Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1166: Using Body Weight Training to Build Muscle & Strength, Hidden Barriers that Make Fat Loss Difficult, Cutting & Bulking for Beginners & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, they post the question under the quah meme. In our comments section. We pick the best ones and then we answer them. And the way we open this episode is with fun conversation. We talk about current events, fun, fun, fun, studies, and our lives. So here's what we talked about in this episode. We open it up by talking about Adam's injury.

Starting point is 00:00:42 Damn it. This guy's always hurting himself all the time. Is it because he's too strong or is it because he's old? Then we talked about the show Mandalorian on Disney Plus. We're all loving it. I talked about my daughter's 10th birthday, holy cow they grow fast. That will dig it.

Starting point is 00:01:01 Yep, it's getting scary. I talked about heavy metal, not the music. Yeah. But heavy metal toxicity. It's kind of hard to test for that. You're so fast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no your vitamin D levels, for example, men and women's tests, and they also have a heavy metal toxicity test. Now, right now, you can get 25% off all of their tests. Now through December 31st, here's what you do. Go to EverlyWell.com and use the code Mind Pump. Then we talked about blue light and its effect on melatonin and the anti-cancer effects of Melatonin. Believe it or not, low melatonin levels has been tied to increased rates of

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Starting point is 00:02:54 I need a lot. It's itself. Justin's always asking to be touched. Not enough. Then we talked about ultra-processed food and its ties to obesity and chronic disease. We talked about CrossFit's new direction. Sounds like a boy band. A boy band.

Starting point is 00:03:09 A boy band. A boy band. And how Google now acquired FitFit so they can watch everything you're doing. Ooh, big brother. Then we answered the questions. Here was the first question. What is the significance of body weight training

Starting point is 00:03:21 when you can just lift weights with lighter weight and do higher reps anyway? Like why do body weight training, when you can just lift weights with lighter weight and do higher reps anyway, like why do body weight training at all? We give you the reasons. Next question, should someone who's a beginner focus on building or cutting first? How do you know which one you should do first? So we break that down for you. Next question, what's the deal with these days?

Starting point is 00:03:42 Why is it so hard for people to lose body fat in this day and age? So we talk all about modern life and why it promotes squishingness. That's the word for the deal, though, that's that obesity. And the final question, how do you know when you should become a personal trainer? Like what makes you fit to become a trainer? So we break that all down. Also, this month we have our own big promotion, probably the biggest promotion you'll ever see.

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Starting point is 00:05:14 at minepubmedia.com, said your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right now to you. Two dates. Dude, I watched this little documentary on Disney Plus because they have Nat Geo. I know. I'm sold.

Starting point is 00:05:29 A little cute one. It was about dogs and how we've bred them, you know? And I was just laughing because they show, think the original dogs were like wolves, you know what I mean? And I think to myself, like how many dogs now, like if you left them in the wild, but they be fucked. Yeah. I mean, I thought, what is it? I thought of Adam the wild, but they'd be fucked. Yeah. I mean, I thought, what is it?

Starting point is 00:05:46 Chihuahua. I thought of Adam's dog, you know? Yeah, my dog's. Did they bang a rat? Yeah, it was. Somewhere, you know, in the line. No, they just bred him to be cute. And I was thinking about Adam's loud ass,

Starting point is 00:05:56 Nordy dogs, like this poor guy, so they would have sneaked up on any prey. No, they would not actually. Yeah. Their best, their best hope would have intimidated another dog that went out and got something. That's what they're,

Starting point is 00:06:08 they're from the family. Yeah, and even then, if they had to chase the other dog down there fucked, I just hope it. A lot of these dogs are screwed. Yeah. Why are you moving funny today, buddy? Why are you wrapping your leg with a bunch of stuff? Come and get a god.

Starting point is 00:06:21 I'm gonna hit you in your step. Man, I'm so bummed about this right now. So the irony of it was I text you guys last night at like I don't know I think it was around five or so Yeah, there's always a lesson these things It was like it like five o'clock or so I sent a message as I just finished up my five sets of squatting for legs and maps powerlif And I'm I'm super pumped, right? I'm in chucks, you got no belt. Squat is deep and 261 is like moving like butter

Starting point is 00:06:53 for eight to 10 reps. And just... And your text was like, fucking, you did a little devil face, like squatting at the champion. Yeah, this feeling something. Yeah, feeling so good, right? Some of the best I've ever felt.

Starting point is 00:07:05 I mean, so I'm really excited about the program and watching the progression right now. And I get to the part of the program where we're walking lunges are at. And at this point, I mean, I'm already got a nice leg pump and I'm not doing super heavy weight. This is the same weight that I've been doing every week. I just hold up 50 pound dumbbells, so I get a hundred pounds, right? I'm doing doing super heavyweight. This is the same weight that I've been doing every week. I just hold up 50 pound dumbbells,

Starting point is 00:07:26 so I get a hundred pounds, right? I'm doing walking lunges, which is not super crazy heavy. I'm not struggling to do it. And I'm on my second set and I go down and I hear as I'm coming up out of the lunge, something pops and I feel pain in my quad and drop the dumbbells, fall the ground. Oh, yeah, I do one of those.

Starting point is 00:07:48 Teaser time. Oh, yeah. It could treat her like whipped her head around. Are you okay? And I'm like, and I'm laying on the ground, roll over like once or twice, grabbing my thigh. And I'm like, oh, fuck. And she's like, is, are you okay, are you okay?

Starting point is 00:08:01 I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be fine. I think I just strained something and didn't feel like, I don't think I tore anything. Although today, it feels like I got fucking ran over by a truck. There's no discoloration. No, not exactly.

Starting point is 00:08:12 So I'm okay. Was your kid in the room? He was. Oh man. I know he saw that. He saw Dad's screen. I hopped up and pretended like it was nothing that real quick.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Oh, I'm fine. Nipers in here. Yeah, yeah. Dad's fine. Oh, dude'm fine. Nipers in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dead's fine, dead's fine. Dude, age. You know, this happened to me a couple times before, and it's a really weird feeling.

Starting point is 00:08:34 I get it in my left, only in my left quad. And I remember after the first couple of times that happened to me, and this was probably like four or five years ago, it was when I was training to get into competing. So I wasn't even competing yet. And one of the things that I thought it could be from is dehydration, I wasn't drinking enough water. And so after I made a point to make sure

Starting point is 00:09:00 that before every lift, I had at least a half a gallon of water in me before, especially when I was squatting and training, it never happened again to me. Because it had repeated a couple times and at that time I wasn't tracking my water, I wasn't doing anything like that. I began to really push my water and take up and then I never had a problem again. And the irony is my birthday was this weekend and I ate like an asshole. And you know, at pizza and dessert and all kinds of shit, just probably butt loads more sodium than what I'm used

Starting point is 00:09:35 to taking in over the through the weekend. Later out in the morning time, didn't really drink much water, maybe had a glass or so. And it wasn't even thinking about this, and then I did, it was training legs. And so I'm assuming that it has something related to that again. Was it the trail leg or the front leg that popped?

Starting point is 00:09:55 That's a good question, one that happened. Let me think here. If it wasn't, I don't know, it wasn't the trail leg. It was the front leg. Oh. Interesting. It's in the middle of your thigh. Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:10:04 It's happening before. It's happening, like you said,. Yeah, wow. It's happening before. It's happening, like you said, hip flexor. Does it hurt to flex at the hip right now? Yeah, it does. It does hurt, like it could be a hip flexor. I don't think it's, I don't think it's my rectus from aros. I definitely think it's a smaller, deeper muscle. And again, I think I just strained it.

Starting point is 00:10:23 It's not torn. I don't have any major bruising. I go walk. I hate injuries like that, man. Because they're so boring. You know what I mean? It's not a good story. It's not.

Starting point is 00:10:31 You know what I'm saying? I was using appropriate weight and lunging. Oh, well that makes you feel tough. You didn't like chainsaw part of your leg. Yeah, it's not like, it's not that cool. Oh, I hit a PR and they hurt my leg. You're kind of happy about that. No, that's just it.

Starting point is 00:10:43 And it was towards the end of the workout. I had plenty of rest. All I could point to is the water thing because I had these same issues before. When I knew I wasn't drinking enough water and when I started a track and started carrying my water. It makes a difference. I've experienced that before.

