Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1409: How Skipping Isolation Exercises Can Build More Muscle, the Best Sources of Carbs, Learning from Failure & More

Episode Date: October 24, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about doing only compound exercises and skipping isolation exercises to build muscle, the best sources of carbs, overweig...ht professional athletes, and the times they failed as a personal trainer or leader.  Justin’s collagen legs. (4:28) Sal’s big scare. (5:09) Was Adam’s shadow banned on Instagram? (7:39) Social media is in hot water. (11:21) Updates on baby Di Stefano. (16:04) Adam is bulking on Magic Spoon. (18:47) Sal is thiccc. (22:47) The Iranian Hulk and other anomalies of strength. (24:04) Behind the scenes of the #DILF video series. (32:36) Doug’s Zbiotics story for the ages. (36:30) Argentina becomes the first nation to approve GMO wheat. (39:40) #Quah question #1 – Is it ok to only do compound exercises like bent over rows, chest press, squats, etc.? And leave out isolation exercises like bicep curls, tricep extensions, etc.? (44:10) #Quah question #2 – What are the best sources of carbs? (48:43) #Quah question #3 – I see a lot of professional athletes, mostly baseball players, that are overweight. Would those players be able to increase their athletic abilities by dropping body fat or is there an advantage to packing on extra weight? (53:52) #Quah question #4 – Was there ever a time you felt you failed as a personal trainer or as a leader? What did you learn from it, and how did your life change? (1:01:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Special: MAPS Anabolic and No BS 6-Pack Formula No Safe Spaces Expose social-media censorship MAGA world, GOP unite on social-media bias after Hunter Biden story Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Meet the ‘Iranian Hulk,’ the laughably huge 24-year-old powerlifter Brad Castleberry on fake weight accusations: “I don’t care. I take it as a compliment.” Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Argentina first nation to OK drought-resistant GMO wheat, farm industry balks October Promotion: ALL MAPS Products 50% off!! **Promo code “OCTOBER50” at checkout** Joe Rogan Experience #1551 - Paul Saladino The One Minute Manager Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned The Iranian Hulk (@sajadgharibiofficial)  Instagram Brad Castleberry (@bradcastleberry)  Instagram Joe De Sena (@realjoedesena)  Instagram Paul Saladino (@carnivoremd)  Instagram Aaron Donald (@aarondonald99)  Instagram Daniel Cormier (@dc_mma)  Instagram John Gottman

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You're listening to Mind Pump, the world's number one top-downloaded fitness entertainment and fun podcast on anywhere. It's a global phenomenon. In this episode, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners and viewers just like you.
Starting point is 00:00:30 But the way we open the episodes with an introductory portion where we talk about what happened in our lives, we talk about studies, we talk about fitness, we have a lot of fun. Today's intro portion was 39 minutes long after that we answered the fitness questions. By the way, you can go to mindpumppodcast.com and just fast forward to your favorite part
Starting point is 00:00:47 if you don't have a lot of time. Otherwise, listen to the whole thing. We opened the episode by talking about Justin's collagen legs. Oh yeah, he feeds the dog. Drink him in. Then I talk about my son falling down this weekend. He's okay, but it was a little bit of a scare.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Adam got shadow banned on Instagram, means he must be doing something right. He's one of a scare. Adam got shadow banned on Instagram, means he must be doing something right. He's one of us now. We talk about social media being in hot water for censorship. I talk about how the baby hasn't come yet. We are waiting any minute now. Then Adam talks about how he ate an entire box
Starting point is 00:01:20 of magic spoon cereal. Now this cereal tastes delicious, like the cereals remember as a child, but the macros are incredible. No sugar, high protein, low carbohydrate cereal. In fact, in entire box, a whole box of magic spoon cereal is 770 calories, 77 grams of protein, and no sugar, it's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 00:01:42 It's good to me, so. And because you listen to Mind Pump, you get a discount on any box. So just go to magicspoon.com forward slash Mind Pump. Then we talk about that. I'm a buffalo right now, a little heavy. I'm just trying to follow. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Then we talk about this guy on Instagram called the Iranian Hulk. And we talk about other human anomalies. And then we talk about Doug's getting super drunk story. He was okay though, because he used Zbiotics. I love drunk Doug. So Zbiotics is a product that you take
Starting point is 00:02:13 before you drink alcohol. And it's comprised of genetically modified bacteria that produce an enzyme that break down the negative byproducts of alcohol. So you drink and you wake up the next day, feeling okay, you feel actually pretty good. In fact, you got to listen to Doug's story. It's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:32 Z-bottix is a breakthrough supplement. It's patented. There's nothing like it anywhere and it really works. It really does. If you want to try it out, go to zbiotics.com. That's zbiotis.com forward slash mind pump and then use the code mind pump for 10% off. And then we talk about GMO wheat being approved in Argentina. Then we answered the questions. Here's the first one. Is it okay to do just compound exercises?
