Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1051: The Pros & Cons of the One Rep Max, Meal Frequency Myths, How to Find Your Purpose in Life & MORE

Episode Date: June 12, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the benefits of one rep maxes, frequent small meals vs infrequent large meals, what it means to be strong beyond just the physical component, and how to find your purpose in life. Recap of the live event in Manhattan Beach, competitive team time, getting caught in a vortex & MORE. (6:30) How Four Sigmatic is crushing it! (19:11) Public opinion vs. reality: Fair Oaks Farms animal abuse scandal explained. (23:25) Organifi, a great place to work. (33:50) The next big UFC fight: Justin Bieber calls out Tom Cruise. (36:37) It's official: NASA is opening the International Space Station to tourists. (38:56) Study: Exercise as the primary treatment if you have a mental disorder. (42:42) Study shows how the nervous system can transmit information across multiple generations. (48:15) #Quah question #1 – How do you guys feel about one rep maxes for yourself and for your clients? I’m into powerlifting and strongman so I see them as necessary, but what about for overall health? (51:04) #Quah question #2 – What are the benefits of having smaller meals throughout the day vs large less frequent meals? Or is it just a personal preference? (1:00:34) #Quah question #3 - What does it mean to be a strong man to you? What does it mean to be a strong woman beyond just the physical component? (1:08:46) #Quah question #4 – What would you guys suggest for someone to find their purpose in life? (1:20:11) People Mentioned Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Tero Isokauppila (@iamtero)  Instagram Justin Bieber (@justinbieber)  Instagram Shanna Mota (@lilmota)  Instagram Drew Canole (@drewcanole)  Instagram Mark Manson (@markmansonnet)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned June Promotion: MAPS Strong ½ off!! **Code “STRONG50” at checkout* Check out Mind Pump Live to get tickets for their next live event! Visit Four Sigmatic for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Meet the 34-year-old founder who naps on a nail bed and is selling millions of dollars of mushroom products 3 people charged in connection to Fair Oaks Farms animal abuse video The 20 Best Workplaces in Retail 2018 | Fortune Justin Bieber challenges Tom Cruise to MMA fight in bizarre tweet It's Official: NASA Is Opening The International Space Station to Tourists Exercise: Psych patients' new natural prescription Israeli study: Nervous system can transmit messages to future generations Are You Strong? | T Nation Man's Search for Meaning – Book by Viktor E. Frankl Mind Pump 1050: Mark Manson- The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Start with Why - Book by Simon Sinek The Purpose Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For? - Book by Rick Warren Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this brand new episode of Mind Pump, it smells new. We talk all about fitness and health, and in the first 48 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. Here's what we covered throughout the episode. We start out by talking about our live event at Manhattan Beach in Los Angeles.

We had an amazing time with everybody. Thank you so much for showing up and giving us your support. We are doing more of these live events soon. We're opening them up. They sell out like crazy. We have one July 12th in San Francisco, one July 20th in Denver and one July 26th in Seattle. They are selling out fast. If you want to book one of these,

you want to meet us in person and watch a live. We want to see you in person. Yeah, watch the live event. Go to mindpumplive.com. Then I talk about Tero. He's the CEO of ForSigmatic. Apparently, for 30 to 40 minutes out of every day, he sleeps on a bed of nails. Yeah, he's kind of an eccentric guy. Anyway, ForSigmatic makes amazing supplements out of mushrooms. These are medicinal, functional mushrooms.

My favorite is cordiceps. I use it pre-workout when I'm gonna do long and grueling workouts. Doug likes to use a racie for relaxation and sleep in the evening. Shaga great adaptogen, great supplement to help your body deal with stress. Anyway, you can go on their website forsigmatic.com. That's F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C you are s i g m a t i c dot com forward slash mine pump and get 15% off your entire order. Then we talked about the fair is it fair oaks company the dairy company investigation

they got caught doing some pretty bad things to their cows. Yeah fair life they're partner. Fair life. That's right. Anyway, there's a lot of controversy around that. We have a great discussion around that one. Then we talked about, Organify, the company that we work with that makes organic supplements. In 2018, they were named one of the best places to work by Fortune Magazine and they do

make all organic supplements, including protein powders. If you go to organify.com. Forts-MinePump and use the code the code Mind Pump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talked about the UFC fight that's gonna be happening between Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise, I hope Tom Cruise whoops his booty. I guess space is officially open for business. There's selling tickets now.

Let's go. I brought up a study on exercise and mental health. This one's groundbreaking. And then I brought up a study on exercise and mental health. This one's groundbreaking. And then I brought up another study on the nervous system, apparently they've identified a mechanism in which the nervous system can communicate to future generations. It's kind of weird.

Then we get into the fitness portion of this episode. The first question is, how do we feel about one rep maxes for both ourself and our clients? Are there any benefits to testing your max lifts out? The next question, what are the benefits of having small meals throughout the day versus large meals? What's better, large in frequent meals or small frequent meals? Next question, what does it mean to be a strong person?

We're not talking about the physical aspects of strength, but just strength in general. What does that mean to us? And the final question, how would we suggest people find their purpose in life? Apparently, we're experts on everything now. We just answer everything. So we talk all about purpose in that part of this episode. Also, this month, Maps Strong,

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Get yoke map strong is the program to get Teacher The map is strong is the program to get. Teacher time. And it's teacher time. Oh, she and Doug, you know it's my favorite time of the week. We had exciting twitching there. So we had quite a few reviews this week. The winners for iTunes. We have Stewie Q, Creek Paddle, Jacob Susky, SF Yang,

for Facebook, Rich DeLong, D long clay lawyer James Zalaki, Amelia Ray McPique, Stefan Latimer and Brandon Rabbit. All of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and include your Instagram handle. And we'll get that shirt right out to you. Am I on there? Bring it Justin.

Hey are you on sale? Do you want to start the show today? Yep, it's good. It's good. It's on. You're turning Adam. No. Yeah, bring it Adam.

I didn't turn my synthesizer on yet. You're synthesizer? Yeah, we need that. It seems you've tied it. I don't too. You know what's happening to me right now? That's weird. What?

It's not weird. Well, maybe it's weird for me. It's weird for me. It's not that, but that's something else, Justin. We'll talk about that later. It's, when I look at my phone for like longer than a minute, and then I look up, I can't see she as well. Uh-oh.

Takes me a second to refocus. Oh god, I'm old man eyes. Is that what's happening? Yeah. Old man eyes. Old man eyes. Can't fucking see. Yeah.

Yes. I do this so, so blurry. Yeah. I just't see. Yes, I did it so. So blurry. I'd you guys like Manhattan. Oh, what a great. That was one of our, I think that was one of our best ones. I think it's not even close. I thought it was a lot better.

I think a couple things. One, this was the first time we got a chance to mingle first. That seemed to relax us and the audience, right? I mean, I felt, I was a little nervous about that too. I told Taylor, I was like, I don't know if I like us hanging out before, I think I'd rather us hanging out afterwards. So I was concerned on what that would look like, but I think it played out a lot better.

It's starting to mirror more of like the show. Like you're showing up and you're watching a live mind-pump show almost. You know what I'm saying? It's got that vibe. This is what I felt when I was there. It's getting there. Yeah.

What always blows me away about these events is when you meet people, I am never prepared. As much as I think I'm prepared, I'm never ready to hear some of the stories that I end up hearing. There was one lady who had diagnosed with cancer and as she was treating herself or as she was coming out of the depression

that she got from the diagnosis, part of her success, she said, was listening to us on the podcast, which is like so humbling to hear. So mind pump cures cancers, what you're saying? No, not at all saying that. Geez, Adam. No, but it was very, very touching.

Then there was that guy who, when he raised his hand and talked about his divorce with his kids and how, you know, he appreciated me talking about that on the show and he started tearing up. Woo, I was close, bro appreciated me talking about that on the show and he started tearing up. Woo, I was close, bro. I almost lost it on stage, dude. I know he was the first guy I ran into and like, he almost got me. You know, we got a little bit choked up together for a second and I'm like, not right now, man.

No, it was awesome, dude. And then there was those giants that were there. There was two guys that were like- We're like four, actually. They're all like six eight. Yeah. I'm like, hold on, do you see the picture we took with them? Yeah.

Sorry guys, I'm not gonna post it. You're too damn big. I don't know. Talking shit to me about swimming. Yes, you will beat me at swimming probably. The only thing I can do is like two strokes in the already other side. Yeah, two of them just lay down.

I said, I'm talking shit to Ben Greenfield. I feel like he's in my class. Yeah. Like these dudes were like a good like he's in my class. Yeah. Like these dudes were like a good six inches taller than I was. Yeah. No, it was a good, it was such a good time. And then I'm really happy that we stayed longer and just hung out all of us.

I really enjoyed that. We got the whole, everybody together, had a great time with everybody. Played some volleyball, that was fun. That was a good time. Yeah. You know, it was a good thing we let Justin's team win, Adam. I felt like it needed a lot of confidence.

Yeah, I didn't even want to talk about it. I didn't even want to talk about it. I wasn't so deep. Yeah, I was laying it down out there, man. It was getting hot. Courtney and I were mad for like the next 48 hours. Yeah, I didn't get any sex after that, but. Oh, really?

It's, she's competitive. competitive like I was talking mad shit. That was serious for her and I did. I could see it in her. She was brought up with the proven down a man. First serve, first. First to you guys. Yeah, you guys did get us. Yeah, it was the balance way less and the one of the

one of the team bad guys is that what we're. And he first in the Vennas way less. Yeah, she's kick Andrews in the villa as well as it gets. You guys three real athletes, bro. All three athletes. Yeah, well, I mean, you had Courtney played. Yeah, she played like all three high school. Oh my god, I did decent.

