Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1178: When to Prioritize Building Muscle vs. Burning Fat, the Difference Between Varieties of Milk, Dating Apps & MORE

Episode Date: December 6, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether it takes longer to build muscle or burn fat, if almond and soy milk are more or less processed than regular dairy, tips or advice to someone who suffers from body dysmorphic disorder, and dating apps. Mind Pump’s take on psychedelic psilocybin deemed “breakthrough treatment” for severe depression. (4:24) Is higher fish consumption linked to a stronger effect on IQ? (19:14) The value and benefits of red-light therapy to help curve your Seasonal affective disorder (SAD). (21:45) New Zealand launches the world's first HIV positive sperm bank. (25:09) Mind Pump gearing up for the holiday season. (29:27) Ultimate shopping guides from Mind Pump sponsors. (32:48) Sal making the case for owning a Tesla again. (34:32) What is the worst thing the guys have spent money on to look cool? (39:05) #Quah question #1 – Does it take longer to build muscle or burn fat? I’m trying to get a feel how long to bulk and cut. (45:01) #Quah question #2 – What's the deal with milks? Are almond and soy milk more or less processed than regular dairy? (55:16) #Quah question #3 – What tips or advice would you give to someone who suffers from body dysmorphia and is triggered in a gym? (1:00:33) #Quah question #4 – If you found yourself single again, would you use a dating app to meet someone? Why or why a not? (1:07:09) Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic ½ off! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** US Government Commits To Psychedelic Psilocybin As “Breakthrough Treatment” For Severe Depression Relationships between seafood consumption during pregnancy and childhood and neurocognitive development: Two systematic reviews Red Light Therapy and Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! New Zealand launches world's first HIV positive sperm bank Visit MIIR for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump TV - YouTube Study: More than a third of new marriages start online Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer questions asked question- Hi, listeners like you. What they do is they go to our Instagram page, they post the question underneath our quap meme. We pick the best ones and we answer them in episodes like this. But the way we open the episode is with our introduction.

This is where we talk about current events. We talk about our lives and random topics. Super random. So here's what we did in this episode. We start out by talking about Silas Sibon and Depression. More and more studies are coming out showing it to be a breakthrough treatment. So it's kind of interesting. Then I talked about how fish consumption is connected to higher IQ babies.

This is a pregnant women who eat fish tend to have babies that are smarter. That's kind of interesting. Then we talked about sad. That's the acronym, seasonal effective disorder. Some of you may be feeling this right now, so it's where it gets colder and darker outside and you're feeling kind of down and low. This happens to me.

Now one thing you can use to help combat this is light therapy. We work with a company called Juve. They make red light therapy. These are panels that will do, they rejuvenate your skin, they can actually help hair regrowth, they can reduce inflammation. By the way, this is all clinically proven, this isn't just baloney, but it also can help if you have seasonal effective disorder.

And we have a hook up for you. If you go to juv.com, that's j-o-o-v-v.com forward slash mine pump. You'll get a free maps prime program with the purchase of $500 or more and free shipping. By the way, they also have financing for many of their products. Make sure you go check it out. Then I talked about the HIV sperm bank. This is the very first HIV positive sperm bank

that opened up in New Zealand. We'll see how well they do. Did not know that was a market sell. Then we talked about Christmas shopping and how much I don't hate it anymore. It's kind of weird. We talked about a Viori, this is a company we work with and how they planted a tree for every purchase the other day

and they also have a gift guide on their website. Now Viori are the makers of some of the best at leisure where you'll find anywhere. So this is comfortable clothing that looks good enough to wear anywhere, but you can also work out in, and it's super, super high quality. We have a discount for you.

If you go to Viori clothing that's V-U-O-R-I, clothing.com, forward slash, Mind Pump, use the code listed on that page. You'll get a full 25% off. Then I talked about the mileage that Tesla cars get and how much it costs to charge them versus your gas cars. I'm trying to make the case for the Tesla truck. Elon sent him a truck. And then we talked about wasteful purchases that we've made in the past. Then we got into the fitness portion of the episode. Here's the questions that we've made in the past. Then we got into the fitness portion of the episode. Here's the questions that we answered. The first question, does it take longer to build muscle

or burn body fat? We had a nice debate in that part of the episode. The next question was, what's the deal with milks? That's right. You heard that plural. Are almond and soy milk more or less processed than regular dairy? The third question was, what tips or advice would we give to someone who suffers from body dysmorphia and gets triggered by going to a gym, so we give some tips there? And the final question, if any of us were single again today, would we use dating apps? So we make that discussion there. And also this month, our most, one of our most popular programs.

It's a great muscle building program that helps you sculpt your body the way you see fit. Maps aesthetic, this is a body builder, body sculpting based workout program, is 50% off. I know a lot of you have been messaging us about Maps aesthetic. When is he going on sale? When is it going to go on sale? This is the month it's on sale for

the entire year. Okay, so here's what you do for the discount. Go to mapsblack.com and use the code black50blac50 for the discount. I was not listening when Sal was over here trying to sell you guys on where to invest our money over here. And I'm always skeptical of him trying to take our money. Silly, silly Simon. Okay, ready? Yeah, here we are. Silly Simon in edible shoes.

Okay. Okay. No, you're fucking right. That's not what it was. No, no, no, no, I was reading it. I gotta find the article now. A horrible idea. You caught me off guard.

Let me find this article. So there's an article around what you want to invest in. Oh, well, no, I was reading it. I got to find the article now. A horrible idea. You caught me off guard. Let me find this article. So there's an article around what you want to invest in. Oh, well, there has been. I've been following along the progression of the studies on psilocybin. So yeah, psilocybin is the active ingredient, the psychedelic ingredient that's found in magic mushrooms. And I've talked about this in the past on the show,

but the benefits with therapy that they've been showing. Well, they're finding incredible potential benefits of using psilocybin in conjunction with cognitive behavioral therapy with therapists for things like PTSD and depression. Well, the FDA, second year in a row now, I'm gonna, I gotta look this up because I wanna make sure I get this right.

Let me see if I can find it here. This is the second year in the row that they have designated psilocybin therapy as breakthrough therapy. So now why is this important? This is an action that's meant to accelerate the normally sluggish process of drug development and review. So normally when you put out a potential new drug or whatever, the cost forever, right?

Don't they say it's like an average, like a decade? 10 years. I thought I saw a documentary one time that we talked about. There was a good documentary on this. That's purposeful to you. 10 years and sometimes it's up to a billion dollars, oftentimes hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. And this is just a side note. We have, even we have this FDA that does this, it actually prevents a lot of drugs from getting developed and put forward

because the cost is too expensive. So oftentimes what companies will do is they'll only invest on things that they kind of know are maybe a sure thing. So like opioid type drugs, they'll modify invest on things that they kinda know are maybe a sure thing. So like opioid type drugs, they'll modify them a little bit, knowing that opioids generally cause pain relief, but very few companies will go and invest

in breakthrough. Yeah, completely different. Yeah, because we're gonna spend hundreds of millions or a billion dollars in 10 years of research and... Yeah, all the R&Ds is like hundreds of millions of dollars. Very, very few of them actually make it through that entire process. Well, anyway, Silasai bin, second year in a row now has been designated breakthrough therapy. Now, one out of every three drugs that have been designated as breakthrough therapies have passed

FDA. So the odds are compared to other drugs extremely high. Now, why does it have this breakthrough therapy designation because they're finding it to be a ground-breaking potential treatment for depression, which is a massive market. It's one of the biggest drug markets out there. It's like billions of dollars. You know many people are on SSRIs or antidepressant type medications.

Where are the common names for those? For what antidepressants? SSRIs? No, I mean like the brand names. Oh, like Prozac, Zoloft, Well butrin. You know, it's considered antidepressant. There's a whole host of them, right? Prozac being one of the first ones. Right. And they're widely, widely prescribed.

And they have some efficacy, but psilocybin in these studies was shown to, like in one or two treatments with talk therapy to have profound long lasting effects. So it's not something you would take every single day. You, in these trials, they're giving it to people, they're doing this therapy, and then the depression's gone.

Or crazy. Yes, and what they're finding in some of these studies is that the psilocybin is... What do you think it's like it opens up a pathway somewhere in the brain that you've either won, buried, or blocked, or like, I mean, we've all experienced it before. I've only used psilocybin maybe five times

total in my life. And allegedly, allegedly. Yeah. And the experience, you know, it's interesting. And there was, I had one of the times I was with Katrina and it was the most profound experience I've ever had. Within 10 years we've been a good nine and a half years we've been together. We had one of the deepest conversations ever and I was we weren't I took a very moderate dose like I I still have never taking like

a full like dose to where I get psychedelic crazy psychedelic where you're seeing all kinds of crazy stuff. I did notice stuff like images in the clouds and the waves and staring off into the sand and things like that, but it wasn't, I was very cognizant of what was going on. I had a deep conversation with her, but what I noticed personally was this openness that I had with her, this vulnerability.

