Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1021: How to Regulate Hunger, Hammer Strength vs. Free Weights for Building Muscle, Exercises to Improve Muscle Definition & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 41 minutes, we have fun. We do a lot of introductory conversation. After 41 minutes, we get into the fitness talk, but here's what we talked about in the beginning part of this episode. We start out by talking about liquid death. Liquid death.

Starting point is 00:00:31 This stuff is killed more people than anything ever in the history of the world, and we're selling it. It's water. But it comes in a really cool can. You got to check out their Instagram, it's hilarious. Then we give our little recap of our trips. I went to the Grand Canyon with Justin, Doug, and our families, good times.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Adam went to, where'd you go again, Adam? Lake Tahoe. Trucky, yep. Trucky, yep, you went there with your friend. We tell some stories about how fun it was on vacation. Then we talk about traveling with kids. It's not that fun. Then we talked about end game

Starting point is 00:01:03 and the box office record that they just sent. And then we talked about, machine, JJ Abrams, Justin's other favorite producer. I love that guy. Then we get, come on our show. The fitness part of this episode, the first fitness question,

Starting point is 00:01:17 what is a great exercise to get arm definition? If you want to know the secret exercise to guarantee arm definition, listen to that part of your stuff. You dollars the buyer paid wall the next question was hammer strength machines versus free weights this is a good machines versus free weights conversation the next question for someone who is perpetually yo yo dieted how do you get to a place where their hunger is regulated hunger is what prevents everybody from getting to their fitness goals, or at least I should say cravings.

Starting point is 00:01:48 We give our tips on how to help regulate that. Gotta hang up that yo-yo. And the final question, in our opinion, what is a good career path in the future that includes health, nutrition, and fitness? So if you're somebody that wants to work with health, fitness, and nutrition, where should you start placing your focus in terms of your career? Also, it's the final

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Starting point is 00:03:00 Maria Silva Vega, Katie Johnson, Trevor, Ottman, Joanna, Caswell. All of you are winners in the name I just read to iTunes at mindbuttmedia.com's and your shirt size, your shipping address, include your Instagram handle, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Adam, what are you drinking? Just some basic Kirkland water.

Starting point is 00:03:21 You look pussy. Basic bitch. Yeah. Bro, we just get to start drinking liquid death. Bro, how great is this camera? He's a pussy. Basic bitch. Yeah. What? Bro, we just get to start drinking liquid death. Bro, how great is this can? You know you want that liquid death. How great is this can that they put the water in?

Starting point is 00:03:35 That's so fucking metal, dude. Can I just tell you how much I love the branding? It looks like I have to. Yeah. I guess Adam's making the sounds like he's drinking. Yeah. Does it taste as good as death? Yeah, do you feel tough?

Starting point is 00:03:48 Yeah. Dude, I'm super pumped about working with this brand. This is Kudos the Taylor. I've been stroking this kid off a lot lately with his brands that he's been introducing us to. This one, I think, I was most excited to show Justin because I felt like of all the brands that we've partnered with, I thought this brand speaks to you

Starting point is 00:04:11 more than anything. It's like I spear it animal, right? But their Instagram page is hilarious. Oh, it's so great. I love it, but did you read the can? Yeah, murder your thirst. No, it says our proprietary thirst murdering process begins with liquid death forming a rope of veins

Starting point is 00:04:28 that will wrap around your thirst head and strangle it. Once liquid death reaches your thirst's brain, all of your thirst memories will be replaced with repeating loops of its own head imploding, which is exactly what happens next by it causing your thirst head to implode and its brains to squirt out of its ears. Once your thirst has been murdered, the soul of your thirst will begin to escape a float toward the ceiling. Yeah. At this point,

Starting point is 00:04:50 Tricca's second sip of liquid death to rip its soul back down and force it to begin gluing its own body parts together so that it can crawl back inside you and eventually grow into another fully formed thirst. So fucking metal. These guys are so great. Well, you know, we're laughing because it is really good. But there is, I mean, they're disruptors in a space, which this is what I think we all connected with their CEO and why we love this brand and just being completely transparent with our audience.

Starting point is 00:05:21 Like, this is a brand play with us. Like, we know that the amount of units that we would have to sell of water to justify like an ongoing long-term sponsorship is just unrealistic. But this is something that I think we care about helping these guys out because they have a good message, a good cause. They're disruptors in their space.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Their brand is dope as fuck. And this is kind of us like introducing to our audience. And hopefully you guys all go out, at a support. Just literally go out and support this brand because I'm excited to see it take off. And one of the things they're doing, and I read an article, I think I mentioned it on this podcast, I might not have in regards to plastic in the ocean. And they predicted by like 20, it was 20, 25 or 2050.

Starting point is 00:06:09 I can't remember which one it was, but not that. In our lifetime, they predict that there'll be more plastic in the ocean than there will be fish. And so their kind of, their big message is, you know, liquid in a can. And so it's just plastic. Well, I don't know this, but cans are extremely recyclable, extremely easily easy to recycle.

Starting point is 00:06:30 It's actually, what's the word market viability in terms of the recyclability? It's preferred. And plastic is not. Plastic is not. It's hard to recycle plastic. Nobody wants to recycle plastic. It's expensive.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Cans are valuable, so people like to recycle them. So it's environmentally speaking. Yeah. It's a, cans are valuable, so people like to recycle them. So it's environmentally speaking, yeah. It's a superior product. And then if you get nervous about BPAs and all that kind of stuff, like we've had Max Lugavir on talking about, like this is another way to kind of avoid that. The thing that's the, but the can is just,

Starting point is 00:06:57 and the branding is I love, because when you had a party, did. It makes, he made a good point, like you had a party, and you don't want to drink alcohol You don't want to have a little Fiji like no, no you want liquid death Like I'm here to party with you guys, but not really you know Like I'm down, but like I'm on conservative. Yeah anyway Well, they also you know they were ones responsible. They did the

Starting point is 00:07:23 Organic Valley save the bros commercial, which was the same marketing guys, same marketing team. Well, did you guys see the YouTube clip, the liquid death one? Was it you were going to put that in the show notes for everybody needs to go watch that their first video they came out with so hilarious. A lot of boarding offensive. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, terrible. Great disruptors in the space, great product, great brand. You know, if you can can go out show support. I know they

Starting point is 00:07:47 Directed consumers by time this goes live the brand is up and live So they we were waiting to release this to everybody. We've kind of known about this for a while Been excited to wait for their launch date and officially get out there. Oh, yeah see it says right here The average aluminum can contains 70% recycled material. The average plastic bottle contains only 3%. You know, it's funny because the market for water is so, they play around the whole like, peace and love the earth and we're natural, whatever. But they're plastic.

Starting point is 00:08:20 Our teaching. But they're plastic bottles. It's like one of the biggest polluters in modern societies. It's insane. But they play like they're not, right?'s like one of the biggest polluters in modern societies. It's insane But they play up they play like they're not right. Yeah, yeah, we're on to you. Hey, how was it? I mean, this is first day back since everybody's trips and you guys took the fam including Doug and You guys all went out to

Starting point is 00:08:39 Grand Canyon Sedona. Oh, we're only one mind-pumper short, yeah It was so great, man You know, so we all rented a big Mine pumpers short. Yeah. Yeah, it was so great, man. You know, so we all rented a big house and we got to hang out together. And it was great seeing the kids all play together. Yeah, like most of the best part. Yeah, most of the time the kids were up. So this house had an air hockey table.

Starting point is 00:08:58 So there was like games going on upstairs and they were up there playing. And then we played hide and go seek one time in the whole house. And then I read everybody a scary story one time which was pretty scary story. I only read one because if I pushed it then they would have been my youngest might have they had nightmares. Yeah, for a couple days.

Starting point is 00:09:13 And then it would have effect we wouldn't be able to sleep anyway. Yeah, it was funny. It was fun. One night we played cards against humanity and then we played another game that was similar. Dude, have you played that yet Adam? Yeah, it's great. I had my son. I said hey, do you want to come play? You know because he's 13 I'm like, I'm pretty sure him and his friends say but it was funny because some of those cards are fucking terrible dude Terrible. Yeah, I was like I couldn't like believe some of the like the descriptions of things like in the sexual like in you

Starting point is 00:09:44 Endowed things in there. I was like, wow. So that must have been cool for him to feel like he was a part that he actually come do it. He did, he played with us for a little bit, and then you know, and then, but you could tell everybody was a little bit like, oh yeah, we were a little more reserved

Starting point is 00:09:54 like, I was like, trying to like censor it. This card says, Giz, I'm gonna put this card back. Yeah, exactly. Let me read the next one. No, but we went too far. We went to the Grand Canyon, and we did one of their easy hikes or whatever.

