Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1086: The Impact of Food Quality on Muscle Growth, How Aging Affects Fitness, Leg Press vs. Barbell Squats & MORE

Episode Date: July 31, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why people can leg press a much higher weight than they can barbell squat, whether poor food choices slow down the amount of muscle you build, how getting older affects progress in the gym, and whether there is any validity to “health at any size.” The GAME-CHANGING benefits of the ChiliPad ‘Ooler’. (4:49) How Justin enjoyed the ‘comedy’ of the Twilight series. (11:50) Recapping the Mind Pump Live event in Seattle, WA. (14:28) Anti-manspreading chair designer receives 'backlash'. How memes are today’s political cartoons. (23:18) Mind Pump Recommends ‘The Great Hack’ on Netflix. How people are NOT that hard to manipulate. (26:27) How the times have truly changed... Teen 'Fortnite' champion won more than Tiger Woods at the Masters. (38:47) What is good leadership all about? (42:44) Mind Pump sends their deepest condolences and prayers to all affected by the Gilroy Garlic Festival tragedy. (44:30) #Quah question #1 – Why can I leg press a much higher weight than they can barbell squat? (46:22) #Quah question #2 – Do poor food choices slow down the amount of muscle you build for the hard gainer? Or does it not really matter as long as you hit your surplus calories? (55:47) #Quah question #3 – If you are over 40 years old and train, you get better and stronger but are still getting older. How does getting older affect your progress in getting fitter? (1:05:17) #Quah question #4 – What are your thoughts on the whole body positive, fat acceptance movement? Do you believe it’s a step in the right direction for self-acceptance or is it normalizing eating disorders and obesity? Do you believe there is any validity to “health at any size”? (1:12:08) People Mentioned 4x Mr. Olympia Physique Champ (@jeremy_buendia)  Instagram Shawn Rhoden (@flexatronrhoden)  Instagram Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned July Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!! **Code “ANYWHERE50” at checkout** Visit ChiliPad for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “MPOOLER” at checkout**  Philips Wake-Up Light Alarm Clock with Colored Sunrise Simulation and Sunset Fading Night Light, White (HF3520) Underworld (film series) - Wikipedia ZUM Fitness | Pursue Your Fitness Journey in Downtown Seattle Student creates chair to put an end to manspreading | Metro News The Great Hack | Netflix Official Site Fortnite gives away $3 million to its first-ever solo world champion, a 16-year-old from Pennsylvania Jordan Peterson’s guide to leadership Watch Fed Up | Prime Video - Amazon.com Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of The Mind, Pump, hey guys! Look, we talk about fitness, health, building muscle, burning body fat, making yourself a better person. But we also have a lot of fun in this episode. Here's what we talked about in the introductory portion of this episode, it's the first 47 minutes.

I started out by talking about the game changing chili pad, uler device. I put on my bed and it cooled down my bed and made me feel amazing. Actually had some of the best sleep of my life. And by the way, we are sponsored by ChiliPad. And we do have a massive discount for you. Just go to ChiliTechnology.com forward slash mine pump.

When you go there, they're going to have codes for you for the biggest discounts that you can find on the ChiliPad and the Uler. Then we talked about the movie Twilight apparently Justin watched the whole series over the weekend and gave us he gave us his rundown. I highly suggested. It's a comedy. We talk about the Seattle event that we had over the weekend. Seattle, great town, great people. Again, we thank you guys for coming out. Good times.

We talked about chairs that were invented to prevent both man spreading, and then somebody invented a chair to prevent she bagging. So, back to portal. So, I'm so scared. I'll be so scared to Google that term, by the way. We all talk about the documentary, the great hack. This is a must watch on Netflix. If you can get around the slanted political angle of it,

it kind of highlights what's happening with our data right now and how it's being used to manipulate us. Yeah, it breaks it all down. Also, somebody won the Fortnite tournament, $3 million, they won more money than Tiger Woods did for winning the Masters. Boy, is that a sign of the time? Those video game playing days or pain off.

Pretty awesome. I talked about some studies with mice that displays how fairness is an important component of leadership and hierarchies. And then if we give our prayers out to anybody who suffered from the tragedy in Gilroy at the Garlic Festival, we're thinking about you guys. Then we get the fitness portion of this episode.

The first question, why is it that I can leg press so much more than I can squat? So we kind of break down the differences between those two exercises and the benefits and detriment. The next question, do poor food choices slow down the amount of muscle you can build for a hard gainer? In other words, if you're somebody who has tough time putting on muscle, should you just eat a ton of calories, even if it's from garbage, or will you benefit from eating healthy food? Next question, if you're a 40 year old and you start training, you get bigger and stronger,

build more muscle, burn more body fat, but you're still getting older, how does age affect your progress? So we talk all about aging and progressing in the gym and the final question. This person wants to know what our thoughts are on the whole body positive, fat acceptance movement. Also, final day, this is it.

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Ah! I've been telling you, fool. Dude, finally, finally you're on board. Dude, well, when you look at the, well, for the people who don't know, for the people who don't know, for the audience who doesn't know, the chili pad or the uler, which is another one of the products,

that's the one I use. It's basically a pad that goes under your sheets on your bed. So you take all the sheets off your bed, including the cover that goes over the mattress. And you lay this very thin light pad that goes over the bed, and then you put the sheets over everything. And the pad uses water.

So it's water that circulates through it, and you can like a grid of little pipes. Yeah, and so there's no EMF, right? There's no electronics in the actual pad on the bed. And what it does is circulates water and it keeps it at whatever desired temperature you want it to be at. So if you want it to be warm, it could be warm.

If you want it to be cool, it could be cool. And if that thing could get cold, and you can get down to like 50 something degrees. And so, you guys used it, you guys raved about it. Before I got mine, I did some research on the things that impact your sleep the most. The things that impact your sleep the most. And the obvious one being a dark room, that's a big one.

If you sleep when there's something, if your room's totally dark and there's no light coming from electronics, whatever, that makes a difference. And then the temperature, the temperature of the room and your body makes a huge, huge difference on sleep quality, massive difference, one of the most impactful things you can do. So I was excited to try it out.

So I put it on the bed and I got, they sent me the uler one, so I've got two sides, right? So my side could be different temperature from Jessica's and I could program it to change throughout the night, which is really cool. I haven't done this part yet. This is really cool now because, well, I also have a memory foam mattress

and for a lot of people who own a memory foam, they're awesome, They're very soft. They conform to the body. They get hot. Yeah, they do. They reflect your heat back like crazy. So in the summertime, it's just stupid. That's why I don't like them.

Well, now that I put the chili pad ula on there, and I keep it at about 62, it just, you know what it feels like? The best way to explain it is to people who don't know what this feels like, what I'm trying to say here. When you're in bed and it's hot and you slide your leg over to the side of the bed that you haven't been on, and you feel that nice and fresh and cool.

Yeah, or the cool side of your pillow. That's what it feels like, but it's always like that now, even if I'm laying on it because it's circulating this water and cooling it down. And what I did is I adjusted the temperature so that, I found the right temperature the temperature so that I, I found the right temperature for me to fall asleep,

but then I set it to go up and warm up right around when I wanna wake up. Yes, yeah, I haven't done this yet. Now here's what's cool, because I have that alarm clock, right? Remember how I bought that alarm clock that simulates the rising sun? I got that one too, man, which I love,

because I don't get that, you know, it just slowly glows slowly glow starts to nice little birds chirping. Yeah, the glow gets brighter and brighter and brighter So simulates the sun rising and my body wakes up more naturally. Well, temperature does the same thing as the sun rises It starts to warm up a little bit and that tells your body to wake up So I've experimented with this now because I've had it now over the weekend And what I did was is I didn't set any alarm or anything and that tells your body to wake up. So I've experimented with this now, because I've had it now over the weekend. And what I did was, is I didn't set any alarm or anything. All I had was the chili pad.

And I had it set at 62 for me to go to sleep. So it gets ready, so I go to bed. I usually am bed by 10, so I set it at nine. So by nine p.m. it's on and it's cooling the bed down. I get in there, it's already 62. I set the alarm for 6.30 on the other thing, on the chili pad. For the temperature to go from 62 up to 74,

and I didn't set anything up, I didn't do anything else. No alarm clock, no nothing. Sure as fuck, I woke up, but it felt like I didn't get woken up by any of you. It just felt like I... Not because you peed the bed either. Not at all. That's my worry. That's what I haven't done yet.

That's just like, ooh, this is nice. Oh, yeah. I'm awake. I wanna wake up again. So here's what I'm doing now, is I'm doing all this research into how body temperature changes while you sleep. So I don't know if you know this,

but your body temperature naturally drops, I believe two and 3 a.m. And then starts to go up a little bit. So I'm gonna start messing with it too, because you can have several temperature changes throughout the night to maximize your sleep or whatever. Here's the other thing I noticed. And I don't know if it's because it's,

if I'm sleeping better or because it's cooler, but have you guys noticed you wake up less stiff? Have you noticed that? Hmm. That's interesting. I haven't really tried to- I don't know, I haven't put that together yet. Yeah, I'll have to check that out.

