Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1296: How to Maintain Performance While Cutting, the Non-training Benefits of Creatine, Key Things to Look for When Assessing a New Client & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, your favorite fitness, health, and entertainment podcast, my hosts and I answer fitness and health questions asked by listeners just like you. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you a breakdown of this whole episode. Now the first 40 minutes we do our introductory portions.

Starting point is 00:00:29 We'll talk about studies, current events, we have a lot of fun. Sometimes we mention our sponsors. After that, we get into answering the questions. Here's the breakdown. So we start out by talking about how we got mentioned on healthline.com as being one of the best fitness podcasts. And yes, they called me an athlete.

Starting point is 00:00:46 There you go. I'm an athlete too. Yeah, I'm gonna need to talk to them. Yeah, then we talked about body composition and how sometimes you can lose weight and go up in body fat percentage, totally, totally true. Then we talked about RoboRacer AI and Benjamin AI. This is something that Justin talked about.

Starting point is 00:01:05 I talked about coffee consumption. So coffee can be healthy for you, it can be really good for you. But for some people, it's actually bad. Oh, and by the way, at the beginning of the episode, we, Adam was taking, organified pure in his coffee, takes about 35 minutes to kick in,

Starting point is 00:01:22 typically you'll get a little brain boost when that happens. Adam got smarter as the episode progressed. Make sure you pay attention. By the way, organify is one of our sponsors. If you go to organify.com, forward slash, mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get the special mind pump discount on all of their products, including pure,

Starting point is 00:01:42 which is the neutropic product that we like so much. Then we talked about LA and their interesting practices with the businesses over there. Oh, man. Then we talked about the sun. It's cooling down. Uh oh, it's gonna happen there. Yeah, it's not good.

Starting point is 00:01:58 Then we talked about Trump versus Biden. The ads are heating up and they're getting really, really funny. I talked about how some people are wearing masks the wrong way. You got to cover your nose too. What's wrong with you? There needs to be a course for this. That's right.

Starting point is 00:02:12 Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person says, hey, what do you recommend for maintaining performance while cutting? In other words, when I drop my calories, how do I keep my performance high? Because a lot of times performance drops when calories drop. Next question, this person says, what are the main things you look at when you're doing a new client assessment?

Starting point is 00:02:32 Okay, so if you're a trainer, you're gonna wanna listen to this part. Also, if you're not a trainer, pay attention to what we say because this will help you determine what's the best workout for you. By the way, we actually have an assessment where Justin teaches people how to do an assessment

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Starting point is 00:05:15 Include your shirt size and your shipping address and get that shirt right out to you I'd like to open this podcast by talking about Justin's Mockison slippers. Yeah, the polka harness. Those are each your heart out. Those look so comfy. Dude, you guys are so jealous. I'm like super warm and toasty and whenever my feet get, you know, cold life isn't good. You know what though? The, the, because you have such thick socks and moccasins. Yeah, that's a lot of moisture. I don't know if that's good for the toenail.

Starting point is 00:05:46 That's what I was thinking too. I'm gonna let you smell a lot of heat going on. Yeah, well, let you feel that must firsthand. If that's gonna help your situation, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, I'll take this. A lot of bacteria going on, probably down there. Yeah, it's good bacteria. A lot of fungal times.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Yeah, fungal, what are you drinking? Adam, is it just coffee or did you get the pure in there? I do have a little bit of that in there. Did you mix it with coffee? I did. Try it out. That's a lot of, not the best taste. Yeah, that's interesting.

Starting point is 00:06:13 But we'll see what happens. There's a bold move. This is why I like doing this when we podcast. If you drink the pure, so, listeners right now, you're listening, right? Mark the time. It's been going, I wait, you should tell them, it's been going, I was drinking it before we got started

Starting point is 00:06:26 I'll go ahead okay, so in the next 25 to 35 minutes gonna say something brilliant. You can say something smart Yeah, it's not gonna be stupid Super profound I'm not committing to that. It'll be less done and then yeah in 35 minutes or 25 minutes when Adam says something You're like wow, that's pretty good. That was pretty good. Well, it did take a little bit to get this thing gone. Yeah, man. This is the first time we all are in this new studio.

Starting point is 00:06:50 Just remember, it's OrganifiPure at organifi.com. ForstoshMyPump. Oh, remember that. Right away. That's it. It did that right away. Hey, can I read to you guys something real quick? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:02 Yeah, reason. I, you know, there's this joke that has been going around my pump for, I don't know, years. What's that? That, you know, I'm a tough person. I don't, I, you guys can, you know, make fun of me and stuff, but sometimes it hurts my feeling a little bit. And there's this thing that goes around about me

Starting point is 00:07:19 not being athletic. You guys, who started that rumor? No. You guys keep saying it. Whoops. Or whatever. So anyway, Healthline actually is a very popular website. They get like 200 million hits a month.

Starting point is 00:07:33 Do you guys know this? Damn. I think it's ranked. Yeah, it's one of the number one. It's like, it's in the top 100 websites in the US. So basically, it's a factual, medical, and health website. In other words, nothing they say is not true. So what they did, they did a post about the best fitness and health podcast.

Starting point is 00:07:52 And we were on there. Mine pump actually made it on HealthLine, which is kind of cool. Oh, I didn't know this. Yeah, sweet. So we were in there. And then this is what they said. And again, we're talking about HealthLine right now. They got sources and links.

Starting point is 00:08:05 They're like, let it suck out. This is the first, this is like the second paragraph. Please don't discredit them after you just boosted them. Yeah, I know. This is the second paragraph. It's gonna make me question already. They talk about mind pump a little bit

Starting point is 00:08:15 in the second paragraph. It says this popular fitness and wellness podcast, true, right, we are popular and we are fitness wellness. Yeah. Was created and hosted by four correct still, there's four of us. Yeah. Athletes. Four athletes.

Starting point is 00:08:28 We're fed up with the way the fitness industry focused on people's insecurities about the bodies. Athletes? And I'm like, they did their research. They heard about your horse game. Yeah, that's what you're doing. You know, you heard about your horse game. I was laughing so hard.

Starting point is 00:08:46 I was reading this. And it said four athletes. I was like, I'm gonna write them an email. Oh, that's great. Maybe not. That's not true. That's not great. That's not 100% true.

Starting point is 00:08:57 In our minds. Yeah. But that was cool that they mentioned us. I feel pretty good. I mean, I still fall around. I wrote a bike yesterday. Did you? Yeah. That felt that way That's so much athletic.

Starting point is 00:09:05 Have you ever found a hill? When's the last time you fell off a bike, though? Honest. Oh, I endowed one time real bad going down and I hit like a tree root and just fell right over the handlebars and smashed my elbows terrible. Now, were you an adult or were you an adult? Yeah, that's when it really hurts.

Starting point is 00:09:23 Oh, damn. Yeah, I don't remember the last time I fell off a bike. That's a good question. You probably don't ride hard enough Yeah, I mean I was going for it. It's pretty serious back in the days Really? Yeah, ramps and everything. No, you didn't have big ramp. Oh, yeah, see you watched rad Yeah, yeah, we're doing tricks and stuff. Well, you actually did ramps. Yeah, I got I got pictures I'll bring some pictures. No, you didn't I do did you get off like did you come off the ramp? Just go I stood at the top of it to pictures. Yeah

Starting point is 00:09:50 Picture going down and up that a half pipe I feel like we had like BMX in South had a road bike Hey, this is not bad. I right I thought you stuck with a half pipe. Yeah I'm like I'm watching you do like the you I'm like well,, it wasn't really a you actually. Hey, but technically Half-pipe is two ramps. Okay. I did a ramp one time you did a ramp or a half-pipe. No, this was not a half-pipe Definitely not a I did a ramp and because I was scared I did this I went up the ramp and then I just the front tire hit and the back tire came off So I didn't jump you know, I mean oh? So during that, the rad, you know, years, we used to go outside, we built a ramp to do this. And then one of us would lay down underneath it

Starting point is 00:10:32 and take photos together. I remember people doing that jumping over each other. Did you ever land them on purpose? No, no, we were good, we were good. Wait, I feel like Justin did since he said it. I mean, yeah. Dang, dude. I ran him over.