And I already think I'm a pretty vulnerable person with her. We're very honest. We share a lot about ourselves. But this time was different than any other time that I'd ever experienced. And we had a little bit of a breakthrough in our relationship in an area that I wouldn't say we struggled with, but an area that I think that we just kind of were different

the way we viewed things. And for me, you know, those that know, I'm, you know, nine years with this woman that I know I'll spend the rest of my life with, yet I'm not married yet and settle down. A lot of people didn't understand that or think that I have like commitment issues and even her, I think probably struggle

with that for a long time. And from very early on, when we first started dating, I kind of told her what my vision was and what I wanted for myself well before I even met her and the life that I wanted to provide my wife and child. And that was very, very important to me that I did that. And I think that day, that time that we had when we had this conversation,

she looked at me at one point and she just like, she started crying and she's like, I get it. I understand now and I understand why you're doing everything that you're doing. It really is for us. And I think earlier on in our relationship, she viewed it a little more selfishly like it was me. I wanted all this for myself when it was very unselfish. And so there was always this disconnect there. And in that time, we did that. It was like nothing, no other conversation we've ever had. Well, we have to be careful when we talk about substances

like this because what the studies are showing is that. Because it's illegal still. Well, no, besides that, I don't give shit, whatever. You would want, obviously, at your own peril and discretion. But what we have, what the studies are showing is that the efficacy is in combination with... Guided therapy. Yes, a guided therapy, because these substances

are powerful, consciousness altering drugs, which means you could go in either direction. There are records of people who've gone into, who've had serious paranoia or trauma from the psilocybin. Yeah, but isn't that anything? Yes. You can overskit the freaky. You can overdo anything.

It's not, yes, you're right. It's a drug. You're right. It's a drug like anything else. And it's not just overdoing it. It's that you're working with a very, with the substance that makes you very, things are very suggestible to you. Well, and it's,

so it matters like crazy with this. That's what they say. And that's what, yeah, that's what the studies show. I mean, look, the CIA spent lots of money seeing if they could brainwash people with psychedelic drugs because they obviously saw the potential there for the suggestibility. But, so, within these studies, they're giving people not these massive psychedelic doses, I think they're giving them lower doses.

It's in there having a therapist. And what they're finding in some of these other studies where they're looking at the brain and what's happening is that, and this is just a theory that oftentimes with depressive episodes, the brain gets stuck in this depressive loop where it thinks a particular way and breaking that loop literally requires the brain to shift a little bit or how you think has the shift.

And that's hard to do. And what these drugs may do is allow you to create new pathways, like you said, open up new things. And then now you have a different loop. Now you view things a little bit differently. Like there were some early studies on people in the life, people with terminal diseases, and their anxiety and fear,

I mean, when they say breakthrough, I mean, when you read these studies, because depression is so hard to treat, is it remarkable? Have they found, like, so the prefrontal cortex is like, that's the main center for, like, how you view yourself and your ego and, like, that's the one that you're interpreting constantly through. Is this, like, you know, helping you to kind of get out of the... There's always... Yeah, just like, processing it through there.

I think it's more about, I don't think it's that so as much as it's getting rid of the loops that we create to become instinctual. So like, if you think of like a irrational fear, like, oh, I'm really scared of, I have family members that are scared of driving on the freeway. They're scared of the freeway. I can't get on the freeway, I can't get on the freeway.

So it's kind of this irrational, but they'll do all kinds of other stuff with their car, which is equally as dangerous. And so it's kind of this irrational fear. They can't get out of it logically because it's a reaction. It happens in the part of the brain that probably processes it instinctually. Then you try to out-logic your way out of it. You're ever trying to out-logic your way out of like extreme emotions. It's very difficult to do.

So it may be something along those lines, but what I was talking about is the investment opportunity on this is massive. Whatever company or companies that develop drugs based off of Silasibon, and if it does do with something with the same thing. Well, did you show anything? They actually develop like serious protocols for the treatment or is this still in development? Isn't it already happening in Colorado? These are so far, these are preliminary studies. Okay. And they are making it into like a pill or whatever.

Right. But let's say that it passes and let's say it is a breakthrough treatment. Let's say it's more effective than traditional antidepressants, which also have their own side effects, right? In according to the studies, you know, it's more effective than traditional antidepressants, which also have their own side effects, right? In according to the studies, you go, you meet with a therapist, you take this thing, you meet with them one or two times, and depression's gone for six months right here.

So what's their finding? They're like, they're coming back and talking to these people like six months later. It's not like a massive dose. They're like kind of like scaling that up. From what I've read, it's not the doses that, you know, the heroic doses or whatever. Like you're going full psychedelic. Yeah, my experience with it was very minimal amount of what we were, we weren't using very much at all.

I don't remember, I don't think we were even taking a half or a quarter of a dose. It was a micro dose. It doesn't take much to kind of get out of your own. And that, to me, that's what I was trying to explain that what I think Katrina had. I think that she had told herself something, her own story of why I do what I do for so long and probably influenced by family and friends and other people that no matter how many times

I tried to explain it, it was like, and it wasn't like a major problem, which is like, you know, she's gonna believe what she believes about it. I'm gonna believe what I'm gonna believe about. That felt like that all dissolved, and we were able to get as one in that conversation. Like that perspective completely.

Together, right, you know what I'm saying? It was a very unique experience for me, and nothing like I had ever experienced before. But now imagine you do something like that, right? You do a big dose, and you're in the wrong environment, and you think negative thoughts. Right. And normally you kind of keep them at bay, but now they become a part of who you

are. Like I know somebody who she thought she would benefit from doing high doses of psychedelics because she had some anxiety issues or whatever. And it gave her PTSD. She took a bunch and had such a terrible experience that she's had to go to therapy to fix what that one experience did to her. So, and the bad experience that I heard are normally people that are seeking it to get really fucking high from it, right?

Like they want the psychedelic crazy experience. Or just not ready. Yeah, you know. Cause they have great books around. I have a client right now that's, you know, in over 50-something years old, never experiencing it's super fascinated by it. Did all of her research,

she bought a couple books on it, right? And she actually just did it last week. I haven't seen her since then, haven't only texted her, and she's been kind of talking to me about her experience. And she said it was groundbreaking for her. Yeah, it's one of those things, it's like, because there's a lot of people in our space,

right, in the health space, they're like, oh, it's the greatest thing ever, and it solves all these problems. Oh, yeah. And in me, there's caution there. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's the greatest thing ever. And it solves all these problems. Oh, yeah. And in my serious caution there. Yeah, it's like, it's like, okay, you're just using it to escape, obviously. You haven't solved any problems.

You're just making yourself feel better. I don't think there's any secret shortcut to, you know, solving your issues. I think that it's just, it could be a tool. And again, they're using this with therapists. I think that's a big difference. Imagine being in a setting where you're safe You're in an office. You know that they give you pharmaceutical grades So you know what's in there because I think part of the fear is what's in this?

What is this mushroom? I mean, what's in this pill? I'm taking here? You're with the doctor or whatever They give you that you know what's in there Then they're talking you through, you start to get afraid, but you're talking to professional like, listen, this is totally normal. Normally, heart rate speeds up a little bit, so like, okay, this is fine with a doctor. I mean, what a totally different experience you could have

with a therapist, and so that's what I'm imagining, the difference is. But isn't Colorado already legal? I thought it was legal in talk. It's decriminalized. Decriminalized. Okay, so talked. It's decriminalized. Oh, okay, so some legal is decriminalized. Yeah, so like personal use, Oakland too.

And yeah, city of Oakland. So now when you see it like that, and you'll start seeing it pop up like in smoke shops and they'll be selling it then. No, that's still illegal, so you can't sell it. Really? Yeah, decriminalized means that if you have it on you, small dose, personal use, and a cop finds you

that they won't do anything. But they can't sell it. No, legalizing means it on you, small dose, personally use, and a cop finds you that they won't do anything. But they can't sell it at a sale. No, legalizing means it's now- So how did the smoke shops get away with doing the gray market stuff? Like they were doing cratum before everybody else was doing the credit. Still not considered illegal.

