Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1381: Why Planks Can Train Bad Posture, Correctional Exercises for Knock Knees, the Benefits of Float Therapy & More

Episode Date: September 16, 2020

Morning workouts are NOT for Adam and Justin. (6:39) Weird news with Sal. (9:11) Mind Pump Recommends (Un)well on Netflix. (12:00) Why you should handle the BIG rocks first when it comes to your health. (13:39) Mind Pump Recommends the Social Dilemma on Netflix. (19:11) Mind Pump approves a Presidential Debate hosted by Joe Rogan. (35:37) Mind Pump Conversations: The future of the gym space. (37:45) How to get enough nutrients in when calories are low. (46:59) #Quah question #1 – I have heard some trainers say that they are anti-plank, due to them training bad posture. What is your opinion on that? (49:57) #Quah question #2 – NASM teaches flexibility training before strength. You guys have said you train your clients for strength first, so now I am confused? (55:56) #Quah question #3 – What correctional exercises would you recommend for clients with knocking knees? (1:02:02) #Quah question #4 – What do you think about float therapy? (1:08:17) Related Links/Products Mentioned MAPS Fitness Products Man's Penis Bitten by 4-Foot Snake While Sitting on Toilet (Un)Well | Netflix Official Site Bee sting venom could provide treatment for arthritis Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! The Social Dilemma | Netflix Official Site iGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood--and What That Means for the Rest of Us Mind Pump #1140: Nir Eyal The Flip Side Trump says he's interested in debate hosted by Joe Rogan Joe Rogan Experience #1535 - Tim Kennedy The Peloton threat: Gyms have a plan to get Americans working out again The future of fitness is together but alone Fitness Training Center San Jose - Red Dot Fitness Website Jillian Michaels reveals she recently had coronavirus, warns about going to reopened public gyms Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Mind Pump TV - YouTube How to do a PROPER Plank – Mind Pump TV MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Prime Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media Mind Pump Podcast - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink)  Instagram

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In today's episode, that intro portion was 43 minutes long. By the way, if you go to MindPumpPodcast.com, you can see the entire podcast timestamps. You can fast forward to your favorite parts, probably when I'm talking anytime. Here's the breakdown of today's episode. We open up by talking about morning workouts and how much I do them and they don't. We talked about just and talked about sucking out snake venom for his friend.

Then we talked about, I didn't do that. Be venom therapy on the show, Unwell on Netflix. Great show, check it out, kind of weird. Then Adam talked about recommending blue light blocking glasses to his friend to help him sleep. By the way, we work with a company called Felix Gray. They make the best blue light blocking glasses around for two reasons.

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Please go watch it. Then we talked about the potential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden on the Joe Rogan podcast. Oh my God. Can we make this happen? Plea everybody, just let's make it happen. Let's sign petitions. This will be amazing.

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returning customer, you get double rewards points. So use the code every time you go to Legion. That was the first 43 minutes, then we got into the questions. Here's the first one. This person says, look, I've heard some trainers say that planks aren't good because they promote bad posture. What's the deal with that? Second question, this person is a trainer getting certified by NASM and they're saying,

look, you guys always talk about not static stretching before workouts, but I feel like I read in NASM's workbooks that you should do some static stretching before strength training. What's the deal with that? By the way, we talk a lot about priming in that part of the episode because we think priming is the best way to get your body ready to work out. It connects your body, you improve your strength, your performance, and your mobility for better workouts. It's like adding a turbocharger to your workouts.

You can actually go and watch one of our free webinars where Justin teaches you how to prime properly. Go to mapsprimewebinar.com. The next question, this person says, look, I have knocking knees. What are some of the exercises they could do to fix that? And the final question, this person wants to know what we think about float therapy.

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include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I always forget that when I squat heavy and like an idiot forget like, I'm gonna be sitting in a car driving or flying Applying the next day. You don't want to squat and then be stationed. No like especially like a heavy right like if you're doing like mobility You're like you know something like their lightweight work, but it's like I said to go a little heavy like yes You're all the way up to 132. Yeah It was a hard hard one. I thought real slow Real slow, she's that. Real slow template. Yeah, body weight. Yeah, real hard, real hard. No, my hips are like, oh, driving on the way home

or way back today. Nice to make that mistake when we go flying. Like, I gotta get it in before and go hard and hammer it. And then you sit there forever, it just locks you up. And then you're just trying to walk around with all this stupid paint. Yeah, yeah, I haven't squatted heavy in so long because I'm trying to fix them imbalances

But you've been on that kick for a minute. I've been on it for a while and then I went and tried challenging my mobility with squats and hurt myself So I guess there's more work to be telling me what's going on Oh, yeah, you know the problem is I wake up early in the morning to work out so I'll work I'll wake up at Like six and I'll be out in the garage by 6.36.45, but the problem is, especially when the kids are with me, is that I only have like 50 minutes, at 50 minutes to finish my workout, and so it's hard to get it all,

like the right amount of priming and a lot of stuff. I had a time to do the workout, so I'll do some, but it's not enough, dude. All right, what time are you consistently lifting at, Justin? What's probably three o'clock in the afternoon when you get home? Yeah, when you get home. Yeah, that's usually what I do.

I don't, I've abandoned the whole idea of doing morning workouts. I know. I want to be that guy too. I did too. I like, I know. I've had success, but it does take a lot of discipline. Yeah.

Forget that, dude. I like sleep Worn to that idea. I've just never been a morning person. You're the guy who wakes up and blasts music at six o'clock in the morning Like I just I'm not that I'm like it's got to be a good hour and a half before like I'm and I'm You know what I switch this is what I'm this is my son like K. So he's getting now to this age We're little bits of the personality or things. I'm like he's for sure me in the morning. Oh, really? He's not all happy and stuff. I mean, he's, I don't think I'm not happy. You're pretty negative. But I'm a grump of potomus.

You ingested both their bad moves. I just, when you wake up, I can't even think. I can tell too, because I'll start talking to you guys. And Justin makes this thing, he does this thing with his eyes. Like, he's trying to like, shut up my voice with his eyes. Yeah, because it feels like I'm getting blasted, you know? I don't think I'm angry, I just think that like, you know, this massive machinery up here,

it takes a while to warm up, you know? Saying it takes a while to get it. Really big cogs. Get it processing, you know? And then with some like, sounds like, hey, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? He's like talking to you all fat like whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, coffee. I'm like halfway through my cup. I put some gasoline in here first. Doug wakes up. All right. You're okay in the morning, right? That's what you and I usually room together. You're, I could leave you though.

You'll sleep if you're left alone. Yeah. I like mornings in bed. Yeah. Yeah. Late in bed still. I can't, you know what's fine. I can't necessarily sleep in. I'll try, but about the, the, still. I can't know it's fine. I can't necessarily sleep in

I'll try but about the the latest I can sleep in till is about 6.45 7 am Wow, and then I'm just yeah, I'm just laying there. I'm like what's going on? So I gotta get up, but it's not that I enjoy I prefer to work out in the afternoon It's just it doesn't happen consistently if I do it that just 100% I will miss at least one a week if I do it in the afternoon You in the morning it's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, it's true. There's variables that come into play dude I I go online sometimes and I Google weird news here. We do that. Yeah, all the time. Oh, it's fun Yeah, so do you guys know what one of the like if you get bit by a snake?

Mm-hmm a poisonous snake will first get out. That's one of the first things you're supposed to do, right? I think, no, it is, it's true. You're supposed to cut, I think you just cut an X over the wound. And then suck it. And then you put like a suction device or your friend sucks out the venom, or you can if you could reach it.

I thought that was like an urban legend. No, no, that's, that's open, because I don't want to get tricked. You know what I mean? No, it says right here, I look at it. It says cut X's over the fang marks and suck out the venom because it spreads quickly and efficiently through the lymphatic system. So, you know, that's what you're supposed to do. But anyway.