Starting point is 00:10:43 That's messed up. We used to take our bikes behind where I grew up, I mean, yeah. Dang, dude. I ran him over. That's messed up. Yeah. We used to take our bikes behind where I grew up, there were some foot hills, and we would ride up the foothills. And then there was like, you know, cause a foothill is a foothill, excuse me, are covered in grass or whatever. But then you'd see these like narrow paths

Starting point is 00:10:59 that would go down. It's not like a trail, but you could tell that some bikers made little trails going downhill. And I went with my cousin. And I made him go first, and it was a bad idea. He went down so fast. And then he fell off his feet came off the pedals, because we didn't really have good bikes. And he sat on the bar all the way down the, all the way down the hill. So he wasn't on the seat. He was on the bar. You know, speaking of mountain biking or biking period,

Starting point is 00:11:27 do you guys know, you guys know my brother-in-law, Tom? Yeah. He's real serious. Like, he's hard-course serious. He's got like a mountain bike that's like $6,000. A lot of my friends are too. I guess like where I live, there's like world-renowned courses. And he was actually scheduled to go up to your place

Starting point is 00:11:44 in two weeks and he got a letter saying that he can't come up there. Oh, cause it closed the parks. Yeah. All the parks, even an outdoor park like that. He had already reservations, everything. He was all bummed about that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:58 Yeah, but he's like for real. Yeah, so the reason why I brought him up though is this is gonna hold him accountable. So we were talking yesterday we were day before yesterday but together and I haven't seen him in probably I don't know like a month or two and He's started tracking like his food and fat secret and he's got I forget what app he's using He's doing Strava and something else and his whole thing is like he's not like a fitness guy

Starting point is 00:12:23 He loves to he bruises his own beer so he loves to drink and he's not like a fitness guy. He loves to, he bruises his own beer, so he loves to drink, and he's like a chef, so he loves to cook. And so his thing is like, he does exercise, so he could keep his weight down and allow his drinking, right? So that's all he cares about, really. Damage control. So listen to what happens, so we're talking, right? And he is shredded right now.

Starting point is 00:12:42 He is like, I've seen pics, man, he's really is. He is the leanest. The leanest I've ever seen him since my sister and him together. Single digit. Yeah, he's definitely so well. Right now. But here's the thing. So we're at it. And he's a real smart guy. So he's he's talking about like his, he's, you know, he's tracking his food. He's doing all this, but he's really, he's looking at it just like calorie expenditure, right? And so we're sitting there talking, and I said, you know, I know you're happy with what you're doing,

Starting point is 00:13:08 and I think it's great. But, you know, I could give you a couple minor adjustments that you can make to your nutrition and your plan that would make it the world of a difference of your body. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, you said you dropped about 25, 30 pounds over the last year of doing this, right? I said, what if I told you you got fatter?

Starting point is 00:13:28 And he's like, I didn't get fatter. And he starts getting up the way, right? And he's like, show me his bicep. And I said, yeah, no, no, you for sure got fatter. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I said, no, I said, pull up your food app from you real quick. I said, I bet you, I said, how much you weigh right now? He's like, I'm, he's like, one, 48 or something like that, right?

Starting point is 00:13:43 And I said, I bet you, you haven't hit three days in a row of 130 grams of protein. So I bet because of all the beer that you use for calories, you're grossly under consuming calories, you're grossly under consuming protein and you're not lifting weights and you're doing endurance bike riding for four, three, four hours at a time, your body's definitely paired down muscle as fast as you've lost body fat. So you think that your lean and shredded, which you are right now, because you can see that, but you've also probably lost a lot of muscle.

Starting point is 00:14:12 And I'm willing to bet that you're either the same body fat percentage or higher now. Yeah. So he gets people's up his aproqueous. So he's eating like 50 grams one day, you know, 60 grams another day, 40 grams. I think his highest was like 90 or one day. Now, did you test his body fat?

Starting point is 00:14:27 No, I didn't test his body. But what I told him to do, I said, here's what I want you to do. I said, I don't want to try and shake up what you're doing. Is I think you're doing a great job? I said, I want you to target 150. Okay, so target 150 grams. That way, if you're a little short one day or two days,

Starting point is 00:14:39 it's not a big deal. But shoot for 150 grams of protein, and I want you to follow a map center block one day a week. That's it. One day a week of sending a signal to your body that you need it should have some muscle on it. And you can have them alternate the foundational workout. So one week to one, another week to one.

Starting point is 00:14:55 Yep. Oh, perfect. And I said, just do that. Don't do any more than that. Continue doing everything the same and then bump your protein. I don't want you to do anything different. What I love is that he's like super detailed about stuff, so he's like, you'll do it. Yeah, he's all, okay, I'm about it.

Starting point is 00:15:09 You sold me on this idea, and I'm like, take a picture, track everything, and then get back to me in like a month. I bet you you're gonna see a huge difference. Yeah, no, that reminds me of, you know, your clients that would do the dunk tank, and then they'd be like, the leanest they'd been, and they'd been working so hard at it, and it would say like, they'd given their fat mass ratios, and they'd be like, the leanest they'd been and they'd been working so hard at it and it would say like a given their fat mass ratios and they'd be like, I tried to explain this to him. I said, this is extremely common. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:32 And it wasn't until, so I don't know what year it was. We're probably, I mean, Justin was with me. So I was at least five years into managing trainers that I got connected to Aaron with Fitness Wave, which is a hydrostatic dunk tank that they would come to Aaron with fitness wave, which is a hydrostatic dunk tank that they would come to the studio or to come to the gym. And so it became like a monthly thing that I'd have him come down there and then all my trainers would book their clients. And it was I would say 80%

Starting point is 00:15:59 80% of clients would get on there and be really disappointed in their body footprints. Yet they were down in weight. And remember a lot of my trainers 80% of clients would get on there and be really disappointed in their body temperature. Yet, they were down in weight. And remember a lot of my trainers coming to me, like is this how accurate is this? This thing has to be off, my client. And I listen, if you are pushing your clients and they're restricting calories like crazy

Starting point is 00:16:17 and you're doing tons of cardio with them, just because they lose 15 or 20 pounds in the scale, does not mean that they didn't also lose as much or more muscle. Yeah, total weight is literally measuring the weight of everything. And so it's the ratio, it's the composition, body fat percentage muscle. That's much more important than just total weight. And, you know, I used to see, look, here's the thing, if you diet, let's say you lose weight

Starting point is 00:16:42 simply by cutting calories, you're almost guaranteed to lose right around as much muscle as body fat. This has been shown in studies. And really, it's your body's attempt at becoming adapted to your new caloric intake. Yeah, efficient. Yeah, because if you eat lower calories, your body, remember, your body evolved after humans have been on earth for thousands and thousands of years. And it's trying to just get better at adapting to its environment

