Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1313: The Best Exercise to Shrink Your Waist, the Proper Rep Range to Build Strength, Exercises That Are a Waste of Time & More

Episode Date: June 12, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the effectiveness of stomach vacuums as an ab exercise, the ideal rep range for strength, popular exercises that ar...e a waste of time, and why Mind Pump has blogs that seem to counter the Mind Pump message Greg Glassman steps down from CrossFit. (4:40) Community matters. (6:10) The scary notion of Marxism. (8:00) Mind Pump fitness update, the strength gains of Farmer walks, the valuable lessons of manual labor & MORE. (10:11) The mindset going into a workout. (18:24) Is the coronavirus a blood vessel disease? (19:33) The asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare’, WHO says. (21:38) 2020 in review: The news is the virus. (22:33) The differences between knowledge vs wisdom, learning desired outcome, going against your feelings & MORE. (25:50) Where do your priorities lie? (44:19) The effectiveness of Zbiotics to combat the negative effects of alcohol. (46:38) #Quah question #1 – Are stomach vacuums an effective ab exercise? Will they make your belly flatter as some claim? (50:16) #Quah question #2 – When trying to gain strength, is it beneficial to stay in the 3-5 rep range for all your lifts or just the core lifts? (55:29) #Quah question #3 – In each of your opinions, which popular exercise movements are useless and a waste of time? (1:00:18) #Quah question #4 – You have talked about how some trendy ideas are BS, such as women-specific workouts and diets. Yet, the Mind Pump blog posts lately have been titled along the lines of best ways for women to lose weight, how to eat if you are an ectomorph, etc. Is this just for marketing or have your opinions changed? (1:03:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned June Promotion: MAPS HIIT ½ off! **Promo code “HIIT50” at checkout** CrossFit Gym C.E.O. Greg Glassman Steps Down in Chaos Shut down all police movies and TV shows. Now. Does Your Blood Type Increase Your Risk for Coronavirus? People With O Blood Type Appear to Have a Lower Risk of Catching Coronavirus, Preliminary Study Says What The Relationship Between Blood Type And Coronavirus Susceptibility Means For Future Treatments Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says Thinking, Fast and Slow – Book by Daniel Kahneman 'Invisible Gorilla' Test Shows How Little We Notice Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Shrink Your Waist with Stomach Vacuums | MIND PUMP TV Which Is Better: Low Reps Or High Reps? - Mind Pump Blog Fitness Blog | Mind Pump Media Mind Pump Podcast - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Jolene Brighten (@drjolenebrighten)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of MIND Pumped the World's Top Fitness Health and Entertainment Podcast, we answer fitness and health questions, and these are asked by listeners. They actually go to our Instagram page, Mind Pump Media Media, they go under the quaw, meme, they post the question. We pick four of them, and then we answer them.
Starting point is 00:00:30 But the way we open the episode is talking about current events. We mentioned studies, we talk about our workouts. Sometimes we mention our sponsors. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you a breakdown of this entire episode. Now the first 45 minutes is that intro portion that I just talked about. We started by talking about Greg Glassman.
Starting point is 00:00:47 This was the guy that founded CrossFit, got himself into a lot of trouble for some insensitive tweets, and now has stepped down as the CEO of CrossFit. This is huge. Then we talked about farmer walks. This is an exercise. A lot of people don't do because it doesn't work a specific body part,
Starting point is 00:01:06 but whoa, the benefits you can get from doing this exercise. Then we talked about doing one exercise for a lot of sets versus doing a lot of exercises for few sets. We talked about the benefits of that. Then we talked about blood type, believe it or not, a certain blood type may actually have some protective mechanisms against...
Starting point is 00:01:24 Tuck them negative, ow! against the COVID and the coronavirus. a certain blood type may actually have some protective mechanisms against negative, against the COVID and the coronavirus. Then we talked about asymptomatic transmission of COVID or as the world health organization now just said, that might actually be rare, which means we were locked up for no reason, jerks. Yeah. Then we talked about the year 2020.
Starting point is 00:01:42 What a great year it's been. Big fart noise, which led us to talking about knowledge versus wisdom, what the difference is, then Adam brought up, book that he's been reading, thinking fast and slow by Daniel Canemun. Sounds like a very interesting book. And then Justin talked about drinking alcohol and how he shares.
Starting point is 00:02:02 It calms him down sometimes and how we use zeybiotics before we drink because the genetically modified bacteria in Zeybiotic patented breaks down some of the negative byproducts of alcohol. So you drink and the next day you don't feel like a turd. Anyway Zeybiotics is one of our sponsors. You can get a discount if you go to Zeybiotics.
Starting point is 00:02:24 That's the letter Z, B-I-O-T-I-C-S, dot com forward slash mine plumb, you get 10% off your first order, and by the way, you can go there and just try three bottles, and I'm telling you right now, it will literally blow your mind at how effective it is at preventing the negative next day effects from alcohol. Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know if stomach vacuums are an effective core exercise. So we talk about stomach vacuums and their value.
Starting point is 00:02:53 The next question, this person says, look, I'm trying to gain strength. Is it beneficial to stay in the three to five rep range for all the lifts or just for the main lifts of the workout? The next question, this person wants to know what popular exercises we think are total waste of time. So we talk about exercises we think should not exist. And the final question, this person's been following
Starting point is 00:03:15 our blogs and our information. By the way, if you go to the MindPup Media Pagers, lots of written information on exercise and fitness. Good stuff. But they wanna know why some of our articles say things like the best ways for women to lose weight or how to eat if you're an ectomorph, because it seems to counter our message.
Starting point is 00:03:34 And so we explain a little bit about how we're using effective marketing to give people good information. We're sneaky. Also, we're in June, that means it's summertime, that means most of you are interested and probably burning body fat and getting leaner. So we decided to put our most effective
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Starting point is 00:04:12 It's done with weights so that you don't lose muscle. If you enroll in the program, you get all the exercise demos and videos and exercise blue. And basically everything you need to follow the program. So here's how you get the 50% off, go to mapshit.com, that's MAPS H-I-I-T .com and then use the code hit 50, that's H-I-T 5-0 no space for the discount. Can you do the, like the news thing?
Starting point is 00:04:40 Breaking news. Great glassman steps down from CrossFit. Wow. Did I not call that? I feel like I called that last podcast. You did. I think, were you the first one to call it? Yes, you were. I was. Dude, he's, I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, that's like really the only move they had left. Yeah, yeah. To, to, to save some kind of face for the brand.
Starting point is 00:05:04 It is. It is bad. Did you, now save some kind of face for the brand. It is. It is bad. Now, I went through and I read everything that he said, and it was definitely insensitive, but wow, the reaction was strong. Yeah. And that's just kind of the state, the high alertness, like everybody's just so,
Starting point is 00:05:20 like, feminist. You know what it reminds me of? Did you guys ever, I don't know, maybe you have Justin, because your kids are, you know, what's that? What are those books, like, feminist. You know what it reminds me of? Did you guys ever, I don't know, maybe you have Justin, because your kids are getting older. What's that? What are those books of the fifth grader, something about the fifth grader
Starting point is 00:05:31 where he talks about growing up and being a kid in elementary school. And then there's like a piece of old cheese on the black top. And in the stories, if somebody touches the cheese, they have the cheese touch, and nobody wants to go around them. What?
Starting point is 00:05:45 Nobody wants to touch, it's a funny book, right? No, no, I hadn't seen that. It's a great book for kids. You had me at cheese. Yeah, I haven't seen that. So I feel like great glassman has the cheese touch right now. You wanna say, in the story, he touched the cheese, everybody just fucking ran.