That's what's a peon. No, that's the other fact. I said jellyfish. The jellyfish stains you, you piss on it. My friend was five. I got a bit more five. It's just that pulls this thing out, so it's peon on it. You start whizzing on it. Oh, bro, it I got a bit more thighs. I don't have that much. He's just a possessed. I'm just gonna pull this thing out so I'm speeding on it.

You start whizzing on it. Bro, it's not a jellyfish. What? It's a snake. Dude, you do. I'm dying and you guys are pissing on me. So I read this article. It's just like the worst nightmare.

This is the worst nightmare for me. Stung by a jellyfish and bit by a snake. No, dude. So this is on combat. In Thailand, this university student, this kid, his name is Sarah Pop. He, 18 year old kid, sits down on the toilet, and there was a snake in the toilet, bit him in the dick.

Okay, what is it? Whoa. How do you sit on a toilet and not see a snake in the toilet? I think they hide. It's like it's everybody's worst nightmare. Yes. Well, first of all, it could be the dark, you know, like you do it in the dark, right? I don't know.

When you wake up in the morning, do or down. You sit on the toilet. You don't see what's in there, right? So it could have been that. Also, I think don't they sometimes hide down the pipe a little bit? Yeah, they go in the pipes sometimes. That's a thing about this, yeah. Or they'll go in the plumbing.

Or they'll hide under the rim. So you can't really see it unless you look under the heart. That gives me goose bumps. Dude, he got bit in his dick. And then that made me think about the venom thing, like. Right. Yeah, we got it. Yeah, got to be a good friend, dude.

Got to be a really good friend. I was just, I'm just telling you how much I love you. Maybe that's what I'll say. Maybe that's like the level of like my friendship, right? Like what level are you at? You know, are we there yet? Are we friends? I mean, we've been doing this now for six years together we were like closest best friends could be yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah You imagine you're sweating, you know, because the venom is hurting you and you're sweating and then your buddies down there try to help you out and why you walk by?

What the fuck? I mean on the plus side you go to the ER and it's like, man, you're packing some heat. Yeah, they're not. Wow, we haven't seen one. We haven't seen one like this in a long time. We got three testicles. Yeah. Have you guys seen that series on Netflix just reminding me of it?

Unwell? Unwell. Have you guys seen that? I think we talked a of it. Is it unwell? Unwell. Have you guys seen that? I think we talked a little bit. A few episodes. You brought up the breast milk one. Yeah. Yes.

So I saw that one. I saw the bee sting one. Oh, yeah, the bee sting. Yeah. So bee venom. Yeah, they went all into that with all kinds of different versions, like with the lady that actually put it in, like, make up and products and stuff like that.

Yeah. It was interesting actually to see what they're doing with B-Venom. Well, I went down the rabbit hole and started researching. B-Venom has been, well, products from B's have been used for thousands of years and lots of different cultures. But Venom in particular has been used as a way to treat pain. And apparently when you get stung by a B, it elicits this pain-killing response from the body

and anti-inflammatory response. So as a treatment for things like arthritis, apparently, it's actually has some value. But it's like gives you temporary relief though. Yes. But for like, really are you gonna go get stung every time to just relieve your pain? I don't know, it's weird, right?

Some people say how ice bath might be a better approach out of the thing. Yeah, Advil. Yeah. Just take care of the same thing, but it's less stinging. Yeah, but then there's in the makeup, so then they interviewed this like, this cosmetic skincare scientist, and they said that when you rub it in your skin,

that it does cause a minor swelling effect, which then fills in the lines. So you do look, for 12 hours, you do look like you have less wrinkles. So it's another way to get, what's the other, the injections that people get? Boat talks. It's like another way to kind of get that just from the cream.

You know, this reminds me the conversation I had this weekend with this, we went up to house, we had a couple of couples with us that we had hung out in a while. And whenever I don't see people for a while, the questions I always get, especially when we start talking about my and pump and what you guys are doing and partners you work with, and biohacking stuff comes up. Everybody always wants to ask me about all the, what do you think about hyperbarek chambers

and cryo there, micro-dosing? Yeah, and it's crazy. I forget in the last five to ten years years like how much like the bio hacking like Space is blown up like that wasn't even a thing when we were trainers early on but now you get every day people that it Trichols to them and they're like oh man I heard this about recovery. I heard this is amazing for Billy Muscle or burning fat and they have all these questions I said you know, I'm gonna tell you the same thing that I tell everybody. And even the, we're sponsored by some of these brands that could fall kind of the biohacking category.

I'm like, handle the big rocks first. Like before you go to a hyperbare chamber and spend, you know, $75 or $100 for a visit or a cryo therapy, $40, probably a visit to go do that. Like knock out your sleep, right? Get your sleep quality. I said, we were this company. I said that's, uh, does blue blockers. I said, it's going to sound cheesy. I said, my, my parents used to, you know, during my parents, like, uh, you know, their 30s or whatever

that blue blockers were a big deal. We used to make fun of them and stuff. And I'm like, but that is a small hack. It costs you, you know, 50 to 100 bucks to invest in a pair of them. Because you guys both are huge tech guys, I'm like on the same way or I'm on my computer late at night, I'm like, do something as simple as that. One time, purchase, you do that, make a habit of a good sleep routine. I guarantee you that will make a bigger difference than seven, ten visits to cryotherapy or hyperbaric chambers. There's some methods that really do have some impact like that.

Right. Well, the best biohacks that give you the most effective result, or not the biohacks themselves, but rather the biohacks that improve your ability to get better sleep, eat better, or exercise better. Those are the biohacks. Right. So blue light blocking glasses, first off, if you're on a computer all day long, there's definitely some benefit in the blocking

of the blue light by itself, because they can fatigue the eyes, can cause headaches, and maybe some damage, there's some evidence that there may be damage from long-term exposure. But the sleep effects, it's not the blue light blocking biohack itself, it's the fact that it helps you sleep better, and then the benefits come from the sleep. Well, that was the point. You sure I'm saying? This is the point that I biohack itself, it's the fact that it helps you sleep better and then the benefits come from the sleep. Well, that was the point I'm saying.

This is the point that I was making with them is like, before I'd went to the blue block is the thing that the conversation was going was like, they just like to buy these things, like stuff they wanna try out, and I'm like, listen, go after your diet first, your exercise consistency and your sleep, fur and stress, right?

I said, those four things like manage those first. And if you wanna buy something, I was like, if you wanna buy something to try, I'm like, that's where I point in the direction of blue blockers, I'm like, try these, make it a habit that as soon as the sun goes down, you put them on, regardless if you're gonna be on the computer or to even not just getting

the habit of that routine and report back to me on what your sleep feels like. Then yeah, that's, I mean, how I feel about all these kinds of products, if it allows you to then, if you have barriers in front of working out or moving, like you have all this pain that you have to address before you can even like try to get into like mobility practices and all these types of things, like that's where tools I do, you know, lean into that and recommend people kind of venture into like self-mouse, fast release

and like these other techniques and things to alleviate, so that way you can now put yourself in a better position. So you can find some of those biohacking techniques that do have value, and the B-Vendom thing is kind of interesting with that, with arthritis, but that's really, they do a good job of kind of showing the extremes of it and where it's not going well.

And another version of venom, actually, that I found was interesting. They were using snake venom to actually lower blood pressure. And so that's another valid thing that they're testing. Yeah. Right, isn't that weird though? He died, but look at his blood pressure. Through the floor.

