Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1034: Conventional Deadlifts vs. Trap Bar Deadlifts, How a Physical Job Affects Muscle Growth, the Impact of Pre-Workouts on Fat Loss & MORE

Episode Date: May 18, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the traditional deadlift vs. a trap bar deadlift, LISS at work and maintaining an anabolic state, pre-workout's affect on the fat burning process and Doug's health and wellness journey. The nostalgia of 80s movies: Good and bad. (4:37) Sal recaps the 2nd day of the handgun training course. (10:12) How Sal uses Brain.fm to fall asleep after a rough day. (14:35) Recipe for a great weekend: Adam’s new Traeger Grill and the ‘Ultimate BBQ Bundle’ from Butcher Box. (17:50) The rise of the ‘sober bar’ + how Justin is lowering his alcohol intake. (23:18) How Mind Pump will be changing the format to their next live event. (28:10) Why it’s not enough about the information, but the behavior to create change. (30:50) Burger King continuing their brilliant marketing: The company to test delivery in terrible traffic jams. (36:00) How people are profiting over hysteria: EMF shielding garments are on the rise. (39:09) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on the traditional deadlift vs. the trap bar deadlift? As I get older, should I switch to the trap bar to save my back? (43:35) #Quah question #2 – For people who get extra LISS at work (for example in construction), what effect does that have on maintaining an anabolic state? (54:44) #Quah question #3 – Does pre-workout affect the fat burning process? If it gives you energy, does that mean the body doesn’t feel the need to burn fat? (1:02:12) #Quah question #4 – When will we get to hear Doug's story? What has his health and wellness journey been like? What does Doug think about anything and everything? (1:13:45) People Mentioned Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Mark Manson (@markmansonnet)  Instagram Luke Storey (@lukestorey)  Instagram Rich Gaspari (@richgaspari)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned May Promotion: MAPS HIIT ½ off!! **Code “HIIT50” at checkout** Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Check out Mind Pump Live to get tickets for their next live event! Visit Legion Athletics for a special offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** The Rise of the Sober Bar Burger King tests delivery in terrible traffic jams MAPS Fitness Prime Pro | Muscle Adaptation Programming - Mind Pump Mind Pump 892: Rich Gaspari Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, fun, so. Before we get into the fitness stuff, here's what we talked about. We brought up some 80s movies, some of our favorites and how some of them were awesome back then. And then we watched them down the suck. Thanks. We talked about my gun shooting lessons last night. That was my second class, trying to be safe.

And my high intensity interval training workout actually followed one of the maps hit workout barbell complexes in my garage it was 20 minutes of pure calorie burning it's a mask kicker I got to get in shape for that had trouble sleeping and then I used brain dot FM brain FM plays sounds that will help you sleep focus or or relax. I'm not joking. It's creepy how effective the technology is anyway. If you go to brain.fm forward slash mind pump, you'll get a fat 20% off. Then Adam talked about his new trigger grill and the ultimate barbecue bundle from butcher box, which includes two pounds of ground beef, baby back ribs

and two New York strip steaks. You better save some for Justin and I'm expecting some pal. That is only available for two weeks. It is. Okay. So it's over in two weeks. So this will be done from, this is from May 15th to June 1st. You got to go to butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump.

Then we talked about the rise of sober bars. What the hell? I guess these are bars where people don't drink alcohol. Exciting. That's boring. Then we talked about our event in Manhattan Beach. It's coming up and this one's a little different with this event before we start the live Q&A.

We're going to hang out with you guys, drink some beers, shoot the shit, and have a great time. So let's loosen that a little bit. Much more of a hangout than the other ones before. This one's a special one. I think we have some tickets still available, hopefully by the time this airs. Go to mindpumplive.com to sign up. It's on June 6th in Manhattan Beach, and this is an LA. Then we talked about the train, the behavior, not the information.

This is what trainers, good trainers do. Good trainers focus on behaviors and not so much about teaching people, tons and tons of information and science. Then we brought up an article about Burger King. They came up with a brilliant way to deliver their burgers to you when you're stuck in traffic, holy cow, and then Justin talked about a new wireless radiation blocking beanie. Then we get into the fitness part of this episode.

The first question, what are the differences between a traditional straight bar deadlift and a trap bar deadlift? A little bit of a controversy in that part of this episode. We had a little bit of a debate, you'll love it. Next question, for people who get a lot of activity at work like construction, what effect does that have on maintaining anabolic state?

In other words, how will that affect my muscle building process? And the next question, do pre-workout supplements affect the fat burning process? If it gives you energy, does that mean the body doesn't need to burn as much body fat? Do they benefit the muscle building process? Or is it just fun times with supplements right before you work out? We're, you know, pre-workouts, splitting hairs, probably doesn't make a big difference. But a lot of you love them. We do have a hookup at LegionEtheletics.com.

Just use the code Mind Pump. And the last question. This person wants to hear all about Doug's story. So Doug goes into his whole story in regards to fitness and wellness. So here, why Doug at his age looks younger than we do. You've been asking for it. Either he's a vampire or you're going to learn some awesome knowledge in that part of this episode. He has some hidden elixir. Also, maps hit. That is our most effective fat burning program

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50 for the discount Do it now Everybody Once to rule the world never fucking let anybody else sing Every time you start the song off he's got to finish it stingy. Hey man, like that's that's my jam Hey, wasn't that the end the song at the end of a very iconic 80s movie which one oh 16 candles nope one of those like that, right? Nope. It's not oh it's not like that you stomp me you don't know I don't

Breakfast club was it Just ask you that no breakfast club. I know Yeah, that's like that crew right did part of the oh yeah, they called they're called the Molly Ringwall. Yeah, yeah, they're called the Judd something the Juddapetal no, just get Brad Pat. Yes, thank you, Doug. Thank you. That's back when Doug was see that's when he was making the rounds.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that was my prime for sure. He's on the prowl. That's when he was in the, you're still in your product. Doug, is, when you think of like epic movies of your time as a kid growing up, does that fall in that category? You know, I never got into those movies at all. Oh, really? That's before they had sound.

Yeah. You know, the first real movie I really got into is Back to the Future. Oh, really? Yeah. Great Scott. That's a, that's a, that's a classic. That's, dude, I love movie.

He, he, he, he, Lewis in the news intro. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great music in that one. I loved it. I loved the, the goonies is still one of my favorites of all time. No, still, yeah, just such a great movie. So good. But you know, when you get all like, Truffle, chef, full.

What was it about 80s movies though? And what do you call those machines that you make that are, I said it once. Time machine. No machines that you make that are I said at once. Time machine. No machines that you make that are just for no reader elaborate to do. Oh yeah, no, I brought that up. It was a rude. Good goal.

Goldberg. And 80s movies had a thing with that. Dude, they thought see if and here was something I was thinking about a long time ago, like what if that was the answer to inventing things? Like you had to have this sequence all lined up for something to happen. You know, like they would have, you had to have this sequence all lined up for something to happen. You know, like they would have, you know,

some mouse. Explain what you're talking about. Okay, so, oh, the mouse trap. Well, yeah, you get like a mouse trap, you get like some pendulum where it swings and then it hits a bowling ball and it rolls down. No, the game mouse trap, that's a good example.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Oh, yeah, the game mouse trap was based off of the Ruben Goldberg. Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, you did bring that up just a long time ago. But remember in Goonies, the way that they ring the doorbell, like pulls a thing and it does this whole elaborate thing to open the gate or whatever?

You saw that in so many of those movies where they're like, you know, oh, I'm this crazy scientist that came up with like inventions. It's always that shitty invention where like it gets the toast to like, you know, come out. Have you guys watched any? I guess you're right. I didn't think about that with all those movies. Oh, it was like a thing for a second. Yeah.

That's why that mouse trap came out. Mouse trap, the game came out in the 80s because I think because it was a thing for a second. Yeah. It was one of my favorite games, by the way. It was a random fun fact. It was awesome. Or is that a fact? Uh, fact.

Yeah, I think it's a fact. We're going to go with fact. Wait, did I say it? Yeah, it's a fact. Oh, you said it. Did you guys, are there any movies you watched in the 80s as a kid or maybe early 90s that you watch later on and you're like, wow, this sucks.

I thought it was good. The kid was not good at all. Yeah, what was the one, cloaking dagger? Is that crap? Yeah, it's not very good. But you liked it when you did it. Oh, I loved it. I probably watched that movie, but Jillian Time is a kid, man.

That was a, that was a favorite go to. And then you watch it later on. It's like, oh, this is really bad. A cloaked dagger. Yeah. That's so one of the kids gets the, the Atari game. And he's, and he's, yeah, and he meets the, oh God, I don't even remember the character.

It's been so long since I've seen that. I watched it like, I don't know, 15 years ago, I tried to watch, I should say, like 15 years ago, to see like what happened. Dude, mine was Teen Wolf. I was like, yes. I was so bummed out on that, because I remember like it being awesome and hilarious

and all this stuff and it was just so bad, dude. It was so cheesy. Yeah, I was watching it with my kids and things have changed quite a bit. First off when you're watching it, it's a PG movie. Oh, there was gratuitous titties. Yeah, it shouldn't be flying out of it. It should be PG.

It's okay, but yeah, he goes in the, when he goes in the closet with the girl and then she scratches up the shirt and he's surfing on the top of a car. My kids are watching, it's like that's dangerous. It's like, why would you do that, so? I'm like, yeah. It's a frivolous. Teenagers used to do crazy shit. You couldn't surf the top of a car. My kids are watching, it's like that's dangerous. It's like, why would you do that, so? I'm like, yeah. It's a frivolous.

Teenagers used to do crazy shit. Yeah. You couldn't surf the top of a car. Some of those movies are really good still. I think breakfast club is. Practice club is great. It's time to watch, right? You could watch that.

Dude, lost boys for me. I always love that movie. Love lost boys. I told Jessica about it. I'm like, this is, Kishu's talking about how great Twilight is. I'm like, listen. Twun! I'm like, listen. I'm like, this is, she used to know how great Twilight is. I'm like, listen. Twutton.

