Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1089: Late Night Eating & Weight Gain, Favorite Lateral & Rotational Exercises, Obesity as a Disability & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:41 I talked about the virtues signalling celebrities all attending the Google summit on climate change. Most of them came in on their private jets. Oh, the irony. Yeah, that's why the climate is changing. Get out of your private jet. We talked about the giveaway. We're doing a crazy giveaway today. If you're listening to this episode when it's released, which is Friday,

Starting point is 00:01:02 go over to the Mind Pump Media Instagram page. We are giving away almost $2,000 worth of prizes. And it's amazing, amazing product. Really cool. Then we talked about Maximus, the prince that was born recently, Adam's little boy, and how Adam used the Jew of red light to help prevent John Dis, apparently that helps that.

Starting point is 00:01:24 And we also talked about how Jew has helped Adam grow back some of his hair, my brother, same thing, the skin benefits. Anyway, we are sponsored by Juve. They are the makers of the best red light therapy you can find anywhere. If you go to Juve.com, this is J-O-O-V-V.com-forge-sash-mind-pump, you will get a free Maps Prime program with the purchase of $500 or more and free shipping. Then we talked about light tricks. This is an app that's going crazy.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Got another $135 million in funding worth over a billion dollars. That's crazy. That's insane. He's a lot of people are using it. Crazy. We talked about the super plastic toys now that are using it. Crazy. Fakesters out there. We talked about the super plastic toys now that are using social media to build their brand.

Starting point is 00:02:09 So this is just natural progression of things, I guess. We talked about how one, out of every four door dash drivers admits to testing out your food so that little grubby fingers are in your french fries. Of course they are. And then we talk about mastermind groups and the massive ripoff that they are all over the fitness space and social media space Then we get to the fitness portion of this episode the first question This person wants to know what our opinions are on eating late at night Do you gain more body fat if you ate late at night? Is it healthier? Is it less healthy?

Starting point is 00:02:38 Does it matter at all? Next question this person wants to know what the best lateral and rotational exercises are. So lateral movements are things that make you move sideways, rotational movements, are the ones that help you rotate your body. So we give our opinions on our favorite exercises for those things. The next question, this person wants to know, look, they're working out their core. Is it important that they also do back extensions to offset the crunches and the sit-ups? And also, how should you breathe when working out your core?

Starting point is 00:03:08 And the final question, this person wants to know what we thought about the Supreme Court's ruling that obesity can now be a protected class of disability. So we don't pull any punches there. You won't want to miss that part. You just don't know what to do. You just don't know what to do. Of that episode.

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Starting point is 00:04:40 PRIME50, no space for the discount. Yeah. Whoever's last has to do dishes. Justin, I already have my headphones on, this isn't count. Now you gotta get the best people. Yeah, do all the dishes. Yes, speak in the mic.

Starting point is 00:04:53 You're on dish detail. Fuck dishes. Dishes, dishes, dishes. I'll just throw them on the trash. Who do you think does the least amount of dishes around here? In this room? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:05:03 Well, I think it's probably you. Oh, you think so. I'm thinking right now, Doug. I don't think. Doug is, you know, on his own. So he probably does all the dishes. Right, right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:13 Justin recently, I believe, got in trouble for not doing dishes. Oh, I'm doing more. Yeah, it was the past like year and a half. It's all, like, my, I'm vested in, in washing dishes. Oh, wow, really? See, I would have guessed Justin the lowest. Yeah, I do, in washing dishes. Oh wow, really? See, I would have guessed Justin the lowest.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Yeah, I do, I do dishes probably, I don't know, 30% of the time. Is that more than you or less than you? Well, that's pretty close. I would say I'm less than 50. No, I don't know, I'm close to 50, man. No, Katrina would say less than 50. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta,

Starting point is 00:05:40 the answer is what she would say. Yeah, exactly. That's why I had checked myself. I would say 50%, she would probably say more like 30%. Because I'm thinking like, I do the dishes all the time, but that's because I did him this morning. Yeah, I'm remembering that I just did them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:53 Well, I, I would like this, I would say that I probably dropped to that recently since, since Maximus, because one, we've had somebody in the house pretty much doing all that stuff, so I've, I've had a lot of relief there. But before he came, part of my morning routine was actually doing dishes every morning. And before I went to bed, so before I went to bed, I straightened up the kitchen in the living room. When I got up in the morning, I would straight up. And so at that time, I was doing probably at least

Starting point is 00:06:17 half. And I'm sure Katrina would say argue that or more. But since Maximus, I've let go some of those duties. I've kicked up daddy duties, let go of. Well, he's almost Molly made duties. You don't have that much longer until he does them. That's what I'm doing. Well, he's making his bed already. So I'm waiting for the dishes real soon. I'm starting to get ready.

Starting point is 00:06:35 I'm in training right now with that. So, yeah. With the kids doing it. Yeah, of course it slows it down, but I'm putting the investment time in. Dude, now are you, are you guys, you and your partners, who is the most anal about how dishes are done?

Starting point is 00:06:50 Like I have, I'm, I'm the most anal one when I come to 800%. Oh, they have to be done in a particular way. Yeah. Neither one of us really, not that big of a deal. So are you? They got to be lined up a very specific like anal retinive order and then also put away. It's never done the right way. It's never been explained.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Okay, no, it's just wrong. Yeah, so I'll explain something that I, terrible leadership that I'm particular about with the dishes and I remember like the first time I ever said anything about it, I get looked at like I'm crazy or what about that, or that I'm being super anal retretentive about something, right? But here's the deal.

Starting point is 00:07:26 A small pet peeve of someone putting dishes away in my dishwasher, aside from the guy who puts the massive pans in there, which I feel like you're that guy. No, I don't. Oh, you're dope. No, that's Taylor. Oh, Taylor, remember?

Starting point is 00:07:38 Oh yeah, Rachel was complaining about. Yes, so just, you use the whole bottom rack to just do like one big. Yeah, the biggest pot, right? It's like, well, you know, watch that shit. Right, so that's one peppy. The other one that I think not a lot of people pay attention to that I think is important is the silverware.

Starting point is 00:07:53 When you put the silverware in all the spoons, all the dirty spoons go in the one little square, all the knives go in another square. And why is because it makes whoever puts the dishes away, their job a million times faster and easier. And a lot of times people just put them face down or up. I'm open to it. Except for the knives, the knives have to go down.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Because we're all adults, I doesn't really matter to me, but I could see why if I had kids like my wife. You're either gonna sort them before or after. The sorting's gonna happen either way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. When you do a dish, okay, you just had dinner, and you had a fork and a knife and a plate.

Starting point is 00:08:28 The plate goes where the plates go, the fork goes where the forks go, the knife goes the knife goes the knife goes. There's no sorting going on right there. You're just putting it where it's supposed to go. It's automatic. Yes, it's automatic. So if you-

Starting point is 00:08:37 This is actually quite brilliant. It is, right there's no, you're forks in one square, you're knives in one square, you're spoons, they'll have their designated hands. Because I think every household would agree that we're even worse than doing dishes, it's probably putting dishes away. And that's what Rachel was bitching about with Taylor.

Starting point is 00:08:52 He'll throw everything in the dishwasher, but he never puts the dish away. And you know what, it's annoying to be the person who puts dishes away when the dishwasher is completely unorganized and you have to unload it, because then it's a past. The only problem with putting all the spoons in one Container or holder or whatever is that if the spoon if the back of one spoon Me just meets the front of another one and they start to Spoon yeah, that could potentially prevent the inside of one getting clean. No, it doesn't happen

Starting point is 00:09:18 No, the pressure that you get from those things have so much pressure You've already sorted this out sorted this out. This is the smartest thing you've ever said. Oh, yeah, it is pretty brilliant. You know, easily the best thing you're doing. Or you get the rack, I got it. It's all horizontal. You know, stack them all. Only took me a thousand, fifty episodes. It contributes to the past.

Starting point is 00:09:35 So, this is moments of brilliance. This is crazy. You know, one thing though, that I got like corrected on, which I totally agree with now was, you know, the aftermath. So you have the sink and you've done your duty, everything's out of there. It's all done.

Starting point is 00:09:52 I would just, you know, clean the sink like it's scrub and like in the countertops and all that. That took me a while to like, you know, I'm laughing. To do it. I'm laughing right now because everybody, you know, most people who do lots of dishes will be like, well, that's obvious. Well, I'm done.

Starting point is 00:10:04 It's not obvious. It's not. I used to do the same thing. Yeah. And I'd get hammered for it. The sink's dirty. Well, I'm just watching that. I'm just watching that too.

Starting point is 00:10:12 Yeah, but I remember I was supposed to clean this up. Yeah, I watched the dishes. What else do you want? Fuck, I'm not done yet. This is crazy. Here are the perks of the things that, like I think, as a 20 year old, I think I had animosity towards that I now respect is that, you know, my mom put our asses to fucking work early.

Starting point is 00:10:28 You know, say early I was taught. I was driving at seven. You had to do laundry, you had to do dishes, and there was a way to do all of it. And beat was a spoon if we didn't do it. Yeah, I love Adam's story. It's not me, man. I was baby to fucking hell.

Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah, your mom just stopped laying your clothes out. Let me tell you something dude, you have no idea. I had no idea how a dishwasher worked. I was fucking 19, 18, no, hold on, I was older, it's 21. I had no idea what it had to do with a dishwasher. I put the liquid soap in there, I don't know. I didn't know how to wash clothes. I went to the store and I bought, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:11:02 five different types of detergents. I'm like, I don't know which one it uses, the powder, the liquid, this one's a softener. What does that mean? I have no idea. It's hot, it's waterpods. Yeah, and then I'm like, do I, how do I separate the clothes?

