Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1018: Using Wendler's 5:3:1 to Ramp Up to Working Weight, the Proper Way to Bulk, the Pros & Cons of Going Barefoot & MORE

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about warming up and working up to working weight, the pros and cons of going barefoot, the surplus/deficit protocol for bulking and the four most famous people they would want on the podcast. Are film ratings more accurate today?? (4:59) Four Sigmatic had Adam at chocolate. His new favorite item from their product line. (7:24) The Rolex of blue-blocking glasses: Felix Gray having a special sale! The important role sleep plays in fat loss. (9:48) Nostalgia at its finest: Yes, there is still one Blockbuster left! (16:34) Is Luminary, the latest "Netflix for podcasts," worth it? (19:18) MMA fighter Joyce Vieira beats up man accused of sexual harassment during beach photoshoot. (32:21) Dr. Integrity is at it again…The dangers of health/fitness professionals promoting the wrong things for clicks and self-promotion. (36:52) Larry Wheels latest extreme strength feat. (41:45) Harvard professor predicts half of U.S. colleges will soon be bankrupt. Will the model change during our lifetime? (46:10) #Quah question #1 – When warming up and working up to your working weight, do you go by percentages or just intuitively? My buddy is doing Wendler’s 5:3:1 and working off straight percentages. Is that ideal for getting the maximum effect at higher weights without burning yourself out on the way up? (50:31) #Quah question #2 – What are the pros and cons of going barefoot? What are your opinions on barefoot shoes for everyday wear? (1:00:03) #Quah question #3 – I hear you guys talk about bulking and recommending doing 3-4 weeks in a caloric surplus, followed by a week or so in a caloric deficit. Could you explain why you recommend this strategy and how to implement it? (1:09:35) #Quah question #4 – What are the four most famous people you guys would want to have on the podcast? (1:16:23) People Mentioned Jordan Harbinger (@jordanharbinger)  Instagram Ben Shapiro (@officialbenshapiro)  Instagram Steven Crowder (@louderwithcrowder)  Instagram Dr. Jacob Wilson (@themusclephd)  Instagram Jim Stoppani, PhD (@jimstoppani)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Larry (@larrywheels)  Instagram Bradley Martyn (@bradleymartyn)  Instagram Bradly Castleberry (@bradcastleberry)  Instagram Jon Call (@jujimufu)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Dr. Ben Pollack (@phdeadlift)  Instagram Dr. Justin Brink (@premiere_spine_sport)  Instagram Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Dwayne Johnson (@therock)  Instagram Will Smith (@willsmith)  Instagram Bill Burr (@wilfredburr)  Instagram David Chappelle (@DaveChappelle) | Twitter Arnold (@Schwarzenegger) · Twitter   Related Links/Products Mentioned Special Promotion: MAPS P.E.D. $60 off until Sunday, April 28th at midnight **Code “PED60” at checkout** April Promotion: MAPS Split ½ off!! Code “SPLIT50” at checkout Mind Pump Live Events Four Sigmatic   Felix Gray Philips Wake-Up Light Alarm Clock with Colored Sunrise Simulation and Sunset Fading Night Light, White (HF3520) There's only one Blockbuster left on the planet - CNN - CNN.com Luminary has launched. Is the latest “Netflix for podcasts” worth it? MMA fighter Joyce Vieira beats up man accused of sexual harassment during beach photoshoot To Carb or Not To Carb? Larry Wheels benching 245LBS x3 EACH HAND! Harvard professor predicts half of U.S. colleges will soon be bankrupt Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen - Book by Christopher McDougall Mind Pump Free Resources

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There it is. I'm going. Adam brought up some podcast news. Seems to be some new networks forming with big injections of cash. Luminary, I believe is the name of the company. I talked about the female MMA fighter, the Brazilian female MMA fighter, who beat up the dude that was being indecent around her. Straight justice. That's what he gets.

We talked about Dr. Integrity and his new ad showing that you should eat gummy bears post workout. Good job buddy. Yeah. Then we talked about Larry Wheels and how he was pressing, flat bench pressing, one, 245 pound barbells, get this, in each hand. Each hand.

Each hand. Is he doing it on the moon? How's this possible? He's silly. And finally, we talk about the Harvard University professor who predicted that in 10 years, about 50% of private universities will go out of business. Why?

Because they're expensive. And then we get into the fitness part of this episode, the first fitness question. Some programs put you on percentages of your max in particular powerlifting programs. So when you do these workouts, they say, lift at 80% of your max or 60% of your max, our programs don't do that though. Our programs tell you to go by feel and to stay within a rep range, which option is superior? Here's a hint, ours is. Then we get to the next question. The next question was, what are the pros and cons

of going barefoot? Now the pros are, could strengthen your feet, your ankles, the cons are, you have to look at Justin's toes, but there's a lot more of that in that part of this episode. Next question, we always talk about bulking and how you should do it for about three to four weeks and then do a short, weak deficit

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I remember her even being and she was smoking back in those days Remember the scene where they finally opened the door and she's got like the half shirt on yeah Yeah, it's like it's cool. It's cool. It was it was always wind wasn't in movies that inappropriate They're they're taking a shower together to talk about having sex. It's yeah I feel like when things were PG in the 80s and 90s. They pressed it. Yeah, I'm sure there was nudity. Well, I think you guys are tripping stuff today

as way worse than what it was. No, the ratings now are more safe. More accurate. Dude, go watch an old PG film and you'll be like, whoa, I can't believe they were doing that. Oh, the, like who the fuck pays attention to a rating anyways? Parents. Do they? Yeah. Yeah, when fuck pays attention to a rating anyways? Parents. Yeah.

Do they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when you want to watch a movie with a kid, I mean, I get in trouble for that a lot because it's a corner. There was PG third too. Oh, I didn't even know.

Yeah. Yeah. What was her name, Doug? What's her? Kelly LeBrock. Kelly LeBrock. Kelly LeBrock. What's she up to now?

Shout out, Kelly. She's, I don't know. Shout out to Kelly. She must be listening. She was on some like one of those realities. Whoa, she took a tour up right there. She doesn't look good anymore. Oh no. Well, that's depressing. Well, you know, it happens is, you know, you get all the women in red also. I remember that one. Wasn't that a song? That's the, you know, it's lady in red. Hmm. Thanks, Jason. Cheeks to cheeks. What? That's what it was. Do you remember

she remembered the woman in red? That's the that's the scene where she walks in the room. I'm about a dress getting blown up. That's in wind. Justin you brought up wind. Yeah. That whole there the movies are based around that he sees her. She walks across. She's like in New York, where I walked across one of those subway. Oh, and then blows up and then dress. She blows up and she's like spinning in circles by it's like blow. She's trying to keep it down and it's blowing up like crazy. You don't remember that? No, but I know the original scene of that was Merlin Merlin Monroe. Mm-hmm. She's the original Subway blowing up the skirt. She went with it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, everybody tried to remake it every time Everybody tried to yeah, I'm sure the OG

Anyway, yeah, dude. What were you raving about yesterday? What was that for sigmatic? They got me now, bro. Did they finally get you something that you like? You actually like. They got me now. Actually, I should back up here. They got me, they had me at chocolate.

You know, the dark chocolate was the Ilnana, but actually, I'm really enjoying the coffee latte one that they just came out with. What's seeing ingredients? Like, how do you make it? I don't fucking know the ingredients. I just, come on, dude. That's the wrong guy.

I just mean, like, how do you put it together? Not like that. That's actually ingredients. This is what I do to sell. I come in, I go, you know, our sponsors send all kinds of stuff over, I go, hey, who sent whatever and he's like, okay, forcing me to say,

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and I've had it with water, and it's across the board good. So I'm impressed. And I like their supplements, they make the best, they have the best mug of... You're a coffee shop, so I might have to try it. It's, okay, do you guys remember I'm pumping iron when they're competing in the Olympia at the end?

Hmm and They're interviewing Arnold about Franco because Franco Colombo I mean, it's just is a terror right and shredding. He's jacked He's a monster for and they're like and they're like Arnold, you know What about Franco like because you were talking about Arnold about his competition? Mm-hmm, and Arnold goes uh, yes Yes, yes, yes, but the day of the competition, he's like a child and I'm like his father.

And he goes, and yes, me for advice is, it's not hard for me to give him the wrong advice. It's not like that. So Adam just takes whatever I give him. So when this, yeah, so he's the child. Yeah, no, not like that, but you know, it's not hard for me to give him the wrong thing. Yeah.

I got you. It's not, but since we're all working towards the same goal, I do not fear that. If we were competitors, I would worry about that. If we were competitors, he wouldn't be like, sounds as if he would have been like, I would trust him. You would vet that information,

exactly, but I know that he knows. If he fucks me up, he fucks us up, so. Why don't you just give me a took an hour ago, I'm starting to feel kind of weird, like 15 sleeping pills, why? What are you talking about? I wouldn't do that. He hands me stuff, I take it, then I ask him after work.