Starting point is 00:17:09 because if I eat 1500 calories, and that puts me at a calorie deficit, in other words, I'm burning more than that, if that just always happened and my body never adapted, I would die. Eventually I would run out of body fat and tissue to burn, and I wouldn't be able to survive. So this is something that our bodies are very good at

Starting point is 00:17:26 and dieting alone tends to cause that. Now dieting plus endurance training tends to cause it even more. Plus not hitting protein and taste. And then that's why I said, I told him, I'm willing to, I said, I know I can't prove it right now, but I'm so confident that your body fat percentage is either higher or the same as when you started all this

Starting point is 00:17:44 because of the simple fact of all three things you just said he's missing on all of them Yeah, if you cut your calories really the the only things you could do to prevent that from happening are Liff weights and you the high protein diet and Sometimes even then be doesn't Stop all the muscle loss it prevents a lot of it But sometimes people still lose muscle if the workout routine itself isn't the best. I mean, if you just follow like you lift weights,

Starting point is 00:18:10 but your routine isn't really good, you don't have good programming, you'll prevent some muscle loss, but you may still lose a little bit. So really what you wanna do if you're trying to get leaner to prevent that from happening is eat high protein. Of course, you're in a calorie deficit, and then you wanna follow a very, very anabolic routine. Something that really sends a good muscle building signal for

Starting point is 00:18:32 your body. One of the best measures for this is your strength. When I would train clients that would lose weight so long as they were getting stronger, I was satisfied. Like if I saw their weights go down in the gym while they were losing weight, that's when I was a little bit concerned. Now if you're advanced and you're really, really strong, I mean, you're deadlifting a lot of fun. That's really common. That's different.

Starting point is 00:18:53 But you talk about the average person. If they get stronger while losing weight, that's a great sign that typically means that you kept a decent amount of muscle or kept all of it or maybe even built a little bit of muscle. Yeah, it all depends on your measuring. If you're measuring strength in a gym,

Starting point is 00:19:07 that was one of the things that we got a little debate with too, because he's like, I don't believe that. I'm stronger, I can tell by the way, when I pump up the hill and I'm like, no. You're lighter. I said you're 30 pounds lighter. Correct, and you have more endurance.

Starting point is 00:19:18 Better endurance. Yeah, you've built your endurance. It's getting easier, you've built your tank. And you've lightened in the load by 30. No shit, it feels easier. Looks like because you have more muscle. Yeah, I haven't put on a 30-something pound backpack and see if he's as strong as he was before.

Starting point is 00:19:31 Of course. And he'll like the beat. I remember learning that as a, the very, very first time I tried to get leaner, which I didn't do for a long time, because I was skinny. I was gonna pull up to come easy. Yeah, I did pull ups and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:19:40 oh my god, I'm getting leaner and getting stronger. And I thought about it for like 30 seconds. Yeah, yeah. I lost 15 pounds and I did one more pull up. That's not really a good strength to weight ratio. That's a little bit... So I'm so excited. I got you guys to watch one of my recommended, you know, movies last night, even though we didn't finish the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:19:59 What was it called again? What we do in the shadows. Oh my, dude. Very different though. You need to let the audience know it's a different type of human It's only it's something that we all have in common. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time Yeah, I figured like you guys would appreciate not everybody. It's not for everybody It's kind of offbeat, you know a little bit weird and but anyways. I had a good time

Starting point is 00:20:18 You know, I was glad that you guys liked it But the other one was the AI show that I mentioned, you know a a couple episodes back. That's awesome. That's a matter today. Dude, it's so great. There was, I was watching it late last night because I just couldn't sleep. And there was this, this company out there is called like Robo Racing, I believe. And their whole philosophy towards this automated driving,

Starting point is 00:20:40 you know how everybody's trying to test like their software and everything to see who's gonna have the most You know reliable type of automated car experience and you know that they have to get it within like almost 1% fail rate So what this company decided was like hey, let's do it to the extreme So if we could take this into the racing setting so they're gonna take actual race cars and make them automated and apply the software at these extreme rates. They feel like they'll be able to develop

Starting point is 00:21:12 that technology faster. Oh, interesting. Which I thought was a really interesting approach in comparison to like your ubers and Teslas and Google's and everybody else. I can't wait. I don't think people understand, realize, okay, when cars were first created

Starting point is 00:21:27 and widely used, it transformed society and added so much efficiency and value to the world that it's almost impossible to quantify. It's one of those things that we did that really just took society to a new level, automated cars are gonna do the same thing. cars are going to do the same thing they are going to do the same thing so much space is dedicated to storing cars Garage is and so much time is wasted driving them and being in stuck in traffic and accidents and D wise and think about the functionality you get in a car right now the cars designed for the driver

Starting point is 00:22:03 Yeah cars are going to be designed for the driver. Cars are gonna be designed for the driver. They're gonna be designed for whatever you want. You're gonna call a car, honey. Which one do you want? Let's get the one with the bar and it so we could drink on the way to the restaurant. Okay, or hey, we need to do a meeting. Get the one that's got the good Wi-Fi and the one.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Is that how you guys foresee it? This is my theory, is that they'll do an average of what? Like owning a car, insurance, and gas cost, and then it'll be some sort of a membership that is better cost and then it'll be like some sort of a membership that is better than that. It'll be way cheaper. It's what I'm saying. So it'll be like they'll factor that in. They'll be like, oh, the average American spends, let's just say for arguments say, you know, $6,000 a year on or they're having a car. Yeah, I mean, it's gas whatever, right? And then they'll go for a membership for $900, you have got a car unlimited access

Starting point is 00:22:44 to it whenever. And then there'll be tears of that in terms of like the nice Yeah, vehicles versus the economical one and they'll show up kind of like Westworld right They'll show up to show up like that and they'll just get it. Well think about sure be like that Think of it also the mobility right like if you're underage and you can't drive Now potentially you as a parent you can have car pick up your kids taking place if you're older Yeah, and you can't drive now you have the ability to go wherever you want. It's going to completely change the landscape. One thing I wanted to point out in that show, they showed two different competing companies.

Starting point is 00:23:16 So this company actually makes the race cars themselves. They look like Formula One cars and they have all these crazy sensors. They have like LiDAR, they have all this stuff like military grade satellite information that they can use and access. And so there was two competing companies coming in with their software. So they provide the hardware, they have two companies coming in to compete to see how they do. And one of them was like a German company that's like all about efficiency.

Starting point is 00:23:45 And like real like not complicated code, just real streamline code. And like so everything like worked and got to from point A to point B, the fastest and most efficient versus the other one was like use all the sensors, use all this stuff and like make real elaborate complicated code to get there. And so they're like kind of pitted them together.

Starting point is 00:24:03 And it was real interesting to see how it all played out. So the one that actually did best was the streamline to get there. And so they're like kind of pitted them together. And it was, it was really interesting to see how it all went off. So the one that actually did best was the streamline to efficiency one. Usually right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And they actually broke a record, I believe, for, for not a made a car in terms of speed on there, which I don't remember as somewhere over a hundred, but it was, it was a big, a big step in that direction. Wow. That's awesome. So you know, it's funny, who's gonna own cars in the future is the same kind of people that own horses now? Yeah, I mean, only one of you.

Starting point is 00:24:31 We're gonna be the equestrian. Yeah, like who's gonna own a car? Like somebody who's like a F-ficionado, and oh, I gotta tow my car to the area where we're allowed to drive cars still to do it. I know. I'm banking that like my classic car is gonna be worth tons of money.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Oh yeah, probably. Yeah, that's why I'm gonna, I'm going back to my truck. I should sell it. I never drive the damn thing, but I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna, I remember, I remember my dad and saying stuff like, man, I had this, you know, Mustang Mach 1 this year like that. And I sold it back then for five grand.