Starting point is 00:11:00 I've experienced the stiffness that you get from being dehydrated and I've also tied it to muscle pulls where I feel like I pull muscles easier because I'm a little bit, or not optimally hydrated. You know what I'm saying? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. What I can't remember because I know it's happened a few times, I can't remember how long it takes me to recover from it. It doesn't feel like it's going gonna be more than a week or two So I hope it's not like a it's gonna. I hope it doesn't set me because I'm seeing great progress right now

Starting point is 00:11:30 It just would fucking piss me off right now to get this right in the middle of this program right now You ever hurt yourself so bad that you lay on the floor for like a couple hours Never happening before not a lot of hours happen to me. Oh really? Yeah dude, years ago I was reading, you know, I like to read old articles, I like to read all articles around strength training, but for a second there, I got really into old school strength training and an exercise that the old timers really valued

Starting point is 00:11:59 was a pullover, dumbbell or barbell pullover. That was like a big movement and they would actually brag about how much weight they could lift with the pullover, dumbbell or barbell pullover. It was like a big movement. And they would actually brag about how much weight they could lift with the pullover. And one of the variations of a pullover was called a cross bench pullover. So you got the bench, you lay across the bench, so that your upper back is on the bench

Starting point is 00:12:17 and maybe a little bit of your head and neck. And then when you lower the dumbbell back, you kind of drop your hips a little bit and breathe in and expand your ribcage. So Arnold used to say, and expand your ribcage. So Arnold used to say, this is a ribcage expander and that's not really what's happening, but it does give you this insane, thoracic kind of stretch as the dumbbell lowers in your hipstrop.

Starting point is 00:12:36 Plus I was reading again the articles about how strong they were. So I was, hold was, I was in my 20s. And I'm like, oh cool, it's how strong I am. So I used 150 pound dumbbells. Ooh, that's pretty serious. Wait, then. And how old were you? I was late 20s, maybe 20 or 20 or 20.

Starting point is 00:12:52 You did, okay. And I was able to do six reps on the first set and then drop the dumbbell and I was all proud of myself. Second set, I'm by myself, by the way. So I'm in my personal or training studio. No one's in there. I used to play loud death metal, locked the doors. It was just me. I lower the dumbbell and I feel right in my like mid upper back and I went, like I couldn't breathe. And I dropped the dumbbell and I just

Starting point is 00:13:21 and I kind of rolled over and laid on the floor. So, yeah, as if only first and only time I ever got scared because I laid on the floor in their fetal position. And I laid there and took me 30 minutes to finally be able to catch my breath. I'm like, wow. So I laid there and it took me two hours. Finally was able to barely get up and I called my chiropractor buddy and he said,

Starting point is 00:13:45 yeah, we're gonna try and pop your rib back into place or whatever. And so I went and saw him and he popped me back in. And again, lost my breath and then it got better. And it took me like a couple of weeks. But that was the only time I've ever been on the floor and thought to myself, someone's gonna find me on the floor here.

Starting point is 00:14:01 It's okay. Cause that's the only way I'm gonna. Yeah, I was laying there for a minute. That's quite that long. And Katrina was constantly, I was trying to be tough. Like, no, I'm fine. It's gonna be okay. Cause you're something.

Starting point is 00:14:12 Yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay. Daddy's fine. But inside I'm not, I mean, honestly, I'm like afraid to stand up and put weight on it. I'm like, oh God, please. Yeah, I think when I was playing in a game, I was in St. Louis and it was like 100% humidity

Starting point is 00:14:25 on top of being like 90 degrees out. And so I was already like sweat like 10 pounds before I even got to the field. And so I was like seeing things. Like I was like so dehydrated and I was like drinking and everything, but I was like so beyond dehydrated before I even got there. I started like running full speed, you know, on kickoff

Starting point is 00:14:43 and then I had my first hit and it just like run my bell. And then I kept trying to play. And then in the huddle of a sudden, I started to just get lightheaded dizzy and then I kind of fell and passed out. And then they were like trying to revive me and ask me these questions. And I was just like completely out of it.

Starting point is 00:14:58 Had to sit out the whole rest of the game. But just was on the sidelines, just like completely confused. That sucked. Those are shitty feelings. You know what I mean? But it's the only time. The crappy part is when you hurt yourself and then because you know,

Starting point is 00:15:10 you know, now I'm gonna be scared the next couple of weeks. That's the part that I'm more, I know it's not that bad. Like I know it's not like my Achilles tear or anything. You just know it's gonna take time. Yeah, and I know that when I go back to squat next week, I'm not gonna wanna, like here, I just have to be in your mind too. Totally. Is it going through? Totally. So that not gonna wanna, like here I just have to do me and your mind too.

Starting point is 00:15:25 Totally. Totally. So that's kind of, that part of it is the, I think the real frustrating part is, that's the bear of these kinds of programs where you're trying to push it. Yeah, like that's just like,

Starting point is 00:15:35 especially now or, you know, like all these little signs and things and those speak into you. The things that piss me off, it's always stuff that I know better. Like I, I, like I learned this lesson already like five six years ago Fuck you Lesson was there

Starting point is 00:15:57 For sure have learned it now, right? I mean it seriously is happening me and each time it's been like There's a spectrum of how how bad it's been, I would say this is on the worst side of the time that's happened, but each time the weight I've dropped and had to bail and was kind of limping home after that and limping the next day, which is what I look like today. But that was, go home and I'd be researching everywhere.

Starting point is 00:16:24 What could this be? It's not a tear. It's not what am I doing and trying to figure out what it was and why there like Yeah, the only thing that makes sense to me is again I was I don't think I was drinking enough water. Oh, no man. I don't know if we'll ever learn those lessons You know what I mean? When when Rocky's talking to Adrian remember that You can't win, you know, I'm a warrior Remember that? You can't win, you know, I'm a warrior. You can help it.

Starting point is 00:16:45 It's a damn good. Terrible advice by the way. If you live by that, you're gonna fuck yourself up. Oh, I'm nervous. Dude, you guys watch Mandalorian Seconds episode? Yes, did we? Yeah. So I want to ask Justin this.

Starting point is 00:16:58 Like twice. Uh, first of all, I absolutely love it. It's a thing it's phenomenal. Yeah, it's great show. What are your thoughts being like a weird superfan? Is when you see, like, thank you, I will take that. Is this something you appreciate

Starting point is 00:17:15 or is it more annoying when you see things that are obvious parallels to the storylines and previous ones? You know what I'm saying? Like for example, like, you know, when he goes in, the sand people, they take his stuff, then he goes into the inside the cave and then the rhino comes out. Very reminiscent of a new hope. Right, right.

Starting point is 00:17:39 So there's a lot of parts that I'm like, oh, that's like the same stuff. They're doing that on purpose. Yeah. They're bringing nostalgia back into it for, for like, I guess the older fans. Okay, so that's what I'm asking. I'm asking, I'm asking, I'm watching it, I'm going like, okay, so do like super fans get annoyed

Starting point is 00:17:55 by this, because they're like, oh, it's lazy writing, because it's like the same story. Yeah, sure. Yeah, dude, there's a whole like different species of these nerds out there that have ownership over the story somehow. And I'm like, calm down. There's all this energy in terms of, well, we want to see it go in this direction.

Starting point is 00:18:16 We want it to evolve. We don't want to see the same story and the same plot and the same environment. So I think Lucas, he was trying to do that. And then when he was doing that, he was getting crucified for using new characters and trying experimental things and more CGI and all this kind of stuff. So I think that the predicament is like Star Wars got acquired by Disney. And so now they're trying to appease the core fan base, which a lot of them want a lot of what they remembered out of the first kind of Star Wars is.

Starting point is 00:18:53 And so- I think it's more that way. Yeah, so they're kind of more appealing towards, I guess the less extreme super nerd fan base. There was one thing that I wish that they didn't show again. There's one robot that I don't remember which original Star Wars it was in, but it's obviously a dude walking inside of a little robot show. You have time out?

Starting point is 00:19:16 You can see him. It's so fake. And they had another one. Oh god. But it's definitely a throwback to the old Star Wars. I like it over, I don't know what it is. I guess it's somewhat, you know, it's somewhat like messy, but you could tell like it's real actors with costumes

Starting point is 00:19:34 and I don't know, I tend to, I like the artistry more with like masks and costuming and things like that over CGI. So the less CGI for me, the better. And so I guess I appreciate, because it makes it feel a little more raw and unfinished. And that was one of the things about Star Wars that was different than all the other science fiction movies

Starting point is 00:19:59 out there. It's not like perfect. Like there's all this junk and stuff that people are putting together to make spaceships. And it has its own feel too, like that technology. Yeah, it's like a combination of like new technology, old technology, religion. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:15 Yeah, I think it's brilliant, obviously. I'm trying to get my kids into it, but they're not getting into it. Yeah, it's funny, because I mean, they're adding in some old elements, like with, you know, the whole little Yoda guy. And hopefully, like, people don't get pissed about spoilers. But like, with that, there's this whole thing with that

Starting point is 00:20:32 where, like, George Lucas wasn't ever gonna talk about his background, Yoda, like where he came from, like, all that was like a big no-no. And so, like, nerds are getting upset about that. So, that's one thing. Because it was supposed to be a secret for me. Yeah. So, like, they're kind of putting that in there and creating a whole nother story,

Starting point is 00:20:50 which I'm excited about, because it's something like, I don't know where they're going with this, and I'm here for the ride, it's so far so good. Now, do you guys like the model of releasing an episode once a week better than the Netflix drop a mall at the same time model? I mean, selfishly, I want it all right now, but I see, I honestly, I think it's better

Starting point is 00:21:11 because then I can anticipate and it is kind of like promoting a little bit more like energy towards seeing the next one. It's probably more discussion and speculation, I would assume. Yeah, I would think. For sure. I'll say everybody penges the whole thing and I've done. I've done. I get annoyed. I want to watch it all You know, I mean I'm ready to watch all I think it's good for me though Like helps kind of put like a reserve there. Well, that's yeah for me I think it's a it's a healthier way to do it because I am the same way too like if you had the whole season I would have already been the whole thing

Starting point is 00:21:38 Yeah, yeah, I want to hold spent you know eight to 12 hours watching television over the course of a week Yeah, or this way it's like, I have a couple shows right now that are on Apple Plus and Disney Plus right now that I can only watch one episode each week. So you guys don't watch Rick and Morty, huh? Because the new episode came out again. Are you guys watching that at all? No, I was gonna show you.

