Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1188: Why Some People Build Muscle Faster (Not Just Genetics), the Value of Adding High Reps to Your Workout, How Long to Rest Between Sets & MORE

Episode Date: December 20, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why it’s easier for some people to build muscle than others, why strength training requires more rest than hypertrophy training, if there is ever a need to go above 12 reps, and strategies to avoid burnout as a trainer. Sal is getting married!! (5:00) There is now a dating app based on genetic matching! (15:06) Mind Pump is ending their relationship with Skinny Dipped. What will Justin do?! (23:03) Good old-fashioned advice. If you follow these three steps, you will stay in the middle class. (24:12) Are Italians the world’s most healthy people? (26:30) Mind Pump talks about politics. (29:53) Did dinosaurs have feathers? (37:12) Happy 5th anniversary to Mind Pump!! Come join the celebration at Organifi HQ. (41:38) #Quah question #1 – Why do you think it’s easier for some people to build muscle than others? Does it always come down to genetics? (46:22) #Quah question #2 – Why does strength training require more rest than hypertrophy training? Or is it that it is much more demanding? (56:23) #Quah question #3 – Is there ever a need to go above 12 reps or are you wasting your time after that? (1:03:18) #Quah question #4 – What are some strategies to avoid burnout as a trainer and tips for making time to train yourself? (1:07:26) People Mentioned Christina Rice, NTP (@christinaricewellness)  Instagram Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurbrooks)  Twitter Shanna Mota (@shannamota)  Instagram Dr. Ben Pollack (@phdeadlift)  Instagram Stan "Rhino" Efferding - CSCS (@stanefferding)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic ½ off! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** Could DNA-based dating rewrite the laws of attraction? Visit Skinny Dipped for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** These Are the World’s Healthiest Nations China Cracks Down on Fentanyl. But Is It Enough to End the U.S. Epidemic? 'Beautiful' dinosaur tail found preserved in amber Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Visit Four Sigmatic for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Organifi - San Diego, CA - Inc.com Are There Heavy Metals In My Protein Powder? - Organifi Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. We pick the best ones, and then we answer them. And in the beginning of the episode, we do our introductory conversation where we talk about current events. We had a hidden guest on this one. The news, and we have a lot of fun. And today's episode has special guest, Christina from the wellness, excuse me,

realness wellness podcast. No wellness realness. Yeah, realness wellness podcast. That's all right. So we started by talking about my wedding, me realness wellness. Yeah, don't get. No wellness realness. Yeah, realness wellness podcast. That's right. So, so we started by talking about my wedding, apparently I'm getting married, and they found out through email, sorry, fellas. Yeah.

We talked about it. That's for that. A new DNA dating app, apparently people are meeting up with each other based on their genetics. That's kind of weird. We talked about a skinny dip. This is our last commercial with skinny dipped, Justin is totally distraught. I'm gonna go cry later.

Because he can't eat chocolate almonds all day anymore. Now skinny dipped still is one of our sponsors and we have a discount for you. If you go to skinny dipped.com, forward slash mind pump and enter the code, mind pump, you'll get a massive 20% off. Then we talked about the three rules to escaping poverty read an article. If you do those three things, you're very likely to escape poverty. I talked about how Italians are the world's healthiest people. We talked a little bit about politics, the impeachment process, so what's going on right now, the Democratic candidates, and

China, we talked about the feather dinosaur tail that was found, and our five year upcoming five year anniversary party at Organify headquarters, and of course, Organify the makers of organic supplements and vegan protein powders. They are one of our favorite sponsors and partners. If you go to Organify.com forward slash MindPump and use the code MindPump, you'll get 20%ify.com, forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Then we got into the fitness questions. The first question was, why is it so easy for some people to build muscle?

Is it genetics? So we talk all about the factors that can play into somebody being able to build muscle easily versus others who might maybe look like it's a tough thing for them. Is it just genetics or are there other things? Next question, why does strength training require more rest than hypertrophy, aka muscle building type training? So why do you have the rest longer between sets when you're trying to train for maximal strength? The next question, is there ever a need

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for the discount. The vibrating sound coming from the back, that was in the back there with the construction, reminds me of the time. They ever tell you guys about the time the we had someone working on the house and they heard one of our... Yeah, you're stuck. No, they heard one of our vibrators. Yeah. Did I tell you about this the time the we had someone working on the house and they heard one of our... You get used to stuck.

No, they heard one of our vibrators. Yeah. Did I tell you about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a true storm roll. Sure story. No, no, no, no, no. No, upstairs, it was kicked on

and they could hear it vibrating. You told us to throw it twice. Did I? Yeah. That's not how it went though. No, no, it was, you tell the story where... I remember it. You could hear this, yeah upstairs. No, we we had a guy we had a guy going under the house

That's what it was and he was doing work for us under the house Uh-huh, and he comes back inside and he goes I hear a weird sound I can't figure out what it's coming from so I go underneath the house with him and I'm listening It's like What is that? What the fuck is that? Yeah, couldn't figure it out. Finally, I'm like, what's directly above me? Oh shit. Pause it.

It was on the floor. Just left from the night before. And then I went, yeah, I went back down. He's like, it just turned off. I'm like, weird. Yeah, that's weird. Just turned out really weird. That's it.

How did it turn on? I have no idea. Hey, you're not allowed to talk. Yeah, what are you doing? Just sit there. I can talk. No, no, your job is to read the questions. Looting everything.

You're doing everything. Yeah, yeah. I'll cue you when you're allowed to talk. Oh, man. I'm just gracious. Just sit there and look pretty little girl. You're doing it, you're doing it. You're doing it, you're doing it.

Yeah. Hey, so I open up my base camp two days ago. Oh, we're talking about this. I'm looking at trips that I want to plan. I opened up my base camp two days ago. And I'm looking at trips that I want to plan. Because we're looking ahead and trying to make sure everything's in order. Yeah, and Katrina goes, Sal's getting married in February.

Surprise. And I was like, what? That didn't have. Base camp told you. Yes, instantly texts the group thread. And Sal is like, what? It's a base camp told you. Yes, instantly texted the group thread and Sal is like, yeah, guys, I was fucking, I'm getting married in February. Like literally we found out through base camp. Yeah, don't worry.

Yeah, it's not. You were the worst friend ever. No, no, no, no, you have to understand what happened. I, when I know I'm gonna do something, I have to put it in base camp before I forget. So it's so the same where you forget to tell your friends. No, no, no, no. Before I listen, before I forget to mark off those dates,

because I've done this in the past, to Katrina and every other assistant that's ever working with me or whatever, I'm terrible with remembering myself. This gives me so little time to plan the bachelor party. Yeah, we're gonna do a bachelor party. It's gonna be crazy now. We have to.

Yeah, I'm 40. We're gonna get the last minute. What kind of a bachelor party? It's gonna be crazy now. We have to. Yeah, I'm 40. I mean, we're gonna get the last minute. What kind of a bachelor party? You're gonna have to push the you're gonna have to push this date out, man. We need to have a party. Yeah, what do I do? Watch a movie. Yeah, we're not gonna air it. I'll say that. Cool golfing. Good. No, the day that I put it in base camp, that's that day. That's the same day that we decided on the date that we were gonna go up to City Hall and do the whole thing. So I was literally gonna tell you guys the next day on we decided on the date that we were gonna go up to City Hall and do the whole thing. So I was literally gonna tell you guys the next day on the way up there.

Oh, by the way. Except that you tagged us all in the email, you know, responding. You know, I'm terrible with remembering. I'm not sure. No, I saw that night text you. I was like, what the hell is this bro? I was like, oh yeah, they can see this.

For God. No, we were, we were, we've been, you know, on and off kind of talking about it here and there. And we also have been talking about in the past, like maybe having a child and trying for a baby and all that stuff. And I had a lot of fears over commitment and over having another child left over from getting divorced. I was married for 15 years, I have two kids.

It's very difficult process. And when you leave a a situation like I'm sure people listening who have been divorced can maybe relate. It leaves you, it can leave you fearful, but here I am with a woman who's phenomenal, excellent, you know, acts like a stepmom to my kids, even though she's not married to me. We have a great relationship, she puts up with all my insecurities and fears around that kind of stuff and I finally got to the point where Okay, I think this is I'm ready and you know, I we started talking about it and the problem is is that If we were gonna start trying to get pregnant there was a certain window to do so because she wants her mom to be here for it and Then that means that if we were gonna get married we'd either have to happen after

potentially having a child or right before or right around the same time. And I want my kids to see us married first and all that stuff. So it just was like boom, boom, boom. So all the fear gone. It was a long process, but when it finally left, it was like, man, everything just opened up. It was there, it was lingering. And that's the thing about fear as it's doubt. And if it stays, if the doubt is there, it could, it can poison you a little bit.