I'm like, listen. Glitter vampires fuck you. I'm like, it's a, Twilight, not you, Jess. Twilight is a good, it's a good love story I get, but not a great vampire.

The lost boys, those were vampires. So I showed her, and she's like, this is dumb. I was like, oh my God. I'm like, ha ha ha. Oh my God. Terrible. Yeah, I don't know. Like, we're still together. Yeah.

We're still together. We made it through that rough patch. Yeah. I remember, remember flight of the navigator? Yes. Oh yeah. That's the eye, right? Yeah.

And then the spaceship that changed, I come down, he picks up all this plant life and different. That was another favorite of the kid. Was that a terrible, have you watched that one? Yeah, it's not that good. Yeah. It's not that good is an adult, not at all a kid. Was that a terrible, have you watched that one? No, it's not that good. It's not that good is an adult, not at all. Yeah.

So standards have changed, you know. Yeah. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Hey, I saw, you know, you, now, you're full on Magnum PI and I see you're at the shooting range. Yeah, so last night was the second day of our handgun training course and we got to fire, I fired guns before. You knew the mustache, dude.

Why? I'm picturing this one. Oh, just the mustache, yeah. Terrible. Bro, I would look like a lesbian. I would look like a lesbian. Just a mustache. Yeah, picture me with just the mustache.

Shootin' guns, yeah. You wouldn't trust me for a second. Anyway, no, so we got to fire guns and shoot at targets. And it was cool because there was a couple people in the class that had never, ever handled the gun before. And they were not, they were pretty frightened. Like they'd get the gun and you could tell the like, the first time you do it is, I mean, I was a young kid the very first time, but I mean, the first time you do it, it's a very powerful tool that you're wielding, you know what I'm saying?

Kill something. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a lot of fun though. The main reason why we're doing it is because first off, we want to be safe because we're thinking about getting one. But what a great activity to do with your partner. Yeah. Does Jessica really enjoy it? Yeah. Yeah. I think how fun that will be with your significant other, go to the range, shoot some targets,

you know, go home. You guys need to go do the clay shooting over. I've never done that, bro. And Katrina, love that. We've done that a couple times now. I want us as a group to do it. I keep bringing it up to you guys. We need, it's not that hard to set it up for the day.

It's, and it'd be great to do it like on a weekday afternoon. We'd have the whole course to ourselves and go do that. I think that'd be a blast. Inside the classroom, there were quotes from that support the Second Amendment. Obviously, they're a big Second Amendment place because they sell guns and stuff. There was one really good quote that I read. I'm going to see if I can find it right now. I posted it in my story about, I think it was John Adams.

I'm going to read it to you guys. It was really good. And he said, oh, here it is. The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed, which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, which is definitely more true today, where the governments are afraid to trust the people

with arms. How cool is that? Yeah, that's awesome. Like, that's literally what he said. This is, you know, you're talking about, this is one of the founding fathers talked about how other governments are afraid to trust their own people with guns.

I thought that was a very interesting one. Interesting one. Isn't it? Isn't it cool? So we did that yesterday. Before that, I did a short hit workout from our maps, hit program, which I hadn't done in a long time. When's the last time you guys did?

I did like a barbell complex, like a month or two ago, and just to interrupt my normal routines, and it destroyed me. I was just gonna say, how did you feel? Like just totally cash. Dude, I was embarrassed at my lack of stamina. Yeah, right? Like not good.

It was not good at all. I did, and I did a grand total of 20 minutes max. Yeah. So I'm doing my, my, my cycle, and I did a grand total of 20 minutes max. So I'm doing my cycle, and I threw in some sled drives in there, and I had that old, like, it's a totally different feeling, right? It's like your lungs, or it's not like your muscles hurt.

Yeah. It's like your lungs are dying. Yeah. You're not feeling very good. And it's just on fire internally. Yeah, so we did a few rounds from Maps hit, one of the barbell complexes, which, Jessica was asking me all about the calorie burn

and the fat burn, and I'm like, well, it's the afterburn that you get from these type of programs. And it also has far less of a muscle losing effect. In fact, you may actually build a little bit of muscle with this, so we're talking about it. Had that hard workout, did the gun range, got home, couldn't sleep, it was too worked out. I'll adrenaline.

Yeah, I was worked up from the workout. What time was it that you guys did that at? The gun course was from 6.30 and ended at 9. But it was up in Santa Clara. When was the hit workout? The hit workout, I finished right before we left for the course. Oh wow. So I went hit, ate some food real quick,

drove over there, did the course, I'm hyped, you're in loud guns, really, really bright lights, no blue light, blockers or anything like that. Get in the car, we're talking on the way home excited, get home and I'm laying there and I'm like, fuck, I need to wake up at the latest by 6.30. It's already 11 o'clock. I can't, I just can't sleep.

I'm way too worked up. So I haven't done this a long time, brain of them. Ah. Put brain of them on. The only time I use brain of them to sleep is on a plane. I use it every time I'm on a plane. I put it right on and it works, but I haven't used it for like bedtime and a long time. Whoa, that shit's creepy.

Did you? Did you? Did you? Did you know, like when you're going to have a night like that just by the event, like I know that a couple things. One, if I have a caffeinated drink beyond 4 p.m., I'm almost guaranteed I'm gonna have a night like that. If I work out beyond four or five o'clock, I'm almost guaranteed I'm gonna have that.

If I do something like that, that's shooting gun, something that gets my adrenaline, my blood pumping, beyond six, seven o'clock at night, I'm almost, do you know that? Like, as you're going through it, or is it like set in after like, ah, fuck. You know, I'm usually pretty good. I don't typically have issue, many issues falling asleep,

but I do, I do prioritize sleep because I notice the quality is better. But falling asleep has never really been too much of an issue, but I could tell because normally I lay down and within, you know, 10 minutes, I can feel like I'm falling asleep. I'm gonna fall asleep. I was laying there for 45 minutes with my eyes closed and just wanting to move every five,

you ever do that, you just want to keep shifting? So I'm like, I'm not gonna move. I'm just gonna stay in one position. I'm trying to think of certain things to get myself relaxed. Can't get that comfortable spot. Yeah, I start doing the whole thing where I'm staring at the inside of my eyelids

to try and distract myself so I could not work and not working, put brain FM on. For five minutes, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, this is not working. Next thing I know, I wake up because it, you know, I had put the short nap version on, which was only like 30 minutes. And I woke up because it turned off and I was like,

oh shit, so I gently took off my headphones. And so you play back asleep, you'll do it with your head. I'll actually, Katrina loves it too. We'll play it on our bows. That's what you say. Yeah. And it works just as good. I shouldn't say it works just as good.

With my head, when it's in my noise-canceling headphones, I definitely, I think it works faster for me, but it works just as damn near as good for us. We actually think it makes the dog sleep better too. You're kidding. Yeah, this is totally anecdotal. I don't know for sure if it does or not, but it's an opposite effect.

Like it tells the dogs to get crazy. Oh, it definitely doesn't do that. But Katrina and I always talk about them being, you know, not being restless through the night when we played in there for us too. So there was a kick there where we were doing it like every night because it was so amazing. But now I try and use it like how you're saying where,

when I think I need it, I'm gonna use it and I try and pull. But just interesting to think about though, because I was, you know, I told you guys I play guitar and stuff like when I get home and I kind of do my thing. And every time I do that do my thing and every time I do that my dog comes in and then lays on the ground right in front of me and he it's like he loves just sitting there listening to me No way. Yeah, it's a trip It's like he's totally into it and then he he gets relaxed and then he falls asleep

And then when I stop, yeah, then he shits on me and and bites me. Yeah He's like that's so suck. Deputtion. My master sucks. Yeah. Are you guys terrible song? Are you guys gonna make it over to my place after the Mark Manson interview this weekend? Oh, I have my son has his eighth grade dinner,

like graduation dinner for the parents. But I was gonna say this, this is kind of weird. I got to play off, bro. Yeah, this is, no, you guys, me and Doug will get it down this side. Well, I was just gonna say, it's kind of weird because I know that butcher box said that they sent us a barbecue bundle.

Yeah. Which is, what's in a barbecue bundle, Doug? Isn't it like ribs and ground beef? Yeah, two pounds of ground beef, baby-back ribs, two New York strip steaks. That's like a lot of meat. Yeah. That they sent us a while ago, but Justin, have you seen it?

No, I have not. Yeah, I haven't seen you enough. You also haven't seen a grill. Yeah, and the grill. Adam, do you have any idea where any of this could be? Yeah, I saw someone in your Insta story where I was, hey, buddy. So this is how Taylor and Rachel were instructed as I said, listen, I saw someone your insta story where I was, hey, buddy, so this is how, this is how Taylor and Rachel are

instructed as I said, listen, I said, in the order of who deserves the barbecue, Trigger Grill the most, I said, Doug is probably first, but he actually owns one. Oh, he owns one. Yeah, he owns one already. I'm second, Justice third, South fourth. Okay.

Who's most, and this is in the order of who's most likely going to use it the most So I would I would use it. I feel like that was accurate right? I feel like I I I grew a lot we grill every week It's better in summertime. We grow multiple times a week And I'm sure Justin does too, but just in time all the way on Santa Cruz So yeah, you automatically get vetoed because yeah All the way on Santa Cruz. So yeah, you automatically get vetoed because Yeah, there's good trips. No one's gonna go where my place is right around the corner We're gonna make all that meat Saturday. Yeah, so the the goal is Doug and I Doug's and we're gonna Doug and I are gonna meet up before

Mark Manson comes for the interview get the smoke or going on the trigger right and get the ribs ready and so Him and I save some for us Yeah, you can always like, you know, aside, you know, a little cut. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. That's a lot of meat you've fed us. Well, I don't know if we're going to do, I mean, we got the box. That's their, that's their deal thing that it's going on right now. So they sent that over to us. I don't know if we're going to cook all that right now for sure. We're going to do the ribs. I've been telling Doug that I want his help.