Starting point is 00:21:58 I was gonna show you. Yeah, you have to buy the whole season though. Dude, you gotta watch Rick, oh, Hulu, do you guys have Hulu? No. How about you Adam? Well, it's including Disney Plus. Hulu is? Yeah, no, but you have to buy him through the Disney Plus. Oh, okayulu, do you guys have Hulu? No. How about you Adam? Well, it's including Disney Plus. Hulu is? Yeah, but you have to buy him through the Disney Plus.

Starting point is 00:22:08 Oh, okay, yeah, that's what I have. I was gonna watch it. I have it. Dude, it's such a good, so good. It's like sci-fi, cult, hilarity. It's just such a good cartoon. My son and I just piss our pants. Yeah, the old ones, I liked them a lot.

Starting point is 00:22:20 And they're terrible. And they're still coming out with new seasons still. The new season just came out, which is really, really cool. Yeah, this weekend was my little girl's 10th birthday. It's crazy to me that I didn't, how we not put this together that it goes, Katrina, me and then her all within a day. She'd have a super party.

Starting point is 00:22:39 All Scorpios. Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's really cool, man, seeing, because it's funny, all of a sudden, she started to mature, you know, I mean and I can see the transition from Little girl to teenager start to happen already, which is terrifying. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's it's super super terrifying I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, but we had a great dude my my ex-wife had the party at her house and so It was my parents my

Starting point is 00:23:04 My brother my ex brother-in-law my so it was my parents, my ex-brother-in-law, my brother, my sister, my parent, you know, Jessica and I, my ex-wife and her boyfriend, my kids. And it was just one big, awesome family. It was so nice to see everybody together and it was just really cool. It was all coming together really well. It's a really, really good time.

Starting point is 00:23:23 She's still dating the same guy, huh? She is. Yeah, he's a very nice guy too. He's a really, really good time. She's still dating the same guy, huh? She is. Yeah, he's a very nice guy too. He's from Arizona or something there? Utah. And they still long distance doing that, huh? Yeah, but they, she comes out once or twice a month and he'll stay out here for like a week.

Starting point is 00:23:35 Oh, okay. Cause he can work remotely. Really nice guy, really cool guy. I got to talk to him a little bit more. This last time, super calm, which is probably good. It's probably good. Yeah, you calm, which is probably good. It's probably good. Yeah, you know, that's a good thing. You know, my kids have a lot of passion on the other side,

Starting point is 00:23:49 so they get the calmness on that side. But no, it was a great time. It's just cool, watching my daughter with her friends, because she had a sleep over the night before. And you watch these little, because she's grown up with these girls. They've all gone to school together. Watching their conversations start to change a little bit.

Starting point is 00:24:05 Like it's getting to the, it's gonna get, it's close. Pretty soon it's gonna be boys. That's all they're gonna talk about. What's the thing right now? Like what are they all talking about? They do, you know, games and unicorns and, you know, fucking crafts and shit like that, but you could tell by the way they're talking, is it starting to get closer to that.

Starting point is 00:24:23 What's 10, what grade again? Tip fourth. Four, okay. So that's why I don't know. Yeah, my first girlfriend was four, one's at fifth, six. That's when it starts to kick in. Yeah. And girls mature faster than boys.

Starting point is 00:24:34 For sure. My daughter's like, you're my son. Yeah, I had a girlfriend in fourth grade, but I was still scared of her, you know what I'm saying? Like, fifth grade, I was like, like, like, like, to, you know, sixth grade, you were like trying to serve. Do you know what I had friends ask and grow out for me?

Starting point is 00:24:45 Yeah, we're considered going out, I never talked to her. Yeah, that's really weird. Yeah, some guys still do that. At the bar, hey bro, bro, can you go see if that girl likes you? Get a number for me. Yeah, the hell's going on here. I gotta do all the work.

Starting point is 00:24:59 But it's funny watching them, you know, watching my daughter grow up and then start to, you know, just realize that it's going to be different pretty soon. It's going to be a little bit, I'm watching Doug go through that with his almost teen daughter. Poor bastard. Yeah, because Brianna's getting ready to go to high school, right?

Starting point is 00:25:16 Yeah. So she is 13 now. Yeah, so it's in the same thing as that. It's a real joy. Let me just say. And do you walk into here in like boy conversation? They're talking about boys yet? Have you had it?

Starting point is 00:25:26 I don't hear those conversations. I think she has those without me in the room. Yeah. I think she's smart. It's so funny. My Jessica's friend has a daughter that's 12 and she recently had to take the doors off, the her bedroom door off the hinges.

Starting point is 00:25:39 Oh wow. She was hiding, do it, shit behind her back, you know? And I'm just, I have a very, you know, once you start to get older, you start to realize your own weaknesses, whatever you want to call them. And I am a bit overprotective, let's be honest. I'm a little bit on that overprotective side. And boy, does that spark that fire inside me

Starting point is 00:25:59 when I start to think of my daughter becoming teenager? You know what I mean? Right, start to, oh. Yeah. You know? Sure glad I Where I start to, oh. Yeah. You know? Sure glad I had a boy. Oh man. Justin did it right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:09 Two boys, dude. Two and done. Yeah. Anyway, I was reading some articles over the weekend on, you know, I've worked with, have you guys ever worked with clients that have had just symptoms that they just can't pinpoint the cause of? And you've tried, you've gone through different routes, they've seen doctors, they've seen other specialists, and it's just they can't

Starting point is 00:26:30 figure out some of their symptoms. And the symptoms are not specific, they're like fatigue or... It's almost always those clients, it ends up being sleep and stress. Really? Yeah. Related to something like that, like that's, whenever I can't figure it out, like it diet and workout routine and everything else is like, seems perfect

Starting point is 00:26:51 and we're hitting that, but they still have got stuff going on. More often than not, it's either some sort of a stress, whether that be like emotional stress from like personal relationships or work relationships or just stress on the body, like not sleeping sleeping well staying up all night and like I agree I agree

Starting point is 00:27:09 But I you know I had a client a while and the reason why I'm bringing this up is I have a friend of mine who's whose mom was having some of these symptoms And so you know we'll text each other back and forth and you'll ask me my opinion and you know and all that and it's just kind of been this big kind of mystery And I agree with you Adam usually when you when it's not diet. It's not you know and all that and it's just kind of been this big kind of mystery and I agree with you Adam Usually when you when it's not diet. It's not you know exercise or any medical issue that's it's obvious to the stress or sleep so you know this poor woman has been going down that path and She finally found out what the issue was and she had some heavy metal build up toxicity. And it was causing some of her symptoms. And the symptoms, when you look at the symptoms of heavy metal

Starting point is 00:27:50 toxicity, it's like headaches, mental fogginess, anxiety, depression, memory problems, digestive issues, poor immune function, such as getting sick. And it's like, there's a so non-specific that it's hard for you to... So you just been ingesting too many of these heavy metals. Well, so here's the thing about that. It's not super common, right?

Starting point is 00:28:11 How do you even test to find that out? How do you figure that out? You can get a test from your doctor, although getting one of those tests is very difficult because the symptoms, the symptoms, symptoms, excuse me, tend to be so general and the doctor may do something like, oh, you're just stressed. And you're like, but I don't, you know, I feel like I'm not stressed. And I feel like whatever. So it's hard to get those tests. Everlywell actually does a home test now, which is a heavy metal toxicity test. And it tests, you know, all the arsenic and mercury.

