Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1126: The Best Way to Measure Body Fat Percentage, the Ideal Way to Train a Child in the Gym, How Trainers Limit Their Success & MORE

Episode Date: September 25, 2019

n this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best way to measure body fat percentage, the best way to train a child in the gym, what is keeping trainers and coaches from seeing their clientele and business flourish, and the scariest experience they had when working in a gym. How Sal and Adam are aging in dog years. (5:32) Adam shares the results from his latest ‘Men’s Health’ test from Everly Well + Sal breaks the numbers down. (7:50) Do dads really have sex? Adam opens up about his personal life. (16:15) How testing can point you in the RIGHT direction and the benefits of at-home tests. (23:35) Why Sal loves working out first thing in the morning. (26:12) Apple’s next step in building their ecosystem, the Apple card. (27:53) The guys speculate on the upcoming film featuring YouTube celebrities, Airplane Mode. (31:17) Justin jets off to Virginia to shoot some exciting content + shares his hectic weekend. (34:03) The biggest selling product ever?? (42:06) The other lesser-known cannabinoids and their benefits to the body. (44:23) #Quah question #1 – What's the best way to measure body fat percentage? (49:05) #Quah question #2 – My 9-year-old daughter wants to start working out with me in the gym. Do you recommend bands or free weight? (1:01:21) #Quah question #3 – Now that you guys have met more and more coaches in the fitness industry, what do you feel is keeping them from seeing their clientele and business flourish? (1:08:30) #Quah question #4 – What was the scariest experience you guys have had when working in the gym? How did you handle it and did it change you in any way? (1:21:22) People Mentioned Dr. Ben Pollack (@phdeadlift)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Chase Chewning (@chase_chewning)  Instagram Danny Matranga | CSCS | BSc. (@danny.matranga)  Instagram Elijah Helfman (@elijahhelfman)  Instagram Jeff Nippard (@jeffnippard)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned September Promotion: MAPS Starter ½ off!! **Code “STARTER50” at checkout** Visit Everly Well for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! How To Start Squatting - Learn To Squat Like A PRO (FREE GUIDE) Go the Fuck to Sleep - Book by Adam Mansbach Apple Card AIRPLANE MODE Official Trailer (2020) Logan Paul, Comedy Movie HD Visit ChiliPad for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “MPOOLER” at checkout** Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Here’s A Must-Read Before Tonight’s Party: The World’s First GMO Probiotic Is Here To End All Hangovers — And It Works MAPS Fitness Anywhere The ONLY Way You Should Be Doing Dumbbell Bicep Curls! Mind Pump TV - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of The Mind Pump, we start out by having our introductory fun conversation. This is what we talk about current events, and we talk about studies and things that we read about. And then we get into the fitness portion of this episode where we answer fitness, health, fat loss, and muscle building questions.

Here's what we talked about in the first 45-minute intro portion of this episode. We started by talking about Adams testosterone test. He did another Everly Well at home testosterone test just to see where his testosterone levels were at. Now, Everly Well is one of our sponsors and they make many, many tests. They make food intolerance tests,

which we talk about in this episode as well. They do all kinds of hormone testing. It's at home. No doctors prescription required. They're very inexpensive. You do the test at home. Super easy, mail it in, get your results. Now, we are sponsored by Everly Well.

We have a discount for you. If you go to Everly Well, that's eve.rll.y.wll.com and use the code Mind Pump, you'll get 15% off any test. Then we talk about Adam's sex life. That's going downhill, apparently. I talked about working out super early at the gym this morning and the old guys in the sauna and the jokes that they tell.

That was a good time. Adam brought up Apple's new credit card. Apparently they have a credit card that will give you cash back or discounts on all the stuff that you use already, which I think is brilliant. Justin brought up a movie that he's excited to watch, starring his favorite actor, Logan Paul. I'm not excited about that.

He talked about the trip that he made out to DC to film some awesome content with Ben Polick. Yeah. I talked about the world's first GMO probiotic and how it could cure hangovers, that's crazy. And then I talked about the lesser known cannabinoid, CBC and how it may benefit your health and how combining cannabinoids is probably the best way to use them.

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to measure body fat percentage? So we talk about all the different ways to measure body fat. You have calipers, underwater weighing, there's bioelectric impedance. Which one's the most accurate and how should you use those for best results? The next question, this person has a young child, the nine year old daughter, who wants to start working out in the gym, impedance, which one's the most accurate and how should you use those for best results?

The next question, this person has a young child, a nine-year-old daughter, who wants to start working out in the gym. How should they start? So they use bands, free weights, or body weight movements. So we talk all about training, young, up-and-coming athletes, and your kids. The next fitness question, this person wants to know how more trainers and coaches can become more successful. How can they get their businesses to flourish?

So we talk all about effective communication skills and the other skills needed to become a successful trainer and coach. And the final question. This person wants to know what our scariest experiences were in the gym. So there's all kinds of different stories that we talk about. Your story with the clown, crazy. Crazy story. Also this month maps starter is 50% off.

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To collect your shirt, please send an email to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com. Include your shirt size, your shipping address, and also the name I just read and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I just Shared my results. I got the Whoa, what kind of results? I'm afraid. Yeah, I know. I just they got six months. So sad bro. I really six months. We could do a lot We could we could actually. You know, we have programs we tell.

Yeah. He's trying to capitalize off my dad. You would. You would. You would. You would last moments. It's a fire sale. It's a fire sale.

The final day, the final day. The final day. The final day. The final four items. Medical bills. Yeah. We keep it all though. That's what I said.

I would want you guys to do that. Of course. How would you guys want your funeral to go down? I want you guys to, like, when I go, if I go first. Actually, I'm probably going to everybody get really drunk. Why are you looking at me? I'm going to go for a... How old is the...

How young did Sal look in that post I just did? Hey, bro. I know. I know. Both you guys. Can I say something about that too? Was it really four years ago or five four or five? Bro, are we are we did we step into the matrix?

Are we we're aging in dog ears? No, dude. It's all this accelerated Activity so asshole said something. I said hey fuck bro. You know what low-test australina the divorce will fucking do that I look like you know when presidents go into office and they come out and like, what? Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah, I was a little astray.

No, I think I used to dye my hair a little bit and that was one of the times when I dyed it. Oh, really? Cause I had white hair. I told people that was Al natural. No, I've had white hair since I was 20. Oh, I didn't remember you. I don't remember being dyed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember yours coming in. Yeah, I was already coming in when you were working with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember yours coming in. You were, I was already coming in when you were working. Yeah, and I was like, dyeing it back then, like just, I don't know if like I had to, you know, try and stay relevant. You know what sucks about dyeing your hair? Is that when you stop?

It looks it's all of a sudden. Everyone's like, what happened, dude? Yeah, because they missed the gradual, you know, the gradual movement. They had been there. My hair was dyed. Adam's just was dead. It was dead.

It was, fuck you. Indeed. It was, I fuck you. Indeed. It just jumped out. Yeah. They gave up full, full gave up. My hair's like, ah, we're gonna hold on. We're just gonna lose pigment. Adam's hair's like, I'm out.

Yeah. That's messed up. Yeah, we look a lot younger, man. Way more handsome. Yeah, way more. Oh my, Jesus. Way more handsome. I'm so glad my girls with me. Yeah. I don't want to show her that picture. She missed it. Yeah, like Jesus lay more happy. I'm so glad my girls with me.

Yeah, I don't want to show her that picture. So she missed it. So what's the deal with your test? Would you test the hormones again? Yeah, so I had the men's test. So this one, okay, I was, I was really curious because I did it on purpose in the middle of this, you know, Maximus's birth, you know,

so this has been the, I took it about three, four weeks ago. So I'm like right in the middle of this, you know, Maximus's birth, you know, so this has been, I took it about three, four weeks ago, so I'm like right in the middle. No sleep. Yeah, no sleep or nothing. So, you know, and I would say that my training, my training was really consistent and good, leading up to his birth, even the first, when I was talking shit, members talking shit, I was feeling pretty good for the first probably two. Two, remember. Yeah, I think you're on adrenaline for the first like two, three weeks. You're like on a baby high.

You're still on it. I have to break it to you. No, no, no, no, I'm not on it. Maybe it's supposed to last longer for people, but I'm definitely not on it. No, I'm not on it. No, we're talking. Yeah, it's all gone.

Yeah. I have nothing. I am empty. So I did, I mean, I know that, right? So I didn't anticipate to see major improvement, although I've been on this, obviously this long journey of, you know, trying to slowly, naturally increase my testosterone levels ever since I came off a synthetic testosterone.

November will be three years. So I'm already unbelievable. I know it's, it feels, it doesn't feel like it's flown by, but it kind of does. Like it's, three years a long time. It's crazy. You've had like a stack there, but just have not. Yeah, I still have. I've attempted.

And I'm very tempted right now to be honest, because this test came back. Well, let me read you guys results and then I'll tell you my thoughts on everything that and then maybe so I can try and convince me otherwise and then I'll just ignore what he has to say. So now that every day, this every will test, this is my favorite because it doesn't do just test off-strom, it does DHA, Estardial, and... Cortisol?

Cortisol. This is the men's health test. Yeah, this is the men's health test. So it's a little bit more expensive but you get all of those things in there, which I'm interested in that too, right? Cortisol, thank you. This is the men's health test. Yeah, this is the men's health test. It's a little bit more expensive, but you get all of those things in there, which I'm interested in that too, right? Especially cortisol, which everything went on, right? So my cortisol came back 4.5, and normal range is 1.5 to 9.6.

Oh, right in the middle. So I'm almost dead middle for cortisol. That's good. I feel like that's pretty good, right? It is. Because you don't want, with cortisol, you don't want to be flatline, and you don't want to be super high. Yes.

That's I'm glad you said that. Cortisol plays a very important role in our health, and having no cortisol, you would feel fucking terrible. You'd be dead, tired, extreme fatigue. So would you say, like, that would probably be one of the areas I would want to be dead center. I wouldn't want to even want to be kind of high on that.

No, no, you want to be right in the middle. Yeah, okay. So I was happy with that, especially considering the lack of sleep, because a lot of times that throws off cortisol pretty bad. Sure, the stress, all that stuff. Absolutely. So, so cortisol being right at 4.5, I was really happy with. DHA, I was on the, kind of, normal high end. So, normal ranges 42 to 5.78. I was 500. Oh good. Yeah, because DHA is like one of those parent hormones.

