Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 128: Stick Mobility

Episode Date: August 10, 2015

Whether you lift weights or play golf, if you want an added edge then you need to look into Stick Mobility. Adam & Justin interview the Stick Mobility founders.

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, hop, mite, hop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Justin, want you to let us know who's here real quick and then let's fire this fucker right now. Hey, yeah, I've been meaning to get these guys on. My good buddies and trainers from the gym that I've been working at, and I have all the admiration for these guys. These are three of the guys that I looked up to as I was coming in,

and they're all kind of like the same age range. We got the same amount of experience behind us. They all kind of have their... All the elite guys. All their kind of different specialties about them, very unique. Anyway, we have Mitch, we got Dennis, we got Neil from Stick Mobility, and they're here to kind of break it down for us and let us know what that's all about and

how it all got started and how people can benefit from this. Why don't you go ahead and just introduce yourself a little bit. We'll start with Mitch and tell us a little bit about your background. I know he's a sports trainer and everything and that's kind of like one of the main focuses, but if you want to add anything. How long have you been doing it for, Bella? So I've been in the business for this my 20th year. So going on, I've been a fitness director. I taught certification courses for National College of Exercise Professionals.

I mostly, like Justin said, I mostly train athletes. So mostly I'm all about human performance, get movement down, move better, get quality, efficiency, and then helping people with injuries, so getting them back to performance. I've kind of been in that whole realm, you know, I've done everything at the gym, but I get tired and bored of that shit and kind of want to work with the athletes and get to more of a high performance side That's the fun shit right?

20 20 years. Uh, did you did you work in a lot of different facility? What's the word you start like kind of start? I like most people a good old 24 hour fitness. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah Me, me Adam You and me miss wait, Neil you're at ballies. Yeah, I'm a ballies Do you remember? Do you remember who the Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy? I forget his last name. I went to high school with him.

And I'm trying to think who was going through there on that. I was there pretty quick. And then I moved to Long Beach to go to college. And then so I trained at the Long Beach sport. Oh, okay. Nice. You played baseball? Played baseball.

So sports got me into this side. And me being injured going through physical therapy some surgeries. I was gonna be a physical therapist, but realize it's can be pretty boring. And most of our world is like wait till you're fucked up, wait till you get hurt and then let's try to do something. So let's be a little more more proactive. So I went on the other side and try to get to people first so they don't get hurt. They don't get screwed up and just get rocking, get to the performance. Nice. Right. And Dennis, tell us a little about your background.

I've been in the industry 16 years. I started in 99. Moved out here in 97 from Buffalo, New York. So 24 hour fitness, of course. Wow. Wow, everybody huh? It was about two months after I was there that I realized, okay, I got to get the hell out of this place.

So I was fortunate enough to have an acquaintance who knew somebody that owned a private studio and she set me up with an interview. I didn't really think that the guy was was gonna bring me on because I'm like well I've only been doing this for a couple months But he was like no actually you're the type of trainer that I want to see because I can mold you and teach you what you really need to know So I was fortunate enough to get into a situation like that and then broke off from there after a few years and Did he mentor he said he right he mentor you the old time? Yes,. And he gave me a lot of business advice. So a very business savvy guy. So then

breaking off on my own, having my own facility for a few years. And then that partnership with that business partner went south. Unfortunately, you know, that could have been a huge thing, but things are what they are. So then just bouncing from spending three or four years a facility from here and there, and then meeting up with these guys, and they're good guys. Yeah. Excellent to be around and to work with.

And you guys, how long ago did you, because you guys all met at NorCal, right? That's where you guys all are. No, no, over at Ray's built-off. Oh, that's where you guys so how long ago did you guys all met at NorCal right that's where you guys all no no over it's raised built off oh that's where you guys met so seven years of yeah about seven years you guys do a lot of bodybuilding too oh you know all three of you guys are really fucking huge into the bodybuilding world I mean if you see these guys right now they're like yeah their monsters shirts are exploding yeah I told him to put their shirts on for the guy in here.

It's ridiculous. I do feel a little odd number today. I do. I do. Oh, coming after you son, we are not going to talk about any training right now when it comes to me right now. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, but Dennis, I see you doing some cool stuff. Like I, you have a little bit of like,

what do they call it? Animal type movement. I don't know what type of movement it's like. No, seriously though. No, the animal flow system. Animal flow, that's right. A lot of just body movements, body mobility drills. Okay, hold on, you got it.

You got it, what, explain that. That's what I mean. I want you to get it. That's important to me. So tell me, explain that to me. That's animal flits. It's called animal movement. Yeah, movement's out of crawl pattern, crab position.

There's actually like a term for that. Yeah. Oh, shit. I know. So there's different. You got, I know, it's not with biceps. And well, is it actually like a certification for that? Yeah. Oh, no. Shit. So animal flow certification. Scott's on and teaches movements like that. And they're good to have, you know, for me being used to working in that bodybuilding environment as far as my lifting personally with old injuries, just realizing that you keep getting hurt.

Well, something's got to change either. I've got to change my training modality or else this this is going to keep going over and over and over again. So getting more into that balancing that aspect of retaining strength by keeping mobility, it's walking that fine line, not trying to be hyper-mobile, because I don't want to lose that strength aspect in that aspect. So it's just something I really enjoyed watching at first and then I was like, okay, well, let me check it out. Seems like something that you could probably utilize too with like training MMA fighters

and stuff, I think. A lot of changing levels a lot. I would think getting up from the ground where I can get there. Yeah, for sure. So then most of my clientele's north of 45, 50 years of age. Yeah, so it's really just about their movement. Exactly. So when you get clients to come in and they're just, they're just in full flexion.

And it's just like, okay, let's get you to some extent. Let's open you up. Let's open you up. Hey, Neil, so yeah, I know Neil, like, does a lot of rock climbing and all kinds of ninja moves. Which could point out you could tell by his handshake. Yes, he was a first ridiculous one.

Yesterday was the first time he, even I like formally introduced, he introduced himself to me and taught me some stick moves yesterday. And that was a very first thing I said instead of Justin when he walked to us, like, bro, dude, he's got some fucking pause. It's like his paws are like twice my size.

And if you saw some person, I'm like twice the size. So yeah, no, you could, I'm sure I knew right away. He was probably has to be great at climbing. Right. I call him the Filipino Tarzan. Yeah, there it is. He does. He's got these mittens on him, brother, no joke.

And I'm still waiting for invite on Ninja Warrior. You should do it, bro. I bet you'd be pretty bad ass at it for sure. I would do it, man, but I don't want to wait in line for five or six days. I didn't fail on the first one. Yeah, you'd be awesome at Ninja Warrior. I would feel. We've been trying to get him for a few years to get on there. Yeah, yeah. Throw a stick mobility logo on your back and yeah, hop out there. Yeah, we actually just, well,

we just interviewed David Campbell. Can I say that? Oh, did you really? Is that okay? Yeah, I can't. You're a zephysoche. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, we haven't released it yet,

but we have all the inside information. We have all the inside information. The Ninja Warrior grandfather, huh? That's the guy, yeah. Yeah, nice. Yeah, he's bad ass. Yeah. He is bad ass.

