Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1265: How to Develop a Winning Mindset

Episode Date: April 6, 2020

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin discuss how anyone can train their mindset to improve their life. How you do anything is how you do everything. (4:45) The driver of self-hate vs the driver of sel...f-care. (14:30) Differences between motivation and discipline. (27:18) Growth vs fixed mindset. (39:25) The significance of re-framing your perspective. (46:00) How to train and develop a winning mindset. (50:55) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Promotion: MAPS Prime/Prime Pro ½ off! **Code “PRIME50” at checkout** Special Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!! **Code “WHITE50” at checkout** Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Social Media and Suicide: A Public Health Perspective Understanding celebrity suicides: Tackling depression and loneliness Balancing Order and Chaos | Jordan B Peterson & Akira the Don New Study Shows Where ‘Growth Mindset’ Training Works (And Where It Doesn’t) Lewis Howes - amazon.com How Psychedelic Drugs Can Help Patients Face Death The Surprising Health Benefits of Hot and Cold Hydrotherapy (Showers) Meditation: A simple, fast way to reduce stress Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan B. Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Lewis Howes (@lewishowes)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we talk about the most important factor to achieving long-term fitness success. In fact, if you do good with this one factor, your odds of success are extremely high, even if you have no knowledge about exercise and nutrition, we are talking about mindset.
Starting point is 00:00:36 Your mindset is literally everything. Now, we learn this as personal trainers. After years and years of training clients, we could clearly see the divide between clients that achieve long-term, healthy success and those that were sporadic with their success. So we talk about all the different factors that we've observed in our clients with the right kind of mindset. We talk about the driver of self-hate versus the driver of self-care.
Starting point is 00:01:02 We talk about the difference between motivation and discipline. We talk about growth mindset versus fixed mindset. And then of course, we talk about how to train your mindset because it just doesn't happen overnight. And of course, it's all gonna take time. It takes practice, you will stumble, but if your practice consistently, you'll do very, very well. Now, this episode is sponsored by one of our favorite sponsors,
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Starting point is 00:04:51 I'm starting out. This is the first week and the first day actually, where I felt like I could push it a little bit, get a little bit of a pump. I'm staying in the low reps and all that stuff because my stamina's still low. And when you're getting that good workout zone, you just have to have a lot of good ideas.
Starting point is 00:05:07 And I was just thinking, what's the most important thing? We've communicated this on the podcast several times, but what's the most important thing that somebody can work on and focus on that will contribute, that has the greatest odds of contributing to success when it comes to fitness.
Starting point is 00:05:28 The greatest odds of contributing to long-term, healthy, fit, build muscle, burn body fat, stay lean, stress-free, lifestyle, a fitness. Easily, number number one by far, and again, we've mentioned this on the show so many times, is mindset, the mindset that you have around fitness, and this actually took me as a trainer a long time. It took me a long time to really realize this. I think initially when I first became a trainer,
Starting point is 00:06:01 I thought that the most important thing was, just do what I say, die it, is the most important thing was just do what I say, die it is the most important thing, work out the right way, that's the most important thing, you know, I got to get you all hyped up and motivated. After training for, it probably took me, I would say six, seven, maybe even longer years, that I really started to see a divide between my clients and I started to realize that the most important thing that I could started to see a divide between my clients and I started to realize that the most important thing that I could focus on as a trainer and working with my clients, it wasn't teaching them how to exercise properly,
Starting point is 00:06:32 it's still important but it wasn't the most important thing. It wasn't teaching them macros and calories in versus calories out. It was all about working around and we've mentioned it as psychology, the psychology of it, but it really has to do with mindset. It's interesting because you do think about mechanically what you can do to kind of provide answers for your client coming in. And this is something that I've, I definitely got caught in like I can do this and we can do these exercises, I can restructure your nutrition plan so it makes sense for your lifestyle, blah, blah, blah, all the stuff.
Starting point is 00:07:11 And it's like the further you get in terms of your career, you start making your way up to the mind and really getting into the psychology and the behaviors. And that has just so much more impact on everything else. And it all trickles down from there. And it's like, why don't we start there? It's just a lot of times we don't like initially think that it's as powerful as it is. Well, I love this conversation.
Starting point is 00:07:35 One of my favorite things to read is psychology. And what you see with this is of all the things that we talk about, how fitness parallels so many other aspects of your life. This is the part that does that the most. Yeah. Like if you have somebody, right, and that's why one of my favorite quotes is how you do anything is how you do everything.
Starting point is 00:07:59 And so if you have, if you have that client that we've all had, that just has the right mindset and approach and listens to everything you tell them to really takes heed to the advice that you're giving them, really approaches their fitness goals with the right mindset. It never fails. That same person kills it in business, kills it in relationships, kills it in all other
Starting point is 00:08:22 aspects of their life because they have that, they have the right mindset and approach to their fitness and it applies to every other aspect of life and the ones that are kind of a mess that you're constantly having to remind and kind of constantly speaking to their thought process and the way they're thinking. Those are all the ones too that are all scattered everywhere else in their life. Isn't it funny though that you'd get clients like that like very sporadically and you get so excited. Like, oh they get it!
Starting point is 00:08:49 Yeah. Like they're doing everything. Oh, and you don't realize like you can train that part to the other clients you don't come in with that, you know, type of mentality. That's what took me so long to realize because I just thought, oh this client over here is just doing what I say more and this one doesn't. Yeah. And then I realized that mindset is the source. realized, because I just thought, oh, this client over here is just doing what I say more, and this one doesn't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:06 And then I realized that mindset is the source. It's the root of all the success that you get, long-term consistent success that you get in fitness. And what you said, Adam, was that, I'd learn that through training kids. When I would train teenagers, and this happened later on, you know, I'd be training clients and they'd be parents and eventually they liked what I was doing a lot and they had kids themselves and say, hey, would you mind training my son? He's 15 years old or can you train my 17-year-old daughter? And I would.
Starting point is 00:09:37 And I would, they would always come back to me and rather than commenting and complimenting me on the kids fitness success, which you know, that would happen too, but that wasn't the thing that stood out. It wasn't like they came to me and rather than commenting and complimenting me on the kids fitness success, which you know, that would happen too, but that wasn't the thing that stood out. It wasn't like they came to me and said, wow, my kid is so much stronger. I can see my son's abs now when we go swimming or my daughter's posture.
Starting point is 00:09:55 They would say that sometimes, but the thing that blew them away the most was all the other stuff. They would come up to me and say things like, my kids doing better in school now, they're picking different friends. My son doesn't seem to be succumbing to pre- or pressure anymore. I had one kid that I trained, 16 year old boy, wasn't doing good in school,
Starting point is 00:10:17 had issues with marijuana. In fact, parents were contemplating sending them to one of those camps where they kidnapped you in the middle of the night and take you off in the woods or whatever. You ever hear those? I had a girlfriend, a tearful. To their brother. Crazy, right?