Starting point is 00:24:58 He's a like car right now, go for like $60,000. Oh, every time you hear that, you know, it's like, if you can hold on to it, and upgrade it later on, it's so worth it. Okay, so we were all, we all you hear that, you know, it's like if you can hold on to it and upgrade it later on, it's so worth it. Okay, so we were all, we all grew up in the 90s, right? What was your favorite 90s car? What would be, like, what would be a car that, if you drove now, would be like, oh yeah,

Starting point is 00:25:14 this is nostalgic. Did you have one? And the 90s? Yeah, like, no, because that's the decade one. Ugly ass cars. I know they did, but, oh yeah. That's a great one. That's a great one.

Starting point is 00:25:23 That one's still classic though. Yeah. I like that one. I classic though. Yeah, I like that You know that back I was always into classics dude, so I don't know you know what? Remember back to the future we had that Toyota truck those all lifted I thought that was sick when I was a kid the Casey lights now. I'm like dude Toyota's please. Yeah, I like Cool truck. So those are I was still right. Yeah, yeah, no, that's the I mean a Toyota motor dude goes for it But I yeah, I was all about it back then for sure. I like the Supra I'm really supra the twin turbo Toyota Supra. Oh, yeah, that was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah They were just 90s. It's just not the best decade. No dude. No, 90s wasn't

Starting point is 00:25:56 They lost it after the muscle car era. Yeah, once it got past the ends of the 70s it got ugly Yeah, yeah, hey, so I read a study on coffee consumption. That's I think kind of interesting. Uh oh. Cause you know how there's a lot of studies on coffee. Stop looking at me like a furry shoes is in trouble over here. Yeah. It causes hairy arms, pale skin. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:26:15 It's happening. It's sleepy. That's crazy, right? All these things. Most of those. Rose your nose, like, what's happening? No, you don't have a big nose. I do.

Starting point is 00:26:24 No, you don't have a big nose. I totally do. What do you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no growing. You get nose ears. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doomed. And that everybody can have a nose like mine, I don't know. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Wow, set yourself up. Anyway, so thanks for that.

Starting point is 00:26:54 Just a new tip. No problem, no problem. I want you to feel good. Lots of studies on coffee talking about it's health benefits. You know, it's one of the things that's made the biggest U-turns in health. You know, like eggs is one of those. Oh, don't eat eggs. Now everybody's like the biggest U-turns in health. Eggs is one of those.

Starting point is 00:27:06 Don't eat eggs. Everybody's like, they're good for you. Coffee for a long time. It's bad for you now. I'll study showing coffee is full of antioxidants. It's healthy. It actually prevents things like Alzheimer's and dementia. But as a trainer, and I'm sure you guys have experienced experiences, not true for everybody. There's definitely people in my

Starting point is 00:27:26 experience that just don't tolerate caffeine very well. Sure. And it's not healthy for those people. Right. Well, now they're showing in studies that this is actually pretty true. There are certain genetic polymorphisms. And here's a thing you probably know if this is you, like you're probably one of those people that doesn't like coffee because it makes it feel shaky. You know, you get cold, maybe anxious, you don't feel good. So this is probably true, but it says here,

Starting point is 00:27:48 excess coffee consumption for these people can lead to increased risks of certain diseases, like osteoarthritis or arthritis. So it can actually not only- Is that because it dehydrates them? No, I don't think so. Why would it do that? It has to do with the way they theorize

Starting point is 00:28:07 the way that their bodies process the caffeine that's in coffee. That's the big difference. Some people can consume caffeine, they process it. Something else sucking up all the water, as I said. I think what it is is the caffeine is causing, this is my theory. Some neurological thing.

Starting point is 00:28:22 Yeah, I think that the caffeine is causing an increased stress response, which it does with everybody, but this stays elevated in that for so long. And that high stress response, high cortisol, whatever, not good for muscle, not good for bone, not good for, definitely not good for hormones. And you know, if your hormones are off, then you're probably going to get some problems, you know, with, well, thanks for crafting me out, dude. No, you're fine, dude.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Yeah, I never met anybody at Cotullerate caffeine. Oh, I know. Yeah. No, it's down the hatch. No, me too, though, but I can't do that. I don't feel like you train that hard. I think you're kind of weak sauce. What do you mean? You give up easy in one cup. Maybe maybe I see you do two and you're, I know that's because I know how I feel. Yeah, work through the sweats this morning.

Starting point is 00:29:03 We worked out and Justin first off is He's basically not Like a wake Yeah, like I was trying to talk to him, you know, and I was it ready for it No, no kutu cup sin can you get it? He wasn't responding to me. I thought he's mad at me for a second. I just give you I was like why is he kidding me and then he couldn't figure out how was mad at me for a second. I was just giving you a, I was like, why is he mad at me? And then he couldn't figure out how to use a spoon for a second.

Starting point is 00:29:27 He's like, so you guys want me to work out? Can I just go work out? This guy, I don't know. He's like, he's above me in his room right now. And I'm like, you know what, this is the last time I let Sal sleep. I'm sleeping in a different room next time.

Starting point is 00:29:38 Fucking six o'clock in the morning. Toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot. Fucking, I'm like, dude, we have this massive place, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, be all loud you want on that side, that's it. Oh man, that was funny, I already did that. I used to do that, right? No, I thought I was being quiet this morning. That's the problem, that's you trying to be quiet. That's the problem with this. He's got real heavy feet.

Starting point is 00:30:14 You know what it is, I'm a, I'm a, I guarantee if I call Jessica right now, she confirmed this shit. Yeah, she knows. I can't see, she'll agree with you. It's this extra muscle mass I've given you. I can't, I can't, cement. You know, Katrina claims it's a, I shall agree with you. It's this extra muscle mass I've given you. I can't. I can't. You know, Katrina claims it's a dad thing.

Starting point is 00:30:28 She goes, I don't know what ever since Max, you're so fucking loud, everything you do. You walk loud, you sneeze loud. Everything you do is loud now. Loud in the kitchen, everything you do is loud. I'm like, what? I haven't changed. I said, I think that maybe you are just annoyed

Starting point is 00:30:41 a little bit easier because you got a kid, you're not sleeping all the time. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's the bit of that. I bet that went over a little bit. Everybody you got a kid you're not sleeping all the time. I bet that there's the bit of that. I bet that went over everybody's on edge. Yeah, that was well received. You never say that. Tonight's your night.

Starting point is 00:30:54 The last thing you ever say to your wife is, I don't know what you're saying is true. Maybe you're just more annoyed or irritable. Maybe you're just more sensitive. Yeah, maybe you should work on that. That's the worst possible thing it's not to do. I thought it was couch. That was being quiet, but anyway, that was a great workout in the garage. I had a good time.

Starting point is 00:31:11 Yeah, first time I was together, man. Yeah, yeah. The altitude, though, was interesting. Yeah. Anything over 10 reps is exhausting. No, I had to take a long rest. And then it was snowing, and so it was great opportunity. I told Doug to take a take some photos.

Starting point is 00:31:24 I saw you, Rocky. lifting weights in the snow. I so it was great opportunity. I told Doug to take some photos. I saw you Rocky lifting weights in the snow. My call them Jeremy Bundy. Yeah, I fucking influenced her over there. It just was great. It was a moment. Get me in my wife, beat her out the snow. I got a good pump real quick. Can I take something right now?