What did I just take? Exactly. Anyway do that. He hands me stuff, I take it, then I ask him afterwards. What did I just take? Exactly. Anyway, dude, I feel like it's great, the Blue Blocker glass company that we work with, glasses company, came out with a, and they don't often come out with sales. They don't at all. So they don't at all. And I've had to explain this to people why they're the only partnership that we have that we don't have a discount

for. And that's just because they're like the Rolex luxury brand. It's like TIPBler. You'll never find, you can't get a Rolex on sale. It doesn't exist. We'll never happen. It's just part, they've decided to brand themselves that way. And they're very, they are very, you know, upscale brand, very nice, clean, good looking brand. Yeah, they've put a lot of money in the research and the quality of their product and that's where they won't flex.

But now they're doing, and I like this, you get 10% off if you get two pairs of glasses. Oh, they're doing a sale? Or yes, or 15% off if you get three. Now here's why I like it, because with the blue blocker glasses, Felix Ray's got two types that you can get. Now besides the different styles, where you can get different styles if you want to wear

black frame or brown frame or different, whatever styles of them, they are different lenses that they sell. And the main ones that they sell are the daytime blue blocking glasses which block less of the blue light than the nighttime ones. Now the reason why that's important is, you wanna block some of the blue light when you work on your computer at work to prevent eye strain and headache and that kind of stuff and to protect your eyes,

but you don't wanna block all the blue light because otherwise your brain starts to perceive that you may be just time to go to sleep and that could kinda make you drowsy. So then they have the nighttime one that blocks more of the blue light and that's helping, that's for helping you sleep. So now that they have the discount,

you can get two, the daytime ones, and the nighttime ones, boom, 10% off. And what's cool is your ritual. Both of them don't change the color of the TV or your computer. No. Which is so cool to me. No, I was, that was the big selling fact for me originally

when we found them, and then when we find out how great they are, that it was like a thing. Otherwise everything's orange. You don't look like you're going to a rave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I tried watching a movie in the orange ones, that it was like a thing. Otherwise, everything's orange. You don't look like you're going to a rave. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I try watching a movie in the orange ones and it was just a pain in the ass. You know what I was watching?

So with my kids, as at night, and this is when we first started messing around with blue light blocking glasses. This is right around when we started reading the research and the science and I was like, oh shit, there might be something to this, especially, well, for a nighttime, especially. So I got myself just your traditional orange ones

as before we worked with Felix Gray. So you put them on on their orange lenses and everything's orange that you see through them. And that's how they block the blue light, right? And my kids wanted to watch one of those like Earth, new Earth or whatever documentaries on Netflix. Yeah, like our planet. Yeah, completely ruined it.

Because part of the reason why you watch those is the vibrant beauty of the... Yeah, that would. Yes, I put it on, I'm like, oh, Earth isn't that cool. Like who's this Mars? This bullshit. Yeah, just because like,

oh my god, look at that snake. And look at that vibrant, so my fuck. I don't know if you're going to trash. I don't know if that's sleep good. Yeah, we taught, we had a question on the last Q&A about sleep. And honestly, if you're somebody who gets great sleep, then maybe investing in something like this, other than if you're somebody who's on a computer all day long,

maybe not as big of a deal. But if you're somebody who struggles getting good sleep or unwinding at the end of the night, like this is somewhere where I see a lot of value in tools like this. Now, I'm going to only going to challenge that, Adam, because I now that I've worked with and coached at least 20 or 30 people online, since I've started to understand the role that sleep plays or fully understand the role that sleep plays in fat loss, muscle building,

and overall health, I have now determined that most people think they have good sleep when in fact they don't. Once you pry deeper and it reminds no different than when we would ask clients, hey, is your nutrition good? Oh, yeah, my diet's good. No, no, I think my diet's good. I eat pretty healthy. I'm pretty healthy. And then but when you start to dig deeper, you start to realize that they have no idea. So when I'll dig deeper, I'll be like, how many times do you wake up in the middle of the night? Oh, you know, a couple times. Boom, big red how many times do you wake up in the middle of the night? Oh, you know, a couple times, boom, big red flag. You shouldn't wake up in the middle of the night. That's probably, do you dream?

Not really, boom, another red flag. You're not entering to the deep stages of sleep. When you wake up, do you feel rested? Oh, no, I feel pretty groggy. There's another one, there's another battle. When you hit the pillow, do you fall asleep? Super hard and crash, yes. Oh, that means you're overtired.

You're probably not getting enough sleep. So there's all these red flags and people don't realize, they think that they sleep good, but they don't, or that they rely on sleep aids. Lots of people are like, Oh, every night I have to take this herb and that herb and I have to do this to get myself to sleep. It's like, okay. And really what it is, is it's an over stimulated central nervous system. And it's a brain that didn't get them, didn't get the memo that it's time to go to bed soon. And it's a brain that didn't get the memo that it's time to go to bed soon. And it takes a while to get that process.

And so set the stage and put together a sleep routine which involves number one, ideally, turning off your lights or down to really dimming your lights in the house and turning off electronics about two hours before sleep or second place, which is not as good, so I'm not gonna lie, it's not as good as doing that, but it's much more feasible to most people.

Put on blue blocker glasses, because if you want to watch TV or you want to be on your cell phone, do that two hours before bed, do it for a couple of weeks. Watch what happened. We have to get an Amazon link, too, to that alarm clock.

You can't do it, I'm just kidding. Everybody's spying on you. God, it's crazy, though. For me, that took out a lot of anxiety. I didn't even realize I had anxiety about waking up, but the anxiety, I used to wake up just abruptly, then my whole day, I'm just kind of frazzled and took me hours to get right again

in my thoughts and order. And just that gradual process of waking up, I can't speak enough to it. This is how you know when I full shit, we have no affiliation with that kind of stuff. But I plugged them like, I know. I know, we should have Jackie put a link in the show notes. And Katrina, I know you're listening right now.

You were supposed to order that for us like a month ago. We haven't got to get on it, though. The link is in the show notes, Katrina. It is a game changer. It's weird. You wake up and you ever wake up in the morning, like on a weekend with no alarm clock, and you just kind of gently wake up.

It's time to wake up. That's how it wakes you up. It's like waking up to a horror movie versus a Disney movie. Yeah. Really like that? Yeah, dude. I'm like, like birds chirping. Oh, yeah.

It's so weird. It's so weird. I'm getting it from my kids too, because when I wake them up, they're in a bad mood half the time. It's probably because I bang on the door. I'm like a drill sergeant. Wake up. You know, boom.

So now I'm going to get them one. They're expensive. That's the only thing. They are expensive. Well, there was two of them. I saw a cheaper version. One of them. More expensive. Don't do the cheap one. Yeah. Okay. I don't fuck around. No, but it just like you wake up

and like, I guess it's time to wake up. What time is it? Yeah. Speaking of movies, dude, you guys know that there still is one blockbuster left in existence in the world. Where? And it was not even Anchorage, Alaska anymore. There was actually one that that closed like a year ago. And there was actually one that closed like a year ago, and there was actually one that was still open in Australia as well, but now the only one left surviving is in Eugene, Oregon, or Bend, Oregon, I'm sorry. Why is it there?

I don't know, they just never closed it, and they've actually made that like a destination. Like people are visiting this place for nostalgia reasons. Oh, that is funny. And they're like still getting new releases in new movies, Disney and stuff. There's some service that provides VHS versions of brand new content and shows out there.

It's gonna become a record store. Yeah, it's totally nostalgia. They have blockbuster brew in there that they're selling beer and so people are making making this cool party. Well, there's still some value to some of these places because like my best friends parents, they only live two hours from here where we're at,

but it's east and north and they have like no internet connection really out there, it's terrible. Like everything's satellite still. So if they still, you know, get like the DVDs mailed to them, they get it from Netflix now, but I could see someone like, like in their town, if there was a blockbuster still there, they would totally. Yeah, well, because remember like that,

we talk about it sometimes, but actually walking in there, and they have like everything on the shelves. It's the experience. It's the experience. They got milk duds, they have all everything on the shelves. It's experience. It's experience. They got milk duds. They have all that stuff still there. You know, like I'll display like it used to.

So it's pretty, it's a trip. You know, they're trying to keep that a thing. Don't forget to push mute on his porn. Yeah, that was my. No, you know, that was the my rap me up story. You know, you know what though? A lot of people, especially kids, that was the my rap me up story. You know what though a lot of people especially kids don't realize the joy In that kind of a date. It was a fun date. You take your girl to the blockbuster and you'd walk around and

That took like an hour you get to walk around pick a movie You know you're up and you're out you drove there and it was it was fun Then you grab a little candy on when you rent the movie. Did you see it on Captain Marvel? You know, where she drops into the blockbuster? Yeah, that was a great way for them to highlight the time that they were in the 90s or whatever. Did you watch that movie?

I did, yeah, I watched the kids. Which one is that one? Captain Marvel. I haven't watched it yet. That's all right. It was all right. I'm telling you, Shazam that one? Captain Marvel. I haven't watched it yet. That's all right. It was all right. Really?

I'm telling you, Shazam, best superhero movie I've seen a long time. Yeah. And it was, because it was hilarious. It was funny. It was really well made. Okay, I'll check that out. Captain Marvel was, you know.