Starting point is 00:10:29 So they were actually contemplating that. And the step before that was, let's get him fit and see what happens. They have these conversations with the parent. And he did, he stopped, first he started cutting it back, then he stopped, and it's not like I talked to him about it. It's like I sat down and talked to him and said, hey, you shouldn't smoke weed.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Hey, you should get your grades. It was communicating mindset through fitness and what I love about fitness is it's such an easy way to communicate it, like telling a 16 year old kid to not smoke weed, that's a tough conversation. Good job, I mean, good luck trying to do that. Talk into a 16 year old kid about mindset and why that's gonna help them them become fit, easier sell.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Then when they gain that mindset, then it bleeds over into everything else. I'll make this statement right now, and this is when I want to really hit home for me. Clients who had zero knowledge about fitness, nutrition, and health, but who had the right mindset consistently outperformed my clients that had lots of information, but had the right mindset consistently outperform my clients that had lots of information but had the wrong mindset. It was like night and day. I knew I could tell, I could see. Clearly, this person is gonna be successful.
Starting point is 00:11:35 This person knows a lot. You know, we would sit there and discuss nutrition and exercise and they've been working out forever and work with trainers forever. This person's not gonna succeed. And I would see it, in fact, that's how I started hiring people as a manager later on. I stopped hiring people based off their experience and started hiring people based off the mindset. Somebody has no experience with the right mindset. Succeeds almost every single, that's why it's so important.
Starting point is 00:11:57 And you're right. Like I saw this with some of my younger clients, one of them being a student that was like trying to get back into school and had a really hard time studying and had a really low self-esteem. And, you know, and this was like a mindset that he carried with him through basically everything, like didn't, you know, apply that towards relationships with girls and all these types of things. And it's just, it's just really interesting to watch, like everything that transpired after
Starting point is 00:12:27 this quest to self-improve. And it just started with the body and just trying to, you know, each and every day try to try to do something to, you know, improve the strength and improve the movement and all this. And then, you know, lead to then, you know, being able to start on the rugby team, get back into school, has a girlfriend, like it's just like this little, you know, this root that you build off of from there.
Starting point is 00:12:56 It's like it's this microcosm for the rest of the life. Well, just think about all the attributes that made a successful client. And when you look at those attributes and then you unpack it, it always leads back to mindset. 100% example, consistency. I think we would all agree that one of the most important things for a client to see incredible results, change of a Z, hit their goals, is just pure consistency. Now, is that client the one that's super consistent? Are they seeing
Starting point is 00:13:25 more results than the other client that's struggling with that? No, they're not seeing any more. If both have got 12 days of consistency down, is one necessarily seeing more results than the other one? No, it's just that the one that has the right attitude understands, like, hey, this is going to be a process. It might take me a little longer to do this. My coach or my trainer is telling me, I gotta be consistent with it. I'm gonna stick to the plan, I'm gonna stay consistent. And because of that, and that's the mindset that's allowing them to do that.
Starting point is 00:13:52 And you can go through every other part of training consistency. The ones that everybody ends up slipping up on a diet. Nobody runs it. No one is perfect. Unless I'm training a competitor that is paying for their food to be monitored for them, average people that are trying to get in shape. Everybody has pitfalls or setbacks, but it's the ones that beat themselves up over it
Starting point is 00:14:15 and then spiral out of control from that. And then those are the ones that don't have the success. The ones that look at it go like, oh, it was a hiccup. Tomorrow I'm back on. I'm good. That have that attitude. Again, I'm gonna unpack that. That's their mindset that they can apply to that. Totally. So one of the biggest, easiest ways to communicate this is through the initial drive or the impetus for working out.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I went through this change myself. What I'm about to talk about, I not only saw in my clients, and this is something that if you've been training people for a very, very long time, you learn this first through your clients, then you apply it to yourself later on. I've said this many times,
Starting point is 00:14:58 trainers tend to train their clients and tend to be far more aware of how to get their clients to their goals than they are with themselves. And I experienced this again myself. Now, my initial impetus, what really got me to start working out, if I really boil it down to the root, was I hated my body. I didn't like it. I was really skinny.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I was a skinny kid. Insicuritus. Insicuritus. You know, I heard all the comments, you know, you know, bony and you know, stick legs and whatever, skeletons, back when he man was around. Skeletor, yeah. That's a good one. And it got to the point where if you just set the word skinny,
Starting point is 00:15:36 it was like, you know, like an ice pick, you know, and my gut, like I hated it. So that was my initial impetus for working out. Now self hate can be a very powerful motivator. Definitely can, but that road leads to failure. Because what it leads to and what it led me through were workout methods that were too intense, workout methods that served more as punishment
Starting point is 00:16:01 than they were as things that would help me. It was more about punishing my body, hating my shoulders, killing my shoulders, hating my chest, destroying it, like just not liking my body. It led to feeding myself through motivation of self-discussed. You're so skinny, force-feed. You're so skinny, take these supplements. Don't give a shit about if which one's healthy, which one's not healthy. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I just hate myself. It drove me to make a lot of bad decisions. Now in extreme cases, the way that self-hate looks in some people is anabolic steroids for men, plastic surgery for women. And the problem with self-hate is it never, ever, ever ends. It never ends, we never get satisfied. No, we all know the guy that takes tons of gear, four speeds himself, he's 240 pounds, he's jacked, he's not, he hates it, hates the way he looks, still still skinny, I need more, I need more, I'm gonna push my, or the other person who,
Starting point is 00:17:01 plastic surgery after plastic surgery after procedure, and it's never enough, that road is a road to failure. And I saw it with my clients, and I definitely saw it with myself. Well, I want to make it clear though that it's not as obvious as it sounds like the way you're presenting it right now though. Like it doesn't present itself as like, like I know you didn't do this, and I know I didn't do this. I wasn't like, oh, I hate myself.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Like, I didn't have, I was a positive person. I was confident too. It's insidious isn't it? Exactly. It's such a deep rooted insecurity that it really motivates the behaviors, but it wasn't like I was having this talk. Like, I didn't go in the gym.
Starting point is 00:17:40 You're not looking at the mirror like that. Yeah, no. I was like, I looked in the mirror and said, like, I'm gonna go train hard. I was positively looking at the mirror in life, right? Yeah. No, I was like, I looked in the mirror and said like, I'm going to go train hard. I was positively motivating myself to go do it, but it was rooted in an insecurity. Yes. Yes. And so that, and that's what makes it so hard.