It's really. No, like in sometimes it's a gray market, well they'll say illegal for, you can't sell this for human consumption. So then what they'll do is they'll write. So that's's bath salts Plant food right right isn't that what they'll do like I think I think it's so I wouldn't be surprised if you do see a pop-up and smoke shots But they'll say not for human consumption for your garden

Supposedly mushrooms are easy to grow too So I wouldn't be surprised if they found a loophole for you to like buy a spore and then grow it yourself. Yeah, right. Something like, or a kit and then they tell you where to find the spore and then you just grow it. Who knows? Those are couchs. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Anyway, more cool science. I was on Twitter reading. You're so glad to see you there now. Yeah. Yeah. I had people, you've even announced that on the show that we finally got you a tweeting over there. I'm just not, you know, it's funny. Dude. I'm so

big. I don't know what you're talking about Twitter, not Twitter. Yeah, you know what dude? It's just more social media. You know what I mean? I don't want more. Yeah, but this is so much more up your alley in my I think so yeah, you you like to write shit. Yeah, you do. And it's their short challenge thing. Challenge to the point, you know, yeah, challenging people. I mean, it's, I think it's been your, it's much needed in that, especially that environment. Yeah, people need to be checked out there like crazy.

Well, I was reading, I think it was, what's your name? Dr. Rondra Patrick, love her. And she posted a study that showed that, mothers who consumed fish during pregnancy had IQs that were between 4.8 to 9.5 points higher than children whose mothers did not eat fish. So they're saying that higher fish consumption is linked to a stronger effect on IQ. And this is based off of reviews of 44. That's such a real study is weird to me.

I feel like it's self the self selection by now. Oh no. Okay, so how do you know that the people, those getting the right nutrients, the right timing of development process? Well, so the people that make those healthy choices while they're babies, are they more likely to be smarter people in the first place?

So this was based off of 44 reviews. So they actually went and looked at lots of different types of studies. You're right, just one may show that, but they're showing that they, what is a DHA? One of the fatty acid components in fish oil or fish fat is very important for brain health and brain development. Very, very important. This effect, by the way, is higher and very, very important. This effect, by the way, is higher when a vegan supplements with, and you can get, I believe, DHA from certain types of algae.

I believe there are vegan forms. They're just not as effective as the animal forms. So it's, it's, it definitely has an effect on the brain in terms of, you know, improving speed of DHA. Didn't you say that, did not hear you say yesterday talking about supplements that are gonna get banned? Was that a true article? I don't know, I gotta find out, find that out.

Yeah, you read our article yesterday that we were like, what the hell, they're gonna try and ban out. For human, they said they were gonna ban. It was a bunch of things that were supposed to supposedly gonna be banned. I gotta look that up. Okay, you did follow up on that.

No, I didn't. That's interesting. I'm sorry about that. No. Anyway, does this dark weather affect you guys at all? I mean, yeah, like you said, when I get home and it's dark, it kind of, I mean, it limits the amount of activity I'm doing. Like, I'm just kind of like more prone to being like ready

for bed already. I'm just like, I'm done with the day. It used to for me, but I mean, ever since I got the Juve, I've made that like something that, when we have these like super cloudy days and it's dark and it's rainy, I'll try and spend more time sitting in front of that thing. That does help.

That's actually legit way of using it. Because what do they call it? Seasonal Effective Disorder, sad, that's the acronym. I'm funny, huh? Good marketing, great. And then, it affects like 5% of people. That's a acronym. How funny, huh? Good marketing. Yeah, that worked out. And it affects like 5% of people. That's a pretty big number. Yeah.

And it's literally, like the acronym says, people get more depressed. They want to sleep more. Their habits start to change because of the lack of light. And one of the treatments that's been shown to work is light therapy. So you could either use really bright lights or juice would be perfect just like you said. Well, you know, and anybody who has one, right, that can probably attest to this,

it sounds weird or hokey when I tell people it. But man, I notice when I sit in front of it, 10, 15 minutes afterwards, I feel energy increase, my skin feels like it's glowing. I just am in a better mood all together. Which is the similar effects that I get when I go stand out in the sun. We talk about it all the time. We're locked in this little dungeon in the studio. And sometimes, like, after we've been in here for a few hours, I feel the thargic and tired and moody. And I'll go out. And if it's especially when it's a sunny

day, I go for a walk for like 10 minutes, complete change of mood, I'm walking with better posture, I just feel way better. And so I've connected that with these cloudy, dark, rainy type days, and shit, I'll just go in my room, my spare room flip on the juice, sit at 10, 15 minutes max and I, and we'll hang out. Same here, I know the same thing, way better. Especially if I'm working on the computer, I'll turn it on 15 minutes max and I and we'll hang out. Same here. I know it's the same thing.

Way better. Especially if I'm working on the computer and I'll turn it on and I'll get that same kind of energized benefit to it. An interesting thing too, because our chickens hadn't been producing ever since the time change as frequently and as great as they were breadloaf. Breadloaf. Breadloaf.

Breadloaf. It would be cool to do that, but we do have like a light that will turn on to kind of extend the day for them and that's on a timer. And in totally. Yeah, like they're all producing, you know, like they were when the sun was like, Oh, interesting.

So do the production of the eggs go down in the winter time and come back into the summer? Absolutely, yeah. Oh, wow, that's interesting. Yeah, obviously it affects them too. And then you manipulate that with artificial light. Wow, I didn't know that. Makes sense.

Well, think about it this way. So you know when you're sick, how you want it kind of be alone and you don't want to be around a lot of people and you want to kind of bundle up or whatever. That's an evolutionary response because it prevents you from spreading your disease. You're not trying to go out and talk to lots of people, hang out with lots of people. prevents you from spreading your disease. You're not trying to go out and talk to lots of people, hang out with lots of people. That's how we prevent disease.

But there's those feedback loops work in the opposite way too. So if you're not sick, but you're inside a lot, you're not doing much, you're not getting much sunlight, your brain, your mind may get the signal. Something's not right and it'll start to make you feel sad and make you feel worse. Speaking of a spread and disease, what was this like HIV and sperm bank thing that we had to talk about?

Did you guys hear about this? No, I didn't hear about this. I gotta find the article. So the world's first HIV sperm bank, I'm gonna look this up real quick. I believe it was a new, in New Zealand, if I'm not mistaken, I read the article, yeah it is. Okay, it was a new in New Zealand, if I'm not mistaken, I read the article, yeah it is, okay, it was a New Zealand. So they launched the world's first HIV positive

sperm bank. Now the reason why they did this is they're trying to reduce the stigma of for people who are HIV positive. So what they did is with these people, they put them on antiviral drugs, they brought the HIV load so low that they can't transmit it. So the sperm itself isn't going to give you HIV, but it's still considered HIV positive. So I'm not quite sure why. So let me get the point. So these are people that would already have HIV, so then they would go to a sperm bank. They can donate to a sperm bank. So we have medicine now that is effective enough to bring your HIV viral load down so low that you can't translate it. Yeah, but what I do is the market for that.

Right. What I don't understand is like say somebody, you know, say your partner or somebody you know that wants to get pregnant, why would she go to that bank? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. If you have an option for like, so no. So here's a deal.

Unless she already has HIV. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. You're not going to get HIV from the sperm. So I know, but then why? Because they're, if it's inclusive, they're trying to, right? So you can soften the blow.

You too can give your sperm. We're not going to exclude you. Yes. So here's what, here's a quote from, from that market. I know exactly. Here's a quote soften the blow. You too can give your sperm. We're not going to exclude you. Yes. So here's what here's a quote from that market. I know exactly. Here's a quote from the doctor. I want to take a please related to this facility. It says stigma can lead to inconsistent taking of medicines

and result much less effective treatment of HIV and risk of transmitting HIV. Fear of stigma and discrimination can stop people at risk from getting tested and those living with HIV from accessing treatment and support. So he thinks they think having this sperm bank with HIV positive sperm that won't give you HIV where lower the fear and stigma around HIV.

Here's the deal. It's a fuck. I agree with you guys, it's a market. Yeah. I honestly don't think. Nobody's demanding this. Yeah, there's plenty of HIV negative sperm that's out there that people will buy. And you're buying this to a kid.

Is there a kid? Or are we, are we, are we just not aware of an area that we're unfamiliar with? It's not our space. Is, is like sperm banks like empty right now? No, they're, is there like a, they drive? Yeah, is there a need for this? No, some donations. Yes.

If that, if that was the case, the cost of giving your sperm to a bank would be enough for, will you see men lining up? Yeah. Fuck it, make it money. Yeah. That was cheap. How much money do you get for donating your sperm?

No, it's the cost these days. How much, Doug? You do it on a Friday, every Friday, right? Yeah. Yeah. 5,000 kids. Yeah, I keep the lights on here. Yeah, yeah.

