Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1244: Clean Eating vs. Flexible Dieting, Preventing Muscle Loss When Cutting, The Best Cardio Machines & MORE

Episode Date: March 7, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about why bodybuilders almost always seem to opt for clean eating as opposed to flexible dieting, whether the body gets too efficient at basic human movements such as walking, how to ensure you don’t lose too much muscle when cutting, and the big 4 cardio machines. Adam’s puberty squeak. (4:50) Mind Pump on effectively disciplining their children, temper tantrums & MORE. (7:07) The newest addition to the Andrews family. (19:34) Mind Pump on nudist colonies. (24:33) The Di Stefano wine tasting trip brought to you by ZBiotics. (29:21) Butcher Box’s exemplary customer service. (33:52) Justin on his latest dietary experiment, the impact of elimination diets & MORE. (36:24) Things are getting crazy in San Francisco. (41:40) Mind Pump election predictions. (49:05) #Quah question #1 – Why do bodybuilders almost always seem to opt for strictly clean eating as opposed to a flexible dieting approach? (54:34) #Quah question #2 – You often mention cardio adaptation. Does our body get too efficient at basic human movements such as walking as well? (1:05:56) #Quah question #3 – How do you ensure you don’t lose too much muscle when cutting? I am very attached to the gains and don’t want to see them go. (1:09:25) #Quah question #4 – What would you consider to be the big 4 cardio machines? (1:18:59) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Promotion: MAPS Powerlift ½ off! **Code “POWER50” at checkout** Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Why are so many San Francisco Walgreens locations closing? Suspects caught on camera stealing makeup from SF Walgreens San Francisco has a 'Poop Patrol' to deal with its feces problem, and workers make more than $184,000 a year in salary and benefits Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness and health questions. We talk about working out and burning body fat and best forms of cardio. But the way we open the episode is we talk about current events, we talk about scientific studies, we do random conversations sometimes

and we mention our sponsors. So here's what went on in today's episode of Mind Pump. We start by talking about Adam's puberty voice. He's got a voice made for a 14 year old. They talked about disciplining our children, what that looks like, all difficult it can be to raise kids. Justin talked about his new addition to the family, a puppy.

Oh man. Here we go again. I have no idea why I transitioned from there to nudist colonies and swingers and weird stuff like that. Oh man, but I went with it. That was nice. I talked about the weekend I had with my family, tasting wine, and I had my entire family, and some uncles and cousins.

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to prop up the market. Then we got to the fitness questions. The first question, this person wants to know why body builders seem to eat very strictly with something called clean eating. It's where they eat the same foods all the time. As opposed to doing more of a flexible dieting approach where you just hit macro nutrient goals.

Why do they do that? What's the difference? The next question this person says, you guys talk about cardio adaptation. Does our body ever get too efficient at basic human movements like walking? So we talk about what happens to the body when you do lots of cardio,

why metabolic adaptation isn't a bad thing, depending on what your goals are, and we kind of break it down. The next question this person says, look, how do you ensure that you don't lose too much muscle when you're dieting, one of the biggest problems with reducing your calories isn't just burning body fat, but actually losing muscle. Save my game. Who cares if you lose 10 pounds if seven of that is muscle?

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But when you're height, right? Oh, yeah, no, my height didn't, I didn't sprout up until my senior year of high school. Yeah, that's a little while. Wow. Yeah, I was, well, I remember I said I was five-three as a freshman. So I played point guard, my freshman year of high school. And then by my junior year, I was playing said I was five three as a freshman. So I played point guard my freshman year of high school. And then by my junior year, I was playing like Power Forward and Center.

So I was six foot tall my junior year. So it was the summer between my sophomore year and my junior year when I started happening. Yeah. When the magic started happening, I guess. Now, you know why I'm asking these questions? No, I don't. I have a theory.

What, let's hear it. Because we were watching the video of us You know why I'm asking these questions? No, I don't. I have a theory. What let's hear it because We were watching the video of us doing the the drinking game, you know the Z-Bitex Yeah Yeah, yeah, and that one and you and you won. Oh, yeah, what a great tournament, right? Yeah, you won I love to win and you let out your you have a very distinct like your signature victory scream But you instantly lose your voice. I do it's very puberty time. So when I use that Like your signature victory scream. Yeah. Yeah. But you instantly lose your voice. I do.

It's very puberty time. So when I use that, I don't know why. I don't know what that is. And you're right there, you're singing out in the hallway. I'm like, it sounds like a 13 year old Adam singing. It's hot. Oh, yeah. So I wonder if that's like.

I never would. I feel like that's going to kick it later. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know what the deal is. So that used to happen to me. I couldn't I can never control it. It happened once every boot camp. Every single every single.

So it's your it was the joke like every every morning. Yeah, no, you knew that at one point at one point, it would I would squeak and the whole class the whole class would just bust up laughing Yeah, everybody thinks it's hilarious. It's so funny. Bro, it's not funny when you can't control it. Your kid's gonna grow up and you're just gonna be like my dad never yells. He's always called because he doesn't know he should want to yell because the squeak will happen. Oh, speaking of this, yeah.

All fear is gone. Speaking of that, I did my first, like, no, to Maximus. Did you really? What was you doing? I don't even remember what it was. He was doing something like, I think he was biting, he was biting with his teeth on my finger. He's got teeth now, right?

His bottom teeth came in. Yes. And he kept doing it. And I've yet to do that. Like I have not raised my voice. We have nothing like that in our house. And so, you know, this was the first, I looked at him and I said, no.

Did he cry? No, he didn't cry, but he froze. He completely froze. He traumatized him, bro. I don't say that. I don't say that. But it did spark up a discussion with Katrina and I, because she says, like, he's now, he's been her too

with obviously when she's feeding him. Oh, I can't even imagine. That's right, right. You're nursing and the nipple. And she told me the same thing that that's the first time that she's kind of like giving him the no, you know? And she says, like, he did this,

because I was telling her this happened to me. And she, I guess she told me that, oh yeah, I know, she says I've had to tell him no, like sternly, like for the first time, and he freezes and I'm like, yeah, it's exactly what he did to me. I said, you know, it's interesting, right? It made me think about like the household that I grew up

and there was a lot of screaming and yelling and all that shit. And there has to be some value and power to that and and probably a lot of people don't think about it and they They use that a lot. No, don't this and screaming and fighting in a house and then and then the kid gets to a point where You you go to discipline them or if they raise the level every time right? It's it's the same on the opposite end of that as the whole boy who cried wolf thing, right? If they're like, you know, outside and they're making a noise, it's like really loud and like you're like in panic mode out there trying to like help them out,

but it's really like a small thing. And you're like, you can't do that. You can't like go to that level every time and freak me out. And it is one of those things. Like it's overused all the time because it's effective, but you wanna hold that as like, right, the work that's-

Well, when I was talking to Trinidad, I was like, I think it's important to us for us that we think about that, that don't waste those. You know, don't waste those every time he does something you don't like. Don't waste it on just every time to correct him. Use it when there's a major lesson behind it. Like, you know, you hit another kid or you do something that, like that's just no, that's

absolutely not. You don't, or where they could potentially hurt themselves or something that reaching the light socket or whatever. Yeah. Things that are dangerous, things that are really bad behaviors, stuff that you really want to correct and you can actually educate and speak to, save those moments of that stern, hey, don't, or that getting on with it. Otherwise, if you, every single time they're doing something

you don't like them to do, or they're playing with their toys and throwing it, or whatever kids shit, right? If you waste that stern voice every time, I would imagine it would start to fall on deaf years after a while, and that was a conversation we had last night. It was the first time that I would imagine it would start to fall on deaf ears after a while. That was a conversation we had last night. It was the first time that I had done that with them

and I was like, oh wow, look at the power of that. He froze in his tracks and was looking at, I've heard this from Dad, it was wild. I used to be able to make my kids cry just by looking at him. I'm serious. If I gave him a look at him, they start crying crying. You stare at goats men who make kids cry. Yeah, do you just wait till you? I know you have you felt bad you haven't felt bad yet No, that was this was yeah, that was the first. Yeah, it's coming. Oh, that was like the other day

I answered on my questions. I think I brought this up to a podcast those the you know the the biggest fear I have as a father is knowing that it's inevitable I'm going to do something wrong or whatever. It's like it's what knowing that it's inevitable I'm going to do something wrong or whatever. It's like it's what is it? What is it? I'm going to do hopefully something. I spank my son once and my daughter never. And I spank my son because he threw a block at my dad, at his grandfather, hit my dad in the head. So I spanked his little hand and he looked at me and then he hugged me and cried. Oh, fuck me up.

Only one time spanked him on the hand and never spanked my kids. Really? No, I'll definitely spank mine. No, yeah. You know why I won't? I'll tell you why. Because it's weird.

I'm way bigger than that. It's so weird to me. It doesn't matter. It's physically. To me it doesn't have to be, you're not, you're not. I haven't had to, you know here's a deal. Here's why because I've been effective otherwise. That's what it is.

Well, I'll never, I'll never, I'll never spank like I got spanked. He's, I'll never kick them. Yeah. I'll never spank like I did, which is like, you know, every time you did something wrong, it was, you know, you're coming home and it's the belt or the spoon or whatever. And you had to wait in your room and it was a big old deal. I'll, the same way that I used the stern voice

is the same way that I think I would use like a whack on the back of the diaper, like when he's doing something that could either hurt himself, like to catch him, or make a hard angle. Wack, like 100% I will do that. There's a little course correct. Yeah, it's not a fucking hit him, you know what I'm saying? Like it's not designed to hurt him.

