Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1194: Using Unilateral Training to Kickstart Gains, When to Add Box Squats to Your Training, What Muscle Soreness Really Means & MORE

Episode Date: December 28, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about when it is beneficial to train purely unilateral, judging progress based on soreness, the benefits of box squats vs.... conventional squats and causes of the obesity epidemic. Mind Pump’s favorite candy bars. [3:52] Mind Pump recaps the Bill Burr show. (7:21) Does having a dark sense of humor correlate to high intelligence? (9:30) Mind Pump reminisces on their Vegas experiences: The good, the bad and the ugly. (11:48) Tesla’s stock is exploding! (21:18) Proceed with caution: Mind Pump on the documentary Don't F**k With Cats on Netflix. (23:32) Are serial killer numbers on the decline? (26:45) How Organifi’s vegan protein products stand above the rest. (29:30) Why are millennials leaving the church and not coming back? (30:58) How the media portrays being a parent in our current society. (38:17) Mind Pump’s go-to Christmas movies. (41:33) #Quah question #1 – Would it be beneficial to train purely unilateral for a phase or two to combat imbalances and increase overall strength? (45:40) #Quah question #2 – How reliable is it to judge progress based on soreness? Is it possible to be sore and not be making progress in terms of building muscle? (52:14) #Quah question #3 – I see the Westside Barbell guys doing heavy box squats. Is there a benefit to this compared to conventional squats? If so, what and why would you incorporate it into a program? (59:01) #Quah question #4 – What are some causes of the obesity epidemic? (1:05:38) People Mentioned Bill Burr (@wilfredburr)  Instagram Brendon Ayanbadejo (@brendon310)  Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron)  Instagram Joel Osteen (@JoelOsteen)  Twitter Mark Manson (@markmanson)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned December Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic ½ off! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** Dark Sense of Humor Linked to High Intelligence - Study Tesla stock hits Elon Musk’s magic number: $420 Don't F**k with Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer | Netflix Watch Manhunter | Prime Video - Amazon.com Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Why millennials are skipping church and not going back Mind Pump 1165: Bishop Robert Barron on Physical Fitness, Satan, Evolution, Psychedelics & Much More A Claymation Christmas Celebration (1987) Mind Pump Unilateral Training Workout Mod The BEST Single Leg Exercise You Are Not Doing! (TWO VARIATIONS) - Mind Pump TV Sore muscles…what does it mean? - Mind Pump Is Muscle Soreness Necessary For Gains & What Does It Mean? - Mind Pump TV Mind Pump 1142: Nine Signs You are Overtraining MAPS Fitness Anabolic – Mind Pump MAPS Fitness Prime – Mind Pump Nearly half US residents to be 'obese' in 2030, 1 in 4 to have 'severe obesity,' study says Mind Pump Free Resources 

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Starting point is 00:00:40 Fitness podcasts, talking about our favorite candy bars. I mean, yeah, we're human beings. Then we talked about our time in Las Vegas recently. We went to go see the Bill Burr comedy show was hilarious, Doug got destroyed and smashed. It was a lot of fun. You lost me bring that up. Then I talked about the study that connected
Starting point is 00:00:57 dark humor to high IQ. So for those of you that look at my memes and think, Sal, you're so- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- Aero- for those of you that look at my memes and think, Sal, you're a selection. There are a collection studies again. There you go, yep. I talked about how Tesla's stock is roaring and crushing. Looks like they're ugly truck, quote unquote. So apparently that means we're wrong. Yeah, I'm not.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Yeah, they're a Christian. Sure. Then we talked about the documentary on Netflix called Don't Fuck With Cats. Proceed with caution. It is a disturbing show to watch, but it's also quite interesting. Not Christmas Christmas material that let us talk about serial killers I talked about having vegan protein in Vegas from a company that was not
Starting point is 00:01:34 Organify and I was quickly reminded why Organify is the company we work with their protein powder is the best quality and it tastes the best by the way We have a discount for you if you go to organified.com forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off their protein powder and all of their other organic products. Then we talked about how millennials are leaving religion like crazy,
Starting point is 00:01:58 and we talked about what that could potentially look like. And then we mentioned our favorite Christmas movies. Then we got into the questions. The first question was, this person wants to know if it would be beneficial to training entirely unilateral for a while. Now unilateral training means training one arm or one leg at a time.
Starting point is 00:02:16 So rather than using barbells, using dumbbells or instead of doing squats, doing lunges, we talk about all the benefits of doing so. The next question, this person wants to know how reliable it is to judge your progress based on muscle soreness. So we talk all about muscle soreness, what it means and what it doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:02:32 and we talk about the myths surrounding muscle soreness. The third question, this person wants to know all about box squats and if they have any value. So should you add box squats into routine or traditional squats enough? And the final question, this person want to know what some of the things are that have caused the modern obesity epidemic. Also, four days left. There's only four days left for maps aesthetic. What's it for? 50% off. Maps aesthetic is a phenomenal body sculpting body building program. So it's a full workout with video demos and workout descriptions.
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Starting point is 00:03:50 Sal what did you get what I what what you get her would I get Jessica? Yeah? What you McCollard a wedding band a what you McCollard yeah for Chris. Hey Mary Chris man I've ever had ever had that candy bar what you McC calling what you're calling I did was that a commercial It wasn't as good as you as you think though. I don't know. It was pretty good Do a little bit of crunch in there and it's like like a poor man's Kit Kat. Do you know what my yes? Do you know what's you know my favorite candy is though my favorite candy bar? Let's talk about our favorite candy bars I already know it just this yeah, I mean He had a peanut butter peanut butter Snickers damn it peanut butter Snickers. Yeah, he had a peanut butter, peanut butter, snickers, damn it. Peanut butter snickers? Yeah, he had a very good candy bar.
Starting point is 00:04:26 That's right, you weren't around, dude. Yeah. Yeah, when we were, when we were sitting around in the airport, I was like, I walked right past it and I was like, oh my God. And I just impulse, just picked in. I actually don't have ever had one. Why'd you sell it in the morning right now?
Starting point is 00:04:40 Did you get horny for it? Yeah, I did get horny. Cause I didn't, some of, I've always been a Reese's guy and then Halloween came around and I was stealing candy from the kids and I stole one of those Snickers bars that had peanut butter and it was like, fucking amazing.
Starting point is 00:04:55 So I had to get it. I've never had one. Have you had one? Yeah, they're good. Oh, you've had it. Yeah, they're good. You know which one is my favorite? You know, for a health ambassador,
Starting point is 00:05:02 you've had a lot more candy than I have, I feel like. He's on hard I don't I don't think so I don't I don't know what that means No, I like the gummy stuff. It's true. I am the ambassador of health though You haven't lost your rib it did it did it no baby Ruth Baby baby. Love baby. No. I know it's so simple too. It's just it's just Caramel nugget in a covered in peanuts, but the saltiness. So you like pay days in too, right? Pay days are also good. Yeah, I love them.
Starting point is 00:05:30 What's your favorite? Too much peanuts. You know, it's funny. I'm not a big candy bar guy. I'm trying to remember, as a kid, I love butter finger. No, you're a good and plenty guy. I am a good, if I was a,
Starting point is 00:05:41 if I was a go have a candy now, you know what, that's an old, that's like an old thing. It's a whole thing, yeah. I didn't like black like Chris when I was a kid, if I was to go have a candy now, you know what, that's an old, that's like an old thing. Yeah, I didn't like black liquorice when I was a kid. No. You hate black liquorice as a kid. But that's one of those weird things
Starting point is 00:05:51 that when you get beyond 30, all sudden that shit all changes in the store. It's like all of us. I mean, good and bloody, so black liquorice candy, which is weird, I never liked that as a kid. You know, pecan ice cream, coconut ice cream. That's all stuff you don't like when you're a kid. Yeah,, Picon ice cream, you know, coconut ice cream. That's all stuff you don't like when you're a kid. Yeah, all the stuff I used to tease my grandparents for eating.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Yeah, it's all people ice cream, it's all people candy. That's the shit I like now. Did you guys ever eat 100 grand? There's originals. You ever see 100 grand? Yeah, those are not that good. Yeah, to work on those for a while. Little bit, you get stuck in your teeth.
Starting point is 00:06:21 No, the worst for that, the worst for that is what are they called? Juju bees? Juju bees, dude. I used to like them about ripping your enamel right in your teeth. No, the worst for that, the worst for that is, what do they call it, juju bees? Juju bees, dude. I used to like them, I'm talking about ripping your enamel right off your teeth. I don't understand how you're supposed to enjoy those. Yeah, but you're just supposed to suck on them, right? No, what's great about them is that like one little box lasts a whole movie.
Starting point is 00:06:35 That's what I used to like, because it's just, you could like, non-want for a weekend hour. Yeah, did you guys ever get wax lips when you were a kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a thing for a long time. What's the deal with that? I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:06:47 It was like fun because it made your face look all funny. So is that it? Because when I got it when I was a kid, I thought you were supposed to eat it. You do? You eat it eventually, but like, why is it? The fun is just like being silly with your friends.
Starting point is 00:06:59 It's nothing. It's a candle. It's a flavored candle. It's disgusting. It's straight petroleum in your chops. You know what I mean? Is it that bad? I don't give it.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Yes. Look that up, Doug. It's made out of fossil fuels. Were they giving us plastic? Were we giving us plastic, plastic, plastic kids? That's what it is, dude. It's literally petroleum wax. It's like getting Vaseline.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Hey, how'd you guys like Bill Burr? Oh my God. He is the master. He is really good. It's, so he was ripping people so hard Then there was like a good segment where he was like making jokes about women and in front of us because we're four rows back We're like I could oh you saw some I could throw my phone and hit them right some cold responses
Starting point is 00:07:40 Oh dude, there was like some millennials sitting in front of us and I was like girls with the boy faces And oh and you can tell the guys were like is it okay to laugh? Everyone's about to look at their girl. I guess I can't. Their bodies like laughing, but not their you know They're not like like audibly laughing. No, see like wax lips of the common name of a candy product made of colored and flavored food grade paraffin wax. Yeah Cheap. They're such thing as food grade paraffin wax. I think what it means is it's wax that won't potentially kill you, so they call it food grade. I see.