Every time I see a kid looks like Doug. Doug's always wearing new jewels. Gotta pay the bills somehow. Yeah, he's been guyin' ballin' over here. It's all, all his dope will gain yours. Opportunity cost, you got how much money is just and wasted by now. I know, right?

It could be just like pointless. I think you make like a hundred bucks, something like that. It's like worth nothing. You know how much money women get for their eggs? Just washed right down the thousands, right? Thousands of dollars. Yeah, they get thousands of dollars so expendable. What does it say?

Up to 1500. No, no, no, no. Up to $500 for a one hour donut. First of all, what's in one hour? Yeah, they're expecting more than a few deposits. Donors earned $70 for each donation. And healthy men are able to earn up to $1,000 per month. Wow. Holy cow. $70. Hold on, that's not bad. Think about this. That's not bad. and healthy men are able to earn up to $1,000 per month.

Holy cow. $70. Hold on, that's not bad. Think about this. Think about this. If you're a dude and you do have values, this is great. Yeah, I mean, up to $1,000 a month, just by, you know.

Yeah, I'll probably do it. You're probably right, though. I'd be interested to see what the qualifications for that. It's gotta be a Heligoodsburn. Yeah, you'd be like a perfect pro athlete, 4.0, G&A, it's like you gotta... In which case, you don't give a fuck about earning $1,000 a month.

I'm jerking off. And there's while they're trying to sell a tainted sperm. Yeah, look, if you wanna make money jerking off, you can do way better online. I love the kid. That's it. You can sell your videos.

Oh, that is a mystery, man. Hey, did you guys start your Christmas shopping yet? Or did you get some stuff done? Dude, everything online. I totally took it. Are you done? Yeah, except for maybe one person, but that's it. Yeah, one of our nieces we forgot about.

Now, do you do it with Courtney? Or she do it. She does the majority. I'll give her credit for that. She gets it done and then I kind of like oversee like, yes, no, yes, no, and then I'm like, I'll find a few of them that like for my brother and his kids and stuff, like I know, you know, typically what they like.

So what do you mean you approve and disapprove of social issues? Did she buy a present? You like, I don't like them. No, I don't like it. No. No, I mean like, you know, she'll ask me like, is this probably a good idea for so and so? And this, you know, but that I'm not like, I'm not like the ultimate judge of, you know, she'll ask me, like, is this probably a good idea for so-and-so, and this, you know, for that? I'm not like, I'm not like the ultimate judge of, you know. No, you know, when they ask you sometimes,

certain questions, like, you know, Jessica definitely is in control of how the house looks. She decorates it, she does a phenomenal job. Thank God. Thank God. She does a great job. And I honestly am terrible at it, and I really don't care a whole lot,

but she'll ask me sometimes my opinion, and I know it really is a better, like, would you like better this one or this one? I like that much, like, well, I like this one, so don't really don't care a whole lot, but she'll ask me sometimes my opinion, and I know it really is a better. Like, what do you like better? This one or this one? I like that much. Like, well, I like this one, so we're gonna use this one. Yeah, but the point is you have to decide. You know, like, we have to like say, yes,

I've learned to just do that. You know, instead of being like, whatever, it's stupid now. The move is the flip back. Well, which one did you like? Oh, I like this one. Oh, I like that one too, actually. I pick the opposite one, and she likes every time.

Well, so we went actual Christmas shopping at the mall. Crazy. Yeah, no, you know what, dude? What is with you? It's not me, it's 90. Yeah, what do you think? It's 1985 year old. It's not me, do you talk to my girl?

She loves, she loves the whole thing. She loves. Oh my God. Is there still like Santa Claus there in lines? Like lapsit in and all that? She loves the crowds She loves the Christmas music. She loves the fricking the whole insanity of it all and I used to hate it I used to couldn't couldn't stand it. Yeah, but then I thought to myself. I'm like, okay

She likes it. Maybe I can change my Perception of it a little bit. You know what with age. You're getting so good at reframing bullshit. Oh, you have That's what life is. I'm supposed to be closing himself right now. It's like, you know, I looked at it totally different. And it's like, these long hours. Oh, that's so hot. Where my voice, where my voice like that?

These long hour lines, we get a chance to talk and talk with each other. Why do you make my voice to see all these beautiful kids? I'm not saying that. I'm talking like that. I don't know, bro. Bro, you are closing yourself right now. I'm gonna say no benches and watching you try and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the best.

Hey, no, no, no, no. Yeah, go ahead, finish reframing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no You know, we're getting coffee in between. I'm looking at the marvel of free markets and all this amazing things we can provide people. And I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. You know what I'm saying? I just picture salad of bench, like look, look what capitalists, such a beautiful display. That's some kid goes running by.

Yeah, yeah, spills a slurpee on his lap. Oh, that's so fucking, I love it. I tell you what. In fact, it was crazy. It's cool to see, and I see like, we talked the other day about Meer and our other partner, Viori. These companies now are, they make gift guides. I'm gonna go and do a video. I'm gonna go and do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video.

I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. I'm gonna do a video. In fact, what's crazy, it's cool to see, and I see, like, we talked the other day about Meer and our other partner, Viori, these companies now are, they make gift guides. So I thought Meer was the first one,

and then I was looking at Viori's when I was shopping, and they do the same thing too, where they have a link on their website, they do specifically for the holidays, and it's a gift guide, and so if you're like shopping for, you know, an aunt or an uncle. That's more. Right, no, and so they categorize the apparel for what they would be like,

oh, they more leisure, they more active, they more into this. And then you can like pick from those categories. And chances of like giving a good gift to go up. Well, yeah, well, there's just, I mean, I think companies are getting so smart that they're making it so simple and easy. That's why it's so hard for me to justify going out in those crazy days because it's like, you can now get everything shipped to your house

and even like companies like this. I don't even have to browse the website through all the apparel. It's like, oh, I want this for my aunt. I go right here, there's something bundled together for me. What is this demographic, typically like? I don't know this whole millennial thing. It's weird.

Aren't they doing something where they're doing it? Oh, so they did. So that's actually they did that today. Well, this episode goes out tomorrow, but it was yesterday. They did what's it called? It's called giving Tuesday. I think they call it where every Tuesday they donate or give away and they have a cause right now. I think the national force is doing it for their goal is to plant like 50 million trees. So every purchase on Tuesday, that they planted a tree for every single purchase that was made.

Oh, okay. Yeah, cool, right? I know, that is cool. Now the environment's saved. Yeah. Well, this hysteria can stop. And we look sharp. And we look sharp.

That's all I'm saying. So much oxygen now. You know, like a growing carbon. It's gone, just like that. Just in the Christmas Grinch. The Christmas Grinch. What a jerk. Anyway, hey, I forgot to tell you guys,

while we were shopping, this was part of that story, I went to the Tesla, what is that? It's Santana Roe. Oh, no. Do you put your door on your truck? I actually threw a truck around. Yeah, I don't know, I didn't do that. But I went in there and I'm like,

you know, I haven't really- The Roe Chip truck. But I went in there and I'm like, you know, I haven't really looked. The real chip truck. Because I do appreciate them. There's just so many people on them. That's one of the reasons why I get one. But I like the, you know, kind of what's behind and whatever. So I went in there, I liked the SUV a lot. And I looked up the math for,

and they actually do this for you, to show you how much money you spend charging the car versus how much money you spend on gas. Do you know how much money it costs you to run per year? For 15,000 miles a year for the average Tesla, I think it was the Model 3, I wanna say. Oh, with a Tesla cost? Yeah, I don't know what Tesla,

that can figure out what the regular car costs. 600 bucks, yeah, and regular car is about 65-hundred-year. For the year, for the whole year, dude. That's legit. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Because it's still cost money to plug it in or whatever. Yeah. But 600 bucks, it's not bad. Right, a tenth of what it would cost for you.

Yeah, and so when you add into it. Now, you drive it for five or 10 years, it's already, it's already so pretty. Do they charge you when you go to those charging stations too? Like, some of them are free. Some of them are free. If you go to Whole Foods over here, they have free charging. Uh-huh. Costy nothing, plug it in. Yes, I'm over, okay you go to Whole Foods over here, they have free charging.

Costy nothing, plug it in. Yes, plug it in. Yes, plug it in. Okay. Plug it in. Okay. Santana Ro, the parking lot underneath there, plug it in for free. I thought they're all free.

I think the only place you're paying is when it's connected to your house. To your house. Oh, really? Yeah. Are the super charging stations free too? I don't know. I'm totally throwing bullshit at them. Yeah, that seems like that.