It can get turned into testosterone. It can get turned into estrogen. It's a good sign of healthy youthful hormone levels. As we age, DHA, EA goes down. So the fact that chores is in the upper middle range is good. Now, correct me if I'm wrong too. This't, this is good for like my hair health too, right? So like if I was like, isn't this effective, like if I were to take like, master on, doesn't

it affect effect? No, you're thinking DHT. Oh, it's DHT. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not testing your DHT is testosterone, it will get converted to DHT. DHT is a very endrogenic hormone, which so it gives you the masculineizing effects, the aggression, the sex drive, lowering the voice, all that kind of stuff. And the reason why some men lose their hair or get prostate enlargement, for example,

and other men don't, it has more to do with the concentration of DHT receptors in those spots versus the fact that they may have elevated DHT. Now, when you go on, you know, a mastron, which is anabolic steroid that's derived from DHT, which, you know, and why do people take mastron, how hardens the body, right? Because that's, you know, DHT's got those qualities.

That's why you see, like, if you're prone for hair loss, you take a mastron, you're gonna lose your fucking hair. Yeah. Which is, yeah, but no, DHHA would go, it would go DHA, and then that would get converted to testosterone or estrogen, and then your body would take the testosterone and convert to DHA, but this isn't testing that.

Okay. And then estradiol, normal range would be 0.4 to 3.3. I was closer to the normal high end on that at 2.9. But still in the normal range. Okay, okay. And then that, I'm assuming that's another area where I probably wanna be as dead center as I can be on that.

Yeah, you don't wanna be super low. Do you wanna be super high? No, too low. You have crushed libido, you have mood issues. So bodybuilders who take what are called anti-romatase drugs, or your remadex or no drugs. Yeah, one of the side effects of that is they feel, like shit, their joints hurt,

and then they won't even build as much muscle. So some estrogen is needed to build muscle. How's your libido doing these days? We'll get to that. Free testosterone, since we're working our way that way right now. So I just want to know the interesting stuff. I'll get to that just a second here. Free test Osterone, okay, so this is the last one.

Normal range is 49 to 185. I'm on the normal low end of this. I'm 84, which the last time I did this, I believe I was 87 or 89. So I'm about the same, a tiny bit lower. You know what that makes me think is that, because here's what I would anticipate. I would have anticipated that your testosterone

would have continued to go up a little bit, but when you combine that with the fact that you're a new dad, and by the way, this is well documented. New fathers testosterone levels decline by something like on average 15 to 25% I think, something like that. Is it that high? Yeah, it's a consistent measurement. You can look this up.

If you Google a fatherhood lower testosterone, you'll see that. Now, I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that you created a child. I think it has everything to do with the fact that you have a child. I think as everything to do with the fact that you have a child, all of a sudden you're more stressed out, you're not getting as much sleep. You know, diet is probably different. You're not working out as much. Not having sex as much.

Right, so the fact that you're testosterone hovered right around the same is actually a really good sign. Well, and this is the only thing that's keeping me from, again, not hopping on the stack right now is because I kind of told myself, hey, if I can keep, once I started to see the light at the end of the tunnel, if I was starting to see some sort of a positive effect, I finally got into the, at least low to normal range.

I thought, okay, if I can still start, you know, inching my way up, if I'm seeing any progress at all, test over test, I'm gonna keep heading this direction, I'm gonna avoid using synthetic testosterone. This is the first time that I, now I've've tested the last three that I've kind of gone back a tiny bit. Now, it wasn't a lot, it was just a tiny bit. And I do know that I am taking it at probably one of the most naturally low times that I

would take it in this last six months. So I do have a little more hope. I am going to test again. I am going to stay natural for longer and see if I get better over the next two to three months, you know, trying to do some, be more consistent with a few things that I, I, I tell you what's this bringing so much value to so many people to hear you talk about this because it takes a long time. If you've been on synthetic hormones, it can take a long time for your body to normalize.

It took you over a year before they started to come back to normal. No, no, well over a year. It was closer to the two-year mark when we finally started to see some positive effects. I was in the dumpster for a year. I finally felt like I got out of the dumpster at the year mark and then about a year and a half saw some positive swing up. At the two year mark,

I started to jump into the normal low range. And now I've been kind of hanging around the normal low range. And I've seen positive swings up until this test right here. I've seen my first kind of slight step back in the free test. Yeah, I'm surprised it didn't go way down. I'm surprised that it didn't go, that you didn't notice a huge drop in the free test. I'm surprised it didn't go way down. I'm surprised that it didn't go, that you didn't notice a huge drop in the test. I think you would have gone up if it wasn't for,

like if you were getting the same good sleep, you were doing all the other stuff you were doing before. I bet we would have seen. Well, to Justin's question, I mean, I definitely noticed the libido getting, you know, kind of fucked over a little bit. But I mean, that's just, man, that's pretty normal.

Yeah, I don't think dads really have sex, do they? I mean, we've been trying to tell you. I mean, it comes back, dude. Well, I mean, it's just fun to jab at it because I know what it's like, like when it's like a major shift like that. I'm just, I can't quite seem to get excited, you know, I've got Katrina over here, you know,

she comes, this is how this guy goes down. It's literally last night, right? I can't quite seem to get excited. I've got Katrina over here. This is how this guy goes down. This is literally last night, right? So I'm on the bottom floor, right? I go to the couch and so we're doing this, we're now at his phase where we're sleep training him now, right? So we let him cry for a little bit and we're putting, he actually is sleeping seven hours

some nights. Wow. Yeah, so we're already, oh man. Yeah, we're making some headway right now. So I'm pretty excited, right? So obviously that's the first step and then dad gets sex later, right? So now we're putting him down at like nine o'clock at night,

which before I was like, I had the shift till midnight or one. So I'm actually getting into bed. I got in a bed last night or downstairs I'm laying in bed at 9.30, which has been phenomenal because I haven't had this time to myself at night time. So I'm laying in bed. Okay You know, I'm chewing on my canyx by the way Just I'm just gonna paint the picture. Yeah, I left a leftover box. This is how my brain works too

so I'm like sucking on a mic and I come late. I'm laying in bed in the dark and Wait right before bed of the dark you're just eating candy. What do you do? What do you do? Seven years old? Well, well, listen. It's the saddest thing ever. That's ridiculous. Hey, listen, listen Linda. It's better than a bottle of whiskey. Oh, listen Linda.

What are you wearing by the way? We'll get there too. Okay, all right. This is a new step for me. Okay, when Contrinen and I went to sanctuary our place that we'd love to go up to in Monterrey, sometimes, not every time we go, but sometimes we go one of the nights

will kind of splurge and we'll buy some candy or popcorn and we'll rent a paper, you know, they do the paper movie, so we'll sit by the fire and waves crashing and fucking eat candy like 12-year-olds and fucking enjoy ourselves, right? Like this is so super rare. We don't have candy in my house anymore.

Now, I've admitted on this podcast, I had a major candy addiction for a long time. So every once in a while, this is what we do. Now, the newest evolution to this addiction to candy that I've had is can I have this shit and not crush the whole thing? So this is actually a leftover box of my canyx that has not been finished by me. Oh, good for you. And so this new habit that I have is like, if I have this, I want it, I'll go get a couple of them, put them in my mouth and I'll suck on them.

Okay? So fuck off. Okay. Okay. So this is, yeah, suck on stuff. Right? So this is me working that I can have a box of candy in my house. We're sorry, we don even have to fat shame you.

Yeah, I feel bad now. So I'm just painting the picture here. I'm laying in bed. I'm sucking on my mic and I'm just, and actually what's happens to be going through my head right now of all the things is our interview coming up next month with Bishop Baron. I really, I love the first one.

I have so many more things I want to ask him. And this is kind of what I was doing before I had a kid. I work out a lot of this stuff in my head at nighttime. My layin' bed, and I think, and I think about questions that I want to ask, and what will that lead to, and how he'll probably answer that, and is that good? And so I'm doing that. I'm just like, I'm super deep into thought.

I also smoked a little bit before I went to bed, so I'm like, way in this moment. And then, like, also, and I hear the bed, so I'm like way in this moment. And then like, all of a sudden I hear the steps, here comes Katrina, like runs downstairs, like full on, mounts me, you know, as she's holding her phone and they're hand like that. And she's like, let's go, let's go,

we can have some sex right now. Wow. Yes. And I'm like, so, and yeah, you, so that's really weird that you weren't able to get excited after thinking about a Catholic bishop, really deep with. So this is what leads me. I would never guess. Because she got a little upset that I wasn't able to turn excited after thinking about a Catholic bishop, really deep way. So this is what leads me. I would never guess.

Cause she got a little upset that I wasn't able to turn it on right away, right? Cause she's just like, honey, let's go, right? And mind you too, she's holding the monitor in her left hand, right? She's like trying to suck my face and like get me to get in the mood, right? And so I can hear my son wrestling around

and my ear, she's trying to get me the mood and I'm like not feeling it. And she's like, honey, you know, like the mood, and I'm not feeling it, and she's like, hun, you know, like give me, and I'm like sweetheart, dude, can I just tell you what I was literally doing before you walked down here, okay? I wasn't deep in pornoob, I wasn't like,

yeah, I wasn't having a wet dream when you came in and interrupted. I was literally thinking about Bishop Baron, and the questions that I want to ask him, and I was running through my head, and you just came down here, and you wanted me to switch gears right away, and it's, yeah, that's all I left.

So we left turn. We laughed about it. It was treating you like a piece of meat. Yeah, that's what I said too. I was a meat itch. But, so needless to say, the sex life is still not. It's so much harder, because when you have a baby,

when you didn't have a baby, you just, you just, yeah, in the mood. Let me just tell you something, that's a new skill you just, you just, you're just in the mood. Let me just tell you something, that's a new skill you're gonna develop. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when moments like that happen, you're like, okay, yes, there it is.

You just gotta do it happens. Yeah, remember, was it Marvel? Presto Changeo. Was it Avengers when Bruce Banner turns into the Hulk? Yeah. And like, don't you need to get mad? And he turns around and he's like, that's my secret, I'm always mad.

Yeah. You just gotta be horny all the time. Yeah, that's a... You always wonder why I'm always horny? That's why, you're just ready. Well, you know, I don't give you hugs. I feel like that's why I give you hugs. That's definitely what it was like when I was 17.

I mean, when you're 17, I was actually, again, after this all happened, she left, I felt bad. And then this is my dumb brain, how I work. Also, and I started doing like these visualizations of pie charts in my head. When you were 17, your pie chart of thoughts were divided like this. It was 20% is dedicated to thinking about homework and school

and education and growth and all that goes in that 20% category. And then maybe 10% or 15% sports and all the things or whatever things you're into. And then the other 80% is like sex. That's all you think about, like 24 or 7. So you've like- Mine was more like 1%.

And then, right? And I was thinking about, okay now, what's my pie chart looks like? Now it's like, wow, you know, you think about like growth and business and retirement and savings and the bills and it's like, you know what it happened? Is like that pie chart that was 80% filled of nothing but thinking about sex is now been divided up by all these other things.

And now you're trying to time it and align it for both partners. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Right, so you're trying to align it perfectly. And I mean, even the time before last that we had sex, which was a few days before this, she's, you know, she has to, she brings the baby monitor down there, you know, so he's got to, and he's got the mood. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the babies are cockblock.

