Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1049: The Truth About Suspension Training, Why More Muscle Doesn't Always Mean More Strength, Correcting Imbalances When Performing Compound Lifts & MORE

Episode Date: June 8, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about training intuitively vs. sticking 100% to a plan, training with suspension training systems, what to do if one side is engaging more than the other during compound exercises, and if all muscle is created equal. How Sal has dethroned Justin for the most awkward handshake ever. (4:19) Oakland, California, decriminalizes magic mushrooms and peyote. (10:38) The façade of Instagram marketing. (14:54) High school principal accused of copying Ashton Kutcher's Teen Choice Awards speech. (23:04) What is surveillance capital and how does it affect you? (24:48) Butcher Box brings back a crazy promotion!! (32:48) Mind Pump traveling the country, get your tickets now! (38:24) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on training intuitively vs. sticking 100% to a plan? (39:59) #Quah question #2 – Thoughts on training with suspension training systems? Is it a good tool to incorporate with strength training? (54:17) #Quah question #3 – During compound exercises I feel one side engaging more than the other. Is there a way I can prevent this? (1:02:04) #Quah question #4 - Is all muscle is created equal? Can a person with more compact muscle be stronger than someone built like a bodybuilder? (1:07:56) People Mentioned Aubrey Marcus (@aubreymarcus)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned June Promotion: MAPS Strong ½ off!! **Code “STRONG50” at checkout** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Check out Mind Pump Live to get tickets for their next live event! Oakland, California, decriminalizes magic mushrooms and peyote Instagram Influencer With 2.6m Followers Struggles To Sell 36 T-Shirts High School Principal Plagiarizes Ashton Kutcher Speech Advertisers want to mine your brain to help sell their products - Axios Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked - Book by Adam Alter MAPS Fitness Anywhere | Muscle Adaptation Programming System - Mind Pump Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey everybody, it's Mind Pump Time. In this episode of Mind Pump, we get deep into fitness, but before we do, we do our introductory fun conversation. For the first 40 minutes, here's what we covered. First off, I talked about the most awkward handshake

of all time. I have dethroned Justin. I didn't think you could do it. Yep, super super super awkward moment this morning. I'll give it to you actually. We talked about Oakland decriminalizing psychedelic plants like Silas-Syban and M.P.O.D. Congratulations Oakland, good for you.

Groovy. Yeah, don't be throwing non-violent drug users into jail, so good for you. Then we talked about the influencer bubble. Apparently there was an influencer with, and I'm doing quotes influencer, with two million followers who barely sold 36 shirts. Wow.

Yeah, good job. Yeah, that's not good. Justin brought up the school principal who got in trouble for copying a speech that was originally done by Ashton Kutcher. Huh? We talked also about advertising companies who are mining our brains to learn how to advertise to us better. Yes, they're using technology and machinery to look at your brain and how you react to certain images. It's getting weird out there.

Yeah, not scary at all. Then I talked about butcher boxes, crazy promotion. I think they might have lost their mind. Bacon for life. Yeah, if you sign up for me, I'm gonna get that tattooed on my arm. It's bacon for life. Now butcher box delivers to your door

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hang out with us. Let's get physical. Have a good time. Careful Justin, with that one. Excuse me. You can find out about all of our upcoming events. Just go to mindpumplive.com. We have an event coming up in San Francisco. We have one coming up in Colorado, Denver,

and another one coming up in Seattle. Now is the intro portion. Then we get into the fitness stuff. Here was the first fitness question. This person wants to know what our thoughts are on intuitive training versus sticking to a plan. Is there such a thing as just training intuitively or should you always stick to a plan. Is there such a thing as just training intuitively or should you always stick to a plan? The next question, we give our thoughts on suspension training systems. Are they good or are they just a stupid fitness fad?

The next question, this person feels one side engaging more than the other when they do compound barbell movements. What is the solution we give it in that part of this episode? And the final question is all muscle created equal. Why is it that some people who are smaller are stronger than other people who are bigger? Believe it or not, there is an answer and it's science-based.

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Go to maps strong.com MAPS STRONG.com and use the code strong 50 STRONG 504 the discount act now because this promotion will be ending this month. I think I dethroned you Justin for the most on what for the most awkward handshake of all time that's it you did impossible I've been I was on a streak there for a while I just couldn't get it right yeah he was king with the remember the time when we were at in Austin when you met Aubrey yeah and he went to shake what happened with that and I was like I don't know maybe I'm just not you know like on that same energy aura wavelength yeah like maybe I haven't like, maybe I'm just not, you know, like on that same energy aura wavelength.

Yeah. Like maybe I haven't like done enough trips to the to the Netherworld. You were in it right? You were in the wrong dimension. I was. Yeah. I wish it was caught on camera so we could have done it.

So what happened exactly? You go to shake his hand. Yeah, I kind of came in like I have, I mean, I, I cock my elbow out of it, you know? I'm like coming out. Normal. Yeah, normal. Just trying to, yeah, make it work and have the right angles. And it's just, we were going to join

and there was a shift of up and down, almost like, you know, in two magnets, like when you have the wrong sides, kind of, yeah. It was like that. And so you ended up shaking hands like, yeah, just, like, I was on top of his knuckles and it was all fucked up, dude. And it happened two times.

Yes. And then I kind of pinch squeezed it. And then I'm like, and it's like, you know, when you got like a flipper that you're dealing with, that kind of thing. So I'm kind of shaking it. He's kind of looking at me. We're kind of like, this didn't work.

No. Yeah. No, no, no, we just left confused. Yeah, that's that was a tough one to beat. But I think I might have fucking beat it. What did you do? No way? I think I might have beat it this morning at Whole Foods so this lady is Holding her groceries and she looks over and she's a fan and she's like, oh my god, Sal I love I love your show so I'm like oh nice to meet you and I put my hand out to to shake her hand, right?

So her left hand is holding the groceries. And then as I reach over, I see her other arm, and she doesn't have one. Oh, God. Yeah, so. No, that did not happen. Oh, dude. You're an asshole.

Yeah, dude. So no, it's okay though. She dropped the groceries and use her left hand. She did the kind of turn, whatever. And then I laughed. Hopefully she's listening. I laughed. And she goes, she goes, yeah, it was awkward. I did the kind of turn, whatever. And then I laughed, hopefully she's listening. I laughed and she goes, she goes, yeah, it was awkward.

And I was like, I was super awkward. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to see. She's like, hey, asshole, could you not tell us? She started laughing and I'm like, whoa. And I'm like, you mind if I talk about this on the show? And she's like, no, you can totally bring it up. So anyway, shout out to, I don't even remember your name.

You made me drop her groceries? Yeah, dude, I went to go grab her hand and she turned, you know, and it's like, in that split moment, what do I do? Do I acknowledge? Okay, yeah, he did dethrone. Yeah, that's all right. Where do you shake a bite? I said it's worse.

It's just, shake a bite. Anyway, so yeah, I won that one, I think. Anyway, that happened this morning. That happened before I came to war. And you know, when you have an embarrassing moment, and then every time you recount it, you get, it gets worse. You get sweaty. That's what's happening right now. Like little tightness is happening. Yeah, I make a little bit, I know now forever. I'm going to tell people the story and every time I bring it up, I'm going to feel awkward every

fucking time. There's something about that. I have a buddy who's like this, and it's funny because we've known each other for a long time. And maybe that's because we grew up as like, you know, bros in school together and we were too cool then. We're now like, if you're close to me, I hug you. It's I hug. I'm a hugger. You're a hugger. You've never hugged me that before. You have two more years to get there. Then we get to hug you So I don't want to see you guys hug this You want to see us hug? No, so I can hug other people but not Adam. Yeah, I feel like turns a bomb It's a good couple I don't want that to happen in front of me. He's like I like this way too much Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen to me when that happens Well, you know we'll do we'll we'll put you in the middle. And then we'll hug each other.

That's a cheap sandwich. That's a, with the bread, bro. That isn't cheap. With the bread, anywhere. That grilled cheese. So what happened to your brother? Yeah, so still to this day, you know, and I've actually called him out.

I'm like, bro, we're like family now. We hug when we leave. You know what I'm saying? So when we leave, from seeing each other, it's I go in for a hug and he goes for a handshake sometimes like, what are you doing? So I feel like it is hand away and then hug him. But it's funny, the transition though, we've known it for years and years.

