Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1068: Vacation Workout Tips, How to Train with Herniated Discs, Pros & Cons of an Exercise Pill & MORE

Episode Date: July 5, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about working out on vacation, posture correcting devices, considerations and exercises for training those with herniated discs, and whether an exercise pill has some value to society and health. Adam is now the “BALD” eagle: Why, how he got to this point, the benefits of red-light therapy & MORE. (5:07) Have dogs' eyes evolved to appeal to humans? (19:14) How the things you learn as a baby/child can become hardwired. (25:21) The anti-cancer properties of medicinal mushrooms. (30:31) Can the active ingredient in Pepto Bismol help treat your leaky gut? (35:54) Adam shares his experiences taking ‘baby’ classes with Catrina. The pros and cons of Western Medicine. (40:25) The Mind Pump GIF’s have gone VIRAL!! (49:45) #Quah question #1 – How do you guys work out on vacation? Also, if you are in the middle of a MAPS program should you pick up where you left off or start over? (55:00) #Quah question #2 – What are your thoughts on posture correcting or coaching devices? I have been seeing more and more ads for different types recently. (1:04:57) #Quah question #3 – What specific considerations or exercises are there for training those with herniated discs? (1:11:57) #Quah question #4 – In an episode of the Freakonomics podcast called “The Zero Minute Workout,” there are arguments for against the development of an exercise pill. While you have argued that real exercise is the best, studies show the majority of people will not exercise no matter how much you educate them. In this case, do you agree that an exercise pill is valuable to society and health? (1:19:50) People Mentioned ANDREW DEITSCH ® (@andrew_deitsch)  Instagram Dr. Joseph Mercola (@drmercola)  Instagram Dr. Michael Ruscio (@drruscio)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned July Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!! **Code “ANYWHERE50” at checkout** Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Four Sigmatic for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Visit Everly Well for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** EYES AHEAD MEDIA Dogs' eyes evolve to appeal to humans Medicinal mushrooms as an attractive new source of natural compounds for future cancer therapy Antimicrobial activity of bismuth subsalicylate on Clostridium difficile, Escherichia coli O157:H7, norovirus, and other common enteric pathogens Healthy Gut, Healthy You: The Personalized Plan to Transform Your Health from the Inside Out – Book by Dr. Michael Ruscio Mind Pump Ep. 1060: Stephanie Greunke of the Whole Mamas Podcast Mind Pump TV - YouTube The Zero-Minute Workout (Ep. 383) Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey guys, it's Mind Pump Time. Mind Pump Time. Look, in this episode, we talk about fitness, health, getting building muscle, burning body fat. And we also have a lot of fun. In fact, most of the fun was had in the first 50 minutes

with our introductory conversation. The shenanigans. Here's what we talked about in this episode. We start out by talking about Adam's head, not the action, but the actually top part of his body. Oh, wow. Wow. Coming in hot.

He shaved his head and blew everyone's mind because A, he has a perfectly cylindrical head. It's nice and round, spherical. But B, because he has no more he has a perfectly cylindrical head, it's nice and round, spherical. But B, because he has no more psoriasis on his head, which is insane. And the reason why his psoriasis is largely gone is because he's been using Juve red light therapy, which is approved for this kind of usage, also reduces the appearance of wrinkles. And anecdotally seems to improve recovery.

Now, Juve is the maker of the best red light therapy we think you can get on the market. If you go to Juve.com.jouvv.com-mindpump, you will get a free Maps Prime program with the purchase of $500 or more and free shipping. Then I talked about an article I read about why dogs have eyes that move differently than wolves. Apparently they evolved to emote with the way they look at us. They're becoming human. Cute little suckers.

Then I talked about the anti-tumor properties of medicinal mushrooms like chaga. Now, four sigmatic is the best maker of medicinal mushrooms on the market. They are the absolute best. They have mushrooms that will help with athletic performance, health, immunomodulating properties. If you go to foursigmatic.com,

that's F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C.com, forward slash mind pump, you'll get 15% off your entire order. Then I talked about Pepto Bismol and its potential positive effects on people with gut issues. That's right. It doesn't just treat diarrhea It may actually get old pink stuff may actually treat the bacteria that causes the diarrhea. It's kind of fascinating Adam gives his update on the baby classes. He's been taking classes with Katrina gives his update on the baby classes. He's been taking classes with Katrina, reluctantly poor guy.

And he talks all about it. It's pretty interesting. Then we talked about the new gifts, the mind pump gifts. If you're on Instagram, you can actually look up mind pump and you'll see a bunch of gifts. There's one with Justin's brain cheese in his mouth.

Yeah. There's one with that. There's one with us using shake weights, Adam's slapping Justin's face. There's one. I'm gonna live with that. There's one with us using shake weights, Adam slapping Justin's face. There's a lot of swipe up ones, a lot of cool fun gifts that we made. Make sure you go find them. Sure, and with your friends.

On Instagram and the guy that made them for us, awesome guys, name is Andrew. If you wanna make gifts for yourself or your business, make sure you go check them out. His website is eyes ahead media. That's EYESAHEDmedia.com. ForstashGIF. Check them out, he makes the best gifts.

Then we get to the fitness portion of this episode. The first question, this person wants to know how to work out on vacation. Now we do have a vacation workout program. That's actually good for any time. It's equipment free. That's why it for any time. It's equipment-free. That's why it's great for workouts called maps anywhere. Make sure you check that out.

It's 50% off. But also in this part of the episode, we talk about how to work out with kettlebells, how to use mobility, and how to jump back into your routine after you take time off for vacation. Next question. This person wants to know what our opinions are on posture correcting devices.

There's quite a few of them out in the market right now. We give our rundown. The next question, this person wants to know what considerations or exercises they should use or not use if they have a herniated disk. Herniated disks are extremely common. We talk all about what you should know about exercise if you have a herniated disc in that part of this episode.

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And Adam, I have to say, the way that you are, you know, the way you're celebrating Independence Day, I have to say is commendable. Oh, how's that? Well, I mean, you know, what's the, what's the, the bird of America? Ah, the ball. The ball. The ball. Genius. So, what's the, the, the bird of America? The baldie go genius.

You shaving your head the way you did. And you're likely to get a good dad slash bald joke there. I can see. No, no, can I say something real quick? Yeah. Okay. And this is 100% fucking crazy. This is crazy to me.

First off, you shaved your head. It looks really good. Compliments. Looks really good on you. Second. I'm glad that worked out by that. Second. So for and I'm gonna read I know you've talked about this I'll talk about this on the show oftentimes, but I'm gonna repeat it for people who maybe knew You've had you've been dealing with psoriasis for a long time now since you were 25. Yeah, and you know we joke around about you You know losing your hair as you're getting older and I was always tell you shave your head and you said you couldn't because you had psoriasis and you did you had like three or four big spots on your scalp which prevented you from shaving your head they're in shit on your head right now yeah it's almost completely gone that's that is a crazy

completely gone. That is a crazy transformation. Well, I'll tell you what happened. It's kind of funny because I told you, you brought it up way back when you write about shaving my head. And I used to shave my head as a kid when I played sports. I loved it shaved. And it does feel good to shave your head. Oh yeah, that's nice, right?

I think if there were no women on earth, every man would shave their head. It is easy. It is the easiest haircut ever. They still would shave their head. It is easy. It's the easiest haircut ever. They still love rubbing my head. It's great. So I would love to do that.

And then I mean, I'm no fool. I knew I was, I've been thinning for quite some time now, right? So there's no, there's no me denying that. Like I've been well aware of that for all the people that would like DM me and let me know, hey, do you know your thinning? Like, yeah, yeah. Hey man, you know this? Thank you me know. Hey, do you know your thinning? Like, yeah. Yeah.

Hey man, you're nervous. Thank you, bro. Wait, wait, you're really getting DMs like that? I don't even wanna talk about my DMs. Come on. I'm getting full. Yeah. Yeah.

Everybody's noticed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know I, for a long time, I've known that. And I would have loved to just shave my head, but I do. I, 25, I, Sarisas came on, never had it before, and it's gotten progressively worse as I've gotten older. It's an autoimmune issue.

And so I've tried to do things in the diet and this and that. I talked a long time ago about when you schooled me on that I probably was had a vitamin D deficiency. That made a difference. And that really helped. And then of course when I went and did the Eveliwell vitamin D test, that I probably was had a vitamin D deficiency. That made a difference. And that really helped. And then of course, when I went and did the Everly Well vitamin D test, I saw the difference and how bad I was even when I was taking 5,000 I use. So that started to help things out.

But it just hadn't been able to get rid of the psoriasis completely. Well, something that I noticed when I really got into using the Juve light was the out of all the things that I saw from the Juve Light, because I have psoriasis on my shin, I have it on my rib cage, I've got a little bit on my elbows, my forearm,

so I have them on all these little spots. And the thing that I noticed the most about the Juve Light was it was really starting to clear my skin up. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. And it was about, I don't know, I wanna say about two months ago, Rachel had taken a video of me and we were outside in the front,

part of the studio right here, where the new, the big new lights are. Big huge sun lights. Yeah, those big soft lights that we have. Jan, I had anything in those lights. And she was videoing me doing something. And I was, I think I was looking down on my phone. And that was the first time that I'd seen the way

my top of my head had looked kind of currently and under those types of lights. And it was like, oh my God, it looks bad. It looks really bad. And so I told Katrina, I'm like, literally, right after that moment, I'm like, that's it, I'm shaving my head. And I'll just, I'll figure this psoriasis thing out.

I don't care if I gotta put cream on it every day and just, it'll be a hassle, but whatever. And so I tell her that she's like, no, please wait till we get our photos done. I love your hair. I know that it's not, it just doesn't look so, she's all, you know, biased, right? Oh, it doesn't look bad at all.

