Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1324: When to Prioritize Nutrition Over Training, How to Enjoy the Benefits of the Sun Without the Dangers, Ways to Overcome a Poor Body Image & More

Episode Date: June 27, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about choosing between hiring a personal trainer vs. a nutritionist, tips for motivating clients to keep moving after the initial excitement of a new program, the sun’s relationship to wellness, and how to deal with someone who is very harsh on themselves. Sal gets a haircut, looking good for the ladies & MORE. (3:52) Childhood games look a little different today. (12:00) What is the worst place you have had a mosquito bite? (16:18) Fun Facts with Justin. (21:25) GNC is filing for bankruptcy. (23:50) Mind Pump Reminisces. (26:45) The value of the trap bar. (31:24) Mind Pump’s proudest lifting achievement. (33:33) How to utilize Organifi’s products to fuel your workout. (37:05) Mind Pump’s Massive Summer Sale, finding a bundle for your fitness needs & MORE. (39:42) #Quah question #1 – Should I hire a personal trainer before hiring a nutritionist or does that not matter? I want to focus more on having the right nutrition for how I’m exercising since I know less about nutrition. (43:21) #Quah question #2 – What are your best tips for motivating clients to keep moving after the initial excitement of a new program? (51:59) #Quah question #3 – What's your opinion on the sun’s relationship to wellness? We are told to stay out of it, but there is increasing research showing the benefits of sunshine for our overall health. What are your thoughts on the validity of the competing research? (59:28) #Quah question #4 - How do you deal with someone who is very harsh on themselves? My friend has an amazing physique, especially for a teenager, yet he is constantly comparing himself to others. Lots of times they don’t look as good as him, but he is still jealous and not happy with himself. (1:05:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned June Promotion: MAPS HIIT ½ off! **Promo code “HIIT50” at checkout** Mind Pump Massive Summer Sale – **Promo codes: Bundles (SUMMERBUNDLE) / Programs (SUMMERPROGRAM) 80s BACKYARD GAMES YOUR KIDS DON’T KNOW Shanghaied! | AMERICAN HERITAGE GNC Jumps After Bankruptcy Filing, Defying Warning of a Wipeout How To Do The Trap Bar Deadlift - FREE Leg Development Guide – Mind Pump TV Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** How to Become a Successful Personal Trainer - Mind Pump Media Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump Podcast - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Ben Pollack, Ph.D. (@phdeadlift) • Instagram Mind Pump (@mindpumpmedia) • Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top fitness, health, entertainment, and comedy podcast. What? We answer fitness and health questions that are asked by some of our listeners, but the way we open the episode is with an introductory portion. Today's episode has a 38 minute intro

where we talk about current events. We talk about ourselves, we mention our sponsors. So let me give you the breakdown of this whole episode. We started by talking about my hair. It got cut finally. Took a long time. So handsome. Then we talked about kids games that we played

when we were kids that kids today would never dream of handsome. Then we talked about kids games that we played when we were kids that kids today would never dream of playing. Then Justin talked about the weird place he got a mosquito bite. I feel really bad for that mosquito. I can't believe I admitted this. Then he taught us about something that happened in the 19th century called Shanghai, kind of crazy.

Look into it. We talk about GNC permanently closing down something like 1200 stores and going bankrupt. That's kind of crazy, look into it. We talk about GNC permanently closing down something like 1200 stores and going bankrupt. That's kind of crazy. Then I brought up some of my old sales awards from back in the day when I would work at the 24-hour fitness clubs. Then we talked about the Trap Bar and the value

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Next question. What are your best tips for motivating clients to keep them coming even after the initial excitement wears off? The next question, this person wants to know what our opinion is on the sun. We think it's vital to life. And the final question, we like this. We like you, son. And the final question, this person says, how do you deal with someone that's really, really harsh on themselves? Also, in addition to the summer sale, Maps Hittin is an additional 10% off

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This fast. Does it tell, Justin, tell me. He's like athletic. Now, okay. That's all you needed. Hey, you went too far. He said you're fast. So, for me,'s all you needed. Hey, when were you in two feet? Hey, when you said you're fast. So, I, for me, be honest right now.

Okay, do you feel like you can even tell a difference between a stylist cutting your hair versus a... Of course, okay. Of course I could tell a difference. It's way more expensive. Yeah, but your wallets are... No, of course, of course, there's a big difference, between someone asshooza's stylist

and someone who works there. I mean, personally, I think this is the most handsome I've ever seen you. No, yes, it's pretty close. That's really handsome. It is. Because you've seen me look pretty good. Yeah, I'm glad.

Yeah, but you look good. Dude, my hair was, it was at a control. It was nuts. I'm trying to get myself doing this already, just. I'm trying to tell me more. I'm trying to get my son to get a haircut. He looks terrible right now. He's got so much hair because at least my hair at least my hair is not as thick. When I was a kid, my hair was so thick. Do you get it? oh, it was terrible. That's my son.

So right now, he literally looks like, I told him I said, if I left you outside, someone would probably give you food or something because they think you're home. He just hairs just all over the place. Yeah, you know? Does he not want to get one or what? He doesn't care, dude.

He don't care. No, man, he doesn't care. Even though, I think he's talking to the girls. Now, what are you gonna say? What's happening to that one? I know, what do you mean? Are you, were you like that at his age? Did you not care?

Like would you, whatever. I, I was into girls pretty young. I'm trying to think when I started to try to look different for girls. It was right around, I'd say right around his age, but the way I tried to look different was lift weights. I don't really care about my hair. Yeah, I was gonna say, did you like,

did you take time picking an outfit out before school? Did you do your hair? No, that wasn't you. You did that, you know you did that. Of course I did. Of course I did. You planted a day before. Maybe, maybe. Did he suck for a row?

Maybe sometimes. He totally did. It was like laid out like somewhere on a chair, like probably standing back, looking at the shoes and like, I 100% in high school. If I had, like let's say, let's say there was like a group project, right?

A group project in class, like biology or something. And the hot chick that I had a crush on was gonna be in my group, 100% bro. I fucking thought about my outfit. 100%. That was me in math class. For sure, yeah. Right next to you.

Maybe not like a normal day, like a normal day going to school. Like I could pick my outfit out the morning of. But if I was gonna see like a girl or be a part, like you get to be sharp, you get to be on point. Yeah, the best, my best outfits coming out dude. I didn't even ask my mom to wash, like with my clothes or dirty, the like a favor pair of jeans or something. Like I loved, I was like, oh, you got to wash this for me.

The shoes and the hat, you know, everything matched. Yeah, see, I went this far. If I thought, if I got a compliment on something, I wore it all. Oh, yeah, these are the jeans. Oh, more of this? No problem. Yeah, I can do that. Mom, can we buy four pairs of these exact jeans?

Not much has changed. Yeah, stancing bikes. I looked, I, there was some, so has changed. Yeah, stacey likes it. I looked, I, there was some, so my mom's got old photo albums and not that long ago I looked through some of them to see, God, the style was in the mid 90s, wow. Yeah, it was going on. It was special, wasn't it? Dude, I had the, you know, the jeans that were just huge.

Janko. You were all jankoed out, that's great. Yeah, like huge and you,, and you coverage your foot. Yeah. You can't even see your shoes. I wore a real baggy pants. Yeah, yeah. You don't wear those kind of, kind of,

I would sag just enough, you know. That's right, that was a thing too. Yeah. Sagging a little bit, so you almost go butt crack. But one piece of style has been consistent with me forever. That's the undershirt. Oh, yeah. I've had that for, since I was, I can't remember.

That's part of your skin. It's pain. Let's be honest. My son teases me about it. He's like, why do you wear that? It's hot outside. Why do you have it underneath? It's bad with your kids buss and your balls, dude.

No, no, no. He'll get it one day. One day he'll put it on and be like, oh, wait. You're like, ooh, I look bigger. I like to get hugged constantly. Yeah, because my kids also make fun of my underwear, you know, because they wear the tie-in, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, not briefs, they're like, be keen in the underwear, and my son's like, why are you wear that?

