Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1074: The Truth About Testosterone Boosters, How to Maximize Load on Muscles While Minimizing Stress on Joints, the Next Big Health Fad & MORE

Episode Date: July 13, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how put maximum load on the muscles and minimum... load on the joints when exercising, the difference between mobility and priming movements, the benefits of the Turkish Get-Up, and the next big health fad. Mind Pump recommends The Jordan Harbinger Show podcast episode 222 with Matt McCarthy. (4:10) Sal’s ‘cold-busting’ formula to keep you from getting sick. (6:43) How have Adam’s dogs adjusted to baby Maximus? (11:07) Scientists: We'll grow babies in artificial wombs “In a decade.” Why this highlights human's arrogance. (19:38) Why there is so much stuff we just don’t know. Skeleton plundered from a Mexican cave was one of the Americas’ oldest. (27:40) Mind Pump recommends Rocketman: The epic story of Elton John. (31:36) Study links daily sips of soda or juice to cancer risk. How context matters in the grand scheme of health. (35:38) Are testosterone-boosting supplements effective? Not likely, according to new research. (40:40) #Quah question #1 – How do you put maximum load on the muscles and minimum load on the joints when exercising? Resistance training for example. (46:02) #Quah question #2 - Mobility and priming movements seem pretty similar. What are the differences between them if any? (56:05) #Quah question #3 – What are the benefits of the Turkish Get-Up and where can they be plugged into a program? (1:04:33) #Quah question #4 – What is the next big health fad that you predict? (1:14:57) People Mentioned Jordan Harbinger (@jordanharbinger)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned July Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!! **Code “ANYWHERE50” at checkout** The Jordan Harbinger Show 222: Matt McCarthy | The Race to Stop a Superbug Epidemic Visit Organifi for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Breaking the Pit Bull Stigma: A History of the "Nanny Dog" | PetHelpful Scientists: We’ll Grow Babies in Artificial Wombs “In a Decade” One of the oldest skeletons ever seen in the Americas was found in a flooded cave — and it could reshape our understanding of human history Rocketman (2019) - Rotten Tomatoes A small glass of juice or soda a day is linked to increased risk of cancer, study finds ‘Testosterone Boosting’ Supplements Composition and Claims Are not Supported by the Academic Literature MAPS Fitness Prime | Muscle Adaptation Programming System How To Do A Turkish Get-Up – Mind Pump TV 3 Turkish Get-Up Variations - Tutorial with Kettlebell Master of Sport Mind Pump Free Resources

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Implemented elderberry zinc lozenges, and I started using Organifies immunity powder. And guess what, I don't have a cold. We are sponsored by Organify. So if you go to organify.com-sash-mind-pump and use the code MindPump, you'll get 20% off all of their products. Adam then gives us a rundown on how his dogs
Starting point is 00:01:12 are reacting to new baby maximus in the house. Looks like they've all become great friends. They're best buds. I talked about an article on artificial wombs apparently in the next 10 years, we're gonna be making babies outside of the womb. I'm pretty sure this is a R.O.E. doing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a few sci-fi movies
Starting point is 00:01:29 that talked about the dangers of that, but whatever, let's ignore that. Warning. Justin talked about the 13,000 year old skeleton that was found in Mexico and how it talked about different species of humans. That's kind of cool. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:01:42 I talked about the movie Rocket Man, excellent movie, highly, highly recommend. There was a study on juice and soda, apparently drinking a glass of juice or a glass of soda every day according to this particular study resulted in an increased risk of cancer. So you won't want to miss that. It's bad for you. Then I talked about testosterone boosters and how researchers went through the top 50 testosterone boosters and found out, through the top 50 testosterone boosters
Starting point is 00:02:05 and found out, guess what, they're all bullshit. And then we get into the fitness portion of this episode, the first fitness question, how do you put maximal load on your muscles and put minimal load on your joints? So how do you work out hard but also save your joints from pain, wear, and tear. The next question, this person wants to know the difference between mobility and priming movements. Are they different? And if so, examples.
Starting point is 00:02:33 So we talk all about that in that part of this episode. The next question, what are the benefits of the Turkish get up? There's a lot of people out there that say the Turkish get up is a waste of time. And there's other people who say it's one of the greatest exercises ever invented. We give our input on the Turkish get up in that part of this episode. And the final question, this person wants to know what we think the next big health fad is going to be now. We've been prophets in the past and have predicted things in the past. See if we're accurate again. Listen, and then let's wait and see if it stands to test the time.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Hashtag, Salser Domo. That's it. Also, this month, maps anywhere, our fitness program that requires no equipment, no gym, all you need is your body and some resistance bands. That program is 50% off. Now, we designed the program to be extremely effective. So we didn't think to ourselves,
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Starting point is 00:04:19 and I learn quite a bit from a show every time I listen. And he's here with me right now. Jordan, the episode you just did with Dr. Matt McCarthy blew my mind. Yeah, this guy is an infectious disease specialist. And it's funny, because we were supposed to originally do the episode at UCLA where he was lecturing, but we couldn't go there because there's a measles outbreak.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Oh, I was like the irony of this, because my wife's pregnant, so she couldn't go near it, and she was doing the videography. But this is really fascinating in this guy, because he discusses the overuse of antibiotics, which probably isn't news to people who listen to mind pump. But since we're using antibiotics for everything, like even in hand soap,
Starting point is 00:04:59 we're creating these really resistant strains of bacteria that not only can kill people who have immune compromised systems or compromised immune systems, they can kill healthy people. And like if you get this, basically you have to take this other drug that annihilates your kidneys in your liver in order to get rid of this infection. And it's just getting worse and worse and worse.
Starting point is 00:05:18 And he talks about how we're developing drugs at a glacial pace to combat this because there's no profit in developing new antibiotics. Wow, that was that part scared to hell out of me, but it didn't scare me as much as the part where he talked about how, because of the changing climate,
Starting point is 00:05:35 we're thawing out like permafrost, or whatnot, and we're getting like new diseases pop up, we haven't seen for thousands of years. Exactly, so like there's a case of anthrax that happened totally naturally in I think Northern Russia or Siberia because reindeer that I guess are immune to anthrax and are just riddled with this are thawing out and they've been dead
Starting point is 00:05:55 for you know I don't know 300 years or 200 year. However long I don't think since an ice age but they've been frozen for a long-ass time. And I said okay wait a minute. So if there's stuff like that that's frozen in Northern Russia where there's actually people, what's in the bottom of caves, what's in the North Pole glaciers?
Starting point is 00:06:12 And he's like, they're definitely can be stuff. He's like, I don't wanna alarm you, but there's a lot of bacteria we've never seen before that we have no natural resistance to, because humans maybe didn't even exist when this was like colonizing and is now, you know, four million years under.
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm not trying to get the dinosaur flu, so I don't know about you. Anyway, once that. Anyway, that episode was awesome. It's episode 222, Dr. Matt McCarthy. You gotta go check this out. It's a Jordan Harbanger podcast. Hey, so I got an interesting anecdote for you guys.
Starting point is 00:06:43 I'm sad. So this never happens. So I don't know what's going on here, but so as you know, Adam, Jessica hasn't been able to come see the baby because she's got a terrible cold, which she never, ever has. This must be like tearing her apart. It's so much she wants to go see. She's so upset about it, but anyway, she never gets a cold. She's not that she doesn't get sick often at all
Starting point is 00:07:07 She's like an immune system of a horse I'm the one that'll get like if there's a cold anywhere in the vicinity Yeah, I get it and then it hits me bad and then you can hear my voice change everything people I'm sure people have heard episodes where my voice is all weird because I caught the cold anyway She has a terrible cold as soon as she started talking about it, I went into action and started using all the immune boosting stuff that I knew, right? So I did my elderberry zinc lozenges
Starting point is 00:07:34 and I did the organifi immunity powder. Now I do the elderberry always, if I feel like I'm gonna get sick, and I know it does help. That's actually one of the only things proven to help and it reduces the brain. What are the greatest hacks you ever gave me? Yeah, yeah definitely But this time I threw in the organify immunity and so normally what'll happen is if someone's sick around me especially Jessica because I still kisser and stuff so whatever
Starting point is 00:07:59 Normally what'll happen is I'll still get the cold, but it'll just be milder, and it'll linger a little bit, but I'm not gonna get the terrible, you know, part of the cold. You know what happened this time? Nothing. I got nothing. At all. You truly are one of the greatest closers.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Did you see what he just did right there Justin? What did he do? He just justified his fucking weird ass voice and through a commercial and the same fucking time right there. You see that? Did you see what he just did right there? That's why I didn't trust him initially. I mean, I just played like I said like I'm talking through my nose all the time.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Oh my god, I'm gonna throw a commercial for our gratifying that. That was gold. That was gold. It is a pleasure to work with you. Thank you. It's an absolute pleasure to work with you. It is it's absolutely it's an absolute pleasure You know if I ever feel the sensation like I'm getting a cold like yes, that's that's what I'm doing God damn listen to me listen Linda. This is my normal voice. You're saying that my normal voice
Starting point is 00:08:57 I'm gonna tell you guys this I can't let it tell my So yes listen so I heard my Listen Linda. Okay, so it's gonna be a feeling. So we shared we shared the first time with the storm when you guys came to the hospital and you saw max for the first time It was Sal got his first real cry out, right? So that was really funny, right? We made it it was a great laugh and shit This is fucking true stories where to gotten yesterday so the episode goes live of me talking about the birth and Katrina and Cassie, my sister at my house, and they see it and they hear about it and they're like, oh, put
Starting point is 00:09:34 it on. I want to hear it. And so we put it on the TV. And I'm laying there and actually Max and Mrs. Skin to Skin and Sleeping on my chest, right? It's like my favorite thing right now. And I'm in the living room. We throw it up on the TV
Starting point is 00:09:46 and we start it. And I kid you not, okay? From a cold dead sleep, he fucking wakes up crying when South's voice comes on in the intro. And then it gets better. So he's crying and I'm soothing him and like, it's okay, it's okay. The South's gonna stop talking real soon.
Starting point is 00:10:03 You're too late. And then I don't lie to your camera. I was the one. Because it's okay the sounds gonna stop talking real soon you're doing it. Don't lie to your camera. Because you know I'm not gonna stop. And then I come on and start telling the story and swear to God it comes right down and it goes right back to sleep. It was a funnier thing. No it is true.