Yeah, I don't know if it's just because I'm sleeping, because I'm sleeping deep. I'm sleeping harder. I've told you guys forever. My heart, right? Yeah, sleep way better. Especially traveling and then coming back, I had such better sleep, but I didn't know if that was just

a ton of different factors. You know, just being in a different place and not having it. I wonder such better sleep, but I didn't know if that was just a ton of different factors, just being in a different place and not having it. I wonder if Uler could fix crying babies, because if it wasn't for him, just put one in there. Because when we first got it, I had it before Maximus came, and I was having full night rest all night long,

but that hasn't happened anymore. But it has nothing to do with the temperature in my bed because that's all good. You will never, ever, ever have a night sleep as restful as the ones you had before you had kids. Ever. Even my kids are, or, you know, they're older now. My daughter's nine, my son's 14. They, I don't, they don't wake me up in the middle of the night.

Obviously, they sleep throughout the whole night. You still don't sleep, but soundly because you still worry. still worry a little bit of worry there Courtney wanted to ask Oolive there's like a fart filter coming in like three point oh That would help they actually sell charcoal underwear with a charcoal lining do they really swore to God? Oh, yeah, it's it's underwear and then that this the patch there's like a strip that you know goes down with it for the butt crack Is it's is that really a thing? Is it work?

I've never tried it, but charcoal does absorb things. Yeah. It does. That could probably find it on my- Dude, I'm so curious. Charcoalined underwear for parts. Yeah. Oh, dude.

It really is not a problem. It's just fun to tell. I feel like if Justin wore the charcoal line, you know, underwear for that, he would just blow the charcoal out so that, so that, there's just like black dust, like, and pelting everybody with dust.

Yeah, it didn't work. Oh, here we go. So you tell the awesome. No way. Yeah. Wow. What's that called? Settle butt. Settle butt. Settle butt. Settle butt. Oh, what a great name. I got to put on my settle butt. Yeah, you know? Yeah. but subtle but subtle but subtle but what a great name. I got to put on my subtle but yeah, you know, yeah, that reminds me that's funny.

I was gonna bring it so Blair, but I was watching you guys remember that twilight series with the vampires. It's good movie. Of course. Are you serious? The first one's good. Come on, dude. Oh, the first one's good.

Okay, so I was dying, like dying laughing because of all the powers they gave them. We're so ridiculous, dude, they're so dumb. Like, okay, so this girl, she has like a power to like put like a bubble over her. So like people can't like influence her and she's like putting bubbles over people. So I got the bubble power.

Then you got one that has like a shoot smoke, like a smoke screen out. And then like, like, wait a minute. It makes people paralyzed. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. There's a glitter one.

You just, we got to go glitter after. We got to rewind for a second. Yeah. Because the first one was, I thought, okay, it was a good love story or whatever. I could see why kids liked it. There was a lot of them after that.

This was like the last one. I feel like you watched them all now. No, I for you to know all this. No, it was funny because we wanted to put something on that was like, you know, light and not heavy because there's much of heavy stuff in the news. And so this was like, we put that on and I was just rollin', dude.

There was so, you have to watch just the last one because it's like everybody using their powers against each other and dude, like where did they come up with this? It was like, I know who's in a relationship, that's my power. Yeah, you're like, what the fuck is, that's so lame.

Yeah, we gotta bring back the worst. That's more synoquial, man. We need the lost boys, the buyers. Yeah, they need to eat them. I don't think I've seen them while I was. Oh, bro, it's comedy. When I was a kid, I identified much more strongly with werewolves. People were like, oh, vampires, like fuck vampire, I was a kid I was I identified much more strongly with werewolves

I people are like oh vampires like fuck vampire don't be on werewolf. Yeah, where you guys there? Do you ever have that choice when you're like things to yourself like well? Remember they had the the series that I do like is which the one with the vampires and the werewolf that are competing In each other and under yes, yes, I was a cool series. Yeah, I like the underworld But I'm more vampire. They just got more swag, dude. Yeah, they're all seductive. Yeah, they get more style, better looking.

Where was it, like cool. They're pale. Yeah, pale. Yeah, I always thought I'd be a vampire of where was. Yeah, during that series, that series that you're talking about, because that's what I'm thinking about. What other movie was there like vampires and where was? I don't know, man.

I used to love werewolves and I was a kid. I thought that was the coolest monster, you know? I actually used to do this. I'm actually a werewolf in London. Yeah, I actually used to do this. This is so embarrassing. When we would be driving home late at night from some family member,

and I'm probably like seven, or I don't know, seven or eight, and it would be a full moon, and I would just stare at it while my dad was driving. Like, come on, you could do it. Like willing it to happen. I'm just gonna have to squeeze it out. I know I'm gonna do it, be aware of that. Nothing happened.

Yeah, I got weird. I just got a barrier in the soul. Hey, what'd you guys think about Seattle? Great. It was a good time. Great. It was hot. It was a little hotter.

Yeah, I didn't realize. You know why? Because Seattle's not supposed to be sunny and hot. What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. There was no. It was a little hyzer. Yeah, I don't really like you know why because Seattle's not supposed to be sunny and hot What the fuck yeah, yeah, there was no AC in our Bad for the fan. We were trying to we were trying to get those heat shock protein Sweat lodge in there. Yeah. Yeah, no, is it every time we do these man. I have such a Such a great time. I always leave with this just renewed sense of I have such a great time. I always leave with this just renewed sense of,

like just drive and purpose and integrity. And I feel like, okay, we gotta do this, we gotta do that. It just feels, it's amazing to see all these people that choose to, you know, listen to us, they choose to follow us. It's like a crazy honor, you know, each time. I don't know how,

speaking of the audience, I tell you what was really interesting. And those that may not know this, I don't know if you saw the vlog that Drew did a few weeks back of Denver, but when we do a live event, we actually talk about the topics that we're going to bring up potentially at the beginning, which we don't do that on the show. The show is very, we just go, right, pick our questions for a quan, and then we get going, and it's not as organized. And I think that's just because we're in a live audience, we wanna make sure it's not fucking dry and terrible

so we kinda go over that stuff. And one of the things that we talked about before we would go to the event, we're like, man, we gotta bring up all this crazy news right now with Jeremy Windia, with Larry Wheels, and with what's this Sean Roden write? All these big time body builder people get. Fitness influencer guys.

Yeah, right, fitness influencer people. We thought we literally thought we have to bring this up because everybody's gonna wanna hear about it. Right. And so we're doing our show or whatever, our live show. And you know, we're bringing things up and talking about them. And then I bring up Jeremy Blendia.

And we're, now this is an audience of 100 something people. And nobody knew who the fuck he was. One person. Yeah. One person, I said, hey, do you guys know, if you heard about the thing with Jeremy Blendia and everybody looked at me like I was crazy, I said, who knows who Jeremy Blendia is?

He was cricket. One person. It was the funniest thing we've done yet at a live event that like totally shocked the ship. Well, okay, we're gonna move on. No, no, it was the funniest thing we've done yet at a live event that like totally Shocked the ship. Okay, we're gonna move on. No, no, it was it was really cool. Yeah, I like it I like it because it's it's showing that our audience is You know every day fitness people people who want to work out and get it's not and we do have the hardcore You know body, you know, fizzy competitors and bikini commercials that listen to us and stuff, but it's a small segment of our audience.

Right. And it is a niche, that is a very niche market. The average person has zero idea who those people aren't could give a shit about Mr. Olympia and all that stuff. But for me, it was really an example of how much we've kind of outgrown that like when we first started, man, I was right in the middle of competing. We were going to my shows.

We were always talking about that stuff because it was what I was in the middle of yeah and it just was a reflection of how much the show has kind of changed and molded and the audience that we have I wish I would have found that out before I brought that up so funny because you brought it up too because that's something I probably would well now I'm going to talk about this and you guys don't really give a shit, dude. Is that an amazing thing? Yeah, exactly. This is all I brought. Yeah, it's a little strange. Yeah, but it's always interesting. It's funny. And then the questions are always different. Each one of the events, and I think that it's great.

Some people try to get deep and have these really, like, want to appear into our individual lives and all this, but then some some of them are very specific, you know, very, very specific to like, you know, certain names in the industry and like, you know, what are our like exact thoughts about that? And so it's, it's fun, man. It's almost like, like, wheel of whatever.

Like, here comes, yeah, wheel of questions. It's almost like, it just makes it more exciting because you just don't know now. This was the oh, okay, who had family there? Both you guys did yeah, yeah, yeah, you had your cousin there and then yeah, oh and her their baby was so cute There was two babies there. Yeah, there were two. Yeah, that was cool one was from my friend Hannah came and she brought her little baby So we had two babies in the audience, which, you know, we're not really an appropriate baby show. I mean, it's, yeah, we're not good for babies. I don't know.

