Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1098: Lifting with Chains, How Strength Training Slows Aging, the Pros & Cons of Minimalist Shoes & MORE

Episode Date: August 16, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to use chains in the gym, whether strength training can be the solution to many of the ailments that often accompany aging, the benefit of stretching before or after lifting heavy, and the value of minimalist shoes for someone trying to correct mobility issues in ankles and hips. Why we don’t actually WANT everything. The wisdom of spiritual teachings and having a sense of meaning. (4:37) Is there any value to tarot cards? (13:30) The one-time Justin was into D & D and how being a nerd today is cool. (18:20) PRx now has a camouflage squat rack + the benefits of sandbag training. (23:12) Mind Pump Recommends Westside vs. The World on Netflix. (28:15) How kids continue to challenge you. (32:18) What the guys do that drive their partner crazy? (38:02) The connection between Justin and Jeffrey Epstein?? (42:02) The Oprah of podcasting. Will we see Joe Rogan moderate a Presidential Debate?? (44:07) Why are heart attacks becoming more and more common amongst our youth? (46:40) #Quah question #1 – How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot? (51:42) #Quah question #2 – Thoughts on sick aging phenotype as described by Dr. Jon Sullivan in his book Barbell Prescription? Would you guys buy into the idea that strength training can be the solution to so many aliments that accompany aging? (57:42) #Quah question #3 – Should you stretch before you lift or it more beneficial to stretch after lifting heavy weights if you have tight muscles? (1:06:46) #Quah question #4 – What are your thoughts on minimalist barefoot shoes, especially for someone trying to correct mobility issues in their ankles and hips? (1:08:40) People Mentioned Dan Bilzerian (@danbilzerian)  Instagram Mark Manson (@markmanson)  Instagram Christina Rice, NTP (@christinaricewellness)  Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram Steven Crowder (@louderwithcrowder)  Instagram Jonathon M Sullivan Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Kyle Kingsbury (@kingsbu)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned August Promotion: MAPS Prime/Prime Pro ½ off!! **Code “PRIME50” at checkout** Joe Rogan Experience #857 - Dan Bilzerian Mind Pump 1050: Mark Manson- The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck Stranger Things | Netflix Official Site Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Our Shark Tank Experience - PRx Performance Westside vs. the World | Netflix Busy Board - Busy Board for Toddlers - Sensory Board - Busy Board for Kids - Activity Board for Toddlers - Locks and latches Activity Board - Baby Activity Board - Boy and Girl 12-18 Month The Gottman Method | Psychology Today The Gottman Institute | A research-based approach to relationships The INSANE Facts Behind Jeffrey Epstein's Suicide I Louder with Crowder Petition to have Joe Rogan moderate 2020 Presidential Debate is 120k signatures strong (and growing) Why Are More Young People Having Heart Attacks? Caffeine: a Growing Problem for Children The Barbell Prescription: Strength Training for Life After 40 – Book by Jonathon M Sullivan Mind Pump Free Resources

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Believe it or not, I think there's some utility in tarot cards. I don't think, I don't think so. Trust me, you'll want to hear that part. Then we talked about nerdiness and coolness, just in played Dungeons and Dragons when he was a kid, which makes them a nerd, but nowadays being a nerd is cool apparently. We talked about PRX and their brand new Camo Rack.

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with a purchase of $500 or more. Then we talked about the documentary West Side versus the World, great documentary. Adam talked about his lack of sleep while Justin and I laugh at him. It's okay, I'll catch you up, isn't it, Sal? Justin has a confession. He's somehow connected to the Jeffrey Epstein case. Before you guys all freak out listening to the episode. Don't assume anything.

He's a good guy. We talked about how there's a petition online to get Joe Rogan to moderate the presidential debate won't happen, but it would be awesome. I talked about the study showing that heart attacks are becoming more common in younger people. And I also talk about why I think that's happening. Then we get into the fitness portion of this episode.

First question, how do you use chains in the gym without looking like a dork? So we talk all about chains. What chains do for your gains? How do you use chains? And also, how to be more confident about using tools in the gym? Chains for them gain.

The next question, this person wants to know what we think about the sick aging phenotype. This is described by Dr. John Sullivan. As what happens to people as they get older, metabolic syndrome, sarcopenia, which is the loss of muscle, osteophenia, the loss of bone, becoming more frail, he talks about how resistance training is the solution to these problems, and we talk about how we agree and why we agree with what he's saying. The next question, this person wants to ask, you know, should you stretch before you lift or should you do it after you lift? The answer is yes, but it depends how you

stretch. So you're not a list of that part. And the final question, this person wants to know what our thoughts are on minimalist shoes and training barefoot. Is there any value or are you looking like a weirdo for no reason at all? Adam thinks they're dorky. Also, this month, for the first time ever, maps prime and prime pro, both of our most popular programs, are 50% off. Now, maps prime teaches you how to prime your body

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because I think it does remind me that we don't actually want everything. Like there's something to be said about the pursuit of all that stuff, your whole life and the journey to it versus just being a part of it and having it automatically. You would think that it would probably be almost depressing. I think we're constantly seeking what we think

makes us feel good not realizing that. And I don't have any clue what that is like, the closest experience that I've had to something like that was, and I've shared before on the podcast, as a kid, I had a number in my head that I needed to make or wanted to make so bad. And most of all of my teenage to young adult years were dedicated towards pursuing that.

And I remember reaching it and just, for sure the first year or two though, I'm not getting it towards pursuing that. And I remember reaching it and just, you know, for sure the first year or two though, like I totally feel like it felt like what Dan Bilsarian's Instagram felt like for a year too. I'm saying like in my head and in my world, like it was like, fuck, I did it, I made it, it's amazing.

Buy this, do that, do all these things. And then it just kind of, it lost its lustre. And then also you start of it lost its luster. And then also you start seeing all the the negative things that come with the things that you just didn't dream, think about when you were dreaming about it your entire life. Like, you know, when you all said, you have more money, everybody wants to hit you up for money all time. Or people then begin to expect you always to pick up the tab and pay for things. Or, oh, I can't actually

go do all these cool fun things with my friends unless I pay the bill and do all of it. And, oh, I'm attracting people that are only attracted to those things. Yeah, right. And it's like, so you start all of a sudden seeing all those things more. And I could just you know what it reminds me of. This is a very simple basic analogy. You know, the old analogy of the kid who gets caught smoke cigarettes by his dad and the old the whole pack. Yeah, that was the old punishment. We're like, all right, you want smoke cigarettes smoke the whole pack and the kid, of course, my grandpa made me do that to a stoke.

No, no, did he really? Yeah, why don't we catch you? It's only through up. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think we don't realize that if we have everything that we think we want, we'll realize very quickly that that's not at all what we need. And then it's a terrible place to be in.

So now where do you go? So, yeah, exactly. So what do you do if you're somebody like Dan Bilzerian? Like what do you do? Do you just, exactly. So, what do you do if you're somebody like Dan Bilzerian? Like, what do you do? Do you just, I mean, now you become like a monk and you walk away from all that stuff? Like, where do you find it? He needs to go to space.

Like, where do you, so? That's just the next level. Yeah, dude. That's just the next level. That's just the next level. Yeah. It goes, it goes. You've conquered here.

15 Instagram models, naked in your house all the time. Start a weed company, land on the moon. New planet dude. You gotta go all the time, start a weed company, land on the moon. New planet dude. You gotta go on another plan, start over. You've hit the top level. Well dude, look at the studies on people who win the lottery, look at the suicide and depression rate and drug abuse rate among celebrities.

Celebrities are great examples because celebrities have access to all the things that we think would be awesome, right? Like if you're a movie star or a music, you know, celebrity or whatever, a musician, you have access to very attractive people who want to have sex with you. Movie stars. Yeah. Lots of money. Movie stars want to be Dan Billsarian. Yeah. Movie stars. All the movie stars follow that guy. I think, well, whatever. Like you have access to all the, and Billsarian. Yeah. All the movie stars follow that guy dude. I think, well, whatever. Like you have access to all the, and Bill Zarian's almost killed himself.

I think once or twice through drug overdoses and, oh really. Yeah. Hard attack. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

He said he went to Mexico and with a bunch of girls and just did a bunch of cocaine and partied and had like a, I think it was in, was it his late 20s? Or something like that? Yeah. Was that something you heard on Joe Rote? He interviewed him there. Yeah, he said it.

I didn't listen to that episode. I didn't listen to that episode. Yeah, it was a good one. Was it good? Yeah, so I did. Yeah, he had two hard, hard to, oh, 25. He was 25 results. Back to back, hard to tax at 25.

Wow. Yeah, man, it's weird, you know. Did Joe dive into that? Did Joe get into? Yeah, they did. Did he ask him, like, you know, when you got all these things this and that, is it get lame and boring and depressing? I don't remember if he said that.

