Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1171: How Squat & Deadlifts "Thicken" the Waistline, the Difference Between Priming & Warming Up, the Benefits of Stability Training & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:39 the guys will make fun of me, but apparently I accidentally got some cool shoes. You can float in nose, right? According to these guys, then we talked about our trip to Santa Barbara to listen to Arthur Brooks talk and interview him. He has now since become one of our favorite, favorite people. Then we talked about the CBD post by one of our friend fitness influencers and why we disagree with it and why full spectrum cannabinoids, in other

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Starting point is 00:01:35 dot com, forward slash mind pump, and you'll get 15% off your first purchase. Then Adam talked about Wrangler Peekaboo, these are new pants that were done online. I hope they were joking. Yeah, you guys gotta watch the commercial. I talked about Wrangler Peacaboo's. These are new pants that were done online. I hope they were joking. Yeah, you guys gotta watch the commercial. I talked about the documentary on Netflix about Beacroom. Wow, that was crazy.

Starting point is 00:01:52 You had no idea about that history. We talked about the cyber truck. Adam and Justin think that it's gonna be a bomb. I think it's gonna be the bomb. Let's see who's right. It is ugly. Then we talked about Apple's new $1 billion facility in Austin, Texas.

Starting point is 00:02:09 That might be a good real estate investment somewhere out there. Let's give everybody ideas. We talked about how Silicon Valley and engineers and entrepreneurs are doing dopamine fasting. I like how they brand everything. Dopamine fasting. I know. We came up with it.

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Starting point is 00:02:58 Here's what we answer the questions. The first question, is there any truth to when people say that squats and deadlifts thicken your waist? So in other words, people say, hey, don't squat or deadlift, it'll make your waist bigger. Ooh, the thickness. Is that correct? Or are they idiots?

Starting point is 00:03:13 Find out in that part of the episode. There it is. Next question, this person wants to know, what's the difference between priming and warming up? So we break that all down. They are similar, but they're definitely not the same. Next question, this person wants to know if there's any benefits to stability training or using tools

Starting point is 00:03:30 like BOSU balls or DINA discs. So we talk about how you can use those for your fitness goals and how not to use them and the circus. And the final question, this person wants to know why so many people who do yoga or why the top like yoga girls look skinny and long and lean and all that stuff like is it the yoga or is there a bit of a self-selecting bias? Also, I want to remind everybody you have four days left. That's it. Four days, maps, performance is 50% off sale, will be ending in four days. You need to act now. If you want to get the fitness workout program

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Starting point is 00:05:20 I bet you came in here thinking that we were going to clown those shoes. Yeah, because I told you that's what I thought. So my brother has these shoes, comes to my house for dinner, and he's like, these are the most, my brother and I are very similar when it comes to shoes. We just care about how nice they feel. You told this story, but we hadn't seen him yet. Yeah, so I tried them on his feet. I took them off because we have the same side shoe.

Starting point is 00:05:41 I took them off, took them off his foot, put them in mine. I'm like, this is amazing. Ordered them, looked at them, and here I'll put it up for the camera. So you can see. Yeah. And I'm like, this is the most, so you got mud tread.

Starting point is 00:05:54 Comfortable shoe ever. And I'm like, I can't wait to come to Mind Pump and just get the shit. Like I knew I was gonna get the shit. Like you're all springy. But what I hear from you is I accidentally got better looking shoes than before. You did. Totally. It's what happens when you don't know what's good or not.

Starting point is 00:06:09 No, no, so I wish the key. I actually, it's funny because in my notes today to bring up on the show, I, because I just, I'd like to bring up like companies to keep an eye on or watch. And one of them is a sneaker company called On, and it's a tennis shoe that you're just happened to be wearing, which is crazy. So weird. Because this was in my notes today to bring up,

Starting point is 00:06:34 and it's because they do about $100 to $200 million a year, but they just sign Roger Federer. So super famous tennis player. Oh, I know that is. Who's got all kinds of ties and connections to Rolex. I love it when I do an athlete. You know what I mean? So he just, he literally just signed with them.

Starting point is 00:06:52 So he, that's gonna be a big deal and a big push coming from him. So I bet we're gonna see those shoes pop up all over the place. And up into this point, I was unfamiliar with the brand. And when you walked in wearing it, I saw the logo of the... So now let me ask you a question. Be totally 100% honest. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:07:11 Let's say you didn't know about cool athlete guys signing with them. I walk in with this, these shoes. Do you talk more shit? In other words, are you being influenced by... Well, the athlete, is that why you're saying they're better? Oh, I wouldn't wear those still. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:27 Well, that's not the question. Yeah, yeah. I think where you went right, I mean, I think they're all black. I think Joe Montana co-signed for fucking sketchers and I still wouldn't. Oh, I think so. Did he really? I think so.

Starting point is 00:07:36 Yeah. Didn't Joe Montana, what are the big or Steve Young? What are the spring soul ones? They're like the shit ones. Yeah. So it had no influence then. No, no. So they're better than the other ones. Well, they're solid black, Yeah. So it had no influence then. No, no. So they're better than the other ones.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Well, they're solid black, right? So you can't go wrong with it. They're a pure, I mean, the soul. And so the soul of it that I'm having a hard time with, you know what it reminds me of? You know those like Styrofoam, like popcorn packing things? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like these glued those on.

Starting point is 00:08:00 I'm taking notes right now. So all black, good. Yes. Yeah, we can. Regardless. Yeah, it's a pretty basic. Yeah, so all black, good. Yes. We can. Yeah, you can't. All black is, yeah, it's a pretty basic. Yeah, and it's a wide looking shoe. So the decent looking shoe, it's not a bad looking shoe.

Starting point is 00:08:11 Again, I probably wouldn't rock those, but it's better than what you were wearing. Oh, man, I'm so disappointed. You were wearing, you were wearing, you were trying to go completely opposite. No, I was just like, this is gonna be great. They're gonna talk so much crap. Gross me.

Starting point is 00:08:22 I can't wait to hear it, and then I'm disappointed. I think it's unbelievable that you're wearing them today, the day that you brought them into wear. Yeah, no, it is weird. Yeah, but maybe that's the sign they're gonna do well, who knows? Maybe. They're gonna dad market, or is?

Starting point is 00:08:36 They just got a free commercial. All over it. Yeah, not really though. You guys are like, they kinda ugly. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I was just like, watch this company. I was gonna tell people, keep an eye on it, see what it does. You have no idea how close I am to buying just Velcro shoes,

Starting point is 00:08:51 because I love, you know, or slippers. I know, you know, the new balance, like Velcro, you know, sole ones. Yeah, that has your name all over it. Yeah, it's like, you're walking on like, you know. I feel like you're avoiding that, just, you know, until, your name all over it. Yeah, it's like it's like you're walking on like, you know, I feel like you're avoiding that Just you know until until you get it down. No, I just haven't made the effort to go find a pair of velcro shoes The second I think about it when I'm out to buy like it the second I'm out to get shoes and I go, oh, yeah

Starting point is 00:09:15 Velcro I'm coming back with a moccasins. Oh, these feel great. Yeah, yeah, hugs for men I dare you, dude. Do they've been, yes, they do. It was like a little thing for a while, though. I got buddies of rock them. I just couldn't, I can't see it. You need your pumpkin chai latte and hugs. Oh, you'll be sad. You'll be sad.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Oh, your Viori sweats tucked into your hugs. Man. Oh, that's a look, son. That keeps all the warmth inside. Yeah, I like that. Super comfy. Dude, you guys have a great time last week. Was it a Thursday, Friday, down in Santa Barbara? Oh, yeah. That was amazing. What an amazing

Starting point is 00:09:51 time, wasn't it? Yeah, great talk. You know, we get there. Man, it was such a profound like talk just to sit and listen to them discuss. So this is the first time this has ever happened to me where so we went down to Santa Barbara to listen to Arthur C. Brooks do a talk on Bishop Barron's Word on Fire channel. And for people who don't know Arthur Brooks, he's a decorated author. He's written some great books. He writes lots of articles. He's a Harvard professor, economist, and social scientist.