I'm like, I'm mid, we're mid session here and he starts crying, you know, it's like, fucking even though I got to finish and then we'll give them a two or a few. He can last two or a five. Yeah, he starts to grow as he grows up. Why are you always mad at me, dad? Listen, you'll know one day why I'm fucking pissed off at you. You know what I'm saying? That's actually one of the books that I told you, I got a couple adult child books that people sent.

And one of them is, I told you that go to the Eft asleep. Yeah, go to the Eft asleep was the Samuel Jackson really one. So the other book that I got, I told you that go the F to sleep. Yeah, go the F to sleep was the Samuel Jackson Read One. So the other book that I got, I believe this came from Shawna, was the cock blocker. Yeah, yeah. So, and it's the same concept. It's so funny. Yeah. Speaking of the Everly Well test, Cassie took the food sensitivity one, which a lot of people

don't know that they have that. They actually have a test that you can take that will test your IgG antibodies. So these are not the same antibodies that you have when you have a food allergy. It's not an IgE. Right, because they already assume that you know those ahead of time. Yeah, so it's not a food allergy.

It's IgG is for food intolerance. It's now to be clear. It's not perfect in the sense that you can have no IgG antibodies and still have issues with the food and vice versa, but what it does do is it's an inexpensive way to point you in the right direction because one of the challenges of doing the elimination type diet, which is the gold standard,

if you wanna find out what foods bother your elimination diet. The problem is, where do I start? I mean, you can be extreme and go all the way to like carnivore, but that's insane. A lot of people do the, you know, cut out the most common food intolerances, but it's different from person to person.

So, I mean, that's how I figured myself out. Years ago, I took, and this was way back when you couldn't get these tests through the mail like you can with every well. Back then, I had to work with a practitioner and I tested for IgG antibodies and what it did is it just pointed me in the right direction. And then I further tested with eliminating them

and seeing how I felt and then did that whole thing. But even with your hormones, Adam, imagine trying to get this many hormone tests through a doctor. No, it's expensive as hell to do it. And it will do it for it. And it takes forever to get it. And a pain, they won't do it for it. And it takes forever to get it done. And yeah, then they won't do it that way.

That has some justified reason. Well, do this frequent as I would like it to be done. So, no, I love that. And even if it's again, like I know that that's the knock especially with the, I know the hormone tests are really accurate, but I know that the. The food sensitivity one tends to get criticism because it's not perfect, but there is no perfect way to just really figure out besides elimination.

Well, the same people that criticize that, again, I guess it's just the old trainer in me that's been doing this for almost 20 years now that I don't have any of these tools, you know, to try and figure out client who that might be. It was always elimination dies, but everything out. Right, you're doing that for a month. You're guessing. So, you know, if I can have something that costs $49 to $99, that they can test themselves

to give us some sort of idea of what may be the offenders. Of course. I mean, man, to me, that's just like the same way I look at the Fitbit and tools like this. I don't care that it's not 100% accurate. It's more accurate than me guessing. Just totally guessing. That to me is a huge tool when it comes to things like that.

I wanted to tell you guys, so this morning, I actually went to work out at ClubSport. And I haven't worked out there at 6 a.m. in a long time. I've been doing the afternoon kind of workouts or whatever. Don't have the kids this week. I woke up to work out in the garage,

but I woke up early enough and I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to ClubSport. I love working out the kids this week. I woke up to work out in the garage, but I woke up early enough and I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to club sport. I love working out early in the morning. Here's why, not because I love working out early in the morning. That fucking sucks. And it's, you know what it is? It's all the old salty dogs.

It's a bunch of, you know what dude? So I'm working out. It's all these old guys working out and they all talk a bunch of shit. They all, hey, whoo, sad, where you you been talking shit? Then I go in the locker room. Of course, it's a bunch of 70 60 year old 70 year old men Nobody wears shit except for socks So they're walking around naked. They're talking so much shit to each other So I go in the sauna at the very end. I'm sitting in the sauna and there's these three old dudes in there and they were

Fucking ripping each other about how old they are and this and that. And one guy's like, eh, he goes, he goes, I fucking woke up at three o'clock, and it's six o'clock to take a piss. You know how much that fucking sucks? And I'm sitting there, I'm cracking up. And then the guy next to him, he's like, I'm 74 years old.

I don't take a piss till 9 a.m. And they're like, whoa, that's really fucking good. And he goes, yeah, but I don't wake up till 10. Bro, bro, I was almost on the floor. I was laughing so hard at these guys. But they just talk so much complete shit to each other. It's so funny. So yeah, they're talking about the...

Now they seem like they're all friends from the gym or they're their friends outside of the gym. Friends from the gym, some of them don't even know. They just come in. And they see, they recognize, like, oh, he's another old guy, we're a fucking, you know, we're gonna talk about whatever the hell we want. Yeah. Just, it just kills me.

Anyway, it's a good time, I love working out at that time. So, yeah, great. So, have you guys seen the new credit card by Apple? No. Oh, this is fast. Like a legit credit card? Have you seen this, Doug? I haven't.

Okay, so this is really cool. And this, remember when we speculated a long time ago about companies like Apple starting to build their own like ecosystem and like they're gonna be their own government? So I think this is just like one more step in this direction. So you guys know that your credit cards that you have right now, you know, you have like a, excuse me, you have like a rewards program and shit in there.

Yeah, yeah, so cashback or? Yeah, do you guys ever even, you know? Well, I have a Southwest one that's a good one. That's the one I'm using too. I love it. Everybody knows that, right? The airplane ones are the best ones, because everyone flies and that you probably use it.

There's free tickets. Other than that, do you, is anyone use any of all those random tickets? We did one before, yeah, and cash, but yeah, it didn't give you the best payout. So here's what's dope about Apple, what Apple's, and we should have known that they were laying the it didn't give you the best payout. So here's what's dope about Apple, what Apple's, and we should have known that they were laying the foundation for this

when you started seeing all this. Did you guys remember when you started seeing like all the like, oh, we take Apple, you know, Apple pay, Apple pay. Yeah, I use that all the time. Right, so they've worked out all kinds of deals with lots of these companies. Now, for them, it's gonna, with the value for them, is they're gonna gain all kinds of

data on you. Where you shop, where you buy all these things. But this is what's so brilliant about this. So let's just take an example of like maybe my mom, okay. I use the chevron gas station around my corner, you know, probably once a week, every, every single week. I go down to Safeway and I grocery shop around the corner at least twice a week.

I go to Nordstroms and I pick something out there probably once or twice a month. So it tracks all those things and where you're starting, you're gonna start to get rewards and money and cash back are all these places that you already shop. Specifically those companies. And it'll be like an automatic, you'll get an alert.

Adam, here's a $1.75 towards Chevron Gas. To push you to wanna make sure you go fill your gas up again at that point. Or, oh, Adam, here's 10% off your next Safeway purchase and automatically build. So smart. Is it not brilliant? So smart.

So brilliant. So they're covering all the physical places you go like Amazon's do know your Online like tracking all of your like buying habits and all that so that's cool They're so I angle so I believe they do that too though I believe they do all your all your stuff online Wow, and it breaks everything down to show you how much you say how much you're yep, wow so brilliant I love that I mean I love credit cards first of all, I never hold a balance. Now, think about smart.

I'm the worst customer. I pay it off every month. I know every month I pay it off. Now, Afapple does a really good job of really making these rewards awesome and user friendly and everybody's like, oh my God, I'm winning all the way by using this. And then you end up using it 99% of the time.

Now they have like incredible data on you and all of your shopping behaviors and all of your behaviors on where you go and what to do and like how to target you for advertising for these companies. Isn't that fucking brilliant? Yeah, it's smart. It's so smart. Yeah, so now you're getting targeted at for the shit that you already buy. Already buy. It's like, oh, yeah, Sal goes to, you know, whatever store, you know, three times a year and it's been three months since he's been to that store whatever store, three times a year.

And it's been three months since he's been to that store. Also, didn't you get a 25% off coupon for that place? It's like, oh shit, I need to go there anyways. Yeah, brilliant. So fucking brilliant. That's huge. Dude, I was watching this trailer, and I was on the flight back, and I was watching YouTube.

And there was a movie trend. So you guys know Logan Paul obviously, he's a huge YouTube star, and he's been doing all kinds of crazy stuff lately. Like, a paper view, he just did like a major fight and it's about to do another one, right? You know, boxing match against another YouTube star. Well, now he's getting into movies.

And there's this movie, I think it's called Airplane Mode. They have like 25 of the most popular YouTubers in this movie acting. Wow. And so it looks like a monstrosity. Think about them, just their personalities are carrying this movie. They're not trained actors or anything. This is just like, and I know it's gonna crush. It's gonna crush.

It has a guaranteed audience. Well, not only that, but we have already seen the evolution of reality TV. So people that don't give a fuck that they can't act, you just wanna see the people, you have to watch this trailer. It is cringeworthy. This movie is gonna be worse than I can't even think of like Airplane or something else like that.

That's actually funny because they're making fun of all, but this is like they're really trying to, you know, make it suspenseful. Those are the few, those are the celebrities of today and definitely a celebrities of tomorrow. Yeah. My kids don't know any frickin' Hollywood celebrity. Is that what it was? It's crazy.

It's bizarre to me. It is, it is bizarre, but it's really how it's going to work. That's it. And imagine if you've got five people in the movie, okay, and they all have two million followers. Two million followers. It's a guarantee, it's a built-in audience. Totally.

It's just so frustrating though, because like, you could just, it's so obvious that they haven't taken any acting classes or anything, and so it's just like, whatever, we're just here. So the fun thing to speculate on is this is, will this be just a, a, a, a, a, flash in the pan? Yeah, like a test. Yeah, like, like people will do it for the time being like it's because they're intrigued by it. But if Logan Paul kept doing fights on pay-per-view for

the next, you know, three to five years, will probably the third or fourth one people be like, these are, it's lame watching this guy right now. Yeah, once the novelty wears off, let's see what happens. Right, that's exactly, right? It's wins is no longer novel anymore, and every YouTube person is doing something. Because acting is a real skill. Yeah, it's a real skill.

And that's the thing, I would be like so offended if I was like a real actor. Yeah, but what do you get in do? Yeah, but what if the formula isn't to like quote unquote act? What if is just play off of it reality TV? Yeah, I mean that's what about it Have been better. Yeah, I don't it's interesting that are you sure it's not like that you sure it's not scripted for sure Oh, it is. It's it's bad dude. You guys are not get to watch so this was on the flight back But how was the flight? How was your whole trip out there? Oh, since it was a blur. Like I honestly, I saw your timeline.

I saw you did your time. I tried to like at least for that, that one day. And where did you head out to again? It was headed out to basically Washington, DC, which I didn't even know, uh, uh, dools or capitals. Yeah, you know, I didn't know it was in Virginia. Like it's on the border of Virginia.