He did a little bit and yeah, he totally sounded like, you know, there was days where he was like bored with it, you know, and you have to be. He checked them on that a little bit, yeah, because it's like, yeah, I mean, you have so much excess all the time. It has to be like the new norm. It's not just bored. I think it's, if you're seeking it and you're driving towards it constantly, you have something to pursue. You have a meaning. Once you get there and you're like, yes, I made a million dollars. And then you're there. And you're like, uh, yeah, this is not, well, you remember the fulfillment that I know. Yeah, you remember when Mark Manson talking about that, you know, hitting hitting a new

time. You're going getting depressed. Yeah. And then being depressed and being locked up in his house. Bro, this is why I think this is the value I believe of spiritual practices. I'm not being specific. I'm actually being quite general here, but because I think there's a lot of different ways to approach this, but I think that's the real value of them. And what's happened, and for, look, religions and spiritual practices have been around since human civilization has been around. And they've stuck and been around with us this entire time because I think that there's a real value, and I don't think the value is in explaining things.

That's not where I think the value is. I don't think the value of spirituality is not telling us where the sum comes from or the moon comes from. I think the value is in the meaning that you find from philosophy and from spirituality. And we're entering into an age where, because what happened is humans discovered science. We discovered the scientific method. And science is up until now, the best method in tool we've ever discovered at solving problems. It's phenomenal at solving problems. It's objective, there's a testing protocol, it's duplicatable, it's brilliant at solving problems.

Now the issue with that is that we think now science is the answer to everything and we think that it has the solution to everything, but it doesn't. It doesn't have the, there's a couple problems. One science is amoral. Now it's supposed to be amoral. That's the idea. It's objective. You don't want science to have an opinion It's just you know this happened or this didn't happen Now the problem with that obviously is because it's a moral if we don't have a

Morality a lattice of morality surrounding it than the only thing that'll ever happen is we'll always ask Can we do that? Let's try. Can we do, for example, if we said, can we, you know, what if we could clone a human or make a human and engineer them to be six foot five incredible athletes, no genetic disease is perfect, hyper intelligent, but we have to go in there and make this happen through, you know, messing with the sperm and the egg

and just scientists genetically engineer these perfect humans. Well science would say, make sense. Oh yeah, we'd solve all these problems. Why not? Why not? Let's do it. But something inside of us tells us there may be something wrong with that.

I don't know if that's necessary the answer to what life is all about type of deal. That's the morality. It asks, should we, not's, it asks, should we, not necessarily just can we, in sciences and have it. The thing about science is, it doesn't give you, you'll never find meaning with science. You'll find, you'll find why you feel a particular, what we know with chemically what love looks like,

we know chemically what being attached to someone looks like. We knew all that stuff, and we might be able to duplicate it with drugs, but we know what happens when people seek meaning with drugs. They do more and more and more and it becomes an obsession and addiction because you never feel it. You never feel that meaning and you end up becoming addicted to drugs and things become a lot worse in drugs or science.

So I think we're in an interesting age and I think that those questions are answered not through science. I think there's wisdom in spiritual teachings and I think that those questions are answered not through science. I think there's wisdom in spiritual teachings, and I think that's where you'll find it. So science tells us, I want money, pleasure, enjoyment. Those things feel good, give me all those things. And then what happens when you get all those things? You sit there and you realize, like, oh shit, this is not.

That's why, I mean, if you look at all these spiritual practices, they all teach detachment. All of them. Buddhism, Christianity, you know, philosophers talk about detachment. Why would detachment be so important, you know? Like if you got lots of money, if you identify with your money and this is who I am, that's a problem. If you have lots of money but you identify with it, like take it or leave it, I know what

I am, who I am, I know what my meaning is. That seems to be a better place to be in. They all talk about stuff like that around those steps of things. So anyway, I think it's pretty fascinating. Actually leads me to something I think you guys are gonna fucking get a kick out of. So you know, Christina was in your guest today and she's always bringing her tarot cards.

Awesome. Yeah. So what's your understanding of tarot cards? What do you think people think they're doing or say they're doing? Like what's the value of tarot cards? Like, what do you think people think they're doing or say they're doing? Like, what's the value of them, what'd you say? If there is any value. There is no value, too.

Yeah, I go. There's no value to them. I'm trying to figure that out, because for me, it's just like, oh, okay, so this is just like, you're talking about like chance, like, based off of whatever card you get. It's like Horusco's to be for you.

It's Horusco's bullshit. It you. It's Horusco bullshit. Just to say that you ever read your horoscope. Oh my God, it's always speaking to me. It's general statements that you could find, you know, relevance and you know, like you can read into it, you can project yourself into it doesn't matter what it is. So I always thought it was like,

oh, it's, you know, spirits or some kind of, you know, mystical intuition and whatever. And you know, you guys know how I feel about that. And you guys kind of mystical intuition and whatever. And you know, you guys know how I feel about that and you guys kind of feel the same about that kind of stuff. But no, there's actual, I think I see the utility and potential value. She closed you last night and didn't. No.

We'll check this out. He got a really good guy. Don't try to get involved. Come on, dude. I got a terrible card. It's bullshit. It has nothing to do with that. I'll leave it.

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Rorschach. Yeah, Rorschach. You see those right? Where psychologists will hold up like a black blob. And the black blob. Yeah. So what's the value in that? What's the value in the psychologist, the psychiatrist,

showing an Eichlach. They can see how you think, right? Right, the utility is in your own intuition is saying about yourself, right? Okay. So if you look at the cards in a tarot deck or decks of cards that are similar, Rorschach, that Rorschach, with the R.

So when you look at a deck of tarot cards or cards that are similar, when you actually examine the cards themselves, you realize that, and you guys are kind of alluding to this, they can be interpreted many, many, many different ways. So the card could say, for example, you know, big changes are happening, are going to come, prepare yourself, and you can interpret it and be like, oh man, I'm going through, I'm going to go through a divorce, I know, or you can be like, oh my god, my business is

going to blow up or whatever. Right. Okay. So that's the key here. The key is that these cards are specific but general enough to where you can interpret them into many different ways. So here's the utility. The utility is this. How often do you have an inner voice or intuition that you constantly question and challenge? You know, and then later on, you're like, you know what? I should have listened to myself.

I knew that. I knew that what I was thinking. Happens quite often to a lot of us. And so when you're doing these cards, you pull up these cards, the way you interpret them is everything. Now, it's not telling you the future or anything like that. What it's doing is allowing you to have a conversation with your own intuition. It's allowed in your inner voice. 100%. That's all it is.

All of it. All of it. And it's a tool. It's a tool. Now, is it a perfect tool? No, not at all, because you get backfire. If you have negative self-talk, and then you get a card that gets in your head more,

and it probably will come true later. Correct, correct. Well, and that's my point. But if let's say you have a good job of really having a conversation with yourself. So we did these, she was trying to explain to me, and then the way she explained it, I was like, wait a minute, I can see some utility in this.

So then we did them again, and I realized the way I interpret them just tells me about my own inner voice, what I kind of know to be true, and it helped validate it. But you have to be honest with yourself when you do these types of things. And then I realized that's why these fucking cards are so popular, and that's why they've lasted for so long, is because there's some utility in that.

And it's just a tool. I could see it being a psychological tool. You're just training your thought process. Yeah, like, you know, think about that inner voice where you're dating someone and that inner voice is like, you know, this person's crazy. You don't want to be with this person. This is not a good relationship.

But for whatever reason you're attracted to them, you're stuck, but you got this inner voice. Then you do the cards and the cards say, you know, the cards present whatever and you interpret them as like get the fuck out of the relationship. You're like, you're stuck, but you got this in a voice. Then you do the cards and the cards say, the cards present whatever, and you interpret them as like, get the fuck out of the relationship, you're like, you know what, I know this, this resonates. I know this to be true, I need to make this this, you know something like that. I know this is one step towards the devil.

Yeah. That's one more step closer to the devil. Yeah, so shut up. Anyway, can you guys see what I'm trying to say? No, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Cool, right? Yeah. Yeah, I do it. Yeah, I do it. You had a deck narrower, trying to say? No, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, right?

Yeah, I do it. Yeah. You know, I'd be like, you know, I'd be like, you know, I do it. No, I didn't. But I told her this yesterday and my mind was so blown and she was so surprised like, why my mind was blown? I told her, I'm like, because you guys don't sell it, right? You don't explain the shit, right?

So this is why I got into D&D for a minute, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever do that? I was like, I was like a wizard, you. I'm doing the drug use. Yeah, D&D. Did you ever do that? I was like a wizard, you know, it's cool to like pretend you're a wizard. You did D&D? Only for a little bit.

I didn't know that. When I was like in elementary school. I don't know man, that's like, what is it? How many points on the nerd scale is that? That's high. That's a lot. I didn't do it quite large, but I definitely do. Who saved you?

Where did you go to this? To tell my friends, like, because you're not a lot of play D&D. They punched me. You can't do D&D and sports. I know, I mixed the other. I mixed the nerds and then I went back to sports. So yeah, I have like a saucepot for all my nerds out there.

Do you remember what grade you were in when it came in your life? I think it was like fourth grade. Okay, so you were really. That's all right. If you're in high school. Yeah, if you're in high school, yeah, there's no... Yeah, there were so kids, bro, at lunch break, they went and played D&D, the rest of us like socialized.