Like, you're trying on one time, you'll see. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm surprised you don't go full speedo, you know, for the whole time. There's, oh, to go swimming. Yeah. Now I won't do that. Courtney's dad used to do that. Did he really? Are you serious? The family revolted. They were like, okay, no, you can't do this anymore. See, I would totally do that on like,

funnets you guys. On like a vacation trip like Katrina, like in Fiji, or we're on like an island together or something. Just to track the other swingers in there. No, it's like a tan ride, bro. That's what'll happen. That's what'll happen if you go out the speed of the bro. I would not get a family barbecue.

I would not come out in my head. You're gonna get the middle aged couple. All the gold chains coming over. Hey, hello, what's happening over here? Hey, can I get the middle aged kid? Can I buy you a drink? You guys go into a disco, eh? What's happening?

Yeah, wife is beautiful, right? Yeah, anyway, you guys want to come hang out afterwards. That's right, yeah. Have you ever had that happen? You had a resort? We've had that happen. I mean, subtle. It wasn't as obvious as yours.

But we had people that hung out with us for way too long. We had to break off. Oh, dude, Jessica and I, a couple times at a resort. And you know, you never know for sure unless they tell you what's going on. But afterwards, we got back to the room and we were a little bit like, I think they were trying to hit on us.

Right. You know what I mean? And you know how you can tell? It's the woman of the couple. That's the one that's the guy that's the hunter. Of course, she's the hunter. That's the bait. The guy can't do it.

No, because it's creepy. Right, right. And then she'll flirt with your girl. Isn't that unfair how that is? Think about that for a second. Of course. You don't say, like, if the guy comes over. He gets five drinks and you know, like, if a guy comes over and hits on another man's wife,

like, libel shit's gonna go down, like bad. You know what I'm saying? Do that happen to my high school reunion? This girl just, like, was kept talking to Courtney and we were like, oh, I'm great. She's hitting it off with somebody, talking to somebody. And then she kept, wow, you look really good. Like really good.

Her hair is amazing. And she started like touching her. And then Courtney looks at me, you look really good. Like really good. Her hair is amazing and she started like touching her. And then Corey, it looks like me like, wait a minute. It's getting different. Well, and she likes you. You know what's funny to the wife? This is great to watch. And the wife said first, they enjoy it. Like, I really like Susan.

She's just like so friendly. And then friendly turns into like touchy feely. And then it's like, I'm not sure about Susan anymore. It's super stupid.'s super stupid shopping. They send the lady where they send the lady to hit on the lady because nobody's gonna stop that and then she Get you're right. She gets like oh, oh, she's so nice. Yeah, she likes her. She likes her the first day and then day two She comes in a little bit closer Do they one of those those I say he bowls this morning. Do you know me calories those things? Yeah, I avoid those I was I went to hold Why do you avoid them just? If it was a cheese ball you would oh fucking sugar

Left me all the fat and I'm trying to watch my figure right now. I don't eat those are too high calorie About you know block a cheese dipping cheese. I'm on the all-gum diet right now. It's teacher odyship cheese, you know? No, it's like this big, right? It's maybe that big. And it's got 30 grams of protein in it. So that's why I got it.

Cause this morning, we did it. 900 grams of carbs. No, it's 1100 calorie bowl. Yeah, they're high. And it's 99% sugar for sure. Yeah. So I feel a little bit. It tastes, it was sweet.

Yeah. Yeah. So I feel a little bit a little weird at the moment. Hey, people were calling me out about my banana exaggeration the other day. Did you see that? Oh, no, I didn't see that. Yeah, that's just, because I said 50 grams of sugar.

It was probably more like 32. But still, that's a lot, right? So that was, I think my point was that the bananas are a lot higher than what people think they were. So I was like, you know how big of a banana that have to be bro to have like 50? Who got a banana as you work with those? It's been a while since I've thrown one on a scale,

but my point is it's a lot fucking more than what the books are telling you. Adam likes the big bananas. Oh yeah. You know, yeah, I was, I wanna tell you guys this. So I didn't realize just how different the games that kids play in school or what the friends are from when we were younger.

I mean, I know that dodgeball has kind of been banned and that kind of stuff, but do you guys remember the game butts up? 100%. How did you play that? I do remember that. Yeah, so we played it with like a tennis ball against, yeah, like a backboard. And then if you lost, you had to go stand up, like basically, like you're under arrest,

but your hands are on the backboard. They throw it at your ass. Throw it at your ass. It's hard to the camp. Yeah, it's, you found a hack. So you'd throw it and you'd bounce it under their legs. It bounced off into him right in the nuts. Oh, that was my hack.

That I don't remember that. Oh, yeah, that was the best. So I went, I went for a walk with the kids and we walked to the Celimentary School and they had a big backboard and it was a school that I went to. And I'm like, oh wow, I'm like, I used to, we used to play a game here called Butzup,

so I'm explaining to my kids and the look of horror. My daughter's face. She's like, so if you miss the ball, then they get to throw the ball at you as hard as they want. That's mean. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's really fun. She goes, yeah, what if they hit you in the head? I'm like, well, I mean, then they get to throw the ball at you as hard as they want. That's mean. I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's really fun.

What if they hit you in the head? I'm like, what? I mean, then, you know, they hit you anywhere. Then there, that's what happened. But you're trying to hit him in the butt. And she's like, why would you guys play that? I'm like, it's fun. That's not fun.

So that went, maybe, go down a rabbit hole of stuff we used to do. Yeah. Did you guys ever play the game? I don't know if you guys play this. We called it Baby Brid do. Did you guys ever play the game? I don't know if you guys play this. We called it Baby Bridges. Did you guys ever play this? I never played that one. I guarantee you've played a version of this.

Yeah, yeah, tell me how it was. So you and your buddies, so Baby Bridges, the game works like this. If you say any word that starts with the letter B, your friends could beat the shit out of you until you said the word Baby Bridges. Yes, said the word. Yes, baby, Bridges. Yes, I remember you. Yes, I do. So you're slug bug. Oh, you see it. Yeah. No, so this one you just punch your friend.

If you saw like a VW all the games were like this, where we just punch them. But it ran like all day long. Yeah, it's cool in class. The whole year. Yeah, if you said a word would be you had to get it. You had to say that baby, Bridges real quick before someone came over. You got pummeled in the game. I believe we didn't adopt that. Yeah, if you said a word would be you had to get it you had to say that baby Bridges real quick before someone came on you got pummeled and the game believe we didn't adopt that yeah, and the game never ended It was all year long. I've usually this what happened you start it. Yeah, no one's gonna end it and you would literally I mean there were a couple times when either me or one of my friends Set a word with a star would be didn't realize it and three dudes caught it and just go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go Look at the get the whole you get you get sucked from me, but if I stick my finger Yeah, you stick your finger if you stick your finger and then you get the pummel me from it. Oh, that was a

I don't remember the name of that day. Do I remember what was all these games about beating each other up? It's just the way to all gone get out weird aggression all gone. Yeah, it's planes by that generation is so soft Of course, he's kid of course these kids are crazy now. They need they need something You know, you know, the reason to each other other. Red Rover, you guys remember Red Rover? We played on asphalt. Yeah, dude. Like, like, you would make sure you close line somebody as hard as you could and then they would like flip over you

and like fall smack like right on asphalt. You're like, so what? So okay, you went down this rabbit hole of like all the games we played, what do they play now? It's four square. That's it, dude. That's it. They they don't play nothing which we played that too they don't even play they play broke makeup stuff is like my kids play cougar and I'm like what's cougar I don't like that in my 20s I'm the different guy. Chase cougar yeah no that's the high play dad no there were games that I

can't even repeat the names of the games on this podcast because they're so offensive. The names of the games themselves. The ones where you just rhyme things together. Exactly, they're talking. You tackle people and it's offensive. That was the name of the game. And it was what you play.

It was so terrible. You know, it was so terrible. Why is it though? Today's context. Like if you though? It's today's context. Like if you judge the past by today's context, a lot of stuff. You know what I mean? There's a lot of stuff that was terrible.

And that would have been just, you know, one of the worst things. What's the worst place you guys have had a mosquito bite? Mm. What was it? Oh, I'm curious. The knuckle. The knuckle is the way that.