Sal and Doug average out to like a one. Okay. No, no, no, no. Then that was even a scale of one to five athletic abilities, like, together. I almost pick up more coverage. I almost use Doug. I almost picked him up and used him to hit up. You know what I mean?

Like just combine our forces. Oh, grab by his legs. That would have been a good move. That would have been strategy. That was a fun game though, but everybody got a little sunburn. Trust them, it was looking a little pink out there. I had sand all my chute. That's what happens when you die for everything

and you can try with effort. That was my first time staying at that beach. So I mean, I've been up and down the coast right there, but I had never stayed on Madhat and Beach or where we marina Del Rey or whatever. Yeah, marina Del Rey area. Right, that whole area is considered Madhat and Beach, right?

We ended up going to Venice Beach. We ended up going to Venice Beach and I had never, because I've been to Venice Beach at least six times, because you know, muscle beaches there and goals and so I've, I've always excited to go down there, but I'd never been to the canals, the Venice canals. I think that's what they're called.

Oh yeah. Bro, I know why they call it Venice now. I know. It looks just like Venice. I had no idea that you existed. Have you ever been there? I have not. When you guys sent the pictures,

I did not know that existed there. It's literally houses on like canals, like in Venice, and you take a get a bridge is that you can get to like your neighbor's house. I'm assuming it's this very small area though, because I've been to Venice a bunch of times, I didn't even have two blocks or something. Yeah, it's like not that small. Yeah, some smaller stuff. How did you guys find it? Just come across it. We were walking. We're walking back. Yeah, it's like something small. Yeah, something small like that. How did you guys find it? You just come across it? We were walking. We were walking back. Yeah, we were walking from Venice back to where we were staying. Which by the way, we found a vortex. Oh my God, it was like the Bermuda Triangle of parking lots.

Yeah, we found, there's a few vortexes on earth, wormholes, whatever you want to call them. We found one of them. I'll tell you that story in a second. Yeah, it was the fabric of reality had just been did. It did, but we walked through the canals to get to our place, because Courtney was on the map and luckily she was navigating. But we had a map then.

So that's, yeah, let's not forget. And Muscle Beach is getting renovated apparently. So there were no weights. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, so apparently they're renovating the whole thing. But then they had the back area with the rings and the ropes and shit. So of course, Jessica's like, oh, it's a rope.

Let me show you a little spider. Dude, she's like, we're climbing that thing and flipping upside down and there was a lady watching giving her an applause every time she did a crowd. Oh yeah. Yeah, getting applause. Afterward, she was like, should I have done that? She did a crowd. Like, oh yeah, getting applause. Afterwards, she was like, should I have done that? She got a little Instagram like, baby,

no, it was awesome. You climbed the rub with your arms. Yes, she should have done that. Makes me look good. Keep doing it. No, so here's the vortex story, right? So this is a true story, by the way. I'm not going to embellish any of this.

There's 100% true. I'll make sure it's accurate. Doug and Justin were there, okay? So we get in our Airbnb, we get this apartment that is, it's a decent place and it's kind of overlooking the ocean a little bit, but it's a massive complex. So we get there, the guys like, I'll meet you out in the parking lot and the garage, I should say, and I'll walk you to the right elevator and then take you to the place. So we do that or whatever we get up there.

There's multiple elevators. Yeah, yeah, different places. We didn't know this. So we get up to the room, everybody's unpacking and we're like, we should go get some water from the grocery store real quick so that we have water in the place and then after we come back, after we get the water, then we'll go and meet up with you guys at your place because you guys were on the beach and we're gonna hang out all day, right? So Doug, Justin and I, walk out, get in the elevator, go down, and apparently there's

two levels where there's parking garages. So we went into one level, we get out and we walk around and we're like, we're, we're just not seeing it at all. This is not, the car was supposed to be right here. It's nowhere to be found. We walked all the way around. It couldn't figure it out. Go back to the elevator and I'm like, oh wait, there's another level.

Maybe it's on this other level. So we go to another level, walking around, and I'm hitting the key to try and make the car honk or whatever. Nothing, can't hear anything. We're walking, we can't find anything. It looks completely different from the garage that we had originally Parked in you me and and there's four of you right though the story we're hitting up every single exit

We're hitting up to see where the girls at they're up in the On the run. Yeah, okay, so it's you three No, I'm not an adventure. Okay, so we're walking around we're checking all the different exits Justins like oh, I'm gonna go up these stairs over here and get a bird's eye view, because he thought he would go up and look out to just orient himself. Yeah, I just wanna see,

because we were totally turned around. I'm like, if I'm stuck somewhere in the wilderness, you gotta go to the high ground. That's what I learned from Bellard, Bear Girls. That's right, so he goes up, and Doug and I are still looking around, and I hear faint screaming in the background. Sal, Sal. I'm like, in the background. Sal! Sal!

What the fuck? That's not my scene. I walk over in Justin voice. So, you know, it's something like that. It's more like that. I walk over Justin locked himself outside. I gotta climb up. I gotta let him in.

So they fucking lock you out. How long is this adventure so long? Oh, this time it's night. Yeah. Oh bro. That was probably like 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, we're 20 25 minutes 25 still trying to find I was wondering what took you guys so long to get to the house. Oh, bro. Oh, it keeps going so then I so then I'm like Let's get back in the elevator and just go back up to the room and start over so we go in the elevator

Yeah, we got a reset and the elevators on the 12th floor this elevator only goes up to three floors. I'm like I'm confused. Yeah, we kept getting in was only went to three. Yeah, I'm like, I'm confused. We kept getting in ones all the way, went to three. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? So finally, Justin's like, let's just get out of the building and see what the fuck's going on. It's really great. So we walk out of one of the exits. Here's the vortex part, okay?

So it's about 20 minutes of us walking around in a different side of town. We're walking around in circles. And we're in a garage, it's the same garage, I mean, it has to be, right? Because we don't leave the building. We leave the building. I'm like, we're in a garage, it's the same garage. I mean, it has to be, right? Because we don't leave the building. We leave the building. I'm like, we're like, we're, are we?

Justin puts the address on, because we're gonna walk around the building to go to the car, like from the outside. We're 1.7 miles away. Miles away. Oh, what? What? We have no idea how that happened.

Bro, do you have any idea how creepy of a feeling that is? Where we only walked around in circles, walk out, we're almost two miles away. How did this even happen? Yeah. It's a twilight zone. We're freaking out. Maybe we're on edibles on top of it.

Who knows, but anyway. That might have contributed. So we got the little scooters, the birds, and we're like, fuck it, we're not walking two miles around the miles. So we get on the scooters, we go all the way around, get the car, finally find it, we take off, it gets even better. Now we're following the GPS on the phone to get to the grocery store.

Two times it took us to dead ends, the frickin GPS did, a dead end. And then like literally, okay, so maybe, maybe it was clear before, but it had completely blocked the whole thing, so there's no access to get through there. And we're just like, what? And we're looking around for this left turn that doesn't exist.

And we just like, we're so perplexed through. Two different tells me to go, series tell me here. Yeah, so finally, there's nothing there. Finally, I'm like, fuck it, I'm going this way, and then we'll do it again. We'll pick it up, you know,

and then we'll go to a different grocery store, right? And send this to the same place. We end, yeah, and then we end up in like, I don't know, what part of LA we ended up. But all I know is, is we were, we were boxed in because there were cars behind us, cars in front of us stuck, and there was a naked crack whore right outside the window.

I saw the photos Justin, Justin shared. She was tripping. Yeah. Dancing and tripping and Justin was like, I'm like, do you better film this? Dude, he makes me film it, right? So I'm just like, oh, really? All right. And she would say, she sees that I'm filming it.

And so she starts walking over to us like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, ah, I put my phone down on my lap and I'm just like, I can't do it, I can't do it. She likes this. Yeah, so then we were just looking straight ahead. Yeah, we just ignore you.

But anyway, we made our way back. It was, the grocery store is, I'm not exaggerating. Maybe two miles away from where we were supposed to go. Yeah. This whole thing took us an hour and a half. Yeah, but we went to thisouse, and it was like, there was two rouse, like that, that's another thing that just blew my mind.

We were in a rouse, and we go around the corner, and then there was another rouse. Yeah, and the one that we ended up in was the bad rouse. Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm just like, there was just so many things. It was just, we got back, and I'm just like, I'm so happy. Like, who is the first to snap and get frustrated?

Oh, we were just, Justin was, I was actually pissed off. Just to say, someone snapped. I wasn't there, so. I didn't have a whole lot of patience that day. Just so as angry, he's like, this is the last time I have Courtney Book one of these places, first to swear, she's like, he's all deflecting on her, for Courtney. Yeah, I was so angry. It sucks, yeah. I was laughing, I'm like, he was all deflecting on her, dude, for Courtney.

Yeah, I was so angry. It sucks, yeah. I was laughing, I'm like, bullshit. Like this is an adventure. Yeah. But anyway, we made it back up. Yeah, I wasn't, I was still. But we're, how do you do that?

How do you walk in circles, then walk out and you're two miles away? We, even if we walk two miles away, it was weird. It was very, very strange. Anyway, we found our way back. Everybody's okay now. So, yeah. I think we needed two miles away, it was weird. It was very, very strange. We found her way back. Everybody's okay now. So, yeah. I think we needed to add like,

Grimlins or something. Like, it was interesting. So it's all good. Did you guys see the article? Did I share with you the article about, what's Terro's last name, Doug? You said you were gonna send it, but you didn't send it over to us.

Yeah, what's his last name? Honestly, I can't pronounce it. It's Terro. I'm gonna look up his name. Try. Okay. Terro's the, the four-signatic CEO. He's Taro. I'm gonna look up his name right? Try. Okay. Taro's the four-sigmatic CEO. He's the CEO of four-sigm.

