Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1406: The Fat Burning Effect of Building Muscle, How to Get Better at Dips, Finding Your Perfect Squat Depth & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, the world's top ranked fitness health and entertainment podcast. We answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners and viewers just like you But the way we open the episode was with an introductory portion where we talk about current events our favorite shows on TV We talk about scientific studies today's episode that that intro portion was 44 minutes long after that We answered the fitness questions by the way You can go to my pump podcast calm and just skip to your favorite part. Everything is time stamped.

Starting point is 00:00:45 All right, let me give you a breakdown of today's episode. We open up by talking about a show on Netflix called Stay Here. Sounds really good. Adam and Justin are super into it. Then we talk about snoring at night. Thanks, honey, for waking me up four times because I snored last night. Then we talked about a new university online

Starting point is 00:01:04 for fans only people. So if you're trying to build a fan's only page, you can actually learn how to do it with the university. Make some money. That's right, make and pose. Which of course led us to talking about the sex talk we're gonna have with our kids soon.

Starting point is 00:01:17 Justin's son is right around that age and my daughter's right around that age. So the awkward conversation. We'll see how this goes. Is coming. Then I talked about how some of my friends on Facebook are posting things that make me a little concerned. It's this whole concept that people who disagree with you are not just wrong, but they're actually evil. This is a terrible, terrible way of thinking. So

Starting point is 00:01:39 we had a conversation around that. And that led us to talk about a recent podcast that we saw on YouTube with our friend Tom Billu. The podcast is called Impact Theory with Tom Billu. He's got some of the greatest guests we've seen anywhere, very inspirational, very motivational. The podcast we're talking about was with Voussi, Thembe Quayo, great, great podcast. You can find it on Tom Billu on YouTube.

Starting point is 00:02:04 Then Adam brought up blue light blocking glasses and the impact they have on a sleep. So we talked about our sponsor Felix Gray that makes blue light blocking glasses that look good and don't change the color of everything. And consistency is key. By the way, they are in partnership with the Brants Cancer Research Foundation,

Starting point is 00:02:21 meaning that it every time you buy something from them, they actually would give some money to the breast cancer research foundation. I believe the one product they have that will give that donation is the Robling Enros Quartz, that's the style of glasses. Anyway, if you go to Felix Gray Glasses.com, that's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com forward such a mind pump, you can check out all of their products. Then we talk about another one of our partners,

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Starting point is 00:03:55 The third question, this person says, look, you've talked before about how building muscle speeds up the metabolism, but recently I've seen some articles that say that's a bit of a myth, like what's the deal? So we try to clarify a little bit in that part of the episode. And then the final question, this person says, look, I've heard that calories in versus calories out is what's important for fat loss or fat gain. Then I've heard other people say, just eat healthy and then it doesn't matter how much you eat, you'll get leaner. What's the deal? So we break it down so you know what the truth is and not what the myth is. Also this month, two of our most

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Starting point is 00:05:39 And it's teacher time. Oh shit, you know it's my favorite time of the week. Oh yes it is. We have two winners. One for Apple Podcasts, one for Facebook. The Apple Podcast winner is Indie Row and for Facebook we have Susan Smith. Both of you are winners and the name I just read

Starting point is 00:05:58 to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Did everybody get bad sleep last night? Is it just me? I feel like everybody. I got bad sleep.

Starting point is 00:06:11 You did too, huh? I don't know. I was bad too. Yeah, dude. This is like my fourth cup. You know, like a whole load to do. I mean, not Nitro, but it's definitely number three for Nitro. You know, wow.

Starting point is 00:06:24 That's heavy. It's heavy hands morning. What was the first one, just at home? Yeah, the brew, the brew, yeah. The drive over here, right? Yeah, it's true. So do you, okay, do you have a cup at home and then for the,

Starting point is 00:06:35 because you have a long drive here. Do you drink on the way? Yeah, drink on the way. Yeah, it's in the thermos. So, yeah, I'm a professional. Oh, I don't suggest this to your average. That's weird. All of us got bad sleep last night. All of us, dude. yeah, I'm a professional. Oh, I don't suggest this to your average. That's weird. That's weird.

Starting point is 00:06:46 All of us got bad sleep last night. All of us, dude. Oh, wow. Maybe we were all dreaming together. Well, that's not my experience. We were all visiting each other. I mean, you guys were in my dream. In dream.

Starting point is 00:06:55 Were we? No. Oh, I got hooked on that stupid show that Justin had mentioned on the... Right. Which one? I don't know how far you are, but I've gone through like, I don't know, eight of those things.

Starting point is 00:07:05 I was gonna keep going, I've only gotten through four of them. It's cool, I'm excited to see you. Okay, so, do you remember, okay, five years ago when we first started this podcast, right, when nobody was really listening? I remember those days. Yeah, so I had to point out these things. I was, I talked a lot about Airbnb and VRBO.

Starting point is 00:07:22 Like I just, I've always been very fascinated with the business model and that show is so great for it because they break and I love stuff like this that they break the numbers down. So they'll go in an area, for example, I was looking at Passa Robloos. I know you're heading down that direction. I'm going in pretty soon.

Starting point is 00:07:39 And they're finding a property there. And they have the data for last year, pass a robloose made $200 million, totally, it's not that number, but I'm just for arguments sake, right? So they made $20 million in the last year in VRBO rentals and there's a total of, why don't you show who's killing it?

Starting point is 00:08:01 Yeah, they show 170 do properties there that are in that are, what was that? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,, so anyways, it breaks down, there's 100-something properties, the average, I mean, everything, and then they go in, it's this famous designer, and I forget what he's famous for, but he's like the business, it's the marketing guy. The business in marketing, and then she's a designer. They go into these places, they find somebody,

Starting point is 00:08:41 and then they flip the property, and just by designing and deferring a whole new experience with it, I think it's interesting because we, I mean, ourselves as this company, we have stayed in a bunch of, you know, Airbnb's or VBO's, VRBO's. I don't know why I always say like, like, flip that.

Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah, I always do that. But, you know, you know, the difference between the quality of like, this one feels like a hotel, like they really were thoughtful in the way that they displayed things, like, you know, they were really considerate at, you know, for the person that's staying there as opposed to the person that like owns it.

Starting point is 00:09:18 What's the name of the show? What? Stay here. Stay here. So what was fascinating about it was, that was just it. So, you know, I've been, even before this business, you know, Katrina and I have been using, since we've been dating for over 10 years now, right? So we've been using Airbnb, VRBO for a very long time. And then I've watched the evolution of it. When it first started, it was 100% people's second or

Starting point is 00:09:43 third homes. Yeah. And they just, hey, I'm not using it in the summer time, as well, run it out, make little signatures of them. Yeah, they're closer in the closet. That is the norm. And it's still, it still has a little bit of that left. But I've watched it transition from that to purely a business. It's competitive.

Starting point is 00:09:59 Yeah, now it's competitive with hotels. Yeah, well, not just that, they have to compete with each other, right? So this are Airbnb. What the hell am I doing here? The VRVS. Yeah, I screwed you up. Airbnb, you did.

Starting point is 00:10:10 You know, you got two houses to pick from. You wanna go on the one that's got a cleaner feel, more professional that provides you. How about that Austin place? Yeah. Oh man. I was like, wow, I did an awesome job of that. It's amazing.

Starting point is 00:10:21 I mean, of course, they're professionals at what they do, right? So what do they do? They go in and they set these houses up. They literally do this. So they go in and they gut the house. So they'll take a, he's referring to the Austin House. The Austin House was this little two,

Starting point is 00:10:36 three bedroom cottage in Austin, Texas, which is a hot area for people to be traveling to and staying in Airbnb's. It has a pool in the backyard, a little pool house, and it was very basic. And it was nice. It was pretty nice, but it's nice. Just the way they laid the house out by giving it more kitchen space and then changing the color in the water in the barbecue.

Starting point is 00:10:58 So the idea is to, yeah, the back of that pool house, they actually did like a mural. So it really felt like Austin, because instead of it feeling like a home, they made it feel like an experience. So the show, they go in, they get a house, and then the idea is to remake it and make it profitable. So they even do this. So before they go in, which I love about the show

Starting point is 00:11:24 is they share all the numbers, right? So they'll find somebody so that before they go in, which I would love about the show is they share all the numbers, right? So they'll find somebody like the Austin guy. And again, I'm just gonna throw out numbers of the audience understands how the show works. He has a 25% occupancy rate, which equals, that means, you know, 20% of 30 days in a month is about what eight or so or one or nine. I see. Right.

Starting point is 00:11:42 What, however many days, eight or 12 days a month. So they show before, this is how much you were making. How much you was making after this is on. Yes, right? Oh, I see. And then they go in and the thing that I really enjoy watching it is their thought on like, it's not just like, of course making the house nicer is one thing, but it's like why people going there and then gearing the whole house around that experience because most people that

Starting point is 00:12:04 are coming into Austin, they want to know where the best barbecue places are and where the best places to go downtown for a drink is and you know, the things you can do on the water and all the stuff like they want the memory. So you watch this show like super late. Is that why you didn't get good? Oh, yes. So it was on your mind. Okay.