Doesn't he have a place in Santa Cruz? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, his brother, I guess, owned it and sold it, I believe. And so now he's kind of like, you know, waiting to either create his own or, you know, train outside. And like you, he has them oddly sized hands compared to rest of the world. We notice that right away.

His, his, his, his forums were bigger than his biceps was a straight pop-eye straight. It was a trip. Yeah, but his forums were bigger than his biceps. I don't think I'd ever seen that before until I met that guy too. That's pretty well That's right. So take me through like I went through one of your guys's classes and I got to say like it it was really It was a really unique spin on yoga and I wouldn't even say yoga because you guys call it mobility. Now why is it that you guys call it mobility, not yoga? It because it's unlike yoga, people don't take yoga because the first thing you hear

is I can't do it. I can't get into these positions. I can't stand on one leg. So with the stick mobility, it gives you the leverage, it gives you the stabilization. And the facial activation, the muscle tension is fantastic. I mean, it's just something that when we took the workshop the first time, literally after the first hour, the three of us were like, you gotta be kidding me, this is insane. Yeah. It was just a physical and mental reaction that none of us had ever experienced

in any modality that we've done. So we knew right away we're like, this is something that's just gotta get out of there. Yeah, where's his been? Is there levels of progression in it? Like, yeah. Okay, as I say, because everything has a level of progression and regression. So that's the good thing, like yoga, you limit people,

animal flow, you limit people, every modality out there's limiting people, but with stick mobility, we don't limit anybody, we don't leave anybody out. So we got little youngsters all the way to, grandma and grandpa, I was very curious. Because the stick's gonna aid that stability, aid in activation, we get leverage.

You can find a position in a movement for everyone to do. So that's the awesome part. And then, you know, for guys or big manly guys, they might think yoga's kind of pussy. And, oh, I'm not ever gonna do yoga, I'm not gonna do that shit. Well, you know, you put a stick in your hand, you can still be badass.

Well, you actually say that, but it's kind of funny. I kind of felt that way because I have done yoga before, which I'm just, I'm not, not a fan because it's, I don't think it's super beneficial. I'm just not a big fan of the whole. Yeah, the whole process. Yeah, but I could totally get into this thing. You know, saying I was just, it does feel more masculine. It does feel more, I don't know, almost like because it is wielding a sword or a weapon or something. It does.

It does. It has a different feel to it for sure. I think part of that too is the good thing with the stick is that you get the intrinsic cues, you get internal feedback where nothing else really gives you that much. You can get a yoga pose and be like, I don't know what I feel. Am I there? Is it good? Or I just look stupid right now.

Or you can't get into the damn position because you got all these little skinny people that are super hyper mobile and they're like gumby. Yeah. So now with this, it's like, oh, I don't have to say nothing or you don't have to give a cue, just fill it. And when you get that feeling inside, you're kind of like, holy shit.

I just woke something up in there. I haven't felt those muscles maybe ever. Something's engaged, whether you know it or not, if we know what's going on or understand the body, but for the average person that doesn't understand anything, they still feel it. They're like, damn. Well, I thought they had those muscles.

Yeah, I thought the most interesting part when I was going through, was not just the flexibility aspect of it, which was awesome, it was so easy to get into a position and then really drive that leverage point to kind of adjust your body into it. So I actually have like a reference point now where I'm like, okay, now I can kind of push off of this and then adjust and alter my body to it. But also like the core activation. So there was some of those techniques like,

you know, I have my own way of teaching that to clients. And I know every other trainer does, because it's an important facet of what we try and teach. But this provides like another tool to really show people, hey, this is how you get these muscles involved, and this is how you support your spine and movement, and how you get more muscles involved in movement, really. Yes, exactly.

The amazing thing is, is when people are doing it, you see it in their face. I mean, the expression the way they engage, you're like, we got you. It's the wow factor. That's it. And other modalities, you just don't get that. People go, oh, that's cool.

I like it. But when you watch people do stick mobility, and they get into a position and they just go. Yeah. Oh, they're high. That's how you like said. I was like Justin did the class. I thought he was jerking off or something. Oh, yeah.

Making all the noises. You know, getting into it, feeling it. You should see me in the bedroom. It's a little more loud. You know, and we always get that. You get people and we do oppose. And in a class of like 15 to 18 people Also, you hear 10 people just go. Oh

And you like it. We got you know, it's like simultaneous Now is so is this how you guys have it set up right now you guys teach it in a class setting where you guys will invite It you have a certain amount that you only want in there, is that mean what's, right now the classes are limited to a max of 20. Okay. Right, we've all integrated it into our own training programs with our clients with small group and personal one-on-ones. Yeah.

But we do like having that at least once a week, the big class size. Yeah, it's hard not to like use it after you learn it, right? Like, it's one of those things, I honestly feel like it's just like when I started foam rolling more often and more frequently with my clients, it's just, it's something you're not going to like forget about it and you're immediately going to kind of adopt it into your program. Well, I almost see it, you know, if you're somebody who utilizes your, your standard dynamic flexibility, I would see like you would pretty much replace that

unless, I mean, I don't write. I mean, I would definitely can. Yeah. You can use it in combination. Yeah. My athletes, they might, they're going to do a combination of both. Okay. So we still might go through that dynamic flexibility movement prep and then get to some stick to add to it or add, just go straight to activation, activate movement patterns. Okay. Then get into our, you know, our base of our workout or we might activate a movement, then lock it down with another modality, kettlebell, a clubbell, a macebell, something like that and add strength to it.

Then go right into power on that same movement. So now you locked it down, you go back out, you know, my pictures are throwing harder. Someone's going to hit harder for MMA. Whatever it is, you just, you, you, you know, my pictures are throwing harder. Yeah. Someone's gonna hit harder for MMA. Whatever it is, you just, you, you, you, you know, you map it to that particular person and what they do with their body or their sport and a movement pattern. Now, have you, have you guys seen a specific type?

And I know it helps all everybody, for sure. But do you, do you seem to notice like a bigger difference with like maybe a certain athlete or a certain elderly? People or somebody who's young enough good you notice like it's really really benefits or help somebody out a certain John or people or everybody gets really everybody, but yeah, all my golfers that I train okay, all them hit it further Yeah, and then their back's are just healthy or two. So you know if they're back so healthy they could play more Oh, I've seen some unique stretches too like the now

Are most of these adopted? I know you guys have worked with is a doctor fagin holds? Yeah, like so I know he he's Developed a lot of these stretches. I'm assuming and I know that you guys have then Going through this you saw a way to then kind of adopt this more into fitness and like how this applies to athletes and how this kind of can expand. And so like Neil, I know that with golfing, like I've seen you do some really interesting things

with your clients as far as like, you know, dynamic stretches, like is that something that you thought about going through it and then sort of just came up with that? Or because you can take the stick and you can go through similar golf motions. So but then you know when you apply that force and that leverage you just you open everything up so now people can get in a good backswing and now they have more power so that's cool. So we've taken some of his fundamentals and then just applied it to different sports. Yeah.