Starting point is 00:02:58 In other words, do no isolation movements. Next question, what are the best sources of carbs? The third question, this are the best sources of carbs? The third question, this person says, look, I see a lot of professional athletes that look a little chubby. Would they be better athletes if they got leaner? And then the final question, this person wants to know if there was ever a time that we felt like we failed
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Starting point is 00:04:32 What? Well the dog always lickin' his legs. He's lickin' off the collagen flakes off. Every time like all dogs they just wanna lick my legs. What's up with that? They can taste the cheese, that's why. It is. It's in that excess cheese ooze just coming out my skin. What's up with that? Lick your taste to cheese, that's why. That's what it is. It's in that excess cheese ooze,
Starting point is 00:04:46 just coming out of my skin. They know there's a bone underneath. It's somewhere. Or there's a 50-50 shot. You still have remains from breakfast somewhere around you. Yeah, that's highly likely. Bro, you're all over my body. Literally your dog was sitting there just like,
Starting point is 00:04:58 I don't know. I'm just going to be annoying. I'm like, just cause I'm wearing shorts. Yeah. They just want to eat my legs. You're like, higher? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:07 It's delicious. Disgusting. Dude, I had a scare this weekend. Mm. My son was outside on a skateboard. And I go inside real quick and I hear him scream or whatever. Oh, God. So I run out there and he's on the ground.
Starting point is 00:05:21 And my son's so funny. If your emotions were, if there's a scale, one to 10, right? One, you're sleeping. Yeah, he's two to four. He just lives there. It never goes above, never goes below. So, sure enough, he's on the ground, he's pale,
Starting point is 00:05:36 obviously he's in a lot of pain. He's holding his arm. He's like, oh, did he yell like this? No, no, first he's like, oh, no, he goes, help! Sorry, run out there. Yeah, I can't imagine him doing like a real high. No, no, no. Unless his voice cracked, right?
Starting point is 00:05:52 So I run out there, I'm like, oh, he's holding his arm, I'm like, what's the matter, you all right, buddy? And he like lifts up his sleeve and his shoulder was dislocated. Well, really? Yeah, so it was like, like you could see the bone, not a huge, it was more of a Subluxation like a minor Dislocations out of place. So you can see it out. Did you leave the weapon him? No, I didn't I don't know if I could get a male gets in him. I don't know if I could really pull it the wrong way
Starting point is 00:06:15 Yeah, put it in on you pull it out and just slam it in the side of the garage Chicken like a chicken wing Oh shit, I pulled your arm off. Yeah. No, I saw it pop out a little bit, and so I'm like, oh shit, so I run inside to get my shoes, cause I whatever. So then he moved his elbow a little bit, and it popped back into place, but when he looks at his shoulder
Starting point is 00:06:36 while it's out, he goes, this is exactly how he says it. That doesn't look right. That's a total dinner. That's not what I'm supposed to be. But dude, I hate it, I hate, when I see my kid, especially if I see that there's an injury on my own kid, in the moment, I'm like, cool.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Soon as it was over, I was like, affected for like an hour. You know what I mean? I'm just walking around like, I know, I'm always going to have my youngest. He's just put me through the ringer with that all the time. And even if we're playing soccer or whatever, he just goes so hard that he'll end up either on his head or in some weird entangled position.