Yeah, that's okay. So I got some podcasting news for you guys. So this company, luminary, they just got funded $100 million. And they are, and this is gonna be interesting for us in our space and any of those that are Listen about this. Yeah, so they are building like their own network They're going they launched literally today. So they're launching today. They have 40 shows Underneath them that are commercial free. It's under a paid wall though, right? Yes eight dollars a month So this is gonna be interesting to see what happens here

Because these companies are are picking up a bunch of podcasts like ourselves that have already a large network of people that are listening And then they're bringing it on bringing it under an umbrella of a network and then saying okay We're gonna pull all the ads off But then it's an eight dollar a month subscription to be a part of it. Interesting. I wonder how much they're paying. Do they own the podcast? Well, I would imagine, let's say if they were to try and acquire us, that what they would have to do

is they would have to say, okay, you guys make X amount of dollars in advertising. So we're going to pay you X amount per year to be a part of our network. But then would they, they wouldn't own us though. You know what I'm saying? Well, you'd be exclusive on their platform. Yeah, that's for whatever you drop is the mean fact.

They don't own these these these shows. You know what I'm saying? They don't own them and produce the exclusivity of it they would. Yeah, right. So we wouldn't be able to take this and go also put it on YouTube. Right, right. But if we laughed, then we could like we could use the brand and be able to put on YouTube.

Oh yeah, that's a yeah, yeah, well yeah, it'll be exclusive to their streaming service. They're going to have to, I mean, if they're getting big podcasts, they're going to have to pay some serious money. They are. They're all big ones. That's what that's the idea is. Really?

So it'll be, I mean, they got 100 million in funding. So obviously, 100 million. 100 million in funding. That is crazy. So they're literally trying to spear like, like, just like, Spotify was trying to be the Netflix of audio, whatever, like, they're trying to be like that for podcasts. I do believe so. So here's what's interesting about that.

Yeah. What it, because what a difficult position to be in, because, you know, how many times you do brands, not brands, but new models come out that then fail. So you're looking at a company like that and part of you is like, okay, they're gonna pay me this much, they got a hundred million funding, but is this model gonna work? Because if I sign with them and they don't work,

that could ultimately hurt me, you know what I'm saying? I could see this. Absolutely. It would never work for us, mainly because I don't think that one, we don't allow a lot of commercial stuff with us, two, we only pick commercials or brands that we already personally fuck with, so it's very easy to tell organic stories of us using it. So I don't think there is, I don't think it's our ads or our commercials for products,

are as annoying to our consumers as they are for a lot of other podcasts. Most other podcasts take whatever whatever minutes of like read whatever brands that they that will pay them. It doesn't the post office. Doesn't matter what it is. They'll they they will take it if they pay well. And then it's a read at the front of the podcast and it's, you know, six, eight, 10, sometimes longer minutes when you start off. And so most people go through that. And I would imagine that there's a good portion of those people that would say, hey, listen, if I had to pay $8 a month to, like, make sure I never had to hear an ad on my favorite

podcast or two, again, I would do that because I feel that way about streaming. So Spotify, Pandora, I pay the extra fee for no commercials. Yeah, because see that right there proves the model, because part of me thinks, why would anybody pay a box a month when they can listen to podcasts for free? But then they've already proven that with the paid for music models.

Because you can listen, I use Pandora for free all the time, but it's got commercials on it. And a lot of people are willing to pay. Absolutely. I do it on both of those. Now, how profitable are these platforms through that? And do you think that eventually they'll be able to have two options, you know, like they do? So they already do.

So they have a free option still. But if you want the premium content and with no commercial. That's interesting. So they're taking a page, which is Pandora and Spotify's model also is you can still use their platform, but if you want the premium stuff, you've got to pay the extra. And part of the premium is eliminating ads in there. You know, I don't know if I would do it with podcasting.

I find it very annoying with music. Music, I get in a flow. I'm in a vibe, I'm in a flow, I have a beat going, I'm either working out or I'm dancing. It's a really dark contract. Yeah, and then it like, and then also you get to a commercial, that's really annoying, which I could see people that have podcasts where they do in the middle of their episode go and let's get a break from our sponsors. Like, right, when it's getting good in the conversation. Yeah, break. So there's there's podcasts in front of our set that segment their show and multiple parts and they throw commercials in there.

We hung out with some friends recently that do six commercials per episode, which I think is a ton. I that we don't like doing two. I mean, and so I can imagine, you know, four or five or six commercials in an episode. It's like, what because then at what point does it become, you know, like how regular TV was just 15, 20 years ago, four or five or six commercials in an episode. It's like, at what point does it become, like how regular TV was just 15, 20 years ago?

I used to hate watching sitcoms that were 30 minutes long with 15 minutes of commercials. You were gonna get like six minute segments of actual TV. Right. They were building content just for six minutes. Well, it got so crazy. They got so good at it

that the whole writing of the show was designed around commercials. Yeah, because if you ever watch an old TV show, commercial free now, you can tell when they break and you're like, why is it cutting, where it's cutting? It's so glad we have more options now. That was horrible.

But what's interesting, so here's the question I have made. I don't know if you know the answer to this atom, but how profitable is has a company? Because Pandora makes money off of the subscription, plus they make money off of the commercials. So they make money both ways, right? The free option, they make money from the commercials. So is this company going to make money off the subscription,

but also make money off the commercial? So if the podcast run with the commercials, they get the money for that. I would imagine so. You think so? And how profitable are the companies that are doing this now, like Spotify, Pandora? So that is an interesting question

that I don't know the answer to. I would assume that more people are more like me, I could be completely wrong though, but are more like me than the other way. Like I think most people, when it comes to music, probably pay for the premium For like Spotify and things like that. You also get a little other there's smart too because it's not just that It's not just no ads. It's like you get the platforms better So like I get like I love to you can also pause rewind skip all that stuff

I also and you get recommendations to other Music that that's in that genre. If you like this, you'll probably like this, this, and this, that's awesome. It also does the lyrics for me. So someone like me who was the kid who when I used to buy CDs, I'd open up the CDs and I would read all the words. So with podcasting, how would that work? Because as of right now, you can download a podcast for free. You can fast forward it, rewind it. You could do all those things. You could skip certain segments of it, so they don't control it quite as much as they did with music. Music was controlled still, right? It was free, but I can't create a playlist necessarily for free, rewind and do that

kind of stuff. And I can only skip so many times with podcasts, it's infinite. So I don't know if the value is as much, you know, I'm saying the only value, I don't know, and maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like the only value is you just don't have to listen to a commercial. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think this is, this is going to be really interesting for us to watch what happens in our space. I don't know, it's very competitive. There's enough people giving free content that is pretty much ad-free anyways. I don't know if enough people will. Then again, when you look at, so I've never been this guy either,

I don't think anybody in here is this person either. The number one podcast are like murder mystery stuff. Yeah. So if those are flood, if those are the number one, you gotta think that those are also flooded with the most ads, right? So those probably have the most commercials. Now, if I'm listening to my favorite

murder mystery story podcast, and I'm getting it broken up every 30 minutes with commercial breaks, I probably would pay an extra eight dollars, especially if I'm that into that podcast that I'm listening on a very regular basis. So, you know. And it is a kind of a generational thing. Like, I come from the generation that got used to breaks.

And so to get me to pay for something to eliminate commercials is a little harder. Cause I'm like, whatever. It's five second commercial on YouTube. I don't care too much. But my kids are very, very used to watching stuff uninterrupted to the point where I can't even imagine, like they get irritated with a YouTube,

you know, 10 second commercial where you could skip it. Like, and I can't even imagine watching TV with them when I was a kid, they would have lost their mind. Three minutes. Yeah, so that's the generation that I think is probably gonna be more apt, right? To paying for stuff like that. Yeah, it'll be cool to watch.

I'm excited. I'll be watching the company closely, so I'll keep updates for everybody on how well they're doing. My prediction is that they did their own homework and figured out they probably surveyed all these people that are listening to these murder podcasts. And if I got a, you know, say there's a three million audience of people that listen to these the top 10 murder podcasts and out of the three million 40% of them said I would pay eight dollars a month to not hear ads.