The guy is like brilliant. Slightly eccentric, brilliant. Like that kind of brilliant, right? Totally. His last name is Isokapila. Isokapila, something like that. Exactly what I said. Sure, sure, that's what it is.

Anyway, super smart guy. I didn't know this. So in this article, they're talking about, well, they're talking about how four-sigmatic is just exploding. In fact, four-sigmatic in this article, this is CNBC article, is saying how four-sigmatic is single-handedly making like creating the mushroom market.

How it wasn't that big before, and now it's becoming this huge market because of four-sigmatic, their ability to just how good their products are and how they market. But anyway, they're talking about him. Did you guys know that he sleeps, or he takes a nap on a nail bed? I didn't know that.

For 30 to 40 minutes every day. What? Yeah, like a bed of nails. I feel like you would have tried that by now. I haven't, I haven't tried, I wanna try it. Deal? Yeah, I do. But apparently he says it, he wakes up refreshed.

He goes right to sleep and he wakes up refreshed. A bed of nails. I wanna try this. Yes, so what is that called when you get those needle, acupuncture, is it like, I would have, I would have, I would imagine it's the same idea of like what we talk about with the vibrating machine to get you to squat deeper

and relax body. I would think that you have all these pins in you. Good, this is a great point. That's my theory, right? And why that would work is you've got all this crazy, all these points on your body, that it kind of forces the CNS to relax and you probably do relax and fall asleep. If you can, once you can relax, right, once you can settle down.

So it's telling the CNS because it's just, it's overwhelmed with too much stimulus. Right. Too much stuff going on. So the CNS just like chill. Right. Which is the same theory that what happens when you do those vibrating plates, right? When you, you're trying to get somebody into a deeper squat. They're so tight, their bodies all tense.

And then you get them on that vibrating plate kind of relaxes it and then they drop deeper into it. I would think it would be something like that. Wow. Next level, you know, there's the cryo. There's, you know, sauna. He's like, no, bed of nails, bro. Wow. Well, so, so the the market for, well, so for sigmatic, he said in this article, has annual revenues of 61, oh no, this is according to CrunchBase, over 61 million dollars, just for Sigmatic alone. Wow.

Yeah, that's a big, they're crushing. Well, they're putting out the best information for the increased social morality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the global market, because the global market for functional mushrooms, they're expecting to grow 6.4% every year from 2019 to 2000.

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Their number one seller is, now I didn't know this. So their mushroom coffee mix with lion's main and chaga, trip off this. It's the number one best seller in the instant coffee category on Amazon. It beats out Starbucks and this cafe. Really?

Yeah. So it outsells Starbucks instant coffee. Is the four-sigmatic one with Lions, Man, and Jocke. Which one is that one? Is that the one that I said I like or is it a different one? That's the one that you, that is the one that you liked. Yes, yes, yes. Because I remember there's one that we've tried recently

that they released that I liked. Well, I gave you quarter steps earlier, but that wasn't the top one. It's a good cup zero. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because Lionsman with caffeine, Lionsman, caffeine, and theaning, what a great combination that is. That is such a nice, smooth combination.

Do you guys remember, I want to say it was about a year or two ago. Somebody asked us about a company called, I think it was like, it's called Fair Life. It's not Fair Life, Fair Life. That's it, the Fair Life milk or whatever. And it was like, added protein this and that. And we kinda looked at it and we're like, nah, whatever about it. And that was the last I'd ever heard about it. And then recently, they just hit the news big time

over a big ass animal abuse skin. Oh, they put, what's the name of the organization that did this? They put workers in, it's not P-Dat, somebody else. No, someone else, they put workers undercover arms, ARMS, or something like that. What did that stand for?

I don't know, it's animal rights. Probably. Something, okay. So they put undercover agents or whatever you wanna call them in this company, which the company fair life is one of the largest dairy producers in the world, right? Are they partnered with Coke? Yes. They're massive. And one of their things is they say that they believe in the fair treatment of animals. Well, this undercover videos that they released showed the opposite.

They showed a lot of what seems like abuse and kicking and punching of these animals. And then one part was how fair life says that they never sell their calves to for veal. And they filmed these calves getting taken to a big ve real distributor or whatever. All right. Fuck.

Yeah. This is bad for them. I saw the video too on the Pharaoh's owner. I forget his name and these Michael, something, or other, the actual CEO owner of all this. And I mean, I felt like he took really good ownership of it. This is one of those situations where I have a hard time or I know better than to jump to conclusions. One, working on a dairy and

a ranch for many years, a very, very small size in comparison to this. I mean, and the amount of dead cows that you see on a regular basis, it's pretty common. So I could imagine at the size of this one, it'd be really easy to put together a video of calves dying all over the place to make it look more extreme than what we want. And then when you've got your hurting around thousands of cows, and you've got hundreds of random employees working for you, I could definitely see one kick in him here. So I could see the side of how you can make this look really, really gruesome and awful. But then I also can see the side too of like how these guys could just brush this shit and wrong. It doesn't matter to them.

They're just trying to make money. Well, so here's the point that I try and take with this because you're right, Adam. Oftentimes videos can be made and edited to look worse than they actually are. So here's what the CEO said in his video. He said that there were four or five employees that were in the video, or no four employees. Four and three of which were fired ahead of them. They had already fired three months before the release

of the video because other employees had reported them. So that actually looks good for them. One of them, they hadn't caught. One of them was caught in the video. Now the videos that you see could all be from those employees, but they're edited to look like it's a bunch of different employees that are doing it. Here's the other thing. The CEO said that they do extensive training on had a tree animals properly. If you see someone training an animal poorly, please report it, all that stuff. In the investigative report, they were saying we got no training whatsoever.

But here's the thing. Yeah, so they actually went in there and had a spy basically go through the training protocol and all that to do inside. But don't forget this, though. The person who's going in from arms, okay, animals rights. They are, they're going into this with an agenda.

Right away. Like if you, you're already suspect they're doing things that you think are wrong, so you send an undercover person in there, so they are looking for every piece of a bad pub they can find. Not just that, not just that, they're so highly motivated because you got to, okay, you have to put yourself

in their state of mind. This was not an investigative, this was an investigation from a non-biased agency. This is an organization that specifically, like you said, Adam, their agenda is to, right. Their agenda is to get people to stop eating animals. Well, that's the agenda.

It makes me think of another scenario, like infiltrating and having your own infiltrator like cause a lot of the animal cruelty. It could happen. I don't know, you're right, but that's the truth. I'm just throwing that out there as a potential thing that my mind goes,

but we'll put yourself again in their state, right? When you're that level of animal protector or animal supporter or anti, you know, eating meat or animal products, you consider animals like in the same level of humans. So there's so strong, their beliefs around this are so strong that they imagine if you were trying to protect humans, right, you would do everything you possibly could to sway people's opinions. And so, and even in the video you say, you hear them say, like, you know, we think you should, you should stop drinking all dairy.

Like they're saying all dairy, right, take it off, rather than just this company. So, yeah. So, I think what we, people have to go, and I'm hoping somebody's gonna analyze the footage to see if it's showing more than just the footage. Well, we watched the footage. I mean, it did have that emotional reaction. Like, I even found myself like, oh my God, like this is repulsive.

Like, I got like really angry. Well, yeah, if you've never been around, or like I grew up around that. So it's not that shocking to me. In fact, you have to take into consideration too. What if there what you didn't see is the patented and I'm again, I'm playing devil's advocate by no means in my fucking justifying any of the behavior in their scene. So before I get roasted in my DMs the next day, but you know, you could you could easily

clip that were one of the guys that's, you know, you could you could easily clip that were one of the guys that's, you know, you know, hitting the calf on the head with a bottle, a milk bottle with a could have just got fucking bit three seconds before that. And that's his reaction. And you only clip you clip the guy hitting the calf. And let me tell you when when a fucking animal that size grabs a hole that you invites you, your natural reaction is to kick him or hit him or push him off of you or do things like that. So there's things like that that I know because I've been around that for so long that you have to kind of keep into consideration of things that could be going on too. Here's what I think.

I highly doubt that. But what I do think perhaps is that there's those four employees that they that that that were implicated in the videos. Right. And it's those same four employees doing all the stuff. Right. And the fact that they because that's a massive company. Right.

Exactly. And to control, you know, you have a thousand employees working for you and, you know, I mean, a guy that at his level, I doubt even gets a chance to meet every single one of his employees. And they have a thing in place that if you see animal abuse, you report it right away. And then they, and they terminated three of the four before this even leaked and came out. So that shows me that they do care about that, that they are trying to. But you know how this is, right?

It's public opinion doesn't work that way. It's not like going to court where they had a course. They're the public already. It's too late. Like the video is out. You watch it. You get an emotional reaction. Yeah, it's going to damage the company.

Yeah, regardless. I do, I do. Definitely, I liked how he was very, like very much owned, you know, the fact that that happened, like at his farm and it was, you know, like he, he was trying his best to, like, you know, make steps in better directions as far as correcting these kinds of things. Well, it's so powerful nowadays because people are so far removed from their food that like, here's it, this is the truth now.

If I were to show videos of how animals are actually slaughtered, I mean, like properly slaughtered by law, not breaking any rules, not abuse the animals, just watch, just videos of them being slaughtered, that would get people to react. Right. Because we're not used to, we don't see it. We don't see, we always see as a piece of meat covered in plastic in the tray at the grocery store. So these things have a lot of power,

but it'll be interesting to see how this kinda, but if it is those same for employees in all the videos that are edited to look like a bunch of different people, they're legally, they're covered, especially if they fired three of them beforehand before those videos aired, they're like, we're covered, especially if they fired three of them beforehand, before those leaders air it, they're like, we already caught them, we got rid of those assholes. You know what I'm saying?