Starting point is 00:28:38 Oh, I didn't know they have that. Yeah, they do. So they knew? No, they've had it now for a little while. Damn, I need to go through all their tests. Yeah, and it tests all the common metals that you may, that you might get from things around to your environment or food. But then you read articles like, remember it was a two years ago, how there was an independent laboratory that tested something like 15 different vegan protein powders?

Starting point is 00:29:02 Yeah. And found like 11 or 12 of them had excessively high amounts of heavy metals in them, like far beyond what the limits were supposed to be. Yeah. So you could be one of those people. You could be supplementing with a supplement. And you consider a health supplement.

Starting point is 00:29:18 Yeah, and you're taking it every day. So let's say you take a protein, like a lot of people do. A lot of people in the fitness space take a protein powder every single day, for example. Not realize it, because these metals don't come out of the body very well. I mean, if you have heavy metal toxicity,

Starting point is 00:29:31 you have to go through a protocol to get rid of them. And so you might not know. And so you're taking, and this is why it's hard. Let's say you're eating a food or a supplement and you're doing it for every day, it takes a while to build up. You may be taking the supplement for seven years and all of a sudden you're getting these symptoms,

Starting point is 00:29:50 how are you gonna know that it's your protein powder? You know what I mean? Because you've been taking it for so long. It's just like staining your digestive track. Your body stores it. Wow. Yeah, your body will store it. And again, the symptoms tend to be that way.

Starting point is 00:30:03 So I'm not trying to freak anybody out. But if you have a lot of these kind of general symptoms of malaise and you've gone through the traditional routes of trying to figure out what's going on, you've gone to your doctor, you're exercising, you think you're eating pretty well, you're not overweight, but you just feel generally like shit, and you can't figure it out.

Starting point is 00:30:28 I think the everly well test is relatively inexpensive. It's an at home test. I believe it's $199, and then with our discount, it's a lot less than that. I've heard a lot of functional medicine practitioners bring that up. When they're tracing back, trying to find the root of what's causing all these symptoms, like a heavy metal and toxicity. Oh, Doug just brought that up. You know, when they're tracing back, trying to find the root of what's causing all these symptoms,

Starting point is 00:30:45 like a heavy metal and toxicity. Oh, Doug just brought his up. Doug, what are the heavy metals that it tests for? Arsnick, bromine, magnum, creatinine. Oh, that would agree. Yeah, there you go. Then there's iodine and...

Starting point is 00:31:00 What's the one you weren't? You have two that you weren't great on, huh? Yeah, iodine and selenium, I was deficient. And... Those are those you actually need to have? Yes. And these other ones like arsenic, bromine, cadmium, all these mercury, I'm with...

Starting point is 00:31:15 More arsenic range, fortunately. So mercury is another good one, because there's some... Like if you look at the... what they would consider safe levels of, like safe amounts of fish that contain high mercury, right? So if you read like the guidelines here in America, they're way lower than the ones like in Japan.

Starting point is 00:31:36 Like in Japan, they say, oh, it's safe to eat this much fish that's got mercury here. They say, oh no, no, it's gotta be way less. Now wonder why? I wonder if it's because Japanese culture so eat so much more fish. Then again, they're very healthy typically. Then again, their rates of mercury poisoning are higher,

Starting point is 00:31:52 you probably, you know, due to that. So anyway, I just wanna say that out there, there are at home tests you can do, because you know, every well does a lot, there's a lot of different tests you can do, but there's one that is hard for you to get. So that's why, you know, she ended up figuring that out for herself.

Starting point is 00:32:05 She actually had a doctor scheduled some of these tests and now she's going through the protocols. So kind of crazy, that's a good one. You know, I mean, how frustrating is that? You have all these symptoms for, she'd been dealing with like two years. Yeah, I was just like, what story is this something you were dealing with this weekend?

Starting point is 00:32:18 No, that was something that I talked to him about last week, late last week. Yeah, so. Because this weekend, I was, you know, you're talking about sponsors and some of that. I was actually got, I got two of my family members to order the Felix Grace because they, one of them was complaining about headaches

Starting point is 00:32:32 and the other one was complaining about needing a prescription now and never having issues with their eyes until she started a job where she was staring at a computer screen all day long. And it was funny because I was reading this article and they were talking about the average person now spends a minimum of 1,700 hours a year in front of a computer screen.

Starting point is 00:32:51 That's so much too. And it's crazy because we haven't seen this until this last decade or two. And before that, you would never hear these things. So we're starting to see more and more of these issues starting to pop up. That's why I think a brand like Felix is so smart for being ahead of the curve

Starting point is 00:33:09 because I think it's gonna- They're getting person. I think it's gonna be a standard thing. You see, screens aren't going away. Well, companies like Apple and Google, they're already getting on board. I know they have partnerships with them

Starting point is 00:33:18 because I think it's gonna become a standard that if you sit in front of a computer for more than an hour or two a day, like it'll just be a mandatory thing that everybody's like. It's almost like safety goggles when you're in any of a computer for more than an hour or two a day, like it'll just be a mandatory thing that everybody's like. It's almost like safety goggles when you're in any other industry. 100% correct. You're 100% right. I have a friend whose optometrist gave them prescription blue light blocking lenses,

Starting point is 00:33:37 specifically because she was complaining about, you know, I strain or whatever. And he's like, yeah, you need to wear these because it's going to damage your eyes. Blue light in particular suppresses melatonin tremendously. Like when compared to other forms of light, like green light, for example, twice as long as green light.

Starting point is 00:33:56 And melatonin is a big deal. Now, I'm not telling people to supplement with melatonin, I think that's got different applications, but melatonin deficiencies have been, or low levels of melatonin have been linked to higher rates of cancer. Melatonin is like, I got really good anti-cancer antioxidant properties. This may be why people who have, you know, poor sleep or work night shifts, they're, it's considered a carcinogenic risk by the World Health Organization. Like if you were a night shift worker or whatever,

Starting point is 00:34:26 it's actually they put it up there with, you know, other things that are known carcinogenic like smoking cigarettes, which is kind of wild, right? If you think about it. Well, I don't, I mean, I don't even work in front of a computer all day long. And I noticed a difference just from the amount of usage that we use our phones.

Starting point is 00:34:41 And so I can't imagine being somebody like my two family members that I was talking to this weekend I mean they have jobs where they sit they get at a desk They sit in front of a computer and they stare at a computer a minimum of eight to 12 hours every day When my brother-in-law he was he was 36 hours in front of a computer screen over the course of two days It's like dude. That's how does that not of course. That's got to have some of course Of course, yeah, it's almost, it kinda sucks in a way, cause now that I'm aware, it when I'm not wearing it,

Starting point is 00:35:08 it totally affects my sleep, and I can tell right away, ah, I forgot to put them on the other night. It's almost like when I figured out some of the gluten or one of these other substances where it's like, I know specifically that's what caused my heartburn now. I wish I didn't know that, it traced back. I had one beer and like, I know specifically that's what caused my heartburn now. I wish I didn't know that. It traced back.

Starting point is 00:35:27 I had one beer and like, ah! Ignorance psychosomatic. Yeah. Dude, this is something else that's crazy. So, Sunday, I went to church and I was some of the speakers that they have there are so phenomenal, such exceptional communicators, and every once in a while they'll bring up studies, which I think is really cool. And he brought up a study, this was, I think it was done by UCLA, that showed that people

Starting point is 00:35:53 need a minimum of 8 to 10 meaningful touches a day in order to thrive. So they actually did this huge study and they found that people who received less than 8 to 10 meaningful touches are, you know, not like you bump into someone by hand on their So they actually did this huge study and they found that people who received less than eight to ten meaning meaningful touches are, you know, not like you bump into someone by hand on their shoulder, a hug. Stuff like that. Yeah, friendly handshake. Yes, and they showed that if it's lower than that, even if they, when they control for other factors, that people's health, physical health actually suffers.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Now the whole talk was about that. So we're such social creatures. Such social creatures. You know the Soviets had some fucking the horse such social creatures, such social creatures. You know, the Soviets had some fucking messed up studies on this, right? So they did, yeah, they did some some studies where they had orphans who were born, like they intentionally kept them away. They told the nurses feed them, make sure they're the warm, but

Starting point is 00:36:39 don't pick them up. Don't hold them. Don't, you know, give them any touch or love. And we're going to compare this group to this group of infants that you actually pick them up and hug them and hold them. They're all serial killers, weird. And the ones that didn't get touched, they were sick, some of them died, they didn't thrive. They actually, so those study, which you would never repeat, right? You never do a study like that again.

Starting point is 00:37:00 But we need that. And so what he was talking about was how important it is to show your kids like physical. So it's funny, right? I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, we're listening to this, I'm sitting in my son's sitting next to me and he's like, so, you know, especially fathers, you know, make sure I know it's hard, but you know, make sure you hug and kiss your kids

Starting point is 00:37:18 and even your sons, especially a group, and my son's rolling his eyes because literally, I'm putting my arm around it. This is me like, every second. Yeah, literally I just finished kissing him on his face. You know, right before the guy said, and I'm like, and he's like, how many is too much? You know, he told me that.