But I was also very careful in the past, I'd mention these things to her. And I kind of waver back and forth, which wasn't very fair. So a while ago, I made it, I said, I'm not gonna talk about this anymore, unless I'm totally ready to do this. And through that whole process, I'm not working on things and stuff. So that's it, man. Yeah, so I'm surprised.

No, congratulations. Yeah. Like, it feels so, like, you took the wind out for me. I was like, I was like, I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah.

I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it can crash. Are you guys really mad at it, guys? Before I run out, you can't know. I mean, we gotta give you shit about it though. I mean, that's like, come on. That's your job, yeah. Yeah, that just accelerated fast.

That went from like thinking about it to like happening like really quick. Well, it was, again, it was, when it's in base camp, it's real. Honestly, the goal was, I was gonna surprise her. We were gonna go on a trip in February and I was gonna surprise her there. But then the window of, when we're gonna try having a baby and all that stuff, I had to happen a little sooner.

So anyway, I talked to the kids too. We told the kids about it. Yeah, what do they think? The best response you could ever imagine. Awesome. Absolutely incredible. We told the kids, and I don't, you never know what kids are gonna say. You have two amazing kids,

which brings me to another point. Do you know anybody that has four amazing kids? My parents. My parents have four of them. Justin and I were trying to figure out the other day because I have zero, you know, I don't know anybody. Really? Is there always one?

Yeah. There's always the odds, kids. There's the ones that killed my kids, goldfish. Yeah. And four kids. Yeah. And there's always one. Yeah. The odds get in. There's the ones that killed my kids goldfish. Yeah. And for kids. Yeah. And there's another one. I have many examples of you.

I mean, you hit it out the park with the first two. That's a lot to live up to. Yeah. The other two are going to see like these kids that went to private schools, 4.0 GPA. Yeah. Well, it started getting, you know, a little bit out of your face. Yeah. No, I, when we told the kids, I didn't know what to expect.

I thought maybe my, maybe my daughter would be a little jealous because she's the youngest or, you know, are they gonna worry about dad spending more time? Because, you know, my kids are, it's, it's dual custody with my ex-wife, right? So they're with us half the time, but if I have a child with Jessica, obviously they're gonna be with me all the time.

So I thought, oh, you know, wonder, with, there's a lot of potential, you know, issues and questions. Right. But no, my kid, right out the gates, I told my son, picked them up from school, were driving home and I'm like, hey, you know, just want to let you know that Jessica and I are going to get married. And my son, he lives in a three to five range. Well, at least in email him. Yeah.

I sent him a text. He lives in a three to five range. Well, at least in email him. Yeah. I sent him a text. He lives in a three to five range. And he's a typical 14 year old boy teenager where he doesn't go below a three, never goes above a five. Everything's kind of like, and I mean, that's his answer to everything. So I told him, and he smiled, which was a good sign.

And he goes, that's cool. He goes, I already told my friends that she's my stepmom anyway. So I'm like, oh, that's cute. That's sweet. Because he's a hot stepmom. That's why. That's cool. He goes, I already told my friends that she's my stepmom anyway. So I'm like, oh, that's cool. That's sweet. Because she's a hot stepmom. That's why.

That's it. Bro, for sure, he's a high school kid. You've got the fun with him. Come over. Yeah, come check out my stepmom. She's really me. I'm kidding. Yeah.

I blame porn, hope for all that stuff. I'm really other video on it. Then my daughter, she was so excited. Her questions were, can I help decorate the baby's room? Can I help you pick out a dress? You guys are not supposed to see each other the day of the wedding. Super excited, and since we've told them,

they're like so happy. And it makes perfect sense when two kids see a couple that they consider as parental figures, me for sure is a biological father, Jessica, who's lived with them now for almost four years, it makes sense that they see this natural. I mean, like, oh, they love us both, we love them. We're gonna get, well, why wouldn't they be,

you know, happy and excited? So it's kind of exciting. Told my parents, they were, of course, my mom was ridiculous. Here's my mom. You come from big families, so that's like more course, my mom was ridiculous. Oh, yeah. Here's my mom. You come from big family, so that's more kids. More the mayor. More, yeah, exactly.

Oh, dude, this is my mom. So, you know, we tell my mom and, you know, I'm like, you know, we're probably, we're gonna, you know, try having a baby and they're all excited. My mom's like, I see at least two or three kids. That's what I see in the future. Free. Like, mom, come down. My God.

Relax, you know. No, just, just, her or you, do you, either one of you have any like cynical family members who are just like, oh, come down. My job. Relax, you know? Now does her or you, do you either one of you have any like cynical family members who are just like, oh, you guys shouldn't do that or is everybody? My family is so family oriented. Yeah. So pro and hers too.

You know, when we do family function, so maybe four, might have been a month ago. Like none of her family is worried about you, you're dying too early, because how much older you are. He's 10 to 10. That was older. been a month ago. Like none of her family is worried about you dying too early because how much older you are. That much older. I'm fit.

No, the dammit silver going into a new. Yeah. Like you sure, Jessica, you know, he's got quite a few years on you. No, everybody's in his juvenile. Everybody's super supportive. My it's funny. Four weeks ago, four or five weeks ago, we were up at, we visited my sister up in San Mateo and we were watching her youngest son. This little, I told

you guys about him. He's a little turkey. Anyway, we're having a good time. Later on the day, my parents come to visit and my dad, he sees Jessica family parties. And we're at a family party, and there's a baby or a kid. Jessica is going to be with the kid. It's just her favorite thing, right? So my dad's watching her and he looks at me, pulls me aside, starts speaking of time, so she doesn't understand. And he goes, so do you think you can have a kid with her or something?

And I'm like, why? And he goes, she's 100% for sure. That's, look at her. She needs to have a baby. He's looking at me and I'm like, yeah, I think I'm gonna, this is about five weeks ago. I didn't tell anybody, I just told my dad. So he knew, you know what I mean?

Now everybody knows now, right? The whole family knows. We told everybody. Yeah, everybody knows about the whole thing. We were lost. You didn't know. You guys were actually, uh, third. Yeah.

Okay. So I'm gonna go the awkward phase of sing. We're trying. Oh, yeah. We're trying. We're trying. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, whatever, you know, God willing or whatever it's, uh, we'll try. And if it works out, the way, you know, at the timing are all, we're trying. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, whatever, you know, God willing or whatever it's, we'll try.

And if it works out the way, you know, the timing are all, it's perfect. Yeah. If not, we'll be happy. There's a lot of fun practicing. Yeah, what's I'm saying? I love practice. Yeah.

Practice makes perfect. Yeah, I think it was a year and a half to Katrina and I. That was a long time. Well, you guys took a while because you didn't know that she had the assist. Yeah. Yeah. Soon as that got taken care of. I mean, that's what we assume, right?

Because it seemed like right after that happened that she got pregnant right away. Although there is some speculation that it happened before because it was so, it was so quick. Oh, I see. Yeah, and he was four weeks early too. So some of that speculation is, was he four weeks early or did it actually happen?

Did he get pregnant a little bit earlier? Dude, in my family right now, you have my, I have two cousins, my ex-brother-in-law, who's like a brother to me, I grew up with them. And even maybe my brother are all probably gonna get hitched and start trying within the next year or two also. So this could potentially be like an explosion of... Just Stephanie.

Who's taking over? Start a little arm, you know what I mean? Down the hatches of children. Hey, speaking of relationships, did you see the new DNA dating app? No, what? I did see that. It's called DigiDate.

So DigiDate. Yeah, like DigiDate, you know? And it's D-A. Yeah. DigiDate, DigiDate. It's D-I-G-I and then D and then number eight. DigiDate. DigiDate.

Yeah. D-A is just eight. Yeah. What did I then D and then number eight. Yeah, digitate. Digitate? Yeah. Eight is just eight. Yeah. What did I say? Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate.

Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate.

Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. Digitate. on potentially if there's a problem, you know, trait, so they don't even like present people that might have like carry a certain, you know, like problematic disease that would pair with them.

So, but I don't know that the science is shaky with it. Well, I heard they get, so the article I read was talking about how they got a lot of flack for that because like eugenics. Yes. So that, you got a lot of pushback from the, from people saying like, oh, we're trying to do this. Yeah, because there are lots of situations where you, well, you'll have a recessive gene

for a genetic disorder. And it's not a problem unless you get with someone who has the same gene, in which case, then all of a sudden you see a genetic, you know, genetic issue pop up. Like I have a friend who has a gene, a recessive gene, I think for, I think it's Lou Gehrig's disease. And it's totally fine as long as he doesn't get with somebody who has the same gene. Otherwise, there's no chance, totally fine.