Then they're kind of covered. That's why I'm kind of on the fence, how I feel about it. I mean, there's not enough information yet before I would try and react, which I think we live in this air an hour, we do. We see something, we read something right away, and then instantly. I'm always checking myself because of that.

Yeah. That's why I'm always speculating too. Like, where's case scenario? Like, I mean, we saw Jesse Smollett, we saw these things come out where you're like, I can't fucking believe they would, you know, make us think that. Videos are starting to lose power because of that, because we're starting to see so many of them being, you know, edited in a way to make them look different. Or now there's the AI, where they're able to take your face

and put it on something else and make you say something. Videos are going to lose their power here pretty soon. Next 10, 15 years, I think you're going to show a video and everyone's going to be like, yeah, right. And it's a real or not. And an operation that massive with that many employees, it would not be hard to make something like that look bad.

It's just just a period. Like, think of a company. Yeah, that's not a bad point at all. I don't care what company it is, you're gonna find some assholes in that company. Right, when you have thousands of employees, I mean, you think of just go back to our experience personally in a company like 24 are finished

that 5,000 plus employees. You know or finished at 5,000 plus employees. You know, of those 5,000 plus employees, do you think that all 5,000 or great human beings and don't have a lot of fucking dirt? No, I knew a lot of, I knew some of them personally. Right. And imagine if you had a video that you could collect all the bad inappropriate things they are doing, you could totally make that company look like a piece of shit. So I have a hard time pointing the thing

you're at the company over things like this. Cause an example that was PETA, and like when they got in hot water for euthanizing a lot of the animals. Oh really, I didn't know that. Yeah, that was a whole nother thing, but I wanna take us down a rabbit hole. But I'm just saying there's like,

if you really wanna find dirt and shit, like your tear point, like you could create something. Yeah, that's crazy. Speaking of companies, this was on a lighter note. This is an older article, but someone shared it with me and I never saw this. So this was in, I think it was in Fortune magazine or I want to say Fortune, that the title of this was

the 20 best companies to work for. Let me actually read the 20 best workplace in retail, 2018, and under the small medium category, guess you got first place. Who? Organify. Oh shit. Yeah, Organify.

Oh shit. Yeah, back in 2018 was the number one small and medium company for ranked by employees. Well, you remember when we walked into their headquarters, and they've upgraded since then. But that was, I mean, you remember, we got applause when we walked in and everybody was all, and it was a great culture there.

Oh, you could tell. You know, you guys know that. I mean, we know that from our experience too and just running big facilities, you can just feel it when you walk into a place that's got a good fight. Everybody was bought in, man. They had just screens everywhere.

Everybody was aware of what, like this department was doing, that department was doing, they were all in great communication. Well, so there's a website called Great Place to Work and apparently they'll certify your company if you let them, you know, survey your employees and all that stuff. And this is, which is kind of interesting, it's pretty cool, right? So, organifies Great Place to Work certified between June 2018 to June 2019. So they're probably going to go through another process.

But check this out. So they surveyed their employees and at the time they had 59 employees, 100% said that this is a great place to work. 100%. Wow. Yep, 100% across the board. Management is competent in writing this business. I believe management would lay people off only as a last resort.

Management is honest and ethical. Our executives fully embody the best characteristics of our company, our facilities contribute to a good working environment, 100% across the board. Wow. Pretty cool, right? That's great. That is cool.

Yeah, good for them. That's one of the reasons why we partnered with them, or why we continue to partner with them. Obviously, they have good products, but you could tell a lot about a company when you go into their headquarters and meet their staff. And, you know, oftentimes you think a product is good, you go and you meet their staff, and then this is, I'm not going to name any names, but there's other big companies,

a big supplement company in particular, where we had kind of an idea of them. We walk in and we're like, oh, this is not a great environment. Disconnect there. Yeah, yep, so I don't know how good that's gonna be on terms of the products or whatever. So anyway. I didn't know that. That's cool.

Yeah, good for them, man. Kickin' ass. Shout out to Sean and Drew over there. Kickin' ass. Nice work, you guys. So just to see the next UFC fight that's gonna come out. Yeah, right, dude, I saw this.

So stupid. Dude, Justin Bieber will like put some tweet out there about like, he's calling out Tom Cruise. Now, why is he calling him out? I have no fucking idea. Like, what sparked that? Like, why did he feel Tom Cruise specifically? Is this one of those mission possible or so?

Is this one of those deals where actors trying to get in their role before they actually, the movie rolls out? Like, remember when Walking Phoenix was doing that? Yes. That smells like that, right? Right. Where it's like, they're trying to put in their role before they actually, the movie rolls out. Like, remember when Walking Phoenix was doing that, that smells like that, right? Right. Where it's like, they're trying to put hype thing. Right, trying to hype up like a new movie

that's gonna get dropped. That's where I thought too. I was like, yeah, this has to be like a hype thing. Or like, he's, I don't know, losing relevance. And so he thinks of like the first A-lister he could think of in his mind, like Tom Cruise. That's usually, somebody's go too, right? It's just a single tweet. That's usually somebody's go to, right?

It's just a single tweet. Everybody's confused about it apparently. And then what's his name? Who fought in the UFC? Connor McGregor. Connor McGregor's talking about, he says McGregor sports entertainment will host the bout.

Stupid. Stupid. I'm on my hands. Can I tell you, can I, okay, so first of all, I really hope this doesn't happen because it's stupid. But let's just say it did. I hope Cruz spanked their shit out. I know, right?

Just whoops his little ass. He can use a good whoopin'. I don't know if, I don't know if Bieber is smaller than Tom. No, he's bigger. Yeah, I just said, I think Bieber is bigger than him. He's got the reach. There's in Cruz 56. And he's younger.

Way younger. 56 and 20, it's a big age difference. The only guy I would trust to fight at that age is Doug. You know what I mean? Yeah, Doug will kill Bieber. It's a shred of it now. That wouldn't even be a dad go keep. You might be able to take Tom Cruise,

but you won't take Doug. You ain't taking, you can't take Doug. Oh my God, that would be for mind pump of Doug Fodj. Cause then people would see the sheer violence that's inside of Doug. That's a come out. Nobody understands. I don't know if I want the bigger,

what's the, what's the, what's Bieber's click? You know how like Beyonce has her, the believers. Is that what it is? The believers. I don't want the believers to come after us. I'm gonna call him out on Twitter. All right, you should, yeah.

Get him, Doug. I'm fucking fight you out on Twitter. All right, you should, yeah. Get him, Doug. I'm fucking fight you. Look at you. We don't want everybody to see that side of Doug. Keep that to an inside. With your cute face. Yeah.

Have you guys seen that space is officially open? Did you hear about this? What do you mean space is open? So at the end of last week, NASA announced plans to open the International Space Station to private business by allowing private astronauts to travel to space. Oh, yes. Can we take all the flat earthers up there please? Bro, look, shut the fuck up.

Look, look, look, it's real now. Let's get back to life. Listen to how much it gets. What do you guys think a ticket will cost? To go up to the space station. Space tours will back to life. Listen to how much it gets it. What do you guys think a ticket will cost to go up to the space station? 10 space space tourists will have to sell how much for a ticket you think 10 million 58 million for a ticket to the station and then another 35,000 per night to stay there Wow, can you imagine having space dinner?

So That's the most So be on space titter I want space sex piece and space sex out to way cooler space sex would be way better now when you finish Thousand miles Spoils you Sure You can't do the plot method in space Triple wrap it stays in there don't go in justice room leave that door closed

Hold on got some clean to do yeah, what is that it's 58 million dollars Cuz I got scared No dude, that's crazy expensive. 58 million. This does sound like a deal. Yeah, it does not sound like a deal. Sounds like a rip off. You know, all the billionaires will be doing it. I mean, if you're a billionaire, what's 58 million?

You kind of have to do it. What's left? Why else get all that money? Right? No, if you made it that far, right? That's crazy. That's, we're there though, dude. Isn't that nuts that we're there?

I mean, it's only a matter of time before. Airbnb up there? Yes. Yes. Or some broke ass... Air B&B up there? Yes. Yes. Or some broke ass fool like us could get up there. You know what I'm saying? Spend us B&B. We'll be able to afford it in like 20 years.

Have you ever heard of the plans? I don't know if NASA talked about this or other scientists speculated of making a space elevator? Have you heard about this? Yes, I did. That was in, I think it was in Japan. They were talking about it.

Like literally, like a literal elevator that goes straight through the atmosphere all the way up. I know, it sounds crazy. So the space station, they said feasibly it would cost less than trying to fly everybody and rock its old. Yeah, and you just, boom, go up the elevator all the way to space.

That would be cool. Yeah, how long would that ride be? It would be a fuck. That would be a crazy ass long ride. Dude, the music would be so nervous. I just feel like an earthquake would fuck that for sure. Yeah, one fat guy that jumps and you're screwed. Yeah, you got Kenny G playing in the background?

Yeah. Oh, way up. I'm not riding with Justin up that elevator. Yeah, I'll take it down. But that's wild. So what would be the benefit of a private company, I guess, for marketing purposes? Yeah, forget competition. It'll open up the space to be competitive.

So that's what I think is cool about it. I mean, they've NASA partnered actually with SpaceX. I think we should sell the moon. That's what I think. What? Sell it? Yeah, like space. Like you look up at night and we should sell the moon. That's what I think. Sell it. Yeah. Like, space on it. Like, you look up at night and the sky and the moon says Coca-Cola.