Starting point is 00:10:17 You do tend to put people to sleep. Wow. On the podcast. I like it. I just want that. That's good. Damn it. Damn it. I do have a piercing voice. I've only you spun that. That's good. Damn it. Damn it. I do have a piercing voice.
Starting point is 00:10:26 What do you have to do about it? I've only been told that five trillion times by everybody. Yeah, the irony is like every kid in America loves you. Yeah, I'm gonna see about that. That's weird. I'm gonna win them over. Weird.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I'll use candy. Weird that, like Adam goes, I'm gonna go fuck. I'm a briber. I'll, you just definitely my boy. Yeah, when I, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Yeah. When I see your kid, I'm gonna be a little lollipop Start the yeah start the training. Oh, I'm not looking forward to what those days start happening Well, when people start bringing them can. Yeah, it's when family starts to look at his face when you give my scream Like no half on that dude look at yeah, look at your face. What I do to it after you do that That's so funny how are the dogs with them? You know what? I do do it after you do that. That's so cool. That's so cool. That's so fun. How are the dogs with them? You know what? I didn't even ask you about this. Yeah, I was really nervous about that
Starting point is 00:11:12 because, and I know bulldogs are great with kids. They're, the breed is known to be incredible with children, but my boys are like, they're, and I tell you guys all the time about how they fucking fight like crazy and they're extremely meaty and they've been our children. So Katrina and I as children for the last seven or eight years. So you're worried they're gonna be jealous? Yeah, so I was more worried about that.
Starting point is 00:11:36 When I first walked in the door, I mean, they were like all over me and wanting to smell him aggressively and I had to kind of get him to calm down. After the first 24 hours and actually hearing him cry, which is that was kind of cool when he first started crying was when the boys really changed their demeanor changed. It went from being like this like doll looking thing that I was holding that almost like a toy and they were like aggressively trying to get to it and see what's going on to when he started crying and seeing Katrina kind of like hold him and sue them, then they were like real docile. Then they came up and they were like really careful. They're realized. Yeah, they, yeah, it was pretty trippy. So, and I did a little video clip of, I have one on this, I forget what they're called, I think it's
Starting point is 00:12:20 called a docking thing or whatever. it's from Taylor and Rachel bought it for a lot of those. It's not what you're thinking. It's like a portable little mini bed for them. He has, you know, it's got bumpers all the way around, right, so it doesn't roll off your couch or something like that. Really cool little gift.
Starting point is 00:12:38 In any way, and he's been using it a lot. So I have him on the couch sleeping next to me and he's making his cute little sounds, you know, when there's some baby sounds when they're like sleeping Yeah, it's all a little grunts. Yeah, and and Bentley hears it because Bentley is laying on the ground And he kind of gets up and he walks over and he gets up and he puts his paws up in the couch and like gets his face like Ride into his face, but he's being really gentle and Bentley is normally really aggressive like You know if you if you lean down and you ask for kisses from Bentley,
Starting point is 00:13:08 he like opens his mouth and like slams his teeth into your face. It's like, and look, people think he's going to bite you. He loves hard. Yeah, he's just a, is there a big aggressive dog? And he's the Justin of dogs. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:13:20 That's, yeah, they definitely have very similar tastes. Yeah, I'm coming in. But he, uh, he's already changed the baby. Once he started hearing the baby cry and make these little noises, now he gets up there and he's like, real careful when he's close. Now when you're watching this,
Starting point is 00:13:37 because dogs sense energy also, I would feel conflicted because part of me would see the dog come up and you'd be like, on guard, like, what if he does something? But you don't want your dog to feel that. You're watching, like, real closely. Yeah, because you don't want your dog to feel that energy because it could make him anxious.
Starting point is 00:13:51 So I know that, and that's, and I know that I'm really comfortable around infants and dogs, and so I've been the one to do that. I didn't want Katrina to, because she can get little anxious. She was anxious with the dog. She's still to this day, gets anxious when the dog start fighting, and I always am trying to this day, gets anxious when the dog start fighting. And I always am trying to remind her,
Starting point is 00:14:06 like, relax, their brothers. They're neither one of them running to kill each other. The worst is gonna happen is one's gonna bite the other one and do a small blood, come out. But that to her, just like, oh my, that's crazy that you would allow that to happen. I'm like, yeah, it's just different. You know, it's like two boys wrestling in the living room
Starting point is 00:14:20 and scruffing and one of them gets cut or scratched. You know, it's not a big deal. So I've been kind of doing all the introducing the dogs to the baby being there. And you know, I stay close, right, just to be safe, but I want them to feel that I feel comfortable and okay. So you're just sitting back, chill? Yeah, well, I mean originally what I would do is I'd actually be holding max
Starting point is 00:14:42 and I'd squat down all the way down in our deep squat position. And, and then I keep him held and I, I would call the boys over and I'd have him sit and I'd pet him and tell him easy and let him smell him and as they're smelling him. And at first, the first few times they're smelling him kind of aggressive and like shoving their face in him and I would kind of push him back easy, easy and tell him easy. Just like I would when you're teaching a dog to mouth instead of clamp down. Like when dogs are puppies,
Starting point is 00:15:08 all intentionally, you intentionally shove your fingers in their mouth and stuff like that, and allow them to kind of bite on you, but then tell them easy, let them know to be easy when your fingers and your hands are in their mouth. So they've already been trained by me on that a long time ago.
Starting point is 00:15:21 So same type, they've heard that from me before of easy, easy, gentle, you know, so when they're faces close to them. So that's what I've been doing with them. And they did, they made the transition way faster than I thought. I was a little nervous because of the jealousy thing going on, but they've been great. Although I'm dealing with something right now with Mazi that I don't know what's going on with him. He's got something, it's a respiratory issue because I can hear it in his breathing and he just doesn't even have the energy to... You think maybe he's getting infection? Yeah, I think he does. And he's already got lung issues.
Starting point is 00:15:55 He's the one who, you know, we almost lost him last year or almost a year ago now. And we had to have him overnight in oxygen and surgery and he barely lived and now he's going through something I know and I'm just like, I have enough on my fucking plate right now. I'm trying to juggle now my fucking, one of my dogs is having a hard time. You're saying you're gonna be in today? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:17 As soon as we're done here, again, I'm rushing back because Katrina's at the pediatrician right now, so she's with them so I can get back and find out what's going on there. Make sure she's getting some rest. She was up a lot last night and then make sure that I'm checking out for him. So I'm all over the board. Well, you know, dogs are, they view humans as they're part of their pack. So I think if it's all done done properly they'll view the baby is like Baby part of the pack like a puppy right away. Yeah, and dogs are can be incredibly protective over children Did you guys know what you guys obviously know what an American pit bull is right?
Starting point is 00:16:56 Amstaff is another version of a American pit bull a little bit different Do you know what they used to be called at the turn of the century in the early 1900s? You know what they used to be called at the turn of the century in the early 1900s? Nanny dogs. That was actually the- Oh really? Yeah, they would just like babysit. Well, pit bulls got a bad rap later on,
Starting point is 00:17:12 you know, like in the 70s and 80s when they started getting a bad rap because they bred to fight. Well, they were bred to fight initially, but because then you had gang bangers and thugs and shit, using them to fight and of course people with their, you know, insecure, you know, people wanting to have a tough looking dog. And so they, you thugs and shit using them to fight and of course people with their insecure people wanting to have a tough looking dog.
Starting point is 00:17:27 And so they treat them shitty and so you'd have a crappy dog. But pit bulls initially were revered. They were nanny dogs. So they were revered for being extremely good with children, very protective. And so what moms would do during this time is if they had to leave the baby to go do something which was more commonplace than it is now. We don't really do that anymore.
Starting point is 00:17:50 But they would leave the dog with the baby and she knew nobody would fucking get near the baby because the dog would let anybody get into the call them nanny dogs and they were exceptionally good at watching over children. So I'm actually really excited because I think the boys will be like this. I remember, what were we doing? I'm trying to remember what it was, but the first time that I'd seen this, it's been happened multiple times now, but the first time that I noticed that the boys were like that
Starting point is 00:18:16 for Katrina, extremely protective of her. Like you can tell that in the family that I've asserted myself as the alpha amongst the two dogs in myself and our family. And Katrina is the lover and the one that is there to cuddle, to love, to if they're hurt or injured and so they kind of have that bond in relationship with her. And so anytime that we're out and like another dog
Starting point is 00:18:42 or anything like comes, it's crazy, the way they stand, they mount up like in front of her. It could be me, her, and then we're walking them. They're not protecting you. Yeah, they don't. They don't get in front of me or don't seem to worry about it. They stance in front of her and kind of block whatever in between, whatever threat is around.
Starting point is 00:19:04 And that goes for other dogs, or even like strange people that are walking by, they don't recognize or they look suspicious. The boys get all really. That's great. Yeah, it's pretty cool. When I was a kid, we had a pit bull. I've always had pit bulls growing up.
Starting point is 00:19:16 When I was really young, my dad had a big one, a 95 pounder. And my dad, he's to put me on his back and I'd hold on. And he'd walk around real slow, so that I wouldn't fall off. So I'd be writing him like a little horse almost You know, I need to kind of walk around real gentle and if I fell off he'd like slowly let me slide off and he was super good with us It's really really cool. I find this stuff fast thing speaking of babies read an article on About artificial wounds What so yeah, so about artificial wounds. What?
Starting point is 00:19:43 So yeah, so scientists, I gotta bring up this article. I mean, like the matrix where they put you in a little pod. What? Here's the quote from scientists while working on this, that we will be growing babies in artificial wounds within a decade. What?
Starting point is 00:20:01 Yeah, so within 10 years. Dude, that is insane. So doctors at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia are in talks with the FDA to begin testing artificial wounds on human embryos within the next two years. And if they're successful, then probably within 10 years. And that's the 10 year plan.