So I remember that when it first got to that point, there was probably a good year of our friendship that there was this aqua moment, because it was like, in my head, we've transitioned to family. We hugged now. We see each other. It's just like seeing my mom, my brother, my dad, my sister, anybody I would hug after we see each other. We've been friends for 10, 15 years now, that's where we're at.

But you have that old, yes. But I mean, back when you used to do the handshakes, you'll see later, bro you know, or the back. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there was this transition period that, and I feel like there should be something said or somewhere you could read about this. Like, how do you go from being cool bro friends

when you were kids to being like, to like deeper? Yeah, it's a family. And that transition, like, let's to like deeper. Yeah, it's a family. And at transitional, let's go to the next level. It's, you know what it is? It's because you have an old pattern with each other. Like you ever, you ever not see a family member for years and the last time you saw him, you were 15

and they made you feel insecure or something like that. And then you see him later on, like 35. And you all have this weird like, why do I feel like I'm 15 again? It's that old pattern that you have set. My son really hates it when I kiss him in public. And that only encourages me. It only makes it work.

You're so bad. Oh yeah, because I'll get him in a headlock. And because you can't, I'm still way stronger than him. So I'll get him in a headlock. And then I'll kiss him 15 times. And I'll start saying his name real loud. So all those people can be inside. Yeah, I'm like, I'm your dad. I told him I said, I'm still way stronger than him, so I'll get him in a headlock, and then I'll kiss him 15 times. Yeah. And I'll start saying his name real loud. Oh man. So all those people die inside.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm your dad, I told him, I said, I'm your dad. I love you, daddy loves you. I'm like, I'm your dad, I said, I don't care how old you are, I'm gonna kiss you on your face. Oh my God. I don't even care, I'm gonna do in front of your wife,

your girl, I don't care who you're dating or whatever, it's gonna happen. My dad deal with it. That was his move for getting me to stop wrestling. You know, like messing with him. And then just come at me and start, with this mustache and I was like, oh, it was awful.

Yeah, like no. So I can identify with your kids. That's so gross a little bit. Anyway, do you guys hear about the news in Oakland? Ah, Silas Ivan. Yeah, so Silas Ivan. Ayahuasca. No, Piyoti.

Piyoti. Oh really? Yeah, I don't know if Ayahuasca was on that. What I read was Piyoti. Oh, I read Ayahuasibon. Yeah, so Silasibon? Ayohasca? No, Pio-di. Pio-di. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know if Ayohasca was on that. What I read was Pio-di. Oh, I read Ayohasca, too. Really? Yeah, yeah, I'll check while you're doing it.

Now, it's not legalized. I hate news reports. They're so stupid. Right. It's not... Decriminalized, right? Decriminalized totally different than legalized. Legalized means that you're...

It's accessible. You can sell it in stores. You can market it, whatever. That's not the case. You can't it in stores, you can market it, whatever. That's not the case. You can't openly sell, Silasaybin. It's just been decriminalized. It's been placed at a low priority by police. So if you get caught with like a personal use of mushrooms,

at the most, they'll probably give you a sign or take a skate. Yeah, they might. You anonymously to decriminalize psychoactive plants like Ayahuasca, Piyote and hallucinogenic unanimously to decriminalize psychoactive plants like Ayahuasca, Paiyoti, and Hulusagenic mushrooms. All psychoactive plants? That's what it says. Wow.

Wow. How does that work if it's just the city of Oakland like decided this? Well, think about who's most likely to bust you if you get caught with something illegal. Yeah. You're local police. It's not like we don't have a federal police force.

Yeah, for some, God, getting high on fucking shrooms. Yeah, so no one's investigating somebody getting high. No, no, I mean, unless it's like out, if you go to a different city, or if the feds come in, like remember when marijuana

got decriminalized in California? And this is back when the federal government thought they had a chance. Now they realized this, they give up, but they would actually send the feds in to bust people. And it's an interesting like state rights versus you know, federal rights type of thing. And this is starting at the city. I think it'll be decriminalized in California as a state very soon. I really do. Oh, that's going to get the ball rolling for sure.

Just like you said with marijuana, we've followed the same suit. Started off in the Oakland LA and then Bay Area and then it ended up spreading everywhere. You'll see it go out. 100% that the War on Drugs has been a complete and utter absolute failure. The worst part about it is substances like psilocybin, you know, LSD, marijuana, they were, it was almost impossible to do studies on them. Unless you were gonna study their bad effects,

that's the only way you'd get approval. You'd have to go to the government and be like, hey, I wanna do a study on psilocybin, they'd say, well, what are you studying it for? You know, how it hurts people. And they'd be like, you know, even then it'd be hard, but maybe, if you're like, I wanna study it to see if it helps people through therapy or PTSD

or whatever. Never, never. And so we just, we didn't have any studies and so this is good because it's gonna encourage, it's gonna open the doors for more and more studies to be done so we can learn. Like with marijuana, we know that some compounds in marijuana are actual cures.

I don't wanna say cure, actually. Actually, effective treatments for certain forms of childhood epilepsy that are terrible or kids get like 100 seizures a day, we would never have discovered that had we not started to decriminalize and allow studies to start happening. So this is freaking a really rad, rad thing. I can't wait to see, uh, cause

I'm not, I'm not pro like people just doing a bunch of psychedelics. I think that you need to treat them with a lot of respect. And I think a lot of people are going to have a bad. Yeah, it's a very potent tool. Yeah, they're going to have a bad experience. I think people are going to be like, Oh, cool. I get to do this now. They're going to try and be like, that was terrifying. I think, uh, what I am excited for is therapy. I'm excited for like real licensed therapists, people who are trained in the use of these substances, who are also licensed to do psychology or whatever, to work with people on things like addiction, trauma, PTSD,

marriage counseling, even some substances were originally intended to be used, marriage counseling, even, you know, some substances were originally intended to be used in marriage counseling, like MDMA, ecstasy, that was designed for marriage counseling. And I could totally see how these substances could help in some of those cases where, you know, your husband and wife are sitting in there and they take a substance, you know, he cheated on her or something like that and they take the substance and she's much more like empathetic and they break the walls down and then you could start the work type of deal. Anyway, we'll see what happens. Did you guys, have you guys been getting tagged on that Instagram girl who, that influencer

where there was like the title of these articles like the one that has 2.6 million followers and try to sell some t-shirts or whatever. Oh, I did read about that. I get no. 2.6 million followers on Instagram. So she's like, okay, this is a gold mine. I'm gonna sell some shit. Yeah.

She put together a clothing company and launched it and sold, guess how many shirts she sold? 2.36, right? You knew the number now? Yeah, yeah. 36 shirts. You know what's crazy? It's not that surprising to me.

I mean, I feel like we've talked about this. I know for sure I've talked a lot about this when I get interviewed on shows and this facade right now of like influencer marketing. Like so many people think that they, because they have hundreds of thousands or even millions of followers that they have all this like influence.

And I think you can see, like you can even see the way the engagement on a lot of these pages are changing. There's a lot of people, I mean, I openly admit I fall a lot of booty picks. So I follow a lot of these, and I couldn't even tell you the names of their pages of the models I follow them just because they do.

You'd recognize the butt belt. Yeah, I'd recognize the butt, absolutely. So, but they, they had a lot of engagement people falling and now I think that because the people don't stay on their page very long, you see it in the feed, you know, a booty pick comes up, I like it, I keep moving along, like I don't read her caption, like I'm,

there's no influence. People are just looking at it. Well, I see their traction going way down too. So maybe if you go back two years ago and you looked at the interaction that was happening on their photos, I think people are just coming more snobble back then. That's what I'm trying to get at, is that it?

Yeah, the market on Instagram, it's like everywhere you look. I mean, that doesn't even get them the like stays to get, you know, from what I've seen. In a track, I've been watching. In a semi-attractive person reason. Yeah, that's why it's okay, Trina. You got semi-attractive person posing with, you know, posting semi-nude pictures.

Yeah, you're gonna get thousands of followers. Yep, it's gonna give you nothing. You're not gonna be able to create any business off that or anything, you're going to get thousands of followers. Yep, it's going to give you nothing. You're not going to be able to create any business off that or anything. You have no influence, which to me, when I look at people like that, when I look at these, when I, when I see pages with 10,000, 20,000, 30, 50,000 followers, and they don't even have a business around it. It's just look at my pictures. Why? Like, why are you doing that? It's, a display of, what's the word, insecurity?

