Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1236: How Hip Thrusts Rank Compared to Other Compound Lifts, What to Do If You Have Horrible Mobility, Massage Gun Review & More

Episode Date: February 26, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how hip thrusts stack up compared to other compound lifts, what you should do if you have horrible all-round mobility, favorite go-to dishes that they cook at home, and whether massage guns are good for recovery or a just waste of money. Sal’s kerfuffle at the gym. (5:00)  Sal’s honeymoon in Maui. (8:58) Adam living the #dadlife and his new normal when it comes to his fitness. (12:30) Justin is cutting down on the caffeine. (22:30) Why all CBD products are NOT created equal. (27:25) Mind Pump Recommends Babies on Netflix. (31:26) The ‘Influencers in the Wild’ page is blowing up! (40:32) Jay Shetty gets called out, what it means to be authentic & MORE. (42:44) Harvey Weinstein gets convicted. (48:07) #Quah question #1 - From listening to Mind Pump I have learned that compound lifts are essential for building strength and muscle. Do you consider the hip thrust to be in the same category or is it more of an accessory exercise for those seeking to develop their glutes? (51:44) #Quah question #2 - If you have horrible all-round mobility should you focus on one area first and then move on to the next one once that is ok? Or should you do a bit on all the problem areas? (1:00:49) #Quah question #3 - You guys talk about the importance of eating high-quality/healthy food, yet besides Doug, we rarely get to hear what any of you cook at home. What’s your favorite go-to dish that you cook for yourself at home? (1:11:01) #Quah question #4 - Are massage guns good for recovery or a waste of money? (1:23:00)   Related Links/Products Mentioned  February Promotion: MAPS Split ½ off! **Code “SPLIT50” at checkout**  Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Raising An Emotionally Intelligent Child - Book by John Gottman PhD Babies | Netflix Official Site Mind Pump 1235: The 5 Most Overrated Supplements CBD (Cannabidiol) - What is it? Comedian exposes monk Jay Shetty 'A new day': Harvey Weinstein convicted, led away in cuffs How To Do A Barbell Hip Thrust The RIGHT Way! (FIX THIS!!!) - Mind Pump TV Why Your Butt Won't Grow: 3 Exercises to Wake Up Your Sleepy Butt - Mind Pump TV Prime Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products Early Time‐Restricted Feeding Reduces Appetite and Increases Fat Oxidation But Does Not Affect Energy Expenditure in Humans Mind Pump Free Resources   People Mentioned  Jordan Harbinger (@jordanharbinger)  Instagram Tank Sinatra (@influencersinthewild)  Instagram Jay Shetty (@jayshetty)  Instagram  Bret "Glute Guy" Contreras (@bretcontreras1) Instagram Inspiration and Business (@lewishowes)  Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram

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in today's episode of Mind Pumps. I start out by mentioning my kerfuffle at the gym. I made a fool of myself. Kerfuffle. Not the first time, but it's still embarrassing. Then I talked about my trip to Maui with my new wife. We had a good time. Adam talks about the dad life and his lack of fitness.

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Oh, some Shetty stuff. Then I talk about how Weinstein got convicted of third degree rape, piece of shit. Then we got into answering the fitness and health questions. Here's the first question. This person says, look, I've learned that compound lifts are essential for building strength and muscle. So they're talking about lifts like squats and dead lifts

and overhead presses. Then they ask, would you consider the hip thrust to be in the same category? Like, is it as valuable as those exercises? So we discussed the hip thrust and its value in comparison to those other lifts in that part of the episode. Next question, this person says, look, I have horrible all around mobility.

I need to work on my mobility everywhere. Should I focus on one area at a time or should I focus on the whole body as a whole? So we talk about the value and benefits of both strategies. The next question, this person says, you guys talk about the importance of eating healthy and eating high-quality food all the time. What do you guys eat on a regular basis? So we get into our diets. What we like to eat on a regular basis and we talk about their value. That part was boring. Then the final question, this person says, our massage guns good for recovery or are they a waste of money? So we talk about the potential value of massage guns, how to use them properly and if and how, if you use them improperly, they

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Dude, I had an embarrassing moment this morning at the gym. Oh yeah, yeah. Like it's like a total rungs. Something leak out. Total now. You see that right now, that's such a thing right now. What, these funny you brought that you just see. Oh, the leaking of the material.

What, what? No, the, what do you just talk about? I'm talking about them, like, like, you know, showing menstruating, you know, leaks and, you know, stuff like that. Oh, showing it is like a badge of honor. Oh, you're talking about the influencer thing that they're supposed to be.

It's so, they're trying so hard to look authentic that it's bad, you know what I mean? It's like, I should look at shit myself too or something like that or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, it's so, now what were you talking about? That's what I'm talking about. Oh, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

Justin said that and it sparked that because it's still going on right now. I've seen now a handful. Sex when you joke and it's like really happening. Yeah, I know, it sparked that because it's still going on right now. I've seen now a handful. It's like when you joke and it's like really happening. Yeah, I know, it's like ruins it. They're just trying so hard to look authentic that part of the formula is to quote, unquote, embarrass yourself or show that you're something,

something real happened to you. But it doesn't look real because everybody's else is doing it and it kind of seems forced, you know, saying look real because everybody else is doing it and it kind of seems forced, you know what I'm saying? Well, not only that, is it really real for something like that to happen and then you go, wait a second, stop. Hey, you'll get my camera real quick.

That's not real. Right. Yeah, who does that? No, it's funny, you're like, talk about it, but yeah, it looks so staged. Right, that's a good point. So that's totally different. If we were having a conversation, right,

and one of us, Justin, probably most likely to be female, and he brings up like, hey, yesterday I'm at the gym. I had my period, it was totally embarrassing. It like stained my pants, all this, it made a big deal about it, like having a conversation that it happened to you and like admitting it, totally authentic real. That's taking a picture.

Right, but then to stop and go, wait a second, hold on, go get your camera. Let's take a picture, let me show everybody that I too bleed. And I just don't, to me, is just weird. Yeah, again, this is not what happened to you. What happened? No, sorry for the fact that I should have told him. I should have brought it back.

I wasn't trying to pretend to be, actually, in fact, I was trying to be cool. I was actually doing the opposite. So I'm at the gym, and this just so happened, I got recognized. So some lady comes up to me, oh, and I'm at the gym and this just so happened, I got recognized, so some lady comes up to me, oh, and I'm at the end of my workout, I'm doing arms or whatever. This lady's like, oh my God, I love your podcast,

it's so great or whatever, I'm all thinking, so now I'm aware that there's people in the gym watching what are, so I go to add more weight because that's what you do when you're trying to, they know me here, I have one. I don't wanna know. Yeah, I was doing my heavy stuff, I'm like, oh, don't worry, you didn't interrupt here. I was doing my heavy semi. Oh, don't worry. You didn't interrupt me. I was just

warming up. I'm gonna add more weight. I say, so what I did was I had the tricep V bar on the push down machine, because I was finishing my workout and you're maxing out on tricep push up. Hey, naturally, the stack only goes to 200. But anyway, super newbie like rookie mistake, I should know better. But what happens when you have a tricep press down machine and you pull the pin out, what happens? Yeah, the tricep bar comes down, slap the head.

Exactly. Exactly. You let that happen to you. I pull it out and it's Look around like hey That's happened everybody at least once everybody saw it. Yeah, it shouldn't happen now though. I've been Yeah, I've had a close calls right like when you're in a new gym and there's like a bar that you're not sure because if it's If it's a real weight, yeah If it's aluminum or it's plastic or it's a rope or that it's not heavy enough to burn because it's 15 pounds right 15 pounds is the lightest I think or the five pounds five or

15 pounds yeah five or 15 pounds is normally the lightest plate on those cable machines. So as long as the bar is lighter than that that doesn't happen but sometimes it's just a little bit heavier than yeah you know what happens you know what happens is cuz I felt like now I'm being watched Which then made me you know totally awkward, you know far more than normal. I should say it's someone's watching me Bing hit me right in the head and everybody it is tough just to do your normal thing Yeah, it was so stupid. Yeah, anyway, dude. Hey, I had a great time and I want to know how was you guys this week? The last week because I was on vacation Well, we were all in different places right to Doug Doug was up in Seattle, you were over in Hawaii,

Justin was at home, yeah. That's the most part. And then I went up to Tahoe, the last part of the week at least. Oh, how was the weather up there right now? It was all right. It was like 60 degrees, and most of the snow had already melted away.

Oh, yeah. So it's like already kind of like, you know, moving into spring. How was the ride though? You rode, so they make snow at North Star. So how was that? We actually had a really good time. Yeah, the kids went in again, got like lessons for skiing

and they did really good this time. And I was glad because last time they even take them on the lifts or anything. And so this time they actually took them on all the runs and they got to a point where they could actually like, turn without doing the whole pizza thing. Oh really? Yeah. So they were actually like without doing the whole pizza thing. Oh really? Yeah.

So they were actually, I guess, moved into level three or something. So we're going to start taking them next season with us. So yeah, that goes. That's cool. So I went snorkeling up in Maui by the way. What a great, I was there when I was a kid, didn't really remember it. So I had never been there as an adult, just went there recently. Beautiful island. I mean, it's so crazy to know that a place like Hawaii is a part of America. It's like a tropical,

it's just so different and so amazing. But anyway, we went snorkeling. How was it? That's an athletic endeavor for you. So I'm going to be honest with you guys. I get anxious on boats in the middle of the ocean. And as swimming is not, I'm not the best swimmer. You're floating on here. They gave me a couple of what are they called, noodles? Yeah, noodles, the hold on, noodles, the craddle. So anyway, the weather was super windy out there in Maui. So I'm like, oh man, I want to time this

so that it's not super windy because I don't want to be on choppy. I get motion sickness and all that stuff. Anyway, it's just still happened. We booked the boat. Yeah. Hello, windy. So I took some drama mean.