You know what podcast they have? Yeah, well, I know they have a list of like Russell Brand was talking about it recently. And like, I think that they're getting, you know, some of those guys that remember the whole debacle with Patreon and all that is perfect timing for this because now it's like they have another option for, you know, a paid wall where they're still going to make income, but they don't have because they're not real like Sam Harris is and people like that that are doing podcasts

that are very educational. Now, if you're smart, like what I would do, if our format was different, right? So to me, this whole thing doesn't really apply that much to us because we don't do commercials like that, we don't take advertising that majority of our business model is built off of our program

sales and things like that. But if I was like, let's say, Jordan Harbinger and that was the main source of income was through my advertising and I also segmented my show like he does, I would just offer that to my own audience. I would say, hey, those of you guys that really don't like the commercial breaks and don't like this, I also have, and then I would just have my editor take out, drink it all together. That reduces the, that could potentially segment

or split your audience and reduce the amount of money you make for your, you'd have to, for your commercial. Of course, but then you make up the difference in what you're gonna get. Theoretically, you wonder if you have to cannibalize. Right. Well, so what Ben Shapiro does is Ben Shapiro has his podcast

and then he has specific content that's only available. Yes, Stephen Crowder does the same thing. Yeah, I like that model. That model makes sense to me, like the exclusive content you can get in your own. Personally, I like our model the best. I think it's give everything that you possibly can away free, and then you have like a something all-acart

that people that is ads value that they will buy, or a lot of people buy at a purely out of support. I know for sure that there is a large portion of our listeners that have bought programs just purely out of support because we have helped them with free content, we've given them so much free good content that has fundamentally impacted, changed their lives or somebody they'd love, closer their lives,

that they feel that this is my contribution to that and that model has served us very well. Yeah, sure. And here's what's exciting to me. What's exciting to me is that you have a hundred million dollars from investors who see this as something viable. And it's in a space that four years ago, you know, people weren't even considering necessarily

as a huge segment of media. Oh, it's definitely gonna boost growth in podcasting and get it to people that still maybe, don't really know that much about podcasting. It can make it more mainstream, which is good. Yeah, it's interesting to me. I wonder what it's all gonna look like, but we'll see, we'll see,

the market will wash out what's not working and what's working is just gonna grow. And that's the beauty of the whole thing. No, no, it's going. I mean, there's no doubt the space has been on the rise for some time. I mean, of course, that's why we got into it. It's actually really fascinating to me

how many people I do see hopping on it. And I just got a question today on my Q and A about ways to, other ways to make money if you don't sell programs. And, you know, to be honest, even with our experience in it and the success that we've had, I would never recommend somebody starting a podcast to make money.

I don't think that's a smart strategy. I don't think it's like, oh wow, I know these guys that made a lot of money doing podcasting, so I want to do it too. It's like, I think you have a business plan, a Y, and then podcasting can be something that helps support that vision, but to start podcasting just because you think it's a good place to make money, I don't think that's

a smart strategy. Yeah, and plus I think you gathering the audience and getting the feedback, you'll figure out like what the audience actually wants to and you can construct that. Yeah, absolutely. Dude, did you guys, did I send you guys the article of that MMA fighter from Brazil? No. Okay, so there's a. Oh, you told me about this.

So let me see your name is. Joyce Vieira. Okay. So she was doing some, some photos on the beach and she was wearing like a, you know, kind of like a thong one piece type thing. And some random dude, some fucking creep walks up and starts jerking off. No, he started jerking off. No way. He starts jerking off. Oh my god. So she's like, hey, stop doing that.

And he goes, no, I'm not going to stop. He goes, I know you like it or whatever. So she kicked him and he punched her back. And then he realized very quickly he made a mistake because she beat the chef. No way. You just send that link to right. This is in Brazil. Yeah, I think this is in she's a Brazilian Emma May fighter But it's hello. Oh my gosh. It says is that guy mental or why it says here

This is a quote from her. She says when the guy saw that it was gonna get real. He started screaming And then he started to run away as other people were trying to say, yes. Kishi beat the crap out of how great is that? Justice, right? Justice. We'll do these, you know, a female MMA profiter will beat up most average guys. That's a fact. For sure.

Most average guys are going to see a girl and think, eh, you're going to get your ass kicked. Did I ever tell you the story of in Jiu-Jitsu when one of the female instructors choked the guy to sleep? Did I ever tell you guys about this? I feel like I have for this, I don't know if it's been on the podcast. She was not a big, she was average size girl,

I don't know, 130 pounds, 140 pounds, you know, athletic build or whatever. She wasn't even a black belt, she was a purple belt, which, you know, purple belt you have, you know, typically anywhere between, you know, three to or whatever. She wasn't even a black belt. She was a purple belt, which, you know, purple belt, you have, you know, typically anywhere between, you know, three to five or six years experience. So you're, you're pretty damn good and you can teach classes.

And this guy comes in to take the class and every once in a while, he's to get this in Jiu Jitsu where you get the dude that comes in and he wants to do the full sparring and just go out of the gates and go super hard and doesn't realize, like he's gonna hurt himself, you know, because when you go really, really hard,

if you go really hard against me, and you don't know what you're doing, but you're trying, you're using all your strength, and I put a submission on you, that means my submissions are gonna come on faster, and I have to put them on a little quicker and a little tighter, because you're harder. And the odds that you're gonna get hurt are much higher I have to put them on a little quicker and a little tighter. I get a grip harder.

Yeah, and in the odds that you're gonna get hurt or much higher, especially when you don't know what you're doing because you move in the wrong way. He's thrashing into it. And every once in a while, that would happen. Some dude would come in and his ego would get checked. And not because anybody's malicious, but just because he's just thrashing,

doesn't know what's going on and he get hurt. So anyway, this dude comes in. And he's like a normal size dude, I don't know, 180 pound man. And he comes in and signs up for the first class, and the way Jiu Jitsu class starts is we do our practice, excuse me, we do our exercises first. So it's like warm up drills, Jiu Jitsu drills on the ground, you're doing what it's called shrimping on the ground,

you're doing your rolls, all this stuff. Then the instructor, which this day was a female, teaches us a technique, and then you take your partner, and you drill this technique over and over. And then the last hour of Jiu-Jitsu is full contact sparring. You go against each other and you go, you know, try to get the other person to tap out and then you, once they tap out, you start over and that's it. So at the very end, this guy goes, he goes, oh yeah, I want to sparse. Like, well, it's your first class, maybe you should, and he's, no, no, I'm ready. She goes, look, this is your first time.

Why don't you go against me for your first class and sound the instructor? And to face he made, you could tell. He was just like, all right, girl, I'll go against you. Like, whatever. And we were all like, I was looking at this guy and I was like, I hope he doesn't think he's, hope he doesn't get cocky, because she's gonna hurt him.

And so, sure enough, they're going against each other and she's playing on her back because she's being kind of. And so sure enough, they're going against each other and she's playing on her back because she's being kind of, you know, trying to go easy with him and she catches him in something and he picks her up and runs off the mat trying not to get submitted. And that's like a big no-no. That's a big like don't do that. So he does that once, she tells him don't pick me up and bring me, yeah, I know you can pick me up. Believe me if I wanted to, I could do a different submission in whatever, and he rolls his eyes at her, like, yeah, right, I had you or whatever, I could have slammed you.

So she's like, okay, she puts them in a triangle choke, he tries to pick her up again, this time she hooks his legs so he can't, and he goes a bit, goes asleep. And nightlife, and she lets go, snoring on the ground and he waits up, it's like, bro, he never came back, his ego did not like that. Yeah, and she let's go snoring on the ground He never came back his ego did not like that. I'll buy right there Did you see your your boy your doctor integrity and his ad with gummy bears? What is he? I love that guy

He's a he's a relic. He's an old relic nobody gives a shit. He's not even talking about that He's in a level. I still see everyone. So I Nobody gives a shit. He was going to even talking about that. He's irrelevant. I still see everyone. So I'll see somebody rocking a gyms to Pony or a gym army. Gym army. What a gym army. I see some shreds shirts out there. What a stupid post.

Yeah, I've seen one the other day. Such a stupid. It was an ad. It was an advertisement for, and I don't know what he was selling one of his stupid products and he's talking about how gummy bears and pixie sticks. These are great post work out. And he's explaining it scientifically,

dextrose, and fucking glucose. And you need to post, why are you promoting fucking candy? Post work out, you're in the fitness space, you shit. Like, help, fine. But why don't you tell me, eat honey or something? Eat something that's a little bit not so processed and a little healthier.

He's kind of sending the wrong message, don't you think? It's, it's made, oh wow, look at, he's even got the gummy bears on his website now. Oh, I wonder if he's getting sponsored by Wanka. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. This one, Pixie sticks. Oh man.

What, what it is and it's, it's, it's, it's so old. It's tempting for trainers to do this because it's what people want to hear. Of course. I mean, you're a young kid, you know, I'm 17 to 23 like, and this doctor is telling me that it's good for me to take gummy bears after my workout. Fucking green light to, for my candy addiction.

This is awesome. Awesome. I subscribe to this. I'm all about it. Like, I mean, that's what it is. It's like everybody's like, wow, this is cool. I can, it's actually good for me to have my gummy bears. Oh, God, get out of here with this stuff. Yeah, and it's just, well, it's the good for me to have my gummy bears. God, get outta here with this stuff.

Yeah, and it's just, well, the fitness space makes me laugh because you have a lot of these guys and girls and really 100% of their motivation is about aesthetic. 100% and they push that and it's all about just, does gummy bears are good because they replenish glycogen and they taste good, who cares? Who cares? Who's going on the inside of your body. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be really out side looks and they're promoting this message which is you're already dealing with a lot of people

who have body image issues that are coming to look for advice right on this kind of stuff people have you know where they restrict and binge and then you're telling them yeah gummy bears and here's the science supporting and yes we can use the science to support why eating a gummy bear post workout, replenishes glycogen and all that shit. But is it any better than a whole natural food? No, then why promote the gummy bear? Oh, I know why, it gets you clicks and views.