Starting point is 00:20:19 The 10 year plan is to be able to have a baby outside of the human body. Dude, from a moral ethical perspective, who's checking them on this? Well, nobody. Bro, how weird will that be if my girl can give the egg, I can give the sperm, they can artificially create our kid, feed him the most optimal food for nine months in this womb,
Starting point is 00:20:43 and then outcomes are kid. But yet Katrina doesn't have to carry it. Katrina doesn't have to feed. Sounds good, right? Sounds yes. Too good to be true. Well, it's actually 100%. It sounds great and all that,
Starting point is 00:20:54 but this just highlights the, God, what's the word that I want to use when the people are, with they think too much of themselves, not conceded, but. Narcissistic. Not narcissistic. God complex, bro. Just the, just, we have a tendency to think that we have,
Starting point is 00:21:11 we understand everything. No, we know what we're doing. This is great. There's much more. Air against. The arrogance, thank you very much. This highlights the biggest problems that humans have. Always is our arrogance.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Humans are, we have a tendency to be so massively arrogant that we really think that if we solve the physical problems with having a baby, like, oh no, it's going to have the warmth, the nutrients, it'll have the bacteria, all this stuff. It's going to have all the stuff that needs to grow, that's everything that the baby needs. It's all the materials. Yes, but they're not considering so many other factors that they're just still learning about. That happened, you know, inside the womb
Starting point is 00:21:50 with the mother involved. There's a, there's a, and look, I, you can, you don't need to have a baby to have a tremendous bond with that baby. Obviously, I'm a dad, I'm a man, I've never had a baby. And there's people, there's children who've been adopted and you have incredible bonds with the children. But to say that there's nothing special,
Starting point is 00:22:08 aside from the fact that you just provide nutrients in a home for this fetus or whatever, that there's nothing aside from that, is so arrogant it's insane to me. And so the fact that we're gonna go ahead and do this, try and do this in 10 years, you know what's gonna end up happening, is we're gonna one or two generations later
Starting point is 00:22:26 be like, oh shit, they're gonna be cold and like psychopaths. May, I don't know. That's my prediction. Who knows? Who knows, but it's really crazy. And of course, it's gonna be popular, because women are gonna be like, oh cool, I don't have to. When you start taking humans out of the equation,
Starting point is 00:22:40 it becomes less human. Oh, I mean, it's pretty common sense. I don't know. Man, it's weird. Well, you gotta see where it sounds extremely appealing. I mean, it sounds stupid. Of course, I can sell the fuck out of it. Yeah, I mean, and trust me,
Starting point is 00:22:53 especially after seeing Katrina go through the birthing process, I mean, I think if most women, if you could say, hey, listen, you can have that exact same kid, everything that you, yeah, just you gotta go through holding them, you gotta go through feeding them, you know, they go through letting him come through with your first game away. You don't need no stretcher, you're in a rush or you're in a rush or you're in a rush. Yeah, just you get to go through holding them, you get to feed them, you know, to go through letting him come through. You don't know stretch the course. Yeah. Yeah. Right now it changes all that stuff. Yeah, you're I could totally see the appeal and you know what's gonna end up happening. I'm gonna call this right now so that people can
Starting point is 00:23:15 look back on this episode from 10 years. Yeah. And be like, he called time stamp this. I'm gonna remember this. Anybody who opposes artificial wounds is going to be labeled anti-femin, anti-women. Oh, well, of course you're going to say that you don't have the one that has to go through the all the changes and all that. It's going to be anti people who can't have kids, for example, two men getting married or two, whatever, or it's going to be anti people who just can't have a kid because of maybe some reproductive issues and a lot of stuff. That's how they're gonna label it
Starting point is 00:23:48 so that people aren't gonna have a opposing opinion. And I'm not a hundred percent opposed to it because I can see situations where this may be incredibly valuable. I just think we need to take a step back and slow down. That's really arrogant, you know what I'm saying? Super arrogant of us to do that. Just because you can doesn't always mean shit.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Yeah, who knows? That's the thing. Who knows what this is gonna look like? 10 years? Yeah, in a decade. 10 years. Bro, your kid will be 10 years old. It's crazy. And people will be having babies in the back. I'll be the last like, yeah, natural stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:19 You know, the guy in the world. It's crazy because when you watch something like the Matrix for the first time and you see that, you're like, oh, that's crazy. That'd be weird. If it was really like that, it's like, whoa, the fact that that could be reality that we could actually start to have like. It's like a factory, you know, you turn into,
Starting point is 00:24:34 it's almost like you watch like cars being built. You know, that's like what like the human experience is. Well, think about it. God, from a sci-fi, like conspiracy theory standpoint, you imagine that like people like the some corporation or Courses can be a corporation to make a shit that they have control over all these babies that are growing Yes, dude, and they're like okay, what we're gonna slightly know is gonna know this We're gonna slightly modify a program them a little bit just a little bit so when we play certain type of music
Starting point is 00:25:01 They all become soldiers Yeah, like come on you whatever. Yeah, yeah. Like, come on, you idiots, of course. Or it could be even more subtle. You guys watch way too much, I'm fine. Dude, they put it, I'm telling you, they're throwing all the red flags out there. Like, hey, you might want to consider this.
Starting point is 00:25:15 You might want to consider it, because there are like evil people that still exist that you know, are controlling buttons. Bro, it could be even more subtle. It could be like, they'll slightly tweak them just enough to prefer the toilet paper that we make. You know what I'm saying? We got all the things.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Okay, now I can get on board with that because that's a super subtle, right? Right, exactly. What we've proven already is, everything's about money, right? It's always about that. I think there's more likely, instead of someone trying to create soldiers for world domination.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I go down the rabbit's hole. And somebody's going like, hey, we could do this and like, fucking make another business off of it. And these people all be garr- Like that's, I see that. I'm sure. Everybody has the same like foot size
Starting point is 00:25:54 so they have like uniform shoes. It's the same thing I feel about being spied on on in Instagram and Facebook and Twitter. All these things that allow access to all of our personal stuff. It's like, I'm not one of those conspiracy people that get freaked out. Like, oh my god, they're tracking everything. And they have this conspiracy of doing something awful to us, or they're God-R.
Starting point is 00:26:14 All they want to know is so they can sell me shit. That's what they, it's all about money, dude. That's what they really want to know all the shit I'm doing. Not because they give a fuck about what I'm doing all day long, because they want to know my buying habits. So that's what the company does, but then when you get an evil government that gets access to that, it becomes a mess.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But you know what, here's the thing, when you start to separate the baby from the host, from the mother, and now it's becoming kind of like a product almost, the next, the next, the next, yeah, the sci-fi, to stay right here, it's all the, the next, the sci-fi,
Starting point is 00:26:45 the next step, which isn't a big leap from that point, is to say this, is to make this argument, hey look, we have the science to ensure that your child gets the best of both of your genetics. That we're gonna take, no, it's still your genes, dad and mom, it's still your guys' genes, but we're gonna take all the lead, all the shit, and we're gonna give you all the good stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Yeah, we're gonna take all your sperms, we're gonna take all of her eggs or eggs, and we're gonna look at that, and we're gonna just make sure that he gets the sheer, heer sheer, whichever you choose, by the way, you choose the sex, okay? We're gonna pick the best of your genes, which means they're more likely to be taller,
Starting point is 00:27:23 smarter, better looking, healthier, and faster. And if you oppose that, what a bad person you are. Why would you want to have a person? I would give your kid all these conditions. Totally, totally. It's the next step. And again, that's just, it's a hard argument to fight. This is completely the opposite.
Starting point is 00:27:40 So being like from the past, I was watching this documentary. It was very fascinating. They just found a 13,000 year old female, like 15 year old female skeleton in Mexico in the cenotes. Wow. And this is a big deal because I believe that it predates what they've found before with humans being here in the Americas. And what they've concluded from, because the thing was with the American Indians, they weren't able to trace them back to all the rest of the humans. The genes were a little different.
Starting point is 00:28:19 So I guess there was this land mass. It was in the, you know, the barring straight. It was like an actual landmass there that was even bigger off of like Russia and it was like called barringia, I believe. And so they apparently like, like some tribes, like came there earlier in the Anderthal to where they created this, this race of people that now they're tracing back that has a lineage from this one skeleton, like proved all this stuff. Wow.
Starting point is 00:28:46 So it's a completely, is this a new race that they've been able to trace back because of this finding? So you know that there were Neanderthals, there were like modern humans, there were like didn't sovians or something like that. So all those like they all made it, you know, and created this race of people
Starting point is 00:29:03 like on this mass and then the ice age, and then the ice age allowed them to cross over into this content. So much stuff we don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's so nice. Like how crazy is this? A lot of people, if you test their DNA, you find Neanderthal DNA, because we obviously made it with this other species
Starting point is 00:29:24 of this other type of, you know, this other type of humans or whatever that was different, but then for whatever reason they died out. Either we killed them all or we just did better than they did or whatever, but we were banging them. Yes. But it's crazy because you know about like in the cenotes there, it's like it's a really vast like system of caves and it's all underwater and everything.
Starting point is 00:29:46 And so they're getting further in and they're finding like all these like cool animals and things they've never found before. And just because, you know, before that, they speculate that the climate was different. So basically the oceans were back further so it allowed more land. And so within these are mainly caves before,
Starting point is 00:30:07 but now they're flooded. So like, did they have to go underwater to find this? Yeah, they had to go way underwater because I guess back then they speculate that you had to like, I mean, it was trying to find water was tough so they would go through these caves to find water and so they would go way into these cave system and then find water
Starting point is 00:30:25 And so it was dangerous because a lot of predators would then there and so is there a guide? Is there a guesstimation on how much how much water we had on earth back then compared to it? It wasn't that we had more oh liquid water. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because yeah during the ice age a lot of it's frozen and so pulled it up Yeah, so you know when you have like, you ever put ice cubes in water, and the ice cubes melt in the water level goes up a little bit. It just takes up more space. But no, that's a good question.
Starting point is 00:30:51 I'm sure we could probably look that up. And that's why with, you know what they say, well, if the climate warms, sea levels will rise because you'll start to melt, you know, all the ice or whatever. But you know what's interesting, I just read along those lines, did you know that plants are growing at a faster, or have been growing at faster and faster rates for
Starting point is 00:31:11 the last few decades, kind of like a side effect of the carbon monoxide we're putting in there. So because we're burning all these fossil fuels, plants are thriving, because that's what they breathe, that's what they eat, right? So plants are just flourishing all over the place faster. It's amazing. It's amazing. It right yeah, so plants are just flourishing all over the place faster It's amazing. I was thinking I would think it just kind of works itself out. It's weird. They're getting bigger It's yes. It's really really weird right super super cool. Anyway last night. I went to the movies I went back to that that place in Where's it will what is the prune yard? Yeah, yeah. Where you sit down and you eat dinner there, whatever.