Starting point is 00:12:21 So dreaming of remaking house. No, it is. So last night Katrina goes to the night, Katrina goes to bed. Because the note, Katrina goes to bed. I know, I've totally, that's how I am. So, Katrina goes to bed early. I thought she was sleeping and I stayed down and I get, I like these shows, she's less into the shows like this.

Starting point is 00:12:38 So this is my opportunity, like to binge watch, because she went to bed early, like 8.30. So I'm like, I'm watch, like 3, 4, 5 of these things in a row. And so my mind's like swirly. And the reason why it's going a lot right now is, and we talk off air. We don't share this in the air very often, but, you know, we all live in California. We all just in own since house. But the other three of us, we rent, you know, and we talk all the time about like, I don't know if I'm ever gonna buy a house in California and I wrestle with this every day. Like, should we buy here or should we do investment properties

Starting point is 00:13:11 and like, and so that's something that we talk of Katrina and I go back and forth and she's very, she's like, she trust me, like, you know, whatever you think is best for the family, like, I'm game for whatever you wanna do. And I am, I'm just, I'm really hesitant to go out and go buy this, you know, because even a, you know, a little bit above average house in the Bay Area is, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:33 multiple million dollars. Yeah, people don't understand if you don't live around here, you don't know how crazy it's insane. Yeah, it's literally insane. And so do the math on that a little bit, okay? So that you're talking about 20% down on that, you're looking at four to $500,000, four to $500,000 in Austin,

Starting point is 00:13:48 Pasaroblos, all these areas that I'm watching this. I mean, you could take 80 to 100 grand down on these things with 25% down on these properties, flip them into vacation homes and it become cash flow. No, this is a good topic because it's, it's having your money make money for you. This is what smart investors understand. And one of the challenges that,

Starting point is 00:14:11 because I run to the same exact thing you do, Adam, and here's the challenge. The challenge is I was raised with this narrative. Yes. Because remember, my parents are, that owning your home is like the American dream or buying a home I should say. Yeah, buying a home is American.

Starting point is 00:14:26 Yes, you have to buy a house that's very important. It's bet you know my parents remember the poor immigrants so they come to this country. When they came to San Jose it was very different in the Bay Area. It was very much less expensive. We still had Silicon Valley back then, but it was in its infancy. So the price, I mean my parents paid $130,000,

Starting point is 00:14:42 something like that for their house, which now is probably 1.4 million. And by the way, it's a very average home. So people think, oh, 1.4 million, it's a man. No, it's a very average home. But the narrative is you buy a house, and then you eventually pay it off. You don't have to pay a mortgage anymore, and that's very important. But it doesn't make sense when you could take that same money,

Starting point is 00:15:05 because like you said, Adam, you buy a house here, an average home, you're putting anywhere between two to three hundred thousand or more dollars down, you've tied up a lot of your assets or tied up into one investment, and you're not making money off of it because you live there. It's very different. Well, not to mention that. There's also other things, right? And this is where California is different than the other parts of the country.

Starting point is 00:15:25 So, it depends on who's listening to this and where you're at. There's what's called like a 20X rule that I think is a really good rule to look at when you're thinking about potentially purchasing a house that you might live in. And that is that the rent should not be 20, if it's more than, like, so you calculate for a year.

Starting point is 00:15:41 How much can you get for rent for rent? Yeah, I'm buying this house, but what if I were to rent it, how much could I get for a year. How much can you get for rent for rent? For rent, yeah. I'm buying this house, but what if I were to rent it, how much could I get for a year? And if it is under the 20X, the 20X rule, then the house is grossly inflated. So in other words, if you could rent your house,

Starting point is 00:15:57 but it doesn't even come close to covering your mortgage, you're basically banking on the fact that the house is a- It's a bad investment. That's going to appreciate in value, which, you know, okay, that's kind of a risky bet. And not only that, but the fact that the house is a bad investment. That's going to appreciate and value, which, you know, okay, that's kind of a risky bet. And not only that, but you live in the house, and when you live in the house, it's not an investment.

Starting point is 00:16:12 I mean, that's something you live in. If your investment goes bad, you're out of a house, versus if you invest somewhere else, then you can play a little bit more. Yeah, well, that, you know, my CVA really helped me look at this different. Like, I too, like you saw, like I grew up, that was the greatest accomplishment was buying my house. To this day, I still remember that moment for me was like, oh my God, I made it in life.

Starting point is 00:16:36 But at that time, I didn't really understand the importance of having money working for me versus being caught up in this. Oh, I've proved it. I've made it. I bought my own house because of how much it could tie up. I mean, you take a house like that. Okay. And this is like that you tie up to put a down payment on a place that's over a

Starting point is 00:16:57 million dollars. You're talking about a quarter million to half a million dollars that you have to tie up to stuck in that one investment. And then in addition to that, if you decide in three to five years that you've either outgrown the house or you want to relocate and move, you're forced to sell because the house can't rent for even close to what the mortgage is because you would be losing a thousand, two thousand plus dollars.

Starting point is 00:17:20 First versus renting that house, that same house. So now, yeah, you are renting, but you still have the lump of your money in the bank. You could take that same $300,000 and potentially buy three properties with down payments in the US and much better markets. They're all gonna make you more in rent than your mortgage. This is how you create wealth.

Starting point is 00:17:44 I think a lot of people, it's a pretty black and white way to create wealth when you talk to people who've actually built it themselves. And it's like step one is get rid of debt, save money, and then step the next step is make your money, make money for you because if you count on becoming wealthy off of your income with your job, good luck. That's going to gonna be very difficult way to do it Most people it's so hard to get I was I had this so my niece just bought a really cute little place over In the app toss area down most of fucking million dollars, and I mean it has no garage. It's like 911 hard square feet. I guess you know, I'm saying like it. It's old as fuck right, but it's it's cute

Starting point is 00:18:21 And it's in a great location. She's like less than five minutes from the beach, like it's like right there off the freeway. And, you know, I was trying to explain, but you know, she's at that place in her life where she can, she can buy it. She's saved up really good. She's got a great job. She can afford to live there. And you just, it's so hard to get that. And I'm sure I would have been the same way at the same point in my life. I'm like, like, no, this is like, we are taught that buying your house is like one of the greatest accomplishments that you can ever make. It depends where you buy,

Starting point is 00:18:52 because it could also be a terrible investment. Obviously, I think 2008 taught a lot of people that. And you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the- Or what you get for your house, too. Yes, it's factored. And it reminds me of the narrative that you have to get a four year degree.

Starting point is 00:19:05 You have to go to college in order to become successful. As a result, you have people going to college for degrees that don't pay off. And they're stuck with $100,000 with a debt. It's not a good investment. But because that narrative is hammered into your head, no, this is the way to do it. This is the only way to do it. They end up screen themselves in the future. So you have to kind of look at the narrative and be like, does this still apply?

Starting point is 00:19:26 Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I don't know, I think some people still, I mean, to be like devil's advocate on some level, like to not answer to anybody is definitely something that's appealing in terms of not, you know, having to then, you know, all your, if you're renting out all of your places and you're, you're self-renting, now you're under somebody else's, you know, rules and regulations and all those types of things, which is something you have to like, relieve. But if you're thinking long term, again, this is short term thinking versus long term thinking.

Starting point is 00:19:56 Yeah, but you know what's funny about that? Because I know, I'm like that too. I just don't like answering anybody. Me too, I hate it. I hate it. I don't like, you know, working for anybody. I'm, I'm an entrepreneur, I don't like working for anybody. I'm an entrepreneur. I don't like telling people to, but that's a little bit of a false narrative too because you

Starting point is 00:20:10 pay property taxes on your answering. You pay off your house. You gotta pay something. Especially here. And again, it depends where you're living to. If you can afford a house outright and it's something that you can easily pay off, that might be something that then you can venture out and get more into investment.

Starting point is 00:20:30 But again, it's to each there also. As you can imagine, this conversation is what kept me up last year. So you were a full nightclub. Yeah, so I come into bed thinking that she's asleep and she's not, she's still awake, and then she's like, what are you doing? And then I tell her, I'm watching this.

Starting point is 00:20:44 And then I tell her, like, I really like this idea of maybe messing around in the Airbnb, VRBO market or like that. And she's like, oh, that's what we're doing now. Like, it's good. Because I listen to how we've moved over here. Yeah, yeah, because literally, she's gotten onto me a few times.

Starting point is 00:20:59 She's like, literally, you just said, this is what we're gonna do. Jessica says my mind every day. Jessica says the same thing to me. She goes, you get me excited about this thing. Yeah, yeah. You change your mind. Now you say we gotta save then.