They, you know, what they got into is one rainy day recess, you know, into me and I was like, oh, this is cool. And then, you know, me, I like fantasy and like sci-fi, I could have, I could have, I didn't realize how far back that gang goes. Gold. Yeah, so I thought it became popular when we were kids, because I didn't know of it before.

When did it come out, 70s? I guess. I know it was popular in the 80s. Before that. It's before us, yeah. So I thought we, I thought it was our generation that brought it to be, but it had, I found out later on that it would be.

I don't know much about it, but I do know that it's pretty complex if I'm not mistaken. Oh, yeah. Well, remember, aren't they playing it in stranger things? Yeah, they were. Yeah, they had that magic together. They had multiple variations of it.

But that's pretty much the idea of it, right? It is. Yeah, you got cards, you tell a story, you make weird sounds. You're really in wizards and elves and shit, you'll get sucked in. Yeah, well, you know what's funny is that today being a nerd does not mean the same thing as it used to be. Well, it's cool. It's exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Somebody let it out, let it all the nerds rule the world. Yeah. He's somebody finally told everybody, like, hey, you know that high school quarterback guy and the guy that's all popular square-dow, he ends up being a douche, 90% of the time. And he was like, kid, they fucking, every movie, you know, the cool jock guy,

they got all the chicks, he ends up like, bald and fat and drinking Yeah, I all day right dude some shitty ass job if he has a job And this is a convenience store and the kid and the kid that was isolated by self-reading novels at lunchtime Yeah, that's your boss So fucking wise up No, no, it's true nerds are not they're not they're not looked at the same way at all. In fact, doing nerdy things is kind of cool. Don't you think that's why though? I feel like that's kind of that that came that came to be where people started. I mean, maybe it was different probably in

the 50s and 60s. Maybe the popular kids got all the fucking cool jobs back then. Yeah, because it was it was maybe it was it was a different time back then where you could get a job just because you were the cool kid and you knew so what you knew someone who knew someone. Well, you were some interesting stuff though. Stuff that made, at least when we were kids, certain things that made you nerdy when you were in high school when I was a kid, also made you fucking cool when you were in your 20s and 30s. For example, here's a good one.

Let's say you played the fucking, an instrument. Let's say you played, I don't care what instrument, saxophone or trumpet or trombone. When you're a teenager, you're a fucking dork. When you're in your late 20s, or the 30s. Not at all. No way you playing instrument.

Bruh, you came out with a trombone right now and started rocking the dopest tune ever. I mean, I would be impressed. I'm gonna throw something in there. That's what I'm saying, but you still be a fucking nerd. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, wait, what you're getting mixed up with and I won't agree with this is like, I mean, you could serenade nerd. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're what you're getting mixed up with and I and I will agree with

This is like that I mean you could serenade a chick and a chick is into that when you get it That's what I'm saying. It's an adult. I don't make you more cool with the boys. I always wanted to play in the piano Does not make you more cool with your boys with your boys? Yes. No, none of my boys if my boys came out You go to you go to a fucking me rocks and Beethoven right now You go to a bar and there's a piano in there just on the side. Oh, he just busts Your dorky friend goes over and starts playing and all the girls give him attention. He's cool He's cool instantly. I can't get on board with it Better now you're normally really good your knowledge is not so good on this one. I don't know man

We'll see ladies if a guy plays an instrument in his 20s and 30s He's actually good and he's good at it. You have to be really good. Is that nerdy or is that kind of you would have to be at another level good? Yeah, you really will have you suck. Well, no, even if you don't just check it. You're just like kind of an average if you're an average piano playing dude in his 20s. It's not that cool. Dude, I knew a kid in high school who played the harmonica. Dork. Later on when he's like in his late 20s at a bar, pulls out his harmonica, everybody's drunk. He became blues traveling.

He's fucking cool, everybody's singing along. They're like, that guy's great. I don't know dude, maybe there's just levels to cool. You haven't seen like super cool before. Yeah, well I play this. And there's certain instruments too. Yeah, let's see. Yeah, there's a hierarchy.

You're gonna get laid, you're totally not. Yeah, is there a accordion still not cool? Was that coming back? No, no. You're better not cool. Only for weird out. He pulled it off. You bring that out.

Yeah. Anyways, that guy's a man. Hey, so what's up with the new design that PRX put on their... The camo. Yeah. It's like, you see that? It's snake skin camo or something. I think it's cool, man.

Like, I would have had that if I out of decked the whole room out for the boys and made it like a cool like fort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to have that if I had to deck the whole room out for the boys and made it like a cool like four. Doug pulled that up Rachel was talking about that and I don't know why they did it but I think it looks cool. There's got to be a reason behind that you don't you're not a company like PRX and you don't all of a sudden decide I'm going to make camouflage racks without it. Well the racks are already fold in flat against the wall so I guess if you want them even more incognito.

So if you're where is it if? If you're a wall of sea. I'd like to fucking, the forest. Yeah, because that's how everybody paints their fucking rocks. I don't want to see it. I know, I'm actually really curious to, to why are you trying to pull it up right now, Doug? I think there's a demand, bro.

Look how many people wear, no, I think so. I've seen a lot of the barbells are getting like wraps and different colors. It looks, it actually looks tough. It does look cool. It looks barbells are getting like wraps and different cool layers. It looks tough. It does look cool. It looks really tough. It does look tough.

No, it looks really fucking cool. I'm just, I'm curious to know. You know what though? Have you guys seen, there's been some people that have taken it like on the outside part of their house. Like so it's like, there's a covering like an awning. So it's like kind of in your backyard. So it's like half kind of outdoor, but also,

I like that. It's a good idea. That's just to go well with that. That's smart because when you fold it up against the house, it's underneath the side of the house. It's on the awning. Yeah, so it's not gonna get any rain or anything on it. And then when you wanna use it,

you fold it out and you're squatting outside. Yeah, dude. Oh, that's like damn. I would have loved to do that. No, they have the best, they have the best. Okay, so you know what this reminds me of, looking at this camo squat rack or whatever. You guys ever see pictures of like, you pictures of military overseas

when they have their gym set up in Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever. Yeah, they're wrapping suspension trainers on tanks and they're doing barbell presses with tires and shit like that and the whole thing is kind of camoed out or whatever. It kind of reminds me of a little bit of that. You know what I did see on their site too? They out or whatever. Kinda reminds me of a little bit. You kinda looks like that. You know what I did see on their site too? They have sandbags.

Like everybody always asks me, where can I get sandbag, for our map strong program? Your excess sandbags? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. They sell sandbags and they also sell dumbbells in case that was something too that you had.

Shout out to our awesome partners. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Just go through them, man. They were on Shark Tank. Yes, silly. Why didn't know that? Why did I forget that? I must have known that. That's through that, man. They were on Shark Tank? Yes, silly. You didn't know that. Why did I forget that?

I must have known that. Yeah, I was the baby game. That's what it tried to tailor to them in the first place. Oh. Yeah, when he first brought it to me, he's a K-check this company out there on Shark Tank, and I really like what they're doing by the blow. That's how he first initially introduced it to us.

Oh, right. Look at that. I didn't know they had the sandbags. Yeah, bro. So here's a thing about sandbags that likes to communicate. However much you think you can lift, go lighter. Sandbags are way harder to hold than you think. Oh yes.

We have a 200 pound one here. I can lift 200 pounds. I could do it with one hand on a barbell. I think you're lifting a 200 pound sandbag and carrying it. Completely different story. And what it does is it encourages rounded back lifting. So, and what I mean by that is not your lower back,

but rather your upper back. Because when you're lifting it, you're hugging it, you have to spread your scapula and round your back and or hug this round. Well, these ones, we have the ones like, that Rogue makes that are like, kind of, I don't know how you would describe, almost like tree stumps,

versus these are even better because they got the handles. So you can actually, yeah, you can do the, the cleans the snatch in like the shouldering moves way better. So good. You know, I was watching a video by Joe DeFranco the other day, this reminds me of, and he's just, the guy always puts out the thing about DeFranco

that I like a lot is he puts out a great solid information, but he does a good job communicating. Is our course is it up for people to register for that with him? I don't think it's up yet. Oh, it's common though. Yeah, we're, when is it, we scheduled it, didn't we? Yeah, we did. Yeah, when is he coming, when is he coming to MindPom?

Uh, November? November. We're gonna have a full defranco certification. Yeah, no, yeah. I'm sorry, yeah. But anyway, he did, the guy, he does such a good job communicating, um, good information. And he made such a fucking excellent point.

When we're lifting weights, we are constantly strengthening the scapular retracted into press position. When you bench press, you're constantly pulling the shoulder blades down and back. When you're doing rows, you're focusing on that back and down squeezing. He says, it's a good idea to offset that with some scapular forward pressing movements because that scapular forward press,

spreading the scapular is the serratus. And a lot of people develop issues with their serratus from balances because they never strengthen it. So like a push up where you're pushing up and then rounding your shoulders at the top would be a good idea to offset that retracted scapular in position.