You guys ever take drama mean before? Yeah. Oh, it's great sleeping product. Yeah. So I take drama mean. And what I have to do is I have to get on the highest point of the boat and I have to look straight ahead the whole time. So people are trying to talk to me and I'm sure they think I'm an asshole

because I'm just looking straight ahead. Just focusing. Super choppy, super windy, start getting a little bit nauseous, but I'm okay. And then we go snorkeling. And dude, dude, I saw a turtle that was like, the size of a dog, just swimming around you, which is kind of a-

A dog turtle. Yeah, it was a big, it was a pretty big turtle. It's actually me. It's me. Wow. I miss me. Wow. I miss you. Dude, when you're in that open water and you see a turtle that size, it's that's a little intimidating.

You know, because you figured it's a bite, you could ride it, dude. You could bite a little chunk at it, you know. Yeah. Then we saw some, you know, some whales on the way over there, which was, which was kind of cool. I got a little bit, you know, motion sickness that lasted the whole day, but super awesome out there. So it's so nice. Got hammered a few times, eight terribly,

which is always a good time. But anyway, enjoy myself. Did you left at all? I did. I lifted almost every single day. Wow. Good for you. So the way I work out when I'm on vacation, very different the way I work out when I'm home, I'm not doing my heavy, you know, intense workouts.

I go to the hotel gym and I do 30 minutes every single day and just kind of touch every body part, get a little bit of a pump. I expect I'm not gonna get a great workout, but it does, it's good. It keeps me in the loop. I feel good. I enjoy working out weird, different, you know,

environments or whatever, and a hotel gym typically is that. So I had a good time with that, and Jessica and I had a blast, so it was really good. How about you Adam, you were hanging out with the... I wasn't, oh yeah, I went out to Truckee, so we went out to the house, and we had the staff with us,

so half the staff, I should say, we didn't have the whole staff, but I had a handful of the employees with us, and I got to take them up there for the first time. That was really cool. It's a good time, good bonding time for all of us. We worked, had some dinner together, kind of cooked together throughout the afternoon, like just a good time, a good time to get out of the studio and hear, you know, sometimes

it's nice to just go and change the scenery where we're all working. So I think- I thought you posted videos of you and your boy and how's the dad stuff going on. Yeah, you know, it's the workout things a little rough right now. That's the challenge for me more than it's ever been. You know, I went yesterday, right? So I'm like, I want to make it clear. Like, working out, having a hard time working out for me means that there's times where I'm maybe only getting

once or twice in a week, which is really bad for me, it's still better than not doing anything at all, right? But I'm used to training five to seven days a week. I'm used to training like how you are, where it's just like I rarely miss, like even on vacation. And what I find myself doing now is, even when I went to yesterday, I come up to get you, I ask her,

do you mind if I go work out? I never did that before. So that's a new behavior that I now have because I have this guilt when I go sometimes. It's really, because I know that she's working, just as much as I'm working, and then she carries more of the load with Max Forscher. And so, when I find that hour or two hour time

when okay, he's down or there's a possibility I can go work out, I really wanna go. And I look at her and you know. You ask permission. Yeah, and I ask permission, which it never happened for. Right, if that was just seven months ago Yeah, if I want to go work out I go fucking work out

You know, I'm asking I do what I want. Yes, right See me at five. Yeah, then they have a baby. I'm a please. Yes Feel like I need to work and you know, and I'm sure there's some guys out there like what a pussy It's not it's not even to the same thing. It's not even that. It's like, I just, No, you're being, you're being a good man. I feel guilty because I know she wants to work out

just as bad as I want. Yeah, you're being considerate. Right. And I know that she's probably really tired from a long day. He's finally down. And of course, I'm like, oh, she gets her little break now. Now I'm gonna go.

And he's gonna be up in less than a half hour, an hour and back at doing his thing. And so I find myself asking to go work out. And that's tough, because there's sometimes where she's like, no, you know, she's like, I could really use your help to when Max wakes up, watch him, so I can get the laundry done and I could do this

and I could do that. How the fuck do I say no to that? You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't be like, we ran out of detergent, I'll be back in an hour. Exactly. Why are you sweaty? I ran to the grocery store.

So, you know, a lot of that is, you know, now and because of that, again, there's been, this has happened multiple times in my life for major things have happened. And this is a good conversation actually that we went this direction because I think this happens to a lot of people, whether it be a kid, a changing of a job, an injury, something that happens tragically in your things happen in our life. And you know, it radically changes your activity level.

And the priorities have to change a little bit. Right. And now, the thing that luckily I've been doing this for a really long time, I know that when those, I'm very aware when those things happen, and I also have to radically change the way I eat, because being a six foot, three, 225 pound guy, me moving a lot and exercising every single day burns a lot of calories.

And me, sedentary not moving a lot, not exercising single day, burns a lot of calories. And me, sedentary, not moving a lot, not exercising. Big difference. Big difference. You're talking about thousands of calories of a difference. Not like, oh, I just can't have that extra cheese on this. Or, I mean, I gotta cut meals out, like multiple meals out or radically reduce the caloric intake. And you gotta think that this happens to people

a lot in their lives. The problem is I doubt very few people are aware enough of it that they really radically change their time, or they're aware, they're not just, they're not as aware of how much of a dramatic difference it could potentially make. When you're not sitting a signal for your body to adapt and build muscle and you're not doing that movement, it's more than just the calorie out thing. It's not just, oh, a workout would have burned an extra 500 calories for me.

It's a metabolism slower. Yes. And it starts working against you. Yeah. So, you know, that's been quite the adjustment for me right now is. It's just the season, you know. There's different seasons in your life and some of them. And, you know, I'm listening to this another book by Dr. John Gottman. This one is about having a baby, right? So it's about, you know, what happens to a family and a couple when they have a baby

and whatever the first book was phenomenal. That's the seven rules, I think it was called for a successful marriage or something like that. And what he talks about, he talks about couples that fail when they have a kid versus couples that succeed when he has a kid. He calls them masters versus disasters. And he talks about statistics on how divorce rates spike

for a lot of people after they have a child, but for those that don't, they get closer than ever before. And he says, what is one of the big differences? What are the big differences? So he highlights some of the big differences and talks about what the masters do, what they do that's right. And one of the main things that they do is they accept that life is going to be different. The ones that, that, that don't do well are the ones that just can't accept it. So if you're like a six day a week

in the gym and I have all these perfect meals and my house is always clean and organized and everything's the way. And then you have a kid or something happens in your life. And you don't accept that it's just life is just different now. You're constantly fighting reality. And that's a shitty place to be. It's interesting like that. All those things are controls. You know, like I went through that whole thing of like,

I want everything to be organized this way. And I want my house to be clean. I want they're going to be playing over here. Then this is going gonna happen right here, and none of that should happen. You know, you realize later, like, oh, I have to roll with all this. Yeah, and I have to be able to, you know,

find a way to then, you know, sort of steer it, steer it in a way where I want it to go, but it's like, at the same time, you have to, you have to kind of release, release that, that tendency that you have to, to one of, you know, like put your hands all in everything. Oh, what, I mean, it makes such a huge difference. Living in resistance to the reality of what your life is,

that's like, you're just fighting every single day. Like this sucks, this sucks. Or you could be like, this is life now, that's how to adapt, and let me accept it. And that's a big one. An exercise, wonderful thing about exercising nutrition, which I'm, you know, what you're talking about, is it's modifiable.

Well, you can make it work around. Well, a good example of that is, you know, what some of my exercise looks like right now is, you know, two days before my lift, I actually got a lift, like I said yesterday, two days before that, you know, I wasn't gonna to get away. So, we took the baby and the stroller and Katrina and I went down to the basketball court and we played ball for them.

That's great. You know what I'm saying? I got my movement. Did you like watching you guys? Yeah, of course I got. You know I'm going to be doing that all the time, right? I'm not going to force it down as through, but he's going to see a lot of it. You know what I'm saying?

Even my friends can't skew. Even can to your friends, right? Every time. It's going to condition him a little bit. I'm not gonna force it down as throw, but he's gonna see a lot of it. You know what I'm saying? Even my fingers can't squeeze. Give him candy or french fries every time. He's gonna condition him a little bit. I don't know why I love basketball so much. It tastes good. But I mean, those are the things that, you know, or we'll go out and we will, we'll take a nice long walk.

They're hiking, we're carrying him, we're pushing him in the stroller. And so, you know, I've just had to be okay with that. You know, I'm not in my primo buff guy shape right now. And it's like, what I have to do is be okay with that. I'm not in my primo buff guy shape right now, and it's like, what I have to do is be okay with, okay, sometimes I'm gonna be able to get a great lift in, that's awesome, sometimes I won't. I'll find ways to create activity and do things,

I'll modify my diet when I'm not doing that. So it was, it was a little bit of a, like I said, asking Katrina for permission to go work out was a completely foreign thing to me. And then it only started happening recently, because I did. I noticed that there was a little bit of push and pull because she wants to work out too. You know, she's a, she's not quite a fitness fanatic as we are, but she's a lifetime athlete. Yeah, she's very consistent with her lifting and she, of course, has not been able to do that. She just got done, you know,

going through a pregnancy and her body morphing and changing. So I can't imagine what, you know, her body image issues that have to be going circling around in her own brain and wanting to dress that and lift. And so, you know, I know she's got all that stuff going on. That's a big one. I've worked with female trainers that've gotten pregnant.