Starting point is 00:31:37 Ever since I watched Rocky IV, I've always wanted to do one thing. What's that? Carry a log on your back and I can walk up a hill. Maybe. But I just wanted to just lift some weights in the snow. You know what I mean? I finally did it.

Starting point is 00:31:48 You did it. 40, is that all to my? 41, something like that. Yeah, 40, 40. You're so old, and finally did it. And, wow. Dude, L.A. The government there.

Starting point is 00:31:58 So what is, okay, there, oh boy. We didn't talk about this on the show yet. You sent this over, I think. There, dude, I don't know. I think you sent a link over that said that Newsom said that anybody who's trying to send that news. Not Newsom, it was the LA County government. They're local government.

Starting point is 00:32:16 Shut off power. The metal wire. Yeah. That's some bullshit. So what they did is they said, I don't know if it's official yet, but they said it's with all certainty that we would keep businesses closed for three more months, which is just look here's a deal, okay little power hungry most businesses can't survive a month I don't know any brick and mortar business that could survive four months or five months without doing anymore Talk about the government shooting themselves in their foot because what's happening right now is the there's people

Starting point is 00:32:47 that are safe, fuck it, I'm working, dude, you have what do you have to black market is here? I'm seeing it all right more than I've seen ever seen it. I mean, you got you got you got hair salons doing black market right now, I know that didn't happen, but to me, it's like, okay, you got to stay shut down. We're going to make you stay shut down for another, you know, three months, which now brings a total up to four or five months, which is insane. And then they said, we are going to start shutting off power

Starting point is 00:33:12 and water to businesses that don't comply, because we control those things. Oh, here's a thing, dude. Pre-Toranical. Yeah, and I'm afraid they're going to cause some big problems. Well, what happened originally? What happened originally? Originally it was all about we are doing this to flatten the curve to get to buy the hospital some time to get Staffed up to make sure it's not

Starting point is 00:33:36 Well, we don't get quit it and that's happened So and now the the latest is they're talking about waiting until possibly a vaccine, is that right? Yeah, you know, it's not having... Now nobody's in the hospital, and nobody can go anywhere. Yeah, so I was having this, so Sweden, I don't know if you guys know this, but Sweden did not take this approach at all, right? Sweden basically informed everybody,

Starting point is 00:33:58 they told everybody, this is what we think you should do. Yeah, but didn't Dr. Drew check you on that one? What do you say? Yeah, you brought up that and he said, last, Sweden's not a very good example. No, no, no, compare Sweden to other countries in Europe. And so here's what happened. This is true now.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Sweden said they would do this. And all these models, all these predictors, they said, oh gosh, Sweden's gonna have crazy amounts of cases, they're gonna have all these deaths. Sweden didn't even come close to those models. Now it is true that Sweden has more infections than their Nordic neighbors, but they don't have nearly as many as other countries that have operated in this way. So, really, they're kind of in the middle. They've been pretty good. And here's what their health minister said. They said, the problem with these models is they assume that people

Starting point is 00:34:41 don't change their behaviors on their own. Now, here's the thing, people do that. A lot of people don't know this. Before shelter in place was kicked up or kicked into gear, restaurants already were reporting 74% reduction in traffic. People already were kind of staying away. Self-regulating. They were like, I don't want to go out and like risk anything right now. So here was the conversation.

Starting point is 00:35:04 I had this conversation with someone because I'm not an expert in infectious disease expert. Okay. So I'm talking with someone. I'm like, I don't know. It just doesn't feel right to do this because we're supposed to be a free country. And they said, look, we either are free or we're not. So free means if you, we tell you of the risks, if you want to risk yourself, that's up to you.

Starting point is 00:35:23 If you don't, then don't. Now he said, look, it's perfectly along the lines of freedom for if you're sick and you go out and we know it, now you're in big trouble. Maybe we throw you in jail, we give you a huge fine. Maybe the person you infect can sue the hell out of you. But other than that, other than you knowingly infect, going out and risking other people's lives, he said, inform people and then they have to make those choices for themselves. And then people tend to act in ways that protect people a little bit.

Starting point is 00:35:51 Well, I see it happening at my local grocery store. I mean, there's not a law saying right now that they have to wear a mask or gloves in that grocery store, but everybody does. Yeah. A lot of the businesses require it even because that's the thing is like by law, you don't have to wear a mask, but they still won't let you in unless you have a mask. So some stores are doing that. That's private. That's a private person. That's their own decision. And I think that's fine. That's a smart move. I think if you're going into a public place,

Starting point is 00:36:17 especially to me, I look at the at least for me, the two places where I'm at the most risk are grocery stores and gas station. Yeah. I can't think of anything else where I'm at the most risk are grocery stores and gas station. Yeah. I can't think of anything else where I'm probably touching. Very high traffic. Touching something exactly that's so high traffic that if there was one person that possibly came through here that had it that I could potentially pick it up.

Starting point is 00:36:35 So, you know, if I've got gloves and a mask I keep in all the cars and if I go to a gas station I put them on real quick, I use it, throw them away. When I get back in my car and then I do the same thing when I go to the grocery store. Yeah. Well, so here's the risk that I say, so there's a debate, like, is it going to help? Is it not going to help? I get that, and again, I'm not an expert. I have my own opinions, but, you know, take them with a grand assault. Yeah. But here's what I see. Okay. When you're in a position where the state is telling you what to do,

Starting point is 00:37:01 and then they say, okay, we're lifting the shelter in place. Everybody be careful. People are going, it's like a diet. Like you put someone on a strict diet. Then what do they do when they finally go off? They binge. And so I'm afraid that people are gonna rely so much on the state telling what to do with it.

Starting point is 00:37:17 When the state says, hey, it's okay. And then they're gonna go, oh cool, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, and then they're gonna do a bunch of stupid shit. Because they haven't taken that responsibility themselves because they're told not to take that responsibility. They're told to listen to their people. Well, at this point, you really have to weigh

Starting point is 00:37:32 in the economic factor to what's been happening. Like how we're able to even recover if we keep going. Oh, dude, I read it. I'm gonna pull it up right now. There was an article in, I can't remember what the article, the name of the article,

Starting point is 00:37:45 it was like, yeah, San Francisco, Eater.com. And they said that, that, no, that wasn't it. There was another one, there was another article that talked about that, that a good percentage of restaurants have already said that they'll never reopen, no matter what. I think it was something like a third. Really? Yeah, it was like a huge percentage of these restaurants are saying that they are

Starting point is 00:38:06 not going to be able to open no matter what. Even when things reopen. I was Bloomberg. Sorry. One quarter. One quarter. Wow. A fourth, huh? It says right here. One quarter of American restaurants will not reopen. This is from a total bummer. That's a lot of businesses. Wow, that's awesome. You know, my brother's, I have two brother-in-law's, both of their companies actually after this are not gonna require people come into work anymore. Yeah, wow. It's just, it'll be a new...

Starting point is 00:38:34 That's not a bad thing, I think it's good. No, I think it's cool. I think Twitter is doing stuff like that. I think Facebook's moving in that direction also. There's a lot of companies now that are realizing like they're just as productive with their people at home. So, you know, you could save a lot of money by that are realizing they're just as productive with their people at home. So you could save a lot of money by not having massive buildings.