Starting point is 00:05:58 He touched the cheese. He's got cooties. Yeah, nobody wants to go out with the gooties. They'll get near me. Yeah, what's the deal? So oh, so speaking of gyms, I'm getting messages from people who are saying that they're going to their gyms and They're packed. That's what I'm hearing too. They're packed and nobody gives a shit about the regulations. They're just in there working out. I've heard the same thing. That's I love it. I mean, it was my part of me. loves that. Well, it makes me happy because, you know, being fit and healthy so important for your health. Yeah. It's so important. What's ETA for Santa Clara? What are we? What are I mean, I see boarded up fucking gym still, right? What's going on with us? I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:06:37 You don't know where we're slow motion is really dragging their feet on this whole thing. Yeah. Well, the cases are spiking in California, mostly in LA. I know in Santa Clara, we're actually doing pretty good. I know, that's why I wonder and why we're not open up our gyms here. I think that there's a criteria that they follow, that hasn't been met. I don't know what that criteria is
Starting point is 00:06:59 or even if it's realistic. What I find interesting is the how much fear there was around people getting together. Don't have more than 10 people together. You can't go to church, you can't do anything. Everybody, don't do it. And then it's so hypocritical. And then mass protests and they're like,
Starting point is 00:07:17 this is cool, let's all do this. And nobody's like, really? Not even just smashed into each other. Yes, and they're still keeping everything closed, even though they allow, not saying that they shouldn't allow it, I'm just saying. No, but I don't know. Yeah, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Yeah, like you said, with churches, not even be able to meet up or I actually saw like a church where their members were outside and they were all kind of spaced out, but they were still trying to make it happen, which is good to see. Yeah, well, for some people, that's a very important part of their life. And I think, you know, community matters, man.
Starting point is 00:07:51 We should be free enough to decide that for ourselves. I was reading the article that you sent over last night's hell. I thought that was pretty funny. Was the the halt on Hollywood right now with films related to cops and that they want them to stop all production. Oh my God. Stop all production on any movies or series that are being shot currently right now.
Starting point is 00:08:12 It was an opinion article. And to rethink the message. So the TV show cops pulled off the air after I don't know how many years of being on the air. Do you guys know that's one of the longest running shows ever? Yes. Yes. Pulled off the air.
Starting point is 00:08:24 I didn't know that. And then that was an opinion article in the Washington Times, okay? That's one of the longest running shows ever. Yes. Yes. Pulled off the air. I didn't know that. And then that was an opinion article in the Washington Times, okay? And it was calling for eliminating all movies and TV shows that have to do with police, which, that's the article right there. Yeah, shut down all police movies and TV shows now. Wow. What a, what a dumb, like extreme Marxist reaction. Don't people have no history?
Starting point is 00:08:50 You know, you know, it's in the market. Okay. So there's a, there's a playbook, by the way, for Marxism. Part of it is erasing, not just erasing history, but eliminating and creating more propaganda by eliminating things you disagree with completely. And this is kind of along those lines. What would getting rid of all cops shows, too? It would do nothing. There's way worse TV out there. It's like really?
Starting point is 00:09:16 Dude, we have TV shows and movies that show rape and children getting hurt and like terrible stuff. But cops fuck it. We gotta learn from history. How do we learn if we're gonna like erase everything? Oh, dude. You ever look at those, you ever see those old photos from the Soviet Union and from Nazi regimes
Starting point is 00:09:35 where they would have like, so in the Soviet Union, what they used to do is if there was like somebody in the party or someone that they needed to eliminate, not only would they kill them, but then they'd go back and edit out the person's photos out of every picture that existed with them. Take them out of existence as if they never existed at all. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:54 They used to do this. And so yeah, dude. So if you're like a political enemy in the Soviet Union and they killed you, they would eliminate any mention of you from history, from the movie. Like you never existed at all. Wow. Wow. That existed at all. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:06 That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Dude, you look, you're looking fit these days. What's happening? I'm a fitness guy, actually. Shut up.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Shut up. No, what's going on? You're doing something. Probably his under leggings. What? Makes him look faster. Under leggings. His long underwear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. look faster. Under leggings. It's long underwear.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Yeah. I appreciate that, though, so I don't see any ball hanging around. Well, today I have plans to do a Turkish get up, so I'm in my workout attire for our... One of the things I think we went with the most affordable or cheap grass when we first built this thing. It's like... Oh, it tears you the fuck up, dude. And it's like 90- something degrees D.A.
Starting point is 00:10:46 I didn't want to wear pants, so I'm wearing you know my long underwear. Like you said, it's like protect my knees when I'm training today. Do you feel like better performance from having tight long underwear on? You know what, I actually do like to squat it. I don't know if you've ever done that before.
Starting point is 00:11:02 That's why I'm saying. Yeah, you know, it does, it does. Because they're so tight. The compression shorts is what Sal's talking about for people in compression pants. Mm-hmm. I do like, I do like the feeling of them when you, when I'm heavy squatting. That's not the purpose of why I'm wearing them today. I'm wearing them today like, like I just told you is if I'm doing walking lunges, Turkish
Starting point is 00:11:19 Gide, if I'm doing anything on our grass, I got to either be in pants or going to do something for like my knees or just tears them, tears them up. One of my, not very good, I'm doing anything on our grass, I gotta either be in pants or gonna do something for like my knees or just tears them, tears them up. One of my, not very good, one razor blade. One thing I used to do when I was younger, when I thought bench press was like the be all end all, I had to get stronger on my bench press, I would always wear a slightly too tight t-shirt on bench day.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I bet it felt good though. It did, yeah. It did, I had this one shirt that I always wore. I mean it's like sleeves or knees or abs. It makes me a similar concept, right? It was cotton, it's not really that big of a did. Yeah, it did. I had this one shirt that I always wore. I mean, it's like sleeves or knee wraps. I mean, similar concept, right? It was cotton. It's not really that big of a deal. Yeah, but I did it.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Dude, you know what I'm falling in love with right now? Farmer walks. Farmer walks. The best. Heavy farmer walks are making my arms grow. No joke. Just the heavy tension and holding them and then having to stay steady and
Starting point is 00:12:04 not all the extra calories you're eating. No, no, that's not that's not that's nothing to do. No, you know, between farmer walks and then also like I've been again doing more. This has motivated me to do more work outside of my house and so I've been, you know, doing a lot of digging and like moving of dirt with the wheelbarrow. I forgot how like taxing that is. I was like, man, I'm turning into a little bitch. Oh, I was like, he's so exhausted after I'm done. I'm just like, oh, I need to rest.
Starting point is 00:12:31 I need to rest. Manual labor is no joke. Yeah, it's totally different. So right now, so Jessica went to go visit her mom in Nevada, right? So it's just me and the kids. During the day, my dad right now is, he's helping some people do some work in his backyard
Starting point is 00:12:49 and kind of building out a patio or whatever. So my dad's like, hey, do you want to take your son over here and he can help me throughout the day? And I'm like, absolutely. Because my kids, you know, and I mean, partly it's my fault, but I don't do a lot of manual labor, so my kids have no experience with real manual labor. So this is gonna be a good time. Yeah, so I brought my son and my son's a hard worker He'll help you he'll work. He's not lazy. He just he's just not used to it, right?
Starting point is 00:13:15 So I took him over there and you know, I'm texting my mom and she's like, oh, he's you know He's really working hard. I said yeah, and she goes yeah, she goes, but it's funny because your dad, my dad has been working hard labor since he was nine. He's got arthritis up and down in his spine. He's got achy joints because of it. But he's got a motor. Oh, dude. So she's like, your son will sit down. Oh, my gallon.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Your son will sit down like on the chair to take a break. And then I'll tease him about it. And be like, your grandfather's still going. He'll stand up like, oh crap. So after they were done, right, I go there to grab them. it's like 4 p.m. And my son comes inside and I can just look at his face. He's tired.
Starting point is 00:13:51 He's just going to sleep. He fell asleep on the couch for like two hours, dude. I was just, this morning he woke up and he was all sore. It's all week, dude. See, make some appreciating. What do they do? What are they building? What are they doing?
Starting point is 00:14:03 So my parents' house in the back, they had a patio that my dad had originally built years ago when I was a kid, but it was time to redo it and he wanted to extend it and make it even bigger. Okay. So, big, big planks of redwood and you gotta tear it down and do the whole thing and so he's out there doing it and my son's out there trying to help and it's just correct. And then my daughter, my mom, because my daughter was there,
Starting point is 00:14:27 and she's only 10, so she can't help too much with my dad. So my mom was teaching her how to make some of her favorite dishes. So my 10 year old, she knows how to make pasta with pesto. She's telling me all about it. She's making banana bread. And I'm like, yeah, this is great. It's better than school. When you send your son over there to do something like that,
Starting point is 00:14:46 is that like a, you tell him I just want you to go do this, or do you incentivize him like nothing? No, what do you, yeah, no. So, child labor is like, yeah. No, no, no, it's the work. You know what, I talk about contribute, I say, I love it when you guys contribute to the family. And I think it gives him a sense of of a little bit of a sense of pride.