Starting point is 00:08:09 You know what I'm saying? No, but Bill Burr was fucking hilarious. Do you got to be the best? He, I swear, he has like a roast terets or something. Like he's so good at it, like it's just, it's automatic. Like when somebody yells something out, he just like focuses and lasers right in on them. Oh, oh, and then, I don't know what they had in that auditorium, but there must have been a show beforehand where Cumpetty fell from the ground. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:31 So every once in a while, Cumpetty would kind of come down and eventually you think to yourself like he's ignoring it. But then he starts addressing it. Then he goes, he ad-libs. He just starts making jokes about the Cumpetty and the crowd. Yeah, they became part of the show. He's so good. Well, I think he was pissed. I think it was bothering the shit out of him.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Because what you would see, he'd be right in the middle of setting a joke up. And then one or two pieces of confetti would come down. And I would watch like all the people in front of us and to the side of us like look up to the left or right. Yeah. You know, when you're part of being a good comedian is being able to draw you in and then smack a punchline on you.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Sure, yeah. That takes a little bit away from the punchline. For sure it does. So you could tell that was bothering you. But for him to roll with it like that was. I just, I like him because I like it when comedians do a good job pushing boundaries, but doing away that it's funny, because it takes skill, especially nowadays nowadays with everybody being offended by everything.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Yeah. Which actually reminds me of a study. There was a study that came out that really showed, and this is not the only study, there's several now, that have shown a strong correlation between intelligence and dark humor. So people who really like dark humor, there's a strong correlation between that
Starting point is 00:09:42 and high intelligence. Now, what do you think that is? I think that if you have really dark humor, there's a strong correlation between that and high intelligence. Now, what do you think that is? I think that if you have really dark humor, you have the ability to kind of see like both sides of it, right? That's what I think that's what causes that. Is that right? What do you think? I think people that like dark humor aren't necessarily sick people. They just see the irony and their mind goes into ridiculous places. Well, so here's what I think. I think, because there's a novelty aspect to humor. So if something is funny, it's oftentimes because you don't expect it, or it's an unexpected punchline
Starting point is 00:10:12 or whatever. And I think intelligent people need to be challenged more in order for that to happen. So it has to be something that really, oh shit, I can't believe you just, and then you laugh. Because you train a lot of doctors, and I have some doctor friends too, that they have the sickest humor like eat like way beyond me. Oh terrible I was like wow and really smart people you know and it but that's the thing
Starting point is 00:10:33 I think it's just it also I think it's like a Filtration thing like they're expunging these ideas out of their mind, you know on some level. Oh, it's terrible Well, what is it? What's the term when you can when when two light two opposing ideas can live in your mind at the same time? What's that called? There's a term for that? You know that is bisexual. No, it's not bisexual Yeah, it can happen. It's that your friends call you That's not what I'm talking. There's a term I can't you don't know the term your worthless sometimes It's not it's not on command, bro
Starting point is 00:11:04 It just comes out. Don't you don't have that it's not in his wheelhouse There's a term for that when you when you have two opposing ideas that you that simultaneously you can you can hold you hold right? So what is that you can't you can't you do what do you do? Allity of ideas For lack of better term we can use do But I think that's what it is. I think it's the ability to see both Extremes and that and most people can't do that most people are easily But I think that's what it is. I think it's the ability to see both extremes of that. And most people can't do that.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Most people are easily swayed one way or the direction of the way. An intelligent person has the ability to laugh at it because they don't truly, and the fact. Believe it, they just think it's ironic. And they don't identify with the fact that they're laughing. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I can laugh at this joke, and it doesn't mean that I think that that's okay. It doesn't mean that I promote that or whatever. I don't get offended or whatever. Yeah. Anyway, Vegas though, huh? Yeah. Does that, I don't know, does this happens to me? I don't know if it happens. Everybody, this what happens to me. Anytime I fly into Vegas, I get in the, as soon as I get in the airport, you know, when you, when you smell a certain scent and you bring you back, you get memories. So like, like you ever walk somewhere and you smell something.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Oh my God, this reminds me of first grade. Or this reminds me of grandma's house. Okay. You just smell debauchery. As soon as I land in Vegas, I'm like, oh, hungover. Oh, I'm gonna feel like, oh, God, terrible. Too much, you know what I'm saying? You guys get that?
Starting point is 00:12:18 It's just smell bad decisions. It's such a, it's such a place of like terrible, gosh, everything. Like you just, everywhere way, we're driving and cars are pulling up next to us taxis and the advertisements on are for either strip clubs or S-Cort services or weed or guns. You know, you can shoot machine guns.
Starting point is 00:12:36 It's like he landed into Grand Theft Auto. Yes. He's like, all right, cool. But we did stay just in one place. Well, that was the first time that I've done that. I think where I was just like, here's the hotel, the events right here, the meetings right here, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:48 you're gonna sleep right here. Everything was like right there. Cosmo, Cosmo, nice hotel. Yeah, I think that it was necessary for us to do. It was an in and out trip, from, you know what I'm saying, it was convenient. Nothing was worse than going to Vegas that quick
Starting point is 00:13:01 and then having to drive all over the strip to get to places. Yeah. So the fact that we were able to stay right in the Cosmode. Now what's the longest you've ever stayed in Vegas on the strip? Two days. Yeah, there's no way I can stay longer. I swear to God, I don't think I could do it longer than two or three days. I really don't.
Starting point is 00:13:18 After the second or third day, I need to go home and take a shower. You know what I mean? I need to like wash myself. Like I can't do this anymore. How about you Adam? I've been a different week from it. You know what I mean? I need to like wash myself like I can't do this anymore. How about you Adam? You've been there for a week, haven't you? Yeah, I have. You've been a week, seven days.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Yeah. Yeah. Wow, but it was not by not intentional. So we one truck, one trip. This is actually one of the first times that Katrina and I really first, first started talking or started getting serious, I should say. It was shooting before you were competing.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Yeah, just before I was competing. We went out there for a trip and the and this was kind of what I don't remember what time of the year it was because we were flying to Florida after that. So I had like a 10 days off of work and we were flying first to party in Vegas for like four or three or four days. No, only like three days, three days. And then we were hopping on a plane and flying out to Florida and then we had hopping on a plane and flying out the Florida, and then we had a place out in Florida for the rest of the trip. And I got this god awful flu, like so bad that I couldn't get up.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Oh, so you were just in Vegas because you were sick? Yeah, so it was in my design. So what ended up happening was I had all the time off. I had to, I totally lost the money for the place that I had already paid in Florida. It was a time share situation that I had to, I totally lost the money for the place that I had already paid in Florida. It was a time share situation that I had set up. So I lost the money on that. I had to cancel, cancel my flight. My buddy who was, my buddies that were with me that were supposed to go there and his wife,
Starting point is 00:14:34 they flew back home and I was like, I'm just going to stay here. So I just booked the rest of the week and just... Oh, that doesn't count. Yeah, so we're stuck. Yeah, I was kind of stuck. Now what's the longest you've stayed there without being forced? Probably four days. That's about that's max. Yeah, 40. I like I like four days because I like a come-in day that you don't really do much And a last day that you don't really do much and then the party is in between see I say that to myself every time
Starting point is 00:14:57 I say to myself like we're gonna fly just take it easy tonight tomorrow nights the hard night Let's just take it. He never happened. No, that doesn't, yeah. It's a great idea. Yeah, I did, I've done it where I flew in and partied and flew out and didn't even stay in a hotel. So we literally flew in, landed at 8 p.m., went nuts and then gone on a plane at, I think was like 11 a.m. the next day. Yeah. Just no sleep.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And just no sleep. Oh, and then, and that's the time, that's one of the only times I ever threw up on a plane. Oh, no, I've shared stories where I've I'm pretty sure I've shared on this podcast where we've done Vegas trips I mean, I was trying to think when I came in there this for sure Vegas is the most travel to place for me At least a hundred times that I've been to Vegas total in my life and one of the times I remember
Starting point is 00:15:41 We were at what's the club that stays open all night long. That's in a barley. The fuck what's it called? I don't know. I'm losing. You know, it's the trace. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry.
Starting point is 00:15:53 The full. Yeah. So we go there all night long. And I think my flight is like at seven o'clock in the morning, seven or eight in the morning. And so instead of like trying to go home early and take a, take a nap and then go, I was just, I'm just gonna fucking party through the whole night and then I'll just take a cab at like six
Starting point is 00:16:10 o'clock in the morning or whatever to the airport. And so that's what I did. And I remember I had, I checked in early, so I had like a priority, but I was so exhausted and I was so hung over from partying that I was afraid that I would miss the flight. So I, I took my, my duffle bag and the airport's almost dead at that time and I put my little bag, like a pillow and in the Southwest A line at the very front
Starting point is 00:16:36 because I had like A5 and fell asleep and like woke up to like people like stepping over me to get on the flight. For them, that's like normal. Yeah, nobody woke me up, it was great. You know what I was saying? It's another day. All you'd Vegas, everybody lets you get away with that.
Starting point is 00:16:47 You don't say that, there's like, oh, no big deal. This guy had a hard one, right? So it just got to be my favorite to the hotel as the airport degenerates that are still gambling. You know what I'm saying? I can't get enough. I gotta spend more money. Well, you know, I think part of that is back.