Yeah. So anyway, we flew in there and then, uh, did some, some cool content, uh was in Virginia, like it's on the border of Virginia. Yeah. So anyway, we flew in there and then did some cool content. You know, it was Ben Pollock in in Christian Graham and we shot it all at this gym. I think it's called the spot, which was really nice of them for letting us come in and everything. But it was great. We actually, as we're shooting and everything,

there was three guys that worked for Mike Matthews that were there. And they recognized me right away me right away because he's based out of there. Yeah, I didn't even I didn't even put that together. Oh, you know, our boys out here. You know who I saw that that he actually did a post. I saw it was the one that I reshared. Yes, that one. He took a picture of me like a sneaky ninja. Yes, which I'm like, come on guy. Matt, Matt Kemp, I want to say. Yeah, Matt Kemp. Is that what his name is?

He's been actually listening to the podcast for a really long time. Yeah, he's actually like one of the OGs. And I remember, he's like up and coming, young Kemp. Yeah, puts out pretty decent comment or content. The only one knock that I know I razz him about that we're not eye on is he's a big I.I.F.Y.M guy.

Oh, yeah. But that's because he's fucking 20. Yeah. So we'll see when he's fucking 40. How he feels? Well, they were super nice. I mean, my this whole trip was pretty crazy. It was funny because it made me appreciate like Katrina even more because I totally forgot

to like basically check in. And so we had, like, C-group for both connecting flights to get to the channel so mad, dude. I was like, no, you know what, I didn't realize. I was like, she only checks a sim with Adam. Yeah, I was like, Adam, next time I'm bringing Adam because then I don't have that ticket here. The carol fells him with, like, oh my God. Bro, I was in the middle seat just in between

two fat fucking dudes and I was like, middle seat just like in between two fat fucking dudes and I was like, oh, just, I gotta share some of you on that note that Katrina said to me last night. She's like, was it last night? Yeah, I think it was last night and I before about South. She goes, South, South message me for an Itener A for his L.I. trip. I'm like, oh, and she's like, I totally

did it for him. She goes, but I kind of laughed because she's like, there was not much to the itinerary, right? Because we had one thing. She's laughing. She's like, oh, God, you and him are so much the same. I don't know what I'm doing. I know. Sal, like a flight just right. Salately flew from Satt Jose to LA with straight to Chase Tudings talk he talked there then flew back and Salad text Katrina. Hey could I get an itinerary for? Oh, I know what had a lot of moving parts man. It was crazy Oh, you're way more organized than I am well, whatever, but it was like that's why we lean on him to I know Well, that's why she's like oh, he'll probably check himself in but I was like oh, no

Like I got all dependent on her. Forgive for me. But so yeah, we were like flying in and then we got it. Like, because you lose three hours, I believe. And so we got in real late. It was, we left it like 12, 30 or one o'clock and we get there like 11. You know, and so I'm like hungry. I'm trying to find, thankfully, like the bar in the hotel

was open. So we were able to eat, but then right away, we didn't get to bed till maybe 1230, because we were just adrenaline and trying to wind down. And so we wanted to get going early, and this is going to be a long day. We got a lot to shoot. We got all this stuff to accomplish. And I have to make sure everybody's the timings all right, all this stuff.

So we get in there at like seven, because know, to, because it's like 40 minutes to get to the actual gym. So I do have at six, and then, you know, we're trying to find coffee, you know, because fuck, I can't do anything without coffee, you know, that cup zero is a real thing. And so we get in Uber and like drive over there and it was like, from then on, I was,

I mean, thankfully Ben was like right on time and we just had to organize everything so we had to call the owners because the music was still on, everything was locked, like all this crazy stuff. It was like, it was chaos, but then it started to go in a direction where it was like, okay, we're making a lot of progress.

We're making a lot of progress. All these things are happening. And then we were like done at like two o'clock. And I'm like, what am I gonna do now? Like my whole day was like devoted around this. You finished the two? Yeah, dude. Go to bed.

Yeah, why couldn't I? So like adrenaline. Nine coffees later. Yeah. It sucked, dude. And then what'd you do for the rest of the day? So basically we were just working on stuff on computer. And then like just, I mean, I was trying to chill out and and pass out and then later went to dinner with with

Kristen Ben was was not with us, but we went to dinner that night and then tried to go to bed early and it would go to bed at like 11 o'clock. Get up at 4 a.m. and then we had to catch an Uber by 415 to be able to get to our flight that left at 5.30 a.m. Oh, damn. And then so thankfully I remembered to check in Saturday. So I remembered that day so I actually got like a B group in A and so I was like made my way back at least with that. But yeah, so we hopped on the plane.

Boom, take off. I have two layovers. So I got to go to Denver. Boom. Sit there and then take off. I have two layovers. So I gotta go to Denver, boom, sit there, and then we have like a 30 minute layover, then we go all the way, and I was like, oh, I didn't see the second, there was no second ticket. I thought that like maybe there was a mistake.

Now there's no two layovers. Like I think she was like, you know, didn't read that right, but no, we went to Burbank. And then we just sit in Burbank, and we stayed on the plane. So I didn't see that part. So then we went to therebank and then we just sat in Burbank and we stayed on the plane so I didn't see that part. So then we went to there and then finally went home. So I get home and this doesn't stop here.

Okay, I'm gonna keep going. So then I go from there, I drive immediately to Half Moon Bay because my kids are at my nephew's birthday party at this beach. I show up there, I try and like, hey, show face. Hey, hey brother and all this stuff. You know, getting a sandwich, cram down this sandwich, you know, hey happy birthday, too, you can, let's go.

Grab my oldest, get in the truck, okay, like put your stuff on, put all your cleats on, all this stuff, let's jam, like I have to coach flag football. So I'm driving an hour and a half back over to get to this place, we get there, I'm like frazzled, we're maybe like five minutes from kickoff, and the other guy I'm working with had everybody already and everything,

and he's like, okay, so the game plan is just that, and yeah, I totally forgot the game plan, you know. And so I'm still in the sidelines, trying to rally them, and then the first play, I called a defensive front that I knew, for some reason I just threw it out there It wasn't the one that I was supposed to do and then they scored on it And I'm like no

It's I'm just like like punching myself and then we you know We came back and we rallied back But then we still lost by like one touchdown. So anyway, I took that one for the team I took that one to heartboss like dude. I'm so like frazzled right now. I'm not thinking clearly, you know, you got a bed early at least. So I tried it. I was like trying to chill. But then we, I got home with the kids and then they wanted to show me all this cool stuff that they've been doing while I was gone. And then Courtney actually got back. She was in San Diego. And so she just, she just came back from her sister's birthday.

And so she had to tell me all about what happened with that and it was a surprise and all the stuff. And so I didn't upstate it. So like, I think it was 10.30 and then I slowly tried to calm down, calm down, calm down. Thank God for like our bio hacks with chili pad. You know, he's different things. Like the feeling's great glasses. You know, I'm just like putting all this shit like, he's different things, like the feel of spray glasses,

you know, I'm just like putting all this shit, like the everything. I'm going to the juve, I'm sitting for the juve, I'm dead, I'm like going down like crazy, you know. Oh, I finally, I calmed down, and it was probably like 11 o'clock, I finally went to see,

and then I didn't know if I was gonna wake up, and here I am. So, thank God you made it. Yeah, thank God. It was crazy, it was worth it. Thank God, hey, you guys wanna hear about And here I am. So thank God you made it. Yeah, thank God. It was crazy. It was worth it. Thank God. Hey, you guys want to hear about the,

what I think is going to be the biggest fucking selling product ever. What? Oh yeah. Oh no, this is a real deal. This is in Forbes magazine. The world's first GMO probiotic has been invented and it was designed,

you're ready for this, to cure hangovers. Wow. And it works. Yes. It actually, fucking works. What? So they did, they did it. That's dangerous, they created, it's been launched.

So they launched it. Do we have a company named by chance? It's Zbiotics. Write that down, Dan. Yeah, fuck, man. Yeah, write that shit down. Yeah, shut out. It's an FDA compliant patent pending probiotic drink

that's been genetically engineered to break down a toxic byproduct of alcohol called a seedle of hide. I think I'm pronouncing it right. That's why you feel like shit the day after you drink alcohol is because that byproduct is what causes all the problems. You take this probiotic, the bacteria has been modified to destroy or to break down that byproduct.

So then you don't have it. And so as I read the article, the author is saying, oh, it fucking works. Yeah, it tested it several times. So I thought too, it was like dehydration was another factor to that. Sure, drink your water and all that stuff, but you still could feel like garbage the next day.

Yeah, definitely. So apparently, and they have studies to bet to stuff, how crazy is this? That's crazy. It's a GMO is that when I was in college. Now I'm a little bit afraid of this kind of stuff, right? It's okay, you did GMO bacteria that we're consuming? I feel like that might go somewhere bad.

I don't know. Frankenstein bacteria. Sounds like a sci-fi movie if you ask me. Yeah. But yeah, someone sent this to me and I did a little research. Tell me that's not crazy. Wow. Yeah. We're gonna, I'm gonna test it out. This is launched. Is it going? Yeah. It's going. That's what you're saying over but makes you into a zombie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, but every time they play the sound you do what they tell you.

See it? Yeah, that's your ink. How much does it cost their dug? $12 a bottle. Wow. Well, hey, if it works, fuck. I mean, it's as much as a drink. Remember that next time. How much do you tell you even, it's not even a shot. It's a half an ounce, isn't it?

Is that what it says? I can't see from here. Yeah, half ounce. Oh, yeah, that's not even a shot. It's tiny. Wow. Yeah, it's tiny. I can't wait to try this out.

Oh, that's good. Yeah, that is. That is going to be game changer. And speaking of science, I was doing more reading, so I've been doing a lot of reading on the other lesser known cannabinoids. The well-known ones being, of course, THC, which we know what that does, gets you high and all that stuff.

CBD, which, you know, everybody's trying to sell now. But I've been trying to learn about the other cannabinoids. I told you guys about CBG a little while ago. I've been reading about a cannabinoid called CBC, a cannabacromine. And CBC when in studies shows that it improves the body's ability to utilize its own natural cannabinoids. So if you take CBC, it makes your body work better

with other cannabinoids. So if you take CBC, it makes your body work better with other canabinoids. It's also been shown in animal studies to promote the growth of brain cells. Believe it or not. So the old adage that weed will shrink your brain or whatever. There's canabinoids that do the exact opposite. There's cannabinoids that do the exact opposite. Now, CBC, CBC, CBG, CBD, and other cannabinoids are all found if you get something that's full spectrum. So like Ned, who we work with, they make full spectrum hemp oil. And it's funny because the response that we get

from people who do that versus who just use pure CBD, it's way different. I don't know about you. So isn't that the same with like, I mean, a lot of these plants, like they find like dual properties to them. So one sort of like cancels out the other to balance it out.