Starting point is 00:10:23 Netflix documentary. Yes. It's a Netflix documentary. The pursuit a Harvard professor, economist and social scientist. Netflix documentary. Yes, it's a Netflix documentary. The pursuit, I highly recommend you watch it. Just a brilliant guy. And I personally have become a huge fan of this guy. So a huge fan. So we contact him and he agrees to come on our show. We go down there in order to watch him talk,

Starting point is 00:10:42 which by the way, this talk was so impactful and brilliant, got us emotional several times, and then to interview him. So we go down there, I'm going down as a fan, right? So we're walking into the auditorium. Oh, you guys share this, huh? It's just, it's never happened to me, right? I'm, I'm a huge fan. I walk up, he sees us, yells our name out, comes down, and then proceeds to tell us how

Starting point is 00:11:04 he's been listening to Mind Pump for two years. So weird. It's like, I was like, you listen to our episodes. Yeah. Totally just like ignorant. Oh my God, it didn't even occur to me. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:16 Because I'm a big fan and then to find out he's a fan, I'm like, what? Yeah, are we friends now? Yeah. Let's log. You know what I'm saying? No. It was so remarkable. What a great deal.

Starting point is 00:11:27 No, no, no, no. It was an incredible experience, man. And the crazy part, which I think that trips me out is that we almost didn't go. You know, we were really close to not going. Yeah, our schedule's getting kind of crazy. No, yeah, it's crazy. And that's a long drive.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I mean, we'd drive all the way down to Santa Barbara and it was basically for a night talk and then a Six a six a.m. Interview in the morning. Yeah, and then to get back in the car and drive again I mean, that's just you know 10 hours plus so 10 to 12 hours of driving for a total of Two or three hours worth of work and you know, and before we met him you never know like if this this guy's a big name He's all you know, he's got his own documentaries hung out with the Dalai Lama, he's hanging hangs out with all the presidents. Like, I don't know if he's pretentious. I don't know if he's going to be like, oh, I'm tired

Starting point is 00:12:12 the next day and there's blow us off last minute. Like who we don't know, right? And of course, his assistant, our assistant are court talking back and forth and, you know, they do their job, which is, oh, we're looking forward to the interview. Oh, yeah, us too. And, you know, they do their job, which is, oh, we're looking forward to the interview. Oh yeah, us too. And, you know, so we're getting the emails that are being cc to us and see that, oh, he's, you know, excited for the interview, but that's normal shit. So, you know, we're all kind of questioning whether we should go down or not.

Starting point is 00:12:37 And is it really worth our time to do that? And we were really close. And I remember, Sal, you spoke up and, you know, you said something, I think that that was the final word. It was, you know, hey, at the end of the day, I have spoken. I have spoken. This is the way. And when I say that, I'm new and everybody falls in my way. I've spoken. No, you said something that I think struck home to Justin and I, and I think we all agreed. That's our integrity. our integrity and that was hey at the end of the day We originally committed to coming down to this event. We said we were going to do it like a month or two ago

Starting point is 00:13:13 Before our schedule got crazy and hey if it ends up he we don't have a conversation with him Doesn't work out at the end of the day. It was our word. We said we would be there Therefore we should we should be there. And we also, you're right, you're right, let's do it. Isn't it crazy how when you're presented with, and this is what all the spiritual teachings echo, when you're presented with choices, going with the most honest, truthful option

Starting point is 00:13:42 will result in the best possible outcome. And although sometimes it doesn't seem that way because we don't necessarily see the potential of the downstream effects of things, like, you know, let's say you get confronted by your friend on something that you said about them and you think, well, I'm gonna lie because I can't tell them what I said.

Starting point is 00:14:05 And you feel like that gets you off the hook a little bit. Downstream that will turn into a worse outcome than just being honest or maintaining integrity. And we've learned this lesson, this is like several times now, where we've done that, where we say, okay, this was our word, so let's okay, a lot, we made it, this was our word. So let's stick with it. And boy, am I glad we went down.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah, it's usually the ones where we go back and forth and back and forth. And we're just like wrestling with it for like a couple of days, even. And it just keeps presenting itself back, like right? When we're like, no, I don't think we're going. It's just one more opportunity comes up. It's like you have to pay attention to that. Speaking of integrity, I got tagged on Steffi Cohen's post in regards to CBD. And, you know, here's another

Starting point is 00:14:55 situation where I appreciate, you know, the content that she puts out and for the most part, I think, really good information. But here and for the most part I think really good information But here's another example and I think I've pointed out one of their posts that she did before That I think sometimes just ends up Confusing a lot of people on whether okay is this good or is this bad? I you know because she came out she did a whole thing on CBD and and I agree literally with most everything she's saying, but if you're somebody who is in search of something like this and is it potentially, could it be potentially beneficial for me and is this something that I should use? And then you come across a post like that where she's basically

Starting point is 00:15:39 you know saying it's the you know like we had the the gold rush before and like everybody's just trying to make money off of CBD, which I agree with her. Like I think that's true. I think that there's now we have it in fucking CBD cereal and fucking. We talked about that a couple times. Right. And I think, but that's to me, that's the fitness base. This is what we do with anything.

Starting point is 00:15:56 We find something that has a little bit of science behind it and supports some things. And then we go bananas with it. And then now it's for everything and rub it on your face and do it with this and, oh, it'll help you build muscle and it's good for all these things. And, you know, back to what made me think of this is talking about integrity. I mean, even when we signed with a full spectrum

Starting point is 00:16:21 hemp oil, one of the things that was really important to us was that, we're not going to tell people to take this shit for all these other reasons, but there is definitely a place for it. And I think that, I know personally, lots of people that have benefited greatly from it. Yeah, one, I would say drawback to,

Starting point is 00:16:42 or one weakness that scientists or the academics tend to have is that they tend to discredit anything that isn't clinically proven in a study. So even if the anecdotes are in the thousands or last for thousands of years. So I'll give you a great example. For years, probably hundreds of years, if not more, people have been using honey as a cough suppressant. So if you have a cough, and this was considered an old wives tale by Western scientists for a long time. But for a long time, right?

Starting point is 00:17:27 Your mom got a cold with your mom to make you tea, put some honey in the tea. Is it a wives tale or a wives tale? Wives tale. Like with a V? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Listen, that one of my friends. I'm so glad we can.

Starting point is 00:17:39 We'll keep track of what he's got. I can't get rid of all these. Soon, I won't have a library anymore. It's an old wives tale. Hey, so guys, listen. It was with some honey and anything. It kind of works too, you know what I'm saying? It does.

Starting point is 00:17:52 The wives guy. I decided to ask. Okay, sorry, continue. For a long time, you know, and when I was a kid, if I had a cough, my mom would do that. She'd put it in hot tea or whatever, give it to me, or give me a spoonful of it, and I'd drink it. And Western medicine and scientists,

Starting point is 00:18:05 Western scientists are like, that's silly, old wives tale, doesn't do anything to help you. Even though thousands of antidotes said that it helped, people had personal experiences. And if you go back long enough, you see that it's been used by cultures that way. So eventually when it ends up happening,

Starting point is 00:18:23 as studies come out to show that there's a compound in honey. There's actually a compound in honey that does have cough suppressing effects. And now why is this, why is this important to remember? Because what it does is it actually makes scientists and Western scientists look stupid because they stay, they stay, they sink their heels into the ground, they make this absolute statement. Um, it doesn't do anything, even though there's all this anecdote, then the study- study finally comes out to support it, and then people stop trusting scientists. Do you know what the studies said on anabolic steroids

Starting point is 00:18:57 up until the early 90s? You couldn't find any of this said that they built muscle. You know what they said? All the weight gain came from water retention. And athletes were like, yeah, right, dude, laughing their asses off. This is true. This is true until the 80s and 90s, when people would come on and debate

Starting point is 00:19:13 and oblique steroids, you had people saying, well, athletes take them because they work and then you had scientists go, well, the studies show that it's just water retention. That's where the weight gain comes from. So, you know, there's no real muscle gain or whatever from it or whatever. Silly. So now you know, there's no real muscle gain or whatever from it or whatever. Silly.