You can barely tell. You can't get the bullet. She's shorter than you. Yeah, exactly. She obviously didn't see that shit, right? So I was already on this mission that I'm going to do that. I thought, okay, well, I hadn't been using the Juve that consistent at this time when this all happened.

And I'm like, okay, I'm going to get back on being really regiment about it. If I'm not out in the sun, I'm going to be in in front of that Jew for at least 10, 15 minutes every single day. And instead of doing the whole body thing all the time, I would just sit in front of it and do work on my phone and just drop my head down. And I'm like, let's see if I can shine the light on it. And I've been very consistent with that for the last two, two, three months now. And... Bro, it's gone. Well, it's...

You don't have a, I can't see anything. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. No, people need to know this is not bullshit. This is not a bullshit. Well, I can still kind of see really, really care, but I mean, it has pretty much almost gone. And they were, I mean, there was like, I mean, one of the spots was like the size of a silver dollar

to the other spots were about the size of a quarter. And then I had a really big spot between the back of my head. And they all have pretty much gone away. So. Oh, I can take a picture here right now. I'll post it and people can see for them. You can't see anything.

No. Here's a thing that trips me out about this. Well, it trips me out, but it also pisses me off. And this is why one of the reasons why Western medicine practitioners, doctors, sometimes get a bad rap and why the wellness industry hammers them so hard. And I think it's, I don't think it's appropriate or I don't think it's accurate to hammer them as hard as the wellness industry does. But I understand where they're coming from.

And here's where they're coming from. You've been going to a doctor or doctors for... For a trial. I've seen a dermatologist for almost 10 years now. Okay, for 10 years. Did they ever tell you that to take more vitamin D? They know. Did they ever tell you to use light therapy

to work on your psoriasis? No. Now, here's the part that pisses me off. This is an alternative treatment, both of which, the vitamin D and the photobio modulation, like you find in Juve, both of them are approved by the FDA to help treat issues like psoriasis. Yet neither one of those will recommend it to you.

Would instead, what do they give you? Yeah, they give me a steroid shot. Yeah, which you have to get a prescription for and you're getting and you're paying for red light, they don't make money off of and obviously the vitamin D you could buy at the grocery store. So once a year, fucking infuriating. Yeah. No, it was really, I remember when the vitamin D thing came up, that was when we were doing the show. And I just went on the internet and I was like, oh, bro, like million studies show that people with psoriasis tend to tend to, not always, but tend to get better with increases

and by my mind. And that was the reason I've been conversation with your doctor. Never, never. And even when I did, actually after the fact when I brought it up, they're like, oh yeah, that should help. You know, like it was just so not shalon about. It's so mad.

And the same thing goes for, because I just saw them not that long ago. It should be the first thing you do. And I was telling her about, so this is the longest time that I've ever had to go between these shots. So I used to go like every six months, sometimes even sooner than that,

back when I was competing, because I wanted it to be as clear as I could be when I was getting on stage. And it's never been this good for this long. So it's been a year since I did the dermatology appointment and the two things that I attribute to it, or the three things I should say, I definitely notice a big difference

when my diet is dialed. If I'm staying away from high inflammatory foods and I'm eating, I'm eating quote unquote, clean, I definitely see it get suppressed. So there I notice a big difference. When I'm using the juve, when I'm using the Juve or getting sunlight, and then also the vitamin D. And those three things to me have made more of a difference.

Now, mind you, the steroid, when they shoot the steroid in it, it, like within a week actually clears it up big time, faster than anything else. All those other things take longer time and consistency. Well, here's not one time under the Jew, also, it was clear dark. Yeah, it was, it was months. It was a couple months of consistency of almost every day getting on there for about 10 minutes and doing that.

But here's the difference. The, the steroid shot is not treating the root cause of why you have psoriasis in the first place. It is a bandaid. It's a symptom solution. It's a symptom solution. It's like taking Advil for a headache when in reality you just stop banging your head against the wall.

With a situation like this, low vitamin D levels can cause your immune system to attack itself. So oftentimes people with autoimmune issues, psoriasis in particular, and other autoimmune issues as well, have low vitamin D. Sunlight or all the wide spectrum of light that comes off the sun, especially the red lights

that come off the sun, which is what you find in the Juve light, has a positive effect on these things because it's actually helping solve the root cause. And that's what's annoying. And here's the other thing, you go to your dermatologist for skin issues, ask them if diet has any cause, like, hey, can I change my diet and help my acne? No, it's not gonna help your acne.

No, that's what they told me. Bullshit. That's what it annoyed me. Bullshit. Complete bullshit, but this is crazy because you're dealing with a chronic autoimmune issue that a lot of people listening right now probably deal with, that there are no cures.

There is no, it's like basically symptom management. Yeah. And deal with that there are no cures, there is no, it's like basically symptom management. Yeah. And the fact that you've made such a, I mean, it's like night and day, bro. Well, that's all I was, I scripted out when I saw it. It really was what I was waiting for because there's no, I mean,

those that had ever seen, I mean, people that are close to me have seen obviously my spots before and I've showed them. If I had my head shaved and had my psoriasis flared up, it would look really bad. I mean, anyone that is familiar with eczema or psoriasis, it gets scabby and dry and having that on a bald white head would just look awful. So I'd rather look thinning like I had been looking for a long time then to have all these scabs all over the top of my head.

So that was, I was really adamant about not shaving my head for those reasons. Otherwise, I would love to shave my head. You know, so the day I started thinning, I would have loved to, but it was too late by that time because I didn't really start thinning till my late 20s and it was at 25 when psoriasis came on.

And that's right, right around when you were working in gyms and not getting any suns. Right, after I learned all that like when I When I unpacked the vitamin D thing and understood I was like do this makes so much sense to me at least right and again This is the anecdotal I can't speak for anybody else in their scenario But it makes a lot of sense to me that I Was as a kid I lived under the sun. I mean we grew up on the lake. We were a higher elevation I lived under the sun. I mean we grew up on the lake. We were a higher elevation. I

Was outdoors every single day all day long and that I worked all through high school and junior college on a ranch and a farm So I was just sun sun sun. I was a big wake border lake guy all the time So I just got sun all the time. I was really really then all of a sudden I get this job at 20 years old where I work in the gym and I fall in love with it. I fall in love with it so much that I work seven days a week, 10 hours a day, many days of my life in my early 20s that I'm in this box that's fluorescent lights. And I was grinding at 5 a.m. I'd be in there training clients. I wouldn't leave till 10 p.m. at night.

And I did that for you. And then all of a sudden at 25, it comes up out of nowhere. Because it does take a while for vitamin D levels to start to deplete because you weren't getting any sunlight. Right. And so it makes sense to me that, I had got my body adapted to getting so much of it. And then I went from one, a pretty extreme there.

I was probably on the higher end of somebody who's out in the sun. And then I went to the total opposite into the spectrum by getting virtually nothing. And then that's and so, but I didn't put that together till after the vitamin D, understanding the vitamin D that I probably have low levels in that, understanding what I'm getting from the sun. I'm like, oh, okay, well, this makes sense now that this could have been the main cause. Well, it's one of the, it's one of the FDA-approved applications

of red light is to work with psoriasis. Another one is for hair regrowth, which is crazy, because I didn't think anything really helped hair regrowth, but that's an actually FDA-approved wrinkles. Reducing the appearance of wrinkles, I believe is also one of their approved treatments. Jessica's been using it just on her face and she's young anyway. So it's not like there's, you know,

I didn't say, I think I'd notice, but you can tell a little bit. She, her face looks a little more. Oh, Cassie's using, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cassie took one when she went back and same thing for her too. Like, I mean, I notice a difference right away. You'll, it's weird.

You have this kind of glow. So it doesn't, it almost, it almost feels like it tans you, but it doesn't. I know it doesn't tan you, but when you get out of it for about 15, 20 minutes, you feel your skin feels like it glows. It's a weird, it's a weird feeling to wear it. It almost feels like it got tanned. It's making your, your cells are producing ATP at faster rates. That's what it's that's what it's doing And so it just becomes which this is why it helps speed up recovery correct? That's what they say. Yeah, I don't know if that's an FDA approved application But there are studies that support it and there's plenty of antidote and I know that red light therapy

Wasn't a doctor McCullough that was Swerving by that he was swearing by it but but athletes have been using it for a long time I know professional sports teams have been using You know physical therapists have been using it for a long time. I know professional sports teams have been using you know physical therapists have been using it for a long time for recovery. So it is it is fascinating. It's quite interesting. But anyway, I wanted to comment on that dude because it's like well now you look tough, dude. I think we're ready for Harley's. Yeah, I'm really man. I'm super elated that it was that it went away like that. And that I'm able, because to me,

this is easier and is nicer. And, you know, I don't mind. That's awesome. Got a pretty symmetrical dome. Yeah. Hey, so I was gonna bring up this article about dogs and then I wanna ask you why you brought yours and they're fucking your dog's hilarious, by the way.

We were sitting out there. They fucking farted on Doug. Oh, he was not happy about that. We were sitting out there all three of us, and we were all going through the, you know, the Instagram to pick questions for this episode. And they just went from one person to another to try and get a pet, like to get petted.