Then when you get them on the right, right on the like your finger, your index finger, and they get right on the knuckle right thereuckle is the way that when you get them on right on the like your finger your index finger And they get right on the knuckle right there and it just drives you crazy. That's a bad one I had a mosquito bite Near my butt crack. I was sleeping in the yeah sleeping in the nude okay And you know how shitty it is to have a mosquito bite on your basically in your butt crack. Yeah, because it's not That all day. Yeah, what happened? I mind like on my cheek and then there's one like in the cheeks. What were you doing? I wasn't doing anything!

Hiking in the nude at your house? Well, we were playing, I know I was outside, the mosquitoes are crazy right now. And we were like playing Frisbee golf and I figured like, I don't know, I must have got bit while I was out there, but I've just, I started scratching and I thought, I was like, oh man, you know what's going on there?

Like I have to wipe or something. Like, I'm a skiddle bite dude. And it made it even worse. Like, racket is breaking, he's going, wait a second, did I knock it? Did I not do that? Did I only do two front to back side? You know what I'm saying?

So itchy. Like, recounting his last battle. I mean, I don't always have wipes, dude, but the wet wipes. You know, he doesn't get all the good. No, he has just the deeds, you know. The metal cleaning fully. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

He has an unwelcome surprise. And I still paint. I don't know how that all of them. Yeah, how does a mosquito get in your ass? I don't know. It's a freaking mosquito. I can't explain it. You got big cheeks though.

There's a lot of crack to them for there is. It went in. You imagine the poor mosquito, you got stuck in your ass. It must've been mid-stabbed. That's a horny mosquito. You know what, what was happening? The cheek spread for a split second.

It's mosquito got stuck in there and he's like, fuck, I was, yeah. I go out like this. I'm upset about it. I do. I have a, it's mosquito got stuck in there and he's like, fuck. Yeah, I was, yeah. I go out like this. I'm upset about it, dude. I have a, it's so uncomfortable. I can't, like I sit and I'm like, so my kid, oh boy, he's gonna hate me for telling the story, but when he was younger, he was in Italy,

and they have like ants over there that bite, you know, they'll actually bite you or whatever, and one guy in his bathing suit and bid him on his piece. Ooh. Yeah, dude. He was in the shower and you heard, ah, you know, he comes out. I was like, what happened? He goes, there was an ad.

I think it bit my, bit me here. Yeah, yeah. That was, that was, I had the leech thing like stand by me. I had that one time. Why? We were in Utah and we went in this late a leech on your, on your top. On my piece.

Yeah. What? And it was already like, like going for it. What? And it freaked me. I felt like so like, oh my god, what's gonna happen to me? You know, like I didn't know, you know what, if they're like, did you gain like superpowers?

Yeah, like maybe, leech man. Leech man. The power to suck. If you think about it, that's the best place for leech to go. It's very vascular You know leech was probably do nothing freaking out more than that. That was the worst Yeah, of course. I just gotta be there. There's a there's this. I don't know where I want to say oh I want to say what's that the the Nile right what's that that river here you go and I don't know what that means. So what happens when you have 200 grams of sugar

for breakfast, your brain doesn't work. But anyway, there's this fish that apparently, it's a fish or parasitic type fish, that if you, it'll swim up your, or trying burrow up your p-hole. Yeah. In your, in your way. That's very about it, especially if you peen the water.

It's definitely attractive. Yeah, and it goes up your p-hole, dude. I mean, how in your way about it, especially if you peen the water. It's definitely attractive Yeah, and it goes up your Peel dude. I mean how small of a fish that we're telling it has to be like it's smallest the small fish to try that I mean, you know, we don't need to talk about how small it just You wait with burrows it's way in there, you know, I definitely don't have a massive peel You sound like Yeah, so apparently goes up there and. Remember when we picked that up? Yeah. Yeah, so apparently it goes up there and then how do you get that out?

Uh, yeah, exactly. That's terrible. Yeah. Yeah, things that attack those parts of us, Doug, are you bringing it? It's the penis fish. Your ether fish. Your ether. It's called the kendiru.

Sometimes known as the penis fish, a small Amazonian catfish. It's reported to lodge itself in the urethra of people who may be urinating in the water. I feel like this is one of those wise tales, like your parents used to tell you don't be in the pool. That's what I think too. That's like this situation. Yeah, like the environment less over there,

like stop pissing in the river. We're trying to keep it clean. There's a fish that's gonna swim up here. Get that. That'd be the ultimate lesson you teach everybody, you know, through the community pool. Is it true? Throw some of those in there.

Is it true, Doug? It says there's very limited credible evidence in medical literature about this happening. Yeah, that's so, I think that's it. Urban myth, bro. Just get you just, there's someone trying to get you to stop peeing in the mouth river. I'll just say, because you know how catfish

has like crazy on to. Razor sharp gills. Oh, imagine trying to pull that back out. You can't. You gotta go all the way through to the other end. What? What? Just kidding.

Yeah, when I was a kid, I did think that for sure, I did believe the wives tale that if you peed in the pool, that it would change color. So I never peed in the pool, ever. But I know a lot of kids did. I do. I see you guys, not. I have another urban yourself, legend.

The biggest idea, but I just want to test it out. That was what I was about. Have you guys ever heard of the term being Shanghai? No, I have it. Yeah, so I don't know. I was watching a show. I think it was like a explore, something whatever with Josh Gates.

And they were talking about like this legend legend back in the early 19th century, where in Portland, they actually had all these different tunnels, like in systems underneath these businesses, and bars specifically, where they would take people that would have drunk, and they would actually, as they were passed out, they would kidnap them and bring them on a boat and they'd wake up and they'd find out, oh no, I'm on a fishing boat and then,

basically they have to do work and they'd just like, basically just take these guys out from the city and this was a racket they were running and they'd be like, what? Like 1500 people, I guess, a year they would take and they would kidnap and bring the boats to work for them. They would literally, and then when they drop them back off, what do they do with them afterwards? Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question.

Like, when they're fucked, they're on a boat. They have to, why me? But when they get back, they didn't tell everybody, hey, look out. There's people, I know. Or do they just let them, they sink them out there. That's, I mean, that's a good question. And that's a true story. Yeah. And the thing is like, I guess there's been like back and forth of if it was actually a proven thing that happened or not because there's also like a sex trade kind of thing with that as well when they would take like girls.

But this was a thing that was something that just exists still. Like people believe that all these sailors would get taken from bars when they're're intoxicated and wake up and find themselves on a boat that was out to see. One of the number one targets for crime, when they kidnap people is our people who are drunk on drugs or already breaking the law

because oftentimes the victims are afraid to say anything because of what they were doing when they got kidnapped. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? So like, you know, you're high on crack and then they're gonna be like, well, what were you doing in the alley at that time? So people are afraid to even say anything,

so they become big targets. So it makes sense that they would kidnap someone smashed out of their mind and then come back and then you can tell your wife. I wrote a horrible hangover, right? Okay. Ah, why? I got a work now. Dude, did you hear about GNC?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dude, 1200 location. They file bankruptcy. Permanent closing. 1200 stores gone. Permanent. Now here's the shocking part for me.

Okay. They were still existing. Yes. I agree. If you work there, whatever, you know, I apologize, but I don't understand how GNC was even how they didn't like leave when Barnes and Noble was no more. So years, so years ago, I never really tell the story on the podcast, but you're a good example, though, Justin, yeah. Because Barnes and Noble still exist, you know, they're still around. And that's, and why? Because books, you can buy

books on Amazon. It's, you know, people still like to go in and touch still exist, you know, they're still around and that's, and why? Because books, you can buy books on Amazon. It's, you know, people still like to go in and touch, feel, pick things up. So they were, it's this supplement industry, even though it's dominated now by Amazon, Bodybuilding.coms and so that, people still, yeah. See, I almost opened one. I almost opened a GMC. I thought about it. You do too.