But I thought for very long. I thought that all the stations were technically free and it's just, you're obviously paying your electric bill if it's coming out of your house. So that's probably where the cost is factored in is that, right? That's what I would guess. Yeah, well, again, if you do the math, that the truck you guys don't like,

under 40 grand and now gas is $600 a year, sounds like I'm winning the argument every single time. Yeah, I feel like. Yes. I mean, you could really save money right at bike to work. I'm expecting a message from Elon pretty soon. Hey, Sal. Yeah, thanks for promoting this. Let's do a sponsor for this. You're a drugly truck with my partner.

I mean, I would be in there for you. If they sponsored us, I would take the fucking truck. You know, I would drive it around. You do a whole episode of it. Hey, Sal, you were right. Yeah. Just making all mad Max out with a bunch of cages and barbed wire and shit on it.

Yeah, it'll be cool to see if they do any, like how do you have a truck and not, like, because Tesla, I've never seen a Tesla modified. Have you ever seen a Tesla modified? No, that's a good question. No, just like, I've just seen different paint jobs and rims on it, but that's it. Yeah, and that was the lift, no lowering, no like kits.

Like I've never seen a Tesla modify. Do they even do modifications? And I think you fuck it up. That's what I'm saying. And because it's all ran on a computer system, does that fuck it all up? I guess I know that like even my like my lift entire, you have to go get your your

Spadometer recalibrated because it throws all that off. Yeah, they do all that through the software updates I feel like in the future you're gonna have all these updates that are gonna like beat by hackers So you're gonna be like a website? You know me just download it and it just changes your car. Oh, I was really hydraulic things Well, I would want to hydraulic things. Like, this is like, this is your driving. Well, I would wanna know who, because I know that, like, the TVs, and like, when you put a TV in your car, and I imagine Tesla's the same way too,

like, they won't let, like, movies be playing on the TV screen while you're driving, but I bet you could hack that. I'm sure you could hack it back when you, when I had TVs in my car, you could go, that you would take it to somebody, and they would hack into that so I could play moves.

Wait a minute, they won't let you watch, what about the TV in the back? Those are different. If it's in the front, like where the Tesla is at. Didn't you have a video game console hooked up to yours? It did. What a safe driver. Stop lying.

You can play Mario Brothers to the front TV. Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's a big. I mean, it was the front in the center like Tesla was. No, I mean, I was gonna ask you this. It did, be honest. Did anybody ever use video games while you were? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we was the front in the center like Tesla was. No, I mean, I was kidding. It did, be honest. Did anybody ever use video games while you were? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was in my 20s, right?

So of course we did. Like, what 20 year old idea? Yeah, yeah. No, when you're 20s and you've got expendable income like that, you do weird shit like that. And then we, I mean, we used to go up to, you know, to your point of thinking, I don't use my fucking truck. You said the other day.

You used to drive to the snow. I'm a stone you. You did, isn't it? Because you don't like, because I make fun of people that don't do this. I put in the chabby like that. I was like, fuck off guy, I use my truck. So we would drive up to the snow almost every week

and in the winter, and you know, it's a two and a half hour drive to the snow. And so my buddies that would be in the passenger seat and the back seat would be playing games while we drive up. So yeah, we used it like that. Dang, that's, what's the worst thing you've ever spent money on as a kid to try and look cool?

Oh, like let's like, where have I wasted the most? Yeah, I mean like, oh, this can be cool, but you never, you know, close for sure. Yeah, I mean, I was, I mean, before Ed Hardy became not cool, like when it was underground. So I found an early adopter. Yeah, I found Ed Hardy when it was way underground and you could only find it like boutique shops and drinking red bull vodka with your Ed Hardy sure

Yes, you know, you know, you know the story of that right like why that like why people are teased I made fun of like Ed Hardy affliction shirts now which at one point both those shirts were fucking badass expensive Do Jersey sure or what no they sold they sold they sold the TJ TJ, they started to carry them in TJ Maxx. Oh, dude. And I don't kill. Well, for that, it was, they were boutique brands, like you, you know, Ed Hardy is originated from an artist that, you know, tattoo artist that used to draw, actually draw this. Right, right, right.

And then they would print it on shirts. It was underground. You had to be able to find it in like small places. You were paying $150 a t-shirt. Yeah. It was a big deal, like, and if big deal to get something like that. Well, fast forward five years plus later, I think it was. Now, they become popular, they're making millions of dollars, then they sell out and go to mom's start wearing it.

Well, they go to TJ Maxx, you could buy them for $25. So, there was a point, Sal, to your question, where I had a closet, just probably 50 plus t-shirts that were $150 or more that like oh my god Just at that a couple years later now I would be teased if I wore them again, right? So I bought I would say that was probably one of the big I don't think I'll ever spend that kind of money on a t-shirt ever again, you know Maybe like a nice suit or a nice pair of jeans that will last you 10 years or something like that.

But even then, I'm very careful now because I fell into that trap also of, I had designer jeans at one point that were four, $500 a pair of jeans. Again, wearing them five years. White stitching. Yeah, no, I had those. You know what I'm saying?

And you wear even as old. You can't wear those after five years. So they're cool for a little bit. So what's the point of getting real high quality jeans at last 10 years if you can only wear them for five because five years later you're getting made fun of for wearing them. So that's the biggest waste of money.

Yeah, I bought some shoes, like some flame docks. Yeah, because I thought I was like, I thought I was like this cool rockabilly guy. Yeah, like, and they're like 250 bucks. Like, you know, because it was all custom and leather and all this shit and I'm just like, I thought I was this cool rockabilly guy. Yeah, they're like 250 bucks. Because it was all custom and leather and all the shit and I'm just like, and then I wore them twice and was like, what am I doing?

What, I'm not that guy, you know? Have you ever wasted money like that? You know supplements would probably be the biggest thing. I bought the fucking stacks and all kinds of crazy shit because you know that. Yeah, that's not trying to make yourself look cool. So'm like if you like you impress a girl or something when you're in high school yeah so well I went through a phase where it's kind of embarrassing I was probably 15 and I watched Saturday Night Fever for the first time and John Travolta was like this fucking cool, like a tie-in dude, you know? So automatically I'm like, fuck, that's me.

So my people... Yeah, so for a second there I tried to dress like that for a little bit. 70s? Yeah, you know, a little bit. Like flat, male bottoms and the bottom. You know, the leather jacket and the dowlion, the goldman dowlion. I tried to do the walk thing, the only problem was I couldn't dance, so I could not copy. What am I gonna do is this.

You know what I mean? It was terrible. It was like a character from Greece. Or when I got really into Jiu-Jitsu, like the first year, this is how you know when someone's new into mixed martial arts with Jiu-Jitsu, they start working. Yeah, I knew.

Nobody's been doing it for a long time, but I bought T-shirts, Jiu-Jitsu T-shirts and Jiu-Jitsu hats, and everybody fucking knows they're trained, right? Yeah. I mean, a year later, I'm like, take the shit off of this. Well, that's what happened with a fliction, right? So. You're later on like, pick the shit off. Well, that's what happened with affliction, right?

So affliction, again, was a Nordstrom's brand and it was still cool then. Then they partnered with fighters in the UFC back when the UFC could actually go out and get there. And then all the teams started rocking affliction so it was still cool for a minute. And then it became the douchebag brand that everybody who wants to say,

I'm a fighter, I'm a big guy, rock team. So you're saying the other tap out? Yeah, that whole thing came and went. Yeah, it was funny to watch, because it was crazy though, because they're trying to be like the standards. This is the Nike of the sport, and then all of a sudden you'd catch all these random people

that were just thinking they're an MMA fighter that ruined it. The irony of all those things, it's like at one point, people thought it was cool. Like at one point there was a time when all those things were cool to do. It's when it's not cool to do anymore, is when it's already passed its time,

and you're just now getting on board. Then you look like the guy's like getting jiggy with it. Yeah. Like for a minute, there are people like, yeah, yeah, that's a cool saying. Yeah, like for a minute, there are people like, yeah, yeah, that's a cool saying. Yeah, that's a cool saying. It's like your uncle, your aunt, your grandparents, or your parents, even for that, that use slang

that Filey made its way to them. They finally got to them, they finally understood it. They finally start using it, kids have already moved on for that. I do that shit on purpose to my kids now, just embarrassing shadow on purpose. If they come with their friends, I'll do like, you know, what do they call it,

dabbing or whatever? Oh, I'll do dabbing. My kids are, stop! Stop it, don't do that, so embarrassing. Like for sure. Yeah, the whole, the visco thing, you're like, cxt, cxt, cxt. Yeah, just do that, I do that all the time.

I kid's hate that. Yeah, they get all annoyed, it just fuels me. Yeah, you know what I mean? I find out, you gotta find out the trends, and yeah, yeah, exploit it. Totally exploit them. Shhh. Quiqueau.