They came to me and they'd say, I'd shake my head no, then they go to Adam, Adam's busy, he'd shake his head no, and they'd go to, and they just kept doing that. Over and over again, until somebody gets in. Slopper all over me, and I couldn't help it. Well, it's funny because it reminds me of this article that I read over the weekend that I thought

was so fascinating. So dogs, as you guys probably already know, they broke off from the gray wolf, something like, I don't know, how many tens of thousands of years ago, right? The first wolf that came over to humans and, you know, barked when predators came, but then we also fed them and learned that if it helped us, we would help then that led to the domestic domestication of wolves and then led to dogs. And there's

lots of traits that dogs have that because they evolve with humans, the dogs evolved to have certain traits to make themselves more likable from humans. Yes, for example, the barking and the yelping and all that stuff, that's a puppy behavior that wolves have, but they grow out of it. Once they get certain age, they don't do that anymore. You never hear wolves bark. Dogs do because it became advantageous for them

to be puppy like their whole lives, because humans like puppies, we like little babies. And so they kind of adopted these and evolved to have these puppy-like features forever. Another thing that they evolved to have that wolves don't have are these muscles around their eyes that allow them to raise their eyebrows, and shrug their brow, and kind of create these human-like gestures. Human-like gestures and their voluntary.

So they're doing studies on dogs and finding that these are voluntary things that dogs do with their face and they're literally communicating to you. Oh, 100%. I 100% believe that. You can, I can tell you when Bentley is frustrated or irritated.

I can tell when Mazze's jealous, they have facial expressions. And you can see what, if I'm if Bentley is not getting attention and I've already like shoot him off, get away. And he's, he'll first come over with that sweet look. And it's this like pet me dad and it's this real soft look and he does it with it.

You can see it in his face and he kind of paws that you a little bit. And if I'm kind of shooting him away because I'm busy, I do that enough times to where he gets irritated and you see the look on him and he actually does this thing where he goes, and he intentionally sneezes on you. Yeah. And it's such a dick move.

Like, you know, a lot of times I'll shoot him away when I'm like eating because I don't want to buy me and he'll sneeze on my food. And I know what the fuck he's doing. And then he kind of walks away and he'll get like, he'll get in your eyesight in your, in your, in your peripheral, right? He'll, he'll stand there, he'll sit next to like the television

and for watching TV just to where I can walk you. And he'll just be looking at you. And just mean mugging you, sitting. Oh, yeah. The funniest thing. I'm just having fun and picked up on Arlo's. I have to shit look. And finally. You know, I see it. It's this this long stare and he sits down and looks up at me and I'm like I was ignoring it. You know, it's all long. He's backfired on me. So literally

at least now I know. Yeah. No, but it's fascinating because you know, dogs evolved literally to become more likable and able to communicate with humans and to depend on us. There's this one study that they do with, they do these studies with wolves and dogs to kind of separate the difference between them. There are some very fascinating differences. One test that they do is they'll take food and they'll put it underneath like bowls or something or whatever, and the wolf will have to try and guess which one.

And if a human is pointing to a bowl or not, the wolf doesn't give a shit. There's a pay attention to the human pointing. A dog will. A dog will also try for so long and then stop and look at the human. Like they'll sit there, look at the human, as if to say, all right, just tell me.

Yeah, whereas a wolf just doesn't give a shit and we'll continue doing it. Oh, because they're constantly picking up on our cues. Exactly, versus the wolf doesn't give a shit. They're out there, the community can't even must themselves or just own their own. It's crazy. And if you think about where we owe so much of our survival

as humans to certain animals, dogs number one is huge. Yeah, dogs number one and then horses, of course, number two, and other, you know, certain animals. Dogs number one. Dogs huge. Dogs number one and then horses, of course, number two, and other work animals. Well, they think that and fire, right? That relationship, because we kept the wolves off with fire, but then they would come just close enough and then we would start like giving them food. So they would keep predators away.

Keep predators away. So yeah. How amazing is that? It's kind of a crazy symbiotic relationship. Oh, it's established. It's beautiful and it's fascinating. And it's funny when you look at a dog and it's eyes and you know, they say puppy dog eyes or whatever. Look at their eyes and you realize that they they've evolved to look more like humans. I know. Like their eyes start to get

more. Have you ever stared like it in the eyes of an actual wolf? No. Oh my God. It is crazy. No, they see like way beyond you. You know, it's like, God, it is crazy. No. They see way beyond you. You know, it's almost an eerie feeling. Yeah, one of my friends had, it was a wolf, it was not pure, but pretty close to pure wolf breed. And this was not like a dog at all. Like it was completely different animal.

And we just decide on a moment, oh, I'm going to jump, like, a couple feet up in the air into this little crack in the crevice of this window and just take off. And they go mess with other dogs and just take off while they come back and just, you know, do my own thing. Oh, don't pet me. You know, it would just stop and it was crazy. Well, Yellowstone, they were saying that if you see wolves, a wolf or wolves to stay at least a hundred feet away, like don't even go near them because they'll fuck you up.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Totally different than dogs anyway. It's funny you're bringing this up because Katrina and I were literally last night talking about, you know, having the baby and when the, when Maximus comes, like, you know, the importance of us being calm parents in no matter what. We can't anticipate what it's gonna be like, how stressful it'll be, like, be prepared for whatever,

but in the moment, making sure that we always keep ourselves really calm. And one of the things that I was speculating with her on was, like so for example, do you believe that when somebody you know is blind they hear exceptionally well or they smell exceptionally well because they rely on their sense. Yeah, their sense has become the deficiency. Right, the other ones become extremely heightened because you don't have the other ones you rely on them, right? When I was explaining to her, I was like, well think about like what happens with a baby, right? Like a baby's,

a baby's sight, they can't even, but like six inches in front of their face and everything's blurry for them. Their sound, their use to hearing it all echoey. So a lot of their senses is really dull. And so they really only have this feel. They feel your body with touch and they feel the energy that you put off. And so it,

Maybe they're all feel. Right. So it makes a lot of sense to me that if you're a, if you have a lot of heightened stress as a parent and you Allow things to freak you out even if you don't say it or yell or doing like that You just put that energy off the baby has to feel that in sense that way more than you even think that you can Oh, it makes sense because a baby coming into the world is learning how to react and behave right in certain situations and the same thing with pain. Like, I remember that study, but yeah, it was, it's crazy to think about that.

Like, they literally looked to you like, oh, I stepped on a nail or, you know, something happened and it's not, the immediate reaction isn't cry, you know, for a while. Like, it's like, how do I react? Yeah, how do I react? Yeah, one of the reasons why I'm such a, I can be such an anxious neurotic person is because my mom was very anxious neurotic person. Don't touch that, don't get dirty, watch out, be careful, whatever.

She'd follow you around and it made me that kind of a person as well because you learn it. And here's the thing, what you learn as a baby and as a child. Oh man, that's your, a lot of it becomes hard-wired. It's right in the code. It's writing your code early on.

And I was giving her the analogy that, like with dogs, because, you know, our dogs were like the first animals that Katrina ever had. She never had dogs. And I always would explain to her, like, you know, the boy's gotten a fight this morning. It's like, you can't allow their aggressiveness and energy to freak you out because it heightens the situation.

If you get all freaked out and scared because they're fighting and getting all scared, it just makes it in more intense. But if you're calm, you're direct, and you, the dogs feel that. I'm like, so if an animal can do that, like a dog, what makes me think that a baby doesn't have that similar sense of his parents? Well, I have an analogy for you. This is, I think this will be a good analogy. It's like you're on an airplane and the people

who were they called that walk down the aisle. Stewartist? Yeah, the stewardess comes down and is telling you that there's a flight attendant. Thank you. That there's a situation in the plane. If they're freaked out, you're fucking freaking out. Right.

If they're like, you know, okay, everybody strap on. We got some turbulence coming, everybody's like, oh fuck, if they're like, okay, everybody strap on, we got some turbulence coming, everybody's like, oh fuck, if they're like, hey everybody please fasten your seat belts, there may be a few bumps coming up or whatever, everybody's like, okay, it's not that big of a deal. If they're not freaking out,

because you're watching them, and they're helping dictate how you should feel. So on the extreme level, babies I think are doing something. No, I think so too. And I know everyone always says like, oh you never, you never, you're okay. That's what the fuck they were calling you.

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That's their only way to try and communicate how they're feeling or thinking. And so learning to be calm in moments like that, I end the parents that I know that are, we're already naturally calm type of parents and got along really well and a lot of love. Like they tend to have those babies that are like that. And the ones that are fucking were scared about it

or weren't expecting it or stressed out and like, you put that energy. And you see that even as they grow up too. I mean, like, yeah, I've seen certain my friends that are, like, and they, there's nothing but love a lot of times, but a lot of times like very frantic and like always paranoid and anxious all the time. Like you see it in their kids' behavior.

It's tough. You know, it's like chaos. It is tough. And if you're that kind of person, being with someone who's liked that also, it's like times 10. Right. If one person is calm, oftentimes you can't,

you know, it doesn't reflect off any, it just comes back at you and you start to realize, okay, I think I can calm down a little bit. But anyway, it's interesting. Do another cool article that I read about mushrooms, which I thought was really fascinating. So obviously we were on vacation last week and so I was just a lot of reading whenever I had an opportunity.