Starting point is 00:37:34 How much is too much? Too much threshold. Yeah, dude, I told him, I don't give a shit, how old you are, kid. You're gonna get a lot of that. That's that stuff as a kid, you probably, annoys you when you're a young teenage boy, but then when you hit your late 20s or early 30s,

Starting point is 00:37:47 that starts to come back around. You really appreciate that. Yeah, I grew up with it. So for me, it's not hard to show that, but I know it's hard for a lot of, especially guys, if you grow up and your dad, either wasn't there, or your dad was like, you know, the stereotypical dad,

Starting point is 00:38:01 who's just like, you know, you two, you two, yeah, good job buddy. You know, that's what you get from your dad. Like, you know, the stereotypical dad who's like, you know, you know, you two moms. Yeah, good job, buddy. You know, that's what you get from your dad. Like, you don't learn that. So how do you do that with your own son, you know? I mean, with babies, but once they grow up, like, how do you do that?

Starting point is 00:38:13 Even with babies, you can see the difference. I can see it within like the three of us, my best friends and I who all have kids right now that are, you know, between the ages of four months and a year and a half, you can even see the way we interact with our children based off of how we received love growing up. It's very obvious to me. You know, I know that.

Starting point is 00:38:33 You know, I'm still hug and punch. You know, I'm still hug. Did you guys, was your dad very affectionate with you just on the physically? Oh yeah, he was. Actually, it was like annoyingly so. I was like, like your son where I was just like, ugh, stop, dad. You know, like, cause you would wrestle and then he would to get me to stop wrestling because I was just like

Starting point is 00:38:50 Incessantly like always like attacking him, you know, and he would just like okay, do you miss kiss you? I'm like no That was like it was totally a you know very Like hands-on kind of like you know, very like hands-on kind of like, you know, like love. I'm trying to see how you can learn that. I don't know how to say this. A real hands-y. But that was real hands-y.

Starting point is 00:39:09 He's a hands-y guy. But not like a creepy way. Yeah, no, it was definitely like it. So I, you know, I've modeled the same thing with my kids. I have no problem, you know, like giving them love like that. Yeah, when I was a kid, you know, because I grew up in a family like that? So my friends would come over

Starting point is 00:39:26 and they'd see, when I'd come home with them because we're walking home from school and my dad would be doing something in the backyard of the garage. And I'd go up to my dad and give him a kiss on the cheek. And my friends were always like, you used to go to the father?

Starting point is 00:39:39 This was like the movie, whatever. I'm like, this is literally how we greet each other. I think it's a good thing. Anyway, dude, science daily published or put out, they're not the publishers of it, they report. Another study on heavily, or what they call ultra-processed food. Bro, the verdict is coming out

Starting point is 00:40:00 and it's conclusive on ultra-processed food. It's probably the main reason for the obesity epidemic. Yeah, 100%. Well, that's mean, we've all speculated that. Well, I mean, you guys knew this as trainers, right? But we used to say it was fat, fat was the problem, sugar, sodium, sugar, no, it's carbs, no, it's none of those things.

Starting point is 00:40:23 It's ultra-process foods and how they make us overeat and encourage more intake. So I looked up the very interesting charts on other countries and how they start to adopt a quote-unquote Western diet, which is, you know, Western diet is just it's really personified, I would say, or characterized by ultra-process food. That's what makes something a Western diet. So like in Latin America or Latin countries, they, you know, two generations ago ate very differently than they do now. So they were showing on this chart the rate, the BMI, the average BMI, and how it went up and the consumption of processed food, mirror. It's a total mirror. Soon as they started consuming more of these processed foods, BMI started going up, you know, that's body mass index, and the more they

Starting point is 00:41:18 consume, the higher it goes up to the point now where there's an actual number where they can show you exactly how much the consumption of heavily processed food connects to obesity, heart disease, all this stuff. Wow. Isn't that insane? That isn't insane. So that's it right there. That's why I always say, towards the back half of my career as a trainer,

Starting point is 00:41:39 that was what I would teach my clients, because it was one thing. You know, I have to teach them all this stuff. It's one thing I focused on, like just remove those first and let's see what happens. And always, they would always lose like 15 pounds, 10, 15 pounds, just from doing that alone. No, I just remember putting the same thing together and telling clients, I could just,

Starting point is 00:41:55 I'd give them a list of all the foods, which were all whole foods. And instead of telling them restrictions of, oh, counter calories are way this big, eat as much of these as you want. As long as you're in these parameters or these foods go to town and what would happen is they would lose weight. Naturally. Yeah, I mean, when you're eating whole foods, it's crazy how much more difficult it is to over consume.

Starting point is 00:42:16 The body kind of just naturally tells you, I'm full, you get palate fatigue, I'm tired of eating that. And so. Now you're not gonna get shredded doing that. No. That's what I wanna communicate to be like, yeah, of course you wanna get six pack you're not gonna get shredded doing that. No. That's what I wanna communicate to be like, yeah of course you wanna get six pack. You're gonna do a lot more steps.

Starting point is 00:42:29 You're gonna have to take. Yeah, but you take somebody who has been eating in an ultra-process diet, like you're saying, or eats out fast food all the time, and then you tell them, you know, hey, baked potatoes, steak, chicken, rice, broccoli, all fine, go to town. You know, when you're hungry, eat it.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Eat off this, as long as you eat off this list of all these whole foods, I put together, just stay away from all that other stuff. But hey, if you're, I don't want you hungry. If you're hungry, go get, go get something from your list. And they would, they would lose a ton of weight that way. Well, it's interesting you bring the subs. You guys here, where CrossFit's new direction is?

Starting point is 00:43:01 No. So I guess like in January, the headquarters had like, I guess there's been this whole new sort of agenda that Greg Glassman like met up, I guess with another, this other like physician who like medical physician who I guess inspired him to focus like completely on chronic illness and you know this is why he's been going after like Coca-Cola. Oh really?

Starting point is 00:43:31 He's been in like a lot of legal like lawsuits and things with what was that other certification that not ace but it was the more medically. I remember I can't remember the certification, but there was some issues there. But so back and forth, they've been kind of like attacking and counter-attacking a lot of, you know, these big sort of institutions and brands and things that the sugar based kind of brand

Starting point is 00:44:00 is trying to go more mainstream. They're trying to go more mainstream and they're trying to make it more accessible for like the elderly and for the general pop. So it's a very interesting shift, which is. We would have predicted that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:14 And I guess it's like causing all kinds of pilgrimage away from the brand. Well, more and more too. We have quite a few people that own CrossFit boxes or attend them or train at them That follow us and I get DMs all the time That they they their programming is changing too like every year. It's getting it's funny because real soon here It's not considered CrossFit to me anymore. It's starting to become personal training. Yeah. It's getting close to reasonable. That's exactly what we talked about in our earliest episodes, what

Starting point is 00:44:50 we talked about CrossFit. It was like either, I just talk about it like it's a sport and that's it. We're training athletes and it's competitive sport. Or if you're going to use it for fitness, you've got to become, you've got to scale back on the insanity a little bit and make it a little bit more. It's funny because he, and that was the most they're bringing, they're finally profitable with the games. And like they're like starting to bring in a lot of money. And then like he just had this like sort of awakening, almost like he went on an ayahuasca trip or something. He's had this idea that now we have to go in this direction completely. And so it basically took all the money out of the games which was starting to become profitable, which pissed a lot of people off, which is probably

Starting point is 00:45:30 one of the best things that they did. Didn't they cut their staffing down tremendously? Yes. So they're only down, I guess they're only down to like nine. They had like a couple hundred staff at the head, and they've dwindled down. Do you guys think they're going to survive this? Or do you think that this pivot is gonna, because they had such a strong base

Starting point is 00:45:48 that was so connected to the way they did things before? Do you think that this is gonna hurt them? Well, where are they at with the contract right now? What are they on year five or six with Reebok? Cause they sign a 10 year deal with them. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, they sign a 10 year deal. So they're, I mean, they're gonna be okay.

Starting point is 00:46:03 And if their games are actually finally profitable, they're not going around. And what deal. So they're, I mean, they're gonna be okay. And if their games are actually finally profitable, they're not going around. And what's happening is they're obviously listening to what's being set out there about all the injuries and poor programming. And I think that, like I said, the people that follow and listen to us share with me all the time, like that they modify their workouts

Starting point is 00:46:24 and adjust them and do mobility work before they start. And, you know, it's more and more starting to look like good person's rating. So, you know, because of that, I think it will, I think, you know, a decade or two from now, people won't think of CrossFit the same way that we looked at CrossFit at the very beginning of what it was like. I think it'll be, it'll look completely different than what it looked like. So they have another thing was they have this certification,

Starting point is 00:46:48 like they did with their CrossFit level one or whatever, but they're doing it with physicians. So like they're taking them through functional exercises and all that and trying to like get them to adopt that within their clinic. Oh wow, which is interesting. That's actually kind of cool. Yeah. Well, Glassman is a pioneer. Oh, wow. Which is interesting. That's actually kind of cool. Well, glassman is a pioneer.