Starting point is 00:10:07 It was still a decent hike though for the kids. But man, what a spectacular. Yeah. It reminds me. This was your first time there? I've never been there before. So, okay, so that was cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:17 I think everybody it was except I had been when I was like a little kid and remembered like going down on one of those donkey tours and everything. But that was like so long ago that this was a totally new experience doing it as an adult. Yeah, so one of those things where usually when you drive to a place where you're gonna have like spectacular natural views, you can typically see it from far away

Starting point is 00:10:38 because it's like a mountain or something. Yeah. But the Grand Canyon is a canyon, so you don't see that shit until you're there. Yeah. So we're driving, we're getting there, we're getting there, and then you know canyon so you don't see that shit until you're there. Yeah, so we're driving We're getting there we're getting there and then we're you know, you still don't see anything Although the scenery still beautiful. It's not the grand canyon Then we get on the shuttle and the shuttle's taking us and then all of a sudden

Starting point is 00:10:57 It's so big it's insane now what it now what are the kids think is sometimes I wonder like it Especially the age group that you guys have, is it like, oh, cool, we're on the next thing? Or were they really like into the whole whole thing? Like, what, how'd you guys feel? Be honest, too, don't bullshit. I think that, you know, we were trying to get them from climbing on everything and on that particular trail. Cause like, the consequences of falling over the side were like, dire. So So I was like really stressed out, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:27 like on the way down especially, just because, you know, it was slippery and it was slick in certain areas. And then I know my boys like, we'll just like just go on a terrace or climb in on everything and like, you know, boulders would start coming down or whatever, you know, I was like worried about all these things,

Starting point is 00:11:43 but they were loving it. They're having a good time. They were just like, I think on the way down everybody loved it and then on the way up, obviously that's where all the work is. So we were starting to get some burnouts. Well, like my son and Doug's daughter are almost the same age. They're both like new teenagers or whatever.

Starting point is 00:11:59 And you know when you're that age, it's cool, I guess, kinda, but you're kinda like whatever. It's not that big of a deal. And then the little ones are just, they wanna climb shit, and then on the way up, the kids are just, you could tell, they're tired. Yeah, they just fracked. So at one point, my daughter, she kept stopping,

Starting point is 00:12:12 and she's like, I can't move anymore, my legs don't work. So at one point, I'm like, all right, if we go from this point to the top, this was brilliant move in your part. I said, because I knew we were gonna do it anyway, right? I'm like, if we make it from here to the top, I got all the kids together. Without stopping one time, you guys will get

Starting point is 00:12:28 to be able to have whatever deserve you want for sure. And they were like, what? That was so much. Yeah, they powered on everybody's got turbo. You know, fucking God. Yeah, everybody's clever, they're way home. So we had to say, holy shit. Yeah, that was all it was.

Starting point is 00:12:40 But no, that was awesome that day. It was hot and exhausting, but that was a lot of fun. Then we did Sedona the next day, which is gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous town, gorgeous landscape. Yeah, I had no idea. I mean, I've seen some pictures on Instagram of people going there and everything,

Starting point is 00:12:57 but I didn't realize the landscape there was just amazing to look at. Like it was totally, I was throwing back actually at how beautiful it was. Yeah, so we're walking through at. Like it was totally, like I was thrown back actually at how beautiful it was. Yeah, so that was, we're walking through the town, that was fun. And then on the way back, Justin's like, dude,

Starting point is 00:13:11 I saw some great places to park on the way back where there's like creeks and stuff that we can all, you know, go check out. I'm like, that's a great idea. So we're driving down, I'm following Justin and Justin finds a spot, pulls over, we all pull over. And then, you know then now Justin's like full on mountain mud.

Starting point is 00:13:27 I went mountain cholo mode. You know what I was just gonna ask you, you kind of grew up like me, where we're a little more country. Yeah. And this guy's like city folk over here. Did that stand out at all? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:38 And at first too, like there's a park there, it's like slide rock park or whatever. We thought about going in, you had to pay like 20 something bucks to even get I'm like dude you got to pay money to go down to the creek is bullshit So we like like turned around and then we kept going like I know another spot along You know the creek we could just stop and go down there, you know and like just trailblaze It's that's exactly what we did

Starting point is 00:13:58 We found a spot where they had like a picnic area and then there was like some off the beaten path like trail that led down To the creek so we just like we just went for fucking dangerous yeah, they're all these like crazy gnarly rocks for super steep for you have to climb down to get to the creek first of all I thought we were done I'm like okay we made it we climb down no now they're gonna fucking walk across a log that's over the creek on two sides yeah, they're gonna climb up the fricking mountain then they're gonna climb over across a log that's over the creek on two sides. Then they're gonna climb up the frickin' mountain. Then they're gonna climb over to the other side of the river

Starting point is 00:14:30 and go on other big boulders and they're hoppin' across. And I'm like, dude, my anxiety was fucking going insane, dude. He was sweating like at his eyes. Dude, I was like, and I looked over, and it sounded just like over here, just like holding onto a rock, like watching like every move. It was a just holding onto a rock, watching every move, and then I was like, I saw that.

Starting point is 00:14:48 And I was watching her specifically, because she's by herself, and I'm making sure that she had somebody close by, so because I could tell, it sounded just as anxiety. And Jessica's a monkey too. Jessica likes, in fact, she claimed a fucking tree at Grand Canyon, and it was doing pull-ups on it and I'm like, oh God, this thing breaks, we're all dead.

Starting point is 00:15:08 But she did the same thing, they're all climbing. I'm like telling his kids, don't do that. No, no, step down, Jessica's looking at me like, bro, they're like, I'm like, I'm gonna do, they're gonna go. And then they did, they just went crazy, like climbing on every floor. Yeah, so I literally, I climbed up to this,

Starting point is 00:15:22 on top of this rock and I'm just standing there, just watching, watching them all do this and just like doing my freaking breath work like. Yeah, it's gonna be okay, but like that was probably the best. That was the best. The most fun. Yeah, they had, which is the funny part. You've been on quite the terror ever since you ingested your your backpacking trip up to when we went up to Washington. Yeah. Since then, you've been on this nature guide. Well, it's the first off, we live in a mountain cello side.

Starting point is 00:15:52 Yeah, we live in an incredible country. This country is so big and there's so many incredible things to see. And I just feel like, I don't know, I like nature because you go out there, it's quiet. It's just you're an awe of what you're seeing. It's just a different feeling. It's different than when you go to, like big cities too are cool too, but it's a different feeling, right?

Starting point is 00:16:11 It's different than all that. And I think it's good for the kids. I love seeing the kids just play and hang out together. And I love kids. So this is my first time really spending a lot of time with Justin's kids and with Doug's daughter. Yes, same. And so, you know, I'm going to warm them up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:16:28 I'm very, I love squeezing and just messing with kids. So a couple of times I mess with his boys a little bit and they get kind of a better, you know, like it took, yeah, it took especially my youngest a little while to warm up. Yeah, you watched that better with the shirt off. No, it touched me. He's kind of like I was as a kid. And then he finally is like, okay, you're cool. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:46 He walks around the shirt off like this. Yeah, he does it. He does it, he does it. He does like the Conor McGregor walk. Just it as that walk. I know, man. Yeah, dude. Yeah, when you work out, you get all puffed up.

Starting point is 00:16:57 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, let me see your little muscle, bro. Well, let me see your little muscles. Yes, you have for me. Oh, this Christmas. That's sweet, it's his little bicep. He's pretty young right now, dude.

Starting point is 00:17:08 Yeah, pretty. And then his oldest, Justin's oldest, is like Mr. Science Facts, which I, I told me, identified with. Yeah, you guys hit it off. Yeah, he's like, did you know that lizard blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, that's really cool. And he's like, I'll try to entertain like a daughter.

Starting point is 00:17:22 Oh, bro, there's a little flirting stuff going on there. It's just pretty funny. We were, I was getting ready to read them, the scary stories were turned off all the lights, right? And I had that book, scary stories from when we were kids, which is fucking terrifying. So I found the least terrifying one that has a jump at the end.

Starting point is 00:17:38 That figure, if I make them jump at the end, they'll laugh and then kind of get over it versus like a creepy story that just ends. Right, right. And then they're thinking about it all night. So I found one that was, it's the one about the kid that picks the toe from the garden and then the guy comes and tries to find it or whatever. So I'm reading this, so I'm getting ready to read the story. Lights are off.

Starting point is 00:17:54 And Justin's in the bedroom giving his youngest a shower or whatever, getting ready, putting his pajamas on. So I'm just sitting there waiting. And his oldest is just making my daughter fucking crack up. He's like walking by doing these funny things and she's like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, He's already he doesn't it's school you know time like there's a group of girls like hey School like acting does like wow, it's so great. Yeah, I was watching teach him that yeah, I was love I was love it's Baybro. It's in the DNA

Starting point is 00:18:38 It'd be a great you'd be great in loss Hey, I'm okay with it. As long as he doesn't mind marrying a crazy Italian girl, it's all good. All right. There's that. Yeah. Anyway, so what did you guys do? You guys went up to... We're up in Tahoe. Yeah, we went up to Truckee. It's so funny too to we're talking about all this outdoor stuff. I grew up like that and hated it. Hated it growing up. I just... Nothing to do it felt like. And it's funny that how things have come full circle that I look so forward to going on a trip like that

Starting point is 00:19:08 where we just get away from the city, detach from everything. I literally put my phone down for the entire four days that we were up there. I didn't use it at all. It wasn't on any social media. And just that alone was incredible for me. But we really didn't do that much.

Starting point is 00:19:25 It was just me and Katrina, and then we had my best friend Justin and his wife. With the baby, right? With the baby, yeah. So it was just the four of us in a one year old hanging out. Now how was that watching the whole, because you got to sleep there,

Starting point is 00:19:37 so you saw the baby in the morning and now. And you know what, and this, so the day before, well, first of all, we had planned this trip like, I don't know a couple months ago and we were all lined up to get a place there and Inzo heard that I was going to Tahoe over in trucky area and he's like dude, that's where our Cabin is do you want to use it? I'm like sure man

Starting point is 00:19:58 I mean, I said you have enough rooms this that he's like yeah, I think yeah, I think there's enough rooms for you And I'm like okay cool. I think, yeah, I think there's enough rooms for you. And I'm like, okay, cool. I was like, yeah, that'd be awesome. And so he asked his dad, his dad's all cool about it. They even made like a, I thought they VR be out of it because he sends this link that shows like, you know, oh, when you get there, check the options. Yeah, right. And he's like, no, it's my, it's my mother-in-law.

