Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1163: When to Avoid Cardio, the Ideal Number of Meals to Maximize Muscle Growth, Barbell Complexes vs Straight Sets & MORE

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether cardio is a waste of time if you’re lifting heavy, the benefits and disadvantages of doing a barbell complex vs. doing straight sets, whether it is necessary to eat multiple times a day to see gains, and if it is awkward when someone asks just one of them to be on their podcast. The foods the guy’s used to eat during their bachelor days. (3:30) Want to lower your blood pressure? Drink your beet juice. (8:15) Is Sal a little too thick? (11:56) Adam provides updates from Week 3 of MAPS Powerlift. (15:35) Sal recommends The Rise of Jordan Peterson on Prime Video. (20:20) Mind Pump’s first take on The Mandalorian on Disney+. (24:00) Disney+ surpasses 10 million subscribers on the first day! (27:00) The future of entertainment is here: Will we see an a la carte app soon?? (28:25) Adam’s shares his ‘interesting’ experiences with DoorDash. (31:47) Has the last driver’s license holder already been born?! The guys speculate on the future of the auto industry. (35:45) The latest plan of attack on The Andrews rat problem. (41:40) It is getting ugly in San Francisco: The new DA pledges not to prosecute public urination, other quality-of-life-crimes. (44:50) #Quah question #1 – Is cardio a waste of time if you’re lifting heavy? Or do you suggest doing some in your workout? (48:00) #Quah question #2 – What are the benefits and disadvantages of doing a barbell complex vs. doing straight sets? (55:21) #Quah question #3 – Do you really need to eat multiple times a day to see gains? I eat two meals and one shake a day to meet my macros. Is that ok? I train 5 to 6 days a week. (1:01:26) #Quah question #4 - Is it awkward when someone asks just one of you to be on their podcast? (1:08:23) People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Tait, A Human Person (@taitfletcher)  Instagram Tom Bilyeu (@tombilyeu)  Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Performance ½ off!! **Code “GREEN50” at checkout** Does beetroot juice lower blood pressure? Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** MAPS Powerlift – Mind Pump Watch The Rise Of Jordan Peterson | Prime Video - Amazon The Mandalorian | Disney+ Originals Disney+ surpasses 10 million subscribers on first day The Morning Show on Apple TV+ Comcast announces $5-per-month Flex streaming platform for cord cutters The Last Driver’s License Holder Has Already Been Born. The Secret of NIMH (1982) - Rotten Tomatoes New San Francisco DA's pledge making homeless crisis worse, says police union chief Cardio Sucks for Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness HIIT – Mind Pump HIIT Workout For Fat Loss with Barbell (15 Minutes) | MIND PUMP MP 1019: Using Barbell Complexes for Building Muscle & Burning Fat, How to Fix an Imbalance Between... The Meal Frequency Myth – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. SALTA Steffanau, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer questions asked by listeners like you, just like you. What they do is they post these questions on our Mind Pump media Instagram page. We pick our favorite ones, and then we answer them. Now, in the first part of this episode, that's the introductory portion.

That's where we talk about current events. We talk about our own workouts, studies that we found, and we have a lot of fun. So here's what we talked about in this episode. We started by talking about our favorite bachelor meals. We talked about when we were younger, and far less, I guess, knowledgeable or wise when it came to nutrition, not a terrible thing we did to our body.

Nothing in the refrigerator. Then I talked about beet juice again, beet juice showed to lower blood pressure. And I talked about organifies red juice which has a lot of similar properties. So if you don't like the taste of beet juice, it is disgusting, not gonna lie. It's dirt.

You could try organifies red juice, which also has Rhodiola. Rhodiola is an adaptogen supplement that can help your body deal with stress and adapt to exercise. And Organify is one of our sponsors. They make 100% vegan supplements, like protein powders, the Red Juice I just talked about. Yeah, vegan.

Talked about and more. If you go to organify.com force-mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Then I talked about my workout, the one that's making me so thick, the thickness. A bunch of seas after that. We talked about Adam's powerlifting routine. He's on maps, powerlift, and it seems like he's getting much

stronger. I talked about the Jordan Peterson documentary that's available on Amazon was really good. We talked about Disney Plus and the Mandalorian launch. Oh yes. Justin literally is losing his mind. It's ridiculous. Adam talked about DoorDash and his experiences with DoorDash.

We talked about the future of cars. Justin mentioned the owl box is gonna to be using to help combat his rap problem. And then I talk about San Francisco's new district attorney looks like they're trying to keep going downward. Then we get the fitness portion of this episode. Here's the first question. This person wants to know if cardio is a waste of time if you're lifting heavy. So what are the benefits or detriment of cardio when you're trying to get stronger and lifting heavy? Next question, what are the benefits and disadvantages of doing barbell complexes? This is when you

do exercise after exercise after exercise versus the traditional straight sets? Third question, do you really need to eat multiple times a day, like five meals a day, in order to see progress? And the final question, is it awkward when some of them, someone just asked one of us to be on their podcast? Short answers no, but you'll get to hear us talk all about it

in the end of the episode. Also, this month, MAPS Performance, this is our athletic-minded workout program. So you'll build muscle, burn body fat, but also work out more like an athlete. So it's more fun, there's more focus on functional exercises, and there are mobility movements. That program is on sale all month long, it's half off. So 50% off, here's how you get the discount, go to mapsgreen.com and use the code green50

g-r-e-n five zero no space for the discount. Chokey walked in with salt. Oh, that's what she walks in. She goes, she goes, you guys need to light a candle with your salt. Oh, no. Oh, it smells just stuffy man meat. Bro, it's just, it's musk. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's male.

It's hot, like, like breath air. Well, it's the caramel meat. It's a complete opposite of our front office because our front office smells beautiful, like sufu. Yeah, it's very, this is how it goes. You know, you get the men's bathroom you get the women's bath. It's completely different environment.

Just to say it's like the, he said it's like those hot dog things at 7-11. Yeah, the rotating hot dogs. Oh, rotating hot dogs that are just there forever. Oh. Yeah, then there's just a hydrating, and you're like, I don't know about this. When it was the last time you guys had like an emergency at 7-11 with the rotating hot dogs that are just there forever. You know, then there's just a hydrating in. You're like, I don't know about this. When it was the last time you guys had like an emergency,

you have to eat something and you ate something like that, like an AM, like an AM-PM hot dog or not. I don't like them. They're sweating. I don't know hot dogs sweat. Why are they sweating? They ate so much. Just constantly sweating.

I'm not in there. I don't know who eats that. I feel for those, like whoever goes in there and buys that. I'm not gonna lie though. As a kid, I ate them. Of course. Yeah, as a kid, I don't want them. You. I feel for those, like whoever goes in there and buys that. I'm not gonna lie though. As a kid I ate them. Of course. Yeah, as a kid I don't want to eat anything as a kid. When I was a kid I ate everything.

Terrible, but I love, I don't eat a whole thing of Pillsbury. You know those big like sausage tubes, like I ate the whole thing of walking through. It's great dough. It's aid the whole thing. And I was fine. Hold on to you. I was probably 29, 29.

29. Oh, like you guys haven't, dude. No, I never. I have never done that, bro. I've never eaten a whole sausage tube, Pillsbury. No. Chocolate chip cookie.

No. Come on, dude. You're all alone on this one. All right, listen. I mean, I want to be with you on this, but I'm just your all alone. There's gotta be some listeners who have my back on this. Hold on, so you you're all alone on this one. All right, listen. I mean, I want to be with you on this, but I'm just your all alone. There's some listeners who have my back on this. Hold on, you went to the store.

Yes. Did you have some money, and that was the thing. That was the stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's like there's no parental, you know, people, like, stopping me. So I'm gonna eat the whole damn thing. So would you open the tube and like pops?

Like the whole thing. It's coming out a little bit. Oh. So you're just a lot of dough. I mean, that's just crushed it on the way up. I just crushed it on the way up. Do you guys remember like the first, like your first either dorm room because Justin, I know you went off

to college with that or your first apartment or house that you got into, Sal, like how you stocked the fridge and the cabinets, like do you remember what you stocked with? Dude, I got, I got shredded. You know why I got so shredded? I ate tuna fish in sandwiches in the occasional bowl of cereal. I just got ripped. I had, yeah in sandwiches in the occasional bowl of cereal.

I just got ripped. I had frozen chicken breasts in like all condiments. Like that was it. Yes, everything I could put on a George Foreman grill. That's true. Every guy's fridge is like that. You'll put it up and it's like this ketchup, relish. Yeah, yeah.

There's no food sauce. There's no food. Yeah, what about you? In beers. Like a nice thing. A lot of, yeah, I had a lot of candy for sure because I had talked about my candy addiction, but I had a lot of frozen burritos, a lot of frozen corn dogs, a lot of hot pockets, bagel bites, top ramen

and canned ravioles. I mean, that was canned ravioles. Yeah, the big one that was like, like 1500 calories, the shift-boiled D ones, you know, and you know how I justify that? It was like 70 grams of protein. Yeah, I know, dude. To eat the whole cake. I feel like I'm gonna start crying right now.