This is my first experience with a pellet grill. So, yeah, explain the pellet, I've never used one. Yeah, so like heat well, if shit dug probably should probably explain it better than I do, because it's my first time. How does it work, what is it? Yeah, so the pellet grill has a bin where you put these wood pellets in.

So what the wood pellets are highly compressed wood. There's no fillers, no adhesives or anything like that. What they do is they take basically sawdust and they push it down with a lot of pressure and make these little pellets. And it goes into a bin and there's what's called an auger that is like a big screw that twists. And as it twists, it's feeding pellets into the ignition box. And there is a hot element in there that ignites the pellets and then it starts to smoke initially and then it will ignite the pellets and heat the grill

So it's pretty cool because as you grill say you want to keep your temperature at 300 degrees Fahrenheit you grill, say you want to keep your temperature at 300 degrees Fahrenheit. It will adjust the rate at which the pellets are put through the auger in order to control that temperature. So it's always keeping it right in that range. So that you get that smoky flavor at the same time. Yes, and then another thing is,

is there are no flare ups because it's indirect heat. So you don't have a big flame down there. So when the fat drops down, you get a big flare up. I mean, some people like that, but it also can burn your meat. So it doesn't do that's indirect, but the super cool thing about it, say for example, you have a whole chicken

that you wanna cook, you can put a whole chicken in. I think it's for about an hour and 15 minutes. Just turn it on, close the lid, don't open it for the entire time, open it up and you have a perfectly cooked juicy chicken with very crispy skin on it. Oh wow. So it's amazing.

And going on you have to turn it or anything. So yeah, my buddies have it and they're like, it will make the most perfect meat you've ever had. And because it's all digital, so it's all Wi-Fi, so it's connected through my phone. So you can program it all. Enclarator meat. Yeah. Are you ready yet?

Yes. Set it all up. And Doug was trying to school me on how to combine it with my sous-v, right? You said that you use a... Yeah, so I was experimenting one day. I thought, you know, I'm gonna have a kind of a smokey flavor, but I want to use the use the sous vide as well.

So what I did is I put it out in a trigger for like 15 minutes on smoke mode, and then I put it in the sous vide for a couple hours, got it up to my temperature, I think 135, for medium rare. And then I sear on both sides and eat it, fantastic. Wow, yeah, so is it hungry? When you're cooking the ribs in this thing,

are you trying to cook it for a long period of time? Yeah, you need to cook ribs for quite a long time because there's a lot of like sinew and, you know, connective tissue in ribs and it needs to break down over time. I think this Saturday, they're really gonna, you know, experiment with that and see what we can do to make them super tender and juicy.

Guys, man. I want some of them ribs, bro. Trigger meets butcher box. Experiment with that and see what we can do to make them super tender and juicy guys I want some of the ribs, bro. Trigger meets butcher box. Yeah, I'm super pumped Bring me some If there's any I bring the alcohol, but I've been actually trying to lower that down a little bit Oh, are you yeah, just a little bit It's something like so with Courtney and I, it's been nice every now and then to kind of relax as we're both kind of high-strong and I'm kind of decompressing for my day or what not. But we found that with anxiety and all these other things that we're trying to combat, like it's not really aiding in the sleep. And so if we get back to, you know, like less frequent,

drinking schedule, if you will. And so this is something I'm trying to look at other options, where if we go out, you know, we're not, we're not like grabbing beverages as we go out and hang out. Is that your guys' preferred way of just like, the kids go to bed? And yeah, you want a drink? Okay. Yeah, it's not necessarily cannabis and that's the thing is like I,

I've actually kind of moved in that direction like with the 5 milligrams, but like, yeah, I haven't really been able to convince her to give that. It doesn't have the same effect as her as much. So like, you know, just an alcoholic beverage every now and then has been good for that, not in excess or anything, but it's just adds up after a while. So anyway, I was looking and Jackie actually posted this new like resurgence or not resurgence, but this new sort of trend that's happening with bars where it's all these sober bars

where they have like non-alcoholic beverages, cocktails that are like super high priced and it has the whole vibe of like going to a bar and a pub. Sober bars. But they hang out and it's like drinking. It is an oxymoron. Like I'm like, this is a thing and it's like really popular. They're popping up all over the place. And I just thought that was really interesting.

I don't know if this is like, where this like phenomenon kind of came from. Because like for thought that was really interesting. I don't know if this is like, where this like phenomenon kind of came from, because like for me, that sounds lame. Well, one of the main reasons why you're like, I'm drinking for the effects of alcohol. That's why. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, think about it. Like you go to a busy bar. It's, it's almost not tolerable unless you're slightly buzzed. You know what I'm saying? Like there's so many people, you don't know anybody. Let's say you're single, you wanna meet someone. It's way more difficult when everybody's completely sober.

Well there's millions of people that drink decap coffee. I still can't figure that one out either. There's that too, right? Doug raises the terms to it. Yeah, I mean it's the player who's trying to get it from it. It's like that, right? Because I think there's a good portion of people that drink coffee mainly for the effects of it.

Now, I like the taste of coffee. I'm a coffee ice cream guy. I like coffee, the flavor of coffee. It's definitely been something that... Do you like the taste of black coffee? Not as much. Yeah, I like some sort of flavoring or cream or something with it to really, really enjoy it.

But all in all though, I like the taste of coffee, but more than I like the taste, I like the effect of it. I mean, that's what makes me pour a cup of coffee every single morning is not when I get up. I'm like, oh, I wanted this coffee taste in my mouth. It's like, I want to wake up. You know, the funny part is though, like these bars, they actually,

these drinks cost the bar owner more money than like the alcoholic beverages that they're producing because they sell it based off of like the ingredients. So like they're getting like this specialized honey from a certain part of the world. You know what I'm saying? They're really trying to like sell these cocktails is like like exclusive and like it's this atmosphere. But I just wonder what that atmosphere feels like when you're in there because it's like

social, but everybody's like social, but everybody's sort of not enhanced. Yeah, yeah, like I said. Is there a lot of these, or? Yeah, there is. Yeah. Is there like areas that are popular? Yeah, I think East Coast,

they highlighted quite a few of them that were kind of popping up around, and they're really like next door to like a nightclub. So it's like, they're really like next door to like a nightclub. So it's like it's they're trying to like, you know, get immersed within that same, you know, the proximity of all these other parts. Now that's now that's kind of a smart strategy, right? Because I could see there's always somebody in a nightclub that's there for the meeting people and the environment and dancing or whatever they make, in case maybe the social aspect of going to the bar.

That may not drink or want to drink. And if they knew that, oh, right next door, you mean, cause I could just see that, meeting somebody talking to them and you're not a drinker and you're like, hey, let's go next door, were they sure? Let's go next door, we're the board people are. Yeah, whatever, I'll grab my liquid death

and look cool for a second. Yeah, that's true, that's about it. That's true. But think about it. That's true. But think about it, like nightclubs and bars, just think of that environment, how intolerable would it be completely sober for a lot of people? Think about that.

Like go to a nightclub, like that environment sucks unless you're maybe, you're not, you know what I mean? Well, I would maybe, one of the things I didn't like about our, our Viori event was that was, it was so obnoxiously loud. Too loud, yeah. That I was trying to talk to, at least we lost my mind. You mean afterwards at the bar? Yeah, yeah, it's what I'm saying.

Like so I, well that's, so the next one we're doing, the next one I, at the format's different, which I think is gonna be interesting, where the format for the Manhattan Beach event we're going to hang around and have drinks before we do the live Q&A. Right, this time what they're doing I think is we're gonna shop. It's like shopping in beers, right?

I mean, we're gonna be at the Viori shop meeting people hanging out drinking beers. Do that for a little while and then do our live Q&A. I'm excited for that, because just to be able to talk in there, it's just so much easier. And a lot of these people are I can tell, like sharing really personal stuff and I want to be able to hear it in an engaging conversation where some of the times

the last event it was so loud that I felt myself kind of like nodding my head, but we're going to try and to figure out what did they just say. It's just too loud I think. So this will be interesting to see how this goes. Yeah, we also just getting older I think. Yeah, it could be. I'm excited that it might be like not as late as nine. Bro, we were up to like 3.30 just oh my god, it ruined me. Oh, yeah, I can't do that, dude. I can't do that. I can't what can't be energized It was fun dude. It was so fun

But it was like oh like getting back to reality the next week I feel like I just got back to normal. You know who's always up and going still dog He's the he is the night. He's the ever-living. That's what I call him. He's like he is a vampire It's something dude. I wouldn't be surprised like a gargoyle He's just like lives a night like if one day like Doug was here alone and like you open the door and he didn't know you were here and he's like fat he had vampire teeth and he's like he runs away I wouldn't I wouldn't be super shocked like for I first I'd be like what the fuck and they'd be like what was that I'd be like yeah yeah I kind of thought that's what's going on.