Starting point is 00:20:19 She's hell of extra like that, bro. I was like, oh, so no one stays. So he's like, yeah, no. But anyways, we get there. And this kid, I love this kid. And so, so like, you know, I guess maybe he's been born into it, so maybe he doesn't think it's a big deal or whatever, but this house is like a fucking, it's a multi-million dollar capital.

Starting point is 00:20:36 I saw a picture of it. Oh, it's crazy. It's kind of fucking river. It goes down the middle of it and shit. It's, you know, I think it was six or seven bedrooms. There's three of them are master bedrooms. It's just epic, epic place, beautiful place and pretty much empty. I mean, other than the few things they have in there for them for themselves and so at that, not that much, right? Going on in there, it's beautiful. So we get out there

Starting point is 00:21:00 and the day we get out a day before my best friend and his girl come out and they they text us Hunter the baby has got the his got the first fever. He's ever has oh man So he's running a fever really bad. They got cold towels on them and stuff and it's the first time that he's they've had this scare And so they're kind of they're kind of worried and freaked out. I'm like, oh, I tell Katrina like fuck. They're not gonna come I'm for sure if he's got, they haven't had, he's been, he's one and two months old, right? And he's never had a fever like this before. And so I'm like, they're for sure not coming.

Starting point is 00:21:34 And they did, they said, you know, we're still gonna come up there anyways. As long as he's okay, if he breaks the fever and he broke the fever, then he came up and we had him all week, but he still was in and out of it. So like, those are crying at night and stuff. Yeah, and we had him all week, but he still was in and out of it. So like, those are crying at night and stuff. Yeah, so they had some major sleepless nights.

Starting point is 00:21:49 And this is a little funerary. Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, he's like, oh, oh, I got one coming. Yeah, so I've ever like, looking at Katrina, and the other thing that was really funny, so he's like, he's at that walk, he just learned to walk. Uh-huh. Right?

Starting point is 00:22:03 So he is just, everywhere. Yeah, and he, they roll up, he just learned to walk. Right? So he is just. He takes off everywhere. Yeah. And they roll up with all their barricades. You know what I'm saying? So they get out and it's like, all the fences come with them and she'll like that. All the outlets are plunked. Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah. The first thing they do is like set the house all up to where it's like, okay, he can go here. He can't go here. Let's block this off. Let's do this. And it's like, I'm like, well, we're all here. Don't worry.

Starting point is 00:22:24 He's like, no, no, no, you don't understand. Yeah, he's like, he's fast. You'll see. And it was funny to watch that because it's so true. Like, you would, I would do something as simple as like leaving this can on the coffee table. And then I'd be watching the game or what do I do that? And then it's like, whoa, like two minutes.

Starting point is 00:22:38 He's like sticking his finger in the aluminum. And he's like, ah! Yeah. So constantly doing that the whole weekend. But he's such a good kid. He's so other than the sleep issues that he had, I felt really bad for them, that they were constantly going back and forth

Starting point is 00:22:53 and switching, but it was cool to see the two of them. Now, out of my two best friends, to me, I feel like they're the most natural at it. Like, so I'm like, I told you guys, I'm watching my two best friends, who me, I feel like they're the most natural at it. Like so I'm like, I told you guys I'm watching my two best friends who both have kids right now and there's how they're navigating raising the one year old and a six month year old. And Justin and Janet, to me, they just, they don't freak out. They don't, you know, even when they had his fever and stuff like that, it wasn't like, oh my God, call the hospital.

Starting point is 00:23:23 We got to figure this out, they don't stress out about a lot of things, they kind of flow well. He's already got like this, he still has a little bit of a knot on his head, he was, you know, he's walking around, now he's like running down the hallway and he ran straight into the corner of and just whacked knocked his head and he had this massive goose egg on it, it was all bruised and...

Starting point is 00:23:42 It is really interesting to see that, see like how parents react to situations like that. Yeah, no. And I know some, I'm sure there's people listening that are super anal about their kids being picked up without being wiped off with, or their hands being washed first. Yes. And they get all freaked out who touches them and who carries them. And does this just in a jannon or like, or maybe they're just not that way with me.

Starting point is 00:24:04 I'm, as soon as he gets there, I'm grabbing him and flipping carries them and does this. Justin and Janet aren't like, or maybe they're just not that way with me. I'm, as soon as he gets there, I'm grabbing them and flipping them around and fucking with them and like, I just, and I feel so comfortable being around kids because of raising my younger brother and sister, then I don't know if that's something that they trust me more with them maybe. But.

Starting point is 00:24:19 You can tell, I can tell. I can tell by someone holds somebody. Yeah, and I can tell every time, if someone is the oldest in their family with siblings. It's always the old, because I have a huge family, right? And so there's myself, my cousin Alex, my cousin Arianna, we're all the oldest of either three or four kids, and you can tell when we're at parties and there's babies around, if it's gonna be one of us who's gonna be playing

Starting point is 00:24:47 with the kids or what, because we grew up with babies. And then you can tell when someone's the youngest. It's the youngest is typically the ones that are kinda like, they don't know what to do. I salate it in shit. Yeah, like my youngest sister, cause just four of us,

Starting point is 00:24:56 so me and my sister are the two oldest, we're the most baby people out of all of my siblings. Am I absolutely youngest sister, doesn't even wanna have kids? Not that she hates kids, she just doesn't want to have kids. You can always tell, I think. Oh, I can tell. I can tell by the way that you hold them,

Starting point is 00:25:10 the way you touch them, the way you move with them. Like, you know, some people think that they're like, made a glass, you know? And it's like, you're, you're, you're, be surprised how resilient the kids are. Well, you learn that when the nurse comes and changes your baby's diaper for the first time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah. Like a machine. Watch out. You know, you the first time. Yeah. Yeah. Like a machine. Watch out. You know, you have to be so robotic. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. So you had a good time, man.

Starting point is 00:25:31 Yeah. No, it was good. It was really relaxing. Shout out to Enzo and his family for letting us stay at their place. That was something that really shocked me when I first had my son was how much stuff you have to take when you travel. Yeah. Or to the beach. Yeah. That I didn't understand, but it's a lot of shit.

Starting point is 00:25:47 Well, this brings up. So Katrina and I, the big topic that we have going on right now is like, how are families are going to interact? And, you know, he's going through some stuff and he's shared without getting too much into his private life. I know that they've had challenges with like different parents. Like what parents are like the most like grandparents are more the most active with the kids and which ones are more disconnected. Yeah, you got to kind of figure out who's good for what scenario to sometimes like I have my grandparents are the morning grandparents. These are the night grandparents.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Yeah, like this one's a stayover. He's about that. And so one of the challenges that they're having and he says one of my frustrations is that, you know, I have family really close and they don't come over as much as I would want them to because they're kind of home bodies and they want us to come over there and he's like, man, it's such an ordeal to, you know, to bring, bring the kid is a fucking, we gotta, we gotta tote everything, you know, all of his toys, all of his gates, all of his diaper, diaper, I mean, it's like, it's a huge ordeal just to come over to somebody's house. And so to come stop by his grandma or grandpa's house for an hour

Starting point is 00:26:55 or two hours, it's just ridiculous. It's like, you guys gotta come over this way. And so I know that this will be something potentially that Katrina and I are challenged with is, you know, who in the family is going to expect us to be coming their way all the time and who are going to be just more willing to come to our place and watch the kids. And so I don't know what that, what kind of dynamic that's going to create between her family and my family and who's going to, now I know like people like my sister has already like came and she last time she was down here, Cassie was like, hey, can I, I wanna ask you guys something, if you're comfortable with it, I would like to do this.

Starting point is 00:27:32 And that is, you guys have this extra room here, do you mind if I come down, you know, once a month and stay with you for like a week at a time, so I can be around the baby and I could come down here. Hell yeah. Yeah, it was like Katrina, I like it. You had a nice break, whatever. I told Katrina. Hell yeah. Yeah, it was like Katrina. I like it. Get a nice break.

Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah. I told Katrina I'm like, fuck, I would love that. It's awesome. And she's four hours away. So to get up there to go probably to go see her, it would be really tough for me to do. So the fact that she's already forward thinking like that and wanting to come down, that makes me really happy. Now I wonder who in my family will be like that and who won't be like that.

Starting point is 00:28:03 It's when you have kids too, you realize the importance of living close to family. Because when you don't have kids, it's not that big of a deal. But then when you have kids, you're like, oh, man, it'd be nice to live close to that. Well, then I see my other friend, my other best friend who's going through this right now, and they don't have anybody really close. They're all alone, and you can just tell how wore out and exhausted they are. They just, they seem like every day they've been running a marathon since they've had this kid and I feel so bad for them.