Well, we got Lane doing the same thing right now with his 50 grams of, is it what he's doing? 50 grams of sugar. Yeah, he's trying to prove his point and they're doubling down on their cupcakes and pizza. And it fits my macro stuff. It's so funny because I know, I remember when they did this back with his co-host, Sohee, when she decided to get ready for a show.

And her goal was to eat, I believe, a Snickers bar every single day leading up to her show and show that she can get in competitive shape. And the one thing that I did appreciate that she shared on the show, which I believe Lane would say the same thing too, but to me, that's even more reason why I should do this, is he would tell you that when you do that and you're in a colorech restrictor diet and you're also trying to hit your macros, you just made it really, really difficult by taking X amount of grams of that dedicated towards candy. I mean, it's already hard. That's where your nutrients are.

It's already hard for 90 plus percent of the population to hit macro targets for their body. What's your body needs nutritionally on a daily basis for whatever goal it may be, whether that be to reduce body fat or to build muscle. Hitting macro nutrient targets consistently is extremely difficult. And then if you decide that you're going to insert candy on a regular basis,

you're just making it that much harder. So it's the message overall, I just not a fan of it. Can you do it? Yeah, you can do a lot of things the wrong way or not ideal. Here's the problem. Is there a big problem with eating candy? Not really. The problem I have is in the context of placing it

in something that is sold as healthy or sold as fitness. That's when I have a problem. So look, every once in a while I eat candy too. Sometimes I drink alcohol. Obviously sometimes I will smoke a joint. And I'll do things that are not healthy either, but they're not in the, I'm not selling them as something that is healthy and fit.

I'm being honest and saying, well yeah, I'm having a drink, but I'm not sitting here going alcohol, does this to my body? And if I take it at this time, then I'll maximize it, whatever could I do that? I bet I could in fact, I bet I could sell the fuck out of alcohol in a way to make it sound like it's gonna I'm switching to red wine completely for the risk-varytrol. Exactly. Exactly. 100%. Anyway, but I don't think lanes in the same category is Dr. Integrity lanes lanes

Lane does have integrity doctor integrity. That's our nickname for them. That's the opposite. Yeah, no, I agree Do you guys see Larry Wheels in sane strength feet? What he did? What now, dude? Did he check this out? He's gonna explode. Is he gonna blow up? Yeah.

How strong can he get? I think he's going to, and I'm having a bit. I would never wish that upon anybody. But there's a part of me that's a little scared for him. Yeah. Because how young and strong he is. And he's hanging out with all the strong men, you know, the competitors that are like twice as size,

but he's still lifting with them. Yeah, so what did he do now? He did one where he did, he was doing chest press, flat bench chest press, with a barbell in a chant. Oh, I did see that. Not a dumbbell. Not a dumbbell, a barbell in a chant. So how hard could you imagine how hard it would be

to balance a fucking barbell? Like 225 on each 245 245 holy shit 245 pound barbells any chance doing chest press. Yeah, that is insane to me I couldn't imagine try pressing just a 45 pound barbell any chance Yeah, just the balance alone and with the wrist and everything that's got to be so crazy Yeah, I don't know. he also did a 500 pound shoulder press I quit That's where I start seeing that stuff. I'm like yeah, I was gonna post that there's a video right then I don't post it

Yeah, did he just post this yeah, well, I just saw post this one day. I he got this from a Bradley Martin Bradley Martin did this the other day. 1.35 probably. It was, yeah, it was definitely not as much as he, it wasn't no 245, but it was good weight. I know Bradley did some weight. Here's the shoulder press. Look at this shit I know I couldn't do. Seated shoulder press, 500 pounds.

Oh my God. Yeah, it's just an, just the sky is insanely strong. And he's done a really good job of, look at this. Damn, it's good depth to you. All the way to the chest. Yeah, he's good depth. All the way to the chest. Yeah, he touched the chest. All the way to the chest. Wow.

That is, that doesn't make any sense at all, does it? No. He's really done a good job though of branding himself. You know, what is he competing? He's a powerlifter, right? Does he compete in powerlifting? I don't know. I don't know if he actually even competes, does he?

Yeah, I don't even know about that. He's just a top crazy beast. He's profiled showing me if he actually, I think that is the top of his profile. No, I don't know the top. Oh, there we go. You're right there. Yeah, I don't think so.

I didn't say there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But he's done a good job of just promoting himself through these different types of things. So, he's like the legit version of what Brad Castleberry is trying to be, right? Yeah, I would love to see a Competition between him and in Castleberry. Yeah, oh everybody's been calling that guy out forever

He's not gonna do anything. He's not as a you know, it's funny Is he still impressive, but he just yeah, you threw that shit on there for extra I that's why too like I don't I see every it's like the new thing for everyone to rag on him I'm like leave the fucking guys fucking stronger than most you fuckers talk and shit to him. I'm like, you guys are giving shit because he put fake plates on there. It's like all the things he's done that he's done on his videos. I haven't seen his page in a long time, but of all the things that I've seen him do, the most impressive thing by far.

Sprinting. No, that's the second, second. Yeah. The sprinting was the second most impressive thing, because you can tell when someone can move. Yeah. And that fucker can move. Yeah, the sprinting was the second most impressive thing because you can tell when someone can move. Yeah, and that fucker can move. Yeah, he can move. But the most impressive thing I saw him do, skateboard, fucking kickflip.

Yeah, yeah. He's a big jacked like he's athletic. He's athletic. And he's doing a good ass kickflip. I was like, Holy shit, that's pretty damn good. Yeah, at the end of the day, he's an impressive little turd himself. You know what I'm saying?

All these guys are like ragging him because he did the fit. I mean, I guess he made his bed, now you get a line. And you know, that's the thing, just you get for lying. And he's always dudes like Larry Wheels out there and fucking throwing away. It's like, why would you do that?

I don't understand why you would, why would you lie about something when you're already like, you're already about us. Yeah, you're already about us. And then like 95% of people will never be able to do what you're doing. And then you, I guess maybe it's the...

You just get addicted to the Instagram and all that. I'm trying to like outdo everybody else around you. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's one of those things. He's got swept into it. So that's kind of my fear when I look at Larry Willes. I mean, because that's everybody knows him for that, right? What next crazy feet? Oh, straight.

And, well, I mean, Juju Mufu actually surprises me all the time with how creative he gets, you know, like, I'm just like, what else crazy you're gonna do? I feel like Juju's got more staying power though, because, if you're known for how strong you are, there's a shelf life, you know, at some point, you're gonna either hurt yourself or you just get older. He's got more versatility in terms of like,

like, acrobatics and all these other things he presents. Exactly. Oh, one last thing. So a Harvard professors making some waves right now because he did this whole talk and wrote this paper on disruptive segments of the market. And he predicted that in the next 10 years he thinks half of private universities are going to go out of business. Oh, wow. Yeah, because a lot of them are not making money. A lot of them are trying to figure out how to make money. And the reason being is because of all the disruptive technologies and online education, and you compound that with the fact that universities are so insanely expensive to go to nowadays. It's such a bloated cost that people not realizing the return

and you're starting to see the growth of trade schools and stuff like that. So he's like, half, he thinks half will go at the end. Can you send that to me because I was actually just having this argument with my best friends who's a vice principal. I want to say yes. Yeah, that's interesting. I've heard that too about trade schools

and how that's a new direction. Because, I mean, how many more programmers can we possibly produce? There needs to be people that actually know a skill and a trade still. I just think it's a matter of time before the education process completely flips on its head. That was the argument I was having with my best friend in high's in you know high school right so or used to vice principal at high school and I might do the the model is going to change in our lifetime 100% yeah kids it's getting so close as far as once the the and I really think like the the the TED talk version is kind of the future of it like a

imagine if the curriculum that you would go through right now at whatever said university is for, let's say, business. And the things that you learn in the first semester, the second semester, the third, and you just had a series of TED talks that covered each one of those topics in the same chronological order, I would argue that the kid who actually did that would rival the kid who sat in the classroom and got lectured by his teacher. Well, and I don't know exactly what it's gonna look like, but I can tell you that when you go to a university and you're spending $300 on a book, okay,

and that's 100% a racket because where else does a book cost $300? No, especially when I can download a book for free on my phone or on my computer, where I go take a class and it costs me, or I'm doing a course and it takes me, it costs me $100,000 to get a degree or more. And then I know that the job I'm gonna get afterwards isn't gonna pay that back for 15, 20 years or maybe never because I went and got a degree without lots of return.