Now, what's, I can see an argument for that. I know, as an ask you guys, what are your thoughts on that? Are you, I feel like if you have that gene, you probably already know, because an ask you guys, what are your thoughts on that? Are you pro? I feel like if you have that gene, you probably already know because this day and age, you would have lost so many fit, because the way that people typically find out these days is, oh my God, four of my aunts and two of my uncles died of the same thing.

Then the family gets tested and they find that they have this gene. And then, you know, I guess you would tell the person you're dating, hey, we have this gene or whatever. I don't know. This is kind of interesting. The science isn't so great, though. How are they going to, besides the ones we know, what are they going to do? They're going to tell you that you match up great with this person genetically? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's, it's really just kind of screening out if there was like a potential for recessive gene, like match, like that where, you know, like, oh, we do have this potential disease Let's let's just like keep it within like this group over here. That's very very interesting

There is another process by which that happens and it is called attraction You know When you're when you're really physical Paramounts. Yeah, when you're physically and drawn and attracted to someone and you kiss them and you feel that feeling or whatever That's a terrible gauge. Well, that's... Most people fucked that one up. It's worse than... It's worse for most of human history.

Most people can't decipher that from horny. It's a really fine line there for people that are still dead. Hey man, it's a powerful one. It's work for most of human history. You know, that's how we pick our... And if you look at the actual rate of genetic disorders, it's very rare. It's worked pretty damn well.

The reason why you're not attracted to your siblings for the most part, you know? How much is it? You know? How much is the testing? I don't know, but you weren't talked to again. That's twice. Excuse me, sir.

Excuse me, sir. That's what you're talking about. I don't know what it would, maybe Doug can look at it. Look at the DIGI, D8 app, app how much I think it's just an app So I think it's more about traffic. I don't think it's about them charging to do it It's probably just like any of those other ones. Yeah, well who would you harm me? Whatever Probably a doctor. No, I think it's like an at home thing. I'm sure you have to fill it out

Yeah, you have to pay for that Maybe yeah, I would assume so I can can't imagine that, we'll do well. Like how much to those, what was the app that you said you were doing last, what's it called? Hinge? What does that cost? Nothing. Oh, that's free.

Well, you can pay more. You can pay more to get more features. Like super light. So you actually started dating like an average guy because you didn't pay for the upgrade. I think it says something about someone who pays for the upgrade, right? Oh, it does.

What does it say? I don't know. So you're more desperate. It's spending too much time on the app. You're too angry. It's out of reach. Yeah, I think so. I don't know.

Where you just want to go right to the top. Yeah, exactly. What if there's a whole other class of people that you didn't get access to? I don't know. Oh my God. Do you imagine that if you get ranked by people in a dating app and then that rank determines how accessible you are by other people? And if they don't match the number, they can access you. They got to pay for you.

They got to pay for you. You don't like a level. Exclusive. I'm a 9.5. So for a hinge, if you pay more, you can see everyone who likes you at the same time versus if you don't pay, you have to go one by one. What do you want? No, no, explain that again.

So you could get, so what she's saying is if you pay, then you see all the people that are interested in you all at the same time. If not, then you have to swipe through one at a time. Now why that would be, I could see a, uh, because we, luring this bench, this is what I, because you'd want to compare everybody. Yeah. It's like, you know, when you're making a deal, you want to see like, well, I want to hear what they have to say, too. You're pretty, pretty, you're pretty hot, but I don't know what else is coming up next. It's easier to say no if you see someone better above them,

right? But if you're going one by one, we're like, what if this is the best time I get? How many bad dates do you have to do before you get a good one? What's the, what's the average? It depends on your screening process. Oh, well, what's your screening process? I mean, I'm picky about who I'll go on a date with. So I don't have, I haven't had that many bad dates. So what, so you have like it, you got to fill out like a questionnaire

to go with you or something? I mean, you know me. Every person I've ever gone on a date with says, I feel like I was just in a podcast interview. Oh, super hot. It's definitely that's it. Get shit done. Get them all ripped up, right? Yeah. Do you guys, do you guys feel like these apps that just increase, just dramatically increase your accessibility to lots and lots of different people? Do you feel like at some point that's gonna cause issues where people are so indecisive

because they feel like the sure people are, don't you feel many options? Don't you feel that way already with streaming movies? That's true. When Netflix you don't watch anything. No, I have like decision-fitting. Don't you feel that way already with streaming movies? I mean, it's true. I'm Netflix, you don't watch any Netflix. I have like decision footage. Yeah, I remember as a kid having like 30 video cassettes

and every night watching a movie. So I watched all those movies probably and never having a hard time picking it. I loved walking in the movie store because you could just like walk through the aisles and then you finally make a decision. It's like, ah, you don't have that anymore. It's just like, you have to know what you're gonna watch.

You're gonna watch it. There's so much. It's funny too you don't have that anymore. It's just like, you have to know what you're gonna want. You're overwhelmed, there's so much. It's funny too, because in the past, people got married and they stayed married for a long time. And now that we've gotten into more of like dating and more excess to more people, that percentage has gone down. So I wonder if that plays a role, if you think, because you have so many people out there

that I'm less likely to work on what I need to work on. I think it's done more good than bad. I think there's a majority of people that it really helps. I think most people are probably not very self-aware and socially aware. So having an app that actually helps filter for you probably does a service. Especially people with baggage. It probably does a service for a lot of people that probably are just not there yet. They haven't done the reps. They haven't dated enough people to know like, oh, you probably

shouldn't be dating this kid or oh, every this is your mo for a reason because you're still dealing with your old shit where you put everything on a profile and you allow people to filter each other out like that. I would think that it helps more people than it hurts. Yeah, I could see that, but I could also see the flip where, you know, in the past, you got with someone and you didn't necessarily compare them to all these other people, maybe even through media, maybe didn't compare them to all these, you know, impossible ideals and you're just like, this is my partner and we're going to work together and this is what we do and here's our purpose and all that kind of stuff. So I can also see some of the drawbacks.

You see more of these, the more and more access people have to more and more partners, the more challenges you see with that because of that perception. Like, I can just have, you know, I mean way more than before. You know, speaking of relationships, how are you going to do over there, Justin, with us ending our relationship with skinny dips? Oh, yeah. You just hit me right there. Are you okay with that?

Are you okay with that or what? I don't know. I don't know. What am I going to have in between podcasts? You know, that was my go to. Yeah, I don't know. We're going to have to find something. This is going to get me.

I can just get lean and me. I love y'all shredded. So I got my compete next year. This is gonna give me a name. I can see a name and me. I love y'all shredded. So yeah, my compete next year. This is our last mention of skinny diptonans, right? Yeah, I believe so. Doug, did you look that up to see if it was our final? He says anything so. Yeah, great company though.

I love the ladies. I love what they're doing. The brand is continuing to grow and do well. And I know that we talked about potentially going on for 2020 with them, but I know that they're gonna use some of their advertising money elsewhere in other places. So the people that I'm sure will eventually ask,

what happened? There was, it was completely stockpile at all. No, it was completely amicable. And we look forward to seeing them continue to grow and do well. And I'm sure Justin will continue his skinny dipped addiction. I'll be your number one customer on the side. Exactly.

Dude, I got some, I pulled up some very interesting statistics the other day that I thought were incredibly fascinating in regards to poverty. Some economists did some really deep work. And this is actually well known. I went and looked it up, even further did some cross, you know, referencing whatever and I found that this is actually quite well known. I just wasn't familiar with this statistic, but there are three things that if you do these three things in life, your odds of living in poverty are reduced by a dramatic percent, something like over

75% reduction in your chances of living in poverty. If you just do the following three things, you guys want to guess what they are? Save half of what you make. Go ahead, keep going. Any, any others, Justin? Yeah, educated. I don't know. I would think it would be along those lines, too, like, you know, work this long or whatever,

but no, these are the following three things and they found that if people just follow these three things that they're probably gonna be in the middle class. Number one, this one's obvious, keep a full-time job, so don't work part-time, work full-time, obviously. Graduate high school, so not even college, just don't drop out of high school. And then the third one, this one's really important.

Wait to have children until you're married or and older than 21. So people who have kids out of wedlock, and especially people who have kids out of wedlock under the age of 21, the odds that they're going to live in poverty are astronomical. It's like very, very high odds. So people who followed all three of those rules, 75% of them joined the middle class, just for following those three things. Full-time job, graduate high school,

wait till you have kids, until you're married and older than 21. Old, good old fashioned, you know, advice. It makes sense. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and isn't, I mean, the average age now is much higher than what it was before as far as kids getting married and having

Kids right I think the iGen book got into that I think that stats up into the mid 20s starting to go up Start to go up. I think kids are starting to to Value it a little bit differently. So although rates of marriage going down the people who are getting married seem to be It looks like divorce rates are actually can to start to reverse is what they think. But pretty interesting, right? No, yeah, pretty interesting. Pretty interesting. Interesting information.