Starting point is 00:21:08 You say we get invest. I start telling myself like, I'm not gonna save. We just think out loud. That's our problem. That is. The reason why I didn't sleep totally different. So the reason why I didn't sleep is because my wife told me several times

Starting point is 00:21:18 last night that I was snoring. So that she woke me up. She does. She does. She does. No, she does this thing. You're snoring real loud. No, no, no, no. Yeah, she does. No, she does this thing. You're snoring, real loud. You know what I'm like, oh shit.

Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm terrible. I'm terrible. So we're now we're both not sleeping. I brought the, we were just talking about this. Katrina, I literally were talking about this last week about snoring because I don't know if you brought this up or someone brought it up, it started the conversation and I was asking her, I'm like, you know, I know there's been

Starting point is 00:21:41 nights where I'm like, if I'm really exhausted, really bad allergies or I'm sick, I know for sure that I snore, where I'm, if I'm really exhausted, really bad allergies or I'm sick, I know for sure that I snore, other than that I don't really snore. So I've asked her like, you know, you don't really say much to me. Like, do I, have I snored a lot and you just don't tell me? She's like, no, absolutely not.

Starting point is 00:21:54 She goes, you, hardly ever. If you shouldn't, she goes, if you're sick or you had a really long day, she goes, so maybe, you know, one out of 10 times, you know, like you have a night, she goes, and I, I always wake you up and tell you. And I was like, I thought about it, and I'm like, okay, so I can recall all those moments

Starting point is 00:22:11 because nothing's worse than being woken up at two o'clock in the morning, and shook him by your wife telling you. Because when you're snoring, you're sleeping. Yeah, you're deep, so you're like startled. I wake up angry because that's the thing. I know, and I feel bad too, because obviously, you're not sleeping, so tell me so I can change my position

Starting point is 00:22:25 But in the moment, I'm like, yeah, well, you know, I I flipped it over It's reaction she's like well, and then she asked me she goes well have I ever said yeah, no, do you have definitely snored? Not a lot probably just like what you're saying me and she goes really and I'm like yeah She goes, I can be never seen to you. I said well, I imagine because you don't snore very often if you're snoring I think that man, she must be really tired. I don't want to disrupt that. You're so much better. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:48 She instantly builds hallowed guilty right after that. Yeah. She's like, oh man, she goes, now I feel so terrible. I'm like, well, yeah, I assume that you wake me up because you're irritated and I'm due to all the time, but you're talking about it. You know, but I try to be self-aware and think about you and I know that you need to sleep

Starting point is 00:23:04 because you have important things to do next day. That's exactly what I said. I want you to rest. That's all there. Well speaking of making money and education and stuff, there's so, you know, markets change all the time very quickly and especially now, it's such a dynamic market, especially with technology,

Starting point is 00:23:20 there's a university, you're ready for this, that teaches people how to build a fan's only page business. So there is. No, there is not. Yes, there is. Well, why wouldn't there be? It's a cash machine.

Starting point is 00:23:31 It's an actual, it's an actual business, and I'm going to read about it's free, by the way. I'm not, it sounds like I'm promoting it. Everybody go to the play. Yeah. It says in there each course of study. New sponsor. I know, I know. Each course of study consists of a series of video classes and live stream special courses

Starting point is 00:23:47 that will provide in-depth information about running a successful influencer business. It's about fans only. You and the yoga try these news. So literally it's a university, an online university that teaches men and women how to make money with these online, you know, fans and women. Have you found anything? I'm very curious on the money that's being made.

Starting point is 00:24:10 Like, we've talked about this so many times now, but I haven't read an article that like breaks down about how many millions of, I mean, I know it's millions on millions because just that one Disney actress that we talked about, she made two million in a day. Yeah. And the fans only think so, you gotta think that there's,

Starting point is 00:24:27 I'll remember seeing as like, as this bar stool interview and they're interviewing one of the girls that was on fans only, and she makes like 40,000 a month just from her own little audience. It's not even that many. Yeah, so here's the quote from one person. I logged online the first time in October 2011

Starting point is 00:24:44 an apartment with no furniture, and I promised myself I wouldn't log off until I made enough money to cover my first rent payment. I made over $7,000 in my first two weeks in the industry and had no plans on looking back. You know, here's the thing about the, look, if you're making money, you're doing it legal and people want to pay,

Starting point is 00:24:59 I mean, that's all up to you. I'm totally for it. It's America. That's fine, that's your own thing. But I will say this, you have a short window. Think about this because you got to be smart, right? It's like if you're a professional athlete, especially if you play like football, Proof, you know you get signed to the NFL, your life, your experience or how long you're going to last.

Starting point is 00:25:19 In the NFL is a short window, make that money invested. Don't get excited. Oh, I make 40 grand a month. Or you just keep going more niche, get excited. Oh, I make 40 grand a month or you just keep going more niche, more niche. Yeah. Grandma only. That's true.

Starting point is 00:25:30 You can just keep going. Let's get out of this. Just as like you got a pivot. Yeah, you just got to get a new demographic. You're in the milk, the milk category now. Change your marketing a little. Better in the Grammy category. I mean, honestly, think about it.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Like if you, it's, I don't know, again, I think this time that we, when I hear so much of this messaging around how much we hate America and it's so bad and it's so hard and so awful, it's like, I mean, if it was that tough, you could always do an only fan page. You know what I mean? I mean, if it was right evidence, it's always a button available.

Starting point is 00:26:00 I mean, it's not, it's not driving. I mean, fans only put them together at the same time's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving.

Starting point is 00:26:11 It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving.

Starting point is 00:26:19 It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. It's not driving, it's not driving. You're in front of a way less money.

Starting point is 00:26:25 You're not making, you're not making no $7,000. The potential for harassment increases that. Yeah. Or you're a sex worker in which case that's even worse, right? This, at least you're in front of the camera and they can't really do anything to you. They can't hurt you. But it lives forever. But it, oh yeah, that's not a bad.

Starting point is 00:26:40 That's it. I didn't even think of that. It lives forever. Yeah, that would be terrible. Yeah. Hey mom, my friend showed me this video. Your kids are going to watch it. That's it. I didn't even think of that. It lives forever. Yeah, that would be terrible. Yeah. Hey mom, my friend showed me this video. Your kids are gonna watch it. That's what's gonna be interesting to me is,

Starting point is 00:26:50 you know, fast forward 20 years from now, all of us though, I mean, me included, like things that I've put out there that I've said or you've got photos or whatever that are floating around, like, God damn, I got a couple out there. I'm sure. Yeah, what about, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:27:02 I don't know if I'm eating the ether. I mean, you know how like parents talk, like the big, the hard talk is like the sex talk with your kids or what like that. That's like, that's gonna be the new hard talk is gonna be like explaining yourself for the shit that's out on the internet. I actually think about that.

Starting point is 00:27:16 Yeah, so I'm at that pivotal point now too, where, you know, with my oldest, he's like, he's sex talk's coming, right? It's coming, it's this year and like, so you can either opt out of sex education or you can do their curriculum or you can do it yourself. And so we decide to opt out and do it ourselves and do, you know, something educating ourselves.

Starting point is 00:27:36 So, but like, we've been waiting for him to ask more questions about it and it's coming up because of all the movies and references and things he's picking up on all the stuff. So I got my work cut out for me and it's like literally like tonight is one of my first presentations. So I'm like, oh really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Okay. Wait, I'm not like super nervous. So where are you? Where do you research this stuff? I mean, what's a porn hub? That's your gig, dude. I start with anatomy. Yeah. I mean, what's a report on that? That's an ad-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d some advice because I think I did this really well with my son. Please do. It's to be as honest as possible.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Yes. Use anatomically correct terms. So don't use like, say penis, vagina, you know, don't use puppets. Don't yeah, don't use like, you know, like your weener or whatever. Right. Because otherwise you end up making them feel weird. So use yourself as an example. I'm not going to do what I do in the podcast you guys are right.

Starting point is 00:28:43 I don't worry about it. One day you're're gonna look like this Be straight forward on it and and and and also make it feel so it's not shameful So I had this conversation my son obviously when he was in fifth grade and I covered everything I covered masturbation I covered obviously when he was in fifth grade, and I covered everything. I covered masturbation, I covered pornography, I talked about sex, this is what happens during sex,

Starting point is 00:29:07 and then kids at that age, they're very innocent, and so he was asking me like, well why would you wanna do that? I remember, that was a big question. I thought, what would you want to do? I was like, this is how sex happens, and I said the sperm cells meet the egg cells, and this is how the sperm cells get to the egg cell.

Starting point is 00:29:21 So I talked about sex and I explained it to him, and the look on his face, first he goes, how how are you going to get it in there I'm like oh actually you're you become a wrecked and this is what that looks like and then he goes why would you want to and I said well I said you said magical rainbows it's a tough job son like a metal detector. You really want to swing there.

Starting point is 00:29:47 You want kids bad enough, you'll do it. No, I said, I said, you're gonna want to, and you're gonna really enjoy it. And so much so that it's gonna drive your thoughts. Then I talked about pornography and sex, but now I got a daughter, and not that she's a girl, that doesn't necessarily make it more difficult, because I don't care, I'll just be very straight with her. It's that she's a girl. That doesn't necessarily make it more difficult because I don't care.