You look at the market like that and you look at the cost versus the potential benefit, it just doesn't make any sense. And it's gotten too crazy. The cost of higher education has far outpaced inflation. It's exploded. And part of the reason why it's exploded is because there's a lot of easy money. And these colleges are sucking it up. So it's easy to get loans and stuff for school and then you got politicians promising that you don't have to pay them back

and I'll kind of say this shit. It's like it's gonna pop, that bubble's gonna pop. And again, the alternative is free. I can literally go online and take most of these courses for free, but it's not as, maybe it's not as, you know, all we're going to need. Together as well, but it will be. All we're going to need is a couple more like massive success stories of the, you know,

the Jeff Bezos or the Bill Gates type of minds are people that end up blowing up and having huge success in business that lay the blueprints down of like, this is what I did after high school. I went and started on these series of at-home videos that I watched or whatever it's going to be, how it's going to look. That share that success story and we see enough of that. I think happening, I think that's what when everybody will start to really make the shift. It's inevitable though, it's coming. Quik-quaw! I'm going to have my everything. Max-quaw! Today's clause brought to you by Max and Obolic.

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Que coi! First question is from Mike Atom 7. When warming up and working up to your working weight, do you go by percentages or just intuitively? My buddy is doing Wendlers 531 and working off straight percentages. Is that ideal for getting the maximum effect at higher weights without burning yourself out on the way up? Yeah, there's a little bit of a debate.

I don't know if it would be a debate, but I get this question quite a bit where, especially in powerlifting programs, which if you're gonna, of all the fitness programs that are out there, those are the best ones typically. Usually because they actually have some science and some programming.

And so when we first entered into the space and we looked at all the programs, like if you look at Olympic lifting and power lifting programs, there's definitely rhyme and reason put in there. And they go by percentages where one workout is 50% of your max effort or whatever, another day is 80% or whatever. Now here's why we don't go by that.

And here's why I never did. That works really, really well for, or it can work really well for the advanced athlete, but for most people, going off percentages doesn't work because there's so many factors that can impact how heavy or light a particular weight feels. Yeah.

And so I know when I'd work with everyday people, and I'd say today is 70%, that 70% today may be a 90% to them, because they didn't get good sleep, because their stress was higher, because they didn't have good nutrition. So I like to go off of feel. I like to tell people to aim for a particular rep range,

and then go by feel within that rep range, meaning add or take weight off based on how heavy that weight is feeling. Do you know why powerlifting programs are so much better than the average programs in the fitness space? I think it's science over from, like in Russia and when they really put a lot of effort and money

behind testing, you know, how to gradually increase, you know, load, and how to do all these things properly. Like they had real scientists, you know, study through. We haven't really had that kind of emphasis. But the results are objective. Well, yes. Yes, objective. So that's my theory.

My theory is because you can actually build an incredibly aesthetic physique with a subpar program. And in fact, not very good program. We all have muscles. And if you diet correctly and you lose body fat, it will reveal all those muscles, which in turn will make you look aesthetically pleasing. But it doesn't mean that you had a great program just because of that. You could have just been in a caloric deficit for six months and got rid of all the body fat around

you. Maybe if you're lucky, you built a pound of muscle or two. But with strength programs, where IE powerlifting program where you have to get ready for a meet and you started somewhere. So you can't fake it. You can't. I started deadlifting and squatting and bench press and overhead press. These were my numbers. But they're not considering aesthetics at all.

Not at all. It's all about performance. And there is something that you can measure like that. And you can say, okay, before I started the program, my bench press was this, my squat was this, and then you go through the program. And at the end of that program, if those numbers didn't all increase,

then it was probably a shit program. So there's no room for cheating these programs. Like you couldn't write a good powerlifting program, and it'd be shitty, or else people would find out about it really quick. And so therefore a lot of the science supports it. Now, what we see in our space, and a lot of the competitors that put out

programming for people to look better, there's lots of room for garbage. Because if someone diets really well, they'll get lean. They can get shredded. Yeah. You know, so that's the reason why we see these people with us. Now, when I talked to good friends like Jordan Shallow and the Ben Pollocks who are in that community, even if, and I don't know, because I've actually never read their programs, and I would assume that they probably do recommend percentages, but I've talked to them about how they approach themself.

They do that for the program, so people have a guideline or a direction they should have in. But they go by feel. But they go by feel. Almost anybody and everybody that I know that's been lifting for a long time does not go, bust their calculator out and go like, oh, this is 60% of my max. They're not.

Exactly. I'm supposed to do eight reps with this because it's this percentage and then they go lift it and they're like, I can only do six, but it's what I'm supposed to do. But you guys know as well as I do when you're riding these programs, you have to consider like beginner people that are like, you know, haven't really spent a lot of time behind, you know, the iron. And so to be able to communicate it, you have to get like to a level where it's very specific. Yeah.

And so like the percentages, I think work is sort of a guideline. But again, like even though you have to go through the practicing of it to really find that feel, even to begin with. We're trying to teach people to learn their bodies. And one of the number one things to teach somebody is to listen to their body. And sometimes, many times, percentages of numbers teach you to not listen to your body. Because you get someone who's got this piece of paper and says, I have to work out at these percentages of my max, today's my day to do that.

They'll go in there and they'll ignore the fact that they don't feel good, that they don't feel strong. That's what the program says, I gotta do it. Versus what we say, which is, okay, today's workout, we want you to be within the eight to 12 rep range, for example, stop about a rep or so before you fail. If you go above and you eight to 12 rep range, for example, stop about a rep or so before you fail. If you go above and you outside of that rep range, add some weight. If you're below that rep range, then you need to take some weight off.

Just stay within there and go by feel. And that allows you to train your body based on where your body is at. And that is a skill and a behavior that you want to teach. You want to learn one of the best things I could ever teach a client, day one is that, go by how you feel. Because again, we've seen this often timed, right? People show up and they just hammer themselves even though they probably shouldn't.

So teaching your client to kind of listen to their body, it's a great way to gauge the intensity, the frequency, the reps, all that stuff. And so that's why our programs are that way. But you're right Adam, aesthetics is purely subjective. Body building is purely subjective. You're judged by your appearance. And the problem with it being so subjective is,

they don't know what they could have looked like. Right, you know what I'm saying? In other words, if they follow a shitty program, and but they get lean because they die it diet properly and they look in the mirror like wow That program really worked. I look good. They don't have anything to compare it to because they don't know what they could have looked like With good workout programming like maps, right? If we were able to do that if it were possible Maybe we had some advanced AI machine that said plug in these two programs and see what your potential would look like Then they'd see what they were meant. They were predictive, yeah.

They would see what they're missing out on. Like, oh shit, that's what good program we can do for my aesthetics. With strength sports, it's purely objective. You either got stronger or you didn't. And this program made you more strong than the other program. Therefore, this program is more effective.

And that's why those programs seem to be much more well written. But definitely, I mean, will we ever use percentages in the future in our program, perhaps if applicable, but for the most part, I always tell people go by feel. I could see us using that if we were to write a powerlifting program. If it's applicable, right? Right. It makes sense. That makes sense to, but even then, I think that we would still write in the blueprints of that is also the field. Right. This is what you should be gauging or going for today, but if feeling not that strong today,

reduce, listen to your, no matter what, we're always going to default back to that because, and this is the major Achilles heel to our good buddy's program that he wrote. He's invested a lot of money and a lot of time in building this app. That's all AI and it's supposed to, you know, you're supposed to be able to enter your weights in and then the next day you go to your workout and automatically spits out exactly what you're supposed to live

for you and does all these calculations. We have the formulas, we have the calculations like this guy's asking about. The problem that we saw when we first looked at this five year, four years ago, whatever it was when we first looked at this five year, four years ago, whatever it was when we first looked at it, was man, like what we know from training so many people is that there's so many variables that could flush away.

People don't show up the same every day. Yeah. And look, it's not just to give you an example, there's studies that show the kind of music you listen to while you're working out, will make you stronger or perceive the way to better. To the information in the news, you just got from your girlfriend right before you walked in.

The night before you slept, the food you ate two hours ago, I mean, there's so many things. As close as they're gonna get, even with HRV and like, as advances we've got with ways to kind of try to quantify, like the overall feeling, you know, your body is in the feedback

that your body is giving you, even then that like the you are going to know best, like intuitively how you're feeling. If you're paying attention to your body's signals, the best coach you'll ever find in the world, the best coach you can possibly get better than any world renowned coach in the world is your own body. You just have to learn how to read it and listen to it. And when it comes to how much weight you should lift for the rep ranges, that's an easier signal to learn to read. There's other signals that are much more difficult to learn, they take time.

This one's a little bit easier. You might have to take a couple reps to a couple sets to failure, but then you know, okay cool, I can stop a rep. Find your threshold. That's it. Next question is from DSA Ink 213. What are the pros and cons of going barefoot?

What are your opinions on barefoot shoes for everyday wear? Well, if you don't wanna get laid where the shoes everyday. It's great, I like them, great patrol. Yeah, I remember when this, this fat or whatever you wanna call it, went in gang busters.

I was, this back when I had my personal training studio, right when I first got it. And I'd have clients who were runners. And there was this, I think it was a documentary that was on a, Is it born to run that book that came out? Or maybe a book. I read that book.