And I, there was a really distinct line between the ones that could not accept that their bodies were going to change, and the ones that were accepting of it. What a difference in their experience. The ones that really, and if trainers are a good example because we've said this a million times on the show, people who work in fitness, the percentage of us who've dealt with body image issues is just very high.

It's usually, typically what motivates somebody to get into fitness is solving that problem for themselves. I think this is true for most professions. The person who's in it, they probably are dealing with that stuff themselves or have in the past. I've worked with female trainers, got pregnant, had body image issues, did not accept the fact, or couldn't accept that their bodies were changing and that they couldn't just do what they did before.

Really, really rough. And then I worked with female trainers who've gotten pregnant and have accepted, like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm nauseous in the morning and my typical healthy paleo-brechfast makes me want a puke. And instead, it's a piece of white toast and some Cheerios that I can just only think I can get down and accept that, you know, and it makes a piece of white toast and some Cheerios that I can just only think I can get down and I accept that, you know, it makes a huge difference.

You guys have been proud of me the last week. I dropped it down to cup zero and that's it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, this is a whole week. Let me get to straight. Wow. It's been like years. One cup of coffee a day.

One cup, dude. Yeah, I tried to keep it to that like the whole week and stick with it. It was rough. Do you have a memory of last week? I was gonna say, do you have a memory of last week? The first two day, Monday and Tuesday, I was like throbbing headache and,

oh wow. Just chugging water and that helped a lot. So at one point, I was even taking some motoring and everything, because it was just like, I mean, I was up there. You guys saw what I was putting down. There's no problem there. You know?

Yeah, no addiction. I'm not a denial You guys saw what I was putting down. There's no problem there. You know? No addiction. I'm not a denial. I knew what was in front of me. You know, I had to address this. I didn't want to. Now, when did it start getting better towards the end or how long did it take for you to? Yeah, no, it did.

After the first two days, I felt like I was on one cup and then was just like, I had a little bit of a twinge and then I just kept going. I powered through it and then I didn't even feel it like Wednesday through, you know, today. So. Oh, right. How long you stick into one cup for?

I'm gonna stick with it for probably a few weeks, maybe like two more weeks and then start, you know, ramping it up again. Now, do you think there's any value of using like something like CBD to like for the transition to that cell? Yeah, I was just gonna to mention that, probably. Oh really? Yeah, because CBD and cannabino actually have a story around that.

CBD and cannabinoids have that effect on the body of alleviating, anxiety, kind of giving you a better feeling. One of the hallmarks of caffeine withdrawal is irritability and just pain a lot of people don't realize this but caffeine is a Pain killer and is a natural is it really it is a pain killer and a natural antidepressant So they'll do studies will to give them a sederant Yeah, so if so a lot of stimulants are so like if you they've done studies will give people caffeine and then they do these Pain tests where people have to keep their hand freezing water and see how long they can keep it in there.

And caffeine improves performance. It raises your pain tolerance. So when you go off of it, people tend to feel more pain, feel anxiety and feel a little bit depressed. So CBD or what? Well, I had been doing that before bed, and I was getting great sleep anyways, like throughout the week with that.

But actually, that was one of the biggest things I noticed when I would go to sleep. I got deeper sleep, you know, obviously, because I was cutting the stimulants down. So isn't that crazy though, how like the withdrawal from caffeine, something that everybody has so nasty? It sucks.

It's terrible. It's a terrible. It's a deterrent for sure. I think very few people even do it though. I think very few people actually wing themselves off. You just accept that it's become so part of our culture. I mean, I'm just as guilty. I was texting back and forth with Harbinger this weekend and I'm like, hey, let's meet for coffee.

I mean, that's just what you do, right? It's like, well, why coffee? Why don't we meet for lunch? It needs to be in my office when I work for myself. Yeah, I was like, I go to coffee shop. It's just become a part of our life that that's what we do is like, you meet and you have coffee or you start your day with coffee.

It's just, I don't think very many people even care to try and see like, oh, and we know there's been enough research out there for, you know, that amount of milligrams is positive, right? There's not a lot of negatives that have ever been published about taking caffeine and consistently low to moderately low doses. In fact, there's more positive stuff that came out in regards to what the study and research say about caffeine. So who the fuck is trying to get off of it? Nobody's trying to get off of it. But I think now you are starting to hear more people

talk about how it can hinder weight loss. And I think that's the part when you're somebody who, and we mentioned this on the recent episode that we just did about supplements, where I see it the biggest problem, where it is in the clients that we're trying to lose body fat and where cortisol junkies, they are doing the F45, the orange theory type, high intensity crossfit type stuff,

and they're pound in four or five energy drinks or four or five coffees a day. And those are the people I think that are the ones that are greatestly affected. Totally, and then don't forget the psychological impact of feeling like you're tied or chained to something. So, and I would see this quite clearly with clients, whether it be wine or whether it be coffee. If I mentioned to a person, hey, let's try eliminating your morning cup of coffee. Oh no. Can't do that. I can't do that. Yeah. Or no, my glass of wine, everyone.

If you have that reaction with anything, there's anything in your life that you're consuming, that if just the thought of removing it is like, no, that's not gonna happen. There's a psychological dependency. Yes, check yourself. Yes, which is typically not a good thing. You don't wanna necessarily be attached or chained

to anything, but back to CBD. So I got a story for you guys, right? So you guys know that I tend to take everything people send to us. Yeah, yeah. So we get a lot of products. You almost took a pill this morning that was on the ground.

Yeah, I do, you share that. I wonder if the cameras were rolling yet. Well, the cameras were rolling, so good. Yep, but that dug or no, they were. I don't think so. It was like, I can't hear something. Yeah, it could have been. They'd leave it to a Chris in mind,

Puppet Studio, there's pills that are like laying out sometimes. And Salis just reaches over and just grabs it. And I'm watching this. He doesn't, I don't think he realized I'm watching. It's just a pill on the floor. I don't think he realizes I'm watching. Then I watch him pick it up.

And he looks at it. And he starts to make the move to put in his mouth. And he kind of like stops. And then he kind of is examining it to see what it is. Oh, wait a minute, what is this? Yeah, then he sets it down and goes like, I don't think that was mine. Bro, you were about to just throw that in your mouth

and you didn't even know what it was. I thought maybe I dropped it or something. You know, that's the supplement. And then I like, wait a minute, this might be something else. Not anyway, so people send us stuff all the time to try. And we get CBD products sent to us on a pretty regular basis. So I had one sent to me and for whatever reason, I packed supplements when I go on trips

and I actually didn't even think about it. I packed this brand, I wanna mention it because I can work with them or whatever, plus I don't like the product. I pack it and so now I'm in Maui and at Nyeye we're going out having a good time and I like to use you know our sponsor Ned and in the evening didn't have it with me saw this other product and it was CBD it was a CBD

product so it wasn't full spectrum boy I had to use a way more a way higher dose of it than I do with the Ned and it's simply because it had only CBD in it. It didn't have the other cannabinoids. What a difference. It was a huge, yeah, because when you take CBD with other cannabinoids, the effects you get are amplified, and I had to take a way higher dose of this other stuff just to get the same, or close to it,

it still wasn't the same effect, because what I get from the net is that, after about an hour, you get that real calm, relaxing feeling. I took like three doses of the Southern one, waited an hour, I'm like, I don't really feel anything. Taking another three doses, waited an hour, maybe I feel a little bit, I was like, holy cow, this bottle will last me three doses

at that high of a amount, or whatever. I got a phone call from my mom day day before yesterday, and she calls me up, and she's like, hey, I said, I really want to try some CBD, and I'm like, what? I'm like, what the hell? I was like, really? What makes you want to do that? She goes, well, I was reading Sal's blog.

I was like, I didn't even know she was following it in the first place, yeah. I was like, oh, that's really cool. I was like, that's right, He just wrote a CVD plug. I thought that was hilarious. I'm like, my mom, you know, I'm saying like very little that she pay attention to the show or anything like that at all. I know her husband listens to the show on a more regular basis,

but to have her reach out and ask about CBD, I thought that was really funny. I was like, that was totally in left field until I realized like, oh shit, Sal just wrote a blog. Oh, good, let's good. But I guess she's reading your stuff. That's funny. I told you guys, I got my mom to start taking some CBD and like even, you know, recently, because she suffers from arthritis and like all kinds of different pain and

stuff. She's just tired of taking not like all these NSAIDs and everything else all the time to cope with it. So, you know, trying it out and, you know, so far it's working, you know, good for her on some level, but I guess to sleep at night, she started ramping it up and started taking, like, the little 5 milligram THC, like chocolate balls. No way! My mom's like, like, eating wheat?

Wait, wait, wait, this is tripping me out, dude. Where did she get it from? Did she get it from the stomach? Like, no, one of her friends, like, gave it to her. And so she's like, asking me about it. I'm like, wait a second, like you just ate weed. Like, let's celebrate. Oh my God. I'm so conservative. You have no, you know, it makes me, you know what I think of? I wonder if she thought to herself like, how do I tell my son? Oh my dad threw it at the bus. I was like, oh, you tell her what you're doing.