Starting point is 00:31:45 Which by the way, dinner in a movie. Can I just say something right now? I've been doing that. Remember I told you guys a few podcasts ago that Bismuth, which is found in petpo, Bismol, helps break down biofilms of bacteria. And I've been doing that and taking antimicrobials because I tend to have bacterial overgrowth in my gut.
Starting point is 00:32:02 That's what bothers my gut. And I've kind of figured it out. So I've been taking that and it's really made my gut super healthy. So of course, what do I do? I go last nine eight, a fucking hot dog. Two things of French fries and talk to us. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Yeah. Don't go for it. But you know what though? It didn't bother my gut, but you know what's funny? I tied how I eat so closely to my gut health. That one my gut's healthy, it's like there's nothing left and then I go too far in the other direction.
Starting point is 00:32:28 And it reminds me of when people tie their nutrition so hard to having to look a certain way for like a contest and then going off. So I was really aware of that psychological phenomenon. But anyway, I go to the movies and I watch Rocketman. You guys need to fucking watch that. Yeah, that was the Eln John sort of a story. Yeah, that was the Ellen John sort of a story. Dude, it was, yes, it is a musical,
Starting point is 00:32:48 but I like it. Ellen John's music, though. Bro, Ellen John is one of the greatest musicians of all time. I did not know this at the peak of his popularity. Did you guys know that his record sales accounted for 5% of all record sales in the world at one point. Holy shit. That's how much he was selling at one point.
Starting point is 00:33:09 He was the richest, wealthiest musician and performer at one point. I didn't know that. At like 25 or 26 years old. I didn't know that. Yes. Wow. 5% of all record sales. He was one of them in the world.
Starting point is 00:33:21 In the world. That's crazy. He was one of the first artists to sell out stadiums pat like like months in advance stadiums and you go out there and perform and was just Blues people's minds, but this particular movie was produced by Elton John So this was actually him approving of like what was in there and whatever. Huh? He's done really really really, really well. Really, really well.
Starting point is 00:33:46 You guys gotta watch it. It's like one of those, you're watching movies, you get like the chills, like several times throughout the movie. It was one of those movies. Oh wow. It was fucking phenomenal. I didn't even know that was in theater right now.
Starting point is 00:33:57 It's super, it got 97 on Rotten Tomatoes. Oh shit. I still haven't watched the one about clean. That was really good. Oh that's really good. Actually I thought I thought it was really good. I thought Rocky Man was better believing in it. Oh wow, I still haven't watched the one about Queen. That was really good. Oh, that's really good. Actually, I thought I thought it was really good. I thought Rock and Man was better believing in it. Oh, wow, that good.
Starting point is 00:34:08 I thought it was good. Cause I really like Bohemian rap city. That was really good. We watched that maybe a month or two ago and I didn't see it in theater. And I didn't have that much of a desire to watch it. But after watching it, I told everybody, go watch that. I didn't know with Queen story.
Starting point is 00:34:22 No, I didn't know that. Elton John had suffered a little bit from stage fright and anxiety a little bit. Did you guys know that? Being a really such an incredible performer, right? Was that why he put the huge glasses to hide? I know sometimes some people have done that where they get costumes that are crazy to deflect.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Well, so I think it was Jordan Harbinger talked about somebody on his show that said that you can create a persona or something or do something like put a hat on or put glasses on, switch into a different person and then all of a sudden become whatever cares matter. I've heard that from a lot of performers. And we've met YouTube stars like that, right? They seem super charismatic and outgoing and then you meet them in person. They're super shy Michael Jackson. Yep. You know, is a famous example of that. Super shy, whatever, get him on stage and what a,
Starting point is 00:35:09 so Elton John, that's not his real name. He changed it to Elton John. And I think that might have been part of his, like, becoming his persona. His persona. But his first big performance in LA was at, what's it called, the Tribidor? I think it was a Tribidor.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah, that famous kind of bar or whatever. And he almost didn't go out. You don't want to go out and they had to kind of force him to go out, but then as soon as he started playing, he turned into, you know, Elton John or whatever, and did his thing. So, yeah, super, super good. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:35:36 That's cool. Another study on, did you guys see, maybe you saw it just, and we were getting tagged, the study on soda and juice. Did I see that? I don't know if I read that one. Drinking a glass of sugary liquid, so whether it's soda or juice,
Starting point is 00:35:54 that's what was different about the study, is it didn't just say it was soda, they actually also connected it to fruit juice. Drinking a glass a day, according to the study, and they're gonna look deeper into it, raised cancer rates by almost 20%. Whoa. It was 18% I think.
Starting point is 00:36:12 What's the concentration of sugar? Like what was the amount that the... Typically a juice or ore. A glass of juice? 30 grams of sugar. Oh wow. Yeah. That's what makes it so, that's what's funny
Starting point is 00:36:22 is that we demonized soda. Like we would come that far, right? But then juice is so okay, and I always see like, there's a lot of people that still think it's a health. Yeah, yeah. No, I see kids all the time sucking down all the different fruit juices, and I'm like, man, you may as well give the kid a,
Starting point is 00:36:35 you had him sucking down, if you had a straw and a soda can, people would freak out, right? If you saw a little game, give him a juice. Yeah, but you give him a juice, and it's totally normal, but it's like they're really not that far off from each other. No, the squee, you know, being able to fit,
Starting point is 00:36:49 I don't know how, however many grapes worth of juice into a small container, that's a lot of, you wouldn't eat that many grapes if you were a kid. Yeah, if you ever, you guys have juiced fruit before, right? Like, if you've ever done like a juicer, how many oranges does it take to make glass? To make a glass of like squeezed juice, like you, a whole apple, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:07 but half a pound of grapes, like that makes like one little glass of juice. It's crazy. Plus all the pulp and everything else. That's actually one of the, the first time I bought one, I think it was the Jack, isn't Jack Lillain have a juicer right?
Starting point is 00:37:19 Yeah, I bought the Jack Lillain juicer when I was a trainer like, I don't know, fuck, 10 plus years ago. I was including the juicing. And yeah, I did. I got on this juicing kick for a while. And it blew my mind how much fruit. I mean, it was too expensive.
Starting point is 00:37:32 I'm like, this is crazy. Like for me to make a glass of juice, I'd have to go through like four pieces of full fruit just to make this little glass of juice. I thought, whoa, that's crazy. It'd be like eating four pieces of fruit, but you're minus the fiber, minus the whole amount. Yeah,'d be like eating four pieces of fruit, but you minus the fiber, minus the, the most beneficial parts of eating fruit
Starting point is 00:37:48 is getting all the fiber skin and everything that you're eating when you eat. It's so typical, right? We look at something and we think, let's take out the tastiest part and throw the rest away. Yeah, concentrate the fuck at it. And then tell people that it's like so much better.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Now, I would assume that, and I don't know if they did this in the study, I would assume that if they start to do the controls, because here's the thing with sugar, in the context of a low calorie diet and health, it doesn't seem to have tons of negative effects. But lots of sugar in the context of eating a lot of calories, high inflammatory state, then it starts to become a problem. And so I would assume that people who drink a glass of juice every day or a soda every day, nowadays, especially the soda, probably not healthy. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:38:35 You're not talking about like fitness and health fanatics who are having a glass of, all right, you know, of soda every single day. So it's a association of bad patterns and bad habits. It's just context matters, you know, like same thing with cholesterol. of soda every single day. So the association of bad patterns and bad habits can go with it. Context matters. You know, like same thing with cholesterol, having eating a lot of cholesterol in the context
Starting point is 00:38:52 of having a lot of inflammation, maybe not a good thing, but in the context of being healthy. You know, we always talk about that. And I talk a lot about the steps and how little, maybe Doug, you could look up. I'm curious over the last two or three decades, if we have averages of what, the average humans movement over the last two
Starting point is 00:39:10 or three decades and what rate it's decreasing at. Because what we moved today in comparison to what we did just 10 years ago, and just in my lifetime, I've seen such a crazy difference. So, it'd be interesting to see what that looks like over the last 30 to 50 years on how little it just we don't have to go physically do the same things that we had to do just a decade or two ago. It's and you don't think about it because we're as busy or busier or should I say distracted more today than we ever have been. So the human mind doesn't
Starting point is 00:39:42 really process like oh also where this we're lazy humans. And the human mind doesn't really process like, oh, also, and we're this we're lazy humans. And you're still getting tired. Exactly. Exactly. We're still you're still getting shit done. You know, it's just a lot of it's done virtually. It's done sitting down. It's done through a computer. And so it's interesting to speculate on Matt are will we keep continuing going down this path? And can we look back over the last 30, 50 years and see is there been a consistent decline in movement and based off of that where will we be in another ten years? Yeah, I bet you if for every great breakthrough
Starting point is 00:40:14 in technology you see dramatic decline like the like the automobile was invented decline in activity You know the the television was invented, and it's adoption started across America, boom, decline in activity, and then now computers, technology phones, that kind of stuff, probably continues to go down. We're gonna be like a wally, where we're all floating around and whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Rascal skaters. Another good article that I read that I want to bring up. There was a study done on testosterone boosters, which was pretty cool. So here's what's cool about the study. So rather than taking a specific herb or plant to test whether or not it raises testosterone or not, what researchers did is they emulated a typical person searching for testosterone booster online. So they Googled testosterone booster,
Starting point is 00:41:08 and then they analyzed the top 50 supplements that came up, and here's what they found. Less than a quarter, I think it was something like 15% of the testosterone supplements had any data at all that supported their claims. So the vast majority of testosterone boosters had zero data to support any of their claims about raising testosterone. Some of them contain doses of vitamins and minerals that were even higher
Starting point is 00:41:32 than the tolerable limit. So some of them, they're like, I shouldn't be taking these. 10% of the supplements included ingredients with data, real data that suggests that there's a negative effect on testosterone. Go figure. How funny is that? So at the end of the study, they're like, yeah, testosterone boosters big waste of money. One of the biggest waste of money you can find when it comes to testosterone.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Well, especially when you're someone, because that's the thing I didn't get as a kid, because again, I got, I was marking it too well, just like I know you guys were. I took all those, you know, test one, you know, over the calendar. During the ages, your testosterone's like, you tired. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Like when it's at its peak anyways, like, even if I did get a hold of one that might actually help a little bit, it wouldn't help me at 17 to 20 years, 25 years old, you know, it would probably help somebody who's 55 to 60 and you give them and they might feel a little bit of a difference from it. So it's funny. That's I only saw when I was talking about, you know, homeboy the other day that posted all his his supplements that he was taking and the testosterone booster one had to been like the most comical with
Starting point is 00:42:38 like bro, you're taking a gram of testosterone synthetically dude, your testosterone boosters are not doing anything for you. In fact, they might be like, you're just to your point. What you said, it might be fucking hindering it. Totally. There is one. Now, of course, some testosterone boosters
Starting point is 00:42:56 have been shown to work on men with low testosterone. So different category. So if you have average testosterone, probably not gonna help you, Ashwaganda is one of the only supplements that may actually temporarily raise testosterone in men who are even healthy. Really?