We had friends that did it too. Yeah, so back when I was at 24th fitness the second time around then I left I Was going to open a G&C I mean 15 years ago be killer business. Well, so I saw the writing on the wall So I was thinking about opening one I had the business plan all set up and everything and I was working at the time and in finance or the bank and I just thought to myself like man I go online and buy supplements and the prices are way better. There's way more variety. GNC kept, you know how GNC used to have all supplements, but little by little, they wouldn't carry things. And so it was like, unless you're going to buy them in their protein or caffeine, you're not going to find, you know, you're looking

forward type of deal. So I saw the riding in the wall, so I decided not to do it anymore. But they used to at one point be very profitable. It's just crazy, 1200 locations. Permanently done. I know the whole retail business is just like, I wanna know who even is left, because most stores and our mall just opened back up. It's interesting to see like,

there's still like a coals and there's still like some of these like big huge, you know, retail type places that I'm like, how are they going to be able to survive? I just don't, I don't see it. You guys know that Valley Fair blew out a whole big old section that's brand new. That's got like all kinds of new stores. That's all high, like high in bad ass stuff. They added a shake shack into the food.

What's shake shack? That's like the popular from LA. Okay, LA, LA burger joint joint that's like famous down there. That's like there in and out of us over here all the time. Let's talk about in and out being the best burger place over here. I thought in and out started LA too. Probably. I don't know where.

I don't know where. Where did it in and out originate from, Doug? Southern California, right? Somewhere in California actually Shake Shack is from New York. Oh, it's originally from New York. Oh, okay. So the first place I know of it from over here is LA So that's the first time I'd seen one was going down there and anytime I've been down there and been with some of it It's been one there like oh my god. I actually haven't yeah, I don't think I thought I love burgers

I think I ate it once. I'm a burger connoisseur. I'll try it I love burger. No, I'm dead. I'll try it That's my jam. I'm a nice key auntie dude speaking of I love burger family. No, I'll try it. That's my jam. I'm the nice key on tea. Dude speaking of 20 I mentioned 24-finister mine. Do you guys see those the my old awards? I posted yesterday on my story? Yeah, that was funny dude So we're cleaning the garage and we're organizing and I have this bin full of my favorite Awards that I got working at 24-finis in Jessica's always trying to get me to get rid of them

It's like, why do you want these? Why do you? Who cares? I'm like, this is... I still got mine in a time under any family. Dude, their memories do. Even one of them, I had to work hard to get it. Cause they, like, I felt like, I was pissed because there was a whole new regime that came

in at that time and then that was not a thing anymore that you got, like, awards and trophy. Yeah, Justin got fucked a little bit. He didn't get a chance to, like, really get out of here. Yeah. I was like, I wanted to go to Hawaii and then they took that away and trophies. Yeah, Justin got fucked a little bit. He didn't get a chance to like really get out of here. Yeah, I was like, I wanted to go to Hawaii and then they took that away. And then I'm like, at least give me a fucking trophy. You know, like give me some acknowledgement. So give you a ribbon.

It's a, yeah. At that point, I'm like, yeah, give me something. Yeah, you know, I got in there. My very first award I found in there, which is why I saved it. And it was, I mean, it's, you know, 1997. Wow. The first month that I was a trainer. And it was, I mean, it's, you know, 1997, the first month that I was a, a trainer, and it's like an old school plaque. Remember the wood plaque

with the engraved like metal thing on it? Is it, is this circle glass thing? No, the circle's last ones I got later. Yeah. So back in 97, you would get a wooden, it was like a wooden plaque with a metal thing on it. It's old time. And it was my first month. My first month as a trainer, they gave me an award and they misspelled my last name. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, man. They misspelled my last name so I posted it

and people will make fun of me. And then I found my million dollar award. Did you have the ring? Where's it? You should wear that, that's cool. No. It's like a super boring. Yes, it's the same thing.

Hey, it's our company at the time. That was like the super boring ring. If you sold a same thing. Hey, it's our company at the time. That was like the super boring room. If you sold a million, not a lot of people had done it back then. That's a million dollars in personal revenue. So you sold on your own. Now keep in mind, I did this in a couple years. So everybody else who had it

was had been with the company. That's why it was 70 years. That's why it was such a big deal was because first of all, not a lot of guys had it. Right, we're all excited. But it was a small group and most of them that did have it were seven, 10 years into the company. So if you were rocking that in early two years.

I do have the ring though. You do. Yeah, but I'm not gonna wear it for you. Yes, come on, you're cheesy. Oh wow, what's that big ass ring on your finger for? I sold a million dollars with a membership. You're straight back. Did you get the Montbonk pen too?

That one. I got the whole thing. Yeah, you get the wholebonk pen too? That one. I got the whole thing. Yeah, you get the whole thing. I don't watch that. Like I never wear it, because we went to a bowl game that we totally got destroyed in. And so I can start wearing that, but we lost fucking bad. They gave watches it for football?

Yeah, if you make it into a bowl game, you get shit. Oh, but if you win, you get a ring. So you had a participation. Yeah, that's what it was. It was the partition participation watch. That's why I don't wear it. Nobody wants to wear this second place. True.

Never. Never would I do that. I don't have any second place bullshit. Turn that down. Yeah, I mean, yeah, just to get some pistols. A lot of money. I actually had, so I'm like, you, I have a, a big tub cell of all the, all the, I have glass ones, laminate ones, wood ones that I have in there. And, um, I quite a few of them

broken. One of my moves. I was really bummed about that. Yeah. No, I'm never giving them rid of that. Katrina saw me all, which I was all like my heart broken over. We should like combine all of our trophies together. You know who, so our buddy Larry who has the most out of all of us. He's he's still fucking he's in the real estate and other things. It probably has a room. He does. He is an office. And he's got turn lights on. Yes. No.

He just underlit. I saw him post it the other day. He's got a you know, he's got a big ass case and he's got like all of his all of his class. I mean that full had more than anybody I know. So heavenly music just turns on as you flip the switch. So Larry, you know, Larry's a, I hired him right back in the day and he very talented young man, one of the most likable people ever meet.

One of the greatest communicators ever. He's just so effective. Naturally, too. Very, very good at what he does. And there was a record that I held forever. It was the world, it was the record in the whole company for sales, personal sales by a general manager. And nobody even came, they didn't even get halfway to where I was. So this thing stayed there forever and I would taunt Larry about it constantly.

Because he was so good that the only way to really motivate and push him was, you know, he's very competitive. So I did it on purpose. And of course, I wanted him to do well because I like, I love the guy. I love him to death. So I would taunt him about it. And man, the day he broke that record, and he broke it by like a couple thousand dollars. Oh, he was so happy. Yeah.

But he didn't talk, he didn't talk any shit. I expected him to talk a lot of shit, but he didn't, which made me realize it was just it was a respect thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, that's a good, it's all a good time. Dude, you know what, I've been picking up a lot lately that I think we need to give some, while we do talk about the value of the trap bar,

but I really like the trap bar a lot. It's got a lot of value with, you use it the most I think. You know, it's got a ton of value, heavy kick. Rhypto doesn't agree with you. I know, I don't know why he doesn't like it. Yeah, old school, yeah. Dude, trap bars by, they're used way more by athletic coaches.

If you haven't noticed. Yeah. Yeah. That's what makes it possible. To me, it makes the most sense with them for sure. It does, right? Yeah. But the heavy farmer walks, and then yesterday I was doing, uh, trap bar dead lifts, um,

and you can lift more with a trap bar than you can with a straight bar. And for me, it's usually about, uh,, you know if I'm looking at my max, it's like a 40 pound difference. But I was doing reps with, I think I had 5, 20 on the bar. And just my mid back, it's so activated from the trap bar. I really do think it's one of the better devices to do.

Yeah, when you go that heavy on trap bar, do you actually fill your quads, get sore too? Not sore, no, no, I don't get sore. I'm like, it's because of the range of motion isn't super low. What's still heavy weight though that you're doing? I mean, it's like, because it's almost like a little mini squat when you do a kind of, right?

It's like a squat, deadlift or whatever. I love it, man. Yeah, every now and then I'll feel my QL talk to me a little bit, and I think that's just trying to stabilize because there's a little bit of shift that happens and I know that's kind of part of the argument, but I enjoy them especially for the farmer carriers. I think they're fantastic for that.

Totally. And then what's, I can't believe we just slip my name. Dude that helped us create power lift. Band and toe. Yeah. WC, did you see his trap bar pull? Oh my god. 880 pounds.

He's like turning into an altered beast. Yeah, how much muscle mass is the guy doing? I don't know. Like, can he still gain muscle mass at this point? He looks like he ate his old self. Yeah, that's how much bigger. 100%. He is now.