Like, hold on a second, Adam. I're doing it like all the kiddos secondarily. Adam, I wanted to bring up that show you told me to watch on Netflix. Oh, the babies. Babies. Yes. You watched it, please tell me. So I watched, I was in and out because it had to do work,

but I caught some of the first episode in the decent chunk of the second episode. First episode, okay. Second episode was probably the most I've gone through, I think six I'm on now. I'm on speed, so it's cool. They break up each episode in like a topic, right? So it's like breast milk, speech, crawling, walking,

talking, they're, it's really cool. It's crazy what we're starting to learn. The breast milk. The breast milk thing blew me away. I sent it to all my friends and we'll see what happens. I was gonna watch it, but I was also trying to get laid. Well, so, I was like, no. And I was watching a show on Baby.

This is gonna kill us. So, we know, obviously, we know a lot already about breast milk, right? And what I liked about this documentary, right, was because all documentaries are biased, right? I mean, I don't give a fuck what it is. If it's on anything, and even, you'll see sales you go through more.

There's like, there's some things where they reach a little bit because they have kind of an overarching kind of theme that they're trying to present. So by no means do I think it's a flawless documentary, although it did reveal some really interesting things. And one of the things that I found most interesting was how the research they've done on breast milk and how it's constantly altering and change up. And it's different if you have a boy or a girl.

So like the breast milk knows that you had a little boy and it changes the iron levels It has a little girl it changes it changes the chemistry of females skeletal structure Matures faster than a boys and so the milk is produced to help that process happen with a little girl breast milk is different if it's in the morning afternoon or evening if the and there's this there's in the morning, afternoon, or evening, and there's always the body of the mom and the body of the baby when their breastfeeding are constantly communicating. Totally. One of them gets sick, it all turns and changes.

If the baby is sick, so check this out. If the baby is sick and it breast feeds, it sends a signal to the mother's body to produce immune boosting compounds and things that help the baby's body fight. This is specific infection because they'll change depending on the infection. So she'll get the signal, the body will produce it in the milk and give it to the baby. It's crazy. It's hard to think if like, you know, formula could ever, you know, reproduce that.

No, you would have to have in order for formula, because I thought about that, I'm watching this, I'm like, wow. Like how many different versions, like, would you have to create? You would have to have something that would continuously monitor the baby on an ongoing basis and create the formula as we get the readings

from the child. That's our smart to human body. And that's just the stuff that we know of. That's the thing that I trip out on right there, what you just said is that this is what we know. What the fuck do we not know still in this? How about this? Wait till you get to the crawling one,

this blew my mind. So up until recently, we believe that crawling is a learned behavior, right? I mean, did you guys know, I mean, that's what I always thought that it was, you know, I mean, that's what I always thought. That it was, you know, you, like, they watch somebody do that. Yeah, they watch and then you begin to start to make strides. You take, you stretch things out from the kid and he starts to put that together.

No, it's innate in us. Yeah, it's the way they, the way they prove this, they took one year old, two year old babies. They created this and they said it's a said it has to do more with visual. So they created this, so you go left right. So they created this like, I don't know what the fuck I want to call it, a track and it has this running lights and it looks like almost like all these dots on it. So it's moving. And if you hover a baby over it, and they'd hold this like, you know, one day old baby over the top of it, and the baby would see it and think it's moving

and all sudden start automatically start doing crawling patterns. And then they started to take them, and they created this like skateboard thing for newborns. They stay up, I mean, obviously it's a newborns that like strap up, strap them in everything. And they put that running light underneath them and then they fucking crawl across the floor.

It's wild to see a one day old baby shot out, all of a sudden crawling across the floor. They just don't have the strength yet, they haven't got enough nutrition and enough food and enough strength. It's just like when a horse is born and it picks in and starts to walk, you know, right after birth, it's just we get them, they could in their DNA. Yeah, it's just we give birth to a fetus essentially,

because if we, the reason why humans don't give birth to humans that are capable of doing that, that would be too big to exit the womb. Well, I've heard too, like if you skip this, so there's kids that go from that just straight to cruising or walking, yeah, where they have developed mental problems later in terms of learning. So they address that, they talk about that. They're, you know, everyone's different like how they learn, like so that some kids will sit up and then stand on something and then, and they actually

kind of debunked what you just said. Yeah, that's I figured it. That was old-wise. It was, it was kind of this old theory that it was necessary that you learn how to crawl for your, for learning capabilities down the road, like, and, and they debunked that. But they did get into, they got into speech and the importance of how you communicate and how keeping the kids around and other people that are communicating and talking to them, how important they do this whole test

on learning, we don't think about this, but how crazy is it that a newborn brain figures out speech? Like, if you tried to learn a language right now, you're a grown-ass intelligent man, and you try and teach yourself Chinese right now. You know, a fucking hard that is. So how crazy is that that a newborn

who's never heard anything before somehow distinguishes language. And so what they theorized was, it's actually like the tones of it that they learned to break up. And they did all these studies to show how a baby starts to break up sounds and how they all separate together

to finally put those together in words and then connect it to things. And it was fucking fascinating. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I think in the first one, then they talk about when we started to learn that babies want comfort versus maybe it was in the book that I was listening to comfort versus because the old theory

was that the reason why a baby was tied to its mom was for food because she provided the baby with milk. Then there's this famous study that was done where they took baby chimps and they gave it the option to, first they constructed this wire mesh mom chimp with a bottle for the nipple, but it was just a wire mesh. Then they constructed this fur, this nice feeling kind of, the nice, dealing soft one that would hug the baby. And the baby would drink the milk and then go to the one to get hugged.

And so they started realizing like, oh, it's the comfort, it's the love and the touch that they really seek out. The food isn't why they're connected to mom or what. That must be your book, that I don't think that was in the book then. Oh yeah, yeah, that's interesting. But it is interesting about, and you know, again, this is in another book I was reading, breast milk, do you know that babies, they're showing studies that children receive benefits

from breast milk up until they're five? Yes. You're so old. Yes. Now, that doesn't mean that they just let's not go that path, you know, like game of thrones where it's got. She's still breastfeeding the skin.

Hey, the truth of that though, it's like standing up. Hey, the truth of that is though thinking way back evolutionary, it makes sense that you would come back then, mate. You would probably feed your kid on the breast for as long as you could because it's food right there. You've got to go hunt it, you're going to get to gather it.

So you probably would take advantage of that for quite some time. It's a plain demand too, as long as there's suckling going on, the body would be... You want to go skateboarding and hoist like a mom, can I have a drink? Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

I feel like if the kid can remember. Yeah, I do. You've waited too long. No, I just don't want to have that memory. You know, imagine I now have to remember being breastfed by your mom. Ah! I'll never be the same. But what they talk about in this other book is that

they, it's not that you exclusively breastfeed your child when they're three and four, it's that they have some that's supplemental to, I have a family member that's breastfeeding her kid three years old. So do I? Yeah, walks up to mom pulls a boob out. Well, she's, well, she's done now because she's 10 now.

By the way, she's healthy as shit, man. Oh, because she was breastfed until she was, until she was three, she walk over and pull the boob right out. Oh, yeah. Everyone and everyone in the family was like, what the fuck? It's crazy. But I'm not gonna lie, dude, I look at her. She's beautiful. She's fucking smart.

And she's, she's, she's, she's,. Oh, she's super. They get teeth her way earlier. That's true. Anyway, dude. I was you know that's that page on Instagram influencers. Oh, I love that. It's so good. It blew up so fast, right? It did. It was like when we talked about it. It had I did 10,000 followers. Yeah. It's in the millions now. It's in the millions. So you know what I was thinking? So I was, here I am in Maui with Jessica and of course I'm gonna have, we're taking selfies and I couldn't help but think, God, I wonder if somebody-

It's gonna be you. Dude, that's how I sit now. Like, yeah, of course, he's taking a picture of me and I'm like, here we go, let's do a little influencer in a while, that's- So what I thought to myself was, that page is gonna backfire.

So I first that page is to make fun of influencers, but now that that page has so much influence, I can imagine influencers staging, shitty, whatever poses so that that page shares them. Tell me if that a brilliant way to get yourself, who's gonna be able to distinguish, you know, that whether it's authentic or not. I thought about it, I almost,

because I was talking to Jessica, I said, I wonder if you film me filming myself and I'll trip or do something stupid and then you send it to influence with the wild. Oh, the post, if it's funny. And millions of people will see it. Yeah, the truth is though, how many people, look at those are mocking all those people.

So how many people see the guy who trips, who's filming himself goes, Hey, I want to fold that into you. Yeah. So it's not, as it really a value for you to get seen on a page with a million followers? Are you really going to gain that? I don't know.

I found it interesting because I was just like, in my neck of the woods down near Santa Cruz where the lighthouse was, and this is a perfect spot to capture all these people. You just sit there long enough and sure enough, there's going to be influencer type, you know like teenage You know girls or whatever like pretending to be models, you know shit I'm like oh my god, you know all you have to do is go to like some kind of landmark somewhere

You know and you're gonna you're gonna get this like any kind of like you know theme park or anything. Oh shit It's in the mall now dude. I was in the mall just like last week and shopping to there And you said the look for there like groups of girls doing the the TikTok stuff You know because it's all to music and dancing and so like that and like right in the middle like the the macy's makeup area I'm like what the fuck? So weird. No shame. Wait, what's weird is that it's that it's okay. It's normal. It's become so That and then I do parkour. Did you guys see? The video I forget the name of the girl,

she called out Jay Shetty. Oh, yes. That was a fire video, man. Wow. I didn't realize he was that fake. I didn't know him very well. I knew who he was. Just verbatim, like, ripped off.