It's designed to get his attention right away and correct whatever it is that I see. I don't see it, Justin, were you worried? I thought I'd do it more, to be honest with you. I don't, I don't use it very often. Like if at all, it was only when there were, like during their terrible twos and sort of, like in where they were just kind of going all over the place.

It was very chaotic and I was trying to show boundaries in certain areas. Like it was, you know, when it was like, an act of pure defiance. And I would like determine what that was. And I would, even before I would spank it, I would build it up. First, I wouldn't do it right then. I would make them go to the room.

And then I would try and get my heart right now and I would breathe. And then I would go and they knew it was happening. And so it was like, I don't know. I guess it was more like procedural. I was setting them up for it, and they knew it was like, the whole thing behind it was the anticipation of it, and so then I would barely even hit them

to where it was just like smack, and then they start crying. And it was just, for me, it's just to kind of slow down and like make a point that this is something that, I'm not gonna tolerate. And if you do it again, then, you know, the consequences, real consequences. Did you catch that, Sal?

He lets it build up before he spanks it. Yeah. Wow, that's a good, that's your words. It happens like it. You can use that in other directions. Did you, no, no. That makes sense because I think if you, which part, thank you kid, not that one too though.

But if you, if you, if you, if you spank your kid and you're angry, you're more likely to display the anger. Yeah. You know, rather than, I'm not, I'm not pro that. What's that? Yeah. This is what you do when you're angry, you know. And I gotta check myself because I do have tendencies towards that, you know, because. Oh, this is what you do when you're angry, you know. And I gotta check myself,

because I do have tendencies towards that, you know, because I mean, I've been in, you know, very violent sports and, you know, like there's like dire consequences for certain things and like, you know, my tendency used to kind of like react in. And so like I've been very, very conscious of that with my kids. Did you now temper tantrums?

Did your kids when they were two, three, throw temper tantrums? Did you just of that with my kids? Did you now temper tantrums? Did your kids, when they were two, three, throw temper tantrums? Did you see those? Yeah, I saw those. One kid versus the other sometimes. Like more, and I had to learn how to navigate through that. And a lot of times it was like, I had to learn how to give space for certain things.

Like if I was like trying so hard to like, you know, let's go. It was usually like when we were trying to leave somewhere and they were like so fixated on this thing, like, especially like my young guess, he gets really fixated in an activity he's doing. And I had, I've had to like really learn how how to give him proper warning and then like, okay, when we're leaving, it's 10 minutes, like five minutes, one minute, and let's break it off,

because if I just ripped the bandaid, there's hell to pay. He's just as stubborn as I am. Dude, my daughter used to throw temper tantrums that I swore to God if there were a way to tap into the energy that she was producing, you could power a small town. Like, I couldn't, it was, it turns into blocka from street fire.

It was incomprehensible. I would look at and go, how was this energy possible? Just, wow, this is insane. One time she was at the store and she threw such a crazy tantrum. just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, going to be here for five minutes, I'm already embarrassed, so I'm not going to get more embarrassed. That's perfectly fine. Well, isn't that the prevailing theory on that is that when they have those, you're supposed to let them have it out. Don't react. Yeah, right.

Let them have it out. Don't react with your emotions and then actually have them articulate what they're feeling and actually have empathy for what they're going through. Oh, I know. I imagine it. It's just you aren in a time schedule. Oh, dude, you try to get a two or three year old kid throwing a tantrum in a car seat.

It's the most impossible thing. You can't do it. I mean, you can if you're gonna use like massive, you know, if you're gonna say, no, you're getting in the seat, but they will stiffen out like a board and you can't fit him in the chair, you can block them in. So you're gonna be late wherever you're gonna go,

you're gonna be late. It's such a challenging, oh my God, especially have multiple kids. I don't know how my mom, well I know how my mom did it. She used to throw shoes at us. That's what she did. She used to, when I was a kid, I remember,

because my mom had four kids and we were bad, we were all bad kids, we just, we do all kinds of, and remember when I was, and I was the oldest, right? So I got a little older and got out of that stuff, but then I had all these younger siblings. So my mom, I would witness my mom lose her shit

because you know, she got three little kids or whatever. And I remember thinking too, as a kid like, man, my mom, why she lose her temper like that? That's crazy. And then I became a parent, I'm like, oh, I get it. Yeah, I know why she did that, you know? Oh man. Oh, one time my brother, he said,

we went grocery shopping and she would take all of us. So have you ever gone grocery shopping with one little kid? Oh, it's the worst. Okay, it's the worst experience in my life. Okay, go with four kids and three of them being little, you know, you have the youngest is like, you know, one and a half and all the way up, right?

Little kids. What are your guys, how many years apart are you? So it's four years apart between me and my sister, and then it's only one and a half or two years apart between all of them. So I'm much older than the rest of them in comparison or whatever. But we were at the grocery store,

and my brother was, he was just a terror. He was just a terrible little kid, and he escaped the shopping cart. My mom will put him inside the shopping cart, keep all the kids in there to kind of control him. And he would just climb, she turned around, he escaped, and he ran, and he was hell of fast too. He was a fast little three year old, and he jam,

and then he was just pulling shit off the shelves. He was running, and my mom wasn't fast enough to catch him, you know, and this is in the grocery store. Get back and then she'd tell me, get your brother. And so I'd run after him and he'd knock and shit off. Finally, I see a slipper fly through the air. Hit him in his little way. Hit the grocery store.

Hit him in his leg. He falls down. And the people looked at my mom like, how could you ever throw, and the look she gave back at? She's a little anxious. Dude, the look she gave back at them was like, I will throw my shoe at you too. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't fuck with me. You don't understand. Oh, I understand. Those shopping cart like it, oh dude, just going to the grocery store as like nightmare. Oh. They just take off.

It's anarchy. It's grabbing stuff. It's, I want this is like nightmare. They just take off, it's energy, it's grabbing stuff. It's, I want this one with that, and they just take off on you. Where are you? Oh, dude, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, ah! Yeah, like no. Yeah, I'm not doing what you want. You ever have your kid look at you dead in the eye and then do some shit? Like you tell them no, and then, so my son did this, a couple, he would do this.

I would say don't do that, and then he would look at me in the face and then do exactly what I do. Yeah, like draw, I'd say do not spill your juice on the floor or whatever, and he'd look at me and he'd slowly pour it on the floor. It's a power move. Yeah, like what are you gonna do? So dad, you're gonna shit. I control this house. Justin, aren't you adding a new family member to your?

I am. Yeah, yes. I can go through with it or what? I mean, apparently it's happening. So what are you doing? So we have had this while well, I'm including myself in this now because it was originally a Courtney's idea, but we are getting another dog. So we're getting a puppy, which was supposed to be, I tried to put like as many roadblocks to this as possible, just to see like, you know, is this really what you want? Like, are we gonna add another sort of thing into the mix?

Like, we're pretty balanced right now. We're doing well as a unit, you know? And like, I feel like everything's kind of working. Like, and so, you know, I think that being home and then being with the dog and seeing how, you know, crazed, the dog just cannot get worked enough, cannot walk enough. Like, he just needs more, like constantly.

And so we were actually talking to your sister about, because she's had the same breed. The winemarators are just like so high energy, and like they just need to just run, and they need to play with another dog and all that. So anyways, I knew that head at time too. I was like, they do better with like two dogs. And so I guess like, so you're getting another one.

A small, no, we're getting a smaller dog. So actually, it's funny to me because I look at it like, we're getting a pet for Arlo. A pet for your pet. He's gonna have a little pet, you know, to hang out with, his B is a little buddy. And hopefully his energy will then sort of like draw his energy down. He's the theory.

It's all theoretical. I don't really know if it's gonna play out that way or not, but- Could multiply the energies it could do. It definitely could, and I, that was my argument. And so, but you know what, I'm supporting her in this, and so I'm, you know, and I love dogs, so I'm all about it,

but you gotta get rid of the chickens, okay, we gotta get a fence up, so all these things like we can keep them confined more in our property. And so like all that stuff's in the works. And so I was like, okay, if you do all that, so she's flying down while we're in Ohio with the kids to go pick them up

and bring them back and it's full of seating. Dude, puppies are a lot of work. I know, man. They're a lot of work. It was supposed to be like more towards one year old and then the breeder was like, no, you know, like I like there was some miscommunication on the date and it turns out we're getting him when he's like four months old. Oh my god.

What's the breed? It's a doxin. Oh, I love those. I love those. Many doxin. Yeah, it's cute as hell. It's got that like a unique like spotted pattern to it. I'll show you guys a picture. So do you know my cute now you're you still dealing with the rat problem?

Uh, yes. Okay, so Dodson's are great for rats. Oh, a little, a little like a yeah. They're great rat hunters. That's right. That's why they're they were bred to be. Menteriors, right? Yeah, they're bred to be long small dogs because they would hunt animals in their holes, their little burrows and stuff like that. Like ferret animals. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you might have you might have salty. Hey, maybe, yeah, I didn't think about that.

So no more chickens, huh? Yeah, are we doing a like a barbecue or something this week? That's good to say. We're gonna do a hot ones episode where we do. So I mean, how many do you have still? I mean, are you still going? I have a four and they're actually going to go to one of Courtney's friends who has her own,

like, I don't know, Herum of Chickens, what do you call it? Fluck a Chickens, yeah. But yeah, so she's taking a man and I'm just like, hey, great, you know, I am going to miss the eggs. That's it. Yeah. But yeah, like, so they're going to be gone

and then that whole space opens up for me. So I have plans to then, the summer build out the deck and then everything outside is gonna be more groomed. And it's good progress for me to then build what I wanna do out. So looking back, is that a complete failed experiment or what do you think about it?