I'll figure it out. You know what happened if I ate a Chef Boyard D anything in front of anyone in my family? Yeah, I get hit. Yeah, what happened? I get hit in the face. Yeah, if I did something. That's what I used to do.

I used to go well. I used to judge food. Now this is when I got, I was still a kid. It was just a little older. So I'm like, late teens. This is when I'm like, oh, protein builds muscle. Therefore, that's the only guiding principle for anything. I remember buying a box of pasta, looking at the box of pasta.

I'm like, dang, it's like 50 grams of protein. This whole box of pasta. I was just eating the whole thing. Eat the whole thing. You know what I mean? I got to get it all. That's when I figured out nuts, that's some protein, like peanuts.

Oh, I used to keep in my drawer, even as a trainer, I kept a big jar of peanuts and it just all day long, and I just took handfuls of it. Because this was back when I couldn't get enough calories in, right? So it was like, this was one of the ways I got calories is I get one of those big jars of peanuts

and just throughout the whole day between clients that throw handfuls in my mouth. Oh, yeah. You guys ever go to hometown buffet? I did for a little bit. Oh, God, it's disgusting. So we used to stack plates, dude, and when we were playing football,

and we'd go on the road, especially if we go to those buffets. And that was like the thing. It was like a competitive thing. Competitive eating. Like you would stack like my roommate, I always tell you guys about how big it was. I mean, he was like almost four in pounds.

You'd stack like 10, 12 plates and it was just disgusting. I used to do, we would do rounds, so we would do sets. So we'd go through the food, then we'd go to the, because they always had the soft serve ice cream, so then we'd eat the ice cream, and then we would all just take a breather. They can't kick you out, you know what I mean? So then we would just chill, like an hour. And then we'd do the, oh, round two, okay.

And then we'd do it again. And it's weird for me, even hated us. I don't even know why I have good issues now. It's really strange. I don't know what could have caused that, the sum of those problems, right? You know, after the one of the last episodes we just did, I've been getting a bunch of DMs.

I don't know why people DM me stuff about something. Does this happen to you guys? You guys get DMs about something that one of us, the other person says, like, Sal will say something and I don't know if that, and they think it's you. I don't know if they think it's me or not. But it's when you talk about that.

Yeah, well, they asked me a question that's like something that you talked about. Like it was, I was getting questions about the beat juice that you were using. Like, oh, what beat juice did Sal say he used? I'm like, I don't fucking know. You know, I listen to beat juice. I listen to it the one time you listen to it,

and I have no idea. Ask him that. Dude, I've been doing it in the morning, and it legit works, and I've been doing more research. Do you know that B. Juice has been clinically proven to significantly lower blood pressure? So forget working out in performance for people who want a lower blood pressure,

it actually, it actually, because it boosts nitric oxide. Now, is some of this information relatively new? Because when I think about all the things that I remember hearing about that were popular in bodybuilding and training and stuff like that, I don't ever remember people talking about beat juice.

It was never really popular. Because it's, yes, it is relatively new that it does, that we know that it really has this effect, but the initial studies were done on endurance athletes. So endurance athletes have been supplementing with like beetroot or beet juice powder for a while now. It's been around for a long time. While meaning like longer than we are trainers or a while like in last decade.

No, yeah, last decade. Okay, so that's what I mean. Like I don't remember early on like anyone ever talking about. No, there was one study that came out that showed how it improved athletic performance endurance and it was a significant improvement. And so then everybody started, you know, all the endurance athletes started taking it. And then the body builders didn't really become privy to it until they started realizing that it raises one of the ways that it improves performance is through its natural oxide boosting

properties. And it boosts, I mean, according to studies, it's the most effective way to, so if you take like a pre-workout or like a endopump, whatever, you know, organine, citrally, beat juice or beat juice powder, like, organifies red juice. That's a lot of that. The reason why it's red is it's got beat juice powder in it, which is actually better because it tastes better.

Here's the drawback to beat juice. Yeah, I can't do it. It's gross, dude. I have to cut it. I have to's the drawback to beat juice. Yeah, I can't do it. It's gross Dude, I have to cut it like dirt. I have to cut it with a lot of water now Is that like pretty much most all their their reduces? Or does it have other other things? It's got other stuff And it's got rodeola in there also so rodeola is a very One of the number one most studied or backed by thought by studies Adaptogenic

Supplements so it helps the body deal stress. It's also an energy producing supplement studied or backed by studies, adaptogenic supplements. So it helps the body deal stress. It's also an energy producing supplement, but it's not a stimulant. So if you're sensitive to caffeine, but you do want energy, a lot of people respond really well to rodeola. Rodeola was heavily used by the Soviets.

The Soviets made a big deal about rodeola for sure. Now, is this common that we see this in the pre workouts that are stimulant free? Is this what typically is in it? Like when you look at just not just or get it, but all brands, is this what's common to see in a natural pre workout without any stimulants? Well, you'll see, because you also have things like

like a quarter-seps. Yeah, you also have things like pomegranate juice, also boost performance, boost pump. There's these really, really red, deep red type of fruits or vegetables seem to have a lot of these properties, being one of the number one ones. Some of them will include them. Some of them don't.

Some of them that are stimulant free will have things like citrulline, beta-align, which also have some will include them. Some of them don't. Some of them that are stimulant free will have things like Citrolean, beta, ally, which also have some stuff supporting them. But I like the natural stuff, you know what I mean? That seems to be the best for me. But I tell you what though, I need to like step back for a second with the whole like bulking thing. I saw your story. That was the saturation point here.

The thickest I've seen you in a while, man. It's a little, I'm a little, yeah. It's going too far. Now I need to reverse that. I bet your girl likes it more. Does your girl like you more like that? She does. Yeah, so does Katrina.

Yeah, Katrina would rather me be like almost. Do you think, now do you think it's reverse like, or do you think they're saying that? Because you know what I mean? They want us to get a little rounder. So that we don't get. We don't get a little bit of that. Yeah, I, I, I try to not be like, to like, no, you know, don't go too far.

Yeah. Well, I think for, I think for my girl, it's, because she's, she's not small. She's 5'8", you know, Katrina walks around lean at 150 if she's even softer, thick at all of 160. So she's not a tiny little girl at all. And so I think, she like, when you give her weight out on air like that. She's in phenomenal shape. She does not mind. She's an incredible shape. I mean, shit, she sometimes she does. Sometimes she dunks lower than I do. I can't believe how low her body. She's one of those people though that she'll dunk at 11 12% body fat and still not see like really defined abs. So she's kind of the opposite. She's an athlete.

You know that that is one of the reasons why men store body fat in their trunk and not on their lower body is because it keeps our limbs free for like hunting or activities. That's why we have all unlimited. And of course women have babies and so the lower body, the body fat

and the lower part of the body fat and the lower part of the body just balances out their center of gravity. But you'll notice this with really, really high performing female athletes, they'll have less of the waist hip ratio type thing. Yeah. It'll be a little bit more straight, and if they store body fat, sometimes it'll be more in the midsection. Yeah, that's her.

That's definitely her. That's interesting, if you think that it has something to do with that, I wonder if the M. She was a D1. Yeah, yeah,, no she's been an athlete her whole life and so and and had older brothers that she were pushing her at a very young age So maybe you know, I mean, that's an interesting. So she likes you heavier too, huh? Yeah, but so my theory on it is that it does make her feel smaller, right? I mean she I mean when you're a girl who walks around at 150 160.60 and 5.8, you probably aren't a big fan of having the boyfriend or husband that's 5.10 and 175 and you guys are close and wait,

right? I think she likes feeling more secure in my arms and me being bigger and bigger. Yeah, just bigger in general, right? That's what it is. What about you, Justin? Yeah, she likes it when I'm bigger. Yeah. Yeah. He said that creepy the amount of.

Bigger. How tall is Courtney? Yeah, so she's about 5'8". So she's pretty tall. Yeah, she's pretty tall. And just because way small, she's like 5'3", right? 5'2", 5'8". Oh, she's even shorter.

Yeah, she's a little fat. But yeah, you're right. Like, she does, like, she's, I mean, she's glad that I'm six foot, but I like, you know, the fact that I can be a little fat. Yeah, she's a little fat. But yeah, you're right. Like, she does, like, she's, I mean, she's glad that I'm six foot, but I like, you know, the fact that I can be a bit bigger. So it doesn't, yeah, I think it shrinks her down a bit though. Well, I haven't been this, because I'm like two 12 maybe right now. I haven't been this heavy or this strong in a very long time.