Especially guys like who like us, who lift all the time. Now obviously the average person, you got to focus on pulling the shoulders back. Right, you got to correct a lot of normal, like day-to-day postural issues. Yeah, but if you train a lot, a lot, a lot, it's like a good idea to focus on pressing with the rounded back as well. I know we've talked about that. Well, that just makes a lot of sense. That just highlights the importance of going through full range of motion on movements and strengthening it all the way through. Yeah.

Versus shortening things. Yeah, because some people get scapular winging and they get issues with their shoulder blades because their serratus is not strong or weak or whatever. That causes shoulder and stroke. Dude, speaking of lifting, I watched last night because I don't sleep anymore. I was watching West Side versus the World. Have you guys seen that? I saw the movie Simmons.

40 minutes of it. Oh, okay. Did you, what, you, you, you, you, seen that? I saw the movie Simmons story. 40 minutes of it. Okay. Did you, what, you, you, you, you fell off, you didn't like it? Um, yeah, when I was watching it, Jessica, it was all right. It wasn't amazing, but I, there, there, there was a maniac. There's a couple of things that I didn't fucking know that.

He was responsible. Did you guys know he's the one who was who created the reverse hyper. Yeah, you invented the reverse hyper, yeah. I did not know that because he injured his back like, yeah, I didn't know he, I did not know he created that. I also didn't know that he completely popularized chains and bands. Yeah.

Yeah. Nobody else was using chains or bands. Like, and he talks about the story of like that, how that came to be. He doesn't take the credit. I don't remember, I do remember him talking about what did he say about the chains and bands? Well, both, both of them, he doesn't take credit as he invented it. He's just like the first person started applying it to build strength. Like somebody brought it up to him and he at that time was, uh, uh,

reading, I forget what book it is, the, uh, the popular Russian, uh, strength training book that we've, I think we've even talked about in the show before. He's reading that and it's just talking about, uh, the strength curve and then manipulating that and training. And so he's like, he was, they were like playing around with these, I forget what they were called. No, it's not super training. It's a different book.

I know we've talked about it before, or alluded to it, but before chains and bands are popular, the Russians used to do this thing where it's like a straight bar and there's like weights at the bottom. Oh, it drops the weights off. Yeah, it drops the weights off. Yeah, and it drops the weights off. That's how it originated. That concept and that idea of loading it on... Loading the negative.

Yes. Yeah, so basically the way that works, which those are valuable tools also. They're different than chains and man. It's like you lift a weight, it's got a bar hooked around your weight with weights hanging from the bottom, but they're low, they're kind of close to the floor.

You lower the weight, so it's heavier to lower, but then when you hit the floor, those weights hit the floor and it unhooks, now you can press up a lot of weight. That's cool. So it overloads the negative power. That's how it originated. It originated from that, and then somebody I think told them like, oh, I use chains to create that same thing.

And so then he started using chains like crazy. And then he was trying to, and he actually talks about the difference between the chains and bands. And I know we get that as a question all the time. And he leans more towards the bands. They started band-age training like crazy. I love bands more than, I like chains too,

but chains are, they just wreck my body more. Bands feel smooth and they don't, bands are smoother for sure. Yeah, it does feel like it could sway a little, has a little more movement to it. I just thought it was interesting that I did not know he was responsible for a lot of those things. I like those bars too that flex, you know,

for deadlifting so you can get like one weight to lift off and then the next and then the next and then the next. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah, absolutely. You, it's cool about What's that called in Texas? Gosh darn it. What's his name that was the guy that ran Westside barbell? I can't believe it Lewis Simmons What I love about him and it highlights this quite well in our space

I think it's another spaces to is that the best coaches are And the ones that really revolutionize how we train, are just the ones that seem to be the most intuitive. You know what I'm saying? Like, he doesn't have all this, like, no, he doesn't have a crazy degree in the field. He didn't have formal education, no, that stuff, but he was very intuitive when he said,

okay, that I think that might work, or let's try this, or let's apply that, and then he tested out in the work. Joe DeFranco did that with pulling the sled. Remember how people argued like crazy with him about sled pulling and say, oh, that's gonna make him slow down. It'll make for faster. For running mechanics.

Yeah, now he's got formal education too, but it's this intuitive aspect of, and Westside Barbell produced champions. I mean, they just continue to produce champions, but brutal. Brutal. Got it. Their gym for a long time was his garage.

Bro, the whole time it's been a shit hole. In the documentary, I think he moved to three or four different locations. Every one of them was a shit hole. I mean, he thrived in that environment. I don't think he ever desired to have like a commercial looking Jim. It was a good documentary.

So you couldn't go to sleep, that's why you watched it? Oh, dude, I just, what's up with the sleep? Don't fucking sleep, bro. Last night I did it and he's going through this like, I forget what they call it, there's a phase of where he's just fussy as shit and he has, there's like two periods of the day and one of them happens to be fucking late at night

where he's just little cocky. Oh, bro, I was flipping around looking for the return policy last night. That's fucking, I don't take this thing back. You know why you love him so much? Because if you did it, nobody, everybody be. I was like, I'm fucking, I don't wanna take this thing back. I'm crying, I'm crying. You know why you love him so much? Because if you did it, nobody, everybody be like,

fuck this, I'm out of here. I think he's like, he's crying. I do this like humming, singing thing to him in it, because I can't sing either. Where, how do you, can I hear it? No, absolutely not. Oh man, only this is, this is, this is for me and him, right?

Yeah, that's it. But I'm humming like, I love you, Maximus. That's all I'm humming to him. I just repeat that over and over. And I'm like, as he's like crying, I'm thinking in my head like, oh my God, you have to do this chant in your head for what to your point. You know, because I do love you.

I do love you, I really, because that's what it's starting to sound like to me when I'm singing. And remember the funny story. It was so much sweeter when he was early on. Oh, yeah. They challenge the sh- You know what it's like, this challenging,

then it's like so awesome. This is so great and then challenging. Yeah, it doesn't end by the way. I'm really, what I've- Has never, has never ended the challenge. I know it changes. I see that. I see that with my two best friends,

it's nice seeing that they both are six months and a year phases ahead of me. And so I can see, and what it looks like that happens, and I know I was aware of this, it's just more apparent, I'm paying more attention to it now, it's just that each phase, there's pluses and minuses, right? It's like, oh, now he, he no longer wants to fall asleep on your chest,

but now he's like saying words and he's doing things with that, but now you're gonna watch, he gets into everything, and so sticks his finger and everything. Yeah, yeah, so I think that they're there. Oh my God. I'm actually just really, I'm really proud of Katrina and I because as little asleep I feel like that we've both been

having and we haven't got into it at all. And everyone would say that to me like, oh man. If you do, don't feel bad about it too. If you do, also don't feel bad about it. It's totally normal. It's the first two to three years are the hardest. If you look at like split up rates, divorce rates, difficulty rates, like the first two or three years

is like you gotta get through, don't you think that was true? Totally for me, that's the hardest. It's trial by fire. Yeah, and then once you get out of that first couple of years then things start to, my sister has, you know, she's got a lot of kids, and every time the first two years, man,

they go through a real rough patch. And then after that, they kinda get better, and she's like, I wanna have another kid, and like, did you forget? Yeah, what happened last time? Yeah, that's kinda, I kinda feel like that as I'm going to them. I don't know if I'm gonna,

I have a really good memory, man. I think I'll remember this. That's what I said, go into the second one. That's what I'm like. And the exact opposite for it. Yeah, you sure you wanna do this again? Because you're a survivor of ever. So in some kids, like my kids were,

they were okay like this. They weren't too squirrely or whatever, but some kids, once they start walking, like I have nieces and nephews that. You literally can't take your eye off of them. That's Hunter. That's little, so watching my best friend right now, and I'm exhausted watching him because he will not

sit still. He is just constantly running, throwing, banging, dropping. Just my youngest man. You cannot sit for literally 10 seconds because he won't sit still. He doesn't know. You'll find the one thing in the room that's breakable. Yeah, and go right for it. Yes.

That's my nephew. My nephew's just fucking, and my parents are watching, and my mom is like, I'm not, I'm too old to do this. This is getting me tired. Have you seen those boards that they create for kids like this? I think it's fucking. It's like door knobs and she'll like this. Yeah.

He may, I forget there's a name for him and I know it's viral on, on Tumblr or Pinterest or one of those fucking things that everybody goes on to. And he, he did it, and it's probably, I'd say it's probably about five feet long to probably three feet tall, and they went to Home Depot and just bought door knobs and switches and PVC pipe. 21, that's brilliant.

Yeah, and it's just got all these things for him to hit and spin and pull and drop and like it just keeps He says that that thing is pretty cool. You got like fence him in Yeah, well, so it is it's actually he made it part of his fence So he has a deck outside and he has a there's a gap for where you go out to the pool And he has made that as the fence to stop the stop him from going in there So he can roam around on the deck now he goes now The only problem with it is he loves it so fucking much that he just wants to go out there all day

So it's like nine o'clock a night and he's standing there. There's a busy board a busy board Busy boy. Yeah, those like these child museums no wonder it took off. Yeah, that was that's brilliant I didn't even think to do that because I've been to those you know when my kids were young too And didn't even think to make my own I said that's I've never seen anyone make one home But it does make so much sense. You're like easy to make, easy, yeah. Yeah, jeep, simple. Yeah, yeah. Did you, Justin, when your kids were younger,

did they ever go through this phase where my daughter did this where I would say don't throw that on the floor, and she would look at me and just like, right. Now, why am I bawling you as they do it? Yeah, gangsters, fuck, just watching me like, oh this, and then just, one time I'm like, don't pour that on the floor. And she grabbed it sir is fucked, just watching me like, oh this, and then just, one time I'm like, don't pour that on the floor. Yes.