Yeah, tying back to the snake venom in the penis snake. Yeah, exactly. No, you know, if you do a biohack that helps you eat better, exercise more consistently, get better sleep, that's the most valuable biohack. Bio-reduced stress, right? Or, you know, that's exactly,

that's the best way to use them. In and of themselves, look, I have a buddy right now who is trying to conceive. And, you know, they were trying for about seven or eight months and finally they went and got tested, got the fertility tested. And his test came back that he had a very, very low sperm count. So first thing he does, he sends me a message, oh, you know, so what do you think, what supplements

do you think can help me increase my sperm count? So I'm recommending certain herbs and stuff and I said, but, you know, how's your sleep? Let's talk about that for a second. So, talked about sleep, talked about diet. So, I convinced them to try changing a sleep and improving his diet. So, now he makes it a priority to get good sleep, whereas before he wasn't, he was just wired all day long,

caffeine. He's one of those like, go, go, go, kind of guy. It's a very successful guy. Wasn't taking sleep seriously. Now he started having a sleep routine an hour before bed or two hours before bed. And he's prioritized that. His diet has changed a little bit.

And in what was it? 45 days, his sperm count increased by 20 million. Just from that. Wow. There's no herb that's gonna do that. There's no supplement that's gonna do that. That's gonna have that kind of an impact. So it just goes back to.

Just some of the whole army there. Yeah,... You summed it to a whole army there. Yeah, what? You summed it to a whole army there. Yeah, that's what... A speaking of shows, did you guys get a chance to watch that social dilemma yet? Do, yeah. Do it that way, bro.

Yeah, so Courtney has literally deleted Facebook and Instagram after watching those gels. So I'm just a little upset that I couldn't get like an apology from you guys, because I mean, because you're Adam Atler. I mean, for three and a half years now, I've been touting that on this show. And to the point where I believe I've been teased

quite a few times about it. I haven't heard Joe Rogan mention it. I know just like a couple of weeks ago, now everybody's talking about it, right? Right. Joe Rogan mentioned it first. Yeah. No, there's proof. There's a recording of me talking about that.. Joe Rogan mentioned it first. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's proof.

There's a recording of me talking about that. Oh, there's plenty of proof. Yeah. There's lots of proof. But I mean, even, like, first of all, I mean, a lot of that stuff. And also, by the way, so what I liked about the social dilemma is the book, Igin, it does a lot more of that where it gets into the statistics, the analytics, and everything like that.

So, but man, it's, it is wild what they are capable to do, man. Well, the thing, so as I'm watching it, I'm trying to check myself, right? I'm watching it and I'm, it definitely will invoke some fear. Yeah. Because social media does a very good job of amplifying human behavior and human, what's impulse?

It does an exceptional job of doing all that. It does a very, it's job is to do that. In fact, it's trying to gain your attention. And so whatever keeps you there the most and keeps you the most engaged is what the AI is going to continue to produce. And what? Nothing does that better than conflict. Conflict or fear or wow or what's going on.

So what it's doing is it's just amplifying human behavior and human impulse. And what that does is it tends to radicalize people. And you're seeing this, right? You're seeing people become more and more extreme with their beliefs, but here's my problem. My problem is that they blame social media. That's like blaming capitalism for greed.

Like, these are human behaviors. It's a tool, eliminate it, we'll create another one. Yeah. That's gonna keep doing that. So the only solution is for people to become, it's like process food. Right. But people still need to be aware of what that is and how they're profiting off of it. Well, not just that, but be aware of your own behavior. And what's that? It's like process foods. Like, oh just that, but be aware of your own behavior and what's that.

It's like process foods. Like, oh, let's blame process foods. Should we ban it all? No, you got to make the choices yourself. So I don't, so I mean, I still stand by what I've said since the beginning, which is like, it doesn't scare me. It doesn't, I don't blame social media or I don't look at them like they're evil.

It's like, that's their job to keep you engaged to make more money. I mean, think about this. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm watching, like we do this, okay? So why Facebook leads are so successful for us is because they are targeted with these algorithms. They have the ability to go,

oh, somebody who's trying to, you know, get abs, you know, we have the ads that we give a free guide away to these people and you can clone an audience of the type of people that would be reading this material and Facebook has all that analytics because of that. I mean, if you were to take away this tool, we would hurt unbelievably.

I mean, it would crush our business. You know, and I tend to agree with you guys like most of the time, but I do see an inherent problem with young minds, young impressionable minds that don't have barriers and walls of manipulation figured out yet that they're totally using and abusing. We used to have this for the way that you market and to kids and things on TV

and all those walls are being, you know, undercut and knocked down because, you know, this is where they're hanging out. They're hanging out here and they're getting fed all this bullshit constantly because this is what they're following and now the algorithms figure out how to then radicalize the ideas of these kids

and I have like a very big problem with that. Yeah, well, again, it's the genie's at, it's like this is like any innovation, the genie's out, right? So we are the ones that are responsible for our kids and our own behaviors. Being aware is a big one. Like you can navigate the world and not not be, for example, right? We have a world that's designed to keep you sedentary because that's what we want. We want to not do stuff. We like to relax and also have this really convenient, tasty, processed food all around us. That means that a lot of people are going to be obese, but you can still choose to live in a way that prevents that. It's just the choice. It's harder. It's just a choice. So now we have this social media, these AI algorithms

that continue to keep your attention and what they do inadvertently is they continue to radicalize or strengthen extreme ideas. So conspiracies, fake news, you can see this with politics. Both sides have become, both sides have actually become a little bit more extreme because that's what gets people's attention. So, and it's interesting, there was a quote in that documentary where they said,

I don't remember who said it, it was a really good quote. Something like, human progress consistently teeters between self-complete self-destruction and progress. And it made me think of the Cold War. Like we invented nukes and we got so damn close with destroying ourselves. And then we didn't and we became- This is a, this is what happens when we live

like somewhere so progressive, right? We're always gonna be stretching the limits on things. And I think part of what we're going through right now, the feeling that we have and the definitely like the feeling that Justin is speaking to is, it's, we're really finding out right now. So I think that it's no different than when we really understood how bad cigarettes were for you.

Well, that's the thing, okay? So we had the guy on the show that was like, basically like the tech advocate, which was making a really great argument about, you know, putting the responsibility back on the individual. However, we've seen how this has played out, and this is not something people are picking up on. They need more information,

they need more education to be able to combat what is already a really strong pull for people, and they're playing and praying off of people's tendencies and weaknesses, and they're not even aware of it. I get where you're going, and here's the thing too, I was drawing the parallel to cigarettes where it's really not because your kids are giving iPads in school now. They're giving these tools, they're encouraged to use these tools.

They've got shows on the streaming television or their iPads, so it's different than like marketing alcohol or cigarettes to them where there's other barriers to keep them from getting addicted to that, where these tools are encouraged. They're encouraged at a very young age. And so I can get where you're coming from just in that. It is a little scarier when you think about children with it. As far as grown adults, it is your responsibility, just like process food. It is your responsibility, but it's like, if you're school, like that's all they fed your kids, whereas processed foods, and they were encouraging them

to eat that all the time. I mean, it's like at some point, you gotta step in. Well, the other thing too, is it's an easy and prime way for outside players to manipulate the American public. It's very easy. There's another factor. Yeah, which is, it's actually quite easy. It's easy for a foreign government or terrorist group

or whatever to pose as a business, to post articles, to radicalize people to, you know, to- Start protests, you know, just online with groups. It's already, it's already happened. Yeah, it's documented. It's already happened. And so what, to me as I watched this documentary, what it really made me think of was this tool

because it connects people so much, right? Now we're really connected. We can hear each other. We can read each other's opinions and comments and we can share articles. They could go viral overnight. It's going to amplify humanity. So I think we have some options here.

There's like, there's like, there's like two roads here. We're at a fork on the road. Let's amplify humanity. Well, that means there's some good. Right. And then there's some nasty that we can amplify. And so it's like, we need to wake up and decide which direction we're gonna go.

Yeah. And also, you gotta be aware, this is a big one for me. This one I'm constantly challenging myself with because I know just how powerful it is is I'm constantly challenging myself and thinking, am I being manipulated right now? Am I, why do I feel so strongly about this article

or so is this real, is this true or is this just another narrative? Or am I being... Yeah, I'm not speaking on just on everybody else's behalf. Like, this happens, I was checking myself on posts and things that I was getting drawn into and why I was starting to feel visceral feelings about certain things.