Starting point is 00:30:05 I'll just be very straight with her. It's that she's way more naive than my son. Like way more naive. Like I told you, we talked about, because Jessica's pregnant. We talked about babies and she's like, so how do they get the baby out? And do you pray and God just puts the baby inside your belly?

Starting point is 00:30:20 I'm like, oh my gosh. Way more naive than my son. I know, when is like the, is it an age? Is it as a parent? As a parent, do you wait until you think your kids already kind of asking questions or searching on his own? When they ask questions, be honest,

Starting point is 00:30:38 and only answer the question. There's no need to go further. That's number one. And then number two, yeah, there's a certain age because especially for girls, my daughter's turning 11, girls go through puberty earlier than boys do. So if you don't talk about this before it happens, that's a terrible way to introduce, you know, this conversation. You want them here from their friends. That's it. Friends have terrible ideas. I've always thought it was interesting that we choose to do, like, it's fifth grade, right?

Starting point is 00:31:00 Isn't that one? Yeah. It is. Like, because I feel like that is good for girls, but I feel like that's early for most boys. Yeah. Don't you? Yeah, but at least starting a conversation is pre-healthy. Yes, and yeah, you're right, because girls do go through puberty before boys do. But I feel like because they're hanging around

Starting point is 00:31:17 with girls in school, you probably want to, you can't tell one side and not the other side. Otherwise they're going to find out from the girls. It's going to be like, what are you guys talking about? Nobody taught us that. So it's important stuff. It's a good advice. I definitely wanna be as open and honest,

Starting point is 00:31:33 and we've told him that the whole time, is just like, if you have any questions, like we're here and we're willing to explain whatever is on your mind. I remember two of my sons, and he does the calculations right, and he goes, oh, so you and mom have had sex twice. Because, you know, we have him and his sister.

Starting point is 00:31:50 So like, yeah, twice. Yeah, two times. I'm like, no, I don't remember. Like, no, actually, you do it a lot more than that. There's a lot more racist. You gotta practice. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot more reasons.

Starting point is 00:32:00 I don't know why I so want to hear Justin have this conversation because the way you tell stories, I so want to hear Justin have this conversation because the way you tell stories I just want to be entertaining. I gotta make sure he's listening. Now it's like a ramp and a water. Get really wet first. That's true. Anyway, dude, I wanted to bring something up on the podcast. I don't want to go to too much of a serious note,

Starting point is 00:32:26 but I did want to bring this up because I'm seeing a lot more of this happen with people that I've known for a long time. You know, I have obviously I'm on Facebook, but I have a private Facebook page, just for friends and family. I don't do anything business-wise with it. I don't do anything public.

Starting point is 00:32:40 It's, you know, I have lots of pictures of my family on there stuff like that. And the people that I'm friends with are people that I've known for a very long time, and people that I don't mind being in my, you know, seeing my private pictures of like my kids and stuff like that. And I'm seeing more and more of these kinds of posts,

Starting point is 00:32:56 which are a little alarming to me. And they, they, they sound something like this. Like, if you support candidate X, then unfriend me right now. If you support Trump or Biden or whatever, then just unfriend me. We don't need to be friends ever again. Kind of a thing like a total shut off of,

Starting point is 00:33:14 you know, like, we don't even want to discuss any, like, opinion that's otherwise. Like, you're just a bad person or whatever, and this is evil. This is crazy to me. Like, the conversation has changed from, you have the wrong ideas. And so let's debate over them and argue over

Starting point is 00:33:31 whose idea is the best to you're an evil person. You're not, it's not your idea. You're just an evil person. This is dangerous because when you're confronted with evil, if you really believe someone or something is evil, there is no negotiating, there is no debating, there is no democracy. What you wanna do is you wanna punch them,

Starting point is 00:33:49 you wanna kill them, you wanna silence them, and if they do win an election, and their ideas get put forth, there are evil ideas, in which case, by all means necessary, should we stamp that out, very, very dangerous, and you know, idea. It's a very, very dangerous precedent, and I think we need to combat that

Starting point is 00:34:08 because the reality is, and this is the truth, okay? Half the country, whatever other half from you is, half the country is not evil. If half the country was evil, organized society, as we know it, would not exist. It just wouldn't work. There's no way. Most people are good. It just wouldn't work. There's no way. Most people are good.

Starting point is 00:34:26 They just have, and we all want similar things. We just have different ideas of the best way to get there, that's all. It's not only that, we can't have progress that way. It's impossible. You're stuck in emotion. God, I was, we watched this interview that Tom Bill you did.

Starting point is 00:34:40 I tell you what, man, I was talking to Tom the other day. Oh, you're talking about what's his name? VUC VU's SI I can't pronounce his last name. Yeah, oh, VUC them bec whale them bec whale What an incredible South Africa maybe that maybe the best interview that I've had or I've seen Tom do I love it. Yeah, I've been doing down the rabbit hole them because we were talking to him a couple weeks ago And you know anytime I talked to him. I go you know, let me see what he's up to I know we're all very busy and we're all kind of doing our own thing and that guy again like because we were talking to him a couple of weeks ago, and anytime I talked to him, and I go, you know what, let me see what he's up to. I know we're all very busy,

Starting point is 00:35:06 and we're all kind of doing our own thing. And that guy, again, like, puts out more content than we do, which you guys know what it takes for all of us to put out the content we do. And he's got so much good stuff. It's hard sometimes to sift through some of this stuff, and came across this interview. And this interview, in my opinion, is, first of all,

Starting point is 00:35:27 everybody should listen to this, especially in the time that we're at right now. I wish it was on major media, like everybody had exposure to this conversation. It's so perfect for the context of today. The message that Voussi was communicating, I mean, here's a guy who grew up in South Africa, very difficult times.

Starting point is 00:35:48 A partied was a real thing as a kid. Watched his father get gunned down. Today, he is one of the top public speakers in the world. He's worth half a billion dollars, is a CEO of a venture capital company. And when you hear him communicate, he's just his mindset and the, and you really understand why he is successful

Starting point is 00:36:12 as successful as he is. And that particular interview was phenomenal. Tom, it was such a powerful interview. Yeah, and Tom crushed it, dude. It was such a great conversation. So, I mean, if you guys have not gone over to impact theory already, I mean, we've taught, we've been singing Tom's praises since day one,

Starting point is 00:36:29 since he's been on here, he's a good friend of ours, love the guy as a person, and then what he's creating as a business is just, it's amazing what he's doing. Yeah, and if you really want inspiration, motivation, if you want to change your paradigm, which I think is really important, because it's so easy to get stuck. And you know, Vussy talks about this in the interview. It's easy to get stuck in this

Starting point is 00:36:51 identity you know, veneer, this this this filter that every that you see everything through and when you're in that everybody's telling you. That's it. And when you get in that, whatever you believe is true, right? So if you think that you're not gonna succeed or you think that you've got all these things against you and it's impossible to even try, that's what's what becomes true. It's totally true.

Starting point is 00:37:14 And so his podcast in general is a great place to go to challenge your own belief system and especially challenge the way you view yourself. I think that's one of the most important things you could do. One of the reasons why I love fitness so much, one of the reasons why I love fitness so much is when you train clients for a long period of time, you start to get good at it, you start to figure out ways to help people achieve the

Starting point is 00:37:37 almost impossible as evidenced by the, by the actual data, right, the data shows that 80 plus percent of people who try to lose weight, who try to get in shape, will fail and they will fail repeatedly. So it's a very, very difficult thing, okay? We can't get around that. So when you work with people for a long time, you start to figure out how to get that failure rate

Starting point is 00:37:57 from 80% down to 50% then down to whatever percent. And then you start to get success rates of 90% plus. And you know what it revolves around? You definitely need to know what you're doing, and you do know exercise. It's all mindset. It's so crazy. It's all around mindset.

Starting point is 00:38:13 And people who are stuck in that bad relationship with food mindset, they're stuck in that exercise hurts and sucks because it's difficult mindset in there. Or they're stuck on the, I just want the goal and the result, the journey sucks the whole time. Is that crazy? Like how much are jobs as trainers, like you've all been changed over your course of your career?