Bro, they're already talking about that. Amazon's already trying to get in on that. Oh, I've never read an article that they're trying to sell like, there was some kind of like a billboard or light. You know, like advertisement, they're trying to like shine for. Oh, to shoot on the moon. Yes, shoot on the moon.

How fucked up is that? Right? I was like, no. The one last night. I'm not gonna do that shit. You know, that's the romantic, you can give me a look at the moon. So, God damn it, target.

To you by Coca-Cola. Yeah, fuck. You know, right there on that moon. This make out session. Dude, there was another study that came out on mental health and exercise, and this is cool now. The study now is calling for exercise

to be the primary treatment for mental disorder, the first, the first line. So they're trying to say in this particular study that instead of giving people medication as a first line defense, get them exercising because it's that effective, that effective alleviating patients' symptoms, how crazy is that?

How awesome is that? Finally. Yeah, so instead of prescribing psychotropic medications, give them physical exercise to deal with their symptoms of anger, anxiety, and depression. Think about how much money that would save and how much we know how much better of a treatment that would be.

The interesting to see how many people will actually do it though. Well, when the studies are supporting it, you might get more people behind it. You might get insurance companies paying for it. You know what I'm saying? Depending on how much it saves them money. That's a good point. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so that would be the, so what they're saying is, the objective was is that the primary objective is to promote exercise, fitness, and physical health to inpatient psychiatry patients. Then the secondary objective includes therapeutic management of depressive symptoms with medications or whatever. But give them that first.

Yeah. That would be interesting if either there's a practice that combined personal training and psychotherapy, there was in the same vicinity. So they kind of worked together with that. So they had a plan. I mean, it works, man. I know this working with,

oh, we know how powerful it is. Oh my God, do you need people to move in? How much better do you need? How often do this happen to you as a trainer? Where you be training a client, I'm sure it happened every time. You train a client and a year later, they're not the same person.

Not just physically, but they're just not the same person where they walked in and they were either grumpy or low energy or whatever. And a year later, it's like there I used to train, I'm not going to say too much about this person because I don't want to give them away. But I used to train a gentleman who worked in a particular field that I trained lots of other people in. And he, when I would bring up his name, he was quite well known in this field. And when I would bring up his name, when I first started training him, the other people that I trained that knew him

would be like, oh my gosh, good luck to that man. I don't know how you're gonna be able to hang in with that guy because apparently he had a bad reputation for being kind of a jerk to a lot of people. And he was, when he would come in, he was kind of an ass. Now I'm the perfect person to train an asshole because it doesn't phase me, and I'll give it back to you every once in a while.

And so he would do that to me, come in and be a jerk. And I'd fucking whatever, and I'd be a jerk back to him. And that was it, we trained. And after about six or seven months, little by little, him and I developed a friendship and we became cool, whatever. Well anyway, these same people that knew him would come into me and be like, hey, I'm gonna change his name

to protect him, whatever they'd be like, what are you doing with Michael? Like, I was just working out like, he's a different person at work. He's telling jokes, he's giving people hugs, like he is a completely different person. His wife came in one day when he wasn't training with me and told me if he ever says he's not gonna train

with you anymore, call me because I'll buy him more sessions. He cannot stop with you. This is completely changing his attitude. But I would see stuff like that all the time with clients because exercise has an activity, has such, you know, and I don't think it's that necessarily exercise is a miracle treatment. I think that we evolved with activity

and that not having activity is what causes or at least exacerbates a lot of these symptoms of anxiety and depression. I think the key though will be what you just said about getting insurance companies to pay for. Because I don't see, if you're going into therapy and you've got depression and you got shit like that going on with you to get you to be motivated

to go work out at the gym. Hard way hard. I mean, it's hard already. It's hard for the average person who's just not in great shape or has health conditions or just should be in the gym period, right? Doesn't matter. That person already has a hard time, get the gym, throw in the fact that they're depressed. They have anxiety. They have all this other, they have mental issues going on. Sure. Yeah, I mean, you have to.

Yeah, and it's a lot like, you know, your general practitioner will throw out there like, well, just, you know, stop eating fast food and just like try and get some walking in throw out there, like, well, just stop eating fast food and just try and get some walking in. You know, like it's like really generic, terrible advice that's like, like, duh. Like having like real specifics and giving them an action plan, I think that will do something.

Well, I thought this for a long time. I talked about that back when I used to have my studio, in fact, I had written a very basic business plan around this particular idea because I thought at some point maybe I'd pursue this. But I thought that mental health facilities where you have therapists, counselors, psychologists or psychiatrists should have a small gym in there with specially trained personal trainers. And I thought that would,

I thought, especially weight loss clinics, like I've always thought that. There needs to be like therapy in there. Yeah, but even just a place where you go to get therapy, they also have a gym. And so part of your treatment is, here's what I think,

and I'll tell that, look, if you're a therapist and you're listening right now, try this out. Have the patient exercise before they talk to you. Have them work out and then have them come meet with you and watch how much more they open up before their MDMA. right now, try this out. Have the patient exercise before they talk to you. Have them work out and then have them come meet with you and watch how much more they open up.

Before their MDMA. But yeah, that's the other, that's the other thing. That's it. That's it. Dude, another crazy study. So scientists for the first time have discovered a mechanism that's been identified that can transmit neuronal responses across generations.

In other words, in other words, this study shows how the nervous system can transmit information across different generations. What? Yes. Through DNA. Which now this to me, I think, explains when you see this, right? Let's use, like, Stefan Curry, for example. You've got him, his brother, his dad,

they're all like these like amazing basketball players and pure shooters. Like it's crazy. You gotta think that there has to be something in the DNA that's passed down from generation. So programming that's passed along. Yeah, that's the long lines of like epigenetics, right? But it makes perfect sense because if you're,

think about evolution for a second, right? We always think of it, we think of it broadly. Let's say you live in a cold, stressful environment. And obviously in a cold, stressful environment, the people who are going to survive the most are the ones that are hardest working, probably most paranoid, and probably the ones who are seeking food the most. So high appetite, high levels of energy, I don't know, I'm kind of making things up. Well then it would make sense that three, four, five generations down, it's going to help program the next generation to kind of be born with these types of characteristics. So it's fascinating, right? And it's based

off your experiences. So maybe if you have a different experience, let's say you grew up in a rough childhood, but now say you grew up in a rough childhood, but now your kid grows up in a great childhood, are they gonna inherit some of your experiences or some of how your body would have changed based on your experiences? Maybe, kinda crazy, right? If you think about it.

That's super crazy. That is crazy. Yeah, but this was done on, this was not done on humans. This was done on a particular type of worm, I believe. Because we're just like worms. Yeah, well, I mean nervous systems go way back. I mean, they go way, way back before humans. But this is the first time that we've actually identified a mechanism.

So this is a breakthrough. So now that they've identified the mechanism, they're going to see if they can see it and find it or something similar to it in other animals. And who knows? Because oftentimes, discoveries are made with other species before they find them in humans. So, we'll see what happens. This quas brought to you by Organify.

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And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. BELL RINGS First question is from CDT-T Young. How do you guys feel about one rep maxes for yourself and for your clients? I'm into powerlifting and strong man, so I see them as necessary, but what about for overall health? We talked about this a long time ago, but it's been a while, so that's why I put it on here. And I think it's somewhat of an important topic, especially in I feel like in the last, I don't know, would you say decade or so?

I don't wanna blame CrossFit completely. I know we bring CrossFit for a long time. You can blame social media too with like the PR and the always trying to show that you're doing awesome shit. Yeah, there was a time where I didn't even know what PR meant. There was like, I was, That's the reason. Yeah, I didn't even know what PR meant. Like I was just...

That's the reason. Yeah, I didn't know what a PR, what the people were first talking about PRs and I was like, what the fuck is a PR? It was never a thing when I first started as a joint. My republic relations. Yeah, we used to just say your max. Yeah, that's always to call it back in the day.

Yeah, what's your max? But it got so popular that people are talking about PRs all the time and you know, there's, hey, you hit a new PR in an exercise. I think that's great. And you know, more power to you to celebrate that. But because of that, it's created this culture around always chasing a max. And it's funny because when I think back to all the years that I have trained clients, this was never really a conversation, almost never. I mean, maybe I can count on one hand how many clients that I was actually training towards like a lift, like two. The only time I've ever done that with a client was when

I had a football player that I was training, who was trying to get ready for a combine. And so we were actually like testing it out, like to see where our range was, like a few months prior to that. And then we were ramping ourselves up towards that. But yeah, to be honest, it's not something that I focused on very often with clients or even myself, unless I was on a sports team. Yeah, there are benefits to training heavy singles and doubles.

Those aren't maxes though. Maxing out would be lifting something for one rep. That's your absolute limit. When I'm talking about is taking away that's lower than that. That's still heavy where you're practicing one rep at a time. Power lifters often train like this. I think this has benefits for a lot of people. The risk is somewhat high, training this way,

but there's a lot of benefit to training heavy singles, doubles and triplets. Yeah, that's different though. That's different than a macro. Listen, yeah, he's talking about a max lift, chasing PR. Right, right, right here. Now, the only benefit to testing a max out

is to see where you're at and, or if you have clients who are highly motivated in that way. And if it's appropriate for them, when I used to train Doug, there were a couple times where we had him test out his max for something like deadlift because one of his goals at the time was to be able to deadlift over 400 pounds. And that was really one of his goals. Like one of his distinct goals was I want to be able to pull 400 pounds. And that was really one of his goals. Like one of his distinct goals was,

I wanna be able to pull 400 pounds off the floor. And so testing that out, you know, was part of his training, kept him motivated. It was appropriate for him because he had good form, he had good mobility and stability. And it was under my watchful eye. That being said, it's quite rare. I really don't see any benefit for most people.