He's got like four, four, five million followers. So apparently, so what she does in the video, and she does it very well, is she takes all of his quotes and his posts, and then she shows how those quotes and posts were up on other people's pages, where other people wait before. Weets, other like blog, other speeches, like literally to the line. And it was verbatim. He would literally plagiarize them verbatim and act as if, never give credit and act as if. And he's a, he's one of those inspirational,

quote unquote motivational people. And he gets credit for a lot of stuff that he copied. I mean, if he was a comedian, he would get destroyed. Well, she referred to him as the Carlos Mencia. Yeah, of, of, of combination who is, who is known for that. Who who's stealing everybody's jokes and then and then doing that So it's not it's a tried and tested thing for sure that people do this if you I mean here's a thing He's an actor. He does a good job acting and people like it a phenomenal job

I didn't catch on to it. I've seen his stuff before and I think oh, that's cool No, oh, that was Tony Robbins who originally said that I didn't know that. Yeah, well, this is a famous author. I mean, to his credit, he does an incredible job of plagiarizing it like it's his own. I mean, he can, he presents it well. Yeah, he, you see him presenting, you know, three or four other people's quotes in one, in one conversation.

He goes on a rant for like two minutes. All it is is a series of other people's quotes that he's... Isn't it a matter of time though? You know, it's like you got that as your formula to keep spewing all that stuff out. Like, you're gonna get caught. Like there's no way like in this day. In real life.

And we talk about this. We talk about, I mean, I smell it out as soon as we meet somebody. Like we get an opportunity to meet a lot of people that are quote unquote fucking famous or whatever because they're popular on Instagram or whatever. And, you know, you can, it's really clear, really quick, who the authentic real ones are that you meet them. They have to have that charisma about them.

You meet them and they're just like, they got this energy, you're drawn to them, we like them right away. You know what you do, you take them off script and you can tell real quick. You just try and take them off script and they go right back they got this energy, you're drawn to them, we like them right away. You know what you do, you take them off script, and you can tell real quick, you're just trying to take them off script, and they go right back to what they know. Oh yeah, yeah.

I, the scripting guys don't like when you interrupt them. Yeah, quote, quote, quote, quote, so I always do it purposely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that ruined your cadence. It's so, it's so annoying.

And people don't like to be fooled. Like, let's say you listen to Jay Shetty, and he really motivates you and inspires you. And then you find out that he plagiarized other people. You, because you felt moved initially, it almost feels hurtful. Now the reality and the truth is, it inspired you and motivated you,

regardless of whether or not it was his or not. So really you should just be like, oh cool, that worked for me. But when somebody touches you and then you find out that they're not real, it's almost like you take it personal, you know? Well, I find it. Yeah, bamboozled. I don't know.

I don't know if I had to throw a number at it. I'd say it's 50-50. I feel like it's a 50-50 shot when I'm about to meet somebody. Like we meet somebody who's coming on the show. There's supposed to be this, you know, a big famous person or whatever. And, you know, a lot of times we're wrong.

Like there's been many times where I think somebody's gonna be super fake, we meet them and they're fucking rad. There's many times where I think someone's gonna be super rad, we meet them and I'm like, oh my God, they're super fake. It's just this, we're in a time now where you can, you can plagiarize people like that and get away with it or create an image that you want to present and become famous for it and

not really be that person. But here's the thing and why I don't really care that much and why it doesn't, like some people get really angry about that stuff and it pisses them off and it frustrates them, that has to be a miserable life inside. You know, you may enjoy the millions of dollars that you make initially because you got famous or whatever, but eventually that shit wears on you. Yeah, eventually. If you imagine being fake all the time, like, who are you? That's got to be a terrible point. It's not who you are. And we've seen this.

There's people that have got that millions of followers and they've got unbelievable anxiety, and they're miserable and they're depressed and they're making all this money and they've got unbelievable anxiety and they're miserable and they're depressed and they're making all this money and they're famous on social media, but then behind the scenes, they're absolutely miserable. Well, imagine getting love from people. You get lots of love from people, but you know that what they're loving isn't you. That's got to make you feel absolutely terrible. Yeah, and maybe not while it's working,

because I'm sure I could get a thrill out of like the idea of building something, like building the business. At some point, though, it'll be trying to become that person. Yeah, you know, you're trying to own it. And then eventually you do, you just feel, and the irony of all this too is like the message, and we called this fucking long time ago, which is why we fucking trademarked Stay Authentic,

because we knew it was gonna become a popular thing to say that you are. It's one thing to be authentic. It's another thing to try and present it in such a fake ass way, which is what I think we're seeing more and more as people are like, okay, authenticity is the message. How do I present authenticity?

They try and bring it up. Look at my messy hair. Yeah, for something like that. Yeah, well. Hey, so this just came out as of the recording of this podcast, I wanna bring it up on the podcast real quick. Harvey Weinstein found guilty of rape,

third degree rape, acquitted of top criminal charges but still found guilty of third degree rape. So he got, he got it. How long has he been? Yeah, what's his name? It doesn't say so far, but I don't know. I don't know, but the top, what we call the top criminal charges, he got acquitted of those came with life sentences.

So he skipped, he missed out on that, but he's probably definitely going to get some, some jail time. So he faces a sentence, oh here you go, it came out, he faces a sentence of five to 25 years on the top count. So anywhere between five to 25 years on the top count. So anywhere between five to 25 years, and jail he can get. Five is nothing. He got off light. If you get nailed for five, you do three to four, dude.

Yeah. You know what's stupid to me? This just makes no sense to me. That if he got caught with, if he was in a state with minimal charges for drug possession, that's what cocaine, he would go to jail for life, but getting guilty of rape, even if it's a third degree, so third degree rape, you know what that means? No.

It means that the person was incapable of giving consent when he had sex with them. So it's not like, first degree rape is like, you're physically overtaking it. But it could mean that they're kind of inebriated or that they can't really give you consent. So it's still disgusting, right? Five to 25 years, I'm sorry.

If you commit violence against someone. And he's when they say five to 25, they always give. Especially when you got money. And you're getting far more fines on them and you get less sentence. Now here's the thing, I don't know, because they made a big deal out of them and because he largely was what drove the Me Too movement, they may try to make an example of them, which

is I hope what ends up happening. I hope they make an example of them and send a message to all these people in Hollywood that listen, you fuck around like this, your ass is going to jail for a long time. Well, we should do an over under bet right now. I think he gets under fucking seven. You think you get seven? Yeah, you're probably right. Not only do I think he gets under seven,

but then I think he serves half of that. So, I mean, the time that he'll probably do for that, it's really on for, and it's disgusting. The part that I don't like is exactly what you said is that we're putting people in jail, and even the fucking filthiest drug dealer who's carrying around fucking kilos of cocaine, like he's dealing to people that want it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, to me, that is way less offensive than somebody, than somebody drugging somebody and raping them. Like, how are those even in the same fucking universe? It doesn't make no sense to me. I remember when, maybe 10 years ago, when the legalizing marijuana movement was really big, they would bring up cases just to show how ridiculous things were. And they showed this man that was growing marijuana.

He had, I don't know how many plants he had. He was growing marijuana, life sentence, and then they compared him to a man that got, that got was guilty of child molestation. Like terrible, I don't even go to the details of it. And I got five years. It just makes no fucking sense to me. If you're violent against another human being,

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Would you consider the hip thrust to be in the same category? Or is it more of an accessory exercise for those seeking to develop their glutes? Ooh, that's a great question. It is a great question. That is a really good question. And it's crazy actually you bring up the hip thrust. Oh man. We're gonna combo this.

Oh, I didn't know you were gonna go this direction and bring up the hip thrust, but we didn't talk about the intro that the master of the hip thrust thrust. Our buddy over there, Brett Contreras is getting some heat right now. Yeah. Boy, that's just, that is, you know, again,

here's the thing that sucks about being in the limelight like that is, you know, you do some shit where you cheat on your girl for that long. I mean, and same thing with like Lewis, I don't know. She's going after him. Well, you know, I listened to her talk. She's not throwing him under the bus. Like she's not saying his name. It's just that everybody, everybody who knows that they were together, like, she's inferring it. But we, yeah, and she wrote a fucking newsletter. I mean, she did put a newsletter out. Like, she's so, she, as she's inferring it, but we don't know. And she wrote a fucking newsletter. I mean, she did put a newsletter out. Like she's got like 300,000 followers,

so she's got a massive following herself. So basically, she cheated on her. Yeah. Yeah, she don't know if there's a system for like a year or a year and a half or some shit is what she said. Of course, I'm only repeating what I've heard from her. Yeah, we don't know that what you'll hold here. I mean, she's the victim.

I would think that she's probably the most credible source to like share the information. So it's not like I'm sharing. But we don't know for sure. 100%. Just based off what she says. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Based off of what she said.

And then would you say about Lewis? At Lewis same thing, dude. Yeah, yeah, with what's her face? Jen doc fit or whatever I forget her, I forget what her handle is or whatever same thing. I, you know, I was just talking to Jordan and Lange too. I was like, man, I was really surprised that that didn't destroy his image. I thought that somebody who's like that,

the super positive or everything like that. I'm a good guy. Yeah, kind of presents himself in that light, would get really crushed by that. And just didn't. But the one thing that I think both of them are doing, and I've seen Brett's page too too and I know there's already all this Crazy hate. Just not acknowledge it. Yeah, just totally ignore it. The storm kind of roll by you know

This is so I actually respectfully note in a lot exactly for this he he addressed it He yeah, he got divorced because he had an affair and he addressed it head on he got divorced because he had an affair and he addressed it head on publicly, which takes a lot of balls. You know, and so I appreciate that. Oh, it's one of the things that we've connected. I mean, we consider Lane a friend and, you know, he's a very polarizing personality, but the end of the day, I think that he means well. We all felt that way.