And it's like purely just praying off of like what they see is like things that I'm afraid of or like some things I don't agree with or what I don't like. And so Courtney's like deleted this and I've been asking her the past few days, what have you thought? Like what's your experience so far? And she's like, I'm a lot more prone to just,

you know, when I get bored or think of it, I text one of my friends and I say, hey, how are you doing? And then we get in a conversation and it's real. And there's no third party in there trying to pull you in any direction. It's like, you're just having a conversation with your friend, like it should be.

So like, tell me the weight of social media versus all the other tech innovations. I don't see any value in it. Yeah, Jessica got rid of hers too. She got rid of her, this is before the documentary. Got rid of her Instagram. Oh, I didn't know that. Keeps it active because she was running her business through it,

but does, does, has the app offer phone completely off Facebook for all the reasons that this documentary talked about. She did this a while ago. And she noticed the huge difference. She's like, my anxiety's lower. I feel, I don't have my body image is better because obviously, when you're going on, you're seeing body. Well, back to the quote you said, I mean, I think that's, we're just in that time right now. We went so extreme, everybody accepted it, that is, it's all good. And I think more and more information is coming out and presenting self.

I think you're gonna see the pendulum will swing back. I don't think we're gonna see more and more people getting addicted to it, abusing it. I think that I think people are becoming more aware and more people are doing that. I mean, I did the same thing this weekend. This weekend, I completely set the phone down completely. It just like was off.

I was off text everything. I was just like, I'm up here. I don't want to do anything. I don't need to work right now. There's always work to be done. I don't want to be on social media. I'm just going to put the phone down and just leave it in my room and just socialize with the people that I'm with.

I think more people are starting to do that. Like before, it was so new, it was so amazing that you could connect to these people over the world. There's all this information that you can be fed to you all the time and it's information that you like to read and I think people are starting to realize that it can be manipulative. So it's now like, okay, I've got to learn to self-regulate.

But I do agree with you just in that. The area that concerns me is kids. You know, the total is,, you know, my biggest concern because we are there, they're giving, I mean, a lot of schools give iPads and what we're at right now with education, they're telling them to get on there and they're telling them to use that for Zoom. Well, even YouTube, like, you know, my daughter will watch YouTube and we put it on the kids friendly one, but still there's an algorithm that'll recommend

another video and another video. And it's these algorithms that'll recommend another video and another video. And it's these algorithms that start to push you. Yeah, and YouTube has it. Well, I thought that was cool on the show. They did talk about like, okay, how do you kind of, as a person, how do you hack this? So you don't get, you know, stuck, cattled into it in an area, right? Where you're just getting biased.

And they said once, you know, one strategy is never click on the videos that are recommended to you. And then always go out of your way to either follow people or look at articles and like articles that are a post and a pointer point. Yes. I do that all the time. Yeah, opposing your views.

Have to do that. If you do that, then you, the, the, the, because it's a computer that's doing it. It's, I mean, the show made it sound like there's like, like there's people that are like, there's people that are like, oh, you can just like puppies all day long, and then that's the only thing that's can mean your feet.

Right, so it is really like, you could control that and like sort of flip the script, but people just need to be aware of that. That's it. And so I think that's a big way that, I think people can already start to, okay, I'm not gonna completely pull myself off a social, I use it for business or I like it.

But we've talked about this. I purposely do this. I purposely will follow one page and then find an opposite type of page or I'll read an article and then I'll try to read an opposing article. I've done this now for a long time. It actually can feel painful because especially if you read an article that you really agree with, finding the opposing article, you almost don't want to read it. Yeah, yeah, it's true. But I do it on purpose. Here's what here's an exercise. This is easy. This

is easy for for the audience. Try this. Open up a tab to CNN and then open up a tab to Fox News. And just toggle back and forth between them. I don't care if you're liberal conservative. Well, that's why I like that. You can hear the complete opposite story. It is the most fascinating thing. It's so fascinating, because you can clearly see different narratives being painted.

And if you do this every single day, I promise you, you'll be way more aware than most people around you. And you know what though, that's what, again, this is why it's so great to be in this country though. Like, we're not the first people to recognize this issue. And then you have companies that see an opportunity to create a better business and like the newsletter flip side, which aggregates that for you, right? They grab information from the left and from the right and present both of them.

And then they have like a kind of like in the middle synopsis of it, right? So I think that, you know, I don't know, I have faith in our humanity. I think that overall people sort of put pieces together. I think we're at a really strange time right now when it's like, I mean, no doubt in my mind, we are more divided today than we have in any other 39 years in my life. And I think it's crazy because the whole message

is about unity right now. We're trying to, you know, that's like what the big message is right now behind BLM. And I think I look at all this and I'm like, this is crazy because I felt like just five years ago, we were way further along than where we're at now. And a lot of that is because of of social media. And it's polarizing us. It's, and I see it in my own family and friends, you know, the people that are on the left have dubbed their heels and more. You know, the people that are on the left have dubbed their heels in more, the people on the right have dubbed their heels on even more.

Well, you know what's interesting is that if you actually look at the statistics, the both political parties that have, they're solid base. And the way that they judge this is by people who are gonna vote that way no matter what. Essentially, that's your base, right? That's your strong base.

Both the left and the right, their base, if you combine them, is less than independence, people who don't, who swing between either party. So it also may be one of these things. And social media does a very effective job of doing this. It tends to amplify the loud voices and create the perception that maybe it is more polarized, but the reality may actually be it's not.

In fact, it may be more quiet people sitting around going. No, it's not crazy. This is crazy. In fact, I thought it was a documentary, but maybe it was another order quiet. They actually had the analytics on this and it's the data. Both parties. Yeah. If you look at the, okay, so if you, and they've done independent independence study, if you look at the Republican party and moved over to the right a little

bit, and if you look to the Democrat party, moved over a lot further to the left, but more voters today called themselves independent than ever before. In fact, you can't win an election without winning a decent chunk of independence. So, in, so, in, for example, when they do primaries, if you have like a bunch of Democrats trying to win the primary to be the Democrat elect for, you know, to run for president, they, the way they, they campaign is way more extreme to that left base than when they actually doing the general election, because now they have to appeal to, everybody to independence.

So it may be one of those things, I mean, look, if you follow fitness, if you follow fitness on social media, what does it look like? Looks like everybody's ripped, everybody's freaking jacked, you know, everybody's having beast mode workouts, like I've worked in gyms most of my life.

That's not the truth. You see, like one or two of those guys. Maybe like a month, you know? Well, they just come in and out. Yeah, yeah. You almost never, they stand out. They're just posing. Yeah.

And most people in the gym, there's a bias for people who want to be fit. And still in there, it looks pretty damn average. Yeah. It doesn't look like you see on social media. And since we opened up the can of politics, did you guys see basically like Joe Rogan, like who was it Donald Trump was asking to see

if you could get like a debate. Hosted debate. Yeah. So Rogan interviewed, I can't remember his name, dude. He was that fighter. He's in Tim Kennedy. There you go. Interviewed him, great interview, but he brought it up. Yeah. And Rogan's like, I would love to host a debate, a three hour discussion between Biden and Trump. Never would have. And Trump immediately tweeted out, yeah, I'm down, make this happen.

Never would this happen. I know. It would be a three hour unscripted discussion. There's no way. Be amazing. Yeah. No teleprompters. Yeah, let's do this.

It would never. Why? Why not? Yeah, dude. Like, this is the era of long form. You know, like, let's, let's do this. It would never be why why not yeah, dude like this is the era of long form You know like let's let's talk about all your ideas. I don't I don't can see which I don't care what side you're on Okay left or right or in the middle you you got to lose respect for the guy that's not willing to do that Yeah, come on well They know that come on gotta be confident in your ideas. Politics is about winning elections and they know that if you talk for three hours or two hours

and you get tough questions that your opponent's team or whatever is gonna take snippets about shit you said, you're gonna give them political fodder for the next five years. I'm just so sick of the sound bites. I wanna know like where we stand with both their ideas.