Starting point is 00:38:49 Now let me ask you this, because most of those are tech companies, right? Yes, they're all, you know, they can all be done that way and be done pretty well. The Bay Area is so expensive, mainly because there's a lot of tech jobs, which are high-pairing, high-paying you what do you think it's gonna do the housing market? Well, that's the prediction right the prediction is that all and I think that's if you're somebody who's looking to invest

Starting point is 00:39:11 Especially in real estate. I think that a smart move is to look like on board look at bordering towns to like an hour or two hours away Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know right say away. I think would be a smart place to start like it looking for places That what they cost because know, an hour out of San Jose and the houses. You can get 100, 200,000 dollars. Oh, I'd leave more than that even. You can get a place in towards the valley, which is 45 minutes or an hour away.

Starting point is 00:39:35 You say, Bakersfield coming up. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:39:43 I think that's going to happen. I think that's becoming more and more calm. And then also if you think that things are gonna go in the direction of self-driving vehicles too, I think that will change it. Imagine how cool that be. Well yeah, because now an hour commute because of traffic becomes 30 minutes

Starting point is 00:39:59 because traffic is in your car. And that, yeah. That's right. You can go an hour away, less cars on the road because they're automated now. And then now you don't have to drive. You can send your car, work on your car. And that, yeah. I mean, you can go an hour away, less cars on the road because they're automated now. And then now you don't have to drive. You can send your car, work on your laptop, answer emails for your first hour of work really. So that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think that's coming. I mean, I feel like it's going to be that way in the next decade or two. We're going to see that. This is definitely going to shake

Starting point is 00:40:19 up everything. Like everything's going to look different from here on out. It's just going to be real interesting how it all pieces back together Well, so okay, so just to crap you guys out little more Let's try to move as past that. Do you guys know what solar minimum is? No, is that like when you can only like when you have solar panels They you can only use so much than the rest you have to give back. No, no, no Wait, are you talking about the the sun like Like now we're gonna have freezing-ass weather. It's okay. I read this. So the sun goes through cycles, right? And sometimes it's hotter, sometimes it's cooler.

Starting point is 00:40:53 And so we've been, of course, we track the sun to see what's going on. And they think that the, they, they pretty sure that the sun is going into solar minimum, which is going to potentially cause lots of Solar minimum, which is going to potentially cause lots of Temperature lowering to happen on earth and this is gonna last for a little while. I'm cool with that Yeah, that's as bad news. Well because now we need to produce more carbon because it may think yeah exactly it may cause Famine because remember a lot of crops and stuff rely where they're grown rely on a particular type of solar schedule and heat, or whatever, it could cause some places to have freezing temperatures, droughts. Like an ice age? I don't know if it'll go that far.

Starting point is 00:41:31 Oh, man. Holy shit. Oh, my god, their apocalypse is real. Did you guys find out if that picture of LA was a real picture? Did you see that of the smog? How much it's cleared? Like how much it's...

Starting point is 00:41:41 Oh, I thought Gavin Newsom is Hitler. Did you? What? Don't you need to see that picture? I was like, wow, no idea. Surfers were not happy. Do you guys, did you guys see that? Did you see like the before, or see like mountains in the back?

Starting point is 00:41:52 Yeah, before, before COVID and then and and and current picture of LA. Yeah, I saw that like ridiculous. Am I, has anyone read any like analytics or statistics on that? I don't know. No, I haven't. It'd be interesting to see how much, how much that's dropped

Starting point is 00:42:05 ever since everyone's not driving around. So what happened with Nusom? Oh, so they had a protest, a bunch of surfers, I think in Huntington Beach. And there was like flags and banners and all this stuff. And there was like a Nazi flag with like a Gavin Nusom's face in the middle of it with a little Hitler stash in there. And they was like, wow, Nusom doesn't surf for something. Right, yeah, Hitler stash and everything. I was like, wow, yes, Newsom doesn't serve for something.

Starting point is 00:42:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was laughing at that start. Can we please stop comparing everybody? They don't like to Hitler. It's like, yeah, go to. But it loses its power. But even on that side, it's so funny because it's just, I don't know, man.

Starting point is 00:42:38 Like you just see it slung back and forth now on both sides, everybody's like, you're a Hitler. No, you're a Hitler. Go, you're not slinging. Hasn't the campa hasn't the, the campaigning began with Trump and Biden is, is it sort of ramp up or what? It's starting to get ugly. It's going to be fun to

Starting point is 00:42:52 watch. It's going to be such a good Biden is, boy, he's going to be fun to, it's going to be fun to see him get attacked. Trump, of course, they'll, they'll hit him with the same, you know, stuff that they always hit him with. But Biden's going to be an interesting thing. There's a bunch of people coming out saying that he sexually, you know, he was inappropriate or assault or whatever. So there was this video. They're gonna hammer him on that. There was this ad where that the Trump campaign ran and I was like, oh my gosh, this is brutal.

Starting point is 00:43:20 It's got Hillary talking about how she's supporting Biden and how much she likes him and it's got Biden next to her and then it's got clips of people accusing Biden of sexual misconduct and then it's got clips of Hillary saying at other times all women should be believed, always believe the women. It's got other people like Kamala Harris, all women should. And then it's got a video of Biden, you know, his creepy videos of him like hugging kids. And it would take their hair. It would take a smoke.

Starting point is 00:43:47 I was like, oh my gosh. It's gonna get ugly. This is gonna get ugly. Lots of face like palms slapping. This is gonna get tough. It's gonna be very interesting. They're trying to push voting by mail for this, is it voting by mail?

Starting point is 00:44:02 All voting by mail. Trying to do it online. And oh, I hope not dude But okay, and did we not forget already like this whole thing with Russia that hacked every like are they not worried about that now It's being online and through computers like how susceptible that is to be had. I know I feel like I won't trust it Yeah, dude come on. I feel like I won't, you know, because we're way more easy to manipulate. Right now it's decentralized, so there's like local voting areas will count their ballots and they're not federally controlled,

Starting point is 00:44:32 which I like because it reduces the risk of shenanigans of it being fixed or whatever, but anyway. Yeah, oh, also the Senate passed a bill. It's not passed totally yet, but the Senate passed it that it's going to allow the FBI to track your search history forever. Like, no, yeah. So, so right now there's like a temporary like they can track your search history because it's, you know, COVID, they want that extended forever. So now they'll be able to go and just check your...

Starting point is 00:44:58 Of course they want that. Yeah, don't you? Yeah. Isn't that fun? How? How do we go through crisis and then all of a sudden we lose? A lot more liberties. All that stuff I don't, yeah. Isn't that fun? How we go through crisis and then all of a sudden we lose. A lot more liberties. All that stuff I don't worry too much. There's too many people on this earth for them to be like, really, you're not worried about your search history?

Starting point is 00:45:11 No, I'm not, dude. It's not like yours. It's not like yours. It's like, I was doing research. Yeah, sounding. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We're just like trying to find ridiculous things and like,

Starting point is 00:45:23 wow, you're really into this. So you can't search anything in Google that starts with a letter P without giving yourself away with it. Just enough. You know, that's not mainstream. I can't. It's all his fucking search engine needs is P. And then here comes everything.

Starting point is 00:45:39 That's so not true. You can try it. Try yourself and cognitive on this experiment. Yeah, no dude. Are you guys seeing people, I hope this isn't happening a lot. Are you guys seeing people at the grocery store or whatever wearing masks wrong? Have you guys seen a lot of this?

Starting point is 00:45:56 Like around their car? 100%. No, I haven't seen it that far, but like under their nose. Yeah. Why? What are you doing? Uh-oh. Well, not only have I seen that.