Starting point is 00:11:12 Like white, but this one has some black on it, too. Does it go in the color? Because it's not completely white. It's a name between one. I don't know what's going on. I have no idea. No, it's crazy. I have no, I had no vacuum.

Starting point is 00:11:21 Okay, how do I get a vacuum? What does that look like? Does this, okay, let's just, oh, it looks like it works. Yeah. Nothing, I had no idea. I used my mommy I get a vacuum? What does that look like? Does this? Okay. Let's just oh it looks like it works Yeah, nothing I had no idea. I used my mommy's My mom would put my clothes away. She'd wash them fold them and put away for me. Yeah, you know, so I'd be like I'd be upstairs This is learning bro. This is this is 18 year old towel. This is me upstairs I don't have any socks Look in the bottom drawer on the left corner.

Starting point is 00:11:45 I left corner, I find them. You know, that was what happened. Let me tell you. Let me tell you, if you asked my ex-wife about that, that was a terrible way of raising your kid. You gotta make them do their own things. Yeah, I had no idea. Too much as possible.

Starting point is 00:11:59 And this is just, this is a cultural thing, I think. I mean, my dad, he said, you know, and this changed a little bit as my parents got older. Now, your ex grew up this way too, so she probably just fed right into it and took care, kept taking care of you all the time. She does this to my son and my daughter a little bit, and so we have, you know, but she's much better about it.

Starting point is 00:12:15 I think because she experienced first hand with that's like, you know. Haven't a husband like that. But dude, this is what happened. My dad would get up, and by the way, my father-in-law was like this up until his wife passed away. But my dad, when my mom and dad first got married, my dad would wake up in the morning

Starting point is 00:12:30 and he'd take a shower and he'd walk around his underwear. Because there's not, I don't know where the clothes are. And then my mom would get his clothes for him. And he'd tell my mom, hey, get to get my clothes out. He'd know to wear. She'd pull out and he'd go put them on. How silly is that? Isn't that funny?

Starting point is 00:12:44 It's so funny. It's so funny. It's so funny. So I was back to Rachel and Taylor. I was laughing when we were traveling. And Taylor and Drew, right? These are Rachel's brothers. The heavy bags come off the belt, whatever. They don't fucking do.

Starting point is 00:12:59 Rachel's lifting the heavy shit. They're like, whatever. Then we get on the train. Everybody's running because we're late. We squeeze on the train. We leave Rachel. I look at Taylor and Drew and I'm like, where's your sister?

Starting point is 00:13:09 We're like, I don't know. I'm looking after your sister. What do you mean you don't know? We see her squeezing in and the other car behind us. Hey guys, they call it by herself. You guys are terrible brothers. We're supposed to lift the heavy shit and protect your sister.

Starting point is 00:13:21 Right. Those are old values, though. Anyway. Well, she's totally the mom in that relationship. Oh my god. Oh, she's close. Those are old values, though. Anyway. Well, she's totally the mom in that relationship. Oh, my God. Yeah, she takes care of that. So, yeah, yeah. So much.

Starting point is 00:13:31 Yeah, she's already the mother of the two of them, so. Taylor won't wait in lines, you know that, right? Yeah. We get in line and then she'll get in line and then he'll walk away and she's like, she gets mad. Like, he'll never wait in line. Because you hold the space for him, right? Take it away from him.

Starting point is 00:13:44 He'll fight you for a couple months. Yeah, that's like the bags are like the sweatshirts and stuff that like poor courtiers, just like the kids will just like barrier with it, like anywhere. Oh yeah. You're carrying this, you're carrying this.

Starting point is 00:13:58 I'm like, no, you're carrying that, you're stuff. You know, I've always on them about that. Oh yeah. Oh no, Jessica's good about that because I'll tell my kid like, put a jacket on, it's cold, I'm like, I've always on them about that. Oh, no, Jessica's good about that, because I'll tell my kid, like, put a jacket on, it's cold, and I'll be like, I don't want a jacket. And I'll be like, we're a jacket. I don't want to wear jacket.

Starting point is 00:14:10 And Jessica's like, one time, just let them be cold, one time, and they'll learn. Right. And I'm like, all right, yeah, they get a, they get a shuffler through it. Yeah, sure enough, you know, we're outside, so you know, we're at some like farmer's market. Yeah, my daughter's like,

Starting point is 00:14:23 can I have your jacket? But I like, I brought mine. Makes you appreciate the heat that I'm bringing in. Remember what I house, right? Except by knowing my kids, my daughter especially, she's so hard-headed, she wouldn't even admit it, you know. Are you okay? Death chattering, but I'm fine.

Starting point is 00:14:38 I'm fine, this is it. Nothing. I'm fine. Your lips are purple, are you sure about that? Yeah. I'm okay. All right. So you guys know what virtue signaling is, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like,

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Starting point is 00:15:12 like how much I care. Or I'm enraged about an issue like recycling. Like, oh my God, there's terrible people in them and you go to my house and I never recycle, right? So it's like people who say one thing, but then don't do it. The worst people in the world at this are celebrities because probably because they're so good at acting.

Starting point is 00:15:31 This is what, and they're very good at knowing what people like. And so they like to project out how virtuous they are when the truth is, I'm pretty sure if we examine the average celebrity's life, they're probably the least virtuous people on earth, let's be honest. So anyway, recently there was a Google summit

Starting point is 00:15:49 on climate change. This happened in Sicily. So in Sicily, Google hosted this event to bring awareness to climate change, okay? So, Leo, Oh, Leo, Leo,

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Starting point is 00:16:09 Leo, Leo, Leo, Oh, Leonardo Caprio, Obama was there, Katy Perry was there. Did you see that video? Who is the rapper that had the video had like, Leonardo Caprio in it? It was like this animated big thing about climate change. Oh, oh yeah. Do you remember that?

Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot all about that. Anyway, proud of the name. Orlando Bloom, I mean, you had all kinds of just huge celebrities going to Sicily to just talk about how this is, just we need to fix this problem. I care a lot about it. They all flew there on their private jets. 114 private jets.

Starting point is 00:16:33 No way! 114 private jets. And that it itself, really 114. I'm gonna take my own private jet They're probably even think of it at all which blasts just way more CO2 than I'll drive in my car Now you're in your lifetime. Yeah, and oh people are showing up in their yachts. Yeah, you know a massive yacht You know much fucking oh massive waste. Oh my god crazy. Cracks me up. How all these people? Really 100, is that not a exaggeration?

Starting point is 00:17:06 Yes, 114 private jets are scheduled to arrive. 40 of which have already shown up. And I'm gonna need to stop people from all these carbon emissions. Yes, how silly is that? I wish people would call them out on that. There was other people, there was one guy who showed up on a 200 million dollar or it's our 200 million euro yacht.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom showed up on their 400 million dollar yacht. You know what I'm saying? We care so much about all these CO2 emissions. We're here aren't we? That we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna make more CO2 than everybody will on our way to talk about it You have to

Starting point is 00:17:53 We're burning all our trash on board as we speak yeah, that's that but yeah dollars. We burn dollars They burn cleaner. Oh my god. You guys hear what we're doing tomorrow. I don't yeah We get tomorrow's Friday, right? Yeah, tomorrow's Friday. Oh, no, when this, when this airs, we'll, it will be Friday. The day of, oh, so this is tomorrow. Yeah, this is Friday. Yeah, so it is. Welcome Friday.

Starting point is 00:18:12 What is the future? Get your ass over to the Instagram right now because this has been something in the works for a while. Oh, this is the biggest giveaway. Oh, you're welcome, by the way, because we're getting better and better at these giveaways. I'll tell you what, dude, this one's huge. Yeah. So am I reading this right?

Starting point is 00:18:25 It's a $1,500 value. Okay. Here's what you can win when you go to our Instagram page as of the airing of the show. You'll have the instructions on how you enter into this contest. Here's what you'll win. If you win, you'll get the chili pad, uller, sleep system. So this is the one that you can control with the app on your phone, cool, warm your bed.

Starting point is 00:18:49 You can get any size bed. Any size bed, both sides. Which is up to a $1,500 value. Yes, and you're gonna get a maps super bundle on top of it. Oh, I didn't know we were doing that, too. So maps super bundle. Snap.

Starting point is 00:19:02 Plus the uller sleep system with the sleep zone and all that. No, she does like a $2,000 value. Yes. Wow. And you're going to get your sleep and your training covered. Dude, I like this because we did the one giveaway with pure ex. That went like gangbusters. Now we're doing this one and what you know what I like about it is that our partners

Starting point is 00:19:20 and the people we work with are seeing the value. I feel like they're like trying to outcompete them too. They're offering to each other. Let's see what you can do guys. Yeah. Let's see who gives away the best stuff. Yeah, yeah, not all that'll be exciting. This will be cool, man.

Starting point is 00:19:31 Dude, I was gonna ask you, Adam. I, when my first born was, when we brought him home, like we had to give him this billy blanket, they called him. And he was like, oh, for John Disco, and through this whole thing with John Disco, and he had callic and like all these sort of things has, has Maximus had to experience any of that? Did he, did he actually have John Dis or were they do?