Starting point is 00:15:08 And, you know, I understand paying kids to do certain things. That's also a valuable lesson, but I don't want it to replace contributing and helping the family. Just to help. Yeah. Yeah, you know. That's why I was just curious. I'm curious to how you presented it to him, right? Because not every kid, you know, on a summer break or whatever wants to go help grandpa. And they just turn into a little turd that's just like always expecting money
Starting point is 00:15:31 for other efforts of everything. Yeah, that's, I'm always like balancing that out and trying to see if, you know, cause I do want to like incentivize them every now and then be like, you know, like this, if you do this for me, you know, you can earn 10, 15 bucks, whatever. And then, you know, have this, if you do this for me, you know, you can earn 10, 15 bucks, whatever, and then, you know, have them actually like be incentivized
Starting point is 00:15:48 by that, but other times I'm just like, okay, you gotta do this because you're part of the family. Now, have you got with lessons like that? Cause I know you both have implemented things like that. Is there a clear distinction between the two of them, the two kids, because you both have two, or who's like the better saver, and who's like just as soon as they make any money,
Starting point is 00:16:03 they spend it right away? Oh, that's a great question You know what both my kids are pretty good about saving their money They're they're pretty good like I'll say hey, did you want to take your money to the store to buy it? No, I'm gonna save a little bit more to buy something else So that's that's a good question. Yeah, I think it will Ever he would like to spend it right away I mean mean, that was like the initial reaction from him, like when he'd get it.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Yeah, and then he'd want to go buy some useless piece of plastic from like the dollar stores and, you know, bullshit. And then I, and then later on, he started to see his brother and like how he was like saving it and stacking it up and like, he was like, yeah, and he's just like, oh, wow, I need to, I need more, I need more. And he's the one actually asking me for more jobs
Starting point is 00:16:45 because he's trying to catch up to his brother. It's totally competitive thing. So that's cool. Yeah, so that's started to take off. Yeah, it's a great experience. His are such a great way to learn for kids. I mean, working with my dad, I took it for granted as a kid of course, because you just,
Starting point is 00:17:01 oh, got to wake up early in the summertime. That means I got to wake up at 5 a.m. to go help dad work or whatever. And, you know, I was the guy that would clean his tool because he works with mud and concrete and cement all that stuff. So, you know, if you get some dirty, I have to go out and spray him with those. So it's like 6, 7 a.m. you know, and we'd be up in the city when it's for whatever reason, always freezing in the summer.
Starting point is 00:17:19 And I'd, you know, ah, my hands are, and I don't have to carry things for them. And I kind of hated it, but looking back, a lot of my attitude towards work and some of the mental toughness that I think I have. I'm a character in grit. 100%. You know?
Starting point is 00:17:34 It's such undervalued characteristics these days. You could tell when people don't have it, when they work and they just are, for lack of a better term, wimps. Yes. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I. I mean, I can't do that. Absolutely. I remember I had a trainer once
Starting point is 00:17:48 and this was a wonderful lesson for the rest of my trainers, where you manage a gym and part of your job as a trainer, this is my personal opinion, but I think it happens to be right. Part of your job is also taking care of the gym. That's the equipment, that's your equipment. It's not just the Porter's job to clean stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:05 You as a trainer, this is the equipment you're using, you need to take pride in it. And so I had a trainer actually tell me that, I'm a trainer, I'm not here to clean stuff. And I said, wow, that's awesome. So you can go in and leave now. And go work somewhere else. I'm not gonna contribute.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Yeah, I'm above that. Hey, one more thing too about the workout that I had this morning that every once in a while, I thought, you guys ever do this where you're supposed to do, let's say, 10 sets for a body part, like 10 sets for chest, but instead of doing three or four exercises, just do all exercise.
Starting point is 00:18:39 I love to do that. Isn't that great? I love to do that. Yeah, I get such a good feel from that. Yeah, it's just like one of those things where it's just easy on your mind. It's like, I'm just focused on this. And I think that's an element too to work out.
Starting point is 00:18:52 We talk about it every now and then in terms of the mindset going into a workout. That's a great way to really like focus in on one specific thing and then kind of bring that element back into the other types of workouts. Yeah, I noticed when I do that, like the first few couple sets, by the third set, I'm actually stronger
Starting point is 00:19:10 than the first tip, top couple. And then I get stronger, stronger. And then by the sixth set, I start to get fatigued and come down. And then the way I feel the next day, is that there's a distinct feeling in my body. And I get really, really strong at that exercise when I practice it that way.
Starting point is 00:19:27 So, not saying it's the only way to work out, but it's one I think a lot of us, you know, tend to forget or whatever. Yeah. I read some good news, while at least for me. Oh good, I like good news. So, this was, I talked about this a while ago. There were some speculations that certain blood types
Starting point is 00:19:43 protect people from severe symptoms of COVID. Is that true? More evidence. Really? Yes. Type O. So, type O blood may actually provide some protection against the coronavirus. Now, is this just like a correlation they've made because statistically, type O people
Starting point is 00:20:03 have less deaths in comparison to other blood types or like how, I mean, they're all asymptomatic. Well, yeah, there's a few now studies that they've done that are keep pointing to that. And that's not the first time. I mean, blood types can definitely affect how your body reacts to certain diseases.
Starting point is 00:20:20 And so it's not like it's radically new or whatever. But yeah, apparently it's got, now's you know radically new or whatever. But yeah, apparently it's got now I've also reading articles that are saying that the COVID or coronavirus is a blood vessel disease not like not necessarily a respiratory disease. Oh, interesting. Because what they're finding is high instances of strokes and young people. Wow. Have you guys heard of the symptoms that some kids typically don't get symptoms, but when they do, they get this weird like swelling and redness in their hands and feet
Starting point is 00:20:51 and in their face and eyes. They think a lot of the issues that some, so our friend Dr. Jolene Brighton, when she got it, I haven't talked to her about this, but she would post about it. She, her lungs were perfectly fine. They x-rayed them, no problems with lungs, but she still had super low blood oxygen levels.
Starting point is 00:21:11 So it all points to that this may be more of a blood vessel type disease in a circulatory disease than it is at a risk of loss. Did they also, yeah, like eliminate, like the ventilators used to be like this high priority that we needed all these, and then all of a sudden like they weren't using them in treatment. Yeah, I think when you get on a ventilator, the chance of dying is even higher.
Starting point is 00:21:30 It's like it was doing, yeah, the more harm than good. Crazy, right? Yeah, crazy. It's weird. And then did you guys see the statement from the World Health Organization that's causing all the controversy?
Starting point is 00:21:41 Yeah, they're saying that asymptomatic transmission of COVID is rare. So in other words, if unless you're actively sick and have a fever, the statement was that you're probably not going to get it from someone who's not showing you. So that's whole idea of quarantine for two weeks is kind of silly then. Totally. Wow. So basically, if you're sick, you should stay inside. Right. But if you're not, you probably shouldn't want to. It's kind of like normal rules. Yeah. So can we go back to those?
Starting point is 00:22:09 Yeah. Like holy shit. Isn't that wild? Yeah. That's kind of, I haven't even been following it at all. I mean, obviously, if we're out of, once the protest hit, it kind of just like disappeared on the news. Is it resurfacing?
Starting point is 00:22:21 I mean, are we hearing more and more? I mean, cases are spiking right now, right? In some places, overall, they're still going down, but in some places, we're seeing some spiking. I can't help but think. I was thinking about just all the crazy madness that's happened this year, so far. And I remember we were up in Tahoe,
Starting point is 00:22:40 kind of springing in the new year. And the very first day, like I almost killed myself. Oh, that's when you blasted your head on the sea. Yeah, I did. And it just went almost unconscious, like had this throbbing pain, like for the next few days. And I'm like, am I in a simulation?