Oh, they would get, okay, first of all, Biden would do terribly, he's just not doing well, speaking right now. He's having a hard time. Trump would probably do better, except Trump would also say some crazy shit. He put his foot in his mouth, that would definitely, it's just too risky, but I would love it.

Are you kidding me? A real debate? Give me some popcorn. Not a pretend debate, but like a real one. It doesn't even have to be a debate. It's a conversation. I would love a three hour dialogue about just everything. You know what I'm saying?

Just let them talk about their views on all kinds of different policies. And just let's hear what they have to say and how they feel. But I think it would be great conversation. It would be amazing. It would be the most viewed debate of all time. They did that. Oh yeah, for sure. I think so.

But they would never know where they would live. So, you know, you saw you sent over an article, I think it was yesterday that I read. I think it was regarding Peloton originally, but it goes into just like the future of fitness. Yeah. I think I read, this was like two or three months ago, I shared on the podcast that, you know, 23%,

I think is what it was that said that they will never return to the gym. Oh, people who work out. that said that they will never return to the gym. Like people who work out. Yeah, so they'll never return to the gym. Then another quarter said that they're uncertain. I think that number is now creeped up to 50% of the people are saying they'll never go back to it. They can, as they're opening right now.

Yes. Well, that case, that article at Salson, they're just talking about that we may be in the middle and the fitness in the fitness space of a new era, just the way fitness is done differently. Like maybe the gym, the gym boxes are gonna just ultimately die or become very much like these private spa type of places and then most people, some massive, massive change can happen for sure.

Well, okay, so part of me, look, I grew up in the gym business, I ran big gyms, so I have a lot of friends that own these companies. And so I love them, but the model for a long time was not a great one. I mean, look at big box, gym, literally this is what they rely on. They rely on people buying a membership and not coming.

Yeah. Because if everybody showed up and I had a membership, they would not be able to service all of them that they shut the doors. That's how many members they have and that's how many people who don't go to the gym. It'd be interesting to see that statistic of what exact percentage, like I think we have ideas

because we were in it for a long time, but I would love to see that because this time with COVID and everybody being home and looking at their finances and these economic uncertain times, I think we have ideas because we were in it for a long time, but I would love to see that because this time with COVID and everybody being home and looking their finances and these economic uncertain times, like I bet there's a lot of people that have actually kind of calculated, you know what, man, I was paying that gym membership

for like 15 months and I didn't even go, but one time, it's only $10 a month, yeah, but I don't use it. Yeah, and if you do the math on that, I could have bought a squat rack in a barbell and some plates, and I could just have it in my garage. Like, why wouldn't I just do that? Yeah, I mean, I see that as one market too, I also saw another article about like grocery stores

and how everybody just hates the experience. You know, it's one of those things. Like if you put all these things that you think are so safe and keeping everybody away from each other, like nobody likes that, you know, like how long are you gonna do that before you just like, dude, just let me, like just chip it all to my house. Yeah, I'm not going anywhere.

Well, I mean, so, cause, okay, back to the fitness, right? What you saw with the fitness space, because, okay, and we've been in there for a long time, what did we see? We saw big boxes explode. This was the late 90s, early 2000s. And then you saw creeping in small boxes, high service, high dollar, low volume boxes. You can maybe even put CrossFit in that category, but you see these boxes, pop these small

type facilities popping up everywhere, competing with the big box, low price, don't show up, prime time pack type of, you know, of a business plan or whatever. So it was already kind of, there was already some shifts happening. I mean, when we started, when I started at 24 in 1997, back in 1997, in all club membership, which was only 100 clubs, I think at the time, 120 clubs. Now they had, you know, I don't know, 500 or whatever. It was 45 or 50 bucks a month and it was like 400 bucks a joint.

This was in 1997, towards the, before the pandemic, I think you could get that for like a third or a fourth of the price. So they'd already gone down this, this huge slide of just cheapening everything, making it less. And this is like the final nail. It totally reflects what I talked about of the marijuana industry the other day.

It just everybody started to open their own gym. You got boxes open all over the places. You got cross fits. You got everybody that wants to be a gym owner in the last decade. And then it was a race to the bottom of the prices. Everybody undercutting how cheap they can make. You got places like Planet Fitness with $10 a month. So now it's got the place where you either are going to be able to compete with Planet Fitness

with most private clubs or never going gonna be able to do that. So what it will do, and it will open up the opportunity for like the small spa-like experience. The smaller box that really cators to their 500 members that come. And it's $150 a month, $200 a month for real nice gym. Yeah.

And everybody else gonna work at home. I mean, fitness tech is exploding. So it's not like the market demand for fitness is going down. People still want to work out, but you have companies like Peloton. Well, the Russian. This is what's interesting, because I thought for sure,

a company like Equinox would be all in, you know, with the higher value, like less people coming in, giving them service and all this, they decided to just keep it all shut down and go all in on the virtual. So they're speculating, you know, we just need to keep reinforcing that side of the business because this is just gonna last.

Well, what a crazy shift for something that mass-crazy, right? Are they really, are they shut down still? As far as I know, that that was their plan. That was their marketing plan. Wow, that's interesting. That's scary, dude. That's a big move to go from being a brick and mortar and then to completely shift over to digital

is would be hard as fun. Yeah, it is gonna be interesting. Because again, I do see physical facilities that are smaller with higher service. I see those thriving. I don't see the big boxes, the huge old school, 20 bucks a month and four. Have either one of you guys talk to Scott lately? I haven't talked to Scott in a couple months. No, but their doors are open right now. the big boxes, the huge old school 20 bucks a month. And go out with them.

Either one of you guys talk to Scott lately, I haven't talked to Scott in a couple of months. No, but their doors are open right now. They are. They're open again, but I do know that they've gone hard in the virtual side, so I know they've, but they're trying to do both, right?

Which I think that's what you have to do. I kind of have to. I think the ones that will make it will be these smaller boxes that give you this spa, very personal feeling. And then in addition to that, also provide a virtual site. So you kind of have the best of both worlds. Like we have, we can complement the, the, for you to be able to train from home, maybe

with your personal trainer with virtually. And then you also have the facility when you come in, which now allows you to travel and still have access to your favorite gym. And then in addition to that, when you're in town, you can come into your gym and you pay this flat rate that's gonna be a premium rate, like you're saying, so that'll be a lot more money, but the service will be much higher. I just don't see a gym staying alive anymore

between the prices of 10 and $60 a month. It's just not feasible, especially with where we're at. Not right now. No, especially where we're at, right? Yeah, I think it'll probably take a couple of years to get that, at least that feeling out of people's bodies and minds, even if everything's open back up. I mean, what do you guys have?

It's with my friends, my family, this is what I'm feeling. And of course, that's completely biased because it's just my small network of people. But I've got quite a few people that have moved to Peloton or moved to getting a gym inside their garage. And a lot of people, but I've got quite a few people that have moved to Peloton or moved to getting a gym inside their garage, and a lot of people are loving it. I have a much smaller percentage of people that are like, man, and don't get me wrong, by the way,

I miss going to the gym, I miss the workouts, I'm on the guide of all of us that said, I like that the most, so there is a part of me misses, but I've definitely gotten very used to training at home, and I think that a lot of people have too, and there's some perks to that. And the people who will go back to gyms are the hardcore people. I would. I like working out in gyms.