It's like a popularity contest. I just like people looking at me. So, it's also perpetuated by some of the people that are having a little bit of success pretending to have a lot more. That's a big one. So I was just doing it every yesterday and I was talking about, you know,

it's laughable when I see this and then this is popular. So. You're talking about the mic on these interview? No. No, no, this wasn't in my, no, no, no, Mike and I were calling out other people. And other shit. It's sad.

I don't know. I guess I've been riled up lately. You didn't even fire any of you. No, actually, you know, I told Mike, he, I mean, that interview was, we did that interview almost a month ago. And I didn't know he had posted it yet. And actually, I started seeing people sharing it

and actually saying, a bunch of nice things and tagging, I was like, oh shit, it's live. And so I normally don't listen to the interview. I just don't have time. I don't have time to listen to our own show. I don't have time to listen to myself on another interview. But this one I was curious. And so I actually did listen to the interview

because I was nervous. So I told my, I don't want to come off like I'm hating on a said company or a person who runs a company, but I'm also very real, and I'll share my opinion on something, and that doesn't take away from the person. And so I didn't want to come off like I was talking, because I've openly discussed or talked what I think about first form supplements, because I get asked a lot.

People ask me all the fucking time, like, what do you think of the first form? What do you think of first form? And my honest opinion is I don't care for it. And it's not because of anything, a personal attack on the CEO, like it's not like that at all. I just don't care for the business model.

And I don't like how it was built. I watched it get built on Instagram. So I'm very familiar with the way they grew the business and how it has a lot of success right now. And I'm very aware of what we could be generating right now if we were, our message was promoting supplements and trying to get people to buy on a monthly basis. You know, our business would be 10x what it is right now.

So I'm okay with sharing like what I think about that if someone asked me, but I'm trying to be careful in not coming off like I'm hating. I'm not hating on like to each their own if you wanna do that. So anyways, I listened to it and it wasn't that bad. It Mike's like, yeah, I was nervous too. I thought we were kind of hard. I'm like, oh, no, it wasn't that bad.

When I listened to it at all, I thought we navigated around the conversation. But a lot of these influencers put up this, this like it's like a fake storefront. Like, you know, there's cities in China, for example, or there were cities in the Soviet Union that they would build to appear to be big and modern or whatever.

Nobody lived in them. Well, this is what I'm talking about. I saw what I was getting at was I shared with this guy who interviewed me yesterday that, you know, if you've never started a clothing line or tried to start a peril or, or sell supplements or doing those things, like you, You may not have any idea of margins and what it costs to do that, the overhead, how much you'd have to be producing to actually be generating six figures or more. You've got a lot of these in my space, as far as the bodybuilding community and the physique and bikini world, this is really popular.

You gain a lot of traction because the way your body looks and your physique and you've got all these eyes on you, then you pivot to your own brand. You create a logo or whatever and you slap it on some t-shirts and tank tops and you sell it and you pair yourself artist formally known as Chad. And then you sell it and then not only do you sell, but then you also like hype up yourselves to your audience that's what looking at you like, man, crazy man, I'm shipping today and they show like piles of like clothes going, you know, t-shirts going out.

And what I was sharing with this guy, because we were talking about Mind Pump as a business and I was sharing like all different line items and like, you know, how we monetize. And I'm like, you know, it's funny, it's like when I see that stuff, I always kind of chuckle inside. And again, this is, I don't comment, I don't say anything.

I'm not hating. But you, I wouldn't be bragging about that because once an apparel line or a business like that is actually generating even just decent money, you would scale out of it right away because the margins are awful that if you spit all of your time doing nothing but packaging and shipping

to make six figures, you would be working around the clock 24. It makes no sense. So the fact that you are still shipping out your own items and so that tells a guy like me who understands the margins really well that you're not that much volume. You're not that successful. But see Instagram kids that are watching and following this they see that and they see the kid post his his BMWers Mercedes and he's like traveling and he's you know hyping up his lifestyle and it's like oh fuck that's what I want to do I want to get so popular it's fake I've got a hundred thousand people follow me I could start my own brand and then I too will have a Mercedes and

I too will possibly yeah right so yeah what about. Yeah, right? So. Yeah, what about the video? There's that one fitness guy who's like, he always wants to show pictures about how much money he makes. And he's like, oh, today sucks. My Bentley got a flat tire. And he's like, he's got to show a picture of his big Bentley. So everybody knows he, it's like, come on, bro.

Yeah. That game right there is, it's going to get old real fast. The point where it's going to start turning people off, that whole look at me, look how much money I make money I make. And a lot of it is not real. It's a Margaret Thatcher quote that I love so much and I love to share is that you know if being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell somebody you are, you're probably not. Well, you know who actually has a lot of influence that I didn't expect? Ashton Kutcher.

Oh, right. Right? Yeah, so apparently this principal got a lot of heat because his commencement speech to all these students, they went back through and found a lot of similarities between Ashton Kutcher's like 2013 Teen Choice Award speech and then his speech. And he's like claiming, no, this was all from my heart

and all this and it's like almost, you know, the same exact format like on that whole okay, wait, who stole from who? So the principal stole from a kitchen's 2013 speech and a hypocrite all of us, you know, I'm saying you're right, you're right, a paper and the teacher's like you plagiarized and Accidentally, you know, like that was in the teacher's like, you plagiarized the pre-adcidentally. You said accidentally. You know, like that was his last state. It was accidental. He's using it the same way as a kid's gift.

Now how did Aston Kusher find out that he actually found out it himself? I don't think everybody else found it and then posted a viral video on Facebook kind of comparing the two. But how funny is that? Can you imagine getting caught? Like at least plagiarized from somebody

that's, I don't know, maybe like a Bill Gates or like somebody. No, if you're a teacher, you can't plagiarize. Well, yeah, that too, right? Very good. Like that's just it. It's all bad. Like it's all bad.

If you were a teacher, you, that's like, of all the people, like, plagiarism is bad, whoever does it. But, like Einstein or something. But, like, when you asked to cook your- But if like, so what, like if one of us did that, if you it. But I'm like Einstein or something. But it's like when you asked to cook it. But if like so, like if one of us did that, if you did that and I found out later on, like what you wrote was from somebody else

or when you plagiarize it, it'd be like. Especially if you're a school principal. Yeah, no, that's like the ultimate person. He gets up there, he's like four score and seven years ago, I'm out of dream. I feel like I know that. I've heard that before. This is powerful.

Yeah. Have you guys heard of the term surveillance capitalism? No, it's that. I just learned this the other day. So this is a term now that's being used to describe what big companies are investing a lot of money and energy into. And surveillance is flying on us.

It's basically can they gather as much information, how much information can they gather about their, about potential buyers? The tech, because technology allows you to gather so much information, so much more information than ever before, before the information you would gather from your potential buyers was from their purchasing habits Surveys, you know, that it was very limited. Yeah, but now you can watch everything that they do when they're online And so yeah, and so experts are like oh, this is not fair because this is gonna give them a lot of power to manipulate Well, they're taking it to the next level so market researchers are enrolling subjects in a study where they are going to subject

them to scientific grade brain scans. And what they're going to be looking for are triggers that spark emotional connections and affect behavior. So they're literally going to hook up people to machines and they're gonna show them images and do things and play music because oftentimes, things will happen in your brain before you're even aware of how you're being influenced. So without, and they can, they know this,

they know this through studies, like they'll know like, okay, we just triggered an emotional reaction in this person that's more likely to get them to act impulsively or whatever. And they may even ask you, hey, how do you feel when you watch that? I'm fine. Because you're not aware,

it's not in your consciousness and your subconscious. So market researchers now are starting to study what happens subconsciously to you in your brain when you're looking at certain types of messaging or advertising. This is going to get really fucking weird. So what do you think about things like prejudice because of that?

Oh, they've already proved that that happens to everybody. Everybody makes these quick judgments and oftentimes it's based off of experiences and of course, yeah. Right, almost, almost, and don't want to say uncontrollable because I think that's the part where you you you have to learn to discipline yourself is that subconsciously my mind goes a certain place because there's been patterns that it's recognized. Predictive behavioral patterns.

And the brain works mathematically this way and works predictively that if every time I see this type of a person, this has happened in my life, whether that's only five times, three times, or 50 times, it's enough times that my brain is now remembered that and is now trying to work ahead of time and let me know like, oh, be careful, or oh, you like them, or oh, no, you don't. So you have these, these prejudice subconsciously that are embedded in you,

whether you know it or not. It's just decisions and feelings that our brain decides for us, I guess, that we're not even fully aware of. And this is, we've known this for a long time. And the thing is in the past, we haven't been able to fully describe it. Like again, we've talked about this in past episodes. Like when you walk into a room and it feels, you feel tension.