Starting point is 00:07:11 It's the worst feeling ever on something like that. I'm nervous for that day. That happens. That hasn't really happened to me yet. It's happened to Katrina three times though now. So that's the big. You got to show up after. Yeah, that's the big joke around the house right now
Starting point is 00:07:23 is that he's been, he's heard himself three three times now all on your watch. She's not watching Make her feel you know her come back is this because you're a helicopter dad. That's why It's the worst I got something to ask you south explain it so I you know Here's some conspiracy stuff here. We go. Oh, hell yeah. Wait, you're coming in with the conspiracy? Well, okay. So, so maybe it's because you guys get in my head, right? So, and maybe it's with all this news that with all the shadow banning and the different platforms that are not posting certain news. That's how you're starting to notice things. So we just woke you up. We watched. Yeah. You're a week. Right. Right. I woke now. So I watched that documentary that you recommended last week right the no space spaces, right?
Starting point is 00:08:09 And it had the full length clip of that and you I think one of you to share that That triggered social justice warrior cartoon along Yeah, I think you shared it before like in your story social justice Yeah, I think you shared it before like in your story. Social justice. Whoa, regards. Whoa, regards. Yeah, I just felt it was appropriate to post the whole thing on my page, right?
Starting point is 00:08:28 So I did and it made me laugh. And I just, I saw I put it out there. I just wanted to see what would happen, right? See if there were people that would actually get offended by some cartoon like that, which I was impressed by my audience that did watch it. I didn't get anybody who got all. If you have any audience left over
Starting point is 00:08:45 that gets offended, you know, I mean, I know how that's possible. I feel like I purged them every like few weeks, right? So anyway, so I post it. Now, here's the part to trip, I trip on this, okay? So if you go back up to, I went as far as I think almost two years on my Instagram page. I don't have a single video, I've ever posted.
Starting point is 00:09:05 The dumbest video or the lamest video I've ever posted got 10,000 plus views on it. Most of my videos, if I do a squad of, anything gets 20,000 plus views on my main page. Up to two years ago, right? So obviously, the page was much smaller over two years ago. So I post that and it has 4,000 views. And I'm like, now the cacles, my tinfoil hat goes on.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I'm like, come on, am I getting sucked in? Because I got salons just in this co-host and they're always in my ear. So I'm like, all right, let me test this. So I do a giveaway, which I know anytime I give away our programs, which I do rarely on my page, but I do every once in a while do a giveaway. I know I can get a ton of traffic, right?
Starting point is 00:09:48 That'll just drive that page. And so I say, hey, I'm giving away a program for one guy, one girl, tag as many people as you can on this, the last post I just did, which was the video. So let me see. So the thing is got, I don't know where it's at right now. It's got hundreds and hundreds,
Starting point is 00:10:04 maybe a thousand tags on it now and comments, which anything that I get that gets thousands of comments on it ends up getting tens of thousands of views. The thing still only has like 6,000 or 8,000 views on the thing. So explain that to me. It's well, Shadow Band. It's the lizard people. Yeah, it's definitely the lizard. They're just, they don't want the thing. So explain that to me. It's well, Shadow Band. It's the lizard people. Yeah, it's definitely a lizard. They're just, they don't want the truth.
Starting point is 00:10:27 No, it's, you're probably getting Shadow Band because it says, I don't understand how that works. So they all restrict, so they have algorithm. This is true. This is not a conspiracy theory. They have algorithms that pick up certain language. For example, if you put in your post anything that says COVID or coronavirus, automatically at the bottom of your post, there'll be a link to, I think it's the CDC website on COVID.
Starting point is 00:10:52 And they're not people who are watching posts. There's way too many of them. It's an algorithm. So there's other phrases and stuff that'll get them to ban outright for the algorithm to tell you your page is going to get blocked or taken down or warn you or maybe even shadow banned. And the video says social justice warrior. My guess is that's the word or phrase that got it shadow banned because you're right.
Starting point is 00:11:18 It should get and you know what right now, dude? Social media giants are they are are, they're squeezing hard. They are fucked. They have really screwed themselves. Because did you guys see what they did with that New York Post article? No, I didn't. I saw that you posted about it.
Starting point is 00:11:34 So there was a, like this is a breaking news report, okay? I think I'm about Biden's son. Yeah, so, okay, make a long story short. Laptop was recovered. it had pictures of Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's son doing some shit, drugs and whatever. But that's not the story, the story was that there are emails that show that Hunter Biden set up a meeting with Ukrainian, like officials or whatever, with his dad.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And there was a whole controversy as to whether or not Joe Biden was kind of doing a pay for play type of thing. Like if you don't do this policy, if you don't help us out, then we're gonna withhold four and eight or whatever. So that was a story before, no evidence. Now this could potentially be evidence.