Starting point is 00:47:05 He really is. He made a bigger impact in the fitness space than any single person that I know of in modern times. He really did. And when you hear him talk about certain things, the dude is very, very smart, very, very forward thinking. So it'll be interesting to watch. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Justin, you told me that Google bought Fitbit, huh? Yeah. When was that? 2.1 billion. Holy shit. Yeah, it's just like a couple of months ago, I think. But yeah, that's a big deal. I mean, I guess because Apple's been producing a lot of numbers

Starting point is 00:47:39 with their Apple Watch and has done really well, Google wants to get a piece of the game and had pitched that over to Fitbit and acquired them. Have you used Fitbit's watch? Looks like Apple's watch. Well, that's what I got my daughter for her birthday. Oh, you did. I did.

Starting point is 00:47:55 A Fitbit one, huh? I did. I got her, you know why? Her friend has one and they talk about it all the time. You know what's funny? This morning, she's like, can I walk to school? Because she's got the Fitbit. She wants to try, we'll see how long the novelty work, you know. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because what's funny? This morning, she's like, can I walk to school? Because if she's got the Fitbit, she wants to try. We'll see how long the novelty work, you know.

Starting point is 00:48:06 Yeah. Well, it's interesting because like, what's their motivation? And a lot of it too is obviously the user data, like they're acquiring with it, which then, you know, gets into the digital health realm where Google's like, how do we track where people are moving? And how do we track their heart rates

Starting point is 00:48:22 to see how our ads affect them? I mean, that's the main motivation. It's not the product. They're not making the money there. You think I'm making shit up? No, not at all. It's think GP, I mean, it's got GPS on it too, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:33 So imagine when your daughter's walking by target and also in the target ad pops up on and then they'll see what the heart rate did and they'll start to connect it all. That's like what I told you guys. What was going on with all the car dealerships. I told you guys, what was going on with all the car dealerships. I told you that's what's going on with them, being able to track and see where your vehicle is going. I mean, look at that article Doug pulled up there. It says some Fitbit users are getting rid of their devices

Starting point is 00:48:55 because they don't trust Google. Oh wow, that's so funny. That's interesting. Big data. I don't think it's gonna hurt their sales. I think they're gonna sell more. Oh yeah, well, I mean, at the end of the day, it's more convenient for the consumer. I mean, there's always the people that are freaked out and it's gonna hurt their sales. I think they're gonna sell more. Oh, yeah, well I mean at the end of the day it's more convenient for the consumer

Starting point is 00:49:05 I mean there's always the people that are freaked out and it's funny It's always the people that no one gives a fuck like nobody's driving better backhand support Nobody gives a shit about what you're doing, bro. You know saying like nobody cares Like everyone freaks out about that at the end of the day for the majority It makes it nice. You want to you want to know when it matters if you ever run for any kind of public office They're gonna find some shit on you They're coming from your Gmail. Yeah, I mean they save it. That's why it was free. Yeah, everybody forget that like oh, I use a free email So they do

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Starting point is 00:50:39 with a light weight that I can do 30 reps with? Am I going to get the same value? You're actually not. No, different. Yeah, there's a lot of skill that comes from exercise, learning how to do a movement. And it's very valuable to learn how to move your body around versus move a weight around your body. Well, I mean, they both have tremendous value, just different.

Starting point is 00:51:01 That's a close chain and open chain. I mean, there's having an open chain is lots of value to having to stabilize the weight and space. So it's just flat out, it's just different. It's different. And both are beneficial. It's not a replace or an either or it's, I think, both belong to the complementary to each other. Right. Right. Yeah. Now as far as like functional ability, they both have lots of benefit for functionality, but I will say this, when you're first started working out, or you're, let's say you're a trainer and you're working with youth, I like bodyweight movements to start with. I think learning to move your body around in space, learning to control your body has so much carryover into everything else.

Starting point is 00:51:45 I think many routines place almost no value on exercises like that. Partially because it's a skill that can be difficult to learn. Like you could work out all the time with weights and then go and try and do pull ups and dips or a single leg. You might have enough strength to do a single leg squat with your body, but you may not have the control

Starting point is 00:52:09 and stability to do it. So here you are squatting five here at, I'm a person like that. I can squat mid 300 pounds, have me do a single leg squat and I start to struggle because I don't have that skill. Which one do you think is gonna talk to my functional ability out in the real world?

Starting point is 00:52:26 They both do. So neglecting one actually takes away from your progress. As far as the muscle building effects or the body sculpting effects, because it's different because it's novel, throwing those bodyweight movements in, you will notice better muscle development in your body. Dip some pull-ups. I like to see that a lot of people do those, but not enough people do those two exercises. Those are great exercises to get good at.

Starting point is 00:52:54 Get good at being able to do a pull-up or get good at being able to do a dip and watch how your body starts to develop. If you need any evidence of the aesthetic effects of body weight training, look at high-level gymnasts. These are people that they use some weights, but most of the stuff they do is body weight. I think people aren't... It's tough because you do have to get somewhat creative in terms of how to intensify some of these movements without weights and to be able to make these workouts more challenging after you get somewhat

Starting point is 00:53:32 adapted to push-ups, dips, and pull-ups and whatnot. But there is a lot of ways, like you see these calisthenic guys that are out there doing stuff with bars and like gymnasts and there's levels to it that you can definitely get massive strength gains from and very much more this proprioceptive ability of understanding your body, I think, and being in your body a bit more than even with weights. Hey, didn't you, weren't you scheduled to do some parkour with your son? That was, yeah. Did you do it? Yeah, you're like, weren't you scheduled to do some park core with your son?

Starting point is 00:54:05 That was, yeah. Did you do it? Yeah, you're like, there's this waiting list that's crazy right now for it. So we went to the gym and we didn't even get to run the class yet. So we're on like for three weeks waiting to do this, but I can't wait.

Starting point is 00:54:17 It looks like a riot, dude. Like this. Yeah, there's all these different obstacles and things. And it's like Ninja different obstacles and things and it's like ninja warrior obstacles and things in there that you can jump through and climb and swing from and all that so it looks like a good time. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Next question is from Jay Nick Dave. Should someone who's a beginner focus on bulking or cutting first? How do you know which to do first? You know, this is a general question. So of course it depends on the individual.

Starting point is 00:54:48 But generally speaking, I think I typically have a client focus on bulking first. Now, I don't, I say that loosely. I'm not telling, I'm not having them bump their calories like crazy or whatever. I'm typically just trying to get them stronger before I ever try to cut any kind of calories because I want to work with a healthier metabolism

Starting point is 00:55:12 or maybe that's that wrong word. I want to work with a faster metabolism. It's easier to get lean when your body's burning more calories naturally. And I want them to be good to performance wise in the gym while I'm working with them. I think to establish some of these compound lifts, I don't necessarily want to run them through a cut

Starting point is 00:55:32 where they may fatigue more so than they would if they were fed. Yeah, I've talked about this before in old podcasts, but I'll bring it up again for listeners who might not have heard this, but there's a bit of a misconception when it comes to the best workouts for fat loss. A lot of us think I'm going to do the exercises in the workouts that just burn tons of calories, but that's completely negating the fact that the workout itself sends a signal to the body,

Starting point is 00:56:01 and the signal that it sends to the body tells the body to get better at whatever you're doing. And so what happens when you're focusing on just losing weight, let's say you're doing lots of cardio, lots of these hit style workouts and circuit type training, is your body starts to become efficient with calories. You actually start to slow your metabolism down. And for people who are like, oh, that doesn't really happen. I've read study, no, no, no. Look at modern hunter-gatherers.

Starting point is 00:56:23 There's this really amazing study done on modern hunter gathers, the hudza tribe, I will hudza, I believe, is spelled tribe, where they, they scientists went in and measured their calorie burn. And the, they predicted that these people would be burning 5,000 calories a day because they're hunting and walking and moving all day long They thought oh these people are gonna burn way more calories in the average person It turns out they weren't burning that many more calories in the average person and you think yourself has that possible

Starting point is 00:56:53 They're moving like crazy because it doesn't make sense Why would the human body evolve to burn shit tons of calories all the time when food has always been so scarce Now there is one form of exercise that will tell the body to bore more calories. And that is resistance training, strength. Because strength, when your body prioritizes strength, the second priority is to become efficient with calories. It actually bumps it down the list a little bit. It says, we need to get stronger. In order to get stronger, you have to build muscle. That burns more calories. So more often than not, if I had a client that wanted to lose a lot of weight,

Starting point is 00:57:25 I would even, I would start them off and be like, well, we're gonna focus on strength for a little while before we even try to lose anyway. It took me a while to figure that out, but once I started doing that, I had much better long-term success. I like this question because not only do I agree with you, but I would always start someone to bulk them.