Starting point is 00:17:54 Yeah. And Sidious is the right word for it, because that's what it is. It's not something that is so surface level and clear that someone listening right now is like, Oh, yeah, no, I don't have that, because I don't talk to myself that way, or I'm not, no, you have to really unpack your behaviors and go like, why am I doing those things? Now, here's why it's so insidious, because a lot of the behaviors that come out of that
Starting point is 00:18:14 can be looked at as positive. Yeah, positive, what do you mean? I'm working out, what do you mean? I'm just eating healthy, you know, what do you mean? I'm just pushing myself, like that's a good thing. Well, I know the obvious one is definitely like your body and image and visually what you look like, but it can also take the form
Starting point is 00:18:31 of being inadequate in terms of, my performance isn't as good as my competitors. I'm worthless because I can't perform this specific thing, or my game was shit because I didn't do what I was supposed to do. And like, that used to drive the hell out of me. And didn't realize that that was something that like overly consumed my thoughts, even so when I was in off season,
Starting point is 00:18:55 or I had a really bad performance would carry with me. And then that mentality, then when I'm not playing sports, that does not serve you. That is not a good that does not serve you. That is not a good mentality carry on with you. Sure, it seems like it does because it does produce. If you're really hard on yourself and you want to hammer things out and improve and get better for that reason, you can get so far, but when you make a mistake, it really sets
Starting point is 00:19:23 you back. It does. Think about it this way. And by the way, self-flagulation and self-punishment can actually feel good when it's rooted in hate because you get this feeling of satisfaction. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. It's like, you know, you're,
Starting point is 00:19:40 and maybe this happened here, right? You're, you're, you're binge, you ate a burrito, a bunch of tortilla chips and cookies and stuff. And you're like, oh, after you're here, right? You're bingeed, you ate a burrito, bunch of tortilla chips and cookies and stuff. And you're like, oh, after you're done, right? After you're done with the mindless eating, you start to feel shame and disgusted. And you're like, you know what, tomorrow? I'm gonna go to the gym and I'm gonna fuck shit up.
Starting point is 00:19:55 I'm gonna go on the treadmill and I'm gonna, and then you do, you go to the gym and you beat yourself up so hard you almost throw up and you're super, super sore. And I feel satisfied because now you beat down that shame. That leads to destruction. And using myself as an example, this happened in my, this was in my late 20s, early 30s.
Starting point is 00:20:15 This was after I'd already been working out for 15 years and after I'd already been training people for over 10 years. And the way I'd learned this was my body literally rebelled. I was forced. I developed severe gut health issues. I'd lost 15 pounds. Couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong.
Starting point is 00:20:33 He'd go into doctors. And here I was insecure about my body. And now I'm losing 15 pounds. I thought I knew everything of diet and exercise. And I had to force myself to stop caring about the way I looked. I had to say to myself, I don't care how I look. I just of diet and exercise. And I had to force myself to stop caring about the way I looked. I had to say to myself, I don't care how I look, I just want to get healthy, I'm over this.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And then I focused on health and what that led me to was, I'm gonna need to work out to take care of myself. My body needs to be taken care of. I need to eat in a way that takes care because it's obviously not healthy. After a year of that, I healed my body and I had this huge realization. I'll
Starting point is 00:21:06 never forget what one of the strategies I had leading into this was I stopped paying attention to my image, my reflection in the mirror. I just didn't look at myself. And by the way, this is not that uncommon. I've trained many, many people who really obese or whatever. And they tell me I just I don't, I don't look in the mirror. I don't really pay attention to how I look. I don't take my clothes off and stare at myself. I avoid that. Well, I did that. And in that year, I was at a friend's house.
Starting point is 00:21:30 We were going swimming and I went to the bathroom and I caught a glimpse of my body off of the reflection of another mirror, so it wasn't something I could avoid. I just saw it. And for the first time, I looked at myself and I realized something that blew me away. I looked better than I did before when I was just beating the shit out of myself and that's when I realized holy cow motivating myself through self-care,
Starting point is 00:21:52 not only feels better emotionally, it actually produces better results because you're more likely to make the right decision. Somebody who goes to the gym motivated motivated by self hate, and let's say you go to the gym and your hips are sore, your knees hurt. You may say to yourself, I'm going to blast through that, I don't care. I need to change this body. Somebody who has a self care mindset will go to the gym and say, my knees are sore, I think I need to work on mobility. I think I need to change my exercise order, which incidentally produces better results. It's an example of how that mindset switched. It's smarter.
Starting point is 00:22:29 It's smarter, you work out better, your nutrition is better more consistently, and you suffer from less of those extreme, you know, on one end I'm highly, highly focused and disciplined because here's what happens to it at some point. At some point you can't hate yourself anymore. At some point you're sick of hating yourself, and then you say this how many how many times have you guys? Yeah? How many times have you guys heard this from a client? You know, I don't care. I just want to enjoy myself
Starting point is 00:22:52 I just want to I just want to have fun. I just want to love you know eating cup Yeah, I just want to live life. You know why people say that you know why you may have said that because hating yourself after a while Sucks and it feels like it feels like an escape. When you finally get off of it, you're like, fuck it, I just want to live my life. It's because you were hating yourself. When in reality, taking care of yourself feels good. It always feels good. You don't have that opposite approach. I love the point that you make that it promotes bad behaviors when it comes from this place. And I love that, again, this is so parallel to other parts of your life, like what comes to mind for me personally
Starting point is 00:23:30 is I think of like much of my financial success in my 20s was deeply rooted in my insecurities of what I came from. I didn't wanna be poor. I didn't wanna be in the situation that my parents were in, and and that and it got me really far And that's what's so dangerous about this is and I think examples and fitness We see this a lot with some of the the greatest fitness physics that we see out there
Starting point is 00:23:57 Most a lot of those people have some of the deepest rooted insecurities. That's what drove them to that level. They've been So insane about it for so many decades that they've built this incredible shell of a physique that's hiding these deep insecurities. And I think of all the decisions that I made financially because I was projecting my own insecurities. I wanted other people to know that I had made it, and I'm wealthy, so I was spending money on my friends. And it started to do all these other things
Starting point is 00:24:26 that had cascading effects that ended up backfiring on me years later, all because it was driven from the insecurity of I didn't want to be poor, I didn't want this to happen. And then when that got flipped, it completely changed my whole financial situation because it no longer was that important to me, and it wasn't driven
Starting point is 00:24:45 from the insecurity. So it's not just what we see with bodies and fitness and image, but other aspects of your life. And that's why I always tell people that many times your greatest strength is also your greatest weakness, not just in the gym world. And when you learn to look at it like that, you learn so much more about yourself. Like, yeah, I'm really successful is celebrating all your success, anything about, you know, how often do we ask ourselves, like, well, why am I really good at this?