Starting point is 00:17:00 And those machines are the tightest. No, it's the opposite. And the airport? Yes, they hit the most. I read that they hit, they're the tightest no it's the opposite the airport. Yes, they hit the most I read that they hit their the tightest. No, I think they hit they hit the I was just listening to a guy literally I don't know. I've won in an airport right. I was listening to a guy. Okay, we were before we flew back One of the dudes that works for the Southwest was talking to somebody who said the same exact thing and he's like no
Starting point is 00:17:23 Machine whatever I watched it hit for this much. This is about, and he might be just trying to sell it. He's a little shit. Why does he sell the West? What the fuck does he care? Because he works for the airline industrial complex. Yeah, me too. He's a bit of an airline industrial complex.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Let me see, I'm gonna look it up. Well, wouldn't it be like, you'd want them to win so that way you're motivated to stay there, right? Like, oh yeah, oh,, let's keep this going. Did you go like at a hotel? Let me see. I don't know. I have to look at it.
Starting point is 00:17:49 I'm trying to look it up right now to see what you're doing. I'd be interesting how you would measure that statistically too. Because obviously there's way more machines in a hotel than there is at the airport. So it's like, airport slot machines are notorious for offering low payback. That's what it says. And I feel like it would be because- Well, maybe a lower payback, but more frequent maybe. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Yeah, so you win like a hundred bucks or something. Just now, like five thousand. That's enough to make you go, fuck, I'm staying an extra few days now. Eight percent difference between the machines in airports and the ones in the casinos. In terms of payback and frequency of wins. See their tighter, bro?
Starting point is 00:18:26 I knew that. No, I don't. Think about it. You're gambling in the airport. You're degenerate. Your plane is over there. You're like, you know what? I lost 10 grand, but I could win it back
Starting point is 00:18:35 in the next 40 minutes and see what happens. That's why I think they do that. I think they do it to Justin's point, because you got somebody who's got to fly home and they're almost broke. They missed their plane. Yeah. They're like, my little stay again. There's more money. Hey, Doug had a good time. Yeah, he had a good
Starting point is 00:18:51 time. Hey, only three. Doug turned into Doug the Jag all the way. He's doing it hard. Only three times in his life. Only three times in his life as he thrown up. And that's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said. So we're actually glad to be a part of that. You look glad you're sharing this Yeah, you look good, Doug. You look good though. You look really healthy. I survived. Yeah, yeah We it was okay, so do anything crazy, Doug Well, so I gotta tell you my experience the whole thing because you know You guys know how hard it is for me to not intervene and try and take care of people
Starting point is 00:19:18 Oh, make sure you don't have enough water. You guys always make fun of me, right? So I'm like fine I'm gonna let Doug do what he wants. So we're at Bill Burr. I don't know what she didn't do. Now you say that. Yeah, come on. Every time I jump in, everybody gets in the mud of me. Where were you, Sal? Doug needs you as a regulator, dude. No, no, well, so we're there and Bill Burr,
Starting point is 00:19:35 we already drank a bunch, then we go watch Bill Burr. We're dying of laughter. We get Bill Burr's over, we're walking out and Doug's like, wow, he goes, I'm fucked up, man, I'm really drunk. That's what Doug is saying. So you know when someone says that, like you know you're admitting it.
Starting point is 00:19:50 So then we go to the lounge and he has two more dreams. That's what you're supposed to say, Doug, hey, use your brain. I started too, we guys always make fun of me. So I'm like, yeah, he's a grown man. Let's see. It's a grown man. You were slurring after the first one.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Hey, you're the thing. I hardly ever drink. And so I have no real way to monitor myself, I guess. Well, he polished off a bottle of wine with my uncle at dinner. Yeah. Or they polished off a bottle of wine there. And then that drink that we had, that was a triple shot. That dude, poor heavy.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Yeah, he was my hero of the time. Well, we asked for a double and he liked for, it was like three and a triple shot. That dude, poor heavy. Yeah, he was my hero of the fight. Well, we asked for a double and he like for, it was like three and a half shots. You poured my whole cup up with crown. I was like, you did. And then we go to the lounge or drinking more. And then I'm looking at Doug and I'm like, you want me to take you upstairs, buddy?
Starting point is 00:20:35 And he's like, yeah, I think she should. So, walked him upstairs. And, you know, but your balance isn't bad. You've got really good balance when you last met. Seriously, some people can't why I thought I was gonna have to carry him, but he did all right. He did okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Did you throw up in the middle of the night or when you first went up? Uh, shortly after I got up there. Yeah. And then you slept? Yeah, I slept good actually. Oh, I brought it. I mean, it's like normally you like wake up really early, right? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:59 But I slept till like 10 o'clock. Yeah, I told Sal, don't bother him. He's like, oh, I'm worried. I'm so worried. All the next morning, yeah. I wasn't in the dark on the door at 9 a.m. I'm out, I'll do that. I said, we have a later check out.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I said, wait till he's got at least until 11 before we go try and wake him up. Dude, yeah. Hey, by the way, I think this is a good time to bring up how I was right again. So anyways, if you guys see, I mean, I love these segments. You guys see Tesla's stock? How are you right on that?
Starting point is 00:21:28 Yeah, why? Because you guys made fun of the truck and said how I'm still going to make for the dude. There's nothing to do with a stock. It's a great company. Yeah, it's a talking shit. No, it's a Tesla fans. Bro, that's where you're missing for. They are, they're hitting, I think as a matter of fact, as of this podcast, 425, they are hitting
Starting point is 00:21:45 astronomical numbers. Didn't the stock market just break more records again? It did. A Trump tweet about that. Yeah, it did. I know how funny. How funny. But Tesla, I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Tesla exploded. And you want to know what's crazy about Tesla? It's such a, Tesla is such a, they trade it like a tech company. They don't really follow fundamentals like they do with other companies. Like they were at a loss at the beginning of the year. They showed them, they're showing like a, like that they may profit towards the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:22:13 blew up the stock. It's crazy, China's opening a new factory too. Wow. Where were we just out of, I heard they've opened it. I know they opened a big one out in Reno, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, they do have a big company. The model Y is supposed to begin production in 2020. Yeah, see here, look at this, I have this article.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Tesla's financial performance ranged from a more than $700 million loss at the start of the year to crawling back into profitable territory in the third quarter and yet their shares are sharing like they're over $400. Yeah. absolutely insane So they got a lot of buzz from the truck, but let's be honest. It's still fucking ugly I bet you guys are gonna see a lot of them Of course, I mean there's there was a ton of preesses
Starting point is 00:22:54 Well, I know I still stand by it's one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen Yeah, it is our boy Brendan bought one so I'll see it. Did he order one? Yeah, he's already ordered one Oh, I want until they would come in for people? Because when they said they start? No, that's not the cyber truck, right? Model Y, is that, did they call it? No, model Y is a different car. Oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a different car. When's the truck any day? I have no idea. I have no idea. All this talk about you don't even know. But, huh? I'm just right.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Yeah, so you know. That's what I know. I just wanted like bring up them, right? That's good. I'm just right. Yeah, so you know. That's what I know. I just wanted like, bring up them right, and the stock prices and whatever. That's what I know. And you brought up the other day that I think Jessica watched don't fuck with cats.
Starting point is 00:23:35 With me. We watched the first episode. Holy shit. Yeah, dude, that's not cool. I can't, how did you watch the first one and not get pulled into it? I want to watch more, but here's what happened. We put it on and I convinced.
Starting point is 00:23:46 What made you even want to watch it? Because the only reason why I watched it was because I heard that. I watched it, you know when you're on Netflix and if you hover over it, it'll show like a commercial for it or whatever. Yeah. So you see some of it and I'm like, this looks really interesting. Yeah, that popped up on mine. I haven't watched it.
Starting point is 00:23:59 So I convinced turns, my bad. I convinced, she looks like it might bother me a little bit. Like now, it looks kind of cool. Oh, she's straight called that. It's very it might bother me a little bit. Like, no, it looks kind of cool. She's straight cold, that. It's very disturbing. And it's that night right before. Right before. So I put it on and we watched it and she couldn't sleep all night.
Starting point is 00:24:13 She had terrible nightmares all night, freaked out, felt like shit the next day. She's like, I am not watching anymore. So I have to watch it on my own. Yeah, it's crazy. It was terrible. It's a terrible show. Haven't you seen it?
Starting point is 00:24:25 No, so what? It's like some... I don't want to say anything about it. I don't want to say anything about it because it... I almost turned it off because it's so disturbing. The first part of it, I'm like, I can't watch a whole show on this. But by the end of the first episode, it kept me in to go,
Starting point is 00:24:43 okay, I'm just curious of what's going to happen in the second episode. And then the first episode it kept me in to go okay, I'm just curious of what's gonna happen in the second seat the second Episode and then the second episode it takes some like turns and twist so essentially and correct me if I'm wrong I don't watch the rest of the year. You haven't watched the rest so you don't know okay Well, I'm not gonna this is what I'm gonna say about it. You let me know if I'm wrong It seems like so there's a guy that post videos himself doing terrible shit and It seems like, so there's a guy that posts videos himself doing terrible shit, and a bunch of people online band together trying to find out who this guy is
Starting point is 00:25:09 and try to find him. So it feels like the rest of the series is about regular people figuring out how to find this guy through the internet and through that kind of stuff. Am I wrong? Yeah, a little bit. Wow, I am. Well, I mean, of course, they're involved in it the whole time.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Because they're, but this thing goes crazy. Worldwide. Really? Yeah, no, this worldwide manhunt on this guy. Oh, dude. Yeah. No, this is it's a it's a it's a big deal and it's twisted and it's got twist in it and it's it's crazy It's a it reminds me of a like a shorter version of what was the one Justin I brought up you making a murder. Yeah, making a murder. Yeah, where you're just kind of back and forth on which how you how you think about it or feel about it. So it doesn't it's a it's a crazy fucking doc. I can't believe I watched it. I didn't think I would.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Did you could you know watch it? No, she started it with with me and then she took the baby for a bath and then she came down. She's like, you're still watching that? And I'm like, oh my God, it sucked me in. I can't stop watching. And so I pretty much finished watching it by myself. And she was wrapping presents and doing stuff. So I should watch it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:10 All right. I watched that. The confession killer. Did you watch any of that? Yeah. But yeah, it was all right. It was interesting. The guy was like, you don't know if he actually did kill something. I mean, he killed some of the people, but then he started claiming that he killed like all these people nationwide, like all over the people, but then he started claiming that he killed all these people nationwide, like all over the place, because there's some racket there with the marshals in Texas. The Texas marshals, they treated him well,
Starting point is 00:26:34 the stuff, because then he was making their job a lot easier because he was just claiming that it was him that killed it, and so then it's like, okay, that case is solved now. Did you, I hear you talk about one time about the decrease in serial killers today and versus whatever is it extremely low? It's a lot lower than it was in past decades.