Basically, we took Dr. Faganhoek's principles, you know, the basics of it all. And then we still use a lot of his stuff, but now we've just expanded into our world. We're helping bring it into the fitness world, into the athletic world, you know, combine just with our expertise and knowledge of the human body and dynamic movement. Yeah. You know, a real, real anatomy, so functional anatomy where it's not just, you know, sit on a machine and, uh, uh, uh, uh, like take it into a movement pattern and how the body really works because now those muscles and the chain, the fascia, the fascial lines,

change how everything works. So we've just taken on that and expanded to all the movements and you know, we get creative. I just wanna ask you, are you guys still actively creating? All the time. Yeah, all the time. That's so cool, man.

So is it like, once I wanted to do it, because we, bro, check this one. Check this shit out here. We got the dumpster squat, right? I was just, I created the squat, messing, dicking around at the house. Oh yeah. And, you know, we all talk about with squatting,

you know, creating ground force. And, you know, the object, I'm sitting there thinking, I'm going, well, Jesus, okay, you got, you're either back loaded or front loaded. You got this object or you're dead lifting and you're picking stuff up off the ground and you're trying to lift and fight gravity, right? So you're trying to teach the body to move upwards, not down, right? And you're getting

that push off the platform of the floor. But I was thinking, well, okay, what if I take the stick, put it into the top of the door jam and push up on it and force and fight against that upward force? And when I stood there and put it in the door and I just took my hands and I pushed up, on it and force and fight against that upward force. And when I stood there and put it in the door and I just took my hands and I pushed up, everything, and I just went, since that engagement, oh my God, I looked at my wife and went, holy shit.

And then I said, okay, well now, and I started squatting it and I just pushed up as hard as I could all the way up and all the way down and I just went, holy shit. I mean, I just was a squad. Now, my deep squad has always was always been good before. But then having people that had never been in a deep squad. And you you locked that in and they get to a range of motion, they look at you and go, are you kidding me? Yeah, they get down there

and they're fully engaged. And they're fully engaged the whole time. And you're like, you gotcha, you know, because they're like, holy shit. I've never broken parallel before in my life. Wow. And they're getting down there and they're creating and they're keeping extension. So you're keeping that chest up because they're pushing up

and as they're pushing up into the door, that chest stays up. You get that thoracic extension. And yeah, it was just creating those things, just thinking about principles of movement, going, okay, how can I expound on this? And create something more out of it. So, for hockey, personally, looking at trainers like Scott Simmons up in Canada. And looking at their principles of movement, the exercises they do, and then saying, okay, they load with weight, with dumbbells and sandbags and things, and then go,

okay, well, what if I took the stick, pushed upwards and created that same movement? And then you got something completely different. There's a lot of stuff. Completely different. Right. So the one gentleman that I trained that I play hockey with, he told me the other day, he's like, okay, I've got my slap shots actually way too high now because I'm getting more

rotation, more force, and my shots are going above the net. And he's like, and secondly, I'm skating faster, so now I'm over skating everything. And I'm like, well, that's not a bad thing. That that's not a horrible problem. You've made way too efficient, bro. And it was funny, because Rich is like, I'm fucking damn faster. He's like, I've got to like, he goes, I keep overscating stuff. And I'm like, oh, now you got to slow the game down. That's not a bad thing. You know, it's better to have to slow the game down than just be struggling to keep up with everything. Right. So it's been fascinating have to slow the game down than just be struggling to keep up with everything. Right.

So it's been fascinating to see the results from when we take all these applications and we create new things and we just go, oh, man, oh my goodness. And it's like you said earlier, oh, you're able to check this out. Look, I just, you know, this is awesome. Now, would you recommend it to the average person more as something that they would incorporate pre workout or taking like a full hour like you would a yoga class or someone that I know both have its benefits, but where would you prescribe,

would say somebody who's interested or listening right now, like, oh, this looks like something I'd want to get involved in or do. I personally would even say, just take a small sample. Let's integrate a couple of things here and there and you work out that way. You get the little tease. Yeah.

And you go, wait a second. What was that? Yeah. You know, oh my. And then, you know, because a lot of people like an hour, hour and a half, you know, if we do the 90 minute class. So if you want us integrating them into the programs, you just hear a little here, a little there, you know, just like that drug dealer.

Just give me that little tease. Okay, now we got you all drunk. And then they're like, oh, I want more, I want more, I want more. Play just the two. Just give me a little bit. Just a little. Don't pound them right now. Just a little bit and then a little bit and press it.

So I got you. Yeah, so tell me, okay, now we got to kind of shift gears here and talk shit. Because that's what we do on this shit. We talk shit. What, like, okay, so just being from a similar mindset as me, okay. What would be, like, maybe the most frustrating thing that you see in the gym, I want to start with athletes, like, maybe as far as like training athletes, like, what's thing that you see in the gym. I wanna start with athletes. Maybe as far as training athletes, what's something that you guys could think of

that pisses you off? Like, some habits you gotta break them out of or some not. Not just with the athletes, but the trainer training them. Like, what's something that you see constantly? No, I wanna get you started. That's why I said that. Yeah. Well, first off nowadays,

I mean, athletes are just lazy, you know, they're fucking it's title little bitches, honestly. But I think like with a lot of the trainers out there, everyone's trying to act like they're an expert, you know, and you walk around any gym, any place and like, oh, I got you, bro, I'll make you a better athlete. And then you look at what they're doing, you're like, that has nothing to do with their sport. That has nothing to do with movement, you know, and then you look at what they're doing. You're like, that has nothing to do with their sport. That has nothing to do with movement. It's either maybe they'd go through a body building routine,

a body building routine's not gonna help an athlete. It's gonna get hypertrophy, but hypertrophy doesn't mean you're gonna be powerful, doesn't mean you can move. Or the opposite end, someone's just trying to crush an athlete. Well, that's not what they need. They need to be healthy, they need to move better. You need to take into account like how many days and how many hours are they practicing? Are they playing their sport? Are they playing multiple sports during the week? You know,

or are they the stupid shit that goes on nowadays and you're playing one sport year round, which I just don't agree with. You know, you're just you're killing them. You're ruining it. That's the trend, right? I'm never talking to you about that. Yeah, it's the trend now. What do you mean without like an athlete playing one sport year round? Well, they make it like hard for you to either a get a starting spot if you're not playing with that team. Like it's a money thing. It's all become about the money.

So it's like, oh, you need to specialize by like fucking seven years old. You know, all my little Johnny's got to play just soccer all year round. If you want to make it, you're like really play another sport and get better become a better athlete. The parents think every every parent thinks their kid is going to be the next star. All right. I got the next Lionel Messi. I got the next LeBron and he can't take a ball. This is your sports guy over here by the way. Yeah. I don't know you don't. Do you understand that your your child has a one in 15,000 chance

of just getting a college scholarship. Right. Oh, dude. And we're not even going beyond that. That's just to get a college scholarship. You may as well buy him a lottery ticket every day of the life. Right. It's for pretty much. It's got a better shot.

You're pretty much. So, and that's a lot of it. That is a lot of it. And the parents are like, oh, they're good at baseball. So let's just play them year round. And it's, you've got to have that diversity. You've got to give your brain something else to adapt to. Now that being said, is this a battle you have

with the parents? I mean, all the time. Is that something that you guys have? All the time, you know. How do you handle that? Yeah, because you can't straight up. I mean, I'm, you guys seem, I'm pretty straightforward and pretty blunt at times, and I'll tell them it's. I mean, I'm, you guys see man, pretty straight forward and pretty blunt at times and I'll tell them,

that's just a stupid ass idea. You know, if you want him to be better or hurt or be better, like they've got to recover. They need to become a better athlete. They need to, and you're wasting money, frankly. Like I think that's the other problem is a lot of these coaches are just bastards and just trying to take people's money.