Starting point is 00:28:28 And everybody keeps telling us like, you know, all this shit and Katrina and I, Katrina keeps telling me like, huh, you're going to be fine. Trust me. He's like, you know, our biggest problem is going to be is telling our family to like go. You're going to see a value, especially because she has such a big family that's close. You're going to see a lot of, you're going to, because you know how you've said in the past, how it was always kind of a struggle for you going to a big family that's close. You're gonna see a lot of, you're gonna, because you know how you said in the past how it was always

Starting point is 00:28:47 kind of a struggle for you, going to this big family parties, because you're not used to all those people. You're gonna see the value in that most sudden. I can already, not even being there, I can already foresee it. I can already see like, oh this is gonna be cool,

Starting point is 00:29:00 because I already know that her both, she's got two brothers, a sister and two aunts and her mom all within like a five mile radius of us and all super connected and all like, I can't wait till this baby comes, right? And so I'm talking to Trina like, oh man, I could totally see where when we do feel like we've been grinding for two, three weeks straight and not getting a break, how easy it's gonna be for one of us to go like, Hey, mom or aunt or sister or brother, could you come over and stay the night and stay hang out with Maximus for a day or two.

Starting point is 00:29:32 And I don't think anybody's going to balk at it. I think it's going to be really easy for you. You know who's really good with kids? Uh, uh, Doug's daughter. Oh, really? Really, really good with kids. Yes, she is. And she'll be right at the perfect age, right when you're ready to have a baby sitting

Starting point is 00:29:43 time. Yeah, right when you want them to be babies, right? One of these two or three, she'll be right at the perfect age, right, when you're ready to have a baby sitting time. Yeah, right, when you want them to be babies, the right one who's two or three, she'll be 15, 16. So the biggest concern I have right now that I'm trying to be proactive about, and this was funny, because I've gone around like all of you guys, you know, and all my friends, and I love asking all my dad friends,

Starting point is 00:30:01 like, you know, hey, what's a one piece of advice or what's something I should look out for, or what's the best or worst thing you did raising your kids. And one of the most random pieces of advice that I got that I think is going to really come into play with me and in particular because of my two English bulldogs. And he's, my buddy Justin was like, bro, you got to, you got to go easy on your dogs. Oh, yeah, I get that. And he goes, he goes, man, he's like, I fucking, let me tell you dude, I've come on glued on him a few times. And it's not their fault, they're, you know, they were the main attention before you had these kids,

Starting point is 00:30:35 which I have very needy dogs that are like that. Yeah, like if they bark, wake up the baby, or if they, you know, do something knock him over or whatever, or like what he told me too, he's like, you know, and I know this about my boys. If I skip a walk with them, or I don't spend time with them for a day in a two days in a row or something,

Starting point is 00:30:53 they're awful. That's when they get into shit or they fuck shit up or they're just misbehaved. And he's like, dude, you'll, he's like, I have the same thing. He's like, I gotta go out and run my two because he has big dogs. I gotta run them for like an hour a day. And if I don't exercise them, they destroy

Starting point is 00:31:08 the house, they fuck shit up. They're just, they're annoying. And he's like, man, I just didn't realize how, how frustrated I would be because I'm tired because I'm giving all this attention to my kid. And that, of course, that's your number one priority. But then you have these dogs that was your number one priority before. And now you're all sitting putting them on the, and then now they're being to pay in the ass and then he's like, so, and so I'm already actually going to look into having somebody that I hire that can come to the house every day. And they'll take the dogs for an hour and go play with them because I know that

Starting point is 00:31:38 they won't be a, the number one priority is going to be maximus when he comes into this home and trying to manage both that might be difficult. So if I, like, to me, it'd be a worthwhile investment to pay some dog walker or some kid to come like on a daily basis. So there's a strategy that I was taught when I had my daughter that I worked brilliantly and it was taught to me by my mom and by other people who have kids and they said, because when my worries was when I had my son that I wasn't at my daughter and I'm like, what if he gets jealous,

Starting point is 00:32:08 he's not gonna have all the attention. And I think a lot of parents worry about this when they have the second or third kid or fourth or whatever. And my mom said, include your son and everything that you do for your daughter. So like when you change her diaper, ask him to help. Can you hand me the wipe? Can you bring me the dye?

Starting point is 00:32:24 Can you watch her form? And because they help. Can you hand me the wipe? Can you bring me the diet? Can you watch her for me? And because they're involved, they feel like they're a part of it. And I wonder if you could do that with the dogs. So there is some things you do. Like right away, like I know the first thing before the baby even comes home, I'll take some of the blankets and things and clothes and things that he's had on him

Starting point is 00:32:40 from the hospital. And I'll put it in their beds and let them smell it. So like that, when they first come in, I'm gonna let them sniff them and lick them and get all the smells and stuff. So what we do with Remy, my dog, and then he had, like Ethan was doing tummy time and all of that and then, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:57 like Remy would come by and just like watch and then like get used to it and then they would like interact quite a bit and then it's just the more exposure you can provide the better they are in the interact. Well, so I definitely have plans to do things like that, but I also want to plan for, because they got to get their walks,

Starting point is 00:33:13 you know, that's going to be, I'm sure going to take a back burner. I know that you're training an eye plan that we're going to miss some sleep and we're going to be tired and exhausted. And the last thing one of us is going to want to do when the baby finally goes and settles down for their hour and app, you know, we're both going to look at each other like you need to go take the dogs.

Starting point is 00:33:28 You know, they say, you know, Sam, we're like, fucking Rochambo for who's got to do it. I can see that already where if maybe I'm a little proactive about it, I look for somebody who I can get to, you know, come to my house once a day, every day, and I pay him X amount of dollars to go take the kid, I have a park right around the corner for me, go take the dogs of the park. That'll definitely help, dude. Right, and then they feel like they get their attention,

Starting point is 00:33:51 their play time, that'll leave a lot of, hopefully release some questions. Well, you know what, you know, doing this trip with my kids and Justin's kids and Doug's daughter, it made me, I can't wait for you to have your child because it's great to see all these kids playing, interacting with each other, and then growing up together.

Starting point is 00:34:10 Because I plan on working with you gentlemen for a long time, and I think it's important that our families, and especially our children, grow up and know each other because, A, you guys are good people, and these are all gonna work for us. And they're all gonna work together. That's right, we got a lot of talent. We got to start, you know, teaching them now, bro.

Starting point is 00:34:29 That's it. That's it. Anyway, dude, I was buying tickets for Avengers Endgame to watch the movie. Two, I went on three days before. All sold out, right? Bro, the movie is already out. I didn't even, it wasn't even the opening night. Three days before, all sold out. The onlyicking row open and all the movie in the in the

Starting point is 00:34:47 theaters with the front no it's just not even worth it that's so crazy that like so the reviews have already come back to the people have watched it critics are loving it people are loving it everybody saying it's a living up to the hype did you hear the numbers no one point two billion dollars we haven't watched the opening we can take its sales this is smashed the star wars right the marvel film uh... became the first in hollywood history to gross more than one billion in its worldwide box office debut never been done before in all in game earned it in estimated one point two billion in its first five days

Starting point is 00:35:20 blowing past previous record holders thanks to the unprecedented demand in the u.s US and in China. It's been they said some of the theaters just stayed open around the clock 24 seven. And just opened up more time. So on every hour of the hour, the show was being played. I had no idea it was that popular. Dude, it 90, they said this in this last weekend, 90% of all ticket sales went to that movie. Wow. That's crazy. this last weekend, 90% of all ticket sales went to that movie. Wow. That's crazy. You know what's funny is when they, when they do the numbers

Starting point is 00:35:49 for going to the movies, cause that whole, going to the movies is in many ways dying, but in other ways, it's not, right? When they do the numbers for them, they say, no, it's not dying, cause the total ticket sales that only goes to like one or two movies. You know what I'm saying? Cause I don't think a lot of other movies

Starting point is 00:36:05 are doing anything. No, not like that. There's nothing like comparing to that. Because I wonder how much, like what's the typical weekend for all movies do? You know what I'm saying? I probably blew out all that stuff. Here's another billion dollars.

Starting point is 00:36:18 Here's another cool stat along those lines, especially for us and those of our, that are listeners of ours that took the advice when we talked about going out and buying Disney Earlier earlier this year and go up. Oh, dude. So Disney last year earned 985 million in profit from last year's and Vinnie Avengers Infinity War So and this is going is this is projected to hit 2.5 billion is the projected number so Disney is going to make a Fuck ton of money. Wow to make a fuck ton of money. Wow. Yes. A fuck ton of money. Well, I'm going to keep buying more

Starting point is 00:36:47 Disney because I bought some last year when we all started hearing about all the shit that they were buying and taking over. Dude, Disney is going to be huge. That's a huge opportunity. I think even now, everything Simpson's, you know, they acquired just recently. What was the other one? Another like everything that we grew up with that had a appeal for kids and adults, that they just decided to acquire. When you have a movie this big though,

Starting point is 00:37:10 so think about this way, they've set themselves up for 50 years. Like a movie this big, worst case scenario, they can do another Avengers 15 years from now when all the kids grow up and they'll have another guaranteed audience. Yeah, you understand? It's cool because while I was reading,

Starting point is 00:37:25 I think it was fast company, and they kind of did a breakdown of like how Disney's land and Disney world are evolving to cater to like new types of events like VR type things in different like ways to experience entertainment and like on ether theme parks. And so they've actually invested quite a bit of money and one of the one of the one of the rides that's coming out in the Star Wars part of the part of the you know,

Starting point is 00:37:53 Disneyland park park. Thank you. Can't think of the name for it. Yeah. It's it's the one with the Millennium Falcon. And so it's not just that, you know, you know, how like Star Tours, you'd sit there and you'd experience it. Well, I guess this one you actually can control the ship and so they actually game a fight the whole thing so you're actually like it's you're driving it and like you're also like you know part of the whole experience. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so they're working on a

Starting point is 00:38:19 lot of that. It was interesting too because I started reading this article because it was all about JJ Abrams, and I wanted to see if I can get any kind of like insider information on the latest like Star Wars 9, because you know, he actually got pulled into that project late. The first, it was like the guy that did Jurassic World, that was the director, and then they brought him in to kind of save the day. And JJ Abrams is like an example of like somebody who is a producer in Hollywood that is going in a different direction than everybody else trying to buy it off of Netflix and go in that direction. So talking about Disneyland theme park, right?