And she grabbed it and I said, don't you dare, and she literally went like this. And just, And all you do is see red, and then I started laughing. Like that's how I learned how to like turn my rage into laughter. Otherwise, it would die. You know, it was like survival.

Yeah. So, I had to just laugh it off. It was my least favorite stage. Yeah, that was a tough one. Yeah, I was like, what do you do? And then I tested this out, I'd be like, I want to know boundaries. Oh, and then I test that, I throw it on the floor.

I'm like, maybe we should do the opposite. And then she's like, okay, cool. Throw it on the floor. I'm like, there's no way I can win. It's not going to happen. I'll come in. I also noticed too, I don't know if it's the fatigue setting or what about that, that I do a little more scatter brain type

stuff that I think probably annoys my girl. That that there's this thing that I do every once in a while. It's very rare I do this, but it seems to be more common because I'm sleep deprived, I think, or because I got a lot of things going on on my on my play. But there's only a couple things where I get like the real evil eye from Katrina, where she just doesn't even respond She just kind of turns her head looks at me like the fuck you just say or what you know

I don't get that a lot but every once well and I have this bad habit and it's and I it's the boys right? So when I take the boys walking and they're my two bulldogs and If they get distracted the another dog is coming, is that I have this thing that I do that gets their attention and it works every time. You know, if I do it like that, it'll get them to look at me and I'm trying to get their attention and they'll stop doing it. And it's just a fast way when they're going a direction, I don't want them to or I want them to pay attention to me and not be distracted by whatever is walking by. But every once in a while, I do that to Katrina. Uh. You did it.

Yeah. Yeah. Unintentionally. Just trying to get her a two or a quick. Yeah, yeah. Like she gets up real quick and to move and it's weird. Yeah. And I would bother her.

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ah, I can't wake that sound. And she gets so, like every time, yeah, she's like, why do you, why do you do that? And I'm like, I don't know. I just water. I have to do it that way. Maybe I got conditioned by fucking

co-compensate commercials. That's fine, I don't have kid. So, now when I drink, I'm all like quiet, trying to make it quiet, but I can't. So, I'm like, so even when you drink, it's not satisfying. It's like satisfying to do that. I drink and I think it's because I'm holding my breath. That's why I let the breath out. I don't know. Yeah. No, a coordinate. Oh, dude. So every night, the last few nights, I would say maybe like for the last two weeks. And this has been a constant battle forever is the sheets tucked in versus untucked. Like I can't tuck the sheets on my feet.

I can't do it. I feel restricted. Like hotels? No, I hate that. I have to do it immediately. Like I cannot kick it off. And that just drives her insane. Like I don't know why it's like,

I'm just like, you can have him tuck, I'm doing this right now, I'm tucking your side in, but I'm free. I'm a free bird. Dude, you're not gonna confine me to this bullshit, right? And dude, I don't know what, like the other night, I just barely like really slowly do, because I know it really irritates her.

And so I'm like taking it off and I'm put my feet and I'm like, you know, just kind of stretching like around. And she's like, that doesn't. Yeah. Like throws this huge like, like stink about it. I'm like, oh my god, I don't know if we're ever gonna solve this. This is gonna always be an issue. No, you get, I was watching this video by Dr. John Gottman.

Love that guy. Great relationship. Did you watch that video? I said, by the way, I didn't. Yeah. Watch it with a girl. Meaning to. Yeah. I sport. It sounds amazing. It's such a good video. But he talks about stuff like that. And he says, there's a point with small things like that where both people just are okay with it. He's like, there's like, there's like stages that you go through and then you hit this final stage where, I see my parents are this way. They used to fight over shit all the time that today, they just like, whatever, that's your dad.

You're my mother's dad. That's what he does, that's what she does. Yeah, you just kind of get over it and you don't care anymore. I can't wait to get to that. We're getting there. Yeah, that's gonna be the best. Right now it's in the pinnacle of it.

Hey dude, what's your, what's your, this is kind of scary for me. So I wanna make sure that we were careful about talking about this. Yeah, please. But I, I, I, you were talking about how there's a connection between you and Jeffrey Epstein. Okay.

Okay. Okay. All right. You been to the island? No. No, don't be throwing that out there. No. No, there's nothing crazy like that.

But okay, I was watching, louder with Crowder. My friend had told me about this. He, no, there's nothing crazy like that. But okay, I was watching a louder with Crowder. My friend had told me about this. He was watching and he's like, dude, you'll never believe it. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, so somebody from high school, this cheerleader that we both knew very well was, I don't know why. Very well. Those little slip. Anyways, she was on there, I guess. Very well. Yeah, it was on like, inside addition. And so they were like, referring to this clip of, I mean, they were talking about the

whole conspiracy and how, you know, like, everything behind it and stuff. And then they showed this clip of, basically, this girl, Shantay, who was taking, you know, the reporters onto this, onto this plane, this privateay, who was taking, you know, the reporters onto this plane, this private plane, and was talking about how she was like his private masseuse. And oh, she's in that clip that I sent to you guys on the main thread. That said, the YouTube, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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you didn't hang out with her anymore or whatever. No, I had no idea what she was up to in life or whatever since high school. And now you watch this video like that and she's talking about being his private masseuse. Yeah, private masseuse. Oh. She's getting in there. They're gonna ask her a lot of questions. I know and I'm like, why would she go on like a major national

television and be a social. Well, maybe she's innocent. Maybe she literally was just a masseuse getting paid lots of money because I'm sure you paid her a shit ton. I mean, that's what I'm gonna lean on. I'm just saying that that's crazy that you know, I know somebody in that world. You know what else is crazy? I saw that the, not petition. What's it? Is it a petition that they're trying to sell?

Oh, online, the online petition. Yeah. To have Joe Rogan moderate the debate. Yes. Oh, that would be brilliant. It's already got, it's gonna happen. Pro, it's gonna, wait, I'll never let it happen. No, why?

I don't know, dude, we didn't let it happen, dude. We're in a different time now. They, they, they, I would love if Joe Rogan moderated the debate and asked the questions everybody really wants. Oh my God, that would be awesome. Encourner's these fuckers because they, the way they answer questions is so ridiculous. Like, you know what, that's a good question, John.

I'm gonna get to that in just a second, but I do want to say that I feel America's degraded. Like, and then you're John and it's like, you didn't answer the question and then they move on i would love that if broken to that you imagine yeah that go case so are there aliens you first you know what if what if what if

what if presidents or candidates start doing it though on their own like not work because that you would think that there would be some okay imagine there's you know x amount of candidates that are running right now and joe puts it out there that hey i, I'm going to host my, it's not going to be the presidential debate. But if you want, but if you want, I'm going to be inviting. I think it would be smart. Not that could happen.

Right. He's already had like a bunch of presidential candidates on his show. Right. So he's already got the context and relationship with them. They, obviously it's smart for them because millions of people listen to Joe Rogan. He's become the Oprah of podcasting. So wouldn't it make smart for them because millions of people listen to Joe Rogan. He's become the Oprah of podcasting. So wouldn't it make sense for him? And he's getting this petition going around, which I think is already close to a hundred thousand or more people that have signed it already.

Oh, it'll hit millions. Right. Once it spreads, it'll hit. And so then why wouldn't you use that as leverage to create it on your own platform and say, Hey, I'm in. I've got my, I've already got Biden. I've already got, you know, Trump and my pot. I could call these people up. Let's call them up and see if they want to get on the show.

I would love that. And then imagine you're the one guy who denies it. Now, you know, here's the thing. I don't think you'd want to. I don't think you'd want to because when he's interviewing people to different story, but when he's moderating a debate, the people moderating the debate are always, always, always, always being accused of being for one side or the other.

So let's say you're moderating a debate, you're trying to be as objective as possible, trying to be as neutral as possible. But one of the guys debating or girls debating sucks and gets their asses kicked. Now all of his or hers fans are like, oh Joe Rogan, he's totally a liberal, he's totally conservative. Of course he's, and it could ruin his whole. Well, we saw that with the girl who moderated Trump in them, right? Cause didn't, didn't her and Trump get into it a little bit?

Oh, yeah, she got wrecked. Yeah, right? That wasn't good. Yeah, so, and Rogan's got such a thriving business that would even want to play in that, in that world. I don't know, I don't know. Interesting. So, so real quick, study came out,

large study came out showing that heart attacks are becoming more common in younger people, people in their 20s and 30s. Now, it's not a huge rise, but it is rising and it's weird because that's an age group that typically rarely ever gets heart attack. What if they attributed that to you? Well, so far they're making all kinds of speculations. I have my personal speculation.