Starting point is 00:12:21 And apparently there's more stuff on there. Anyway, immediately blocked on Facebook, on Twitter. And it was before the fact checkers, because they have independent fact checkers that'll get on there and say if it's false or whatever, it was blocked even before that happened. Now, did you hear, did you hear how this story came out to begin with? Yeah, some, some like repair man. Yeah. Okay, so this is the part that seems really fishy to me. Oh, you wanna have three computers, okay. Three computers are dropped off of Biden's, right?
Starting point is 00:12:52 Or of his son or what? Randomly by someone. Randomly by someone, okay. It's dropped off to be quote unquote repaired. Three of them. Yeah, nobody shows up to get him. Nobody comes back to pick them up. That's weird as fuck to me.
Starting point is 00:13:04 So, so let's get to that in a second because I have some my own fun with that. But so here's the problem. Educating me today. Oh, this is crazy. So here's a deal. Is the true, is a story true or not? I don't know. It seems like there's more evidence coming out that there may be some truth in there. But the crazy thing is that the platform blocked it completely before any fact checkers came out and said whatever. In fact, Twitter's CEO even said that. We're going to block this preemptively and wait for the fact checkers, which is kind
Starting point is 00:13:32 of like, huh? You don't really do that with everybody. But anyhow, here's why social media is fucked. I don't care if you believe if you're pro or against, you know, which side you vote for or whatever. That's not the point. The point is, now the Republicans are calling these tech CEOs to Congress to testify and all they're doing is making a case to regulate them And the Democrats at some points have made the case to regulate them now the Republicans are making a case to regulate them
Starting point is 00:13:59 Now the public is probably at least maybe a big portion of the public is supportive of them getting regulated. They're screwed. The days of social media not having big brother regulating them are over. I guarantee it's gonna totally come crashing down and Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and all these social media giants are gonna, they're gonna be under the thumb of government
Starting point is 00:14:20 which I don't like at all. Now back to what you said at them. That is very weird. You wanna know my theory is? What's that? So we passed laws after September 11th that give the government the ability to spy on anybody, on anybody's emails.
Starting point is 00:14:40 They could even take you and imprison you without warrant, without judge trial jury, without a warrant, all under the guise of, you know, to fight terrorism or whatever. Whoever the president is, it's got some power over that. So here's what I think tends to happen. Whoever's the president now can pull up dirt on their political enemies,
Starting point is 00:15:01 because that's what you said makes no sense. No. Who the hell has these drops them off and leaves them there? Right. You know, unless somebody on his team is trying to screw them, or I think they found the information they made this story up. That's what I think.
Starting point is 00:15:14 And they're like, you know, how do we get this out in the public without telling them that we're spying on him or whatever? Yeah, that's what I would say. It's gotta be something like that because it just makes no sense why you take in three laptops that you're trying to get repaired.
Starting point is 00:15:26 You would want those back and then you just disappear. Yeah, like that. Or you would take a laptop that's got picture of you with a crack open your mouth. It was just some random, because that's a picture that was on there. Wow. Hunter Biden got a crack pack in his mouth.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Oh, good. Yeah. Nobody's leaving that shit at the repair store. You're breaking that. That's all. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, breaking that, sorry. Yeah, you know, but yeah, they're- It breaks this, please. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna be- Yeah, my internet speed's been slowly,
Starting point is 00:15:50 it's bogged down, can you check this out? Yeah, because I should, for every other- Don't have anybody that can figure this out in our circle. Don't look at the trees and pictures and emails, please. You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no still waiting for baby, nothing. I know. Yeah, I thought for sure this weekend. I didn't do that.
Starting point is 00:16:08 So break down when you're doing it in an all natural birth from home like you guys are. Yeah, what's the breaking point on how long will they allow baby to stay in there? I think it's two weeks post due date. Then they can't do it at home. You have to go to a hospital. So we have some time because her due date was a few days ago. So she's a few days past, but we're still within the. And I know that a greater percentage of first time moms have their baby.