Starting point is 00:38:55 We randomly were actually looking to stop. My sister is a die hard Disneyland fan. She stopped by and said, hi, while we were out in Tahoe and It got us talking about Disneyland how amazing it is and all this shit And I was showing her and somebody else like all these secret things about Disneyland that people don't know And I found this YouTube clip and it was like the 13th secrets about Disneyland a bunch of them already knew about one of them I had I did not know this so it all of Disneyland, there is massive underground tunnels. Like there's a whole other world underground under Disneyland. And what they have designed, so check this out.

Starting point is 00:39:34 You guys have never seen anybody change the trash at Disneyland before. You know why? Cause every trash can goes under, it gets sucked underneath when it gets full. So as soon as the trash can gets full, there's tubes and they go underneath. And such that office thing where you send the Yes, letter. And is that real? Yes.

Starting point is 00:39:53 Is that real? Yes, bro. It's such that they have it. It's just sucks. The garbage. I just keep picking it up. You're not like you will never see someone take the trash. Take the trash out because it has under each trash can all out the theme park has individual shuttles that shoot it down underground. It's a willy walk of fire. Hold on a second. So you're telling me that if I wanted to like

Starting point is 00:40:12 infiltrate the underground, that I could do like a, I could be like one of those, what is that like the oceans 11 or whatever. I could like go through the garbage. Wow. It's true. Wow.

Starting point is 00:40:22 It's patented automated vacuum assistant and collecting everything. They're so like efficient. So like even the way that they park everybody, Wow, it's true. Wow. Patented automated vacuum assistant collection. They're so efficient. So even the way that they park everybody. You would never know the looking at it. No. So the trash empties itself. Yes.

Starting point is 00:40:33 Wow. Is that not brilliant or what? Tell me that wouldn't be a smart, something in a movie though, right? Someone trying to, you know, get into Disneyland again, I go through the garbage. What a run. I mean it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:43 Well, dude, no, like what I was trying to talk about with the JJ Abrams was like, so you know how Tom Billio has trying to structure this whole thing where he's trying to merchandise and like kind of create content that's unique. So bad robot, like JJ Abrams company, like he produces all this content. He's the alias, lost all this kind of stuff for TV. He's done all these movies for big studios like you know Fox and You know Disney and everybody else, but he's thinking now of just like doing it all out of his own Studio out of his own thing. So he's gonna structure it where he has bad robot

Starting point is 00:41:17 He has not only does he have like the movie part of that, but also the TV. He also has a bad robot like a music studio company. He's also has like video game and toys. And so he's like going all the way from, they've already started production of like this toy that they're going to plan on bringing through all those different channels that they own all the rights to this whole process. So it's like, he's building and developing like the ultimate creative company that like all in house. Well, it makes sense because you figure, like you want to sell a toy, you make movies around it and TV around it and then you make the, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Yeah, he has like that whole chain of all those things like like strung together. I thought I was brilliant. Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder how many more companies are gonna try doing something like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's the first big name that's really gonna,

Starting point is 00:42:08 I guarantee he's gonna pull it off. You guys have both been to Disneyland, right? Yeah. Have you been to Disney World? No. Disney World's fucking rap. Huge, right? Huge Epcot Center, insane.

Starting point is 00:42:18 But here's the big thing that you notice about Disney World. Massive people everywhere. Yeah. There are traffic jams with scooters. The little scooters. Yes, and they're not like disabled, they're just obese. And there's literally, I remember when I went like, I wanna say I went maybe seven, eight years ago,

Starting point is 00:42:38 and these little scooters, there were so many of them that I would see traffic jams. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,. Like that, maybe? Yeah, it's like that Guinness book world records with those two big guys on the long-to-beaks. Yeah. No, those are regular size bikes. No, they weren't. Yeah, they are. Those are regular bikes, right? The picture of the heaviest or mini bikes.

Starting point is 00:43:14 No, the world's heaviest twins, they're sitting on regular motorcycles. Oh my God. That's like the norm now on, it's just rascal scooters now. Yeah, yeah. Well, you hit it on the head a long time ago when you introduced me to that, was it Wally? Was it Wally? Yeah, it's W rascal scooters now. Yeah, yeah. Well, you hit it on the head a long time ago when you introduced me to that. Was it Wally?

Starting point is 00:43:26 Was it Wally? Yeah, it's Wally that does the... That movie made me a little sad when I saw that. Yeah, I got a little too close to home. Yeah, see, those are regular motorcycles. Oh my God, those are regulars. Wow. Yeah, they were both 700 plus pounds.

Starting point is 00:43:38 I thought those are mini bikes. No, they're just big dudes. Damn. No, the first time I watched Wally, of course I've been in fitness forever, so I was a trainer at the time. And when, you know, because they all live in the spaceship

Starting point is 00:43:49 and you see all these, you know, big obese people and it kind of made me a little bit sad. Yeah. So I was like, oh man, I could see this happening, you know, one day. Well, it's, I mean, geez, bro, we're getting real close to the VR goggles being on your head all the time, man.

Starting point is 00:44:03 Yeah. I mean, it's, we're not far from that. We're not far from that experience. And I mean, I actually, I told Katrina, I want the Oculus ones. I want to try the NBA thing out. I want to see if it says, if it says cool, it looks. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:16 And I'll be the first to admit, I want to at least try that. But it just makes me go, man, if I want to do this, how many other people want to try at? It's interesting. With video games and everything else, like before long, they're gonna be in rooms with VR sex. Yeah, I mean, I was at that CES conference and they had this weird gyro,

Starting point is 00:44:33 scopic thing that you basically, you laid on top of and then you put the VR goggles on and you could fly. You could fly in this hang glider and deal with crazy stuff. And like every little movie made, like made a difference, you know, in the game. And so it was like really small movements. And so it was like, it was like hard at first, but then you started to get it. And then it was weird because it really felt like you were there. There's going to be a ton

Starting point is 00:44:58 of like amazing, awesome things because of it though. So I'm like, not anti it. I'm just, I'm curious to because it's so awesome. I'm gonna pose new it. I'm just, I'm curious to, because it's so awesome. I'm gonna pose new challenges. Right, yeah. We're gonna have to learn how to, because what modern life has done to us is it's made it to where we have to have practices around a lot of things that normally we didn't have to have practices around

Starting point is 00:45:19 like food and activity. Like you have to schedule time to go be active, which is really fucking weird if you consider all the human history. Like, if you went back 500,000 years and I, like you have to schedule time to go be active, which is really fucking weird if you consider all of human history. Like, if you went back 500,000 years, like, hey, guess what we do in the future. We have to go to a place to lift heavy things and put them back down and they'll say, well, why? Oh, because that's what makes us help in, huh? I've been thinking a lot about this lately and this is what's motivated me because I

Starting point is 00:45:39 was like, I'm going to get back in due, we talked about cardio in the last few sessions and like, dude, it's so like, what a fucking waste of time. For me to just get on a treadmill and just do this stupid thing. Like, why don't I just go around, you know, my backyard and clean shit up and like, like hack trees. Well, I was, that was way better idea.

Starting point is 00:45:57 So much more productive. He's like, go do more. Yeah, I didn't want to, like, so I had a similar thought, right? Cause any season's I've been doing like all the swimming and rowing and I was thinking about this stuff I'm like man I'm doing like this like labor stuff for an hour now and it's just straight cardio like

Starting point is 00:46:11 What if I could find somebody who I could just go chop wood on the weekends and they would let me come chop wood for and pay me like a I fucking love chock a low wage. Oh you want to go get a job? Yeah Go chop some wood and make some money on the side. And then knowing you, you're such a good employee, you'll get real good energy. Yeah, no, I totally would. I would be wanting, I would be paying you to jump on a treadmill. Right.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Yeah, that's what made me think about. I'm like, why would I go do that? I could probably find someone who I could, Why don't you just hook up a generator to your, your fucking rower and just, just store some energy for yourself. There's a place like that in Oregon. A gym, right? Yeah, they actually do store your energy.

Starting point is 00:46:48 The Eco Gym. Yeah, but I think they're trying to make it where you can actually like get paid for the amount that you store. Are you sure that was my idea for a gym a long time ago? Technology's not there. Yeah, no, I think somebody's trying to do it. Like to me, I think it would be so brilliant to attach everything from weights, to machines, to the treadmills, and all that laborious stuff

Starting point is 00:47:11 that you do generates energy, and you have a membership price, and then totally, there's a threshold that if you hit that, anything over that, you start to reduce your dues. And then all the idiots will be like, oh, you know, like you're exploiting your employees, but you know, because everybody's on there just,

Starting point is 00:47:27 you try to keep the lights on. Well, you know what'll happen, then. Nobody will want to do heavy lifting. It'll all be high rep shit, because you're trying to generate more energy. Right. Unless you calculate some sort of a volume matrix into it, right? Maybe, right?

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Starting point is 00:48:27 just like most of these fitness questions. Especially just arm. Yeah, that's not even like it. No, muscle. But you know what, the reason why I picked this question is because I get asked this all the time, I've been getting asked questions, and it's similar ones, right?