Starting point is 00:25:16 Or why am I so successful at this? Am I happy for real? Right. And, and, and, because that's what we find a lot too, is we, everyone, we set these goals, whether it be personal financial fitness goals And we drive so hard at them and a lot of times people This is where like depression kicks in they get a reach that goal They get there and they're they're still not happy they weren't happy because they were it was they were driven
Starting point is 00:25:37 By something that didn't make them happy they were driven by an insecurity That's one of the worst by the way. That's one one of the most painful realizations. If you look at people who seem to have it all, like celebrities, celebrities are in a good example. Lots of money, lots of fame, lots of power. The suicide, right? Yeah, access to everything, access to sex, and sex with whatever I want. I'm famous. Drugs, people bring me whatever drugs I want. I could travel anywhere. I got this beautiful house, amazing cars, all this attention, everybody, you know, tells me they love me. And then the suicide rate is so high. And I think it's because if you're driven by these negative feelings towards yourself, and then you get like it's like this. Look, imagine if you're you hate your body so much
Starting point is 00:26:22 that that's what drives you to work out. You can't stand the way you look, you're disgusted with your body, and you think to yourself, you know what, if I just, I gotta look perfect. And then you win a high level bikini competition or bodybuilding competition. Now what? Are you, did you solve your issue? No. Where do I go from here? I've already hit the pinnacle.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Yeah. And it didn't feed me the way I wanted it. And it's not sustainable. No, it feels terrible. What's, what the hell is going on? So mindset is, in this part of mindset, is extremely important. If you go to the gym or you work out at home
Starting point is 00:26:57 and you think to yourself, how can I take care of this body versus, when do I hate about myself? And because I hate it, I'm gonna change it. If you change that to the other one, to the self-care one, your decisions will be better, your progress will be more consistent, and it would lead to the next big factor. And this is a huge one, which is the difference
Starting point is 00:27:20 between the mindset of motivation and the mindset of discipline. This is a very, very, very big one. The motivation mindset is this. I gotta get hyped, I gotta get motivated, and that's gonna get me excited, and then I'm gonna work out, and this is gonna be great.
Starting point is 00:27:38 The trouble with the motivation mindset is motivation goes away. It always does. Fleeting. Nobody's ever always motivated all the time. It goes eventually, it goes away. And then what ends up happening is you stop. So you stop long enough until motivation kicks back in.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Oh, now I'm motivated again. Now I'm made to work out. And the fitness, by the way, the fitness industry, because the consumer's drive all industries, right? So this is how people get themselves to work out as they wait for these waves of motivation. The fitness industry capitalizes on it. So the workouts that they design and the way that they talk about diet is all based off of motivation. It's like, oh, now you're motivated?
Starting point is 00:28:20 Excellent. Here's a five, six day a week intense, super awesome, super awesome urban cowboy, you know, dance program. That's going to keep you, you know, working out. Or here's, here's a group exercise class that beats you up and everybody in the class is just like you. They all get to save the motivation and they're ready to work out. It's that it's that mindset and the same thing with diet like, oh, you know, how many times you guys heard this from people like, you know what? That's it. I'm going to lose 30 pounds. They go home and they change everything all at once. I'm throwing everything away. I'm buying only healthy food and you know for sure They're gonna fail. It's literally like fire like you created a fire that's burning right now
Starting point is 00:28:54 But you have to keep constantly throwing logs on it. It's gonna fucking burn out. It burns out Motivation burns out and then what well, I think this is I think we're all guilty of this Berns out and then what well, I think this is I think we're all guilty of this Especially in our probably our first five maybe even 10 for sure the first five years Maybe so I think somewhere between five and 10 is when this really started to come together for me and I think for me it was I Don't think I had the the knowledge the experience that I really needed to truly help people the way I did and Motivation is just an easy default easy default from that. It's like, I didn't have quite enough experience to have said, man, I've trained 100 clients just like you.
Starting point is 00:29:34 I've trained 100 other clients, and to be able to really help this person. So the go to move is what I can do though, is rar-a, excite them. Razzle dazzle. That's right, razzle Dazzle them with different types of exercises and hype and motivation and pump them up and I'm a positive guy, I'm loud,
Starting point is 00:29:54 I've got personality like that, I can do this. And again, it served me, I was getting clients and I had my book was full and I was doing well, but I really wasn't giving people long lasting results. Sure. If you locked in with me for six months and you booked out all your appointments for six months, I was going to fire you up and pick you up every day.
Starting point is 00:30:14 You're going to get a show. Right. And it only, it got me so far, but it got, man, I got tiring after a while. I got tired. I got tired of being a, this cheerleader and knowing that like 80% of the people would end up going right back to where they were when they first started with me eventually. Totally, it's a tough one.
Starting point is 00:30:33 It really is because if, look, by the way, we're not saying that motivation's bad and I'm not saying that trainers who inspire their clients and motivate are doing something wrong, it's the reliance upon it and it's the focus on it, it's the motivation mindset. That is the problem. Because we all go through periods of different feelings
Starting point is 00:30:56 and different drives and when that motivation does kick in, it's great, that's when things are easy. By the way, I've never, ever had to talk of client and to be consistent when they were really motivated. I've never had to teach a client how to, this is what you need to do with your diet. Don't make sure you don't go out. When they're motivated, it's easy.
Starting point is 00:31:15 You're motivated. Of course, it's when you're not that it becomes a challenge. Now think of all the things in your life that you're most consistent with. Think of all the things that you do every single day, no matter what. Are you motivated to brush your teeth every morning? You're right.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Are you motivated to take a shower every morning? Are you always motivated to show, if you have a successful marriage, are you always motivated to show your spouse that you love them? I guarantee no. If you've been married for a long time, there's gonna be times when the motivation to show your spouse, you love them, is not there. I you've been married for a long time, there's gonna be times when the motivation
Starting point is 00:31:45 to show your spouse you love them is not there. I don't wanna show, but you know what? If you have a successful marriage, you're probably disciplined enough to do it. That's the discipline mindset. So the discipline mindset says this, I am going to take care of my body and exercise regularly, whether I'm motivated to do it or not.