Starting point is 00:57:44 The only exception to the rule would be a competitor I agree with you, but I would always start someone to bulk them. The only exception to the rule would be a competitor or somebody who has already been tracking their food. And they came to me and said, Adam, I'm at 5,000 calories a day already. They have all their macros tracked out for me. They're already eating a ton of calories. And they're like, will you help me get shredded? And that's like one in a thousand people come to me ever like that. Most people are coming

Starting point is 00:58:11 to me, nowhere, no clue where to start and or somebody who is really overweight. And that's what's really changed for me as a trainer. And it took me probably a decade to figure this piece out because I think the common knowledge says, okay, somebody who is 300 pounds, they come in higher personal trainer to lose 100 pounds, you're gonna put them on a cut. No, not at all, because most of those people have extremely slow metabolism because they're deconditioned, they're not moving around.

Starting point is 00:58:43 They have a lot of body fat, they don't have a lot of muscle mass on their body and have probably real poor eating habits where they bench like crazy and then they restrict. And so when I first get a hold of anybody no matter how overweight they are, the first few months minimum is focused on us actually starting to slowly increase calories.

Starting point is 00:59:06 Now I change them, right? Most people come in their macro profiles way off. They're way over consuming sugar and carbs and sometimes fat, not getting enough protein or not getting enough healthy fats, not getting enough fiber. We've talked about this on the show many times. I don't like to take away it from somebody. Somebody who also has a hard time controlling their diet, going straight into a diet that you restrict from them is always a really bad place to start. They have a lot they

Starting point is 00:59:35 need to work on as far as the relationship with food. And I've found that I've had a lot more success with assessing a diet. And instead of telling them, Oh, you can't have these things saying, Hey, I want to add this into your diet. And so, I'll add things to the diet while also strength training to what Justin and Salis Point was, which is, so I would build more muscle, which would then speed their metabolism up. So, always, I'm starting somebody on a bulk

Starting point is 01:00:00 before we go to a diet. Plus, it's nice to show somebody to value, or to teach someone to value performance first, anyway. So, it's nice to show somebody to value or to teach someone to value performance first anyway. So it's like they came in there, they want to lose 30 pounds, but now you're getting them stronger and then they start to feel stronger. They start to see the weights go up in the gym. They start to feel better in their body and then they start to value exercise for that.

Starting point is 01:00:19 That's a nice relationship to start with. Like you're valuing the performance and you're getting it. You're starting off on the right foot. And then a few months later, like you're saying, the performance and you're getting it, you're starting off on the right foot. And then a few months later, like you're saying, Adam, then switching them to now, we're gonna start to reveal. Yeah, and now we're gonna start to introduce calories and see what happens. It's just a much better long term approach. Next question is from Jeremy Longprey. Why do you guys think people have such a hard time losing fat in this day and age. What are the physical or psychological barriers you see most people have and how have you guided people in the right direction on starting their journey?

Starting point is 01:00:52 You guys ever look at the, it's like a picture from, I want to say it's like at the turn of the century, I should say turn of the 1900s, right? There was a picture of a circus, what they call a circus fat man. Oh, yeah, what an overweight or obese person back then looks like. You see that like everywhere it is in land now. It's wild, right? Because you know, back in those days circuses had these sidaxes or whatever, where you know, come see the bearded lady or come see this, you know, the boy with, you know, you know, flipper hands or whatever. Or the 300 pound man. Like the 300 pound man was so crazy.

Starting point is 01:01:27 Yeah, and so you look at this picture of this man who was considered a circus fat man. So people literally paid money to stand in front of the guy and look at him because he was so out of the ordinary, crazy overweight. Now when you look at him, yeah, he's a big guy. He's definitely overweight. But plug that guy into Walmart or any other, you know, store or ask or or Disney World, any blends right in. And so it's it's insane how much our perception of this has changed. Now what the hell has happened? Is it because where our genetics have changed?

Starting point is 01:02:08 Is it just, no, it's our environment. Our environment has radically changed. It's a lot of things, right? I mean, we move significantly less. We laugh. That same time frame you're talking about, so you would have to go slaughter the pig, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:02:23 You would prepare it all day long. Wash your clothes by hand. Yeah, I mean, the amount of calories we were probably burning throughout the day just to go about our normal day was probably two, three X, what the average person does today. Not to mention, food wasn't as readily available. You had to, you know, kick or kill, cook, prepare your meal just to have a single meal where... It turned into an ornash. Yeah, I mean, we have access to food everywhere and then you throw in the fact of how much

Starting point is 01:02:54 we've made it palatable and process foods like we're always talking about. I mean, we got wrappers and packages with, you know, three 500 calorie bombs all over the place. And so it's really easy to over consume and comparison about them. So I think it's a combination of all of this. You wanna know what it took to make food hyper palatable 150 years ago? It took hours and hours of preparation.

Starting point is 01:03:23 It took a lot of time to make and bake the cake or the pie or the meal that was hyper-palatable. We had to put a lot of time and effort into it. They could not go to the store and cheaply purchase something that was hyper-palatable. And here's a funny thing, here's a reversal. You go back 100 to 150 years ago, the people that you found that were overweight were wealthy.

Starting point is 01:03:46 The poor were never, almost never overweight. Today it's the reverse. Today it's the reverse. Now why is it the reverse today? Well, Adam was saying, these foods are so readily available and so cheap and the reason why the wealthy now are not obese is because they've education. They're more educated And so they make different food choices, but our lifestyle is just Let me put it this way 150 years ago 200 years ago if you were to tell the average person that you were gonna go to a gymnasian

Starting point is 01:04:16 To lift heavy objects and put them down back on the ground Yeah, they would have been like why just go till the fields. I got some work for you to do. And you don't even have to pay me for it. It's crazy. We are extremely sedentary, but also simultaneously, extremely busy. We solve a lot of problems, and we also create problems on the way.

Starting point is 01:04:39 Side effects. That's just how it goes. Yeah, unintendedly. So to make everything easier in terms of access and you know, food more readily available, like these were mega, you know, issues that we're trying to solve and solve hunger. Like hunger was a big, huge thing. And we were able to create foods that lasted longer and you know, tasted better and then do this all under, you know, for less money. So it now, it's just, it's everywhere. So like learning how to create barriers for that

Starting point is 01:05:09 is the new thing we've. I think that sleep and stress are, you know, the lack of sleep and high stresses at all time highs when you compare it back then also. I don't think you, you know, there was different stress. I would, you know, we have to be careful when we say that we're more stressed today because I doubt we're more stressed today because I doubt, we're more stressed

Starting point is 01:05:26 and the generations that grew up, or they were tuberculosis. Your stress back then was, I might not get to eat. Yeah. It was also, it was also a cue and then gone. Whereas now we have these like little stresses all day. That's what I mean. We're, we take on everybody else's problems now.

Starting point is 01:05:44 It's like we're aware of like the world's issues. Yes. Instead of just our local and do you envision people back then having trouble sleeping? I don't. I just don't see a hundred years ago lying in bed tired from labor rights, stimulated from being on the computer all day long in your brain, like turning all day long. I feel like most people back then are probably exhausted from their day. The sun went down. They probably sat by a fire or something, maybe had dinner and then probably in bed, I can't imagine. And they had like crippling arthritis, like, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:14 that 60 years older or whatever. So, you know, they had that. And that's the other part too when I say that we were, we're extremely, uh, we're also busy. So, you know, you think about this, what I mean by busy is we're distracted constantly. There were probably times of quiet solitude back then, like, all right, I'm gonna take the wagon to go get some, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 01:06:35 It's gonna take me three hours. You're by yourself with your thoughts in nature, right? Now, you can't even wait in line for two seconds without being on your phone and learning about what's happening around the world and whatever. So modern life is, now here's, now I wanna be clear here. I wouldn't trade it for old life at all.

Starting point is 01:06:53 I think what we have now is way, way better. It just has what are called unintended consequences, these side effects of solving these major problems. So how do we fix that? We have to create practices. We have to create practices. We have to create practices. We have to structure it into our daily lives and we have to learn to value them.

Starting point is 01:07:13 Because... Yeah, regular life, modern life is not gonna make you healthy and fit. Regular life is gonna make you fat and chronically sick. You might not get the same kind of illnesses your grandparents got, but you're gonna get these kind of chronic illness of inactivity

Starting point is 01:07:29 and over-eating. So you just have to kind of structure in your life. So now it's like you got a schedule time to go to the gym. Otherwise you're not active. Now you have to avoid food, whereas back then it was, you had to find food. Now you have to schedule time to be out in nature without all kinds of shit all around you all the time.