And what's happening is, I'm, you feel good though, don't you? Well, I injured myself a couple times now because because I'm getting so strong My ability to stabilize isn't catching up So and I'm trying to be careful. I'm still trying to be careful, but I can rip some weight now And I'm like I've noticed that too, but you start it starts creeping back in the aches The pains and things that I'm kind of dealing with to try and you know mobilize and recover like the recoveries become like Way more important. Well, remember I told you I hurt my QL on my left side.

So that a healed up, right? Right side. Boom, pull that one there. Yeah, the other one. Yeah, so I'm on week three, right? I just started week three of Power Lift. And I remember telling, I think you guys asked me after I think the first full round

and I was into the second round last time and I was talking about how I was gonna boost my calories and I was a little bummed about my my chest day. I didn't think that I was progressing. My legs did really with a deadlift day, squat day, definitely progressed there, felt good, didn't I felt I thought I had felt to regret what I was thought I was for sure until I went back and I was tracking because I've been logging all my numbers what I'm hitting rep-wise and what way I'm doing. I didn't realize that the first week that I was working out and I had started with 200 pounds on the bar and I jumped to 221 because I didn't realize

what I had put on there the first time when I went through the program and the second time, the second round I had put on. So you were stronger. So I was, and so because I fell a rapper too shorter than the previous week I was telling you guys on air that I was like, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in my chest workout because I didn't feel stronger,

maybe it was, and I was alluding to, maybe it was my calories, but then when I went back this third time and I'm entering my numbers and then I was going back and I've been videoing a lot of my progress to just to like watch my form and everything like that. So I've been kind of picking apart everything and I looked at the video and I'm like, oh, fuck. I stood on the blue one instead of the yellow one the second time. Like, no wonder it was hard for me to get seven reps out.

We got to get ones that are pounds. Like we're going to get rid of this whole kilogram. I know. Who's the asshole that did that? Yeah, whose idea was it just that was me? And for some, like, you know, it's kind of nice because then you don't really know, like, oh, wow, I'm actually capable of a lot more.

You know, I was like tricking myself. That quickly faded. Yeah, I'm not trying to do math when I work out. Yeah, the fuck, man. I don't know. I was trying to do some brain busters as you know. So, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, trying to do math when I work out. Yeah. The fuck, man. Well, brain busters. Oh, yeah, definitely. Great progress. And I mean, now on week three, you're doing five. So the first week, you're only doing three sets. The second week, you're hitting four sets. The third week, I'm now up to five sets of bench. And I was moving more, more weight for more reps

and then on and more total set. So I was able to increase volume significantly and felt pretty damn good. So I'm really excited to see. And I know this and because of how many times I've ran or gone through a program is, you know, the week four to six area is normally when you really start to see the big gains. So I'm really excited about this next coming week after this week, what I'm gonna feel and see. Yeah, normally I love, so I've been going through

Powerlift as well, and normally I love to have interactions with the kids and Courtney coming down and kind of saying hi and doing their reps and stuff beside me at home. And now it's like at a point where I'm like lifting like significant weight again. And I'm like, oh yeah, I can't stand when anybody's near me, when I'm lifting this kind of weight.

Cause all I'm thinking about is like, hey, don't jump around, you too close. Listen to that. And I'm like, and so yeah, I've been real snappy with it. I'm like, I probably shouldn't do this here anymore. Different mindset, right? Totally different. I was watching Justin was benching here the other day

and I was over by the closet. So it's a decent distance away, but I kind of could see what he was doing. And he hit a rep there that was, it was a little lifty, man. He was like, I had a, and I'm like, do I need to do a struggle? Do I need to run over there?

I had that yesterday and nobody was out of it. The only reason I got it up, I think it was definitely my form went on the last rep because it was like, none of you were here. And I was gonna have to lay the bar back down on my chest. So I got it. There's no easy way to get out of the bench press.

That one is like, oh shit. How many times have you guys had to do that? Oh, maybe, I wouldn't say a handful, time five times. Yeah, and you do, you bring the bar, I got good at it because I should do it all the time. Roll yourself out like dough. Roll it down your stomach, which is fun.

When you're getting strong, it doesn't feel good to know. So it's like foam rolling, but with a metal bar, it gets the hip. And then you gotta sit up with him. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Yeah, the first time I did that was with 135,

was the first time I ever benched with 135, and I was in my backyard. And I remember I did a few reps or two reps or whatever, I got stuck and I'm like, and I'm yelling at my mom, oh, well, you know, she can't hear me because she's in the house. I put it down on my chest, I keep yelling,

she doesn't hear me, I'm like, fuck, I roll it down, but then what ended up happening is when you rolled it down, I rolled it and I like pinched the top of my wing, bro. Oh, yeah, because it was, you know, kind of pointed up a little bit and I'm like, oh, yeah, it's like that bad boy now. Yeah,, it wasn't it wasn't good. This was this explains which why Justin said it looks weird Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was really confused. It's like me show me you got swollen and never went down Dude, have you guys watched the Jordan Peterson documentary? No, no. No, I watched the trailer and was like,

so you actually watched the whole thing? I watched the whole thing, yeah. It's actually, you know what? Not bad. So I was afraid. I mean, we've seen so much of his, we've read his book, did you feel like you got anything new out of it? Well, so here's the thing with it.

I, he has to be one of the most misrepresented people I've ever seen, right? Like, it's crazy that people like hate him the way they do. It's what does it make sense? Yeah, he's painted in a particular way that's completely not accurate. I've seen, you know, hundreds of his videos. I have yet to see anything that would make me think that this person is a, that he's a bad person, that he's, you know, sexist, a racist or all the stuff that they throw at him. But he is a complicated individual. You understand that about him.

He can be very emotional at times. You've seen him on the, on certain podcasts or interviews where he just, you did that with the Bishop Baron interview where he, you know, you cry. He's talked about being depressed. He's got an interesting house. Well, he seems. Have you seen the inside of his house? Oh, no.

The paintings in the room. Oh, and it's he, I saw the preview too. He's got tons of really cool art. Soviet era the paintings. Oh, and it's see the, I saw the preview. He's got tons of really cool art. Soviet era propaganda paintings. Wow. So here's a man that studied, you know, the communism and fascism and just totalitarian regimes. And the reason why he studied them, obviously, he's a, he's a, he studies humans. This is his passion. You want to figure out why humans have done such terrible things to each other, especially in the 20th century.

But then it's strange that in his house, he's got a massive five foot painting of Lenin, you know what I mean? And other paintings, but I think he just, he's just obsessed with his work, but it's very interesting. Well, I mean, Justin has tattoos of like demons and shit on himself, right? That's what you did.

So it's like, maybe he's just... My parents loved that. Yeah. I would just have to put the evil on in front. Yeah. Do you really have a demon on it? Yeah, right here, dude. Really? Yeah, right?

Why would you do that? Because on the back, you have, I mean, it's the whole duality thing. It's good and evil. It's, I acknowledge that both exist. And you know, and it's art. This is the art I was drawn to as a kid when I was sitting in back at church and everything and I'm like looking through these,

it was like don'tays, all those types of things. Like I was just very much drawn to the spiritual end of everything, because to me that was like, okay, if you believe it, like you're believing in these types of things too. And like, what does that even look like? That's a very good point. I just was very much fascinated

with what people didn't want to talk about. That's a very, very good point. Well, this documentary was, I'm gonna be honest, it was pretty in the middle. I think it was a non-biased documentary. It wasn't like a pro propaganda film for Jordan Peterson. It wasn't this anti pro propaganda, you know, film for Jordan Peterson. It wasn't this anti film of Jordan Peterson. It kind of showed who he was.

It showed the who did it complexity. I don't know. I don't know who the person was. Was it was it done by him and his team? No, no, no. Someone did it. Yeah, but it was like I said, you could you could you really kind of understand the complexity of that kind of person, the weight of what he had gone

through or what he's going through. It's very, very, very interesting, very interesting person. I think he's more of a sign of, you know, changing times. Like there's a lot of young men that do like him, but I think it's because there's a lot of young men without dads and don't have that, you know, that direction. And then he's kind of that type of figure, you know. It shows you how different all of us so much are. It's so hilarious that this is what you're watching.

It's like Monday was the game of the year in football with Seattle and Niners, right? Most, I mean, I hated the outcome, but it was amazing. Yeah, one of the best games go down, it'll be talked about for years. Is it Seattle Super Sharks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super Sharks.

That was going on. And then yesterday was the official launch of Disney plus an Apple plus TV and I mean I was so stoked to watch Mandalorian and that was fucking fire. It was epic I signed up man. I was like secretly because it had like some people were kind of trying to compare it to Game of Thrones I think everybody's trying to compare themselves. That's like the new standard of, you know, you're creating a show with all this content. Like, it put a lot of money towards it. And so I was like, like half of me was hoping it was gonna be like,

like they're like hour plus long shows, you know. And so this was a little bit shorter, but man, they did such a great job. But I was like stoked as a, you know, as a super fan, if you will. I went back and was researching all the different ties that they were pulling together, the Easter eggs and everything. So, yeah, dude, I was pumped on how this is where it's set, the environment.