Starting point is 00:48:39 Like what's a good exercise for ab definition? What's a good exercise for definition on my legs or whatever. So it's two things you wanna understand. First and foremost, if you don't get lean, you're not gonna get definition. So body fat is what prevents you from seeing the shape and lines of your muscles.

Starting point is 00:48:57 So you have to get lean, so that's number one. And that's really a big role in that is your nutrition, how you're eating. Now, as far as exercises concerned, there's a lot of myths surrounding what exercises will make you the most defined, and they usually revolve around low, you know, lightweight, high repetition exercises, right? Like, if you lift heavy, you'll get big and bulky, if you go light and do a lot of reps, then you'll get a lot of definition.

Starting point is 00:49:23 The actually the opposite is true. The more you develop your muscles, aka the bigger they get, the more definition you'll see at higher body fat percentages. So in other words, a body builder with really, really big muscular arms, his arms are gonna look leaner at 15% body fat than some guy whose skinny and doesn't have any muscle, but at 15% body fat than some guy who's skinny and doesn't have any muscle, but

Starting point is 00:49:46 at 15% body fat. So the truth is, the exercises that give you the best arm definition are the ones that build the most muscle and you need to perform them on the ways to build the most muscle, which is heavy weight. I also have something else for this person. And at first, I pieced it together first on myself years back. And then it's become like a staple thing that I teach clients to this day.

Starting point is 00:50:09 And anybody who's listening right now that was a female competitor of mine that I coached for sure remembers me teaching this or driving this home for their program. And that was one of the best things that made my arms. Let me back up a little bit. I've talked on this show before how I, when I first started lifting,

Starting point is 00:50:28 all I did was bison tries. So my arms were like my thing. Like that was, I had good arms because I trained arms three times a week to five times a week. And that's all I really did. Those were the, for like probably two years all I did was bison and tricep, right? And so I've, I've, I've always had decent looking bison tries. But I never had like, when I looked atp and tricep, right? And so I've always had decent looking bicep and trice,

Starting point is 00:50:47 but I never had, like when I looked at photos and stuff like that of me in a tank top, I never had really great, I didn't think I had great arms, I had built these kind of big arms, but I didn't think I had as defined, chisel looking arms that I would like. And the main reason why that really was, was because I actually neglected how much I trained

Starting point is 00:51:04 my shoulders. And when I began to develop my shoulders, it blew me away on the way it made the rest of my arm look. It separates everything. In fact, today, my arms are significantly smaller. I'm probably three inches smaller, at least two inches smaller. And my arms are conference than what I was in my early 20s. But my arms looked in my opinion 10 times better than what they looked like when

Starting point is 00:51:31 I was in my early 20s. Now they were bigger in circumference. But what I didn't do was I never trained shoulders. I used to have this like, oh, well, I do chest, so I get a little bit of the interior delt, and I do a lot of back stuff. So I get a lot of my post-ear dealt. So I don't really, and I throw laterals in there every once in a while. Like that was all I did for shoulders ever. And it wasn't until I had that critique that I've talked about in the show where I had a female competitor in my early 20s. I asked her to look at my physique and tell me what I need to work on.

Starting point is 00:51:56 And she pretty much laughed at my shoulders. And I was offended at first, but then went right to the drawing board and said, okay, I've never built a program to really develop my shoulders and see what would happen. And man, when I did, what I realized was it really brought my arms out. And I find this as an extremely valuable tip for a lot of my women, just because most women asked to have, oh, I want tone or lean arms. I want good looking arms at them or I want to butt. Like those are kind of like the areas.

Starting point is 00:52:24 Rarely ever does a woman come to me and say, Adam, I want great shoulders. Could we build my shoulders? Like it's just a neglected area. In fact, when they go to magazines and they point at women whose arms, I want my arms look like that. Yeah, great shoulders. It's always great shoulders. Always great shoulders and that you're 100% right.

Starting point is 00:52:40 You're in a Michelle bomb is another great example. She's got incredible. Her arms aren't that great. She's great shoulders. But it's so the shoulder is what really starts to... Linda Hamilton. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:51 Terminated. After terminated. It's always great. Yeah, I want those. It's always great shoulders. So to me, one of the best things that you can do if you want great arm definition, ironically is, is to really develop your shoulders.

Starting point is 00:53:05 Work the posterior deltoid, work the anterior deltoid, start to put a lot of energy and emphasis around the shoulders and watch how much it brings the look of your arms all together. Yeah, no, it makes a huge difference. But at the end of the day, do exercises and do them in ways that build the muscle. And I want to re-emphasize this because I do see a lot of people who are like, oh, I'm doing, you know,

Starting point is 00:53:28 I'm doing 30 reps and 40 reps and all these exercises, or more, and a lot of these short, repetitive type movements like they'll do Pilates or Barat classes, or whatever. Yeah, because they think that's what gives them definition. But it's not, they have to build the muscle, to make the muscle show. And shake weights.

Starting point is 00:53:46 Next question is from G Griff 1965. Hammer strength machines versus free weights. Oh yeah. Do you guys remember when Hammer strength really started getting popular? What was it? Like the 90s? Yeah, late 90s or late 90s?

Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah, I remember specifically. So this was, you know who popularize them was Doreen Yates. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there were Doreen Yates was Mr. Olympia during this time. And he was really well-known for his massive muscular back. And he was also known for the way he trained, which was low volume, but super, super high intensity. And there was this one machine that he would always get filmed doing or pictures of him doing in the gym. And it was the hammer strength. Iso Ro, that's the one where you, you know, load the plates up on one side. And you can do one arm at a time, whatever. And so during eights, every time he was in a magazine and they do it article on his back because he had a crazy back, it would be a picture of him doing that. And so before you knew it, all the best gyms started pumping hammer strength machines in there and they started kind of phasing out or not having as many of the traditional selectorized type equipment.

Starting point is 00:54:57 Now here's the thing with hammer strength. The reason why hammer strength equipment is different than traditional machines. Besides the fact that you load them with plates, which I'm going to be quite honest with you, doesn't mean shit. Putting a plate on it or using a weight stack that doesn't make a difference at all, it was a brilliant, brilliant ploy by Hammer Strength because it looked more like free weights. So for them, it was brilliant because it was like, oh cool, it's a machine, but with weights still follows along a track. It's still on a track. It's still predetermined. But the difference is this, hammer-strike machines, the way that they're designed, is

Starting point is 00:55:29 designed so that the resistance is lighter at some parts of the rep and heavier at other parts of the rep. So because you're using a pulley or a cam, I should say, with a plate, when I'm doing, for example, a pull-down, you'll notice that when you do pull down, the weight is the heaviest at the top, which means that's the hardest part of the rep and that's where you're squeezing. When you're doing the chest press,

Starting point is 00:55:52 it's easy at the bottom, hardest at the top, incidentally you seem to be stronger. That's where it goes. Those prime machines really, like, honed in on that process of like, we're loading the weight, you know, in terms of the actual exercise made quite a bit of a difference with it. I actually really liked the Hammer Strength machines and this is coming from a guy that's like athletic, you know, functional training based.

Starting point is 00:56:16 Well, they were the first machines to go after sports. Yes, they're the first to actually made their way into, you know, we actually like structured workouts around a lot of the hammer-strike machines. And you can actually do some decent power explosive movements that were kind of sport specific that, you know, they built and developed these with, but at the same time, you know, like as much as I loved them, like I definitely saw more benefit, more muscular development out of free weights. Yeah. And now to be clear, I think it was Nautilus that was the first machines to take advantage of making the resistance heavier and lighter at different portions

Starting point is 00:56:53 of the rep. In fact, Nautilus used to have machines where you could change where you'd want it to be most difficult, where there would be a pin that you would pull. One, two, three. Yeah, it would change the pulley a little bit, but Hammer Strength just took it to a whole new level. Now here's the thing though, it's still a machine. It still is on a track, it's still predetermined. And I, you know, because I started working out again

Starting point is 00:57:16 in gyms recently, here's one thing that I can notice. I can do way more volume with machines than I can with free weights. Free weights just fucking toast my body. I could do, yeah, it's a lot more tax. I could do 50 sets and a workout with machines and I can't wear free weights. Free weights just fucking toast my body. I could do, I could do 50 sets in a workout with machines. It makes so much sense from a CNS level. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:31 If you're having to stabilize free weight, and if you think of like your analogy that I love that you always talk about is your CNS, like your amplifier, and so your amp has got to send out all this wattage to all of these muscles that are surrounding the main muscle you're trying to work, and they're all having to stabilize. Where if you got the support of something being on the track, less of your other muscles

Starting point is 00:57:53 have to come into play to help really generate that weight forward or backward or what are up or down, whatever you're doing. So it makes total sense to me why you could do so much more volume on machines is because it's just not nowhere near as taxing on the CNS. No, no, I'll say this like for free weights, I would are superior to machines in most ways, not always, but in most ways, for a few different reasons. As a trainer, the reason why I love free weights is because free weights move, they follow the person.

Starting point is 00:58:24 The person doesn't follow the free weights. So if I have someone who's four foot 10, six foot five, you know, it doesn't matter. What doesn't matter, what the range of motion is, doesn't matter, what their injury is, I can move around their body. Machines don't work that way. Like, I'll go to the gym with a guy like Adam who's tall,

Starting point is 00:58:42 and you see, I have to see, I watch Adam has to adjust his body because most machines are designed for average height, you know, sometimes the machines, they won't allow you to really like adjust it to the proper height like that. They just don't make any sense. They don't make it. No, they don't, for, for, for a lot of people. So that's one reason.