Starting point is 00:19:50 He did. Oh, he did. Oh, wow. So they were concerned about that with Maximus and we had, we did do the Billy Blanket, but at the, at the, at the, is that because he's a pre, he was a little premature? Yeah. So that's what they, they're, I mean, John this is already fairly common, right? It's, I don't know what the number is

Starting point is 00:20:08 and how one and how many babies ends up having John this, whatever, but it's even higher rate when they're pre-me. So this was like a major concern, and they monitored him, and he did do the Billy blanket, why we were at the hospital. But after that, he was fine.

Starting point is 00:20:23 But I did see my pediatrician the other day, and we posted about this, but I don't think I talked about it on the hospital. But after that he was fine. But I did see my pediatrician the other day and we posted about this, but I don't think I talked about it on the podcast. One of the things I was thinking, I was like, okay, they're getting this light, is what they put on them. And it's like, basically, they're getting this. Like a UV kind of light.

Starting point is 00:20:40 A UV, yeah. And so I asked my pediatrician, I'm like, would there be any value in me? You I said, I have a juve infrared light at my house. Would there be any value of me doing it? He goes absolutely because they recommended using the juve. Yeah. Yeah. He recommended the for the baby to use that. I mean, I guess it makes sense when you think about like, okay, when you have a newborn, you're not really taking them outside that much because just because he's vulnerable right then,

Starting point is 00:21:08 you don't put them to elements. Right, but there's a lot of value to the sun. Yeah, and plus sunlight can burn the baby's skin. Right, right, right. So you're a little extra sensitive, but then at the same time too, we know all the value of getting sun exposure as a human. And so getting the benefit,

Starting point is 00:21:24 a lot of the benefits that the sun provides in the infrared to him would be very valuable. And so yeah, so I asked him about it. And sense. Yeah, he did recommend it. So yeah, that's kind of a little thing that we do now is, you know, it's not every day,

Starting point is 00:21:38 probably every, every two days or so. You just let him sleep on your chest while you shine it on your face. Yeah, he said because he's a young he's an M fit He doesn't need to say as much exposure as we do so I don't need to be tight and close so you're doing it to your You're doing your normal like you're laying back. It's on your head I'm gonna say yeah, yeah If you see that there's a picture on the main Instagram page where and that's kind of how I do it

Starting point is 00:21:57 I just all lay there with him normally. I'll do it naked obviously the photo She just took a picture of us sitting there the the first time but I'll normally But I'll normally come there at the shower and then I'll just lay on my chest. Send us the panorama. That's our private page. Yeah, maybe get some more likes or not for that one. But yeah, I thought that was really cool that the doctor recommended that. And so it's something that we've been doing. Well, Jessica's now been using it pretty consistently. And she's noticing benefits to her skin, her face.

Starting point is 00:22:31 Dude, you sent over the photo of your brother's head. And that- Well, hair, dude, for hair, it's fucking, it's very effective. It's very magical. Very effective. Did you ask him if you could post that? You got to post that and share that to the picture. At some point, he does have to share that. I saw that. Alright, I'll text him and ask him post that and share that. Yeah, at some point he does have to share that. I saw that. All right, I'll text him and ask him if I can share it.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Yeah, because you should put that on your story or have Rachel put it on the story. Well, so my brother is, you know, he's, this is something that's been happening, right? He's been kind of losing his hair and we've, you know, fuck what kind of me? Look, okay, I might get a little confession here. My cousins and I, which includes my brother,

Starting point is 00:23:03 we are just terrible with each other. We talk so much shit. And it's I, which includes my brother, we are just terrible with each other. We talk so much shit. And we don't, we pick things that are real. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because it's family. Yeah, so if you're just so happy to poop your pants in fifth grade, you're forever. Forever you're the poop pants, right?

Starting point is 00:23:20 Or if you, you know, I don't care what happened. You got divorced, guess what? We're gonna make fun of it. It's just terrible. So my brother's been, you know, I don't care what happened, you got divorced, guess what, we're gonna make fun of. Like it's just, it's terrible. So my brother's been, you know, now for a while now, we've been noticing some thinning hair. And so we've been fucking, so I think he's just really sensitive about it. He doesn't wanna put it out there.

Starting point is 00:23:34 So he's done everything, he's done everything for it. He's gotten the shampoo's, and he's done all the different stuff, nothing works, and he's like, man, you know what I'm gonna do? He's like, I'm gonna wait, and when it gets real bad, I'm gonna get the hair transplant type thing, and I'm like, man, I don't do that, you don He's like, I'm gonna wait and when it gets real bad, I'm gonna get the hair transplant type thing and I'm like, man, I don't do that.

Starting point is 00:23:46 You don't need to get the surgery. So I told him about the red light, so he got the small one, the, the, oh, that's just from the go. Many, yeah, the go. Yeah, and Ollie, because he just puts it right on his head. And he's sent me the before and after and it's remarkable, the difference.

Starting point is 00:24:00 Oh, it's very remarkable. I mean, he's like more, he said it's the best investment he's ever made for for that specifically Now I use it for you know just my body because I got the big full panel one and I do use it for my body for Recovery and stuff and it for me the recovery aspect of it is subtle It's a very very subtle. I'm very in touch with my body So I know but I don't think it's gonna compete with like Mobility work and good diet and good sleep and that kind of stuff

Starting point is 00:24:26 But if you got all those things in check, it's another thing you can add to your arsenal Well for me, it's been a skin change. I think skin and hair has got to be my sister It's been skin like she's that now what is she does she have psoriasis too or she? No, she just she just doesn't have We just our family doesn't have great skin You know and one of the things that that my skin looks like it glows afterwards, it's weird. Yeah, and you have to try it or you have to do it to see, to kind of feel the difference.

Starting point is 00:24:51 And maybe if you're somebody who maybe has a different complexion, you don't notice this as much, but my sister and I, that's the two biggest takeaways. And of course, because I notice it does wonders for my skin, it also does wonders for my psoriasis. Yeah, yeah. But if you say skin gl also does wonders for my psoriasis. Yeah You say skid glows all the time just that That's immediately I think

Starting point is 00:25:21 We were at the we were all at the beach and we may or may not have consumed something that all turns your your maybe perception either way You were very glowing Oh, I remember that now you're like a golden bronze and I couldn't stop laughing We were at the beach were walking and whatever Whatever he ate you know it was the kick did whatever was and all of a sudden We're walking and Justin was talking to me and then he couldn't look at me anymore And he was just looking straight and he was just talking and I'm like, why is he weird about it? He's like he goes I can't look at you you're shimmer and then he look at me and he's like kind of giggle and look away

Starting point is 00:25:49 he's like why are you laughing bro he saw your golden because you look what did I look like he said I'm like a trophy like a trophy walk around yeah look at me but the way he explained it to me at the time he's like he's like bro He goes your you go your skin is so golden bronze emanating this gold Yeah, I forgot about it. I was hilarious. Oh, yeah, I'm the chosen one. Yeah, I'm the beach My pump up. I'm told stories. Yeah, your skin wasn't golden Not like that, dude. Not like that. Anyway, speaking of skin and things like that,

Starting point is 00:26:28 so I'm reading one of my, I don't remember which newsletter I'm reading, and I come across this current app that just got funding, right? And the name of the company, let me look at it, oh, Light Tricks. And Light Tricks is the name of the company that owns the FaceTune app. So they just took all light tricks is the name of the company that owns the face tune app.

Starting point is 00:26:46 So they just took all like Photoshop for your face types. Do they took on 130? They just raised 135 million. It's valued at one billion dollars. It was the number one app in 2017. It's consistently in the top billion for an app. Yeah. Bro, and now listen, if you look at it, pull it up on your phone if you guys get a chance on the app store on your FaceTomb. This is something that I forget how many millions of users are using this. This is like totally, you can manipulate the size of your nose, your lips a little bit wider, obviously filters

Starting point is 00:27:18 on your face, acne. And so you can't really tell if somebody's using it or not, right? This is bullshit. This is fake. What's your fakeness? Yeah, you know what? But what does that tell you that

Starting point is 00:27:28 if that many people are using it? Of course. Yeah. If you're looking at it. Do the math. Do the math on how many people are on Instagram and how many millions of people are using this app, which means there's like a one in five chance,

Starting point is 00:27:40 the person you're fucking looking at, they're just pulled it up right now. Look at how it does, look at it, it does right. See, same person, you wouldn't... Just getting rid of all those blemishes and... That's fucked up. Reenkels. You know what this does to me?

Starting point is 00:27:50 And maybe I'm just out of this generation, I'm older. Oh my gosh, shrunk her. But chin. Yeah, your nose, you could change your nose. The reason why I would wanna do this is because I would always be self-conscious about potentially running into some public. Right, right. Like, what if you run into someone in public? I would always be self-conscious about potentially running into some public.

Starting point is 00:28:05 Right. What if you run into someone in public? Oh my God, I follow your path. Have we not already experienced this? Remember, there's people that are very visible, influencers, we've met in person. I'm like, you're like, waviter on Instagram. You're no happen. You're a nine on Instagram.

Starting point is 00:28:21 You're like a six. Yeah, and that you're a six. What just happened? No, that's fucking, that's fucked up, man. You're like a six. Yeah, and that you're a six. What just happened? No, that's fucking, that's fucked up, man. You know what the, because this app, you know what though, dude? I was so, it's funny that you brought this up at them.

Starting point is 00:28:31 I was talking about something similar with Jessica last night. We were talking about how the amount of makeup and stuff that a lot of women put on just to go out in public. And I'm like, it's kind of crazy. I said, I understand it. And I said, but if you really think about it, like if you really step outside, imagine if you're an alien, right?