Starting point is 00:16:38 I believe five or six days after their due date is like the average. So, but she's, you could tell, she's like, ready. She's done. Yeah. She's done for this thing. It's funny too, because she was like, while she was going through the pregnant, she's like, I don't think I'll ever not
Starting point is 00:16:52 want to be pregnant. You know what I mean? And her mom and every other woman that's had a baby's like, yeah, there's going to be a point. It's going to be a shit. Yeah. It's going to be a nightmare. You're going to be like, I need this out.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Yeah. I know Katrina, now she's doing like five mile walks. She's not telling me all the spiciest food possible. Can we order tacos? That's the way I know what we try to do. It's interesting how they look back at that, because we were talking about Jessica, and Katrina's like, you know, I really enjoyed being pregnant.
Starting point is 00:17:16 I looked at her kind of sideways, and I'm like, really? Did we see like a friend? Yeah, really? Did you really? Like there was moments, I'm saying, I can remember us having those cute moments me rubbing her belly and being like Oh, I think he's moving in there, you know, like those are all really cute
Starting point is 00:17:30 But then I also remember like hot cold sweats like you know Air to bull for good short-dippered fall to sleep at five o'clock. I do weird-ass cravings I remember all those other things too. So she does this thing when she goes to bed right now because she's so uncomfortable and You know you're well you know when a like a dog goes to bed right now because she's so uncomfortable. And you know when a dog goes to bed and they'll circle around the bed 15 times and move around 100 times before. So she's doing that, she's like, send up all the pillows.
Starting point is 00:17:54 She's trying to move, and I just hear her like, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, for like 15 minutes before she finally finds a spot. And then 10 minutes later she has to get up a pee. That's the start all over. I can't wait till she hears this episode and hears you compare her to her. minutes before she finally finds a spot and then 10 minutes later she has to get up a pee. I can't wait till she hears this episode and hears you compare to her. I didn't know. I didn't know.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know where I got this text. I think Justin was in it too. I just fuck you guys for keeps saying that I listen to Anya. She said that.
Starting point is 00:18:22 She's over it. Yeah. It could tell people I have's a great new analogy. Yeah. But my daughter so excited this morning, my daughter woke up and she gets up early for school and she comes down all excited and she goes, did I hear you say Jessica's having contract, she must have thought or dreamed that Jessica was having contractions so she was all excited. Oh wow, interesting. I'm like, no honey, got a weight a little longer Yeah, I'll see what happens. I got something for you guys It's a well some way it was interesting to me because so I've been I've kicked up my training volume the last a couple weeks
Starting point is 00:18:52 I've been I'm getting in like four four plus days now, which is which is good for me I haven't had that a couple weeks I haven't strung together more than three times in a week and so training volumes up of course my appetite's up a little bit more and I had like a yesterday, I had a really light day of eating, I had mis-skip breakfast and then I had a really low calorie launch, and I had a pretty good sized dinner, but then I was still like really hungry.
Starting point is 00:19:16 So I go over and I'm eating magic spoon, and I'm watching the documentary that you had referred to us out, so I'm like, so into it. And I'm like mindlessly eating. I'm like, oh, I definitely can afford another bowl. Because I'm like, okay, so I go back and get another bowl. And then I go back a third time. Realize that I crushed the whole box.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Oh, and I'm like, and so I was like, oh shit. That's a stoner move. Which I, yeah, it was totally. So I go, oh man, let me, let me track them into calories. I just, you know what's crazy? Not bad at all. The whole entire box is only 770 calories. Now, obviously if you're a petite 120 pound little girl,
Starting point is 00:19:56 that's a lot of food for you. But that 770 calories, it's just like another meal to me. A whole box. 770 calories, zero sugar. Okay, carbohydrates total. 70 grams of carbs. So that's minus the milk too. What kind of milk?
Starting point is 00:20:10 Yeah, I use almond milk. And 30 calories, the servings. Yeah, so yeah, maybe an add an extra 60 to 90 calories of almond milk on that. A couple more grams of protein on there. How much protein is it? 77 grams. Oh, that's a meal.