Starting point is 00:58:59 The other reason why I like free weights is there's more carry over to the real world. When I, if I get somebody really good at lunges and squats, they just move better than somebody who gets really good at leg press or hack squat on a machine. It's just way more carryover in terms of total function. Well, and again, wouldn't you assure you that's kind of what I was saying where you have all these other stabilizer muscles that are having to incorporate work where never in your life will you be somewhere where you're in this fixed position

Starting point is 00:59:27 with all the support having to pick something up or move it. Like it just doesn't work that way in real life. Now, the thing though I do like, like you pointed out with the hammer strength is, I have used it for coaching purposes. When I have somebody who is really bad mechanics and they're just all over the place putting them on a on a machine like a hammer strength machine. I can put them on an area like that and then all I'm I can get in there and I can like move their shoulder blades back or do whatever

Starting point is 00:59:54 I want with them while they're on this this track that's really easy and so it's less that they got to think about and worry about. So I do like it for coaching purposes. I use the machines. I love hammer strength machines, but if you have a limited amount of time, it's an either or a situation, I think free weights always wins. Yeah, and now, here's an analogy. I think that will make sense to a lot of people. If you think of your body as something that you're sculpting, so imagine if your body is a block of granite and you're going to sculpt this block of granite into a beautiful piece of art You've got all these tools around you

Starting point is 01:00:29 And one of the first tools that you're going to use is going to be a big chisel with a big sledgehammer And then you're going to have other tools that are going to be much more fine-tuned small chisels and small brushes and stuff like that Machines are like the small chisels and the big chisels that take off the big hunks of block. That's your free weights. So why do bodybuilders like machines so much? Because bodybuilders, by the time they're bodybuilders,

Starting point is 01:00:55 they're massive and they're big and they've built a lot of muscle. They've chiseled big pieces of rock off that granite with the big sledgehammer and the big chisel and now they're kind of working on small movements and small areas and isolating and focusing. So for the vast majority of people listening right now, the tool you should be using is the one that's going to move the most rock, the one that's going to take off the biggest pieces to sculpt and shape your body. And that's going to be free weights.

Starting point is 01:01:21 Now if you've been working out for two, three, four years consistently, and you've got a lot of experience and you've already developed an incredible base, there's a lot of value to adding machines at that point when you're adding more volume to your workouts. Next question is from Christy Cav9. For someone who has perpetually yo-yoed and is always hungry, how do you get to a place where their hunger is regulated?

Starting point is 01:01:44 That's a tough one because hunger, here's a thing with hunger. A lot of things help control or regulate or tell us what to eat and when to eat. And it's not always true hunger. In fact, most of the time it's not true hunger. That's why this is a tough one because when people tell me I'm always hungry, I can bet you most times. You're not really hungry. They're not hungry.

Starting point is 01:02:11 Yeah, it's a craving. They've either connected that food for them, makes them feel better when they're stressed or when they're bored. To be honest, the choice of words we just need to change. And I know this triggers some people, but think of it like somebody who's addicted to drugs. If you're yo-yo back and forth,

Starting point is 01:02:32 it's like you're on and off drugs all the time. And that feeling when you're coming off the drugs, that's the addictive feeling. That's what these people are mistaking as hunger. That feeling that you have of wanting to go eat more or eat this stuff or craving these certain foods, like that's your body trying to break free of that and that going through that withdrawals.

Starting point is 01:02:52 And what happens is many people restrict for a while, and then they fall off and they bench and they yo-yo back and forth like that, because they're still addicted to all of these foods that they haven't cycled off of or got out of their system for long enough. And they're still at this point because the point that I know you're alluding to right now, Salah, it's like, I don't, I don't think there's anybody in the United States that's hungry.

Starting point is 01:03:16 Like we just, we, unless you're some competitor that's been dieting for eight weeks and you've been in a caloric restriction for a thousand calories or more deficit for six plus weeks. Maybe you've felt a little bit hunger, but most people we don't. Yeah, it's unfortunate because, I mean, for me, fasting was really enlightening for that, but this is not the type of person I would recommend to go through a fast, but just understanding how much is tied into, you know, just your daily routine

Starting point is 01:03:47 and then hanging out with people and then all these things that come up that food makes its way into, you know, that you mistake that for hunger. It's just like kind of differentiating between true hunger and, you know, when it's just, it's a convenience or it's a thing that is part of my regular routine.

Starting point is 01:04:04 I expect, so we just had a trip a trip right we were going to the Grand Canyon with the families and we're sitting there and at the end of the night we put the kids to bed and we're playing card games or whatever and we had bought chips and nuts we had cashews peanuts and potato chips and I mean we had just eaten massive meal we've been drinking we're sitting there playing cards the chips and the nuts are in front of me and I'm fucking eating them. Just eating them. And I know if I stopped and paid attention like oh man I'm full like my stomach's not feeling good but if I don't pay attention that shit's just going to my mouth and I'm eating a thousand calories worth of cashews and potato chips just because it's in front of me.

Starting point is 01:04:45 The thing I'm going to recommend to you is this, start to identify what is triggering, what you think is hunger. Start to identify that. So start right there. So think to yourself, okay, today, here's the foods I'm going to eat. I've identified that I need to eat 1500 or 1600 calories today in order to be a calorie deficit. If you want to figure out how to put yourself in calorie deficit, I will refer you to older

Starting point is 01:05:09 episodes or even recent ones where we talk about how to figure that out. But let's say you figured out that your body's burning 2,000 calories a day, so you want to be the deficits, you're like, okay, I'm going to schedule and plan my food so that I eat 1,600 calories that'll put me at about a 400 calorie deficit. That means you're going gonna start burning body fat because you're eating less than you're burning, right? So plan it out. Now start eating it.

Starting point is 01:05:29 Now during the day when you find yourself wanting to eat something else, stop the process. Stop, don't just automatically act. Think to yourself, why am I wanting to eat something else right now? Is it because I'm bored? Am I stressed? Is it because I'm watching TV? Sometimes it's activities that'll that'll trigger Cravings. You don't have to be stressed or or angry or depressed or any that stuff. Sometimes it's activity

Starting point is 01:05:55 I know people that have to always eat something when they watch TV I know people that have to anytime they go in a drive for longer than an hour They got to have snacks in the car because it just triggers them. I know people that have to eat something when they're sitting around a table just having a good time with friends. I know people who have to eat something,

Starting point is 01:06:14 I've had clients who have to eat something when they're just at home alone. I just like to snack on something while I'm reading or whatever. So stop yourself and start to identify what's going on and then figure out something else instead of it. So let's say you're stressed out. Let's say it's when you're stressed out

Starting point is 01:06:27 or when you're sad, stop, okay, I'm not gonna eat. Let me do something else instead. Maybe I meditate, maybe I walk, maybe I read, or maybe I just write down how I feel. Up, I'm having a craving right now, it's 6 p.m. Maybe you don't even know why. You don't have an identify to yet. Sometimes it takes a second for you to start to identify

Starting point is 01:06:46 what's going on, but stop the process, stop the cycle, identify it, that's step number one, and believe it or not, that's the hardest step. Once you do that, then it becomes a little bit easier because then you get to the point where like, okay, oh, I'm really craving something. I know I'm not hungry, but I'm craving something. I always crave something when, you know,

Starting point is 01:07:03 I'm at home by myself and I'm kind of bored. All right, but I'm craving something. I always crave something when I'm at home by myself and I'm kind of bored. All right, let me stop this process, let me think about what's going on. And if you still want to eat something, go ahead, but at least you're aware because one of the biggest, I'd say, enemies of people in this situation is that unaware eating, that consistent, constant,

Starting point is 01:07:22 like, oh, before I know it, I ate, whole bag of chips or whatever. I love that idea of journaling. I love the idea of, you know, if you really want to solve this, because sometimes people ask questions like this and they don't really give a fuck to try and fix it. Because to me, that's the first step, like, really care.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Like, really care to try and get to the bottom of the stuff. If you really care, I think that's an incredible step, because there is going to be such an individual variance. Like some people are stress eaters, some people get to eat because they're celebrating or excited. There's going to be lots of things of why you potentially could be this person who's eating mindlessly. And one of the best things you probably can do is every time you have this, you know, quote unquote, hunger feeling is journal and just track. And you could probably piece together what it is. You know, is it, oh, wow, that's crazy. Every time that I talk to my partner, I freaking feel like

Starting point is 01:08:12 if it seems like you'd have to phone, I got to eat something like, oh, wow, maybe they're stressing me out. I'm doing this. Oh, man, every time I sit down and I watch TV, I all said, want to eat this or, oh, wow, man, every time I get done from a meeting at work, I feel like I got to eat this. Oh wow, man, every time I get done from a meeting at work, I feel like I got to eat. Just start tracking and journaling when you have these and I bet without us, you could piece together what is probably triggering this.

Starting point is 01:08:34 And then here's another tip. Do not fill your house with highly palatable, heavily processed, easy and convenient foods. So just your house should only have, if you're this person, if you're this person, if this is you, and you're like, man, this is tough for me, only fill your house with whole foods and meals that need to be prepared, okay?