Did you guys know that at times are the world's healthiest people? Is this more like cherry pictures? That's your date like you're finding out here? No, Bloomberg just put this out and ranked the world's just generally speaking in terms of overall health. And Italians ranked the highest among all developed nations, so higher than anybody else. And the reason why this made kind of news is because, you know, Italians eat things like bread and pasta and, you know, they did drink wine.

They match their pasta out there. Yeah. Well, so I want to, I think this is an interesting thing to talk about because Italians do eat things like bread and pasta and they did drink wine. And the match were pasta out there. What's happening? Well, so I think this is an interesting thing to talk about because Italians do eat a lot of pasta and bread and they do drink a lot of wine. But they also do eat a lot of vegetables and fruits. And the authors of the article were looking to the diet of Italians to try and find out why they're so healthy.

But I think they make a big mistake there. I don't think it's necessarily the diet, although I think I plays a role. I think I have. Yes, lifestyle. That's it. Family, outdoors, water, sun, activities. It's a very family and leisure-sale culture of a stereotype. How are they defining healthy? By longevity, there's a lot of different factors.

So how long people lived, how sick they got, how much hospital time they had to, just overall health. And then there were also things like how happy people were. But I think it has to do more with their lifestyles. A very family centric kind of leisure centric culture. Ask anybody who's ever been to Italy for any length of period time, they'll tell you, very family centric kind of leisure centric culture. Ask anybody who's ever been to Italy for any length of period time, they'll tell you,

oh man, I love the way people are over there. They hang out, they have a long lunch. You know, they make time for each other. So Ciestas, huh? They value connection and friend and stuff like that. That's spain that does that, right? That's not in Italy. Oh, you don't do that there?

They do in southern Italy, they do something similar. Well, they go home and like, they eat dinner at like one o'clock with their family, take an app and they go back to work for another hour. See, that's interesting to me though, because like so half of their day, like they'll take out, but they actually don't open up clubs or anything until like 12 at midnight.

And then it's like they stay up all night until like three in the morning or whatever and they start the day or so it's like I don't know. It's just the young kids. Yeah, maybe Do one thing that I noticed that was and Italy was in the summertime first of all A lot of people take the whole month of August off like that's like a big thing in the culture It's just a thing that they do they take August off a lot of places shut down and close down when I went to go visit There was a gym in the town

that I was in and it was closed for August. And I was like, what the whole month? Yeah. I can't work out, they closed the gym. Really? Yeah, restaurants and bars and grocery stores. Really? Yes.

Especially the further south that you go. There's gotta be history to that. Why August? It's, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. Celebrating something. Yeah, there's something there, but I don't know.

But then when you go out at night in the summer, 10, 11 o'clock at night, it's not just the kids that are out at the bars. It's moms and dads, pushing strollers with the kids, it's grandparents, it's such a family, centric connection centric culture. That's what I think is due to their, the reason why they're considered the world's healthiest according to Bloomberg.

You know, you bring up Bloomberg, you make me, I haven't asked you, you know, while you haven't dropped some politics on us in a while, what's going on with, is Trump getting impeached right now or what? There is. What's the deal? Well, here's my opinion on that whole process. I think it's a strategy by the... So I looked at what's going on and what they're trying to impeach them on. I don't think they have what it takes to

impeach them at all, although they may say that they will. I think this is a strategy to beat him for the upcoming election, because the economy's crushing. The stock market, I think, went up 10,000 points since he's been in office, something saying like that. He didn't record all the time. Unemployment is at record lows, especially for minorities. The Democrats have weak candidates at best. They don't have anybody with the exciting on their side and they know it.

Biden was supposed to be their guy, but the guy puts his foot in his mouth. Oh my God, such like cringe-worthy, like lately, did you watch that video where he was talking to like all these kids about, I don't even remember what he exactly said, but it was about like rubbing his leg. Oh my God, it was so cringe-worthy. Somebody made a cartoon about it.

It was terrible. It was bad. It was like it really will make your skin fall. I feel like this is part of the strategy because the impeachment will, will stretch this whole process will stretch throughout the election. Oh wow. So this won't, we won't know the answer to. No. I mean, and they're going to probably go back and forth and they'll be able to bring up like, you know, like as the elections going on, like, oh, here's another thing that they brought up during the hearings. Here's another thing. So it'll, I think what they're trying to do is attack his character. It's very smart strategy, if you ask me, if I was on the

Democrat side, let's say, hell, marry. And yeah, if I was on that side, and I'm looking at the economy, I'm looking at his support, what she has public support is better than it, than it's been, than it's been for other presidents during this time and their term. I would be like, what do we, and I'd look at my candidates and be like, what do we got? I just invited. We have Elizabeth Warren. We have, you know, what's the band? They don't got good. They don't have. What's going on with Bloomberg?

Bloomberg supposedly is still going to run, but I don't think I'm going to do it. What are you saying about tax and poor people? I was like, really? That's what you're going to come with. Yeah, some video came out where he said, it's a good thing to tax poor people because it motivates them. Because it's both of them. So, did anybody like, he just coach you on this?

Yeah. So I forgot to tell him he's the 1%. Yeah. I don't think, I don't get received well. Yeah, I don't think the Democrats will let Bloomberg win the nomination to run as a Democrat. He's a billionaire. He's part of that side that they,

they don't like him and they don't like the other girl, right? Those are the two that probably have the biggest chance. Him or the, Tulsi Gabbard? Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, she's the two reason. She's the one that's to make it. Veteran, veteran, Hispanic, right?

Yeah, she's anti-war. She already got attacked by the Clinton's though. No way they'll let her get the nomination. I think it'll still be Biden. I think he's the guy to do it. But Biden's, he's weak. He's just not a strong candidate. They don't really have, I mean Obama was a strong candidate.

If there was an Obama, Trump would be in trouble because that guy could get on a stage and just, I mean, he was one of the best at... He's a great speaker. He was just phenomenal. He came across, it's just amazing. They don't have anybody like that in Trump. The the economy's cra- less than they really bad happens to economy. So I see this as being their strategy. They're like, what are we going to do? Let's

do this impeachment. This will help. I heard this credit. I don't know how true this is or not, but also to the tariffs in China. There was another angle to that in terms of fentanyl, like that being a major source of where the fentanyl is coming from in this whole opioid epidemic. Oh, I don't know this. Yeah, and so like a lot of the factories out there, like, you know, that's where they're getting it from. And it's making its way into like every drug. So it's not just like, like, you know, pills and powders

and like they're finding traces of fentanyl in heroin. What are you talking about right now? fentanyl being like one of the major problems right epidemic right now, especially through the Midwest. Like a lot of people are dying. Like there was 30,000 people reported dying for that. Because people are cutting it with it or this.

Yes. Okay. And they're importing it from China. They're importing it from China. There's these big factories. Why fentanyl is making it? Because it still gives them a higher something. It's an opiate.

It's an opiate. Yeah. And if there's a whole bunch of it floodingiate. It's an opiate. Yeah. And it's an innovative of it or whatever. And if there's a whole bunch of it flooding the market, that would make sense. Yeah. It's a big problem that people aren't talking about. Yeah, as far as the China thing is going on,

China's looking kind of interesting because you have Hong Kong right now that's protesting like crazy. I mean, millions of people, you guys know the whole deal of China, right? The whole deal that's going on over there. You guys have seen those protests. So So it's fun Hong Kong. Yeah, so Some of the same ones that have been going since the NBA the whole NBA talk that we talked about

No, so so in Hong Kong, you know as you guys know was controlled by the you know by you know great Britain or whatever United Kingdom Then they went to China, but the deal was that for 50 years, I think it was 1997 that Hong Kong went to China. The deal was that for 50 years China could not would leave Hong Kong alone. It was independent, basically. Well, they're under China, but they're left alone. We're going to leave you guys alone. We're not going to do anything. And then China passed a law that said that they can extradite people from Hong Kong to the mainland of China for whatever reason. And this is bad, obviously, because there's lots of anti-communist people in Hong Kong who the mainland of China for whatever reason. And this is bad, obviously, because there's lots of

anti-communist people in Hong Kong who write articles and blogs. And so if that law passed, that means China could go to Hong Kong. Grab them. Grab them, bring them back to China. So that started this huge wave of protest, and maybe also because the 50 years

is gonna be coming up here in the next 20 years or whatever that they're kind of like, oh, what's gonna happen? So they do the only protest. China said, backed off and said, okay, we're not gonna implement that law, but they're still protesting. And I've read that the protests are spreading to mainland China because there are regions in China

that have a lot of people that go back and forth between Hong Kong and China. So that's bad. Then they got to be volatile. We saw videos of like, you know, just people like doing things against like whatever, what was that called like where they had that structure where it's like a point system that they've created? Yeah, social, social, social, social, social, social, social, social. Is that happening? Yeah, they're already like punishing people. It is happening. Yeah, I thought that was like they were testing that that's like full on I don't know if it's fully implemented, but they're doing it. Wow. It's moving forward now Do you talk to you and Arthur Brooks disease and you articles? Are you still talking to him about stuff like this?