You can't, you don't know why. So what do people say? Like, oh, the energy felt tense. But in reality, what's probably happening is your brain is picking up subtle cues. Totally. People in the room, maybe they're clasping their fists together.

You know, maybe like a posture. Look on their face. cues. Totally. People in the room, maybe clasping their fists together, maybe like posture, or the way somebody looks. Yeah, and some of it's so subtle that you couldn't pick it out, but your brain, because remember your brain is taking in millions and millions of bits of information. You're aware of a tiny fraction. Yeah, it's like one tenth.

Yeah, you're not aware of all of it. So all these things are happening behind the scenes, and so it becomes your feelings, your intuition, it influences your behavior. But the thing is, is that they're now taking that kind of science that we've been studying and they're going to start applying it to marketing. Well, yeah, I feel like they've already been testing that the whole way through with propaganda and being able to utilize that with commercials. It's just now they have access to all this personal data.

It's like they can pinpoint individuals now, instead of just like, they'll bring in people as like case studies, or they'll pay them to go through some of that testing, but now they have access to all this just data that's at their whim. Yeah, and here's the example I like to give, right? Like, I definitely do not think ultra processed,

highly palatable foods should be made illegal. I don't. I think you need to be able to choose whether or not you put that in your mouth. That being said, has the invention and creation and money that's being spent, or been spent creating these types of foods to make them super palatable? Has it been somewhat unfair? Yes, for sure. It's definitely been a major factor in the obesity epidemic and our health problems. And it's taken a few generations for people to start realizing, but even still, it's so hard

to control that you have to develop practices around it. This is what I think is gonna eventually happen with digital wellness. With marketing. I think it might take a couple generations. Well, where you see it are. I mean, that's why that when I read the Adam Outler book while I was just fucking, oh, mind blowing for me to see where the direction

that we're going, because that's only gonna get crazier. These tools are gonna become more and more and more addictive, not less, and they're just getting better and better at it. It's funny speaking of this point. Have you guys played with all your, the iPhone upgrade has all these new features on how to manage your social media time and your apps? No, I haven't seen it.

So I started playing with it yesterday or day before yesterday. It actually pissed me off. It says, what it does, so one, I can set no certain apps. I can only have a window open for me. Okay, from 7am to 6pm, I can use set apps. Then these apps I only want to use during these times. So I can do that. Then I can also set a time parameter. That once I hit two hours of all social media platforms,

Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, all of them, it locks me out. Right away. And so if I go to go back in, it has a screen that says, you've timed out. Oh, that's great. Yeah. I did a screenshot in my story the other day. I don't know if you saw it.

And I was like, shit. Oh, that's what that was. Yeah. So that was me going back into my Instagram. See, I love that. And I already hit my two hours. I love that. So it's pretty cool that we can do all stuff,

but I'll tell you what, it's been a little annoying because I didn't realize how much I still go back on there to do little things, even if I'm letting myself get sucked in for an hour at a time. Like, oh shit, I already used two hours in the entire day, so I wanted it to lock out, but then, oh, I needed to send something over to Taylor or Rachel. Fuck, I need to get in there.

Oh, I gotta unlock it. Yeah, ignore it. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, it's incredible. The influence that this information will have over you to make you believe a certain thing, even though sometimes the real information is out there

to show you that it's not true. Did you guys know, this is a good example. Did you guys know that recycling plastic is largely a waste of time? Yes. Did you guys know that? For a long time. It has a complete waste of time.

As the beginning, it wasn't, but I know it became a waste of time. It is, in fact, some cities are completely abandoning it. I think it's just glass, aluminum, and paper. Really is all that's worth it now. In the past, we would sell to other countries. We'd sell our plastic to other countries, and so it was kind of, it made sense, but now they're sending it back.

And, but if you took plastic and threw it in the garbage, I kind of feel a little bit like, ah, what am I doing? You know what I mean? So the brain washed so much. I doubt. You know, but I don't know, man, it's kind of crazy to turn to the plastic thing. Hey, here's something for you, that's kind of cool.

Butcherbox brought back, and I didn't think they'd bring this back because I know that they sold out last time. Yes, yes. Bacon for life. I know, I saw that. So I'm going to bring, so you guys know, it must have been listening to me. I'm bringing down, so we go to Manhattan this weekend. And I'm going to bring you guys know I'm listening to me. I'm bringing down So we go to Manhattan this weekend and I'm gonna bring my my latest butcher box order that I got

I knew that we were gonna be heading down here and since we're gonna be on the beach man And beach yeah, yeah, we'll grow it up on the beach. Oh, yeah, so but bacon for life because I know the lat When did they do that last? I don't know but it killed I mean who doesn't want bacon for life? It went insane and I thought that they wouldn't do it again because sometimes companies come out of the promotion. What was that excited about that one? We had a back out of it at the halfway point. Don't you remember?

That's what I mean. Remember that one airline that's like, hey, pay $8,000 in fly free forever or whatever, right? And or bring someone forever and they were like, they lost money on it. Yeah, I brought that up. That was in a book I read not that long ago that where they did that and it was there's still a film a few people like Mark Cuban and all that.

Yeah, yeah, there's still grandfathered in it was like something like two million dollars and you fly for free for life or something. It was like two it was a big number but they weren't they weren't computing like oh shit. We didn't add it all up over. Yeah, 20 years. 20 years, the business business guys traveling first class all over the world every other day. Every they want to go. Yeah, I'm going to go to France tomorrow.

They lost their ass. Lost their ass. There was one that my buddies did. So, best buy, when best buy was brand new, came out with this thing where if you signed up for one year of internet service through them, you got a $300 worth of stuff at their store, like anything you want of camcorders, whatever, a $300 gift card to their store. And you

could sign up for as many, you know, as many internet services as you wanted to. So someone found a loophole right away. It went viral. So you've, you you found out, and I remember being at school, my boy telling me, like, dude, this is when we were in junior college. So he's like, when you get out of class, you gotta go online, you gotta sign up for as many can, I'm going there right now. And they did like 10 accounts, because what you could do is get the gift card,

go buy all the stuff, and then turn right around and cancel the actual internet service. They didn't have that in the loophole. So best buy, you could probably, you might be able to Google this, like best buys, worst day in business, history, or whatever like that, or losing on internet service. I don't know what you would Google, Doug, but you could probably find this, it was years and years ago.

This is like 2000 when this happened, but man, I had friends that came up on like, the Teletee's the friends. Oh yeah, they were just using email accounts and signing up for like 10, 15eletee's the friends. Oh yeah, they were just, they were just using email accounts and signing up for like 10, 15 different things, getting all these gift cards, going there shopping, $1,500, $3,000 worth of stuff, going back home, canceling the internet service

right afterwards and then not having to pay more than the initial sign up. Well, we'll see what happens with Butcherbox. Give me that thing. Give me that. Give me all those horror stories. Baking forever. Yeah.

Back in the day, if a gym sold a lifetime membership, that was how you knew they were going to close their doors. This used to happen quite a bit to the point where, dirty. This is before the gym industry really became massive. Like this is before the 24-foot street show. I remember when Shrouders did that. Yes, yes. Remember that gym in San Jose?

Yes, yes. And what they would do, and they actually had, they, some like towns and cities and states pass laws against this where you couldn't sell a lifetime membership because what these gyms would do is they'd say, if you give us $3,000, you'll have a membership for life. And then, you know, And then they closed the door.

And then they closed the door four months later because they're trying to just, you just get a bunch of cash. A cash sale. Yeah, getting a bunch of cash up front. So then what gyms had to do is they had to sell an expensive membership and they had to sell you, you had to pay something so they'd do something like 10 bucks a year for the rest of your life or something like that.