I'll tell you what my guess is, because I haven't looked at all the data and all that stuff. And I don't even think there's tons of data yet. Looking into why, I think the data is just showing that it's rising. But my personal opinion is I think that the caffeine intake has been gradually and dramatically increasing among the youth. That's an interesting theory. And caffeine, if you have cardiac issues, I don't think these kids are getting

heart attacks because they're arteries. Have you ever looked at, I did be in this would be an interesting stat to look up. What? What? Okay. First of all, Starbucks came on scene. How many years ago now? 90s are starting getting big. Right. So I mean, even when we are, when we are kids, like coffee was not a thing. No, no, no, and then either we're energy drinks, or all people drink

coffee. Neither we're energy drinks. Right. They were huge until later. So do we have, do we have the numbers on how, how much caffeine is consumed today versus the youth? I don't know. I'm just curious. Just consumption. What's caffeine consumption in general today versus 20 years ago? I would say, I would bet a house that the caffeine consumption is dramatically increased amongst the youth. I don't know about older people, but amongst the youth, because energy drinks, everything's being targeted towards them. They all drink Starbucks now. And when you're young and you have a heart attack, it's not because you have clogged arteries. It's because you had cardiac arrest. The circuitry of your heart failed and your heart stopped beating or whatever.

And I think that that's, and I know that that can be caused by stimulants, especially if you're sensitive to them. And kids are just having tons of caffeine. And so I feel like it's natural that that would cause that. Was that say, Doug? It says, statistics show that adolescents are the fastest growing population of caffeine users. Yep.

And caffeine intake is a risk factor for heart attacks and young people. So you think like epigenetics, like it's expressing whatever condition is dormant, like more, yeah, well for some. Yeah, that I think we're probably, what I would think is we're just

really irresponsible with it I mean look at we see even in the pre workout market. I mean you got pre workouts people are starting to put fucking 600 milligrams you know how many people you know many people are in the hospital every year due to just caffeine so that's what I'm saying is like how and how many of these kids are you know drinking a red bull in the morning and then they swing by starbucks later, then they go to their workout, and they have their 600-milligram fucking pre-workout. I mean, 12-year-olds are getting venti drinks that are like 350-milligrams of caffeine.

It's interesting to me too, that we actually allow caffeine like that to be sold to cancer. It won't be long. Yeah, I know. I think it'll change. It's a drug, right? It's a drug. It's a deadly drug.

It's a drug, right? So, why why yeah, and we have that with alcohol and tobacco Why would we not have that with because it's never been an issue kids never drank Cafe you know what kids drank that had caffeine in it Coca Cola yeah, and entire can of coke has to do yeah It has like 15 or 25 milligrams of caffeine right at most 30 something jolt cola I think had like 50 milligrams of caffeine or something. That was like the dares, the drink one of those. Yeah, 50 milligrams. When I was first started working out and I started taking caffeine, it was 200 milligrams

was the big fucking dose. So you get a big ass coffee, that's 350 milligrams. And like I said, it definitely is something that increases your risk of heart issues when you're younger. Now it's a small risk, I don't wanna freak everybody out, but if you go across a whole population, of course you're gonna see that. It's a fun thing to speculate,

I mean, do you think that? Do you think we're gonna see regulation in our time with kids? They've already tried. They've already tried. Yeah, they're already trying. I think that hurts, would hurt Starbucks. If you look at cans now of like red bull and stuff like that,

they'll have a thing underneath it that'll, like a little disclaimer, it's not suitable for people under a team. They're already voluntarily putting it in. Yeah, if you look at like the monster or whatever, I'm just like, I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, it's definitely targeting them. It's like fucking, you know, cotton candy and. You stream sports. You know, gamer fuel and stuff like that. You can't be a gamer fuel. But not for kids. No, no, no, no, no, no, it you like that. You're not for kids. No, no, no, no, it's for dad.

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There is absolutely zero risk So what is your waiting for? Go to mindpromedia.com and get started today It's the motherfucking floor The eagle has landed Quee-qua- First question is from Koltzky Cox How do you use chains in the gym

without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot How do you use chains in the gym without looking like an. How do you use chains in the gym without looking and sounding like an idiot? How do you use chains in the gym? Why would you think like, don't wear them around your neck and walk around with slow mode, idiot. You know what? Here's the bottom line.

At the end of the day, if you're going to the gym to improve and better yourself, you're gonna have to just not give a better yourself, you're going to have to just not give a shit what people think when they look at you. And I hate, I mean, I don't hate to. This is a great thing to understand. Most people go to the gym are a little self-conscious and most people don't know a whole lot of what they're doing. So if you go in there with chains, you're gonna get a lot of stairs because most people are going to be like, why does that person have chains? So what? Do your workout.

Oh, I think it's cool. Not care, so do I. Yeah, he's cool. Oh, look dude. I thought about bringing chains to some of the gyms that work out that don't have. I just literally, right before we start this podcast, I asked Justin, did you order the goddamn chains?

Yeah, for our place. I know. Chains are awesome. But, I mean, I guess, you know what though? Chains wouldn't be awesome if you're wearing a stringer, doing tricep dips with a bunch of them wrapped around and you have your girlfriend taking videos of you while you do it.

Or you're doing that with curls. That's very cool. With chains, you know, like a curl bar with chains attached to the sides. You fuck off. You're stupid. So the value of chains for people listening right now who have no idea what we're talking about.

So what you do is you would attach a chain on either side of the bar. So let's say I'm doing a squat. So I have a chain attached on one end and on the other end and then it drops all the way down of the bar. So let's say I'm doing a squat. So I have a chain attached on one end, and on the other end, and then it drops all the way down to the floor. So it's a big heavy chain going all the way down to the floor. Now when I un-racked the weight and I squat down,

as I squat, links of the chain start to rest on the floor, which makes the bar lighter. So the bar is lighter at the bottom of the squat, and heavier at the top of the squat when I'm supporting the entire chain. Now what's the value in this? The value is that I'm working with my natural strength curve.

In other words, it's opposite normal. Yeah, I'm stronger at the top of a squat than I am at the bottom. So I'm gonna overload the aspects that are stronger and take weight off or I'm weaker so that I'm stressing the whole rep kind of equally. And the results are clear. Studies show that working out with chains and bands or using

them in your routine, super, super effective. But as far as people looking at you and whatever, but you know what, we take this for granted, like I grew up in gyms, right? I've been in gyms since I was 13, 14 years old, and then from then on I was in gyms more days of the week than not. So to me, walking into a gym is one of the most comfortable environments I can ever do. It's also keep this in mind too, it's not necessary. So if you, it's making you feel that

uncomfortable using gyms inside the, chains inside the gym, it's, you can get an, build an incredible physique and progression. Nobody was using them 15 years or 20 or so. You know, I did this yesterday. So I was doing BFR on my calves and I've been doing it a lot more than usual because of my Achilles. It still just doesn't feel right. And so I'm still nervous to go really hard

on the heavy loading my calves. And so I tend to do a lot of BFR right now with them. You know, and I do that in a public gym. I mean, and you see me tie off my quads, and then I do calf raises. I mean, people definitely look at me fucking weird when I'm doing, I'll give a shit though. Yeah, I used to have a problem with that.

A little bit when I was like working on mobility moves, and I was like still trying to be Mr. Cool guy, you know, like I'm strong, and all I do is bench and squat and deadlifping all that cool stuff. But, you know, at a certain point, like, I mean, I'm crawling, I'm doing all kinds of like, like right in front of all the meat heads,

you know, I didn't give a fuck after all. It's just a matter of, you know, just doing what's best for you and just owning it and just going for it. Yeah, and again, we can't take for granted how intimidating a gym can be. I was talking to a bunch of trainers last week. I was at the 24th fitness on Santa Teresa,

and I was doing, you know, sales training a lot stuff. And I was talking about like, you can't really underestimate just how intimidating a gym is and a personal trainer, you know? And the only thing I can think of that makes me, that kind of reminds me of what that feeling is like, is like the first time I walked into school. No, or a kickboxing academy.

Or the first time you went to school. It's just the way to be, the first time you went to high school. I mean, there's definitely that very nervous feeling of something that you end up loving and enjoying. Hey, you just don't know. Like, you're just all these machines, there's all this equipment.

I haven't worked out in years or maybe never. I'm gonna go in here and try to work out. I only know how to use the treadmill because that's kinda simple to use and maybe the bike. And then I'm gonna walk around, I'm gonna look at these machines and try and figure them out. I don't know what to do and this trainer's gonna show.

So it's an intimidating... Well, there's also this art. I think there's this artificial thing that we have too, that is obvious. Like do you see, you walk in a gym, you're a new person. I think there's this artificial thing that we have too, that is obvious. You walk in a gym, you're a new person, and it's obvious to the people who work out there a lot, right? You can tell by the way they look.

And so there's this intimidation factor of, I don't want to be doing the wrong things, or I don't want the fit guy or girl to look at me. It's like judging me. Right. So I think that's in there too, that I think people have a lot of it. You know, the irony of that is, and those are the most intimidating people, the fit guy or girl to look at me. It's like judging me. Right, so I think that's in there too that I think people have all the time. You know, the irony of that is the, and those are the most intimidating people, the fit, ripped, you know, gym fanatics.