Starting point is 00:19:25 So now here we are with CBD, and I'll extend it to say cannabinoids, okay? The anecdotes are plenty. There's a, in fact, the anecdotes are what drove more studies. The science, the reason why now you can buy, you know, medicine that CBD that's actually prescribed. Well, way before any of this became super popular in our space, I mean, this is actually

Starting point is 00:19:50 what connected you and I. That is. I mean, before my pump ever existed, I was in the medical marijuana field. We were seeing anywhere between 200 to 300 patients every single day between the two facilities. And I have got hundreds and hundreds of maybe thousands over the course of two years of people coming back and saying how amazing that CBD was for them and how much it had helped specific cases. And so I was incredibly fascinated with what we were

Starting point is 00:20:22 learning about it. At the same time, I was talking and communicating with you, and you had been doing all the same similar research because your mother-in-law was going through a battling cancer. So that's, and when we first got into this space before it became popular and before everybody was throwing it in their fucking cereal and oils and everything else to combine it,. We were talking about the application of that and there are a group of people that it's extremely beneficial to. There's a lot of people that look, again,

Starting point is 00:20:51 the anecdotes actually drove the science. You can now buy medicine at Budaelex, for example, that is CBD based that dramatically reduces the seizures in forms of epilepsy that some children will have that are absolutely devastating. Now that research would never happen if it wasn't for the massive amounts of anecdotes, the repairants who were finding that it worked were moving to Colorado to get these high CBD strains of cannabis and giving it to the kids against scientists and doctors wishes

Starting point is 00:21:20 and saying, this fucking works, then finally companies were like, wait a minute, there's enough here. Let's look at the rest, let's study this and whatever. Now, here's what the studies show. The studies show that cannabinoids work better together. Okay, so when you isolate cannabinoids, you're going to get not as good of effects as when you combine them in what's known as the entourage effect. Now, this is documented.

Starting point is 00:21:41 And anecdotes will say this as well. When you talk to people who just take pure CBD versus people who take CBD with other cannabinoids, whether it includes THC or not, you tend to hear, oh, this one works much better. Here's the other thing. And this is, I think, why a lot of the academics, and you know, Stephanie Cohen,

Starting point is 00:21:59 this is not our expertise anyway. You know, you don't have an expertise, neither do I, but I can guarantee you I've done more research on this subject than most people in the fitness space because I had a family, again, a family member who was suffering from cancer for over a year and a half, and I dived very, very, very deep, actually interviewed scientists on my own, did all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:22:22 But here's the thing, I know why it sounds crazy, because you have people coming forward saying, can Abinoids help my migraines? Can Abinoids help PMS? Can Abinoids help me with my pain? Can Abinoids help me with depression? Can Abinoids help me with anxiety? And you think to yourself, this sounds like snake oil.

Starting point is 00:22:38 Right. How can it possibly help all these different things? And I get that. I do think that there's a large percentage of people that have the. I do think that there's a large percentage of people that have the placebo effect, or maybe there's a large percentage of people who are just trying to get high or whatever. I get that.

Starting point is 00:22:51 But when you actually look at the mechanisms, the cannabinoids, the receptors that cannabinoids attach to, and there's two that we've identified. There's CB1 and CB2 receptors. These are the most among the most abundant G-protein coupled receptors in the body. These are the type of receptors that pharmaceutical companies target because they're easy to target and they tell the cell to do something. So they sit on top of the cell, you target this with a medication, it hits this receptor

Starting point is 00:23:22 and then the cell does something. So it's like a, it's a favorite target of pharmaceutical companies. Well, so far, the cannabinoid receptors are among the most abundant. They're everywhere. So now you, now it makes sense. Like they're all in the digestive system,

Starting point is 00:23:37 nervous system, bones. And so now it's like, oh, okay, it could potentially affect a wide range of things. And we have a cannabinoid system in our bodies for a reason. There's a reason why we have them. Now here's another thing that we want to consider. This is something that's new science. There's some theories right now that state that maybe there are deficiencies in some people

Starting point is 00:23:59 in producing their own cannabinoids. Who knows why that happens? It could be lifestyle, genetic, or combination of the two. Well, if you have deficiencies of cannabinoids, and we know what cannabinoids, our own bodies, cannabinoids do, they affect our moods, our motivation, sleep, they can affect, you know, our sex drive, they can affect,

Starting point is 00:24:19 and they have a role in the inflammatory process in the body. If you're deficient, if your body's not producing these cannabinoids, it could show up in a wide range or way of a wide range of symptoms. So perhaps the reason why some people get such great benefits from using things like Ned's hempoil or marijuana or other cannabinoid type products, maybe because these

Starting point is 00:24:46 some people are producing low amounts, and we don't know why this may happen, of their own cannabinoids. So then it makes sense that supplementing it with a phyto cannabinoid, which attaches to the same receptors, would have positive effects on these people. And it's also maybe why giving cannabinoids the people who already have abundant endocannabinoids. It's a deal, nothing. May not get that big of a deal or a difference from it. So yes, the science is emerging.

Starting point is 00:25:11 And that's where I agree with Stephanie. And I also agree with her that there's a lot of marketers that are post-workout, pre-workout, that's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You go into your point, like most doctors or anybody else is gonna have a title behind their name. They're going to be more conservative about it because they want to wait

Starting point is 00:25:29 because they want to put their license out there on the line with the information that they're providing. So it's like, it feels a lot like they get their hands tied until like the big study kind of proves, you know, it's worth where, you know, there's so many, so much anecdotal information out there of people like having success with it. But I feel like where, you know, there's so many, so much anecdotal information out there of people like having success with it, but I feel like that science,

Starting point is 00:25:48 a lot of times really drags behind substantially. It does because they need, they have certain criteria and parameters, which I get, we need that too, we need that balance. But sometimes it's frustrating as shit, like even till now, even till this day, you talk to a lot of experts in skin health, talk to people like doctors who work with skin lots of, and you tell them, hey, does diet

Starting point is 00:26:13 can diet give somebody acne? No. They'll say no. And it makes me, it makes like, No, at least acknowledge it. That's what's frustrating to me. It's like you have to at least acknowledge these people are getting results. You don's frustrating to me. It's like, you have to at least acknowledge these people are getting results. You know, you don't have to like put your stamp on it, but it's like, people are experiencing some things like this. Dude, when Leaky Gut Syndrome was coined, the term was coined by wellness practitioners.

Starting point is 00:26:38 These weren't scientists. They were just wellness practitioners, and they came up with this theory of leaky gut syndrome. They were laughed at and mocked. They were laughed at and mocked. How can you be so like adamant? You don't know. Now there's a medical term for it. It's like I think it's something like intestinal wall hyperpermeability. You know what that means? Leaky gut. Same thing. But they were literally laughed at. When people were, when wellness practitioners were saying, the microbiome is very important to your health,

Starting point is 00:27:11 they were laughed at. They were laughed at. Now, so I'm not saying that the, I think, again, I think you have to look at the tools for the job and Western practices and scientists. I mean, you can't replace them, I think they're brilliant. And if you had to pick one form of medicine, or one form of testing, whatever, that is the gold standard. However, the one weakness that they have is they anecdote to them, doesn't count.

Starting point is 00:27:37 Even if it's, you go to Chinese medicine and they prescribe herbs for things, and Western scientists will say, that herb doesn't work for that. And the Chinese practitioners have a 2000 year old record of using it exactly for that. You can't discredit that. There's something to that, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah, definitely. On a very less serious note, Justin Tagby on a post that maybe one of my favorite commercial posts that I've seen in a long time. And that was the Saturday Night Live spoof of the Wrangler jeans. Oh, gross. Well, Ferrell was on Saturday Night Live

Starting point is 00:28:10 and they came with this commercial. Cause it's so great, cause it's like, Hey, men have not had something for us. But cleavage. Right, for the boob cleavage that girls get, why, where do we get something like that? And they came up with Picaboo jeans.

Starting point is 00:28:29 Picaboo, Picaboo Wrangler jeans. Yeah. They have all kinds of different styles. You know, I wish, I wish we had dug in here right now so I could have him look this up because I'm actually curious if Wrangler, obviously they used Wrangler's name like that. They had to, they had to agree to it.

Starting point is 00:28:43 They had to agree to it, right? They had to play somewhat of a part in that. So, you know know kudos to them for having a sense of humor to have some fun It doesn't that right doesn't that highlight though. It's a joke. I know it's a joke obviously But doesn't that highlight the difference between men and women like yeah if for a man to get a woman's attention Wearing more revealing clothes really than doing it Yeah, but I don't know like the gay community might be all about that Yeah, what's I mean? It's like, yeah, that's how men are like very visual.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Like, oh yeah. That's what I mean. That's the difference between men and women. Like if you go to a party, let's say you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to a party. I wanna get like, woman's attention. You're not gonna go in there with like, like a little bit of a half shirt,

Starting point is 00:29:21 or you know what I mean? Like low-rise jeans. Most women would like to be like, that guy's a weirdo. What's funny, because I told you guys like the story of how me and Courtney met and like the first time like I was assessing her and all that and I go to bed over to pick something up

Starting point is 00:29:32 and I totally had butt crack. And she tells everybody how like repulsed she was. I'm like, keep stop telling that story. You know, like it's she had like there was nothing there. You still want to roll? I know, I give you the rub. I'm starting to recount all these like first time I gotta talk to Courtney about this. Oh, yeah, the shit in the bathroom the first time you guys had sex I love that's now the butt crack plumbers crack. Oh, how the fuck did you get?