Starting point is 00:26:56 A lot of that, they think has to do with the fact that, you know, when you have crazy people who are like borderline but also who are narcissistic, because a lot of these sociopaths are also, you know, part of that, that, that psychology is that they're also extremely narcissistic. Right. So they're crazy, they're borderline, extremely narcissistic.
Starting point is 00:27:15 And when they see people doing stuff and getting lots of attention, it sparks them to wanna try to do the same thing. Right. A lot of serial killers like the chase. They like that people are talking about them. It's not that they don't want to necessarily get caught, but they want to know that they want people to know that they're the ones that did it.
Starting point is 00:27:34 So it's just weird. And so with serial killers, same thing with people who do shootings, the more that happen and the more publicity they get, the more tend to happen. Yeah. So if they stop getting publicity, the theory is that we would actually see less if that's kind of stuff. So are we? I always think about that,
Starting point is 00:27:52 especially in a tragedy happens. It's like, you wonder how much better it would be if they downplayed it all. They would probably be better off not reporting the killer's name and all those information. And oh, he was this and she was that or whatever. Just shooting happen don't talk about the person at all give them no no press whatsoever because that can actually trigger. Yeah people because it was a there was a period there.
Starting point is 00:28:16 In the 60 70s and 80s where there's a look seem like there's a fucking serial killer every other every the Yeah, yeah, there was a whole bunch. You know how they got some of them, I forgot who it was, I'm trying to think, they got one of them to kind of talk, admit to what he did. You know how they did it? They prayed on his narcissism. Yeah, they brought him in. That's in that documentary, man hunter. Yeah, oh is it?
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah, that's where they're like, hey, if you were to do it, how would you get away with it? Well, they, they, they, one of the guys that gets caught in there. And I think that it's based on true events. I don't know, it's a, I don't think it's a true story. I think it's based on they, they, they, they, one of the guys that gets caught in there. And I, I think that it's based on true events. I don't know. It's a, I don't think it's a true story.
Starting point is 00:28:47 I think it's based on true events. And they, they talk about that. It's like, it was part of, when they first figured out what serial killers were. And they were, because that wasn't even a thing before what the 70s or 60s went into first serial. Well, I mean, they've been around. Right, right. But we didn't have a title.
Starting point is 00:29:00 We didn't have a name. You didn't have a psychological profile for it. Exactly. Right. And so I wanted that when they figured out they figured out they were highly narcissistic, they would, oh wow, these guys wanted to talk about it. And so feeding into their ego and asking was part of the way I was trapped.
Starting point is 00:29:11 There was the zodiac killer who was in, I believe he was in California. San Francisco. San Francisco. And he used to leave, he used to like tell police what he was gonna do when he was gonna do it. He'd give him clues and what. And he'd like be there and watch.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Yes. Oh, so creepy. Fuck. I'll screw that. Anyway. So dude, I was when we were in Vegas, you know, I stayed there longer to visit with Jessica's family and her mom works at Whole Foods and you know, we go over there to visit her wherever she's saying hi while she's working and I had a neat and all day and I wanted protein and you know, organified doesn't sell retail, do they? No. Yeah, I know where. So anyway. I haven't seen them. So I'm going to get a vegan protein and it's, I can't remember the brand,
Starting point is 00:29:52 life, I can try and think of the brand, organic life or something like that. Disgusting. I used to drink it all the time. Yeah. I used to drink it all the time and I forgot how, like it tastes like powder, dirt, you know what I mean? Well, that was the original thing that made me,
Starting point is 00:30:07 because I tried, I tried, I began protein, like, I don't know, 10 years ago, just to see, because I had heard people tell me, like, you know, your stomach could be upset or could be bothering you, because you have a lot of way. Yes. And so I tried it and I was like,
Starting point is 00:30:23 ugh, it just, it tastes so different. If you're used to like weigh protein shakes and then you make the switch over to a vegan protein, it's really tough. Raw protein, that's what it was called. And it was so disgusting. It was like a, it was like a char, and I used to drink it all,
Starting point is 00:30:37 because I can't have dairy. I used to drink it all the time, but I haven't had anything like that in a long time because of organified. That's the one that I'll use now. Yeah. So whatever, I mean, it's crazy when you do a different one You realize how good how good they did is for you forget it's vegan protein. Yeah, the texture and the flavor for it's about as good as it gets You know, that's right. That's right. Absolutely. I was reading another
Starting point is 00:30:58 article that I want to bring up so There's this huge migration that they're observing right now of Millennials and younger but mainly mainly the statistics are coming out millennials who are leaving religion unmasked. Just by the droves, they're leaving religion. And in the past, when this has been observed, what we've seen is that people leave religion as kids, but then when they start families, they go back to religion.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Not happening this time. Millennials now are getting married and they're not going back to religion. So this is the largest migration that we've seen of a population leaving. Now is there something they attributed to? Well, I have a few points here that they talk about in the article. They said that one thing, many millennials didn't have strong time ties to religion to begin with. So, they're less likely to develop those habits or associations that make it easier to return
Starting point is 00:31:53 to religious community. So, a big part of it is their parents. The parents didn't raise them in that, and that makes a big difference. They're also increasingly likely to have a spouse who is also non-religious. So then they marry someone who's also not in the religious practices or whatever. And then there's changing views about relationship between morality and religion. And so a lot of young people are convinced that religious institutions are irrelevant or unnecessary for their children.
Starting point is 00:32:22 What do you guys think of that? Do you guys think that that is good, bad? What are the potential side effects of that? What do you guys think? I think it'll swing. Like it always does. I think that it was inevitable we would go this way. And I think that you'll see a big movement out of people.
Starting point is 00:32:43 And then you see people like the Bishop Barons that are starting to reach and penetrate social media and the masses like he is, that's kind of bringing people more back to that direction. So I think it'll naturally swing. At the end of the day, like the thing that, because Katrina is, Katrina's spiritual, she's not religious, right?
Starting point is 00:33:03 So she comes from a family that talks about spirituality a lot. I come from a family that talks about Christianity and God. So we're not the same when it comes to that. But at the end of the day, the values and principles that I learned going through church and being a Christian growing up, she 100% values that. There wouldn't even be a discussion. Like, if I wanted to bring Max to church, she would be 100% supportive of it.
Starting point is 00:33:29 In fact, she would encourage it because we see the value in just... Well, there's a lot of spiritual truth that you find in different religions. They're all different, different practices, but they all kind of echo similar things. So I guess you could call that spiritual truth or wisdom. But when you dive deeper into these studies,
Starting point is 00:33:48 you find that although millennials are leaving religion, it doesn't mean that they're not spiritual. Yeah, well. They're chasing the crystal thing. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use.
Starting point is 00:33:58 That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. That would have solved our use. like in the 60s and, you know, like where people are kind of going to these festivals, they're looking for connection in different ways, like community in different ways. I think it's like, the need is still there.
Starting point is 00:34:10 They don't realize like how to fill that need yet. And I think that it's just, you know, this is a period where like if they weren't exposed to it and we went away from it for a while, it seems like the necessity isn't there where, you know, it's kind of high. I also think that things like Christianity have been under attack quite a bit. Oh, it's not cool. The last few decades.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yeah, so in an example, we were just reading something, right? Like I think we brought up on the show maybe a month or two ago. One of us, I don't know who said it first, was talking about Joel Olstein and his, you know, bajillion dollar property or whatever like that. And then just recently we were talking to him and found out that he doesn't take any money from the church at all. Yeah. Which by the way, most he sells books and yeah, most pastors do that. Most pastors take a salary from yeah, right. So part of part of the, the,
Starting point is 00:35:00 them takes a salary so they can. Yeah, that's commendable at that point. Right, so, you know, but yet we, there's so many memes made around his massive house and how wealthy he is and this and that. And it's like, well, I mean, if this guy built this church and community and he completely puts all that money back either to helping other people or back into his community and then takes zero dollars for himself.
Starting point is 00:35:24 And we're gonna shame him because he writes a book and millions of people buy it. Like, that's kind of weird to me. You know what I'm saying? And it's kind of unfair. And even myself was unaware of that. Like, I'm not like judgmental on that. So I heard that.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Right, right. I'm not pro or I'm not pro or any. I don't know a whole lot about that. Right, I don't either. But that's an example of things like that, I think get put out there into social and somebody sees it real quick, doesn't know much about it. And they're like, oh, just another thing that confirms
Starting point is 00:35:51 that church people are bad. They're out for money and they're out there. Because you've seen televangelists out there that have really been called out and done some shady things. Like that's happened in the past going through the 80s and you saw these examples of people just taking money. If there's a way to influence people and take advantage of them, bad people
Starting point is 00:36:10 are gonna find a way to use that. And that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I don't care if it supplements the fitness space, religion, politics. Right. If there's a way to influence people and then take advantage of them and be a shitty person,
Starting point is 00:36:23 you're gonna find shitty people in that space, not all of them, but you're going to find them be attracted to them and be like, oh, this is a great way to manipulate the hell out of people. Sure. You know, when it comes to beliefs and stuff like that, you know, Carl Jung warned about this and said essentially that, you know, people were, we always will worship something and he feared that the, you know, removing God in his words, people would replace it with government.