Starting point is 00:46:04 Not only that, they're shifting it, they're adjusting it, their hands are going inside. Well, not only that they're shifting it they're adjusting it their hands are going inside They're not I've seen a lot of is the wearing the Elevation mass I've seen it. It's still you still breathe the air coming in don't you? You still comes in does it really it doesn't filter it? I thought about just constricts the air that you have coming in Yeah, I wanted to do an experiment where I just like face painted one on and like just to see. If I get out of my mask. Wasn't there a meme going around

Starting point is 00:46:30 where some guy was wearing like a cheese cloth or something like that? That's what he was like. It's in placebo on it. Yeah, that's right, that's what I saw. Well the mask isn't necessarily to protect you. The mask is to prevent your spit and shit from coming out of your face.

Starting point is 00:46:43 Right, right. So that's what the, the same effect is you bearing your spit and shit from coming out of your face. Right, right. So that's what the, you can, the same effect is you bearing your face into your arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I've seen people, a lot of people wearing masks just around their mouth, their noses hanging out. I actually saw a mask, this is a true story,

Starting point is 00:46:59 with a slit where the mouth was. What? Apparently, and it was a worker, I'm not gonna say where it was, but I'm sure they did it because they were sick and tired of you know eating and having to move their mask So this is a hole in the mouth like God man people are yeah dumb. Yes This quas brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods

Starting point is 00:47:26 to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organified.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Evan Brandenburg. What do you recommend for maintaining performance while cutting? Maintaining performance while cutting. Ah, that's a good question because we always talk about maintaining muscle and it depends

Starting point is 00:47:56 on what your performance measures are. Is it for endurance, is it for strength? Ultimately, when you're cutting, if you cut too hard regardless of what type of performance you're looking for you're probably going to notice some performance losses. In other words, if your calories are too far below what you're burning, you're going to find yourself hitting the wall while you're trying to train. So number one, I would say keep your cut mild. I mean, don't do a crash cut. I would say try not to eat less than or have more than, excuse me, maybe a 300, 400 calorie

Starting point is 00:48:37 deficit at the most is where I would kind of. Yeah, well, this is why we kind of would always talk about mini-ball or mini-cuts as a better strategy for that too, because I'm always worried about mini-ball or mini-cuts as a better strategy for that too, because I'm always worried about that dropping and reducing performance quite a bit, because if I'm in a big cut, oh man, like going back into a heavy lifting day, it's a fact you're just not gonna be as strong

Starting point is 00:49:00 and you're not gonna, your output isn't gonna be the same, so you just kinda have to factor that in. Well, if performance is, it depends on what's more of a focus. Is the cut more of a focus, or is the performance more of a focus? Yeah. Because if the performance was more of a focus, then I actually wouldn't even cut calories at all. I would increase performance by increasing the volume, more increasing the... So just burning more?

Starting point is 00:49:22 Yeah, the duration that you're doing it. So if I, for example, would run faster, jump higher, I don't know what we're talking about, but whatever the performance markers that you're looking at, and you want to get cut, I would increase the amount of whatever it is that I'm doing, but I wouldn't reduce my calories. So I think that's one of the sure fire ways

Starting point is 00:49:39 to help keep performance up without losing a bunch of muscle mass or losing performance. Just turn that volume up right without you. And this is actually similar to the conversation that I was having with my brother and mom's like, you know, if you have a day and it's computing that you've burned, you know, five, six thousand calories, you know, you don't want to only eat 3,000 or 20, I mean, try and get up. I mean, obviously you're not going to probably eat 6,000, but have a pretty healthy day

Starting point is 00:50:02 of eating. You know, don't, don't constrict that much because if you do, more than likely, you will end up eventually. Yeah, and I would also just monitor your performance. So if you're cutting and your performance is starting to suffer a lot, stop the cut, go to maintenance, increase your calories a little bit,

Starting point is 00:50:18 once performance comes back up, then get back into the cut a little bit and see what happens. Yeah, I've undulated a bit for sure. Undulated a bit if the performance is super important to keep protein and take high, typically especially if strength is important for whatever performance you're looking for. High protein and take has been shown to maintain muscle mass and strength better than lower protein diets when a cut is being employed. I would also look at supplements like creatine.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Criatine is a non-calorie, strength-improving supplement. It will reliably increase strength, and pretty much anybody that takes it. It's a very, very small percentage of people that won't notice strength gains from creatine. And creatine doesn't have calories, So you could still stay low calorie. In fact, if you're, if your calories drop and you decrease your meat consumption, you may be, you know, decreasing your natural crating consumption. Because that's where it's found. No, it's a great point. It's one of those times where we don't recommend supplements that often, right? We're always going to, al natural as possible. But here's a great

Starting point is 00:51:21 example of where I think crin has a ton of value. When you're cutting and you're looking for performance nutrient timing, also can make not a huge difference, but it can make a small difference. No, that's another incredible. Yeah, yeah. I mean, simply, that's another thing I've always given. Yeah, for this case, especially someone like that, like before you go and do whatever it is, whether it be, you know, like my brother-in-law, downhill mountain biking, if you're playing

Starting point is 00:51:43 basketball, a sport, before you go into your athletic endeavor, make sure you have a sufficient amount of calories going in, and then you refuel right afterwards. That's one of the best ways that you can make sure you can. Yeah, I would say you want to have a decent amount of calories, carbohydrates, proteins, at least a couple hours before you're big, you know, competitive, whatever you're doing for your workout. And then like Adam said, have your calories afterwards. So if let's say you're working out today, a good chunk of your calories should be the, you know,

Starting point is 00:52:15 one to two hours before your workout. And right after, nutrient timing here makes more sense. Not going to make a huge difference, but it makes enough of a difference for you to do this. Next question is from Rolex Sabore. Yeah. What are the primary items you look at for new client assessments? The primary items that you look at for an assessment? I'm one of the more important things. Okay. So if I look at the whole assessment, which includes the questions that I'm asking, because that makes a big difference. I'm asking questions like, how many days a week can you realistically work out long term? This is a very important question because that's going to help me determine what kind of workout I'm going to be putting you on. If you tell me it's only once a week, that's going to be different than if you tell me

Starting point is 00:53:04 it's three days a week. Also, I'm also trying to get you to start with something that's going to be consistent. And typically people, when they start working out, super gung ho, and they say they want to work out five days a week, you got to find out what the realistic forever number is and start there. Their goals, that's obviously important. That's going to determine the workout and the nutrition advice. I'm going to give the person their exercise history. So you want to have a good questionnaire essentially. So you know who you're working with. Then the second thing is I'm going to be looking at their movement. Now I'm going to be doing a movement assessment. Now, since we've created Maps Prime, the Maps Prime Assessment has become one of my favorite movement assessments. It's become my favorite because it's simple.