And it's not about the kids anymore. It's not about, you know, they're taking the fun out of sports. When you're younger, it should be fun. You know, get serious down the road when you know you've got a shot. But, you know, there's nothing wrong with being competitive. You know, get on the field and be competitive. But it's not, you know, end all sale and then be all.

But like all the travel stuff, all the, you know, all of that realm, you know, it's all about the money now. So it's like, like you said just an earlier, it's almost a threatening, well, if you don't pay for this season, if you don't do this stuff, like, oh, I don't know if you're gonna be on the team anymore,

I don't know about your starting job. But you know, let's screw that shit. Realistically, we all know if you're good, you're playing. Yeah, yeah. Have you, if you're the fucking stud, and they're not gonna be like, no, sorry man, you're not playing with it. You're not going to be like, no, sorry, man, you're not playing this winter league. Yeah.

Thanks. Oh, come on. I mean, I've been in part of travel stuff and we, you know, flew kids in from from SoCal from other areas to pitch, you know, and you're like, yeah, tell me, I like this kid didn't pay it. Frickin' dime and other people are paying, you know, thousands of dollars to play and you're flying him in. So, you know, you got a frickin' ringer out there on the mound. And so many of that happens all over the board. So, it's this money thing. It's the, you know, parents, their pipe dream that their kids gonna be the next star.

Well, so as far as parents go, like, I mean, what would your advice be? Okay. Because I've ever stayed on the sidelines and let us all do our jobs. Yeah, absolutely. No, I totally agree with that. I was just, I remember a conversation I had with Dennis

about like a lot of kids really getting into like, look, cross because parents don't know shit about lacrosse. Right? I got him. They don't have to play now. They don't have to do it. Exactly.

Or their mom afterwards going, why didn't you do this? Why didn't you do that? Why don't you do this? They took it up because they don't have to listen to that. Because they had fun with it. Right? And they had fun. Exactly. So that's the reason why you're seeing memberships go up in more obscure sports. Because then kids in a way are like, thank God, my dad doesn't know anything about this sport. So learn how to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And for once I can just go out there and just be myself and play Wow, that's funny, you know, now that would be the advice the kids I think you know get involved in an obscure sport

Yeah, you know, well, it's like Seth Jones of the Nashville Predators, you know, his dad was Popeye Jones and be a player all pro right yeah So Popeye's kid They're they're living there and he starts taking a pocky, you know, and his dad's like, really? Hockey? I don't know this. I play in the NBA. What are you talking about?

And his dad's like, his dad's like, okay, and here his kid gets drafted in the first round of the NHL draft. And he's an anchor and he's going to be a stud for the next 14, 15 years. But now did he pick that sport because his dad is expecting him to play basketball? Maybe, who knows? I've never, you know, it'd be interesting to ask him, why did you pick hockey? You know, is that just something that was different?

And that was the major, you know, that was a big reason why you took it, why you played that? So you guys would be interesting to talk to about this. I always like discussing, especially with somebody that has sports knowledge and then in the backgrounds you guys have you want to talk about Tom Brady huh? No, I don't know. I actually got lovely. Let's go there I want to talk to you guys about your theories and thoughts on like some prototypes with with sports

The stuff like that like how much of a factor do you guys feel that is with you know a kid finding that sport I mean we're talking about right now, a kid choosing a sport for the love, the passion, and have fun, but what about like body types, you know, when you have a good point. You know what? I don't think people look at that enough. Honestly, we come across someone, they're like,

oh, I wanna play this sport, I'm gonna be this position. I got a kid right now, I'm gonna be the quarterback, I'm like, bro. Yeah. Like, maybe you should take a good, but here's your reality check. And I constantly, no, I'm like, bro, yeah, like, maybe here's your reality check. And I constantly, no, I'm gonna be it. And so, you know, I'm always fucking with them like, well, then why do you always

tuck your head when I get after you like the quarterback, everybody's looking at you, you know, you're, you're picking, he wants to be a quarterback in a pitcher that two positions at everybody, frickin' looks at. Right. It's always on you and he's always shine and hiding away. And I'm like, you're short and stubby. You don't move that well. You might be able to throw a little bit, but I might have you ever thought of maybe be a fullback. Your dad was a fullback.

And all of a sudden your dad's a quarterback coach. Like, when was he ever a quarterback? When is what does he know about that? But dad's big. I'm like, you got the body type of a fullback or something. You can still get the chicks if that's what it's all about. Like you're still gonna be on the football team. You're still gonna get some, you know,

maybe not the top ones, but hey. There you go, yeah. You're also ugly. Leftovers. Oh, hey, oh. But it's like, use your body type. Your body type's meant to fricking plow some people over, run through some people, not be the little,

you know, not be Tom Brady. Well, I'm glad you said that because I feel like that's a lot of parents, a lot of people in general just are not educated on that to realize. I mean myself, I wasn't growing up. I didn't know that. My parents, if she didn't work out or anything that I wasn't obviously wasn't where I was

at now. So I played basketball, I played football, I played a lot of sports that I didn't realize how good I probably would have been as a swimmer. And I remember, I'll never forget the first time I hopped in a pool, in Olympic pool to race somebody, how fast I would. With no training, no nothing, just had this natural gift. And it was like, well, when you think about it,

when you look at my body type, I get this narrow-win, skinny long legs. You were built in a huge wingspan. It's like, I was built to build a new one. And I wish Godd imagine if someone would have told me that or got me in that when I was an early agent and actually like fostered that a bit. And he still could be wearing man keenies.

I mean, he's almost there on stage. I just I just think that I mean, I don't know. I think I'm not a parent yet, but I know when I have a kid, I think that's something that I would I would look at like, you know, the way my kid is structured. I'd want to try and teach him sports, probably that are probably conducive to what he's body type is. I would tell him, no, you can't play this right. I try it.

But I think it's again goes back to have him play multiple sports, have him try everything and see what they like. See if they excel at. See if they excel at. And they might find their home, you know, like I think that's a problem. A lot of people are like, they see something on TV and they're like, oh, I'm going to play this sport. You know, I'm going to be the next soccer, soccer stud and have my, you know, haircut and gonna play this sport. You know, I'm gonna be the next soccer stud and have my hair cut and do all this

and start the news, hair trend, but you're like, you're in dirt, sucks. Like you can't run in my own mind. You can't run a mile, you know, the competitive soccer game you're running anywhere from three to seven miles. You do is run. Yeah, that's why soccer, I went away from that

around junior high. Like, it's too much fucking running. It's all running. It was good at it, but I'm like, I don't want to run this much. I just want to sprint. I was like, I went from football to rugby, and I was like, oh my god, dude, it was done. Stop it, nonstop. It's like soccer and hitting.

Yeah, man, the soccer. Man, yeah, man, soccer. No, rugby is awesome. Yeah, lose teeth I mean, man, I'm a manly soccer man. Yeah, man, so yeah, rugby is awesome. Yeah, lose teeth and all that shit. Oh, it was it was great, but it was just I was so gassed out. Just running and running and running and running, you know, there's no no breaks.