I won't tell anybody, Doug, don't worry. He's always like, just keeps sleep standing up. He's always like that. Back when we first created Maps and a Ballack before Mind Pump even, Doug and I went down to San Diego for these internet marketing conventions or whatever, where they're presenting different strategies and you're learning different things and at night We would get invited to hang out with people who were there and it was always me I was always the one that was like hey Doug think we should I think we should leave

And Doug would be like you sure you sure you don't want to just get the interesting looking all bright I'd like yeah, let's hang out you sure I'm like, it's like three o'clock in the morning dog. I don't know you should go back Just tens of energy. We can't keep up with Doug. Anyway, so last night because before I put the brain FM on, I was sitting there in bed, not able to sleep. And one thing that I value about that, I will say this, and Adam, maybe this happens to you more often

because you tend to have more issues of sleep, is sometimes they come up with great ideas or great ways of communicating certain ideas. And I was thinking and I was up and laying in bed and I was thinking, you know, the big mistake I think a lot of people make in the fitness space is that they push and train and teach information. That's what they focus on. Information, information, information, this is what's better, this is what's not good. Here's what a macro is, here's what different proteins do. And I get that, that's all very important. Where I think that they missed

the mark is they don't focus on training and pushing the behavior. Absolutely. You know, because I learned that later on in my career where it wasn't about the information as much as it was about the behavior I could teach a client all day long calories Macros activity best workout practice it, you know, but all that stuff But if I didn't get them to adopt a behavior it didn't even matter And so later on it was all about that. It was all about figuring out ways to get them to

it was all about that. It was all about figuring out ways to get them to change their behaviors in understandings and ways that will then benefit them as a side effect with their fitness and health goals and all that stuff. No, I 100% agree. I mean, it speaks to the part that I think that we talk about a lot, which is just the psychological part of this whole game is so much greater than the science and getting

back and forth and arguing over who's more right or what what new sciences came out to prove that this modality is better than that modality or this macro breakdown or ratios better than this. And it's like it's one of the most annoying parts I feel about our space is we tend to get into all these pissing contests with all of our peers on who knows more when it's like none of that matters if you can't get others to apply it or change behavior around it and be consistent. I wish our value would derive from that, right?

Like seeing what you have taught somebody and then you see them actually now applying it like all the time and then they're teaching it. And it's like this movement that happened because of just some seed that you're able to plant versus like, I know this and this is why I'm so right. Now this may be a bad analogy. I may not work, but what's coming to me is like martial arts, for example. You know, there's some martial arts that you can get a black belt

and you'll never have fought anybody. You know, there's some martial arts that you can get a black belt and you'll never have fought anybody. You'll never have hit anybody or gotten hit. You'll only maybe done sparring, but you would have learned, you know, 50 different versions of punches and kicks and all these elaborate moves. And then you have somebody who's a boxer,

who box is for two years and fights in the ring and spars with people. And that boxer knows four moves. He knows four punches. And the boxer, if you were to get into a confrontation where he had to defend himself, he or she would defend himself far better than the martial artist who's never applied anything and knows all these different, all kinds of information. They don't have any practices. they don't have any behaviors that have changed. Whereas the boxer, they behave a particular way when they get hit because they've been hit so many times.

They know how to throw a punch to make it connect because in the other subconscious. I remember watching, I remember this as a kid in high school watching this kid get his ass kicked. That was a black belt by another kid who had no discipline or degree of black belt or any sort of experience of that. But what he had was tons and tons of street fights. Kid was always in street fights.

And of course when you get into that situation like all teaching and learning all that stuff like not that it hurt that person but how much more the person who was applying that in real life situations. How much that carried over to how much more the person who was applying that in real life situations, how much that carried over to the success of the fight. Because it's become a part of their, for lack of a better term, behavior. This is true for teaching people about fitness and health. You could teach, somebody could be extremely knowledgeable about all kinds of different aspects of fitness and health, but if it doesn't become a part of their behavior, if they don't

change anything permanently, then what's the use? They have a lot of great information and that's about it versus the person who maybe doesn't know the difference between branch chaining amino acids, essential amino acids and non-essential amino acids, who doesn't know the difference between different types of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats? Who doesn't know the difference between the perfect times to eat, pre-impose, work out, or whatever, but has these behaviors where they take care of themselves? They're consistent with certain types of working out. They're good about eating a particular way.

That person's got far more success forever than the person who's got just shit tons of information. And so I think that's the big difference is, it's about pushing the behavior, the information comes second. You know, that stuff doesn't matter as much as, are you applying it and is it something that you're applying all the time? Hey, speaking of food, did you guys see what?

Burger King is up to? Oh, the delivery and traffic. Oh, my brilliance. Brilliant. So smart. So brilliant. Yeah, they tested this in Mexico City. Yeah.

Right? Is that what they did? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm gonna bring up the article because there was some cool stuff that I read on here. So it's an app that you have on your phone and the app connects to their media. So real-time data detected their potential buyers in a traffic jam.

Then because they're detecting them in a traffic jam, they're able to promote their services in high-congested areas or zones. So they can leverage traffic and drivers real-time data and adjust their billboards location and content. The message is displayed information about the remaining time in traffic. Hey, it looks like you'll be in traffic

for another 30 minutes or something like that. Here's 15% offer, $2 off, a wapper, we'll bring it right to your car. So wow. So crazy. How insane is that? Are they using, I mean, some kind of like a geotagger. Like, how does that work? They just find them on the phone, like some kind of like, yeah, so if you have the app, it's on.

And so then they can, they can see, oh, you know, Joe Smith or whatever, stuck in traffic, they're not moving. They could see what traffic looks like. He's gonna be in there for another 25 minutes. Some guy in a motorcycle just rolls up, hands you your whopper. Let's ping him. You know what I mean? Let's ping him. Hey, we got a Burger King. There's a Burger King 40, you know, half a mile away from you We can have a whopper to you in the next five minutes. This is why we are forever gonna have jobs Why did it take them so long?

This is why we were because at the same time as it's brilliant as I think it is It's like oh my god. This is feeding right into the things we talk about, just like eating at a pure boredom, right? Yeah, you're in traffic, you're like, and you're angry, oh, you're so pissed off, I'm seated here. But then you get pinged by this burger king after it gives you a lot of experience. I can go to some nuggets. Right, just, yeah.

Fuck it. Yeah, I'm here anyways. They orders increased 63% in one week. Wow. The app download rate increased 44 times to become the number one fast food app in Mexico. Is this the only, like Burger King's the only one doing this?

Yeah. Yeah. They're the first change. Wow. And it hadn't been able to get a catapult to them into being like the most profitable. It was McDonald's and Chick-fil-A or like two of the most profitable fast food chains.

Yeah. And as soon as Burger King did this and rolled this out, it like, do you ever came up with that idea and that company needs a raise? Oh, that's insane. Think about it though, you're stuck in track. I know, I don't know about you guys, if I was stuck in traffic and somebody offered me some fucking fries, there's no- Hey, Chick-fil-A, I'd be way more likely.

Chick-fil-A? 100% I know. Yeah, for sure. You would get me. Yeah. They just open up one. That's dangerous. Yeah, for sure. You would get me. Yeah. They just opened up one dangerous by my house. They're fucking blowing up. Chick-fil-A.

Oh yeah, I just read some of them. They're like the fastest growing chain right now as far as fast food restaurants is concerned. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, they're one of the most profitable restaurants. I have to try them. What? No, I haven't tried them yet.

What? Oh wow. You're missing it. I don't count it as fast food, so I'm a little tired of running this. Yeah. Dude, you guys missing. I don't count it as fast food, so I'm a little try to run this. Yeah. Dude, you guys like hear about this one. It's this crazy beanie that supposedly it's supposed

to block out all these wireless signals. Yeah. The hysteria people have towards like the radiation of cell phones and this 5G and all this stuff. Like it reminds me a lot of, you know, when like the mind calendar and and everybody's like doing this Doomsday prepping and all this stuff, it's like, you know, people get like really paranoid, the sky is falling and so now there's people profiting off of that hysteria.

No, I read the, I read the, it's like the Timfoil hat. It's basically a Timfoil hat, but it's a, it's a beanie. I will say this though, I've read some articles on 5G and experts in the field are questioning it. I'm a little worried, dude. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. And that's why it's funny. I saw that and I was like, it almost kind of convinced me

in a little bit like, hmm, maybe I should consider because yeah, 5G's, there's just like so much information out there that has me worried. They do, they have underwear and panties too. Yeah, yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I read the same articles to protect your company called lambs lambs Uh-huh. I was reading the same article. This is a protector like your your T-MF junk from the That's their website like that's the like the front of it is something about you know

reducing of it is something about reducing men's sperm count by like 50% or something like that due to like EMF and EMF radiation. So they're just praying on people's fear of that, a fear of the EMF and all that. So they're blowing up right now though. I mean, absolutely blowing up. We're to the one Adam that was saying that they were talking about putting things up in space to blast 5G or something like that so that everything's covered.

Yeah, no, that's the, they're all in this race to get it up there. And that's what I was telling you. Like, that just sounds crazy to me that we're going to have. It was like thousands of satellites. There's this micro waving. Yeah, and to connect it to get, and it sounds all great that we're going to all be so connected, but all I can envision is this like crazy, micro masses.

Especially after I did you see our buddy Luke Stories picture? I wanna know if that's real. Yes. He had, it's some, it was like all these different colored waves, that it was like a signature of waves that they took a picture of. And it was really cool looking,

I don't know if it's real or not, but it's definitely. I mean, go to artistic look. Go to our buddy Luke Story. It's on his Instagram page. It's about five or six photos back. So it was a cell phone and a Wi-Fi router, photographed using Kierlian photography, which is a collection of photographic techniques

used to capture the phenomena of electrical, coronal discharges. So I guess these photos show the EMF fields emitted by these devices. Yeah. And it's crazy because just by coloring it and showing you with colors makes you go like, oh my God. Is that really around me? Would I want my brain in the middle of that all the time? You're being, it's like like a baby will bathe in it.

Yeah, no, crazy, right? It is kind of a powerful imagery, like if you could see all the waves that were just floating around you constantly in the nation. I mean, you could do that with radio waves and other things too. But this one brings up some interesting conversations. Like I've heard people, and I'm not super privy to this,

so I'm not even gonna pretend to pick a side or have a strong opinion, but I have heard a few people who are experts in the field who are, they're apprehensive. They themselves are a little bit apprehensive about it and saying we don't know enough about it to be doing this to ourselves. Yeah, so I don't know, man. It's any of you wonder when it's gonna stop.