Starting point is 00:38:31 I like to. The beginning was all about breaking down macros and program design and teaching exercise and biomechanics and knowing what's the latest study and research that's coming up. You know what you're talking about. Yeah, like the whole thing was always centered on that. And even the questions that you get,

Starting point is 00:38:47 so it's hard, it just perpetuates that, right? So that's the story, it's the identity that we were being told. So getting out of that framework and going like, none of this stuff, and I remember having that epiphany as a trainer, is like, none of this stuff is really helping a majority of my clients. Sure, there's a few people that were self-motivated, motivated already on the right path. I plugged in the numbers for them or I gave them a few things my clients. Sure, there's a few people that were self-motivated,

Starting point is 00:39:05 already on the right path. I plugged in the numbers for them or I gave them a few things and they were successful, but that number was like, less than 20%. It's like 10% of the people are like that. The other ones were wanting all that information or thinking that's the information that they wanted, but really they had to reframe their mindset

Starting point is 00:39:21 to ever even get to that point. You so I ended up spending 90 plus percent of my time speaking to that, then ever breaking down macros and progress. I just love how Tom finds these guests. You know, he just, you, again, I think this is a big problem with media in general is just like what's perpetuated out there and who's out there that people are looking up

Starting point is 00:39:41 to in terms of success. And I think like we need more conversations like this. We need more examples of people that I didn't even know who this guy was and I'm so impressed and so just like taken back at what he's accomplished. Well, I think the reason has to do, and Tom will say this himself, is look at who he grew up. For all intents and purposes, statistically speaking, he should not have become as successful as he became because of way he grew up. For all intents and purposes, statistically speaking,

Starting point is 00:40:05 he should not have become as successful as he became because of way you grew up. It reminds me of Adam's story. Statistically, Adam should not be successful. You probably should be a drug addict or your suicide rate should be high because of the way you grew up. And what was the difference?

Starting point is 00:40:20 What was the difference? It wasn't your circumstances. The way you grew up was the way you grew up. It was the mindset and fitness is great because we can apply it to something. So black and white, it's easy to convince someone to change their mindset around fitness. I should say easier than it is to change

Starting point is 00:40:34 their mindset around life in general, but it's a great entry point. And so that's why I think Tom finds those types of guests and why it's such a great show to listen to if you're into self-awareness and personal growth and all those things. And here's a tip that I learned a long time ago that I really benefited me is that, you know, we understand how evolution works. We understand how biology or evolution of biology works, right? Certain traits that are advantageous continue to get passed on.

Starting point is 00:41:07 Ones that are not advantageous tend to die out and that's how we evolve and change biology. But we forget that ideas also have to go through that process. And so good ideas that work tend to stick around. So if you want to change your paradigm or really understand how to make yourself successful, look at the ancient practices. Look at the religion is one of them. You could look at spiritual practices. You could look at philosophy.

Starting point is 00:41:32 Marshal arts is wonderful, because many martial arts are very, very old. They've been around a long time. Look at those philosophies. They didn't exist because they didn't work. They exist because they worked and they can apply to most people. Yeah, you know, we were talking about how all of us didn't get, they exist because they worked, and they can apply to most people. Yeah, you know, we were talking about how all of us

Starting point is 00:41:47 didn't get very good sleep and stuff, and one of the things that I also connected, which is, and I didn't bring it up, I didn't even realize that Felix Gray was a commercial today, and one of the things I did not do was I came into bed, I'm talking to Katrina, and then also we got on this house conversation kick, and then we're both like looking on our phones

Starting point is 00:42:04 in different places. That'll kill you. And I didn't grab my Felix Graze and it's already like 10 o'clock at night and I swear, staring at that blue screen, especially now that I've been so consistent with wearing them and I'm so good about it that the few time, now I know,

Starting point is 00:42:18 like that's where I can really tell. It's like once you've been really consistent and I feel like this is any practice, right? With nutrition or exercise or anything you do, it's like you gotta be consistent with it first, and then it's the removing it, and then, I see the contrast. Yes, and see the contrast to really evaluate

Starting point is 00:42:33 how beneficial, because if you give someone a pair of blue blocker glasses and say, hey, these will change your sleep forever, they do it one time, and they're like, I don't know, maybe it did, maybe it did. It's kind of the same. Yeah, I don't know, I don't really feel anything different. It's kind of the same. Yeah, I don't know, I didn't really feel anything different. It's like, okay, do this consistently, okay, for a while,

Starting point is 00:42:49 then remove it out and then pay attention to the contrast. That's when you can really tell. Well, here's your evidence. You ever wake up in the middle of the night to go pee? Okay, most of us have, right? Do you wake up in the middle of the night and turn all the lights on real bright to go pee? Or do you subconsciously know?

Starting point is 00:43:03 Of course, you just, that's me. Keep the lights on. That's really, I can't stand. Oh my gosh. She just turns all the lights on. I walk with my eyes closed, bro. Me too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:10 I can't have any lights on. Now Jessica feels her way through the room and so I gotta be careful. I leave on the floor. It's happened before where I hear in the middle of that ocean. It's a matter of it. It is where we're going to go. Oh, you left out. But you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:43:22 Like subconsciously you know or automatically you know, don't turn all the lights on and don't even open my eyes all the way because otherwise it tells my brain I'm awake, it's harder to fall back asleep. That's what the light does. That's why the blue light blocking glasses work. That's why I know they work so well. Yeah, that's what they do.

Starting point is 00:43:37 It's when I don't, you know. Dude, I mentioned martial arts and I just remembered, I wanna plug this Instagram page. Oh God, the one you sent over. It's called Mick Dojo Life. So I've been into martial arts for most of my life, just as a fan, I loved Bruce Lee, then I did him as a kid and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:43:52 And I remember, I'm old enough to remember martial arts world before UFC and martial arts world after UFC. Before UFC, there was a lot of this like mysticism and you know, those martial arts, like you could hit a pressure point, make mysticism and you know, those martial arts, like, you could hit a pressure point, make the person pass out and these weird martial arts where people are knocking

Starting point is 00:44:10 each other out by barely touching them and all that stuff. And then UFC came around and basically dispelled all that stuff. I didn't realize that some of these martial arts still exist. So this page shows some of these fake martial arts. There's this one dude. He's got like five attackers coming to him

Starting point is 00:44:24 and he like waves his hand. Did they touch them, dude? Like David Caron. Just his energy. David Caron, he throws his she at them and then they like, and they literally pass out like for reals, they'll actually pass out because they got knocked out by his cheek.

Starting point is 00:44:37 This is the other dude that will hit like a couple pressure points. The dude falls asleep. I feel like some of them are going to like televangelists have gone to those same classes go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go.

Starting point is 00:44:48 I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go.

Starting point is 00:44:56 I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go.

Starting point is 00:45:04 I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. I feel like some of them are going to go. with just this Chi and so he went to get knocked out by this guy and the dude couldn't knock him out Obviously, and he says oh you must be your tongue is in the wrong position or in this position It's blocking my Chi energy, so you're actually defending you're defending my Chi really well What dude? Shut your mouth I love it, dude Anyway, hey have you Adam you were talking about The dog food you were getting from public goods for the dog?

Starting point is 00:45:26 No, I'm ordering it. So I haven't used it yet. You know, I tell you what, there, you know, we have a couple of brands not only that we've worked with in the past, and we work with currently now, that there's some overlap, right, that they sell similar things,

Starting point is 00:45:39 and but totally different, right? Like as far as what the company is like, public goods is if you're looking for a place where you can get things for like close to wholesale type prices but with natural ingredients good for the environment and direct to consumers so straight to you, that's where they are huge win. The price point is crazy.

Starting point is 00:46:01 I was like comparing some of the other things with some of the other companies that we've worked with, like, oh my God, like they're was like comparing some of the other things with some of the other companies that we've worked with. Oh my God, they're literally a tenth of the price and their stuff is on point. So I'm like, you know what, I haven't, I'm like really finicky about the dog food that I use for the boys. And so I don't normally like to go out,

Starting point is 00:46:17 but I'm like, you know what, everything else that I've bought from public goods has been fire. So let me see, and the dog food is ridiculously cheaper than the dog food I pay for right now. So I me see, and the dog food is ridiculously cheaper than the dog food I pay for right now. So I wanna try it out and see how the boy is doing. It's a member, it's like a membership service. Like a Costco.

Starting point is 00:46:32 It's like a Costco. A Costco online. Yeah, and their eco-friendly approach, I think, is the best that I've seen. Like you'll get a product that comes in a container, like soap, for example. It's like a minimalist. Yeah, very minimalist, right?

Starting point is 00:46:44 So you get the soap container, then you can get refill for that into container, like soap, for example. For example, minimalists. Yeah, very minimalist, right? So you get the soap container, then you can get refill for that same container, but now it's in packaging that is far more eco-friendly, which I think I've always said, I've always thought I should say, that that's the best the project. I've already got this plastic, more companies need to do that. Yeah, like I got this plastic container for my soap

Starting point is 00:47:00 or whatever, why don't they sell refill packets that take up less space, less garbage? I feel like the company would save money so it would be more profitable. Yeah, I feel like sometimes we kind of harp a little bit hard on some of the environmental pushes people make, but I mean, these are real problems. And they're, you know,

Starting point is 00:47:18 solvable if like more companies do these types of things collectively, and this actually brings up, I was actually looking at Lego as, you know, how humongous Lego is as a company. And their entire product is plastic, right? And so they've been having this real challenge as to make an initiative towards moving away from, you know, actual plastic

Starting point is 00:47:40 and making it more like biodegradable or like out of some kind of a plant derivative to make sure to make this type of Of a polymer that's similar that has the same feel so it's shiny The problem that they're having is that like the colors change a little bit And then you know, we try to pull off the Lego like they're having a little bit issue with that in comparison to plastic But they're getting really close and so they put all this money into the future. So that way, because I mean, their footprint,

Starting point is 00:48:11 you know, in terms of like putting out plastic is insane. Oh yeah. In comparison to a lot of other companies, but I mean, these are like real things that if we get more companies all together collectively, like thinking in a better direction, it's gonna make a massive difference? Are they using hemp or do you know what they're doing?