Starting point is 00:43:14 Yeah, and I think, I'm not quite sure how works I've been doing a lot of reading on it, but that might be the one that's got right now the most promise based on data. But even then, here's the thing, like you boost your testosterone 15%, probably not going to notice anything. It sounds like a lot 15%, but it's not, you might not need to.
Starting point is 00:43:32 I mean, I think that those type of numbers could be affected as much or more by a good night's rest. More. Right. Oh my gosh. I mean, so you're thinking about people are out there searching and researching all the greatest testosterone booster that you could take over the counter. You rub this deer piss off. Meanwhile, you know, how many people do you guys know other than probably listen to mind pump, but how many people do you know that actually put a practice in every night to make sure that they enhance their sleep? Like, and that's free. You know, you don't gonna pay anything,
Starting point is 00:44:05 you don't wanna take anything, you know, maybe instead of being on your, staring at your phone and your bed till midnight and then trying to roll over. And that will raise it big time, raise it to stuff like that. Right, right, right. Maybe just put a little effort into,
Starting point is 00:44:18 hey, let's try this for one month. I'm gonna discipline myself to go to bed at the same time to, you know, maybe shut down my eating two hours before I even go to bed, pay attention to the light, pay attention to my phone, like try doing that and see if you notice a difference. Yeah, you know, when I would train clients every once in a while, I'd have a male client that would come in and, you know, when you talk to your client, you do the first initial assessment and you ask them, you know, have you been to a doctor or whatever. And every once in a while, I get a guy who'd be like,
Starting point is 00:44:46 yeah, I just had a physical. And so I'd ask them, if you don't mind, would you mind if we looked at your, if I looked at some of the blood markers or whatever. And I had probably in my whole career, I don't know, around 10 male clients who would get their testosterone levels checked, and then they checked their testosterone again a year later
Starting point is 00:45:06 or six months later, and it was not uncommon to see testosterone levels sometimes double in these men. And all we did was start lifting weights, change our diet, get better sleep. That's it, and these guys would go from having testosterone levels that were in the lower range to the higher range, And it was like clockwork. Just being dialed in. You know, yet all those factors working for you still against you.
Starting point is 00:45:31 That's right. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested, certified organic super foods to help give your your health a performance the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com, and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Dan R-Lang. How do you put maximum load on the muscles and minimum load on the joints when exercising?
Starting point is 00:46:10 Resistance training as an example. Oh, cool question actually. Yeah, that's a cool question. Yeah, you know, he's really good at this. If you wanna watch the lifters who are really make a lot of effort, not always, but the good ones, bodybuilders. Biblical scale.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Yeah, this has been packed as well. Ben is like, this is what he's known for. Totally. The squeeze. Yeah, you know, I noticed this myself. So over the last couple of weeks, one of my favorite ways to lift weights is to lift really heavy and to go with low reps,
Starting point is 00:46:40 usually around five repetitions. I just respond well to it. I love it. It's fun. it's my favorite way to work out. But I also notice as I've gotten older, I can't stay in that phase quite as long as I used to. And what I start to notice is the insertions of my muscles start to get really sore. And then my joints start to get a little bit stiff and achy.
Starting point is 00:47:03 And so I would say the best way to avoid joint pain and maximal and then maximize load on the muscles would be the opposite of that. To go lighter, but to concentrate on your form and technique and to make the muscle do more of the work. That's gonna keep your joints healthier and still give you that hypertrophy effect on muscle. A generic answer would be to really truly try and run a program or run a phase of training
Starting point is 00:47:34 where you are truly sticking to a like four to two type of protocol. I mean, I explain that for people who might not know. And I like to talk about this when I used to train clients. It used to be one of my favorite things to teach someone right away because I remember when I first started doing all my reading on like, okay, building muscle and the best rep range, the best tempos and where you should kind of be at. And we know now that the most ideal way to build muscle, and we've talked about this
Starting point is 00:48:06 before, in a short controlled six week study would be like, okay, following a hypertrophy type of protocol, and a hypertrophy protocol would be that 8 to 12 rep range, and following like a 4 to 2 tempo, which is taking the negative for four seconds, so lowering the weight down, whatever exercise you're doing for four seconds, then a two second pause, an isolation pause at the bottom of the rep, and then a two second positive, so as you push up or stand up or whatever movement that we're doing.
Starting point is 00:48:40 And I remember learning that, and then I remember like going to the gym and actually like kind of counting in my head and falling that and going like, whoa, I've never felt like an eternity. Yeah, it feels way long, and then you look around the gym just for a minute and look at all the people that are lifting around you and just for shits and giggles do this.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Just kind of watch everybody's negative and count and tell me how many people you actually spot that do a true four second negative, it's rare. The most common is like two, maybe three somebody who's training. If you saw someone training slow, it's probably three seconds. It requires way more patience. And it requires that you lighten the load. Yeah, and that's just why you don't see it very often is because we all ego lift, all of us do.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Man and women, women are less likely, so I see this better with some of my female clients. I was able to teach this to my women because my women aren't as would not be as kind of more receptive to. Well, they don't give a shit if I tell them, I hand them five pound dumbbells. They don't give a shit if that I put,
Starting point is 00:49:44 you know, a 30, you know, no weight on the bar. Yeah, right. Try taking a teenage boy or a grown man and saying, Kravit hand in them 10 pound dumbbells and telling them to slow down his curling process. Like, yeah, you know, I'm saying he doesn't want to look like so guys are harder to teach us, but the thing is we'll probably benefit the most
Starting point is 00:50:01 that you do this. Oh, the benefits of really emphasizing that eccentric contraction, which, you know, like that in itself is like such an impactful focus. If you can get somebody to kind of like work on training just like controlling that process better in the eccentric part of the lift, you know, get massive benefit.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Plus it breaks down the muscle quite a bit. Not to mention, there's nothing that is, that's the worst studies say is most optimal. There's nothing that says you can't do a five-second negative. Like you really want to, so I'll use a train client to go, I would be slower, slower, slow, I mean, I would be constantly telling them to go slower and slower
Starting point is 00:50:36 because what that does for me too is a trainer is one, I can lighten the loads, there's less risk there. Two, I can really make adjustments to their body positioning as they're going through a rep when I'm asking them to really slow it down for four or five seconds on a negative. And then talk about keeping the load and the stress off the joints and able to keep the tension in the muscle.
Starting point is 00:50:58 This is one of the best ways that you can do that is to really discipline yourself to slow down. Another good point, the time under tension, which is something I know a lot of bodybuilders highlight more so than your strength athletes. It's like, it does provide that when you slow down the tempo, you can really focus on really contracting and radiating this contraction throughout your body and maximizing that squeeze of the muscle,
Starting point is 00:51:21 that time length increases when you focus on it. Well, especially when you're somebody who is trying to sculpt the body, which I would say is probably, I don't know, what you guys guessed, 80% of the people inside the gym. It takes most people. Most people go to the gym because they want to change the way they look or improve the way they look somehow. So if you're somebody who is chasing aesthetics, this is extremely important. Do you have more longevity training.
Starting point is 00:51:45 Well, I used to, I used to love being the guy who was super ripped and jacked in the gym and then I would be lifting next to some got meadhead guy that was rip and heavyweight. I'd be doing real lightweight right next to him, but controlled in like perfect form. That's me ever since Instagram. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Nice to think I was strong and then you start looking around. Okay, that's right. Well, I'm going diaper, the joke that I used to say and my trainers, they would tease me instead of that, I was like, yeah, man, I'm all show no go. I just want to look fast when I take my shirt off. I don't need to perform at that level. I don't need to be the baddest dude in the gym lifting the most weight.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I tell you what, that's when I felt the best. No aches and pains. I didn't really start to get a lot of aches and pains in my joint until I started really stretching the limits as far as how heavy I was living. Now mind you, I also gained some of the most muscle during those times of lifting the one to three or even five rep range, really low rep range and going for maximal load. I definitely put on a packed on muscle, but I felt the best when I was training like slow control tempo and eight to 12 reps.
Starting point is 00:52:48 And there's another part here too that I think we should cover, which is, you know, are your joints moving in the optimal way? Because you can go four to two tempo, but if you have poor mobility, if the ligaments of your joints are supporting you rather than your muscle, if you're moving in a way that's not optimal, lightweight, low resistance can still cause lots of problems
Starting point is 00:53:15 in your joints. If your knees are to exaggerate, if they're caving in as you're doing a squat, there's gonna be a lot of tension being placed on the inside of the knee, on the ligaments that keep your knee from folding in half sideways. And so you could go bodyweight squats. You could do bodyweight squats and do them slow and do all that stuff, but just because you have poor mobility, you can find that your joints start to bother you. And so, and this is something you should focus on if you are a strength athlete.
Starting point is 00:53:45 Like if you're somebody's like, look, I train heavy because I compete or maybe you just love it so much, you wanna do it as long as possible. You want to make sure that you're moving optimally and moving well, because then you have much longer shelf life. Then you can handle heavy weights for longer, longer periods of time
Starting point is 00:54:02 because you're just moving really, really, really well. I mean, part of the reason why my joints will start to bother me now, yes, I'm using heavy weight, but I'm sure that I'm not perfect. I'm sure my form is an absolutely perfect. Well, this is what probably wouldn't bother me. This is what happens when you do, that is the drawback of training for maximal load, right?