Starting point is 01:07:48 Now you have to have a sleep routine. You didn't have a sleep routine back then. You had to pillow your exhaustive. That's happened. Turn the lights, that went lights. It's the sun that went down. So it's just a totally different, and if you look at places now where people are less obese,

Starting point is 01:08:03 it's because it's built into their life. If you look at, for example, you look at places now where people are less obese, it's because it's built into their life. Like, if you look at, for example, you look at big cities like New York City, San Francisco, people tend to be less obese because modern life there means you're walking more. You know, you look at certain Asian cultures, they have implemented activity into their cultures. So you go to, you see certain Chinese culture, for example implemented activity into their culture. So you go to, you see certain Chinese culture, for example, old people are out doing Tai Chi and movements, and it's just been ingrained in their culture,

Starting point is 01:08:33 and so as a result they have better health. You have to develop the structures, and it has to become behaviors, and that's the only way I was able to, ever able to find long-term success with clients, otherwise it was always short-term success. Next question is from Rosa Steph. How do you know when you should become a personal trainer?

Starting point is 01:08:52 What makes you fit to become a personal trainer? You know, I wrote an article on a blog article on this right here. In fact, I'll make sure that we link it in the show notes. And I wrote the article because there's a lot of people who recently, I've gotten a lot of messages from people who are asking questions like this one. Personal training is a, if you were to place jobs or careers into categories, there would be a category of passion driven careers, artist, musician, you know, chef, personal trainers right there. If you have a deep passion for it, you're

Starting point is 01:09:33 going to be do okay. If you don't, don't become a personal trainer because the money's not going to motivate you. The job is not easy. It's not going to do the job and be like, oh my god, I love hearing people complain about their problems and I love people not doing what I tell them to do and I love hearing the same. It's one of those jobs that you love only if you're passionate about helping people through health and fitness. You gotta be a people person.

Starting point is 01:09:59 If you don't have a passion for helping people through health and fitness, you won't last. And I've had many, many trainers. You could tell why they got the job. Oh, I want to be a trainer because, oh, the schedule seems flexible and it seems like, you know, I heard trainers make a lot of per hour and I'm like, you're not going to make it. I feel like that's hard to say, though, because I also feel like I fell in love with personal

Starting point is 01:10:21 training and became passionate about it. Like it was kind of like this, to be honest, it was a, oh, it'd be kind of a cool job to do. I finished my degree. It was like that. I really thought I was going to go down the physical therapist path and that direction. And I actually didn't even know that you can make any money

Starting point is 01:10:39 being a personal trainer and thought, oh, that's, and then when I found out you could, I was like, oh, that'd be kind of a cool job to do while I'm going to school for this. And I really fell in love with it. I really fell in love with interacting with people and helping other people. And then I also, and today, when I think back some of the things that make me so passionate about what we do is, is honestly a lot of the accountability on myself. I value health and taking care of myself so much that it's awesome that I picked a career

Starting point is 01:11:13 that it's obviously ideal for me to be healthy and fit and in shape if I'm going to be promoting health and fitness. And so for me, that was like where a lot of the passion later on came from was like, oh, this is, I'm a better person, I'm a better human when I'm healthier and fit and taking care of my body.

Starting point is 01:11:33 And because this is where I make my living, it holds me accountable to that. And so, you know, it's hard for me to tell you that you have to have this like deep desire to be. Well, how soon did you feel because you still wanted to help people, you want to be a physical therapist? Yeah, but how soon did you feel like passion for it? Like how long did it take you? It was pretty quick. It was pretty fast.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Like, I mean, right away within the first six months, I was already like working six, seven days a week and even when I wasn't, to me, there was obviously, I enjoyed it a lot because even when I wasn't getting paid, I was still hanging out with the job. Yeah, for me. And so that to me is a good sign that you're in the right place. And if you find yourself reading articles about fitness and the body and nutrition. And you find yourself doing that on off hours because you want to learn or your interests or your yourself, that's always a really good sign

Starting point is 01:12:32 that that's probably a good passion for you. And I think that it's not just personal training that falls with anything that you should pursue. I think that's just good advice in general. What would you do if you didn't need to work? And someone asked me the other day about us in this business and what we're scaling it and potentially could build it to sell it.

Starting point is 01:12:52 And I go, you know, of course, being smart businessmen, I think we're all structuring it to have the potential to sell if it wanted to at one point. But to be honest, if someone asked me, what would you do if you sold this? And I would want to do this. So I think that's what you should be in search of. And if you can ask yourself,

Starting point is 01:13:13 like would you, and I was helping people like work out even when I wasn't fully certified, and I was doing that on my own time. So, I don't know. I think that that's more important. If it's something that you would do more important if you're, if it's something that you would do, even if you weren't getting paid, that's a good sign if, if personal is training for you. It interests you that much.

Starting point is 01:13:33 Well, you know, when, when I do those sales trainings or for trainers, I'll be in a room full of anywhere between 20 to 50 trainers. And the first thing I always say is, you know, you know, raise your hand and tell me the reasons why you became a personal trainer. And it's always something that's related to I love helping people or a love fitness. I almost never had anybody raise your hand and be like, Oh, it's for the money or anything else. It's definitely in the reward, the value, it's almost like you ever talked to a teacher who's been a teacher for a year. Teachers don't make a lot value, it's almost like, you ever talked to a teacher who's been a teacher for a year. Teachers don't make a lot of money.

Starting point is 01:14:08 We know this. You ever talked to a teacher's been a teacher for a long time, you have some, why are you a teacher? You know, you don't make that much money. What is it? I love helping kids. I love teaching children.

Starting point is 01:14:16 It's the same thing. Like the reward I used to get from clients coming to me and being like, you've improved, your guidance has improved my life. You know, and I'm saying in general terms, it was used a more specific, I would feel so good about that. That you could have paid me almost anything

Starting point is 01:14:34 and I would have done it, you know. Yeah, I love it. I mean, it's one of those things. I always loved like PE, for instance, and that's one of those were just being physical and being around it and learning more about the human body and all the intricacies involved with that,

Starting point is 01:14:50 like it's just a constant place for you to learn and grow. And so to be able to then, you know, apply that to somebody else on even on a small level where you feel like you're probably not qualified to do it for a long period of time. But like with a little bit that you do know, you can immediately help somebody. I think that's the appeal of personal training.

Starting point is 01:15:11 It's just like, you could just jump right in and as long as you're keeping everything safe and structured, you can really make a huge impact in somebody's life. It's one of the most, and people sometimes chuckle when I say this, but I'll make the case. It's one of the most, and people sometimes chuckle when I say this, but I'll make the case. It's one of the most exhausting jobs you'll ever do in your entire life, and people think, well, how's it exhausting? You just tell people it won't work out.

Starting point is 01:15:33 You are, when you go to a normal job, you're there, you know, eight hours a day. When you're a personal training, eight clients a day, you are on every minute of that eight hours. You are not break with your buddies, you're not, you are on, you're with your client always. The energy that they give off, it goes inside of you, you know, so you have someone comes, it's not like your clients come to your workouts, always ready to work out and feeling great. Oftentimes they come to you and they're stressed out.

Starting point is 01:16:03 Yeah. Oftentimes they come to you and they don't want to work out and my wife did this, my husband did that, my shoulder hurts, I'm not feeling good. This isn't working, Sal. I'm trying to do the nutrition. I fucked up again. You know, I don't know if I should even work out, whatever.

Starting point is 01:16:16 That's it, all day long. So eight clients in a day, you know what's funny? For personal training, full time is considered 30 hours. For most big box gyms, 30 hours considered full time. That's because it's exhausting. Well, not only that, and if you're really truly doing six to eight clients in a day, that's almost never is that eight straight,

Starting point is 01:16:34 it's normally a block of four and a block of four, a block of six and a block of six. So you're probably there for 12 hours? Yeah, so you're normally there for a lot longer than a normal eight hour shift in order to see that many clients. Now, it's an exhausting job. And to your point, you're normally there for a lot longer than a normal eight-hour shift in order to see that many clients So now it's an exhausting job and to your point you're right Like you you have to be kind of a chameleon you have to be a people person like those things I think are really but as far as the the education and becoming a great trainer

Starting point is 01:16:56 I mean that takes time like I don't think uh I don't think any of us believe that we were great trainers Within the first year or two. I mean it took years and years of experience to get really good at personal training. So if you're excited to learn and you're into it, I think that's important. I think it's important you like people. But as far as being fit to be a personal trainer, like what skill sets or how good you are yet, that doesn't matter as much as your desire to want to be good. Yes, the passion.

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