Starting point is 00:20:22 That's a good, that's a big steak meal. Oh, yeah, so I was like, oh, they're saying so bad. So the people that have asked, because they were like, I wonder what a regular box of like, a looping box, bulk.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Dude, they're like 200 grams of sugar. Yeah, it would be a ton of sugar, a ton of carbs, hardly any protein. Three grams of protein, totally different. But, you know, I never wanted I intended to eat a whole box of that, but I do remember when we first partnered with them, that there was But, you know, I never wanted to, I intended to eat a whole box of that, but I do remember when we first partnered with them that there was this, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:48 oh, you guys are talking about processed foods and this and that, and that's encouraging like Bill Clinton. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. You guys are encouraging people. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not letting it.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Listen, if you eat that whole thing and ain't that bad, especially if you have, if you got decent, I mean, if you eat calories, that and ain't that bad, especially if you have decent, I mean, if you eat calories meals that are 500 to 1,000 calories, which for me, that's about what I normally eat. 500 to 1,000 is a normal meal. So if I'm eating about 3,000, 3,500 calories a day,
Starting point is 00:21:17 they counted as a meal. Dude, that's, Doug, what does that say up there? I can't see that. What is a normal box of cereal, sugary cereal? This is fruit loops. One serving is 110 calories. Exactly the same as magic spoon, by the way. One gram of protein.
Starting point is 00:21:32 If you ate seven servings of that, you would have seven grams of protein. And 26 grams of carbs of which 12 grams are sugars. You do the math on that, what's that? 84 grams of sugar. If you're trying to on that one's at 84 grams of sugar. So if you're trying to be on a low protein, how many servings are in that box, can you see? I can't see how many are, I mean, they have different size boxes.
Starting point is 00:21:53 They do, and in fact, regular cereals, there's more in it. I think that's part of the, well, yes, especially if you go to Costco, you get the jumbo box. What? Yeah, you can, thank you. Hey, listen, I tell you,
Starting point is 00:22:03 if you're on a high sugar, no protein diet, for it loops, that's the way to go. Yeah, you can thank you. Hey, listen, I tell you, if you're on a high sugar, no protein diet, you know, fruit loops, that's the way to go. That is the move. I'm trying to make my body, you know, insensitive to insulin and it's really, and also do it. And give me another meal that's 700 calories and get 70 grams of protein. Yeah. I feel like that's, I wish I had something like that when I was trying to eat more to
Starting point is 00:22:23 build muscle when I was younger when my metabolism Oh, yeah, I just throw in some whole milk in there and what that it would then it would jump into a awesome bulking meal Well, not just that but because it tastes good, you know, you could eat it, you know, because at the end of the day I remember when I would eat, you know, four thousand calories. It's sure Yeah, like just to get something that you know, you can look forward to eating all the time is is when yeah Just chewing on my yeah, I chew on my steak all night I don't do this anymore rock eight speaking of speaking of the bulking dude I'm I'm a damn buffalo right now I am so big yeah I don't know what's I wait to 15 on accident I'm not even trying right now wow yeah I mean I you know I'm kind of buff too
Starting point is 00:22:58 but I know the lot you are now is this post you running keto because you were running keto for a minute Did you switch back oh yeah, I'm eating normal now. Yeah, I only do that for a couple months and then I'll typically go off. But you know what I notice, when I get a little bigger, I'm obviously stronger, and but I notice my joints start to bother me a little bit. I start to, would you say push the seams or?
Starting point is 00:23:18 Oh, pressure the hinges. Pressure the hinges. So I'm starting to feel right now. And I think that's a common thing, right? When a husband's wife is pregnant, don't they kind of tend to gain a long, I mean, I went the other way at first. I totally both. I didn't until after the fact. So I knew that, like, going into it, like, okay, we're probably going to be laying around the house, which I was right. We didn't do much for the first, like, six months. So I went in, I tried to go in with,
Starting point is 00:23:41 as much momentum as I could. And I think I did pretty solid for the first couple weeks of having max around and then like fell off and then became very sporadic. So I went in to the pregnancy feeling pretty damn good. But like now they took me about, I don't know, probably two months before I started to go like, okay, this is, I've let myself go too far. Speaking of big, have you guys ever seen the Iranian Hulk?