You know, 5G, 6G, 8G, like where are we gonna stop with it? When's it gonna be really crazy, I thought? Until then, I'm getting lined underwear and beanies. So, I'm on the train. You're dick doesn't get any reception. Yeah. This quas brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting

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trap bar deadlift as I get older should I switch to the trap bar to save my back? Yeah, you know, it's funny about this, as we are talking more and more to these athletic sports performance trainers, and also my own experience using a trap bar versus a straight bar for deadlifts. Just purely functional wise, I think a trap bar is probably straight bar for deadlifts. Just purely functional wise, I think a trap bar is probably superior. It's probably the better, if you had to pick one, it's probably better. I'm leaning in that direction too, Sal.

I mean, it's... You know, I challenge that. I think I agree with you for sure sports performance wise. And that just is mainly because you, you rarely ever are going to get 90 degrees or even close to 90 degrees in the squatted position in any real sport, you know, basketball, football, baseball, you're in this, you're the degree of Ben that you have in your knee is far closer to a trap bar than it is a full range motion deadlift.

So from athletic purposes, I definitely 100% agree with you, but for overall functional movement and benefits and the posterior chain that you get from a conventional deadlift versus. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not worth, I don't think it's worthless. I'm just saying if you said superior, I don't know. Yeah, if you had to compare the two and you had to pick one, because here's the thing, if it was only about the 90 degree bend or the small knee bend, then they would just stick to bar on the back type squats, but they don't, it's a carry, it's still a carry,

you know, done by the hands, it still acts, it still uses more posture to chain than a traditional squat wood. But I think it's more functional because it's safer. You can exert more power through a trap bar. You can displace the force a lot more effectively. I just think in terms of function too when I'm picking things up, like how much more I'm like hinging and really just isolated and focusing on my posterior chain getting involved versus like incorporating my entire body and like really getting down low and driving up using both simultaneously.

And the leverage with a trap bar is obviously superior. So like, for me at least I can deadlift with a trap bar roughly 80 more pounds can deadlift with a trap bar, roughly 80 more pounds than I can with a straight bar. Generally, so if I deadlift, like I say, my max is 5.30, I know I could do over 600 pounds with a trap bar. Also, a trap bar is way easier to teach a client to do a deadlift with a trap bar than a straight bar.

Straight bar takes way more, more skill. Yeah, risk versus reward. I mean, it kind of leans a little further than the trap bar, but I mean, I'm not trying to devalue the dead left. I think that's important as hell to learn and to master, but it is way more technical. Like, this is also why I would think it's better. You know, because it's more technical,

just because something is easier and more, doesn't, I would lean towards this like a squat, you know what I'm saying? Like is a leg press easier to teach than a squat is? You know, because it's way more difficult would not make me lean away from it. For me, it's even more important. It's more important that we work towards getting good

at the deadlift because I think it is more beneficial. Unless we're talking about athletics, athletics, especially with all the conversations that we've had with some of these elite coaches that are training athletes. Yeah, they use it. I totally see the value. It's almost exclusively trap bar.

Yeah, they don't use this, a straight bar for dead lifts at all. Yeah, because, and that makes sense to me, for an athlete, again, to my point with the knee bend in sports, you're just, you're never getting down that deep, you know? Yeah, and it's a limited range. Like, you just don't, yeah, you don't move your body like that, otherwise. But I do, again, to your point, is it being something that, you know, is very important. It is to really build up

that posterior chain, you know, for the athlete too. So, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. Deadlift's my favorite exercise of all time and I mostly deadlift with a straight bar. I mean, here's the big difference is this, straight bar deadlift, you're going to get more of the backside of your body. Yes. It's more posterior chain and it's more low back work than with the trap bar, which if done properly and you want to strengthen your low back, it's a great way to do it.

The other thing I know, it's so the trap bar is going to give you a little bit more quad and you're going to get a little bit more, and this is my own experience with the trap bar, I feel it more in my thoracic part of my back and that kind of higher than my low back, kind of mid back area. In fact, if I strain myself with a trap bar deadlift, that's where I strain myself. Versus a traditional, straight bar deadlift, if I strain myself, it's in my low back.

And it's kind of in a higher position too, because of the handles being up. And so you're starting from a little bit of higher position. Oh, you're a lot higher. I actually feel a trap bar more in my glutes and my quads. And I think that is one of the harder things to do in a deadlift is to hinge all the way back to get yourself that rigid spine.

And then to be able to in this unique, somewhat awkward position that most people aren't used to being in, be able to fire your glutes to be one of the main pushers of the hips going forward, right? So I find that really challenging with a conventional deadlift with a trap bar deadlift, being in that kind of three quarter squat position. I feel like it's a very normal, comfortable position that I'm in a lot. And I can really think about and also why I think that why it translates so well for athletes is I can really generate the power

from my glutes and explode the hips forward. So much better from a trap bar than I can. And with us restrictive with that. Yeah, it takes a lot more effort for me to feel in my glutes. I actually feel more in my glutes than I do a convention. The other thing that's beneficial about a trap bar is the grip.

It's a neutral grip. And because both hands are naturally facing opposite directions, so my left hand, my palms obviously facing towards the right and my right is facing towards my left, I can hold a lot more weight with my hands. Now, with a straight bar, a lot of people resort to using an alternate grip with one hand

facing forward and one hand facing back. Here's the problem with that. That is a great way to develop a muscle and balance. A symmetry. Yeah, unless you're really, really strict about alternating your hands and making sure one hand is facing forward one time, either one. But most most people when they get to their heavy lifts with a deadlift They have a preferred grip where for me It was right supinated right palm facing up left pronated left palm facing down. That was my preferred grip for my heavy heavy lifts

But I still alternated with my other sets and I thought I was doing a good job I for sure developed an imbalance. I noticed this later on when I switched to a hook grip, it took me a long time to get forget about getting used to the grip. It took a long time for my back to get used to the both double overhand grip. I did notice a slight development change in my back because one hand was always, you know, my dominant grip was with one hand facing forward, one hand facing back. You don't have that with a trap bar, with a trap bar, neutral grip, both hands facing forward, less opportunity for those types of imbalances. And it's very common to use an alternate grip with deadlifts because at some point when you get good at

them, you're not going to be able to hold the weight you can lift with a normal grip, just not going to be able to. You're either going to have to use a normal grip, just not gonna be able to. You're either gonna have to use a hook grip, which, fuck, nobody wants to do a hook grip. It's like, I, I, I, it took me a year to really get good at it. And most people just don't even wanna take the time to do that.

So they resorts to the alternate grip, which is an imbalance, imbalance city. But that being said, I think that they should both, I do think that they're both interchangeable, but I also think they both should be treated as their own exercises. Oh, absolutely. So, I think I like to go through cycles

of one or the other personally, but you could definitely treat them as completely different exercises, even though they use a lot of same muscles. But I like to, so when I was on my road to deadlifting 600 pounds years ago, I got stuck at, I don't remember what weight it was, like, 570 with a straight bar.

I just got stuck and it wouldn't budge. And I tried all kinds of different things, and it wasn't moving. And so I switched to Sumo deadlifts, which I was going light, and then I went heavy trap bar deadlifts. And I got my weight to go up quite a lot. I was like 650 with the trap bar.

Then I went back to the straight bar and there it was. I was able to pull 600 pounds. So it's a great way to get your, if you're stuck on one or the other, switch, get good at one, then go back. And you may notice that you'll break through that part. Now, what comes to mind when you read him saying that, as I get older, should I switch to trap bar to save my back?

Only if it's becoming an issue. So if it's becoming an issue for you, and you're like, oh boy, conventional deadlifts, just bother my back every time, I would say work on mobility to figure out why your back is hurting. In the meantime, use a trap bar. This is back rounding because of the dead left versus like with the trap bar, it feels a little more upright or like what's happening. It might be or just might be the fact that it's just loads the back bar. Yeah.

So what I would do and I've done this with clients before, is I'll have them stop doing straight bar deadlifts, then we work on mobility, figure out what your issue is. If you have Maps Prime Pro, that's the program to use to identify what's going on, maybe in your hips, maybe in your feet, look at the, focus on the issue, do your correctional exercise,

and then in the meantime, so that you're not deadlifting completely, just use a trap bar, and then get yourself, I'm definitely not a fan of, I can never do that exercise anymore because now it's starting to hurt me. I'm not a fan of that. This is also where I see a ton of value in our private form.

People use it for this type of stuff right here, like a great way to use the form with a question like this would be to post a video of your deadlift and say, hey, this, you know, tends to bother my back. And then a lot of bunch of professionals take a look at the way you're moving and then give you some tips and advice. Perfect. Because it could be just like, I think Justin's alluding to like a mechanical breakdown in the conventional deadlift. And that's what's making your back potentially

feel fried. And that could be a real simple adjustment. That could be a little bit of emphasis on priming your body before you go into the lift. Just a few subtle changes that could completely change that and help that for you. Or it could be that your back is just fried and you're doing a ton of stuff for it. And then maybe including the trap bar, maybe good, but this is where I think

the form is incredible. Next question is from Christian Rilo. For people who get extra lists at work, for example, in construction, what effect does that have on maintaining and anabolic state? So one thing I wanna make clear here with this is that the body adapts pretty damn well

to something that you do for a long period of time. So I know we talk a lot about how lots and lots of activity can make it difficult to gain a lot of muscle. If you've been doing construction for a decade, I don't think it's having that negative of an effect on your body. In fact, I've worked with lots of people in construction, my whole family's blue collar, and I've worked with these men who've been doing it for 15, 20, 25 years, and it's still hard work, but it's not like it was for me when I show up, never doing the

work, and I leave, and I feel like I just had the hardest work out of my life, and my 50-year-old dad or whatever is looking at me like, oh, what's the big deal? Let's go to the gym or whatever. So the body does adapt, and I don't think it's gonna have as negative effect on building muscle. The other thing that I think is important to understand is so what?