Starting point is 00:22:57 Am I in a different reality now? Every, and ever since then, the whole year is fucked. Every since then, dude, and then Kobe died on my birthday. And like there was wildfires in Australia that almost burned the entire continent, you know? And then like the COVID, like, you know, Trump, like, I guess, you know, like his impeachment, you know, got
Starting point is 00:23:18 to, you know, like, disbanded, whatever. Like, it was just like all these events, like, just stacked, like, back to back to back to back and then riots and then here we are. What if, okay, I'm not trying to freak you out, but what if you didn't actually wake up? What if you hit the ice right now, you're gonna come up.
Starting point is 00:23:36 You're dreaming this whole fucking thing. Yeah. And then you're gonna wake up soon and Adam, and Doug and I. It's like, it's like the pinch test, like you'd think that, like, I feel pain. I don't know, man. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:47 I don't know, and what if we're standing over you, you wake up? You guys, you've been out for 24 hours. That this whole thing just makes all this up. It's all in my mind. Screw you. Get me out of your crazy coma. I don't like this reality.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Sometimes I go back. Sometimes I think it's, I, is it really that crazy or is it just the way news travels today compared to what it did just a decade ago? I mean, I think it's both. You think so? Yeah, I think it's I want is it really that crazy or is it just the way news travels today compared to what it did just a decade ago? I mean I think it's both you think so yeah I think the thing part of the craziness is that news travels hell fast That's what I mean yeah, I feel like you know if we were to go back like if we had like all the news is the virus Like the events that you just listed fair right those are all crazy things that are happening in 2020
Starting point is 00:24:23 But if you were to like chart them all out and then just go back a decade or two decades ago and pick a random year, would there be as many weird crazy shitty things that were happening in the world? We just are able to get access to that so much faster and inundated with news. How often do we make a rate? How often do we make things worse because of our just tremendous fear and hype and panic? How often do we make a rate? How often do we make things worse because of our Just tremendous fear and hype and panic Harvest it. Yeah, well most people get their news from like Twitter now dude
Starting point is 00:24:53 280 characters For the hell you explain like unqualified people that haven't done any research. Yeah, just throw shit Well, I love my buddy. I love when we're like in a debate like my buddies and I and my buddy sends a tweet over To add evidence. Yeah, this is your evidence cuz so and so tweeted like date line. No, no, no It was a tweet. Yeah, dude It's you guys have a family member or friend who's the one that like when something happens in the world They obsess over it. Yes, text text text text text and freak out. Yes. That's what social media highlights Those people who normally, regular life, so here's what normally what would happen.
Starting point is 00:25:28 I have a million chicken little stuff here. Yeah, I have a group of friends, right? And there's the one person where something happens and they just obsess about it. And eventually, when it ends up happening, you just stop hanging out with them. You're like, ah, whatever, that guy's, they're freaking out, I can't be around this too much.
Starting point is 00:25:40 It's too toxic for me. Well, that's what social media is. It's those are the people that are crushing on social media. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They'll say the scary thing and then it made me think a lot today about. They get rewarded for it. So it made me think a lot today about the difference between, you know, knowledge and wisdom.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And we're, we're in an interesting time. We have never in human history, ever. Have we ever had this much access and this easy access to information at all? When I was a kid, if you wanted to learn something, you had to go to the library, and even there, you were limited to how many books that that library had on whatever you're trying to learn.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Well, right now, I could literally, on my phone, which most people have, most people nowadays have a phone with access to the internet, I can go on there and not only can I access books on what I want to learn about, I can access all the books, all of them, ever, that have ever been written. So we have this incredible access to information which gives us knowledge, but it doesn't give us any wisdom at all.
Starting point is 00:26:48 So I think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing is the consequences of knowledge without wisdom, because wisdom, you need to have knowledge to be wise, but wisdom doesn't just come from information. It also comes from experience, it comes from listening to people who have wisdom, spiritual practices are, I mean, that's where we historically humans have learned wisdom. And so I think a lot of this stuff that we see, and here's a deal, what is a lot of knowledge without wisdom turned into? It's like narcissism, it's, you know, self-importance. You know what it reminds me of?
Starting point is 00:27:26 Okay, we all went through this. Every person has room to it. When you're growing up and you're a kid, right? You don't know much. You're just a kid. But at some point, you actually start to learn a lot of information, but you still have very little experience. Those are your teenage years.
Starting point is 00:27:41 How do teenagers behave? Oh yeah. They behave erratically. Like nothing's gonna happen Oh yeah. They behave erratically? Like nothing's gonna happen to them. They behave erratically, they have outbursts, because they have a lot of information, all of a sudden they know stuff, but they have zero wisdom. So they say shit like, whatever mom and dad I'm gonna move out, I can take care of myself. I know how much jobs pay, I know how much it costs the rent to an apartment.
Starting point is 00:28:03 I'm gonna be, you know that kind of shit. You have no idea. They pissed me off, I'm gonna much jobs pay. I know how much it costs the rent and apartment. I'm gonna be like, that kind of shit. You have no idea. They pissed me off. I'm gonna break his windows. Well, someone like Daniel Kamin, which is a book I'm reading right now, think fast and slow would, I don't know if you would disagree with you,
Starting point is 00:28:15 but I think he would present it differently, right? So the way he presents it in the book, which is absolutely brilliant, psychologist and economist and won the Nobel Prize. And he talks about how our brain operates on two different systems and it alludes to what you're talking about right now. And it's not so much the difference of knowledge
Starting point is 00:28:35 and wisdom, but more so, what operating system are you using when you make decisions? And most of us are working in that fast, and which is thing that our brain is naturally doing just on its own, like on auto. Based off of our experiences, the things that we see, that we take in really quick, and then you have this natural,
Starting point is 00:28:54 predictive algorithm. Right, and it takes a lot of self-awareness to be able to switch from that operating system to the more logical one, which is slow in process. The same thing that you would do to solve a problem. If I threw a multiplication problem at you, even one that's like 17 times 20. Now right now, when I say that number, you guys, if you're trying to figure that out, your brain automatically starts to switch over to the logical side.
Starting point is 00:29:20 It starts to remember when you learn multiplication and your head you're starting to break that down But it's a longer slower process. That's the logical start system in your brain Then you have the other one which is more reactive which is like driving like you don't think about you know Oh, you take this turn right now. You think how do I do that? You just do that and so when we we react to things in news Or we react to things that we're doing a lot of times we're operating in that first system where we just based off of our experiences, based off of what we've seen before, based off of the information that we've read before,
Starting point is 00:29:51 our brain says this is the answer and it will just guesstimate and it'll go in that direction. And it takes a ton of discipline and self-awareness to know, er, pump your brakes. How do I switch my brain over into the logical side? And most people just don't operate that way. Most people don't use that unless they absolutely have
Starting point is 00:30:09 to use that. And the skill is when you have issues or things that are in heightened or that's a lot of risk, right? With you saying something or doing something, being able to stop and not allow that first system to take over and to switch over into the second one. Well, and it's hard to, in these days, where you get rewarded for your first knee jerk reaction.
Starting point is 00:30:28 You know, like you get all these people on your side, you know, for just like reacting and saying something that's going to be... And the theory behind that is that that's because everybody's operating in that system. And so it just confirms all their bias. Correct. They all feel the same emotional reaction. They all saw the same thing and so therefore they all Quince right away jump to it and so if you come out and react to that tons of people jump on board right away
Starting point is 00:30:52 Because they feel the same way too. It completely eliminates the logical side out Dude, this is why it's enough out and all that's a train thought This is why my absolute favorite demographic of people to train were people in advanced age. Now I'm not saying all people in advanced age are wise and self-aware, but a much larger percentage of them are versus younger people. And when I would train them, I would ask them questions. And you know, this is because over time what you learn as a trainer, and got one of the best lessons I ever learned as a trainer, how effective it was to listen because as I listened I was better, I was more effective with my clients in terms of getting them to eat properly and getting them to train properly.
Starting point is 00:31:34 I learned that through years of trial and error. And so without realizing I adopted this, both you guys have talked about this too. I adopted this philosophy of listening and that allowed me, when I would train older people, I would talk about a subject, you talk to your clients all the time and with older clients, oftentimes the rest period are longer, so there's more conversation. And I'd ask them things just to have good conversation.
Starting point is 00:31:57 And because I learned to listen because I wanted to be an effective trainer, indirectly or as a side effect, I would get this incredible wisdom. And so I talked to them about, and I started to realize why older people move slower. And that's not necessarily because they can't move fast. That's sometimes the case.