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It's an interesting question because there's... There's a cool question. Yeah, because initially I want to answer this from a physiological standpoint and say, it's much harder to build muscle than this to burn body fat. Physiologically speaking, it's a slower process. Now, genetically speaking, or just psychologically, or just culturally. Wow, now we're talking, because physiologically, yes, building muscle, slow, burning body fat can be fast if you do everything right.

But what about all the roadblocks in front of you to trying to burn body fat? I mean, what I used to tell clients was, and this took me kind of, because you're right, physiologically you would say right away the answer is building muscle, because technically I could go to the gym right now and run on the treadmill for five hours straight

and I'm gonna burn off some body fat. I cannot go to the gym and treadmill for five hours straight, and I'm gonna burn off some body fat. I cannot go to the gym and lift for five hours and build a pound of muscle. So technically, if we were to compare it like that, building muscles technically harder. But I would tell clients, and again, this is coming full circle for me as a trainer, after training so many people on both sides of this,

is that the grass is always greener on the other side. So if you're, and, and that's, you have to take into account to genetics. And some people just struggle really hard with losing body fat, being in a caloric deficit, their body to actually burn like that, they've already slowed their metabolism way down. And so creating a large enough deficit for them to shed body fats incredibly hard. But they can go to the gym, touch some weights, and then the next day they feel like they put muscle on. So to me, the grass is always green on the other side,

the side that you've probably had the most challenging with it's hardest for you. Sure, but again, I think for most people, burning body fats hard because it requires more, it requires more fundamental changes in your behavior lifestyle discipline. Then building muscle does. So, like, you could take, I disagree with you. Well, no, it don't look it. I'll tell you what, you take the average person and who's eating too many calories or whatever,

have them lift weights three days a week, they're gonna build muscle. To get them to burn body fat substantially, they have to change their diet, they have, which is very hard, changing diets way harder. Yeah, but take a kid like me, for example, who I was not able to consume,

or I shouldn't say I wasn't able, I wasn't consuming enough calories to support the amount of activity that I was doing. Oh yeah, yeah, you're not the average person though, of course. Well, I mean, there's a lot of kids that, there's a lot of young kids with fast metabolism, and play graphics, like that. Play sports, like athletic kids.

I know that you always have to answer this with depends, because like, yeah, whoever is in front of you, the case you're making right now for him. I'm talking about front of you the case you're making right now for him for the I'm talking about the majority the kid you're the case you're making right now for the majority middle-aged generalized Sure, but I think there's just as many people listening to this podcast that struggle with building muscle as Equally as somebody burning fat. No, it's the grass is green on the other side is the answer to me It's not I don't believe burning fat is more different No, no I a's the grass is green on the other side is the answer to me. It's not I don't believe burning fat is more different

No, no I a hundred percent agree with you, but what I'm saying is the majority because we have an obesity epidemic We don't have a hard gainer epidemic, right? Most for most people when When confronted with this question for most people for them It's burning body fat is harder, which is why when I would get a client We have we have an obesity epidemic because eating over consumption and being fat causes medical problems and not building muscle doesn't cause medical problems. Therefore, it's, it's talked about more, but there is as equal amount of people on the earth right now that would struggle to build muscle

as there would be to build burn body fat. Well, so think about this way. When you got the average client, the average client's goal was, I want to lose weight. What would be the first thing that you would focus on with them? Get them stronger and build more muscle. Correct. Okay. Part of the reason why we do that is it's a smart strategy. They're part of it.

It's easier. It's easier for them to get their mind around that. Okay. Fine. Come to the gym. I'm going to lift weights. I'm going to build muscle. I'm going to get stronger.

We're going to focus on that first. So for most people, it's just a lot tougher. Now, physiologically speaking, it's harder to build muscle. Look, I could, somebody could logically lose 100 pounds in a year. Well, I just may, I can't do that. But gain the 100 pounds of muscle. I can give you an algae in one gym workout.

You could go to the gym and literally burn off like a pound of muscle, maybe not a pound of fat. I mean, you could spend the whole day on the treadmill and you will burn body fat. Like if you spend all day on the treadmill and you don't eat any calories, you for sure will burn body fat. You cannot go to the gym and spend all day at the gym

and build a pound of muscle. Doesn't work that way. So hands down from a physiological aspect, 100% building muscle is more difficult. But I would just, I would make the case that it's normally, the grass is green on the other side, it's always, whatever is more difficult for you, it's more difficult for you.

You know, I've had so many clients that are one or the other. I've had the client who is extremely obese, and boy, I throw him in the gym, they touch some weights, and we just, we pack on the muscle, like you said, it's an easier strategy for those people before we try and to lose body fat. But then I've had the kid or the young adult

who's athletic and moves a lot and has a hard time consuming enough calories. You know, you asked him to come in the gym and add five pounds of muscle. It's like, yeah, nice, I've been trying to add him for the last decade. I tell him to get on a treadmill, reduce calories, they'll lose body fat real fast. So, you know, I think it's, I've been trying at them for the last decade. I tell them to get on a treadmill, reduce calories, they'll lose body fat real fast.

So, you know, I think it's, I think it's equally difficult. In terms of the adaptive processes of the body, fat is a faster, fat gain and fat loss is a faster adaptive process. That's what I mean by physiological. The way that your body burns body fat or stores body fat is based off the thousands of years of evolution, of dealing with lots and lots of times

where we had lots of food or we had no food at all. And so the body does a very good job of bouncing back and forth. Now when it comes to muscle, muscle building muscles also an adaptation. It's a longer slower adaptation. First off, your body doesn't store muscle when you are eating extra calories because muscle is expensive. It also requires something that burning fat

does not. Right. Your body needs a reason to have that muscle. Yes. And you need to feed it in order to do that. See, with with burning body fat, you can go the other direction and you could be extreme and be okay. Like, even though it's not ideal for you long term, I could technically, like using the again, the analogy, I could technically shred a pound of fat off someone's body by starving them and making them run like crazy. You can't do that same thing with, you have to feed the body adequate protein and calories in order for it to build muscle. It's also more specific when you're trying to build muscles. It's also more specific when you're trying to build muscles. It's much more of a specific application of exercises

and technique and sets and reps and burning body fat. You could do it in a more general way. And now this is not ideal, but like Adam's saying, you could just move more and eat less and you're gonna burn some body fat. If you just go to the gym and just randomly work out, you're probably not gonna build and not change eating randomly work out, you're probably not going to build

and not change eating behavior. Yeah, you're probably not going to build any muscle. But that being said, psychologically speaking, most people have such a tough time with burning body fat. It's so hard for them to change their eating behaviors. It's so hard for them to change it. Well, at least in long term, you know, long term way. Yeah, I think they would be like equal. And I'm trying to like decipher which one's harder, but if you try to like extract, if I'm just building lean muscle and I'm not just, you know, consuming whatever the fuck

I wanna consume, and I'm very disciplined in my, you know, regiment and I'm trying to like build this lean muscle versus, you know, maintain like the current amount of lean muscle mass I have while cutting down. I mean, those two processes are pretty damn equal in my opinion. Well, to support more of your argument, so I know the direction you're going. And what I do agree with is that most clients, the majority probably listening,

the majority of people that we would take on have fucked up their metabolism. They have, you know, yo-yo dieted so many times, and when they come to you 50, 100 pounds, whatever overweight, a lot of times where their caloric maintenance is at, is already in a very challenging place to take them to immediately start to lose body fat. I mean, more often than not, I get the client who's got 30 or more pounds of body fat they want to lose.

They sit in front of me, you would think that, oh, this person's really fat, they must be eating 5,000 calories and McDonald's every day and it's, no, not at all. In fact, a lot of times that person is eating nowhere near that and that's because they have slowed their metabolism down from poor choices of exercise and poor choices of food for such a long period of time, that when we get them as a, as a trainer, man, yeah, burning fat right away is really challenging

because the state that they're currently in, you know, and so that's why taking them into a muscle building focus first is going to, is advantageous for us. Now, the, the irony of this is that building muscle helps burning to burn body fat. Burning body fat doesn't necessarily help building muscle. But in other words, regardless of what your goal is, if your goal is to lose lots of body fat or your goal is obviously to build muscle, build muscle first. Build muscle.

Building more muscle will make any goal you have much easier, especially the fat loss one. This is a big one that we communicate all the time. When people's ultimate goal is to lose weight, I think they focus so heavy on burning tissue that they just care about pounds coming off the scale, not realizing that they may be setting themselves up for long-term failure, short term success,

but long term failure. Building muscle helps with long term success regardless of what your goal is. So I always focus on that regardless of what the client's goal is. Next question is from DH McKay 09. What's the deal with milks? Our almond? What's the deal? Our almond is soy milk, more or less processed and regular dairy?