I love it. But it was, how was it fitness? How was it for you guys doing that in front of family members? Oh, you did this last time with your mom was last time. Yeah, so the last two, I've actually had family, right? So, well, I actually, Katrina's mom and sister came to one of the other events. So her parents, her mom and her sister came to the San Jose event. My mom came and her husband came to the San Francisco event.

And then now I have my cousins came to this last event in Seattle. So I've had family there at everyone, all of them. I, no, personally, I, I prepped them ahead of time that, hey, I love you guys, appreciate the support, but I actually asked them not to ask questions and to not come over and really talk to me very much. Doesn't mean I don't go over and make sure I made sure I went over and said hi to my family and stuff.

But I just know that what happens every time at these events is, I try my best to make sure I get, like, some try to get quality time with everybody that's there. I mean, we keep it intimate enough to where it's not like this, you know, where you don't get a talk. I mean, we try it all, I think at one point, one of us touches everybody, right? At one point, one point, all of us get a good conversation, I think, with everybody, because it's a small enough group, it was just a hundred people there.

So, yeah. a good conversation I think with everybody because it's a small enough group, just a hundred people there. So I asked my family if they show up to these events, I appreciate the support and all, but leave the talking to me when I can see you on a normal family event where these people, I mean, fuck to you, some of these people are traveling somewhere from Alaska. Yeah, yeah, you almost feel like I definitely want to talk to people that have made that kind of an effort to come see us and You know connect with them you know in person and so when I had family there It's again. I should have probably done a little more prepping with it But it was again, there's no context there like is none of my family really even listening to our show So it was kind of weird. It was like she she had no idea, my cousin had no idea what to expect. But she was like, it was weird, but it was really

cool, you know, to see you guys, you know, and your element and answering, you know, these questions for people and stuff. And I was, you know, she's like, it was like a proud sister out there, you know, watching you guys up there. So it was cool. So I didn't have any family for this one, but the last one, not all two shows ago, right? We went to San Francisco and I had, I don't know, I think I had like nine or 10 of my cousins and close family members there. And I get up to, and I remember feeling,

just a twinge of this, which was this feeling of, because you have a dynamic, there's different dynamics that you have with different circles and groups of friends and family members. And with family members, the dynamic sometimes can be like back when we were kids, you know, like if I, like they know me a different way

than maybe you guys do or maybe then the audience does. So I remember feeling that for a second like, but then being like, no, this is the dynamic that I'm gonna present, this is what they're gonna see and whatever, but I could feel how it's interesting, to have people there who've known you for so long. It was really, yeah, it was really strange, and I was dealing with that a little bit,

because again, she had no idea. I'm a totally different person than I was when I was in high school and all that. So that was interesting. It was a real interesting experience for me to have somebody that has known me since I was like, when I was in high school and all that. So that was interesting. It was a real interesting experience for me to have somebody like, there's known me since I was a kid. Did you see me now, like, what we do? It's totally different.

Oh, and there was a gym over there. So when we got there, we all had planned on working out, but Adam had to take a nap. Oh, there. Yeah. Zoom is it, is it pronounced zoom or something? Zoom. So you missed out on this gym, which was nap. Oh, there. Yeah. Zoom is it, is it pronounced zoom or something? Zoom, zoom. So you missed out on this gym, which was phenomenal.

It was rad. Awesome gym down the street from where we were staying. We walk over there and it's like a personal trainer gym, but it's pretty decent size. And we go in there and I talk to the manager and I tell him who we are and I say, hey, can we film in here while we work out? And he was super awesome about it.

Met two fans in there. They took pictures with us. Great place to work out. So if you're in the Seattle area, that's a true trainer gym. Yes, sure. Was it a private gym or is it a public gym? No, you can pay a day fee and become a member, but you can tell that they're geared towards personal training and clients.

Oh, yeah. So but it's bigger than just a studio. Got it. Smaller than like I would say, a huge 24. Yeah, like a huge general, whatever. But great place. It was a great space. We go back up there, that's definitely the place

I'm gonna, I wanna work out at. They had like all the functional stuff and heavy bags and I mean, Justin was loving it. They had chains and all that stuff. It was a good place to work out. So check this out. Did you guys see the chair that that one, this woman invented this chair and then she got

like all these awards for and it was to prevent man spreading. Did you guys see this? What? Wait, what? Yeah, that's the dumbest thing you ever seen in life. Okay. So you know what man spreading is?

No. Okay. Or you just, I mean, we're opening it up so the boys can get some breathing time. So it's this big, it's this complaint that some people have against men saying that when we sit somewhere, we man spread, we take up a lot of space in that it's sexist or whatever. Oh, God.

You serious? Yeah, yeah. It's the thing? No, no joke. This is a real thing. I crossed my legs. People are stupid. Yeah, people are stupid.

Anyway, whatever. But it's a big thing and it's like this, whatever. So this woman invented a chair that'll prevent man spreading and it won awards. Now this chair has to be. Please, please, for the subject. Oh, there it is right there. It's basically a fucking V that goes,

so you're sitting on it and it forces your legs together. See on the right. That guy looks real. Yeah, man. Except it's the legs together, see on the right. That guy looks real. Yeah, yeah, man. Except it's the most uncomfortable chair of all time. Can you give me a zoomed in version of this stuff? Yeah, of course. It looks like the most uncomfortable chair of all time.

And if you flip it around, then it becomes a spreading chair. So you actually use it both ways. But anyway, they release this chair, this woman makes it, releases it, wins awards, but then it becomes this joke on the internet, and memes are made of about it like crazy. Everybody on the internet is just destroying it, making fun of it.

It's called an anti-man spreading chair. I can't believe I've never heard of this. So yeah, so dumb. And she won awards over. She won some awards. Look how uncomfortable it looks. Look at the back. Look at the fuck you're sitting on. Yeah, get out of here. So dumb. And she won awards over. She won some award. Look how uncomfortable it looks. Look at the back. Like what the fuck's you sitting on?

Yeah, get out of here. So dumb. But anyway, everybody's making fun of it on the internet. Total joke, stupid, right? Dumb complaint. But anyway, I get being, you know, what's the word?

Not, you know, being conscious of people around you. I get that, but I hate the whole like, let's slap it on man and make it a man. Anyway, so it turned out a big joke. So the sky invented a chair in retaliation, thought it would be funny. And he came out with the anti-she bagging. And this is a chair that's got a hole in it, and it prevents women from using the chair next to them to hold their bags. So men man spread, which takes up a lot of space, and women put their shit next to them to hold their bags. So, men man spread, which takes up a lot of space and women put their shit next to them

and then you can't sit down and share. I thought it was quitshee bag in it. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. That's brilliant. Yeah. Oh my god. That's good times. Where do you find news like this? You know what, dude?

I get, here's, I have a 14 year old son that looks at memes and sends me shit and then people send me memes. And memes are today's political cartoon. And satire. You will get your finger on the pulse of what people are thinking and not shit. And so there it is, German company events,

subway seats against she-backing. It's like a toilet, a toilet seat. Oh my god. Isn't that great? Oh, it's so good. Anyway, speaking of modern times, I watched that documentary on Netflix, which was the great hack.

Oh, great hack. You could, we all finally watched something. At the same time. Dude, yeah, watch that. So I'll give the audience a little bit of a rundown. It's a documentary. And it's about how tech companies are using data on you and doing it brilliantly to, in ways to influence you to vote in particular ways for political

parties. And I thought it was, that part was phenomenal and brilliant and a little bit, scary's not the right word, but eye opening. Well, they've created personality profiles from all these data sets that they're able to aggregate. And so, yeah, so they know your tendencies, they're getting really, really specific and good about like you know, your tendencies. So I really enjoyed it. Although it was extremely slanted.

Oh, the spin they put on it was stupid. Right. Because the spin they put on it was to show how the Trump campaign and the Brexit campaign who both used this company called Cambridge Analytica. Well, didn't Obama's administration use it previous to that? That's the thing. They were the first to do that. Why didn't they, that get highlighted? That's the thing. They were the first to do it. Why didn't they, that get highlighted.

That's the thing. The spin is stupid. It's, everybody is trying. Everybody wants to win. Everybody's trying, all political parties are trying to do everything they can to persuade us. And just like everything else, it's a market. And the market, there's a lot of money in that market.

I think the last presidential election generated a billion dollars. There was like a billion dollars worth of donations or whatever. So with that much money and that much power, remember this. Government has their hands in the market. And whenever anything that any, if you're a referee in the game, it becomes valuable to try and influence the referee. And the government has their hands in the market. And so there's a lot of money that goes into trying to get political parties to win because

then they can influence business or whatever. And so tech, big tech is a big part of it. And what they're doing and what they're doing very brilliantly is they're able to through these data points which they can gather at like 5,000 of them on you if they want easy. They can very accurately predict which direction you're going to go and how to target you. That's all it is. It's targeted.