I know we all have these goals of looking a particular way, but okay, let's say you stopped all your other activity so you could gain an additional, what, five pounds of muscle? Was it worth it? Probably not. You know, that all that activity you're doing with your job is good for you. You're moving. Most people that move it all, you know? I think I kind of understand, though, where this person is coming from. I think they worded it kind of different with the, what effect do we think it has on maintaining an anabolic state. I think the real

challenge here is the same challenge that I had for shit, the first five to eight years of personal training for me. You know, I was incredibly active. I was training eight to 10 clients every single day, which means I'm demonstrating exercises, I'm picking up dumbbells, setting them down. I'm just moving. And so my body, even though it is adapted to the stress, and I don't feel sore from all that moving all day long,

I do burn a lot of calories. And because of the calorie burn being so high, I had a really hard time packing on more muscle. So I kind of feel like that's where this question is coming from is, you know, and that can make a big effect. Like if you're a construction worker and you're picking up concrete bags all day long

and you're carrying two by fours up and downstairs and you're just moving, like I don't think you have to so much adjust your programming or your training as much as you have to look at your nutrition. If you're goal and let's say you're like me where you were the skinnier guy, real skinny kid trying to put on muscle mass and you're just struggling with it.

A good part of that could absolutely be just because of the total movement that you have in your entire day. And one of the first ways I really started to put size on was not only was I moving like crazy as a trainer, which I couldn't change that. That was my job. But in addition to that, I was also playing basketball for a half hour, hour every other day and also training like seven days a week. And when I scaled back the amount of days

that I was weight training, and I scaled back the amount of basketball that I was playing to little to none, my body, I gained like 10 pounds, 10, 15 pounds that year of muscle, which was like one of the biggest leaps I ever had in training. And so that I can see where this could be, this question is coming from and understanding that why it may be challenging to build muscle when you're somebody who has a very physical

job and just flat out probably need to increase your caloric intake. Yeah, lots of carbs too. Yeah. The fuel your body. I mean, that definitely makes sense. And even to like, you know, going through that, having it, you know, in smaller portions, like having more options for meals. So maybe you have to increase the number of meals, you know, throughout the day, which

is something that we don't highlight that very often. But in this case, I could see, you know, because your activities, like, just so constant and something you have to account for while you're trying to build, like, let's, let's shuttle in those nutrients, you know, as for while you're trying to build like let's let's shuttle in those nutrients You know as frequently as you can this is also where When I remember when Sal first shared baps had a block with me and I was like I was like so in love with it because this is also something that was like a big game chain This is around the same time too when I had to shift from the guy who was training You know one muscle per day and hammering it for an hour and a half,

seven days a week. And I made this switch to this full body and only working out three or four days in the gym. And that I think contributed to that. I was just, I was moving, burning so much and just this crazy intensity training all the time that actually backing off of that, increasing frequency on the muscle, less days in the gym that actually backing off of that, increasing frequency on the muscle,

less days in the gym that I was hammering, made a big difference on me gaining. So. Yeah, one thing that I noticed, and I'm sure you noticed this working in construction, if you look at the body parts and muscle groups that are used the most in the respective field that you're observing. You'll notice that they're very developed

in the people in that field. So like guys swing in hammers all the time. So grip and shoulders. Look at their, yeah, look at their grip. Look at the muscles of their hands, because the hands are full of muscle as well. Look at the muscle that attaches to the thumb. Look at their forearm muscles in particular.

Look at the top of the forearm muscle, the brachio radialis muscle. These guys are just, they're sinewy, dense, develop, as if they go to the gym and train them. You know, you can see this with mechanics as well. I had family members that were male carriers and they didn't do any of the working out and they had these amazingly developed calves.

So as far as the anabolic state is concerned, you know that repetitive motion over and over and over and over for years and years and years, I really think that's the model for muscle hyperplasia where you're making new muscle fibers and getting this kind of more permanent muscle building. You ever meet a retired construction worker or retired blue collar worker who hasn't worked for 10 years? They still have, you can still feel it.

You ever shake someone's hand and you're like, whoa, man, he's like, oh yeah, I work construction for 30 years, but I've been retired for 10. Like, oh, that muscle has not gone away. So there's also some of that benefit too, so I wouldn't look at it negatively. Really, if you're just burning too many calories, eat more, you know, you just got to eat more food.

That means you're going to probably have one of the biggest things that I saw with my clients who are construction workers. They didn't eat breakfast. They go straight to work. They'd work distracted. They'd have coffee, they'd go work, and then they'd have a, like a shitty, you know, fast food lunch or whatever. Eat a big-ass breakfast. Wake up a little earlier, have a nice breakfast, go to work.

You can fuel yourself with liquids. This is the one, one of the few times, I'll recommend people drink calories. So, you know, you can have smoothies, fruit juices, whole milk. If you can tolerate dairy, that's a great beverage with calories, proteins, you know, fats, and a little bit of carbohydrates.

Have a good, healthy lunch, and then have a big dinner, and you should be able to build muscle just like anybody else, if not better. Next question is from Kyle Nelson. Does pre-workout affect the fat burning process? If it gives you energy, does that mean the body doesn't feel the need to burn fat?

That was interesting question. Yeah, pre-workout. What a, you know, the pre-workout market, which now is probably the biggest market of the muscle building kind of hardcore supplement market. Oh, for sure. It's probably the biggest part of it, right? You know, 20 years ago, it didn't exist. There was no pre-workout market at all. People didn't know that they should take something before they worked out.

Some people drank coffee before they worked out, but there really wasn't a big deal about it. Nobody talked about it. Nobody builders talked about it. The first kind of pre-workout that came out was something called Ultimate Orange. It was made by Dan Ducane. I think was the guy behind it.

He's like this Stereo Guru. And it had Ephedra caffeine in it and aspirin in it. It was the old school ECA stack that was in this orange drink that you mixed up. And people would take it and then be like, oh fuck, I had the craziest workout. Obviously it was super stimulant focused. But it really wasn't till I wanna say maybe 15, 16 years ago

that supplement companies, and I think it was Gaspari, who was really the first one to push it, who came out with this, and they figured it out. They figured out that if you ritualize something, then people are more likely to purchase it. That's number one. The supplement industry figured that out with post-workout. They started telling people, oh, it's a protein shake. Gotta have it right after you work out. It's convenient because people who work out work out,

work out, and now it became a part of the workout to have a shake. They sold shit tons of protein powders more than they ever had before. Then, you know, people like Asparti figured out, wow, let's ritualize what you do before the workout and let's put some shit in there that people feel right away. Well, and I think too that it's a reaction to, like, we're so overstimulated now because of the coffee revolution and everybody having to start the day with that, but then also having shitty sleep at night. Good point. So it's like, you know, a lot of times

if you're coming in to work out, you're already in a crash and it's like, I need something, it's like, all of a sudden we need this thing to be able to take us through some extra pieces. What a great point Justin that I've actually never really even thought of is that, that probably does explain part of the craze behind

the pre workout like that. There has been a huge spike in all and stimulant use across the board. Energy drinks coffee. And like the last 10, 15 years, it is just absolutely exploded. It's gone mad. And that makes a lot of sense. Like, you know, I if I'm somebody who's drinking two cups or four cups of coffee, coffee every single day, which like nobody was doing that practically 30 years ago, and now everybody does it because there's a Starbucks in every corner. Now for me to get amped up for a workout, I need 2X, 3X that feeling, which is incomes

all the Citroene beta alley. It's getting even crazier. The, you know, 300 to 400 milligrams of caffeine. The niacin. Like, yeah, all this stuff. So 300 to 400 milligrams of caffeine. The niacin. I'm like, yeah, all this stuff. So my core temperature gets heated up. I get the jitters a little bit. I need that much just to even feel

what a coffee would make you feel like you're feeling. And the thing about pre-workout supplements that makes them so special from a marketing and business perspective, it's one of the only categories of supplements that you take and feel 30 minutes later. Most supplements are like, oh, try, you know, back in the day you take a supplement and you couldn't tell if it worked, it would take you weeks.

And they're like, oh, I think it's working. I think, I think, create team, the most effective supplement that has ever existed hands down, you don't feel that right away. You have to take it for at least a couple weeks before you notice a difference. Pre-workout supplements, you don't feel that right away. You have to take it for at least a couple weeks before you notice a difference. Pre workout supplements, you take and you feel right away and you're like, holy shit, this is awesome.

As far as do they actually contribute to muscle building and fat burning, I have yet to see a single study that shows that you actually, aside from the improvement in performance because you do get an improvement performance when you have a stimulant, in other words, you'll do more reps and you'll work out harder.

But they have yet to show a study that says people who use pre-workouts burn more body fat and build more muscle after 12 week or 16 week, you know, whatever. Subtract the creatine by the way, because if they throw creatin in there, of course, you're gonna see more muscle. Take the creatine out, do they show a difference? You know, no, I don way, because if they throw a crate in there, of course, you can see a more muscle. Take the crate in out. Do they show a difference?

You know, no, I don't, I think, is splitting hairs. You'll have better performance. It might make you work out more fun. I like to do it sometimes because I like to have that hype feeling. What do you think, Sal, is the effects as far as like adrenal fatigue and what it's effect on like the central nervous system? I think for depending on the individual, for some people the worst possible thing you could do is have it stimulant.

Because now you're spiking cortisol, you're already in this state of stress, then you're working out, which is another stress, and you're starting to tip the scale in favor of to more stress, to much stress. So like when I work with clients, if I coach someone, and I'm looking at their day, and I'm like, okay, your sleep isn't good, you're working out too much stress. So like when I work with clients, if I coach someone and I'm looking at their day and looking at it and I'm like, okay, your sleep isn't good, you're working out too much, your body's resistant to burning body fat, resistant to building muscle. One of the

first things that I do is I slowly wean them off all stimulants. I get them to get better sleep and I wean them off all stimulants. And what do they get afterwards after that whole pro after the withdrawal period that sucks ass when they bounce back, more strength, better fat loss, better workouts. I learned this lesson myself, when I first started doing Jiu-Jitsu, I was taking stimulants before Jiu-Jitsu, and it got to the point where I was using them

every single day, and I don't remember what made me stop, I think I started getting heart palpitations or something. So I stopped taking all stimulants. And after about a month or two, my performance got even better than it was before. And I realized that the stimulants were actually making me get at a breath faster. And I was reducing my performance. And that's the thing. For some people, stimulants and pre workouts will give you a worse workout.