Starting point is 00:48:27 Yeah, I don't know what the actual plant formula is that they're experimenting with, but they're getting, I guess they've come close to like a real solid answer. You know what, doesn't hemp still have traces of THC in it or no? Is it completely easy? Tiny, is it still, I don't think you could take

Starting point is 00:48:43 like a hemp like a... I'm just, I'm just picturing my son sucking on his legos all the time, I was like, it's, I don't know if him would be a good idea. I don't know. Hey, you might be just chill. Yeah, yeah. He loves his legos.

Starting point is 00:48:54 He's always in a good mood after he plays with his legos. You know, there's this interesting statistic that a lot of people aren't familiar with, but as societies become wealthier and more prosperous, on the way to becoming wealthy, they produce more waste, they produce more carbon, or they have a larger carbon footprint. And this is because the desires and needs of the society on the way up to prosperity are houses, and we need food, we need shelter education, and this energy, this is most important

Starting point is 00:49:24 right now. Once they achieve a certain level of prosperity, though, and this energy, this is most important right now. Once they achieve a certain level of prosperity, though, you start to see the carbon footprint start to drop considerably and waste starts to drop considerably per capita because as the society becomes more prosperous, they start to, and they get all their needs met, the most basic needs, they start to value taking care of the planet. So companies like this are exploding. And Lego, this is obviously a market demand. Why would they do this if they knew that?

Starting point is 00:49:53 Yes, it's good for the environment, but it's also a market demand for it. Or like public goods. Why is a company like that doing so well? I've great products, good prices, but also eco-friendly. And we've seen a lot of companies do this. It's because we're prosperous and people now value that stuff. They can, they can value that stuff. Right, right.

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Starting point is 00:50:33 And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from East Duts 10. Is there such a thing as too deep of a squat or is it only limited by one's mobility? If you go lower than your stability and control can handle, then it's too low. And so, what does that look like? It depends. It depends on the person.

Starting point is 00:50:56 For some people, that may be parallel, maybe too low for them because once they go parallel, they lose stability. They don't have the mobility to go low, things break down and out becomes an exercise where the injury risk is too high or they're strengthening their recruitment pattern that isn't favorable. So it really depends on your mobility. But if you have phenomenal strength, mobility and stability, going as low as you possibly can is totally fine.

Starting point is 00:51:24 It's pretty much limitless. Yeah, there's nothing wrong. This is where I see value in like using your phone to record yourself. I know that looks really super douchey in the gym when people do this, but the new norm. But it is. It's become such the norm that I do see places where there's value to this and you know, assessing your squat and looking at it and saying like, and being able to be objective and going, hey, that something's not right there. This doesn't look really nice or your hips are moving

Starting point is 00:51:49 or you have a butt wink or your head's full protruding forward or your elbows aren't underneath your wrist. Like, there's a lot of things that could be breaking down that maybe while you're in the moment of getting the weight up and you're focused on that, you're not really seeing it that I think there's a lot of value in you looking at your squat and saying, okay, there's a breakdown here,

Starting point is 00:52:11 it's not a good squat, because I mean, if you look at Olympic lifters, we're probably the best example of like full depth squats. So Olympic lifters at the bottom of their squat, it's beautiful. I mean, if you look at the mechanics of it and they take a snapshot of what they look like at the deepest point,

Starting point is 00:52:30 and look at what their squat looks like, it is, I mean, the way their torso, the way their posture is, where their head and neck is, the way their feet are, the way their knees are at, the way their hips are positioned, the bar path, all those things, that is like the most beautiful squat. And now mine does not look like that, but I'm always working towards that.

Starting point is 00:52:50 And I'm always picking myself apart when something is off and there's work to be done there. And so this is where I think that everybody at some point should do this. Like at some point, whether you prop it up yourself or you have a spouse or a friend or somebody record your squad and then really pick it apart. And if you don't have good form all the way down

Starting point is 00:53:13 when you hit Assa Gras, then there's worked to be done. Now the counter, all here people say is, oh, I know people who Olympic lift and they've got injuries. We've got knee pain and they blew out this and they blew out that. What you need to understand, by the way, is that especially competitive lifters, people compete in lifting, they're pushing their bodies.

Starting point is 00:53:31 Distraction, they're capacity. Absolutely. You know what that sounds like to me is like somebody who points out a NASCAR driver who wrecks everyone. Correct. It's like, so you don't feel safe driving with him? Yeah, and a normal road. Yeah, and a normal car and a road.

Starting point is 00:53:42 Exactly. Yeah, of course not. The guy's a professional and he's pushing the limits. Yeah, I think too. I mean, we have a test that you can do where we have a stick that goes down your back and you could get all these points of contact established really to hyper focus is crucial for me

Starting point is 00:54:01 like through something like a squat. So that way you know where the breakdown starts to occur and you can kind of set, you know, thresholds and limitations for yourself to work on. And so I wanna stay in that spot where I feel like, you know, I was releasing those pressure points and now I wanna work on that specifically. If you're trying to figure this out,

Starting point is 00:54:23 or this is a question you're asking yourself, and you have not taken the Maps Prime webinar.com, if you have not gone through that, we're just in, takes you through this full assessment, what he's talking about right now, it's absolutely free, okay? It's free, go on that website, click it, watch it, it'll take about 45, 50 minutes of your time.

Starting point is 00:54:40 You'll figure out a lot of issues, a lot of ways to fix your mobility issues and get a better score. And what that is, that's part of our maps prime. So I know like one of the best and worst things that we ever did, right? So here's the dumb thing that Mind Pump did when we first started.

Starting point is 00:54:56 We were really, this is our massive egos. We really believe that we're gonna change world so much that we decided to create our own lexicon, right? So we're gonna fucking change terms, right? Yeah. When really maps prime, what maps prime is and what it represents, by the way, and that this webinar gives you a taste of that and gives you a big portion of that, is it's the assessment portion of being a personal trainer.

Starting point is 00:55:17 Every good personal trainer does a full assessment on somebody's movement before they take the microsoft. If not run, okay, if your trainer does not assess the way you squat, hinge, move, rotate before they take you on a bunch of exercises and they don't do that to you, get the fuck out of there because that's not a good thing. A second mechanic not looking at your car before they take the whole put to fix. So that really that that program is

Starting point is 00:55:41 what like the beginning of everything looked like for us. It's just a combination of all three of us. It's all three of our minds of the things that we thought were the most valuable things that we wanted to assess on a client's movement before we put them into any program. And so that's what it really is. So if you don't own it, at the bare minimum, get your ass over to the Maps Prime webinar and watch it for free. Next question is from Janki Garage Jim.

Starting point is 00:56:09 Can you provide some tips for dips? Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know, it's funny. When you list the top, when you ask the average lifter to list the top best upper body muscle building exercises, the ones that are the most functional, that build the most muscle, give you the most bang for your buck.

Starting point is 00:56:28 For some reason, body weight dips, oftentimes doesn't appear in that top lift or list. And I think it's just because they kind of fell out of favor because the reality is, body weight dips done properly is easily one of the best exercises you could do for your shoulders, triceps, and even your chest. It's a funer, it's like a pull-up for your back, except this is more fun.

Starting point is 00:56:49 It's incredibly difficult for a lot of people. They're very difficult. And so you, I mean, just being good, you just pointed to the pull-up. Like just being good at pull-ups and dips would build an incredible up-and-up. Up-and-up.

Starting point is 00:57:01 Yes, absolutely. Those two things, if you got really good at pulling your body weight up and dipping really well, enough to where you got so good that you can do 15 reps of both those no problems so you have to add weight. You have an amazing body. You have a great upper body.

Starting point is 00:57:15 Absolutely. So here's some tips for dips. Now, if you have the strength to do a body weight dip, start at the top, grip the handles really tight and maintain good tension. Lean slightly forward, do not drop down below the point you lose control and tension. This is the big mistake I see with people dips. If they challenge the depth, it has the point that they have stability or proper stability. So they go all the way down and they tend to relax at the bottom and then press their

Starting point is 00:57:41 way up. That's a recipe for shoulder injury. It's a recipe for failure. So always have full control throughout the whole thing. Now, if you can't do a bodyweight dip, which a lot of people can't because it's a full bodyweight exercise, one easy way to get better at them is to use a resistance band, put it around the bars, both bars, step on it or put your knee on it, and now you have assistance, and you can do body weight dips with assistance. This is how I train my son when I have him do him. I put the band around the two handles.