So this is, you said this is after the Clone Wars, but before? No, so this is actually after Return of the Jedi and so after like the the fall of the Empire and so like he's kind of going around and Like I mean, I can't give away like because spoiler some people haven't like watched it yet But like the end they reveal something that's really interesting. Yeah, it makes you kind of wonder makes you wonder Yeah, like what where are they gonna go with it from there? But like, yeah, like Solo, you know, the move I didn't really like it, they brought back.

And so if you haven't seen it yet, you know, you're, I mean, it's tough, dude, I'm gonna talk about this. But they brought back a Darth Maul. And it was just like, what, like why? Like you got cut in half, like what are we doing here? You know, now you're gonna put like little robot legs on him and all this, and like, so? You got cut in half. What are we doing here? Now you're gonna put little robot legs on them and all this. So now they're making this whole underground, basically a criminal ring that he's created

and then infiltrated and became another part of this whole government conspiracy thing that's creating a whole another sub story that they're tying into the Mandalorian. I think it was you know how fascinating was it to see our boy take the first like five minutes opener. He's like the whole opener in the first five minutes. I saw a little bit of that. Yeah, that was great. No idea what

language you speaking, but I was like, oh, this is great. I watched the Rick and Morty. Rick and Morty came out with another season. You guys watched that? You know that song? Yeah, I'm not sure. That check that out. They're now part of the Disney Plus and Apple Plus. So when I have Disney Plus,

is it automatically give me all the Apple Plus stuff on there? Do I have to go on a different account? Yeah, that's it. They're different, right? So Apple Plus is doing a bundle that I, and I don't, Shit, I just signed it for Disney Plus by itself. I'm sure you could probably get it all bundled together

if you wanted to. So they have a deal where it's Disney, I believe HBO and Apple Plus all together for like 12.99, or you can do all the cart for like 6.99 for each one. If you don't make maybe don't want HBO, but you want the two of those. Is there already have HBO? Yeah.

Yeah, so do I. So I got a look into seeing how, I mean, we're talking about a few dollars you save, but you save it. But did you see how many subscribers yesterday? No. You guys didn't see? No, I'm a number.

You want to take a guess? It's first day. Okay, first day. Millions. 10 million. 10? 10 million subscribers. Wow, that must have helped them a lot.

No, hold on, it's like a Disney plus. And what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, what is it, $699? Yeah. Wow. Wow, right out the gates. Yeah.

$60 million, basically $70 million, right? If they stick. If they all stick, right? Yeah, yeah. Because that's the trial period I wanted to write. Right, right. I mean, what would you think? I mean, I think everybody who signed up, signed up to fucking use it, right?

Do you sign up to just, oh, maybe, maybe some people wanted to, but I tell you what, I was, so I went through all of it, right? I even went through Apple Plus, of course I, because I've been talking so much shit about watch what these guys do. And boy, I tell you what, man, they're Apple original series. So I got hooked last night.

I couldn't fucking stop watching the new one with Jennifer Aniston. And- You said her name right, but it's not. Thank you. I like the old way you pronounce it. Yeah, Aniston. Yeah. Aniston, Aniston. And you said her name right. That's it. Thank you. I like the old way you pronounce it. And it stands.

And it stands. And Steve Carell and Reese Witherspoon, they have a show out called The Morning Show. Oh, I saw the commercial. Really good, really, really good. Dude, I'm telling you, this is how TV is going to be. Remember a couple of years ago, you're going to so what Apple, what Apple was trying to do, okay, so I watched a whole video on this. So what Apple's trying to do different than all the rest of them is there. And that's why they, they partnered with Disney, they partnered

with HBO is you don't have to leave their platform. So right now, if you have a favorite show on Hulu, you have a favorite show on Amazon, you have a favorite show on Netflix. You got to switch over. Well Apple Plus is, if you have Apple Plus and Disney and HBO, it all can, is all lives under Apple Plus. So you don't have to go out of that app to go to all these shows. And if you were to search the top your show, it just goes directly to that and you're, and you drive right. So here's what I foresee. I foresee an app that you can get on your TV that'll do that for you. So you'll be able to go to this app,

it'll have access to all of these other apps, and then you'll be able to go through each show. So these are the members of your login and all that. It'll show you. Not like it relates to. Oh, this is on Amazon, but it's also on Netflix or here, and then you'll be able to choose which one you want. That's what I think is gonna happen.

And I'm sure that they're trying to prevent that or whatever, but I have to have an open API to do that. I don't know if all of them do or not. I have no idea what the tech is. But I foresee that happening. But this is the future of entertainment. You're gonna get, it's gonna be all a car. And it's great.

It gives you lots of choices and people say, oh, it's more money, it's not more money. It's more money if you buy everything, but if you really only watch what you pay for, it's actually a lot less money. Are there people still watching like regular cable? Yeah, a lot of people still. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. And I guess so I guess concast. Well, that's where you watch your sports. Isn't that how you watch your sports games? So, I watch it on YouTube TV. No, I stream it. I stream it through Slane. Oh, well now it's done.

So, well, I guess, maybe Doug you can look this up. I believe Comcast, check out the name of this. Comcast is coming up with their own streaming service. So they're putting their name in the hat. They have to. Yeah, Comcast is, and then who else did I read? It's also. Do that out of spite.

See, so what I think is going to happen is, because, and this is why I still Disagree with your all a cart theory is that it's going it's so many people are gonna go all a cart that eventually One of the big dogs were that be netflix or Amazon or Apple are going to scoop up and buy all the small ones and just bring it underneath What happened? Yeah, I. It never happens in markets. For example, has a big serial company bought all the cereals or... Yeah, General Mills.

But they don't own all of them. Well, I mean, they own host. Yeah, post the General Mills. That was a big, you're going the wrong direction. No, no, no, no. You said one, I think you're right that there may be big investment companies, but all these small companies

gonna remain that way. And competition continues to- They'll buy all the ones that matter. HBO, showtime, they'll buy all of them. Yeah, that might happen, but it's not going to monopolize into one, no way. There's going to be just two weeks in a compete. Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe there'll be,

it's not that easy actually, the amount of content and money you have to have to be able to do. Well, what I mean is it's much easier than it ever has been to compete. Like before, you know, if you had a cable, if you paid for cable, cable controlled it, that was it. Now, you have internet access, you can go to all these different people. It's crazy how so many of these models too are not built off of making a lot of money right up front.

Now, you know, like, they're trying to win the friggin' attention. Yeah, like Uber Eads and the DoorDash, like I was like a hell of piss at my DoorDash the other day. Can we fuck up again? Yeah, you know, and I use it a lot, right? You know that your French fries, right? Yeah, I know, dude. I know, you can, you know,

so now companies what they're doing, so like when you order from places, they'll put like a tape seal thing on the back, so that doesn't, so you know if they broke the seal or what are with that. Cause I think that's probably been a complaint. I imagine some guys scratching himself in this cow. But I had this, so we had somebody who didn't speak

very good English and didn't know the area very well and Katrina ordered five guys and we were waiting for it to get, it was like 40 minutes to get to our house and you can see them on the mat. And so I see her like fucking, you know, nine minutes away, oh, 11 minutes away now, oh, six minutes away, oh, now 15 minutes away. Like just forever, ice cold.

But yeah, by the time it gets there, it was completely cold. They pulled up to my house and it was actually like, and I was so heated, right? I was so mad. Hungry? Yeah, hungry. We've been waiting forever. We're trying to, we're getting ready to watch Matt Allorin.

It's like, okay, we're gonna sit down and it's a little hamburger night and what can watch the show, right? We're all excited. Yeah. And so, it's a good night. Yeah. And so we're all prepped and ready to watch the show. And our order takes literally like 45 minutes longer than

what it should to get to us. And I'm like so upset about it. And Katrina's already filed a complaint and getting half our money back and stuff. And I'm telling her, fuck it, let's go already filed a complaint and getting half our money back and stuff. And I'm telling her, fuck it, let's go. She's all over. Yeah, yeah, she's all over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So she gets half our money back right away. And I'm like ready to give the driver a piece of my mind. Like why are you doing this? If you don't fucking know the area and you don't speak English very well, like I'm pissed, right? So pulls up, it's a family. And the person that who I thought didn't speak

very English, there was a 12 year old girl that was talking to Katrina on the app and she gets out to hand the food to me and the dad's driving. Yeah, and there's like a baby in the car seat in the back seat. They're all living the car. Yeah. Oh, they had a nice car. They had a nice car. But it was like, that's such a random thing that you have, you know, dad, 12 year old daughter, and then you have the baby in the back. And you're gonna have a babysitter. I don't know. I don't know, but like, it definitely, I didn't say shit.