There's no times where I water. I'm so underrated. Oh, yeah, when we when people look at the level of athleticism. Yeah, nobody ever talks about. It's true. Very true. Go out and play it just once. And then tell me how manly of a sport it is. I mean, it's right there.

You know, Aussie rules, football is pretty good. You know, there's a Irish sport called curling. The, or hurling, sorry. I was going to say curl, not hurling. Not the drinking Irish sport called curling. Or hurling, sorry. I was gonna say curling, not hurling. Not the drinking Irish sport of Hurley, actual hurling. And when you watch these guys, it's feel hockey to a whole different level. And you see these guys with this ball in this wooden stick

and they're sprinting and they're dribbling it, which means they're just hitting it up and playing like a paddle board. It's like a little tiny curl into this, right? And in one move, this guy will take it and go boom, and he'll send it literally 30 yards down the field, and I'm not shitting you, the other guy literally takes it with the stick.

And I like, I stopped it, I rewound it, and I'm like, did I just fucking see that? And I'm like, holy shit. see that and I'm like holy shit I mean the eye hand coordination. I mean this these guys are they're not stopping. They're still in full run And I'm just like oh my god, but you know they actually have a hurling club up in San Francisco Wow, I'm gonna have to check that out. Don't you find it funny though how like a bunch of nerdy trainers I guess when you see she like that how fascinating oh yeah, so we all see this poor like that They're like this is boring right they would like come up. So we all see this support like that, they're like, this is boring, right?

They would go, like, dude, did you just see what he was capable of doing right there? You know what that would take to be able to do that? It's funny because when, you know, like when I do that when I'm at hockey games, you know, I'll watch the little movements and I'll go, see, I find hockey, I'm a diehard hockey fan and I'll just, I'll see little shit and I'll go,

man, that would a great move. And people around me are like, what are you talking about? Well, because so fast and you're like unless you know what the hell they're doing right? Like you just don't understand how much how much skill that just to be a They look so under control like could you imagine? Them skates on ice skating on ice is hard to do this and at that at those speeds to be able to to do the things They do and and make it look so flawless. It's just unbelievable. Yeah.

While you're getting nailed to, why so would you hit you with a stick or elbow and you at the same time like, dude, it's amazing. Yeah. Being a trainer, it's fantastic and looking at people's movements and realizing the skill level that people have. You know, it's always funny because we always joke about how when we're at sporting events and you see the worst professional player is worlds better than you could ever imagine being.

Yeah. And they're awesome at other sports too. Right, yeah. Dude, remember, I'll never forget that. Yeah, because I'll never forget that. Me and Adam both played, which played a couple of 49ers

and we played just this pickup basketball game, right? Like one of the fucking defensive linemen. Well half of them. He shoots from over half core and just drains. Dumped the ball. Memorize you? And then Duncan, yeah, everybody was dunking and draining from half court.

Yeah, jump it up, dumped the ball. Yeah, and literally, I had to guard him, dude. Three strides he'd be out in front of you. You're just, you know, and you're not even talking about like you're super superstar guys Some of these guys were second-string guys that were and mess around We're all basketball I played basketball my whole life and I'm just getting oh these guys aren't even basketball players But the athleticism is just so that they're like those one percenters. Yeah, that's it. It's like they're planning a whole other speech. JJ, JJ what ice skates. Yeah, fucking scores on. Oh,

dude, there's that you ice skate. I should. Yeah, we saw that. JJ what went in and scored on. Was it Devon Dubnik or whatever. Yeah, that's a scary. What? I got 300 pound man. Dude, I love JJ. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like my favorite. Yeah, dude. I love JJ. Yeah I was like my favorite yeah Watches together as I holy shit. Yeah, he's like and I'm like I'm like you gotta be kid do you remember when they played his I think it was during the comic wasn't doing come when they played his Jumping out of the pool. Yeah, yeah, It's so, it's so, it's so, And you've seen other guys, dude.

We've seen different, different men. But when you get a big ass dude like that, that's a whole nother level. It's a whole nother level. It's a whole nother level. It is, you know. That's what's so crazy. It is, it is a whole different level.

It's funny, it gives back to what you said too. Everyone sees that you think your kids are gonna be this or be that. You're just, these kids are like, you have some actual, that your kids are gonna be this or be that. You're just, yeah. These kids are like, you have no special. Your kids are gonna get mad, dude. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, man, that's kids really good. But then when you see that kid, you just know, you go, no, that kid is really good. Well, how much do you think then, like say somebody goes through a really solid training program and, you know, they train

for strength, they train for power, they train for speed, like how much of that will take them into like a professional realm. Like, can that actually, you know, what do you think the percentage is? Oh, I'll take anybody. No. Yeah. You got to be born with enough. You have to have enough natural ability, coordination and skill.

I mean, you know, what we'll tell anybody is I can make you a better athlete. I can make anyone fast. I can make anyone jump higher, hit a ball hard or throw faster. You know, Neil makes someone hit a golf ball further, you know, Dennis with hockey. I mean, any sport we can make someone better, but you can't make anybody a pro.

They've got to have that. You got to have something there. I think this is such a great debate because I think so many people attribute to steroids now in the industry and all this stuff. And then sport pro sports. steroids doesn't make you an athlete. Right. And I feel like people just don't understand that.

We understand the most. Well, it is. It's what people don't realize is how far we are with training and science and understanding the body. And now what you're seeing now is, and then people starting to find some of how important is some amount of types. I mean, LeBron James was built to do what he does, and he trains like a motherfucker. So you take these guys that are already genetically gifted, and then now they training to the peak performance and they're obsessive. Yeah. That's right.

There's one thing that they do. I'm saying so we're now we're seeing this this freakish type. I mean, when you watch like click on and you watch football basketball golf baseball anything and then you click and you watch it 40 years ago, this sport, it just looks like it's at four times the speed. Yeah. And a lot of people think that's because all the drugs and all the PDs and bullshits. Science. Yeah, it's science. It's what we've learned, the body types,

and what we can do to it and stuff like that. And it's, you know, it's the science, it's evolution. I mean, we're just learning more, learning to move. But, you know, you say steroids or any of these PDs or they're, you know, performing, performance enhancer. Well, so is the right training. You know, some's not. So some's gonna decrease it, so is eating.

Actually eat some real freaking food. Don't eat all this crap. Don't eat all, you know, everything from that's package in McDonald's and all that. Eat some real healthy food. Food that's gonna rot, food that's gonna die, food that's got nutrients that's gonna increase your performance. You know, there's all these different food that's gonna die, food that's got nutrients that's gonna increase your performance.

You know, there's all these different levels of performance enhancements, but it's the people who have the genetic capabilities and then add the enhancements on top of it. They're gonna soar. They're gonna be heads above everybody. I don't even, the vast majority of people don't even give a shit. Yeah. I agree. So it got busted for steroids. Right, so it gives a shit. Yeah. I also got busted for steroids. Right.

And okay, it was a shit. I think it's crazy. We're becoming more obviously. You know, I mean, what you hear you got, I just had this. Someone and I were debating this and this is my take on it. So if you took an MMA fighter and you've got the 205 class, right? And one of them is somebody who's naturally meant to be a 170, 180 pound fighter who's juiced up to a 205 versus the all natural guy who's cut down to make the 205 way, who wins in that, you know, for evenly, evenly built, right?