Starting point is 00:54:22 And training for strength is, it's a new adaptation. I'm not trying to isolate a muscle and develop a muscle. I'm trying to get the most weight up, which has incredible benefits, especially when we talk about central nervous system, like incredible, but the desired outcome is different. It's how much can I get my entire body to work together to get this load up off the ground
Starting point is 00:54:44 versus training more hypertrophy or bodybuilder like which is how I like to train for majority of my career, which is when I do this exercise, I care less about how much I'm getting on the ground. I want to feel it right here. And so I'm controlled and focused in an area. And the benefits of that is it tends to take a lot of the load and stress off of all my joints and ligaments and focus it all right on the muscle. Well, if you're not moving well, let's say you're, let's say 100% represents
Starting point is 00:55:13 excellent, perfect optimized joint movement. And let's say you're moving at 97%. So just 3% off, you're at 97%. Will squatting 300 pounds be worse for you than squatting 100 pounds? Yeah, yeah, that 3% off means a lot more when you're not moving yeah, it exponentially well, you exponentially a good example that we used to do with this is like it take like a you know Like a 50 pound dumbbell and hold it into your stomach and stand up tall and straight and then slightly just kind of stand with
Starting point is 00:55:43 Bad Posh just a little bit and then extend the weight out by four inches from you and notice the stress. You ride away, feel on your low back versus when it's in close tight to you and standing up, right? Just be your posture. But slide a shift, slide as big. You get that like dead lifting for me, like I was like, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:56:00 just barely even shifted left to right. It was a done deal. Right. Next question from Rebecca 8, mobility and priming movement seem pretty similar. What are the differences between them, if any? Great question. Great question.
Starting point is 00:56:16 So mobility, think of mobility as an umbrella term that covers, there's a lot of things that can contribute to mobility. So mobility is the ultimate optimum thing that you're looking for. And what mobility basically means is your ability to move through full ranges of motion with total control. That's all it is. So I'm able to express my knee joint from full extension to full flexion with good control, good strength, good stability.
Starting point is 00:56:47 I'm able to flex and extend and rotate my spine with good control, good strength and good stability and pain free. And pain free. That's what mobility is. There's nothing passive about it. Now, what contributes to improved mobility? Oh gosh, I can improve my flexibility and that might help my mobility. If that's a limiting factor, I can improve my strength and that'll improve my mobility
Starting point is 00:57:11 oftentimes. So many times people think getting stronger doesn't improve mobility. That's complete bullshit. If you get strong properly, you'll definitely get more mobile as a result. My connection, my ability to connect to certain things, my movement patterns that are unconscious, like all these things contribute to mobility. Now, when we talk about priming, we're talking specifically about doing particular movements before you do other movements to make you move better
Starting point is 00:57:39 and perform better. That's what it literally means. So if I'm gonna go do a sprint, and I know my body, there may be certain prining movements that I can do that are going to make me sprint better, faster, and safer. Okay, if that makes any sense. So it's almost like I'm trying to create a or or in reinforce a better movement pattern before I go do this, this tough exertion. What's the most optimal sequence? In that movement, that's going to aid in better performance.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Sometimes you know a limiting factor going in, especially one of these compound lifts, where your knees are going to cave in. That's something that you want to address in your priming session to get other muscles to fire to stabilize your hips better, to stabilize your knees, to stabilize your ankles. So you think about these things ahead of time with that mentality of what's gonna keep my body support, my joint supported in the most optimal way.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Right, and the thing about mobility that's really interesting is that it requires a balance of a lot of different things. I'll give you an example. So when I say, you know, I'm going to make you more flexible. Most people would would hear that and think, oh, that's going to improve my mobility. Not really. Not necessarily. If I had somebody that was that hype had hyper flexibility and was, and I've had clients like this, it's not common, but they do exist. I've had one person in particular I can think about. It's more common than you think.
Starting point is 00:59:12 Almost everybody that I've trained, which I'm sure you guys have trained the same thing, that were like your hardcore yogis that have never strained trained, but then want to get into strength training, that they're whole life. They're like, all I've really done is yoga, that's yoga's been dancers. Yeah, that yoga, exactly. So, like a gymnast who that's all they've done and like that where they've all done, that gymnast, not so much.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Gymnast, you a lot of strength. Right, yeah, I want to. Sometimes you'll get dancers who are hyper flexible in certain directions. I had one lady that came in, who was just, her joints were just lax. Like, she would fold right in half to do a hamstring. She could sit in the splits.
Starting point is 00:59:47 She'd sit in 90, 90, could fold back, fold forward, but she had no strength. And as a result of that, her joints had all this crazy loose range of motion without lots of strength supporting it. And if I didn't know any better, and she says to me, oh, my hips hurt, I might be like, well, we need to stretch. Let's stretch your hips out. And she's like, well, I'm really flexible. That's okay. Increase the toxic. What she needs.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Well, you know what they get far worse? You know, they would look like they would look like the same thing that when I have taken like a long break off of exercising and then I go back. You guys ever noticed like when you do like the bench press for the first time and you haven't done it a long time and your arms are shaking. It feels like they're laughing. Yeah, and it's not a weight that you can't lift. It's definitely a weight that you're strong enough to lift it, but then you're shaking all over the place. That's because they haven't trained their central nervous system to carry load through that range of motion that they have created through stretching,
Starting point is 01:00:43 that makes them weak and unstable. So you take someone that super flexible motion that they have created through stretching, that makes them weak and unstable. So, you take someone that's super flexible like that, you add a little bit of a load to that person who's never trained their body to carry load to that except for their body weight and you add load to that and, yeah, injury can occur. And the reason why I'm communicating this is so that people understand what mobility means because I think a lot of people will see someone who's hyper flexible, with poor strength and say that they have a lot of great, they have lots and lots of mobility.
Starting point is 01:01:09 No, mobility, think of it this way, the word mobile, move, you're moving. So your ability to move through full range of motion with total control, without pain, without risk of injury, that's what mobility is. Someone with tons and tons of flexibility without strength is not mobile, they're just flexible. It's just why it's important to understand
Starting point is 01:01:31 that it's this umbrella term. What about if I took somebody who had lots and lots and lots of strength, but terrible range of motion, increasing their strength further would decrease their mobility. It would actually, it could potentially cause more problems, like putting a bigger engine on a car
Starting point is 01:01:50 that is a little bit unstable. Yeah, and I just look at, like, especially with priming in terms of like, being able to create and internalize that support system. So I have to create, you know, a density with my muscles, you know, going through that, that movement. And so that way, now I'm basically mimicking that movement, but I'm, I'm creating the amount of forces
Starting point is 01:02:13 going to take to be able to, you know, safely and controllably, you know, handle this load that I'm about to do. And so it's like I'm, I'm prepping my mind. My mind is also like prepping my muscles. It's prepping my mind my mind is also like prepping my muscles It's prepping my joints is prepping, you know, ligaments like everything is is active through that movement you guys ever watch Singers before they go out on stage and sing when they're in the back you ever seen videos of them doing like all their sound stuff Yeah, we're they're doing the like I oh yeah, I'm moving their math around Yeah, all the muscles primed that's an they're doing the like, ay, ay, ay, I, I, I, I, I, I'm moving their math around. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:02:45 All the muscles primed. That's an example of priming. Right. And priming is training your mind as much, it's more, it's actually training your mind more than it's training your muscles is teaching you, it's getting you set up to move and do things in the right way.
Starting point is 01:03:02 That's why you don't want to go right into something cold. That's what warming up has always had value. It's because without people realizing it, they're warming up, they're doing some level of priming. Now here's the thing with priming. You can make it very specific to yourself, which then makes it far effective. Far more effective.
Starting point is 01:03:19 Like I could take a singer and just have them stretch their mouth out. That'll be better than doing nothing, but they have specific exercises that they've identified for themselves that are going to make them initiate and project their voices better than if they went in cold and it was specific to them. Same thing with your own body. It's a map's prime does this. Map's prime has got to test in there that you take and then you can identify for your own body what would be a good priming sequence before you work out based on the way you move, and then when it ends up happening is when you do proper priming, you temporarily increase your mobility.
Starting point is 01:03:56 Now, this is not a, you know, I know I said temporarily so people are like, well, what's the use? Well, here's the use. If I can temporarily improve your mobility before you work out, then when you work out, guess what you're doing? You're strengthening better mobility. Now that temporary mobility is more likely to become permanent mobility. This is the value in priming. Priming gets you to move better so that when you work out, that workout is far more effective. So priming contributes to mobility.
Starting point is 01:04:26 But mobility is the umbrella term, and there's lots of things you can do to improve your mobility. Next question is from DadboddRoll. What are the benefits of the Turkish get up, and where can they be plugged into a program? Remember when we, Jordan, Jordan Shaman, my boy, always talks shit.
Starting point is 01:04:45 I love it, dude. Yeah, you get to have some things that's funny. I love the Turkish kid up there. There's not a lot of single moves that just really turn on the whole body. Yeah, turn on all the things that are just so, like just, don't get me wrong, squat is king, right? We talk about the squat is king for a lot of reasons when it comes to CNS, overall muscle building,
Starting point is 01:05:08 one of the most functional movements you can do, but I don't know, man, the Turkish get up when you talk about the anti-rotational movements in there, anti-rotational stuff out there, there's you move in different planes while you do it, you get some of the same benefits that you get from a squatting, squatting, like unilateral stuff. I mean, there's so many things in that movement. I think it's, the movement itself is all about intention and it brings you back to that mentality
Starting point is 01:05:35 going into exercises in general because the value of it is, it's, it's learning, you know, where you are in space. It's that proprioceptive ability to react, but also control your body through each incremental part of that movement. It's a complex movement. It's something that you really have to value as I am trying to really go through this slowly understand all the compensations and things that you have to fight through that process. And I think it's a good way to reconnect to your body and teach your body and command your body.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Now to that point, Justin, and we did a really good, oh, we weren't very good back then, but we did a Turkish get up video a long time ago. I was hoping you'd put that. Yeah, on the YouTube. But it's a good, it is good though. What you did a really good job of breaking down the each segment of the Turkish get up.