I mean, it's, it's, he's a savage. Yeah, that, he honestly, like that's, he's my go-to page when I'm like trying to get high for a heavy lift, dude. I swear to God. Oh, really? Yeah, because his whole page is that. His whole page is like all of his lifts

and everything is 800 for seven. I think it's pulling like that. I'm just like, I'm just like, He's six, seven, seven hundred pounds. I think it's like the light day for him for reps. Do you guys have like a most proud moment for yourselves in your whole lifting career? Is there like one moment you could say that you're most proud of? Chasing that deadlift for a big deal.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, go ahead. No, I just, that was a big deal for me because I never had focused on that. I'd never like said, I'm gonna try and deadlift for a big deal. Yeah, yeah. Does that think? Yeah, go ahead. No, that was a big deal for me because I never had focused on that. I never like said, I'm gonna try and deadlift. You know, but honestly, before I met you guys, I was never a real heavy lifter. I came from the camp of, if I can't lift it five or six times, I'm not gonna put, I'm not gonna put that kind of way.

I never did doubles, triples. I didn't do any of that. Like I just, I never saw value in it for at all. Like to me, it was five reps minimum. I mean, and it was rare I even did five or six. I was normally to eight, 10, 12. So to actually see like, okay, where am I at on a single for a deadlift and then to try and progress that

over that like a year or so that I was chasing you, that pulling that five, 50 felt really good. I mean, that was a big moment for me. Yeah, I think for me, it was because I was working so hard on power cleans when I was working with coaches through all these different programs. And then I, you would test it out. And that was actually, it turned into my best lift

where I got up to like 350 or something like that. And it was like, such a pivotal moment for me because in my weight class and everything, because I was like with the linebackers and I was with the guys that were kind of like, you know, on the fringe of with the linemen. And so I started, that's what kind of pushed me over

into working out with all the linemen. And then I also then broke my bench record at the school for, you know, made it before somebody beat me, but it was with 225. And for reps you know, made it before somebody beat me, but it was with 225 and... Oh, for reps? Yeah, for reps.

So, that was... That was cool. I wonder why they used that as a strength test in football. Because isn't that in the... What is that called when they go do the... They combine? Yeah. Why they do the bench press?

Yeah, it's 225 for reps. That's like one of the standard tests. Well, think about it, if you're like a chest standardizing. Well, not only that, but if you're in football, you're blocking people all the time with that. And that's, yeah, it's power reps. Yeah, and you might have to do it multiple times. It's not like at one time you hit somebody for a block.

You could in a guy running, you could end up blocking three, four people multiple times that same person. Interesting, that would be my theory on why that. I would think so too, but it's, you know, bench press is, although I believe it to be a great upper body exercise, definitely one of the best, you know, developers of the chest and the shoulders and triceps, I don't, it's not super functional in comparison to like,

even an overhead press, I think an overhead press is gonna give you more carryover to most sports. Agreed, I think it's just because when you're, yeah, either you're blocking or you're tackling, a lot of it is that initial. Yeah, I would just, I would just agree for football. I would just agree.

I would say football, the bench press is, it is, and I think 225 is, think about that. That's probably, that's a good amount of weight. Most people are going to be probably weighing around that unless you're hitting a lineman, right, who's 300 and something pounds.

Most people in football are going to weigh somewhere around that. And if you could move to 25, explosively. Now, when you're a lineman in football, and you're pushing people away, are you standing upright? No, are you leaning forward like more of an overhead? Well, no, the actual real angle is an incline press.

Okay. Right, so I believe that's the actual... Yeah, the incline press. The incline press came from that, right? Trying to emulate the angle that Lyman coming up to block would be. So that's almost the perfect exercise for that. I just think like Justin's saying,

that movement, that motion is so, if you can do that explosively, I think that translates on the field incredible. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes some sense. It makes a lot of sense. You know what I've been drinking while I work out, just to see, especially if I do, because now I'm gonna drunk first or?

No, not that kind of thing. Yeah, cool. I have beer. Although I have done that before, have you guys ever had alcohol while working out? I hate working out on alcohol. It's a, we mean you hate. How many times have you done it every time? It's just the worst.

Because I had tried the reels. It was a bad idea. Every time. No, I started, so if I just the worst. Because I had tried to release this a bad idea. Every time. No, I started, so if I do the afternoon workouts, where I have way more energy and I'm gonna push it, I'll have some coconut water because of the sugars that are in the coconut water. It's got some electrolytes in there,

so it's good for hydration, especially since it's hot. And then I mixed the organified green juice in there, and I've done that now a few times. Oh, while you're working out. While I'm working out. So Intra workout. And if you're going to, I mean, in studies do show that if you're gonna have

a long kind of arduous workout, that Intra workout, carbohydrates, can definitely help with performance. If you're gonna do like a 45 minute hard workout, probably not gonna, it's more about what you do. Just a more accessible energy. Yeah, so I'm just sipping on this coconut water.

I throw on the green juice. It's actually tastes pretty good together. And I feel better. It's because I can tell by about 60 minutes, because my afternoon, if I go for, I'm there for 90 minutes. I'm doing a one and a half hour workout. But when I, typically what happens at 60 minutes is I start to feel my energy start to dip

right when I get into like shoulders and arms. But if I'm drinking some carbohydrates and then I put the green juice in there, which is just like the flavor of it. I think about that. If I'm in a phase where I'm doing like 15 reps or more or whatever, like that's, oh my god, I die if I don't have some kind of, uh, something on hand that'll give me a little bit of a boost. And so yeah, I totally, it was the red juice though.

I would use, oh, for those days, like back in the day. So, see, red juice has got rodeo, uh, and it, which is, got some, yeah, and beats, which, so that's going to help a lot for a lot of people. Rodeo, uh, is a little bit of a stimulant, and for me, I gotta be careful with the stimulant aspect of it. But for some people, Rodeol is like, it's like a replacement for catching more stimulants. You know, speaking of organified, this is something I didn't even know, folks so bad, we've been with him for like three years now, I didn't know this.

They actually sell like a lot of bundles. Oh, really? Yes, they bundle a lot of their supplements for a discounted price, and then you get our discount on top of that. So, if you're somebody who's been using their products and really like it, and you can put together multiple of them. And I'm assuming they make sense.

So, this is like the, the same bundle, whatever. Yeah, same bundle, they have like a brain bundle. So, they do, yeah, they pair them together like that. So, speaking of bundles, so, you know, once a year, we do this huge sale, which is in the summer, we're doing it right now, right? So everything is, every program is 40% off, then we discount all of our bundles. A lot of our...

Which we never do. Never, because bundles are already discounted. Bundles are two or more programs combined, and I'm getting messages from people who didn't even know that we had certain bundles. That's because we don't market or have to advertise. We never talk about we don't advertise them on the podcast. No, we have a starter bundle, which is great for people getting kind of started with resistance training or getting back into it. We have a, you know, we have a, a, a, a, a, over 40 bundle, which is good for people who are over 40 and some of the things that they need with their training. There's an extreme fitness bundle,

which is hardcore athletic performance. We have a bikini bundle. We have a hard-gainter bundle. This one I put together, and it's specifically designed for people who have a tough time building muscle. People who find that their bodies don't respond. There's a lot of these.

There's more than just that. Well, in lot of these, there's more than just that. Well, all of these, when you talk about these, these are all programs that will last you six months plus because they're a minimum of two programs. Some of them, bigger, some of them have three or four programs in it. So a lot of these bundles will last you, you know, almost an entire year on some of them. Well, and we get a lot of questions of like, which ones should you stack together, you know, towards your specific goal? And so this is another way to kind of, you know, look through those and see which programs it's highlighting. And that's, you know, a good way to kind of run through that

for those particular interests. I'm glad you brought that up too, because something that Sal did for Rachel probably three or four months ago. And a lot of people don't know this either is on the saved highlights. So in the Instagram page, my pump media, there's saved highlight stories of like all the different pathways that you might want to be taking. So building muscle, losing body fat, beginnings, all that stuff. And Salis put together like the ideal programs to follow to follow those goals. Yeah, because depending on your goal, your experience, you know, you wanna follow the most effective path for you. One of the most effective things you could do

for your body in terms of fitness is individualize your program. This is why personal trainers, good personal trainers are so damn valuable. There's nothing that'll replace an amazing personal trainer because the trainer can look just at you and individualize your workout based off of your body.