I don't know. I think that was, let me get a lot of free eggs out of it. Yeah, I got free eggs out of it and the kids initially were think about it? I don't know. I think that was, let me get a lot of free eggs out of it. Yeah, I got free eggs out of it and the kids initially were all about it when they were like little chicks and then we actually went through that whole thing where they little chicks, they grow up, we feed them and all that and then they moved outside

and so they, but then they lost pure interest in it and it was just like, there's just chickens and there's shit and it smells and you know, all that kind of, and there's rats now and you know, and then it was starting to like, you know, there's just like too much going on there. So I think that it was cool at the time, but now it's time to move on.

Yeah. I wanted to try those eggs, I still haven't. Oh really? You know what, I still have them, so I'll bring some in. I would love it. You ever seen the difference when you crack those eggs up? Oh yeah, yeah.

So I get the... Super bright. I get pasture raised organic eggs or I've had eggs from friends who brought them over. Then you buy the regular organic eggs or whatever. They look dead. They look pale in comparison. Like those eggs are like a bright...

They're like depressed. Like a bright, reddish gold color. And then the regular ones like a bright. They're like depressed. Like a bright, reddish, gold color, and then the regular ones like a pale. It's like not the same, definitely not the same. What's that? Okay, so I can't find the link. I'm so irritated. Somebody sent me a link and I've lost it.

Apparently there's this destination, like party place that you can go to, where there's like no rules, and you go and you do drugs, and you say, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, it's not a visa. No, Haiti. What's it called?

Haiti. How do you spell that? I don't know. Is that a, Haiti, H-A-I-T-I? No, or is it a D-E-E maybe, or something like that? I don't know, I don't think. No, anyway, there was this place where it was like,

that's how they were advertising it. They were advertising it where you show up, you pay a ton of money. Yeah. And it's anything goes. It's like a Dan Bilzerian Island or what? Something like that, which I think is hilarious. Although, do those places ever turn out the way you think?

Or do you? No, dude. Well, I know Haiti was like always a bunch. It was like where all the swingers went. That's been around for a long time. And that was a popular place where everybody goes and you know, fucks each other. That's in a party and drink and do it.

Oh, I think I know what you're talking about, but I don't think it around for a long time. I think it's called something else though. Isn't it called Doug Pulling Some? Maybe Sex Island. Whoa. That might be it. Sex Island.

Sex Island where the guests pay to party with prostitutes. Holy shit Well, that's that's a little different. Yeah, no, there was another there was another place to that Ask you for a friend Boy, I don't know. We had new sponsor Columbia. Yeah, she's anchor, you know down Yeah, well, it's never ends. I you know, it's funny Now that we've had the show and we have people following us. Where have you guys got people listening to us? Yeah anchor down. Well, it's never ends. I know it's funny. Now that we've had the show and we have people following us, have you guys got any messages from

swingers? Quote, swingers or people trying to we've met them before. I mean, there's been people. I remember when we first started. I feel like this question is a trap. It is. Stay away from answering.

I know. Thank you. Thank you Adam. No, I'll tell you to stress me. I'm Adam. You know, I'll tell you to trust me. I saved you from my stuff. It's great. I take the fifth go ahead. Oh, man, story sounds.

A while ago, a while ago, no joke, there was a person DM me was acting whatever. I just ignored them. Then they went to Jessica and they tried to message her and sent her pictures and it was a girl. That was doing all this. That's awesome. That's just a lot of, no, it's not gross.

That's just a lot of gross. I mean, I'm not mad if someone's trying to send Katrina and naked pictures and it's a chick, you know what I'm saying? Like, all right, whatever. Hopefully, she shares them with me. Yeah. What do you think? Do you know who this is?

No, show me more. I can't tell if I know. It reminds me of like my friend a long time ago when we were like teenagers, like, dude, I know we're nude beaches. I'm a long time ago we were like teenagers like dude I know where a nude beaches. I'm like oh wow that's so cool like we're gonna see like all these naked chicks And we get there and it's just like like the like if there wasn't a girl there It was like somebody's grandma, you know, like just Sunday thing We droop eight we droopy we droop eight hours for one.

Boobies and then like, all the dudes, like just like right next to her, just like, like putting like lotion on on their, like, you know, uncircumcised hogs and then like, oh my god, I only see all this. So would you say you drove eight hours? You drove eight hours for one in high school. We were seniors in high school and,

that's what you do back in the day. No, totally. When you have your life, you've only had your license for what, two years by that time or in my case, I was only six years old. Eight hours. And we're like, what should we do this spring, it was a spring break. What should we do this spring break? Let's go find a nude beach and let's go to it. And I remember we searched for a nude beach. And I think the closest one that we could find at that time was down in San Diego.

And so we straight roadied. All the way to San Diego. And so he, my friend, that one of the friends that we, there was four of us that went down there, he had an older sister that went to San Diego State and she had a little apartment down there. So we're like, oh, we'll just go crash in her apartment. But the main purpose of the trip was, go down, get drunk, fucking go down to a new beach.

Yeah, it was so terrible. I think we saw three naked bodies and they were like, I don't think any of them were under the age of 60. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It typically works out the way. When you're a kid, you think new beach, therefore everyone's gonna wanna,

as soon as I show up, there's one thing to make. Yeah, you think of like the, you know, you think of like the Playboy mansion naked. Like you're like, yeah, it's like, it's very, like it has to there. Yeah, you think of like the, you know, you think of like the playboy mansion naked like you're like, yeah, it's like, it's very like it has to be super rare. You can find hot people. Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a nudist colony up around, I think near you, Justin, right?

I put in the Santa Cruz mountain. Totally. Isn't there one? It's called a guard. I can't remember the name of it, but there's supposed to be up one. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I can't imagine too many hot people up there. Yeah.

Oh, I mean, Vegas. Vegas has I think you're right. I can't imagine too many hot people up there. Yeah. I mean, Vegas Vegas has some hillbillies. I mean, you go to Vegas, you get some some some. Well, there you go. Yeah. You know, somewhere like that, I'm sure the pool's a little better. Yeah, I went to it. How did you even take us this direction? I don't know. I don't know. I just felt like talking about that. Yeah. You know, what are you going to do? Didn't you? What did you do this last weekend? Oh, dude. I gotta tell you guys about the wine tasting trip. We did one last time. Yeah, she could do a fat one.

Yeah, this is it. Yeah, right. So my aunt organized a wine tasting trip for all her siblings. So it's my aunts and uncles, and then the older kids, the ones that could drink. So it was a big group. We got on a bus.

And then we went to different wineries, had a total blast. So once you organized it, this is when we first started working with ziotics. So I thought, what a great opportunity, because I've been waiting to be able to talk about this. I said, what a great opportunity to test out the ziotics. For the listeners who don't know,

ziotics makes a genetically modified bacteria that produces an enzyme that breaks down something called acetyl aldehyde in the body. And acetyl aldehyde is a byproduct of alcohol metabolism and it builds up in the body. When your body can't catch up with breaking it down, if it starts to build up too much, you get these side effects that are... The hangover feeling. It's like a hangover.

It makes a stomach ache, nausea, all that stuff. Inflammatory feeling, that toxic feeling, or whatever. Yeah, achy. Yeah, and so, and we tested it ourselves. Obviously, before we worked with the company, we tested it a bunch of times. I tested it in Maui, and every single time it's funny, every time I test it, I think to myself. Mine blowing, bro.

Yeah, every time I test it, I think to myself, this is the time it's not going to work, because there's no way, it's got to be chance. There's no way it can work that well. So did you, but it doesn't? And any outs, any of your relatives? I did, so I told, and these are, remember, these are all my aunts and uncles, they're all in their 50s, 60s,

and then my cousins were all in their, you know, 30s and early 40s, dude. Cause wine gave me the worst hangovers out of all drinks. In my entire life, the worst hangover ever got, hangover ever got was when I drank too much red wine. It was terrible. So all these people, family members 50, 60, nobody in my family is a drinker.

Most of my, the people in my family has bad, you know, side effects from alcohol. So if we do drink, it's super rare, and then everybody kind of maintains a little bit and doesn't drink too much because they tend to feel bad the next day. So we had a big group thread and I told them all, hey, this is the company I'm working with,

do some research. My aunt is a certified dietitian. So she's researching it. Most of my families into health, so they were into it. So they're checking out. Everybody wanted to try it out, brought it on the trip. Everybody did the protocol, took the Z-biotics,

and then we went wine tasting. And none of us, except for I think my aunt, one of my aunt's, everybody drank the wine. So you know when you go to wine tasting and you go from place to place to place all day long? After a certain point, you just taste the wine and you pour the rest out because you're smashed. Yeah.

Everybody just kept drinking it. They were all trusting that this thing was gonna work or whatever. Wow. That's a lot of faith, line faith. Yeah, so it was fun. We all got totally, you know. The health ambassador was there.

I mean, I feel they probably felt the same. That's right, dude. Like if he says it's good, it's good. So we all got totally smashed. We all got destroyed and smashed. And the next day I get messages from everybody. It feels fine, everybody's feel fine. And here's the same thing that we experienced.

Still had bad sleep, so it's not gonna fix that for you. You still need to make sure you got a drink water, but nobody got a headache, nobody felt that toxic and flame feeling, several of my family members. Asya, no throwing up. No, so and in a rad. Now you're still gonna get drunk,

if you take this, it's not gonna prevent alcohol toxicity, so don't be stupid, but everybody was totally fine. So I'm blown away. I'm like nine for 10. Everybody I know that I can give it to, that I know the drinks I give it to. And only one person has told me they didn't notice anything. But that's like that.