Yeah. In order to get around the law. But a lot of gyms are doing that. They would sell these lifetime memories. I knew people like this. They'd be like, yeah, I bought a lifetime membership at that gym. They fucking closed the door six months later. I remember the shroders did that,

because they were right up the street, and I remember we caught wind. That's South Sound was that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was right down Santa Teresa. That's right. And I remember when we caught wind that they were going into business,

we were excited, because we were running out, that was back when I was at Santa Teresa. I was gonna gobble up all that business. Yeah, we were excited, but then I had caught, I heard that they were like selling lifetime, and I'm like, oh, that's dirty as fuck, dude knowing you're going out of business

Did you ever I don't know if you guys ever do this where you found out about a gym going out of business and you set up a tent in their parking lot Do you guys ever do that? We used to fly or play oh, yeah, oh no I did we would find out about gyms going out of business and we'd go in their parking lot and Set up a little table or whatever and offer free month membership Have you guys seen Uber and Lyft do this to each other? No. So anywhere you go, if you see like a Lyft office or a Uber office somewhere,

almost always you'll see the opposite company in the parking lot with a tent. And normally it's not in their parking lot because legally I don't think they can do that. It's like right up by my house. Next time you guys go to my house, when you go at that gas station, there's an Uber place right there.

And right next door to the gas station is the Uber office, and then in the gas station parking lot, so it's not quite in the Uber's parking lot is a tent for lift, and they're getting applications. And since the two companies don't, I mean, they are competitors, but they're not the same time because almost everybody I know who- They do both. They do both. So they can use either option. Which one's bigger?

Oh, Uber's bigger. Uber's bigger? Yeah, yeah, Uber's bigger. Yeah, it's in the future. It's like a dystopian future. In the future, Uber lift wars, you know. They started, they're fashioning like machine guns on their cars and shit.

I got my pinkie uniform pretty far. Speaking of going to Manhattan Beach, we need to tell our audience that now, because people keep asking us when the next live event is coming up. You know, when you guys doing the next live event. So our next live event is already sold out. We're doing it, you know,

actually by the time this airs, I think we would have already done it. But we have new other events coming up. We have July 12th in San Francisco. And that's gonna be Viori. So Viori will be hosting that one. Then we're in Denver on July 20th, and I believe that's with Ned, the hemp oil company.

And then July 26th, we're gonna be, and this one will be hosted by Skinny Dip. This one's gonna be in Seattle. So now you can go on the website mindpumplive.com and you can sign up for these future events take a look and see if you can make one of them. Yeah, and there's more there's more we're doing she's just in a set out like the furt the three at a time or so because it would sell out so fast and then people So we're doing it away so you have it way advanced notice. You can get on and side up and what.

Get in better at this. Yeah, near you or whatever. So I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com.

That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Dene Jor. What are your thoughts on training intuitively versus sticking 100% to a plan? All right, I was getting out of hand now. All the intuitive. Everything's intuitive. It takes a long time before you can start to train in an intuitive way, because what does intuitive really mean?

I used to fight you on this a lot before I started talking about this. For this exact reason, just being able to do it. It means you're like super educated on the subject. You now you have room for flexibility. It's the goal. That's the idea. The idea is to know, to kind of really understand how to listen to your body and train. And by the way, you should have a component of this, even if you're not training intuitively, even if you are following a program. Right. Good point. You should still try to listen to your body. The problem is, if you do it completely intuitively,

is that people don't know your intuition could suck. Well, they just don't have it. They don't have it. They don't know what to look for. They don't know what to listen to. If I trained intuitively growing up, and which I did, sometimes I did, 90% of my workouts would have been too hard.

I would have been doing chest and back and shoulders. Yeah, it would have been ineffective type workouts. Scheduled planned workouts are the reasons why I did things like train my legs. It's the reason why I did things like higher reps. It's the, it is what got me on a structure to do things that I knew were right for my body, but in the moment

you just want to do what you think is fun and what you think is going to be awesome. So I don't think very many people are in this place. I think this is more relegated to like, you know, have you been working out for 10, 15 years, you know? Oh, I agree with that with this and the nutrition into it. I know that that should be, I think you say it best with it. This should be everybody's goal. You should be seeking. So instead of blindly following a program like that, that be, I think you say it best with it. This should be everybody's goal. You should be seeking.

So instead of blindly following a program like that, that's what you don't want to be doing. You don't want to even our programs, right? You don't want to just blindly follow our program. The way we wrote all of our programs with the intent to educate at the same time. It wasn't just bunch of random exercises and hey, these are hard, go do them.

It's, hey, there's thought put into the order that we order all the exercises. There's a reason why this exercise and not other exercises. And so, you know, your goal as you're going through that is trying to learn that unpack that. Now, if you're listening to the show and you're following program, hopefully we've kind of helped piece that together for you and made intuitive training easier for you. But by no means should it be something that everybody is doing because it's just like me.

If you were to throw me on in, I love watching ice hockey, but I've never played the fucking sport in my life before. And if you threw me on a hockey rink and expect me to intuitively know where to be and flow with the game, I couldn't. And even though I understand the game and I've played the video game and I understand, you know what I'm saying? I would not intuitively know how to flow within the game until I've put probably years and years and years of practicing with teams, understanding the sport inside

and out. That's just training is just as difficult and there's so much science behind it that it's not simply just intuitive training isn't just, oh, I feel my body isn't that sore so I know I can get after it. Like that's a piece. Like that's a tiny piece.

So I have to conjure up a plan on the spot and on the fly and I think that's really like, would be a better definition of intuitive training is like having that extensive knowledge and, you know, experience within creating structure for yourself. Like, you know, when I'm in this situation, this is what I can apply. And so you can kind of pull from past experience, past knowledge on the spot, but it's still coming from a place of structure. So it's not like, you know, we all

definitely benefit from getting back to super rigid structure. Like that's something I'm always like having to check myself. I gotta get back to structure. So it's, there's times where it is good to kind of go off the path and be creative and be flexible with what you're doing and what's pulling you towards it, but I'm always like coming right back to structure because I know that is the formula, that is what works. And it's applied and I've found benefit from that. Well, anytime you're going in totally,

whether it be nutrition or training, you're guesstimating. You're still room for even someone with the most trained eye and the most, the deepest understanding of physiology and deepest understanding of nutrition, you're still guesstimating, you know, you're, if you're not tracking or following a, a plan, you're guesstimating and it's like, you know,

somebody who is relatively new at training or relatively new at, you know, tracking their is relatively new at training or relatively new at, you know, tracking their food, it's probably going to be less good at guesstimating than somebody like, let's say, Sal who's been doing it for 20 years of his life every single day and is, and is pretty much read and studied that subject more extensively than any other subject. Yeah. And, and I would argue too, like Justin's saying,

like I still benefit from going back to structure. Yeah, most of my training and dieting right now is very intuitive, but I also don't have serious goals right now. I'm not trying to make major moves. I'm trying to be healthy and being a healthy. It's pretty easy for me to intuitively make good, healthy food choices and take care of my body by doing movement and exercise. I'm not trying to make muscle gains.

I'm not trying to burn a bunch of body fat. I'm not trying to look a certain way, so it doesn't require that. But I've been guaranteed you right now if I set out a goal and said, hey, I want to look this way or perform this way. I mean, I would go right back to structure. Yeah, in order to really, really be effective

with intuitive training, you have to have an understanding of your body, you have to have a good understanding of exercise, and then you also have to have a good relationship with both of them, because it's not just enough to know these things, it's also, you also have to have a good relationship with them, because if I go to the gym, and I'm still dealing with body image issues and insecurities

or if I have a bad relationship with exercise to where I despise it and I don't value it because the truth is from a feeling perspective purely exercise hurts, it's exhausting, it's painful. You know what's more fun than in the moment than exercising, sitting on the couch and watching an awesome TV show or hanging out with your friends and having a drink or doing almost anything else than kicking your own ass in the gym. So you have to have a good relationship with it to the point where I enjoy the hard workouts when they're appropriate because I enjoy them for what they provide me and it's not It's not the pain necessarily. I view it and I feel the pain,

or at least I perceive it a little differently because I have a good relationship with it. And so it requires all of those things to do, to be intuitive, but like for myself, for example, I've been working out for a long time. Here's my intuitive component. Now I know that I'm gonna work out my full body three days a week.

I know this. I know that on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I'm gonna go to the gym and I'm gonna hit my entire body. I also know that on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'm gonna do some core work, mobility work, and some calf work, okay? And that's just right now what my routine is kind of looking like. So that's the structure.

Now here's the intuitive part. I may go to the gym Monday and I may think I'm going to do six sets per body part. And I think today I'm going to do mostly machines or maybe a Wednesday and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go way more intense, but I'm going to do two sets per body part or maybe you know what I'm going to do today. I'm going to do no isolation movements. I'm going to do all compound movements and reduce my volume because I'm listening to my body and I see how I feel.