Yeah, of course not. Yeah, just I just took my food to thank you. Take, tell your dad, we took your happy meal, a toy. Yeah, tell your dad, you know, I know he's working hard to support you guys, can't afford a babysitter and all that stuff, but he's a jerk, my burger's cold. So I had this reminding me actually of a story I wanted to share with you guys, can't afford a babysitter and all that stuff, but he's a jerk, my burger's cool. So I had this reminding me, actually, of a story I wanted to share with you guys.

That I thought was interesting too, though. And this was another DoorDash story that was being, so I ordered Nick Degrees a few days ago, and I had, which is like one of my favorite places, Doug's laughing at me, he's like, yes, I fucking, I eat out every day, at least once, if not twice. And I have, the dad pulls up and he gets out of the car

and he makes his kid bring the food over to me. Also. Yeah, so he the kid, yeah, but this guy, you could tell what he was, he looked like he was like, his son had been somewhere between the ages of 13 and 16, somewhere in that range. And I think he was probably showing him how easy it

is to probably make money by doing something like this. And I was watching him come up. Now what was interesting was the kid couldn't make eye contact with me and like he was looking the ground when he had me the food and I could see his dad was kind of watching him and the student got in the car. I could tell he was like kind of coaching him before he took off and left. So I thought that was kind of interesting like you know a dad probably showing his son, you know, how, wait, I mean, how cool is this? Cause this didn't exist when we were kids. Like, I had to go mo-lawns and go do door-to-door type stuff.

Totally. To make money. But, man, I guess I probably would have done something like Uber or Door-Dash if I was a. Oh, it's brilliant. Teenage kid who's. No, I don't know. Now, maybe, maybe, cause, you know you know like let's say you have a teenage daughter

What yeah, maybe even a teenage son would you feel safe for them doing that going to random houses and shit? You know I mean you're 60 you're 17 year old kid. Well, I mean going up to a house I mean how dangerous is it how many people have been abducted or killed doing that? Uh-huh, so I mean statistically speaking. It's probably yeah, maybe I'm just being a scaredy-cat Yeah, I think you're being a no scared to get do that just reminds me I read an article or actually kid to work day. I read an uncle that said that The title of it was I think it was in the economist. I think that the last

The the person who's gonna have the last driver's license has already been born in other words They talked about the future and how it's gonna come here pretty soon where lots of trippy thought people are not gonna really they think that that soon automated cars 100% and do in 16 years that we're gonna we're gonna know ones in a drive cars and people need to know and the bottleneck is the loss that's the bottleneck but as soon as we are able to get around that look at people need to realize self-driving cars are gonna fundamentally change society the same way the car change society You're gonna completely change everything everything about about where's it gonna start? Is it mainly gonna be like freeways you think first? I probably

there and also like truck What is it called like truck drivers? Oh, yeah, you know, they're bringing you know freights and stuff like that But it's gonna radically change everything. I was just, you know, I was going for a walk with Jessica and we're walking through looking at houses and thinking to myself like garages. No one, all garages are gonna be converted to rooms. Every single one.

Who's, you're not gonna need to park a car, you know? I wonder if it's gonna be like that. I can't, in 16 years, that's not- Oh, how fast could it be like, you know those old movies where they like whistle for a horse, like, and you know the car comes up. Yeah, maybe. But that's a weird stuff. It's totally gonna be just like that.

It's weird fuck red egg come up. It's a weird tech. Yeah. Whistle me. Yeah, it comes up. Yeah. We like to combine so, New Bird, whistler. What do you think, do you think something like my my my Camaro will go dramatically up in value or will up you think so yeah

It'll become a collector so it's already one right so think of antique. Yeah, so think about it this way When the car was invented how fast did horses get replaced by cars? It was actually relatively fast now it was, if you're living in that area, it seems kind of slow because you see one car. Then you see two. Then it's just cities that just have cars. But if you go into the rural areas, everybody has horses. But then they started all having cars. They got that Naga, the Kentucky Derby. Now you have like these, these like shows where you show off your horse and prancing around. Same with cars. Well, horses back then were probably a lot cheaper. I'm sure buying a horse well, horses back then were probably a lot cheaper.

I'm sure buying a horse now is, you know, probably a lot more expensive than it was back then, especially if you have a really nice horse with a good pedigree or whatever. Cars got to be that way, I would assume. Especially collector cars. Yeah, but what if you can't really drive them on streets anymore because that's where all the self, I mean, would that make it more of a collector or make it more obsolete? Dude, it's going to be weird. I was thinking about this.

I was totally thinking about this. Like what's gonna happen when everything's, most cars are automated, but some of them are driven by human. Are you gonna be shamed to not drive your car? Cause you're the one that's gonna fuck up. I'm sure. You know what I mean? But yeah, you're gonna be the one getting an accident.

And fucking up traffic. Yeah. Do you think it's gonna be more like people driving me like fucking drones? Yeah. Yeah, oh mad. I don't think so. Yeah, these be like that, or do you think it's more like people driving me like, fucking drones. Yeah. Yeah, oh mad. I don't think so. Yeah, maybe initially I think,

but yeah, like, as more people adopt it in the concept, like they're gonna be pissed at people that are driving themselves. It's gonna take over. Think about how much money you spend on a car. Car payment, maybe, or just the cost of the car itself. So if the thing you buy it out, right? The insurance, the gas,

the space to park it, then the drive time to get to places, the traffic, the parking for parking, all that stuff. I imagine if you just pay a fee, car picks you up, drops you off, and that's it. You're really torn on this because, one, I see the value in being very Tom Bill U.S. where he takes an Uber everywhere. I don't even know if Tom has a car.

It takes an Uber everywhere, because you can work, right? And I see a lot of value in that, right? If especially places that I'm looking to live right now might be 20, 30 minutes of commute to get to where we're at right now, and how nice it would be to get into my self-driving car. And I could already start answering emails and working on whatever.

So like that 30 minutes isn't even if it's traffic doesn't matter to me because I'm getting work done. So, man, I see a tremendous amount of value there. Look forward to the future when I think of things like that. But then I'm also the same guy too. I actually like to do you guys know I drive every time we go in. I like to drive. Sometimes there's been times where I'm such a car guy and like driving so much that I will just go

on a beautiful day, go take a drive with the windows down and my music blaring and just kinda take off for a half hour hour. This is my favorite part of going to the beach on those types of weekends is the drive to the beach. You might have to go to special places to do that. You know what I mean? So that part of it I'm not excited about

because it's almost like you lose the freedom. Well, I think it's gonna be such a great, a huge boom to society and the economy. Think about all the people that can't drive, like kids, the elderly, think about the cost savings. Think about the way we organize our cities in parking structures and all that space is gonna be opened up.

Think about the reduction in carbon emissions because a lot of these are probably electric vehicles that will be parked and stored by some company and then when you call on your phone it just drives up to you and drives you away. It's going to be, or you whistle at them, it's going to be, it's going to change society. And in traffic, much of traffic is due to user error or to people driving the cars. When they can all sync with each other, do you know how many cars you can fit on a freeway

that are just gonna move in unison? Yeah, they'll be driving faster. They'll be driving one inch to be from each other, probably, you'll be one inch close to the car in front and you just pack as many cars as possible, but you're all moving 80 miles an hour. You know what I'm saying? And then easily move into the next lane.

It's gonna be really weird, man. It's gonna be, and the cars themselves are also driver centric. So like you look inside of a car, it's designed for the driver. When there is no driver, fuck, man, you get in there to me. A lunch car, like, I'm gonna call a lunch car, I'm hungry, I'm gonna eat on the way home or you know what I mean, whatever. You know? Well, I'm waiting for Roomba to create a robot to kill rats.

That's my next prediction. You still got problems problem, huh? Yeah, I do. And so like going in my backyard and kind of like seeing where like their nests potentially are, like we found this, what looks like like an open runway, you know towards the chicken coop that's like, there's, there's live, I'm serious.

There's literally, it's like packed down. Like there's no like any, any kind of leaves or twigs or anything, like it's all spread out, like completely open runway. And I looked it up and it's like, they actually have like rat runs. Like they create this. So it's like the most like efficient pathway

towards their a feeding ground. Those motherfuckers, dude. So wouldn't you set traps on that or something? And that would not be an idea. Yeah, yeah. So wouldn't you set traps on that or something and that would not be an idea Yeah, yeah, they don't they don't go for traps. They're they're smarter like I've killed so many Yeah, they the next generation is already like you haven't watched the secret of nimm It's an old cartoon to get a watch So I appreciate to like everybody. It's been DMing the all these like natural ways to like handle this.

And I've tried like a lot of these different like homemade traps and all these things. And so one of them is the one that I'm getting into right now is like I'm currently building an owl box. So I've gone with the cat direction, which by the way, the cat did not run away. It actually went to my neighbor's house and made a home in his garage. Oh, and I'm like, you trainer!