Every once in a while we'll send articles to each other Yeah, I'd love to know the thing about here's the thing about communism in these days is that it's so hard unless you completely shut off your country like North Korea, it's, it's, information comes in and out. So, Chinese citizens see the free world, they taste it a little bit, they have friends and family maybe, who live in Hong Kong and they hear about,

because Hong Kong is at the freest economy of the world. They have a Western style judicial system, they have protected rights and all that stuff. So here they are in communist China. They start, they hear about this stuff. People start to want it. And once that spreads, boy, that's like a fire you can't put out. And then on top of it, you throw this tariff war between China and the US,

which it's costing us money, but it's hurting them a little more. So there's a bit of a precarious situation. One cool thing that's come out, China, I just saw recently that there was a finding of a dinosaur tail that had feathers still intact. Isn't that the theory? Like, didn't you, wasn't it you who brought that up? I've never heard that before that this whole idea that dinosaurs were bald is a bunch of bullshit. They probably all had feathers. Yeah, that was like sort of, they were kind of moving that direction, but they didn't have any definitive evidence for that.

So they're speculating, but I guess they found, and this is kind of also like, I'm still on the fence with it because they actually found it in a marketplace. They found this piece of amber that encased a tail of this dinosaur. Let me see, it's the Theropod dinosaur. So apparently it was from the Cretaceous period, about 99 million years ago, which however they figured that out, but they just found it in the market and they had it studied

and all these people are studying it right now, but it's showing that they did have feathers and it's pretty like a conclusive evidence. So I'll put a picture of that, I wanna see it. Because aren't chickens like the closest relative to that? That's what I've heard too. Yeah, that's why they were speculating. They may have their feathers.

Now, didn't somebody make a dinosaur embryo from chicken DNA? Or is that you would dress up? Yeah, I saw that movie. No, no, no, no, no. I thought they actually, somebody's actually did that. Really? I knew they were trying to make mammoths. No, that's what they look, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Doug, can you see, can you look up if we actually made,

we made a dinosaur embryo from chicken DNA? I thought someone did that order of thinking about doing that. There wasn't a Jimmy Neutron movie. Was it? What? Jimmy Neutron. I don't watch that. What is that one?

I just texted you, Doug. I have a hamburger specimen. See you right there, scientists recreate it. Click on, oh, that's Snopes. It's probably fake. Never mind. Yes, Snopes. D-Bunks, all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, you guys might be right. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. Well, I texted that. Scientists are having a lot of fun with it. I mean, how do we determine it's a dinosaur, not like an old chicken? Yeah. That's a good question.

What do you mean? A big chicken. Yeah, and that's why it's the size. It's top of the age of the, if you're talking talking about like the bones are you talking about like fossil you said it's like a tale with some feathers Like I mean it's because of the fossil of the amber so they somehow they can carbon date or whatever they do all what it's trapped in Yeah, have you ever looked into the accuracy of that? Here we go I know I know have you ever looked into how accurate that is?

Well, it relates to nutrition, right? Everyone thinks they know what we do. We don't. Yeah. I know. I'm sure there's some shenanigans involved. Well, when it comes to nutrition, it's a little bit different because carbon dating isn't accurate.

Like, you can't guess within 10 years, but you can guess within hundreds or thousands of years. Yeah. So, you know, we know that it's, you know, hundreds of thousands of years old, and we know that it's gonna be around that. We might not know the exact date, or whatever.

As far as nutrition is concerned, the best evidence we have are either seeds that they'll leave fossilized poop. You know, they'll find like fossilized poop, and they'll analyze it, and they'll say, oh, we found fibers or drawings. Or drawings of the food that they have, but you're right.

I think humans are opportunistic. So when it comes to nutrition, we probably just eat whatever it was in front of us or whatever we could find. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, history is kind of riddled with that. Like you're just trying to piece it all back together. You don't know what really happened. What was it? It was a narrative that we all agree on. Yeah, we all were dieting before the 50s.

But dieting? Yeah. Oh, we did diet. Wouldn't it dieting start Like I didn't study they couldn't start me before you used to be able to order male order pills For weight loss and I believe it was in the I remember those old ad It's 20s or 30s deep far back forms really yes, so you used to be able to buy this was in the early 1900s you could buy tapeworms. So before the No, nobody was doing I don't know 18 18 anything or below before no bloodletting right nobody was doing that

The only people who was probably dieting were the wealthy because they were you know Maybe get too fat. So they tell and even then I thought back then it was like sign a was a sign of well So you would be proud to be a little a little chunky. I know a little rotund. You go 200 years back. You imagine telling somebody, yeah, I'm not gonna eat that so I want to try and lose some weight. Yeah, what the fuck? My six pack.

And then I'm gonna go to this place and lift heavy things for no reason. You're crazy. Anyway, speaking of time, we got our five year anniversary coming up. Yeah, no, I'm pretty excited. I've been talking to Shawna over at Organifi for the last few months about planning our five year in San Diego at their headquarters.

Oh, that's crazy. So the last time when I flew down there and got a chance to check out the new place, it's awesome. It's got a really cool layout. It's massive. We could probably comfortably fit easily two to three hundred people in there.

We've talked about it on this show for a long time about doing some sort of a mind-pump party or get together. I think that this makes the most sense. It's our five-year anniversary and one of our best partners. Yeah, what we don't know yet, so we literally, she just emailed me over the spreadsheet that we're going to, you know, adding what we want there as far as, you know, food and drink and, you know, entertainment or what that's gonna look like. Cause I think it's gonna be less like our live events, like we've done where we go and we talk for a long old time

and it's more mingling. I think it's gonna be more of a party. I'm sure we'll get up there and say a band or DJs. Yeah, so that's what we're kind of exploring. So that's what I don't know exactly what it's gonna be more of a party. I'm sure we'll get up there and say a band or DJs. Yeah, so that's what we're kind of exploring. So I don't know exactly what it's gonna look like. I know it's gonna be in August of next year. So we have plenty of time to plan it. It will be held at Organifi at their headquarters.

It'll be like a kombucha kager. And it will be open to the public, but it'll once we get X amount of people that sign up for, it'll be closed off. So I got to, I got to find out from Shawna what's the total amount of people that we can fit in there. But I'm excited. I think it's going to be a really good time. How long have we been partnering with, we've worked with Organifi? Has it been three years now?

Yeah, they were one of the very first sponsors. So, so, Kymara was the official first one, right? So, we did Kymara for a few months before. I think we found Organifi and then And then organify has been probably the organify for sigmatic. And who else was early on? But those are the longest running running ones. Yeah, and organifies exploded since we started working with them. Not saying it was us, but I'm saying all of it anyway. I mean, I've been down there now a couple of times and met with their team and they have a really tight

business model. And it tell you what, they've won, I think I talked about this before, right? They've won the best place to work, ink 500 thing a couple of times in a row. And you can feel it when you walk into the place, like the vibe is just, you can tell everybody just loves working there. It's a very cool atmosphere and everybody from the tech nerdy side of it

all the way to the customer service. Everyone is the two things for me that made such a big impact for me from this company was the one we, when we first started working with us and they sent us a protein and I can protein, and I can't have dairy protein. So for me, it's always gonna be typically a vegan-based type protein powder. The taste was amazing, so that was like, whoa, you guys did a good job,

but the other thing that really struck me was during that whole time, when I forgot who it was, I think it was consumer reports, was testing vegan protein powders and finding high amounts of heavy metals. And you guys know how, like I got, like hold on a second, and I contacted Organify and the response and the quickness with, you know, here's what our products have, here's what the testing shows, really showed that they are dedicated to providing, you know,

good product because I was ready, man, I was ready, like if you don't give me the, what I want, we're going to have to bounce. No, be interesting to see how they line up business and revenue wise to some of the other big ones because I think they're now at a place where they for sure are rambling them or if they have not taken like the Vegas and who are the other and the what's the other one that's in Whole Foods. Sun Warrior? No, I didn't know that was one.