So you want to follow a plan that is more catered to you than one that is more general. And so what we do with these programs, we bundle them based off of like if you want to do the over 40 bundle, right? I think they call it the 40s bundle. That specifically our programs put together for what we would see as trainers that we would often see with clients in that age group, you know, typically mobility issues

and you need to work on basic compound movement type stuff. And so, you know, we put all, what's the code for the bundles, Doug? I think it was a summer bundle, right? Summer bundle and summer program. For the programs, Yeah, because each program is individually 40% off. So there you go. And I don't know. Oh, yeah. Is this one going to the end of the month? To the end of the month. And that's it. Yeah, that's it.

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I want to focus more on having the right nutrition for the way I'm exercising, since I know less about nutrition. That's an interesting question. You know what, as I think about it, I think the best order, and now this is gonna be different from person to person. So this may not apply to everybody that I'm talking to you, but I think generally speaking, you want to start with your

trainer before you start nutritionist. And here's why. When I used to train clients, I wouldn't really get down to the nitty-gritty with the nutrition till later, because working out is easier than diet. It was easy for me to get someone to show up and train with me a couple of days a week. It's really hard to work on nutrition. That's a very, that's such a much more complex and more ingrained in your everyday process. And it's exactly, it's everyday all day.

And so typically what I would do with the average client is they would start working out with me and let's say we start working out twice a week and then they'd ask me, what about nutrition? What can I do with the average client is they would start working out with me. And let's say we start working out twice a week and then they'd ask me, what about nutrition? What can I do with nutrition? Now in the early days, before I knew any better, I would give them everything. Oh, here's your meal plan, the switcher for breakfast,

lunch, dinner, here's your calories, protein, fats, carbs, don't eat that, eat this. And it just failed because it was too much. Later on what I did was people would ask me, I start training them, well, what about nutrition? And then I would make one small change, you know, I'd say, okay, let's look at your diet and I'd say, okay, here's what I want you to do. How do you feel about adding one serving of vegetables a day? Let's just start with that. And it was just the it's just a slower process for permanent change with nutrition than it is with exercise.

That's interesting. This is an area where we're different than how we coach, because I actually, and this didn't happen until later in my career, early on, I was just like you in that. And I think that a lot of that had to do with, I just wasn't confident in my nutrition knowledge to be able to really help someone. So I would just, you know,

print off the meal plan, hand it to type of deal. But later as I got more experience, I realized how important the nutrition was to the results of this client would have. I knew if I programmed right and I trained them good, I could get anybody, especially if they weren't training properly, to see some results. But I realized quickly that, boy, if I got them to dial their nutrition in with that, the results were unbelievable. And it's like I could show them a lot in a short amount of time if I was able to really dial in nutrition.

So I actually would get to, I got to a point where I wouldn't, I wouldn't take you as a client until you had done your due diligence of tracking your food and stuff. So if you came to me and said, hey, I want to pay you to train me this and that, I'd say, okay, before we even train, I want you to do this, this and this. You need to start tracking, you need to do the, you need to look at all these things.

You need to bring that to me. Then I'll start you off and we'll start training. And then I could, then I would do what you said, subtle things, right? So I would start to add things into their diet. But I would make, and what it did was, it weeded out all the people that were too lazy to even do that. And I knew that if they were too lazy to even track

what they were doing, I'm not even telling you you had to eat a certain one. I'm just saying track what you're doing. And then I knew they were gonna be lazy about everything else I taught them if they couldn't do that. Before you spent any money on me, you were about to invest in me. If you didn't take the time to track food for a week or two to present that to me, then

I knew that you weren't going to be a good client anyways. I knew the things that I would try and teach you would be off. But, to this person's question, this is what's cool about the work and effort that we've put into designing really good programs is I would hire a nutritionist and start a math program. I mean, and then eventually if you want hire a personal trainer to really dive even deeper into your programming and maybe customize it

even more towards you. But I mean, we got the programming that we've put so much time and effort into. I think you could pair that with a great nutritionist and see phenomenal results right out the gate. That would be my suggestion. Yeah, I was a little more like, I had totally agreed and you know, understand where you're coming from with that. great nutritionist and see phenomenal results right out the gate. That would be my suggestion. Yeah, I was a little more like,

I had totally agreed and, you know, understand where you're coming from with that in terms of the priorities of understanding like where you're especially the tracking part so you can bring that information in and then we can have that to refer to. I think that's a huge part of it. So I would, I would highlight that with my clients and like at least I want to know like your patterns. We wouldn't necessarily change anything right away. I would, I would then at least be able to know, okay, this is probably what she's eating. This is probably what I'm working with right now, but I want to get her up and running and, and get these, you know, workouts established in the priorities. For me, it was always around movement and function

and alleviating pain. While they wanted to get leaner and show off more of a lean tone physique, but that was my typical client. But definitely, getting the workouts established and being able to address all those things was just something that is obviously it could have been more in my wheelhouse because like nutrition came

a little bit later for me, but you know, something that I still to this day, I'll just slowly integrate nutrition advice and then you know, that way we can just work on one thing in a time because it is so ingrained in their everyday process. You know where this really started for me was with my family. So I remember, and I'm sure you guys remember, had this, like I used to get so frustrated. Well, family is just the category of people that are just typically like, go, I want help and you really don't. Yeah, they exactly. And so this is, it feels good for them to say that it started this way

because of family. So I didn't piece this together off of clients until I started to do it with family. And then I was like, oh shit, I should really apply this to clients. And that was, obviously you've been doing this as long as we have in your family starts coming to you like crazy that, you know,

hey, could you help me with my diet or help me with my pro? And at the end of the beginning, especially early on as a trainer, like I wanna help all of them. And then you get kind of frustrated. You're like, you sit down and I ride everything all out for them and then they fucking do it for a week

and then they're done or they half-ass it and it's just be like, oh, that's great. I sat down for hours to try and help my family member out and then they just wanted it. They wanted the quick fixes just like everybody else does, right? So I quickly learned that, you know what? I'm not gonna tell my family, no, like that's a dick move to tell my family I won't help them,

but I'm gonna put more responsibility on them to show me and sell them on why it's important they do all that before I could can't even help them. And so I began telling them, well, okay, I'll help you, what I need though from you first is you to do this, this, and this. And I would give them like those things for them to go do and then to present to me, and then you know what ends up

happening, 90% of them never come back with this thing to present to me because they weren't even ready to do that. Yeah, the way I look at it too is just the psychology behind it all. I know when the client shows up to train with me, I'm there. I'm there for the workout.

I'm not there for your eating. I'm not always going to be there for your nutrition. And so for me, it's just, let's start with the easier stuff and then move and slowly tackle the more difficult stuff. And the easier stuff is to show up to work out with me twice a week. That's easy compared to nutrition, which can be very, very difficult.

So that's just where I would start and then it would be a slow process. And the conversation was, here's all the stuff that you're gonna have to do eventually, but don't worry, there's a process to get there, and we're gonna work through that process, and it might take a while, but when we do get there, it's gonna be permanent.

I've also worked with nutritionists, and those are hit or miss. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, let's talk about that. So many with really, really old information that I'm just like a Paul that they still teach in school. Oh, that. We're referring to like the food pyramid in shit.

Oh my God. I worked on nutritionist. I worked on nutritionist that took zero of the client's psychology into, they literally did what I used to do, which was make meal plans. And I couldn't believe that this was somebody that you would pay to hire,

who this was their specialty. I've also worked with nutritionists who are really good, as long as they work with the trainer, I think that's the best thing to do. But if you had to pick between a personal trainer and a nutritionist and you're thinking, I have limited resources, I can only hire one or the other, I think a good personal trainer is probably gonna bring you

more value than a good nutritionist initially. Not saying that you won't work with one later on, but initially start with the easier commitment, the smaller first step, which believe it or not, working out as a smaller first step than fixing your diet. Next question is from Healthy Mama. Happy Mama. What are your best tips for motivating clients to keep moving after the initial excitement of a new program? Prepare for this as a trainer. This will happen with every single client.