Yeah, Garfield. Yeah. Took off on us, dude. Like, that totally didn't pan out. So what's the outbox? So an outbox, so it's like, it's basically a bird box, but yeah, you... Well, no, sure. Right. But you just make it a certain dimension so it could fit in there, and it looks like... They see that as an opportunity to then obviously go and occupy it.

So if you build an owl box, then the theory is that we'll find it and then live there. Yeah, or at least come there occasionally, because it passes through. We've had owls come through before you can hear them. They're savagely fucking predators. What if they're a hello picky? You got to They're savage, like fucking predators. They're my favorite. Yeah. What if they're hell-a-pick, you got to build something like super custom-form.

That would suck. Yeah. He's like, this doesn't have to be a solar. I'm moving along. Yeah, I don't know. And the thing is, like, how high do I have to go? Because dude, I have redwoods. And those things, you can't even like,

if you look straight up, you can't see the top. You know? So, I'm like, I'm not climbing up that shit. I'm gonna have to get somebody to install it, but I'm building one now, so I'll let you know. I mean, are you reading the Al thingos? Are you reading up on like, how you're supposed to do this? Like, is there a theory on how high you go?

How big? No, yeah, I haven't got that far. I just built the actual box. Dude, Al's are awesome. They're my favorite. You know what's gonna be hilarious when he builds it and like the rats burrow up in it. You see her in a it You see a fucking rat

Man, oh, you know it's like backfire Everything's been backfiring on me so far This is like a like a constant drama Look at you, you got a raccoon hanging out in that out box You didn't end up attracting raccoons now Now that could happen because we've had them come through and they've been a problem as well Well do raccoons eat the rats or no? I don't think so They're all. They're all conspiring against us. Dude, did you guys see San Francisco's new district attorney?

What he said? No, just a second. Just to try to Try to contain yourself as I talk about a little bit. What's going on? San Francisco is a funny city. It's, it makes no sense to me. It's becoming bad. Totally okay to be naked and shoot heroin, but you can't like, let's take shits on the streets fine. It's getting bad over there.

So you know what he said? So what he's gonna do now is he's not gonna prosecute prostitution. So prostitution San Francisco will no longer be prosecuted. Wonder what's gonna happen with that. Public urination no longer a crime. Which I think is crazy. I think that's crazy.

Have they never seen back to the future too? Would Biff take over? Yeah, that's exactly what's gonna happen. He's also not gonna, they're not gonna say anything when someone blocks a sidewalk with a tent. So if homeless people are camping on the outside of the... Now are you taking this all out of context, or is this like literally what's that really?

Yep. Wow. That's literally what he said. This is interesting. Yep. Yep. That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard my life. Well, like now, okay, now prostitution fine. If it's a voluntary action between two people, you know, maybe there's some laws about where you're at or whatever, I can get that. I think the best way to handle that would be to legalize it and sanction it somewhere, like the way that they do in Nevada.

Right. Public urination, you gotta get the fuck out. Look, if I'm with my kid, and a grown man takes a piss in front of my kid, they're gonna receive an ass whooping. You're attracting and inviting more bad behavior, and it's just be, it's this beacon now for like, people to just come and do whatever, like,

bad shit they want. What's his justification of it? Because he says he doesn't, are they spending too much money on trying to fight all that? No, what he's literally saying is, because it's costing them money. And if the, what's gonna happen is,

if he really does all this, then it's gonna get much, much worse. And San Francisco's gonna start losing money. People are gonna start leaving businesses. Imagine if you have a business, and there's people camping in front of your business, and you can't, and San Francisco's gonna start losing money. People are gonna start leaving businesses. Imagine if you have a business, and there's people camping in front of your business, and you can't, and the cops are like, sorry, we can't do anything. So what's the tent law you said again, I've got a rough idea.

It used to be where if you were blocking the sidewalk, that you would get cops would come over and say, hey, you need to move or you're gonna get a ticket or whatever. Nobody wants to live next to that. Yeah, nobody. Now they're saying they'll just leave it. And what he's saying is he doesn't want to criminalize poverty, which is a very nice sentiment.

And I get what he's saying, doesn't solve the problem whatsoever. It's not a solution, and what's gonna cause now is a lot more animosity. Yeah, more people migrate there. Yeah, but especially the peeing in public, that's great. That's like you're exposing yourself.

What are you doing? You know? Lawlessness, weird. the pinging in public that's correct that's like you're exposing yourself what are you doing you know lawlessness weird we call apple i have my own today's clause brought to you by max and a ballic if you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength max and a ballic is the perfect place to start with a full 30 day money back guarantee there is absolutely zero risk. So what is your waiting for?

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You know why I picked a question? Because I think people get the impression that we're anti cardio, that you should not do cardio that it's terrible. No, did I just share on the show the other day that I ran? I'll do that ever once, but make sure I could still do it.

It's important, you know? I read you when you ran to the fridge, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Now I get on there and run a couple of miles every now and then, just to make sure that I could still do that every once in a while, make sure I can still do it. It's important, you know? I read it when you ran to the fridge. Yeah, yeah. Now I get on there and run a couple of miles every now and then just to make sure that I can still do that. Well, here's a thing with cardio. We are anti cardio being the answer to everything. A lot of people have overdone cardio, especially when it comes to fat loss.

That's where you get into problems. But can cardio help you get stronger and build more muscle? Sure. If it improves your health, yes. And I actually experienced this. I experienced this in my early 20s help you get stronger and build more muscle. Sure. If it improves your health, yes. Yeah. And I actually experienced this. I experienced this in my early 20s when I was, you know, some of the heaviest I ever was and biggest I ever was.

And I was lifting heavy and all I wanted to do was build muscle and I didn't care about anything else. And I remember my buddy actually made a compelling argument. And he said, you know, your cardiovascular endurance and your health or your lack of, those things are preventing you from building muscle. And he says, you should try doing a little bit of cardio and you'll probably build a little bit more muscle. And so I thought, okay, I'll give this a shot.

And I did, I didn't do a ton. I did like three days a week of elliptic oil or whatever. And I was totally, totally terrible cardiovascular shape. So it took me a few weeks to get used to. And it was like 25, 30 minutes. And I did notice I was totally, totally terrible, cardiovascular shape, so it took me a few weeks to get used to, and it was like 25, 30 minutes, and I didn't notice I got stronger in a lot of the exercise that required a lot of effort, like barbell squats.

Well, yeah, you increase your aerobic capacity, and you do deadlifts, I mean, right now, going through the first phase of power lift, it's eight to 12 reps of deadlifting and squatting, like I can be gassed. Oh, we did. Yeah, definitely winded from that. So just me doing some cardio to increase my aerobic capacity is going to carry over into my ability to get right back into another set. And it not win me or gas me so much. So yeah, there's definitely benefits. So I think that's

it. And you know, it is a good question to, I think, talk about because we have been labeled as team no sweat and we've done videos on YouTube that cardio sucks for fat loss. And I think the message that we're just trying to get across is just that is that it's not, for many, many years, it was promoted as the best way to burn body fat. And it's completely the opposite. It's not the best way.

In fact, it's not nowhere close to the best way to burn by that. At least not long term. Right. Maybe in a short-term window, like, hey, Adam, I got 14 days. I need to burn as much fat as possible. Yeah, running like crazy in those 14 days is going to burn a ton of calories, which then in turn can help burn fat. But it also gets you adapted to that. And to maintain that is going to be really tough for most people. You're far better off building a bunch of muscle which will speed up your metabolism, which makes that losing body fat a lot.

Right, but now if your cardiovascular fitness is really bad, your strength is gonna suffer. If your health is in optimal, your muscle building potential is also gonna suffer. And is cardiovascular capacity, does some of that improve your health? Well, yeah, it does. Health is an optimal. Your muscle building potential is also going to suffer. And is cardiovascular capacity, does some of that improve your health? Well, yeah, it does. Now, you don't need a ton.

You don't need to be a runner or an endurance athlete. But if all you ever do is lift weights, especially if you always lift weights like a strength athlete, like a power lifter, especially if you don't do things like supersets or giant sets or strip sets, which are body building techniques but also tend to train the cardiovascular system a little bit like if you've ever done a lower body superset where you're going from like lunges to barbell squats,

like that's gonna work your cardio. But if you're training really, really heavy all the time and you're doing these long rest periods, you're gonna benefit from having better cardiovascular endurance. And I mean, you're going to benefit in terms of your gains, your strength and muscle building. I also just don't like to lose abilities. If I've been neglecting it too long and I know, I'm not involved in highly competitive

sports anymore, but even just daily activities or playing with my kids or coaching or doing anything like, I'm still moving. I don't want to be the guy out there just completely gasped because I haven't even given it any attention. It's definitely something that I make sure that I have that as something I intermittently will throw in because it's very important to me that I maintain certain abilities as I age. Should years ago, I let my cardio get so bad.