And Tuesday and Thursday, that'll help dictate what mobility I do or how intense I do the mobility. That's the intuitive aspect of my current workouts, but I still have the structure of knowing, these are the days I'm gonna do these types of workouts, but then of course I listen to my body. But it takes a while. It takes a while to get there.

So I always caution people to good about this go-by feel thing because most people don't really have a good grasp of what that even means. Nutrition is like this, like most people have no, they have no concept of what that really even means. I mean, if they were to do something intuitive, it would be eat the thing that's the tastiest. It would not be eat what's best for my body,

or best for my mind, or whatever. So it takes a long time, but you can get there, you can definitely get there. It just, I think what really matters is the goal, right? Because if someone comes to me and they go, Adam, I love the shape that I'm in currently already. I don't want to track food.

I don't like following a rigid workout plan. Can I just work out, you know, my favorite class on these days and go for a hike on these days? I just feel I like being active. Right. And you just want to be, yeah. That's a long-term plan actually. That's when you find people who've been working out

for a long time. Right. I mean, that's when you find people who've been working out for a long time. Right, I mean, you don't have to track food, you don't have to be on a rigid plan exercise-wise, because you're already content with where you're currently at, and you pretty much care more just about kind of maintaining that, and you have a good understanding of what's good and what's not bad, what nutrition-wise, and you know what exercise you enjoy doing

that you do consistently, and so you have found it. Like, fucking, hey, nothing's wrong with that. Go for it, that's awesome. But I caution when we talk about intuitive eating and training, because I know that a majority of clients, and a majority of the people probably listen to show, they have goals. They wanna lose 20 pounds.

They want to build five pounds of muscle. They want to shape their body a certain way. They want to perform better when they do whatever. And so if you have specific goals, and you're also trying to eat intuitively and train intuitively, that's a tough thing to do. Like it's kind of like that's where you have not you eventually evolved.

I've got a great analogy to kind of explain this. When you first get your driver's license, the cost of car insurance is at the most expensive it's ever going to be when you're a teenager. You're 16, 17 years old, you just start driving. And car insurance, at least for males, doesn't drop in price for a while for you until you get much older. Now think about yourself, how long did it take you to be able to drive intuitively? It took a long time if you really think about it.

Like now I can drive intuitively, I'm in my car, I'm driving, it doesn't mean I'm not paying attention, I am, but I can read signals, I know when cars are merging, I know how to move and drive, I know when to hit my brakes or whatever, but when you're first driving, you're fucking thinking a lot about what you're trying to do. And if you're a 16 year old kid and you're trying to drive intuitively, that's when shit goes wrong, that's when stuff happens. It took a long time and you drove every day.

Think about that, you were driving every single day for probably five years or more before you felt like you were driving pretty intuitively. Well, you exercise, you don't exercise every day, so you get less practice with working out. It's gonna take much longer than it took you to learn how to drive intuitively. And theoretically, it's far more complicated with your workout, because there's so many different variables

and so many things you can apply on your body, and your body's always changing. And changes when you have a goal. Because if you also have a goal, now you're trying to be a race car driver and intuitively drive at the same time, which is just making... No, and those guys do race intuitively. They're the best race car drivers do drive intuitively. But fuck me, you know how long it took them to get to that point?

When they know, they know that just to move the steering wheel, a micro centimeter to the left so they could get the right angle and when they hit the gas at the right, I mean, that's some brilliant shit, but 100% they weren't born with that and it took a long, long time. But I will say this, Adam, in response to what you're talking about, the person who says they just like to be active every day, those are the people, and I've known a few of those people, the people who've been working out forever, who just, you know, I don't really have a plan, but I like to be active every day,

I've been working out for 30 years. Those people have the healthiest relationships with exercise, I've ever run into. Those are people who you know forever. They're not gonna stop. They're never gonna stop. They're fit and healthy, they could care less about building more muscle, getting leaner, whatever.

Well, they've made the connection. They've made the right connections. They are now at a place where it's like, I'm doing these things and you say it all the time and I think it's such a great statement is that doing it because you love yourself. You know, it's like, hey, I recognize when I'm on my exercise routine and I'm making good food choices,

I'm a better human being. I have more energy. I'm happier to be around. I sleep well. Like, my stomach feels good. Oh, and by the way, I look pretty good too around. I sleep well, like my stomach feels good. Oh, and by the way, I look pretty good too, but I don't really care that much about that because I'm doing it all because I want to be a healthy person.

And that person, and it's also to a point that I made on my stories of the day, which is, you know, we have, by the way, I meant to tell you guys this, we offended some people with the beach body stuff. I saw that. Oh, did you see that? I saw a few messages. Yeah, I didn't realize. Of course, you're gonna offend people because some people with the beach body stuff. We got to solve that. Oh, did you see that? Yeah, I've seen a few messages.

Yeah, I didn't realize. Of course, you're going to offend people because some people had success. Right. That's what we had burning calories. Right, so I got a long old email from somebody who, you know, has been, you know, doing beach body for three years and has had lots of success and like just felt

it vended, you know, you guys say one minute you're a competitor, the next minute you're talking shit about them, I don't understand. And it's like, whoa, whoa, first of all, you know, we stand by what we say, the programming is shit. But that doesn't mean that you can't have success doing that. In fact, we've said on this show many times

that a superior program done inconsistently is not better than a shitty program done consistently. So if you, that's a testament to you and your dedication sounds like you were very consistent for many years and that consistency has paid off well for you. That doesn't necessarily mean that it was program well. You just know there's a different formula. That's out there that's better. Exactly. It could have been that much better. So if you had that great of results following pro pro pro programming, imagine the results that you would have had.

Hey, if it got you into shape and hooked you in, then I understand the loyalty to it, but it's a fucking fact. It's a fact it's poor program. You've all passed it. Yeah. Next question is from Dance Girl. Thoughts on training with suspension training systems. Is it a good tool to incorporate with strength training? Do we still have the the mod, the suspension training mod? We do, it's in maps anywhere. Is it maps anywhere, maps performance?

It's maps anywhere. Yeah. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of suspension training. I think I think it's one of the challenges with body weight training has always been being able to scale it. Yeah, like regressive, regressive. You're getting stronger.

How do I add more resistance to a pushup? How do I make these things more difficult? So I'm not doing five million reps of the same exercise. Or regress things, like for example, like a pull up. That's right. If you can't do a pull up, like, oh man, I love a suspension trainer for teaching somebody

a body weight type of a row exercise. Yeah, you mentioned closed chain versus open chain. And so there's another way you can incorporate that and you can scale it. So yeah, you can make it more intense by like changing the angle, getting closer to the anchor away from the anchor. And I feel like too, just like more ways to use your body,

against gravity, I find a lot of value in that and really getting more body awareness involved. And it's a different skill altogether. I mean, there's, there's the thing about strength is it can be quite specific. In other words, if you get really, really strong at working out a particular way, there's carryover to, you know, general strength, but most of the strength that you gain is with that specific thing that you train. So if you're always training with open chain movements where you're moving away away from your body, you're going to get really good at open chain movements, but you're not going to get as good at the close

chain stuff. The close chain stuff, which is you're moving your body and not something away from your body. It's like a push up, it's closed chain versus a bench press, which is open chain. You're gonna gain a lot more body awareness like Justin was talking about. Suspension trainers give you just a lot of variety. I can really go a lot of different directions with a suspension trainer

and create a whole host of different types of closed chain movements. I wouldn't say that they're the best muscle builders in direct comparison to weights. However, if you go, if you never do it, with neuromuscular connections, it's very good for that. I mean, I've brought this up a few times about like taking a year off of weights

and really just working on suspension training and working on. That's right, you did do that. Yeah, like Olympic rings and doing things that were very challenging. I mean, like doing a lot of like Olympic ring pull ups and like muscle ups and like I was getting like as far as I could go in terms of like

challenging my body against gravity. And you know, the strength was there, the physique itself like was different. Like it wasn't. That's where you're fat. Yeah, I was fat. Yes, you can, the strength was there, the physique itself was different. Like, it wasn't... That's where you're fat. Yeah, I was fat. Yes, you can't damn it, Adam. I was on a roll there.