Starting point is 01:06:32 And so I think it's important that you understand just doing, it's just like a person who squats with incredible mechanics versus somebody who's just squats and they're all over. You gotta do it right. You gotta do it right to get these crazy benefits we're talking about. So just to, the guys from Mind Pumps say Turkish get ups
Starting point is 01:06:50 are amazing for me. I'm gonna start doing them. And then you do them and you do them kind of half-ass or you don't even realize that you're doing them half-ass. You're just getting through them and you're just progressing away. Then it loses a lot of its value. But if you can segment the movement
Starting point is 01:07:04 and in the YouTube video, Justin does a good job of breaking, I want to say it's like eight parts, right? It was eight. It was at least, yeah. It's like eight parts for the entire full movement. And so if you break it up in those eight parts and make sure that you are taking those eight parts through its fullest, most controlled range of motion
Starting point is 01:07:22 and practicing that, man, the benefits and carryover of getting really good at Turkish get up is amazing. And so I know I were selling it right now. We're not talking about what the person's asking and how to program it. Yeah, well, okay. So, well, that's the benefits of it. And, you know, people who think who say a Turkish get up
Starting point is 01:07:38 is useless or worthless or stupid. And, you know, and some of these people are good friends of ours. And I respect very much like Jordan Shallow. I think he's one of the smartest people in fitness, and I think he's in Tegriti's unparalleled. But I will say this, it does highlight, again, our own arrogance. We place so much value on scientific study
Starting point is 01:08:00 that we completely devalue the fact that there are things that existed for long periods of time that people did generation over generation that talked about its value and its importance. And just because we don't have specific studies or EMG measurements showing muscle activation or the fact that it doesn't develop a particular muscle
Starting point is 01:08:20 that's aesthetic, we try to toss it out. Here's the reality. Turkish Get Up is one of the oldest exercises we have on record. It just is. There's very few actual exercises that we have on record. Very, very few. Running is one of the first ones.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Obviously, humans have run for a very, very, very long time. But there's like Hindu squats and pushups. Bent press is an old one. Turkish get up is old as fuck, wrestlers in the Middle East did Turkish get ups as part of their routine. And it was, people did them for generation over generation. Here's the thing that we need to understand. The reason why something exists for generations
Starting point is 01:08:59 is because people see value in it. Sure, humans get kids stuck in tradition and do things that we think are stupid. But the things that last, typically last because there's some value in them. And a Turkish get up is one of those things. It's been around for a long time. We only rediscovered it recently,
Starting point is 01:09:15 and it's funny that everybody's like, oh, the new exercise has been around forever. We rediscovered it, but it was around for a long time. And the reason why it's been around for a long time is it's got real values. And here's the thing, some exercises are excellent at developing specific strength and power. Some exercises are excellent at building particular muscles. Some exercises are excellent at getting your whole body to work together.
Starting point is 01:09:38 That's all they do. That's what they do, and that's what they do well. And the Turkish get-ups, not going to build a specific muscle, you're not going to do Turkish get-ups, and then notice like my quads got big, my back got bigger. You're trying to harmonize a bunch of movements into one beautiful pattern. That's it.
Starting point is 01:09:51 And you know what you're doing? You're doing a fundamental movement. You're going from the floor and getting up. To standing, and it's funny now. Now they're saying that one of the, one a test that can predict mortality, better than all other tests. You know, get up off the floor.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Yeah, how well can you get up off the floor without having to grab onto things? So a Turkish get up just turns on the whole body and works the whole body. And it's not gonna build tons of muscle in any particular area and it's not gonna make your squat numbers go through the roof or anything like that,
Starting point is 01:10:21 but you are gonna notice longevity and health benefits and you will see some carryover to overall performance benefits. Now, as far as plugging it into a program, here's where I see the confusion. It's not a body part specific exercise. If you're doing a body part split, where the fuck do I put it?
Starting point is 01:10:34 It's not a movement specific, at least not to- I like it for active recovery. Yeah, it doesn't apply to the traditional lifts either. So it's like, do I do it on a squat day, do it on a deadlift day, but it is a turn on your whole body day in terms of benefits. So I think just do it at the beginning of any workout.
Starting point is 01:10:52 Well, just do some reps at the beginning of any workout. That all right. So to Justin's point, it's kind of active recovery for me. It's like when I'm not feeling like I want to get after a foundational work day. So depending on what program you have, red, green, black, or any of the other ones, I normally put it on either a trigger day, a mobility day, a focus day,
Starting point is 01:11:10 and I just add in three to five, you know, sets of Turkish get-ups. Because what you'll notice, because you can't load it really, really heavy, you won't get super, super sore. Now you might, the first time you do it because you're gonna feel muscles turn on that you probably, which is a great sign, if you do get sore from Turkish get-ups, that's a really good sign to do them. That means you woke some shit up
Starting point is 01:11:32 that you have not probably turned on a really long time. But once you've done them for a while, you shouldn't be getting really, really sore from them because you can't really load them that heavy to where you're gonna get super, super sore from it. Yeah, I look at it too to like we've programmed overhead carries and things like suitcase carries and things like that where we're building work capacity.
Starting point is 01:11:53 So, on some level for that, but really it's like it's that command over your body. So for me, I love it because you can go heavy with it and you can kind of make a rigorous exercise out of it, but the true value for me is just, you know, having command over by being able to, you know, function at a really high level and, you know, perform something, look at it as more like this is a skill that I'm sharpening, and then that carries over
Starting point is 01:12:21 into, you know, the rest of the exercises that you just maybe have treated with less intention and this brings all that intention and connection to your body back in. It's a good, real general, it's not specific. Ideally you want some specific, but it's a real good general pre-workout primer. Do it, do three, four reps, both sides,
Starting point is 01:12:40 before you start workout, I don't care what workout you're doing and then go in your workout and see how you feel. Well, you said it really well, Sal, that's not, I mean, it only seems confusing if you're somebody who's in a body part split and you're like, okay, what is this replace? Yeah, the shoulders, it's not a replacement exercise. It really should complement any workout, what's more, whether you, it's on a functional movement.
Starting point is 01:13:01 And on it, yeah, right. And honestly, it could be at the beginning of your workout, to prime your entire body to get ready for a great Workout it could be the end of your workout It could be on an active recovery day. You really can't go wrong programming programming this thing this I like it personally This is one of those things. I told this I taught Taylor to do this and he loves to do them now Because Taylor's not really like a body builder guys He keeps himself in really good health.
Starting point is 01:13:25 He's a big bike guy. Yeah, he's a big bike guy now, right? So he's riding his bike like crazy. So the guy he cares about is health and fitness. He just doesn't really give a shit about building muscle like that. Like he's not trying. And so when I taught him the Turkish get up,
Starting point is 01:13:38 he's like, oh, this is really cool. I said, you know what's really cool, too, Taylor? I know you don't really get into the map, Santa Balek and the map is static, where we're sculpting and building this body, and you have a full foundation of workout. There's nothing wrong, and in fact, there's tons of benefit for you to come to the gym and just do a Turkish get-ups
Starting point is 01:13:54 for a half hour. Like literally just perfect the movement, and get good, and he's like, really? I'm like, yeah, you want to talk about an exercise that really kind of touches the entire body, and because you're not trying to develop each muscle really, really big, you're gonna get great benefit from that. And you will build some muscle from doing that.
Starting point is 01:14:11 So he loves that. I'll catch him all the time in here just doing Turkish get-ups. And I think it's a great tool for somebody who is like that, who's like him. And there's a lot of people I know, you know, sometimes we get caught up on this podcast as speaking to ourselves. I care about, Justin really cares about performance so to say, we care about the way we look. So we talk to that, there's a lot of people
Starting point is 01:14:32 who just wanna be fucking healthy and wanna feel good. If you're listening and you're someone like that, doing Turkish get ups by themselves for a half hour, it's a great workout. It's a great single workout, especially if you're taking it like I'm gonna perfect this movement and get really, really good at it.
Starting point is 01:14:49 I tell you what, you will be sweating your ass off and you will feel incredible afterwards. The whole body. The whole body. Next question is from Amelia Jude RD. What is the next big health fad that you predict? Oh, I'm sticking to my guns, man. You know what? You know what? The evidence is starting to come in already and I remember I brought this up
Starting point is 01:15:11 This has to be one of our first like 50 episodes I think we cut we talked like early on maybe four years ago We talked about what we thought was gonna be the next big Fat and I said I think it's gonna be a low protein fat and I know you in particular Adam made fun of me. I did and I still, I'm coming. Well okay, so here's deal. I disagreed hard back then.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Now you disagree slightly. Just slightly. Let me tell you why, right? Because it's gonna be one of those fads that I'm not a fan of because I think in my opinion, a majority of clients, not people that are into working out, people that hired me because they needed my health workout under consumed protein. But because that's not really who moves the fitness market,
Starting point is 01:15:53 the people that move the fitness market or the hardcore people that lift and exercise. And where I see your prediction coming through and it's gonna be hard to argue and debate you now, is this hardcore vegan movement and debate you now, is this the hardcore vegan movement and the not eating meat is becoming more and more popular and we're highlighting all these, I mean, we just recently talked about the Arnold movie
Starting point is 01:16:16 that's coming out soon where they're going to be advocating for less meat product and protein. So, I you're probably gonna win this argument, for sure, even though I'm not a fan of it. Yeah, no, no, like all fads, it's gonna be bullshit. So, that's, so I'm not saying it's a good thing, by the way. It's just like all fads, it's bullshit. But what, here's the thing, there's a big push
Starting point is 01:16:37 for plant-based slash vegan. And the argument against that, that particular argument has always been what? Like not enough protein. Right, like what does meat have? Meat has, by the way, meat has a lot of incredible value in things and most of it's the nutrients, not the fucking protein.
Starting point is 01:16:55 I'm gonna break something to you right now. If you go vegan and you do it right, the thing you need to worry about is not protein, you might not be getting optimal amounts of protein to build muscle and whatever, but you'll be just fine. You'll get the essential amounts of protein with plants. It's gonna be healthy. It's the nutrients that you need to be careful for.
Starting point is 01:17:12 There's a lot of nutrients that are hard to get or that are not necessarily well assimilated by the body that you get through plants, that you can only get from animal sources, but that's not the case. The case that they're going to make is that they've always made is you don't get enough protein. So now what they're going to do is they're going to attack protein.