Or like I couldn't tell if it really helped or didn't. I mean, I wasn't hung over the next day, but I wasn't sure if it really helped out or not. Everybody else literally was like, holy shit. Yeah, where do I get it? And then I'm like sending it to him right away. Well, when we tested it, that was the, that was the clincher for me because. Oh, I haven't, I haven't drank like that since I right away. Well, when we tested it, that was the clincher for me because.

Oh, I haven't drank like that since I was 20. Well, we fucked up, it's what we did. We missed it worse than I was 20. We miscalculated the rules of the game that we were playing and we just went way too hard and that was the most fun thing. Too hard, too fast. I hadn't been in that drunk in 20 years, at least 15 to 20 years.

So, and the fact that I even woke up the next day and was able to come to work. Yeah. And I did work out. I didn't. That was impressive. So, go ahead. No, I was just going to say speaking of sponsors,

you would brought up something the other day about our other sponsor butcherbox, and you said that something about customer service, like what happened? Well, so butcherbox, I've gotten DMs from people about their customer service and how responsive and good they are. I've never had to use, have you guys ever had to message them for anything at all? I messaged them when I wanted to change my cadence of once a month to every other month and they were like fixed it right away.

Okay, so here's what happened to me, right? So I got my, so I'm on the monthly subscription. So every month my box comes and I have you know New York stakes in there and I think I have ribeye and Some some bacon and you know ground beef whatever and it just comes like clockwork Totally forgot that it was gonna come right when I was on oh you're leaving when I was in Maui I just ain't no remember did you? Okay, so the box came and the way the guy, the way where I live, either it'll get delivered

at my front door or it'll get delivered. For your garage. And for my garage. Hey, when they do that. I know, when it, when, and that's just the person delivering, right? When it comes in the front door, and I've had this happen before,

I have really cool neighbors, they'll see it, and they'll take my package or whatever, and I come home, they'll tell me. But there has been some, some mail theft in the area. I had never experienced this. It got delivered to the garage where a lot of people aren't gonna see. So I didn't expect to see it there when I got back

and sure enough it wasn't there. So must have got stolen or whatever. So I sent a message to the butcher box team and said, hey, I was on vacation. Just wanted to see what their protocol was. They didn't know that it was mind pump or whatever, just the customer, I was talking regular customer service person.

And they sent me into the box. Yeah, it's cool. Just like that. I told them this. No questions asked. No, someone stole it. Hey, actually, in fact, they sent me a long message that said, hey, we're really sorry that that happened.

Make sure you check to see if it's over in different places. Let us know what happened. I email them back. I'm like, no, it looks like it's gone. No problem. You're going to get tracking for another box. We're just going to replace it for you. What great customer service.

That's awesome. I had where, okay, so I'm doing this diet right now where I'm increasing the amount of meat I'm eating every day. So we upped our amount and we didn't see that in our box. And I just had to barely mention it. The next time was basically almost triple. It was like double the amount, but it was some extras in there with a bunch of bacon and a bunch of ground patties and all kinds of stuff for me to eat. So it was awesome. Now what is the most common piece of meat

that you're eating right now? Because you're doing like a hardcore elimination. Yeah, like strip steaks and primarily trying to eat as much steak as I can and then ground beef. And then I'm trying to cycle in like this week, some fish of salmon or halibut. Like we're trying to like get that somewhat in there. But mainly like it's literally just steak. Like it's much steak in the morning, you know, afternoon

and then you know, sprinkle in like right now I have like deli meats in between, which is kind of not, you know, great because it's all processed. So I'm trying to eliminate that, but like it just takes a lot of prep on, you know, grilling it all. I'm becoming a master at the grill though, I'm going to be honest.

I've been just destroying these steaks are so good. Is your heartburn symptoms, all that stuff gone? Nothing. Yeah, nothing, dude. Wow, wow. Yeah. It's crazy what you can figure out with an elimination diet. I was always blown away with clients when they would do that and see things like skin issues

or dandruff. I had a client once who had just issues with dandruff most of their life and they would control it with certain medications, stuff that the doctor gave them. And just through our own training, I had them do an elimination diet because I tend to do that with clients when I first start working, depending on the client.

And their dandruff went away. And we actually pieced together that there were certain, what was it? It was bananas, it was something really weird that was causing this issue that they ate all the time. So they cut it out and the dandruff went away. I never thought that food could affect the body and at that time, at least, in that way,

I was actually a bit in disbelief. So now, it's your strategy right now to just do it as elimination diet and then slowly start to introduce stuff or you're trying to follow it for a while. This is the second time you've done this now. So what's the plan here? No, yeah, that's the plan. It's going for another, like, I wanna do close to a month

and then I'm already gonna probably like three weeks more realistically and in the fourth week, I'm gonna start adding in vegetables one by one. And then just assess it from there. And then maybe like three, four weeks after that of just meeting veggies, then I'm gonna do go back to like the full balanced carbs, you know, fats. Are you doing it alone? Or are you in court?

He's doing it with me, which is good. I was actually doing this mainly to support her in wanting to do something outside of her norms. She's never done anything other than like drop, you know, reduce calories somewhat. So this is between that, we realized too that we're cutting alcohol out, which is one thing that she was like, I didn't really consider that part of it, you know? I'm like, yeah, done. Like, you don't think like meat and water, like, that's it, right? So it's already having like a dramatic effect with her and her bodies like responding. So it's pretty cool.

Like it's cool she's getting excited about that. And then just kind of using as a catalyst to then now pay attention, pay attention to what you're reintroducing, coming back into the diet, what how you respond to each one of those and what you can really take from that, going forward, what's benefiting you and what's not.

Now what is she noticing? You're saying her body, like did she have, was she having gut issues and stuff? Yeah, she was carrying like a constant bloat all the time. Yeah, she was very much pushed out and like it was like, she thought it was like a postural thing, you know, and like we were working on that quite a bit, you know, with her hip position and everything else.

And then it's just, it was just this thing that like, some days it was like it felt flatter, but for the most part it was always like this little push and this little pooch. And that's already getting like, like dramatically like tightened up. Oh nice. Sometimes I wonder like the results that people feel from this,

how much of it is in result of the all meat or if you were to actually track calorie wise. If it's a subreduction. Yeah, are you like, I wonder if it's taking somebody from 2,900 or 3,000 calories, which is probably somewhere around where you eat on a regular basis, then now you're eating 1,500. Totally.

And if you were to just say, hey, I'm gonna stick to a 1,500 calorie diet for X amount of time, would you potentially feel some of the similar effects? I'm always curious to that when I hear, you could make a great argument for that. I totally would buy into that, because in that's the other things. I think a lot of people that are like less attracted

to tracking would, you know, see lots of benefit with this because you eat and you're satisfied, but you're still really low calorie. Yeah. And that's really the benefit of it. I mean, for the most part, besides like you do get nutrients and everything from meat so it's not like you're super deficient.

But at the same time, like, you know, it's not the ideal way going forward. Well, that's how I felt about keto. I mean, I remember when we ran the keto diet years back, it was hard for me to get enough calories. The just constant eating high fat and protein and a lot of meat, a lot of red meat that we were consuming and buttered, and so at that, I was just satiated. I couldn't get it.

Califatigates you're pretty hard. You just don't want to eat more. And then what's funny is they make keto processed foods too. So people start snacking on those because then you can eat more. You know what I mean, right? Isn't that funny? That is funny.

Dude, are you guys seeing what's happening in San Francisco right now? No. So it's like a war zone there. Well, they're reaching some interesting levels right now. They're reaching peak insanity, I think. Walgreens is starting to shut down locations. And you know, Walgreens has a real strong presence in San Francisco.

Yeah. They're shutting them down because the laws and the policy there is to not go after people who are stealing for like under, I forgot what the amount was, like under $600 or something like that, was they gonna amount? So if you steal under that, you basically they don't do anything.

They slap on the wrist. Yeah, they don't do anything to you. So their car theft in break ins are through the roof. But what's happened now, it's a new thing. People are walking, and I just watched a video of this. My brother, he lives in San Francisco. He sent me a video of this. People are walking into Walgreens

with a bag, a plastic garbage bag, and just throwing shit in there. No, they're not. No, they're not. I believe they are. I'll find the video and I'll show you. They're literally just throwing it in there. No, they're not. Yes, they are. No, they're not. I believe they are. I'll find the video and I'll show you. They're literally just throwing, just taking deodorant or razors or whatever,

and they're going under the amount that they where they'll start to get in big trouble. And they'll just put it in their bags and then walk out and the people there can't do anything. If they try to stop them and get physical, they could get hurt or if they hurt the other person, they themselves could get in trouble. The cops are like what are we gonna do?

We arrest them. They're out that same day and they go back and do it. My brother says that he saw some of these guys doing this, dumping stuff in their bag, taking the bag, going around the corner, laying it out in the street and then selling them for like you know, do it around for 50 cents or a dollar or whatever, make you money out. So Walgreens is like, we're shutting down. If you guys aren't going to protect us, that city's going to become a wasteland. What?

Yes. Fuck. God of what? It's going on. Dude, it's, it's mad Max. It's getting really, it's getting really crazy. I mean, what is the desired outcome of, of, of setting a law like these? What are they trying to do or who they trying to protect by doing that? These are policies that that are feel good, sound good policies. For example, we don't want to arrest

people who are not hurting anybody but doing drugs on the street. We should leave them alone. So what's the result of that? Again, my brother lives in San Francisco. He's very successful, makes a lot of money. So it's not like he lives in a bad part of the area, whatever. But he'll walk outside of his complex, turn a corner, and he'll show me, he'll film it. And there's people just injecting themselves with heroin, right on the street, half naked, or taking a crap right there on the street, cops, right, rock, right, buy, don't say anything, don't do anything. He's like, dude, he goes, I don't know what to do, this place is getting crazy.