Starting point is 00:28:49 You land on earth and you're looking at, it's crazy that you put on a mask. It is a mask. To go out, right? And we've learned from psychologists that actors and people who changed their personality, common trick that they'll use is they'll change something about themselves, like whether it's put sunglasses

Starting point is 00:29:04 on or a hat Mm-hmm, and I said I wonder if that happens to an ego Yeah, I wonder if that happens to people when they put on this this face if it changes them subtly All right, I guarantee it and we were talking about how strange it is and then she's like well, you know She's like it's really you know humans and especially women have been adorning themselves For a long time there's evidence that you-gatherers from thousands of years ago would put on things jewelry or use pigment from plants to make their cheeks look rosy.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Romans did it, the Greeks did it. And it's just a modern version of that. And I think that these face apps and all this Photoshop and all that stuff, it's just an extension. It's no different than evolution of it. It's the evolution of it, dude. This is the reality.

Starting point is 00:29:43 And the fact that this company's worth a billion dollars just goes to show you, it is not going well to kind of tie in, which is interesting you brought this up. There was another thing I read about this other app or this other actually toy company. So what's it called? Super plastic is a company that's basically feeding

Starting point is 00:30:02 into that whole artificial, sort of bringing in characters into Instagram, into Facebook, into these platforms that basically are their own personas. So it's like, they've put a lot of money into the animation of these characters, and it's a toy company, so these are characters. These are characters you could buy as a toy,

Starting point is 00:30:24 but they built up a backstory. They built up a persona., so these are characters. These are characters you could buy as a toy, but they built up a backstory. They built up a persona. They can be so talk and speak to people, yeah. You know, through like these algorithm, AIs, like sort of technology, and it's supposed to be the next thing. Is that it right there? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:39 Okay, so it's pretty, yeah, so right now they have two characters. There's like this bunny and then this fox kind of character janky and gugimon. I don't know what the hell. I feel like he made those up. But yeah, but they're gonna expand off of that and they got all this money right. We'll think about how much merchandise cartoons

Starting point is 00:30:59 used to sell back in the day. It's really not that different except now they're using social media. So they're making characters for social media. That's where everybody is. Right? So like right now like for us growing up it was cartoons on TV and that's where they could influence and like sell toys and all that through like cartoons. Well, this is now you got to go into social media. This is in social media. This is brilliant. This is brilliant because you're just creating character. Yeah, you want to sell a toy and a persona. So I'm imagining that it'll take on a voice.

Starting point is 00:31:26 You know what I'm saying? And it has some personality and shit. And you know, people that identify with it and think it's awesome, it's brilliant. Yeah, you saw it. What a merch, you know, for these characters, like all that. Wow, what a cheap way to create almost that the same network of people you would from a cartoon.

Starting point is 00:31:41 It's no different. It is, what I'm saying. Yeah, and kids are spending, you're, if you're spending that much time on Instagram and they're putting It is, what I'm saying. Yeah, and kids are spending, if you're spending that much time on Instagram and they're putting, wow, that's so much. How many followers does it have, Doug? 30,000.

Starting point is 00:31:50 Oh, it's 14 posts, 30,000? Oh yeah, they're gonna sell, they might not sell like millions, but they're gonna make money. And social media is easier than, so they have graphic designers, just basically designers. Graphic designers, animators, so yeah,

Starting point is 00:32:04 so they will talk, they will speak, they and have their own personality and all that kind of shit Wild. Oh, that's not weird. That makes sense. But look at the face tune, right? Like you are already creating this persona It's it's pretty much artificial Well, yeah, but see here's the thing. It's based on your own self And yeah, this is what you want you to protect my understanding that I've learned throughout my life and what I've seen with clients and if you read articles on psychology, human psychology, this is pretty true, is that the further away you move

Starting point is 00:32:33 from your authentic self, the more stress and pain you can cause yourself. So think about it this way. This is brilliant. Think about it this way. If you tell a lie, you know how you ever told a lie to somebody and then you have to keep reinforcing that lie, it makes more and more lies and more and more lies.

Starting point is 00:32:48 And it keeps going. And it becomes stressful, and then you realize as you get older that telling the truth is way less stressful. Yeah, then lying, even if the telling the truth is a stressful truth. Right. So being a fake version of yourself,

Starting point is 00:32:59 look, we've met YouTube stars and social media stars because of our business, and you can tell they're fucking tormented. Just constantly paranoid with being exposed for something that's inconsistent. I'm trying to live up to this character that you've created. You can never be yourself. I would love, man, just this is cool.

Starting point is 00:33:18 It's a smart one. I would love to make a mad mic version of this, and it represents our alter ego. So the stuff that we won't say on the show You could say crazy or shit that we would say all the inappropriate like the like an inappropriate character very like South Park-esque right? We need an animator dude if you're an animator out there Let's make that happen right you put it out there everybody will know what's on the other one people not to know It's not let him know it's us it gives you a better it will hire somebody to handle all of it

Starting point is 00:33:42 But it would we would want it to shape and mold to be the alter ego Just the cynical sarcastic asshole. Yes, the stuff that we can't be like Are we just kind of well? We kind of are Yeah, you know, it's fun a little bit when people meet when people meet me in person. They get the super authentic Like it's basically an extension of how we are on the show. It's just yeah super authentic. It's basically an extension of how we are on the show. It's just, yeah, we're pretty much who we are. Yeah, it's funny. My clients, who I ran into a couple old clients that I haven't trained for a long time, we were in Campbell and we were walking and I see them like, oh my god, I haven't seen you guys for a long time. And my clients like, dude, he goes,

Starting point is 00:34:19 I listen to your show, you know, on and off. And he goes, it cracks me up because it sounds like the conversations we still have working out. And now you're getting, he's, you know, on and off. And he goes, it's cracks me up because it sounds like the conversations we used to have working out. And now you're getting, he's got paid for them before, you're just making more money for it now. I'm like, I'm sure, he's like, you took out the trading part, you just do the talking part.

Starting point is 00:34:36 This is natural progression. My favorite part. Yeah, exactly. This is my favorite part. Did you guys read that article? I think Jackie might have sent it about the DoorDash drivers. Yes, I was gonna bring that up the other day. I forgot.

Starting point is 00:34:49 I forgot to bring that up. So, I use DoorDash like, I used it yesterday. All the time. Yeah, I use it every day almost, right? Yeah, so apparently, one out of every four DoorDash drivers eat your food. Admit to eating some of your food. When they're delivering it.

Starting point is 00:35:04 You know, it's funny. It your food. When they're delivering it. You know, it's funny. It's greasy. When you use it as much as I do, it's so common too that you got something missing and shit. No way. Yeah, it's all common, dude. It's part of looking for bites out of things.

Starting point is 00:35:14 It's part of, it is part of the gamble of like, you know, ordering online like that and having a middle person. It's just like the telephone game. Like there's something like a meant, like last night, I got sushi and I ordered fucking 12 pieces of shimi, but then I got the fucking variety plate of like all the different types.

Starting point is 00:35:32 And I'm like, that's not what I fucking wanted. I wanted all salmon one. I know I clicked that, but it's like, you know, somewhere there's a disconnect and, you know, and whether it's user error on my part or they're, then mentioned them to the door dash person or whatever, but it tends that it seems to be that there's more mishaps and one of the mishaps is there tends to be stuff

Starting point is 00:35:51 that misses missing on the order. I believe it. I worked in the restaurant industry for a long time and I've seen some shit. And what's the gross part for me was always, I knew at least one or two waiters that would like come by and like they're cleaning off like They're eating people's leftover shit that they left on the t-yes dude this happened quite often like it wasn't just like a random thing like some

Starting point is 00:36:14 Like guy had a gross idea. Oh, yeah He's just eating leftover like buffalo wings, right like you would just go in the back and eat off the plate Dude you're disgusting think about that if you were a plate. Oh my God. Like, dude, you're disgusting. Think about that, if you were a waiter and you were money was tight, dude, you could probably get money. Brilliant, actually. And it's a way to save money.

Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah, you could save a lot of money. Yeah, and I was just a little bit shocked. Eight hours of watching, eight hours of watching, like three meals, you know what I'm saying? Well, the DoorDash one cracks me up because you imagine you're a driver and half these guys, I do DoorDash too.

Starting point is 00:36:44 And sometimes I see them like, you probably, you look like a stoner. You show up a little and half these guys, I do DoorDash too and sometimes I see them like, you probably, you look like a stoner. They show up a little bit half-baked, right? They show up. That's a great job. So yeah, you imagine you pick up somebody's like French fries and burger or whatever. Like they're not gonna know if I grab,

Starting point is 00:36:55 I'm gonna grab seven French fries. Nobody's gonna fucking know. You have to say, they're not taking a lot of pieces of bacon. That's excessive. They're not taking a bite out of your burger. Yeah, yeah. But they're gonna grab some of the fries or like an extra nugget.

Starting point is 00:37:07 Or whatever. That's the guarantee it. That's disgusting. I, you know, it's funny, is actually you see a pretty wide variety of different people that actually pull up to my house. Like, I actually had this guy the other day, like, dressed hell a sharp, driving a fucking brand new Lexus.

Starting point is 00:37:21 Who dropped off my door dash. And I just thought that was weird. It was like, really broke? Like this is like in between things or something or what, I don't get it. Like so, there's a lot of people that picked that. Same thing with the Uber. Side hustle maybe.