And everything, I think the guy who is naturally built that way, built for that weight is actually at an advantage, you know, because of because that's what his body is it's built for to move like built for us, built to know that body carries it around artificially, right? And there's just some things that you can't artificially change inside the body to run at that. So I think that's what people do. More and more people are starting to kind of put that together and understand. I don't think I obviously at our level and stuff like that is trainers and stuff, but I think that's what people do. And more and more people are starting to kind of put that together and understand. I don't think obviously at our level and stuff like that is trainers and stuff, but I think more and more are starting to figure it out that it's not as much as everybody thinks as the answer or what separates the rest of us from the pros is, oh, they're on all the

drugs. They're on all the steroids. I laugh at that shit. Alex Roderick, you guys was a Hall of Famer. He was a Hall of Famer before. He was a Hall of Famer before. He was a Hall of Famer before. He was a Hall of Famer before. He was a Hall of Famer before. Roger Clements was a Hall of Famer before. Very bond was a Hall of Famer before. Very bond was a 400-400 guy before. I never did anything.

So do you guys have the same, I see my heart goes out to all these guys that because they're the front end of it, I feel bad that they know that their names have been drugged through the mud because they're the first ones to get busted with all of it. The guys that I make fun of are the guys like, what's his name from? Rafael Palmero, who literally sits there and goes, I did not take steroids. He's like, just saying it. I did. And everyone would have forgot like laughable. Andy Pettit said, yeah, I took him.

Oh, and Peex about him anywhere. Great. I'm talking, all right. Nobody gave a shit. They love good news. I'm like, good for you, Andy. And nobody gave a shit. It's the people that literally sit there and defiantly go, no, I did not take him. And then you realize, then they're like, oh, you took him.

Yeah, it's more commandable. You look like an ass. Yeah, it's just on it. If you did some, just fucking on it. Just on it, say, yeah, I took him. Right, okay, let's move on. I mean, I'm a huge baseball guy. And I think all those top guys they should be in.

You know, there's no reason why they shouldn't. Taking the steroids doesn't mean you can hit a ball. Doesn't mean you're gonna throw over 90 miles an hour, bullshit. People think, oh, they throw 90, 100 miles, they must be on steroids. Yeah, right. You know, all the guys hitting home runs must be on steroids. You know what? Maybe you'll hit the ball a little further.

You were still going to hit a home run before it. Now it's just a little more impressive. But it's still hand-eye coordination. It's not just mechanics. It's mechanics. It's mechanics. It's being efficient through there. It's, most of these guys are taking steroids.

You know, people don't understand baseball. 162 game season. It's a fucking long season. Right. They're taking more of it to recover. Yeah. You know, to keep going. Let's say it's for like the old guys, you know, still trying to stay in the league.

I see that a lot more now. You're seeing a lot more. I kind of don't blame them. You know what I mean? It's like, but you still got a train. I mean, what happens if you just take steroids and you don't train? Well, I was just going to say, you know, it would probably probably open more people's eyes if everybody who was in like in a gold gym Got steroid test and they found out like fuck 90% of the people in here on the roads and nobody looks like it

Holy shit, I guess it's not as much as this crack a lot of people Yeah, a lot of people this thickets the easy you know the easy ticket, but you still got a work You still got to put in the work. Yeah, you still got to lift the weights. You still got to go. The children were not condoning steroids by what I'm not. You know, it's just, it's just, you know, no, no, no, we keep it real here. That's why I mean, it doesn't make your dick smaller. Your balls, my shrivel up. But yeah, I can't say the big dangly balls,

just admit that you did it. Nobody cares. Yeah, it's just one of those things. Yeah. No, so you guys just went to that conference. I wanted you guys to kind of talk about that a little bit. The IDEA conference and kind of, what kind of feedback did you guys get with the stick mobility and maybe like some other cool, innovative things

in the fitness world you saw? I think the breakthrough for us was we have a different approach with stick mobility. We're not coming in and saying, look, we have the best system. We're better than every other modality you're going to find. We're coming in and saying, look, we can make your modality better. We can we can act we can really come in and work with you. And if someone loves kettlebells, we can make your modality better. We can act, we can really come in and work with you. And if someone loves kettlebells, we can make them better with the kettlebells. And hands it.

We can enhance it with the slackline. So when we were seeing people with like the core sticks from my K-DAR and the flex line machine that we just saw, you know, our first thoughts were, how do we incorporate, integrate, stick mobility with this machine or this system? How can we make them blend the two together? So there's a lot of partnership

that we would love to be able to do. You know, we're not coming in saying, okay, well, your system sucks and we just kick ass. You know, right? Yeah, it's very complimentary. Very much so. You saying, okay, well, you're system sucks and we just kick ass. You know, it's very complimentary. Very much so. And that's, and we were privileged enough to meet Kyle Brown from, he does the ESPN Empower Hour. And he's the one, he said he goes, you guys are coming in with a totally different approach that most of these people have never had before. You know, most of these people are thinking, okay, what do you, what do you try and take over?

You know, you're trying to, you're trying to bud in on our thing. And it's like, no, we can make it a little bit better. We can enhance that. I love that attitude. It's very similar to the philosophy that the three of us trainers have on Mind Pump is that, you know, we're not trying to say that this is the answer

and don't do this or don't do that, or ours is better, our way is better than your way or anything like that. There's always lots of ways. Yeah, that's everything that we release or always guides and we wanna educate you and inform you on like, these are different modalities and different ways to do things and different approaches

towards your overall goal. You know, it's not the answer of the way. There's no one way with the body. Which I feel like a lot of trainers are. Totally. I feel like that's the way you make it into one dogman. You make a name for yourself and then you make this cookie cutter. Whatever it is, whether it be a program.

Cookie cutter. Yeah. They stay in the box. They limit themselves. It's like, get outside of the box. There's lots of stuff out there. There's lots of ways that we can enhance someone, whatever they're trying to do or make something better.

I firmly believe if you're a good trainer, you're a good strength coach. You could be put in any situation, any gym, anywhere outside and find a way to make someone better. We walk around with the ultimate tool all the time, our body. If that's all you got, fuck, we can find a great way to enhance everything and get a killer workout, enhance performance, improve movement and mobility. But now, if you just give us tools, well, that just can make us even better.

But you should be able to use anything. If anything's out there, I mean, grab a fucking boulder. You know, grab a log and we could do something. Find a tree, climb, run, sprint, jump. There's lots of stuff you can do. So if you're limited, like, oh, I gotta be in this gym, I gotta be in gold's gym with these thousands of pieces. Like, well, then you probably suck.

Yeah, say, man. I think a lot of us training when we first started. I mean, that was one of the things I used to pride myself on is just give me a little corner. It's all I need. Give me a little corner if I, it's all I need. I'll put it together You know, say it's not how like we all were treated at 24 It was like this one little tiny corner. I remember just being pinned against like the windows

I you know, that's why I like dumbbells. I really felt like you trying to make it in that atmosphere Like you ended up being good. You know, I'm saying because you had to figure that out You were forced to evolve and like well fuck everything's taken Yeah, I got about a six-quite-six area. You know, if you got it, you get in a busy gym and you have a plan or a program and then everything's taken. Well, the shit goes out the window. What's your next approach?