And I was reading about the anti-tumor properties of medicinal mushrooms, I mean, among all the compounds and foods that we have on earth that are edible or whatnot, mushrooms have some of the most amazing promise and properties when it comes to preventing cells from becoming cancerous. And so I was reading about the theories as to why they do this. Chaga, for example, Chaga is being studied right now for its anti-cancer properties by pharmaceutical companies, trying to figure out how it works and if they can maybe amplify

it and create a medication to treat cancer. And so I was reading a little bit about it and it's really has to do with the the the cell mediated immune responses that Mushrooms cause and if you think about this like okay, why would mushrooms Modulate the immune system, but then you think about well, how do mushrooms work? Mushrooms oftentimes are the symbiotic organisms, like mushrooms and trees, for example, the trees allow the mushrooms to grow in them and on them because the mushrooms then help them become healthier, fight off other infections and help the trees communicate now we're finding with each other. And so mushrooms have evolved to modulate the immune

system to not kill them, but through that modulation probably also will help the immune system to not become cancerous to not develop these cancer cells to not develop autoimmune type issues. Haven't they? Have they had that process? Don't they also have a relationship's bacteria like a very like a symbiotic relationship with bacteria? Well, they they I mean the first the first antibiotic was penicillin,

which is a fungus, right? Right. So that's, and again, this is why you see mushrooms on plants is because oftentimes the plants benefit from having the mushrooms, and of course the mushrooms benefit from being on the plants. And so it's through those properties

that when you eat these mushrooms, it modulates the immune system, which means if you're immune system, especially if you have autoimmune issues or if your immune system isn't working and not killing, because all of us have cells that can become cancer. So what ends up happening is our immune system destroys them. Can you explain modulating a little bit more, though, like for your average person?

Yeah, modulating meaning, if you're, it helps bring the immune system into optimal function or balance. So in other words, it's not an immune booster, it's not an immune suppressant, because immune suppressants have value with some autoimmune issues, right? So if I have like, Crohn's disease,

an immune suppressant would help because it would keep my immune system from attacking my digestive system. Immune boosters have benefit for, let's say, cancer. Why is it my immune system fighting off and killing these cancer cells and allowing them to become tumors? Immuno-modulating substances go in and affect the immune system in ways that are positive, whether it needs to be boosted

or it needs to be suppressed a little bit. It modulates the immune system. And there's certain compounds that do this, mushrooms being one of them, cannabinoids also have been shown to have this. So if you're sick, Magd is it in their coffee that they have chaga that they offer? Is it like a pillar powder?

First off, most of these medicinal mushrooms have these immunomodulating properties. So if you take a performance enhancing mushroom like cordiceps, so like you just want stamina and endurance. You get it from all of them. All of them have this benefit. Now some are more effective at some things than other. For example, the anti-tumor effects of mushrooms. Chaga is seems to be the most promising, but I think what we're going to find in the future is a combination. Now does it probably? Is that also carry into because I eat mushrooms all the time.

Does that carry over into your traditional, like, mushroom? Traditional food mushrooms also have these properties, but they're much, much more subtle. Okay. The medicinal mushrooms are the ones that seem to be the most potent in their medicinal effects, but they're not the kind that you cook with.

Like, you're not gonna make, you're not gonna put chaga mushrooms on your going to put chaga, mushrooms on your steak, you're taking quarter sets. Yeah, it's not going to taste good. You know what I mean? They're more medicinal. They're more like a supplement would be mushrooms. I'm absolutely fascinated by,

and again, it's one of the fastest growing fields of research and supplements, I think, for good reason. It's really fascinating to me. All that stuff between mushrooms, between bacteria, relationships, between even parasites, and all those things that have interacted to create this internal environment that's near our digestive system.

It's very fascinating. It's weird, right? Because I grew up at least thinking that, and the science kind of said this as well, that we are just humans, and that's it. We need food, air, water, and shelter, but that's about it. Now realizing that we're really this collection

of organisms that works together, and if we don't have all these organisms things that work with us, we're fucked. We're totally fucked. I don't know, the first time I learned that we had more bacteria cells than human cells. Oh, I know. That's weird.

I'm like, who's controlling this thing? All of it, right? They're freaking out. All of it. I was doing some more reading, and I also came across some articles that, so you know, I always talk about like gut health and SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth,

and that's becoming a big issue with people, and there's herbal. I just sent you over to my clients report. Yes, yes, and that might be from gut issues. Yeah. And herbal antimicrobials that can help kill the bacteria, but what happens a lot of times with people who have CBO is they'll take these herbal antimicrobials

or they'll take an antibiotic, and it's not effective because what bacteria can do is they can create what are called biofilms. And these biofilms are like a shield that protect them from medicines and drugs. So you get strong enough biofilms, you can throw all the antibiotics you want, or antimicrobials you want,

bacteria is behind the biofilm and they're not going anywhere. Then I read that a popular medicine that you could buy over the counter that people take all the time for heartburn and digestion and diarrhea contains... No, bismuth.

Bismuth, which is in peptobismal. Peptobismal, yeah, I remember bismuth. It breaks down the biofilms and it has antimicrobial properties and in studies they're showing that people with gut issues, sometimes will take pepto and then spontaneously heal. They'll stop taking the pepto and that's it. It's gone because it actually kills these bacteria.

So part of the, part of people, someone's treatment for seba and there are a few functional health medicine practitioners that are... Get a fashion pepto. Yeah, take pepto along with your antimicrobials and then you'll get like the best effect. I don't even know that's freaking over the counter medicine for dairy.

I thought you were gonna bring up another thing about like Pipsid AC or they were gonna give me like dementia. No, no, no, no, no, fuck. I've already been trying to get myself off of all this medication. The doctor told my client that proteins are getting into her blood, which to me that's...

Licky got it right. Licky got right. That's the only way that would happen right? Okay that's what I told her and I was... I mean it's not the only way but that's what I was... Most common way. Right, that's what I figured. And it's causing her immune system to get... Yeah she's getting her eyelashes and stuff like that and swelling and so she's dealing

with all that. Yeah I would... She should look at treating her gut, really getting her gut healthy, strengthening the bonds. It's crazy what she's going through right now because she's going through all these normal doctors and the terminology they're using for her and then the way they're trying to tell her to treat it, she's not getting anywhere at all. So I want to, I sent her over healthy gut,

healthy you from Ruscio. That'll be good. Yeah, and hopefully if I can't help her, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna meet with her tomorrow and see if I can kinda, because here's the thing that I realized too, that happens to client when something like this happens. And, you know, I think it's important

to anybody else that could potentially be going through this, is here she is, she's, I don't actually physically train her at someone that I help in coach. And, you know, she's following one of the maps program. She's been consistent for like the last six months. And then all of a sudden, this stuff starts to really coming up out of nowhere. And it's right when she's, you know, getting consistent.

She's training hard. She's, she's dieting hard. She's working her tail off. She just went through a divorce last year or the year before. She's got a lot of stuff on her plate. And then she gets hit with something like this. And she tries to hunker down and become more disciplined and push harder.

That's probably what helped my creative environment. And so that's what I'm trying to explain to her right now is that, you know, you're, you know, and then she has this like, then it makes me want to just say, fuck and give up everything. I'm like, no, it's not fucking give up everything. It's, we need to really try and work with your body

and you cannot muscle your way through this situation. It's not worth it. Yeah, and then you think of like, going to doctors and them not being able to give you any really good answers, how much stress that probably causes and anxiety that that causes, which just is, feeds right back into it and it makes it even worse. So, you know, having somebody who I'm talking to right now

going through it just reminds me of like, man, how hard that is for somebody who could be listening and going through something like that of, you know, being able to take a deep breath, calm down, try and listen to your body as crazy as that and woo, woo, that may sound, but, you know, trying to push real hard or diet extreme, you know, is not gonna help that situation at all.

And learning something. But think about it, if your immune system is hyper vigilant in causing these kind of reactions, creating a mental state of stress is only gonna reinforce the belief that your immune system has that, oh, I need to be hyper vigilant.

This is an environment that I need to be even more vigilant and it can cause even worse problems. So, anyway, I wanted to ask you about the, didn't you take some classes? Oh, yeah, the Lamas classes. Was it Lamas, they took? Oh, dude, did you take any of the hippie ones?

Bro, I did everything. I did, you know, trying to be support of husband and guy, right? So she signed us up for the newborn class and then we had the Lamas class. They don't call it Lamas, they call it something else, you know, but we did all that stuff. We're there.

Yeah, exactly. And I was joking with her, I didn't need to go, I don't wanna go. And she's just like, you have to go. And I'm like, okay, I'll go at a support, but I really don't wanna be here. And then I found out they were like, it was like three different days of four hours of peace,

dude, I was like, oh my God, are you kidding me? And now mind you after I've gone through it some cool stuff I mean there was some little things like that. It's been a long time since I swaddle the baby So having someone teach me to reteach me how to swaddle a baby and Different techniques and and and some do's and don'ts that I'm like, okay, that was cool. That's good information You know, I mean nothing that we couldn't Google, but still. You know, I'm like, whatever. The part that really annoyed me though, where some like so, you know,

the girls teaching this class, super, super sweet girl, had a couple kids herself and doing this class for, I think she's been teaching it for like eight years that's been going with good Sam for, I think, like, 20 years it's been in a practice. And, you know, kind of an eye-opener too, we're in a class and, I think, like, 20 years it's been in a practice. And you know, kind of an eye-opener too. We're in a class and, you know, I forget, Katrina and I are not an average person.

And I feel average. I feel like a normal, just like a normal person. But when you think of, like, health, fitness, and understanding and knowledge about your body and stuff, I forget what a gap there is between us and a lot of our peers. And this was, like, a major eye- eye opener of that, listening to the questions. And that's part of what drove me crazy. I was just like, oh my God, these questions that are being asked are this is as basic as we can possibly get.