A lot of people don't say that. But I guarantee you, as people listening right now, who have tried to pre-workouts will give you a worse workout. A lot of people don't say that, but I guarantee that people listening right now, who have tried to pre-work out and had a shitty workout, because it was too much. They were jittery, they felt like crap. So as far as the potential benefits besides that how it makes you feel aspect of it, it's, you know, take it or leave it. You're talking about, really doesn't make, look,

if you have good food a couple hours before and you eat a good meal afterwards, that kind of covers your amino acids you may need for recovery and carbohydrates you may need. Other than that, the extra citrally they put in there. Beta Alain, may have some performance enhancing benefits, creatine, of course, you can purchase separately. You know, I don't see.

I feel like it's a tool, and a tool that when abused has adverse effects when used correctly can be nice, right? And the other day, you made me a pre-workout drink. I have it. How was it? How were you with that? I was great.

It was phenomenal, right? I mean, my face was fucking tingling, and I don't like that feeling that much. I'm not a big fan. I don't color it. Is it a stroke or pre-workout? It's the beta Alleny, right? That does that. Beta Allen, I'm giving you that.. I'm not a big fan. I don't color that. Is it a stroke or pre-workout? It's the beta-alony, right? That does that.

Beta-alony. Give me that. So, I'm not a fan of that. I don't like the, it's a really weird, it almost makes my face itch and it tingles and it, I don't like, I don't like, some people love that because they can feel like, oh shit when I take it.

You start to feel the pinpricks, you know? Yeah, that's what it feels like. A bunch of pinpricks and I don't like that. I don't like that feeling at all. Well, I gave, because so, so we get free, people send us supplements all the time of pin pricks and I don't like that. I don't like that feeling at all. Well, I gave because so we get free. People send us supplements all the time because I think they want us to talk about. I'm obviously getting pigs and and 99% of them we know we never talk about because we don't. We don't like them.

Either they are artificially flavored or colored or they're just. It's not a supplement. We would want to support, but we still have them in the back closet. And we still take them. Everyone. So yeah, I mean, I try all have them in the back closet. And we still take them every once in a while. Everyone. I mean, I try all of them, you know, because I have a mild addiction to supplements. Kind of a junkie.

Yeah, so so Adam's working out and he's kind of like, oh, man, I don't feel like where he said something. I don't really feel like doing this right now, but I got to do it. So I'm like, hey, you must try a free workout. I got something for you. He's like, yeah, so I'll get this trench coat out. He's just like, dude, try this. Yes, I mixed him up a full serving of free workout.

But what's great is, you know, again, because I don't consistently use pre workouts that when I, you know, it was the perfect timing for you to ask me that, I'm like, you know what? Hell yeah, I haven't had a fucking pre workout in a long time. Give me that shit. Then I had a great workout

because I intermittently use it. What I see a lot, and when I start to look, especially a lot when I was competing in that community, it's like, man, these dudes are like stacking on stacking on stacking these things because they take it every, it's like, they've turned it into a ritual.

I mean, who do you follow that has more than 50,000 followers on Instagram that's a body builder, bikini competitor, and doesn't take a video of them scooping their pre-workout and drinking it or just scooping it in their mouth almost every day before the gym. It's the, it annoys me how much we see it. Yeah.

It's like the, it's sending such a terrible message to the average gym goer. Like this is what's important. Yeah, it's like you've got this jacked physique or this beautiful beckoning body, and supplement companies. They're the first ones to reach out to these people offer them a discount code and some weak-ass kickback and these these competitors and bikini models are so quick to jump all over being sponsored by somebody so they can say they are a sponsored

Athlete and then they they have to show these videos of them taking and then it's just like people think that it's got all this value. It's like, no, you can never take a pre-workout, never take some bullshit, never even take creatine or branch animal acids and build the most amazing physique you've ever seen on a cover of a magazine. Oh, no, I mean, if you were to list the top 10 most important things to getting you fit

healthy, aesthetic, muscular, strong, lean, all that stuff. Pre-workout, supplements would not make all supplements, would not make the top 10, and pre-workout would definitely not make the top 20. I would take it if it didn't get sent to our fucking studio for free all time. But I will say this, look, here's a deal. If you are high level and you do want to notice a little bit of a difference in your performance So I can get this with performance because sometimes people like to test their PRs. I want to see if they did better I like cordis apps. It's stimulant free and you will notice most people will notice an improvement in stamina

And then if you want a stimulant you want to take something that's got some stimulant in it Legion Legion Mike Matthews is company makes a pre-workout that I don't mind. It's not artificially flavored. He has like efficacious amounts of beta-align and caffeine and the other stuff in there. Did you know that I had Mike hook us up with a Mind Pump code because you talk about it so God damn much. No way. Yeah we do just mind pump. Yeah, it's mind pump So it's but they it's now for we have that for our listeners is it discount? I think it's like 20% off of what's all that's or whatever cool. I fucking reached out to him like hey, dude

I know I know I know I keep bringing this up I was like I know we don't I know we don't want to do any supplement work And we've talked about this a long time ago, but I was like, you know, people ask, and I get asked the same thing too, like if I, what creatine or what, if there's anything I normally send love over to Mike, not just because he's a friend of ours, part of why he's a friend of ours

because of how much integrity he has. That's it, that's it, that's it, right there. And we know that his stuff is beyond legit. So, I mean, if you are gonna go get that stuff, you are gonna use it, it's a great source. Next question is from Eva Bennett's, when will we get to hear Doug's story? What has his health and wellness journey been like?

What does Doug think about anything and everything? Doug, no, no. Wow. Did you get it, dude? I was like, I'm a man. Did you get it, man? Is Doug picking questions now? Yeah.

I'm taking over. No, Doug's got it. Were she on a few podcasts, Doug? I was. I think I was on two or three and then people stopped asking me. Doug? Doug actually did. He does a great job.

You guys listen to his episodes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does a really good job in interviews. You like him? Yeah, well, you have the natural radio voice and ability. But you do have a really good fitness story. You've been doing fitness for a long, I didn't introduce you to working out.

I think some people think, because I was your trainer, that I was the one that introduced you to working out, but you've been working out since you were a kid. Well, you'll take credit for it. Yeah, probably since I was about 16 or 17 years old, I've told this story before, my dad bought me a membership at a club, a lifetime membership, by the way. I don't think that clubs anywhere around.

That they usually sell those before they ship the doors. It was a lifetime membership. And that was right about the same time that Rocky 3 came out. So I think I was 17 at that time. And still own, to me, that was his best look of all the movies he's been in was Rocky 3. He had, you know, he's ripped, he had symmetry. That's when he fought Mr. T. Yes.

And that's the one where he trained with Apollo Creed in Apollo Creed's gym. And he had to get, remember he had to get a body of his working on his left arm. Does that work too? No, that was, I think that was too.. Was it the one who was working on his left? No, no, no. Arm. Was that Rocky II? No, that was, I think that was two. That was what it meant to you. No, Mickey died.

Oh, yeah. In that one, the reason why Stallone had such a good body, a lot of people don't know this, you know, trained him for that? Franco Colombo. Oh, okay. Franco, yeah. Franco Colombo training for that one and for Rocky IV.

Rocky IV, you look crazy. And he was crazy. And he was crazy. And in fact, when I saw Rocky IV, to me, that felt was too big for me. Yeah. And Rocky III was the body I was shooting for. So, I got into the gym, was working out,

I had a buddy, and he and I would hit the weights, all the time. Now, were you a skinny kid, or were you a fat guy? No, I was kind of a chubby boy. In fact, when I was in elementary school, I probably was packing a good 15 pounds extra. And I... So cute.

Yeah, I was cute, Chubby. I was around face. You two get it room, huh? Yeah. No, it's kind of funny, though, because I like to draw pictures. I was artistic and I wasn't super active kid, so I'd spend my recesses drawing pictures.

Now, my brother, on the other hand, well, he was overweight too, but then he had slimmed down by the time he got to be in high school and he was very naturally athletic. And so when I play sports with my brother, I was never any good and he would tell me that. Like a good brother. Yeah, like a good brother. He was very hard on me And so we'd you know play basketball or we go skiing or something like that and he said you know

You're just not athletic at all and so I took that really So I was like I talked to sell So Sal and I do share that that in common for sure So I would just ignore sports because I just didn't feel like I'd be good at it. And so I'd draw pictures at research tests and I would just put on this extra weight. And so I was always a little overweight.

And then in high school, I did slim down a bit and then when I started working out, I slim down a bit more. And then at one point by the time I was like 21 years old, I'd really gotten thin. But after that, I didn't really experience the results I wanted in the gym. Did you like plateaued?

Yeah, I plateaued. I mean, I saw some early gains. Where were you getting your information in high school, like for working out? Okay, so when I do something, I get really into it. Yeah, we know that. RG comics, right? Yeah, RG. Okay, so when I do something, I get really into it. Yeah, we know that. Our G comics, right? Yeah, our G.

No, actually I subscribe. When I got the gym membership, I subscribed to Muscle and Fitness Magazine. Yeah. So I subscribed to the magazine, I followed the workouts, I bought the supplements, and you know, I didn't have a lot of money, but I spent money on supplements

because I wanted to look like these guys, right? That's what they were using. They become as muscular as they were, so I thought, well, it would work for me. I tried their workouts for a while, and I just wouldn't see any gains, and then I would try another one. I can't remember who is really big back then in the 80s. Really any Bob, Harris, and you know,

Rich Kasparri and Tom Platz and all those guys. But it makes sense, right? I mean, if you want to become muscular, learn from somebody who's muscular. That was my mindset at the time, is like, these guys really know what they're talking about because they're huge. I didn't really put two and two together

that they were not using the supplements they were promoting, but they were taking a lot of steroids. Anyway, so I worked out, and then I got to a point where I just wasn't seeing any benefit or increased muscle gain, and I lost interest. So that's been pretty much my experience throughout most of my life up until my 40s was I would work out for a while, really get into it, get motivated,

and then I would stop being interested because I would stop seeing gains. And so I would just go to the gym, stop, go to the gym, and stop for years and years. Now you got into running for a second too. I remember when I first met you, you said you were running. I did all of it. I'd run, I'd go to the gym, do everything I could

so I could keep eating the way I was eating. Because I love to eat, right? I enjoyed eating so I thought, well, if I keep don't all this, I can eat whatever I want. But for most of my life, actually, I had a weight issue. I was probably a good minimum 15 pounds overweight, and at one point I got up to say 30 pounds overweight. Oh, wow.