I wouldn't mind going in there risking it, washing my hands, wearing a master, and the thing, trying different machines. But the average gym gore is not that hardcore about it. If they could be active at home, they would, if they're consistent at all. That market, again, it was shaky to begin with with their model. So it's like, what is it last straw on the camel's back? Yes. I think you're right in terms of it being like the small,

like high-end experience or the small dungeon type experience, right? Well, speaking of which, you know, Jillian Michael, she got coronavirus, right? You guys heard about this? No, I did not. She got corona, I guess she got better. And then she does this tweet or whatever, talking about warning people to go back to,

don't go to gyms, it's a bad place, you can get coronavirus, which is terrible for her to say because that's not where she got hers. She got hers because she had a close friend of hers over her house who gave it to her. So she gave, but she does this thing about, don't go to gyms because they're dangerous. And I do wanna make this point,

so far the data shows that gyms are not places that people get sick. In fact, they're more and more safer places where people can congregate and not get ill. They're doing a phenomenon. I don't think that she got better. I don't believe that the facilities are so much safer. I think it's a bias of people that go.

I think that you, yeah, I think. And if you feel secure and, yeah. And if you're going to the gym right now, you fall in probably the hardcore category, right? So these are probably people that follow a diet, that probably train consistently, we've been itching for their gym to open. You take those people, following rules, keeping mass on,

and then now the gyms, like separating everybody, washing everything down. I think because of that, we're gonna see very little cases pop up, which is silly why they're not opening it for those exact reasons, but I don't think it's necessarily a safer place. I can't imagine running, breathing, lots of people breathing heavy,

and a closed, hot, humid type of box would be the most, you know, the safest place for you to be. I just think it's the people that are going there are less likely to have. That's what that's probably why and you're less likely to go work out. If you don't feel good, the first, the last thing you do is you want to work out. Go to the gym. Yeah, you're even trying to do that. Anyway, I got a, I got a DM.

I want to address something real quick because I was a good question. Somebody asked me, they said that they're on a diet, they're trying to cut, so they cut their calories, but they're afraid that they're not getting enough nutrients now because their calories are down low. This is actually a real challenge for some people where we get our nutrients from food. When you cut your calories, you do lower your nutrient intake. And so there's a couple of things you could do. One, this is why I told them focus on nutrient dense foods so that your nutrient levels stay

high, even though your calories are low. Or this is one of the subsets of the population, I think, a multivitamin might be beneficial, especially if you're going through a period where you're really cutting your calories low either doing a long fast or you're a competitor because it is hard for some people, especially if you're active on top of it, to get enough micronutrients when you're eating 1,400 calories in a day. What would you say? I mean, do you have, I know it's going to be very individualized, right?

Do you kind of have a number, like if you were training a client and they were on a diet and they're at a certain calorie intake? Because obviously, okay, the guy who, who let's use me, for an example, a 5000 calories, I'm cutting for a show, I'm now I'm dropping to four or 3,500 calories, I'm still getting plenty. I did take a year.

You're eating whole natural foods, animal meat, so I'm not taking a multivitamin at that time. But. No, when I have female clients go below 1500, especially if some of the ways they're getting their 15-year calories like rice, and the same kind of stuff all the time, then I'll recommend.

Then I see more of that. Then I see more of that. And then for a guy under 2000 calories, especially if they have good lean body mass, sometimes I'll recommend a multivitamin. So that's the one time when that's might be something you want to consider when you're cutting your calories because you eat less food. You also simultaneously tend to lower your nutrient intake.

Now because of that, too, is this where you would ever put somebody potentially on like a BCAA if their protein intake is low, too? If you're cutting, you're cutting 1500 down to 1500 calories. Sometimes it's even hard not only to hit your microbes, but even your macros. Yeah, but rarely, right? That's usually vegans. Vegans, I would have them take BCAAs,

but even at 1500 calories, if you're a female eating 1500 calories or 1300 calories, you're probably like 130 pound, you know, 140 pound female. Yeah. You could get 110 grams of protein and have a nice ratio. Stay under there. Exactly. This quad brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food

nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk risk free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from 713 Clown. I've heard some trainers say that they are anti-plank

due to them training bad posture. What is your opinion on that? I like this question. Who picked this? I did. Good question, because this is, I mean, here's the thing. I can defend either side here. Yeah.

So I'm not a fan of the plank for most people either, unless I'm teaching it, right? So if I see, if I see, I used to see trainers teaching it, right, that work for me all the time. Most of them don't do it right. And most of them don't. Most of them it was just it's just very commonly misused. Yeah. It's an easy kill five to 10 minutes with your clients, but not really do anything. Right? That's really what you're reminding me of when trainers either they would do the plan or they'd or they'd run outside

for laps or they'd have them do the wall sits. Yeah. When you have nothing left to do. I never said 10 more minutes. It's totally a reminder. You told three lazy training moves. Exactly what I think of right away. Now that being said, Sal did a great YouTube video on our mind pump TV channel about an active plank. You should read the comments.

There's all kinds of people that have flipped everyone flipped their lid because of what he's teaching there. But I stand behind what he talked about 100%. And that's where you do like more of a tilt with your pelvis in order to activate your abs and your core. So it looks like you kind of have this little bit of a crown or a rounded back, which to the average person, those are goes, that doesn't look right. I've seen these other planks where they look way more flat,

but then the problem with that is almost everybody. I'd say 90% of the population has somewhat of an anterior pelvic tilt to where their butt is kind of sticking in. They have more of an excessive arch and they're low back. And then you go in a plank position and gravity is literally reinforcing those forces right in that spot. Exactly. So for that reason, I don't like the plank generally speaking,

but if you train it like an active plank or like what Sal taught on the YouTube channel, then I'm totally pro at. Yeah, I don't like when trainers say things like, I don't like that exercise because it trains this pattern. Depends on who you're training. Okay, so, okay, could it reinforce bad posture on someone who's already got terrible posture,

weak mid back muscles, poor core stability, and they can't perform it properly? Of course, that means it's an inappropriate exercise for that person. Done properly and combined, because you're not just doing one exercise. If you're working out, you're not just doing planks. I could also say don't bench press.

That's bad for bad posture too. But you're not just bench pressing and you're working out, you're doing rows and you're focusing on scapular mobility and it depends on the individual that I'm training. Very rarely do I tell a client, never do an exercise unless they can't perform it properly. They don't have enough mobility, enough stability

in which case, we'll avoid the exercise. But if they can do it properly and it's part of a good program, it's much more complex than just looking at the exercise alone and saying, this isn't good because this encourages, you know, whatever, in combination with other movements, a plank can be awesome. My favorite way to use a plank is with advanced clients,

I like to combine it with another exercise in a superset. So I like to do like a prom, I like to do a plank and then move to like a physio ball crunch or vice versa, that can be real good. With beginner clients, it helps me teach them how to control their pelvic position. And 90 to 10 times, they do them off their knees. Most people can't do, they don't have enough strength

to control their pelvic position in a full plank. So I have them go down to the knees and then we get them to squeeze their abs and control that position. Well, in that regard, I use the plank. A lot of times is like a transitionary type of exercise for people that don't have the type of strength, especially in an extended plank position

where I want them to do push-ups. And a lot of people can't maintain the proper form there and have their core drawn in and everything else activated to support while they're doing push-ups. So I find value in that in terms of slowing down and really emphasizing just the stability portion of how they should be feeling it and where they should be feeling it as a teaching type of an exercise. But there's places for it's all in how you program it for sure.

And I do like the version that you teach on YouTube much better as opposed to just going for the flat plank that's going to reinforce, you know, a lot of positions there in the lower back. Well, I think that's the problem that that some trainers have with it is when you understand what the purpose of the exercise is and then you see how most people do it, you go like, okay, that's defeating the purpose. So then it makes it sound, it seems like, oh, that's a worthless exercise or you shouldn't even do it because it, like, sales said it reinforces these bad patterns. But yeah, if you learn how to do it properly, then it doesn't defeat the purpose whatsoever. So it can be a phenomenal exercise.