Starting point is 00:58:12 He puts his foot in there, and then the band helps him so he can get better at the motion of dips. And then of course, as you get stronger, I'll take the band off. So I have to give Justin some cool credit here, because there's, and we don't talk a lot about this on the air But you know when we all got together and started working together

Starting point is 00:58:30 There there are a handful of things. I think each of us probably Really learn from the other guys even with all the experience that we had and maybe we were familiar We're certain things but the other guy was way more into it And so it really kind of opened your eyes for things and And Justin was like, Justin's like hardcore about tension. Like he was like the stick mobility thing and those have been listening for a long time knew the whole invention thing that he did. Like, and so he was all about like all these tension moves and something that I used to notice when I would do dips cold.

Starting point is 00:58:58 Like if I came in cold and I went over the dip, sometimes my shoulder would bother my shoulder a little bit, it bothered my elbow a little bit. Like, and it would have this kind of uncomfortable feeling when I did it. And something I thought, you know what? This is an area where I bet if I did like a tension exercise before I actually do the performance movement, I could probably gain some more value.

Starting point is 00:59:18 And so what it looked like is this, a lot of places, you go to a dip, the dip bar and the dip bar is elevated. You got to step up to it and then you get on it and then you come down and then you drop down into this new range of motion area and that's where people either hurt themselves or their shoulder feels clicky and weird. So instead of that, I'll either use a bench to slide up or I'll find one or in our case we can manually lower eyes. I want to be able to stand in it.

Starting point is 00:59:45 I can always bend my knee and do a dip, so I wanna be able to stand in it, and then I actually start in the most deep position I want to go. So I actually bend my knees, let the dip, and I wanna position my elbows right where I want them to be, I want my chest and my shoulders right where I wanna be, and then I create tension,

Starting point is 01:00:02 and I create tension in that position for about five seconds. And then I push out of it from that position. When I started doing that, I completely eliminated all that weird clicking in my shoulder or a little bit of pain that I would feel sometimes of being cold and dropping into the dip. So going into it in the deepest range of motion where I'm supporting myself with my leg.

Starting point is 01:00:24 So it's not like I'm putting my body weight there, and then actually creating tension in that position for a good five to 10 seconds and then coming out of it to start. Man, it made a big difference on my dip. Yeah, that's a great tip. I also think too, like, the hand position itself, like I know with some clients of mine,

Starting point is 01:00:42 they would feel like an immediate sort of impingement in the shoulder based off of how narrow or how wide their hand grip was. Just to kind of manipulating that on your own just initially to feel where you're most comfortable and a lot of it times it emulates and matches where you would grab the bar for an overhead press. where you would grab the bar for an overhead press. And so for me, I would experiment with that, definitely adding the tension is a panty dropper. I'm gonna throw that out again. That's a big move to, you know,

Starting point is 01:01:15 to put you into the right direction and then challenge it to with instability. Yeah, and one other tip I like this one too, is to you can practice negatives on dips pretty well. So what you would do is you bring a bench up to the bar, you'd stand in the dip apparatus so you're kind of already at the top, bend your knees, hold that tension,

Starting point is 01:01:34 and then slowly lower yourself until you touch the floor with your feet and then get out, rest for about five seconds and then try that again. If you're not strong enough to do a dip, you probably are strong enough to lower yourself with control, and so that's one way to slowly build up your strength.

Starting point is 01:01:49 Next question is from Dina Larson. On a recent episode, you guys talked about how a pound of muscle burns approximately 50 extra calories, but I recently read that this is a myth and a pound of muscle only burns an extra seven to fifteen calories. Can you clarify which is true? I'm so glad you put this question in here, so and this is, you know, it's been a while since I got fired up about the fitness space and how much it annoys the fuck out of me.

Starting point is 01:02:17 This feels like a gotcha moment. Yeah, this is the thing that I can't stand about us as a whole. As a fitness space is that we get into this pissing contest of who is more right and we're, and which, okay, there's also the other side of that. I do appreciate, you know, the debate and then studies and that are disproving other studies and us growing and learning.

Starting point is 01:02:40 And so I can appreciate some of it, but where I'm very careful about how I present information is that the desired outcome is to actually help people, right? The desired outcome is to get people to move in the right direction. And so what I don't want to do is I don't want to overwhelm people all the time with what the latest scientific study proved or proved wrong or proved right if it's not going to really help my client. This is an example of this. This is an example of you can read like a ton of different research around this that will

Starting point is 01:03:10 disprove that. And I'm telling you firsthand experience from training tons and tons of people that when you put on three to five pounds of muscle, they are able to eat a ton more calories than what before. And by a ton more, I mean like hundreds of more calories, not 10 or 15 more calories, they can eat a lot more. Now what I don't know for sure is that that is just because of the lean body mass, they built three pounds of muscle.

Starting point is 01:03:37 I'm not sure what is good. And I think it's very arrogant for anyone to claim that they know either. The metabolism is one of the most complex things. Metabolism, gut, brain, universe. Those are like the fucking part of the hardest things that we have tried to figure out, and we're still learning. That's five right there. That's just, that's what I did there.

Starting point is 01:03:59 Score and points with our female. I know, you are today, you're on board. No, these are the things that we're still learning a ton about. And, you know, then what ends up happening is people will go, oh, it's only seven calories, so why would I care about putting them on five pounds of muscle to my body? It's only gonna mean I can eat 30,

Starting point is 01:04:17 it means what I can have a bite more. It doesn't work, so there's two things here we need to pay attention to. Number one, okay, it speeds up your metabolism, okay? So whether it's 15 calories, 50 calories, adding muscle means you burn more calories, that's a fact. But also here's number two, okay? There's a lot going on in the process of sending

Starting point is 01:04:34 the signal to build muscle. There's a lot going on. Part of that is telling your body, you need more calories, black and white, because you have more muscle tissue. But another part of that is telling your body, you don't have to be as efficient with calories. There's a lot of energy, call it what you will.

Starting point is 01:04:50 For lack of a better term, energy waste that happens when your body doesn't feel like it needs to conserve every single calorie. You could take someone and add no muscle to their body and get their body to burn more calories through changing their sleep, through lifting weights, through making them healthier. You'll see that their body just burns more. You could change someone's hormones and have their body burn more calories or less calories

Starting point is 01:05:14 without a necessary change in body mass. I've observed this time and time again. I could take someone, not have them lose muscle yet, they will eventually, but not have them lose muscle and have their bodies start to slow down their caloric burn. Your body becomes more or less efficient with its calorie burn or calorie storage based upon the signals that it receives. So it's actually more of a multi pronged approach.

Starting point is 01:05:41 Lifting weights tells your body to build more muscle. Is that alone in a speed of room tabs? I'm probably not. You also need to feed yourself a little bit more. Now this is telling your body, hey, it's okay to become less efficient with calories because we got calories coming in. The third thing is, let's not do things

Starting point is 01:05:57 that make our body feel like it needs to store calories because it's under stress. In other words, don't avoid sleep. Make sure you get good sleep because when you avoid sleep, you're stressed. Now your body thinks it needs to hold on, so get good sleep, have good relationships. Your hormone profile needs to be pretty good or healthy, that typically is a reflection of your lifestyle.

Starting point is 01:06:14 When that's all happening, your body becomes looser with how it uses calories. Actually, studies are shown. It'll burn more calories just to maintain your body heat. Right there, we'll burn sometimes hundreds of calories more every single day. And I'll back add them up. I've seen this happen so often and so consistently that it's a rule. I could speed someone's metabolism up every single time

Starting point is 01:06:35 by applying those things every single time. It's not only that, they're also teasing out. I mean, this is when we get into arguing over semantics, we didn't annoys the shit out of me. It's like, okay, if someone added five pounds of muscle, so the body is always gonna adapt, right? It's always gonna respond to whatever signal you're sending to it to get better and improve

Starting point is 01:06:51 or go the other way, an atrophy. If you've done the right work eating correctly and increasing your training volume to actually add three to five pounds of muscle, there's also that extra volume that you're having to train in order to keep that muscle. Because if you stop training that volume, that muscle would atrophy.

Starting point is 01:07:08 So then there's also gonna be more calories that are burnt in your workout, but they're teasing that out because that's movement, right? So they're teasing out that you have to move more in order to keep those or lift more in order to keep that muscle in there. They're looking at just what is muscle using. Muscle is only using based off these this new research

Starting point is 01:07:26 Seven to fifteen calories more a day and we've been telling people it's 50 well What about the work that that person has to continually do now in order to maintain that new muscle mass that they have built on their body Yeah, you gotta bring that into consideration Yeah, and it's just a very simplistic black and white view of a very complex thing like metabolism. Like we all know common sense, okay? We all know somebody who's 150 pounds, not a lot of muscle, not a lot of body fat either, and they can eat three times as much as your other friend

Starting point is 01:07:59 who's 230 pounds and seems to gain body fat all the time. Very easily, what's going on? The fat or person probably actually has more lean body mass than the person who's skinny, so there's a lot more going on here, but here's the fact, this is actually what matters, okay? This, these, you know, studies that show, oh, it's this many calories, that many calories, okay?