Starting point is 01:17:29 They're going to say, no, too much protein is not good for you in the context of inflammation. It can drive cancer. It can do this and that. Low protein is better for longevity. They're going to make all these arguments. And you're going to start to see that protein just like we did with fat and just like we did with carbs,
Starting point is 01:17:45 they're gonna start to demonize it again. And they're not gonna get nearly as far as they did with fats and carbs, but they're gonna start to get far. Here's the thing, they got really far demonizing fat. And fat is an essential macronutrient. And I remember, people got sick. Some people got sick as they had the avoided fat at all costs.
Starting point is 01:18:02 Protein, fuck, they start to demonize that. We're gonna have some big problems. But I can see it's already going that drain. We have fucking Arnold doing a documentary on it. It makes it, I mean, again, when we first started this podcast, I was definitely, in fact, you know, this is not, we're not, what, four plus years into this thing.
Starting point is 01:18:17 So when I first was debating you on this, we are on the other side of watching the pendulum swing the other way. We are joking about everything's getting proteins being added. That's how you know that shit's gonna go the other direction. Right, and that's why you're probably fucking right. I just what I'm blown away by is how fast this could potentially be coming because we just feel like a couple years ago, we were starting to see everything being, you know, protein added to every single thing and proteins becoming this magical thing
Starting point is 01:18:45 that every company that's not even related to fitness is starting to add protein to their drinks and their food and shit like that. So, you know, you're probably right. And when I, what I see from the vegan community starting to push back on all that in addition and the rise of that right now with like what the health and now Arnold thing coming out like you're probably, you know, I'm gonna probably concede this one to you for sure that it's probably gonna be the low protein, protein fasting, we're gonna start to hear
Starting point is 01:19:13 how popular it is. Because here's the case that they're gonna make. I'm gonna call it all out before you guys hear it on other platforms or whatever. They're gonna point out to studies that show that high protein diet is bad for cancer. What they're not going to tell you is context fucking matters. Where are you getting the protein from?
Starting point is 01:19:30 Are you eating too many calories? Are you already unhealthy? In which case, yes, you can feed cancer with amino acids, just like you can feed it with sugar, carbohydrates, and even sometimes with fats. But they're going to say that anyway. That's one of the number ones. Number one, things I can say. Number two, they're gonna show studies that show
Starting point is 01:19:49 that Americans eat more protein than almost any other country. This is true, the average American eats more protein than the average almost any other country. And then they're gonna tie that to our poor health. They're gonna say, look, Americans eat more of everything. Yeah, thank you, Justin, but they're not gonna show you that. What they're gonna tie that to our poor health. You're gonna say, look, Americans eat more of everything. Yeah, thank you, Justin. But they're not gonna show you that. What they're gonna show is Americans eat more protein
Starting point is 01:20:09 than the French, more than the Italians, more than the Spanish, more than all these other countries. And yet we have worse health than everybody. And then they're gonna try and make that connection. It's the extra protein. In reality, we eat more carbs, fats, and proteins than anybody else. I'm trying to act my brain though, that's nutrition.
Starting point is 01:20:28 I can buy in on that for sure, but I'm trying to think about the latest waves that have come through in terms of workouts and popular styles, and we've gone through the hit phase, we've gone through CrossFit, we've gone through some online programs. And I think that, you know, on some level, like these in-home, like apps,
Starting point is 01:20:51 and it's gonna be, you know, more of a thing in terms of like having cables available or just everything at the house. I'm not too sure it's gonna win, but I think it's gonna be pushed on people a lot. Well, if you're gonna go that direction, I can get on board that Justin, because I think I'm gonna lose pushed on people a lot. Well, if you're gonna go that direction, I can get on board that Justin, because I think I'm gonna lose my nutrition bet to Sal.
Starting point is 01:21:07 I actually think that we are in the middle of watching the rise of powerlifting. The way we saw in bodybuilding, the way we saw in bodybuilding, the men's bikini, I will call it, men's little slip-pid, right almost called it. Men's, men's, little slip-head, right talking to shit.
Starting point is 01:21:27 Fuck, man. Those are your people, dude. Men's for Z. You know, women's bikini, that thing has exploded in the last five to six years. And that it was a crazy, that's a crazy fat still going. I mean, that's now the thing.
Starting point is 01:21:43 It's become extremely popular for any guy or girls getting on social media that's into fitness is like doing their first show. And posting their bikini pictures or their men's physique or whatever pictures. So I think we've been in the middle and probably reaching towards the peak of the bodybuilding trend that has really blown up.
Starting point is 01:22:03 I think we're gonna see that in powerlifting. Which I think is really cool, because we've talked a lot about the benefit of powerlifting, I think, at least for me, when I first came into the space, you really looked at powerlifting guys as like the guys with the big beer belly, and they were strong, but they didn't look healthy,
Starting point is 01:22:23 or you didn't wanna be. And so I think it got a real negative, I think it was negative for a lot of people. You looked at it and you go like, it's not really so. Well, they're super aggressive. Those gyms are very like not inviting in your environment.
Starting point is 01:22:36 You know what the irony of that is? They're the friendly, the friendly people every person. Powerlifting gyms are, all gyms, most gyms believe or not, the hardcore people in gyms always are trying to be friendly to people and stuff like that. It's what you'll find in gyms are all gyms, most gyms believe or not, the hardcore people in gyms always are trying to be friendly to people and stuff like that. That's what you'll find in gyms.
Starting point is 01:22:49 But power lifting and strength gyms are friendlier the bodybuilder gyms, 100%. They're the friendliest gyms you'll ever be in your life. They might not look like it because there's chalk and fucking rust and metal playing in the background and people are bleeding because they're lifting so heavy. But you go in there and you're brand new, they will spend their time.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Well, if they get the buy-in from women and like, like CrossFit did, it's happening. That's already happening. It's happening. What I mean, just look at social media right now. I mean, back when I powered lifting, I didn't know any girls that power lifted any girls. And I knew a lot of guys had just had no desire to it. It was a very small niche.
Starting point is 01:23:24 And now you're seeing it's growing for sure. And I'm happy about it. I followed powerlifting for a while, like I followed bodybuilding. And what you saw with powerlifting was, it started to increase in popularity. This is in the, I wanna say in the mid to late 90s. And then the equipped competition started taking over
Starting point is 01:23:43 where guys were wearing, you know, squat suits and just all these crazy shit and getting all these crazy totals. And then they lost popularity because everybody was like, well, they had like shallow looking squats and it was all kind of. Wasn't that like, you know, with bodybuilding, they got so big. Yeah. Yeah. So like, it's where they brought like the men's physique and it just blew up.
Starting point is 01:24:04 Right. And so what happened with powerlifting is they brought the raw category where you just wear a belt and maybe knee wraps. And that really increased its popularity quite a bit. And then here's the other thing. Powerlifting from a for women. I love it for women. Here's why. And I love it for men too. But oftentimes women tend to, and this is generally speaking. See the most benefits for men. Well, in generally speaking, women oftentimes deal with body image. So do men, but oftentimes a women work out,
Starting point is 01:24:33 there's this body image stuff that they have to deal with. And competing in powerlifting is a phenomenal way to take your focus off of your body image and onto performance. So if you're a woman and you're feeling insecure about your body and you're working out and you keep looking in the mirror and in my body chain, it makes things worse. It can make the body image worse.
Starting point is 01:24:52 But if you go to the gym, I did this as a trainer before powerlifting started becoming popular or whatever. This is exactly how I train women with body image issues. I'd get them in the gym and I'd power lift them and all we would focus on would be their strength. So their focus would turn from how I look, how I look, how I look, to how strong am I, how strong am I. And then the side effect, of course, was they looked better, they built more
Starting point is 01:25:14 muscle, faster metabolism. And so that's why women are really are flocking to power lifting is they're finding that empowerment from it where they go to what's not about how they look. It's all about how they perform. And that's a breadth of fresh air if you're always concerned about how you look. Well, and the trainer hack that you your time are now because I've found the same thing too is you what you realize is when you get them focused on that not only do you help them with body image stuff, but then you also end up increasing their metabolism like crazy, which only ends up helping when you go back to sculpting.
Starting point is 01:25:41 It's great carryover. Yeah. When you get back to time, when you get to a client and you get them to stop looking at the mirror and their scale and how much they weigh or look. And it's like, let's talk about your squatting and your deadlifting and how that's increasing. And if you can get them focused on that for months and then you and convince them that like,
Starting point is 01:25:57 this is what we're gonna do first. It's just focus on this. And then we're gonna get to that ultimate goal of the bikini body or whatever it is that you wanna look. Don't worry, I've got that just trust me, I'm going to take you there. You'll focus them all on the strength area, which ends up happening as a side effect,
Starting point is 01:26:11 is while they're building all the strength, they end up building their metabolism up, which only makes your job as a trainer to reverse them back the other way and shred or lean them out. So it's... Oh no, I agree, I think powerlifting is starting to get really, really popular,
Starting point is 01:26:24 thanks to the raw lifting movement. Thanks to women entering, anytime women move into a market, that market explodes and they are moving into powerlifting. And I don't know if you guys ever been to a powerlifting competition before. The camaraderie and the vibe is amazing. And I think part of the reason why it's amazing
Starting point is 01:26:45 at a powerlifting event is because the results are conclusive. Like you either lifted more than me or you didn't. So you either learn to be humble or nobody wants to fuck and talk to you. Whereas when you body build, oftentimes it's subjective. It's always subjective. And then there's always arguments and debates out there. Yeah, who's better?
Starting point is 01:27:02 When you go out to like, you did lift it, 605, I did lift 600 pounds. Congratulations. You're better today. and debates out. Yeah, who's better? When you go out there, you did lift it, 605, I did lift 600 pounds. Congratulations. You're better today. We're done. Like no discussion about it. That's it.
Starting point is 01:27:10 And everybody's super cool and it's very, everybody wants you to do well. It is. And it encourages, here's why I love it with women as well. It encourages women to eat more food. And sometimes that's a fucking hard thing to tell a woman to do when she wants to lose weight and she comes to the, you know, to hire you as a trainer. But if I get her to focus on her strength, then getting her to eat more sometimes is a lot easier. So it's a great, now look,
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