And we felt he's authentic. And talking about people that are authentic and really this is. Like him or not. Yeah, Lane is on a sleep. Yeah, Lane is not trying to pretend that he is he is he comes off as an asshole sometimes that's who he is that's who he's 100% actually. He's 100% you mean him in person sometimes you're like wouldn't asshole. But okay. Yeah. You're right. For sure. I understand you. I know that I just took a left on that but that just reminded me that. me that people are flawed, dude. People are flawed.

We all make mistakes. So it's just, you know, and I think sometimes when you put someone in a pedestal, or they put themselves in a pedestal, maybe, it's a long fall, you know, when shit finds out. Well, that's where I think it's crazy is that the ones that put themselves in the pedestal. And I think probably it's more surprising to me

about Lewis than it is, Brett, because I don't feel like Brett really talked about that stuff. Like he was really, he kept all his personal life pretty quiet. Oh, he stayed on to the, the glute building. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so let's get back to the hip thrust. Now, I, you know, I've recently been doing more and more hip thrust

and I see a lot of value in them. Yeah, your glutes look great. They look amazing. You should feel them. But I, I'll have to give you a good game slap. No, I'm just kidding. Don't do that.

But to place them in the same category, because there's a lot of compound lifts, any lift that uses more than one joint would be considered compound, that doesn't mean that all compound lifts though are in what I would consider the top, you know, the top category of lifts, which include barbell squat, deadlift, overhead press. Those are the three kind of top lifts that I would say. Then you can throw in like a barbell row and a bench press. So there's your top top five. Would I consider a hip thrust in that? No, I wouldn't do that. Like, I can think so barbell squat, I would say one of the best exercises you could do for your lower body.

I think any split stance free would exercise, like a lunge or Bulgarian split stance squat, still superior to a glute hip thrust in terms of just functional performance and overall development. Any squat variation, I would also put above it. Front squats, back squats, Galbit squats, step ups on a step, weighted step ups, I might even rank higher.

That doesn't mean that the hip thrust doesn't have a lot of value. I just don't know if I would put it up there. It's just more isolated. It's just got one function to it. I got into this debate on our forum like last year when I came out and said this. So I came out and kind of shit on it a little bit. And I shit on it for these reasons because people

are coming out and saying it's the most functional exercise that we can do. And I was like, yeah, no, too far, exactly. Or it's the one of the best compound movements we can do. No, no, no, it's not, you know, it's not the most functional. It is not, is it an awesome exercise? Fuck yes. Is it incredible for building the glutes? Yes, like it's definitely, I definitely believe it belongs in a lot of people's repertoire. For sure, I don't think it's like just- Yeah, it's some good French there.

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more than likely is profiting off of a product that's related to it. So be careful of that. So if you're gonna read the science and the literature on it, read the science and literature of somebody that's not attached also to the product itself. So that's important that you do that. And when you read all the literature that's around that movement, yeah, it's an incredible glute development movement. And are a lot of people suffering from anterior pelvic tilt Yeah, and I think that would be a great exercise to do to help counter that so it's a great strengthening exercise

So long as you do it right right exactly so long as you do it right that can help address that is it one of the best things for building The glutes absolutely so you can make a lot of cases for why it's amazing But no no no no does it belong up there with Overhead press deadlift? Now, I want to add one thing to this is that, and that is, if an exercise specifically corrects an issue or an imbalance for you, that exercise becomes the most functional, excellent, excellent point.

A seat, so to that argument, a seated row could be the most important thing that you do. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, so if you have an issue with hip extension if your glutes aren't firing The way you want right if it's underdeveloped if that's something that if this if the hip thrust is the perfect Exercise for your body and your movement patterns then it does belong in the absolute what a what a great point because you're right If I know people some people listening are like, no, that exercise changed my mind.

Yeah, that's right. No, that's 100% right. And all the ones that you listed before, step ups, split stance, lunges, squats. If your glutes aren't firing properly and you don't have good hip extension, then barbell hip thrust could absolutely supersede those movements because of that reason.

So that is a very good point. And we're speaking generally. So generally speaking, after training hundreds of people or thousands through the gym, people have come through my gyms, hip thrust generally speaking just aren't as valuable for most people like a deadlift or like a barbell squat or a split stand squat,

but there are definitely people where a barbell hub thrust is the most beneficial, valuable exercise. So at the end of the day, yes, we're giving you general advice, but you have to apply it to yourself as an individual. And if you're somebody that lacks that hip extension, lacks that connectivity to your glutes, or let's

just say you're into body sculpting and body building. You really don't care too much about function. You just really want to develop just the glutes and you have trouble connecting to them with barbells. Now it becomes an extremely valuable exercise. I wanted to put that out there because for sure, we have a lot of listeners and for sure there's at least five people listening who are like hip thrusts change my life Yeah, and they that very well may be true Next question is from janky garage gym if you have horrible all-around mobility Should you focus on one area first and then move on to the next one once that's okay?

Or is it better to do a bit on all of the problem areas? I don't think that there is a Wrong or right answer to this. I think it's before we go in and give our points here or what our advice. I think it's important to note that whatever works for you is important. Personally, the success that I've had with working on mobility

has come from myself and clients. That's been focusing on like one or two things. The gross offenders. Yeah, like, it looks usually my advice. Yeah, I look at the gross offenders, and in my case, was my lack of ankle mobility, was the lack of my hip mobility. Those are the two biggest things that kept me

from having a comfortable, deep, good squat. And so I began, and I picked one or two movements that I felt the greatest change or improvement for those two areas and just fucking drilled those home like crazy. Yeah, I think if you, so when we talk about mobility training, sometimes we tend to separate it from resistance training. So we think that there are different rules that apply to mobility training because it's not resistance training. The reality is mobility training improperly is resistance training.

Of course, the goal is a little different. The goal of mobility training isn't to build muscle and create, you know, tons of tension through compound movements or whatever. More stability and control. You're just trying to control and direct connection to muscles into movements, but the same rules apply. So what are the rules with resistance training? Will you get better results if you train your whole body

and do one set of an exercise for legs, one set for chest, one set for back, one set, and then go all through the whole body and then repeat that, or do you get better results if you do all your sets for legs, then do all your set for chest, one set for back, one set, and then go all through the whole body and then repeat that, or do you get better results if you do all your sets for legs, then do all your sets for chest, then do all your sets for back. And the truth is, there's more value, you get better results when you do one movement, one exercise focus on that at a time.

Now the studies do show that the most of the gains that you get go to the first few exercises. That doesn't mean you'll get gains in the other exercises. It's just when we measure them and studies will show this, if you squat at the beginning of your workout, you're gonna get more gains on your squat than if you did your squats at the end of the workout. So the advice would be the advice I would give to somebody

if they said, hey, if I have a weak body part, should I focus on that or whatever? Focus on, like Adam said, the gross offenders, or I think Justin said that, focus on the big mobility issues first. Do all your stuff there, wait till that's okay before you move on because going through the whole body, you'll still get benefit, but it's-

It'll cascade like once you really do, pinpoint whether it's like my shoulder joint like I just can't You know, I can't rotate a specific way and like that actually like impedes on me lifting weights over my head And so you know to gain more stability and control over that now that's that's building better movement patterns overall And then the same you know whether it's my ankles or it's my hips that are affecting my knees, you know, something like that to where now I can work on squatting, my techniques going to get better, my movements overall are going to kind of form into these better patterns and then it's going to help my overall. There's also a little bit of a difference between priming and mobility, although there's

a lot of crossover. So, like we have two programs. One is called Maps Prime. One is called Maps Prime Pro. Now priming is a little bit different. Priming is to set yourself up for the exercise that you are about to do. So I prime my body so I get good movement patterns so I can perform a barbell squat better right now. Mobility work is really much more correctional. Like my goal with mobility work isn't necessarily to do the next exercise better,

it's to correct a problem. It's a little bit more intense, a little bit more focused, and there's more work that's being done. So really depends on how you're using this. If you're just working the whole body, you can prime the whole body, and that'll give you some benefit.

Well, I think this is a good question because you see a lot of Instagram accounts in that are mobility based. You just see them doing every body part. Everything, every day, you have to accomplish all these crazy movements and it's gotten so out of control where for me, I enjoy mobility. That's something that I really brought in that had transformed the way that I worked out, but at the same time, I'm sticking with my three main ones,

and that's the workouts is where I get all the benefit. That's such a good point, because I know that it's become a buzz term, and the big pages, the big mobility pages, the guys or girls that are hyper-mobile, and they every day, they're posting a new cool mobility exercise. And because it's become a buzz term, he will listening to podcasts, including our podcasts, they see stuff like that.

And then they're just trying to emulate all these different mobility moves. When in reality, what will benefit you the most is to be hyper-focused on one or two moves that are very specific to your body. You have terrible, let's say, you know, rotation in your shoulder, like doing hand cuff with rotation is like such a great move. You don't need to do, oh, do some fancy lizard animal flow thing that you saw your favorite

mobility guy or girl do. You know, because it looks cool and it's quote unquote good for you. You need to be doing the one thing that is really going to have the greatest impact on your personal mobility issues that you're dealing with. That's funny you brought this question up too because I just did a YouTube video that should go live real soon here. And it actually wasn't something planned at all.