Starting point is 00:29:56 I survived yeah, you must have closer you must have laid it down. Well, you must have laid it down I got skills otherwise I would not yeah, I would not be here today. Dude, you guys got to watch the documentary on Netflix about Beacroom. Did you guys see the commercial? So I heard all about this and I read up on it when a lot of these allegations were coming out about this guy, this guru that came up.

Starting point is 00:30:18 But I was so excited to watch it yet. And you watched it ahead of me. Dude, this guy is, so Beacroom, that's his name. He's the guy that invented beacroom yoga. Oh, he invented it. He invented hot yoga. That's where you do yoga. And there's a series of, I think, 26 poses.

Starting point is 00:30:33 They're done in a particular order. They're in a hot room or whatever. This guy made hundreds of millions of dollars training teachers on how to do it. But you gotta watch the documentary because he was such, he is literally the... Did he manipulate the shit that a woman like crazy, right? Well, he's the picture perfect.

Starting point is 00:30:50 You know that all of the characteristics of cult leaders, you know, super charismatic, highly narcissistic, a little bit crazy, and then the thing that always blows me away with these cult leaders is not the cult leader, it's always all the fucking people that follow him, even against their own reason. That's what happened this whole time. As you're watching him, do this stuff and there's videos of him teaching classes and he's saying stuff like,

Starting point is 00:31:13 hey you suck your fat belly and you bitch, suck it in, you know what, chill like that. And why are these people sitting here? What? Yeah dude, that's how you talk to his class. He teaches class in these little speedos and he go and then he'd like be really sexually inappropriate with a lot of women and raped one woman.

Starting point is 00:31:31 And yeah, he's on the lamb now. He actually took off. He's in Mexico because he comes back to the U.S. He's got to pay like $1.7 million and maybe under criminal charges. But the fast thing apart about this whole documentary is as I'm watching it, because it was like one part where, because these people followed him like he was a god. And even the women that are talking about how he abused them, they still talk about him like he's some,

Starting point is 00:31:55 oh dude, it's crazy. It's Doc Holmes in your room. Oh dude, one woman was like, she was one of his students, one of his pupils and she followed him around and she stayed at their house and one night they were watching this movie and he grabbed her head and sort of kissing her

Starting point is 00:32:09 and she kind of pushed away and then he did it again. And then she went in the kitchen, he followed her, raped her, then he goes back and sits down in front of the movie and she kisses him good night. She says good night and she goes back and I'm like, he just raped you. Like what? It's crazy how that cold didn't even process it.

Starting point is 00:32:26 It's weird. It's really weird. I just remember something that I want to ask you, and I know that I'm not the big political guide stuff, but I know I'm sure you've been paying attention. You got to tell me what you think about Michael Bloomberg of putting his hat in the ring. Ooh, boy.

Starting point is 00:32:42 That's the big. He used to be a conservative, is that true? He's a Democrat. He's been one for a little while. Obviously, a billionaire. He says he's going to run as a Democrat. And I have a lot of thoughts about this. One, if he were the nominee as a Democrat, I think he would pose the biggest challenge to Trump, because he could

Starting point is 00:33:06 go toe to toe. And now your theory on that is because of his pull, that he just, he's got a lot of charisma too. He's got the power, the money, and he's, he could sit there and fire back. The thing about Trump is if you get on stage with him, there's very few people that he won't bully. You know what I mean? And make him look kind of like, he'll make them, like he did this with Hillary,

Starting point is 00:33:30 he made her break a couple times and you could tell. And it just makes them look weak. And when you're electing a leader, you don't want your, you want to look strong. The other person can't break you. Toasty Gabbard from the Democrats, I think would also pose that threat to Trump. She was a, she's a veteran, military veteran.

Starting point is 00:33:49 She's a badass. Yeah, you've talked about her before. She seems calm. I think he would try to push her around. She could pull up the fact that she served in war and he dodged it and that would make him look like a pussy or whatever. They will never have her as a nominee. The Clintons in in fact, seem to

Starting point is 00:34:06 be totally anti-hero, or whatever. Bloomberg, I think, could do the same thing. Here's the problem. I don't think that the dams will give them the nomination. He's just another billionaire, white guy. He's like the enemy, even though he says he's a Democrat. So like their whole strategy of being anti-wealthy, powerful billionaire, powerful billionaire, I don't know if their base would even vote for her. Who's, I mean, are they really still pushing like Bernie, or who's their main like a hulk in her into the race? It's too early to say, but I think Biden,

Starting point is 00:34:37 Biden, yeah, I think Biden will probably get it. And that's why Trump's going after him, you know, now because he knows that. But if, so here's my other theory, if Bloomberg doesn't get the nomination, because he pledged to spend $150 million of his own dollars to make this happen. So money's not an issue for this guy, right? I don't think he'll get the nomination. I don't think that, and the Democrats, if they don't want you to win,

Starting point is 00:35:01 if their main, if their top brass doesn't want you to win, you're fucked. Like, yeah, we're having a Bernie. Yeah, what they did with a Bernie last time, I was hilarious. Crazy. Totally slimy. So if Bloomberg doesn't win the norm and decides to run third party, that is a wrench. And the whole who knows what could happen because I definitely think they can't win that. Never. I just it'll divide all the votes up. That's it. Now will he pull more from the Democrats?

Starting point is 00:35:27 Of course he would. Because he's already came out leaning that way, right? Or will he make sense that he would? Or will he pull more from Trump? Because Trump is abrasive as shit. He's got a very strong base that vote from no matter what. But there's a lot of people that vote for Trump because they don't want a Democrat to win.

Starting point is 00:35:42 Yeah. And they kind of, you know, they're like, I don't want to talk about those people. Yeah. So, and could bloom, I mean, who knows, you know, but this is crazy. Interesting, huh? Yeah, it's going to be, when will it really, I mean, it's already starting to kick up, but it will, it will start kicking up at the, at what the end of this year to beginning

Starting point is 00:35:57 them next year. Yeah. When we really see it ramp up. The closer we get, the more money, the more intensity that you're going to start, you know, bringing up and that that's gonna start coming up. This is gonna be a very interesting one. It seems like the past few elections have gotten, I mean, here's the thing too.

Starting point is 00:36:13 Every election they tell you is the fucking most important one. This one's the most important. If we don't get our guy, the world's gonna end. They're always gonna say that. They say every time. And then they always say this, this is the worst election. This is the most mudsling. This is the worst. Dude, you know what, though? I've done my research on history. They used to fucking fight, like fist fight. They used to actually print articles about each other, calling each other names, like, yeah, like you're a pussy

Starting point is 00:36:41 and he's a, you know, whatever. Like they used to do shit like that back then. I don't think it's any different ways. It's always been, you know. I got a he's a, you know, whatever. Like they used to do shit like that back then. I don't think it's any different way. It's always been, you know? I got a story, I got a share with the audience of our trip to down, I forgot about this. We were down South, right? And so normally when we travel somewhere, we stay in a hotel room if we're not in like a VRBO

Starting point is 00:36:58 or whatever, or Airbnb. Justin and I typically room together because we like our room below 50 degrees and Doug and Sal stay together. Well, that night before we go and do our interview, Justin and I are up watching TV and that was the launch of the new cyber truck. So Justin and I obviously have similar tastes. We both actually drive a similar truck currently right now. And we're like, what a fucking piece of shit. That is the ugly, I would never fucking drive that we're talking shit about it.