I see no value to train Max. I see no value in it. If the client isn't asking specifically for that, right? If Doug says, hey, Sal, I want to increase my, I want to see you with the most I could ever deadlift. Like obviously that's going to get implemented into his routine. But if it's just a normal client

who's, which the average person's coming to you for fat loss or building some muscle or just staying healthy or being more mobile, like that's like 90% of the clients that most trainers will train. If it's that person, I don't think it belongs in a routine at all. In fact, there's way more risk than there is reward to you knowing that number.

Like as a trainer, I can program a great program and never know what this person's max, their max bench press or max squatter max dead leftos. Now the only other benefit potential I could see from doing this is the mental component. What I mean by that is this, okay? So sometimes knowing your limits, pushing yourself to the limit,

it may not benefit you physically, like it may not make you get fit any faster, it may not build any extra muscle on you or burn any extra body fat. It oftentimes might even slow your progress because you pushed yourself too hard, like if you did a two and a half hour workout where you just push yourself to the limit, you're probably not going to make your progress any faster. It might actually slow down your progress, but the benefit might be knowing that you can do it, pushing your body to those limits.

The emotional and the mental capacity that you have for hard exercise has now grown. Because here's the thing, like part of your job as a trainer, or even just for yourself for working out, is knowing how far you can go because then you know where you should go to get good results. I do this often, I don't do this often, but I do this regularly where I will go to failure sometimes on a set to recalibrate my, you know, how far I know I need to push to go to failure. So I know when to stop because what I was finding is when I wasn't testing myself that I thought I was pushing my sets

to one or two reps before failure, but in reality, it was more like four or five reps before failure. So every once in a while, I would test myself and kind of recalibrate my perception of where that intensity should be. And so I could see that sometimes. Like when you go in the military, for example,

sometimes your workouts are designed to make you more fit and sometimes they're there to make you tough. And the tough ones are not the ones that are going to make you fit. Those are the ones just to push your mental capacity. And so it's kind of that, it's a little bit of that, right, when you're pushing your client that hard. But again, like Adam said, 90% of the clients are, it would be inappropriate. Well, I saw this a lot through a lot of sports training. And I still see it, you know, pervading that industry in terms of like really leaning hard on the mental discipline, the toughness,

the trying to get kids ready by just beating the shit out of them so they get ready for the season. When there's a lot smarter approach that they could have where they're going to be stronger, faster and have more longevity. So it's just hard for me to really promote it anymore. Like I get it. Like I get the drive to want to accomplish like a PR or something where I can achieve my max, you know, squat, my max bench. Like that's, those were staples for me.

Like I wanted to be the strongest in my class when I was going up, working out with guys that were 100 pounds heavier than me. And I was benching and squatting the same amount of weight as them, that was cool. But really that wasn't what mattered on the field. That actually, it deterred me from a little bit of performance because my shoulder

was compromised because I worked so hard at trying to be the best bench press. What grade was this? Six? Six. Six grade? That joke didn't fly, bro. No, it was laughing. That was great, just he left it. He laid it die. That one I buried that one. No, I like Max's personally. I don't train them often. I don't max out often at all. I think the last time I tapped out or topped out on a Max was, I don't know, two years ago maybe.

I mean, recently I pulled 530 off the ground in a deadlift, but it wasn't my max. I was tempted, though. I did think to myself, I wonder if I could pull 550, but I left it at 530. But I do like every once in a while, using that as a goal. Like, okay, I want to be able to do this weight. So let me train towards this weight and then see what I can do. But every time you do that, the risk of injuries really high, because now you're pushing performance beyond a health and wellness perspective, right? You're pushing it to a max performance perspective, in which case, the risk of injuries always high. Well, and the only time I was maxing out quite a bit was when I was chasing after your

deadlift numbers, and I had the most problems injury wise during that time for sure because I was constantly pushing the limits. I'll actually max squat more than anything else just because of all the things when you look at like overhead press, bench press, deadlift squat, the thing most common things that you would max out on. Squatting I feel the most comfortable and safest with bailing in a in a in a calm in a situation. Even more than a deadlift.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Just throw a behind you down here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Scott squats are scary to bail on for some people. Not for me either.

Well, I mean, you know how to do it right? Well, especially when you can get why you you can only get to like 90, but just and I can get all the way. So so when you can get all the way down and you're at the bottom and you can't get out of it, you and I can get all the way down. And you're at the bottom, you can't get out of it. You just let it bail off of you. No problem where deadlifting, if I'm yanking on it to come up, I'm more likely to pull something,

trying to get it off the ground when it's too heavy or my low back start to break. Like, powerful. Power cleanser the worse. I used to have the worst like bales, like those epic bales. Fall back on the ground. Fall back and like, yeah, you really eat it, but yeah, those are the worst. I used to have the worst like bales, like those epic bales. Fall back on the ass.

Fall back in like, yeah, you really eat it, but yeah, those are still fun. Yeah, baling on a bench press, not good. Yeah, that's definitely not one thing. The worst. Yeah, that is the worst. Next question is from Andrew Beth. What are the benefits of having smaller meals throughout the day versus large, less frequent meals?

Or is it just a personal preference? Yeah, this was a, so it's funny how this is, this has died recently, but forever it was promoted, nice to promote this, because this is what I thought to be true. It was promoted that you, if you wanted to maximize fat burning, you want to maximize muscle building, if you wanted to stoke your metabolism, you had to eat frequent, small meals throughout the day. To the point where eating few meals throughout the day, even if it was the same calories, slow your metabolism down, make you gain more body fat and you lose muscle.

And they used to say, you want to feed your body frequent amino acids so that your muscles, your body doesn't tap into your muscles to provide those amino acids. It's got a constant influx. You can't metabolize more than 30 to 50 grams of protein at a sitting. So if you're going to need 200 grams of protein, when you need to have at least four meals, but better yet have five or six meals throughout the day, that small meals stoked the fire of the metabolism because of the thermic effect and the larger meals didn't do that and all that stuff.

This was a massive myth, and we actually crushed this one early on in the mind pump pump days, actually got some blowback from it early on, but then when you look at the science, we're totally right. Six pack bag sponsorship really felt through. Yeah.

So, I mean, all the old benefits that we were told that it provides, speed up some talvism, burn body fat, build muscle, blah, blah, it's all bullshit. You know, if you, as long as it's not in the extremes, it's all the same. It's all a personal preference. Now, that being said, there are some benefits in my opinion to eating smaller meals. If you're eating 5,000 calories a day, you're probably gonna have to eat five meals a day.

Good luck trying to eat that with three meals. That's a big, huge meals that you're gonna have to sit down and eat and you're gonna feel bogged down, smaller meals. And that's probably where initially got its wings, bodybuilders who are eating this. Well, these huge bodybuilders it makes sense yeah there's just so many calories you have to eat and you got to split up I mean who's gonna sit down you know for a lot of those like three four thousand calorie

meals not gonna happen it's not gonna happen I also find it as a really good tool to teach portion control and stuff for clients. Most clients don't wanna have to weigh, measure, and tap away our food for the rest of their life, and they wanna just sit down in a dinner in a restaurant and look at it and kinda eyeball it just like you or I would. And so if that's the ultimate goal

is to be able to look at a plate and kinda have an understanding of how many calories or in and how many grams of carbs, proteins, and fats. I used to like to do the small meals for the day for teaching purposes, just to kind of show them what six ounces of chicken looks like and four ounces of sweet potato and what a serving of veggies look like. So I like to do that and show them like how they should feel from feeling that

you should feel satisfied. You shouldn't feel hungry still afterwards, but you should also not feel stuffed. And we live in this culture now. I mean, if you look at us compared to almost any other country, when you look at the plates that we get served, it's just, it's unheard of. It's nothing like that anywhere else. Take a foreigner to cheesecake factory. Yeah. and have them just freak the fuck out. Yeah, it's insane. Like our plates in the States, like a lot of the plates are like 2000 calorie plus.

It doesn't need a date of that. Take a foreigner or cheese factory day. Yeah, cheesecake factory day. Make it a thing. Wait, between you and Adam today, the comment is just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I know, it's happening.

Yeah, maybe I'll save it. It's happening here, the joke or something later. I got you Justin, that's all right. Right, here's the thing though, small meals of the day is also pain in the ass though. Like, you're eating five meals a day, six meals. If you're not preparing these meals ahead of time and carrying them around, do they everywhere?

Guess what ends up happening? You end up eating bars and shakes to make up, which is why the fitness industry promoted this for so long, because they knew that if everybody bought into the I need to eat small meals, you know, mentality. Yeah, if you're doing small meals throughout the day and one or two or three of them or bars and shakes, you're doing it wrong.

You're doing it wrong. Because in that case, you may as well just add those extra calories to two or three of the other meals that you're eating. And you'd be better off. You'd doing it wrong. Because in that case, you may as well just add those extra calories to two or three of the other meals that you're eating. And you'd be better off. You'd be way better off than doing that. But if you could eat, you know, if you portioned out and you were walking around with your Tupperware, and you brought, I mean, Katrina and I did this for a very long time, especially

when I was competing and I had to, she did too. And she would basically take two because she'd eat one for breakfast before she left the work. She took two top o'wares to work, that would be two other meals. And then she ate once or twice when she came home later on the evening time. So she was eating four to five meals a day.