Yeah, and they were talking about, there was a guy who went and observed these Cultures that were just exceptional runners and what he saw in these cultures was that from from the day they could walk They didn't wear shoes and everything they did was barefoot and they ran barefoot and what he did was he He studied the way that the foot would strike the ground the mechanics of running and what he came up with was what he was accurate. It's true that when you learn to run barefoot and when you can run well running barefoot, your biomechanics are superior. First off, when you run with big, thick, sold, squishy running shoes, that encourages you to strike heel first when you run.

So you're running heel first, And that eliminates the amazing shock absorbing effects of not just the ankle, but also of the foot and all the muscles of the foot. There's tons of muscles on the foot. When he was looking at these other cultures where people were running barefoot and they were running well into their 70s and 80s without any back or knee problems,

he could, he saw that they would strike four foot first. And that's because of those shock absorbing effects. So then it's caused and created this huge, like just this huge fad of minimalist shoes, everybody needs a run barefoot. Here's the problem with that. It was like zero to a hundred. Oh, you know, like, and that was the biggest thing.

You start people starting to get injured, you know, having ankle problems, you know, I, and that was the biggest thing. You start people starting to get injured, you know, having ankle problems, you know, having knee problems. And it's because there was no gradual, you know, scaling of that. It was just, I went from having these huge moon shoes to now I have like nothing. And I just have, you know, flat and then my toes

without any training and, you know, prepped from that. No, well, here's the thing. These cultures that these people witness, and if you look at hunter-gatherer societies, they'd never wore shoes. So talking about the day they could walk up until they die, everything they did, they're running, they're walking, was down barefoot.

They've not only developed recruitment patterns that are appropriate for being barefoot, but the muscles of the feet, and the toes, and the ankles, and the way they balance, all these things have developed over years and years. Now, you or I, or anybody else listening right now, who grew up in modern Western societies, the second we could walk, we were probably put in shoes.

So our feet and our bodies molded around the shoes. If you think you could go from, and you're a 35 year old man or woman, or even a 20 year old man or woman, and you're like, cool, I think I'm gonna go barefoot because it's better for me. And you go barefoot, you're gonna hurt yourself because you are totally deconditioned to do so.

It takes a long time to get to the point that you do that I remember I had a client who She you know read about this or whatever she always wore high heels all the time and heels You know can be bad for your back and a lot stuff and so she started just going barefoot at home all the time and she ended up getting What's it called in the body? Fatsy I this and issues in her ankles and she's like what's going on? I told him like okay, you got really good at walking in heels and you just took them off

and went without them for a long time. That can cause some big problems. You got to start slow, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean, I trained barefoot yesterday. So I think it's great for people. I think it was something that I was lacking. One of the things that Dr. Brink did for me when we met, Jesus, it's been almost four or five years now, right?

When we first met and he had me take off my shoes and then walk in a straight line form and then perform a squat, he really broke me down and started with my feet and said, you have weak ass feet. Your feet are completely weak. When you drop down into a squat, your feet are pronating,

and then that's causing problems all the way at the kinetic chain. And I had never been spoken to about my feet. I mean, I've had many of other trainers and peers of mine look at my squat and we break down my squat. How my squat could be better. And I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I've never had somebody tell me to take my shoes off

and then break me down from the feet all the way up. And it was incredibly eye opening for me. Completely changed how I looked at my squat, completely changed the breakdown that I had and my focus became, okay, let's see here. I got to really strengthen my feet, my ankles, and then work my way all the way up. You took your time, didn't you?

Oh yeah, no, it was two years of this. And those that have been listening to the podcast for a long time know because there was a while there when I was on a kick where I was, you know, I'd take the dogs for a walk barefoot almost every day. I would make sure as soon as I got home, I'd start taking my shoes off earlier than what I would make sure as soon as I got home I'd start taking my shoes off earlier than what I would before and you know Then I started you know implementing barefoot workouts occasionally But you got it like sourcing you got to be careful if you're somebody who's been so like if you have a really shitty squat with

Squat shoes or even regular shoes on and you can't even you can't do astergrass and then you all sudden decide you're gonna go barefoot You're gonna be in a world of trouble. you all sudden decide you're gonna go barefoot. You're gonna be in a world of trouble. You're gonna see you're gonna break down. Like I couldn't go into barefoot deep squatting right out the gates. Like I had to first address all my mobility issues. Otherwise, I would just break down even more

because I still had weak feet. I still had all these other imbalances in my hips and my shoulders. So allbalances in my hips, in my shoulders, and so all that stuff at my ankles, all that stuff had to be addressed first before I got to a point where I really strengthened it. So I think it's wise of you to take the shoes off and to get out there and walk on grass and dirt as much as you can to start and to get re-acclimated

to being barefoot more often. And then eventually try and incorporate some of yourated to being barefoot more often and then eventually try and incorporate some of your workouts with being barefoot or barefoot shoes. I see value in that. But again, it's a process that's not a, I went from being somebody who was wearing shoes all the time to all of a sudden now I'm on bottom of the barefoot shoes. And here's the other thing to understand and consider, if you're an adult. If you're an adult and you do all these foot exercises and all these ankle exercises, you will improve dramatically, but you'll probably never get to the point

where your potential was had you started walking barefoot and doing all these things as a child. And this is the truth. Like, Adam, could you all the foot exercises you want for the rest of the life? This life developmental window. He, yeah, he, he missed that window of being a child, you know, walking barefoot and whatnot. Our feet have permanently,

are permanently deformed and different. And if you don't believe me, go online and you can Google, you know, Hunter Gatherer feet versus Modern Feet. And you can see that our feet clearly have been molded and shaped to our shoes. And the reason why I'm saying this is just to respect it, like to respect that there's a big difference

and because I've seen a lot of people hurt themselves because they're like, oh cool, I'm gonna wear the barefoot shoes and I'm doing everything now. And then they come to me and they're like, I hurt myself, my ankle's hurt, I hurt my knee, I hurt my hip. So you gotta be respected and take your time

and go real real slow. Dude, I remember, I mean, I used to wear running shoes all the time, or even like basketball-type shoes where I had this like big lift in my heel and just to go from that to chucks, like more flat, like sole-type shoes that had a little bit of flex was a dramatic step. And that took me a long time to get used to that and

like work through sort of the little aches and naggy like pain and tightness as a result. But then going from that and then you know graduating to like more barefoot movements and all this type of stuff, I mean it's been game changer. Well that's what you had that was to my point too right you had to be careful if you have poor ankle mobility and you go squat barefoot, it's gonna make your squat worse. So that was like super important that before I squatted barefoot,

I had to first work on the ankle mobility. Otherwise, it just makes the squat even worse. So if you have, because when you're in a heel rise like that, it allows more travel for your knee, which allows you to get into a deeper squat because you're in an elevated heel. You go all the way to flat and then you try and do that deep squat barefoot and you're going to break down even more.

So you have to, if you don't have the ankle mobility to compensate harder. Yes, exactly. So if you don't have the ankle mobility to go astagrass and shoes, you're definitely not going to have it when you're barefoot. So address the mobility issues in your ankle simultaneously, be working on strengthening your feet before you decide to start doing these workouts barefoot, especially when you're talking about squat. And it's funny, too, the wisdom of some of the old-time bodybuilders is present when you

learn all this stuff. Arnold used to love working out barefoot. In fact, that's what he was kind of known for, which is interesting, right? That is interesting. Just by feel, he would, and he talked about it when I would read his encyclopedia bodybuilding, talked about how he enjoyed working out barefoot, especially when he worked out his legs.

Next question from I'm Pityful. Wow. I hear you guys talk about bulking and recommending doing three to four weeks in a caloric surplus followed by a week or so in a caloric deficit. Could you explain why you recommend this strategy and how to implement it? There's two reasons why we recommend this.

The first reason is, and I'll speak just for myself, and I'll see if you guys echo this, from my experience, training people, behaviorally speaking, it's superior because it more mimics real life. Real life when you're eating normally, sometimes you're going to have more calories, sometimes you can have less calories. When I had clients go deficit or surplus just all the time, certain things would happen. If they were always in a deficit, I started noticing fat loss would stall. I noticed that they started to really hate being

in a deficit so often. They'd start to get really, really hungry all the time. It was just a difficult space to be in. With the surplus, I noticed people stopped gaining muscle, started gaining more body fat towards the end. They would start to get sick of food and it was difficult for them to always eat in a surplus. So what I would do with clients is I would break it up and I'd say, okay, you've been in a surplus for three weeks. Let's throw you in a week of a slight deficit or maintenance. They would lose a pound or two, no big deal.

Then they go back to their surplus and their appetites back up, they're eating the food again and then muscle starts to come back on, and it's less body fat. And the same thing for the cut, when people would be on a cut after three or four weeks, that put them on a few days of a surplus, they'd get the energy, they'd get the strength, they'd feel good, they'd go back to eating in a deficit, and we'd start to see fat loss again.