Like, of course, they're getting into nutrition and exercising. Well, and that's where I got really like, I'm like, okay, and now I'm waste of my time. And I'm hearing bad information. Like this is what makes me want to leave. Some guy asked a question, I thought was a very good question to ask at this point because we are starting to get into the process, the actual labor process,

and the importance of the mom staying calm and pushing and what that all looks like and talking about the muscles that push the baby out out and the guy this guy raises his hand and ask So really he says so is there is there any validity to Should she be training and working out to do this and she was like no strengthen those muscles Yeah, strengthen those muscles and she was like real quick to be like no no You know this point. She's you know pregnant and she's way too far along to be you don't need to be doing, no, no, you know, this point, she's, you know, pregnant and she's way too far along to be, you don't need to be doing any crunches or ab exercises right now, which

that's true. But, you know, crunches are one thing, learning to activate your transverse abdominis is another thing. So she just kind of like went right over that and shut that down for people. And I'm thinking to myself, to me, this is what I've been coaching Katrina on since the day we got pregnant was training your pelvic floor muscles. And I have no idea what it's like to be pregnant or have a kid. So this is just my anatomy, physiology, trainer brain going.

I'm going, okay, it makes the most sense that all these muscles that are responsible to help contract and push this baby through that canal. I would think it would be really smart to train those during this time right now, so that when it comes to game time, you've got that mind muscle connection, and you've got it down really well, just like if you asked me,

if you looked at me right now, it's at Adam, flex your lats, I can do that. A lot of people can't do that. Well, why can't I do that? Why I've trained that connection really, really well for a very long time. Not a lot of people understand how to activate your core. We all know that from being training clients for many years.

You ask someone to do like a drawn maneuver that's never done it before or, you know, suck in just your core, but don't hold your breath. A lot of them can't do that. So to tell me that there's no value in training that and teaching that really well. And then to go, and then you add in that a lot of these people,

well, I don't think 60 plus percent are taking the epidural, which fucking numbs you from all the way down. So now you want somebody who's never trained that connection to activate those core muscles to help push this baby along. And then you're gonna give them a drug that numbs all that up

and think they're gonna have a connection there. Like no wonder so many C-sections are happening. It makes total fucking sense to me. Then you add in, she starts talking about, she starts showing the pelvis, the hips, right? And showing that how it works, it's kind of, she's taking a little baby doll and she's putting it down through the pelvis and she goes,

and this is what happens is, when your pelvis is like this, if it closes off, it makes it really hard for the baby. If it goes anterior, the baby can't come out. It has to go to a posterior to the body. Right, so she's kind of like, just demonstrating that. And so I let her finish her thing, she doesn't say anything and then they take a little break and I go, do you think there would be any value in teaching everybody like how to actually

activate their glutes and then rotate their pelvis like when they're in that process. It makes sense to me that you would engage the glutes, rotate the pelvis, activate the core to help shuttle this baby through because you open up the pathway. Provide a clear pathway. Right. And you know, none of that was covered. And so I'm like, this is crazy to me that. And you gotta know that what 90, something percent of the population has already

an excessive anterior pelvic tilt. This is why sitting in a squat is probably the most natural best position to do. You have gravity working with you. When you sit in a squat, you naturally which will go into a posture your pelvic tilt. By the way, they don't let you do after you've had the epidural. No, of course not.

Because you have no, you have no, your numb. They block that, they go through the spine. They block that, that part of your body. Right. So you, you'll wonder why, you know, there's such a high rate in the C sections. In mind you, there's always exceptions. And there's a high rate of epidural too, because a lot of times women are brought in,

and they're rushed through the process, and if they're not progressing fast enough, then they recommend that you take Potosan. And Potosan is, gets your body to contract. And it's a nice contract. Oh, really hard. Well, this is exactly what we're really, really hard.

And then pain goes through the roof, and you're like, I want the, I want the epidermis. Yeah, I really want it. This is why I have a doula. This is why we hired one because, you know, my mom asked me too, she's like, I don't understand. Now, are you guys going to the hospital? Why would you hire a doula or a midwife?

Does it make sense to me? I said because we have a birthing plan. And I know that when push comes a shove and Katrina's in the middle of this thing, I real quick just become dad and trainer, not doctor. And she's not gonna listen to any of my advice. But rightfully so, I am not a doctor. And so if they're in the heat of the moment

and they're telling her she should do this or she should do that, regardless of what our birthing plan was, she's not gonna listen to me. And I don't wanna get into that. And that's what you just want someone who's experienced that you can trust 100 100% 100% I want somebody which was awesome already because they were they write out the first thing that she asked, like, you know, who's supposed to deliver the baby and ask

you those questions. And these these ladies are already very familiar with all the doctors, what they're known for. You know, what types of tools they like to use, what's their go to position, what are they known for a high rate of C-sections, do they push the epidural, and so they already know going in, these guys' rates or girls' rates on what they do or don't do,

and it's like, okay, see, I'm so glad that I have somebody there that's going to be assist me and being able to help coach Earth, because our goal is, and we're not like, no, we won't, but our goal is to have 100% natural. And I believe that Katrina can. Like, I really believe that she wants to, I think she will. And I think if she has somebody there to support her, that's educated, that's experienced in that area, I think she's going to be just...

Yeah, no, I mean, and of course, if something happens, then you do what you need to do. Exactly. But the whole process is it's treated like a medical emergency from the second you walk in. And that documentary was very illuminating, wasn't it? I wanted to have it at home. I was close to convincing her. But you know, I get it's her first one.

And like, I'm not trying to be like, you know, but I was like, I was down. I said, if we want to do this, then how I'll get you all the support you need. We'll have it right here in our house. Like, let's do it here. And she's like, oh, I don't want to do the first. Yeah, no, I really value Western medicine for its ability

to handle emergencies. If there's an emergency, that's what you want. You want the doctors and you want. You're in a good place there, yeah. They are the best in the world at doing that. But one thing that they do is they view it. It's like a hammer, you know, if you're a hammer, everything's an ale.

And so they view everything in that way. And so woman goes in, she's having contractions, not moving along fast enough here. Let's give you some potosin to get this sped up a little bit. Oh my God, my contractions are so painful. I can't even breathe anymore. No problem, let's do an epidural. Oh no, you can't push the baby out

because your body's numb, because you're not connected to those muscles, because you're laying on your back. You can't use gravity. Okay, now let's go into because you're not connected to those muscles, because you're laying on your back, you can't use gravity. Okay, now let's go into C-section. So it's no wonder that the C-section rates are so high in developed countries, especially in America, and some hospitals, the C-section rate is the majority,

which is just absolutely insane. It's totally, totally crazy. So anyway, dude, I'm I'm tripping over the how viral I think the idea you came up with those gifts Adam was brilliant I don't realize that they would go so viral so fast bro 10 million views already in the first week In one week and we haven't talked about it on the show yet So a lot of people that are listening right now may not even well, I don't know if everybody even knows what a gift is right I don't need what is gift stand for what is the acronym stand for? I don't know. I even knows what a gift is, right? I don't even, what does gift stand for? What does the acronym stand for?

I don't know, I'ma look it up right now. Yeah, image something. Yeah, so this was a blast, man. Really, really cool. I got connected with, so funny story how this all happened. So I used gifts all the time on my Insta story, right? Those are the little, they're the best, right?

For people that are listening, I don't know what that is. It's like when you can take like a, a little image, short, little loopy video of a person, you know, making a laughing or pointing or, and it just goes over and over and over. Yeah, right. It stands for graphics, interchanged format. Right. So it's a graphics interchanged format thing, right? Right. So, so I use this guys, I use this one, and it's this big black guy and he's laughing really loud and it's a hilarious little gift and I use it.

And this dude happens to follow me on Instagram and he's like, hey, that's me, you're really that. And I was like, whoa. Yeah, I was like, whoa. Yeah, like, because I've never met anybody that has a gift before and I didn't know who makes these or how these work. And so he messages me and says, yeah, that's me.

And I'm like, what? I'm like, are you serious? I was like, how did you do this? How did you make one? And he goes, oh, my buddy Andrew, he does this. And he just used me for fun for some of them. And I was like, what could you put me in contact? So he connects me with Andrew.

Now then I reach out to Andrew and say, hey, man, I would love to do something like this. He's like, yeah, no, actually, I just recently started a business. I do this for companies. Let's talk. And we got on the phone. I introduced him into Mind Pump. And like, you know, this is what we do, kind of give him kind of background on the brand. And this was like almost six months ago. And we got busy doing stuff. It wasn't like a high priority for us to make gifts. And so I was just kind of like, six months ago. And we got busy doing stuff. It wasn't like a high priority for us to make gifts. And so I was just kind of like whatever about it.

Well he reaches back to me like maybe like a month or two afterwards and he's like, dude, I would love to do this for you guys. This is freaking, you guys are awesome. He goes, I've started listening to your show after we talked and I've been bench listening to the episodes and fucking love what you're doing. And oh, by the way, I also have a podcast. Can I interview guys? And so we flew him out here last week or the week before last and we recorded a podcast,

which by the way, I thought was an incredible interview. I did. I did. Yeah. Super talented. He's got over, he's done over a hundred and I think 120, 150 episodes he's done on his really, really smart kid, really did a great job on the interview.

So that's up on YouTube if you haven't seen it, and then he shot all these gifts with us, man, and what a fucking blast. Well, the thing about the, the thing about gifts, and one of the reasons why I think they went viral so fast that he informed us on was that on Instagram, it's not that competitive.

Like it's kind of wide open. If you make a good gift, and you was that on Instagram, it's not that competitive. Like it's kind of wide open. If you make a good gif and you put it on Instagram and the window is short, right? At some point there's gonna be so many of them. Yeah. Good luck trying to get yours to get used a lot. But right now, it's kind of a wild west. You go, you make a good gif, you put it on there.

The odds that somebody will find it and then use it and then more people will find it, use it are actually pretty high. Right. So I'm tripping out over the fact that somebody will find it and then use it, and then more people find it, use it, are actually pretty high. So I'm tripping out over the fact that we got a million, no, 10 million views. In a week. In a week. And not announced it on the podcast.