Starting point is 00:32:15 But if you really observe older wise people, they talk a little slower. They think they let things process. And it's not because they're slower. It's because they're wiser. Now, they've learned to switch that that other operating system. Yes. And many times what that is too is just as default because they've learned through experience operating in the other system so much as not serve them well. Reacting and just saying how they feel, even if they do feel that way, a lot of times may have got them in trouble.
Starting point is 00:32:44 And so years and years and years or decades and decades of learning that, they start to wise up in which you're to your point and they get wisdom and they go, okay, I may feel this way when Sal asked me that question because of all these reasons, but before I just react and say what I'm going to say, I'm going to switch out of that system think logically, listen to everything he's having to say, take, yeah, process everything and then, and then present my information. Dude, it reminds me, okay, so, and I'll just take it back to fitness again, think of the inexperienced trainer versus the experienced trainer. Somebody walks up to them and says, hey, I want to lose body fat, you know, I want to do it, my goal is 30 pounds, the weight loss. The inexperienced trainers like, no problem,
Starting point is 00:33:26 we're gonna cut your cardio, we're gonna increase cardio, we're gonna cut your calories, here's what we're gonna, the experienced trainer's gonna say, well here, let me ask you more questions, or they'll answer a question by saying, well it depends, it depends on the context, it depends on your history, it depends on how, because as an experienced trainer,
Starting point is 00:33:40 you understand that the answer isn't just X or Y, almost never is it just X or Y, because the experience you gain working with people, and I swear, we are literally suffering the consequences right now. Really, look at the way people react to anything. It's with a high level of arrogance and narcissism, a very low level of wisdom. Look at the way science sometimes is applied. Science is, I mean, one of the most effective ways to gain knowledge doesn't lack, or it lacks wisdom though.
Starting point is 00:34:15 It's not supposed to have lots of wisdom. It's just supposed to provide lots of facts and knowledge. And this is why you get scientists who just do stuff without really thinking, should I, is this wise? you get scientists who just do stuff without really thinking, should I, is this wise, and what are the other implications? Or the unintended consequences. Okay, that should be a conversation in any direction. If I'm presenting this, what are the unintended consequences as a result of pushing this forward?
Starting point is 00:34:41 The slowing down process is so necessary, And that's why, you know, there used to be a council about that, you know, like ethical practices within, you know, science and medicine and things like that. Nobody fucking talks about that anymore. Just what can we do? Where can we go with this? Yeah, one of the best pieces of advice ever got in terms of for relationships was from an older client who'd been married for, I don't remember how many years, it was decades, right? And they said, you know, and we were talking about, you know, having issues and arguing with your spouse and back and forth.
Starting point is 00:35:12 And they said, what is your goal when you argue or have a conflict with your significant other? Is it to win or is it to become closer and work it out? And I'm like, well, what do you mean? It's okay. Well, you could win. There's a way to win an argument. But then what you're left with is an angry, resentful, um, distanced partner. Right. The other option is to find out how to become closer. And that may actually mean that you don't necessarily win the argument or agree, or agree. And I thought, wow thought wow that is that's totally true because there are
Starting point is 00:35:47 ways of arguing that will make you win an argument. What if you won? That's not much of an epiphany for you because this is actually when I get interviewed and people more than most common the number one question I get asked when interviewed is how the hell do the four of us all work together? How did you have four type A, alpha personality, entrepreneurs, and then forget together and then not have conflict? And that's the reason why is because even when we have our most heated conversations, is the desired outcome is to draw closer together
Starting point is 00:36:17 and to win collectively, not win the argument individually. I don't care if I'm more right or you're more right in the situation. I don't give a shit about that. I care that we learn together, we get closer to the right answer, and if that means your way was the more right way or minor, that doesn't matter. You know, it's irrelevant. You know what that means?
Starting point is 00:36:36 What that means is sometimes you have to go against your feelings. Do you know how fucking hard that is? I don't think people realize that because sometimes your feelings tell you no, push back, no, you got to win. No, that person said that hurtful thing, you got to say something hurtful back. So what you literally have to do is you have to go against your feelings, which is hard. That's so hard because you're literally sitting there going against your feelings and it doesn't feel right because your feelings make you wanna do something. You go with your feelings, man, the surge that that provides,
Starting point is 00:37:10 like the overall consuming feeling of, yes. The first step in that is recognizing that you have a bias, that we all do and it's impossible to eliminate. Totally impossible. So that's the mistake that we make. I see this a lot going on right now. Like, like, you're going to, like, we're trying to eliminate bias.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Like, you can't. You have it. You have it. Everybody has it. Recognizing it and then switching over to the other system and thinking logically about it is the key and accepting and being okay with I am bias because these are my experiences.
Starting point is 00:37:40 It's not your fault. That's the way the brain operates. It works that way. If it's been in situation one, situation two, situation three, and all three of those situations have shown you something, your brain then downloads that information, and that's reality. So the key is to be able to know, like, okay, no matter if we're going back and forth, and I passionately disagree with you, because of my experiences or how my brain is operating is recognizing that I automatically have a bias and can I
Starting point is 00:38:09 logically think to see your side of this and then come together on something. And like you said, my goal is to come closer to an understanding and to understand that I have a bias so do you, but I want to learn yours. I want to learn why your brain operates. Everybody has a different journey and it all started in a completely different spot on the map. So it's really important to understand that everybody has a different perspective and how can we understand those perspectives a little bit more clearly.
Starting point is 00:38:37 It absolutely, and realize that when your feelings are heightened is when you are most easily manipulated and influenced, most easily. It is very hard to trick or manipulate or fool somebody who's calm, collected, and listening. It's very hard. It's super easy to do it to someone that's pissed off, afraid, especially people who are afraid. You can't see the gorilla on the basketball court. Oh, that's a great video.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about right now. It's the, I mean, the research on that's incredible is to you, if you tell, and that the example they're showing is that if you're, if the brain is focused in this area, right? And they could be in more, more often not, it's working that first system. It's emotionally reacting. So it's in this something could be in your site. You can be looking at it and still not see it, that's so fascinating.
Starting point is 00:39:28 You know, it's, and again, and you're right because what your mind is doing constantly is it's creating a hallucination, it's interpreting signals and giving you what you, what it thinks you need filtering and making it easier. Yeah, and that's, that's, here's the other thing too, is we can't, is to human behavior. We can't throw it out and think that we can, all of a sudden completely change everything and organize things in ways that are, like I'll give you an example,
Starting point is 00:39:54 one of the main reasons why those Marxist philosophies have such a terrible track record. By the way, it's a 100% fail record throughout all of history. One of the reasons why it's so terrible is because it is completely opposite of human nature. What they try to do is they try to say everybody needs to have equal result and we'll use all the force we possibly can to make this happen. It results in destruction and now what is human nature? Well human nature is choices.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Every time you make a choice you are deciding something is better than the other thing. You're driving your car, human nature is choices. Every time you make a choice, you are deciding something is better than the other thing. You're driving your car, you take a right. Why don't you take a left going right is better. You put on a shirt. Why'd you put that shirt on? Not the other one because that shirt was better. So what does that look like? What does that ultimately look like? Well, ultimately looks like we value certain things more than other things and we value people that give us or provide things more than other people. Now, what that ultimately mean? Let's go down a little bit all the way down the line. It means that some people are going to have more and are going to be more valued than other people. Human nature, we're not a hive mind, we're not bees and ants, we're humans, so that's the way it
Starting point is 00:41:00 works. So let's stop forcing so hard or trying to force human nature to be different because it results in something terrible. Rather, we should understand it. Celebrate the differences. Understand it. Work together. That's really the only way we've ever been able to. You can't eliminate that because it's instinctual and it serves its purpose. Right. Going back to the explaining again, the system won a system too. It's like you need those quick, if you were always hard to's always hard to who we are. Well yeah, and if you were always operating in two, you would never get anything done.