You have to really get in the mindset. And I used to, the way I used to do work around this as an early trainer was to keep making it exciting. Like every time they come in, it's gonna be fun. Think about this. This is actually I love this question because It allows us to kind of dive into like the The concepts that we've built into maps like and this was discussed right like and we get this sometimes from other like High-level coaches or people that really understand programming Why why do you guys make phases only like three to four weeks long?

Because they technically they could be doing that phase for like six weeks and you're right. But we also factor in exactly what this question is alluding to. And we've learned that, you know, we want to hit like the peak amount of for adaptation. And we know in that three to six week mark is kind of the ideal place before you phase out of a phase. But we also know the psychology part of clients get really bored really fast. And so if I can switch them to a new phase of different exercises, different rep ranges, right, different rest periods, if I can manipulate their programming as faster, it keeps them

excited about doing something different. So they never really have to be doing the same thing for longer than about three or four weeks. That was factored into the idea of us when we came up with that. Right. Now, now also think of the mindset around a motivated client. And then one that's just normal, right, average or whatever. Motivated client is going to want to push harder. They're going to want to have better workouts.

They're going to like to sweat. They're gonna like to sweat. They're gonna want to feel what the workout feels like and feel like, oh man, I hit PRs or wow, this is great. The normal client isn't necessarily gonna have the same energy and gusto for that, but the normal client, what are they typically deal with? Pain, stress, maybe they're feeling fatigued. So that's the value that you provide to your client

that tends to keep them doing this long term. Like, yes, getting them results and burning body fat and all that stuff is great. But if you can show a client that, let me put it this way. If you're a trainer and your client calls you and says, man, I'm really tired and my shoulders kinda hurt, I need to cancel my appointment with you,

that means you're doing the wrong thing. You want your client to call you and say, hey, you know, hey Justin, I know we're not scheduled today, but I'm really tired, my shoulder kinda hurts. Can I come see you? That's where you provide the long-term value. That's how you keep them coming, is by showing them all the value,

not just the exciting motivation part. Well, this is like when we were talking about assessments and that it doesn't stop. I would literally assess every client the moment they would come in and we would find out where they were for that day specifically because it changes all the time. Their energy levels change.

Like they have aches and pains like you're mentioning. They might have extra stress from work or whatever. I want to know what I'm working with for that day. I'm going to completely alter and tailor the workout to be something that's a little more of a better fit for that individual for that specific day. But I have definitely a foundational plan that I'm trying to accomplish and that's the big piece of getting them towards their goal, but that was something that I was always checking and having them talk to me and give me feedback and seeing what I'm trying to do with them

applies and is a good method for that day. So I think a good trainer will start to kind of realize every day check-ins are important and it's also about the conversation, it's about the entertainment. You got to be a personality. And this is why I don't think there's a lot of people that are meant to be trainers, but the ones that can have good conversations and be likable and what not with their clients are gonna have the best retention. Well, I really like what Sal saying too

about like teaching them about other things too, because there's always something that a client, whether it be nutrition, aches and pains they're dealing with or just flat out programming. And one of the ways to keep them motivated is constantly be teaching them something else. So, and that is another reason too, why I actually love to move clients in and out of different

diets and give them, I would forecast, hey, for the next two to three weeks, this is what we're going to focus on. We're going to be doing these things. This is what we're looking for. This is what I want your feedback to tell me how you're feeling about this, what you notice, and then transition. Having constantly forecasting as a trainer is something that will really help you keep your clients

motivated versus the early trainer in me. You know, it would just, I would be, my workouts were planned literally the morning of them coming in to see me, and it was, I would change it the day to day, and I wouldn't really have this long-term plan. But if I have a plan, and I can communicate that to them, it's a lot easier for them to stay focused because they know, like, oh, I've got this for the next week or two.

Stay focused on that. My coach is going to change the plan for me. That's one of the ways to help keep them motivated than just on the fly, changing up things. If you're teaching them things about mobility and how to combat joint pain, that's cool. If you're teaching them nutrition stuff, different types of diets and benefits of eating some way, fasting, all these tools,

these are all tools in your tool belt as a trainer and you use them, using them constantly to help them. It'll build value in you, it'll keep them motivated because you're teaching them new things. And then it'll lead to like what Salah is saying where, you know, man, they really think of you as like their health expert and that any time is saying where, you know, man, they really think of you as like their health expert and that any time something feels off, you know, with them,

everything from energy levels to achiness in their body, to unmotivated, they're gonna reach to you and come to you versus, you know, I'm not gonna see my trainer today, because I'm not feeling well. Yeah, and sometimes as a trainer, your client will even tell you what they think they need, but you know what, it's something else. And you don't need to even tell you what they think they need, but you know what, it's something else.

And you don't need to necessarily tell them that they're wrong. You just guide them. And I remember one story in particular, I had a client Jennifer who, she had young kids and a lot of, she was stressed out at work where she shows up to the session. I could tell something was wrong because she just walked by me to go change or whatever comes out of the locker room.

And I'm like, hey, how's it going? How you feeling? She was like, oh, terrible. So my kid didn't sleep good last night and then work was least stressful. And then because I was so stressed for lunch, I ate McDonald's and I had all this stuff and then ate a bunch of cookies. And she was like, I just want you to kick my ass. I need to get my ass kicked so I can just burn off these calories.

That's what she said she wanted. But I knew what she needed was really to get rid of some stress and to take care of herself a little differently. So I said, no problem, we'll take care of you. So what did I do? I did some stretching with her. I had to do some belly breathing. We did some slow focused movement.

And the shift in her and the change in how she felt afterwards and the conversations were uplifting and we're empowering. And she left and she was totally different. She ended up becoming a very, very long term client. Had I beat the crap out of her like she had asked me to, I don't think that would have worked nearly as well. I don't think she would have really felt the genuine value that fitness can provide because it would have been applied the wrong way.

Next question is from Ryan W. Richards. What's your opinion on the Sun's relationship to wellness? We are told to stay out of it, but there's increasing research showing the benefits of sunshine for our overall health. What are your thoughts on the validity of the competing research? Okay, so I'll tell you a story that'll illustrate the misinformation, I think miscommunication we've gotten in regards to the sun. So if you were to hook somebody up to a bunch of machinery that would test things like free radical production, inflammatory markers, stress hormones, all

the stuff that typically, if you see them rise, oh, this isn't a good thing. And you out would look bad. And yeah, you hook someone up and you train them, it would look very bad, especially if you train them too hard. If I take the wrong, if I take a person

and I train them inappropriately and train them too hard, I guarantee we're gonna see, oh, especially over time, damage to their heart, guarantee we're gonna see, oh, especially over time, damage to their heart. Joint health is gonna suffer. You might even see hormonal imbalances and lots of health issues.

And so the headline could read, workouts caused lots of problems, don't do them. So this is what's happened with the sun. When you get a sunburn or you get sun damage, yeah, that's not good for you. But does that mean you shouldn't go out in the sun? No, it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of my life. We humans evolved, just like everything else on Earth,

except for things that live at the bottom of the ocean or in caves, with the sun. We literally need sunshine, not just for physiological benefits, but for psychological benefits. You know how many studies there are that show that if you're feeling down or anxious, if you just go out and get some sun, talk about changes. Talk about what we did yesterday. Yeah, I mean, this is a conversation off-air that we have quite frequently.

I mean, I think the one drawback of this new profession that we have, you know, relatively new in the last five years, the biggest drawback that we all agree on is the lack of sun exposure that we get outside, just getting fresh air, getting the sun, we're locked in this little cave when we got fluorescent lights on us, we have no windows in it,

and we could get stuck in here for hours on hours all day long, and you can feel the mood. Totally. You can feel our energy levels start to sink. That's why we actually, stuck in here for hours on hours all day long. And you can feel the mood. Totally. You can feel our energy levels start to sink. That's why we actually, back in the days, we used to record sometimes three, three, four podcasts in a single day. And one of the reasons why we got away from doing that was

because we could feel our energy and our mood change by episode two or three that we'd record because we were just stuck under these forests and lides. And it's an IE tell an immediate difference when we just go out like we did yesterday everybody was kind of feeling with the arctic tired we're in bad mood or to handle and bullshit. Then we all said you know what let's just get up and go for a 20 minute walk outside in the sun and we all did that and come back completely re-energized. I guess when I was younger I just didn't really pay attention

of these things. I don't know if it's part of getting older and how much I depend on it now more and it's more necessary than when I was younger or I was just oblivious to it or maybe I was just getting a lot more sun. But it's a big game changer for me today. I mean, I do, I do things we are just back when we were back up in Tahoe like a lot a week or two ago You know, I wasn't feeling good Remember I was really down. It was like really exhausted and I went and laid out in the sun And just took everything off with little pair of shorts on and just let the sun just soak up the sun for a few hours Because I feel like I've been neglecting it so and I feel a media difference from doing that So I think that and I think it's I think this is an area that it's a reason why that. So I think that, and I think this is an area

that's a reason why a company like, I think Juve is on exploding it on the rise because you do get some of the benefits from the infrared like that that you get from the sun. And I think so many people today, especially in the Silicon Valley, are under these fluorescent lights, enclosed buildings all day long.