Like so is that in hemp that they find CBG? Well, so hemp has all the cannabinoids in it. The only one that has very low amounts or no amounts is THC, that's why it's legal. But when you use CBD by itself, you're not going to get, if you test the NZO-LITIC, the anti-anxiety effects of pure CBD, and you compare that to a full spectrum where you have all the other cannabinoids, you just feel better. Oh, and there you go. Is that the NED website, Doug?

That's correct. So the most prevalent cannabinoid that was tested, and they have third party testing. This is why we work with them in the first place. CBD is the highest, the, the highest amount, which is expected. CBD is one of the main cannabinoids. Then CBD is, a CBC is next. CBG is third. And then after that you have like the C-B-D-V and stuff like that, but there you go, man. That's why people keep talking about how it works, especially when they compare it to C-B-D-L. Well, that's a really big deal, because I thought, I was under the impression that the

only thing that were neurogenesis occurred was during fasting. So, you're saying that this, the C animals. So I have this wasn't tested on humans, but in cats, they gave them CBC and they promoted neurogenesis. So then I wonder if you were to fast and take that if it would like put that into hyperdrive or not. Well, so when I was doing my long fast, my 72 hour fast, I was doing that. That was using the, I was messing around with cannabinoids because, and here's why I did it. I didn't do it for that reason. The reason why I did it is I know that fasting promotes cell death for old cells.

So old cells tend to kill themselves. That's what makes fasting so anti-cancer. Cannabinoids also have that effect. Cannabinoids, when you expose cancer cells to high doses of canabinoids, they tend to want to commit suicide and kill themselves, that's why canabinoids are anti-cancer. So I experimented and thought, hey, if I fast and supplement with canabinoids,

maybe I'll get kind of... That'd be so cool to see some studies around that, wouldn't that be cool? I 100% think the fasting and cannabinoids will become adjuvant therapies to chemo. I really do, I think that you're gonna see that in the future. Fastings already being looked at by the FDA, cannabinoids being studied by pharmaceutical companies

for anti-cancer purposes, but that's the big difference. What you're seeing right now in the market is CBD, pure CBD, or if it has any CBD at all, right? A lot of them are liars. But you're probably not now in the market is CBD, pure CBD, or if it has any CBD at all, right, a lot of them are liars. But you're probably not going to reap the same effects without the untourage effect, the other cannabinoids, which, you know, Nat has all of them, so. We're all so late, different. This quaz brought to you by Organify.

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The same way. Yeah, great answer. Yeah, good. Great answer. They nailed it. There is no 100% accurate way of measuring body fat besides you die and then they take your fat off and then weigh it and then they can see where it's at.

They're all inaccurate, but they vary in what they're, you know, in their accuracy, like calipers and then it goes, you know, biometric impedance is probably the worst. That's the one that that you touch the handles and it measures your body fat. You could change that. You can manipulate it like crazy. Within 10 minutes, you could change it. Calipers, a lot of that is the error of the person giving it, the consistency of how they're testing your body fat. And of course, they're genetic, you know. Hydrostatic weighing. That's gotta be the best one I've had.

It's a better option, you see. Yeah, between that and then also a body compression with the bod pod, yeah. Yeah, bod pods. I've never done the bod pod. I mean, they're all fairly accurate, right? But they all have a room for air and manipulation. And the idea is that whatever you do, you're consistent with that. And that's the main takeaway from this is like,

okay, it's the time of the day. You do it. Yeah, everything, what you drink, all that, right? Yeah, control all the factors. And the more you control like that, right? Control all the factors. And the more you can control like that, the more accurate those things become. I mean, if you are really consistent with your food and take, your water and take, the time that you do it at, the consistency of who takes the test on you,

I mean, all those factors are controlled. Then, I mean, it'll be a really good, a really good example of where you were and where you are now. The actual number of what it says is less important to the change over the time. Anytime I had to have a client that would do a test and we've done all of these. I've done calipers, biomepedients, I've done the bod pod, I've done the dunk tank, or the hydrostatic way, whatever. I've used all of them.

That one is the one that I like to use the most. I want the person. Really, you like that? Yeah, I hate the hydrostatic way. Where you gotta go into water and breathe out every bit of air. That's not people have a hard time with that. It's terrifying.

Cause it is counterintuitive, right? But the thing about that though is, and I've talked to the guy who runs those, right, is even if you held your breath and you would under the amount of air is way less, like, it would only make a difference. I think it was like, the most it can make a difference is like up to a half a percent. Oh, really?

Right. So if you, even if you held your breath and you went under and you didn't release your air like you're supposed to, it wouldn't skew the test by that much. So now, have you found more value in them just like taking pictures of them, their body and like being able to kind of like look at that like on a weekly basis? So I use I use kind of all the above right. So again, this goes back to, you know, when we started doing a lot of these, they, you know, tracking and helping people, we just didn't have a lot of these tools. The fact that we have tools now where

I can have someone enter their food into an app. I can have, obviously we've had scale weight for a long time. I can have a scale weight. I can have a body fat test, and then I can also have a very clear, easy digital picture they take on a weekly basis. I like all of it. So, and as a coach, that's what I would ask for.

And I really would not, I didn't give a lot of, I didn't give a lot of, there wasn't a lot of conversation with me and my client around these things. It really was, I want you to do all these things for me to collect the data from there. I kind of make the decision on which way to go for my clients. And the visual one is my favorite for, because what happens to us,

even if all the data is showing the right direction, like, oh, body fat, the body fat test shows them down, my scale says I'm down one or two pounds, but what do clients normally say to you? Like, I feel the same. I feel like I look the same, or I don't. Those feet the same. Yeah, because they look at themselves

four times a day every day, and we know how incremental change is like this, with body, fat percentage of building muscle, it's over the course of a month or two, it's time we're talking about a few pounds of swing of muscle and fat. It's not like a huge difference, distributed throughout your entire body.

So it's very subtle changes. But when you have a nice visual that you can look at from four weeks ago today, and if you've been doing good, diet wise, training wise, you should see a nice visual change in body composition if you've done a good job. So when I first became a trainer,

I did regular body fat tests and I did circumference measurements and I did a lot of stuff. Later on, I moved away from all of it. And here's what. Now I can see the value in it for a couple of different reasons. Like every once in a while you get a client who's like, oh my god, the scale only moved a pound, what's going on?

And then you could show them, oh, actually, you lost four pounds of body fat and you gained, you know, three pounds of muscle and that's why the scale only moved a pound. So there's some value in that, but here's why I moved away from all that. It starts to, it encourages this obsession, this body obsession with constantly checking, constantly looking at myself. And later on, I realized what I'm trying to do is create lifelong good behaviors

and also create a good relationship with their body and with exercise. And so I moved away from all that. And what I found was that was more successful. I was more successful later on by not, because they would end up measuring and weighing themselves anyway, I just stopped doing all that. And we would just focus on performance and feel and all that stuff.

It also speaks to I mean this is where we're all very different right like. You know there's definitely even though we have almost the same amount of years experience the types of clients that we probably train more of like you definitely trained probably more advanced age people and people that just want a general health and feel better like I definitely trained probably more advanced age people and people that just want a general health and feel better. Like, I definitely trained probably more of the high performing, you know, 30 to 50 year old, like CEO want, you know, and they want to know in engineers.

Yeah, and so I liked this, I liked a lot of this stuff for those reasons. But people asked me, I wouldn't turn them down. If they said, hey, can I test my body fat, I would do it every single time. But I definitely spent a lot of time in the very beginning establishing as many of these metrics as I possibly could.

And then I'd revisit it based on request, like something like that would come up. So it was kind of a both, you know, in between both of you guys, it's sort of methods to where I would make sure like I had a lot of the data that I could refer to and then kind of see the progress over like maybe it was some, a month, maybe it was three months, like,

but I would revisit it. I just remember how much, how much this was, this changed me when I was getting into competing. Like when I started to compete and I had to track, like up to that point, I never, not to this level. Like I kind of tracked, went back in the days when I used to write things to that point. I never, not to this level, like I kind of tracked when back in the days, I used to write things down and, but I was never as diligent and as consistent

as I was when I was getting ready to compete. Even the year leading up to competing, I was already tracking very diligently. So, for about, I had about five years of just neurotic tracking. And it taught me a lot, and it really opened my eyes to a few things. And one of the biggest things I think it opened my eyes to

that relates to the common person was, what a difference carbohydrate and water intake and sodium intake could really manipulate the way somebody's body looks from hour to hour to day to day almost. And what it did to me was, and I remember tracking, knowing that my macros were right online, my water was good, my training was all good, but then also I would take a picture in the evening time in the next day in the middle of the week or something, and I'd be like,

whoa, I look worse than what I looked just a week or two ago. And what came to mind right now, what was I was okay was I knew I was tracking so far. So I knew I was okay. And I'm like, oh wow, okay. I probably, here's the, you know, I drink a half gallon more water today.

And I, you know, I increased, this is a higher carb day. So I had an extra 100 grams of carbohydrates. The difference of 100 grams of carbs and a half a gallon of water makes a huge difference in water retention in your body and could change the visual effect and even the scale by a significant amount.

But that doesn't mean you're doing bad on your program. It means you could still be doing perfect, but it could throw you off on the mental side. And so if I felt that as a coach, a trainer, perfect, but it could throw you off on the mental side. Yeah. And so if I felt that as a coach, a trainer, a knowledgeable experience person who knew what was going on, and I felt that, oh, whoa, what did I do? And I had to go back and look, oh, I'm fine. That made me go, wow, how many clients do you tell them, eat this way, train this way,

do this? And they're going through, I trust Adam or Sal and Justin, I trust what they're saying, but in the back of their mind, they're still questioning because they're like, I definitely don't feel like I'm making progress, or I don't feel good today, I feel, and then I'm not going to tell him, but I'm going to skip that last meal tomorrow, or I'm going to get on some cardio. I mean, I know I had clients that did shit like this. I know I had clients that, you know, even though I was telling them what to do, still didn't listen to me and went and did more, you know, like, oh, I them what to do, still didn't listen to me and went and did more.

You know, like, oh, I'm going to do a little more. That can scale change the pattern. Right, because the scale change. So as a tool, as a tool in that sense, to explain things and break things down, I mean, it makes a lot of sense. The problem I have with the trainer who does the regular testing, which I did for the first few years of training. It was like every other week, oh, today we're going to do measurements. We're going to compare it to last, you know,, which I did for the first few years of training. It was like every other week, oh, today we're gonna do measurements, we're gonna compare it to last time I did them.

The reason why I stopped that, I mean, think about it. Here you are, you're the average person, you never have worked out really consistently. You're trying to make this a part of your life. And every two weeks you got a test. Every two weeks I'm showing up to get tested. School.