Starting point is 00:41:29 If every decision you had to make, putting on a t-shirt, taking a left turn, yeah, was this slow process and you had to think about it and break it all down all the time, you would never get anywhere in life. So you rely on both of these systems, and so the idea is knowing that when you're at the greatest risk
Starting point is 00:41:44 and then you naturally are going to go to your Instinctual side, how do I stop that because it's a high risk because this could be very damaging like a, you know, for example, we'll go back to, you know, how we started this conversation with a glassman, you know, glassman did an instinctual knee jerk reaction. He was operating in system one said some shit, right? That was high stakes because he just lost his company over it. That was a bad decision by operating in system one when he should have stuck in to paused and thought in system two, like an interpretate. Exactly. And that's why one of my favorite lessons ever in life and in business was learning desired outcome.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And I try and teach this to anybody that I'm working with or developing. And that's like before you say, do or react to anything, especially when the stakes are high, is to always, no matter what it is. I'm talking about a conversation with your spouse, talking about having one with an employee, anything that has got a high risk behind it is what is my desired outcome? What do I want to happen from this? And a lot of times if you play out what you're thinking you want to say or what you're thinking what you want to do, many times it doesn't lead to your desired outcome and you know that you just don't stop to think about that like
Starting point is 00:42:57 oh, this is how I feel so I'm gonna say this okay What is your desired outcome? Do you want x, y and happen? Because, and is that the greatest path to get there? Many times when you can ask somebody to ask themselves that they will, oh, you know what, you're right. If I do say that, and if this is my true desired outcome, I want this to happen. Do you know how many times I've changed my mind or changed my reaction based off of that?
Starting point is 00:43:19 Yeah. Every single time, almost every time I have a reaction and I stop and ask myself that, it turns into, oh yeah, I guess you probably shouldn't say it that. You know, there are some remedies to some of the downfalls of these systems. One of them is to understand individualism and to discard most forms of collectivism.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Now, what does that mean? That means that generalizing, there's some value to it, but you always want to, when you look at people, you always want to look at them as an individual. Does that person represent a bunch of people or just themselves? Are there actions talking about them or does it represent a bunch of people?
Starting point is 00:44:02 And at the end of the day, look, the smallest of all minorities is the individual. So if you can go down to that point and protect that and look at that, you'll protect every other group or minority or whatever, I want stressful conversations. All these conversations are so, are you guys finding yourselves drinking more and using more?
Starting point is 00:44:22 Just in for sure. I'm sorry. I'm not the big role-me or sure. I'm not the big. You're gonna roll me. I'm not, I mean, you know me, I go to the grass, you know what I'm saying? That's my direction. So if I just say grass, I have a horticulture.
Starting point is 00:44:33 I have a horticulture. That's such a 70, yeah man. What are the grass? That's the way that's the direction I'm going. So that settles me down more than having a drink or two. Justin I think would always go that way. I mean, am might write or not. No, no, you're not wrong.
Starting point is 00:44:46 So yeah, I mean, I've definitely like up to my intake a bit and it's just mainly to take the edge off a bit. Like just, it's just, it's just overwhelming feeling that I'm just trying to kind of like, you know, wipe that out of my system. That energy just trying like, just chill and kind of get myself back to, get myself back to homeostasis. But it's one of those things I'm monitoring because I could find myself, ooh, that does
Starting point is 00:45:12 help to take the edge off, but then I'm a little excessive on the weekends. You know what? No, I was going to ask if you and Courtney kind of have, because one of the things I do notice about you, Justin, you're really good. I guess it's really good, but it's a pain in the ass when I'm trying to get a hold of you. After we leave work around four or five, by that time, you're normally pretty disconnected.
Starting point is 00:45:31 I can rely on Doug. Doug's pretty, he's there till midnight or one with me. So he'll respond to the thread. Sal's hit or miss. You're pretty consistently not. Do you have a routine that you have set up like as far as I just completely detach and decompress? What does it look like?
Starting point is 00:45:47 I do. I've been really trying to make that a priority. I think everybody needs to step back and figure out where their priorities lie. For me, I've just noticed that I was on this pattern of checking my phone and then really just diving into all these like excess things that I need to accomplish and always, you know, not really like prioritizing throughout my day where I could accomplish it then
Starting point is 00:46:13 versus when I get home and then I would just like kind of put it off and then take it all in and that would interrupt my time with my family and my conversations would be terrible with my wife and then my kids would be showing me things. I would just, you know, like acknowledge, but I wasn't present enough to really see what was right in front of me and that really frustrated me.
Starting point is 00:46:34 So. What a good man. That's very, very, very, very smart. You know, you talked about drinking. I have to address this. So one of our sponsors is ebiotic, right? And they, for the listeners out, no, no, the ebiotic is this probiotic that's designed to you drink it before you drink alcohol.
Starting point is 00:46:50 It's amazing. And it comes in the bacteria in this particular product actually eats or helps degrade or break down some of the negative byproducts of alcohol. So like you don't feel so crappy the next day and it's actually crazy, crazy effective. And one of the reasons why it's effective and this is the message that I've been getting is because they took a normal bacteria, the same bacteria you'll find in like natto, which is a type of fermented soy, and they genetically modified it. So actually went in there and they modified the bacteria to, when it's doing its job to produce this enzyme that breaks down the negative bright byproducts of alcohol.
Starting point is 00:47:30 So you can't find any bacteria that does this. It's only when they genetically modified this particular bacteria. So people are like, oh my god, genetically modified this one. Are one GMO products. This is what I want to bring up. My beef with GMOs isn't necessarily the GMO product itself. This is not true for zibotics.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Zibotics doesn't use glyphosate or other shit like that. When you have GMO like plants, it's not the GMO plant itself. It's not the GMO corn that might be showing problems. It's the fact that that corn was modified to accept tons of herbicide, and it's the herbicide that the residue of that that may cause issues for people. So, zybiotics doesn't, they don't spray anything with herbicide, there's no pesticide. It's just the bacteria, but it has been modified to produce an enzyme. It's very specific just to this product, because again, it's their patented product that actually breaks down
Starting point is 00:48:27 the byproducts of alcohol, and if you tend to like, I do feel crappy the day after drinking. This stuff is like magic. Well, I've done my own little experiments with it. I brought a few home from me in Courtney, and you know, the tampon thing that people are doing, that's all the popular right now. What the hell, dude?
Starting point is 00:48:43 Okay, yeah, you've heard of this. So yeah, I heard about this. This was some, it was even kids. It was like, boys were doing this, right? doing it that's all the popular right now. What the I know, like, who's the friend that started? Hey, guys, like, I got this idea. Or a friend that helps you. Hey, wait a minute, guy. Hey, what did I say earlier about teenagers? Knowledge, no wisdom. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:49:16 One of those, one, one, one, operating that first system, but think about the things we used to smoke, you know, like, like banana peels and like dumb shit. I'm telling you, some kid with lots of knowledge is like, hey, you know you could get drunk through your rectal cavity and he's like, we could just do this and then no wisdom. You know what I mean? I blame jackass for that, right?
Starting point is 00:49:32 That's where I've got popular. Before that I had never even heard of anybody trying. I feel like that would burn the hell out of your butt. Oh yeah, I'm sure. I mean, that's right up there with, with huff and paint chips, you know, like, that's, that's stupid. Yeah. Shhh. Shhh. Quick call.
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Starting point is 00:50:09 It's the motherfucking world! An English Landage! Quique-quique First question is from Black T-shirt 7. Are stomach vacuums an effective AB exercise? Will they help make your belly flatter as some claim? Oh, the good old vacuum pose. Sure they will. Well, they're not an AB exercise, so let's be clear.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Don't take a vacuum and put it on your stomach. No, don't do that. Don't do that. No, it's not an AB exercise. So the ABs, they attach to the pelvis, they attach up at the rib cage, and when the ABs contract, they bring the rib cage closer to the pelvis, like a crunch. The muscles that you're working, when you suck in your stomach,
Starting point is 00:50:51 that's what a vacuum pose is, right? So it's like, imagine you're at the beach, and somebody attractive walks by, and you wanna make your stomach look flatter. So what do you do? You suck in your belly button a little bit. That's called the transverse abdominis, the TVA, and that muscle literally is like your body's weight belt.
Starting point is 00:51:07 It literally cinches in and is like a brace. So if you've ever worn a weight belt and you wonder why it makes you feel more stable, it's because it's increasing core stability. Well, the TVA on its own will do that and it does it by pulling in. So if you make that muscle stronger, yes, it can, especially if you have a weak one, it can shrink your waist.