Starting point is 00:36:48 And what we saw in the 20th century was a lot of that with communism and Nazism and fascism is that people, when they stopped worshipping things, or they think they stopped worshipping things, they actually replace it with something else. And oftentimes it's... Well, I found that really interesting that even somebody who considers himself an atheist, like Mark Manson, was talking about the hierarchy of that, like that, it's you worship something. You know, so if it's not a God, it's something else,
Starting point is 00:37:13 you know, whether you think it's... It'll be a material thing if it's not God, typically. Right. So if it's not something metaphysical, then it's probably something material. And there's, I mean, I don't know, you can make the argument good and bad about that, but to say I don't worship anything is false. You do worship something.
Starting point is 00:37:28 It's just your top value. Well, it could be good for a lot of people that that's their main driver and passion for many years until what ends up happening is that, and I think that's the case that like someone like Bishop Baron tries to make is that eventually that leads to money, what was it? Money, power, honor, pleasure, a few other things. No, it's really interesting. You made a good point about how, especially Christianity gets made fun of in the West.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I think it's because they allow it. You know, it's one of the only religions that if you make fun of, they kind of sit back and don't say a lot. And they've also obviously, they're extremely influential, so they're like the big guy, right? The big guy that you can poke. Well, just be consistent, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:09 make fun of all of it across the board. Yeah, that's like, I give you're gonna do it. Yeah, but you know, it reminds me of something, I was thinking about over the weekend is how, you know, how fathers are depicted, how fathers have been depicted in modern media for so long. I think it's sending the message to men that being a dad, you know, having kids and whatever sucks that it's shitty It's not cool, you know
Starting point is 00:38:33 If you look at movies and TV with dads, they're like idiots and they think about the days when they weren't You know married and they could do what they want and I think a lot of guys can hang out at the bar longer Just to not go home. Yes, and the you know It's funny is that for most of human history It was never that way for most of human history a man's Expensive pride it was prestige and pride to have a lot of children for sons exactly or you know I have fight you know 10 children. I have 15 grandchildren I you know I'm married for whatever and people are like wow what a great It's not like anymore like like media is depicted it as like oh you're married. Oh, man. That sucks
Starting point is 00:39:04 Oh, you've got kids I'll pour you you can't go have fun And it can't even be in a mother too. I mean, that's been been a lot of shame in that direction, which is bizarre to me It's weird, right? I feel like we need to reverse it a little bit and and tell people the like the yeah, it is hard but it's also Extremely meaningful. I think it's something just right for me. Oh, it's more than just it's hands down the most important I also think too like the real MVPs man are fucking single parents I'm extremely meaningful. I think it's something just right for me. Oh, it's more than just hands down the most important. I also think too, like the real MVP's, man,
Starting point is 00:39:27 are fucking single parents. Oh, that's so hard. All you have to do is be a dad or a mom and fucking spend one day with your newborn for a weekend and like you have this whole new appreciation for the people out there that are. It's the job you never clock out of. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:43 It's just always there. I mean, if I can't imagine if I didn't have Katrina and I had to raise Max, and I believe that we've built something very conducive to like making that happen. Like if I had like, if that happened and I had to raise Max by myself and the work environment that we have,
Starting point is 00:39:59 like I would bring him here and there'd be ways around that. And even that. And you have a successful business. Right, right. Imagine if you were just a normal person. Normal person, you're making normal money. We're good.
Starting point is 00:40:09 9 to 5. You have to raise a kid by yourself. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The challenge that that would present, which is why oftentimes they're in poverty. Oftentimes if you're a single parent, you're in poverty. So, but I do think society needs to,
Starting point is 00:40:22 because societal pressures aren't all bad. I know all the time. Well, you can make the case too that we needed to swing that way too a little bit, because then there was, then there's that other thing too, where I think a lot of people were having kids early and irresponsibly and not, and not stepping up to the plate, you know, 20 years old popping a kid out
Starting point is 00:40:39 and you still want to go clubbing every night and you're leaving your kid home. So, you're different, see that's the thing. That's what I mean. societal pressure sometimes we talk about like, society expects us to be this way. So, and that's stupid or whatever. I get that, but there's also a certain,
Starting point is 00:40:52 there's a certain, there's a reason why certain societal pressures exist. And it's because we're social creatures. And sometimes societal pressures exist because they help us be better. And one of them is, you know, this societal pressure of be there, be a good parent. Men don't have the same pressure as women do,
Starting point is 00:41:11 which is why I think part of the reason why I thought, I think a lot of men leave their kids. Because if a mom leaves her kid, the kind of the looks that she'll get and the way people will talk to her, then you got dads who are like, oh I'm there every other weekend, and they're like, oh you're a great dad.
Starting point is 00:41:24 You know, good job. No, man, you know You know, you got to be there. You know, you got to be there for your kids just like the just just like the mom is or whatever. I think that's super important. Yeah, I agree. Did you guys watch any Christmas movies over the holidays? Did you guys watch anything yet? Yeah, I watched a few. You have yeah, what do you what do you go to? Well, the main one that the whole family loves elf, you know, that's that's our first go to we watched what's that other the family loves elf, that's our first go to. We watched, what's that other,
Starting point is 00:41:47 the really old one, it's a wonderful life or something like that, is that the one? I never saw that. Yeah, that's the one I grew up watching that movie and then obviously the Christmas story. You know my favorite actually, it's National Lampoon's Christmas vacation. Well, I haven't watched that one a long time.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Yeah, that one's my favorite because it's just like you know It's like hilarious and I mean there's some language in it. So I'm always like trying to like earmuff the kids But it's worth it. Yeah, I love my favorite Christmas movies die hard. Did you watch? There is no better Christmas. Yeah, did you did you watch it? You and you and Reddit all the internet? Yeah, no, I watched a Homebook I watched a new one on Netflix called Noelle, which is actually pretty good.
Starting point is 00:42:27 It was a cute movie. I turned it off. She thought it was cheesy. Did she? Yeah, it is a little cheesy. It is, yeah, yeah. Most Christmas movies are a little cheesy. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:35 How about you? Elf. That was Elf. And then Arthur's Christmas. Have you seen that one before? No, what's that? That's like a cartoon, cartoon digital animation type one that's actually pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Really? Yeah, yeah, it's actually good. It's like Santa has like two sons and he's got like then one of them's like the Arthur who's like this kind of weak little weakling son and he has like the real Christmas spirit and wants to be like the next coming Santa when dad passes on. Then there's like the kind of like asshole brother
Starting point is 00:43:03 who's like all big and like, you know, yeah, and like wanting the power and stuff. And so the struggle of the two of them, like fighting to be the next Santa. It's actually a cool story and it's like kind of futuristic, it's cool, it's great. I like, it's one of the ones I really like. That one and then we watch the Christmas Carol with Jim Carrey, the animated version that. That's a definite, so that one and L for like traditional too that we always watch because one, L is my favorite. I think she's- Alph wins, yeah, it's just so fucking funny.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Did you guys watch, have you guys ever seen Polar Express? Yeah, yeah, what's up, makes- Creepy, right? And it's a little weird. It is a little weird. The animation's a little, the little, yeah, it makes it kind of a little bit off. Yeah, it's kind of a strange thing. That's like the Christmas Carol has that weird animation like that.
Starting point is 00:43:47 That's it. They use, you can tell the cartoon is Jim Carrey's face, but it's a little distorted or whatever. It looks, that's kind of like how they did it with Polar Express. Bale Wolf was like that. I guess we'll watch that. Yeah. Bale Wolf was pretty, was that, was that nude scene with, was that Angelina Jolay playing that one character? That's a damn, that was a nice transition. Yeah, there was that. You'd see where I talk Christmas. It's probably one of the things that you use.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Yeah, I'm thinking about this naked cartoon character. You know, I got one for you though. There was, this is so random, but every Christmas, like my brother and I, we have to watch this, like at my parents' house, it's the raisins Christmas. So they did like a special, the California raisins. This is like way beyond, yeah, like anybody that I remember that.