Yeah, like, okay, you know, I'll fuck, here we go. Here's what I, it really does encourage a bad relationship with exercise. It creates a bad relationship with the gym and it encourages body obsession, obsession with every little change of my body, obsession with what's going on. Well, you know, it's like, I would tell clients

not to weigh themselves. Oftentimes I would take a teleclient, do me a favor, take your scale, put it in the closet, don't use it anymore. And they would do better. Do you mean times I would have a client where I would tell them to stop focusing so heavily on everything, stop micromanaging everything, and then they would end up getting more fit and leaner

because they removed the stress and anxiety from all that. So towards most of the back half of my career, we didn't do measurements. We didn't, I mean, unless they asked me or if I had to illustrate a point like what you're saying at them or someone's like, what's going on my way? Why is my way changing?

Then I would do stuff like that and it's okay, here's what's going on. It's obviously waterway, I tested your body fat. Your body fat didn't go up. You know, you can hold more water. And then once I'd make that point, no more focus on that stuff. If you're creating a competitor, makes perfect sense. Yeah, I would say that I always eventually move away from it.

I mean, the goal is always intuitive training and intuitive eating. It's the ultimate goal for you want to get it in client, where they're not dependent on you. They're not dependent on all these tests and things to feedback. But for teaching purposes, 100% everybody, still to this day, if I were to coach and help somebody, the very first thing I make them do is to track all these things very diligent. Now, body fat percentage, I don't like to take

body fat percentage more often than about every six weeks. Just because it's, they say a half a percent to a percent a week is about the high end. It's user error, I mean, God, how you can error that with the test. Right, so exactly. So if you could easily error that, I don't wanna be tracking that diligently on body

fat percentage because it could really easily be skewed the wrong way and then throw them for a loop the other direction where it's six weeks to eight weeks. You know, that's enough time of consistency that I should be able to show them a good, solid improvement. And I always trip over the body, like you think a particular body fat percentage is supposed to look a way, a particular way. Mo looks different. But boy, is it different? Oh, yeah. I supposed to look a particular way? No, it looks different. But boy, is it different?

Like, I tend to look leaner than I am. Oftentimes, I would get a test and be like, wow, I thought I was 7%, but I'm actually around, 8%. When you look at my shoulders, arms, and legs, when you look at my midsection, I look higher than my body fat percentage, what typically would say, for me to have a six pack

in the past, I'd have to be single-digit body fat. I knew guys that would hit, you know, six pack at 11% body fat. That wasn't me. I'd have to go 98%. So it is very different from person to person and getting too focused on that. You know, that just causes problems. I would say, you know, take it with a grain of salt, use it as a tool, but don't focus too heavily on it. Next question is from Will Schreiner. My nine-year-old girl wants to start working out with me in the gym. Do you recommend bands or free weights? Body weight. I think that's the best way to start. Definitely. Is to get them to learn how to manipulate their own body, standing squats, elevated type push-ups, you know, practicing handstands where you hold her legs up so she can kind of try to support herself. Come apps anywhere protocol. Yeah, you know, because that proprioceptive ability will benefit them tremendously.

Now if I had to pick between bands and weights, I don't know, I guess I would probably pick weights but go super, super light. Now here's the truth. There is no wrong answer here. So long as their form and stability and technique is perfect, there is no wrong answer here. So long as their form and stability and technique is perfect, there is no fear of the fear of injuring your kid is if you have them go beyond their capability and their capabilities. And the capability is pretty low. Like you'll take a little kid who you know has the strength to let's say press 10 pound a 10 pound weight above their head

but they don't have the balance to do it and you'll, press 10 pound, a 10 pound weight above their head, but they don't have the balance to do it. And you'll notice this, you'll take a 10-year-old, have them hold it, a one-pound dumbbell, that's light. And they're handled. That's the biggest struggle you're gonna have trying to coach them through these movements is just that their body is just not as aware

that what to sort of anchor down and what to, what to press and how to actually like hold their body and sustain, you know, their body in that, that, that plane in that, that, that position. So to be able to get them to, you know, access, you know, way to brace their body and like control the movement, controlling the movement is everything at the early stage. I mean, you could follow something that's that we've written and created like I'm apps anywhere, but you could even simplify more than that if you didn't want to invest in a full program

for them to follow. Like I would literally do so, I would be squatting, pulling up, lunging, you know, body weight row. Planking, pulling yourself up. Some very, I would pick like five movement, body weight type movements. Yeah, that's very. Yeah, pulling yourself up. I would pick like five movement, bodyweight type movements. Yeah, that's very basic and just perfect those.

Get good at them, get controlled with them, watch form. Because they're gonna have a hard time with that single leg toe touch. I know that's in anywhere. And I think that's a great... So here's something I used to do with kids with that. I'm glad you brought that exercise up. I used to, so here's the thing with kids,

is you gotta make it kind of a game. So, because I've trained kids as young as nine years old and so what I would do is I would take a bunch of I don't know marbles or pencils and I put them on the floor and it's a you have to bend over and pick these up But you have to do it while standing on one foot So then they would automatically kind of do this single leg toe touch Trying to pick up as many pencils as they can with one hand and then if they touch the floor Okay, touch the floor you got five pencils good job And I'll see if you can beat that get them to get six this time Yeah, so kind of create, you know those types of of games give them a medicine ball

You know, tell them push this off your chest. Y'all far you could throw it You know throw this to dad or whatever throw us a mom and kind of have those games and the workouts tend to be short You're looking at 20 minute type workouts unless you're you get the you get the rare. I used to, when I used to own my little wellness studio, I was next to this coffee shop, this breakfast joint. And the owner there had this young boy who loved, he was a small kid for his age. And he used to ride a skateboard and then he'd stop and watch through the window and he would just look with awe. He would always stop right around the times that I would be working out.

This would be around summertime when he was at a school and he'd watch me work out. And I could recognize the look in his face. Like it was me, that was me when I was a kid. Like I looked up to strong. Just enamored with you. Yeah, strong muscular, like oh my God, I wanna get strong. And so then, you know, I'd go out there

and be like, what's up buddy? And he'd be like, do you wanna be big and strong? He's like, yeah, I wanna lift with, now that kid like that, let him go. Have a great time. That kid easily spend an hour and a half in my studio working out. Right, that's like my youngest.

It really is, like, it's, they watch you, they start mimicking. And that's where I was like, I mean, I even taught my youngest, and he's only six years old out, like, it's, they watch you, they, they, they start mimicking. And that's where I was like, I mean, I even taught my youngest, he's only six years old out of like, he has pretty proper mechanics for a kettlebell swing already. So, I mean, it's, there's little things that you just notice if they start to pick up on it, I can like coach, you know, just, just a little bit to sharpen it up for them. And then they, he just goes in their works at it.

Yeah. I would personally, I would take like, I would have, if you don't already own the maps anywhere program, I would take that and then I would pick a handful of exercises from there and teach that to your, is your daughter, is it daughters? Yeah. You get your daughter and see what, what if she like just falls in love with it and is good at it right away and is looking for more with the end. So my goal is dad is like, I would like to get to the point

where she could actually do this whole program, but I'm gonna start off with just a few of these movements and see if that keeps her attention and she works towards getting her bed. She's built on it from there. Yeah, and just build on it. You know, add a new exercise every, you know, maybe you'll only give her three

to five exercises to work on and do while you're working out. And then as she gets better, I'd add another exercise and add another exercise. And you might find someone like the kid sourcing, she may be thirsty for more right away. Oh, that's rare though. Most kids though, you get bored after about 20.

Here's the big key. This is what I've told parents this time and time again. The big key is to create positive fun associations with exercise. Because if it becomes a do this, do that, and the kid dreads it, you're creating a relationship where they'll probably not wanna work out when they're on their own, when they're older,

they're gonna rebel and they're like, fuck, I don't like the gym, my dad needs to force me to do it. I hate, you know how many clients I've had? Who are- Like food, dude, just saying anything with food. Yeah, I have had a lot of clients who were competitive like swimmers and then they never wanted to fucking swim again.

So, Zayrou Downwood School, like, because their parents forced them all the time. Yeah, they're just overbearing. Yeah, so, like, here's what I do with my son, right? With my son, now, he doesn't have the same thirst for lifting weights, like I did. And it probably because he's not insecure, like I was. I was super insecure about my body,

and that was what drove me. He's pretty secure with himself, so, you know, and we enjoy it, but what I do with the workouts with him is he gets to cuss, we get to tell dirty jokes. It's like, it's time with him and dad where he could like talk like, hand time. However he wants, you know what I mean?

And so we have a lot of fun. So I know later on when he's older, he'll remember and be like, oh, that was a good time when my dad creates that good. With my sister, I'm excuse me, with my daughter, we'll play music, we'll dance, we'll have fun, I'll color with her, throw darts, and then in between we exercise.

And my goal is to try to make them, like, look forward to the time, or at the very least, not have a bad experience, because I've seen a lot of parents with their kids where it's like, fucking boot camp. And I'm looking at the kids and I'm like, you're fat, you're not. No, unfortunately a lot of parents

that get their kids involved in fitness is because of that because they've allowed them to overeat for so long. The kids put on a foot. Living my carelessly. Yeah, then the kids put on a bunch of body fat then the parents go, oh shit, I see I've done this. So now I'm needing to make my kid exercise.

Worst thing ever. No, no, it's not good. And what'll end up happening is when your kid is old enough to make their own decisions. That's how they're going to rebel. They're going to go exact opposite of that. Next question is from Adam Pullman Fit. As you guys have met more and more trainers and coaches in the fitness industry, what do you feel is keeping them from seeing their clientele and business flourish?

Oh, this is great because we just had our team meetings this morning and we meet with all of our staff one at a time and One of the things that we were discussing with Eli and Danny is this actually exact topic and You know, we talked about this with mine pump when we first we first came in the space and it was really apparent to us that The people that were the most popular on YouTube and Instagram that were good trainers that were that putting out really intelligent, smart information was, I don't think they realize that they're speaking more to their peers and a very small percentage of the population. It would be other trainers, coaches, PT's, and then the high end, you know, or high percentage of people that are very advanced, been lifting for a really long time, understands somewhat of anatomy, looking for the competitive

edge inside the gym. When you, when you look at the entire population, that really probably only makes up about 5%, maybe 10% of the entire population. And so one of the things that I, and this goes for a lot of these great trainers that we've met that we've highlighted on our YouTube, that we've had on the podcast and that we've met personally, it's like this vicious cycle that's happening.

In the new ones up and coming, they look up to these kids. They look up to the Jeff Nippards that are putting out really good stuff and a lot of these trainers that have created really good YouTube channels that I think are great. But problem is, I don't think they realize who they're attracting. And that it's a very small pool that they're fishing in. And where if they wanted to continue to grow, they would learn to speak more to the average person or the person that actually doesn't even want to go to the gym because of that type of stuff.