I was doing some, I was doing some mobility work myself and Eli come walking out of the office and he's like, hey, can I, can I video what you're doing? And I'm like, yeah, that's cool. And so he just, he just off the cuff came over and just started videoing me and having me explain what I was doing. And one of the things that I was doing is I do this thing now where I walk up on the squat rack. I get all the walk up on the squat rack.

I get all the way down into the deepest squat. I do a combat stretch. I drive my knees open and open my hips up. I retract and squeeze my shoulder blades together and I tuck my chin and work on my, so I'm literally like addressing the entire... The combo. Yeah, it's literally like addressing the entire... The combo. Yeah, it's literally like four.

Now, what I explain in the video when he's talking or when he's filming me is that this is the result of me working diligently on 1990, on combat stretch at Zone 1 and the forward head stuff that we do was I work so much at that that I can connect really well. I know what I need to do. So now I can get down in a single move, you know, a single mobility move, which I think is a really cool thing that I do to warm up now. But I had to first do all the other, you know, boring ass single 90, 90 type stuff to get

to that point. And that's the, what we're trying to explain is that, you know, just because you see me do this one cool move, like if you haven't done all the prerequisites to get to that point, it's kind of meaningless for you to try and just to attempt to do that. Like if you have trouble just connecting to ankle mobility, you're not gonna do yourself any good

by throwing shoulder and hip and, you know, neck mobility into it all the way. You know, you advanced not going to do yourself any good by throwing shoulder and hip and neck mobility into it all at once. You advanced yourself to that point. If you want to improve more consistently and effectively, you're probably better off focusing on those specific areas of your body, picking the best movements and mastering those before you decide to add lots of other things. Not to mention that, that's where you're gonna see the greatest change, too. It's not like you're gonna do a mobility move

and you're gonna be like, wow, I'm just so much more mobile now. I did those two or three cool mobility exercises. It's gonna take a lot of work. It's gonna take a lot of consistency and frequency of doing a mobility drill that's trying to address the lack of mobility you have in a certain joint before you start to see serious change or feel a major difference.

So even for the psychological reason, it makes more sense to just focus on one area of dysfunction like Prime Pro or Prime Pro, we go through every major joint in the body and you have a test and then you have moves that you should do to improve that range of motion in that joint, you're far better off. Like, you'll go, most people will go through like Prime Pro and, you know, most people will probably fail almost all the tests because a lot of us, because we are seated and older, like we, a lot of us have dysfunction in all of our joints. So you go, oh my God, I have all this problem.

I need to do all these moves. It's like, no, that'll get overwhelming. Like, pick one, like Justin said, the greatest, you know, the greatest gross offender of all of them, and just like drill that home. Do that, two, three, four, five times a day for a few minutes every day. And you will see after a few weeks,

you'll notice an incremental change starting to happen already. And once you kind of make that connection, it's definitely psychologically a lot more motivating to see the change in progress versus doing all of these weird mobility drills and doing different ones every single day. And is it really helping? I think I'm supposed to do this. Is it really alleviating

this chronic pain? Am I getting any more range of motion? Really hard to tell. It's the same concept like Sal made the analogy to exercise. It's like the guy or the girl that goes the gym and they do, they fucking muscle confusion. You know, heavy squats and they come over and do high reps over here, super sets over here, low rest periods here. And they throw the whole kitchen sink at a workout, sure their body might get changed and they might see some results. It's really hard to measure what's working the best for their body, so that's why I separate one area

that you need to work on, really get good at that, and get better at that, so you can see and feel a difference and then apply that and then add on. Next question is from Omnivorus Adam. You guys talk about the importance of eating high quality healthy food, yet besides Doug, we rarely hear any of you speak

about what you cook at home. What's your favorite go-to dish that you cook for yourself at home? That's mainly because it's a lame conversation. Yeah, I think that's what you eat, bro. Yeah, I think that's, I think we've discussed before like, yeah, I'm boring. Well, no, that's just, that's the thing to do

in the fucking fitness space too, is take pictures of your fucking food every single day. I saw a value in it when I was competing, so people could, I was tracking and I was measuring and weighing all my food, so people could see and I was listing my macronutrients, but I think all of us, I mean, I'll start,

I can't speak, I'll speak for myself. It's, it's pretty boring. Yesterday, I had coffee, I'll start, I can't speak, I'll speak for myself. It's pretty boring. Yesterday, I had coffee, I skipped breakfast, mainly because I know that I wasn't moving very much. I didn't get a day before, I hadn't got a workout in. So I didn't eat any breakfast at all, I had with my coffee. Lunchtime, I went and met with our friend, Jordan Harbinger, and had Luna. At Luna, I went and met with our friend, George Harbinger and had Luna.

At Luna, I ate, and Luna is a local, farm to table Mexican restaurant that is here that we all love. And I got steak fajitas. I passed on the sour cream and the guacamole and all I had was the rice, beans and the meat. We'll taste these stuff.

Yeah, well, yeah, but I hear, I guess here, what's good about this conversation is, here's an example of how my eating changes day by day a little bit, but I'm not neurotic about it to where I'm weighing or measuring right now. I know my movement and my calorie burn and my training is significantly low right now. If I'm training hard and I'm consistent

and I'm burning a lot, I'll enjoy the chips and guacamole. I'll have the tortillas with my steak fajitas and I'll intake that extra three to 500 calories because I know I can afford it. I would have had, I would have got up and had a big eggs and bacon type of breakfast and probably a green juice to start my day off. Like that, if I'm burning a lot,

but because I'm not, I make these little subtle adjustments. I pass on the chips and guac. I don't eat the tortilla. I skipped breakfast that day. So, but I mean, I feel like our food isn't that weird or different than anybody else. Dinner time, I had, okay, here's another example. Katrina, we make ground turkey tacos a lot.

When I know that I'm not burning a lot of calories, I opt out on the tacos and I make taco salad. Why do I do that? Well, when I have tacos, I could literally have those little taco shelves. I can crush eight to 10 of those things. And you know what, when I'm burning 4,000 plus calories, I don't give a fuck.

I'll eat the tacos. It's ground turkey tacos. It's got some lettuce and salsa in it. We just sprinkle a little bit of cheese in there. It's really not that bad for me to intake that much calories. But, I, instead of that, what I do is make a taco salad. And so she takes two of the taco shells that I would normally eat eight to 10,

and I make a taco salad instead of having tacos. So, I mean, that was my day yesterday to give you an idea of how I eat. And that's a pretty regular kind of day for me. And, you know, there's things that I add in there or change, we rotate meats a lot. So we eat a lot of, we eat a lot of bison, the day before that.

We had bison and sweet potato. We eat a lot of veal. There's this, this quinoa pasta thing that we like, like pasta type of noodle. But it's made out of like quinoa or some chile tat, it's higher protein, lower glycemic, and we have that with bison or vial. I do a lot of chicken thighs,

and that one's a boring one, chicken thighs, rice, and some sort of a green broccoli asparagus is normally a go-to for me. You know, I don't think that I'm eating it. Brussels sprouts, I eat a lot of those. So on a day when I want to stay away from eating a ton of calories, I'll have just a giant bowl of Brussels sprouts with a little bit of bacon, the recipe that Doug shares. Yeah, I mean, to me, that's a pretty normal kind of like rotation of food. Where about you guys?

Yeah, your right is boring. Well, that's like, I mean, maybe... No, where about you guys? Yeah, you're right, it's boring. I know. Well, that's all I mean, maybe. No, you know, you're just watching the paint peel. No, no, no, here's the deal. People want to know because we represent fitness and how. Here's the thing with food, okay? Food, food has a lot of different kinds of value, okay? And one of the main ones that we understand

in the fitness space is the physiological value, proteins, fats, carbs, calories, macronutrients, vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients that may be in plant, all these wonderful things that are healthy for your body. But there's other values to food. Like I was just in Maui, okay? I'm in Hawaii, I'm on vacation.

And I always laugh because when I'm doing this, I'm like, I wonder if there's any mind-pump listeners watching me right now because you know what I'm in Hawaii. I'm on vacation. And I always laugh because when I'm doing this, I'm like, I wonder if there's any mind publics and there's watch me right now because you know what I'm eating for breakfast? Locomoco. You know what Locomoco is? It's a local Hawaiian breakfast dish. Fried beans. No, it's eggs over the rice.

Yeah, so it's rice with two eggs over easy, a hamburger patty and this brown gravy that is, you know, a part of why. Or having spam, eggs, and rice. I never eat spam, but why am I eating? And oh, why, fuck, I'm gonna, the value of the food at that time is to complete the, the, for me at least, it could be different for other people, but for me, it's to complete the experience of being in,

in Maui. It had shaved ice in Maui where they shaved the ice and they put the, you know, the fake colored sugary stuff on it. And I'm enjoying myself, but I also had lots of fish. Why do I have lots of fish? Again, I'm in Hawaii, there's a lot of fish there that's caught that morning and I'm gonna eat that afternoon. I mean, Mahi that the dude just brought in this morning

and it's on my fish tacos. So if you have that kind of relationship with food and you understand it's true values and then you understand the kind of value that you need, you're gonna be okay. Most of the time, most of the time, the value that I place on food is like, what Adam's talking about?

I'm eating things that are healthy for my physical body, but not always, not always. Sometimes I'm gonna enjoy certain foods because at that moment, that's the value that that food is bringing me. Well, I think the important thing, and when Justin gets to his turn, what you're gonna find with us. She's a barbecue sauce, the Ilevero quick.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I think the thing that is important, and even listening to you, Sal, and kind of like replaying what I was saying about, the thing that I think the best takeaway that somebody can get from probably us talking about our nutrition is that we're not neurotic like 90% of the fitness space. No, we used to be.