Starting point is 00:44:29 One of the most successful ad campaigns of all time. Yeah, so like they actually did this whole like special and it's all claymation and everything. And so it's like super like cheesy, but like awesome cheesy. You know, and like they're all singing and there's lots of little skits in it and everything. But it's like, I have to watch it on VHS. My mom and the VCR.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah, we have one VCR, like literally just for that. Like everyone else. I kill you guys have a VCR. Yeah. It's crazy if you have a DVD player these days. I know. That's crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:59 It's still where it's getting like every year gets worse too. Like the, it starts getting chopier and a little fuzzier, you know, like, oh no, I'm gonna have long this gonna last. It gives it that good quality though, does it? Ah yeah. This quad brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give
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Starting point is 00:45:51 A hundred percent. I am right now in the middle of my longest cycle of doing that for my lower body. So I love squatting, love deadlifting. I've did them for years, got pretty good at Bolteville, especially the deadlift. And I started noticing that I just had an imbalance between the two sides and it became glaring when I would do weighted Bulgarian split stance squats, squats or lunges. And it was glaring in the sense that it just felt different. Like my left foot, when that was forward, felt different when my right foot was forward. So I said to myself, I'm not going to squat felt different when my right foot was forward. So I said to myself, I'm not gonna squat at all
Starting point is 00:46:26 until I feel super strong with lunges and Bulgarian split stand squats. And so I'm probably three or four months into just doing that. And I'll tell you what, the leg development is good, but what's better is my stability. I feel so much more balanced. And I know when I go back
Starting point is 00:46:45 to squatting, I'm gonna feel that much stronger, because of it. Oh, absolutely, it's gonna make you stronger. I know it's the same thing, and it happens so gradually. You know, like my hips started to just barely rotate, like ever so, you know, little, little by little, it became an exaggerated thing to where then, you know, in the middle of the night,
Starting point is 00:47:05 like I would get pains and things shooting down my leg. And now I've learned to address it a little bit earlier and start doing more unilateral training because it does. It provides so much more stability on my hips. So that way, when I'm doing these bilateral movements, everything's like working together simultaneously. You are able to produce more force to be, it makes you stronger. So I was making a case for this a couple of years ago in here when we were
Starting point is 00:47:31 talking about Bulgarian split squats and what a game changer it was for me and my squat. It was when I was going through the whole mobility stuff. I did the same thing as I was. I kind of stopped squatting with both feet and started doing split squats. It was a game changer for me. I think this is true, even if you don't have discrepancy in imbalances. Even if you have good symmetry and you're not off, I still think there's a lot of value in unilateral training period.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Doing one leg, one arm at a time. So I think everybody should face at least annually, if not, you know, every, every couple of months, throw in some training, a training blocks that are primarily unilateral. So I find value in that for anybody, even if you're not. And for sure, if you have an balance is going on, I think there's a ton of value. Yeah. And you, I think people will fear that they're going to lose muscle, lose strength. Not at all. No, and you know, there's this phenomena that happens with resistance training that I identified a long time ago and everyone wants to take advantage
Starting point is 00:48:34 of it. And that's when you do a new exercise, you're not nearly as strong as you are when you do exercises you're very familiar to. Now, why is it a good thing? Because the potential for progress is massive. Like when I do exercises you're very familiar to. Now, why is it a good thing? Because the potential for progress is massive. Like when I do, when I doing squats with 315, and I feel comfortable doing that, and I haven't done lunges in forever, and then I get underneath a 105 pound barbell and do lunges, my legs are getting real fatigued
Starting point is 00:49:02 because it's a new skill. That means as I'm learning, as my body's getting used to it, my progress from, and that lunges. My legs are getting real fatigued because it's a new skill. That means, as I'm learning, as my body's getting used to it, my progress from, and that lung is gonna go from 105 to 225, in a relatively short period of time, I'm not gonna get that with my squat, because I'm kinda tapping the ceiling with my squat, so to speak, or at least I'm closer to it. So that potential for growth is there,
Starting point is 00:49:21 and what ends up happening when you add 50, 60 pounds to an exercise as you get better at it is you just your body responds. You get exceptional results. Now one of the best ways to apply this by the way, and this is something that Adam communicated a long time ago, I thought was brilliant, is make sure you start with your weaker side
Starting point is 00:49:41 and let that dictate how much weight and reps you do throughout the workout. Because what you don't want to do is you don't want to start with your strong side and then maintain the discrepancy between the two. So let's give you an example. Let's say I'm doing a Bulgarian split stance squat and I notice my left leg is much weaker and I can hold 30 pound dumbbells and only do eight reps with my left leg, but
Starting point is 00:50:05 with my right leg, I can do 12 reps. I'm only going to do eight. I'm going to stick to what my weaker side can do and allow that to catch up. I'm not going to do eight on my left and 12 on my right and just keep, have them both grow but continue to maintain the, you know, the discrepancy between the two. Allow the weaker side to dictate the weight and the reps, and then watch what happens and start with the weak side. Start with it in the beginning of your workout.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Studies show that how you prioritize your exercises. The exercise you do first in your workout tend to get the most gains. Start with the weak side and allow that to happen and watch what happens. Now visually what does this look like? Visually you start to develop more balance in your body. Your pecs match better, your lats start to look
Starting point is 00:50:49 like they match better, your shoulders, your legs. Then when you go back to your compound movements, we're using a barbell and two arms and two legs, all of a sudden, when you jump back, you just feel solid. You feel way more solid and way more stable. And then that allows you, because here's the thing you wanna back, you just feel solid. You feel way more solid and way more stable. And then that allows you, because here's the thing you wanna consider, oftentimes what's holding you back from progressing
Starting point is 00:51:11 is the weakest link in whatever it is in your body. Your body will not allow you to progress past the weakest point. So if the discrepancy between, for example, you're right and left leg is big, that may be what's keeping your squat at whatever weight. Well, and I think too, that's the problem is you're thinking about
Starting point is 00:51:29 how much weight you're actually moving and people get fixated on that, but they don't realize this, you're getting novelty gains, you're getting these gains that are actually like, building more support, so that way when you go back to these other lifts that you're doing,
Starting point is 00:51:43 it's gonna feel more secure, more stable. Like you're gonna be able to allow your, your buys gonna be able to allow to produce more force to get stronger. So it's a lot of times it's the missing piece to getting past your plateau. Oh, totally. Single leg deadlifts, another phenomenal exercise.
Starting point is 00:52:00 It's an exercise that if you're stuck with your deadlifts, I tell you what, if your numbers on your deadlifts are stuck, try doing single leg deadlifts for, you know, I don't know, three, four weeks, go back to your traditional deadlifts. I want you to have a... Yep. Next question is from Matt Ammo. How reliable is it to judge progress based on soreness? Is it possible to be sore and not be making progress in terms of building muscle? I love this question.
Starting point is 00:52:24 I'm in. Because this is, I love this question. I'm in. Because this is, I think, more pivotal. I haven't addressed this in a while. And I think more people than not make this mistake. I made this mistake forever. I mean, chasing the soreness and thinking that, how sore I was, dictated how successful of the workout was. There was more sore, the better.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Right. And honestly, this heads you down actually a really bad path to building muscle. What ends up happening is you end up, your body's constantly trying to recover from all the damage you've done that you actually don't allow it to adapt and progress. And this was a really hard thing for me,
Starting point is 00:53:02 especially when I started to go from the training of muscle group one time a week, right? Because, you know, and when all this stuff started coming out on frequency and frequency, frequency was king in that it was, you know, far superior than the intensity in one workout if I could hit that muscle three times in the week versus one time really hard, I would see change. The problem was when I first made that transition, I still had that train that hard mentality and I took it into the two and three times a week and I'm like, I'm not going anywhere, I'm not progressing, I'm getting weaker if anything, but that was because I was hammering
Starting point is 00:53:36 my body and I wasn't backing off the intensity. And technically, when we're really sore like that, it's actually technically a sign of overtraining. People don't, if you read the literature on that, it's actually technically a sign of overtraining. People don't, if you read the literature on that, it's, you've trained the body so hard that you've gotten really sore. So the idea of chasing really, being really sore in order to try and build muscle is completely false.
Starting point is 00:53:59 And some of the best gains that I started to get was when I backed off of chasing that, I was able to get three workouts, three workouts a week on legs, which I wasn't able to do when I was training that in high intensity chasing soreness. I looked at it more like practice and perfecting the squats and the dead lifts and the movements, not worrying about going to failure, and that's when I started to see my body really progress. But that took me years to get out of this mentality. Oh, same here.
Starting point is 00:54:26 So there's two myths around soreness. One is that when you get really sore, it means you had a good workout. And then the other one is that you should never train a sore muscle. Those are both two myths. So let's start with the first one. Soreness indicates potential that there was maybe some damage. If you're really, really super sore,
Starting point is 00:54:44 you probably overdid it. My best progress in my workouts and my clients was often when they didn't get sore. It was often when we would work out the next day, they'd say, I feel a little bit, but I'm not really sore. That was usually the right. So that's when I would use soreness. The way I would use soreness would be, if they were really sore, I know I did too much. Other than that, I didn't really make a big difference. Now the other myth is that you don't train a sore muscle. And I used to fall prey to this when I was a kid
Starting point is 00:55:10 where, oh, it's chest state, but my chest is still sore. That means it's still recovering, so I can't work it out. Actually, you'll recover faster. If you, now if you have to work it out with a low intensity, you're not gonna go to the gym and be the crap out of yourself again. But if you're sore, sometimes the best thing you could do is stretch the muscle and exercise it work it out a little bit And you'll find that the soreness will actually dissipate within the workout like right then and there
Starting point is 00:55:33 You'll start to feel the soreness go away and then you'll start to recover fast Yeah, as long as the intensity is appropriate. That's right intensity has to be appropriate though So that way it's restorative Yeah, I think and this is a tough one especially when you're first starting out because like So that way it's restorative. Yeah, I think, and this is a tough one, especially when you're first starting out, because like all this novel stimulus, all this new stuff that you're trying to learn,
Starting point is 00:55:49 like your body's gonna react to it inevitably. And so finding that right amount, that right dosage of stress within each workout, really does, like it takes practice. And so, you know, as I've gotten older, like I've definitely tried to voice, like, less is more. And like that used to never be my message. It was always like, ah, you know, you get over it, you get through it. And like, it's really not that advantageous for you to
Starting point is 00:56:15 blast yourself like right out of the gates, like you would think. So, you know, be mindful that like there's going to be soreness involved, but reducing that and trying to find the right dose of exercises to build upon is much more effective strategy. I like what you said Sal about the way you use Soreness, that's how I use it now. I still use it as a gauge, but it's more so to tell me I over did it. That's not like I was a young kid lifting. I used to chase the soreness and it used to be like, if I wasn't crippling soar, it was like, oh, I didn't get a hard enough. I didn't do enough.