Starting point is 00:32:05 My motivation is great when I'm motivated, but when I'm not motivated, it's not going to stop me. And I think the important point to make to that is that sometimes when it's rooted in self-care and because you love yourself, sometimes you don't have the motivation, but you do it at the discipline, but sometimes the discipline too, does it mean that you have to kill yourself every time? No.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Sometimes it means like, man, my body aches today, I feel tired, I just got bad news about someone close to me that's got COVID right now, I'm thinking about it, so that, you know what though? If I just go for a walk, or I spend an hour of doing yoga or, you know, maybe I'm just going to work on getting better squats today and do like, there's nothing wrong. It's not like if you don't do the program, you don't follow your maps in a ball like,
Starting point is 00:32:54 you know, phase two workout, like you failed. It's like, no, it's just, you go and you take, you service your body one way and sometimes the part of that and the mind's connected, that's sometimes it's meditation you need. Maybe you've got this issue where you've got a lot of anxiety that's starting to build up or you're stressed about family and also that. So maybe actually beating yourself up in the gym that day isn't the best way to serve your body.
Starting point is 00:33:16 And you know that because you're really not motivated to do that but don't not take care of yourself, still feed something else, feed another part of your body or take care of another part of your body that's going to help you. So it doesn't always have to be this, my goal to lose 15 pounds, or my goal to build 15 pounds of muscle.
Starting point is 00:33:35 And so I gotta be disciplined, like Sal said, every single day, not miss a workout. No, sometimes you're working in. Sometimes you're working inside versus working on the physical your physical aspect of it. Yes, and so here's the big difference with between motivation and mindset. Okay, the motivated person,
Starting point is 00:33:53 when they're motivated, loves the workouts. Okay, I love my workout because I'm motivated. I love my diet right now because I'm motivated. The discipline person loves the discipline. Okay, there's a big difference there. The discipline person loves the discipline. Okay. There's a big difference there. The discipline person doesn't always love the workouts. Sometimes they don't like the workouts.
Starting point is 00:34:11 But they love that they love being disciplined. This is very different. I had a client, probably the client for me that really exemplified this more than any others was a client that I trained his name was Jim. Doug knows Jim. In fact fact Jim helped us film the original Maps in a block. This was a client that I had for a very very long time and He was in his late 60s. I've talked about him before. I don't think I've ever said his name very fit very healthy
Starting point is 00:34:39 You know, he got his testosterone levels checked at late you know late 60s. It was in the high 700s levels checked at late, you know, late 60s, it was in the high 700s. He was, you know, he was lean. He was, you know, strong, you know, great guy. Just extremely consistent and had been working out and swimming and exercising since his early 30s and never stopped, right? Just never stopped. I would ask him this and I'd say, no, it's a gem. How the hell have you been so consistent for so long?
Starting point is 00:35:08 I said, you must just love swimming, because you used to swim. This guy would swim, I think one or two miles almost every single day, for example. I said, you must just love swimming. And I remember, he said, I thought this was, I did not expect, I thought he would say to me like, yes, I love swimming, swimming is my favorite thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:35:24 He said, sometimes I love it. I'm like, what do you mean? Sometimes you're like, sometimes I don't like it. Sometimes I don't like the way it feels. Sometimes I'm tired, sometimes I'm swimming, and I'm just slow, and I gotta go, you know, half a mile and still a mile. He says, it's not that I love the swimming,
Starting point is 00:35:37 he goes, I love the discipline. He goes, it's the part of my day. What it produces? Yeah, I just love the fact that I have this structure and I wake up in the morning And I go to the gym and I'm just I'm disciplined. He goes sometimes he goes I of course sometimes I really really enjoy What I'm doing he goes, but a lot of times I don't he goes, but I just don't stop And he goes and I remember hearing that from somebody who exemplified it. So I thought gosh that's that's the secret right now I know we all like listen have read books by Jordan Peterson,
Starting point is 00:36:06 kind of touches on this a bit, but like order and chaos. Like, there's things that you can control. And something like this that, you know, provides structure discipline is something that, you know, it's always there under your control. And it's something that you can lean on. And that feels good because that provides freedom now. Like the thing about the motivation is it's a roller coaster. It's always up, it's always down, it's always up, it's always down.
Starting point is 00:36:33 That's stressful. That makes you anxious. There's a lot of anxiety that goes with that. And yeah, there's gonna be days where you're not gonna wanna do it, but having that sort of structure established, it just provides a result that will always benefit you and you will feed off that. Well, the secret is, it's very similar to how we talk to people about nutrition. It's learning to connect those behaviors to other aspects that it feeds in your life.
Starting point is 00:37:04 For example, we talk all the time about making good food choices and instead of always connecting it to weight loss up and down on the skill, it's thinking about all the other things, my stool, my energy, my sleep, how's it affect that? Well, having good discipline at taking care of yourself, which could encompass a lot of things, reading, walking, meditating, yoga stretching,
Starting point is 00:37:26 hard training session, all those are taking care of yourself. It's not always connecting it to results. Like physical results. Did I build an exopound on muscle, or did I lose the weight I needed to lose? Sometimes, did it give me a break from my day? Sometimes it is, did it open up this creative thought process in my head?
Starting point is 00:37:47 Did it make me think about the things that I really value in my life? There's a lot of other aspects of being consistent with taking care of yourself every day, bleeds into other than just physical results. And sometimes in a lot of times, in the fitness space, that's what we get with clients. They come in and it's like, I wanna look a certain way,
Starting point is 00:38:07 I wanna lose a certain amount of weight, I wanna build so much muscle, and they're so focused on that that their success to them of a workout has to be making this huge progress towards that goal in order for it to be worthwhile doing it. It's like, no, that's not true, that's not why you eat good,
Starting point is 00:38:24 it's not just so you can look a certain way. It's also because it feeds all kinds of other aspects of your life. The same thing goes for when you're taking care of yourself fitness-wise. Sometimes it's not about, did you get closer to that strength goal, that weight loss goal? Sometimes it's what you, it's what your body needed that time for other parts of your life. So along those lines is sometimes not working out, taking care of yourself? Yes. Is sometimes eating a cookie, taking care of yourself, or having a glass of wine, taking care of yourself? Yes. When you have the right mindset, now these tools are used appropriately, which is,
Starting point is 00:39:03 you know, one of the hallmarks of a fitness person who is motivated and has the wrong mindset, is the person who never veers off, who is so stringent with their diet that going off, going to a restaurant or going on vacation, stresses them out. All right, oh my god, I got on vacation. How am I gonna get my perfect meals?
Starting point is 00:39:20 How am I gonna get my macros? How am I gonna, they're missing out on the big picture. And look, here's another way to talk about this. I've heard this before and I think this makes a lot of sense. And psychologists talk about this. It's the growth mindset versus the fixed mindset. Okay, so the difference between the two of those is, growth mindset says, the way I behave, the way I think about things, the way I am is moldable.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I believe I can change. I believe I can grow. I believe I can change my mindset. The fixed mindset says, this is just how I am. It's always going to be. Yeah, this is how I am. It's never going to change. I can't.