It conveys so much more. You know, I feel then just an image too. And I loved using it by text. I was already using a bunch of gifts already like when somebody would text me or something. I could like, you know, I could throw out a gift there that basically summed it up. Really quickly, it was awesome.

So to do that, just so people know, because I've been, a ton of people have asked me that, you can text with them too, you just gotta download the Giffy app, so GIPHY, I think it's like a black color looking logo or whatever that. But if you want to find ours on Instagram, I mean, there's a lot of tags. Mine pump, just specially, that's it.

Mine pump, no space, and you'll find all of them. Yeah, you'll find all of ours that way. Now they're starting to populate on the actual tags. My favorite one is the one where you're slapping Justin. Oh my God. You slapped me for real. I like it. I like it, yeah.

I like it because it's a nice memory. No, and I've had quite a few of our buddies and friends that run podcasts and have companies and stuff like that. And even individuals, if you're interested, you guys can find them. You guys go to isisahedmedia.com-forslash-gif. And you can apply for these through them. It's Isahed.

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most certainly M. Somebody who has done lots of hotel workouts and you know randomly at a VRBO house that I'm staying I mean, I've definitely done things like that on the go and I know a lot of I've had a lot of clients in fact probably one of the most popular things that I've done for clients is right traveling workouts. Workouts for when they're on them. I've had a lot of business men and women that I've trained in my career and the ones that are serious and consistent always would want something written for them when they're on the road so they could keep up their consistency. And I know that between that and all the dog shit at home programs that we had seen,

we had to come up with something for our audience that we would put the maps programming on. Well, something that I would do because usually the equipment free workouts are just, they're suitable for beginners, but not very suitable for intermediate or advanced. I, or the opposite. Right, right, right, exactly. Like insanity. But there's just terrible workout program. It's basically just beat yourself up.

I love workouts on vacation because it gets me out of my normal routine and it forces me to do different things, which then my body benefits from. So it's harder to do this when I'm at home and I have my garage gym where I go to the gym. It's harder for me to say, okay, for the next week, I'm just going to do body weight exercises or for the next two weeks.

I'm going to do... Right, so you have access to all your toys. Yeah, you know, and you get stuck in your routine or whatever. But when I go on vacation, either there's a hotel gym, which is usually very limited, so there's like just dumbbells, or there's nothing, I still like to, yeah, I still like to work out on my vacation,

I still do my routine. And so what I'll do is I'll use it as an opportunity to try different routines. So what I've done recently is I've taken the workouts from maps anywhere, and I'll do those. And they're shorter. The AMP sessions are can be quite intense. And you do them in their body weight or bands.

There's no weights. And I get, and here's what happens. I'll do those for a couple of weeks. I'll come back to my regular workout and I always notice improvements. And a lot of it is just that it's different. It's new, it's novel. I haven't been doing workouts like that in a long time.

So I love workouts on vacation, it really gets me to change things up. Yeah, I usually try really hard not to plan it out unless it's a longer vacation. And so like if I have like a three or four day vacation, like it's sporadic, it's something that like, I actually end up craving movement, like craving exercising.

I wanna go get something in. And so a lot of times when it's like sporadic or spur of the moment like that, like you need something that you could do like within the house or wherever you're staying. And so that's where like maps anywhere for me has been you know huge because like even the long one I found myself like man,, I'm going to be

laying down the whole time next to this pool. To me, I can only do so much laying down and chilling. It's just like, like, stir crazy. I just found moments where I could go, hit a workout, hit an am session, and then, further in the week because I was there so long, I found an actual gym that had weights I could go get a lift in, but yeah, that's been a huge way for me to use it as supplemental to me just wanting

to get some activity in. Yeah, it really depends on where I am at, like currently in my training routine. Like if I were to take a vacation like this weekend, for sure this is a place where I would utilize like maps anywhere, like a tour, like for example, going out to the beach this weekend, obviously we won't be around some of that, so this would be a great opportunity to use some of that. Sometimes though, I won't train, it just depends on where I'm at in my training routine,

how consistent I've been leading up to that, could my body use a few days of nothing and relaxation? And am I going there to disconnect and just focus on my partner and read a book and lay out by a beach? Or am I in the middle? Like right now I'm in the middle of like ramping up my training again. And so, and I've got really good momentum for the last couple weeks. So here's where, like, I don't want to miss a day. In fact, right now I'm back to like every day I'm in the gym,

I'm doing something, whether it's recovery type work, mobility type stuff, body weight stuff, or strength training type stuff. I'm just trying to get myself back in that really good rhythm. So absolutely, I would not wanna break that. But sometimes too, it all depends on who I'm talking to. Like, we always talk about the importance importance of working on your relationship with exercise. It seems like we're always one extreme or the other.

Very few people have really good balance. Most people are either workout, they work out, and they're addicted to it, and they can't take a day or two off. Those people could probably just use two days off and just enjoy your vacation and not worry about it. Then there's other people that really struggle with consistency, and those people could probably just use two days off and just enjoy your vacation and not worry about it. And then there's other people that really struggle with consistency and those people I really push in the direction of don't use vacations, yeah, plan it and you know, and that's where something like.

Don't lose the momentum. No, how do you feel about like they're also asking about like if they're in the middle of this program that they're doing and then they take a break of a week or so and then come back. This is such a common question that I get. I just answered it in my DM yesterday. Adam, I just fell off for two weeks. I was in the middle of phase two. Should I start the phase over or should I start the whole program over? And really the answer is neither one of them is wrong. Yeah. Like I could go either way. Yeah. neither one of them is going to be bad or detrimental and the difference of which one would technically be better.

We're probably splitting hairs, wouldn't you say? I would agree. I think it depends on the person. Whatever you go back to, just do your first few workouts. If you took time off, if you didn't do any workouts, I'd say go back to, if you go back to what you were doing before or if you start over with the workout in the first phase, all over again, the first workout out too, just lower the intensity a little bit, just get your body kind of used to it. But, you know, here's the thing, if you're on vacation and you're staying

active in doing workouts, then you can definitely pick up right where you left off. That's what I just did. So I was just on vacation. I wasn't doing my traditional workout. Sometimes it supercharges it. It did for me. I came right back to my work, because I was active. I was active on my vacation. I did do my, you know, my bodyweight type movements and my maps anywhere type workouts. And I just jump right back into my routine and I actually felt like I might have gotten a little bit stronger because of the change. Now, if you're completely off, if you're, you know, one or week or two weeks on vacation

and you're not doing any exercise whatsoever, whatever you decide to come back to, whether you start the whole workout over or you jump back to the workouts you were doing when you left, my suggestion is to do the first two or three workouts with a lower intensity. Because what you may experience is just increased soreness. If you jump right back in after being an active for a week or two,

you'll be just as strong as you were. You're probably not gonna be weaker. Sometimes you might even be stronger, but you're gonna get sore as fuck. So can I think along those lines Thought like for me. I would think if you were in active that whole week I would probably start back again to that phase Versus if I was active that whole week. I would probably try to see how I felt progressing So let me share something that I'm doing and this may not work for everybody

But this is something that I like to do I have not been that real consistent and training hard for quite some time. It's been more sporadic. It's been more the two to three times a week, and I've had lots of breaks in between on some of this stuff. And just like I said, I've been trying to get really consistent. So what my last couple of weeks have looked like, I've actually, what I do that works really well for me when I get back into that is I'm following

like a MAP Santa Balla routine right now, but split in half. So I actually, we'll go to the gym six days out of the week, but I'll do like half of foundational work on one day and then the other half of it on the other day. And then as I, after about two weeks, I'll start to put it all together in a single workout.

It just, it seems to work really with them, the amount of volume, because for someone who hasn't been training consistently for a while, even a MAP Santa Ballock workout, which is probably one of our lowest volume workouts, it can be quite a bit of a workout. I mean, that's a full body routine

and doing just legs or a big muscle like back or chest could get you pretty gassed. And so what I'll do is I'll do legs and two other muscle groups on one day and then I'll do chest or back and two or three other muscle groups on the next day and kind of split it like that. So I still follow the routine.

I just now spread it out over six days. And so my body started to get adapted and acclimated to that. And then I started to combine it all together and then ramp up the scale. But I really want to stress this, there's a lot of value in interrupting your normal programming with a couple of weeks of something totally different. And it can be switching to just body weight stuff,

it can be moving over to kettlebell type stuff, or changing to a completely different style. And then just go back to what you were doing before, and then watch what happens, watch how awesome your body responds. Next question is from Andrew Lemberg. What are your thoughts on posture, correcting, or coaching devices?

I've been seeing more and more ads for different types recently. So there's so mostly shit. Yeah, generally speaking, they're garbage, but there's two categories of posture, correcting devices. One category for sure is garbage. That's the category of devices that puts you, they force you into good posture. So man, bra. Yeah, so you might have seen exactly. So there's one that goes around your shoulders and it ties behind your back and then you cinch it up

and it pulls your shoulders back. So now you can stand totally relaxed but it's gonna hold you in really good posture. Like those are terrible because they're actually making the situation worse. They're putting you in a position, you are relying on the device to be, to hold you in that position, meaning none of the muscles

that hold you in that position are now being active. So you're just gonna make yourself even weaker and make that position even harder to attain without the device. You actually start to rely on the device, and then you'll need the device at some point to where if you take it off, you'll actually hurt. You'll see this with workers who wear these weight belts.

They look like weight belts, but they kind of go around their waist. You see my home deep belt too all the time, right? They wear those things around to protect their back. Then they get to the point where the back just hurts if they don't have one on. So that category of posture correcting devices, terrible. They don't correct a posture. And you will see. They're terrible.