How can you still do your follow your same plan with something else? You know, in a funny story, it's before Leven Ray, I believe in Bill Tuffin, we're over there. We kind of got coined as the back trainers. We were the back trainers. The guys in the back, the back guys in the back room. We were in the back room. That means to be like,

oh, you mean the ones helping everyone get better? I'm looking for Neal. You guys, you don't need all this shit up yet. But yeah, the people come in as Neal here, as Dennis here, as Mitchell, yeah, they're in the back. Oh, you mean the back trainers, the guys in the back? We were like the Rosa Parks. We were like stuck in the back room, too.

That was like shit. Well, when there's room to come up front and someone's not posing in this area or doing something or hogging up the machine for an hour, we'll be using some of them. Take it selfies now. You know, you guys left like, being in a squat rack, doing freaking bicep curls. You're like, really broke?

Can you pick it squat or deadlift or do some compound movement? You know, we go in the back and we'll use kettlebells. We'll use something else. bro, can you pick it squad or deadlift or do some compound movement? Right. You know, are we going the back and we'll use kettlebells. We'll use something else. But put us anywhere, like you said, put us in a corner. Give us a little five by five, 10 by 10 box and we'll still do what we need to do. Right.

I used to spend, like you sit there when you're when you first start and you and you get all this stuff and you start going, okay, I got this client. We'll do this, this, this, and this is client. And then the next day rolls around and they show up and they're like, oh, they do this and this is bothering me and this isn't, you're like, okay, well, scratch that. Get rid of that and can't do this.

And then you're like, what the hell am I doing this shit for? Because that's what you're indoctrinated with. You're like, you just set this up. And then you're just like, okay, we'll have to shit I plan, I can't do. You know, or the equipment's taken, you can't use this and then you're like, okay, you're gonna stand there for 15 minutes

while somebody else uses it until you're like, no, we've got to stay here. Yeah, we've got to stay here. There is a huge trader of you that. Sit there and wait. There's wait and wait, and you're like, bro, almost done. I'm gonna do something. This there and wait. There's wait and wait, and you're like, bro, almost done. I'm gonna do something.

This is in the program. This is the next thing. We will not keep you. With the clipboard. Yeah, I'm like, it's okay. You're gonna need the DNA. It's about, yeah, it's about improvising. It's about being able to change on the fly.

I think that's a great point to bring it. We were asked a question. We take a lot of questions and answers and stuff on the show. And I remember one of those questions was like, what do you learn that you didn't learn insertification and like from the textbooks? Yeah, that's like, the little stuff like that. Like it's just, it's so many things.

Like you do have to be on your feet, you gotta be quick. You gotta come up with something. You gotta keep it entertaining. You gotta, you know, educate them. You gotta talk about their food. You know, it's like all this shit that your doc just gonna be able to write down and program and it's all gonna work out exactly how you thought. The books give you the information,

but they just don't teach you when you get into the real life situation. And you're sort of shell shocked the first, you know, a little bit, you're like, oh shit. And you got, how bad were we in the beginning? Yeah, right. And then you're like, oh, let me refer back to the book. Does the book tell me something about this?

No, the book doesn't say shit about that. This is something you just got to learn. I can't find the answer in this book. Yeah. Well, I may think about it though. How many trainers and we probably all did it, you get your first certification, like I'm a fucking badass.

I got it. Right, I know. And you're like, I mean, really, what can you learn in freaking 10 hours eight hours 16 hours in a weekend right and you get these people and they're like man I they walk in this might look like I'm walking like you're wrong You know and and then maybe you know in the beginning was like I'm gonna use every piece of equipment in this gym I can't I'm gonna be the one that knows how to use them all. And you're like, what the fuck am I doing?

This is stupid. You learn over times, I think the best teacher is experience. You gotta get in and you gotta live in the trenches. And you gotta do it. You know, I learned kinesiology in school. You know, we go and spend all this money on a college education. Everyone asked me about them. I learned kinesiology in school. You know, we go and spend all this money on a college education. Everyone asked me about that.

I learned everything outside. You know afterwards, that was basics. You know, I mean, that was- Give your bone structure. Yeah, that was, you know, me learning- You're learning the body and some vocabulary. And, you know, and then it was like, then I spend my money every year.

All of us, you know, every year we go out and spend on education, on what we want, things we're going to really learn and something that can teach us things that actually we can apply. So the learning really comes in application. You know, go read a book, go take a certification, go do something, you know, watch some videos, then you got to go learn how to actually apply it. You know, if you can't apply it, you don't understand. 100%. What do you say?

We just talked about this the other day. 8,000 or 10,000 hours before you consider an expert. First jet 10,000. 10,000, 10,000 repetitions, a lot, something in minimum. So all these people, that's where I went back, like these people that think they're experts in and training athletes, you're like, you just became a trainer last year, right?

You take them one certification and you've trained you know five people this is your first athlete. Specialty shirt and your specialty shirt okay. They tell me how to use the ladder. I can do it on the ladder. I know at least 50 exercises on the ladder. You know people will be like speed ladder it's not a speed ladder it doesn't teach speed. Well like from the the athlete's standpoint, we see too many, we see so many trainers are like, oh, I can, I can train this athlete and it's all sagittal plane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, they do move tremors. So they don't just go, they just go left.

They do go left. They go left. They do have to turn, right? And not one of those athletes is a track athlete. You know, the only sport that you do, just run in a straight line. Right. Well, until you get to a 400 or 200 or something with a turn. There's a little bit of a turn coming. But, you know, it's like, no sports does that. You've got to be able to move and react and change direction.

Your best athletes know how to change direction. Right. With speed and power. And they're still explosive. They don't have to come to a complete stop. Like, oh, hit the brakes. I'm going gonna turn now You know everybody you ready?

Here I go. One two three now they're running up in their body counting their head once you do for perfect Yeah, before you know it they're gone. Yeah But you know are that that speed expert and I see you know majority of a session all on a ladder. When did you teach them speed? Like at best you're teaching some footwork, you know, maybe a little bit of agility, some, you know, coordination, change of direction, like minor, but now you got to put it into work, put it in like real movement patterns, real usage, and, and you're teaching these light little feet, you know, moves at his side. Speed's ground force. Produce power into the force.

Let's go up the ground. Let's go up the ground. Let's go up the ground. Let's go up the ground. Let's go up the ground. You know, if you're not driving through the ground, you're not producing speed. So stop wasting all the time on a ladder.

Use it as a warm up. There you go. That's it. Yeah. It's a great point. Well, yeah, I mean, you guys want to like talk about any upcoming classes you may have. Like, I know, like, so we're here local in the Silicon Valley in San Jose. You guys have had some classes in Campbell. I know that this is definitely something you guys are going to develop

further and grow. So this may be something that, you know, you guys will be able to sort of package up and maybe trainers will be able to get involved and we spent the three of us actually spent what about four hours today, three about three or four hours today. So we're working and we're developing our certification. Awesome. Stick mobility, fundamental certification. We also are planning on doing performance certification, CrossFit certification, and then... But we also have DVDs. DVDs, yeah. So we got to start really working on the videos too. Cool.