Starting point is 00:37:33 Yeah, a lot of people do that now. It's kind of the new thing to be Uber, Lyft, DoorDash. You do kind of all of it. And if you're just, I mean, if you're smart, my buddy does this because he's, this is not a full-time gig for me there. And it's like, he knows when he's heading to go downtown, he's got errands, he's got run there. He's just like, he just turns on the Uber thing.

Starting point is 00:37:53 Yeah. I can kid me for me commuting all the time over 17 and like back and forth and all. If I was like younger and like cared, like, I would be Ubering people with me over and get paid. Right. You know, making it more worse now. If I was a single bachelor, and I worked hard and then I had time up free on my hands, I'd be like, why not?

Starting point is 00:38:13 Sounds like fun, go do a call. I love there's options. Yeah, and I'm sure it gets entertaining, especially if you do the freaking late night, out of the club type of thing. I'm pretty sure you get some entertaining shit. Oh yeah, you hear stories for sure. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:38:24 You can't really care about your car though if you're doing that. No,. Oh yeah. Yeah, you hear stories for sure. Yeah, I'm saying drivers. You can't really care about your car though if you're doing that. No, no, no. Yeah, someone's bound to throw up and you should. You imagine, oh. But they have things too that you actually get, they can just find you and they have the power to do that. For the puke?

Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah. I remember one of my buddies puttin' in Uber not that long ago. Did he really? Yeah, yeah. A couple of years ago. It was terrible. Yeah, and I think we got nailed like $150 or whatever is a cleaning fee. You sign that when you sign up for like this.

Starting point is 00:38:47 Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, something else I want to bring up because I think we need to talk about this a little bit again. These mastermind groups, social media mastermind groups. They need to stop. They need to go away. I feel like the backlash is coming though.

Starting point is 00:39:02 Don't you guys think it's a big bubble ready to pop? Yeah, I haven't been seeing a lot of posts about them lately. I mean, I know they still exist and it's a big like money machine for some of these influencers. Oh, you don't see, I see more of them, bro. Yeah, that's why I feel like it's the bubbles inflating. Maybe I-

Starting point is 00:39:17 Unfollowed those people. I wanna, I wanna agree with you, but I don't know, man. I think it's been around forever. It's just that we see it so much because of social media. I mean, if you had a dad like I did, that did every single MLM that existed. It's like MLM as well.

Starting point is 00:39:33 It is, it's just like MLM. It's the same idea and it's been getting people forever. It's been getting people since I was a kid and it's still getting people today. And so when things have lasted over two decades, in my opinion, I wonder if it will, the bubble of births, or it'll just evolve in mold. And it's probably more likely to evolve in mold

Starting point is 00:39:54 because there's gonna always be people that are easily manipulated into quick fixes. We see it in the supplementary. But they're expensive, man. I know. I know, but people think it's a quick fix. They think like, this is it. If I get to go hang out with whatever said celebrity

Starting point is 00:40:08 who's made millions of dollars, me the keys, they're gonna lay out the blueprint and that's all I need. Cause I've got the motivation, you know, to follow through. And the reality is, it doesn't matter. There's a formula that has made that person a multi-millionaire. It's funny, cause Gary Vee literally gives out all that information for free.

Starting point is 00:40:26 That's why I love Gary Vee. It's all free. That's what I love about Gary Vee. I do. You're not going to get better information than that at some mastermind where you're going to pay some influencer who has a hundred thousand followers. They don't have secret information. No.

Starting point is 00:40:37 It's hilarious to me. You're just like, do you really have new information? Nobody's ever heard before. Oh, they just recently became successful on their own. And now all of a sudden, they're experts on whatever they think they're talking about. It's also the networking piece to the people justify it for that. The people that you get to meet. Sure.

Starting point is 00:40:57 And we know this as humans that we like to be putting groups and categories. And so it groups, it groups us with people that are like minded. It helps it introduces us to other people are. Oh, oh by the way the people I just met this week, they all have 500,000 or 3000 followers so that helped me get a couple more people so that justifies why, so this justification of why I spent this $5,000 or $30,000 to get in this mastermind group starts happening because you don't want to be the person who admits that you were kind of... Well, here's my question. Bamboozle.

Starting point is 00:41:27 Here's my question of the very few... They're like fraternities. Yeah, of the very, very few people that become successful who did masterminds, my argument would be that they would have become successful anyway. 100%. That it wasn't the mastermind that made him successful. It was that it was all the other stuff.

Starting point is 00:41:42 It was the hard workers, the fact that they're willing to take risks, risks was that they're Moving around trying to you know figure things out like that's what made them successful dug and I at one point You know signed up for a internet marketing group at one point. Did we learn anything from it that I mean we wouldn't have gotten otherwise No, I mean not really I don't think it was worth the the the money that we invested we met people You know did we use those contacts? Not really. I just think their social media is prime for it. It's perfect for this kind of, and what a lot of these masterminds do, by the way, is

Starting point is 00:42:14 they teach you how to start your own mastermind. This is why I know it's a bubble, because if you're there to learn how to make your own mastermind, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where that leads eventually. Well, then that's where it falls in the MLM category. That's all you are now. Now you're just multi-level marketing. You're just come to my thing, and that's really what you see.

Starting point is 00:42:30 You see some of these guys and girls who are really smart, they're running like a six-figure mastermind, a seven-figure mastermind, and they hate me, they hate me, they hate me, and they each have their like, oh, to get here, set up your emails, set up your website, it's like all the basics. When you can see it from top down, you can see how predatory it is.

Starting point is 00:42:47 I think it from the bottom up, like a lot of people want to justify and like because they feel good, like, oh, I'm talking to all these people and all this and like, they want to like create the value in their mind that it was worth it, you know, versus like when you're on the outside and you just look at it from an outside perspective, you can see who's really benefiting. Yeah. I always wonder what goes in the minds of the people that are created, because some of the people I know

Starting point is 00:43:10 are creating, some of them are successful. There's a half of them that barely learned how to make six figures themselves, and then now they're out teaching tons of other people to make six figures, which I think you're not an expert at that, just because you've done it one time or almost reached it. And then you have the other side that,

Starting point is 00:43:28 guys that, girls that I know that have made a lot of money that are doing it. And those are the ones I'm most curious about, like what drove you to do that? Is it because the money grab is so high and it's so easy? You know, is that why you do that? Cause I mean, I obviously we know that we could do something like that, but I have no desire to. No, man, not at all.

Starting point is 00:43:48 And I'm a very money motive person. I open the discusses. You know, it gets in the way. So you're walking down the path and be like, oh, easy money, integrity blocks you every time. So if you lack integrity, it's easy money. It's true, absolutely. But easy money without integrity, you know what that is, down the line, that's a pop.

Starting point is 00:44:07 That's a... Well, it's also the feeling of fucking guilt. Guilt later on. Get later on. Because what happens is, here's the thing, being a numbers person, statistically speaking, when you look at those groups, the amount of people that will ever become millionaires

Starting point is 00:44:22 is like one percent, less than one percent. And if they fill these things up every single month, that will ever become millionaires, okay, is like one percent less than one percent. Yeah. And that, and if they fill these things up every single month or every single quarter and 50, a hundred, 300 people come through, do the math on that. That means I've talked to a total collection of let's say 500 people and I go to bed at night knowing that I convinced those 500 people to give me tens of thousands of dollars knowing go to bed at night knowing that I convinced those 500 people to give me tens of thousands of dollars knowing that two of them may reach that number one day. And also knowing that probably it wasn't because of my mastermind group, it was probably

Starting point is 00:44:54 other elements that got them there. Their connections and relationships, their drive, their own brilliance, their own creativity. It's one of the oldest marketing hustles that exist. It's one of the oldest marketing hustles that exists. It's a fact, this is a fact that I actually learned at some of these seminars that I used to attend, is that if you want to make a lot of money, you sell something that teaches people how to make a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:45:15 There's more money in that than almost anything else. So like, if you sell fitness products, you can do really well. If you teach people how to sell fitness products and make a lot of money selling, you'll make more money. You could sell supplements, or you could teach people how to make money selling supplements.

Starting point is 00:45:32 There's always the get rich quick or get rich following my advice, books, and all that stuff. In every market, that's the segment of that market that tends to do the absolute best. It's easy, and it's a big bubble. And when it pops, man, the backlash is going to be massive and it's going to be, I'm going to sit there with the, you know, drug of popcorn watching. Hell yeah. This quaz brought to you by Organify.

Starting point is 00:45:56 For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. First question is from El Johnston. Thoughts on eating late at night in terms of weight gain should you avoid eating after a certain time before you sleep, especially if you work out in the morning. This is actually a good question because it's one where my answer has changed a little bit. Me too. As I've gotten older and also, as we've done the podcast and talked to experts on the subject.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Now in the past, I would have told you, totally doesn't matter. You know, if you eat 2,000 calories in all of them or before 6 p.m. or all of them or after 6 p.m. the weight gain or loss. This is a grand total. We'll be exactly the same. And that's true.

Starting point is 00:47:02 Yeah, most of that's true, that's largely true. But the reason why now my answers change a little bit is I've learned now how eating at night and especially before sleep, affects sleep, which then affects health, which has its own effects downstream. Not only that, I also noticed what types of behavioral choices that we make during those periods of time.