We weren't meant to be locked into rooms without sunlight. This is how we evolved. And there's an individual variance, of course. You know, if your pale, too much sun is not that much for somebody who's dark and too much sun can cause sun damage. But you know what the side effect of telling everybody the sun's bad for you has happened? Cancer rates have gone up in some places

because people are so afraid of the sun and they're constantly putting on sunscreens with these chemicals that are, that mess with your, that actually are almost hormone- hormone-like in the way that they can behave in the body. And you see skin cancer rates go down a little bit and all other cancer rates go up.

You need sunlight. Yeah, and this is something I'm conscious of, obviously. I'm going to ghost over here and my kids are ghosts, but at the same time, there's, there's, you know when you're going to be in a more intense sun exposure kind of situation. And so there's actually a lot more tech like type of shirts that actually like prevent you from getting too much UV that you can wear and you can go swimming in. And it's a way better alternative than all these like chemicals in greasy,

you know, like a sun blocks that you're trying to put on constantly. So, you know, that's something that we'll use at, well, we're hats or whatever, if we're like in like super intense sun exposure for too long, but for the most part, I'm trying to get as much sun as I can and then back and out and then coming in.

And you just gotta kind of find your own tolerance to it. Well, I'm glad Sal brought up the individual variance because I mean, I think there's a lot to do with like epigenetics and stuff like that with this. And you take somebody like your family history that goes back to like the Mediterranean and stuff like that. Youth, I would think you needed even more than Justin. I do. I think I needed even more than Justin. I do.

I think I need it more than Justin. Darker skin people synthesize less vitamin D from sun exposure. We need more sun exposure to get the same effects as somebody who's light skinned. So there's like, there's an individual variance for workouts or anything else. We just covered this in an episode talking about that. This goes in this category right here. And this could, like what we're talking about right now, could be an absolute game changer for you. You could be somebody that has evolved to be someone who needs a lot more sun than your friend. You might

have a Justin friend who doesn't need that much sun. He's going to be so lucky. You know, and if you have a friend like that, he doesn't need but maybe 10, 15 minutes a day of that where I feel like I need at least like a half hour to an hour of like good sun exposure every day to feel really good and I notice a huge difference when I'm going after it and when I'm not. Everybody needs a Casper. Next question is from one corner. How do you deal with someone who is very harsh on themselves? My friend has an amazing physique, especially for a teenager, yet he

is constantly comparing himself to others. Lots of times they don't even look as good as him, but he is still jealous and not happy with himself. Yeah, this is, you know, when you identify so strongly with your body, your net, this is where you're always going to be. you will never be out of all short constantly You will never be happy when you identify strongly with your body and it's look at even if you you can be fit ripped Look perfect at some point if you're lucky you're gonna get older And you you're gonna get old and your body's gonna change and if you identify so strongly with your body That's gonna be a very scary time for you.

You're gonna be in like all these celebrities. Yeah, the plastic surgery after plastic surgery and hormones and they just, because they identified so much with how they look. You know, your body can definitely reflect your health, so it's also important to pay attention to that. But if you identify so strongly with your body that you just, you're unhappy all the time,

there's no way out of that. You're always going to be unhappy. And this is, look, it's funny. How many times have you guys had a client or a friend where they're just so critical of their bodies? Oh my god, it looks so terrible. And you're at the beach and maybe someone takes a picture. And then 15 years later, old picture surface, and they're like, wow, man, look how fit I used to be. And you look at them and you go, do you remember what you used to say back then? Yeah. Used to think that you looked terrible. Now you're looking back and you're wishing you could look like that again. It's all, it's all your own perception.

So I know, how can you help them? Well, the first thing I would say is take his, take his, his focus off of the way he looks. The most effective, that's step one. The most effective way I've ever found this with the client is to change it from looks to performance. Not that you want to stay on performance because you've identified with that too much, you can have problems too. But it's an easier switch.

So I'd say, okay, this person is, whether it's the girl who is never skinny enough for the guy who doesn't have enough muscle I would say okay, we're gonna don't weigh yourself don't look in the mirror We're gonna see how strong we can get you and it would just shift their their perspective just long enough to where then we can Talk about this a little bit, but I have to move them to performance It's real it's real easy for a bunch of old guys like us to stay here and say this But I'll tell you something right now like man. You're a teenager, you're a ball of fucking insecurities. You know, and I was too.

And I don't know, I don't even know if old Adam could come back and talk to 17 year old Adam and say, hey bro, stop worrying about how skinny you are. You know, I don't know, because you at that age, we all do, we all do at all ages, but at that age in particular, you are just loaded full of all these insecurities and you're trying to figure that out. It's tough to try you to try and tell someone else. You can't do it head on because they won't believe you. I didn't when I was a teenager.

If someone told me, no, you look fine, man. I'd be like, you just saying that because I'm, you're nice. This guy already is way nicer than I would have been at his age. Yeah. Oh, you mean on a self? Oh, yeah. If my friend was like all neurotic about that, This guy already is way nicer than I would have been at his age. Oh, you mean on a self? Oh, yeah. If my friend was like all neurotic about that,

I just would have probably made fun of him. Wow. And then he would have made fun of me. It was like this back and forth thing. So I don't know, man. You're already winning by caring about your friend. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

This is what I'm saying. I'm just exaggerating to get insecurity even more. Yes. Yes. I was like, thanks friend. Yeah, but it's like, I don't know, man. That was a hard thing for me that I actually had now I realize like I should probably be nicer to my friends. He's looking at the mirror and he's like, oh man, I don't look good.

I'm skinny. You look like shit, bro. I look like you're right. He's like, I look like shit. Whatever and Justin goes, hey buddy puts his arm around him. Hey man, you got to look at the bright side. And he like shit, bro. I look like you're right. He's like, I look like shit. And whatever and Justin goes, Hey, buddy, puts his arm around him. Hey man, you gotta look at the bright side. And he's like, well, what's that?

You're just a train right? And he's like, yeah, you got good eyesight. You got good eyesight. You obviously can tell. You can tell. Your perception is accurate. Yeah, look at the bright side. Right?

He's just gonna shake him out of it. Yeah, that's a good point though, Justin. I mean, you're already a good friend because you care, right? You're already a better friend because I would have a bunch of so many insecurities myself that you would push. I know what would have helped me as a teenager and there's no way you could have talked me out of it,

but I think if you did it kind of sneakily by changing my, I swore to God, if I had, if I was training me as a teenager, I know exactly what I do. I wouldn't be like, you're not skinny, you're not whatever, never would have worked. I would have been like, I, listen, let's, let's, let's worry about something else.

Let's see how strong you can get. Just change the, change the focus a little bit on performance. Just long enough to where the person's not thinking so much about how they look, they're thinking more about how they perform. Then you might be able to start making some, some headway. But if you don't change that focus, ain't nothing you could do. Doug is sneakily another shaperism.

I don't know, it might be real. So it's sneakily, it feels like a roar. Sneakily, I feel like all the ones I say are roars too. We have a new webster. Well, let's see if Doug just looked it up. Yeah, it's an adverb. Oh, go to the good. Almost a job.

I thought I got you. You almost got an electronic dude. Roy, listen, we're only what, 1200 episodes? You'll get me. You'll get me. Ah. Anyway, look, mine pump is recorded on video as well as audio. If you want to watch the podcast,

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