The irony is they are the friendliest ones in the gym. Almost, and I'm not gonna say a hundred percent of time, but almost every single time, if you go into a gym and you see advanced people training, now so long as you're not like getting in the way of the workout, if you have a question, the guy squatting 700 pounds is far more likely to take time to help you and explain to you what you should be doing than just some average, you know, schmo working out who trains every once in a while and, you know, takes months off at a time.

Yeah, we can warrior. So you really don't, you're intimidated,. I understand I can empathize. You don't need to be. I promise you. Most people in there don't know what they're doing. Most people, whatever. And you're there for you. You're not there for anyone else. So put your headphones on, put your chains on the bar. Use them appropriately and you're fine. And do your lift. Yeah, don't do them around your neck and have your girlfriend video. Yeah, that's do, don't do that stuff. Next question is from IQ Strength. Thoughts on the sick aging phenotype as described by Dr. John Sullivan

in his book, Barbell Prescription. Would you guys buy into the idea that strength training can be the solution to so many of the elements that often accompany. Oh my God. Not only do I buy into it, this is what I've been preaching for a long time. I just say this has been our message for a long time.

I've been preaching this since I was a trainer. This is what I've been preaching for a long time. I just say this has been our message for a long time. I've been preaching this since I was a trainer. This is what we preach on Mind Pump. Now, the sick aging phenotype is a term that this doctor made up. I had to look it up, because I'd never heard about it in the last four videos. I mean, it makes up a lot of words. Yeah, and so this is, yeah. It's hilarious.

Yeah, but what he's saying is totally true. And this is what he's talking about. Here's what it consists of. It consists of metabolic syndrome. So what's metabolic syndrome? High blood sugar, high blood pressure, blood lipid levels that are all over the place, body fat around the midsection, around the organs.

So this is just, you know, metabolic syndrome means you're just not healthy, you're gaining body fat. Systemic inflammation, this is where the whole body just kind of seems inflamed. You can sometimes test this by testing things like C-reactive protein. Sarkopenia, this is muscle loss, this is a big issue with people as the age

is just start to lose muscle. Osteopenia is the other one. Osteopenia is bone loss. Once it gets bad, it becomes osteoporosis. And then frailty is another one. Frailty is just, you know, if I'm 20 and I, I take a fall out of my chair, I'm probably not going to have a life threatening injury. Acceptable injury.

Yeah, if I'm 75 or 80 and I fall out of my chair, sometimes that'll kill you. Maybe not directly, but you get sick, you get hurt, you're in the hospital, you get pneumonia and you die. In fact, there's a saying in hospitals where they say, old people will break a hip and then die of pneumonia. And then finally, dependent on pharmaceutical drugs. So that's the sick aging phenotype, and that's true.

Yeah, that's what happens. Now, the best form of exercise to directly combat all of those things, okay? And so I'm not saying it's the only form of exercise that'll positively impact those. But the most effective form of exercise that directly combats all those things I just talked about is lifting weights. Resistance training. Now, it's got to be appropriate and it has to be proper. So I'm not talking about hardcore bodybuilding or powerlifting training.

Resistance training needs to be molded to the individual. But if you train properly, it's the only thing that will directly and continuously combat osteopenia, sarcoopenia, it'll build up your metabolism so you can burn more body fat so that that issue with metabolic syndrome becomes a lot better. Building muscle and strength is the most effective thing that an elderly person can do. It's the fountain of youth. Oh, dude. And when I trained people in advanced age,

that's, many of them, that's all they did. They came and saw me two days a week. That was most of their activity. And the improvements we saw were dramatic. Far more than if I just had them walk for 20 minutes a day, every single day, which tends to be the common prescription. Well, this is why we find it ironic,

that that's the prescription, that they promote the, what is it? 20 to 30 minutes of vigorous activity what is it 20 to 30 minutes of vigorous activity at 20 30 minutes of vigorous cardiovascular activity every single day, which is so weird to me because the things that make weight training so much more beneficial than running or or vigorous activity cardio is actually the things that happen afterwards like they're both actually pretty close to each other when you talk about the benefits of what directly happens right there as far as. It's hard right going up.

Yeah, little calories. Right, and that's where I think Cardi Vaz, in that small 30 minute window, if you compare 30 minutes of running versus 30 minutes of squatting, would say, you know, sure maybe the running will burn more calories. And so in that small window, you could say that one aspect is better,

but there's so many other things that you get after the fact from the strength training that the running doesn't even compare. There's also this aspect where it reserves abilities. Yes, it preserves, it builds the body, it reverses catabolic phenomena that happen in the body way more than cardiovascular activity. In fact, cardiovascular activity can sometimes contribute to catapult. So, right, that. Yeah, it can cause issues with you losing muscle, just because your body is trying to become

more of an efficient endurance machine. Now to be fair with the elderly, if they do no activity and they move and start doing 30 minutes of vigorous cardiovascular activity, they won't lose muscle. It probably will build a little muscle because it's far more than what they were doing before. But it pales in comparison to traditional and appropriate resistance training. Here's the other thing. Vigorous cardiovascular activity

tends to be understood as, I'm gonna go and just walk. I'm gonna go and just move and sweat. Resistance training gets valued more as a skill. When you have an older person, you say, okay, we're gonna try doing elevated pushups against the wall or I'm gonna have you sit down and stand up. There's a lot of emphasis on form and technique

and how do I do this? When you tell someone, just go walk and run, none of that. And running is a skill. I'm sorry, if you don't know the run if the skill of running very well, but you probably don't, because you haven't run consistently for a long time. Going out and running, you're gonna hurt yourself.

That's what ends up happening. So no resistance training is the answer. And I don't think it's the only form of exercise. I think a combination is ideal, but if you had to pick just what, it has to be resistance. Running and walking will not help you open jars. Exactly.

I'm sorry, there's a lot of things in your day-to-day life that like cardiovascular doesn't even address. Have you helped you reach above your head or help you lift something or walk up the stairs without, you know, it doesn't translate address. Have you helped reach above your head or help you lift something or walk up the stairs without, you know, it doesn't translate well enough, maintain balance, like all of these different things, resistance training, and here's the thing, the time that you need to perform effective resistance training.

And I'm not talking again about bodybuilding or powerlifting or anything like that, I'm talking about just reap the health benefits. The time commitment is lower. You figure, if I take a seven year old, two days a week of 45 minutes, plenty. I can go super far with that for a long time with their training.

The vigorous activity that they need to do that's prescribed by the most medical professionals, it's every day, 30 minutes every single day. Now I'm not saying, again, don't do that, but I'm saying if you can only pick one, pick the one that's going to live. The flexibility that it gives to for people, and I think that's, to me, it's probably one of the most important things because the reality is the percentage of people that are fitness fanatics that really care about getting in ridiculously great shape or being super strong

over it. Most people just want to go about their lives and live longer and live healthier. And if they can find a way to do that and still do the other things that they love and enjoy, the strength and building muscle, it gives you more flexibility with that than anything else. So the person who loves to have that glass of wine on Sundays or enjoys the occasional pizza Fridays or whatever that, you do that and if you're only mode of burning calories is to go for a run, it makes it really tough to combat that. But if you strain train and you build muscle, it gives you a lot more flexibility in that area that the other forms of exercise just don't do.

The message needs to be this to the elderly. I think this message needs to be to everybody, but especially the elderly. They come to you, what should I do? message needs to be to everybody, but especially the elderly. They come to you, what should I do? I need to improve my health. Get stronger. That's it.

Get stronger. That needs to be the prescription. Studies now show too, like we can judge, we can more accurately predict a person's mortality with a grip test, or a test, can they stand up off the floor without holding on, grabbing on to something? Better than other more popular metrics? Why?

Because if you're stronger, we now know very clearly, if you're stronger, the odds that you're gonna die of many different causes, much lower. You're more resilient. Didn't they also find like that? It helps you fight off disease and all these other things just because of the fact that you're stronger and more resilient overall. Oh man, if you, if you're, here's what happens when you're elderly and you can't move because you get injured. First off, if any of us in this room were bedridden

for a week, we would all lose muscle and get weaker. That's just a normal adaptation of the body. You watch what happens to a 70 or 80 year old who can't move for a week in a bed. That is accelerated and amplified at a ridiculous, scary, scary rate. I've talked about the story about the client that I had who I trained her for a year. She was in her mid 80s, and we were starting to see signs of dementia,

but it wasn't too bad or whatever, but she would repeat stories and stuff like that. It wasn't a huge, huge deal. Then she fell, she broke her leg or her hip. I can't remember what it was. She couldn't come in for a long time. Then they couldn't afford personal training because of the cost of having a,

having a nurse in there full time or whatever. So I didn't see this person for like eight months. In an eight month period, I ran into her at the grocery store. She didn't recognize me person for like eight months. In an eight month period, I ran into her at the grocery store. She didn't recognize me. Like a rapid decline. Rapid decline in her mental health, because she wasn't exercising.