I just don't get, you know, people that live there love that place, dude. I don't get it. It's still, there's a culture. Sure. Oh, it's got so much coal. Oh, yeah, sure does. There's still some, look, there's some amazing places there. Still has some great stuff, but it's starting to,

to turn a little bit the residents there starting to get pissed off. You know, they have the city pays for groups of people. I forgot what they call them the poop patrol or whatever. And they're, yes, San Francisco's maybe Doug can Google this. San Francisco. Wasn't it you who told me that somebody was just like, takes a shit in a, in a, in a store. People were doing stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, and so again, you don't get in trouble for it. So they shut down like public restrooms or something that, but then they can't stop you from pooping.

So when I forget what you told me, right? No, just they just they don't, they're not persecuted. The cops are told that it's a low priority. So so they have these. This is how diseases spread. Big time, dude. Big time. This is why we have laws to prevent people from doing shit like this.

Well, California, like LA, for I think, has already gotten sued because LA's got a big problem with this sum of stuff too, because when they poop on the street, it goes right into the sewer, it doesn't get treated. Yeah. Washes out to the ocean, and then it's killing marine life.

And so environmentalists are like, what is someone happy about it? Oh yeah, look, look at that. San Francisco has a poop patrol to deal with its feces problem, and workers make more than $184 a year in salary and benefits. $184,000. $184,000.

Excuse me, $184,000. Did you have that poop patrol? Yeah, wow. We should apply. That's like well-paying jobs. Does that not sound like insanity to you? That your tax dollars are going to pay these people six figures to walk around and clean up human. That has to be bullshit. There's no way someone's getting paid a hundred.

Right here. All members of the city's poop patrol workers are entitled to $71,760 a year, plus an additional $112,918, excuse me, $112,000 in benefits such as healthcare and retirement savings, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. It just can't crazy over there. It's insanity. It's extremely bad. It's extremely bad. Not policy.

Now hearing that makes me think that there's like an underlining motives and it's really more about creating more jobs that we can tax more so you can pay. That's not a job you create, that's just a waste. That's tax money. I mean, you just created a job. There was no such thing as a poop patrol. I've never heard of a poop patrol. Well, that's what I mean. Now you have special interests.

And now you can pop patrol. That's a great cartoon. Now you can actually make six figures picking people's feces up. That's crazy. And what do you have to, what, what does someone have to do to you for you to take a shit in their store? Well, so, like seriously, like I've been pissed before, like I was just, when we were up at Tahoe just recently

and I was so mad we were waiting, I, this bothers me so much when you had a grocery store, especially when it's a busy one. And there's like two checkers. And the line, like was all the way down the aisle. Like, everybody's still just like putting stuff on the shelves. Yeah, just like I'm like, can't you guys call another checker or wouldn't you think that you would schedule

on busy weekends to have more than that? Like that almost made me take a shit on the floor. Yeah, that's that one. I'm on my way a little too long. Yeah, make me wait a little longer. I'm gonna shit on this floor right here. In San Francisco, you can, you can, Yeah, exactly.

Get away with this. No, illegal. No, they just elected an attorney general in San Francisco that said, and so what it is, it's their feel good laws. So the attorney general says, we don't wanna make homelessness a crime, right? Sounds good, right?

We don't wanna make it a crime. But what that really means is, they're not gonna go after people for pooping in the street, doing drugs, in public streets, right in front of people with dirty needles, leaving the needles on the floor. They're not going to do anything to enforce that kind of, or people doing petty theft because you know, you know, poor them or whatever. That is a crime.

Yeah, so it's, sorry. It's getting crazy. And it degrade everything just because it makes you feel better. And again, my cousins have lived there for 10 years. My brothers lived there for five, I think. And they're like the last few years it's gotten really, really bad. So it's gonna be interesting to see

at what point the voters there go, okay, hold on a second. Maybe we should not vote for the same idiotic policies. Oh, I know. I'm very conscious of this too, because it's even somewhat in Santa Cruz, and we just had like a whole voting thing, and so I'm looking at like, who has good ideas versus who has these same types

of ideas that they're doing up there. I already see how this is playing out up there, and I'm just like, okay, we need somebody that's gonna come in and be like, you know, have a hard stance on this kind of thing. Hey, did you use a mental illness issue? Did you send a message to us this morning about the Fed reducing rates?

Yeah, that was, as of the recording of this episode, they cut them down by a half point, I believe, in response to the coronavirus fears, which I think is, this has to be, it was already at an all time low. I think they raised it

and then they brought it back down. Okay, back down to where it was before. I think so, but it kind of sends a bad message. It sends a message that, oh, we are scared, we need to inject more money into the market. And you know what it did? It just flattened the market out.

It didn't even give us a big boost. The boosted for a second went back down and so it's looking a little iffy. So we'll see what happens. But again, it's election season. So they're gonna do everything they can to not show everything out of the hat. Well, what are your predictions like based off of who gets elected, what will happen to

the economy? If the Democrats win, and if it's someone like Bernie Sanders, the stock market will take what's fucked? I'm Matt. The stat, the stat, the stat will? The stock market will take a massive crash because he's gonna go after taxing and regulations and that kind of stuff. Elizabeth Warren, no chance she has in winning the nomination,

but let's just play, if she did. No, no, let's not even play her. Let's play Bernie, Biden, and Trump. That's really, and maybe Bloomberg, right? Well, you know what, I'm not sure when this episode airs, I think we'll know who the- I feel I wish to- I was in a mix. I feel like Well, you know what? I'm not sure when this episode airs, I think we'll know who the I feel I wish to lose the mix. I feel like economically, you have the best chances with either Trump or Bloomberg.

Economically. Bloomberg's probably not going to get it. Again, I don't know when we're airing this episode, so I think when this episode airs, we're going to know who the nominee is. Oh, that comes out this week. Yeah, today's Super Tuesday. Oh, yeah, we're recording this

when they're when they're going to figure it out. Super. Remind me what that is? Yeah. Well, that's when they they're they're going to figure out who gets the most delegates and who's going to be the nominee for the. It's not official though after today. It could be. Oh, really. I could be if it's like that much of a landslide or what? Yeah, but we're seeing Biden surge right now. So I think I don't think they're going to I don't think that the Democrat, the party's not going to is going to allow Sanders to win the nomination. That's my personal opinion. So I think it'll be Biden versus Trump. But well, no, well, when this airs, we'll see if my very extreme moves.

We'll see if my prediction is correct. So is that what, is that your prediction that we're gonna see Trump versus Biden? That's what I, that's what I think we'll probably have. Well, that's interesting because he looked like he was completely out of the race just like a month ago. It looked like... Well, what what'll happen what it looks like is starting to happen Yeah, explain how that can happen because what I was reading what I was watching was Biting at absolutely destroyed and Bloomberg's put pumped so much money into his he took a he went Skyrocketing and then it really came down to everyone saying that it's either Bloomberg or or Bernie Sanders and I thought Biden was completely out of this. So you're saying that he's got to

how that all. So you have to you don't just win the nomination by having a majority of delegates. You have to get a certain number. There's a number you have to hit and it's pretty much impossible for any of them to get the right amount of delegates, even if one of them's in the lead and wins a majority, they don't have the delegates. Then what happens is the super delegates can decide what happens, but here's what's looked like,

here's what it looks like is happening. And again, we'll see how well this podcast ages by the time it airs, but what it looks like is the Democrat party does not want a open socialist running as their nominee because that'll be a massive extreme left turn for the you know the left. Now who is saying that just to just the right is saying that all the all the the old school you know lifelong democrats lots of democrats and this you know that I know are afraid of

Sanders being the nominee. The party doesn't want someone that extreme. They don't think he has a, they don't think he has the power, the ability to get elected in a general election. He's never been asked really straight questions like, why was your honeymoon in the Soviet union or you're so against millionaires, but you have three mansions or stuff like that. Nobody's ever asked them that. So I think and not not only that, but socialism, even though it's more popular today than it ever has been,

generally speaking, for general election, it still would do very terrible. So they know he would lose. They think it would damage the party itself for electing him. So what I think might happen is that the other candidates who know they have no choice will convince their delegates to vote for Biden. So now you'd have Bloomberg and Warren and everybody else.

So I and the scenes they might work together to try and snub them out. To snub them out. And so then Biden will end up winning the nomination. But again, we'll see how well this episode is. Well, ages not having like any like affiliation with either party. Like when I got my ballot I'm like what I didn't have any options to vote for the presidential candidates Oh you for the not for the They don't trust me

Yeah, I was like what like what what is this I can do all like the you know the local community stuff But you couldn't do like the main like most important thing. Yeah, I don't know That's bullshit. We'll see. This quad brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health

the performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's o-r-g-a- 60 Days by Going to Organify.com That's a large G-A-N-I-F-I Dot com and use a coupon code Mind Pump for 20% off at checkout All right, a first question is from Jake Parker fit. Why do bodybuilders almost always seem to opt for strictly clean eating as opposed to a flexible Dieting approach I pick this question just to piss Justin off. Oh yeah, I got so much for this.

No, I think there's a good point here. First of all, we've talked before on this podcast and this person probably has not heard us talk about this, so I figured this would be a good topic for labels and fast food and eating food that you did not weigh, measure, and cook yourself can be off and can be dramatically off. You're talking 20 to 30% different from what the label says or what the fast food restaurant tells you.