Yeah, that's another big one. Yeah, that's another big one. I didn't even know that which one's Sun Warrior. big vegan one. Yeah, that's another big one. I didn't even know that, which one's Sun Warrior? I'm not familiar with that one. I've seen it. I think it's a Sun Warrior. Garden of the Cardinals. Yeah, Garden of Life is one of the...

Yeah, it's a big one. That's in all the whole foods. Those are some of the bigger ones, and I think organifies up there with them as far as the size of the business now. But they're not in retail, are they? No. No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't well, whoo, gosh, they're the biggest airline I mean retail, it's crazy. Shhh. Quick call. There you go, I have my own business. Max, call. Today's call is brought to you by Max and the Bollock. If you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength,

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First question. Anderveth. Why do you think it's easier for some people to build muscle than others? Does it always come down to genetics? Oh, great question, Christina. So, you know, it's funny. Before we talk about genetics,

we need to talk about the obvious stuff that I think sometimes people push to the side and they like to say it's all about genetics, but let's talk about the other factors first. Is the person working out and training in the most appropriate and effective way possible for their body? That's two things there. First, is it an effective workout and two?

Is it the most effective workout for their body? Is that person eating a diet that is the most effective for building muscle and appropriate for the body? That's also very, very important. Is the person of a lifestyle that is conducive to building muscle, especially for their body? You gotta look at all those things first before you go on to genetics,

as I, you know, I would have, you know, I knew this growing up working out. There'd be people around me who'd be building muscle and that faster than me and I think to myself, oh, it must be genetics or it must be steroids. One or the other. Now that I'm older looking back, I can see like, oh, that person ate much better than I did

or I didn't prioritize sleep and they did or I over-trained like crazy and they just focused on the big compound list. It kind of reminds me of like the argument that we're making about the fighting the size and the skill thing, right? Like a fighter, if you have incredible skills, if you really know the tools that it takes to build muscle, you can compete even with somebody who has great genetics. I really feel that way. I think the genetics thing is just a quick excuse that we make because somebody else is responding and we're doing the same thing.

So there's those outliers, which everybody has that friend or girlfriend that they know that gets away with eating crappy food, barely touches any weight and their body looks great. That's such a small percentage of the people. Great point because when you look at genetics as a whole with humans, most the vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle. Very few of us

are on the edges, on the edges. So it's like a bell curve, right? On the edges, very, very few people, as you get close to the middle, there's a larger, larger, larger amount of people that fit somewhere in the middle. So the, here's the reality. Truth is, if you look around, most people around you have genetics that are kind of like yours. Most people are somewhere in the middle. It's rare to have these crazy superior muscle building genetics. And trust me, when you meet someone that has these type of genetics, you know, it's not a question.

It's not like, hey, he gained five more pounds of me. It's more like, wow, he's 270 pounds of muscle, you know, on the guy works out. Not to mention what's the history there, like how 270 pounds of muscle, you know, on the guy works out to mention What's the the history there like how long have they been in the game? Like I know a lot of times like people have started, you know when they're like 12 or 13 and like they've built You know that their body responds because they've built all this in like over decades and you know like for them to see them They see them just responding, you know way later in the game and they don't realize like, yeah, this has been a whole history in the making.

It's not just like right now. The truth is, you know, building muscle is hard. It takes consistency. It takes proper nutrition. It takes proper exercise and the fact is, a majority of people don't have all three of those lined up. Most people half-ass their diet, they're not getting all the nutrients they need and they're asking their body respond.

Most people don't do a very good job with their programming. They gravitate towards a type of modality. They enjoy and as we talk on the show all the time, that's important for consistency. But when trying to build muscle, if you're still doing the Jane Fonda tape at home, you know, and you're wondering why your body's not building more muscle, you're pretty adapted that where you're going to your favorite, you know, orange theory, F45 class, and you've seen good results in the first three, six months, but you're not building any more muscle. Well, you're, you're adapted to that way of training.

So I think it's more of not all of those things aligning and most people are missing somewhere there than it is genetic. I think that's the most common. I don't really think people know how to navigate into other modalities properly. I just don't think that they know other options well enough, like they do, they need to up their calories. That's the's like the first thing, like most people are pretty, you know, familiar with that part of it. But, you know, people don't adjust their training to match, you know, how their body needs to respond. So I think that's something that, you know,

we need to better educate the general public about that. It's a really easy, you know, it's a really easy path, right? To say, oh, it's genetics. We've heard that with fat loss too. You know, oh, I can genetics. We've heard that with fat loss too. You know, oh, I can't lose weight or I'm overweight. And it's because of my genetics. You know, I know my friends don't worry about, you know, and here's a funny thing, training clients, you start to have people track and pay attention to certain things and you start to realize,

sure genetics plays a role. But I didn't the role that you used to think. Like, I remember there was a show on, I want to say it I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro.

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I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a pro. I was a the show starts, you see this interview of the person. And the person's like, I've been overweight my whole life. I grew up this way. My body stores body fat really easily.

It's really crazy. And you kind of hear them making the case for, hey, look, I was born this way and I can't help it. Meanwhile, the camera starts following me around. And then you start to see how they actually eat. And you get to see that for breakfast, it's five breakfast sandwiches in a soda.

Then they have a bag of full size bag of chips as a snack and then lunch time they go through the drive-through again and then dinner it's like a full size pizza or they go to the grocery store and they're like, you know, this is healthy, right? It's chicken, meanwhile it's fried chicken and it's a whole bucket or whatever. And you watch and you go, oh, this person just has no idea. They actually have no idea what a proper portion looks like and they're blaming it on genetics. Just like when I was a kid trying to build muscle, I didn't know what the, I thought I was eating enough or more than enough to build muscle.

But when I go back and really, if I really look at the calories and the grams approaching all this stuff, it was enough. I remember learning this when my parents went to Italy one year for, I think it was like a month and a half for two months. I was staying at my grandma's house and obviously I have an Italian grandma so she'll make me whatever I want. And so she's like, what do you want to eat?

And I said, I love steak, make me a lot of steak. So when I lived at my grandma's house, she made me steak two or three times a day. So two or three times a day, I'd have steak and I'd have pasta or whatever. Now you remember over that course of that month and a half, I was gaining muscle like I'd never gained before and then I piece it together and I was like, oh, it's because my grandma's feeding me steak all the time. So genetics definitely play a role, but it's not the role that you think

for the most part. Now, that being said, when you get to the sides, when you get to the outliers, we have, and genetics get pretty crazy. Now, I've worked in fitness for 20 years, so there's already a bit of a selection bias. So the type of people that are attracted to fitness, the type of people that work into fitness, you're probably already dealing with a level of genetics that's a little bit better than average, right? Most of these people are drawn to it

because they're good at it. So I'm already a bit of a selection bias, but I can count on one hand how many people I met in 20 years working in fitness, looking back that I could say had insane genetics. Yeah, I agree. You know what I'm saying? This also goes back to the argument

that we had the other day about, or debate that we were talking about, which is harder to build muscle or burn body fat. I think to build muscle, this also brings up another point of how there's less room for air. If you are trying to burn body fat, just moving, doesn't matter what modality, how consistent you've been doing, just moving a lot and eating less and you'll lose body weight. And you can keep, and you can get away with continuing to push that right more extreme more extreme more extreme more extreme

You don't need as much programming specific right and you'll still see results I mean you could just run in place, you know and eat less every single day and increase that intensity week We go week week over week and then you'll see the decrease in body fat and body weight But with building muscle it's muscle, you can't just, if you overdo it like crazy and you're not feeding correctly, you're gonna see no results. So you could be putting in a ton of work inside the gym, not feeling the body nutritionally to support

all that extra work and your body won't build shit. In fact, a lot of times you may even lose weight in pursuit of building muscle. So I think there's a sweeter spot when trying to build, which makes it feel like it's more challenging. And then again, defaulting to, oh, I'm just fucked, I have bad genetics and my friend has got great genetics.

It's less often than that. And it's more addressing some of these, you know, they're not really isolating that, that's very specific goal of building muscle. They're not willing to then like, you know, like take down a lot of the extra curricular, like cardiovascular type activity that they have incorporated in their plan

because it makes them feel good. Well, I remember, and there's been several times in my lifting career where I had these moments where I thought I was doing everything right, and then I made this one little change and all of a sudden I add 10 pounds of muscle after like beating my head against the wall for two years straight, right? Two years straight, thinking I know everything about lifting and I'm doing anything right

nutritionally. And then one day at dawn's on me and I don't remember what I read something or somebody told me, got more sleep or something. Well, I was back off the basketball. I was playing basketball every single day in addition to lifting every single day and I just couldn't keep up with the calories. And I thought because I was stuffing my face, I was eating enough. You know, and so just me like cutting out basketball and also my body goes, boom,

10 pounds, like came on me overnight. It was like, oh shit, like that, that was a big difference for someone like me who, again, was probably blaming it on genetics for the first half of my lifting. All right. Hans Schmidt. Why does strength training require more rest than hypertrophy? Or is it that it's much more demanding? Okay.