Starting point is 00:47:26 Oh, big time. Yeah. Late night eating typically is the thing. Right. In the middle of your day, lunch, work break, your full on work mode, your thinking, your clear, your up, your going, easy to stop and make a good, healthy choice or take out your lunch that you already packed for yourself. Eight o'clock at night, binge watching your favorite Netflix shows or whatever like

Starting point is 00:47:49 that. Uh, tell you what, a little bit harder to get up and make the chicken salad or whatever like that. So, um, yes, all the science supports that eating late doesn't matter what time as long as the total calories same and that is true. But this is another area to where I've changed the way I advise clients. And I always start it with, yes, you could eat after 9 p.m. and it's not about the time so much. But this is what I have found with clients that tend to eat past these hours is these types of choices happen. And then also it could also affect potentially sleep

Starting point is 00:48:26 to your point, Sal. And so for me, it's like, and it's funny because this used to be an old thing that we used to mock as trainers, as an old like saying of, oh, that was actually part of my selling pitch. I used to actually talk shit about this statement of, don't eat past six o'clock or whatever the fucking thing was.

Starting point is 00:48:44 But it is actually a good old wise piece of advice for the average person. And of course, all of us hardcore science guys later on came on and tore it apart and then totally tried to debunk it. And then what we ended up really doing, did we help more people by debunking that? I don't know. I think that we probably broke people that had that as a good habit for a long time. This has changed for me because I've been so concerned with my own digestive habits

Starting point is 00:49:10 and like really like trying to help enhance that because you know, going through with like heartburn and like all these different things I've battled and just you know, sleeping and obviously like you mentioned it gets affected by the timing of when I eat, especially with my digestive process. So I'm trying my best to eat within, like not too late at night, you know, seven,

Starting point is 00:49:34 you know, at the latest, because I just have found I just, my body is just, it's just better as a result of that. Well, what a great fucking point. I didn't even think about that either. And that's another incredible point. If somebody has any sort of digestive issues, something that is a new habit that I picked up

Starting point is 00:49:49 in the last five years is just making a point to go for a walk after I have a meal. Cause that encourages that adjustment process that you're standing up, gravity's coming down, you're moving, you're burning. Plus the muscles that affect your gait, move around, you're massaging, yeah. You're intestines and moving food through.

Starting point is 00:50:07 Helping the whole process, right? Gravity does the thing. And man, I tell you what, I can feel the difference. I can feel the difference in how it's necessary for me now. Yeah, and so if you're somebody who is eating past 9 p.m., what's the likelihood, you're gonna get up off the couch in the middle of stranger things and go for your half hour.

Starting point is 00:50:24 We're not gonna eat and go to sleep. Exactly. This is, so this is why study after study after study has correlated eating late with higher BMI and worse health. So this is why there's a debate over this because you have the, on one hand, you have scientists to say, no, calories in versus calories out and we do these controlled studies where everybody's eating exactly the same and it doesn't make a difference. And then there's other people who are like, well, what about all these studies that show

Starting point is 00:50:50 when people eat late at night, they're fatter and less healthy. And the reason why you see that discrepancy is because we, and I hate it, this is something that we need to do as fitness professionals. We need to stop separating the science from the behaviors. We need to stop separating the science from the behaviors. We need to stop separating the science from the experience because you can't, you can't, we're dealing with humans here. And when we're dealing with humans, eating late at night is typically

Starting point is 00:51:15 characterized by worse eating decisions and less activity. It tends to be more binge eating. When people eat within a restricted time window, they tend to make better food choices. And that can account for probably the vast majority of the health benefits we see in studies when people don't eat late at night. But there is some science now. There is some other stuff that shows that there may be just some forget the behavior stuff. There's actually some physiological benefits to not eating late at night. And this has to do more with your circadian rhythm.

Starting point is 00:51:47 Now we know that if you're in a bright room and you try to go to sleep and the lights are on, it's gonna be very hard to fall asleep. It's because your brain is being sent to signal that it's still sun, that there's still sun up, it's still daylight or whatever. We know that being exposed to lots of electrical light right before you go to bed reduces the or increases the time it takes you to fall

Starting point is 00:52:10 sleep and reduces the deep sleep. And again, this is because your brain is as prepared to shut off because you just shut the lights off. Well, the same thing is true with food. Your internal organs also send a signal to your body that tell it whether or not the sun is out or not. So you have a circadian rhythm in your organs. So if you're in your house, you're watching TV, so you've already got those lights on, and you're eating food on top of it, it's going to significantly affect your sleep in the negative.

Starting point is 00:52:41 Now, what does that affect have on you long term? Well, if your sleep isn't great quality, you might not notice it after one night or three nights or five nights, or maybe not even after a few months, and then you may even get used to the fact that your sleep isn't as good as it should be. But if you compare that to the person you could be

Starting point is 00:52:59 where you eat, you know, before six or seven, before the sun goes down, you get, you know, you get to bed like you're supposed to sleep, whatever. Will that person probably be leaner, healthier, have a little bit more muscle? Probably, they probably will. So it's just a good practice in my experience. It's a good practice to not eat too late

Starting point is 00:53:17 because it works better with your behaviors, and it also positively affects your sleep. So now I'm at the point now where I eat my last meal now is typically six or seven pm and that's it. That's the last time I eat and I don't need anymore. And I noticed some benefit. I noticed I feel better and of course to Adam's point when I eat past that, it's usually not healthy food.

Starting point is 00:53:37 It's usually not stuff that's good for me. It's usually something that's like. It's wacky shit, totally, totally. All right, next question is from Steve Kellerman. What are your favorite lateral and rotational exercises and what are the benefits? You know what, if you look at the way we move in modern times, I would say lateral and rotational exercises

Starting point is 00:53:59 are probably among some of the most important outside of the foundational fundamental movements because we just don't do them. I mean, I can't think of every day, you wake up, you make breakfast, get in the car, drop the kids off, go to work, sit down at work, come home, all that stuff, like how often are we doing lateral movements and how often are we doing lots of rotation? Not a whole lot. and we know this,

Starting point is 00:54:27 if you stop doing something, you start to lose your ability to do it and it becomes worse and worse over time. So robotic in your movement patterns. Yeah, you become more stiff with it, right? Or if you have to do a lateral movement because I don't know, you almost drop your food so you go laterally real quick to catch it,

Starting point is 00:54:43 your odds of hurting yourself are much higher. I actually increase for sure. I like, you know, for lateral movements, some of my favorite exercises, if you have access to a sled, I love lateral sled pulls. Yes. So one of my favorite exercises.

Starting point is 00:54:57 Forgot all about that. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you're, it's very functional. You're kind of walking, you're moving sideways, you're crossing over, either back leg, you know, over, either front leg over the back or vice versa. I get great resistance with it. I can watch each step and see how far I'm stepping. That's one of my favorite lateral movements.

Starting point is 00:55:15 Well, it's funny that the lateral tube band is really taken off, like it has because of the booty bands and all that stuff. I was doing it way before, it was a thing just to establish that movement pattern within my training constantly. But yeah, I would do like lateral sled drags, I would do, and this is where I know everybody loves me for this,

Starting point is 00:55:36 but the lunge matrix was intentional because, there's a mass performance. It's addressing the fact that you're not thinking about like all the different facets of movements and the different planes. And it's important that we consider those because of real world activities. And because of things within, not just athletics,

Starting point is 00:55:57 but just everyday, everyday things where you're reaching, you're turning, you're twisting, you're pulling from different positions and your body needs to recognize these different positions. Now, the lunge matrix for those of you who don't know what that is, that's literally, it's a, you step forward to a front step lunge, you come back to normal, side step to a lateral lunge,

Starting point is 00:56:19 step back to normal, then do a back step lunge, then step back to normal and repeat. So it's three directions of lunge. You're rotating in that back lunge. Yes, great exercise. And then laterally, the lateral lunge is really good or a cross-exquat. It would be one of my favorite lunge. I love a tube walk as a regression to an ice skater.

Starting point is 00:56:37 I like ice skaters for this. Oh, yeah. Ice skaters are great. But not everybody can handle that. And I teach a regression of the ice skater too, where it's more of you just stepping side to side versus you lung jumping from side to side, because obviously a full on ice skater where you're hopping from side to side

Starting point is 00:56:54 could be really a challenge. But within right there, I think you can get all the lateral strength and stability that your body will ever ask of you on in a normal day's life, right? So I don't think that's why I like it so much. Like it, it really protects that person because of the stabilization part, the little bit of explosiveness that's in it.

Starting point is 00:57:14 So if you can go from two walking to progressing to doing like stepping over ice skaters to then explosively doing ice skaters, man, that person is pretty well protected. Latter, yeah. If you want to reduce it down to very simple exercises that, you know, man, that person is pretty well protected. Yeah, have you wanna reduce it down to very simple exercises that are not that foreign, like a step up, for instance, and taking that into a different plane is pretty easy. Side step, for whatever. To do a side step or just face away from the step

Starting point is 00:57:39 and then just rotate and then step up towards it to add a little bit of rotation in there. But also, like shoulder pressing is where I like to incorporate a lot of rotational elements to it too. And that spiral line type of a press, which, you know, a kettlebell might be more conducive towards that because of the loading, but you could easily do it just like, you know, the Arnold press, like, is great for adding rotational movement there that the shoulder needs, the shoulder needs

Starting point is 00:58:06 that rotational stability for it's have long-term health. Well, that's why I like your windmills so much. That's my favorite. Oh, windmills, beautiful. I mean, because the windmill, I feel like you get that kind of rotational and shoulder stability and you get that in the trunk, dude, and you're adding a hip hinge in there. So like, my favorite. It's the triple threat for me for a rotational movement.