And they're targeting the ones that look more indecisive. Yeah, but like which side to go. And so it's okay. Now you're going to get inundated with their campaigns, like like very specific type of imagery and things to kind of get you to think in their direction. And there's I don't see anything wrong with it. This is just an evolution of what they've always done. Yes, smart.

I mean, it's smart and it's inevitable what's happening. Sure. I found it interesting when she made the statement that data has surpassed oil as the, as the, as what's more valuable as the most valuable commodity on earth right now. Absolutely. And that to me is really fascinating. Now I did like her argument about your personal data, data that's on you that you should own it.

You should have ownership. I think I might even agree with that. And here's why I agree with it. Because I'm trying to use an analogy that I think all of us can kind of understand, okay? If we look at the market for food, it's relatively free in the sense that, as long as they don't poison you, food manufacturers can design foods

to attract as many customers as possible. And with modern technology, they've been able to hack basically, you know, basically, palatability. They've been able to hack, basically, you know, basically, palatability. They've been able to hack how foods make us feel to the point where they spend a lot of money in science and they design and develop these hyper-palatable foods. And at the end of the day, we do, it's our choice to buy the food, they can't force us.

But they've done such a fucking good job that they've made everybody fat and sick. And so, when you look at data like this, I get persuading people, but this is getting to such a point where they can literally psychologically manipulate you with news articles, alerts, ads, everything. In terms of the using the si-offs and that argument

of like the same tactics that they used to influence like an entire group of people, it's like they literally can do that pre-acquering. They've been doing it, they've been doing it forever. That's the point. Just like we've been trying to make food tastier forever. Yeah. They've been doing this forever. Yeah, but to the people they, but now they're fucking at a whole other level. Well, that's, I think that's a great analogy because and at the same point, I don't believe that I don't hold those companies accountable for that. I mean, it's, at the end of the day, it still is your choice. The end of the day, you still allow yourself to be persuaded.

Like, it is your final choice. Nobody forces you to vote a certain way. Nobody forces you to buy the Dorito bag. You make that more effective marketing. I believe, exactly. I believe in free will. I believe that we should be able to do that. And I believe companies should be allowed to target you.

That is tough though, because I mean, if you do look at it and look at how far apart we are from each other now in terms of how strong it's emboldened certain viewpoints and how they've been able to manipulate people and sort of expose a lot of shit in terms of the Russians coming in and then building up these forums and things to get people against each other like it's it works.

But again, it's been happening forever and again, again, it's been happening. Until your responsibility. It is. Until your responsibility to fact check all that bullshit. Here's the thing because there's you always got to look at the other side too, the positive side. Like I think of something, for example, on what we're building currently here right now. So as we attract more and more leads into our community, part of what happens on the back end is us trying to segment our audience. So we know what content we should serve those people. Now, of course, we come from a better place. We're not trying to manipulate you to vote one way or

another, but we are trying to segment the audience, figure out what things you're reading, what things you like to listen to. That way, if we, what we don't wanna do, let's say, for example, let's say we have 100,000 emails, we don't wanna send 100,000 people an advertisement for skinny dipped almonds or something that they're not interested.

But if you're somebody who loves that stuff and has already bought it a bunch of times before and there's a sale going on it, we want to be able to show that to the 5,000 people that would love to get that. Just like, there's certain things that I do want to be served up because, and if we can build algorithms to figure out what things that we're interested in and we do want to know about or we are interested in listening or learning, then I do want that stuff sent to me. So there's a positive side to that too. Yeah, no, no, I'm on both sides.

I do think the data that's collected on us, I think there's an argument to be made that we should be able to own that and that we should be able to access it. Like I should be able to go to a company or an advertiser and say, what's the data you have on me? I agree with that. I agree. I know about me and what you think about. I agree that I should know who has my data. Like that I agree with.

That's fair. That I could see as being fair, but you're absolutely right. This is a game. It's been the game forever. Now that documentary tried to spin it to make it look like it's only the Republicans and it's only conservatives. It's just a complete fucking bullshit. That's all the Republicans and it's only conservators here among them.

Complete fucking bullshit. That's all crossed the board. All the sides are doing it. They're all using their best tactics. Yes, it's just who's winning, who's doing a more effective job. But dude, here's a thing that, and people, we've known this for a long time, you know, people are not that hard to manipulate. Well, that's my concern.

They're not. I guess. Yeah, because, I mean,, in seeing like what's going on with China and just like how everything, like they just have so much say and control over like the entire population because of the fact that they can just add these little, you know, parameters around what's gonna, you know,

they're gonna like or not like and it's gonna affect all everybody's behavior. Don't you feel like this is the natural evolution though? Like this to me, this is what will evolve us from not being easily manipulated. Because it is so easy that in the future or of us this being around for a long time, people will be like, you idiot,

just because you read that on Facebook, now you think that, that is gonna be said more and more times going forward that it's going to force people to evolve and become a tipping point with it. Yeah, right, it's gonna get so crazy that we talked about before, what's real, what's not real, that it will force us as a society to start to fucking do our research,

to fact check things, to not just believe it. Well, what it really is verified information. Well, to me, it seems like it's the natural progression. The check some balances is that there's people in opposing sides that are using the same technology and trying to influence the people who are, you know, straddling both sides of people who haven't made up their decision.

If you're a hardcore conservative, a hardcore liberal, they're not targeting you. You're there. Then I'm gonna waste their money or time with you. But, majority of Americans are actually somewhere in the middle, believe it or not. Less and less people now associate with one side or the other. And they're going to be targeted by both. They're definitely going to be targeted by both.

But I don't know what it's going to look like in the future, Adam. If we enter into a future, will we distrust everything? Because when you distrust everything, and that's the future we're headed. With AI, you know, computer-generated faces and characters that you can't tell the difference, they could take my voice and make it sound like I said something, they could, you know, who, I don't know what that's going to be like. A future we don't trust anybody. We don't trust anybody. Super apathetic about everything. Or is that going to open up a market for fact checking a verification and that kind of stuff, because people are going

to demand it. I think it should be both. I think you're both right. I think it will be like that. I don't know, man, it's weird, but people are very easily, super easily manipulated. Do you guys remember we were kids? You guys remember we were kids, all that hoopla that went around about killer bees come into the US?

Oh no, they're killer bees. Everybody a big, fucking big deal about it. Okay, they're still here. Nobody gives a shit anymore. Nobody, nobody here, have you heard anything about no Killer B? Nobody cares. They're still fucking here.

They were like in New Mexico last time I heard. The reason why it was a big deal is because they decided to make it a big deal. And fucking the news articles, and everybody freaked out about it. That's how I feel about the internet and social media in general. Like I feel like there's been things that have always been happening,

but it's not really that frequent. It's just that there's a new platform to really expose it like real time. Think about it this way. Or more people know that now. They think they did five years ago. It still works though. Think about it this way.

It's still the beginning. How many murders do you think happen every year in the US, right? Tons, right? Thousands of murders can be a massive country. Thousands of murders happen every year. Of US, right? Tons, right? Thousands of murders can work massive country. Thousands of murders happen every year. Of those thousands of murders, there's gonna be at least a few

that were committed by an illegal immigrant. For sure, it's just odds. Numbers, the numbers, it just has to happen. I'm sure that's just get that specific information and put it out there like it's an epidemic. Yeah, and make it a news article. And it's true, they're not lying, but now because you're an undecided voter, they're gonna fucking keep, every time an epidemic. Yeah, and make it a news article. And it's true, they're not lying, but now because you're an undecided voter,

they're gonna fucking keep, every time an illegal kill somebody, that's the article you're gonna see, even though maybe it makes up less than 1% of the murders, now it's skewing your percent. And I'm just using one example. And that's a perfect example of what's happening right now. It's already happening right now.

And what's gonna happen though five, 10 years from now is everyone's gonna be privy to that. Right now people are, there's a lot of dumb people that don't know me better, but we are also a bunch of dumb cavemen at one point running around too. That's what I hope that will happen, is eventually everybody will know that.

That's what I hope, dude. That's the natural progression of all of this. But that's what I hope. But you know what? I hope you're right, but I think so. You guys read that meme that I shared the other day. It said, hey, remember when we used to think that if everybody just had access to all the information

that everybody would just be smart and understand things. And here we are, access to all the information. And everybody knows more, but there everybody's also seems to be dumber, seems to be less wisdom and less logic. So I don't know, dude, I don't know if that's the answer or if it's just going to, who knows, it's an idiotic. Yeah, but I thought it was fascinating. I don't like the slant. I did think it was fascinating. I think the future of political part, I mean,

let's, let's watch what happens. The Trump campaign was just better at it than the, than the Hillary campaign. And Obama did it better than his competitors. Let's see what happens with the next one, you know? It's kind of interesting. Yeah, you want to know, I talk about changing times. How crazy is this? So I saw this meme floating around and it was, I brought up at the live event.