I used to be neurotic in my food. And it wasn't healthy. And at the same time, although we're not neurotic to where we're weighing, measuring, and doing all those things, I'm not saying that there's not value to that. Like if I was at a place in my life right now where we were, let's say we had a bet, like, you know, who is going to

fucking build the most muscle right now or what's get on stage in six months? Like you bet your ass, like the scales coming out. I'm fucking prepping every single week. I'm carrying my food around. I'm getting serious about if I'm going to make the greatest change in the fastest amount of time, there's going to be no room for air. But in my life right now, that's just not a priority. I don't give a shit. And I don't give a shit about anybody who's gonna judge me if I'm fucking 14% body fat compared to 9% body fat

or 6% I don't give a shit about what somebody thinks about. Well, see that's the key when you start to understand all the values of food and you understand the values that you really need and you have a good relationship with yourself. Then you're going to sit somewhere that's healthy. You're going to sit somewhere at a body fat percentage that is healthy. You're going to have decent strength and performance. It's something that you can have forever in long term.

Are you going to be shredded? No, I don't think there's very few people that could be shredded without having to measure and count everything. So if you want to be super, super diced, you're probably going to have to do that. But here's a, you know, some news break for you. Being shredded all the time is not healthy, typically physically or psychologically. So at some point, if you want to have a healthy life and you want to do this forever, at some point you have to really understand the total values of food and it's a stress, it's more of a stress-free way of eating. Where again, I was on vacation, I'm not freaking out

because I'm eating shaved ice, locomokos, and whatever. It's part of the experience. I'm going to get home. I'm not on vacation anymore. I don't need to complete the value of my home time. I live here on vacation anymore. I don't need to like complete the value of my hometown. I live here all the time. So I'm gonna eat foods that are physiologically healthy for me most of the time. Again, because that's the value.

Like I had dinner at my mom's house last night. Now this is a Sunday dinner. We had a lot of family over. I actually posted a video of it on my Instagram. It was about 20 something people there. So I'm gonna enjoy the moment. So what did I do? I ate pasta with sauce, ate some sausage and some meatballs.

My dad made this chicken dish that we had. We had some vegetables and some salad. I had some bread because my aunt brought some fresh French bread because at that moment, the value of that food wasn't necessarily the physiological value getting me shredded or fueling my body for crazy workout. The value was, I'm enjoying my family. And we're, we're, we bond over food and we're having great conversation. Let me get my outfit for this goes for an hour. Yeah, besides like

cheese and, you know, barbecue sauce and all that shit you guys, you know, make fun of me for. I do like actually pay attention on some level, not neurotic, obviously. But I do try to make sure that I don't eat processed food. That's one that I know right away is going to affect me in a negative way. So anything that's going to affect me to where I'm going to feel the physical ailments that it's going to present me. And this is where two where where some elements of like grains, gluten, things like that, that I'm,

and that's been in my diet before that I've like really kind of pinpointed that this causes me at night to get up because I have like bad acid reflux and I have like these other, you know, gastrointestinal issues. Like I'm gonna try and steer clear of that kind of thing. And so, and then the other thing is like, in the mornings with breakfast, like I really tried to eat breakfast.

I went so long not eating breakfast that I feel like that really had a detriment on my metabolism. And so I've tried to incorporate that and bring that back. And then I will actually like, that's one of the things where I manipulate a lot based off of my activity. If I'm more active, I'm gonna, you know, make sure I'm really getting that breakfast. And, you know, I'm less active, I'm not. And so my carbs are really just, you know, potatoes

and rice. And like, that's where I'm sprinkling that in, you know, based off of like, you know, how much I'm working out doing things. Otherwise, I'm really just trying to stick with vegetables and meat as much as I possibly can and then enjoying company. If I'm with somebody I'm not going to be super like anal about what's in front of me other than like I might not eat as much of it because I'm like oh shit is going to kill me you know like or you know sometimes I might be all in and you know like that might happen and it's just like it's not a big deal. Yeah you brought up the breakfast thing you know, like that might happen. And it's just like, it's not a big deal. Yeah, you brought up the breakfast thing. You know, they just had a study that came out, um, actually sent it to Max Lugovier, um, for him to share that people who eat earlier

in the day, increases the amount of calories that their bodies burn. So calories versus calories out, still, of course, applies, but you can change the calories out by the timing of your food. And they're actually found in the study They eating your meals earlier in the day Increases the amount of calories your body burns Processing the food pretty logical when you eat it in the evening. So And it's not a huge difference not gonna be a game changer for a lot of people But it is a difference kind of interesting. Yeah next question is from Jamil a

144 our massage guns good for recovery or a waste of money. You know, so I'm going to you, there aren't a lot of studies on massage. They feel good. I know that much. But there are studies on massage. So I'm going to put them in the same category as massage. And they actually have studied massage to see how it affects the body, you know, post-exercise. Does it actually speed up recovery? Here's what they found. They found that massage does reduce the inflammatory markers that tend to be produced from exercise.

So can they speed up recovery? Yes, but here's the caveat. They might actually reduce the muscle building signal that they exercise then sent. This is the catch 22 with things that speed up recovery. Things that reduce inflammation also simultaneously blunt the muscle building

or adaptation signal because inflammation is what signals the body to adapt. So theoretically, massage could benefit you or it could hurt you depending on where you're at with your training. If you're over the line, if you're training so hard that you're over the line of over training, then massage may bring you back to the point

where now it's an optimal amount of inflammation. If it's not, if you're not at that line, it may bring down inflammation to the point where it actually reduces the signal that you'll work out just sent. So it really does depend a lot. I don't have a ton of experience with massage guns though. I don't know if you guys, you guys, you love them. They fall in the same category as foam roll for me.

Like if it helps you get into a mobility move or get into a stretch, there's value in it. Do I think that a majority of people need to invest in the 200 or something? I think they're like two to $400 for some of these things. I know that some people have made some hacks where you put it like a... Yeah, you just get a drill and like put...

Yeah, a different attachment on it. Yeah, then you look like a weirdo like with a sex toy in the gym. Yeah, so I think... I've seen them. Yes, so. Why are all the videos in slow-mo? You see that?

It's always like on some girls butt and it's like back, back, back, back, back. Yeah, great selling point, right? Yeah, so I mean, if you've got the money to have things like this, like, I mean, I don't own one. Okay, so let's just, I think that's important to know. We're married to one. Is it your... Yeah, your girls are misogyn...

She's the offended, I would think. Yeah, no, she would be actually. She gets really pissed when I use massage tools at all because she's got the magic hand. So, yeah, you know, if you got the money to have something like this and you're trying to work on your mobility and stretch more and do that,

the thing that I always worry about with things like this, and again, foam rolling is included in this. stretch more and do that. The thing that I always worry about with things like this, and again, foam rolling is included in this. Your work is not done there. All these tools, both those tools, foam rolling and these guns, give you temporary relief so that you then can do the work you need to do to change the root cause of the issue. If you just do the TheraGun to release some of the tension and then you go about your normal behaviors, you're not really doing anything. You're just kind of putting a bandaid or putting a whole or a finger in the hole in the sinking boat. Like

you've got to do something about what's causing the hip pain or causing the knee pain or causing the low back pain. Even though these guns give you the temporary relief, the foam roll gives you a temporary relief. It doesn't mean that it's technically fixing the issue. All it's doing is giving you temporary relief. What you then need to do is address what got you into that position. So I think it's a great tool. I think if you've got the money to have one in your bag

and it promotes you doing more mobility and corrective work, fucking biomeans invest in one. But it's not the answer and nor do you doing more mobility and corrective work. Fuckin' biomeans investin' one. But it's not the answer, and Nordu need it in order to address the issues that you potentially have. Absolutely, I think it's like a novelty that's nice. Like you feel good from it. It's just like, I mean, it's nothing new.

It's like those massage wands and chairs and attachments. Like we've had these from infomercials forever, like just trying to like sit there and feel like a massage, you know, something vibrating or like making not like, like going up and down my back, like that feels great, but at the same time it's just, you know, it's temporary.

So you can look at it like that. Yeah, and what they do really is they, it's kind of like hacking the, the CNS, right? It sends a signal to the CNS, it's like those vibrating plates, you know, when you use those and you get into a stretch and you can only go so far, stand on a vibrating plate and you'll find

that you'll be able to go a little farther. It's literally confusing the CNS and the CNS starts to relax and the muscles then allow for more range of motion. If you use them properly, like what Adam was talking about, they can be very valuable. But if you just use them as band-aids, they're not going to benefit you. They're just going to give you that temporary relief. And then when that temporary relief is gone, the root cause is still there. And the problem, in fact, I could possibly even see how these tools may actually cause more problems for some people, because it allows

them to prolong the root problem even longer, no different than taking masks the symptoms. Yeah, like taking a painkiller, you know? No, this is a good point. This is what happened to me with my IT. So I used to foam roll like every day before I played basketball or do you think like that?

And because I noticed a big... You pushed it further and further? Yeah, I just kept, and I never addressed why I was having these issues until way later did I really dig into like what was going on because it would. It'd give me temporary relief. I'd then be able to play basketball and I'd be paying for you.

I was playing basketball, but then I'd come right back. It's like, oh, I can't, when I squat, my hip hurts, but if I foam roll, I can keep squatting. You're not figuring out why it hurts in the first place. You're just allowing yourself to squat more and then what will end up happening is whatever was causing the problem in the first place, it's going to get worse. So it all depends on how you use these. And with that, go to minepumpfree.com and download our guides, books, and resources.

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