And then he fat-chips me. Yeah. Probably, I don't remember. I don't remember. Actually, you were, I remember when you were that, just fucking... No, it was, you were really injured that time. Well, when I first got to 24 when I was like,

working for Adam, I was, I had had like a little bit of a get, like coming from Chicago, I like, I'll never leave it down. Even when I met Courtney the first time, like she saw my ass crack and everything because I was just like, I was carrying a few extra LBs. You know, so she was like, anyway, so. Yeah, that did happen. But this, I don't think so, but yeah, I was, I definitely

like benefited from doing that in terms of body awareness and being able to generate more force and feel like I was more supported in my joints. I would argue that the suspension trainer may be one of the best, you know, trainer tool inventions in the last decade. Uh huh. I agree. Would you not? I would 100% agree. When I think of all the new toys and stuff that we've seen come in the last two decades, like I would say that that tool, I've used that and I think it,

it's so cool too, that you can take it on a run for outside. So if you're convenient, yeah, if you're an outside, I pretty can throw that thing over a tree and get an awesome outdoor workout If I if I worked out at home and I didn't have Waits, but I wanted to maintain a good physique give me suspension trainer and my body and I would be I would be good That you know the problem again with the body weight training without suspension trainers has always been how creative can I get at? Scaling this up at scaling this up and scaling this down and it's really hard.

Suspension trainer gives you all kinds of... Oh yeah. You can do a lot of your auxiliary movements. You can do a lot of arms and shoulders and triceps stuff which is tough to do when you're doing body. We gotta be strong. Like to do a close grip push up, that's tough to do for people.

Yeah, you can regress it to your knees but there's only so far you go, shoulders, what are you gonna do? Like a inverted push up? Like it's, I mean, that's about all you can do for a handstand push up. For body weight stuff, right? There's not a lot of options.

And I know there's some cool little unique ones that I've done for body weight, but it's challenging. With this suspension trainer, I mean, you could do some really good tricep, bicep, shoulder type movements that will develop your arms and you can really regress it and you can really progress it to where you work your way up

to some of those really tough movements. That's a trend that's not gonna go away. No, I think it'll go away. Great tool. Yeah, I think the popularity of it may change, but I don't think it'll ever go away. And I remember when it first got introduced, it blew up.

I mean, it was all over the place real quick and there was branded companies promoting their own classes and stuff like that. And I'm always skeptical. Anytime I see a new fitness trend, but I immediately knew this would be good because I knew the success of, I knew the benefits of training with things like rings.

You know what I'm saying? Really, what are suspension trainers? It's like rings for everyday people with more variety. Like I can do much more things with rings. Rings is much more advanced because they're typically set at one height. It's a very regressed version of rings. Yeah, and so as soon as I saw it, I was like,

oh yeah, of course. In fact, I remember thinking to myself, like, damn it, why didn't I market this? Because it's not really an invention. It's just so brilliant. It's so brilliant. When you think of companies like TRX who branded it so well and they patented the way they

made their stories behind that too about how that got patented and how somebody else actually invented it. Really? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh really, the guy handed it off. So there's rumors about, I can't really verify that that was the actual case or not,

but I've heard lots of rumors about him taking the product with him, going overseas with it because he was in the military, showed it off to his buddies, really liked it and then got a bunch of investors together and just basically made it and then ran with it. So yeah, from Jim and Chicago actually, like I forget what they're called. I think it's something monkey Jim,

but it was all like suspension trainer based kind of Jim and they like had come up with all these crazy concepts. So there's some stuff, some dirty business stuff. Bro, you know how common that is? All the time. Brands that we know of that are massive and big and it was like, it was somebody else's idea first that but somebody else came in and just said.

Well, here's the way I look at it better. Yeah, that was just a say. Yeah, here's the way I look at it. Like, if you have a great idea but you're failing to market it and really get on it, it's open, man. Someone could see it, tweak it a little bit and they're the ones willing to invest

the capital and time to market because it's not a cheap thing. No. You create a suspension chain. Imagine if they didn't exist right now, right? You create one, it's not like you're just gonna all of a sudden blow up, you're gonna probably have to invest 50 to $100,000 in just getting it out there.

So somebody else, you're gonna take massive risks. That's right, so somebody else might have the balls to do it and you didn't necessarily do it. That's what it works. That's how it goes. Next up is Amber Bryan, you know, that's how it works. That's how it goes. Next up is Amber Brian 615 during compound exercises. I feel one side engaging more than the other. Is there a way I can prevent this? They're absolutely is a way you can prevent this. But you might

not want to do it. I've communicated this to many, many people, and people do not like to give up their heavy compound lifts to do this, but here's the solution. Move to primarily, if not entirely, unilateral training, start with your weak side, the side that you feel like isn't engaging, and then match those reps with your strong side. Do not do the opposite. Don't start with the strong side, and then try to match it with the weak. Do not do the opposite. Yeah. Don't start with the strong side

and then try to match it with the weak side. And do this for a while. It may actually, depending on the person, I had this kid I trained years ago who was a pitcher and he pitched up throughout his entire childhood up in high school. And he threw fast. This guy threw some heat and coaches

were looking at animal wherever. But one of these coaches noticed the different, the disparity between his right and left side. Like it was a big disparity. Like you could see muscle development on the pitching side and versus the non-pitching side. And so this is how I had to train him. For months, I had to train this way.

I remember specifically even with bench, like I noticed that my left arm would come up a lot faster than my right arm and that was really just compensating for the fact that my left side was weaker. So I was trying to really emphasize the left and then right. So I immediately took it to a unilateral training and dumbbell training and just stepped away from it for a while and it made a massive difference coming back and then getting that balance reestablished.

I have nothing to share because I think you shared my advice already. Well, I think I've said that on the podcast before because it was actually close to home for me too is I had like a really underdeveloped, I had no chest, but I had like a concave on one side. It was like totally bad. And I remember as I started getting into weight training and I didn't understand this concept, that imbalance grows. So if you don't address it,

and you keep it in the box. Both sides will grow, but one side of this girl faster. Yeah. And honestly, what I started to notice was that it gets worse, you know, because one keeps taking over and it becomes more and more dominant. So it's like one's not getting nowhere near the stimulation and the exercise. The other one's over stimulated for those movements because it's taking over the load.

And so it really started to get worse. So, you know, at one point, you should, I mean, and I did this for a long time. Like so to Justin, you know, the last question you talked about, a year of like, in my take that long. Oh, I spent, I spent probably years, and that was because I started to notice that there was, and I was gaining just as much muscle,

like unilateral movements are incredible. You do not, I mean, compound movements are amazing. And when you talk about the biggest bang for your buck and the entire body having to communicate together, 100% of, well, oh my, you can never squat, but do a single leg pistol squat and do one leg at stuff forever and develop amazing legs. And if you have imbalances like this

and you can feel it when you go through a movement, yeah, I mean, that's almost an immediate signal for me anymore. Like right now, like my hip is bothering me a bit, my right foot externally rotates a lot when I squat and I'm like, well, I need to focus on your lateral training. I just need to get outside of, you know, training with the barbell for a bit

to allow, you know, everything with a barbell for a bit to allow, you know, everything to develop at the same pace. And so get back on track, get reestablished, rebalanced in the way that, you know, my muscles are firing in that whole sequence. So it's just a great thing to address. If you have any kind of imbalancing consistency, any pains, it's something that you should consider. Well, so this one, I mean, for me, this was a thing because I didn't want to leave my barbell compound movements because I knew correctly that barbell

compound movements were the best strength and muscle building exercises. I knew this and said, I don't want to give it up because then I'm not going to gain as fast or whatever. And then I realized something. And here's something that I'm going to communicate to you that this might help motivate you. Compound, barbell movements are the best muscle building and strength building exercises when they're done properly with the right stability, mobility and connection. When something is off, that exercise, you're not reaping the maximum benefits. In that case, you're gonna build more muscle and strength

going unilateral. And this is what I found. I grew more. Doing all this one arm, one leg shit than I had the previous four years in my lifting career. When we talk about things being the best, we're talking about their potential. So like if I say the deadlift is the best

like back building exercise that you could possibly do, that, not if you do it shitty, but you can't do a good deadlift. You can't do it properly, whatever. Then that means it's not for you. So if you're finding that one side is not engaging, exercises are looking off, you're not developing one side like the other one, then that means those movements are not the best for you. That's all it is. So regardless of all the stuff that you hear about, how great they are, that's the potential that they have. You are not reaching their potential. Go to Unilateral, give yourself a long time to train

Unilateral, start with the weak side, then move to the strong side, so you can match the weak side versus the other way around. And then, who knows, a year or two later, you go back to the barbell movements. Now you can reap the maximum benefit of those phenomenal exercises But until you get to that point those exercises are inferior for you Next question is from Amber Beth Is all muscle created equal?