Starting point is 00:51:29 A really weak TVA aside from producing, you know, low back problems and stability issues, remember, you're standing, so gravity's pushing your organs down, and then they're gonna kind of come out. And so strength in the TVA kind of brings everything tighter. And I've actually measured this with clients. Typically, I would have a client lose a quarter
Starting point is 00:51:49 to a half inch around their waist when they would practice effective vacuum poses without getting any leaner. It was all because they got strong in that area. Women post pregnancy, this is a very important exercise for you. Because when you're pregnant, the TVA muscles, they stretch and atrophy to make room for baby. And when you're done, and you have your baby, if you don't target this muscle, it doesn't have a good reason to get tight
Starting point is 00:52:16 again. This was one of those I had to explain a lot, especially with women who had just had a kid and came back and we're really trying to get that flatness of the stomach again and we're doing crunches for days and just didn't understand why, didn't have the same response. And so to be able to get that gain, regain that connectivity to the TVA, makes a massive difference.
Starting point is 00:52:39 And it is something that you can work on and reconnect and rebuild and get stronger again. Well, this is also a great time to point out how stupid corsets are too, and waist trainers, right? So we haven't talked about those in a long time. I know that I think I saw a question not that long ago and we're like, oh wow, we haven't addressed that in a while. But when you wear those corsets or waist trainers,
Starting point is 00:53:00 this is what you atrophy. I mean, you are creating an artificial TVA in a sense, drawing in your stomach. The problem with that is you weaken those muscles by wearing some of that. And same thing goes for the guys that love to wear their weight belt the entire time they work out, like all the time, like it's not a good idea to do that.
Starting point is 00:53:17 You wanna be able to train those muscles that draw this stomach in, not just for aesthetic reasons, so you look cooler or look better or flatter stomach, but because that's your support system. I mean, I think it's 28 or 32 different muscles internally that it's made up of, that wraps around the spine, and works as a vacuum around the spine to support it. If you wear a corset or these waist trainers, or even your belt tight all the time while you're working out, you start to weaken those muscles. And arguably, some of the most important muscles
Starting point is 00:53:45 in the entire body, it's so absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. And it's not even just weakening. You wear a belt, you actually teach your core muscles to do the opposite of what they do normally because they push out against the belt. So the belt provides that stability. But when you don't wear a belt,
Starting point is 00:54:01 the more effective way to build stability or the effective way to do it naturally is for things to kind of draw in And tighten up. It's funny because vacuum poses used to be Very big part of bodybuilding in the early days bodybuilders would get on stage and they'd suck in their midsection and show the ribcage and how small their waist was and Yeah, you don't see that much anymore. Is that not like part of their pose? They're bringing up they bring it they're bringing it back in the new division, the classic posing. Yeah, so it's, they're,
Starting point is 00:54:29 did you practice these when you competed? I did, but not like on stage, right? So like part of men's physique that that's not like a staple pose, but I understood the value of it, you know, to be able to make, because when you're out, so when I'm up there,
Starting point is 00:54:41 like I'm keeping my core drawn in the entire time. And that takes, the more you practice that, the more natural it becomes to do that. So if I do a good job at training that, that transverse abdominis to be able to draw in like that and make my waist look smaller, that's only gonna make me be able to present better on stage because then I can keep that drawn in and tight
Starting point is 00:55:04 while I'm also flexing my shoulders and my back and doing all my other poses. So, I practiced it. It wasn't part of my actual train of my routine as far as my posing routine, but it was absolutely part of my training routine. Yeah, if you want to look at like a cool bodybuilding vacuum pose, just Google, just Google, Frank Zane vacuum pose. Yeah, this famous one with his arms behind his head and it was actually quite impressive. Next question is from Shrump 836. When trying to gain strength,
Starting point is 00:55:34 is it beneficial to stay in the three to five rep range for all of your lifts or just the core lifts? Okay, so let's assume that you're phasing your workouts. Okay, so let's assume that you go three to five reps, but then after a little while, you might go to higher reps so that you're phasing your workouts. So let's assume that you go three to five reps, but then after a little while, you might go to higher reps so that you can not allow your body to plateau. The low rep ranges are good for maximal strength.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Not all exercises, though, lend themselves well to really low reps. So what I mean by that is deadlift, bench press, squat, overhead press, those work really well for like the three to five reprints. Yeah. Isolation exercises not so much like curls and laterals and you know, leg extensions and stuff like that. They don't lend themselves well because the not thing that you can't do this, but most people lack the control, the stability, and the form to be able to produce a good technique with heavy weight, with like a lateral.
Starting point is 00:56:31 If you do like three reps with a lateral, it ends up looking like a clean. Well, last time we talked about this like a year or two ago, and a lot of people, it confused a lot of people because then they thought that like we're saying that there's no value at all in doing like six reps of a bicep curl or doing some of these isolation exercises. There is value in it, but the point that you're trying to make is exactly that is most people when you're doing something like a lateral raise or doing a small isolation movement. You can't help but allow the dominant muscles to take over when you lift a really, really heavy load.
Starting point is 00:57:03 So, you just gotta find, I think the key is, is finding a heavy enough load that you can still maintain and be in control. The problem is what people end up doing is they go to a heavy enough load that they can still perform the movement, but what ends up happening in the movement, they end to the bigger muscles take over. I love to talk about the rear delts with this. This is like one of the things that I struggled with for a long, long time, and so do I saw a lot of like competitors that I'd be helping with when they go to train rear delts, it's really hard to not let your upper back take over the movement.
Starting point is 00:57:32 The upper back is a much bigger, stronger dominant part of your body than the little rear delts is. And so here you are trying to do a rear del exercise. And you know, the macho kid and me would want to keep increasing weight, keep increasing weight. But then now it's turned into a back exercise and it's not really a rear-delt exercise. That doesn't mean that going heavy, lifting heavy for my rear-delt is bad or isn't a good idea. It's that when most people go heavy on those small isolation movements, they can't help
Starting point is 00:58:02 themselves but to allow their bigger, more dominant muscles to take over. So if you are gonna load those isolation exercises, you gotta be careful with can I do perform the exercise, or can I keep the movement focused on that small muscle the entire time? Because you can load it just fine and find a really challenging five to six reps with those isolation exercises,
Starting point is 00:58:24 but you can't let yourself get caught up and oh, I can add 10 more, 15 more pounds just because the body can actually use some body English to get it through. Does that make sense? I rarely, it makes perfect sense. And I rarely go lower than five or six reps for isolation exercises, rarely.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Like I'll do singles all the time for bench press, squat, deadlift, overhead press, no problem. I almost never do a curl for one, you know, or a lateral for one. It just doesn't lend itself well, not saying you can't, but you got a really, I mean, you got to be perfect for. Without compensating at all, I mean, it's, yeah,
Starting point is 00:59:02 that's, it's just difficult. I get what you're saying. I think there's a way to do it all, I mean, it's yeah. That's, it's just difficult. I get what you're saying. I think there's a way to do it in terms of like, picking the right load, but in terms of like, you know, isolation exercise, the best value to those typically is, you know, a higher rip range. Well, we just gotta remember that, and it's funny because we've earned an intro,
Starting point is 00:59:19 we talked about the brain. The brain operates the same way as the body does. It's lazy by nature. So it is always gonna take the easiest path. So if you do a movement and you are trying to do it to work a small muscle, the body doesn't work that way. It's going to use everything it can to help. It's efficiency.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Yeah, exactly. It wants to be efficient. It's lazy by nature. And so you've got to be at a pretty advanced lifter to be able to take a movement that is for a very small muscle And it's an isolation exercise and load it really heavy and that's the reason why on the show We typically tell people not to do that and that's what happened last we had this conversation a year ago And then we got all these people that want to come on and debate over and it's like listen
Starting point is 01:00:02 Nobody here is saying that you can't load an isolation exercise heavy and get benefit from it. It's that the average person doesn't know how to delineate from their body being lazy and taking the easy path versus the right one that's going to give them the best bang for their buck. Next question is from Andrew Beth. In each of your opinions, which popular exercise movements
Starting point is 01:00:24 do you think are actually useless and a waste of time? You know, this is a, I'll tell you why this is a tough question because in the right context, with the right application, all exercises have value. So I'm going to kind of change it a little bit because if it's done the right way for the right person, the right context, any exercise can have value. So let's talk about popular exercises that most people get no value out of because it's the wrong context and the wrong application, right? I think a lot of these machines, a lot of times, for most people tend to be a waste of time. The inner and outer thigh machine, or whatever you want to call them,
Starting point is 01:01:07 the bad girl, good girl machine. That's the first one that comes in mind. Yeah, oftentimes people, they're using them wrong, they don't need to use them, the contact, it's just you're kind of wasting 15 minutes sitting on that machine. There's things that are way, way more effective for your body. Yeah, I've heard some people train,
Starting point is 01:01:24 argue it in terms of rehab, like, you know, for your mother. Yeah, I've heard some people train Arguid in terms of rehab, like, you know, to get the need to try. There's an exception to every rule, right? Yeah, exactly. There's not it. There's not a bring that up. Right. No, it's a great point.