Starting point is 00:40:04 It won't. There's nothing I can do to be. Yeah, this is how I am. It's never gonna change. I can't. I won't. There's nothing I can do to change. This is just the way things are. And now, we have studies on this. And they're very, very clear. People with the growth mindset have much higher positive outcomes in everything. Anything, whether it's business, family life, or fitness.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Let me put it this way. If I have a client that comes in and they say to me, look, it's just the way I am is the way I am. Nothing's ever gonna change. And actually, they would probably, they probably wouldn't even hire me. But even if they did, I've worked with clients with the fixed mindset and they say to me,
Starting point is 00:40:38 look, I'm not gonna be able to change my diet. It's just the way it is or whatever. And I understand the whole acceptance part, but that's very different from the person that says, I know it's gonna be hard, but I believe in my ability to make changes. It's gonna be difficult, it's gonna be a struggle, but I am growth-minded.
Starting point is 00:40:56 I know that I can accomplish things through effort, through work. It's possible. You have to believe it's possible for it to even happen. If you believe it's not possible, if you say to yourself, these permanent changes are never gonna happen, it's just not gonna happen. You're right.
Starting point is 00:41:13 You're right. Yeah, that's a quote from Henry Ford, right? Whether you believe you can or you can't. You're probably right. You're probably right. Like belief is so important with this. And so having that mindset of, I can change. It doesn't mean it's easy, by the way.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I think you have to acknowledge that change is difficult. That's a very important thing. But you gotta believe that it's possible. Otherwise, you're stuck. I also think that a growth mindset too requires the ability to question everything that you do. I think that and I think Lewis Hals touched on this in his mini-mass book or whatever, I forget the title of it, but a lot of times when you're doing well or you're hitting goals, you're following your meal plan, you're not questioning anything because you're doing, you're doing what you're supposed to do.
Starting point is 00:42:05 But sometimes that is rooted in the insecurities that we're talking about. So you first have to have the ability to question everything that you do and why do you do it and ask yourself. It's something that to this day, I am always challenging myself on. Even when things go right and well, that's when it's hardest.
Starting point is 00:42:28 It's easy when shit fucked up and you're at the bottom of a barrel and you're sitting there going like, why, where did this go wrong? And okay, so some people have that ability, right? Like shit fucked up, now let's unpack this, let's figure out why and try and work on that. But man, when you get to the next level, you even question the things that go right and well in your life. Do you have the ability to
Starting point is 00:42:57 question yourself like, why did that play out that way? Or why did I respond that way? Or why did I say that? Or why am I doing this? And really look to your true motivators behind that. To me, that's where the real growth comes is in the areas that we're blinded because we have this false perception of success. And to me, talking about fitness and comparing that, the greatest examples are some of the people that we look up most to in the fitness space, the people that are on covers of magazines that we all, not we all, but many people worship and idolize and look up to and think that, oh, they're killing it in life because it looks all great. But man, when you dive deeper into those people, those are the people that have avoided questioning their true motivators and what, why they do what they do.
Starting point is 00:43:40 You're right, because if you're, if you're sitting in a situation where you're shredded, you're muscular, you are consistent with your diet, but so super consistent, right? And your workouts never miss a workout. It's really hard to look at yourself and say, why am I, like what's driving this, right? Because you're getting the results, and from the outside, people think you're doing a good job,
Starting point is 00:44:03 and it's easy to fool yourself. But you're absolutely right, Adam, because in in my early days that would have been me. I would have never questioned what was driving me to work out so hard and what was driving me to follow a particular diet. I wasn't questioning what was driving me didn't matter, it was getting great results. I think question until my body rebelled. That's when I had to question it. But had I questioned it when I was doing good, I would have never hit that roadblock. I would have never been run over by that, you know, my body's rebellion, you know, that happened to me. I would have just thought, oh, I'm going to keep going because here's the thing, you know, I was lucky that the way that my
Starting point is 00:44:41 body rebelled was in a way that I could fix and reverse. I know people who the reminder was severe and permanent, or they ignored a lot of signals and it got to the point where things went really, really bad and things they couldn't recover from. So, that's a great point. Well, it's because it's the ego. The things that feed the ego are the most difficult to look into. That feels good.
Starting point is 00:45:07 I look good, you know? I'm doing good. I'm not challenging what my motivation is behind this. I'm succeeding. I'm winning. And that's all ego shit. So those are the times though, when I think it matters most to really look deeper into what's driving and pushing.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Yeah. And I think to this speaks into, you know, how distractible we are as well. Like, we don't want to self reflect 100%. It's like being calm, quiet, and not having any outside stimulus and things to focus on besides just yourself and your inner thoughts. And you know, like besides what you look like, how do you think? Like, how do I think about things in life and when hardship comes and like, what's my mentality through all these things? You need to create the space for that.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And I know we're going to get into this with the next points, but this is something that I just don't feel like, the environment that we have today really promotes this. No, actually, you know, it's funny. I just, just the other night, I did my Q&As and people were asking me about the positive things that I've seen since COVID. It's funny because the news promotes all the bad shit. But I actually have seen a lot of really cool
Starting point is 00:46:17 positive things and what I think it is is that we're forced to have this quiet time that we have in Hemphor. And people are starting to reevaluate things that they value. I've never seen so many people outside of my life. I've never seen so many people play with their kids. Sunshine feels great.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Play with their kids. Take walks with their spouses. Smile and wave at neighbors when they walk by. It's courteous to each other in the grocery store. Thanking the fucking butcher. I was in line in my butcher line. Five fucking people came up and thank the butcher. Wow.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Thank you for doing your job. We appreciate it. It gets me chills because it's, it renewed my faith in humanity is what it is. Is we live in such a distracting world today. That makes a shitty. All these, it does. It does because we don't stop.