I don't know if you guys, my cousin, her husband works for the company who does Fortnite. I forget the name of the company who owns Fortnite. Oh right. And he told me that that weekend while we were up there that they were giving away $30 million in prizes. They had a big tournament. And they had the big tournament, right?

Yeah, so they're easy. For a video game. The guy who won, he won, it was just announced what yesterday or day before, he won 16 year old kid, won $3 million. First place. Oh my God. And the massive year is parent, dude.

Yeah. And the meme that was floating around was him holding his trophy up. And then it because it kind of looks like a golf trophy. And you've got, you got tiger woods holding up a master's trophy. And his purse, what he won for the masters. And then what? His kid won. And it's crazy.

Think about that. I mean, golf, we've known for a long time. Very long time is a very prestigious sport. It's always been some of the biggest purses and money to be made there. It's up there, right? Yeah. So to see this, you know,

make more video game for a 16 year old, I mean it's crazy how my whole other league different world. How yeah, right? How much does times change? And you should see, did you guys see the audience? No, same. Oh, bro, it's packed arena watching these watching these kids play. It's insane. It's only going to get bigger.

Epic games. Oh, yeah. No, this reminds me because I was reading, I might have brought this up. I don't remember on the show, but I was reading the far side, like one of the books to my, to my kids. And I saw one of the cartoons, it had this kid sitting in front of the TV, like this old, and this was probably,

I don't know, early 90s, maybe even earlier than that. And this kid's playing like a remote controller, he's playing video games and the parents are behind him, like having this like thought process of like, oh, you know, our kid, like it's this wanted ad that says like, you know, if your kid is really good at Mario Brothers and you know, awesome at like Zelda and this and that and the other, like we'll pay like $100,000

and it was like ironically, like you'll never make money playing video games, so that was the joke, right? And to see now where we are, this is like the perfect example of like we're completely in a different world It's funny to me too because you think about what's happening and like sports with concussions and injuries and all the Argument over who should make money and not make money if you're in college or pro and all that shit And then you see like this rise of this the virtual world and people making more and more money that way. It's like, it makes me wonder, are we going to see this flip flop in our lifetime where it's, it's less cool to play sports at your, like, is it still when you're in high school,

the Letterman's jacket to be a plane in a sport, do all those things like that, like, that's still like a cool thing. But is it going to flip flop where less and less people are, you know, striving to play professional sports and more and more of them are rather play it on a virtual virtual world. Because you can make as much money, you're safe. You don't fuck your brain up whatsoever. There's way more people that have that can, you can be all shapes and sizes and still be bad ass in that world. Like, it levels the playing field. Interesting.

I think so. I think it will because kids watch way more video games than they watch sports. And as they get older, they're the spectators. And what are they gonna wanna watch? Are they gonna wanna go to a Fortnite tournament? Or are they gonna watch a live golf game or whatever? So that's the future right there.

Go on YouTube. The kids ain't watching clips of athletes doing shit. No. In fact, a lot of kids don't even know the names of athletes, but you ask them, you ask kids who won the Fortnite tournament. You know Tiger Woods did, they'll be like, no, who won the Fortnite tournament? They'll give you the kids name right away. Crazy. Yeah, it's pretty insane. I was watching a video last night on, I was watching a Jordan Peterson talk and he brought the one you sent over to me.

Yeah, and he brought up a couple studies that I thought would really illuminate what good leadership is all about, right? So he talked about how in the animal kingdom, animal animals will develop kind of hierarchies, just like humans do, where, you know, some perform better than others or whatever. And he was talking about how they, hierarchies are not based off of power and tyranny. He goes, if they are, they get very unstable. And he says, like, with chimps, if there's a male chimp, that's just

the most dominant, but he just terrorizes all the other chimp's at some point. He's over thrown. Yeah, at some point, two or three of the other chimp's are gonna band together and kill him. And with mice, they did this mouse study, where mice like to wrestle with each other and play or whatever. If you put a big mouse with a smaller mouse, the big mouse will dominate the smaller mouse, but if the big mouse doesn't let the smaller mouse win at least 30% of the time, then the smaller mouse will stop playing with him. So the big mouse, although he's dominant, still understands that he has to let the other guy kind of win every once in a while.

You see this with dogs. And so this is fascinating. This is interesting because good leaders are people who are not, like everybody thinks they can move you see the bad guy or the boss or whatever He's an asshole and he drives everybody and he's that's not actually a very effective, you know leader or boss You're not gonna keep a lot of people around. No, no, no. Anyway, I thought it was really cool You gotta make them believe they still have a chance, right? Give him some wins around

That's what I usually do with my brother playing ping pong all the time You feel a little bit of wind here because otherwise, yeah, you'd stop playing. Yeah, I don't know what play with you doing. Yeah, I mean, it's just common sense. Yeah, anyway, I wanted to say a few words to the anybody who knew anybody that was in the at the Gilroy, uh, uh, uh, uh, Yeah, what a tragedy. Unbelievable.

Terrible, uh, mass shooting right in our backyard. Um, I, I'm so so I almost went. Oh, yeah No, that's fucking common my Katrina's family is there almost every year I'm surprised they weren't there this year. We were all freaked out about that. Yeah, so and have you have you heard how many total? I don't know I was like 15 injured 11 was the last I had there was a six-year-old boy Oh my god That kills me inside. Yeah, it destroys me. Yeah, and they shot the guy.

Like, I did it, you got killed. Oh, and now are we on to the bottom of why he did it? Or do we know what it was for? I don't think that's been released yet, but yeah, I was watching it was three, and then there was four total, like, dead counting the shooter. Yeah. So, did the cops shoot him?

Yeah, he shot him? Yeah, yeah. Now, what I'm glad so far is they haven't shown the name or the face of the shooter. Yeah. So I'm the cops shoot him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now what I'm glad so far is they haven't shown the name or the face of the shooter yet. And I hope they don't right to get them. Because we found in studies that when we when we show the guy and we you know when we give them a lot of attention it encourages more crazy fuckers to do shit like this. But if they don't get the notoriety, it kind of stops it, you know? Yeah, pieces shit, anyway. Terrible, you know, prayers go out to all the people

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That's a large a N I F I dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout All right, a first question is from coltski Cox Why can I leg press a much higher weight than I can barbell squat? Alright, a first question is from Koltzki Cox. Why can I leg press a much higher weight than I can barbell squat? That's because it's not a real exercise. Oh, but get all the way. Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh- as a barbell squat and that's because you're not supporting the weight with your whole body. You're obviously sitting in a chair and you're pressing weights with your legs.

So there's a lot more needed from your body to do a barbell squat than a leg press. That also being said, a leg press doesn't give you a lot of care over in comparison to a barbell squat. So if you want like real world applicable strength, getting stronger to barbell squats, gonna give you far more than a leg press well because the leg press is a machine. Unless you're like up kicking somebody, right? Unless you're doing exactly that. You're also working on that.

Like in MMA or something. Well, I think this goes back to like why we still connect like the burn and the pump to an effective workout, right? Because someone who doesn't know any better, doesn't understand the central nervous system and how that works and plays a role and just feels the workout, you can do a leg press and get a massive pump and legs be burning and be sore the next day. And so why doesn't that compute to the same gains

that I would get from a squat? So this is more common than I would think that part of the reason why I wanted to talk about this because I know that we kind of scoffed at it at first because we expect if you've been listening to my pump forever that you understand the importance of barbell squat, but the truth is, I mean, I was one of these kids that fell in this category,

that leg pressed forever and didn't barbell squat, but the truth is, I mean, I was one of these kids that fell on this category, that leg pressed forever and didn't barbell squat. Why? Because I wasn't good at barbell squatting. My low back used to bother me all the time. And I could do a leg press really good and it gave me a pump on my legs. And therefore, I justified training that way forever. And I know I'm not alone in that. So there's probably a lot of people that don't understand how much more benefit that you get from the barbell squat. And the main one that I want to point out, even though there's there's many reasons why that was the really kind of open my eyes was the the benefits from the central nervous system that you get in comparison. And I love using the

analogy that Sal is using. And so if you've been listening to podcasts for ever, you're probably tired of me referencing that analogy. But I think it's such a powerful analogy for people when they are trying to explain to them the benefits of the central nervous system or the role that the central nervous system plays. And that's thinking of it like an amplifier to your muscles or your what we would say is your speakers, right? So if your muscles were all your speakers and your central nervous system is your amplifier, you the amount that you build, how much stronger you make your amplifier by doing an exercise like a squat in comparison to that of doing a leg press is dramatic. And if you know anything about

speakers and having a powerful amplifier, like you could have the awesome speakers, but if you don't have a great amplifier, they'll never be producing what they're fully capable. No, a barbell squat just calls upon far more muscles and a barbell squat is a far longer and larger range of motion. A leg press is a very short range of motion. If you look at a leg press, even if you do a good leg press, I'm not even talking about the idiots who do the two-inch leg press at the gym because they want to look cool. I'm talking about people with decent mobility and hip mobility because a leg press with good range of motion requires some of that,

otherwise your low back kind of rolls off, which by the way makes a leg press actually very dangerous for the lower back if you don't have that kind of mobility. But even a full range of motion leg press, you're not fully extending your whole body like you are with the squat. It's a larger range of motion. Something that's more comparable to a barbell squat would be like a machine hack squat or whatever.