Starting point is 01:01:36 And there's not a single exercise that we can name that somebody. Always a waste. Right. That somebody can come back and argue and say, what, what about this situation? Well, yeah, that situation. But so I'm going to try and pick something that I see a lot and I would say is a waste of time for probably 90% of the people that I see doing it.
Starting point is 01:01:52 It's like butt kickbacks. Yeah. Okay, so glue kickbacks or what butt kickbacks, whatever you want, very, very popular exercise. People do them all the time in the gym. They do them because you can feel it in your butt, but I see them doing it, you know, 15, 30 plus reps of this all day long. That exercise is probably one of the biggest ways of time that I see most people doing. You get far more benefits doing a loaded exercise for the glutes, like a hip thrust or like
Starting point is 01:02:22 a squat or like a sumo deadlift. Those, if you want to grow your butt and you're doing cable kickbacks and that's like a staple in your routine, unless you are literally using it as a primer before you go into one of those big lifts that I just named, it's damn near a waste of time. I don't know how, Poppa, but I've seen this in every gym and it insults me every single time I see it.
Starting point is 01:02:44 And that's, you know, over at the, the assisted pull-ups and then pushing their foot down against the, yeah, I guess the weight that's supposed to then elevate you up and relieve you of your body weight on some level, but they're using it to just push and extend their leg down. I want to slap you in the face. It's, it's, it's like a single leg press that they're using it for. It's not even that. Single leg press is way better. No, no, no, no, it's like they're doing
Starting point is 01:03:10 a extremely ineffective version of that. Ineffective, yeah. Yeah, I just, I came and wrapped my brain, hurts my brain, and I just want everybody to stop doing that. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I think that one's a terrible one. I do, you know, what's that one chest press? It's like a chest press where they,
Starting point is 01:03:27 they'll squeeze a plate and then they'll press a, then press. Sven, just vend. Okay, Sven press has some applications sometimes. 99% of the people I see doing it, I don't understand. It's a total waste of your time. You're squeezing your chest. You don't need to press anything to do that.
Starting point is 01:03:43 You can push your hands together. It reminds me of a cry to kid part two, right? Where he's like doing his little like meditator. And then he breaks the glass. Yeah, ice, yeah, my bad. Next question is from Erisondriskall. You've talked about how some trendy ideas are actually BS, such as women-specific workouts and diets, yet the Mind Pump blog posts lately
Starting point is 01:04:08 tend to be titled along the lines of best ways for women to lose weight, how to eat if you are an ectomorph, et cetera. Is this just for marketing or has your opinion changed? Oh, the beautiful dance that we have. Yeah, I so, this is fun. I picked this specifically so I could kind of break down the strategy.
Starting point is 01:04:28 So the overarching reason why we do mind pump, the main purpose behind it, is to counter all the bad information that's out there and provide good, accurate, actually helpful information. As trainers, we saw how damaging the fitness space can be, because it is, it's full of just a lot of terrible stuff. We also come to it as people working out ourselves, when we were kids, we saw how much damage it to our clients.
Starting point is 01:04:58 So we wanted to beat it. Now here's the problem. The problem isn't because there isn't good information that's out there. There's always been good fitness information. The problem is't because there isn't good information that's out there. There's always been good fitness information. The problem is nobody reads it or looks at it because they don't get any attention. They suck at it. They suck at the marketing piece. They suck at the getting out there and getting people to pay attention. So in order to beat people, we have to beat them with fire. We have to fight fire with fire. So if we do a post that says,
Starting point is 01:05:25 best ways for women to lose weight, you better believe in the blog. We're gonna break down how there really is no difference between men and women. We're gonna educate you. So what we're trying to do is we're trying to use marketing to prove in tactics that work. To get people's attention so that then we can deliver
Starting point is 01:05:43 the right information. This is a very, very effective strategy and I don't think we could beat the excellent marketers out there unless we get people's attention and we have to. Well, this is unintentionally turning into a similar conversation for me at least, that this is an example again of system one and system two and then well, the brain works, is everybody who sees these ads, if we were to come at them logically,
Starting point is 01:06:08 asking them to operate in system two in a Facebook ad, nobody would click on it. Very small percentage of people would see that come in their feed and then their brain switch over to that logical way of thinking as it resonates. It doesn't. The idea is to catch them in that first systematic part of the brain
Starting point is 01:06:28 where they are just reactive, oh my God, I wanna lose weight, oh my God, I need to do this and so they, and then in the blog or in the episode, we get them to switch over into the second system where they can think logically about it, but we can't do that in a quick snippet that's five seconds in their feed. You gotta, we gotta play to the knowing
Starting point is 01:06:48 that that's the way the brain operates and that that's what's gonna get their attention. Then when they, when they grab it, they download it, then we can get them to switch over into the other one and think logically about the information. So I'll give you, I'll give you a great example of how I, I've used this in the past. So in the past, I would communicate to clients
Starting point is 01:07:05 who all they care about is how they look, all they're focused on is losing weight, all they care about is what's in front of the mirror. Now as a trainer, I understood that this was a problem because when you're driven by that, you end up having unhealthy behaviors. You end up eating in a particular way that's damaging, you end up training yourself in a way that's punishing yourself,
Starting point is 01:07:24 and you get this on the wagon off the wagon type of behavior. So what I wanted to communicate to people is, look, rather than focusing on how you look, let's focus on how you feel, let's focus on your health, let's focus on taking care of yourself, instead of hating yourself. Now that's all logical.
Starting point is 01:07:40 That's all, you can't do that day one. No, and it's all logical, but it's not gonna come across. I'm not gonna be effective to someone who just wants to look a particular way. So what I did is I changed how I communicated a little bit, and this is what I said. Well, you can definitely focus on how you look,
Starting point is 01:07:55 but here's what will happen. If you focus on how you look, your eating habits, and your exercise routines will eventually make you look bad, because you're not really listening to your body. If you focus on your health and how you feel, the side effect of that is you'll look better. Now, what did I do? I took with the person, and by the way, that's all true.
Starting point is 01:08:11 I'm not lying. I took with that person was most motivated by and I used it to get them to understand how to do the right stuff. Now, here's what ends up happening. I get the person who, all they care about is how they look. They're listening to me because I convince them that if they listen to their body,
Starting point is 01:08:26 take care of themselves, they'll look better anyway. Through the process, they start to realize, this is the better way to be. I actually should care about myself. I actually should listen to my body. So when we're looking at the fitness space, it's like, okay, how do I take eyes off of that terrible individual over there who's promoting horrible, unhealthy
Starting point is 01:08:45 behaviors. How do I get people to go from there to what we're saying? It's like, how do I beat the person that says, lose 30 pounds in 30 days? Do I say, hey, lose 30 pounds in 12 months. That's not going to work. It just isn't going to work. So I got a fight fire with fire, bring him over, and then use effective communication to communicate what's really good for you, what really is going to work.
Starting point is 01:09:09 And I tell you what, it's the reason why MindPump has achieved the level of success that it's achieved is because we're getting good at that strategy. Look, MindPump is recorded on video as well as audio. So if you like listening to our podcast, try watching the podcast. Go to YouTube, Mind Pump Podcast, it's our channel. Every episode is video recorded, and it's easier to share that way as well.
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