And this was back in, I think, 2011. I remember I got on the scale 185. For me, in my height, that was quite heavy. And then I went to a family reunion. I think that was in 2011. And there's went to a family reunion, I think that was in 2011, and there's a picture of me that somebody took, and I was playing volleyball, and I was going up for the ball,

and my shirt had risen up over my belly a little bit, and I had all this fat hanging out, and it was very embarrassing. And so that was the point I really made the determination that something's gotta change, and not only does it have to change It has to change for the rest of my life. I can't just go and do it and take off the weight and then keep doing what I had been doing before How old are you at that point? 2011 so boy

Eight years ago, so probably 47 would that be right? Okay, 46 something like that. I can't do it now. I'm 53, almost 54. Geez. So how does he look so young? Anyway, now those fangs come into play here now. And so I really got serious about my weight. So I had this routine I would do every single day. I would track everything I ate. Oh, that's right.

You used to do the measurements every morning. Every morning I'd wait, I'd take a tape, put around my belly and at that time, my stomach I think had gotten up to 37 inches. I'm not sure, exactly, I don't recall. I have it all recorded someplace. I would drink a big glass of water in the morning. I'd weigh myself first, do a big glass of water,

and then I would track all day and be very careful what I ate. And I lost over, I think it was about a three month period of time, I went down from 185 down to 160. And my waist at that time was measuring 31 inches. And I thought, wow, man, I made it. You know, I made it because I was so much more thin than I was before. And then I met Sal, started working out with Sal and started to see, you know, the benefits of, you know, more frequency,

per body part, but fewer days per week. I was training actually just two days a week with you. That's what we started, two days a week. You know, it's funny, when I first started training, I don't know if you remember this, Doug, you do your assessment and ask people questions about themselves, and Doug told me all this, told me that he had this history working out,

he understands exercise, been doing it forever, and he said he was a hard gainer. He actually said that it was very difficult for him And he said he was a hard gainer. He actually said that it was very difficult for him to get stronger and build a lot of muscle. And so I took that at face value, like, okay, that's what he says. The irony is this fucking dude got strong fast and he got stronger all the time. It was like this consistent gain. And remember that we were trained and this you would add like 10 pounds to your deadlift, 15 pounds to the point where at one point, he pulled 405 off the floor at a body weight of 153.

53. That's, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, just a great, like you just got strong and built more muscle all the time. We took a picture afterwards where you were shredded. Yes. And that was, it was great. We've shared that. It's been a while since we shared that.

That's in 2014. So what I did is, you know, I got really serious about dropping my body fat. And that was it was great. We've shared that spin-a-walls as we share that lesson 2014 So what I did is you know, I got really serious about dropping my body fat And I said you know, I got this 31 inch waist 160 pounds. I thought I can't get much more thin than this I Went down to 42 or 43 pounds 28 inch waist. Oh wow. I took three inches off that waist. Unbelievable.

I didn't realize I had so much to go. Well, one thing about, one thing about you, Doug, that a lot of our listeners don't know just because you're not on, you know, talking on the show, is you have a, when it comes to wellness, you have a tremendous amount of knowledge. Like, in fact, sometimes, Doug is a resource that we ask.

So when it comes to chemicals that you use in cooking or type of cookware, or... Or Western price. Yeah, the effects of certain oils on the body and what's inflammatory and Doug knows because you've been into it for so long and you tend to study things that you're into.

Yeah, absolutely. What would you say, Doug, or some things that, you know, because obviously when Sal gets introduced to your life, like completely probably flipped your world upside down as far as, you know, training, frequency, and program design and the importance of that and probably even macro breakdown and then being able to get lean and strong and all that, were there anything that you learned or you taught yourself before, Sal, that was a, that you still apply or use that knowledge today?

Boy. As far as working out is concerned. Anything working out nutrition like. I mean, nutrition wise, I was pretty dialed in as far as my knowledge, because I've been following Western Price, I'd read a lot. Followed, you know, followed Mercola, he had a lot of nutrition advice that I followed.

So I really felt like I understood food quite a bit as far as quality of food, you know, grass fed, using quality fats, all those things. I was quite knowledgeable about. Privilege too already. The workout stuff, really, that's the area that totally changed for me. Oh, that's cool, that's interesting then.

So it was a lot of your success that you had in the past with losing what you had already, you pleased together the nutrition piece. I didn't teach them anything about nutrition. Yeah, so for a very long time, I come by this honestly because my grandmother, who lived to be 93 years old and really in very good health up until the day she died, she was very much into nutrition.

And she subscribed to this magazine called Prevention. I think they still published the magazine. But back then it was totally different than it is now. Back then, when I was a kid, it was chock full of vitamin ads. And so I would read this magazine and I was very interested in how do you live a long time? How do you stay youthful? All that stuff, even at a very young age, I realized I was going to get older and I better start thinking about this stuff right now. And I saw all these vitamins and had all

these promises. And I remember I actually took my grandmother's magazine to I ordered stuff from it even as probably 12 years old. So I was really into that and my dad also inherited that from my grandmother and he was all into vitamins and things like that. Now, my dad's downfall is he thought the vitamins were gonna fix all the other eating issues. So, I've been really very interested in nutrition and how that can affect you as far as your health and longevity and aging and all those things. I remember Doug was making his own kombucha.

He'd been doing that for a long time. Right, right. And you know, the way he cooks, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to me because, you know, one of the things when you have, we, and we've, I'm sure all of us have tons of like success stories of clients that like completely altered their physique or their strength or whatever. Normally it's a, a combination of they were just way off based on nutrition and they had no clue about program design. You teach them that and then they apply it and then you see these great results.

It's not as often that you have somebody who really has a good grasp of nutrition and it's still been in kind of a roadblock for a long time with their physique. Well, think about all the training information that was out at that time. You want to read about how to build muscle and burn body fat. All the information was the same and all of it was not effective. And here he came to me and he asked me, how many days a week should I train with you? And by the way, I'm a trainer, that's my business, I could very easily be like, he would have totally done five days a week if I told him. He would have bought enough sessions

to do five days a week with me. And they said, Doug, I'll be honest with you, I don't think you need more than two days a week. We were two days a week full body and he was like, are you sure that's enough? And I'd be like, yeah, and he tells the story now it's because I was convincing so he kind of trusted me. And then the gains came totally, so you got to imagine how big of a shock that must have been for someone like him

who had been reading all counter information for decades. That was truly a leap of faith at my part because I had a really hard time believing two days a week could do it for me. Well, I remember that. I mean, we just shared an earlier question. This was a big game changer for me, even as a trainer. You know, I still fell into that seven days a week train really, really hard.

My biggest gains came on when I backed off all the training. I was training way less often in the gym, but the frequency that I was sitting in the muscles were higher because I was starting to do more of these full body type of routines or body parts splits where I was doing half the upper body, lower body type of routines, which is why when you first showed an abog to me, I was just like, oh, this was the answer for me and was ended up being the answer for a lot of my,

especially the people that like to work out. If you enjoy working out, you don't lack motivation and you hammer the gym. Some more often than not, those people end up benefiting quite a bit by backing off on the amount of days and increasing frequency on the muscle. I have a question for you Doug,

because you lived in Japan for four years, I think. Six years. Six years. In Japan, Japanese culture is known as being one of the healthiest in terms of longevity, cultures in the world. I know the Okinawans are among the longest living people. There are, but Japan in general just has a very, just great health overall in comparison, especially compared to modern Western societies.

What are some of the cultural practices that you saw there that you think contributed to their longevity? A couple come to mind. Number one, people seem to walk a lot. You know, they walk to the train station or they ride a bicycle to the train station. You don't see people drive every place. It's just, you know, the culture is such in the topography or whatever is such that people have to take trains and things in order to get around. It's a small country, a very highly dense population. So people walk a lot. I rode a bicycle and walked a ton when I lived there. The other thing is meal portions are dramatically smaller. So you go to most westerners go to Japan and they go to a restaurant and they get their food. They're going to think they're

getting the child's plate because it's so much smaller as a general rule. And so they just don't eat as much. And I think that really has an effect is, you know, calorie restriction, right? We call that calorie restriction. But in fact, that's just a normal meal for them. And I really feel like that's really a key thing. As far as healthy food is concerned, I mean, they do eat a lot of fish in comparison to Americans.

Their breakfast is not sugary. Their sweets are nowhere near as sweet as ours. For example, you get a cake in Japan, and you'll think it tastes very bland because it's not very sweet. Japanese people come to this country and eat our sweets, and they just, they can't believe how sweet they are, they can't handle it. So less sugar, smaller portions, more walking, I think those all contribute to their longevity. Isn't there a saying in Japanese

that's something like eat until you're 80% full or something like that? I'm not sure of that. I might have read that. Just one other factor that may contribute to that is their sense of community. I don't know. I feel like the Japanese people, because they are a homogeneous society, they tend not to have as much conflict.

It's very safe. Well, they place a lot of value on family and the elderly, the elderly are revered in Japanese culture, which I noticed that in Judo, when I did Judo, like the older people were like treated like, you know, and so that might contribute to longevity as well. Anyway, awesome. All right, so check this out. Go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all totally free. You can also find us all on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can also find us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body,

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