So a big part of, you know, the benefits of resistance training for the elderly is like, giving you muscle to lose if you need to and preventing that kind of an issue where you break something or hurt yourself and now you're bedridden. And then it's back. Absolutely. Next question is from MiniFig.

Should you stretch before you lift or is it more beneficial to stretch after lifting heavy weights if you have tight muscles? It depends on what kind of stretch you do. Very good. Absolutely. So, priming, let's talk about that for a second. Now, before we work out, we've been told for a long time that you need to warm up. And the value and the benefit of warming up

is it reduces the risk of injury. That's true. Moving and getting your body warmed up and just doing general movement before you work out will help you do that. But what you do before you work out can do so much more than that. I feel like that's the bare minimum.

What you can do before your workout will change so much more than that. I feel like that's the bare minimum. What you can do before your workout will change your form on your exercises from difficult to more smooth and more mobile. It'll help you feel and connect to the target muscles you're trying to work. It can improve your power output if you prime properly just because you get maybe tight muscles out of the way

and other muscles that you can feel or fire. Or your instability. Better stability. So what you do before your workout can really dramatically improve the quality and the adaptation signal you send during your workouts. You should spend a good 10 to 15 minutes of proper priming, which includes stretches, but it's not

the static stretches, it's the active type of stretch. So, I'll give you an example of a static stretch for your hamstrings. That would be me going down, touching my toes and just sitting there, and allowing my body weight to stretch my hamstrings. An active hamstring stretch would be to walk and kick my leg up straight, like I'm trying to stretch my hamstring and bring it back down and then do the other side.

Studies show that that kind of stretching reduces injury-im and improves performance, where static stretching might actually increase risk of injury. Static stretching I would do at the end of the workout. That's when I tend to do mine, because I'm tight. That's when I sit in my long stretches

at the end of the workout when it's not gonna take away from my performance. Next question is from Cam Clark Photography. What are your thoughts on minimalist barefoot shoes, especially for someone trying to correct mobility issues in the ankles and hips? You still look like a dork. Still do.

Yeah, I don't know. As great as they are and as popular as they are and as useful as I see they are now, it's still looking at the door. Look, get the ones that's like close and doesn't have the individual toes exposed. Like, I feel like you could get away with a little bit more. Like it's a little cooler.

I don't know. Not really. But here's the thing. I here we I think I came out really early on in my pump, talked a lot of shit about him, retracted that later on because of the value behind them. I think that I've barefoot trained all the time now and take off my shoes as much as possible. So I definitely understand the value of barefoot shoes and think that it can be a very useful tool. Now that being said, I don't own a pair, but I trained barefoot all the time.

And now I get if you're somebody who doesn't have a gym like I do, where I can be barefoot or naked if I fucking wanted to. And train. Yeah. And train videos. So I get like any one of it, but personally, I would just take my shoes off when I get home and do exercises to strengthen my feet at home. I mean, that's just me. But yeah, I like them. I like them for, yeah, gyms that wouldn't allow you to go barefoot. For sure, barefoot is gonna be king if you were to work out. And like, that was your goal, is to really get grounding, get that good, connective feel with your feet and be able to go through that, like, especially like deadlift and squatting.

I love to do that without shoes on, so I can kind of feel where, you know, the compensatory patterns start to kick in. It's important, though, that you understand, too, that that's only one piece of the puzzle too, though. Like, so, and for me, this was, this is a big one because I had really weak feet. I had poor ankle mobility and I had poor hip mobility. Now if I had that, I know that, and, you know, and all my answer to that was going to get barefoot shoes.

It's not going to add that much more value to it. It actually would add none. It would. It might increase your risk of injury. So it wouldn't do much for me. Now along the way of me working on my hip and my ankle mobility, I began to start to incorporate more barefoot work. I definitely saw a tremendous value in that.

But if you don't address your ankle mobility and you start wearing barefoot shoes all the time, you're still gonna probably pronate and deviate in your feet and that's not gonna work itself out. You have to be intentional in those movements. It'll get worse. It's like, look, if you like to run and you're running coaches like, hey, if you like to run and your running coach is like,

hey, your ankles, your feet, pronate, let's buy these correctional shoes that prevent pronation. And then you run and you're like, wow, I feel so much better. My knees feel better, my hips feel better. I'm running smoother, this is awesome. And then you read a book that says, you know, we were supposed to run barefoot.

There's always muscles on our feet. You need to start running barefoot. And you're like, okay, this book said that. Let me take my shoes off. You hurt yourself. You're like, what happened? Now, here's the truth. The truth is, yes, our feet are underdeveloped.

Yes, we're not connected to them. And yes, we do need to strengthen them. They are the number one shock absorber of the body. They're almost as, you can feel and touch almost as much with your feet that you can with your hands. There's tons of muscles and nerve endings there that are underdeveloped because we always have shoes and socks on. Now the problem is if I just take my shoes and socks off

and I go lift and I'm not focusing on connecting with my dead feet and I'm not focusing on activating muscles that are atrofeed and weak in my feet, if I just stand like I normally do, still break down. Now I've lost the support of my shoe. And so now I'm'm gonna hurt myself. So this is the problem. The problem is don't go wear minimalist shoes

and then go do your normal workout. It's like a guy too who's been working out with a belt his entire life. And he hears on mind pump, he shouldn't train with a belt. He's got the opposite of his right to the belt. Yeah, he goes and mean while. Exactly.

And meanwhile his forearm was bad the whole entire time. Like he had bad deadlifting form his entire time. He used a belt, the belt kind of protected him a little bit because he doesn't have the best form ever. And then he hears on my pump, don't wear a belt. And so he takes his belt off and then he goes, does a deadlift and he fucks himself off. Exactly.

Same concept is with your feet. You've become so accustomed to wearing shoes all the time. And then someone tells you that it's so good for you to strengthen your feet to do these barefoot shoes. And that's your first, to me, it's kind of last on the total. Like, I've considered it. I really have because I feel like I'm kind of there now. Like, I'm like, oh, should I get more into being even more barefoot now, starting to wear the barefoot shoes to wear?

Just keep them active the whole time. Yeah, be Paul Checker, like Kyle Kingsbury, where they're walking around either barefoot or in those ugly ass shoes all the time. And I just can't get a fanny pack. I like fucking shoes too much and And I think they look terrible. They look absolutely there's not a cool pair. There's not. Marils are pretty cool.

Even though the Justin's trying to just find out. They're fucking ugly. They're all ugly. You know what I'm saying? No, man. Okay, and also, okay, so I know for me, and I know you guys don't run ever, but like sometimes I'll try to be intentional

about bringing that back into the rotation and get back at running. The one thing I noticed the most is how flat-footed I am when I start running again. Losing weight definitely helps along that process of trying to get better running mechanics again. But the barefoot shoes for me, I tend to be a little more focused on my four foot and strengthening and going into like, when I'm in lunges and all these types of things, I could just feel my way through that and navigate through that a little bit better. So.

You're more connected. You're more connected. And so I feel value in it when I'm training for specific purpose, but there's definitely levels in scaling that towards it. You have to consider. Here's what I recommend. If you want to gain the benefits of strengthening your feet and ankles and your articulation of your toes, which is massive, the benefits are huge. It's a whole part of our body that's just dead and totally weak. That's a whole part of our map's prime pro pro. Here's what I recommend.

Don't buy the shoes, don't go barefoot. In the gym, in the normal shoes you work out in, Pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro pro time you're activating your feet. When you finally make it to barefoot or shoes or barefoot, don't use the same weight you've always been lifting because you've lost some support from the shoe. Go lighter, the weakest link in your lift now is your foot. So strengthen that through the movement as that gets stronger than that weight. So in other words, proceed with caution because if you just jump into this and go ape shit, you will hurt yourself like most people do. And even the worst case you don't, let's say you don't hurt yourself, you may not add any of that, but you're not adding that much more value.

If your ankle mobility is shit, your hip mobility is shit, you're probably exaggerating the issue. Yeah, it's, it's, you're not getting that much value out of wearing these ugly ass shoes. I mean, I have an aunt who, she's, she's an executive, so she's always, always, always in high heels. And I had this conversation with her a while ago, and I'm like, you know, your ankle is always pointed forward, you're always flexing it. You're, you've got probably poor ankle mobility and foot mechanics.

You should think about walking around barefoot a little bit more. So what she did, and I explained it to her really well, she took it to heart, and as soon as she got home, she took her shoes off and just went barefoot everywhere. And then I get a message from her a week later, and she's like, I have plantar fasciitis. The bottom of my foot is really hurting, like what's going on? It's, well, how often are you going barefoot?

She goes every day. I'm like, no, you can't go from what you've been doing to that. It's way too fast. Start with maybe one hour a day and just do that for a second. And then slowly progress yourself because, I mean, the foot is covered with muscles. There's fascia there. It's got lots of connections and stuff. You can't just go from where you're at now

to barefoot using the same weight or whatever you are gonna hurt yourself. And with that, go to minepumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all absolutely free. We have a brand new guide on there. It's the hard gainer guide. Make sure you go check it out.

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