It's a larger range of motion. Now with the leg press, you can pile on the weight. You can add a lot of weight, but, you know, your body doesn't know how much weight you're lifting. It just knows tension. And so if I do 300 pounds on a barbell squat, full range of motion, and it feels hard, and I do 500 pounds on a leg press,

and it feels not as hard. My body knows the tension. The barbell squat is heavier, even though the weight is lighter. Does that make sense? And so, that also you have to factor in. So sometimes we look at the lake press and we're like, wow, I can do 800 pounds on that. It goes good thing too.

It's on a track. You guys just say it's on a sled at an angle. The angles are completely different. If you want to look at the force vectors and everything involved in the gravitational forces, way more intense when you get a barbell squat. And like you're mentioning, the lever is a lot shorter. And so you can kind of get away with adding a bit more

load to that because it's, I mean, really just pushing a sled on a track. That's the extent of it. And again, back to the CNS benefits from it. I mean, when you get under a squat and you put a barbell on your back, at your traps, your forearms, your biceps. So much more.

Your shoulders, your upper back down to your lower back, your entire but your toes. Your core, you gotta get tight. Yes, your entire. I think that's the stable your lysis finds. Your entire body is woke up and ready, and it has to be, because you're getting squashed. You're getting squashed by this weight that's on your back.

And so the demand that it puts on the CNS, which the demand that it puts on it to adapt and get better and more efficient and stronger is so much more than what you would do sitting on any machine and the leg press is one of those. And I like the leg press for an accessory. It's something that I could build volume with it.

I could add it in. But I mean, squat is always going to be king for me. And that's something that I'm going to keep in my programming, but then sprinkle in leg press. Here's the great machine. Here's where I love to throw my leg press in when there's a week where, you know, because I'm typically, you know, squatting some form of a squat at least two to three times in a week. And sometimes I overreach. And my low back is sore as hell. And my hips are super tight. And I'm just, I overdid it. Then

the next training session when I'm hitting legs again, because I'm practically doing them almost every other day, I might do leg press to kind of pull back on the intensity of the training because I kind of overreached a little bit from my squatting too heavy or too hard. So I think it's great, it's a great tool, but you can't even compare the two.

They're gonna close. It's one of my favorite machines. Leg press is a good machine. I would consider it more of a mass building, muscle building machine than most other machines, but I agree, I don't think it's in the same category. I could think of five, at least free weight exercises that I think will be superior to a Lake Press.

But if you wanna add a machine to your arsenal, a Lake Press would definitely be a leg press. But if you want to add a machine to your arsenal, a leg press would definitely be a good choice. One of my favorite, you know, leg building muscle building workouts that I used to do back in the day was I would do barbell squats, and then I'd do leg press. And that's a great exercise. Now why did I do leg press after squats?

Squats make your whole body tired. Leg press, I can sit in the chair, brace my body, and now just wait. I just feel like you need to be doing a ton of volume in your workout to even justify throwing it in there because like you said, I just think that the lunge, the Bulgarian split squat, the sumo squat, the front squat, the back squat, the step up, the barbell hex squat, all of these I think should be in the routine before the goblet's qua.

I mean, there's so many other exercises that are going to give you more bang for your buck before the leg press. Now, if you are training a ton and all those ones I just listed are regularly showing up in your workout, then why not throw a leg press in there every once in a while? It makes total sense, but even step ups. That's what I was wondering. It was one of what I said. I mean, hit those big rocks though.

Hit the big rocks first. And if you are addressing all the big rocks and hitting all those movements that we just listed off, then yeah, why not throw leg press in there too? Yeah, but machines also offer a little bit of, let's say you have some pain in your hip and you're working on mobility, you can use machines at times to work around them

while you're working on mobility as well. And machines offer that, it's more supportive. I remember when Justin, your hip was hurting and you were doing all that stuff and it was too sore to do anything with the freeway and you did the leg press, light or whatever. And it made your hip feel better, it became a part of your protocol or whatever.

Yeah, it's a rehab tool. Yeah, so I think there's a value there, but for most people, there's no comparison. You're just not, look, I used to do this experiment. I don't train as heavy as I used to, but I used to do this experiment all the time, especially as a kid, I would just do leg presses and hack squats and then I would just do barbell squats.

And for my legs, there's like a half an inch difference in terms of their size. When I squat, they get bigger every time. When I stop squatting, no matter what, I could do leg press and everything else. They just don't develop as much. I'd see this with clients as well. So it's just a much more effective exercise for most people, and pretty much all parameters. Next question is from Mark Wol's, do poor food choices slow down the amount of muscle you build for the hard gainer, or does it not really matter as long as you hit your

surplus calories? Absolutely. Boy, as a kid, you know, trying to pack on size as a what I thought was a classic hardgainer. I understood calories early on, right? Early on I understood, oh, I just need to eat more food up. And I became indiscriminate about what that was. I made sure to eat protein, of course, because I read that protein builds muscle. And then it was just calories. And it was milkshakes and ice cream and burgers and fries and pizza and whatever I could get in my face

to gain more calories. Now was this an effective strategy? Well, when I was younger, it was somewhat effective because I didn't try to eat more calories with other types of foods. I found it difficult. Mainly because I wasn't preparing my own food. It was easy for me to buy other things.

And those foods are tasty. And so it's easy to eat a lot of calories when eating those crappy foods. And so I did gain some weight as a result of it. Now, would I have gained more muscle had I done it the other way, where my food choices were healthier? I 100% agree.

Poor food choices make you feel not as energetic. They affect your digestion. They don't give you the quality of nutrients as quote unquote healthy foods do. And all that stuff takes away from your body's ability to build muscle. If you're not as healthy and you're pushing calories, you might gain more body fat, but I don't know how well you're gonna build muscle. If you're not as healthy and you're pushing calories, you might gain more

body fat, but I don't know how well you're going to build muscle. You're fighting against your body. And to stay that way. Exactly. It's like trying to build an engine that rose faster. And gasoline is going to be the number one thing that's going to make the difference. That's your calories. Right. So I'm making sure you have adequate calories. Being in a calorie surplus is going to be the number one thing for the hard gainer for sure to put on any sort of size Whether it be good or bad weight So that's that's the gasoline

But all the other things the timing belt the oil like everything else that the tires on the car all the other things that are Factors of making that car go faster are definitely and that's all your your micro nutrients your macro nutrients and I think good Sourcing too, but would you say to sell if you were to compare like That's all your micronutrients, your macronutrients, and I think good sourcing, too. Would you say, too, Sal, if you were to compare, like, you know, if it was straight up, 30 grams of protein, where you source that your body would assimilate it differently? Well, protein quality, you know, makes a little bit of a difference, but the big difference for me is just health. Your body's ability to adapt to your training, which is, you know, when I say adapt, I mean build muscle, burn body fat gets

stronger, right? So it's adapting to the stimulus. Your body's ability to do that is just better when you're healthier. It just is. And unhealthy foods promote poor health, both through poor digestion, you know, and far more stuff, inflammation. You can cause more inflammation in your body. Gas, blood, all that fun stuff. You can, look, I had this experience with my boy, like my son right now is in this process of maybe he's trying to put on a little bit of size and build some muscle. And so he made the mistake of just eating a shit ton

of garbage. He went to the mall with his buddies and he ate, you know, a bunch of burgers and onion rings and a bunch of stuff all at once. You know what ended up happening? He felt sick to a stomach and didn't eat for the rest of the day. So he kind of negated.

Right. And I told him that. I'm like, we'll see how you feel. You feel crappy. Now you don't want to anymore. So it was kind of a waste. Right. It's funny because that used to be the mentality was like it's... You got to get over the hump of feeling bad,

like slamming down so many calories. Like it was like... You have to... There's like a threshold. And you think it's going to get better on the other side of that. Like, you know, slamming these protein shakes and just constantly inundating your body with like a ton of bad calories that make you feel like, yeah, you have indigestion, you have all these symptoms.