When you are competing or if you're a bodybuilding, if you really take that shit serious, and you're tracking, weighing, and measuring, and you have, quote unquote, flexible dieting to where it allows you fast food every week inside your diet or a cheat day or whatever that in the diet on a consistent basis, really tough to be precise. I mean, there's no way, so I had like a, when I was competing,

I had a, I would say, I, you know, and I hate flexible dieting and all these terms and so that, but if we were gonna, if we're gonna use that, I had a flexible diet up until probably the last four to six weeks because I could still be off by 20% of my calorie intake and still be seeing progress. If I was, you know, changing my programming up really well, I was, you know, increasing my steps in movement

and slowly starting to restrict overall calories and I would be fine. Even if I was off, give or take 20 or 30% on a meal or two, it wasn't a big deal. But once I hit about four weeks out for sure, sometimes even about six weeks out, depending on how for sure I or how precise I needed to be or how far out I was body fat percentage, I would not do any flexible dieting.

I would cook and make everything that I was going to consume. And I would just, I get, it really comes down to how serious you, you take bodybuilding. If you want to be the best at it or you want to have full control of your results and know why or why not, you're not seeing the, the change that you should be. You don't take the chance of even Chipotle weighing, scooping your food in. Have you ever gone through a Chipotle line

and watched what one kid makes for your fucking burrito bowl and then what another one does? Yeah, I get the heavy handed kid and you get the... I memorize the heavy handed one. I'm like, I'm going when he's working. And what people need to understand is that the label that Chipotle or five guys puts up there, they have measurements that everybody is supposed to be following,

that those macro nutrients are supposed to be within 20 to 30%. But that doesn't take into account also that the kid who's been trained to scoop exactly a quarter cup is scooping a quarter cup is scooping a quarter cup. So not only can the macronutrients be off on the label because FDA allows that much flexibility for restaurants and labels, but then in addition to that, you have human error that's in there also.

So, I mean, I've done this before where I've taken a chipotle bowl and I've gone home and I've separated it out, I've measured it and waited and seen I mean we're talking like a three five hundred calorie swing That's fucking crazy. Yeah, and it's usually more. Yeah. Oh, yeah It's almost always because yeah the other direction. It's in the best interest of a food company to under Yeah, under report calories. So they'll put together their meal to get tested or whatever and they'll report 500 calories But then when they make the food, it's also in their best interest to give you more than the calories say and the reason why they do that is because You know you you get more food. You're more likely to buy more food. So Because you think it's more value

So that the the measurements can definitely be off. I mean one thing you need to understand about So that the measurements can definitely be off. I mean, one thing you need to understand about bodybuilding is of all sports I can think of off the top of my head, bodybuilding, nutrition plays the most important role in bodybuilding, more than any other sport, because with bodybuilding, when you're down to 3% body fat and you're on stage, a little bit of water retention can make you lose a contest. The difference between your muscles looking a little bit fuller can make you lose a contest.

This all boils down to precision. It's like precision engineering with your nutrition. An easy way to do that for a bodybuilder is to weigh and measure whole natural foods. They know exactly what's in it. And if you look at bodybuilders' diets, which by the way, I don't think anybody should follow a bodybuilder diet, except for a bodybuilder's competing, when you look at the meals and stuff that they post on social media, what you end up with, what you typically see are the same meal measured out five or six times.

So you'll see five or six containers of identical looking chicken, rice, and broccoli or something like that. And they may want it to be predictable. It is. So what they're doing is they're sitting down, they're saying, okay, I'm now I'm down to 6%, I got to drop 300 calories, I need,

this many grams of protein, this many grams of carbs, I need this much fiber and this much fat. And so then they take all the protein that they need and they just divide it by five. So one here, one here, one here, and they have all their meals planned out. It's definitely not a long-term approach for success. It's definitely can contribute to a bad relationship with food. I've met more than my share of ex bodybuilders and competitors who have really really bad Eating patterns after they stop competing because the only way they know how to eat aside from eat whatever you want is to eat that way

So it's like you're either you know extreme in one direction. It's on our off the wagon Yeah, or extreme in the other direction But if you look if you're confused about flexible dieting versus strict clean eating, real quick, easy breakdown, right? So flexible dieting, you're just trying to hit your macro targets, that's it. So I'm eating my goal is 100 grams of protein, 200 grams of carbs, 60 grams of fat.

And then I can, whatever I can put in that, as long as I hit those numbers, I'm all good. Bodybuilders do that as well, but the difference is the way they go about it is not by just throwing whatever they want. They will typically stick to whole unprocessed foods that they can fit within there, that they can measure what like Adam said with absolute, perfect precision. That in fact is what separates, oftentimes what separates the winner, first place from second place,

is was the first, the first place guy typically was more perfect and more anal about their food than the other guy. Well, the average, more anal please. The average American that, you know, we know everybody knows that the average American diet is terrible. So the average American that eats terrible, that decides they're going to flexible diet and diet, any diet in a sense is probably better than what they're

currently doing, is going to see pretty good results. And so there's a lot of room and a lot more flexibility for just the average person doesn't have to get on stage in exactly six weeks and present the best version of themself. So, who cares if they overeat by 300 calories one day and they stall their progress for a day? It's not a big deal if that person got the heavy-handed Timmy at Chipotle for that one day.

Like, it's not a big fucking deal. You're- You've got them heavy-handed. Yeah, I mean, you're still gonna, you're still gonna, if you're making good choices and you're trying to follow a macro, you know, your macros and you're even being off by 20% if you're doing everything else right, exercise

and staying in a calorie shoot to diet, you're probably gonna be just fine. But, you know, if you're a body builder, you're timing is everything. And you also gotta think about this, okay, when, you know, I've only only one time on my, I've gotten down to single-digit body fat many times, but I've never, only once that I ever get down below,

like, six, five percent, there's only one time. And the thing that tripped me out the most about, there's a lot of weird things, by the way, that happen in your body when you get that lean. And I was quite aware, I was an adult, you know, when I did it, and I remember tripping out over a few things. One of the main things that I tripped out over was this,

if you're 15% body fat and you go up by a half percent or a percent, you can't really tell, can't really tell that much. You're 4% body fat, you go up a percent, you just went up 25% more body fat on your body than you had before. Yes. Yes.

25% because 1% is a lot more when you only have 4% body fat than when you have 15%. So it was like, I had to be like, I had to be very, very perfect with my nutrition because I go up a percent, when you see the difference between a 4% and 5% body fat on stage is glaring. The difference between 15 and 16%, you can't tell at all. Not only that, but when you're really, really lean, water retention can look like it adds 2% body fat on you. Just stuff that makes you hold water. One thing that body builders are really, really exceptional at is identifying the changes

in their water and their body by foods. So you'll see a lot of bodybuilders like avoid Or you know zero calories soda says zero calories, but the Levoidum because like nah makes me hold water or they'll avoid you know protein shakes or other things that even though the calories are all calculated and it still will keep them the same Macros like nah if I when I eat that I don't look as Sharp and it sounds silly, but it's it's a real thing. I told I told you I tested this like I I did a prep where I allowed shakes and bars in every single day every single day. I had at least one or two shakes or bars And I had less whole foods and one or two shakes or bars and I had less whole foods and I died it for a show and then I had another show

where I didn't allow any shakes or bars and I did nothing but whole foods and the show that I did, all whole foods, I looked better. I can't explain it to you, I can't for sure tell you why that is, but you do. When you get that lean, you notice the most subtle differences. And for the average person, that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. No, you want to go based off of health, how the food makes you feel, does it make you want to eat more, does it make you want to eat less. But yeah, I think some of the stuff you'll hear from bodybuilders that sounds silly

to people who understand nutrition like, eating fish, thins the skin, right? You hear it from bodybuilders, you roll your eyes and like, what are you talking about? I think what they're talking about is that some people will eat only a certain food or avoid other foods and just notice they're holding less water.

They're just less inflamed. And it could very well be that they went from eating chicken to eating fish and that's what did it because there's a lot of very complex things that happen in the body. So builders are the most extreme dieters in the world and that's why you see them following a particular way of eating versus flexible dieting. Next question is from Travis Craft 24. You often mention cardio adaptation. Does our body get too efficient at basic human movement such as walking as well?

Okay, so I want to be really clear. I had this conversation with my, in fact, it was the day we went wine tasting, like I talked about the being of the episode. My cousin Alex was there, really, really smart kid, super successful in the tech world. And I love talking with them because he'll ask me questions about fitness and nutrition that are, they're just really good questions. They're good questions to be asked. So he says, you know, I listened to your podcast and you talk about how doing lots and lots and lots of cardio

and cutting my calories, slows my metabolism down. He goes, why is that a bad thing? And I said, it's not. It's not a bad thing that your metabolism adapts. I said, it can be a bad thing in And I said, it's not. It's not a bad thing that your metabolism adapts. I said, it's just, it can be a bad thing in the context of normal life where you have access to tons of food all around you and you're not that active. And so having a faster metabolism is just, it makes it easier for you to maintain a healthy body weight in this environment. But other than that, it's not a problem. So this cardio adaptation, and so here,

let me explain real quick what cardio adaptation is. When you do a lot of anything, your body gets good at it. And part of what it does to get good at it is it burns less calories doing it. So if you took, for example, two top athletes, one was a top level runner, like one of the best marathon runners in the world, incredible endurance.

The other one was a marathon swimmer and was the best in the world. So both exceptional cardio, exceptional endurance, phenomenal performance, and you tested their caloric burn when they did the sport that they're good in, and then you switched them. You had the runner swim and you had the swimmer run.