I was eating more like six to seven meals that were portioned out. What was nice about it, there was always 10 things of Tupperware in the refrigerator too that were good to go. So if there was a time where we were tempted to eat something else and you had a good balanced meal those been there. So now here's the other thing too though. There's a lot of science showing health benefits to time restricted eating where not fasting necessarily, but where people eat in a 10-hour window and don't eat when the

sun goes down. Now calories really are what determine whether they're not you gain body fat or not, right? If you're taking it more calories in your burning, you're going to gain body fat if it's less than you lose. But they're finding that, you know, we know that the organs have a circadian rhythm. So even you may be wearing your blue blocker glasses and you may be not exposing yourself to blue light and making sure your body knows it's dark

so that you get good sleep. But then you eat food and your body thinks, oh, it's time to be awake, let's digest. And they're finding that it impacts sleep and impacts health. And eating lots and lots of meals, it's difficult to do that, right? Because if you're trying to eat all your meals before 6 p.m., and you've got six meals,

you eat like every hour, you're eating something. So, and this is again, this is down the totem pole of important things that you should do. But if I have somebody that's eating healthy and they're like, hey, Sal, what's the next thing I can do to optimize my health with my food, I'm gonna tell them, restrict your eating within a time window,

you know, eat when the sun is up, and when the sun goes down, stop eating, and more let your body know that it's nighttime, you'll have better sleep, and of course, and then better health down the road. And so, you know, there's that. There's also the benefits of fasting, where you don't have any food.

It gives you digestive system a break. It speeds up the cell waste removal process. It stimulates stem cells so that when you do refeed, you create these new healthier cells. And at the end of the day, if you look at humans from an evolutionary standpoint, it's highly likely that for most of the time we were on Earth, we didn't eat throughout the whole day.

We might have eaten a little bit here and there if we found a few, if we were lucky to find some berries and some nuts or some roots, but then we would hunt something we'd eat a big meal and then we didn't eat until we got something else. So the small meals throughout the day, I think there may be some negatives for some people. I think it may be pro-inflammatory for some people.

If you have gut issues oftentimes eating small frequent meals throughout the day may not be a good idea. Believe it or not, it's counterintuitive as that sounds. For people with irritable bowel syndrome eating a lot of small meals, oftentimes can make things worse. People with a** of reflux, oftentimes if they eat too often or eat too late, you know, close to to bed time can make things worse. Yeah, it's cruising up. So that's where the personal preference thing I think comes into play. Like see what you feel. I feel better personally eating, you know, less frequently. I don't feel as good if I frequently throughout the day and believe me for years,

I ate very frequently. I ate seven, eight meals a day every day. I brought them to work on me every day. So I've had both and I find that eating less frequently seems to make me feel better. Next question is from mom spaghetti 88. What does it mean to be a strong man to you? What does it mean to be a strong woman beyond the physical component?

Oh, like just strength. Is this like a philosophical question? I guess. Yeah, just strength. Yeah, I don't know what we're thinking at them. You pick the question. No, I thought it would be a great discussion, especially since they bring up beyond just the strength side.

I mean, I think we've shared the article that T-Nation shared, I think is a great, about physical strength. Yeah, about physical strength. But we've never talked about what that looks like mentally and work capacity, which Justin loves to discuss, workload, work capacity to the imports of that, I think that falls under the category of being strong. Also, when you train that way, kind of going back to the question we asked before about

maxes and PRs and you talked about the mental component that comes with that, there's something to be said about the mental fortitude that comes with training for training like a strong man or strong woman. Yeah, I think, I mean, that's a good point. I think real, real world strength to me matters. So in terms of not just it applying to a very unique specific skill and a sport or looking the part.

So I wanna know too, just watching what you do throughout the day, like how you move things, like how your abilities to overcome obstacles, like all these things matter to me in terms of general strength and what somebody has, like I can see that through your movement patterns.

Yeah, this is, you know, I've met a few people who were at the highest levels in the military. I knew a guy who was a Navy SEAL who used to work out at one of the gyms that I managed and knew a Ranger special ops. And, you know, of course, we were getting conversations about fitness. And I would always ask in what the testing protocol was like before they got the designation of being like a seal or whatever.

And they would talk about the testing and how just grueling and crazy it was. And I would say, man, you need to be like super fit to do all that stuff. And they would all tell me the same thing. They'd be like, yeah, you need to be fit, but that's not what determines, it's not what could it make or break.

No, that's not what determines the winners or losers. He goes, first off, you have to be fit as hell just for them to invite you. Like, that's what gets you to go through the course. They would tell me the difference between the guys that would fail and the guys and girls that would succeed was the mental piece. It wasn't the physical.

Everybody there could do the physical stuff. It was, can you handle going underwater? You ever seen the tests with the Navy seals, where they go underwater with a breather and their hands and feet are tied? And there's another seal, there's a guy going down. Push them back. Push them down, taking the tube out of the mouth, fucking with the, I mean, causing you to panic. Like it's that mental fortitude that they're looking for.

And if you think about it, makes perfect sense in battle, that's what's gonna determine. I mean, how strong do you have to be to hold and pull the trigger of a gun or whatever? It's all about that mental fortitude. There was that one book, I never read the book, but it was, I've heard a lot about it, a gentleman who was a POW,

and he talked about how his strategies to surviving being a prisoner of war for as long as he did. And he said that the people that were mentally weak and that didn't have religion were the ones that died first. And he said the things that kept him and others alive was that purpose, they had a belief in a higher power, which obviously gives you that purpose

outside of your fucking anguish and pain or whatever. And he said also, he found strategies that helped him and one of the strategies was to break things down into smaller chunks. Like, if I think I'm gonna be here for a year, that's just too much, I can't process that. If I think about, I need to survive, I need to be able to make it to lunch,

and then I need to be able to make it till for the next couple of hours. I need to be able to make it till bad, and then I need to be able to make it through the night, and then break it up into smaller chunks. That kind of demonstrates man's search for meaning. Was that the book? I don't know, maybe.

Maybe, Victor Frankl? I think that might have been. But it's interesting. I think't know, maybe. Maybe, Victor Frankl? I think that might have been. But it's interesting. I think for me, strength is the ability to persevere and maintain your internal moral compass. Like, everybody's a good guy or a good girl when shit's going great or when people are watching, but can you keep that up when the shit gets, you know, hits the fan, you know,

are you able to maintain that moral compass? Are you able to keep moving forward when everything and everyone has turned against you? That would be strength. And all of us think that we're strong. We all think that we're that kind of person, but the history shows us that most of us are not. Most of us fall in line and most of us do.

Well, that's what we're told. That's what makes, I think, strength training or training in general, so great, there's so many parallels to it in life. And I know that we talk about against, like a lot of the motivational bullshit, but there is some value to, pushing through the times where you want to quit

or pushing through times when, you don't feel like getting up to go to the gym. And that practice of doing that towards working out and exercise carries over into other aspects of your life. You know, I love the quote, how you do. Anything is how you do everything. And so I think learning to be mentally and physically tough inside the gym translates so well into other aspects of your life that, you know, maybe we don't discuss that much. And I see less of the benefits

of, you know, going all out or beast mode in the gym for the gains you're going to get or the fat loss, you're going to get, I see the the mental fortitude that comes from that is where the real benefits are. So learning to intermittently inject that into your routine, I see lots of value. And I think that is what defines a strong man or woman is that you've got the mental fortitude to do the things that you have to do today. So you can do the things that you want to do tomorrow. And so being able to get up, go to the gym sometimes when you're tired, you're exhausted, or you think you can't get there, or your day's too busy, and having the discipline to still make that happen

or make it a part of your life, I think that's really important. And I think if you learn to do that inside the gym, that makes you a very strong man or woman in there, but it also carries over into the rest of your life. Yeah, and definitely think it all ties in, especially the mental fortitude part. Like you can see that,

like how you can literally change your outcome based off of how you're mentally resilient. And you just, it's not even an option for you. Like you can create that for yourself to persevere through really tough challenging things. I definitely find that as a part of a strength that we're going to talk about this, like philosophically, like that is a huge part of having strength. The part that I have problems with because when we first started the show, I was very much revered more of the intense training, the intense, like I, I've found

a lot of value personally out of like really kicking the shit out of myself and like trying to challenge myself to overcome like all this, like all this amount of stress. And you know peeling that back, it wasn't the best for me. It wasn't the best for my body. It wasn't the best for me. It wasn't the best for my body. It wasn't the best for my relationship around me. It wasn't the best, you know, promoting good habits throughout my lifestyle and my day. So I feel like if we revere it too much, like this could be a problem. You know, this could be something that I just see it all the time is that's an easy thing for me to look at somebody and be like, oh my god, you're such a badass. You did the craziest shit ever, all this stuff.

And it's very alluring. Like that's the way to get to strength. That's what, at its highest. So now I look at it differently now as I'm trying to say, I don't. I got an example of someone, because I was thinking, I was thinking of a lot of people who I think exemplify

for me strength, but one person really stands out. And I've talked about her a few times on the show, but years ago, and this was my, at the time, my mother-in-law, but I grew up with her. I knew her since I was eight years old, and so she was like another family member, like another mom or an aunt. And she was very hard working woman, very positive, held the family together. She was that cornerstone of the family for her side. And she got diagnosed with cancer. She's the family member that I refer to sometimes when I say that I knew someone who fought cancer.