It's just that most people do it wrong. And it's harder to take a client who you haven't you haven't really taught we talked about this on a podcast of their day about like training people and you know from what do we consider intermediate beginner or advanced right like as far as like where their skill level is and If I have a client on an extra like that. It's really hard to cue somebody how to get into that position They're gonna default to like their bad patterns right away. So that's where it's challenging. If you're good coach though, and you give good cues to get them in there, which is again, why I like that video that Sal does

because that cue is teaching them what they need to kind of engage the entire time. And once that person learns an active plank really well, they can do a more traditional flat plank because they know what muscle they're trying to engage versus showing someone here, get down on the plank and just hold it. Yeah, and then just hold it, you know, because then they're just holding with their hip flexors. They're just, and that's why they can do it for nine minutes, you know, in that position

because they're not really activating their core. Next question is from health coach Liz. NASM teaches flexibility training before strength. You guys have said you train your clients for strength first, so now I'm confused. Okay, so I think I know what they're asking here. Okay, so static stretching before you work out and lift weights, usually a bad idea, and here's why. We gotta look at the details. When you hold a muscle in a static stretch, and a static stretch is like, I go down to touch my toes and I hold that stretch for 30 seconds

or I'm on the floor and I stretch my quad and I just hold it in that position for 30 seconds. Those are the static stretches, the old school PE stretches that your teachers would have you do. Does NDSM teach that? Well, stability is their first. I was gonna say, is this person correct here before we start defending.

But I think I know why they say this. I think they're a little confused. I'll get there. They're addressing the imbalances first. Yes, thank you Justin. Exactly. So look at the details. Again, so you're holding a stretch for a long period of time. What that does is it tells the central nervous system to weaken its signal to that muscle. So if I hold my pec in a static stretch for 30 seconds or 60 seconds, and this is why you actually get longer range of motion. If you're holding a stretch for 30 seconds, you notice it starts to get deeper and deeper. Your CNS turns off essentially a little bit for that muscle, so you lose connection. Now why is that not good for strength training?

Well, you don't want to go into a strength training workout with your muscles partially turned off, that can cause problems, can cause instability, and could cause injury. However, there are times when this may be appropriate. This may be appropriate when antagonistic muscles may be getting in the way of proper form. So in layman's terms, let's say I'm doing a row,

which in the row I want to bring my shoulders back and I want to squeeze that mid-back area, but my chest is just so tight that I can't get proper form. It's just getting in the way. So it's hard for me to, I'm already weakened my mid-back, but now I got these tight pec muscles pulling me forward. What can I do? If I static stretch my chest before I do the rows,

my CNS weakens the signal to my chest, allowing it now to get out of the way a little bit. So I have better form. This is what you're seeing in NASM. They're teaching you to static stretch muscles that may be tight that are preventing to get into optimal posture. That's it.

Yeah, better, I don't even like using static stretch here. It's corrective stretching. Yeah. And that's the difference, right? They're both static holds, right? They both are doing it correctly. But they're doing it for corrective purposes. So. And that's the difference, right? They're both static holds, right? They're both doing it correctly. But they're doing it for corrective purposes, so you're in a better position when you go to exercise, which is what we do with mobility, right?

So when you are maps prime, this is what maps prime is all about. So in a perfect world, you're not just running anabolic by itself or performance by itself or aesthetic by itself. You also have prime to complement it and you take yourself through the assessment. So in a perfect world, you go through the assessment in prime, and if you haven't followed the webinar that Justin did, it's free, you could watch it.

I highly recommend it to everybody, especially if you don't have the program. So you are all for that dog, is it prime? Maps prime webinar dog. Maps prime webinar dog. So the idea is that you go through that, you assess yourself. During that assessment,

it's going to help point out the areas that you need to work on corrective stretching. And then your idea is to do those movements, those priming movements that we tell you to do in maps prime based off of how you pass or fail your assessment. That then becomes your staple corrective stretches you do before you go into training. We talk about priming and mobility

because it's more of an active stretch, and NSM still uses kind of the older model of static. We evolved pasta, and that was where we all kind of started out, but really like mobility training is strength training. So that's the difference in terms of like gaining access to different ranges, but you have strength in those ranges. So it's not just about attaining this passive range of motion, which you get from static stretching, which theoretically you can open up the ability for you to then get into better posture, which is going

to perform better movements. This actually, you know, takes you through that process of teaching your body how to acquire and recruit strength within each angle of that range of motion. And so that's why I've actually preferred mobility training and I'm completely abandoned, most static stretching. And really static stretching for me, like if I use it at all, would be at the end of my workout. Dude, priming is, if you can't even compare proper priming to the old ways of corrective stretching before you work,

there's no comparison. In fact, we just got tagged in the forum by somebody who, they've listened to us talk about on the podcast all the time, didn't really buy into it, finally did a real priming session. And they're like, this is their quote, totally has changed my perspective on priming, and I'm going to prioritize it each time I work out because they noticed just way more connected to the workout.

It's just a much better way of getting your body ready for your workout. And that webinar that he did free, by the way, it's mapsprimewebinar.com, go on there, just do me a favor, try it out, try it out, it doesn't cost anything, he literally teaches you how to do it, and then go do a little workout and see how you feel. I'm really curious where this person

is getting the flexibility, because it's been so long since I've looked at NSM, right? So I pulled up, I know they're OPT model, right? So I pulled them, they're five step OPT model, right? So I pulled up their, their five step OPT model and they don't start in flexibility. It's phase one for them is stabilization in endurance. Yeah, it's stabilization endurance, then it goes into strength endurance, then it goes into high perch of e and then it goes into maximal strength, then it goes into power. The only way, the only way I think that they would, they would, they would, they would talk corrective. Is what we said, right, right. That's the only way I can imagine

that they would even recommend that because there, I mean, I mean, and that's through their squat assessment where they, yeah, they'll recommend certain corrective structures like you mentioned. That's, that's literally it. Yeah, they, they want stability, which is strength training.

They want to get your, your joints fortified so that way you can build on top of that. Next question is from Chilate. What correctional exercises would you recommend for clients with knocking knees? Knees. So if you're just a normal person listening to the podcast, you're interested in health and fitness

and you want kind of a general idea of how to correct poor form or movement in yourself, here's a good rule of thumb. It's not failed proof. This is not like 100% every time. A trainer is always able to do a better job of this with you. But if you're on your own, here's just kind of an easy way to figure out

how to correct a problem. Strengthen the opposite movement. Okay, so if your knees go together, then you could technically correct it by strengthening your knees going out. So like clam shells would be an exercise. Any kind of abduction, that's when you bring the leg out. So you could get a resistance band attached to your foot, leg swings, legs swings with no resistance. Like do the opposite of what the problem is, strength, and I should say the opposite, with good form, by the way, because sometimes you can fool yourself.

If your form is wrong, you may actually be making the problem worse. So with perfect form, and that's kind of an easy rule of thumb to follow to figure these things out. Now, if you want to take it a step further, then you could go higher a trainer that tends to be expensive, or if you want to kind of go in further, then you could go higher a trainer that tends to be expensive, or if you want to kind of go in between, then you could do like a like maps prime or prime pro where we take you through assessments and then you can kind of figure that out for yourself.

Yeah, I think that 100% what you said will at least help, right? It may not completely fix the root cause. That's the only thing, right? So knock knees, even strengthening the antagonist muscles like you're talking about right now with tube walking leg swings. This will for sure help that issue.

But if the root cause is related to the foot, which is what I would say that it is 80% of the time, you've got to work on that. So, a lot of time, this was when Dr. Brink like blew my mind, because just as a trainer, when I saw knee stuff, I almost always went to the hip. I don't know why, just wasn't taught well. All of us did. Nobody talked about the feet training. That was like in every certification. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when I met with him and he

just picked me to pieces and like in the first thing we started with was my feet, and he just picked me to pieces and the first thing we started with was my feet. And it just made so much sense to me too. Like when you think about what we do with our children and putting them in shoes right away, I mean, we train our kids to have weak ass feet. It's like, it's very, I'm serious. That's a t-shirt. Right, with W-A-F.

Yeah. No weak ass feet here. That's how I'm gonna get Max one that says that. That's actually a cool idea. I'm gonna give him a shirt. Picture the bottom of his foot. He's got like a six pack. No W we can ask feet here. So I'm gonna get Max one that says that. That's actually a cool idea. That's good. I'm gonna give him a shirt. Picture the bottom of his foot. He's got like a six pack.