Starting point is 00:53:45 Simple is almost always better than complex. Even if simple is not quite as accurate as complex, because simple is easy to administer, I could do it quickly, and here's the truth when you train a client, you're always assessing their movement. So it's like I do an assessment one time. This is what I, now this is what I go off

Starting point is 00:54:04 for the whole time I train you forever. Every time you work out with me, I'm watching how you move. So those are the main things that I'm looking at. I don't think I can add anything to that. The only thing I would add is to tell people to if you're asking this question and if you're curious about that, you absolutely should be signed up to the webinar, right? So it's free. Go to the mapsprimewebinar.com and sign up and watch Justin take Doug through an assessment. And I'm not sure what this person is looking for. If it's more questions like the Park Q stuff that you'd be asking or it's more like what are you looking at as far as their movement because those are two different things, right? They both gain a lot of information

Starting point is 00:54:41 for you as a trainer and both are equally valuable to your point. So I'll ask you questions about their commitment level and how many times a week they want to train is extremely important if I'm going to build a program. But I think nothing, it trumps looking at how they move because that's the number one thing that way I can help them. I think that yeah, and it's a great place to continue the conversation that you start initially by asking those questions But like we had mentioned before and people have asked us questions like this a lot of times They just don't they're not aware that they need to

Starting point is 00:55:15 Reveal that information to you like I was injured, you know, five years ago and I walk a certain way and I you know I feel tightness and you're not gonna get any of that information until I actually put them through the movements. And so what's very revealing through these three very simple tests is it covers all the bases of all the different options for the joints to kind of show you kind of a little bit of a history of what they've been through and what kind of abilities that they have. And then that way you can take that information, draw up more of a vision of what they're going to accomplish by working with you. And I think that's what they want to hear the most,

Starting point is 00:55:54 is they want to know that there's a plan and it's pretty specific to them and they could feel immediate results from it. Yeah, and, you know, okay, so I'll tell you what a bad assessment is, besides a trainer not looking at anything, that's the worst. Here's another one that a lot of trainers don't realize is bad. The overly complex assessment where they're doing measurements and they're looking at angles and they're doing all kinds of insane stuff that's, it's, it's too much. Unless you're working with like an injury and you're a rehab specialist, it's too much

Starting point is 00:56:24 stuff because the reality is, as you're training them, their body's going to change. You have to assess them every time you train them. And really, here's the value of an assessment for a trainer, 100%. Here's a little secret, okay? The value of an assessment for a trainer is to show your value to a potential client so that they can hire you. Because again, you assess them every single time you train them.

Starting point is 00:56:44 There's no amount of information you can get with one assessment that's going to last you longer than a month. After that assessment, you can might as well throw it out the window because the person has been working out for a month and things have changed. Next question is from AK Josh 84. Is there any point in taking creatine when not training? You know what's funny? Creatine now is being promoted as a health supplement

Starting point is 00:57:10 because of all the supplements that are out there, it's probably one of the most studied and good studies too. It's been studied heavily for a very, very long time. It's been shown to be across the board safe. If you're healthy, you don't have any health issues, totally safe. It reliably builds muscle and strength. It's got cognitive benefits. It's got heart health health benefits. It's got, they're showing other health benefits. I see wellness practitioners now putting it in their supplements for people

Starting point is 00:57:43 who aren't even trying to build muscle to get stronger Crating I think in the next five to ten years will be one of those like one of those supplements one of those things That'll be in your multivitamin even do you think this is a result of You know be like red meat becoming demonized so much. Oh, no. I think this is just the result of of studies Just so many stuff like I see heart. I'm actually reading articles written by coming demonized so much. Oh no, I think this is just the result of studies, just so many, like I see heart, I'm actually reading articles written by heart health specialists that are recommending creatine.

Starting point is 00:58:13 I've seen, I've talked to doctors now who are recommending small amounts of creatine to their elderly population, people who don't even work out or anything, they're starting to give it to them. It's, it's, again, it's gonna be one of those things that you're gonna hear people just, you know, like your mom is gonna take a supplement for health

Starting point is 00:58:30 and you're gonna look at the bottle. That's gonna say one thing. I see value in it. I mean, why not? I mean, especially if you know you're somebody who is on the lower end too of like red meat and protein intake, so which I think is very common. The average person that I would assess and look at their intake, almost every one of them, the average people, and not

Starting point is 00:58:49 talking about the people that are already conscious into weight training and macros. Like, those people are different, but the average person that would hire me, almost always were grossly under eating protein. And so, since that's the main source for you to get creatine, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that. I read a study, this is an animal study, so please don't do this. But the animal study showed pregnant animals

Starting point is 00:59:13 that were supplementing, that they gave a little bit of creatine to, reduced risks of neural development issues, a healthier offspring. And why is creatine showing all this stuff? It's a naturally occurring substance. It's an all animal products or most animal products. And what it does is it fuels the mitochondria of the body.

Starting point is 00:59:34 And the mitochondria is the energy powerhouse. It's like the engine of all of your cells. And if your mitochondria are healthy, you're healthy. If your mitochondria are not healthy, you are also not healthy. And this is, you know, you hear a lot of these, these biohackers talk about. Mitochondrial health.

Starting point is 00:59:50 Crateen is the, it's consistently shown to improve that, you know, more than anything else that's out there. So I think it's probably, now here's a thing, not for everybody. There's definitely a small percentage of people that will take Crateen and get gastrointestinal issues. They'll notice like their gut will be a little off or whatever. That happens to you, don't take it.

Starting point is 01:00:07 But for most people, I'd say you probably will notice some kind of benefit. Next question is from Deener SF. I'm interested in the No BS6 PAC ABS program. How would you recommend that I incorporate it into my current programming? This thing's been flying, you know, because we put it half off and so many people are doing this and it's a program that I created back in 2016, I want to say, or maybe 2013. 2014. 2014, so it was a while ago.

Starting point is 01:00:38 You under years. Maybe actually 2013. It might be 2013. And so it was a program designed to build the muscles of the core so that they're visible, right? So to give you that six pack or whatever. The workout is designed to have, I think, two or three would have considered foundational workouts.

Starting point is 01:00:54 And then on the other days, there's what are called trigger sessions. Regardless of what workout you're doing, just swap out your app workout with what you have in the no BS six pack workout. So whatever your app workout is, don't do it, don't do that in your workout and just replace it with the no BS app workout. And then on your off days, do the app trigger sessions, which are low intensity exercises designed to keep you. So does that mean you recommend the foundational days on the foundational days of your training also? Okay, now here's,

Starting point is 01:01:27 I've recommended the opposite. I've actually recommended that you do your no BS foundational days on your trigger or focus days of our program. Now yes, when you're doing maps programs, because the way we write our workouts, then what I'd suggest you do is take out the ab section of whatever maps program you're following, do your normal foundational workouts on your non foundational, let's

Starting point is 01:01:49 say maps and a ball of days. That's when you do the no BS six pack foundational days. Okay. So you're doing, you're not doing them on the exact same day. Now for everybody else, they may be following a body parts split or whatever workout. Just replace your out. Now, I think why we're talking about no BS, we have to bring up something that I've got a lot of concern about too is, you know, how much equipment is required and if there is any equipment required, are there replacements for those movements? Yeah, so you need a physio ball, resistance bands,

Starting point is 01:02:17 because I show cable exercises, resistance bands work just fine. Then I do a couple exercises on a bench, you could very easily take a chair and do a lot of these exercises. There's a reverse crunch that I exercises on a bench. You could very easily take a chair and do a lot of these exercises. There's a reverse crunch that I do on the bench. You could do those on the floor. I would just suggest doing them much slower

Starting point is 01:02:33 because you're not doing them. Yeah, I do that and I grab the bed frame and kind of go that direction. So really then all you technically need then is a physio ball. That's probably a must, right? Which you can get those shipped over to you on Amazon for super-tree.

Starting point is 01:02:45 And then hopefully you have a set of bands already, that would replace any cable stuff. And then the stuff that requires a bench, you could use for a chair like the Roman citizen. A chair or the floor, exactly. Okay. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com, check out all of our free resources, guides and books.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1296: How to Maintain Performance While Cutting, the Non-training Benefits of Creatine, Key Things to Look for When Assessing a New Client & More

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