So what they're referring to is when you're training for maximal strength versus when you're training to build muscle, that's what hypertrophy refers to is actual increase in muscle size. Now, I do want to be clear, they both contribute to each other. So that's number one, building maximal strength will cause muscle to grow and on the flip side, getting your muscles to grow will contribute to more strength. So there's a little bit of gray area here. But when you are training for maximal strength, you typically are resting for longer periods

of time in between sets. If you watch PowerLifters work out, you'll notice that those guys and girls will walk around, chill, talk, or whatever for sometimes three, five minutes in between sets before going up and lifting again. Whereas bodybuilders have a tendency to rest shorter. Sometimes they're shorter, 30 seconds. Sometimes you'll see a bodybuilder trying to maximize the pump and they're going 30 second rest and they're going set after set. Now why is that? Okay. The adaptations your body gets through exercise are very specific to the way that you train.

They're very, very specific. There are some general carryovers to other things, but your body will adapt in very specific way. So if I'm training for maximal strength, that means each of my sets has to display my maximal strength, that means each of my sets has to display my maximal strength. If I'm resting 30 seconds in between sets of squats, by the second or third set, I am not maximizing my strength. I'm not lifting the most that I possibly can.

I'm not practicing strength. It's impossible. I'm too fatigued. When you're training for strength, you want to train at your strongest, which means you have to rest, by doing so, you're practicing the skill and training the adaptation of strength. Well, you're also replenishing your energy, too. And I forget what the literature says, but it's somewhere between two and three minutes,

when you rest two or three minutes, the most of that is recovered completely. So as we go through our workout, that starts to deplete. Your first few exercises you do, you're much stronger as you get further into the workout that diminishes as time goes on. But there's a sweet spot of resting to get the maximum amount of energy replenished

to do the next set. And that number falls somewhere. There's an individual variance and it's obviously much more nuanced than what I'm saying right now. But about two to three minutes for to get the maximum energy replenished to go after that set again. Whereas if you're cutting your rest periods at a minute or less, you're not you're not allowing your body to fully recover to give it its most. What you don't care about when you're chasing hypertrophy, when you're trying to get the pump and that's more of your desired outcome, you're not really concerned that, oh, I, if I would have rested one more minute,

I could have got an extra five pounds out of that set. You're not worried about it because you're not in that phase of training. And so it's, and you build muscle, hypertrophy comes from training for strength, but it also comes from things like the pump from those metabolic stresses that you get from, that's why when you do like, was it BFR training, occlusion training?

Occlusion training is a type of training where you tie off, let's say your arm with a knee, with a knee wrap, and then you do curls, and your muscle can't pump out the waist because it's been tied off and so it builds up and you're only using five or 10 pounds. That's shown to build muscle, but that's probably from the metabolic waist stress that's caused. So building muscle comes from a lot of different ways, not just getting stronger, but getting

stronger has to be trained specifically if you want to maximize strength. Now there's nothing to, you know, the way we lay out of our programs, there's obviously a systematic approach and we think that these are some of the most ideal ways to mess with tempo and timing and sets and reps, but there's nothing that says you can't mess with this. Like, there's times where I'll go in and I'll be following a strength type protocol as far as the rep count and the weight that I'm lifting, but then I'll just cut my short, my rest period shorter. I'll do heavy singles with short rest periods in between. I'll go over, rip it off the ground,

rest for maybe one minute or less, go right back, rip it off the ground again and do things like that. And the same is true for messing with your hypertrophy training every once in a while. You know, instead of only giving yourself a one minute rest on hypertrophy training, you know, try resting for three minutes and then do a set. You'll be able to lift more weight when you do it. So there's nothing wrong with manipulating the rest periods.

It's just that when most people write programs or when you read most the literature around this, you'll see like, oh, hypertrophy training is considered, you know, eight to 12 reps with 90 second rest periods and it doesn't mean that you can't play with that. In fact, if you only stay there, you're gonna diminish your muscle building hypertrophy or if you only stay in strength training and you never move out of it, I think you're gonna minimize

your strength. We have friends like Ben Pollock, who trained bodybuilding for a while. Now he's finding that he's stronger going back to powerlifting because you trained for a little while in bodybuilding. Stan Eferding talked about this. And the reverse, people who only train

trying to maximize the pump and build muscle who never train for maximal strength, they'll gain benefit from it. That's why I said that there's a gray area because they definitely Contribute to each other and it's not because it's more demanding power lifters aren't resting longer because it's harder Bodybuilding trainings harder training like a bodybuilding will is will gas you out more than you're fighting through a bunch of other factors Yeah, through that whole process. So it's like a couple different things that you know You're trying to to work through the fatigue that's inevitably like on setting.

And with strength training, you're trying to be the purest form of like, I can have access to this ultimate strength that I can output like at any given moment right now. And so that's the entire focus of it. It's like, what can I summon right now? And how can I repeat that process? To repeat that process, I need adequate rest

to then regenerate that type of force. Think about this way. If you want to get faster, you need to train fast. If you want to get stronger, you need to train strong. If you want to build muscle, there's a little bit of gray area. Same thing with the others. If you want to get fast, it means that sometimes your train will be a little slow.

But most of the time, you should probably train quickly. Same thing with power training. If you look at like plyometrics, that sometimes your training will be a little slow. But most of the time, you should probably train quickly. Same thing with power training. If you look at like plyometrics, if you wanna improve your explosive power, then your sets and your training need to display that. And working to fatigue means you're not gonna be able to display that.

So that's why there's a difference between the two. But for most people listening right now, you'll benefit from doing both. And I recommend you do one for a little while and then move to another one and do that one for a little while. That will give you better overall results long-term. And most people listening are interested in both. They want to get strong.

They also just want to build muscle and sculpt their body. Next question is from Thunderbolts. Is there ever a need to go above 12 reps or are you wasting your time after that? Oh my God, yes. Oh, totally. You know what, this is again, you know, talking about pivotal moments in my, you know,

strength training or muscle building career. I remember the first time I started doing 15 to 20 reps. And I actually had some of them like death. Oh, well, I had some of the best gains because up and at that point, I believe that anything over six reps was a waste of time. If I was a skinny guy trying to build muscle, why would I ever want to do, you know, endurance type training or high repetitions? That was for girls that wanted to tone their muscles. That

wasn't for young skinny guys like me who wanted to build muscle. And so I was always lifting heavy six to eight reps at most. And man, when I started training in the 15 to 20 rep range, I blew up and I remember going like, what the fuck? This is the secret was to lift high reps. And the truth is it wasn't that it was 15 to 20 reps that I never trained there. So if you're asking this question

and you never go beyond 12 reps because you think it's wasting your time, it's the opposite is going to be true. If you go lift 15 to 20 reps, I bet you you see some of the greatest gains you've seen in your programming just by simply doing that. Oh, for, I swore, my legs grew, my legs tend to grow pretty easily anyway, but they never grew as much as they did when I did 20 reps sets of squat. By the way, that's brutal.

It's absolutely grueling to do anything over 10 reps, excuse me, of barbell squats. And I did sets of 20 with lightweight and my legs literally exploded. No, studies show this by the way. 20 reps, 25 reps, if the intensity is high and the form is good, that will send, all rep ranges, I would say under 25 or 30,

even 30 will build some muscle, especially in beginners or as a occasional novel, you know, rep range. But for most of you listening right now, your rep range can be up to 25, I would say. I would, yeah, and I definitely, I mean, I agree with you guys in terms of changing it up and having that response.

However, there are some exercises I probably wouldn't do 20 reps with, like a deadlift, for instance, or like any kind of a power focused exercise. I can just eliminate a certain amount of, yeah, exercises from that protocol. I definitely think it's worth exploring, you know, that high rep range, but be appropriate in terms of like the programming of the exercises. So I've gone back and forth on how I feel about that, because the value that I find from dead lifting and squatting really high rep like that, is just that in order to dead lift 15 to 20 reps

or squat 15 to 20, I have to go really light. And then it forces me, it's a lot of practice. So it's a lot of practice with a weight that I can control really well. And I find that part of it, as far as the muscle building aspect of it, I agree with you. Like, you're going to get your biggest bang for your buck when you're doing a big compound lift on that, when you're doing, you know, singles to five reps out of those types of exercises. That's where you're going to see the most muscle, the most adaptation, CNS-wise, you're

going to get from that. But, you know, there's an argument to be made on just a fact of doing 15 to 20 reps, forces you to practice that movement. And if there's a movement that more people I think need to practice, I could make the case that squatting and deadlifting are two of those. Squatting more so deadlifting. Yeah, that's right. You gotta be careful. And you can do it.