No W-A-F, right? Yeah. It's true though. It really is. And it's actually talked on the show. This is a major focus for me with him is because we do. We throw him in shoes very early and then we stay in shoes our whole life. Like, we never really develop our feet ever.

Unless you're some kid that grew up on the farm and didn't have shoes and ran around the dirt and stuff like that, you probably have pretty developed feet. Everybody else, not so much. And so when you have an area like that that's ground that's responsible for connecting you to this earth and their weak, you know, they fold in, they roll out one tilt more than the other. And that's what we get here is you get a foot that you know Collapses inward, you know pronates in and that ends up knocking the knees and internally rotating the femur and it ends up causing

Knee pain hit pain even low back pain all because of this if we don't address it and Part of the fixing is definitely what Sal said and then the other part is most likely Related to foot stuff and then you need to dress up. And all this is in Maps Prime Pro. Yeah, and now you put both those techniques together and you know, you started addressing your workouts, you know, you're going for your barbell squats and things where you'll see this kind of come out once you start loading that.

You know, the helpful technique of priming ahead of time where you take some isometric components where I'm pushing my knee out and I'm holding for 15 seconds. I'm really connecting to that and I'm enhancing that stability and that that portion of, you know, what I want my leg to stabilize and control. And then I see that in my lift and prove. And so it's, you know, you put all this together and, you know, it's going to start really addressing this in the right direction. So it was such a great experience when we met with Brink because it was in our space, it's fitness. And it was something that that we were all completely ignorant to. We didn't even know that we didn't know. Okay. So it wasn't like, oh, I, you know, I know the fee, but, you know, there's some stuff I don't know. I didn't even know to look there. I'd never been taught, never did.

Everybody I ever trained wore shoes in the gym. Wasn't an issue. I looked at the hips, knees, elbows. You can see the wear and tear on their feet where they're holding the most pressure. It was so crazy because once you started, we started paying attention and understanding. I cannot unsee it now.

Now if I see someone in sandals or barefoot or even my own feet, I'm like, wow, they are so deformed because of our shoes and because we never walked barefoot. So it's one of those, it's so many things happen from the feet. Unfortunately, in the free webinar that I did, the Prime Pro one, I didn't address feet and wrists just because in our Prime Pro program, we address every major joint and it would just, it would have been way longer than an hour for me. Can't resume on your foot

Yeah, and I don't have I don't have you got the prettiest one. I don't know. I don't know I have a special toe so I don't know if I have the prettiest feet I think Doug has the prettiest feet out of all so yeah, you know I mean you have the ugliest with your hammer toes. Oh, yeah, they're does have you been looking at everybody's feet? Yeah, I see a Roy's feet. Come on. I'm the guy with paints his toe nails. Of course. I see everybody's Yeah, I see a really sweet, come on, I'm the guy with paint the stone nails, of course I see everybody's doing it. You know what I'm saying? But my point was that this is all in prime pro.

So when you talk about corrective exercises, when we, I mean, two of these questions are related to this, corrective exercises, setting your workout at priming, assessing, like, that's what those programs are all about, like it's everybody ideally should own those or have those in their library and utilize them as either a tool that they intermittently go back to and refer to whenever they have issues.

Are the bare minimum with prime and assessing yourself so that you can set every workout optimally for yourself. Next question is from Maul's Fit. What do you think about float therapy? You know, what an interesting experience I've've done it now, maybe four times. We did that one side. And we did it together. Yeah, not the same tub. Yeah, we were. The same tub.

Yeah, clarifying. What's touching me? Lier. It's so, okay, for people who don't know, float therapy, you lay in, you know, temperature, it's what is it? Body temperature, water. Salt water.

Highly, yeah, lots and lots of salt. So you literally float on top of it. You're inside of this cocoon or whatever. It's a pod, you close it down. There's no light, no sound, and you're floating. And essentially it reduces, or it's trying to eliminate all sensory that's coming into the brain. So you're just sitting there and floating.

It's an interesting experience. Yeah. It's definitely like meditation, it's very similar to meditation. When, for me, time flew, once I got settled, it was like weird that an hour passed by, it felt like only 10 minutes. Then when I came out, I felt like my CNS was reset.

In fact, I was a little sensitive. Yeah. I was a little sensitive to light. It sounds really loud. Yeah, like sounds were really loud. Yeah, I was a little sensitive. I was a little sensitive to light. It sounds really loud. Yeah, sounds were really loud. It was interesting, because it really does. Like, it takes out all those excess stimulus. You don't even realize you're taking in every day

and you're always worried about looking out to see if somebody's over here, over there. Like, you just shut all that down, at least for that period of time. But if it forces you, here's my opinion, if it's a great way for you to, and again, we talked about this at the beginning of the podcast, Biohacks, right?

The reason why I think this may be a valuable Biohack for people isn't necessarily cause the float tank is magic, but rather because it may be a way for people to shut off for an hour. Well, there's a reason why it's making a comeback. The shit's been around forever. Mm-hmm. It's been around since what the 60s and the 70s, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's been around forever. And it was not popular at all 10, 15 years ago. It's popular now because back to the intro to the show was that talking about tech, man, and how addicted everybody is to it and plugged in all the time. Just stimulated. Yeah, we are like over stimulated all day long. And so to take you and put you in pitch black dark, floating like suspending, feeling like

you're in space, like it feels, that's what it feels like, right? If you could feel like what it feels like to be like an anti-gravity, it almost feels like that where you're just floating out, you don't feel the edges of it. And with no sound, no light, no anything for an hour, when was the last time you did that? You don't even do that when you sleep at night. I guarantee everybody listening right now, in your bedroom you've got a couple red blinking lights

or green lights or your phone or a little bit of the light creaking in for the night. Plus there's a difference between being unconscious and quiet and being conscious and quiet. It's very different. So when you're in the float tank, you could fall asleep, but a lot of the time you're not, you're just consciously quiet,

which this is a practice. Everybody should do it one time. Yeah, I feel like it's training wheels for meditation. There's people out there like me that have a hard time blocking everything out, being conscious of your breathing and being able to control it. Obviously that's a practice

and you have to keep doing it constantly to get good at it. But I think this is like a tool. I could look at that as be like, oh, here's what it's supposed to feel like. And I got something out of it. Well, okay, so when I look at the time it takes to do the flow and the cost, in my opinion,

I think your better value is massage, I do. I think laying down quietly, having someone work on your body. Oh, those are awesome too. Human touch, a good therapist, I think will give you, unless you're somebody who doesn't like it, and there are people who don't like massage, in which case find you something else, but if you don't mind it, you like the touch,

you're quiet, you're not connected to your phone, stimulus is down, but the only stimulus you're getting is good stimulus from the quiet music and the person massaging you. I think that could be more valuable. That's an interesting argument. I think they're way different. Totally, but I mean, if you do one or the other,

which one do you think's more valuable? Yeah, I mean, I definitely think you, I think you should do both, at least at one time, to see what it does for you, right? Because I think both of those things can be like life-changing. If you've never had a good deep tissue massage by somebody who really knows what they're doing and you get one, it's like, holy shit,

I'm gonna try and find a way to put this in my budget every single month or every week if I can, because it's amazing. And the same thing goes for float. I mean, some people will experience, some will experience and be like, ah, whatever, other people will experience and be like, whoa. I've never been that deep into my thoughts in so long

and I think that part of it, I think is very valuable. So I think everybody should at least try it and go in with the timer. Yeah. Done talking. Yeah, it's what I mean, he's going. You know, it's a screw. Dude, dude, dude, dude.

Zelda, kiss off. Yeah. Kiss off, just do it. It's all I have to say about it. Go do it. So look, my pump is recorded on video and audio. If you like listening to us, imagine how you're gonna feel

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