I was in a competition with one of my top trainers and my fitness manager. This was back when I was running Sanatrice. And the competition was to see who could put on the most, gain the most size. And we were all young dudes in meat heads, and so we would lift weights together, and then we would just eat,

and we would eat anything to get as many calories as possible. And this is when I got my body weight over a little over 240 pounds, and I'm a six foot tall guy. I don't have a massive frame. I weigh two 12 right now, so it's another 30 pounds on my body. Much of it not muscle because we were just packing the food back. And that was this really, really big, heavy dude.

And I remember at the end of the competition, we all tallied who gained the most weight and whatever. And the joke was at the end of it that we were all going to get on a stationary bike. Because we're like, at the end of this, we all need to do a little bit of cardio, just to see what happens. So we all get on a stationary bike, the three of us. And we're all like, bro, 10 minutes into it. I was, we were gassed.

We were bring from a stationary bike. Of course. My friend desk was talking so much shit. They were making announcements about the three gorillas on the, on the cardio. Everybody come, come, come to the zoo, come look at the three gorillas. But we were dying. 10 minutes. It was terrible. I have a similar story. I, uh, I to the zoo, come look at the three gorillas. But we were dying, 10 minutes, it was terrible. I had a similar story. I was the same thing.

This was the biggest bulk I'd ever been on. I was weighing first thing in the morning at 2.35, throughout the day, I was definitely pushing 240. And this was also the same time that I was just getting into starting up boot camps. And my boot camps were predominantly like, people above the age of 50 right so most of advanced age clients for the most part most of them pretty deconditioned every once

of all had one or two athletic people but for the most part people most people were really everyday people yeah and even more advanced age and overweight right so they weren't they're not moving fast as we're going with this and, part of the, I would do this, dynamic warm up with them and then we'd run one lap around the track is what I'd have them do. And they were all kind of razzling me about how big and big I was getting stuff with them. Like, oh, you gotta run with us.

And of course, I'm not gonna like, you know, I act like I can't do a single lap with my clients, but I do the old, oh, my knee hurts. Right, right, but I hadn't done anything at this point in a long time because in order for me to push that kind of weight, I had to like, I tried not to move. Like I was like intentionally not moving as much as I could throughout the day

so I could pack the calories on because it was so hard for me to push my weight that high. That's how aggressively I was bulking and I'll never forget that lap. And I remember inside being like, oh my God, I have to pretend like this isn't killing me right now. My shins were on fire.

I was like gasping him like jogging in front of all of them. It's like a light jog, one time around. And I remember that was like, oh yeah, like never again, well, I'd be this bad dude, it was so bad. Next question is from Jean's woo. What are the benefits and disadvantages of doing a barbell complex versus doing straight sets? So a barbell complex, like a circuit?

Yeah, like they're using the example of like deadlift for five reps, row for five reps, clean for five reps, press for five reps. I don't necessarily like the combination of exercises. I definitely don't know if I like would put a row with a deadlift right away. But I get the idea, right? It's doing five exercises back to back.

You could call it a circuit, lower reps. They tend to call it a complex, but it's really exercises back to back. Now what are the advantages? The advantages are, you can't call I can think of. Well, and you burn a lot of calories in a short period of time, right? So if you do a 30 minute resistance training, hit type workout or circuit type workout, you know, maps hit is like this,

for example, maps hit. These are these are complexes that are 20 minutes long. And you just burn a lot of calories in a short period of time. So for short term fat loss, it can be very, very effective. Now for long term muscle building, not as effective. Straight sets are, straight sets are your bread and butter. You know what I mean? That's your like, this is what I usually do. And there's a variety, you know, versions of straight sets. I mean, I'm not a fan of it at all.

And I know that it does model our, our hip program. But even our hip program is the only program that comes with a warning. And we warn people not to get stuck in training this way forever. It's just not ideal for somebody who wants to interrupt her. Yeah, it's a great interrupt, exactly. It's a great interruptor.

This is a great thing to do. This is an example of something that I would do in that one off time that I have only 20 or 30 minutes. And I want to get a really good workout. You'll get a good workout from that. But the benefits of doing all those movements that this person has listed as straight sets, oh my God, far more beneficial.

Totally. You're getting so much more out of those, those are such great exercises stand alone that after you deadlift five times and row five times, by the time you get to clean, you're probably maybe cleaning 50% of the weight that you potentially could do five by five if they were straight sets. And really it's about energy systems of the body that you're probably maybe cleaning 50% of the weight that you potentially could do five by five if they were straight sets. It relates about energy systems of the body that you're training because I've had people ask me why rest, like what's the

I'm still lifting weights. Well, the energy systems that you use predominantly when you're working out or what drive or part of what drive the adaptation. So when you do a straight set, you're working with the ATP system. You're not dipping into, you know, glycolysis or glycogen too much like you would when you do a straight set, you're working with the ATP system. You're not dipping into glycolysis or glycogen too much like you would when you're doing these. Now, what does that mean for the average person listening? Who's like, what the fuck does that mean? Okay. One of them leads to strength and muscle building adaptation. The other one is more of an endurance building adaptation.

And endurance doesn't require a lot of strength. And in fact, if you push endurance too long, your body actually becomes more efficient with calories, aka, metabolism may actually start to slow down a little bit. This is why if you do lots of, all you ever do is cardio or all you ever do are circuits, you'll burn a lot of calories while doing the workout, but your metabolism actually slows down for the rest of the day or the days that you don't work out. But in for short periods of time, they could be phenomenal fat burning workouts.

Like, let's say you're normally consistent with your workouts, you've been working out for a long time, and you're like, oh, I got five weeks until Mexico. I'm going to go to Mexico and I want to look really good in five weeks. Well, throwing in quite a bit of these type of workouts in that five week period with a good diet, you're gonna get cut much faster. You're gonna burn more body fat, much faster. I used to do these like, barbell complexes,

but I mean, never more than two weeks, like max. Like I would throw them in as their own emphasis is my kind of version of cardiovascular, but higher intensity cardio. And really, I was trying to mimic it to apply, yeah, I just love CrossFit, and I wanted to do anything close to it as possible. This is before CrossFit,

but it was really just to get these quick bursts, these powerful bursts, and try and withstand, like being able to elongate that a bit so I could still mimic what time length I was applying towards the field. So, if I was in a play, I'm going to be in a play for 10, know, 10, 15, 20, second, you know, bouts of high-intensity. Like a musical play? Yeah, like a musical play.

Like a wicket. Yeah. One of my favorite ones. We would dance and really intensely. Football. Football, dude. Oh, that kind of play. Yeah, football play.

Yeah, so I see benefit for that. Like if you're, you know, in that type of a sport where, you know, you are doing totally high intense bouts, but you're trying to extend your endurance within. Totally performance, performance would be another one. Now, here's the thing, and I've always told this to athletes, the best performance gains you're gonna get that are specific to your sport or done practicing your sport. Now here's the problem with a gate with football.

Justin can't just go practice a bunch of plays, you know, in order to get his conditioning up because he has to rely on other players. So everybody has to meet at the same time. And at some point it's gonna beat you up too much. So how is he gonna train that type of performance endurance to stamina, but also not tackle and beat his body up because he's already practiced X amount of time this week? Well, this would be a good strategy. Now, that being said, there's a lot of sports, well, that's not the case. There's a lot of people who are like runners and rowers

who are like, oh, I'm gonna do a lot of weights to improve my stamina. And I'm gonna do my weights in a way that improves endurance. Like, no, no, no, make yourself strong with the weights. Just run more. If you can run more, just run more. That would be the best way to do it.

But end of your workout or before. Yeah. But when it comes to something like football, it makes perfect sense. It's like, there's only so many times you could do a, you know, plays where you're tackling each other before your body just starts to just get beat up. But maybe you have the capacity to do the workout, then do that. Next question is from T got soul. just starts to just get beat up, but maybe you have the capacity to do the workout, then do that. Next question is from T got soul.

Do you really need to eat multiple times a day to see gains? I eat two big meals and one shake a day to meet my macros. Is that okay? I train five to six days a week. Yeah, this, so years ago, this was never a thing. People ate two or three times a day, it was just part of culture. Typically, it was to break the day up, type of deal. So you took a break at lunch, and that's what you have that. And then dinner was with your family. Breakfast was some cultures they didn't have any breakfast. And other cultures, they had some. And that was pretty much

it for a long time. Then you had strength athletes who started to figure out that the more they ate, the stronger they would get, the more muscle they would build. Well, some of these guys were consuming, you know, four or five, six thousand calories a day. That gets difficult to do with two or three meals. You know, a few three meals and you're eating six thousand calories. Those are two thousand calorie meals each time. It's a huge meal. It is, and that's going to bog you down, and it just doesn't make sense.