You know what? So you want to talk about marketing, brilliant marketing? I don't even understand this question. What's the deal with, what are the deal with them? Like all milks? Yeah. All the milk, soy milk, coconut milk, all. Are they more or less processed?

So first off, this makes me laugh because you want to talk about the brilliance of marketing. There's only one milk. Okay, those are the kind that comes from animals. Cow milk, goat milk, and camel milk, whatever. It comes from animals. Not teats. Okay, so soy and almond milk. It's telling you just like almond juice.

They're juices. Yes, that's exactly what they are. This is a juice. They're not milks. Now they call them milks because it makes them more palatable. Right, imagine if exactly what they are. Yes, it's a juice. They're not milks. Now, they call them milks because it makes them more palatable, right? Imagine if you went to the store and you bought soy milk or almond juice. I mean, soy juice or almond juice doesn't sound as palatable.

Plus they're white and what they're trying to do is they're trying to penetrate into a staple market by labeling something milk, which is brilliant. I actually never even thought about this. Oh, this is a funny question. No, I'm even going here. No, I'm brilliant. I actually never even thought about this. It's funny question. No, I'm even going here. But it's so true. But it's totally, right? Now, processed, okay.

Process refers to all the steps it takes between taking something from, it's initial form to your plate or whatever. Okay. Milk account, technically if it's a healthy cow and everything, you could just drink the milk right there. All men's in soy, there's more of a process that goes in another minimally processed,

they could be minimally processed, but there's still process. And oftentimes, there's more things added to them to make them more nutritious. If you can tolerate dairy, dairy is fine. In fact, it's actually can be quite healthy, especially if it's from good sources. But I mean, I feel like you should address this whole process conversation too. It reminds me of the post on our forum just recently too. It's almost impossible today to eat a diet and not get some, somewhat of processed food in there.

And I know we've talked about it as, you know, one of the major contributors to the obesity, I believe. And I think because of that, I think, I would never want our audience to think that, like, I go through my day and I don't have anything that's processed, like, it's just, it's part of, it's part of it.

Now, do I target whole natural foods for a majority of what I consume? Absolutely, am I always there? But I'm also not going to fret over my almond milk being processed or not a hippie Nazi. Well, technically processed, everything that's in your combo. Technically everything in your grocery stores process,

technically even a piece of steak, unless you've ever seen a piece of steak running around outside. I want steak milk. Yeah, look at the fact that it's been cut and placed in a package and covered, you know, with plastics, so you can look at it and it looks nice. Yeah, the goal is less processed, right? Right. Now, here's a deal with processed food.

Be aware of its impact on your body. In the main potential detriment of processed. By the way, there's a lot of benefits to process food also. I want to be very clear. We can feed more people, it doesn't go bad as easily. It's an easy way to deliver nutrition to people, especially around the world. You know, whole natural foods tend to go bad. So for trying to ship food to other countries or whatever, difficult to do because by the time it gets there, it's not good anymore. We actually waste more food when it's unprocessed as well. So there's some benefits,

but here's some of the potential detriment. They make you eat more. They're designed to make you eat more. And does that mean you should be like afraid of them? Not be aware. Just be aware. Look, I drink alcohol sometimes. There's alcoholics out there.

I know that. I know there's potential detriment to it, but I drink it sometimes. I do lotsics out there. I know that, I know there's potential detriments to it, but I drink it sometimes, you know. I do lots of, sometimes I can't eat as well. I think we live in the real world and real balance means being aware of these things and be able to navigate your life

in a relatively healthy, stress free way. There's a lot of fitness, you know, lunatics, fitness enthusiasts that are fanatics, who they're so afraid of everything. They avoid everything in the pursuit of becoming healthier. And in reality, the health is being harmed because of their stress, the rigidity, and the fact that they sacrifice their relationships with people around them. They don't go places because they're afraid of the food and the whatever that's there.

We live in the real world. Process, it's okay, but just know what you're dealing with and make smart decisions. But as far as milks are concerned, if you can tolerate dairy, there is no milk that's better than dairy. Not a nutrient-wise. Nutrient-wise, it's incredible.

It's been a staple for humans in some regions for thousands of years. The full fat, by the way, full fat, organic. If you can find raw, non-homogenized, from good, well-sourced cows, boy, that stuff's got some incredible... The health gang is con. Health benefit.

That's a good point, they did. They were able to travel with that and milk their animals and made them strong as shit. Now that's always my argument for cheese. That's right. Yeah, gang is con did it. Next question is from Fetchman19. What tips or advice would you give to someone

who suffers from body dysmorphia and is triggered in a gym? Train at home. Yeah, you don't have to go to the gym. Yeah. At all. Have you guys ever met anybody like this? Yeah. Yeah.

And like I've had clients that have come in that have been very super self-conscious and have really had to take my time with, you know, like, like, staying in a... And this is where I really just kind of find a spot where they are comfortable. And then we kind of just work from there and just slowly sort of introduce things and

It's definitely a slow gradual, you know process of an introduction to different things so they feel confident I think I think like I think everybody kind of falls on on a spectrum here like I feel like all the clients that I trained are Somewhere here like to Justin's point. I think that was really common that I would go get a little block off a little five by five square in the corner of the gym. So more of a freeway. So yeah, I bring dumbbells over, and straight bar stuff, whatever I needed.

And we would do the whole session there to where he or she felt very private with me even though we're in this public gym. So I think, and then that's the extreme, right, where someone they come in and they're just, like, they're so worried about everybody looking at them. So you do things like that. But I mean, I think everybody has a little bit

of being self-conscious, especially when you first come in the gym, and that part of a trainer is coaching them through that process that, honestly, most people here, they're here for themselves, and what they're working on their own goals, they probably don't give a shit about you and where you're at. They all had to start somewhere. Most people in the gym too, it's amazing, or growth-minded people, they're working on their own goals, they probably don't give a shit about you and where you're at. They all had to start somewhere. Most people in the gym too, it's amazing,

or growth-minded people, they're trying to improve themselves. So they're not judging you, they're probably more supportive. This is the same common conversation that we would have. The gyms that my female clients were most intimidated, they would probably be the most accepted in, like going into a very body-builder-esque, or power-lifter gym seems so scary because the bodies look so amazing.

Oh my God, everybody there will help you. Yeah, but the irony of those are some of the most amazing people to talk to inside the gym because they've dedicated their whole life to working in there. They see someone like you who's starting and it motivates them and inspires them and most all of them are actually really cool to talk to.

Well, I feel like we also had this in mind when we were going through like what to put up for our YouTube content. Like I think that people can and have access to information now that like, you know, as we were coming up through like getting into the gym was, it was definitely intimidating

if you didn't already know what you're doing. But if you have the ability to kind of go through the videos, watch, you know, like certain exercises that might, you know, be more intimidating for you. So you have some kind of grasp of it and you can practice it at your house or, you know, like you just, you can gain more knowledge that way coming into the gym. I think, you know, it's very empowering that way. And I think a lot of that will dissolve over, you know, the amount of information that you consume. Yeah. And this is a question is a great opportunity to talk about how you would communicate

to somebody who's trying to maybe embark on a fitness journey, but has some some some roadblocks. You know, I just read a post earlier by a trainer who talked about how, you know, one of the main reasons why people say they can't work out is that I haven't have time. Now this person's argument was... That's a software of putting it. It was a lot more bold. Oh yeah, and the way they put it was bullshit. Everybody has the same hours during the week. You know, three hours for the week is only 1.7% of your total time. Anybody can have time.

You just have to make time, which is technically correct, but is a terrible way to positively influence someone. So someone like this who says, you know, oh God, I want to work out, but I'm really afraid of the gym. Some trainers might be like, oh, who cares? Come to the gym, nobody gives a shit. Let's come work out.

You got to be fearless. Come to, you know, you're not going to come work out. You got to be fearless come You know they got to be you're not gonna help that person the reality is Anywhere you can be active is better than doing nothing at all, right? You can work out at home and working out at home is far better than not doing anything at all Well, this is where I completely started to change the way I communicated Walking to clients. I mean I told you in the show before that, if someone told me that if I asked him what do you do for exercise and they said they walk every day for a mile or whatever, I would scoff at that, like it's not exercise,

which is the complete opposite now, because someone like this, this is a classic example of what a great place for this person starts. Hey, you know, if you don't like coming to the gym right now, don't go to the gym. It says you need to do that, like, let's create some new, good behaviors and habits that you weren't currently doing, have you don't like coming to the gym right now, don't go to the gym. Yeah. It says you need to do that. Yeah.