Well, this was one of the big game changers for me, being somebody who had a hard time putting weight on for a long time as a kid. Was because I took a page out of your son's book. That's exactly how I used to eat. I was just peanut butter know, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and protein shakes and McDonald's and chicken nuggets and just anything I fries, everything I get my hands on,

I was just consuming. And what I found what would happen was that stuff would, would it would either fill me up or make my stomach, it would satiate me so much that I wouldn't want to eat for the next four or five hours. And then even when I did eat, I still would have some residual. It would still be full from the food that I ate four or five hours ago.

When I started to clean the diet up and eat things like, you know, chicken and rice and stuff like that, I found myself hungry at every meal. Easy to digest. Yeah, my body was ready to eat more again, which helped me get to those high calorie numbers that I need. If I wanted to, if I needed to eat 4,000 calories as a kid, to make sure that I put on size, man, if I were to have a 2,000 calorie McDonald's lunch, it made it really tough to get the other 2,000 calories the rest of the day.

Then you're going to get the performance dips. I remember that. Being so overwhelmed and It's hormones dips. I remember that, being so overwhelmed and like, oh, I couldn't have a really good performance in the gym as a result. No, look, one of the challenges, if you're a real true hard gainer, one of the challenges is getting more calories. So you do wanna eat high calorie foods,

just make them whole natural ones. So when we say eat healthy, I don't mean like eat chicken breasts and half a cup of rice and you know broccoli Just hold for a minute. Go go for the skin of the chicken chicken thighs Go for you know full fat ground beef 80% you know ground beef mixed in with rice Make your rice with some bone broths. You add some extra calories in there put butter in there Which is a good source in your coffee your coffee. Cover your vegetables in olive oil.

You know, drink, if you can tolerate milk, drink a glass of whole organic milk with your meals. If you wanna make a shake, make it with frozen berries, add maybe some healthy protein, some peanut butter. Like there's ways you can add calories, but in a healthier way, ways that are not gonna make you feel shitty some healthy protein, some peanut butter. Like there's ways you can add calories, but you know, in a healthier way, ways that are not gonna make you feel shitty and make your performance worse.

I remember when I was, I remember, I think it was 14 years old, 14 or 15 years old, my parents went to Italy for a month and a half, and so my siblings and I went and stayed with my grandmother. So I'm at my grandma's house and I have an old school at Ty and Grandma and her favorite thing to do is feed me. And so she'll just ask me what I want

and once she sees I like something, that's what she's gonna make. She'll make a lot of it. So she's like, what do you want? And I'm in the middle of like lifting weights and whatever, so I'm like, I like steak. She's like, okay, well, what about pasta? I'm like, well, I like this kind of pasta. I like steak and then I like salads. So I'm like, I like steak. She's like, okay, well, what about pasta? I'm like, well, I like this kind of pasta.

I like steak and then I like salads. So she's like, okay. So for a month and a half, my grandma made me like two or three steaks every day. Every single day, bowl of pasta, two or three steaks, whatever. I didn't have garbage, I didn't go to McDonald's, I didn't have candy, none of that shit.

I just ate what my grandma made and I was, I could, I remember, I gained like five pounds of muscle, and I remember thinking like, oh, that's what I gotta do. Everybody needs it. I gotta just make, I gotta eat like real food. That's what's gonna put the muscle on me instead of what I kept trying to do.

I also think that there's a major individual variance between people too. I think there are exceptions to the rule that some people just assimilate food differently and their body will take Taco Bell and they can as long as they train, their body still puts on muscle and it's not a problem. They don't need as many calories maybe.

So I think that you got to understand that too if there's somebody who's asking this question or listening to us answer this question and they're like, well, that's not true. As long as I do this, I get the, like, yeah, there's... Yeah, you could still put on muscle, but at the end of the day, you had asked yourself, okay, you want to gain muscle,

but do you want to be healthy as well? Because here's what'll happen to you, or here's what may happen to you, and the odds are actually quite high, okay. I know a lot of people in my age group, and a little bit younger, I know people in their 30s and 40s who came up through the fitness industry alongside with me. And a lot of them did that, a lot of them ate

the shitty food to pack on muscle. Most of them, most of them. In fact, I, if I think right now, all of them now have issues with food, digestive issues, have issues with either SIBO or they can eat certain foods anymore and now it's very difficult. So, you might be able to get away with it when you're younger but you keep pushing that and then it'll make it harder for you to gain muscle. You know, harder is for me to bulk now compared to when I was a kid. If I push calories now, my digestive starts to get more tolerant towards milk and

way products. I used to be able to take protein shakes from way. I used to be able to have milk and cereal. I used to be able to take protein shakes from way. Yeah. I used to be able to have milk and cereal, I used to be able to have gluten all the time. Yeah. And I've pushed my body to the point now where I'm high percentage. I know I had a conversation with my friends and that was like the top I get hand was just all those protein shakes.

Like none of my friends can drink milk anymore or like have anything dairy. And like I survived somehow because I'm eating cheese like. Yeah. Well, like have anything dairy. And like, I survive somehow, because I mean cheese like race. Yeah, well, you think you survived. Yeah, that's good. Let me tell you. Yeah. And they doubt a lot.

We aren't making it out like. You get the backlash. Next question is from Carolina, Ms. Polly. If you're over 40 years old in train, you get better and stronger, but you are still getting older. How does getting older affect your progress in getting fitter? Oh, great, great, great question.

Towards the back half of my career as a personal trainer, a lot of my clients were in advanced age. So they were far older than 40. Most of my clients were 60 and older towards the back half and One thing that I loved about training these people was just how much better I could make them in comparison to their peers When you found you know when you see a 60 year old Or a 50 year old or a 70 year old, or a 50 year old, or a 70 year old, whose exercises regularly in Eats Right, the difference between them

and their peers is light years. Now, the difference between a 20 year old who exercises in Eats Right and an average 20 year old, there's still a difference, but it's not nearly as big. It's not as drastic. No, man, the older you get, the bigger that difference gets. Now, does that mean that if you're working out now and you're 30 and you keep working out and you keep eating right

and you turn 40, 50, 60 that your body's not gonna decline? No, age gets all of us. All of us are gonna experience the effects of aging, but it is, you are gonna, you look like a superstar. If you maintain your health and fitness. Dude, I fucking tell you what, man, for most of my life, I was trying to be the buff dude

in the gym now because I got gray hair. I stand out more. Now when I work out, people come up to me like, oh man, you know, how do you keep doing what you do? How do you look like the way you do? Because they look at me and they think, oh, this guy's a little older, but he looks relatively fit.

I don't look as fit as I did when I was 30. It just, it makes such a huge difference as you get older. Your body still declines, but you slow it the fuck down. And you maintain yourself way, way, way long. Now that being said, I mean, I'm sure you guys have also trained somebody who didn't even get into fitness until they were in their 40s or 50, even I've had clients that, old, that at the first time they really decided to exercise and make healthy choices weren't until they were 50, and are 55 now or older,

and are in the best shape of their lives. That's right. So even though, father time gets all of us, and it's the older we get, the more challenging it is to build muscle, to burn body fat, to move good, it doesn't mean that somebody who's 50 years old right now can't put themselves in the best shape of their lives. It's all relative to how you've been training your whole life.

Now, we'll sell at 70 be as strong as sell at 30, probably not, because sales been consistent since he was 13 years old. So the difference between you at 70 years old versus somebody who decided to just start exercising at like 50 or 60 years old, I mean, it's all depends on the person and where they're at in their journey. No, fitness and nutrition is about as close as you can get to the fountain of youth that exists.

There's nothing that comes close to what those things can do for your body and your mental health. I mean, that's another big one too. You wanna talk about your mental health. The dementia rates are going through the roof right now just because people are getting older. One of the best things you could do to prevent dementia

is lift weights, lift weights, eat right. Your odds plummet in terms of, you know, your odds of getting dementia. I mean, it makes such a massive, massive, massive difference. I can't stress it enough, but you're right Adam. I knew a lot of people, many of my clients got in the best shape of the life in the 40s and 50s

because they had never worked out before. And your body never loses its ability to adapt. Now, it loses its potential. So as you get older, your ultimate potential starts to drop, but the day your body loses its ability to get stronger is the day that you die. As long as you're alive, you still have an ability to adapt. And I've seen, I've seen changes in people in their 80s that would blow you away. I mean, I had clients in their 80s who, you know, needed assistance during the lives.