The other category are these new devices that I've seen one where you place it in your mid back. Yeah, and then like electronic device that you stick in between your rhomboy. Yeah, and it like beep or buzz. If you stop cues you somehow. Yeah, if you stop standing with good posture. And so it's constantly reminding you

to activate those muscles and stand up tall. Now those are better, but here's why those can also be crappy. If you just can't activate those muscles because you've got poor recruitment patterns, that thing can buzz till the cows come home. All it's gonna do is reinforce poor posture because you're gonna try and activate, and here's what's gonna end up happening.

In the case of- Elivate your shoulder, it's just shrug, and you know where you're supposed to go. My neck hurts now, or you're overworking it in a bad way and you're developing inflammation. Correctional exercises, if you wanna correct your posture, proper, you have to do exercise but it has to be done properly.

If you do it properly and you do it frequently, you'll fix your posture. If you don't do it that way, it ain't gonna happen. It's just gonna happen. I would have to see the coaching devices because there is a lot of things out there and that's such a broad statement. You know, coaching devices could be almost a lot. I used a lot of tools to give feedback for people, right? So I think that there's value when you're coaching somebody and you're trying to get them to feel something

and understand, for example, like a yoga block could be used as a coaching device or tool when helping somebody in a 90, 90 and hip mobility. Right, so I could have somebody in 90, 90, I take this block and I put their leg up on that, so I'm helping them insisting them with the internal rotation of their hip. But then what I'm using that tool to get them to try and engage and lift it from them so they can

feel what they should feel like in that position. They're just so it's so foreign to them because they've never rotated that far or they haven't rotate that far in many, many years. And I'm trying to help get them reconnected. And so I wouldn't rely on that tool for them to always have it. I'm just trying to use that as feedback if that makes sense. So depending on what we're talking about as far as devices, that's what other anything that you wear, though, to fix a posture issue, all bad. I mean, that's just like the doctor shows and the shoes thing. Same thing, like those are, I mean, and I know there's a whole industry around inserts and doing that to help people out, and that stuff is terrible because if your feet are

pronating and you know it, which a lot of people do, and you put an insult on there and, oh man, it feels so much better. No more back pain, no more hip pain. Right, no more hip and back pain. Oh my God, these things are a miracle. Like, no, like all you did was you just put a crutch on it as all you didn't fix the root cause and what we need to do because you can fix that root cause.

I understand that there's something that is deformed on you that doesn't allow you. If you legit have a shorter leg. Yes, right. Total different story. Like if you have it a deformity like that, but most people, that's not the case. Most people have got issues with connection to their feet

or lack of ankle mobility, and then they have these excessively pronating feet that then causes knee and hip and back pain, and then they put these insoles in to help straighten it out and they feel better. It's like, no, you're just crutching the issue. You're not solving the root cause. Here's the thing you want to consider with posture.

There are certain things that you do on a daily basis that you want to be unconscious or automatic. Okay, breathing is one of them. Imagine if you had to constantly think about breathing all day long. You wouldn't be able to do anything else because you do it all day. Walking is another one.

If you had to sit there and think about putting one step in front of the other, that would be extremely stressful. Posture is another one. Good posture should be automatic. So if someone says, oh, my trainer says to work on my posture, so I gotta constantly think about fixing my posture. That's not gonna help. Because you're not gonna sit there

and think about your posture all day long every day. What you wanna do is you wanna strengthen your body so that good posture is natural. So that just standing regular, you have good posture. And so if a device can help you do that, then it's a good device. If it doesn't do that, then it's a bad device. I don't know.

Yeah, I see like very minimal value in it, but I do see some value. I see some value if you attach a good coach that actually has an assessment with you that shows you your proper position, your proper posture where you know, okay, this is where I need to come back to. And so if I had a device that just kind of prompted me

and I know to get my body in position there, but I wouldn't use it only for that assessment. It's just like, okay, now I have to learn that process and I have to continually put it upon myself to recognize like this happens. And so I just need to adjust myself back. And I look at, you bring up the example of breathing. For me, it was game-changing when I figured out like being in an ice bath, how to not tense up and how to breathe my way through it

and relax and just the mechanisms involved with that was huge, but after that, it's like, okay, now I know how to do it. If I'm under like extreme stress, how to calm and breathe my way through it. So there's just like parts of that where I do see where it becomes on a mountain. Learning it, yeah, you want it to become automatic

by putting the work in. You don't want to do it by having a device like poking you. Right, right, just like when you first learned how to walk, you had to think about every step you take now. When you walk, you just do it automatically. Next question is from S Miller Fit. What specific considerations or exercises are there for training those with herniated discs?

It's a good question and it's I feel this is crazy that I don't know if we've ever had to answer this. No, it was a common thing that I just had that recently. This is people asking me this question. Yeah, and I don't know if this has ever been asked on a quaw and it has to be up there with the top five things that I had had to deal with as a trainer. I remember the first time was scared. I didn't know what to do freaked out, and like, oh God, I can't do anything, try to avoid stuff. Yeah. But you come to realize really quick that the dot, and this is, I think this was probably

the beginning of my career when I really started to like question a lot of what my doctors were telling my clients, because the typical advice from the doctor when something like this, like you have a hernia disease is. Don't move, don't swap, right? Yes, don't work out, don't lift weights, don't potential for surgery and all these like crazy, like in basis, things were in your future. Would scare all these clients,

and scare me as a trainer, I'd be like, well your doctor said you can't work out anymore, you can't do this anymore, I'm like, oh shit. And that sent me down the rabbit hole of really trying to research and figure out what exactly does it mean when someone has a herniated disc? Nothing will cause your body to deteriorate faster than you reducing or eliminating activity.

So however much pain you're in now, or whatever your issue is now, whether it's the result of an acute injury or some chronic pain, not moving will make your body deteriorate faster. Now in the short term, you may notice, oh, my back doesn't hurt because I stopped using it, but what's gonna happen over time is that your back's gonna get very, very, very weak, and you're gonna be, you're gonna lose all the movement that you did have when you were moving. So not a good advice, sometimes it's given to people where they say don't exercise.

You should exercise, you should just do it right. That's the important thing. If you exercise right, oftentimes you'll find pain alleviation and at the very, very least, you'll minimize or slow down or stop the deterioration of your movement and or your joints and your disc. Now, I trained, I've trained lots and lots of doctors and surgeons, my wellness studio

and it used to be next to the hospital. And I remember talking to one of them about herniated disc and he said, Sally goes, to be quite honest with you, if we imaged the next 10 people that walked by your studio, everybody would have somewhat of a hurry-aid disc or look pretty damn the same. He said a lot of them, a good chunk of them,

we'd be able to find something on that image that shows some kind of a herniation or whatever. I remember what I learned. And he says, and a lot of them would be asymptomatic that have no pain whatsoever. And oftentimes we do imaging on people who have lots of pain and we can't seem to find what the issue is. Now here's a deal, a herniated disc,

you have a lot of joints in your spine and the herniation can happen 360 degrees. So a lot of it depends on the person that I'm working with. So I can't be super specific with my answer, but what I can say is this, if your spine is supported with balanced strength and mobility, the odds that you'll have pain are far, far lower. So if you look at the spine, if you take the spine

at a someone's body and you try to stand it up on a table, it'll just fold over. It doesn't align itself on its own. What keeps it aligned are all the muscles that surround the spine and support it. So it only makes sense that if you have a herniated disc that if you do it appropriately, it's got to be done properly. Okay, so make sure, especially if you have a herniated disc that you work with a professional. But if you do it properly, strengthening the

muscles that surround and support the spine are going to make further injury far less likely. And oftentimes, in my experience, most times, reduce the pain. It'll reduce the pain because whatever caused the herniation, you can correct with exercise by working on all those. Tremendically, do you? Yeah. I mean, because most people, I mean, including myself, okay? We're all sitting in chairs right now,

and I'll tell you right now, I'm resting on my poor posture and my core isn't activated. And the way it's like, it's made up of 28 different internal muscles that work like a vacuum around the spine. And I use, this would just be one of my favorite things to teach people and get them to understand the importance of training the core, especially for somebody like this, because those internal muscles wrap around

and tighten up like a vacuum around the spine to help hold it and stack it the way it should be. But unfortunately, one, we don't, many people don't even know how to activate it, much less know how to train it and strengthen it. And then on top of that, 99% of us all have postural deviations anyways. And so we're already hunched over and we're putting stress in that area. If you knew how to activate your core and you had a strong one and then you could hold

that spine up in a neutral spinal alignment, then it takes off a ton of the pressure that's on that herniated disc. So the idea, and then if you learn to do that well, you'd be surprised. And again, one, I have to say this, I'm not a doctor, I'm not prescribing this, I'm not saying it's okay, always check with your doctor first. But I'll tell you, many of my clients that had herniated disc, we still deadlifted, we still squatted, we still lunge, we still did a lot of these movements.

I just had to make sure that they were very strong and supported and understood the bracing mechanism was on track. 100%. And that's the biggest thing I've found is really getting back to that and diving back down to the root of the recruitment patterns and where the deficiency really lied that was causing parts of the problem that led to that. So between the hips and going through like the mobility and reactivation of certain muscles

that your body's already pruned off certain things that are normally there to support everything. Like you have to reconnect all the support system. Now, generally speaking, acute injuries require rest and, you know, non-movement. And acute injury is, you know, hey, I hurt my back. How did you hurt your back? Yesterday, I fell and I twisted it or I landed on something or I pulled a muscle or whatever. That's an acute injury.