Starting point is 00:37:31 Then they do the whole, they throw the metal ball against it. It's supposed to be shatter, proof the fucking window shatter. So it's total disaster. And so we're talking shit about it all night and into the morning. Well, we go do our interview, we do everything. And then we're in the car, we're driving home back from our talk with Arthur Brooks

Starting point is 00:37:48 and Sal Pipe's and he goes, dude, did you guys see that? That's cyber truck, that shit is badass, I would totally drive that. It just and I will go. Of course you knew it, of course you were. First of all, did you see this video of doing the tug of war with the F-150? No, I didn't know.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Oh, I didn't get past it's up-a-hast look. It pulled the F-150 up a hill. As the F-150 is burning out, couldn't even touch it. The zero to 60 on that thing, the toe capacity, the fucking steel. Well, electric motors, I mean, I'm sure that's built, like the torque is there. For no, let's work on the design

Starting point is 00:38:26 Yeah, it is kind of an important thing The fire the memes that came out of the next day looks like a Delorean. Oh, it's so hilarious Like a four-year-old drew it like he's like he posted the Delorean in the Aztec or whatever Right that Pontiac out of that ugly ass like like like the Azte whatever. Totally. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you guys. It's a style that's a little hard to whatever, but... Well, it's just, here's the shoes. The truck market is, like, people expect it to look like a truck. You know, you're not gonna get like all these like cowboys and farmers out there

Starting point is 00:38:57 with a fucking moon sled. So we're debating in arguing, right? Once we started making fun of it, Sal was defending the side of it, right? And that was, listen, if you're trying to go after the largest market in the country, which is the truck market, you auto appeal to your number one customer, which is your farmer, ranch owner,

Starting point is 00:39:18 you know, who's driving it with his cows and his horses. Yeah, middle America. And I'm telling you right now, that appeals to the Silicon Valley sales that are like never owned a truck in their life before. This will be their first truck they buy because it sounds cool or it looks cool and spacey. Well, so here's the deal.

Starting point is 00:39:34 Okay, so when he first launched Tesla, I remember this, probably the riskiest market you could possibly enter in America is the automobile market. The one's the last time a new automobile company succeeded. Yeah, no, who makes Kia? Sumerator? Yeah, it's not a.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Oh, Toyota's making Kia. No, there's another. It's Kia by itself. I don't think Kia is by itself. Yeah, it's Kia. Anyway, Kia and Hyundai were your last two big ones that made it. They came in the market.

Starting point is 00:40:02 It's very, very difficult. There's a whole right there. That's it. I was just asking for a whole. You're right, that's a yes. I was just, you asked for a question. He comes out with an electric car, but when the only electric car option was the Prius, that was another one. Was a Prius.

Starting point is 00:40:13 He comes out with Tesla and crushes it, does very, very well. I don't know, man, and here's the thing. And remember, this company Tesla, it's more like a tech company. It's the consumers are, it's very, very different. They need to iterate. It's very, very different now.

Starting point is 00:40:28 Also, the way they designed the truck was to make the manufacturer of it cheap and fast. In fact, you're looking at an insane electric vehicle with a 300 mile, whatever, under $40,000. See, it's nothing, does it make sense? That's crazy. Do you know how many orders they got in the first two days? No.

Starting point is 00:40:46 $14 million. Boom. $14 million. $14 million. So what's the holding? Like, how much money do you put up to like, preserve one? A hundred bucks. Really?

Starting point is 00:40:56 Do you put a hundred bucks to preserve? Did you see the quad that you can get that goes in the back? No. They have an electric quad. No, I saw that, but that was really something comes with it. That comes with it. You have to buy the truck, then you can get the, you can get electric quad. No, I saw that, but that was really something comes with it. That comes with it. You have to buy the truck, then you can get the quad.

Starting point is 00:41:08 See, I like Tesla, I like the innovation, I like all that. I just like, again, they need to come out with another one because that's not going to appeal to me. So here's what I, here's my theory. I agree with you guys. I think it's a very bold kind of crazy style. I think it could go either way. But the second celebrities start driving it

Starting point is 00:41:25 if that happens, it's gonna be fucking cool. Watch what happens. Because remember, look at the Prius, ugly, you have to talk. For Dorks who care about like, you know, Mark Wahlberg's driving. He has to say, not middle America bro. Not middle America.

Starting point is 00:41:38 We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. We'll see, you know, we're recording this podcast. We'll see what happens. We're recording this podcast. We'll see the results. I mean, how long do you get? How long's your window? I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

Starting point is 00:41:50 I'm not gonna argue with you. I don't know what we're gonna look like in 2030. You know what I'm saying? It could be 2040, it could be radically different than we were at. But because I remember two Tesla came out. Their first model was like ugliest hell. And then they kept like improving on it. Then they came out with some pretty good looking cars.

Starting point is 00:42:05 Yeah, we'll see, dude. We'll see. I'll give it, I'd say. I hope. Let's wait until it comes out, right? Then we'll know for sure. Right, right. If it was like a failure or a success.

Starting point is 00:42:14 Well, I don't know. Speaking of big companies and money, did you guys see what Apple over in Austin, $1 billion dollar facility they're building? Oh. It's starting off with 5,000 employees. They projected to get up to 15,000 employees in it. You know this is, did you see Trump campaigning

Starting point is 00:42:30 all around it too? No. Oh, you didn't see that? So there's a lot of like, of course, each side that are, you know, Trump's like, look what I did, you know. Oh, he's taking credit for it. Yes, because of the tariffs. So, and they, and they, and Apple was gonna be like.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Seriously. Right, so him and, you know, him and Cooker, like, are, they're, they're in cooots, you know, they're friends and stuff, right? Okay. So that was, so all part of this, like, okay, we're gonna do these tariffs. So you, and, and I think Apple has like thousands,

Starting point is 00:42:56 tens of thousands of employees overseas that work on a lot of products. And part of the tariffs obviously is going to directly fuck Apple. And this is kind of their way of saying, okay, we're going to open this. Now, of course, the left is already the other side is like, okay, 15,000 employees in the grand scheme of things is nothing. Apple's got hundreds of thousands of employees supposedly. Some ridiculous. But a terrible argument. I know, I know. I know.

Starting point is 00:43:20 I'll fuck those 15,000 people. It's nothing. Right at the end of the day. Is that the argument? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of the argument outside. It's saying it drop in the bucket and comparison to everything they're doing over there by today. That's another major campus they have. Yeah, huge states. So it's, maybe Doug can look at the square footage on it.

Starting point is 00:43:37 The square, it's massive. Dude, I would, I would, I mean, that's cool. Property in Austin, that would, that might be a good investment. Of course, you know, because, I said, no, Brainer, that's cool. Property in Austin, that might be a good investment. Of course, you know, because- I said no, Brainer, it's supposed to be finished by 22, I think I read, double check, me maybe, double up that up.

Starting point is 00:43:53 Austin's a great town too. What a great town. I mean, I could see, that's the one place I would move to. You know, out of, I'd agree. I know we all liked it, I love it there. But I thought that was really interesting that they are doing that. I love it there. But I thought that was really interesting that they were doing that. I read the article and then I went down

Starting point is 00:44:08 the YouTube rabbit hole of both left and right. Because what happens when I read an article like that, I find it interesting. I go search the people that are countering it, talking shit about it. Three million square foot campus. Yeah. Three million square feet.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Wow. That's fucking. That is massive. So speaking of Silicon Valley always does crazy things like in terms of, so look at the keto diet. Now everybody's doing keto. Now everybody's doing this shake in order to stay at the desk and all this. So I guess the latest is dopamine fasting.

Starting point is 00:44:38 Oh, I've heard of this. Have you heard of this? It's basically just, it's no caffeine. No sex. Yeah, no stimulants, no technologies is the big one. So like they're fasting from phone, social media, like everything. Just literally drinking water and then working. So it's how you height will, they're not working. I just say, yeah, it's gotta be, it's gonna be no dopamine like it's. So this is actually, I mean, this is so funny

Starting point is 00:45:07 how they brand dopamine fasting. This is a, yeah. It works. We've been saying digital wellness. I know. No, it works. I mean, if the more exposed you get to dopamine, the more receptors get down regulated,

Starting point is 00:45:19 the more you become tolerant to it. So you build up a tolerance. It makes perfect sense. You go off into the woods. In no electronics, meditate, don't drink no coffee, do this for a few days. When you come back, of course, you're going to be on foot. There's a thing, they always go to the full extreme, like everything, you know, at once, you know, for a few, like it's always about that, and instead of just like making boundaries and doing like a couple of these like healthy parts.

Starting point is 00:45:41 Because they're always individually. They're always trying to figure out shortcuts and hacks. Well, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a positive move in the right direction. It is. I think for someone like us who have been putting the message out of the importance of digital wellness, I think it's a step

Starting point is 00:45:55 in the right direction for them to, whether they brand it their own call. At least it's awareness, right? Yeah, yeah, right. People are, which we, I mean, I think it was inevitable. This was heading this way. I mean, there's enough information now that we're like, okay, and are, which we, I mean, I think it was inevitable this was heading this way. I mean, there's enough information now that we're like, okay, and even having somebody

Starting point is 00:46:08 like near come on and kind of counter the irresistible message that I had been talking about for two years, although I love that interview and I agree a lot with what he's saying. I also still think that, you know, people need to put some parameters around that. People are still very susceptible to it and getting hooked.