She got diagnosed with a very rare, deadly, terminal form of cancer. And this woman just fucking, I mean, the harshest chemo treatment that they could throw at her, they gave her, because of the type of cancer she had, there were no known treatments that could help. And so the doctors were like,

we're gonna try this experimental combination of chemo. It's going to be a little harsh. So she had to not only go to the hospital to get chemo, she also had to walk around with this pump that was constantly giving her chemo. And when she saw us, she smiled every time. She continued to do all the stuff around the house. She continued to watch my kids and baby sit my kids. I mean, in fact, when she told us she got diagnosed with cancer, the second thing out of her mouth was, don't you dare take these kids away from me. Like, because she knew that we would be like, oh, don't watch the kids, you're like, no, I want to watch them as long as they possibly can. And I would train her in the gym. She'd come in with a little chemo pump and her wig because she had lost her hair. And she'd come in and she would ask my staff,

how are you guys doing? How's your day going? Oh my God, how's your husband? Like besides the wig and the chemo pump, you could never tell and you knew she was going through it. Just strength and resilience up until the absolute and that woman really demonstrate to the point where her son who I also grew up with,

you know, my brother-in-law, you know, he was a good kid growing up a kind of a cocky, arrogant asshole at times, you know, as the cell tell him to his two-space. He took care of his mom, witnessed what she went through and witnessed how she kept herself, the grace that she presented, the strength that she put, never complained, never always moving forward, always strong. It completely changed him and turned him into this extremely hard working, motivated young

man who's now extremely successful investments. And I saw the switch. And I remember I talked to him, I said, man, when your mom went through that and everything, I said, I saw you change for the positive and he goes, I could not be negative after watching my mom go through what she went through and being as positive as she always was. As she was through that whole period, he goes, there's no way I could be negative after watching that. That to me was was strength. When I saw her go through that, I was just like, wow, that's incredible. Doing the right thing regardless. Always. Next question is from Black Belt Ryan. What would you guys suggest to help someone find their purpose in life? To help find their, how do you help someone else find their purpose?

Well, didn't we, didn't we touch on that? I feel thought we just touched on this with another question. And the response was, you should try and find something that you would do even if you didn't get paid. I mean, I think that's a good place to start is to look for that. So like, what is it that I love doing so much that, you know, obviously we all need to get paid to pay our bills. That's beside the point. But if your bills are covered and you didn't have to pay for those things, what is it that you would do that you would do for free or you would do regardless if you were the wealthiest

person in the world? You know what's funny about this question is that you have a purpose, you just have to define it. And what I mean by that, and I'm not trying to be ozotaric here, okay? If you may think to yourself, like, oh, I don't have any purpose, no, you're actually working towards a purpose, it's your highest value.

Whatever you value most in life is what your purpose is. That's what everything that you do is gonna be defined by that. So if you don't, if it's money or power or video games, that's what everything's going to be geared towards. So if you feel like you're aimless, it's probably because your top value isn't worthy, isn't worthy, isn't worth it. I also think you're too self-centered. You're thinking too much about your own purpose. Like why don't you just start by doing things for other people and see where your passion lies?

Start thinking outside of yourself and see what happens. It's amazing what reveals itself. You're too much about your daily process. I think a lot of times, and this is my problem. I on Instagram and everywhere else and all these motivational people are so much about trying to define yourself, finding this quest, this journey, this everything. It's like so fucking self-absorbed.

Go fucking do things for other people. Yeah. It's amazing what kind of purpose that brings. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I agree with you 100%. Yeah, look at your top value. Like what do you value most in the world? And that's what you're gonna be driven towards. That's what your purpose is.

So if that's family, then that's the lens you see everything through. That's why you work. That's why you do what you do. That's why you try to become a better person is for your family. If it's money, then everything's gonna be geared towards that.

If it's sex, if it's drugs, if it's God, that's whatever your top value, if it's drugs, if it's God, that's, you know, whatever your top value is is what you're, and this was a mind-blowing thing for me to get. Like, I understood this not that long ago. I don't remember who it was. I was watching, was talking and they're saying, look, if, you know, you may say you don't worship a God, but you worship something, whether you realize it or not. And then the way they explained it was, whatever it's God value, that was Mark Manson. He talks about that, right?

Right, yeah. He talks about you. He talks about Mark Manson. Start with why is a great book, a purpose-driven life is a great book on these topics, but I think the most simple, simply, that's ever been explained to me, that I guess maybe resonates the most with me, is that, you know, what would I do if I was a billionaire? If tomorrow I woke up, I had all the money in the world, I would not, I think we've all

said this before. Like, it would not dictate what we would do today. Like, we would literally still, if I had all the money in the world, I would still do what I'm doing right now. Like, that to me feels like I found my purpose because of that. It's because it's not about the money. Yes, we are building a business.

Yes, we have to, we try and make money to pay employees and to pay our bills and do all those things because all those things are a part of what makes this world go around. But if it didn't, if that didn't exist, would I still get up every morning and show up and meet up with these guys and talk about health and fitness and share this information with the world?

100% I believe I would 100% therefore I feel like I have found my purpose and you know, and I also think too sometimes and I and it seems to be a generational thing right now too with the young generation that's coming up that they're so desperate to find their purpose so early that you just might be ahead of your time right now. I don't know for sure that if you would ask me at 23 that I would say what I knew my purpose was and Gary Vee always says, you know, eat shit for nine years first. Like that's, you know, Like that's kind of the Justin's point. Like do for others and spend a lot of time

doing for others and working your ass off towards being a better version of yourself. Be grateful, be humble and do those things. Work your ass off, help other people. You're not the center of the universe. You're just a person like anybody else and just move forward like that. And you'll find, you know, being humble, oftentimes we reveal to you what your

purpose is, being kind of narcissistic and egoic, oftentimes we'll hide what your true purpose is and maybe give you a false sense of purpose. One that'll drive you to doing things that are not really, you know, fueling you in the right type, in the right ways, you know. And you see this a lot now, I mean, life is getting to the point where it's getting so easy. And I know I say this and some people get offended like life is hard. And yeah, yes it is. Life is very hard, but what I mean, it's easy in comparison to having what you want.

Yeah, like, I mean, let's be honest, like for a long time now, the average person in modern societies is more likely to die from too much food. Well, look at the things that we intake the most. Food, entertainment, and sex. And the evolution of those recently, I mean, you can swipe right and be having sex within 24 hours. Oh, yep, no.

I mean, that didn't easy access, right? Food, we could literally right and be having sex within 24 hours. Oh, yep. No. I mean, that didn't easy access. Right. Food, we could literally right now get on our phones, have it delivered to us right away, or we could pick it our phones out of our pocket and stream our favorite TV show. That has never existed in our lifetime. You've never seen something like that. So we are.

We are at a point where at this question, I think is gonna come up more and more because of that exact view of point you're making sounds. Automation and all that. Have you ever seen, you've ever seen that video where, I think it's a professor and he has a jar and he's got big rocks, smaller pebbles and then sand.

And he fills the jar with sand and then he says, how many rocks can I fit in there now and the students are like, well none and he goes, jar with sand. And then he says, how many rocks can I fit in there now and the students are like, well none? And he goes, okay, well that's right. And he goes, the sand represents entertainment and fun. And then he shows the pebbles and the rocks. And the big rocks are things like family, purpose,

duty, God, whatever. And the pebbles are like, it's so smaller values. And he goes, if you fill your jar with the big stuff, first, there's always room to add sand. If you do it the other way around, you'll never find room for the bigger things. I thought that was a very powerful visual. You know, powerful visual.

And it's true. I mean, I think a lot of people walk around and their number one value of the day is, video games or entertainment or whatever. There's nothing wrong with that stuff, but if you place the other stuff ahead of that, you'll have time for that stuff too.

You just find a greater sense of purpose and fulfillment. That's the word I like is fulfillment. I like the word happy, because happy is not, happy is fleeting. Nobody's happy all the time, it's impossible. In fact, like nobody's happy all the time, it's impossible. In fact, if people were happy all the time, it'd be fucking creepy. It would be like a bunch of jokers, you know, walking around with smiles on their face, like a scary movie. But fulfillment, you know, feeling fulfilled. I've had moments like that where

I've had moments that were just fucking fun, just incredibly fun, but they pale in comparison to the moments where like I'm sitting at the park and my kids are playing and it's not fun, but I get this feeling of like fulfillment. I can't describe the, oh, it's the most amazing. I mean, I had one of those moments just two nights ago and I don't know if you guys even remember, there was a moment where I was sitting with Katrina outside of our beach house. I'm watching all of you in the kitchen. Oh, I saw this, you were smiling at us.

Yeah, and I was like, what's he laughing at? No, you probably thought that. I was like, what? Food on my face, still. But that's, I live for that. I live for those moments of that together, the four of us in this room have created this. We had created this environment,

this opportunity that has allowed us to have a moment like that where we are all, there's no distractions around us at the time. We're enjoying each other's company and smiling and laughing and sharing and just amazing to me. Like that is so, so valuable to me and mean so much to me. More so than any of these other things that I think

that give you this instant gratification. And those are like now memory. Like that can, I can look back to that. Remember that moment. Know that we created that for ourselves. Like, so I don't know. I think, I think, I will say this. Purpose is not a destination.

It's a journey. So if your purpose is something that you can attain one day, like, okay, my purpose is to make a million dollars. You're going to have a rough fall down once you accomplish it. If you accomplish it, purpose should be about the journey. That's where you learn everything. Anyway, like the journey towards making a million. That's where you learn everything anyway. The journey towards making a million. That's where you gain the skills and learn things. Purpose should be never ending. You never want to be at a point where Mark Manson talked about this. When he hit his goal of selling however million books he was depressed for a few months,

like, what do I do now? This is why I think in many ways religion has been so effective for so many people because you know, like the ideal is perfection, right? Like for example, in the Christian religion Jesus, right? Like nobody's ever accomplished that. Nobody's ever perfect like him. But there's an example. But yeah, exactly.

And that's the goal. The goal is constantly trying to become closer to closer to that perfection. And that'll drive you for the rest of your life. And that journey is gonna be filled with lots of growth, type of deal. So anyway, great question. I don't think we necessarily have the answer.

I think that's a question that people have been trying to answer since the beginning of philosophy. But it's deep for sure. I don't think it's one, I think it's one you should constantly be asking yourself though, definitely. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all absolutely free. You can also find us on Instagram.

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