Starting point is 01:08:18 That doesn't matter, here's what matters. Building muscle and doing the things that encourage muscle building, speed up the metabolism. That's the bottom line. If you want a faster metabolism, which will make staying lean easier in a modern world where food is accessible, where we're sedentary all the time, and we're busy, so we don't have the time to go and do tons of cardio all the time. If we want to have a fast metabolism in that context, then try to build muscle.

Starting point is 01:08:44 That's the bottom line. The reason why I hate this stuff is because what this also would the person who's good with math would go, wait a second, why should I put all this effort into trying to build two pounds of muscle when I know that actually 25 jumping jacks burns the same amount of calories. That's what I'm saying. So I'm not going to go lift weights anymore because my trainer told me that it speeds my weight. He's wrong. 30 calories. I can just stand while I play video games. I could literally just do 30 crunches and 25 jumping jacks burn more calories per day and not have to stress about, no, see that's what I don't like about stuff like this is

Starting point is 01:09:16 when we get into these pissing contests of who's more right, the truth is this. Like if you, if you build muscle, if you muscle, if you go through a muscle building program where you add three to five, I promise you, go do it, and tell me if you think you're eating more calories now than what you were before. Next question is from Miller's time. Some people claim calories in versus calories out is what determines fat gain.

Starting point is 01:09:43 While others say if you eat healthy whole foods, no matter how much you eat, you will not gain fat. What is your take on this? That last part's not true. There's a lot to unpack here. Number one, you can't get around this. This is a law of physics. If you are burning so much energy,

Starting point is 01:10:03 if you're burning 2000 calories, by the way, calories are just a unit that we use to measure energy, if you're burning 2000 calories, by the way, calories are just a unit that we use to measure energy. So if you're burning 2000 calories and you're eating 3000 calories, the extra 1000 calories doesn't just evaporate into thin air. It gets converted and stored as body fat or maybe converted into muscle or whatever, but energy does not get created and it does not get destroyed, it just gets transferred. This is a law of physics and thermodynamics.

Starting point is 01:10:30 So that's number one, okay? But here's number two, losing weight and gaining weight or just losing fat doesn't guarantee that you're gonna get healthier either. A lot of people that lose weight, there's actually in fact, people who are underweight oftentimes have worse health than people who are slightly overweight.

Starting point is 01:10:47 So there's also the health component, okay? So you have to consider calories if you wanna burn body fat. That's a must. You were not gonna get around that. I don't care how healthy your diet is. If you eat too many calories, you'll gain body fat. That's just the bottom line. But we also have to understand this, calories are are important, so is what makes up those calories

Starting point is 01:11:06 in terms of your total health. Okay, now you can get away with more when your calories are low, but it still makes a big difference. So you gotta look at your calories, you gotta look at your macronutrients, especially the essential ones, like proteins and fats, you gotta hit the essential numbers on those otherwise your body can't function. And then what makes up your diet determines how you feel,

Starting point is 01:11:27 it determines your appetite, it'll determine other issues or factors that determine your overall health. In fact, studies will show that people who eat a whole food, metaturainian-style diet that are slightly overweight, will have better health than people who eat a lower calorie diet that's made up of foods that tend to be heavily processed. So health is another factor. So it's not just about weight loss or weight gain, it's also health.

Starting point is 01:11:52 So both important, but the last part of that question is false. You'll gain weight if you eat too many calories, regardless of how healthy or unhealthy the food is. You can't avoid that part of it. And I think, yeah, the message of health is a big one because, and that's why you see that a lot in these influencers that really are definitely steering people towards whole foods. I think they may be doing it in a way that's not really

Starting point is 01:12:17 that wrapped in truth. So a lot of times you can eat all this healthy food, you're not gonna gain any fat. That's not true either. It really is like you don't want to be fighting yourself internally, you know, while you're trying to make progress. So whatever your eating needs to benefit you from within and keep everything healthy and working optimally, but also calories are the consideration. I'm above calories and a surplus, I am going to gain weight. Well, the part of the statement that makes it false

Starting point is 01:12:49 is the no matter how much you eat. Right? If you ate rib eye steaks and bananas every day till you hit 6,000 calories. That's a weird combination. I know, I don't know. I just thought about their high calorie. I thought high calorie and easy to eat.

Starting point is 01:13:03 I keep on eating it. Yeah, I feel like. It's a steak and banana diet. That's a best about their high calorie. I thought high calorie and easy to eat, right? I keep on eating it. Yeah, I feel like. It's taking banana diet. That's a, that's a best seller for a whole. Yeah, I just think it high calorie, high calorie. And I mean, if I was, I mean, if I was like on a mission to eat whole foods and get to a ton of calories, that's what came to mind fruit and steak, right?

Starting point is 01:13:17 That's just how I was thinking. So my point though is that you absolutely can get fat just eating whole foods if you really tried. Now, where this comes from, I think, and we're hopefully, whoever said this or was alluding to this, is that it's a really hard thing to do. And that I'll get behind, right? So I've done this with many clients and said, listen, okay, I'm not going to tell you how many calories you can or can't eat. All I want you to do is eat whole, and if you're hungry, eat, but you have to eat from these food groups, these choices, okay?

Starting point is 01:13:47 The more Jordanian people can't overeat. Right. Exactly. And the only ones that have ever came back and failed this test and they look back at me, I put on five pounds out of them with the fuck, and then I go, okay, let's talk about, did you stick to it? 90% of the time, all at a wait a second, 90% of the time. What about the other 10%? Well, there's a few times where I had this, or I had that.

Starting point is 01:14:07 I said, okay, so you got full off the whole foods, and then you hijacked your palate, and your body's natural signals that tell you that you're full, and then you went and had some process shit to become hungry again. Right, exactly. So there's where you messed up. If you really, truly stick to just whole foods,

Starting point is 01:14:23 it really is hard for most people to over consume consistently. Maybe one day they ate a little bit more. Maybe they had a great training session they before, and so they ramped up their metabolism and their body wanted more food, and so they ate a little bit extra. But I'll tell you what,

Starting point is 01:14:37 they probably needed it on that day. Consistently, if you eat only whole foods, it is really hard for most people to do that. And I wanna add a little bit to that that because I've actually had talked to people about this where they'll say, well, it is whole foods and I'm like, it's a pie and they'll like, but I baked it myself. Like, okay, well, that doesn't count either. So when we say whole foods, we're talking about foods that are not processed, but we're

Starting point is 01:14:58 also referring to foods with like a few ingredients, right? Because I could take- Neutrines in it. Yeah, because I could take whole food ingredients. I remember one time I trained, good friend of mine, Spiro, I love you Spiro. I was training him and he was just a smart ass. I remember he came in one morning

Starting point is 01:15:12 and we were working on his diet and I'm like, would you have for breakfast? He goes, oh, you know, Sal, Greek guy, love him. He goes, Sal, I had a good breakfast. He goes, it was good. I had a little bit of eggs. Yeah, I know what he did. I had a little bit of milk.

Starting point is 01:15:23 I got a client. And I'm listening to him like, you had a fucking cake bro. I'm like, eggs in milk. I'm like, you know, I had a little bit of eggs. Yeah, I know what he did. I had a little bit of milk. I got a client. And I'm listening to him like, you had a fucking cake bro. I'm like, eggs and milk, I'm like, you know, I had a little bit of flour. I'm like, flour. Who the hell eats a little flour? And I'm like, wait a minute,

Starting point is 01:15:31 you made cake? You had cake for breakfast? That's just a counter. I got a client doing the same thing before. And he goes, what's the difference? Every ingredient is a whole wha, like, no, that's a little different.

Starting point is 01:15:40 But no, it's true. If, and this is where we get some of the confusion because somebody will say, but that's not true. I ate as much as I wanted, and they were all healthy foods, and I lost weight. You don't, you tend to not overeat, studies show that people eat heavily processed foods, over consumed by 500 to 600 calories. That's not a little bit.

Starting point is 01:16:00 That's a lot. That's a big difference. Here's the other thing that you want to also consider. Remember, it's a energy balance thing. So it's too many calories versus how many calories you burn. So I've also had people tell me, well that's not true, I increased my calories, but I didn't gain any body fat.

Starting point is 01:16:16 Then I look at their workout program, oh you built muscle, oh you metabels, I'm sped up. So here's the bottom line. If you gain weight, it's because you weight more calories than you burned. If you lost weight, it means you weight less calories than you burned. But there's two sides of that equation.

Starting point is 01:16:32 I could either burn more or I could eat more or I could burn less and I could eat less. It's the balance between the two that'll determine the weight. But what makes up your diet has a huge impact on your overall health. And yes, you can be overweight and be healthier than somebody who's underweight, even though they have less body fat

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