What you would find is they would actually burn more calories doing the thing that they weren't used to or that they weren't good at because their bodies weren't as efficient doing it. So doing lots of, and that's one piece of it. There's more than that as well because cardio burns lots of calories, doesn't require lots of strength.

One of the ways your body becomes better at it is by pairing muscle down and making you just this smaller, less muscle, less calorie burning, efficient machine. Not a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you want a faster metabolism, it's going opposite direction, right?

So does the body get too efficient at basic human movements? What do you mean by too efficient? There's no such thing. More efficiency is probably better. If you walk a lot, is that gonna slow your metabolism down? Compared to what? Let's say you walk seven miles every day because you're a...

Yeah, versus what, sitting down? Exactly. You walk seven miles a day because you're a male carrier. So now your body became very efficient at walking. Compare that to sitting all day, you're better off, you're far better off. Now compare that to lifting weights. You're gonna over time burn more calories,

lifting weights just through a faster metabolism type of deal. Or at least I should say maybe not burn more total calories, but burn more calories at rest because you have a fascial metabolism. So I wanna be clear because we talk about this all the time, and I don't wanna send the message that the natural metabolic adaptations that happen from doing certain activities or...

It's a bad thing. It's not a bad thing. It's your metabolism's acting exactly the way it should. Next question is from Ryan Megdans. How do you ensure you don't lose too much muscle when cutting? I'm very attached to the gains and don't want to see them go. There's research out that talks about this in regards to protein intake. This is probably when it's most important that you are hitting those upper limits

of your protein intake, at least in my opinion. Now, when you were competing at them, did you measure your lean body mass before you started your cut and then after to see? Oh yeah. So what would it look like and what would you do? What did you find that helped? So I mean, here's, there's two things that I did,

that not a lot of my peers I felt did a really good job. This is also I think one of the advantages that I had Many competitors would go into their cut and as soon as they're six or eight or some of them 10 or 12 week cut started Reduction of calories like crazy Intense cardio every single day and then that just got more and more intense and longer and longer as time went on every single day and then that just got more and more intense and longer and longer as time went on. Now what I knew about that, one thing that all bodybuilders did really well is protein. I mean, that's like been the magical macronutrient forever. We all know that it's what builds and hangs on to muscle. So most bodybuilders got that part right. So I've always did, I did that well, all of them did that well of keeping my protein at least to a one-to-one ratio.

Maybe I'd even push 1.5 as I'm cutting grams per pound, right? But one thing that I was careful not to do is knowing that I'm in a calorie deficit is I didn't wanna do a lot of cardio. In fact, I didn't do any high intensity or long duration or bouts of cardio until the final two weeks.

Everything up into that point was lists or walking. So it was all diet and exercise. Yeah, all of it was, I managed through, and when you do that, the theory is, I'm not, to like the last question we just talked about right now, is I'm not sending a signal to my body to become efficient at running in cardio because if I'm doing that like a lot of competitors are, I don't care how much protein you intake, the body eventually will start to pair down that muscle because it's

not advantageous for it to have it while it's running on a treadmill for two hours a day every single day. So I didn't want to send that signal to my body when I'm already in a caloric deficit So I would keep protein intake up high. I would avoid high intensity cardio while I'm also in a caloric deficit to me That's like a recipe for disaster when it comes to hanging on to muscle and for the most part I did really really good as far as keeping all the muscle that I built in the offseason or when I was bulking It's inevitable when you go to that extreme of a cut, like I would get to or getting down to 3% body fat on stage, I would always lose like a couple pounds, but that it would always come off

in the very last couple of weeks when I was like just, I began pushing extreme. As soon as I get to that final, when I would say like, you know, everything goes to the final two weeks. When I come into the last two weeks, then it's like, I'm doing as much cardio as I can. I'm cutting as hard as I can,

health in as in a healthy way as I can, because it's my final two weeks. And I just wanna shred everything off. And my body would respond because I hadn't done any intense cardio up in that point. But if I lost eight or 10 pounds in those final two weeks, it would probably be almost a 50-50 ratio. 10 pounds come off, I probably lose five pounds of muscle

and five pounds of body fat, doing it, but that's what it would take to get all the down to 3% body fat. But keeping it on, the two things that I coach clients on, and then how I would manage my own diet is high protein intake and when I'm on a calorie restrictor diet, I'm actually avoiding doing high intensity cardio. I think that's the mistake that a lot of people make when they're trying to shred down is they think that that's going to get to their results faster.

And they will see the scale move faster by doing that, but you risk pairing down muscle just as fast by doing that. Now, Justin, you have zero experience bodybuilding and dieting like that, but you have a lot of... It's a lot obvious. But you have a lot of athletic experience and working with athletes, and I know in football, you typically don't have to try to drop weight. Maybe some positions, but for the most part, it's not really... Yeah, for the most part it's not really yeah for the most part It's it's gaining weight

But what about other sports where people are trying to reduce because wrestling? Yeah, because because you're looking at look for wanting to keep muscle I mean athletes would want to do that too if you're trying to lose weight in Perform you don't want to lose muscle because that's what helps you perform Were there any strategies that you're aware of with athletes or was it similar to what you know kind of Adam It's not pretty similar to Adam kind of Adam was talking about? Pretty similar to Adam. I mean, for the most part, it was really concentrating on heavy weight lifting and that

was still part of the protocol, but it was manipulating carbohydrate intake for the most part and trying to lean out without bringing our protein levels up or your fat levels up and then reducing that down significantly. It wasn't really, you can't really expect an athlete to reduce all their cardio, because most of the skills, training and everything is a vital component. So I would actually switch that up just a little bit,

and I would actually with the athletes, we would do like shorter bouts. And so we would, we'd work some more explosive cardio. And yeah, and we would do sprints. And we do like, you know, with a salt bike. And we do, you know, a little, a little bursts, you know, as opposed to doing our long winded endurance, you know, component to that. So, and for me, it was about gaining weight when I was playing football. And so that was something where I wanted to gain weight. I didn't want to gain all fat. So, heavy weight lifting,

but for the most part, I was working a lot more on my endurance. Well, the studies that they do on this, and I'm talking about general population now, right? So with general population, they've done studies where they have one group diet, one group diet plus cardio, one group diet plus lift weights,

and let's see what happens. Believe it or not, the group that loses the most muscle is the group that does cardio and diet. They actually lose more muscle than the group that just diet. Now the group that diets and lift weights either loses the least amount of muscle, loses no muscle, and I've actually seen studies,

and this is probably because they had beginners in some of these studies, gain a little bit of muscle, which is very, very difficult thing to do. I would gain when I was on anabolic. When I'm on anabolic, and I was taking a stack of something while I was going in, I could actually, in a cut, put on muscle while I'm also... Well, so this brings me to the most important point that I think is more important than even having that, making sure your protein is super high, lift weights. That's the most important thing.

I keep that in the mouth. If you're losing weight and your primary form of exercise is heavy strength training, then the odds that you're gonna lose minimal muscle are highest. That's the most important, because it's sending a signal. Your body is trying to prioritize muscle

while simultaneously shedding body fat because you're in a deficit. And that signal has to be effective, appropriate, and loud. And in my experience, unless you're super advanced and you know what you're doing, the best way to lift when you're trying to diet for general pop, low reps, long rest periods, traditional strength training.

I also think there's a lot of value in scheduling a majority of your carbs and calories around your workout. Yeah, so if I'm in a cut and I know I'm only consuming, say, 2000 calories, so that would be a really dramatic cut for me back then, I would want to eat like a bulk of those 2000 calories leading up to the workout and right after the workout.

And that's just the fuel the workout. Yeah, it just, you know, the theory behind that is if I'm gonna be putting this physical demand, I was training pretty hard towards the end or heading into a show. So I know I'm training intensely, even lifting weights, I wanna make sure I'm very well fueled because I want my body to tap into that.

And again, not also pair down muscle to fuel me through a workout. So the theory is, okay, making sure that my glycogen levels are filled up. So I have that resource while I'm lifting and then right afterwards, when my body's like a sponge and want to absorb, I want to make sure I'm loading it full nutrients. Then I don't really care if, you know, from hours, you know, if I worked out at noon, but from hours five to eight o'clock, 10 o'clock at night, I had very little calories whatsoever

because I'm not doing anything. I'm laying around, I'm watching TV, I'm sitting at home, I'm not pushing the body and that pushing the body hard and also being calorically restricted is what, that's where people end up losing muscle mass. And it's not that the body burns the muscle because you're doing that. It's just that that's the signal you're sending.

You're saying like, we've got no fuel, plus you're trying to push it really hard. So it's going to adapt and get efficient at that. And I don't want to do that. If I'm going to push the body, I want my body to know that it has reserve or calories or something there to utilize. So I don't send that signal.

Probably one of the most important things you can do when you're losing weight, one of the most important things you can monitor is muscle mass. If you can prevent yourself from losing muscle mass while you're getting leaner, you're probably doing a lot of things right. That's a very important thing. If you just do that, the way I would do it with clients

is either through body fat tests or just are are you strong, how's your strength? If we're losing weight and you're losing a lot of strength, uh oh, we're doing something wrong. But if we're maintaining strength or I see your muscle mass not going down and you've lost five or 10 pounds, we're doing the right stuff. Next question is from JP 94.

What would you consider to be the big four cardio machines? For horsemen of cardio. Actually, this is an interesting, this is kind of a cool question. Yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna scare everybody right now. Whoa. But I'm gonna talk about the most important form of cardiovascular activity that you could probably do. He's all political.