Starting point is 00:46:25 And there's a lot of people that were just naively going into it and putting your kids in front of at a very young age and not thinking twice about it or not limiting them when you're, and those things need to be put in place for sure. Hey, I wanted to bring something up to you guys. Have you guys been getting a lot of messages

Starting point is 00:46:40 from people who did the gut health course from NCI? Oh, I love it, dude. People are really, and he's still doing it, right? Yes. I mean, that's phenomenal. This is a full-on course. I've seen a ton of trainers that are signed up for that. If you're a trainer and you're listening to the show and you're not, I mean, if you're

Starting point is 00:47:00 not a trainer, you just want to learn about gut health. It's a $600 course that he's giving away for free until I don't know when. Yeah. I know that. I think this is the, I think he's running it till the end of this month, and then I think they're transitioning out of that, but that's something specific for mind-pump listeners that they are doing. And I know we've already had a huge turnout. He's told me they've gotten a ton of people come through and they've got a ton of great feedback. I've already gotten a bunch of DMs around it. And listen, if you're somebody who, 100% if you're a fitness or a health professional or a practitioner, you'd be silly not to take advantage of this free course.

Starting point is 00:47:35 And if you're just a normal person who wants to learn more about, you don't have to be a certified trainer to go through this course. It's an online digital course. It's absolutely free. It's something that NCI is doing for MindPomp, it's something that we worked out with our partnership and relationship with them. I'm super excited and happy with what we've seen so far. Excellent.

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Starting point is 00:48:22 First question is from Eric Rich, any truth to squats and deadlifts, thickening the waistline. This is one of those, why do you do the myths? Yeah, that's thickening. That is really hurt a lot of people's progress. There's a few things that get promoted in the fitness space and the health space that cause a lot of problems.

Starting point is 00:48:44 Now, there is a little bit, okay, and I'm going to say this is the grain assault, a little bit of truth to this in the sense that when you're doing a heavy exercises that require a lot of core stability, you do work and build somewhat the muscles of the core. Now, how much are you going to add to your waist? Nothing perceptible. What's going to end up happening is you're going to feel tighter in the waist. This was something that was told that bodybuilders have been selling for a long time. But the thing you got to consider with bodybuilders is the amount of drugs that they're on, the amount of muscle that they build. For them, and a lot of them get these big guts because of some of the hormones they get on anyway.

Starting point is 00:49:25 And I think a lot of them place blame on dead lifts and squats. This is largely a myth. And it's caused a lot of people not to do it. And I was taking all the steroids and I was dead lifting and squatting like crazy. And I have one of the nastiest V-tapers. It has 95 plus percent to do with your genetics.

Starting point is 00:49:44 If you have a good hip to shoulder ratio and you pile on muscle on your shoulders and your back from doing dead lifts and overhead pressing and squatting and you'll end up still with the same ratio to your way. So even if you did put on a little bit of muscle there, you're going to also put it on the back so much that it's gonna look the same. It's so silly to me that this message has been perpetuated into the masses. And it really only, I guess if I was a competitor that the amount of dead lifting and squatting that I would do in comparison to a lot of the other work would be wouldn't be like the average person. So my average client, I'm telling them that I want them deadlifting and squatting every single week. Maybe if I'm a competitor, I'm less concerned about

Starting point is 00:50:36 watching my deadlifter, my squat go up 200 to 300 pounds and becoming a great squat or a deadlifter. I want to get some of the, reap some of the benefits from it, but maybe it's not something I'm training two, three times a week, like most people, or like a lot of our programs that we have for the average person. It's so funny because the average person is looking to work out to get leaner,

Starting point is 00:51:00 boost their metabolism, improve their health and mobility, and build some muscle. So when you're squatting and deadlifting and you combine that with a good diet, you're going to get leaner and then you're going to build some muscle. How much muscle are you going to gain around your waist? Maybe? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:51:16 Not even a quarter inch. How much inches are you going to lose off your waist by getting leaner? A lot. A lot. I mean, most of us, especially men, store a lot of our body fat around our waist. So what you're gonna do is you're gonna take out two of the most effective exercises known to trainers and coaches, squats and deadlifts

Starting point is 00:51:37 for fear that you're gonna thicken your waist when really get leaner. That makes all the difference. That's what's gonna shrink. Not only that, but like how much deadlifting and squatting does for the glutes and the glutes are part of that will give us that hourglass and that V-taper look. So you develop the major muscles more. I focus on that. Right. So, you know, you're going to think your hips, your hips are here and then your waist is up here and by deadlifting and squatting, you you're gonna build the butt and the glutes

Starting point is 00:52:06 a lot more than skipping those exercises to do things like, what, kick backs, walking lunges, leg press, other inferior movements to cut when it comes to building your glutes. So you're gonna eliminate those in fear of a little bit that your obliques may build from doing the deadlift is is my brain literally short circuits. I just don't, I don't fucking get it.

Starting point is 00:52:29 I don't get it. If you're trying to build muscle, you're trying to build muscle. You're trying to get stronger. You have to be able to support your upper body and you know, what are we doing here? Like what? 100% for the bodybuilding community. I mean, that's to the point where men

Starting point is 00:52:42 are wearing waist trainers. You have men that are working out. She's the equivalent to a boob job. community. I mean, that's to the point where men are we're wearing waist trainers, right? You have men that are working out. She's the equivalent to a boob job, right? You have that. No, it's worse. No, it's worse. You're actually losing stability and muscle and causing yourself. You're accurately increasing. Yeah. Yeah. You're should take you wanting a sake of vanity is my point. It's like you're wearing a cast. And we haven't just, we haven't, I don't know, it's been a long time actually. This was something we hammered a lot and probably the first like 300 episodes and we haven't circ, I don't know, it's been a long time actually. This was something we hammered a lot in probably the first like 300 episodes.

Starting point is 00:53:06 And we haven't circled back around to this in a long time. And I know we have obviously a much larger audience today than back then. The, this come, this is why they wear these waste trainers. So the male and the female, it's like a corset. Yeah, it's a court. They wear this corset around their waist. And the reason why there's before and after pictures that show it working, and then people measuring it, look, I lost two inches on it, is because you've lost, you've killed

Starting point is 00:53:30 the muscles. The same idea that somebody, if you were to break your arm and you put it in a cast for six months or whatever the time frame you normally wear a cast after a broken arm, and you cut open the cast, what is your left arm that had the cast on, look like Comparity Right Arm? It looks like a noodle. I mean, you lost all the muscle on there. That's what you're doing to your waist. Now, for somebody who is, I guess, 100% stuck

Starting point is 00:53:56 on the vanity of what I need to look like on stage to win, try and win a trophy, and this creates the illusion of a better hip to waist ratio and shoulder to waist ratio. And that's all you give a shit about. I guess maybe these are steps that you can take. But if you're the fucking average person, this is the stupidest and most ridiculous thing. I think it's stupid for those people to do it.

Starting point is 00:54:20 I think it's even more stupid and ridiculous for the average person to be doing this because what you're compromising. I know, I know young lady that because she wore these, these waist trainers, because they encourage you to wear them all day or sleep with them. And this is how the muscle shrink, because you're, the corset is stabilizing your body, the muscles now. Like a cast. Like a cast.

Starting point is 00:54:40 She actually had a blockage in her intestines because it's so tight. And it caused problems, had to go and get surgery, which completely ruined her aesthetics or whatever the looks. This, the obsession with shrinking the waist is one of the worst obsessions ever in the fitness space. Now, yes, it's true. It is, you know, somebody who's lean is gonna have a nicer hip to waist ratio for women or a waist to shoulder ratio in men. That's true.

Starting point is 00:55:12 But going to the extent of hurting yourself, damaging your body, or preventing yourself from becoming more fit, strong, and healthy in order to achieve this illusion, it doesn't look better in real life. It really doesn't. better in real life. It really doesn't. If you look at, pull up some pictures,

Starting point is 00:55:28 because this obsession happened in the 100, 200 years ago, where women were wearing actual corsets and causing lots of problems and back problems and they had these tiny little waist or whatever. Do you know what these women look like with these corsets off? If you were standing in front of your naked, it wouldn't look good, looks bad.