Starting point is 00:56:50 I didn't do enough where I have kind of the opposite idea now. It's like, okay, if I feel really sore, or even if I just feel pretty sore, I'm like, ah, I overreached more than I need to, I want to feel like I just, I could tell I worked out. That's it. The next two days, I want to feel like I just, I could tell I worked out. That's it. The next two days, I want to feel like, oh yeah, if I flex that muscle, I can feel like it's been worked
Starting point is 00:57:10 and it's a little sore. But if I'm limping, you know, or someone pokes me in the chest and I'm like, oh, you know, if I'm sore to the touch, that's way overdoing it. I did not need, I didn't need to to stretch that far to get the muscle-building benefits of not only the breaking down process, but also the adaptation process. So, and it's a very, that's a sweet spot. That's what you're trying to do. You're trying to stretch your capabilities just enough that the body is forced to adapt a little bit. And maybe there's a little bit of damage
Starting point is 00:57:42 done that you have to repair, recover, grow, and strengthen. But what you don't want to do is overreach so much that it's one, going to hinder the next workout and two, your body is taking most of the nutrition into prior to just recovery and it's actually impeding on your workouts in the next couple of days. Healing and adaptation for the sake of this argument are two separate things, okay? Now they do oftentimes happen at the same time, but healing does not mean adapting. So just because your sore and your body heals,
Starting point is 00:58:14 it doesn't mean it's gonna go then and get stronger. And in fact, if you're listening right now, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You're plateaued and you're getting sore, every single workout, and then you're not sore, and then you work out, and then you're sore, and then you rest, and then you're not sore, and you work out, and yet you're in the gym, and you're not stronger, every single workout, and then you're not sore, and then you work out, and then you're sore, and then you rest, and then you're not sore, and you work out,
Starting point is 00:58:26 and yet you're in the gym, and you're not stronger. Your body's not changing, muscles aren't building. All you're doing is healing, and all you're doing is creating damage in healing. Damage in healing. You're not allowing your body to adapt. Adapting is on top of the healing process, or again, for the sake of this podcast,
Starting point is 00:58:43 you can consider it as something separate. And getting too sore, creating too much damage, all that does is makes your body need to heal. It doesn't even think about adapting. It doesn't have time, it doesn't have resources to do so. It's just gonna heal. That's great, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you're trying to progress,
Starting point is 00:58:58 then you're just spinning your tires in the dirt. Next question is from PhillyFan, 1728. I see the West Side Barbell guys doing heavy box squats. Is there a benefit to this compared to traditional squats? If so, what and why would you incorporate it into a program? I love box squats. Box squats were one of the ways I got my squat up to the only time, the first time I ever did, and the only times,
Starting point is 00:59:26 I did over 400 pound squat. It was the box squat that took me to the next level. Now, what I take from the box squat, so to do a proper box squat, by the way, is you get under a bar, like you're gonna do a squat, you take a low box. Actually, you can use different heights, but I would pick a box that would have me
Starting point is 00:59:42 at the bottom of my normal squat. Your end range squat. My end range, and I would slowly lower myself down. I'd sit, I'd stay tight. I wouldn't balance off the squat, seeing people do this on the box where they use it as a tap or a walk back. Or that walk back.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I would sit down on the box, stay tight. I'd wait about two seconds, and then I'd stand up. And what I took from that was the strength that the bottom of my squat got so much better. Oh yeah. It made me way stronger at the weakest part of my squat. And I think it's because when you're at the bottom and you sit there for a second, you're at a dead stop.
Starting point is 01:00:14 You're at a dead stop and you're getting rid of a little bit of that elastic rebound that you get from the bottom of an exercise. I would have to lift from almost a dead position. I would make the argument that similar benefits as pause quads, you're taking momentum out, right? That's, and I think that with squatting and less so with deadlifting, but with squatting,
Starting point is 01:00:37 especially you get that major rebound effect of bouncing off the back of your calves and the release and then pop back up, whereas if you stop and you pause for two or three seconds and then come back up, I mean, that's very similar to the box squat feel where you're completely stopped and then come. You know, you could also, instead of using the box too, you could also use like the rack and come to the bottom of the, until the weights hit the rack and then you're at the bottom and then come from a dead, a dead stop like that.
Starting point is 01:01:07 You can, but the box is a little different because when you sit on it, even though you're staying tight in your core, your muscles do relax far more than if you're supporting it at all. Right, right. And so you kind of sit down, pause for a second, come up, and the, the, the carryover, the reason why the guys from West Side Barbell did it was because of the carryover. When you got stuck in your regular squats, you started doing some box squats, all of a sudden your regular squats start to go through.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Now, you're training the recruitment process. You're enhancing that in the most vulnerable part of the exercise, right? The one where you're down at the bottom of your squat, typically you're not going to produce the most force in that position. So then fixate on that part of the exercise where you typically don't have that much force production. Now let's train that to really hone in and focus on generating more force with that.
Starting point is 01:01:59 It's gonna benefit you tremendously. Now we're making the case for how great they can be. I'm gonna make the case for the other side too, that it's not the most valuable thing for the average person. I think more people would benefit from working on their squat depth and getting better range of motion than loading the bar heavier and shortening the range of motion up and going heavy. As far as the carryover it has for strength and building a squat up incredible. So I think it's an incredible tool like many other tools and that's the reason why Westside Barbell uses it and does it. But for the average client, I had more people
Starting point is 01:02:37 that were stuck at not being able to get a squat to 90 or beyond 90 and so putting a box underneath them where they don't even hit 90 degrees or barely do hit 90 degrees and loading, and normally what people do with box squats too is they load it heavy, really heavy. I don't see a lot of value in that for the average person. I use box squats more for the average person to actually treat, to teach form.
Starting point is 01:03:01 Yes, I was just gonna say, I was just gonna give you some pushback because I loved box squats for the average person. For form, right? To teach them how to sit, like it was a great way to teach someone how to sit back. Like if you get a client, the trainers will understand this that are listening.
Starting point is 01:03:14 You know, sometimes queuing, hinging at the hips is like, what if the fuck does that mean to Susie, who's, you know, 65 and is never fucking, doesn't know what that means, right? But telling them sit back on the box. And because the box will catch them, they're not afraid to sit back.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Exactly, so they get more comfortable with the movement pattern of sliding the hips back and sitting down into a seat or a chair. So that's how I used a box where they're wet, which is not how Westside Barbelly, Westside Barbell is using it for what we talked about at the beginning, which is building strength, tons of value for it
Starting point is 01:03:45 I think it's amazing for those reasons But when I when I think back to the average person that I trained, which is I think the majority of people probably was in this podcast I'm not really using boxquats that often unless it's somebody who's like really new. I'm teaching How to hinge back it but if it's like the average person who's been weightlifting for a couple of years, it's just not a tool that I use that often. It's for, so the first time, when I started doing box squats with other people, it was, this is when I started to understand priming.
Starting point is 01:04:15 This is box squats actually, or what led me to really start to understand the difference between priming and warming up, because I noticed, when I'd have my regular clients do box squats before they squatted, their squats look better. And it was because exactly what you're saying. It taught them, it got them in the right recruitment pattern and feel.
Starting point is 01:04:33 In fact, maps and a ballic box squats are put in there before traditional squats, specifically for that reason. This is before ever talked about or created a program like Maps Prime. Well, and I too, I think that it teaches supportive muscular tension that is necessary in that position, because a lot of my clients would go through the movement of it, but then they would bounce back up off the joints. So you would see them actually relax down at the bottom position, which was very common because you could sort of utilize that elastic spring effect, and then,
Starting point is 01:05:10 you know, that's something we're trying to teach against because, you know, the more you load, now, like, it's going to compromise the joints, you know, down the road. So, I'd looked at it as a great way to then, you know, teach. So now I'm at this bottom position. I have no momentum to spring up off of, how do I get up? You have to really utilize your central nervous system, recruit and squeeze. You gotta be tight, your muscles have to be really involved that way.
Starting point is 01:05:37 All right, next question is from Bear Bowen. What are some causes of the obesity epidemic? Oh man. Did you see my post today? I liked to pull and trigger people. No way, which one was it? It was on the study that you shared in the intro today. The obesity, I actually...
Starting point is 01:05:56 I don't think I shared it. No, you talked about it on the intro to the show. Did I talk about it? Yeah, yeah, okay. Did we talk about the show? I don't think so. No, I don't think we did. Oh, we didn't.
Starting point is 01:06:04 No, no, no, no, no, no, before. We were talking about it before. I was gonna bring it up No, I don't think we did. Oh, we didn't. No, no, no, no. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up.
Starting point is 01:06:11 I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up.
Starting point is 01:06:19 I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna bring it up. that more than 50% of our country will be considered obese. If we just keep on- Staying stays on the trend. Which, I mean, we're not slowing down. We're losing like any of the trends.
Starting point is 01:06:29 The trends technically speeding up. So it looks like that that's the direction that we're going. And so on my poll, I did a poll saying that do you think that the healthy at every size is positively affecting this or negatively affecting it. I've already said negative. You know, there's a lot of people that there's 4% of my following that disagreements.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Well, so you know what's happening. We have offended somebody on that last topic, by the way. I'm sure we did. Yeah, I pissed somebody off when I went on my rant about how terrible I think it is. It's not the cause of the obesity epidemic, by the way. I don't think that's the case. Oh, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:07:04 I think what ends up happening is when you get enough people that are in a category, then they start to demand being treated a particular way or whatever, like when airlines get sued and they're changing the size of chairs now. They're changing the, like, extra larges aren't the same size. They used to be extra larges now or. Yes, they start to normalize it on all levels. And because it comes because it's normal. When half of everybody is obese, it is a normal thing, right?
Starting point is 01:07:32 True. Well, okay, so I have, there's been a lot of theories as to what is caused. Now of course, if we boil it down, we really break it down. We're not burning as many calories and we're eating more calories. That's a duh, right? But why? What exactly is happened to cause that? So there's two things, the lack of burning calories,
Starting point is 01:07:50 well that's an easy one. Life has gotten much easier. Things have gotten automated. You know, washing clothes now, we're not done by hand, we don't have to carry jugs of water everywhere. Jobs are typically behind a desk now where they used to be very, very physical. So we're just daily life is just far more sedentary.