Starting point is 00:58:25 I think that, I mean, and I think this, first time I really started doing that was not that long ago, it was when we met and we started working out with Justin and that was an exercise that you brought to the table that I just never cared to practice. I didn't see as much value in it before and it seemed silly and old, but then when you start doing it and you really unpack it and you go, oh, fuck,

Starting point is 00:58:46 this is such a great rule. I get the rotational benefit I get from it is all the way up the spine. Because when you watch a windmill, you think, oh, it's just the lumbar spine. But when you do full arm extended, there's a lot of thoracic involvement, a lot of shoulder stability.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Yeah, shoulder thoracic hip, everything is involved in that thing. Cornerally most, shoulder, thoracic hip, everything is involved in that thing. Cornerly most men are terrible thoracic roti. Yeah, no, I wish I was better acquainted with that movement as I am today because I think I could have helped a lot of clients in the past. That would have become like, I could think

Starting point is 00:59:21 of so many clients I trained where I would have just like worked at getting good at that. I would have taught that movement to my client, I would have broke down where they're deficient in it and then a good goal of ours would be to get good at that and build strength in that. That's why I all agreed to put it in prime. Oh, God, such a good stable movement.

Starting point is 00:59:38 It's one of our compass tests. It's one of the tests that we put in our prime program to teach you how to tell you what priming movements you should do. It's by far one of my favorite exercises. It actually made my deadlift feel more solid because of the way that it stretches the QL and lets it lengthen and move through kind of a different range of motion. There's also lateral carries that you can do. So, you know, I talk about farmer walks and how much I love farmer walks.

Starting point is 01:00:04 You can modify those and walk sideways. You really can. You could take a kettlebell or a dumbbell and rack it up at the top and just walk sideways and either walk with feet meeting each other or you could do crossover where you cross the right over. Yeah, where you carry okay. And, you know, what these are, are you working specific muscles? Are you developing, you know, muscles are your body like a body builder? I mean, the lateral tube walking stuff might be good to help you activate your glute, but you're not really doing,

Starting point is 01:00:32 these aren't like super developing, you know, extras, they aren't like hypertrophy exercise where I'm developing small muscles. They fall in the category. They're horrifying your joints. They fall in the category like a Turkish get up and while I love that movement so much, you get really good at a Turkish get up

Starting point is 01:00:46 and you get a lot of these things in there. That all comes with that. That's what's kind of neat about that movement. Yeah, you're not gonna get on stage and compete by doing just Turkish get ups or anything. But I tell you what, if all you did was Turkish get ups, you would probably be an overall pretty safe and strong human being.

Starting point is 01:01:03 That's what's dope about that movement. Well, if you're knees bother you, if you dope about that. Well, if you, if your knees bother you, if you tend to hurt your knee, if your ankles, if you're one of those persons, that just tends to roll your ankles. And I know a lot, I've known a lot of people like this where they'll say, oh yeah, I roll my left ankle. And I say, do you ever roll your right ankle?

Starting point is 01:01:18 No, it's always my, I was roll my, that's a lateral stability issue. There's a breakdown somewhere, and your ankle just happens to be the weakest link, and it folds, and then you twist your ankle. These things are very, very important. Windmill, lateral walking, tube walking, I like cable chops, are great. That's a great, easy rotation exercise for most people.

Starting point is 01:01:41 That's one where it doesn't require a ton of skill to get into. It's literally grab a cable, and there's two ways you could do it either with your feet planted and you rotate so you can get that rotation in the lumbar spine or you can rotate with your feet and make it this full body kind of rotation exercise. And that's a great exercise to do on core day. So you want to work out your core and you want to hit your obliques. You're going to get a lot of oblique activation there. So there's cable chops. And those, you can change the angles. You can chop down.

Starting point is 01:02:08 You can chop up or you can go straight across this side. I do that probably at least once a week. I'll do something like that. I do those in the landmine rotations quite frequently. The other one too, here's an easy one. A one-armed dumbbell row with a more of a rotation. And don't use a bench for support. So you're just kind of bending over with a split stance. You do the dumbbell row, but then when you come up to the top, you add more of a rotation at the top. Now you've got

Starting point is 01:02:35 a rotational element to a great back exercise. And if you go light and you focus on the squeezing of the muscles of the back, it's actually a great hypertrophy exercise. And so, you know, the opposite of the way you just explained on how to do that is a great anti-rotational movement. That's why it's another cool thing to use what we always see too with camps, right? If someone's seen someone doing a dumbbell row

Starting point is 01:02:56 and someone trying to pick it apart. That's the way to do it. Right. When there's actually benefits to doing it two different ways, there is a benefit to doing a dumbbell row where I fully extend, come all the way in, add a little bit of rotation to it like Salah saying, and then there's another benefit to being in extremely strict form and not allowing any sort of rotation or movement in the back, because then it becomes an anti-rotational exercise, which there's lots of value of training

Starting point is 01:03:22 anti-rotational for the spine, because now you're supporting it that way. So, that's the truth about that exercise is it's funny because I see that too as these divided people on how to do a dumbbell row and who's right and who's wrong and which is better. It's like, well, they both carry a lot of value and honestly, you should not control. Yeah, exactly. You should be controlled enough to be able to do both ways. Next question is from Dene,

Starting point is 01:03:46 when developing the core, how much importance is attributed to doing back extensions? When I first joined a gym, one trainer pointed out we should equally train back extensions with regular sit-ups to develop a balanced core. Also, what is the importance of proper breathing for developing the core? Okay, so the first part, this is true for any movement of the body. You want to strengthen opposing sides. That's going to give you balance. If all I ever do is bench press and I never do any rows, I'm going to mold and shape my body to, you know, where my, my shoulders are going to come forward. I'm going to have this peck heavy kind

Starting point is 01:04:30 of position. Same thing if I just work my back and never work my chest. So I can see the, uh, the logic here when it comes to working the core. Although it's generic logic, very to say that you have to do back extensions, to counter the just sit-ups because it looks like it's just the opposite movement. I would argue being great at deadlifting would handle this. Yeah, you'd be fine. Yeah, if you're deadlifting your single leg toe touches, you're good morning.

Starting point is 01:04:56 You're pinching in general. Yeah, but back extensions are fine too. And now here's the thing, is it gonna make your core more developed? Maybe because you have better movement, not directly, but it's just a good rule of thumb, you want balance, you know? You can't just train one movement and not, and allow the opposing movement to just... And the reason for that is because in every movement,

Starting point is 01:05:20 there always is that. We're never isolating something, you're always working at least two muscles, right? On the way down. So the risk of injury when you're really strong on one side and the other is becomes greater. This is what we see in athletes a lot, like when a baseball player runs the first base and blows out his hamstring, or you see the wide receiver blow out his hamstring. Why is it the hamstring? Why don't they blow quads out? Now, they rarely, rarely happens, but it's very rare.

Starting point is 01:05:45 You hear an athlete blowing the quad out. And part of that reason is, they're overdeveloped in the quads. They're so anterior driven, they're so strong in the front that the back can't keep up. So then they're propelling it as hard as they can. They're exploding fast. Quads can handle it because it's strong, but now they have to slow down. And that's where the hamstring can be. And so the same thing would go with why it's important for you to build a strong back

Starting point is 01:06:05 because you might do something for your abs or your core that your abs or your front or your anterior is strong enough to handle, but then the low back is not. And that's why I say something like, if you're good at deadlifting and you're strong and deadlifting, you are building enough of that posterior chain to support, however strong those abs are getting. So. Now as far as breathing is concerned, breathing is important when developing any muscle

Starting point is 01:06:29 for a variety of different reason. Your breathing will send a signal to your body, either to relax or to become more amped up. This is the reason why like if you get a deep tissue massage and it hurts, you wanna breathe through it. You don't want your body to tense up even more. You don't wanna hold your breath because that'll signal to tense up.

Starting point is 01:06:46 But especially when it comes to the core, if you think about the muscles of your core, right? Your abs, your obliques, and all the internal muscles, in underneath them and deeper is your gut, are digestive organs. If those are inflamed, and I'm just using this to illustrate this example, if those are inflamed and they're pushing all the muscles out,

Starting point is 01:07:05 the muscles that surround them can't fully contract. Because they are contracting over something that's pushing them out, they can't fully shrink down and create the smallest distance between whatever points that it's trying to bring together. So it's important when you do your app exercises to really get full benefit, to breathe out when you're crunching and pulling the abs,

Starting point is 01:07:27 allow the abs to do their full contraction and squeeze. Try breathing out as you come up and do a crunch and you'll find how weird that feels or try to descend your stomach and try to do a full squeeze. It's very difficult, your abs and the muscles underneath don't get that full contraction. So I do think it's important. I think it's important that you breathe out It's very difficult, your abs and the muscles underneath don't get that full contraction.

Starting point is 01:07:45 So I do think it's important. I think it's important that you breathe out when you're on the squeeze and breathe in on the extension. And that's generally true for most exercises. If I'm doing a barbell squat, I'm breathing out on the exertion, breathing in on the way down. Or if I'm going heavy, I'm actually breathing in, holding, embracing, and then breathing out on the way up and then taking my breath at the very top.

Starting point is 01:08:07 But here's the thing with breathing. I used to tell us the clients all the time. Just breathe naturally. Yeah, naturally. Because I think breathing is like blinking your eyes. Like right now if you're listening to the podcast and I say to you, you're now blinking manually. I'm gonna fuck with your head for the next 30 seconds. Now you're gonna every time you mess with me. Yeah, you're already thinking about it, right? So sometimes it's better not to think about it. It's like just breathe naturally and do your thing. That was usually my go to answer because when we started to go down that path of like, okay, you're gonna breathe in and this part of the wrap and then breathe out and not,

Starting point is 01:08:40 the focus became too hyper-focus and it would get off. And then the lightheadedness and the dizziness and all that kind of stuff would happen as a result and it's like, okay, you got to work with the patterns that you're naturally producing already. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what about Adam, when you had clients, did you ever have to tell people to breathe? Sometimes that would happen to me.