And I guess this is something that we put together as trainers a long time ago was, I had to motivate people that didn't want to go to the gym, didn't like working out. And the more and more I was a longer and longer than I was a personal trainer, the more and more I realized that this was the majority. Most people didn't love working out like I did, or love learning about anatomy, love learning about nutrition. Most people hated all that stuff, but they recognized

that it's important, that it's important. That's important for their health. It's important if they want to keep a good physique. It's important to be strong. It's important for longevity. So they're there. They're there because they don't want any of this other deep shit and these trainers, they tend to do that. They tend to speak at this level that attracts other trainers and other high level people that are already motivated to go to the gym. And I think that's where we're missing in the fitness spaces,

learning to speak to everybody and more importantly, speak to the other 95%. They don't speak above everybody. And I think we'd notice this right away too with how much the fitness industry was losing in terms of people out there on Instagram that were just doing like a hype reel and were taking their shirt on and then putting like, you know, a supplement stack out there and then

putting out like, you know, do the like these most simple basic things ever and they were getting like massive traction and they were just, I mean, everybody was paying attention to what they're doing. And we're just like, this is crazy. This is not even good information. But yet they're getting a lot more eyes, a lot more people like buying their products and all these things.

So what was the lesson there was that we really have to simplify and reduce the amount of specific information we present in front of people. So that way we don't overwhelm them or, you know, not relate to them. And in terms of them, just like, oh, I just, I just want to get in shape. Like, can I just focus on that?

Yeah, trainers and coaches focus too much on what they say and they don't focus enough on how they say it. Right. The most important skill, hands down, hands down that you have as a coach and a trainer, far more important than any of the skill you can think of, more important than your knowledge, more important than your education,

more important than how motivating you are, is your ability to communicate. And there's another word for that, it's called sales skills. Now, people listening may be thinking, what do you mean by sales skills? I'm not trying to sell tons of, you're always trying to sell fitness. Every time you talk to your client, look, if I'm talking to somebody, AVCF, and I'm trying to get them to change their eating behaviors, which these are ingrained behaviors. You know how

hard it is to change somebody's eating behaviors. I have to sell it to them, but I have to do it in an effective way. And if I talk above them, or if I talk about too much stuff all at once, I may sound smart, but I'm not going to do a damn good job. I'm not going to do a good job at all. They're not going to change their behavior. So how you communicate by far is the most important skill. And here's the problem. Most of these trainers and coaches focus on learning more stuff, getting more certifications, getting

more knowledgeable, who's the smarter guy or girl, and very few of them focus on how I communicate and am I actually really communicating this in a way that is supremely effective so that it's actually getting people to change? This is the story of Mind Pump. We started Mind Pump with zero media experience, not a single person on this podcast had any experience with any kind of acting or media or podcasting or anything. But what we did have was. I did a high school play though. Yeah, that case. But what we did have though was was decades of working with everyday people. And

here's what happens when you train people for two decades. If you actually really care about people, if you really care about getting them better happens when you train people for two decades. If you actually really care about people, if you really care about getting them better, is you start to figure that out. The first half of your career, you're just fucking, here's your macro breakdown, here's your meal plan, here's your workouts, follow it. Oh cool, you lost 20 pounds, that's awesome.

Oh shit, you gained it back three months later, you stopped working out with me. I see you again, now you're back to where you were square one. You start to learn after about 10 years, that okay. It's not working, what I'm doing is not working. Sure, if they follow exactly what I say, they'll get in shape, but no one's doing that. So am I really helping anybody?

So in the back half of your career, you realize, okay, how I'm communicating this is all wrong. I got to figure out a way to communicate what I know in a way that is effective so that people make forever changes. That's the truth, That's the key now. Do you want your clients to change temporarily? Because that's easy.

Or do you want them to change forever? And if you're a good trainer, it's forever. Focus on your communication skills. I'll tell you something right now. If you have a certified trainer who's experienced and they're sitting there and they're weighing out whether they should invest money in a new certification or invest money in a course on sales skills. You know which one's going to give you way more payback in terms of client success and

success of your business, sales skills, hands down every single time. Well, one of the things that is, and this is the conversation, so Danny and I just had this conversation reason because he's incredibly, I mean, I think Danny has more certifications than almost any trainer I've ever met in my life at Dead Twenth 23. Yeah, that's what you're right. No, he does. He has so many of them.

You could have- Yeah, he literally has every like, now, so the guy is just for a 23 year old, one of the smartest kids that I've met, especially pertaining to book smarts, like he has read every certification and gone to all these courses. Now the problem is, and the challenge that anyone, including himself, has, that I understand

because I felt it even in my late 30s, I felt the insecure feeling that I had when I was on the YouTube channel when we first started. And that is, it's inevitable you're going gonna get these fucking trolls that come on there and they say shit to you and And it makes me want to and what that causes me to do like you come in there and you talk shit It makes me want to be like oh, I need to show them how smart I am like I need to let them like I'm not just some dumb trainer Like I know what the fuck I'm doing and so I start to elevate How I'm speaking or I get deeper and more technical to defend myself with whoever it is that's insulting me.

And the thing that I try to explain to Danny is like, the hundred comments that come on there, that are trolls that are coming in there to correct your terminology that you used, those are not the same people that are sharing it with 10 other friends because it was the most amazing cues that helped them inside the gym. So you need to pay no attention to them.

And I used the example of some of our most viral videos. You know, we've created some videos like the But One, the Bicep Crow One I did, the Chess Fly One I did. And if you look on there, I have just as many negative comments. There's a hundred people on there making fun of my calves, talking shit to me

that I don't understand anatomy and where the bicep inserts, like all this fucking bullshit on there. Just, and I think if I hadn't been doing this now for a while, I could see how somebody like Danny gets stuff like that could affect you and then makes you wanna come back over the top with like this really deep and technical, you know, YouTube or podcasts or whatever,

problem is that's not really helping all these people. And what it is is the most basic simple cue is, and then when I think back of being a trainer, like when I think about every exercise that I've taught, no matter how simple the exercise is, I can tell you that there's a common mistake made, and at least one, if not two or three common mistakes, that hundreds of people

that have been in front of me make. And if I could just help one person, or with one cue related to that exercise, that the person watching me on YouTube can now take back to the gym that day when they go in there and ask. That's easy to understand, makes perfect sense, and most people are gonna experience an issue with.

Exactly. That is the YouTube that gets, that's the video that gets shared a thousand times. And it's like when we look at our videos that are growing our YouTube channel, it's those videos. You can look at the ones that are the most viral, and it's never the most technical and depth video that we made, it's the most basic video that we made

with a really practical solitip. I mean, the bicep crow when I'm talking about, I talk about standing on a split stance and retracting your shoulders. It's like the stupidest. And you don't say that. You say pull your shoulders back. Yeah, I say pull your chest up,

pull your shoulders back, and stand on one leg. Why? Because I know that I've taught that a thousand fucking times and everybody has the habit of rocking their shoulders or cheating it. And when you balance on one leg, you can't cheat it because you'll fall over. When you pull your shoulders back, it keeps you from rocking and the elbows and then getting your shoulders engaged. And they're like, that's it. That's simple. Very simple. No, I'd say focus on how you say things. Are you really being effective in the long term? And here's the second thing.

Stop focusing so much on motivation. That's a, thank you for saying that. That is a losing battle because here's the thing. If you want to develop a lifelong, consistent relationship with exercise, you cannot rely on motivation because motivation does not last forever. There's not a single person on this planet

that has always motivated all the time. It just doesn't work, it's a feeling like any other. It's like happiness or sadness or hunger or sleepiness. It comes and it goes. But if we're constantly training towards motivation, what you're gonna get is you're gonna get a lot of people who start working out and then when the motivation fades, they stop working out, and you really haven't helped anybody.

So the key is to work away from that. How do I get people to become consistent without motivation? I'll tell you, start with a small, realistic, yet challenging goal, but it's gotta be realistic for the person. That may mean they just start working out once a week. That's all it may be, me mean, or it may mean they just read a page out of a fitness book, actually had a client who had to start that way. Have them start doing that consistently and then it becomes a behavior,

and then naturally they're start to add upon that. But the whole motivation thing with this is why there's so many fitness fads. This is why there's spin classes are popular. Oh no, it's bootcamp classes. Oh no, it's orange theory. Oh no, it's curves because they're all about motivation. And motivation fades and as that fades and the fat, then the fat goes away.

And then the next one comes, meanwhile nobody's in shape forever. Nobody's really making any real impact. Now wants the motivation fades. Now it lies on the science. And a lot of that shit's not supported by a lot of really good science. Right, right.

So, so for you. So there you go. Learn how to communicate better. That'll make you the most effective coach and trainer that you can be and stop with the raw, raw, raw motivation shit. That stuff sounds fun and it's cool. Doesn't get anybody in shape forever.

Next question is from Arthur Loco 1017. What was the scariest experience you guys had when working in a gym? How did you handle it and did it change you in any way? Scariest, scary. Well, the first thing that comes to mind for me is the day I thought I was going to get fired. This was when I was 24ish, 2425. I was managing Hillsdale.

I think I've shared this story on the podcast before, maybe. Yeah, is this where you had the party? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I used to, it was really common that I would invite my staff over on a big fight. So this goes back dating myself. and invite my staff over on a big fight. So this goes by dating myself. Right, Mike Tyson was fighting. And then UFC was really starting to come on with math,

with their fights. And we would rent them on paper view. And I would barbeque for the staff. And we'd watch the fight together. And it was just like a team building thing. And honestly, truth be told, I don't think I shared this part of the podcast, a lot of the motivation behind it was I remember one year I was talking to my CPA and I was talking about ways I

could write things off. You're gonna write off the fights? Yeah, you should. You should write off the fights and write off all the food and everything. Look at all these leftovers. I was like, fuck, I'm gonna rent it anyways, so I'll invite some staff over

called a team building. So he was actually gonna put me onto that. So that's actually kind of why it was very consistent with it. So this wasn't like just once or twice. He's due it all the time. Anyways, I had a new front desk girl

that was there. And I also had a new trainer desk girl that was there. And I also had a new trainer who was there. And after the party kind of had died off and there was like a handful, probably five or six trainers still hanging around my place. And outside of my property, or outside of my house, supposedly this new trainer I had tried to force himself on a front desk

grill. And that was reported the next morning. Now, I didn't know anything about it the night of. I didn't know anything until after the fact and the way I found out was HR had called me in into the office. They actually had brought the head of HR down to the gym. I hit that woman. Oh, yeah. And they had both of them in there and they sat me down and they they were going to they were going to fire me over the sensitive because I was the boss and I was hosting it at my house. There was alcohol involved. The shitty part was the way the picture was painted and the way it really was was nowhere

near. This wasn't a party. It was 20 people at best of our staff members. It was a barbecue. I had less than 12. There wasn't even enough beer for each person to have one. That's like how little of alcohol was involved in this situation. But of course, if you weren't there and this situation happens,

it sounds like Adam the irresponsible manager throws parties at his house gets underage people drunk and then some and then one of his staff members forces himself on another staff member and I'm held liable to all this so this really Flocked with me. I mean it was I mean, I'm a really super emotional I left the the gym crying and like just, I thought my whole career, I mean, at this point in my life, I'm at the peak, right?