And then they didn't need it anymore after training with me for a year. They can now do function on their own. Bring them to the pen. Well, I wonder too, and I know it definitely ages always gonna be a factor. The patterns are gonna decline after a while have yield less and less results,

but if you're still working at it, it seems like maintaining, but you're really just like just a bit above the decline, right? But in terms of us getting stuck in certain patterns and certain ways of being able to feel like we're getting back in shape versus really adamantly trying to seek something that's going to challenge us in a whole other direction, I feel like that might be a factor too. You get more set in your ways as you get older and you know the formula so to speak and you're not really seeking that

real growth still. Yeah. As you get older, your body's ability to recover and adapt slowly starts to decline. The amount of workload that your body can handle when your 20 is higher than when you're 30, and that's higher than when you're 40 and so on. Your body's overall potential for a beating to be able to handle a beating goes down. Part of that is cumulative. I've been working out for years,

and so I've just got these cumulative little injuries at pile up, but it's also part of its age. As a kid, I used to be able to walk into the gym, literally beat the crap out of myself, and a day or two later, I'm fine. Now it might take me a week, you know, to recover from something like that. And I just pay more attention to, and here's the thing, the same rules apply, you should be listening to your body and modifying your workouts based off of what your body's telling you, whether you're 20 or whether you're 80. I mean, that never changes. But it is the absolute most important thing you can do

as you get older. And one thing that Justin was saying, I wanna kind of re-emphasize is, and I experienced this with some clients. I had some clients that were in their 70s who stopped training with me for whatever reason and the decline that they experienced was so fast afterwards.

Because I don't think people realize that that workout, yes, we're slowly progressing but we're also preventing this rapid decline that can start to happen as people age. I had clients who, there's one guy I trained who was 72 years old and I mean, the guy, the guy would ride his bike all over the place, didn't even drive his car,

worked out with me three days a week, worked out on those own once a week, swam all the time, just incredible health and fitness in his early 70s. I have no doubt in my mind that he's gonna be extremely independent and mobile till the day he dies. And there's no doubt in my mind that guys are gonna make it for quite a while.

It was actually one of my more inspiring clients. I still love watching that. It's freedom. Next question is from Ali, Alessie, and PC. What are your thoughts on the whole body positive, fat acceptance movement? Do you believe it's a step in the right direction for self-acceptance or is it normalizing eating disorders and obesity? Do you believe there is any validity to health at any size?

There's a couple questions in there. We gotta go back to shaming everybody. Well, to answer the first one, we've answered all of this before, but I don't think there's health at any size, but I do think there is a large range that you can be very healthy yet. So, any size, no.

I mean, you can't be 500 pounds and, you know, 56% body fat and be considered healthy. Absolutely not. That's as bad as unhealthy as you can possibly get. So, no, there's not health at any size, but yeah, you could be, you know, I mean, personally, I can range from 190 pounds to as heavy as 240, and I can be healthier or less healthy at all those levels.

So the weight, your scale weight and size, less important, but there definitely is a, have you guys seen the documentary fed up by chance? No. Okay, so I've just heard about this and somebody was trying to break this down in terms of like two brothers. One of them was, they were feeding them the sex-sess amount of calories. One of them was visibly getting more obese as the calories increased, where the other one was pretty much staying the same and was like, really lean-looking.

And then they did a type of an MRI scan to show the tissue. The skiner one actually was way more unhealthy in terms of how they were storing the fat internally. And just thinking about that in terms of the perception of health and having obesity as being a visible sign, like you're lucky in a sense on some level that it's like I can see like my body's reacting to the fact that I'm displaying like more of an unhealthy look. Yeah, that makes that, I mean, that's true.

I can definitely get on board with that. I also look, the problem with the acceptance movement is that a lot of people are, they're interpreting it in ways to promote, to make things less healthy for themselves. So, two things I wanna talk about. First off, yes, you should love yourself regardless of what, airy-mati, yeah.

Regardless of what you look like, you should care about yourself. Now, what is caring about yourself actually look like? It looks like actions that somebody would take that care about themselves. So when somebody's 300 pounds and they're like, you know, no, I really care about myself. You actually, in some ways don't care about yourself.

If you did, you would not be, you would not be doing things to your body that are making you unhealthy. Now nobody's perfect. People who look very fit also do things to their bodies that are very unhealthy. So there's a little bit of confusion here. I think what people need to understand is that you need to not identify with your body.

That is not who you are. Don't identify with it. Like you have fat, you are not fat. Does that make sense? But yeah, this whole like, I love, you know, just the way I am and let's eat whatever we want. And this is me loving myself. That is not you, that would be like me having a child.

Imagine if I had a child and I'm just stuff on my kid full of donuts and everybody's looking at me, like what are you doing? And I'm like, I just, I love my kid. This is how, I'm loving my kid right now. I'm totally loving the fuck out of him and the doctor's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I love my kid. This is how I'm loving my kid right now. I'm totally loving the fuck out of them. And the doctor's like, your son has diabetes. I'm like, but I'm loving him right now.

That's not loving my kid. Loving my kid would be like, listen, we're gonna eat different foods now. You're unhealthy. It's not working for you. That's how we need to do this whole fat acceptance body positive movement. I don't think it's cool that people make fun of each other

or make each other feel terrible for their faults necessarily. I know there's an evolutionary role for that. We evolved to where society or our groups let us know when we're doing something that's maybe not good. So I understand the evolutionary role, but I also know it's mean. I know it's not cool I think people who who make a point to tell people that they're fat or make a point to make fun of someone because they're fat Is typically very insecure themselves right and has their own issues. They're just not as visible Their issues just they don't wear their issues on their body like someone who's overweight

I think you should still have empathy and care, but real and true empathy is honesty and integrity. The only reason why this movement got any sort of fucking legs is because this is what most people want to hear. They want to justify their behaviors. That's the reality of all this because a majority of what's over 67% people are obese, over 80% are caring over 20 pounds of weight on them, they shouldn't be.

All it is is that a majority of people just want to feel good about what they're where they're currently at and the reality of it is that no, it's not it. And whatever we traded for fat shaming, we've now replaced that with fitness shaming. I mean, that didn't exist to me 20, I never saw that 20 years ago, where now you see people shaming people for eating healthy or being thin. So we just replaced one group of shaming for another group of shaming.

We really didn't move anywhere as a society. I think it's really silly. No, I wish we were more supportive in terms of like, like progressing like, okay, let's get you back on the health path, but not, you know, not be shitty about it. Not be shitty about it, not shame or be negative about it. Just be like, as long as it's moving in the direction of improvement and not being so outside of reality in the fact that you can't pretend

and kid yourself that this is not, it is a sign of unhealth. Let's just be honest about it. Yeah, look, at the end of the day, the person who bears the responsibility for their own health is themselves. At the end of the day, they are the ones that are responsible. We have to allow that to happen. We can't do the false pretend Virtue signaling of all you know, I love all overweight people or I love all people and it doesn't matter and and you know

What just keep doing what you're doing. It's all whatever that's pretend empathy. That's that's not actually real Helping you know, it's like you have a friend who's a drug addict and your friend comes over to you and they're begging you for more drugs It's exactly what is you're an enabler. Yeah, a drug addict and your friend comes over to you and they're begging you for more drugs. It's exactly what it is. You're an enabler. Yeah. If you really like your friend, you're going to be honest with them and say, look man, I ain't going to give you more drugs, bro. It's not good for you. Well, and I think that, I mean, this goes with a lot of my belief system in terms of

all these issues. Like, tough love needs to come back. And it's love, but it's not always easy to hear. And I think that we need to do a better job of delivering it. So it's like people don't abuse the fact that I'm saying it the wrong way to make this person feel bad. That's not the way to use it. If you really want to, if you really care about yourself, if you really love yourself,

then the way you love yourself is through your actions. You take care of yourself. You have good relationships. You respect yourself. You feed yourself in ways that are healthy. Now, that doesn't look like a shredded person that doesn't necessarily look like a bodybuilder or a bikini competitor.

What it looks like is just you're healthy. And like we said earlier in this episode, health, good health comes at in a range. You can be really lean, you can be not as lean, and still have exceptional health. Obesity probably doesn't fall in that category though, and so you have to just be honest with yourself. And so it's okay to say, look,

it's okay to look in the mirror and be objective and say, okay, my body is showing that I'm not taking care of it so that I'm not taking care of it really, really well. Now does that mean I'm a bad person? Does that mean I'm in, you know, I don't deserve love, I don't deserve empathy? No, doesn't mean any of those things. I am not this body, I'm within this body.

So, so that's what you gotta say to yourself and just be honest and be okay and that's it. That's all it is. It doesn't have to, the pendulum doesn't have to keep swinging so extreme in the direction of either make fun of everybody, make them feel stupid, ugly and whatever, which actually drives moral obesity. Yeah.

And actually drives bad eating, you know, bad eating issues. And actually drives self hate, which then drives people not taking care of themselves. And then don't swing in the other direction to where, you know, fuck it, eat whatever you want. That's how you love yourself. You just fucking give in to everything and whatever and don't swing it in the other direction to where, you know, fuck it, eat whatever you want. That's how you love yourself. You just fucking give in to everything and whatever and don't worry about it. That's not the answer either.

The answer's somewhere in the middle, not the either end. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all absolutely free. You can also find us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam.

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