So... Oh, nice. You guys are seeing videos. Yeah, the feedback's been fantastic. I mean, I wanted that from you guys. Yeah. Yeah. We've got some good things in the work. You know, it's gonna take time, hopefully things take up. I mean, we want to be teaching workshops.

We want to be going around taking this national, international, but, you know, starting to teach trainers and gyms and people how to run it, how to utilize it, get it into CrossFit, help the CrossFit world. Please help them. Yes, you know, it's been a lot of- It help the CrossFit world. Please help them. Yes. You know, they need to breathe their wad.

It's been pretty, not blow their wad. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. And then they blow a wad. I get it. It's pretty cool. The Instagrams have blown up Neil and Kevin Steein. Those guys, they've been blowing up with the, with the Instagram, but to see people from

Australia following us and freaking Norway, Spain, you're like, oh, this is awesome. You know, there's people from 15,000 miles away interested in what we're doing. You know, and they're really liking it. And the feedback's been fantastic. From doctors and physical therapists that have been following us. And all these trainers are like, this is awesome stuff. Well, I'm pretty excited.

I'm excited for you guys and hopefully that we stay in contact because, you know, hopefully I'm sure down the road there's going to be something we can do together because. Oh, yeah. All right. We're all about collaborating with like-minded because there's I feel like there's not a synergy in a band together. We're all with you. When you find another one.

The thing is this is I find that every yeah Work I think there's just too much of this. Oh, we're competitors mentality We have Hundreds of million we have over 300 million people in the United States that need health and fitness The pool is huge. It's a huge ocean. And as many trainers as there are, we're just still a drop in the bucket. I mean, in the whole grand scheme of things. So I mean, for us to sit there and say, no, I need all of it. No, there's such a huge ocean out there. I agree. And to collaborate makes us all stronger. And if we can collaborate and bring out something

that is gonna be extremely beneficial for everybody, regardless of age, regardless of what they do, that only benefits everybody. Well, especially when you talk about, you know, you talk about us being just a drop. I mean, there's only a very small percentage of us that are personal trainers out there. And then an even smaller percentage that are actually doing, doing it. I'm actually doing good. of us that are personal trainers out there. And then an even smaller percentage

that are actually doing, doing it. That are actually good. Yeah, that are doing good. I'm trying to, I'm trying to do it. So, dancing around with the foot. All right, well, you know, I don't wanna, I like it is, son. I don't wanna offend a lot of trainers out there

that are just getting started and learning in the part of why we get that. Like I said, we said we sucked in the beginning. It's okay. You've got to learn, you gotta put in, you know, you got to own your time You got to own it and understand that you got to put in time to become good There's a lot of trainers out there that I mean they should be paying their clients

You know to work with them not the other way around you like You should pay your clients for them to keep coming in I have them pay you I always laugh when when The trainer when the client comes in the trainer goes, okay, what are we working on today? What? What do you mean? What are you asking them? You're the expert.

Oh my gosh. You was a trainer for me. Right? But get these people. I don't know if I've heard that one. Oh, oh, there was one trainer in particular that we know that that was every every client regardless of who they were. It was the same fucking question. What are we working on today?

What the, they're paying you $100 plus dollars an hour for you to ask them. I'd be like, oh, let's go to the leg extension, back extension. And we're going to start here. You're like, is it not the same, oh, let's go to the leg extension, back extension. We're gonna start here. You're like, is it not the same thing you did just did with your last 10 people? But they would literally walk in and ask, what are they doing? Yeah, you're like, okay, you're like,

that's crazy shit. I'm not a new concept to me, I don't know. Yeah, right? Yeah. How about we tell them what we're doing. So, those that are listening guys, where can our listeners find you guys? Where Instagram, social media, tell us.

Yeah, you can look up Stick Mobility, Stick Mobility on Instagram. We're on Twitter. The Instagram and Facebook is our main venues right now. Okay. We have the website upstickmobility.com. Okay. Neil is just jamming on the social media

so he has been kicking ass on that. So that's fantastic. And we have a lot of other things in the works. So DVD certifications and just getting it out there. And over the next two years, we just see a lot of growth potential. You know, and like I said, the feedback from the trainers that we've worked with has been awesome. And other than, and with other modalities, you just don't get that, you know, you get, you get certain things and people go, okay, I like it, but, you know,

and then all the trainers like, nah, that's not for me, you know, but you get every trainer that's been in on what, and we've had, and they spent some time with us and learning it and they're just like, holy crap, this is insane. Yeah, I, I immediately saw that, you know, just going through your guys' class.

I think if you have half a brain, you do. If you're a trainer and you have half a brain, you kind of get it. Well, let's have it. But when you go through it, it really does. It just triggers something that you're like, duh, and it's always the best ideas are always the ones that are most simple.

Simple, right? Simplistic. You need a stick. That's it. And that's the thing. You're like, it's a stick. It's a fucking stick. I know.

That's it. I think's the thing. You're like, it's a stick. It's a fucking stick. I know. I think when we took the teacher certification and did a testimonial, I think what I said was this is simplistically brilliant. That's it. Because in 20 years, you know, and in 16 and all of our years, we haven't found anything that's this beneficial to everybody. Something that works this well and truly makes a difference.

We've used tons of modality. We love all kinds of different things, and they're great, but they don't touch on everybody. They don't work to the same degree. So it was the one thing. That's why we're like, let's just go. Let's run with it. This is it.

This is that one thing that's a game changer. And we just keep growing with it, you know, like we talked about before and getting creative. I mean, even in our class, we'll be teaching and kind of come up with something new, our little tweak on it just boom, oh shit, yeah, here we go. Yeah, that feels great, let's take this in. And you just run with it, you know,

and I mean, it's good stuff, you know, a next good project is we're going to write a mobility chapter for a certification textbook. That's right. Neil was telling me about that. So we're getting there. Yeah. You know, I mean, good things are happening pretty fast.

And yeah, it's a little bit, it's been happening in the last, well, like, the whole society, you know, you know, talking to NC EP and Mike DeMora there, you know, and he offered that to us and we're like, oh, fantastic, you know, right. But then having the guys from a spy and some other groups and they're like, this is brilliant stuff. And we had one guy from the Olympic committee, he was waiting at the door for us when we left. And we're just like holy shit You guys stick mobility you guys stick mobility goes. I've been looking for you

Yes, sir, well, I really I mean that's just pretty amazing. You're just like holy crap You know, and then getting you know and and getting messages emails and and contact from people that you're just like holy shit That's a big mover and shaker in the industry. Yeah. So that's been pretty cool. Right. Well, I'm super excited for you guys. I was kind of waiting for, you know, you guys to latch on to something that was, you

know, going to sort of take you guys to the visible public because, you know, I know you guys are like, you're super great trainers and I wanted to see you guys, you know, get out, get out there and help people So this is like one of the best things I think that I've been able to see in the gym and I expect big things for you guys, so we love the with great. Thank you for having us on man Yeah, when you said you guys want to sign your podcast. We were super stoked very cool. So we were like this is awesome It's fantastic. So we were like, this is awesome, it's fantastic. So they, you know, yeah, we are super excited. So check them out at Instagram at stickmobility

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