Starting point is 00:47:04 But we are good in our route I believe we're good like I believe that when when we do cut out all the shit We're forced to sit in our own shit at home Yeah, and and you start to think that way and you go fuck you know what? I got healthy kids right here. I'm so lucky. I've got I still got a job I'm fortunate. Yeah, and so it does really start to shift. And I'm watching this happen right now. I'm seeing entrepreneurs that were stuck doing kind of the same thing forever, reinventing themselves and doing different things. There's a lot of really good things that are happening. And it's tough. When you turn on the goddamn news, or you open
Starting point is 00:47:39 up social media, because the things that get shared in the most viral are the things that are negative and alarming and scary, but we are seeing because we're all being forced to be very present right now. It's pretty wild. I'll give you, here's a good, Jessica, in some ways, a great example. She grew up, and I hope she doesn't mind me sharing this, but she grew up poor. She grew up without much, moved quite a bit,
Starting point is 00:48:06 raised by a single mom for a while, and then stepped out or whatever. They hiding from the bill collectors, don't answer the phone, got to move, so we can't pay this, lights get turned off, and that kind of stuff. Now, if you ask her about her childhood, I mean, at one point, she slept no joke.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Her bed was a old recliner because they couldn't afford a bed, right? Now, if you ask her about how life was grown up, you know what she says? It was fun. Oh, man, it was so fun. I got to sleep on a recliner. Oh, you know, moving around was really cool because I got one time we lived in this big house that, you know, we shared with other people
Starting point is 00:48:43 and there were these hidden, and she talks about it like it was a fun time. In fact, not that long ago, the lights went out in my house, I got all pissed off, right? Power went out and I was, California sometimes does that because there are idiots. And I was all pissed off and she's like,
Starting point is 00:48:56 oh my God, this is so fun. We get to light candles and we get to have a good, and I realized like, because if you talk to people who grew up with her, they have a very negative, you know, opinion about how things were. It's like two different stories, like, what the hell? But they all grew up the same.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Her attitude is what made her, and her mindset is what made her come out of that. You know, far more unscathed than other people. It was the mindset. It's all about reframing your perspective. There is a silver lining in everything. And the people that have the right mindset have this ability, no matter how dark it is,
Starting point is 00:49:31 how bad it is on the outside or whatever it else is, they have the ability to see the silver lining in all those things. And so this is the thing that her and I are most connected and that's why Jessica and I get along so well is that I think that we can relate to each other because we have this in common that, you know, I look at my child, but I don't know if the she's like this, but a good part of my teenage years and early 20s, I wasn't this way. I was, you know, angry at my parents. I had resentment
Starting point is 00:49:59 and amocity and my life completely changed when I flipped that perspective. And I thought, you know what's crazy though? If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have done this. It wasn't for those things. I wouldn't have been like, total refraint. If I didn't go through that, I wouldn't have been able to have empathy for these people.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And all of a sudden I started to see like all the positive things that happened because I went through that. And then all of a sudden it became grateful. Like, oh my God, I'm so grateful that it was that shitty then, because now, as an adult, and a man almost 40, when like road bumps happen, or things like this, it's like, this ain't shit.
Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah, you're chill. Yeah, really, you have that ability to be that way. So, yeah, to me, man, some of the secret sauce of success is I believe a lot of the most successful people I've ever met have always been able to reframe the situation that they're Yeah, it's an important thing that I want to communicate about this It doesn't happen automatically for most of us. Okay. It's far easier No hell no, it's far easier to have the negative fixed, blame everything else, mindset.
Starting point is 00:51:09 That's a really easy one, it's self-serving, it absolves you responsibility because now actually temporarily makes you feel good. It does because, oh, I don't, it's not my fault. I can't do anything about it. So, and ah, feel good for a second because now I don't have to change it because change is hard, right?
Starting point is 00:51:24 So this is not something that happens overnight So it's like you can listen to this podcast and be like oh, that's it boom switch Doesn't work that way you got to train it just like the following just like if you listen to a podcast that we put out on How to get a better squat, right? You're not gonna hear what we say immediately have an awesome squat you got gotta go to the gym or go in your garage and practice, practice, practice. You gotta practice frequently, you gotta practice often and you gotta practice perfect.
Starting point is 00:51:52 And you gotta do this on a consistent long-term basis. And over time, you develop a far better squat and then over time you develop an awesome squat. So this mindset is not gonna happen overnight. This mindset requires awareness and conscious training. So I'll give you an example of the conscious training. So, and you gotta be aware first, right? So you look in the mirror and you look at yourself,
Starting point is 00:52:18 oh God, I'm disgusting. Oh, what did I just say? What did I just think to myself? Become aware, okay. I'm aware of what I just said. I gotta say something positive about myself just think to myself? Become aware, okay. I'm aware what I just said. I gotta say something positive about myself now. By the way, don't lie. I don't want you to lie.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I've told this to clients before and like, well, I can't say something positive about my belly because I'm like, I don't care. Say something positive about something that's real. So maybe you look in the mirror and you say, oh, I'm disgusting, oh wait a minute. Hold on, that was negative mindset. That was a fixed mindset, that was self-hate.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Let me think of something good to say, you know what, I'm a really good friend. You know what, I'm a really good mom. You know, I'm a kind person, or I really do try hard. Offset it. Say something consciously to train that mindset. The learning process doesn't go to, right away to automatic. It doesn't go to Cut, look before you could walk without thinking about walking like if you're an adult You probably stand up walking around. I'm guarantee you're not thinking about taking the left step taking the right step
Starting point is 00:53:16 Got a balance. Don't fall what you just walk right you walk you can think about whatever you could eat to stand What you could talk to your friends while you're walking But when you first learn how to walk when you you were a baby, you ever watch a baby learn how to walk? They're paying attention. Every, they have to consciously think about what they're doing. That's the, that's the first phase before it becomes automatic. So you have to train yourself and it all starts with awareness. Now, there are practices that can help a lot with this. Stoicism is a great ancient philosophy. It's not rooted in mysticism.
Starting point is 00:53:52 You don't have to believe in spiritual gods or anything like that. It's just a philosophy, but a big part of Stoicism is accepting what you can't change and then focusing on what you can. Oh, that's a really big big response. I just respond another question I had. Somebody asked me how I was dealing with the anxiety over everything that's going on. I said, I don't have anxiety. That's wasted energy
Starting point is 00:54:17 on things that I focusing on the controllables. That's something I can't control. I can't control COVID-19 spreading all over the place. I can do what I can control the best, which is shelter in place, wash things, stay healthy, eat good, exercise. I focus all of my energy on the controllables, the things that are uncontrollable in my life. You just accept it, you just accept it.
Starting point is 00:54:39 It is what it is. And what happens is many people get stuck on the uncontrollables pondering them, stressing over them, having anxiety over them, trying to worry about them, talking about them to their friends, gossiping about you, that is all wasted energy that could be put towards doing something to better your own life.
Starting point is 00:55:00 100%. So when they do studies on people who have like terminal diseases or whatever whatever they've done these studies now with Like psychedelics like mushrooms or MDMA and They're finding that with therapy and these psychedelic substances that these because one of the big the hallmarks of knowing you're gonna Die soon is extreme depression and anxiety. I've seen this firsthand. I had somebody close to me who was terminal and you see this process. It's like, that's one of the most painful parts.