Like, let's create some new good behaviors and habits that you weren't currently doing. Have you ever gone for a 30 minute walk every day? Totally. And they go, no, I've never done that. Do you think you can commit to 30 minutes of walking every single day? Yes, I do. Well, guess what? That's seven days a week times 30 minutes.

That's actually a good amount of exercise for somebody who was not doing it whatsoever. You need something to build on. Right. Yeah. And a lot of times, like, that's doing it whatsoever. You need something to build on. Right. Yeah. And a lot of times, like, that's where it's hard because they want to build everything at once and they want to get, like, you know, go to, to, you know, intermediate status, like right away. It's like, no, like, take your time, find out what you can do first.

Yeah. One of those few things you can do right now. Was that look like? Now, younger, younger me, with a person like this, would really try hard to convince them to go to the gym. I tried motivating them. I try using logic and know the gym is the best place. You gotta be fearless.

This is for your health. And now I would try and do that. And what I went in to happening is I would talk someone out of it. I would make such a compelling case that the gym is the best place to work out. Or they do it begrudgingly and then they fucking, then they go and they never come back again. Right, right.

Or I make such a good case for the gym that the person thinks, well, that's the only place I'll get fit, but I'm not going to go there. So I'm not doing anything at all. And I would have lost the person entirely. Just like I said earlier with the, with the whole time argument, instead what's the goal? The goal is to get the person to start somewhere. Now here's the irony of this, okay? The irony is you take someone like this

who's afraid of going to the gym because they're being triggered and you tell them you don't gotta go to the gym, just do some stuff at home. And let's say they start with two exercises at home and they just practice those. And eventually they do three exercises and then four exercises.

Do you think they're gonna have more confidence to go into a gym? Of course. Now they've been doing something. Now they're kind of into it and they think, okay, maybe now I have the courage to step in the gym. So this is a lesson for all you trainers out there, you know, put you, be empathetic and remember what your goal is. Your goal is not to be right. You're not trying to win an argument with the person or to tell them what the best thing is necessarily. Your goal is to influence them positively and any step forward is a step forward.

Next question is from M. Bohan. If you found yourself single again, would you use a dating app to meet someone? Why? Why not? Go on. Go on. Wait, did anybody actually use one? No, I've never used one.

No, I've never used one. How old are we when this happens? Are we today? No, no, no. Oh, okay, because today, no, definitely not. You, I was holding on to that. How would you date, think about our schedule, our, the work, our lives, the fact that you're almost 40,

you know the bar? To find the girls 40 years. Jesus, guy, great hair. You know what, the bar? Hey, I'm a social butterfly guy. Come on, I'm the same. Today, I would definitely, you know, the 22-year-old douchebag me would, though, for sure, because I would look at it like,

I'm gonna, you know, take, shoot, and shoot. Yeah, my, how my boy does it. Like, my buddy does it like that. I think I shared it on the podcast before that he run, he has, like, line up your whole week. Yeah, three or four of those apps, and he's got like the whole week lined up of dates and I would totally view that guy where now if I was single at almost 40, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. Here's the thing what I have what I've learned in all my years of being

single and dating is that it's amazing. I love why is that? Well, it's it's it's amazing when you stop searching for a partner. Well, I'm actually in the middle of actually talking and coaching a client friend of mine who's in their mid-50s and single for the first time. And this is the conversation that we've been having. And one of the things that I keep telling her is that when you're so hung up on trying to find another partner or date or figure all that out, it's amazing how difficult it is.

And the moment that you just let all that go and put all that energy and effort that you were probably going to apply to apps and pour it into yourself and improving who you are, it's pretty wild how you will attract the right person or come across the right person when the right time is supposed to happen. And I've seen this happen many times in my own personal life, and I've seen it happen tons of times and all the clients that I've trained

that were single and going through the same thing. And it always plays out this way. So I would treat the same way. I would be like, wow, I'm single now. If I'm not in a relationship, I don't have a kid, I don't have all these other things that take up a lot of my time.

That all said and just frees up. Hours on hours on developing myself more, and shit will happen. And as you're developing yourself, wouldn't you think too, like you get stuck in a pattern where you see the same people all the time, you cross the same paths. Like you need to, as working on yourself, you gotta do something different.

You gotta get out there, you gotta find some other interest or something that you can sort of fill your cup with, which then presents an opportunity with a whole new sort of pool of people. You're a date app guy for shopping. I'm gonna disagree. I think that dating online and using apps is more valuable to people as they age

than it is to younger people. Now I know young people use them. No, I agree with that. But statistically speaking, the fastest growing demographic of people who use these apps are older people because they have jobs. Oftentimes they're divorced or they have kids. They have lots of responsibilities. They don't want to go hang out at bars and concerts and places where they're going to

necessarily mingle with people that don't necessarily feel like they fit in there. Going on an app, and of course there's different apps, there's the ones that you're trying to hook up, but then there's the ones that are more geared towards relationships. I would totally use it because I'm busy, I'm not trying to go out and drink and hook up with people.

I want to like meet people. It might be a great way to do that. Statistically speaking, you're 100% right. I just don't, the question is us. I don't think I'm that guy. I think again, on the guy that would pour himself into all the things that would better me, I think by that, whether that be going to some seminar

where I'm learning something in Barnes and Noble, reading a book, you know, at these places that I'm not currently at right now because I'm in a relationship, have a kid, and I'm busy as fuck, I would be doing those things. And I wouldn't be surprised if I ran into someone and struck up a concert just looking for a good smash. Right. Wow. That's the only. That's the only. Yeah. That's a nice thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. But you're, I mean, you're a cell. You're right mean, you know they say now, I think it's three out of four, what's the stats on this stuff? You can look it up,

three out of four relationships, they start online. It's like the statistics are reaching. So you guys know I used to train a lot of people that were over the age of 60 and 65, right? And quite a few of them were either widowed, especially after 70, so a lot of them were women older than 70

and they were widowed or divorced. And they were using these online dating apps and stuff. And it was, at their age, phenomenal, because I couldn't imagine trying to meet someone when you're 70. My mom and her husband on it right now. My last client did one of those crazy services

where she paid crazy money for one of those ones where they actually take you through, they have some of these where they take you like through counseling first and then they drop you into it's like 50 grand like yeah. She found her. Oh yeah, she found her husband. She got married. Yeah. She just got married this last year to him. Wow. And it was amazing. And she's trying to turn one of my other clients on to like what makes me wonder about stuff like that is. Okay, definitely they match you based off your likes and stuff like that. But I find I wonder if it's simply because they've pulled together

the people serious enough about finding a partner or a spend 50 grand. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, well, we're very serious about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then if you're a counselor, you can see who's got what type of issues you don't want to pair.

You don't want to pair two insecure people together. That's going to be a fucking nightmare. So let's say if you were single now, what would be your ideal situation to meet someone? Forget the app for a second. Like it would be, it would really be. So my ideal way of meeting someone would be exactly what I said, it would be I would be in pursuit of doing something that is improving or growing myself and ran into somebody else who is probably doing the same thing. We both happen to be at a Jordan Peterson talk,

or something, and I'm saying, and we're like a slayer concert, or that. Yes, so it could be that. She's cool. She's a little dark. Yes, she's cool. But I mean, I think that that's how I would want to define somebody like, and I would say that,

not shitting on the abs, and knowing fully aware of the statistics behind that, and I would say that not shooting on the abs, not and knowing fully aware of the statistics behind that. And I know a lot of people go that direction. It's just not my style. Well, one of the ways Jessica, when I first saw Jessica, it was she was literally head-barried in a thick book. I don't remember exactly what she was reading, but it was like, it was hard, it was deep material.

She had glasses on and she's like totally into this book. And I'm looking at her and I'm like, hey, my name's Sound. She looked up, she said, hi, we're right back to her book and I was like, down. That's what I'm saying. You can't tell me that, and I know you're going the dating app route, but you can't tell me that you may now,

you would find yourself with, if you had no kids, no relationship, you had more free time, you wouldn't find yourself at, like in, a Jordan Peterson talk or at a Barnes and Noble reading a book and, oh, you had more free time. You wouldn't find yourself at, like, in, a Jordan Peterson talk, or at a Barnes and Noble reading a book, and, oh, you're walking down the line pump of it. You're walking down the political session, and there's a cute girl reading on the floor, some free market book, and you're not going to say hi to her. You're not going to find very many girls.

You would never find them. You know, Freeman's my hero. Never, dude. You might, bro. You wouldn't free me my hero. Never, dude. You might, bro. You might. You know what I'm saying? They're pursued by like 15 other dudes like, three people, the only ones.

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