Starting point is 01:08:09 But I don't think that's the main cause of obesity. In fact, when they do studies on that, they find that the lack of calorie burn has a small, maybe a small part to blame, the obesity epidemic. Really the big chunk is how much more we eat. Yeah. I think it's, and it's really the combination of the two of them, right, though, because you're right, like when you look at, it's far easier to sit down and over consume 700 calories than it is to take a daily habit that's changed now by 700 calories, right? Like even
Starting point is 01:08:40 somebody who, let's say like a carpenter versus a engineer at work all day long, you know, the carpenter doing a physical activity. And by the way, his body starts to adapt to that after he's been in carpenter for after six or so. They're not burning as many calories as you think. They're not. They're not burning that many more calories more than the engineer who says. They're healthier. Right. Exactly. But they're not burning that many calories so that's the reason why that study is true when you read that that you're right It's but I think the combination of a sedentary lifestyle with The over consumption and how easy it is to consume calories is just the fucking recipe for disaster What you end up what you have is you know and we'll start with America because we started the trend right when we talk about
Starting point is 01:09:22 You know Western Dietary practices that are contributing to the reason America started it now America because we started the trend, right? When we talk about, you know, Western dietary practices that are contributing to the number one. America started it. Now, how did America start it? Why is it that way? Okay. So America became one of the wealthiest countries, the fastest. And we have, we had some of the best markets in the world. And what do markets do better than anything? Give people what they want. They give people what they want. So if people really value shoes, then the markets can produce a shit ton of awesome shoes. If people really value the way food tastes, if that's what we value the most,
Starting point is 01:09:57 more than anything, is I want food that tastes really good, the market is going to create as much as possible. The second thing that Americans or that people in general really values convenience, we want tasty food that doesn't take a long time to make. In fact, I don't want to make it. I want to buy it and I want to be able to eat it. And so we have this huge flood of hyper-palatable processed foods that started to come into the market. And so that's the main cause of obesity, because that's what causes people to eat more food.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Now, we used to think it was sugar, carbs, fat. Oh, you know, people are eating too much fat. We got to make everything low fat. And then what food manufacturers do, they find a way to make food tasty without fat by adding more sugar. Oh, no, it's too much carbs, cut the carbs out. So then food manufacturers figure that out.
Starting point is 01:10:44 And they're, oh, fat's okay now. Let's make food with fat or whatever. The bottom line is super hyper palatable foods encourage you to eat more. That's what they do. They're designed to do that, and they do it in such a way that it's almost, I hate to use the word unfair,
Starting point is 01:10:59 but your body's natural ability to tell you to, okay, you've had enough food. It gets a little hijack. And studies now show that people will eat about five to 600 more calories a day when given access to hyper-palatable process food versus whole natural food. Even when people aren't, they're not counting macros or anything, they're just going about their day. You'll eat five or 600 more calories of processed food than you will.
Starting point is 01:11:23 Other foods. So when you look at the rise of obesity in America, and you slap on top of that a chart of hyper palatable processed food penetration in the market, they match. Americans used to eat homemade dinners, and those started to kind of fall out of favor, more and more processed food.
Starting point is 01:11:38 Homemade breakfast, homemade lunch, homemade dinners, those started to fall out of favor, more and more processed food, as that started happening, more and more obesity. And it's just, and every time another country adopts our, you know, these types of foods, you look at Mexico, for example, their obesity exploded over two decades. They went from having no obesity becoming one of the fattest countries. I also think that having us having obese kids now is greatly contributing that.
Starting point is 01:12:02 I mean, just a couple decades ago, that was rare. It was rare to see a child under the age of 10 or 12 that would be literally like obese, where it's extremely common now. And I think a lot of that has to do, and to, again, kind of debate the movement point, because I was a kid who could get, I ate a lot of, I ate shitty food and candy as a kid growing up and I got away with it as a kid because I was
Starting point is 01:12:30 extremely active. I was playing all the time. Like, now they, all day, all day, all day I was playing. Like, I, my parents would have to settle me down, like, sit me down or bring me in the house, like, I was not sitting on a phone or on a computer or an iPad all day long. And then also shuttling all that crap. Yeah, I was eating slurpees and having candy and eating desserts. And I was doing a lot of that stuff as a kid, but I was also digging holes and building forts and fucking playing tag and playing flag football. Like I mean, all day long.
Starting point is 01:13:02 Yeah, to me, it seems like we started out, like we've solved all these problems for adults in their jobs, like less, you know, laborious jobs that we had to do, and like now we can, now we can kind of sit in the con, you know, in the comfort of our own chairs and on screens, and, you know, now's trickled into play. And you see this a lot with kids now,
Starting point is 01:13:21 where it's like, you know, lots of the entertainment, the excitement is revolves around video games, it revolves games, it revolves around whatever the latest social media thing is that they can interact with. They're just not outside being interactive and using their body to do things as much. But there's another part to that. Yes, you burn more calories because you're playing all day, but you're also too busy to eat. So it's a, yeah, because when I was a kid, if we were out all day long, you're also too busy to eat. So, when you look at it, just like how many calories more they're burning, it doesn't really affect. It's also affecting that you don't have time to sit in front and eat, and sitting in front of a
Starting point is 01:13:57 fucking screen, being sucked into a video game. And the pantry is right there. Right. I mean, much easier to sit there and suck on sodas and- Even like these, like my kids are in sports and like half the kids will come in, their parents will give them all this junk food and shit to fuel, quote unquote, their activity. You know, and so it's like they're getting activity, but now they're pumping them full of like cookies and all this bullshit before they even get started. My mom used to have to chase my siblings around to make them eat. She's have to chase them because they didn't want to stop playing.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Yeah, that's how we were. So like you'd eat breakfast and then you'd be playing. Right. And then lunch, you'd come in and eat whatever your mom ate. You'd come in just starving. Like, ah! And you'd eat it real fast and get the fuck out. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:37 Well, if you're on your computer or on an iPad, watching TV all day long. Yeah, you're shoveling food while you're. The food's right there. Yeah. And you're mindlessly eating. And then of course, again, it's at 100%. I place most of the blame on the hyper-pellable food. Now this makes the argument for why people need to be healthy.
Starting point is 01:14:56 Because remember, markets reflect what people want. And when any time we look at markets and we think, oh my gosh, this is terrible. Why are we making these things? Why are we feeding us? and we think, oh my gosh, this is terrible, why are we making these things? Why are we feeding our... Because we're paying for it. If humans were truly healthy in the fullest sense, the decisions that we would make
Starting point is 01:15:12 and the value that we would, the values we would have would push the market to make things that were better for us. So if everybody valued real whole foods and if everybody really understood the true value of food and wanted to be healthy and enjoyed eating certain healthy things, they love themselves, the market would go in that direction.
Starting point is 01:15:30 But the problem is people have a bad relationship with food. Food is a way to make yourself feel better about your emotions or anxieties. You only value food for its taste. Ask somebody, next time you go out with your friends and you say, hey, what do you guys want to eat for lunch? 100% of the decision is based off of what they, it's going to taste the best. None of it's going to be like, oh, you know what? I think I really need some, you know, vegetables for my digestion or, yeah, I'm feeling kind
Starting point is 01:15:53 of low energy. It's always like, oh, I don't feel like Mexican. I feel like, oh, you know, it's really good. Let's try eating. It's all based off of the taste. So when you go to the grocery store, all of the foods that were made and manufactured are all, I mean, all the money goes into making them as tasty and enjoyable to eat as possible. Not inherently
Starting point is 01:16:10 a bad thing, but if that's all you eat, you're going to eat more. And that's 100% what caused. And again, when you look at countries that adopt this, the more processed foods they start to eat, the fatter society gets sicker they get um again mexico is a phenomenal example is a twenty thirty years ago obesity was Rare in mexico today. I believe mexico is either mirroring America's obesity rate or might even have surpassed us Because they started to eat adopted I heard this from a lot of immigrants coming in and and culturally like getting into like the way Americans are eating with the pro and it's just like and culturally like getting into like the way Americans are eating with the pro, and it just like totally affects them,
Starting point is 01:16:46 like all of them get obese. And I don't wanna demonize processed food because by no means does the day go by that I don't have something that's processed. Sure. So I wanna make that clear. But you're aware? Yeah, so I think it's just that,
Starting point is 01:16:58 but a bulk of my food still comes from whole foods. What happened was we went, we came up in a time where we're at one point, we were mostly eating whole foods. What happened was we came up in a time where we're at one point, we were mostly eating whole foods, then processed foods came in, and then it went from being whole foods, a little bit of processed foods, whole foods, then half processed foods, little bit of whole foods,
Starting point is 01:17:16 mostly processed foods too, now all processed foods for a majority of people. And that's where we went really wrong. It's not that you can't have something, because so much is process, our protein powder's process that we talked about today. That's process, right? So there's so many things that are process.
Starting point is 01:17:30 And process foods allow food to be transferred and moved and allows them. And it's fed a lot of people. There's a lot of value to it. But I think you have to be aware. Yeah, you just have to be aware of how much of it and if it's making up a bulk of your day and a bulk of your, your eating it, it should be mostly. Mostly. Right. It needs to be mostly whole foods. And then you, and then you use those
Starting point is 01:17:54 processed foods, I think the occasion when it makes the most sense. It's one of the main reasons why I fear the demonization of meat that we're starting to see in a lot of these documentaries and stuff is because a lot of people aren't gonna go vegan for the right reasons. They're going to just avoid meat. And if you look at the typical person's diet, the typical American's diet, it's mostly processed food,
Starting point is 01:18:17 but the very few things that are on process tend to be what? Chicken, meat, eggs, milk. So then they're gonna be afraid of those things and now you've eliminated all their whole natural food. All processed foods. Now it's 100% processed food. If you look at Europe, for example,
Starting point is 01:18:31 Europe's obesity rates are climbing, right? Starting to match hours. But one country in Western Europe kind of fell behind with the obesity that was Italy. For a long time, it tines had one of the lowest, now it's not like that anymore, the obesity is climbed quite high, or starting to climb pretty high, but they had low obesity rates compared to other countries.
Starting point is 01:18:50 Part of the reason for that is because it tians are, they have a pride in homemade foods, they have a culture around it, so they resisted for a long time the processed food culture. Now, they didn't win. Process food has won. And obesity among a tie-ins now is going through the roof, including children. Sure. But I remember, I remember there was a story, I read a lot, this was maybe 15 years ago where a McDonald's opened in a town in Italy and the Italians protested it, made it shut
Starting point is 01:19:18 down. Because they, they're so like, no, we love our homemade food or whatever. But I actually protected them from obesity for a little while now. Now they're so like, no, we love our homemade food or whatever. But I actually protected them from obesity for a little while now. Now they're climbing, it's a little terrible. And with that, go to mindpumpfreet.com and download all of our resources and guides. They're free. They cost nothing. Mindpumpfreet.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. You can find Justin at Mindpump Justin.
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