So what they would do is it would start to split these meals up, and they found that it was easier to digest. It was easier on their bodies. And so rather than having, you know, 3,000 calorie meals, maybe they had 6,000 calorie meals or 700 calorie meals or whatever. But then, you know, as it started happening, they would talk about it and people said, oh, you know, that's the way that guy eats. So that's the way I need to eat as well to make gains. Supplement companies got ahold of this and thought what a brilliant way to sell protein powder

and meal replacement shakes. Because the average person is gonna hear the message that I need to eat five times a day, but the average person is gonna make five meals. So they're gonna, what they're gonna do is eat their normal two or three meals, throw in some shakes or some whatever. And it became this whole thing about like eating small meals, burns more calories, builds more muscle.

You need protein all day long, or your muscles start to deteriorate, or it speeds up your metabolism because of the thermic effect and all this stuff. Total complete bullshit. At the end of the day, it's personal preference. Do you think that there's some somewhat though of gotta be kind of a sweet spot though for each individual? Like, and why I'm saying this is the digestive system is probably like every other system of the body and you could probably overdo it just like anything else.

It's just like we could overtax our muscular system by training too hard, or our CNS, right? So if that's the case, like, you know, if somebody who has like, let's say, you know, a 2500 calorie maintenance, like that's what they need to eat. And so that divided up over two big meals in a shake, probably not that big of a deal, 900 to 1000 calories. It's not probably putting a ton of stress in the digestive system,

but what do you think about someone who's trying to fit 5,000 or 4,000 calories in two or three meals and consuming 2,000 calories, especially if you're eating 2,000 calories of good calories, that's a lot of probably volume as far as food on the digestive system all at once. I would think especially if you have habits of doing that and then sitting down at a desk or not getting up and moving around, something, I mean, I just feel like common sense says that also would not be the most ideal way to eat too.

Even if, and here's the thing, I know already, because I've read the studies, that what I'm saying is not supported. Because they'll measure things like building muscle. If you hit your macros, whether you hit it in one meal or six meals, the science shows that it doesn't make a difference. But then I wonder about how healthy or how ideal is that for my digestive system, if I'm stressing it with so much food in such a short period of time

and would it be better like training, smaller doses more frequently as far as on the stress level. And is there do you think there is a sweet spot for each individual? Yeah, so this, yes, both extremes are not good. So eating too much at once, we've all done that. That's obviously not good. So eating too much at once, we've all done that. That's obviously not good. Eating too frequently has also been shown to increase inflammation in the body and cause

digestive issues, especially in people who already have gut issues. So I'm like this. So when I'm having gut issues, eating less frequently way better than eating more frequently, more frequently really messes me up. But there's a limit, right? Like sure, eating less frequently might be better for my gut, but what if I do it so infrequently that I'm eating you know, 5,000 calories in a meal or whatever? Well then that can definitely cause a problem. Now evolution, you know, evolutionarily speaking, humans probably ate food when it was around,

which meant we probably ate a little bit here and there by finding it, so there's its edible plant, there's this whatever, but not much. But then when we did kill something, we probably ate a lot of it. We didn't have refrigerators and stuff like that. So we probably ate until we were full. And then we ate again when we were full. And then the meat was gone.

And now we probably went for long periods without food. This is why fasting shows that it's got some health benefits. But as far as the, the, what we were sold for so long and this to me was the biggest like shocking paradigm shattering moment for me in all of my fitness career. This was one of the first dominoes that fell. And the reason why I call it a dominoes, because when I realized that this was false, you know, the myth that you have to eat small meals throughout the day, because it speeds up your metabolism, your muscles have to have protein all day long, otherwise they'll start to cannibalize themselves. I believe that wholeheartedly for a long time. We were told that by courses that we took, we were told that by obviously supplementary. Oh, yeah, my magazine, I always had protein bars in my pocket.

So I was so afraid. Every two hours. Muscle would fall out of my pocket. Really gas station, just to get a bar. Exactly. And I was so bought into this and I sold it so much to clients. You know, I used to tell clients, there's only one athlete that eats once a day,

you know, the sumo wrestler and look off out there. I used to have these like great presentations, selling this to people for so I bought into it. When I finally started to look into the science which was years later, I started to think myself, this doesn't sound right, are these guys full of shit? Then I started experimenting with my own diet and realized it was complete bullshit.

It was the first domino, because once that one fell, then I started to question all the, what I thought were truths in the stuff that I did, and I started to realize that a lot of them weren't true. And at the end of the day, it just boils down to this. It's personal preference, you know? It's like, what works great for you, and that's it, at the end of the day,

it's like food quality, calories and macros kind of make the most sense, and don't eat too close to bedtime, and there's really not much of a problem. I think figuring that out like your your own digestive needs like what works best for you that's not going to impede on your sleep that's not going to impede on your training and like detract you from energy and throughout the day. That's all the kind of shit you got to figure out and then whatever structure works best for that is what you apply. Next question is from Xavier San.

Five is it awkward when someone asks just one of you to be on their podcast? That's the thing. You picked this. No, no, no, that's actually the only way we do it. We won't do a virtual podcast with all three of us because it's, well, one, it's we've tried. Well, it's a couple things.

One, we've instructed Brianna and Ann, whoever you're, whoever they're communicating with when they're trying to get one of us on the show is that it's just, it's easier because we're all doing different projects. And when we're not, we're podcasting together than the rest of the day, we're off doing different things related to Mind Pump and so, to get all three of us together to do a podcast really kills us business-wise when we're all trying to do other things. So we wouldn't do that anyways altogether. Not to mention, like what Justin was saying,

is it sounds terrible when we do a virtual with all three of us. There's a lot of talking over and it doesn't sound good. It's too much lag. And besides that, the reason why I picked this question was because I you know, I have never worked with a team that works or worked with partners that work so cohesively with each other and trust each other and, you know, are able to do work with their strengths

and allow the other guys or team members to work with their strengths. And so it's never awkward. It's never awkward. If there's ever a situation where one of us is obviously the person that should be doing it, not only do they do it, all of us are happy that they're doing it, and the person doing it is proud that they have the opportunity to do something for their team. And this, to me, is one of the reasons why I think this is what makes a team successful. Because when it starts to feel awkward, I think that's when you start to have egos and

who's, and what's happening. What's happening. Which is absolutely ridiculous. There's so much stuff that happens behind the scenes too that people don't realize where, you know, if you may see one of us on podcasts, that doesn't mean one of us is doing, there's so much stuff that happens here and it's handled independently by each of us and typically around all of our strengths. And I mean, if I get the opportunity to be on a podcast by myself, I feel so proud to

be able to do something for my team. Like I get to do this to pay these guys back for the shit that they do that I don't contribute to. I think this is the only attitude you can have for long term, in my opinion, success with a team. Otherwise, it can be a little weird. Yeah. I think too.

Sometimes it's refreshing for me to do that. Not that I don't. I love doing this all of us together, but it's different being interviewed by yourself than it is with the dynamic of the three of us. There's something about the three of us together that that's what makes the show mind pump what it is. And then there's something to be said

about interviewing each one of us individually. You get just something totally different. So it's also a nice change of pace. So it's a nice change of pace. It's good practice for each of us. And it's the way we have it structured and set up. So if someone wouldn't even have the option. So there's a lot of people. So I'm sure this person's saying that's asking this because, you know, they probably see us on our stories always sharing like, oh, this is an interview and it's, oh, it's just me or they see, oh, just sell or just Justin. It's like, no, we set it up that way. So sometimes

people ask, they would like to interview all of us. And, in fact, most people reach out and ask for that. And, you know, the way we have told our team is just like, it's too tough to try and coordinate all three of us to sit down on our, and our goal was to try and if someone wants us to be on the show, we try our best to get on it. Every as many as we possibly can and do that. So it's a lot easier for us to divide and conquer than it is for us to try and coordinate. Yeah, no, that's a good point too. None of us were media guys when we started this.

We had no experience with media. So practice for us is a great opportunity. So I never turn down podcasts. I don't care how small they are. As long as I can fit it in the schedule, right? I'll get on it because it's more practice. It's more practice. It's more practice.

And I feel like that's really the only way that we're ever going to be competitive with professional media experts. You know, who are here's a deal with fitness like, you know, we have the advantage because we know fitness very, very well. But when it comes to media, you know, who are here's a deal with fitness like, you know, we have the advantage because we know fitness very, very well. But when it comes to media, you know, there's media experts out there that, you know, I like a guy like Max Lugovier, dude, super smart, great guy, he's a lot of experience on camera. When I watch him on camera, I'm just like, oh, this guy is so polished. Yeah, and it's, I can't compete with him. The only way I'll ever get that good or have an opportunity to practice,

practice, practice, practice as much as possible. So it's a great opportunity. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com and download some of our free content. We've got a bunch of free books and guides on there that you can check out. You can also find all of us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin.

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