Starting point is 00:55:45 Doesn't look good on a man either. So like to have this obsession to create this illusion, you actually don't look any better. All you gotta do is get lean, get lean, whatever your waist size is based on your genetics is what it is. Build the muscles, you have this nice, strong, stable physique in real life that will make,

Starting point is 00:56:03 that will make your body's potential. And please, God, do not eliminate squats and deadlifts for the other reason. Next question is from BR Porter 23. What is the difference between priming and warming up? Major difference. One specific, the other one is nameless. Yeah, one is just getting your core temperature up. Yeah, warming up the goal of warming up, if you ask anybody, like, hey, why are you warming

Starting point is 00:56:26 up? What's the goal? Well, the goal is to prevent injury. Okay, that's great. That's the least that proper warming up or prime, by the way, priming warming up, they both entail doing something before you work out to prevent injury and make your work out more effective, or at least that's what they should do.

Starting point is 00:56:47 Now warming up, general warming up without any real individualized attention or attention to how you move, or with any corrective component, you're gonna get some injury prevention benefits, but you're not gonna get a lot of, you know, getting better results benefits or being stronger benefits

Starting point is 00:57:06 or improving movement benefits. That's what priming does. Priming is very individualized. So really they're the same thing, but they're not because priming is incredibly, so I'll give you an example, right? So let's say you have somebody with, let's say I have a female client who can't feel

Starting point is 00:57:22 her glutes when she does squats or deadlifts and her butt is underdeveloped. A warm-up might be, hey, let's have you walk on the treadmill, do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches.

Starting point is 00:57:37 Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Do some general stretches. Now, priming, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna look at our movement patterns. I'm gonna say, okay, you're not feeling your glutes. Let's prime your glutes in a way so that you know how to connect to them. Oh, it looks like you have some incommobility problems. Let's work on your incommobility so that when you squat, you have better form. Oh, it looks like you have forward shoulder. Let's prime your body properly so that you can hold yourself in that proper posture better because you can feel the muscles more effectively and because now you have familiar airity

Starting point is 00:58:07 with what proper posture is supposed to feel like, which is what proper priming does. So if you prime properly, you go into your workout and it's like you take, imagine this, your workout has a potential, the number's a hundred. The most you can get out of your workout is a hundred. Proper priming ensures that you get as close to 100 as possible. If you don't prime, you're lucky if you get 100, you're probably going to only get a fraction

Starting point is 00:58:31 of the total potential because you're not able to get into those positions properly, feel the muscles you want to feel. So priming makes a huge difference. Well, and the point you're making too, this is why we created a program around it because it's not as simple as just warm up or telling the audience like, oh, here are priming movements for you. Well, it should be individualized, right? You should have somebody, hopefully a professional or in this case, we have an at home test that

Starting point is 00:58:56 you take where we have, we broke the body up in three zones and we have you do this test and it's either pass or fail in each zone. So if you cannot do this movement perfectly, it's considered a fail. If it's a fail, there are a series of movements that we tell you you should do to prime your body to help you with exercises that will require those movement patterns. So that is the idea. The idea is that you take a test like this, you get to learn what areas are where you have dysfunction or you don't have great mechanics, and then you start to prime exercises to help you perform

Starting point is 00:59:31 exercises better. And then it's specific to you. And that's what your warm-up quote-unquote prime, priming, should look like every day before you go into your workout. And it should be very specific to you. It's about setting the position. It's about being able to stabilize the joints and getting those supporting cast muscles activated. And then that way we can take that now into that specific exercise and you're gonna have a more effective form with that. You're gonna fall right into the most optimal recruitment pattern. So it just helps you to eliminate a lot of the compensations

Starting point is 01:00:12 that may occur, or when you go through the motions, you're not actually activating the ideal muscles that you want. Yeah, look at it this way. Should everybody work out the same way. We're all working out. We're all in the gym doing the same exercises. We're all doing the same way. We're all working out. We're all in the gym doing the same exercises. We're all doing the same stuff. We're all working out. How effective is that versus all of us work out differently based on our goals and our bodies, our current fitness level, and all the other factors that make us individuals?

Starting point is 01:00:40 Which one is more effective? Oh, it's night and day. Not even close. It's not even in the same universe at how fast your body will progress and the kind of results you'll get if your workout is individualized versus a just general going into the gym

Starting point is 01:00:54 and just moving type of workout. Same thing with priming and warming up. So if you're like, eh, I warm up and I feel okay, and you've never really truly primed, you have, it's like you were born with one eye closed, you have no idea what you're like, hey, I warm up and I feel okay, and you've never really truly primed, you have, it's like you were born with one eye closed, you have no idea what you're missing until you open the other eye. You have no idea what priming can do for your body

Starting point is 01:01:13 unless you've actually primed your individual body. Once you do it once, you'll never go back to warming up again. Next question is from Freeman X-Tel. Are there any benefits to stability training or using tools like a BOSU ball? Absolutely. Yes, but boy, was it overstated?

Starting point is 01:01:30 No, no, no, no. You know what? This reminds me of what we talked about in the intro today. Leave it to fucking the fitness community to take something where there's some good science to support the benefits of something. Then we just bastardize the shit out of it. We just, now it's for everybody, and we're balancing everything on a dynodisk,

Starting point is 01:01:49 or on a bosew ball, or on a foam pad, and trying to make workouts. Because it's harder. Yeah, it was more difficult, where, yes, I think there's incredible benefits, and there's definitely an application for specific people. But that's just it. It's like, I use tools like this for a client that it makes practical

Starting point is 01:02:08 sense, especially like in the rehab area. When you're dealing with rehabilitation, using tools to stabilize somebody or challenge their stability is a great way for you to help that support all the muscles that are supporting a joint or an area that was injured, that there's a lot of benefits to that. I see it a lot of times is like a regression. So if I get somebody that is coming in and I notice instability all over the place, like this is an area that we're really gonna have to focus

Starting point is 01:02:39 on just like strength training. Like this is something that we need to gain that type of awareness and get the body to respond properly in unstable positions. That way, now when we're in stable positions, everything is working in unison and we can then build upon that. There's a few components that go into your ability to balance. Now, we're talking about healthy individuals. So, barring any, you know, buddy that has nervous system or disorders or vestibular system disorders, let's just

Starting point is 01:03:11 say everybody's healthy here. So, so we're comparing healthy people to each other. Balance comes from a few different places. Generally speaking, strength is great for balance. So, if you're strong, you're probably going gonna have better balance than somebody who's healthy, but that's also weak. So like when I would train older people, just getting them stronger would dramatically improve their balance because now they can move with better stability and strength.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Now more specifically, balance is a skill, just like any other skill. So you know, give you an example. If you practice balancing on a, let's say you're walking across a, you know, a skinny, you know, pole or something, the more you practice it, the better you get at it because you're balanced, you tend to build it as a skill.

Starting point is 01:03:55 Now, is there carryover into the rest of your life? Yes, somewhat. Most of it is to the specific skill. Some of it goes to the rest of your life. Now, in the past, it was overstated, in the past, it was like, we're doing this on everything, which there's no former training that should be applied to everything.

Starting point is 01:04:12 It'd be like, powerlifting's got great benefits. Everybody powerlifts all the time. No, same thing with balance. But that being said, incorporating some components of balance, which for the average person can be a simple is doing single leg exercise levels. Exactly. And we have to, yeah, definitely a good point to start like stable and then like now we're

Starting point is 01:04:30 going one leg, now we're going, you know, on something that is like an air desk like where it's, you know, something that's a little bit more challenging. It's, so that way it is, it is like you're, you're increasing the level of difficulty as part of the training and then we move on from there. I think the most applicable type of balanced training is just the one-legged type stuff. It's the most applicable to the real world. It's the thing you're going to be doing in the real world. You experience that the most. Yeah, that's where I would say the most applications. Well, I mean, here's an example. This is literally a conversation that I was having this last week

Starting point is 01:05:03 with a client friend of mine. So she's an old client. She's also a really good friend of ours. And I hadn't seen her in probably six months. She stopped by. She lives in LA area. And she came up to visit Katrina and I. And she wanted me to kind of like assess her. She just went and saw her orthopedic friend that checked her out. And she said, she first saw a doctor and this doctor prescribed her insoles for a shoe and I said, what? I said, absolutely not. I said, let me, I'll see you when you come down,

Starting point is 01:05:31 like I don't want you doing that. Let me look at you and I had told her before that this could be an issue with her. And what it is is she has peronial tinnitus. And a lot of that is because she has, she excessively pronates on one side. So her foot's flat. Right, so her foot flattens out on one side or pronates, right?