Now, the science now is starting to support this. They've done studies where they've compared groups of people where they have one group who goes in a deficit and then has a break, if you will, and goes back on a deficit versus some of that stays on, or people that stay purely on a deficit. And they lose more body fat that way. I would surmise that the same is true for people trying to gain muscle. I don't know of any studies that show that, but I would bet that it would show the same

thing, that bulking and then going on a week where it's a little lower and then bulking again, your body just assimilates the calories a little bit better, almost resensitizes the body, if you will, for lack of a better term to the proteins and the fats and carbohydrates that you're consuming when you're in a surplus. Yeah, I don't have the sciences support that either. That's just a theory that I've always had when I've been training

not only myself, but clients, especially those that are competing. And that was kind of like, that's been the consensus for everybody. It's like, man, when I take you on a, you know, say a six month all bulking, you know, what ends up happening at the end of that bulk is we put on an excessive amount of body fat. It's, you know, yeah, we build some muscle along the way. We get really strong. All these other, these things that are great. But then at the end of it, we also ended up putting a lot of body fat on along the way. And when I've breaking this up into shorter cycles of three to six weeks of bulk with these many cuts in between, and sometimes it's not a couple of weeks, but sometimes just a week or even less than a week, three or four days, just inserting those three or four

low calorie days. It just seems that what it does, and I don't know why this would be any different since where our bodies are adaptation machines, they get adapted to anything else that we throw at it, why wouldn't it get adapted to something that we do to it on a regular nutritionally, especially if it's like we're force feeding the body all the time, why wouldn't it adapt

and actually start to assimilate less of it or slow down that process? And one of the best things that I've found to shake that up is also go, oh, I've been feeding, over feeding, over feeding, over feeding, over feeding, also, and let's completely underfeed for a couple days and see what happens. Oh, shit, that kind of like wakes the body up. Then I go back to feeding again. And now when I go back to feeding, I feel this great surge of strength. It seems that all those calories now are going or being partitioned over to Billy Muscle and not a lot of it's getting stored as body fat. And it just has seemed to work really well.

And it took me a very long time to figure that out. I did it the old school way for a very long time for most of my, you know, training career. It was, you know, bulking seasons and it was cutting seasons. It was months of focused on one or the other. And it's not that you can't have success doing that. You absolutely can. I've just found it far more strategic and also to the psychological piece that we talk a lot on this show.

It kind of breaks up the monotony of constantly being focused on one thing, surplus, surplus, surplus, surplus, surplus. And it's like, oh, cool, a couple days of low calorie. Oh, and now I kicked my appetite back up. Now I want more calories. And I go back. It's just seem to work just talking. I had the same conversation trying to like explain our mini cuts and mini book theory to this father of he was trying to get his, you know, his kid who's in, in football, like bulked up and like good, solid, you know, lean muscle and building that process. And he said he'd already gone through this massively.

Like six month bulk period where, um, and then they went there, starting through this cutting phase. And it's like the hustle, it's taking to, to, to shed all of that and, and reduce back down. It's almost like it's brought him back to the amount that he was at, the weight that he was at in like very little amount of muscle that he actually built overall, which was frustrating.

Well, this is what I found many times and I would find this with a lot of my peers in the competitive bodybuilding world. You know, I used to kind of jab at some of these guys that show after show, I would see themself, they would bring the same physique every time. Because anything that they did in the bulk, you know, maybe they built a couple pounds in the bulk,

but they put on so much body fat that when they would reverse back to cutting for the show, they would go right back to the same body. They didn't put on enough lean body mat. The ratio of lean body mass to fat mass they put on wasn't enough for them to sustain a six week plus cut for a show. So they would get back on stage and I was always looking at the same physiques. They were basically and sometimes they were a little, maybe a little drier or a little

leaner, but as far as like their muscle size and symmetry, like it was exactly the same that it was the show I saw them at the last time, and it was something that I prided myself on being able to do is if you were to go back and look at every single one of my shows, there is a significant difference in every show I did. Every single show I did, my body looked different because I would constantly go back to the drawing board from what the judges would say, and I would build that physique. And the way I did that was through these mini bulks and mini cuts, I would never go straight bulking for three to six months without any cuts and vice and and vise. I was about to do it vice versa.

It would have gets me for that one. All right. Next one is from Em Reils. What are the four most famous people you guys would want to have on the podcast? Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah, I still would love Jordan Peterson on the podcast. I know.

I really have to make that happen. I really, really put it out there. Yeah, we tried to get him on a little while ago and I'd love to have him on the show just to, just to converse. I feel like his conversations get so deep and so awesome. And I'd like to just ask him about him, more about him, because I feel like he's battled

with some of his own struggles and depressions. And I don't think anybody really asks him about that. You know what I mean? I'm asking about the stuff that he knows, but they don't ask him about himself. But he's, he would be the first person on the top of my list, I would say.

I would put Duane Johnson up there. Who the rock. Yeah, the rock would be cool. I think he would be just a cool relationship and connection. I think he's full of personality, so I think you could put on an incredible deal. Why is he so likable? He's deconstructed.

Right, right. So I think if someone like that, I think just getting them in the room would be a blast and fun. Does anybody have as much social media pull as that guy? I feel like he's one of the most influential. Kevin Hart's close, but not quite. And so is my other person I would love,

which is Will Smith. I would love Will Smith, yeah. I think Will Smith's very interesting character. And I think he's got, he puts out a ton of good content. I think he's got a killer story. I think he's, would be a killer person to have. So there's my, there's my two that come to mind right away. I remember Will Smith when he was a rapper.

Yeah. Yeah. Summer time. That song still is. It's great. So that is the summer song. Yeah. Yeah.

And he's especially here in California. Summer time comes around. That one's on the radio. I miss you guys know Mia. I would love George Lucas because I just, I want to know his mind now after selling You know the franchise like every all of his thoughts around it like does he do very much drives him now today Does he do very many interviews? No, he doesn't I know I can't you know I can't even look at trust me So yeah, he's done a few but like they're really short

They're like at Comic Con where they just ask him like a few, but like they're really short. They're like at Comic Con where they just ask them like a few things of like, it's really interesting to ask him about like how he came up with the whole thing and the whole mythology behind it. It's very fascinating. Why haven't they created a documentary around that guy? Right. Exactly. I know.

I mean, I'd be first in line. Yeah. How old is he now? He's getting up there. He's got to be like, after late 60s. Who better hurry up and get him? I know, we need him. It's a lot, I want him.

I want, I want, I mean, Bill Burr right now, I think is the best guy. I would love Bill Burr. Oh, Bill Burr. I just, I just love his outlook. He would be a fun one. Him and Dave Chappelle was the other one. Chappelle.

I just love Chappelle. Yes, his mind. I would rather have Bill Burr for sure. Would you? Yeah, yeah, I would, I mean, Chappelle's comedy is funny too, but Bill Burr is just his, hisber for sure. Yeah, yeah, I would I mean she spells comedy's funny to you But Bilber is just his his interviews are hilarious. Oh, yeah Like the way you know you could talk any social situational issue and the way he talks about the social issues

I think our is hilarious Yeah, and also he he's so razor sharp that if you slip at all like he will come at you with like a thunderous like witty Like response. So there's our four, right? Bill Burr, Dwayne Johnson, Jordan Peterson, George Lucas. Oh, George Lucas. George Lucas, there you go. Yeah, that's four.

Let's just all love that. I love it when we get messages from people in DM. They're like, you should have, you should interview Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, gee. Great idea. Yeah. I didn't think of that. Let me go. Oh, you know him.

Can you give us his number? Yeah, let me give him a call real quick. Yeah. Schwarzenegger would actually be the other person. And the reason why I say Schwarzenegger is because it's like too obvious. It's obvious because he's you know, fitness or whatever, but if you want a I'd love Schwarzenegger. I dare somebody to find a greater example of the American dream. I dare someone. It is very difficult to do to find somebody more. I mean, here's a guy who came to this country as an immigrant, didn't, you know, spoke with a terrible accent, became, it became a millionaire before he ever became a movie star

through bodybuilding and through his own business. Decided he wanted to become a movie star. Everybody laughed at him, told him to change his name, because nobody could through his own business. Decided he wanted to become a movie star. Everybody laughed at him, told him to change his name because nobody could pronounce his last name. He said, no, I'm keeping my last name. They said, oh, you have an accent. Nobody will want to listen to you.

I bet you all make it. Became a movie star married a freaking Kennedy, became the governor of California. What? He's just that guy that defied all odds. You know, you throw an odds like you know Oh, that's like a million to one chance cool. I'm going. Yeah, he's just that guy incredible self belief and apparently One of the most magnetic personalities out there became a Republican

Governor of California. That's another thing. He wasn't they'd say I mean think about it You're no way you can become the governor here. You don't speak the language, you're whatever, and you're Republican and California. Very democratic, heavy state. Oh yeah, for decades, decades, before that, I think Reagan was last Republican governor, and he freakin' won. I mean, the guy's definitely the American dream.

I met him once though. Did I tell you guys about that? No. Yeah, I was at the Arnold Classic long time ago. It's gotta be at least 14 years ago. And he was in a room surrounded by a bunch of people. So I was like, like we're Dougas, that's where he was and this is where I was.

That's how I saw. Yeah. It's me, he's the terminator. He'll remember it by me. Hey, you that guy. You were that guy in the, you read my encyclopedia bunch.

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