Can a person with more compact muscle be stronger than someone built like a bodybuilder? Oh hell yes. That's a cool, actually question. I remember as a kid, this confused the shit out of me. Like I would see these big muscular dudes and then I'd see guys who were like smaller and who were stronger. I remember we had this family friend in my family

who was a friend of ours and he was a ex-competitive bodybuilder. He's a compete on the amateur level. And to me, he was like the biggest dude I'd ever known. Like he was, and I mean, looking back, he was pretty damn muscular. He probably had 19 in charms, relatively lean, you know, at this point, he was retired,

but he was just this freak. Look, for me, right? Now, I was a kid and graduated with strength and stuff. And then you have my dad. My dad is, I mean, he's not muscular, but he's also not super muscular. He just looks kind of like a, like a like a blue collar worker would look. And I remember this guy coming over for dinner with his family, and my dad had just bought a weight set and you know they start getting into talks about how strong and this and that. My dad's always been into strength and whatever and it's kind of a family thing for us.

And I remember them going on the backyard and loading up a barbell and one arm snatching it and I'll never forget my dad one arm snatches 135 135 pound barbell, one arm snatch. The bodybuilder guy, you know, our family friend, couldn't fucking figure out what the hell was going on. So then it turned into this competition of who could lift more or whatever. And many of the exercises, my dad beat him doing it. And I remember thinking like, what the fuck? This makes no sense.

That's an awesome moment as a son, dear, I tell you. Oh yeah, totally. You guys are super like dad is. I'm also pretty sure that it contributes to my poor body image issue because I was, I was like, that's like fuck with the hell. But anyway, I remember I couldn't figure it out. But now of course, as a fitness professional,

understanding what I know, strength, yes, muscle, bigger muscle contracts harder. That's true. Bigger muscle does contract harder, but there's way more to strength than just the muscle that there's a lot. I mean, I saw an example of this too when I was watching this kid

that was a little bit older than me, challenge our camp counselor, who was like a big guy to arm wrestling. And I'm like, dude, he has no fucking chance. There's no way. And like we're all like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And of course, you know, the camp counselor goes in at the super cocky and is just like,

I'm gonna crush you. And then he comes in, he comes in with his technique where he like uses all of his force at once in the very beginning and he's trying to get him down and roll in. Meanwhile, the other guy has like perfect technique. He's got his elbow pulled in, he's got his wrist in the right position, everything. He's in tight.

He's letting him exert all his energy and then bam, slams his arm onto the table. I just blew my mind. I was like, no way. But that kid, like he had this ability to just really tense up his entire body and he had this crazy strength that he could summon and also follow his technique. So those two factors together that produces a incredible result.

Well, this is one of my favorite things that Sal said on the, and we used to say it a lot on the show. I feel like we haven't talked about it in a really long time, just probably because we wore it out. But I remember when we first all got together, and because I knew, I understood the impact that central nervous system had on strength. And that was this, that was the big difference between these Olympic lifters and these big, massive pro bodybuilders.

Like this, this person had really tapped into maximizing their CNS output. And when you gave the analogy that I never had heard anyone give before, I thought, oh my God, where was that for me to explain that to clients? And so I love to share that. And I share it all the time. And you were the first person I ever heard say that when you compared the central nervous system to being an amplifier for speakers and speakers are like muscles and you could have these massive,

you know, 20 inch subwoofers that are big and impressive in what you see at concerts. But if you got this little weenie amp that is powering those speakers, you'll never get the full output of what those speakers, you'll barely hear anything. output of what those speakers you'll barely hear anything. You'll barely hear anything. In fact, you could have little 12 inch subwoofers

with the most powerful amp that maximizes everything out of those 12 inch, and those 12 inch subwoofers will outpower those massive 20 inch subwoofers. And that was like a light bulb moment for me as far as a coach or a trainer on how I explain the importance of central nervous system training and the importance of understanding the CNS as the kind of the missing piece, I think that a lot of people neglect to talk about

when talking about exercise and programming. And to me, that's the best way to explain that visually for somebody who's looking at, I don't understand why a massive bodybuilder like that could be so much weaker than this Olympic lift. I think, and I forgot what the number was, but I believe it was something like 50%, I believe it was that the average person can summon

about 50% of their total strength. And this is because the body has natural governors. some in about 50% of their total strength. And this is because the body has natural governors. So the body doesn't allow you to go past a certain point for risk of injury. So your body's always trying to protect itself. So it's like, we're not gonna let you overbearing mother.

Yeah, we're not gonna let you put out more than 50% of your total strength. Now trained athletes are able to get that number higher and higher to the point where Olympic athletes I think are tested or it's estimated that they can exert up to 95% of their total strength and this is because their body, they've trained their body to be okay with exerting that much force. So the central nervous system it plays a big role.

This is the reason why you can take caffeine and you're stronger. Your muscle didn't grow. Well, there's lots of it. But the caffeine made your CNS turn up a little bit. There's lots of examples of this in sports too. Like you look at like hitting a home run ball. It was someone pitchin' 90 miles and not try, you ever try to do that?

You know, fuckin' hard, that is to do that. You know, hard is to hit a golf ball. It's hard just to make connection with it, much less to generate the most power and force until you've created this great connection with your CNS and you've mastered that pattern down with your CNS and you've mastered that pattern down so many times. Now you can call upon all of your strength, everything at once and then wham and then

you hit this home run wham, you can drive this ball 350 yards. Like then you can do that but you first have to get that get connected really well and teach that pattern really well before you can call upon it like that. And that's speaking to the CNS. And so we see examples of this in sports all the time. But there's great examples of that in bodybuilding and Olympic lifting. And to your point about,

we most people on average can only call upon 50%. And I believe that is the right number. And I know I've read somewhere that Olympic lifters are known for being able to get like 80% to 90% of their percentile. So they're able to summons almost double what the average person can actually summon to do these considerable fees. And then you can't forget technique and leverage.

So let's look at leverage, for example. Let's say you, I'm going to try and explain this on the podcast. It might be a little difficult, but let's look at the bench press, for example. Let's just look at the power of the chest produces. Now, think about the places that the peck inserts on the upper arm, the humerus, because that's where it inserts, right? The peck, it's got insertions along the sternum, and then it kind of comes together in a search on the humerus. And when it contracts, it pulls the upper arm closer to the center of the body. So now, if you're picturing a bench press, it's bringing the upper arm closer to the center of the body. So now, after you're picturing a bench press,

it's bringing the upper arm closer to the center of your body. If that attachment is lower on my humorous, it's gonna pull with far more strength because the leverage is much better. I have got attachments that give me better leverage. Chimpanzees are a great example of this. Chimpanzees, one of the reasons why they are so much to have stronger than humans, part of it is their CNS.

The other part of it is their leverage is incredible. They have much better leverage for, especially their upper body than humans do. Now you know what chimps can't do as well as humans? Squat, they don't have great leverage for squats. The way that their body is designed is kind of this upper body type of strength. And so leverage plays a role.

And then technique plays a role. Oftentimes, you get stronger at an exercise, not because you built more muscle, but just because you got better at the exercise or better at that movement. Like, who's able to generate more force on a bike? Somebody who knows how to ride a bike real well or somebody who doesn't know how to ride a bike? Right. So, it's just a strong legs. Well, there's a psychological element to that too.

Like you really refine and establish this neurological pattern, you know, and like the more you practice it, it makes your body recognize it faster and feel that, you know, it's in a safe type of a movement to where like it recognizes that pattern and we're gonna be okay. feel that it's in a safe type of a movement to where it recognizes that pattern and we're gonna be okay. So therefore we can now apply a bit more force in that direction.

Yeah, and this is why you hear those stories of like, the mom who lifts the car to save their kid or police officers will talk about, bends the door all the way off its hinge. Yes, or cops will tell you stories about scrawny drug addicts who are high on PCP and it's like it took four officers just to hold them down.

Meanwhile, the guy tore muscles off his own bone because he's exerting so much force. Aftermath is crazy. Yeah, so it's like, there's so many, so many things that go into strength besides just how hard a muscle could contract but the fact remains a bigger muscle will contract harder than a smaller muscle So if you're talking about a strong person, you know, and they got great technique great CNS graded muscle attachments Will they be stronger with bigger muscle all things being being equal, yes. Strong men aren't tiny. That's true, absolutely.

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