Starting point is 01:09:02 Yeah, no, they hold it. They hold it. That's the most common. And honestly, like, because of all to that point, like I would just tell my clients, the most important thing is that you breathe. Right. Like it's like, we get, because this isn't used to be a popular question,

Starting point is 01:09:16 like, well, what's the proper way to breathe this? Well, you know, as we mess with tempos and everything like that, it's gonna be hard to try and mimic this O-breathe in on the negative breathe out when you're on the positive. That's not gonna be good either because you're gonna be doing this. I might have you doing eight second negative one time. Did you have a cue for a tense breathing?

Starting point is 01:09:33 I used to say, breathe through your teeth. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but yeah, there'd be people that would like, like a full breath and I'm like, no, you're losing tension there in your core. I used to tell people to breathe out the back of their throat. So it's like, in yoga, there's a name for it. There's a way that they teach you how to breathe in yoga, and there's a term for it.

Starting point is 01:09:54 I forgot what it was, but that's what they're teaching. Marshal arts, by the way, if you go to a karate school, for example, and you hear them do a kiai, when they throw a punch, and and they'll teach you they'll teach you say it loud scream it out right and you know and if you don't do martial arts you have no idea like what are they just making a show or whatever or if you ever hear a boxer you ever hear a boxer in the ring when they're shadow boxing and every time they throw a jab yeah okay lots of s's all it is is it's braced breathing out and so when you do a martial art and they teach you to ha they're teaching you to breathe out while bracing

Starting point is 01:10:27 and it generates more power. The good. Same reason why I bought, if you throw a punch while holding your breath, you're not gonna generate a gun. Well, what's really common, and someone who's, everyone who's listening right now could practice this,

Starting point is 01:10:36 if you don't know if you're one of these people, but most people, when they tense their abs, they hold their breath. And so the easiest cue that I used to teach people, and that was when we do a basic drawn maneuver, and I'm teaching them how to activate your transverse abdominis, and that would just be breathe in and try and tighten the abs,

Starting point is 01:10:54 but also be able to talk. Like right now I'm doing it. Right now I just tightened up my core. I'm completely activated, but I can still hold a conversation and still breathe. If you are holding your breath to tense up your core and abs, you're doing it incorrectly. So I would have them just stand up and practice that

Starting point is 01:11:11 of like, okay, tense your core, but talk to me. And if you can do that, that kind of gets that connection, they kind of understand the difference between holding your breath and bracing versus activating your core and still being able to communicate and breathe. Next question is from CGE Health, thoughts on the obesity as a disability article? I didn't see this.

Starting point is 01:11:34 So what happened was there was a guy that went to get, I'm gonna look up the article right now, just wanna screw this up. There was a guy that went to get a job at this employer and the employer had him, you know, they said, okay, you're hired, but first you got to go do this medical test or whatever in order to do this. So he goes over there, gets the test, comes back, the employer, do we know what kind of job this is?

Starting point is 01:11:59 No, it doesn't matter. No, I don't know. I don't think it matters. So he goes, gets the test, comes back and they find that his BMI is really high. So real high BMI, and they said, we're not gonna hire you. Probably because he's gonna be too expensive to ensure. So this guy takes him to court and says that he was being discriminated.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Discriminated because he's, you know, because of his weight because he's morbidly obese and it went all the way up to the supreme court and the supreme court actually it actually upheld it and said that his that that obesity is a protected class of disability so you can't discriminate against someone because the robes and not hire them and so that's what happened and now here's my here's my view on the whole thing this So you can't discriminate against someone because the robies and not hire them. And so that's what happened. Now here's my view on the whole thing.

Starting point is 01:12:49 This whole protect. Now it does kind of matter what he wanted to do. I don't think. I have an issue with the protected class thing to begin with because it actually causes more problems. If I'm an employer and I'm discriminating against you for whatever reason I want, gender, race, your obese, I don't like your hair color.

Starting point is 01:13:05 But I know, like I can't say anything about that. I can make up whatever the fuck I want. Can I? I can say, I don't want to, oh sorry, I can't hire you because you weren't good enough. And you actually have no idea why I'm not hiring you. So I don't think it really necessarily protects anyone. The other thing too is, now that it's kind of a dissap that it's considered a disability, it opens up the possibility for people to get disability benefits and stuff because of their obesity.

Starting point is 01:13:34 So it's kind of crazy. I'm not a fan of somebody who has built a company being told who they can and can't hire a period. I don't care what we're trying to protect and I'm all pro- pro equality and so on that, but I'm also not pro us forcing that on a company. It just doesn't work. No, and here's the thing,

Starting point is 01:13:53 where you live in a time now that if you are the race this guy who doesn't hire a certain race and you get found out, you will only probably appeal to that one race that you do and you're losing out on a ton of fucking appeal to that one race that you do and you're losing out on a ton of fucking business because of that. That's a fucked-year business idea. If you're the guy who refuses to hire somebody because they're obese, well, you know what,

Starting point is 01:14:13 and a lot of obese people find out about, they might not use your service anymore because and that's the risk you take as an owner of a business. And I'm quite okay with letting the market figure that out for itself. I don't agree on the courts getting involved and trying to settle a lawsuit where this guy can say, hey, you discriminated against me because I'm obese. And what really sucks about that is as an owner of a company, we know what the response with it. That's a risk. That's not good at all.

Starting point is 01:14:44 You take on somebody Who might cost the company more money like why why should I hear that if I can find someone who is just as qualified But it isn't obese and they're a lower risk for us financially. Well, it is doesn't make sense why I that's not fair that I can't do that If you have like company health insurance, you know if you have company health insurance and you start to bring on people who smoke or obese or whatnot, it could affect the cost of everybody else's. So look, here's the thing. The bottom line is higher whoever you want and if you're an asshole, you're probably not gonna, but at the end of the day, here's a deal.

Starting point is 01:15:20 Most companies, the vast majority of companies, especially ones that want to be successful, you know what the only thing they care about is really money. Yeah, they care about the profit and if they succeed and that's really the only color they give a shit about. But this whole thing about it being a disability, I think more and more we're gonna classify more and more things as disabilities as we go down the list.

Starting point is 01:15:40 At some point it kind of has to stop in my opinion, right? Like obesity, I mean, you did it to yourself. I hate to say that, but that's something you do. That's a tough pill for people to swallow these days. Yeah. You know, that's the thing. It just gets lumped in now with other like born disabilities. And it's like, if it is, if it truly is something that, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:03 you're able to control and to moderate, is it really a disability? Well, here's what's gonna happen now, right? Let's say you're, this was happening before. Remember when airlines were getting sued because they would have huge seats. Yeah, exactly. So are stores and restaurants now going to,

Starting point is 01:16:22 are they gonna be open for liability because they don't have a toilet that's big enough to serve somebody who weighs 500 pounds? That's exactly where it goes. Are airlines and train companies now gonna get sued because they tell you to buy two tickets. Two tickets, a protected class, that's exactly where it goes. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:16:40 And that's what people don't want, well that will never happen. Then it happens. Every time, dude, when you open up the floodgates like that, especially litigious things, people are hungry for those. And the reality is that the market moves in the direction that we want it to anyway. So as Americans keep getting fatter,

Starting point is 01:17:00 playing companies and train companies and restaurants, they're gonna start changing their seats and their companies and restaurants they're gonna have to start changing their seats and their toilets and all that stuff anyway because you know fifty percent of your customers coming in a row b's you know you have to create a new fit airlines you know what i'm saying so uh... you know i'm i get it like i think it sucks that this guy got discriminated just because

Starting point is 01:17:22 you know he was overweight but uh... i think he what he could have done is done the social media thing, brought it to light, boy-cotted them, and then got a job somewhere else, or no worries, it'll work. It's also, here's a thing too, reality is this, because at some point, studies show

Starting point is 01:17:38 this is quite consistent. Studies will show that if you're tall and you're good looking, the odds of getting hired are much higher. Does that does that mean now you are discriminating against somebody that's not good looking and not tall? Well, you are actually. In fact, we discriminate every day every just ugly disability, every decision you make. Maybe. I'm a sign of that. Well, every look every decision that you make requires discriminating between two decisions or more, right? I like this decision because I like this one last.

Starting point is 01:18:08 So what point do we stop the slippery slope? At what point do we stop this, you know, fine, they don't hire him because he's fatter than the other applicant. Okay, but what about the good looking person? What about the taller person? What about the smarter person? What if somebody says, hey, this job doesn't require you to be that smart.

Starting point is 01:18:27 So I was discriminated just because I'm not as smart as the other person, and this job is easy. We both could do it. Now I'm discriminated because I'm not smart enough. Do you see where this can go? Or I'm too smart. Yeah, right. Do you see where this can go?

Starting point is 01:18:37 I didn't get into the NBA because I'm fat. Yeah, this is the direction that we're going. And I think it removes people's responsibility from the cells and from their decisions. And at the end of the day, it's impossible to police someone's discrimination. They can be very sneaky and stealthy about it. And I don't know about you guys, but I would love to know which stores out there are the fucking the racist ones. Because now I know. I'm a fuck I ain't going over there. You don't want to support that. They're on the open, right? But this way people are a little bit more sneaky or whatever, so I don't turn it into

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