Starting point is 01:08:57 Because what'll happen is this is what'll happen, you have promised, you'll have no snacks in the house, you'll just have like, you know, meat and fruit, and you know, foods you have to cook or whatever. And you'll sit there and be like, oh, I'm, I think I'm hungry right now. And then you'll think like, oh, shit, I got nothing in the house. Never mind. Boom. There's a, there's a hint that you're not hungry. There's, you know, the never mind that I don't okay fine. I'm too lazy to fucking drive to the store to buy something or whatever. That means you're probably more you're probably not more often than not

Starting point is 01:09:25 You know, I sit tell clients that there's no such thing as snacks clients would you I this would be a such a comment writing a meal Well, what do I do? What kind of snack food check it? I go there's no such thing as snacks What do you mean? There's no such thing as snacks. I said there's either Complete meals or incomplete meals. That's all there is either you're eating a Spectacled cheese, right? You're either eating a complete meal when you sit down and eat or you're sitting down to eat an incomplete meal and snacks are incomplete meals so we don't want to us We want complete meals only and so that just making clients do that and they're like oh, okay, so Like yeah, no if you're gonna sit down and you want something and you want to just snack on something like no sit down and have a meal

Starting point is 01:10:02 Make a prepared meal that's balanced and if you really don't feel like doing that, you're probably not that fucking hungry. Yeah, it's funny because my kids right there have to time with their mom and have the time with me. And their mom, although she eats much healthier than the average person, she definitely has snacks. I have none. You come to my house, oh, you want a snack?

Starting point is 01:10:21 Okay, go make yourself some, we'll grill some chicken up for you or something like that. And so my kids will be there and they'll be at my place half the time and it's funny because my kids will sit there and be like, oh, I want a snack. What do we have? And I'll be like, well, I can make you this kind of a sandwich or we can do this.

Starting point is 01:10:36 Oh, I don't want that. I'm hungry. And it's like, it's so like glaring. Yeah. You know what's going on here? It's like, you're not hungry. Because if you were hungry, any food, you wanted a little tasty treat. Yes, you know what's going on here, you're not hungry, because if you were hungry, any food you wanted a little tasty treat. Yes, you wanted an actual snack.

Starting point is 01:10:49 So a limit, get rid of those in your house, and yes, it's gonna suck. You're gonna have to go through like a challenging period. And by the way, when you're journaling and you're doing all this, it's gonna suck more before it gets better. So I wanna be clear with this. As you start to do this, it's not gonna be easy,

Starting point is 01:11:04 and not only is it not going to be easy, but it's going to be harder than it is now, because all of a sudden, you're going to become aware of all your feelings, of how you feel, how often you get craving. In fact, your cravings may increase at first. You make this explosion of symptoms at first, because you're becoming more aware,

Starting point is 01:11:21 fight through it, continue through the process. I promise, at the end of it, that awareness is going to make it a lot easier. Next question is from Willie Hammer. In your opinion, what career paths are in demand that include health, nutrition and fitness? I'm a full-time local truck driver and I've become very interested in overall health and wellness and I've been in contact with many online schools, just ensure what field to go in. I was doing some reading not that long ago, and I saw that occupational therapist and physical therapists, this is if you want to go the medical route or just high demand. Yeah, just increasing in demand because of the aging population.

Starting point is 01:12:01 Well, yeah, the aging population in general, I think, is a really good focus. If you were to consider the health fitness market as, you know, this industry is in terms of like what would be the most lucrative and, you know, the most potential and opportunity there because, you know, as a, like, the whole baby boomer, you know, generation, I mean, they're all looking for ways to avoid pain, get back to healthy places. And if you really want to vest yourself in a lucrative side of this industry, I think that there's lots of opportunities. But it's not just the baby boomers, you're seeing now a spike in kids. That need physical

Starting point is 01:12:43 therapy and I love the so my best friend that I was this weekend that I was with Justin. So he's a PTA and I think there is huge opportunity right now in that field especially as a PTA. So obviously going to be come a D.P.T. so getting your doctorate and physical therapy is quite is a lot of schooling and not really at home get done, Tygedil. But a PTA, I think you can go through, I think 18 months of school to get certified to be able to do that. And then you work underneath a DPT.

Starting point is 01:13:15 And what's happening right now is like the wild, wild west right now there. And which whenever I see that, it's what reminds me of what I saw cannabis or reminds me when I saw podcasting. There's just, there's a lot of room for someone good to come in and do things well. So what's happened is a lot of hospitals are now doing, are outsourcing their physical therapy. In the past, it was very normal for a hospital to have like a, in, in, in hospital PT clinic. And that was all kind of wrapped in the whole

Starting point is 01:13:47 Medicare system and that you would come in and your insurance would cover that. Well, what's happening is insurance companies are not wanting to to cover that amount. And so it's now open up the room for people to go and make and start their own. And now go to because it's cheaper instead of having the facility and running it there. It's cheaper for them to have these PTAs go to the house of the person and continue their physical therapy in their own home. And they're getting, they're getting better service for cheaper, for cheaper money and insurance companies are willing to spend that. So that opens up opportunity for someone to start your own or get on, but he's doing, like he works for three private companies

Starting point is 01:14:27 right now and he like has a different name badge and all he does is drive around to houses all day long. And each company, he tells the company like company A, he says, I'm available Monday, Wednesday, Friday from these hour blocks and they load his schedule up. And he drives around on the other company, other, and he makes a premium rate for it because he's coming to their house. And there's lots of opportunity to do it well.

Starting point is 01:14:51 And he was telling me that he's like, man Adam, he's like, there's so much money in it right now. And so many people are doing it. He's like, there's a lot of shitty service. A lot of people that just don't spend the time, they're just trying to bust through people. And yeah, so you want an area that I think there's a lot of options.

Starting point is 01:15:07 So much that I wanted him to do something with us. We're just not at that place where we're gonna get into the medical side and the physical therapy side. That's really interesting because I've heard that the concierge of physicians has really taken off too, like them traveling to people's houses

Starting point is 01:15:23 and servicing them or being available by text or phone or email. And so this is the future, I think, of health for us. Like, I think we're getting to the point where the automation is getting to, to where, you know, in the past, like, okay, if you want to go just ask your doctor about something, like you have something going on, you'd have to schedule appointment, you got to wait two weeks, you go in the CM, he's only got a 15 minute window to see you, it's like what does he normally do? Trouble shoots it and sends you to a specialist, right?

Starting point is 01:15:51 We're a lot of this stuff now, if you have access and I know some of these hospitals offer this in some of these services where you can communicate via text with the doctors and then like you're alluding to just the next step is that it's just kind of out. You can even send pictures like if you have a rat or whatever, take a picture of it, send it to the doctor, they'll look at it and diagnose you. So yeah, I think there's a, you know, going that direction, I think there is a lot of opportunity there.

Starting point is 01:16:16 Well, especially with kids, dude. So I'm just gonna get to your point, Sal, that I think that there's another area I've said on the show before, that I think that one of the biggest things we're gonna be talking about in the next five to 10 years in the fitness space is physical therapy and stuff around kids.

Starting point is 01:16:33 And I think it's gonna be largely due to the lack of exercise, the lack of play, and the overuse of these tools like iPads and computers and phones. We've never seen a generation that has, was born with an iPad in front of their baby crib and old enough to get an iPhone right away by the time they're walking and then with them

Starting point is 01:16:57 their whole life and what it's causing is a lot of postural issues and a lot of imbalances that I think are gonna be a major topic for the health and fitness patients. Kids are coming in with back pain, neck pain, shoulder pain, which was almost nonexistent for children, unless they injured themselves playing on the playground or something, kids didn't have neck pain or back pain.

Starting point is 01:17:19 It just didn't exist. Now you're seeing a huge spike. I mean, we are literally witnessing the most de-conditioned generation that we've ever seen. And I know it's gotten worse generation over generation, but there was a huge difference. Okay, so obviously if I go back to my parents' generation, they were more physical than my generation was, right?

Starting point is 01:17:38 Obviously, because they did more hard labor and all that stuff. But the jump or the difference between our generation and our children's generation is light years. It's so much bigger because we went from playing all the time to almost never playing to the point where, drive around neighborhoods. See if you see any kids outside. You just don't.

Starting point is 01:17:58 So I think there's a huge opportunity there for that kind of therapy, physical therapy, occupational therapy, but specifically for working with kids, that's going to be a huge, huge demand. And I think to YMCA is a good example, but I think they could do even more a better job as far as availability of access to different gymnasiums in the community or having a gym that is just specialized around having its structure around kids play, things like that that you don't get offered

Starting point is 01:18:33 anymore in schools. If they don't have it at schools and somebody comes into that area that privately owns a facility that addresses that problem, I think they would kill it. Yeah, absolutely. And here's the other side of it too. Personal training. I too, personal training.

Starting point is 01:18:45 I still think personal training is going to continue. It has grown year-over-year for a long time. I think it'll continue to grow. Now, the difference is that there's much more competition nowadays than there used to be. You've got to have to be pretty good or at least specify in a particular area. I think working with kids is one way you can do it.

Starting point is 01:19:03 Working with the elderly is another place. You can start to put your focus, but personal trainings still in demand, and I think it'll continue to be in demand for a long time. And here's a cool thing. Let's say you do wanna go be a PTA, like Adam's saying. While you're going to school for that, being a part-time trainer in a big box, James.

Starting point is 01:19:21 There you go. It's a perfect, it's a great, great combination. That would be perfect, I think. if I could give someone a business advice that wants to be in this space is, over the next two years, is go to like a physical therapy school to get your PTA license while at the same time working at a big box, gym part time. Perfect combination. Yeah, beautiful combination.

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