But there is a caveat to what I'm gonna say, There's gonna be a little bit of a disclaimer, okay? Of all of the physical, all of the things that humans do physically, all of the things that we can do with our bodies. There's very, very few things that we can do that put us towards the top of the animal chain. What that humans are really, really good at. I mean, we put in a suck physically for everything,

except for like two things. One is we can throw with accuracy. No animal can do that better than humans, naturally. We do that naturally. The other one is run for distance. Humans evolved to run for distance. And you can clearly see it in the way that we're built. We have these really, really big knee joints.

Most animals don't have knee joints that are as big as ours. You look at other primates that are not built this way. We have these really muscular feet that seem to be designed to absorb shock. We have really big glute muscles for primates. There's no other primates don't have big in comparison to their body weight or the rest of body. We have these massive glutes that are designed to propel us

forward. We are on two legs so that helps us maintain heat or whatever and we know when we observe modern hunter gatherer societies because there are a few in The world that exists today that still are hunter-gatherers that we can watch how they hunt and the way that they hunt is probably the way that humans always hunted before we we can watch how they hunt. And the way that they hunt, it's probably the way that humans always hunted before we discovered agriculture and farming. Okay, besides that, Jesus pick your car, yeah, you can pick your car,

you'll go to the historical dissertation. I gotta make my case. I gotta make my case, because I'm gonna shit on it no matter what. I gotta do it. I gotta make my case. The case I'm making is for running. So running is the most important form of cardiovascular activity.

The problem is it's very complex. Nobody knows how to run. And so we don't treat running like a skill. When we decide we want to run, it's all about how tired can it get, how sweaty can it get, how far can I go? And so because of that, running all the technique to it that you need to learn.

It's extremely complex. Humans used to grow up running. And so it was just a natural thing. We don't do that. And so because we don't do that, and we think we're going to go out and run, and we think oh, we're going to, and we end up getting hurt. And so running has got the worst injury rate among all forms of cardio. But if you can do it, and you've got the skill for it, and you're looking for just general

health, and you do it right, that one I would put is number one. That was a long put is number one. That was a long explanation for a treadmill. It's all right. Can't do that. Well, what do you like? You like road running, you like trail running, you like what kind of running?

I think outdoor running would be all right. Well, the question is, well, the question is machine. So you just did that long old thing to talk about. Well, we can do a treadmill if you had to, but that was the outdoor. Like a self-propelled treadmill. They have those these days. I actually enjoy those.

Oh, really? What is that? So like instead of it dictating how fast you go, you dictate on it. You've ran on one. Oh, I know. I just have one with a little track. I know exactly.

I know exactly. You got four, Justin? Yeah, yeah. So I am actually going a totally different route than that. Like I was thinking more for what it promotes. So for explosive power output, I'm thinking like a jump rope. I think there's just so much benefit to learning jump rope, learning timing, learning that stretch reflex, and then also getting a crazy cardio output because of that.

I also like the assault bike, and that's something I can do. That's a little less damaging on the joints. to like, I like the Assault Bike, and that's something I can do that's like, a little less damaging on the joints. It's something that I can really put, like max effort into, and I could sprint, and I can burst, and I could back off, and I could, you know, I could do list type cardio with it. There's a lot of versatility there.

So there's two, and then I also like to, this is not a machine, but I like to do hill running. So hill sprints for me is like, that's, I mean, that has to be in my top four because it's something I always did with my athletes and it just built a lot of good strength and, you know, fast twitch type strength going up the hill that applies great for the field. What was my fourth one? Fuck, come back to me.

I think maybe it was the Versa climber. Versa climber. Oh, that one's nasty. Yeah, because it's just hard and some ladder. Yeah, that, yeah, either Jacobs out of the Versa Climber. Versa Climber. Oh, that one's nasty. Yeah, because it's just hard. Jacob's ladder. Yeah, either Jacob's ladder, the Versa Climber. One of those. Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna be even more specific.

I'm gonna give you swimming, running, rowing, stairmaster, two, two weeks of each. And here's my theory on this. Sal made a point on a question we talked about earlier. If you took a swimmer, a high level swimmer, a high level runner, and our goal is to, the greatest calorie burn, you took both of them and you had them switch at what they were doing,

they would see the most extreme amount of calorie burn, right? We can all agree on this, okay, because their body is adapted to that. And studies will show it takes the body about two to three weeks to start to become very efficient and adapted to no matter to any cardio modality. So whether that's swimming, running, treadmill, stairmaster, no matter who makes the long ass case for why there there's is the best, it's no longer the best after about two weeks. So you're you're going from a calorie burn. Exactly. I mean, when someone asked me a question

about best cardio machines, why do you why would you ask that? You're wanting to be, I want to burn the most body fat. That's the thinking athletic performance. I'm not thinking. I know neither one of you want that way. That's why I want. It's good. I want the right way, right? So, it's what I. So, you think people should do tons of cardio to burn body fat? No, I do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, two, two, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks, two weeks of each one of those and rotating, right? So, and you could technically go eight weeks and rotate one every single day and we would study as with show would probably be about the same. But, you know, I like to stick on one of those push and get good at it as I'm just starting to get good at the rowing.

I'm moving over to swimming. Just as I started to get good at swimming, I'm moving over to the running. Just as I start to get good at swimming, I'm moving over to the running, just as I start to get good at running, I'm moving over to the stair master, and that will show some of the greatest calorie burn when we're looking at trying to burn body fat in the shortest amount of time. Those are the four, and you could easily take stair master

and replace with Jacob's ladder, like Justin was alluding to, I could easily make the case with that. I think all of us would, I think all of us put running in there. So, Sal's long ass case for running is true. I think we all agree on that. I mean, overall endurance. I think you're not going to beat running. And I've actually, so I actually, I took, I wasn't able to do this with swimming as it's

in the water, but back when the body bug was the first, like, real, you know, a tracker that was, like was somewhat accurate in comparison to what's out there. I geeked out and got up at the same time, six o'clock in the morning, every single day, and I went through all the gym and I tried all the different pieces of cardio equipment. You actually, what's surprising is the electrical actually burned up some of the highest, which I thought was really fascinating because I felt the easiest because there's no... How are you measuring the burn off a body bug?

Oh, just the body bug. Yeah, yeah. The body bug would kind of guesstimate what I was burning and that was. Now, my theory behind why it would do that is because my arms are pumping and moving. And it's registering the movement. Yeah, it's registering the movement of my arms in addition to the heart rate elevating where if you're on a stair master, the arms are still. So that's the theory behind that why I didn't throw a lipicle in there.

But I doubt it's swimming and running. Swimming and running are two like the most complicated things that you could do as far as cardio. And that's part of why I think it's one of the best for calorie burn too, because to get adapted to running because it's so technical, it you get it and that the impact of the body running on, on asphalt, or even a treadmill is going to promote a high calorie burn and then just as your body starts to adapt to that transferring over and over.

Yeah, I don't like to teach people to think about cardio as a calorie burn just because I know how ineffective it can be for that and especially for the average person. I typically like to teach cardio for performance or longevity standpoint. When it comes to longevity, swimming is my favorite. Well, the truth. If you want like overall, joint integrity, longevity, in my, because I trained a lot of people in advanced age,

and I also trained a lot of very fit, healthy people in advanced age, and the form of exercise that they did for cardio wise, that they did all the time, that they were able to do forever was swim. It was just easy on the body. Obviously the water is very forgiving. Yeah, I don't think I had less endurance type athletes too.

So my brain is typically gonna stick with things that are I can do in bursts and I can do in short term. And I can apply like max effort in in a controlled setting. And it also translates the best to the field. So those were those, that's where that came from. In terms of my list. Then those were all great answers, because if you come from Sal's longevity perspective

and you're gonna speak to that, I have no qualms with the case that you're making and I agree with you. If you're gonna go from the athletic performance angle, I'm gonna totally agree with what you're saying right now. And if you're talking about looking for the greatest calorie burn for change in the body and physique aesthetically, it's hard for you to argue with what I said

as far as changing up the whatever modality you're doing because no matter who's right out of the two of you, the body is gonna get efficient at that. And yes, it might promote better joint health, longevity, heart strength. It's not gonna promote calorie burn after you've done that for six weeks. You've been running outside. You've begun to put them very efficient.

But at the end of the day, you could do cardio to the Caluscom home, but it is really hard to burn calories. It's really easy to eat them. And so, and I want to make this point. It's a losing game. It's a losing game to look at fat loss from a cardio perspective. It's very difficult. You can go do an Hour of pretty hard cardio and you're gonna burn what three to five hundred calories maybe

That's easy to eat. I could eat three to five hundred calories in a one minute You know, I could drink it But that's why you keep that that two-week sort of window in mind and that's why I so I speak to it as I don't I Love to assign cardio for somebody who's two weeks out from something. So you're just gonna do two weeks. Yeah, if you call me up and you're like, Adam, I got two or four weeks, right?

We're talking about, I got a month before I gotta be somewhere. And I don't care about longevity, I don't care what's healthy or what's best for me. Can you get me the most shredded as possible from now's then? Absolutely, I'm gonna utilize a tool like cardio. Do I think that's the best approach? Long-term?

Hell, no. You know that we all pitch, none of us are cardio queens in here, that all of us promote weightlifting and... And cardio queen. And cardio queen. And it's a... But there's not a single body builder or somebody who gets on stage and presents those words. No, those are words. It doesn't utilize cardio.

Yeah. Do you guys remember when ellipticals hit the gym? Do you guys remember those when those first came to the gym? They came out of no words for days. And just totally, totally blew up. Yeah. Anyway, with that, go to mindpumpfree.com and download our guides. They're all totally free.

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