You can definitely do it. I've done it. Here's the problem. Once you start to go up to higher reps, the fatigue is what stops the set. That's why you go worried. That's why you're super light. Yeah, and yeah, super light. It almost seems like the risk starts to get higher.

Here's where it doesn't make sense at all. It almost seems nil at that point where you're lifting that light. And I can see what you're both saying, and I can see that there could be some value. You just gotta go really light and be perfect, but definitely not with power. You know, hang cleans and snatches. Terrible. Terrible.

Terrible. The risk goes through the roof once your form breaks down just a tiny bit, and you're gonna do that for 15 reps. You better be using a broomstick because once your form breaks down just a little bit, that exercise now became dangerous, very dangerous. Okay, next question is from Gretch.

What are some strategies to avoid burnout as a trainer and tips for making time to train yourself? You guys remember the first time you burned out as a trainer? When I first became a trainer, like 12 appointments in a row. Yeah, I was so early for me, man. I fell in love with the job and I quickly fell more in love with coaching trainers over actually training clients. Training clients is fucking draining.

Dude, it's hard. Dredgery, if you make it. When I first became a trainer, I was so excited to be a trainer, to be working in a gym that I just took all clients. Any clients, any time as many as possible, which I think there's a lot of value in that. There is at first. I remember it was like I remember my schedule was something like I'd get into 8 a.m. and I'd work till one then it had like a break for like an hour or two then I'd get back

to work and I'd work till like 9 p.m. Then I'd go home then it come back at 3 a.m. because I had like these clients that nobody wanted to train. You know, I worked at a 24 hour fitness gym, so someone wants to buy a training, but they only couldn't work out at 3am. I'll do it, you know, so I come back and I go back home and go say, and I did that and I was young and I was 18, and I had lots of energy,

but I remember it's starting to like burn me out where your eyes burn and your body tingles because you're tired and you're just like, my workouts are starting to suck. Yeah. So I think number one, for most trainers, the most amount of clients you probably on a long-term basis, I'm not talking about for short bursts,

but a long-term basis on a day-to-day basis, you probably wanna be around six to seven clients, most long-term. Now that doesn't mean you can't train more than, like eight, nine, or 10 here and there, but I haven't known very many trainers that can train, you know, 40 sessions consistently weekend and a week out long term without experiencing some type of burnout. I think a better tip is that, because I do think that they're, I think everybody,

when you first start, you should take everything you can. I think that's a sign of a good trainer, and I think you learn a lot, training at all hours and all types of people. But once you get to a place where you're making a comfortable enough income that you're not, you know, living paycheck to paycheck or stressed out how you're gonna eat the next week, then I think it's really smart to start only taking the type of client that you like to train.

And being okay with okay I'm I'm gonna turn down this client and I could make more money I have the availability to do it, but quite frankly, I know I don't enjoy doing that and for me that was like I told I wasn't a big fan of advanced age and kids It wasn't it wasn't my expertise. I thought the training sessions were boring for me And it wasn't that I couldn't or I wouldn't. It was that I wasn't as excited to train those types of clients.

So I stopped taking them. I would look for my ideal client or the clients that I really enjoyed helping and that makes a big difference on how that day feels like when you're training the type of client that you want versus taking clients just because you need the money and you're filling your schedule up, I can do eight, nine hours in a day of training clients. If they're all clients, I really enjoy. I could have only five or seven.

If half of them I don't like, it will feel like it'll feel like twice as long of a day. So I think that matters more than anything else. Yeah, it makes a big difference. And the other thing is this is as a trainer, you end up having to learn this because if you don't, it'll kill you. Don't take it personally when your clients don't do what you say. When you first become a trainer, you take it all personal.

Like I told her, okay, oh, she's gonna do exactly what I said and then she comes back and train her for months. Why aren't you doing the meal plan? Why aren't you following what I said? Why aren't you following what I said? Why aren't you exercising on your own? And then you start to take a personal, and if you do that, you start to hate what you do. What you end up having to realize at some point is this is a hard,

long journey, take nothing personal, and just be happy that they're there making the commitment to at least show up and work out with you and do the workout. Because otherwise you start to take things, those things personal, you start to have these battles with your clients, you'll either lose clients, or you'll get to the point where you start to hate people because they're just not doing it. And you start to feel like you have,

you provide no value. I learned this the hard way by blowing people out the door for not following all my advice and then realizing that I've done them no good at all. Now, did you guys ever have a hard time with making time for yourself? And did you have things that you did to like working out sometimes? Yeah, that's part of the question, right? So it's not just carve that out.

Burn out for being a trainer also. I scheduled it. It was in my schedule book. So I would, oh, if I had a gap that was an hour and a half or two hours, which I always made sure to have, I would write down workout. So I for sure made a time. I think they're also is, I mean, there's there's problems I see with with your average trainer that's kind of, and I know like you're just starting out, I totally agree with you guys. I think you should take on as many as possible. You're going to learn so much that

way more than you would anywhere else. And then also you'll find like which ones, you know, you gel with the best and what direction to go with that. And then there's also charging more. And I feel like there's a problem where trainers really undervalue a lot of what, you know, they provide their clients. And I think that they feel guilt. I think they feel a lot of guilt

because a lot of the times what draws them into the fitness industry is they're passion and they're drive to help everybody. You know, we want to just help everybody. And I was, I had a little bit of that when I first started and they're drive to help everybody. We wanna just help everybody. And I had a little bit of that when I first started. I just wanna help people. I would take people at reduced discount prices and these things just to try and keep making it work

because I really cared about them like getting to a place they wanted to go. So there was a part where I had to make a decision like am I gonna treat this like a business? Am I going to, I actually have to make a living with this. I'm getting burned out because I'm just trying to cater to everybody else's demands. I need to start really focusing on what, you know,

like fills me up and then I can pour that into my clients more effectively. Once I started doing that, I actually got better clients as a result. And then also I was providing better service and I was getting paid more. So it was just like this, this, like sort of a hot thing that I went through. That's the irony. I was going to say you just pointed out with that is you end up getting the clients that you have that are less of a headache, right? It's always

the clients that, the client that wants to read for 99, yeah, that wants to deal or is a friend of a friend and they're getting hooked up or some bullshit. Those are always the ones that are less likely to wear on you. Yeah, follow what you're saying. And they're the ones that are the biggest addict. Should we see that even in this business? We ever get a complaint or an email. It's always somebody who didn't buy anything. So I was like, I was working with Andy the other day and she's like reading me this like, if we ever get any complaints, I want to see all of them just so we can continue to improve the business. And you know, she reads me this person that's like complaining about

something and we obviously have access to be able to look at all, you know, what they've read, what blogs and this person has gone through like, you know, six blogs, three YouTube videos, downloaded two of our free guides, purchased nothing with complaining. Of course, it's that person, you know what I'm saying, The people that get things for free, it's funny how that is. And the gym business is the people with the free passes. They're gonna complain the most every single time. The last thing I'll add for my end is have fun.

Have fun with your training sessions, have fun with your clients. Not only is it good for you, but it's also good for them. You'll find that when your clients enjoy coming to see you because you guys have a good time, you laugh, you joke around, you have fun with your workouts. It also makes it enjoyable for you. When you're always serious with your sessions, like, this is fitness, we're working out, we're doing our sets, that's all we're doing. Oh my God, do that day

in and day out. Watch how tough it is to continue doing your job. Dude, that is such a good point. And you just reminded me of a tip that this person could use it. So, and I did it for this exact reason. It's totally selfish. There wasn't a ton of value for them and they're training program for this. But it was for entertainment for myself and it doesn't hurt, right?

I would compete my clients. Like, so I'd go through like a phase where it's planks. And so the end of every workout, we would do a plank hold for as long as they could. And I would time it. And then I would let them know where they ranked up against the rest of my clients. And so it made something fun that we could do.

And it could be a squat hole. It could be vertical jump. It could be a spread on the treadmill for a mile. You could do a lot of different things that are fitness related That's challenging for them and I used to end workouts that way and they would love to see their improvement on that themselves And then also compare themselves to other clients and then they gave me something kind of to have fun with and that was a I totally forgot all about that. So you mentioned that. I think it's a great point now

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