And yes, acute injuries, you probably should rest it, let it recover, let it heal. Now the chronic type of pain, which is most pain, most people hurt from chronic pain, not from an acute injury. Including something like a herniated dip. Right, so you asked somebody, oh, I have back pain, okay, well what happened? Oh, well, 10 years ago, I hurt my back

and I never was the same. Okay, it's no longer an acute injury. Whatever you hurt 10 years ago healed, now what you've developed are poor recruitment patterns, poor movement patterns, and that's causing your issues. That's the chronic pain that most people have. And chronic pain oftentimes, you can have a very positive impact

through the proper application, emphasis on proper. Proper application of exercise, including mobility and flexibility work. When you apply those things, if you're somebody that has pain, it's chronic, do you want to have to treat that pain for the rest of your life? Or would you like to figure out the root of it and solve it? Well, exercise properly applied in flexibility movements and mobility movements properly applied to you for your individual issue in your body.

That is the path to solving the root. That is the only path to solving the root. There is no other path. Everything else is either treating the symptom or not moving for fear of causing more pain in which case you'll cause your muscles to become weaker and weaker and weaker over time to the point where you'll get to the point where you can't do anything anymore. So I'm glad you brought that up about the doctors recommendations that are frustrating.

Next question is from Dezac. In an episode of the Freakonomics podcast called The Zero Minute Workout, there are arguments for and against the development of an exercise pill. While you have argued that real exercise is the best, studies show the majority of people will not exercise no matter how much you educate them. In this case, do you agree that an exercise pill is valuable to society and health? No. No. Yeah. It would only make things worse. Well, I, here's, here's so I can see both sides. The exercise pill, I'm assuming that the exercise pill is, you take it and then it like causes,

it's like your body thinks it's worked without. It doesn't make you want to go exercise. No, not that, right? That's what it means. No, it's not cocaine. No, it's, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't walk. Yeah. I had to, I had to clarify that because actually, if there was a pill that actually motivated you to go exercise and work out, I would be pro that, but I'm not pro. A pill that's- StarbucksVenti. Yeah, yeah.

Not pro a pill that's supposed to replace. And you know what, you've said this out before that, and this was probably something that this came later in my fitness journey. Did I really piece together these two things? And one of those is that the quality of life that you get from exercise, it's not just about looking a certain way.

It's how I just actually had somebody really cool story of my host up in Reno. He was in the worst shape of his life last year. I got up to 235 pounds. He's a couple years younger than we are. And he reached out to me, he goes, Adam, he goes, dude, I woke up and I just feel like I'm in the worship of my life. I need to do something about it. What should I do?

So I kind of went back and forth a little bit. I got him set up on Maps and Obolic and gave him a couple of books to read and to go take some tests and see where he's at as far as blood and hormones and all these things. Because he's now, you know, just getting to that point where I think it's a good place to check all this stuff. Long story short, he texted me yesterday,

literally that he's 8.5% body fat. Wow. Yeah, he's like best, yeah, best shape of his life. And one of the things that I said to him was, you know, what I liked to tell, after I got to tell him like how amazing that is and like, wow, I'm so proud of you, that so rad and we kind of celebrated together.

I said, hey, something I always tell clients when they're in this, when they get to this place, when they can say, I'm in the best shape of my life, is it's easy to accept all the compliments, and to look at yourself in the mirror, and like, fuck, I look great, and so that. But really right now, do your best to actually make connections to all the other

things that most people don't think about. Pay attention to your stool, pay attention to your mood, pay attention to your relations, pay attention to your work, how motivated you are at your skin, your hair, all these other things I guarantee are at some of your peak in your life right now because that's how much this, the habit and the routine of exercise impacts and bleeds over to other aspects of your life. And you just said that the routine, the discipline, everybody wants the information and the knowledge, but nobody understands the value in the pursuit of the knowledge and the information, which

is how you develop wisdom. Wisdom is not the same as knowledge. Everybody in this room right now has all the knowledge that they could ever want because now we have cell phones that connect to the internet, but that doesn't make us any wiser, it just gives us access to information. An exercise pill will definitely make people physically healthier. Sure. If you could take a pill that made you lose weight, improve your health markers, build some

muscle, now you're strong or all that stuff. They'll value it. Well, they'll do it, but it'll create other problems. It'll create other issues because people have didn't learn, it'll be like giving everybody a lot of money. You've solved money issues for a lot of those people, but you haven't solved a lot of the other issues that would only come from learning how to further in excess knowing that they have this

to kind of bank on, that this can get me right back into shape. And yeah, it goes back to that old philosophical, it's struggle. It's the struggle that creates the purpose. We need to implement struggle for a reason. And there's a reason why, physically we need to put certain demands on our body. It has to teach our body certain things. How

everything needs to interact with it, how to overcome adversity, how to do all these things, it translates to so many other aspects of your life. Think about it this way. When you look at the average American who's, I don't know, 30, 40 pounds overweight, considered overweight or borderline obese, what you're looking at is a person who, they are that way with natural borders and boundaries that come from food. So although you may look at them and say,

you don't really care about your health, believe it or not, that person is still dealing with some of the consequences of eating poorly and whatever. Now, if you take all those away, like if that person's just shredded no matter what, you wanna see what the excesses of human behavior can look like, watch out, and this is what I mean by, we'll solve some problems,

but we're gonna create a lot of other ones. I would love to, and now it makes me wanna go listen to this episode, because I'd like to hear how you would argue the positive side of this. Well, the positive is gonna be, oh, less diabetes, less obesity, what people are gonna be healthier, which is true.

Well, do you believe that? Or would I, I'm in the camp of what Justin said, which is if we gave them something that did that, that would automatically, you know, make them get in better shape, they would just eat in more excess. She'd hear habits. Oh, yeah.

They would just push the limits, especially with how hyper palatable all these foods are. It would just be that much easier. Like right now, even somebody who I think is a hundred pounds overweight and has really poor eating habits and poor exercise habits, I still think they somewhat have a conscious and go, you know, I probably shouldn't finish that whole bag of Oreos. I'll just do 30 of them, you know what I'm saying? And they, and they stop there.

But if you had a pill that goes, oh my God, this cancels out at some, I'm gonna still go. So I don't believe that it would do anything. No, you take away statistically. When you take away the consequences of behaviors, without the person learning how to modify their behaviors, you're going to create psychopaths, a perfect storm for insane type of behaviors. Like, look at it this way. If we could all humans could plug their brains into the internet

and enter into a world where there's no consequences, you have any idea what people would fucking do. It would be crazy. And so we have to, these consequences are kind of what guide us a little bit. And for good or for bad, they help guide us. If you give people an exercise pill, sure, you lose weight, you know, you don't have a risk for diabetes anymore, all that stuff happens.

But all the other benefits that you get from the process, the wisdom that you gain from modifying your behaviors, taking care of yourself, loving yourself, valuing food for things other than the just taste good, the discipline that it requires to go and move and exercise, and you structure your day around it, and the way you can handle the pain of the lifting weights or training or whatever, all that stuff is gone. Now you just have a bunch of lottery winners. That's what you literally have.

Imagine if you took a bunch of people who just were constantly broke and never responsible and they have all these bill problems, you're like, you know what, I'm gonna solve your bill problems by giving you tons of money. And to that point, what happens all of it? They all end up broke anyways. They do. Or depressed.

And that's why I feel like I would argue that statistically speaking, it still wouldn't make an impact. Maybe initially when the first wave came out, you'd be like, oh wow, obesity is down by 10%. Oh, this is debt. You have five 10 years. Right, give it a couple of years and that we would just push those boundaries again.

So it could because the behaviors, because the part that really matters, and that's what I meant too about, that's learning to look how those new behaviors and the things that the lessons that you learned on your journey to 8.5% body fat, what else did it carry over into other aspects of your life and make that connection?

Now here's the truth. The truth is that if science can come up with this, it will. And do I think that they shouldn't? No, I think that they should. If they can, I think they should develop this pill because I do think used properly, this could really benefit and help a lot of people.

But I also know when it comes to health and fitness, I know human behavior. And I do know that if this pill gets invented and it really is exercise in a pill, we are going to encounter brand new problems like we've never encountered before. And we're just going to either have to evolve past those new problems or we're going to cause ourselves to crash and burn. It's kind of really, this is really an example of just kind of what's been happening with modern societies anyway.

I mean, look at all friends. I don't know if I'd want my body to feel like it's exercising and not be exercising. Exercise doesn't feel great, all right. No, I don't think you feel it. I mean, I don't want to be sitting here podcasting and be like, oh, I feel like I'm in the middle of a set. No, nobody would take that pill, are you kidding me?

No, I think the way it's going to be is you're just going to take it and then you just be like, oh cool god, I feel like I'm in the middle of a set. No, nobody would take that pill, are you kidding me? No, I think the way it's going to be is you're just going to take it and then you'll just be like, oh cool, I'm becoming more fit. Oh, I'm getting more shape. I'm getting leaner, whatever, just by taking it. I mean, there's got to be something chemically happening on inside. There's got to be something. Yeah, and that's the other thing too, like how much do they really understand? Yeah, what will the side effects of this pill be?

Are you training muscle recruitment patterns or are they just getting stronger in the way that they're already being activated which would be terrible. Turn a pill? Like I don't get it. What is this? Medicorians in there? What's going on?

Yeah, like imagine if you had like, if you took the average person with poor posture, poor movement patterns, poor whatever, and you just snapped your fingers so they could gain 20 pounds of muscle and strength, but it's, but it was their normal patterns. It would be, people would, it would be worse. They would hurt themselves. Okay, now, now that's out of the bag who's to stop them from taking a good gillian of them

and getting like the Hulk. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool. That's gonna happen. Anyway, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all absolutely free. You can also find us all on Instagram. You can find Justin at MindPump Justin. You can find Adam at MindPump Adam and you can find me at

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