Starting point is 00:55:30 You know it's terminal. Now you get anxious for the unknown. Oh my God, I'm gonna die. Before I thought I would, I'm depressed from all this. So it's a very painful time. Lots of antidepressants, lots of anxiety, medicines, lots of pain pills. And so when they do these therapies
Starting point is 00:55:45 with these psychedelics and a therapist, these people are coming out and they're at peace. They're all of a sudden they're not depressed, not anxious. And you ask them, when they ask them, what was it? They'll say to you, I just accepted it. I was just able to accept it. Now, I'm not saying who takes psychedelics to do this. I'm saying the key is the acceptance part.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Another thing that helps with that is a spiritual practice. If you talk to people who are religious, truly, like really religious, like really, you know, they follow their religion, they really live it. They're not the hypocrites or the people we don't like or whatever, you know, the good people. You talk to them and they tend to be, you know, it's not like they don't feel sad
Starting point is 00:56:25 or they don't get scared or that kind of stuff. They're very stoic about things. They're, you know, like, I have somebody I knew, I know who lost a child. And, you know, but they're very religious. And of course, they were sad and it was terrible. But, you know, they couldn't control what happened. And for them, what they said was, is that's in God's hands. And they let go of something that they couldn't control, and that dramatically and greatly reduced a lot of their pain. So spiritual practices is another one.
Starting point is 00:56:58 So if you like to mistissism, if you want to believe in those types of things, then the spiritual practice is one way to train your mindset. It's one way to achieve a more successful mindset. And letting go doesn't necessarily mean not doing anything either. You're right. Yeah, like sitting at home and... Right, I think about letting your mind spin. So something that I think about, right,
Starting point is 00:57:22 is there's a very good chance that we are gonna see serious economical ramifications from this COVID-19. That's a fact. Now, me dwelling just on that and going, oh my God, what if the housing market goes down 50%, we lose equity in this and what if I lose my jaw, what if I spend all my time just worrying about that,
Starting point is 00:57:43 then it's waste of energy that I could be putting towards being creative and thinking, okay, okay, there's a good chance it's gonna happen. Let's pretend it happened now, right now, and it's this moment, what am I doing to pivot and think of things that I can be creating still revenue for myself or making sure that my family has food, you cannot be stressing
Starting point is 00:58:04 and worrying about that because it's sucking energy from like you cannot be stressing and worrying about that because it's sucking energy from what you could be possibly do. Reminds me of the joke where the guy, there's a guy that prays every day to win the lottery. Every day I pray, please God, let me win the lottery. Let me win the lottery. And finally he dies one day. Never wins a lottery.
Starting point is 00:58:18 He dies goes up to heaven and God, you know, he sees God and he goes, I got one question for you, God, he goes, every day I pray to win the lottery and I never won it. And God says, you never bought a lottery ticket. Like you never, you never took action. Yeah, right. You know, you can't win unless you buy a lottery ticket.
Starting point is 00:58:34 I love that. Here's another thing you can do that will help train your mindset. Cold and hot therapy is effective at this. Now there's the physiological effects of it, how it strengthens the body and all that stuff. But a big part of this, a big reason why some people can go longer in the cold
Starting point is 00:58:53 or the hot is because they accept the uncomfortable aspect of it. Yeah, this is something that I've stressed this a few times about cold therapy, an ice bath in general about, when you're in that situation, you can't rely on your own initiatives of tightening and bracing and like bearing down and getting through it. You have to accept how cold it is and you have to get into a calm state. is you have to get into a calm state. A calm state benefits you so much more
Starting point is 00:59:26 in the admits, like the highest performers, athletics-wise, the ones at the top, the superstars, know how to find that calm state under pressure. So like you're Michael Jordan's, everything is relying around this last second shot and the buzzer beater. This is something that not a lot of people have this ability. It's something that you have to train and you have to immerse yourself in.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Again, this is something, too, people don't realize that even after training, I'm going through this stress to better myself, but also I have to recover from that stress in order to then propel myself forward. So you could take it down just to the workout level. I worked out hard, now how am I gonna recover? How do I find this calm state? This calm state is something a lot of people neglect and this has to be trained.
Starting point is 01:00:19 This can be trained through hot cold therapy. This can be trained through meditation and breathing practice. Meditation's a big one because if you're stuck in a loop of the wrong mindset, sometimes it can be really hard to get out of it because you're so frozen by this bad mindset. And so sometimes what you need is a break from it long enough to where you can become aware, examine your mindset
Starting point is 01:00:41 and change it. Meditation does that. Meditation is the practice of being present. And essentially what it's doing is it's giving you a break. It's giving you a long enough break from this looping thoughts, this poor mindset state long enough to where you can look at the new mindset.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Now I've gotten this break. Now how do I, now I'm done with meditating? Let me move forward with this better mindset. Now, and there's tools, by the way, there's tools out there to help you. Meditating's hard, requires practice. We're talking about how you need to train your mindset. One thing that I found that helps a lot, there's a lot of meditation apps that help. BrainFM, brain.fm is my favorite.
Starting point is 01:01:20 There are guided meditations on there, and there's unguided ones, and then they play sounds that actually help physically, physiologically, put your brain in the meditative state, and for me it was a tool that, because meditating is so hard, if I sit there quietly, I'm just thinking about everything. It's impossible, right? That helped me quite a bit.
Starting point is 01:01:39 My favorite way to break that loop that you're talking about, because let's be honest, it's not like fear doesn't creep in any of our minds. Of course. It's not like no one in here has it. Absolutely. But the way I break that loop, when I can't,
Starting point is 01:01:51 if I'm trying to meditate and I can't get out of thinking about, oh my God, what this is, except that worst case scenario, right then, right then and there. You know what? It did all happen. I lost my job, I have no money, I can't pay rent. Okay, the question now is, what do I do? What the fuck can I do right now?
Starting point is 01:02:08 Instead of waiting and thinking and pondering, like okay, if my greatest fear is X, Y and Z could happen, let's pretend it did. It just happened. Now what am I doing about it? And now focus all my energy on that and my thought process on that. Get creative.
Starting point is 01:02:26 What can I do? What are the switch right there and accept it? The minute you do that, that's how you break that loop. Totally. So I think the key with that is to train and practice your mindset. It won't change overnight. It takes time. It's daily practice.
Starting point is 01:02:41 And like anything that you practice, like the first time you tried to ride a bike or you know use roller blades or do anything, you fell, you stumbled, be okay with that. You're not gonna automatically have the right mindset. You're gonna go from, oh I'm getting the right mindset, I'm getting the right, oh terrible mindset now for a few days or a week or whatever. You will stumble part of having the right mindset is being okay with the fact that you're
Starting point is 01:03:05 going to stumble and that it's a practice. So be kind to yourself, realize, make peace with the fact that you're not going to be perfect at all with this at first, that it does take practice. But once as you start to improve in this, your odds of success long-term, fitness and health success, go through the roof and with the wrong mindset, the odds of failure, long-term failure are astronomical. So this is a, this is again, the most important thing that you can focus on.
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