I bought my house at 22, so here I'm at 24, 25, I'm making six figures plus, like the still economy's decent still right now. Everything's going good for me. And in fact, in the gym, I was out, we were crushing goals. Everything was like, I was in a very good place, and then this happens, and I thought it, we were crushing goals. Everything was like, I was in a very good place and then this happens and I thought

I was all gonna go away. Like I thought I was gonna lose this career that I was in love with and I didn't know what I was gonna do. And I was lucky, I was lucky that there was people, vice presidents and presidents that knew who I was and I was a top performer. And so I got a very stern warning and written up

in like a final documentation if anything like this ever happened again that I'd be terminated automatically. Black mark next to your name though. Yeah, for sure. And for sure it was a black bald forever after that because I'd never got promoted even years later to come. And they always lean back on that. Oh, you know, we don't know.

We're not sure if you're in a place, yeah, we can trust you in a regional position where you have even more responsibility. And so I had that hanging over me for a really long time. But it did shift the way I was with employees. Because at that time, I was so young when I got into leadership that I still kind of led with this speed of the leader and, you know,

because this is before I've talked about the story of that really made the pivot and change and started reading a ton of books and I started leading differently. This point in my career, I'm more like speed of the leader guy and rally the troops, you know, I was like, watch me crush, motivate all the staff members, I'm the cool boss to work with because I'm young, I'm fun, I'm cool to be around. And that was kind of like

my philosophy and that's how I had a lot of success. And that really shook all that up. It was like, holy shit, like I can't get that close to my staff. And I forever changed. I was never the same way. I didn't go hang out with my staff outside if I ever did. It was like with some, because Justin's probably thinking right now, what are you talking about? You and I hung out outside of work. It would be someone who I trusted for a long time.

They were with me and we'd built a relationship that I felt comfortable that we could go on a snowboarding trip together or we could do something. But man, I really never partied with trainers ever again after that because it forever changed how I was with my team. Oh shit, I got a different scary story. I mean, I've been in similar positions to that Adam, but for me, I remember this was my second stint

at 24-hour fitness. So the first time I worked there, left in a blazing glory, had an own to gym. That's a whole different story for different podcasts, but I came back and they gave me the club, a pick, whatever club you want. I picked a club that was in San Jose. They had a re-grand open it.

So I went in there to do the re-grand opening. It was next to the house that I had just moved into. And so I go in there and the assistant manager, the AGM. So when you're a general manager of a club, your right hand man or girl is your assistant, your AGM. That's your top sales person, top person. That's the person you lean on the most. So I walk in there, I'm not going to say his name, but the AGM person that I had was he seemed cool or whatever Been with the company for a long time. So I'm like, all right. This is all good This is like three days into me running this new club. I'm coming in. I'm trying to be all good because the first time I had left 24 hour like I said I left in the blaze of glory

I told everybody to fuck off and all that stuff So I'm coming back. I'm like I want to be good. I don't want no fucking crazy shit happening So this guy three days into me going in there, this dude walks in and he's acting weird. And he's a big dude, he's like 24250 pound guy. He's acting kinda weird. So I'm like, what's going on? So I look at him and I'm trying to have conversation with him

and his eyes are looking kinda glossy. I know who this is. And he's like making weird jokes and kinda moving weird and then he pop up out of the desk and like walk around the gym Like what the fuck is going on? Yeah, so I'm following around and like hey, what's going on? I'm like thinking like something's not right dude. Like something is not is not cool Well, next thing I know the dude takes his shirt off. So now he's shirtless

He's walking through the gym and he's acting crazy then he goes in locker room and he's naked and he's dancing, fucking talking to people. I'm trying to talk to him and I'm like, yo man, you need to put your clothes on. We gotta figure out what's going on and it didn't seem like it was good. A member called the cops because this guy was obviously on drugs, who's on something. Cops show up, pick this guy and it's like three days in, man.

I'm like, really? What do you think he was on? He was on a combination of substances. I think it was like opiates and GHB. He was doing something. But, and he's a big, and he's a big fucking dude. Big dude, and he, you know, cop show up, and there's like four cops back there,

like pulling them out of the club. Super loud personality. You know exactly who this is, because this, this, this went, this echo them out of the club. Super loud personality. You know exactly who this is, because this, this went, this echoed throughout the whole company. And I was like, fuck, three days in, I got this going on. Oh my God.

That's crazy. Yeah, the second scariest thing that happened was, dude was working out, didn't put collars on the bar, was doing an incline press, couldn't rack it, weight slides off one side, the bar flies out of his hand, and it flings and it literally snaps another dude's forearm in half. Oh shit.

No. Like hit his forearm and his arm bent down, so it was like folded and bone was sticking out, and you know the movies when they show blood? Yeah. That's what was happening. With his heartbeat, you could see the blood go. Straight compound fracture and like just, you see the blood when they show blood. Yeah, that's what was happening with his heartbeat. You could see the blood goes straight compound fracture.

And like you see the blood and I'm like, oh, I don't know what to do, dude. So like grab towels. I'm like, get the fucking evidence over here. Oh, god. Oh, shit. I know how to do tell us. Yeah, because you know, if you ever see that was my first time ever. First time I've ever seen a dramatic dude.

Yeah, I've seen that happen once when I was a basketball game. And that totally changed me afterwards? Oh, yeah, did you start to kind of be a little bit afraid of like hurting yourself? Yeah, that can happen. Oh, no. Yeah, for me it was it was actually when I was training this girl and I've always like prided myself in terms of like being safe and and paying attention to signs and cues and You know knowing like what type of intensity was appropriate. Obviously I pushed the boundaries when I was first starting because I thought everybody was on the same level as me, you know, going through athletic training and what not.

And I was, you know, obviously I was way off in the very beginning, but this was more towards the beginning, but I wasn't like super crazy, but I noticed that my client that came in, she was a younger girl, she was probably like 16 or something, and we started training, and I just noticed that her energy levels were a little low, and like she just was kind of staring off in the distance,

and so I went through this like back in the time, I was doing this sort of like really light circuit with her and was doing dumb shit. But you look like you have low energy. We should try to do a circuit. So first move was dumb, right? I should just had her just, you know, that's just stretch the entire time, right? And this do nothing.

But so I noticed that like she was getting a little off balance and whatnot. I was like, you know what we should probably start, let's go get you some water. I'll walk you back and I start walking. I walked and she didn't follow me and I just kept walking and I look back and I just see her like her eyes kind of roll back and then she she fell into the wall and then fell all the way on the ground and like basically like passed out and I was like, ah, like I ran over there and I'm like, called 911, I had the front desk called 911 and then the paramedic show up and all this stuff.

And she comes to me and she's like, oh my God, I'm so embarrassed. Later I find out she tells me she was on diet pills. It was a really hot day. She was dehydrated. Every wrong thing possible was like a factor in this. And but I just, I didn't pick up on it early enough.

And so it just, it totally like showed me like, wow, I have to pay super attention to like like the dilated pupils, like all these types of things that were like dead giveaways. Get on the intercom attention members. Yes, you want a hardcore war. Yeah. Come train with shoes I did.aways. Get on the intercom. Attention, members of guests. You want a hardcore war. Come train with suit.

You see what I did? Yeah. You'll make you die. I'll get you in shape if it kills you. One more story. I just remembered this one. There was this dude that, this one I was at Sunnyvale. And we used to, when you walk in the front desk,

there was a class, like kind of a wall. And you could see into the pool area. And there was this big motherfucker, big old beard, older guy, look like a stereotypical biker, right? Tatted up, kind of like, look like he was in his mid 40s or whatever. And he was just, he was on something and he was talking shit to everybody

and then he goes in the sauna and people are coming down and they're like, there's a guy in there that's threatening to fight people. I'm like, oh, fuck. In the sauna? Yeah, I do, I'm like, I gotta go deal with this shit. Oh my God. So I walked in there and I'm, to this day, man,

I'm so proud of how I handled this. So I go in there and I open the thing, I'm like, sir, can you please come out so I can talk to you? And he's like, fuck you. And I'm like, oh, God, dude, I'm gonna have to fight. I don't wanna fight someone. This is stupid. So I'm like, listen, I need you to come out.

He's like, you come in here. See if you can, whatever. And he's talking shit to me. So I said, okay. And I stroke a to come out. He's like, you come in here, see if you can whatever. And he's talking shit to me. So I said, okay, and I stroke a genius. I said, why don't you step outside and then we'll see who the real tough guy is. He's like, okay, so we walk out the pool. I said, follow me.

So we walk out to the pool area. I walk up to the front door that goes outside. I open the door and I go after you. He goes outside, I close the door and I lock it. Yeah, yeah. Call a concert. Yeah, right away. He's standing outside and he lock it. Yeah, I call cops right here. Yeah, right away. He's standing outside, and he's been looking at,

and they wave at him. And they say cops are on their way. You're gonna need me, you need me. Yeah, no, sick dudes. Yeah, I love it. I'm gonna say, were you at San And Teresa when, they had a shotgun? Yes.

A what? So on Friday, this is a Friday, right? No, I knew you were gonna bring this up. So I wasn't, I actually wasn't there. I came later on and I watched all the footage because it was like late in Friday, like Friday afternoon, like around five or six in the late afternoon or the evening.

And this fucking hillbilly dude is carrying like a double barrel shotgun over his shoulder. And he's walking the complex like all calm. Yeah, all calm, walks in the gym. This walks right in the gym, does a little fucking two-oops around. Yeah. And it's just like scoping the place out, you know,

and looking and dude, and remember Dirk, so this guy that we worked with. I know Dirk, yeah, yeah. So he was at the front, like, he was about to leave, he just finished his shift and like, he walked right next to me, you see him like on camera looking like, oh, and then he like bolts. Yeah.

So I'm outta here. We don't need to see your membership card. Come on in. Yeah. Nothing happened, but I mean, you just don't think something like that's gonna happen, especially here in California. I guess maybe if you're like in Texas or something,

that's probably normal. Yeah, but he was obviously looking for somebody. That's what was scary about it. Oh my God. Yeah, he came in and he was just like, we're looking around. He did a little, and everyone's just like, everyone freezes. Yeah. He walked in and everyone just like stood. What's going to happen? What the fuck?

Yeah, I was working that night. And I was on the floor and I just looked over and I saw, it didn't register even yet. Until I watched that film later. I was like, oh my God. That's crazy. And with that, go to mindpump yet. Like until like we watched that film later. I was like, oh my god, that's crazy. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides.

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