Starting point is 01:05:49 So it flattens inward or collapses inward. This is really common. I see this a lot in people's squatting. This was an issue for myself. And so this was also close to home thing as I'm helping her out with it. And so what I told her we needed to do is we needed to do soft tissue work

Starting point is 01:06:04 to alleviate some of that Okay, so here's where you have application for tools like foam rolling or lacrosse balls to do the soft tissue work on her To alleviate some of the pain that she's having and then we need to strengthen your ankle and your feet and so Exercises to do that now. I she loves when I recently got her into dead lifting and squatting, like heavy in the last year, and she's seen incredible progression and changed her body and her, she loves being strong. She was like one of those girls that was all circuit type training. I showed her strength training and changed her life. Now here's the drawback was, well, she started dead lifting and squatting really, really

Starting point is 01:06:42 heavy while also having these flat feet. this caused the peronial tendonitis. And now I'm having to reverse her back out of that and say, listen, back off of the intensity, I don't want you doing any dead lifting with both feet on the ground anymore. So now we do soft tissue work, we work on your feet, strengthen that, we do some ankle strength exercises. And then what I want you doing is deadlifting on one leg. And when you deadlift on one leg, I want you to focus more on the stability and the control of that more so than you try to get more weight up.

Starting point is 01:07:15 And so here's an example of how stability training is incredible. And a tool that you, as a trainer, you probably use all the time. What ended up happening though is the science, the support, the benefits of why a trainer like myself would prescribe something in that situation, just like the example I just gave with the foam rolling. We take that and now it's for everybody. And everybody should do it and do it all the time. And then we start doing it on, you know, oh, wow, well, if you can do it on one leg, try

Starting point is 01:07:44 doing it on a foam pad. Now try doing it on a boseball. Now try and hop and then balance start doing it on, you know, oh, wow, well, if you can do it on one leg, try doing it on a phone pad, now try doing it on a boastball, now try and hop and then balance and do it. And so we just, we take something really good that has a application. And because it looks cool and it's hard, right? You know, right. Yeah. Next question is from Erica Elko. I would love to hear you go into depth on skinny yoga girls,

Starting point is 01:08:05 self-selecting yoga as their sport because of their body type. This was a specific question that was given to me on my last Instagram Q&A, and she DM me after I responded, because I gave the short answer to this. What was her question on there? So that this was a question.

Starting point is 01:08:23 Well, she had somebody else ask me, this was actually somebody else saying that was, would you go into more depth for everybody else? Is this like, why are, why are, why are yoga girls so flexible and always skinny and lean? Oh, yeah. And my answer to that was there's more of a self-selection bias there than there is the yoga. I said, I give the analogy of, it's the same reason why it's appealing for them. I said, it's the same reason why basketball players are semifatol and can jump.

Starting point is 01:08:48 Yeah, it's like, you look at, you look at a bunch of pro level basketball players, you think, Oh, if I play basketball, I'll be semifatol. Right. No, that's not exactly, that is exactly the analogy that I gave. And she said, could you elaborate on that? And I said, yeah, absolutely. And it's just as humans, we gravitate towards the things that we're good at. And this is not to say that there's not benefits to doing yoga, but why people think that yoga girls are really skinny and limber is because skinny and limber girls tend to gravitate towards yoga. That's what it is.

Starting point is 01:09:19 It's because somebody who is overweight and tight, really, really bad probably takes a yoga class the first time and Realize they fucking suck at it and it's hard and they bail and they don't do it Which the irony of all this is that person is put the person that sucks at it and it's really really hard for Well benefit the most well benefit the most and the the skinny yoga girl who is already limber and is flexible as shit That loves taking yoga all the time. She'd be deadly. Right. She's not getting as much benefit as the person who is neglecting to do it because it's

Starting point is 01:09:52 hard. It's difficult. Yeah. It's like when you look at a swimmer, you know, Olympic swimmer, you're like, wow, swimmer really have these, you know, wide flat backs and, you know, long arms and short legs. And, you know, if I swim a lot, I'm going to have the broad shoulders and all that stuff. Not necessarily. Now, definitely different sports and training modalities train certain parts of the body

Starting point is 01:10:11 more than others. But a large percentage of the reason why top athletes look the way they do is because one of the reasons why they are top athletes and that shows in sport is because their bodies built for it. Same reason why long distance runners at the top levels have long skinny legs and short upper bodies. The one form of exercise where you can actually choose to sculpt your body as you wish,

Starting point is 01:10:35 and of course it's still limited by your, there's still limitations like your genetics, but more than any of the form of exercise is resistance training. It's the only form of exercise where I can literally look in the mirror. And again, there's limitations, of course, but I can look in the mirror and say, I want more leg, I want less shoulder, I want more upper back, I want more bicep, and I can literally construct and design my workout around the way I want to look.

Starting point is 01:11:05 No other form of exercise looks at because if you do a lot of yoga or a lot of pilates or a lot of cycling or swimming or any of the form of exercise, there's a very narrow parameter of how you move for that chosen activity. When it comes to resistance training, the only parameter is you're lifting, you're using resistance and you're training within a particular range and you're resting. Other than that, I can choose to shape and sculpt my body however I want.

Starting point is 01:11:34 So, if you want a body that looks more like a particular type of body, of course, considering your genetic limitations, the best form of exercise you could possibly choose is resistance strength. All the other forms of exercise just simply don't do that. But to those of you that have tried a yoga class and, you know, because this is definitely happened, I've had clients that have come to me about this

Starting point is 01:11:56 and I've had to have this conversation with them, do not be discouraged when you go to a yoga class and, you know, you see these long, beautiful girls that are limber and doing it so well and you feel frumpy and out of balance and deconditioned and it's tight and it's hurts. And so you go fuck this and you bail like the truth is, you are the person that needs to be in there. And they're not the worst you're at it. The worst you are at it.

Starting point is 01:12:27 Yes. Probably the more value you get. Absolutely. The more value you're going to get working towards getting better at it. So don't you guys ever take in yoga class? Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel when you're in a terrible at it?

Starting point is 01:12:38 Yeah. I went in. I did yoga for about a year. You know, though, I haven't done it since I've done all the mobility work today. So I would be, I bet I would be a lot better at it today than when, because I did it in the, right in the middle of 230 bulking jacked atom, you know, I'm saying like that.

Starting point is 01:12:57 Where do you get all the stairs? Like what's that? Oh yeah, it was a big joke. It was like, look at the meat head. It put me right in the front, too. I had some like 60 year old lady next to me and she looks like she was like meditating while she was doing it.

Starting point is 01:13:09 And I'm sweating bullets and shaking like a leaf. Yeah, that's it. So it was definitely, it's definitely a challenge. And then again, guess who needed it the most? I did, you know? And it wasn't until my stubborn ass dealt with presides in my hips and low back pain for long enough. While looking amazing

Starting point is 01:13:25 on stage, did the light bulb finally go off like, okay, it's time for me to stop focusing just on aesthetics and really start to work on all these other issues that I have. And it took a lot of work and it was difficult, but it also paid off. Yoga is the one other form of structured exercise, and it's the only form of group exercise that I've ever consistently recommended to clients. There's different types of yoga, of course, and some's the only form of group exercise that I've ever consistently recommended to clients. There's different types of yoga, of course, and some of them are terrible. There's yoga classes that are trying to pretend to be resistance training classes and

Starting point is 01:13:53 power yoga and all that stuff silly. The more traditional type yoga classes with the meditative component, it's the one group exercise type thing that I've ever consistently recommended to people because I've always seen benefits in my clients from incorporating it. And it's got great benefits. I love it. But it's not going to make your body look a particular like the top yoga type people. That's not how it works.

Starting point is 01:14:20 There's really the only form of exercise that you can target specific parts of your body and really shape your body like a sculptor with limitations, of course, but really the only form of exercise that you can target specific parts of your body and really shape your body like a sculptor with limitations of course, but really the only form of it is resistance strength. It's the only one that can do that. With that, go to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free books, guides and resources. We got a lot of free stuff on there. Stuff that will help you work out, burn body fat, become a better personal trainer, go to MindPumpFree.com, download all of them,

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