Starting point is 00:24:06 Yeah, I've seen him. You have? I've heard like Photoshop, though, that's what I've heard. Okay, I think it's real. You have like a tiny head and just a ridiculously huge body. So I saw him a long time ago and he popped up, somebody tagged me on him the other day. There's all kinds of viral YouTube videos around him being fake.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Really? How? I looked into it a long time ago. Okay, look at these pictures. See if Doug can pull it up because I sent you the link. He just he just looks like a massive human being. It doesn't look like he's geared up, but maybe he is. I don't know. You don't think he looks geared up to you? You know, there you have you ever met somebody that's just massive natural. Yeah, you get like a Tony Robbins, right? What's that disease called look at him, dude? It's just huge. Yeah And the thing is angles. I don't know man
Starting point is 00:24:53 You can do a lot with the camera and Photoshop. Yeah, he looks crazy Yeah, I heard a couple small as waste is for like see like like some of those look like kind of normal and then some of them It's just like no no way, dude. Have you, okay, there's a body builder called Craig, or Craig Goliath, or something like that, who also is just so big, it doesn't make any sense. And Jessica's brother lives in Vegas and told me he works out at a gym that that guy works out at.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And I told him, I said, if you've seen him in life, in real life, he goes, yeah, is he big like that? And he goes, he looks crazier in real life So there are humans that look like this in real life that you look at him now look at yeah, he looks like Goliath Look at look at this as his feet. I will eat you see what I'm saying. He might have that would Gigantism or something. Yeah, I don't know. It's like a action Google photo shopped ourulk, or whatever. Something around that.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Find out. Because I went down the rabbit hole when I first got someone shared this guy with me like years ago. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. That looks kind of fake. Well, that's the thing. I mean, I know the fake weights thing
Starting point is 00:25:56 has been a big part of like our weird influencer sort of industry, you know, with like Castleberry, and all these people like speculation on these people. Are they really lifting this amount of heavy weight? And it's almost like, if you get into that thing where the weight is your only sort of redeeming value, like I'm sure, like they consider it, right? Yeah, and I also feel like with the fake weight type of stuff,
Starting point is 00:26:21 some of these guys, I mean, they're working out in commercial gyms, what are they doing? Like bringing in boxes of fake plates into the gym. Somebody would take a picture. Yeah. Like, how, how could you like, move that in without people noticing? Oh, yeah. What's Joe Rogan was just talking about Brad Castleberry with somebody. They're talking about how, you know, he, he works out in 24th fitness. So if he was doing fake weights, some, those are 24th fitness has their own weight plates, right? So you would have to come in and they, in 24 of fitness has their own weight plates, right?
Starting point is 00:26:45 So you would have to come in and they, in 24 of fitness, it's not- Those types of plates. They don't supply fake weights at 24 of fitness. So you would have to walk in with at least two to four of those fake plates to be able to do these. So I feel like in today's world, where everyone takes photos of each other
Starting point is 00:27:02 and for sure everyone knows who Brad Castleberry is in the fitness world. So if he walks in, you're taking a photo if he's carrying plates, right? I've done this long enough to tell you this right now, 100%. I'm not saying that there aren't people that are fake and I'm not saying that there are people
Starting point is 00:27:16 who take lots of gear and all that stuff. But when I was younger, I was convinced that anybody who did anything remarkable, it was because they took lots of drugs or because it was fake. Yeah, that's true. And then I worked in gyms for decades and I met actual, not a lot, by the way, to rare to see this, but I met actual people
Starting point is 00:27:36 that seemed to be different than that. They were not the same species. I'm assuming. Just crazy. I knew a guy that looked like he was like 200 something pound, like 210 pounds with skull crushes, 225. He would bench four plates like it wasn't even there. I knew a guy was 160 who would bench 500 pounds and it would come off his chest like, what
Starting point is 00:27:55 else? Well, that's what I tell people. I get still to this day. I get DM'd and tagged like, do you think this guy is natural? I said, I don't even try and guess anymore because of that exact reason because I've been proven wrong on both sides enough times that it's like it's not even worth it. I'm even worth to say you're trying to speculate like, is that person right now?
Starting point is 00:28:11 There's so many YouTube channels and people out there trying to like point these things out. I know what the inside, you know, it's really about us that we care that much. Yeah, I don't know because you don't want to feel bad about yourself. Yeah, I don't know. Like the difference if Brad Castleberry is squatting, you know, 300 pounds to 900 pounds, it doesn't make a difference on how I feel.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I mean, no matter what they do it's strong, right? Like he's strong no matter what. You know what impresses me about him? Not what he lives. Oh he's athletic, yeah. When I see him do kick flips on skateboards and sprint jumps out of the pool and does all that stuff. Yeah, that's what I'm like.
Starting point is 00:28:44 All right, this dude's a freak. Yeah, that's what I'm like. All right, the students are freak. Yeah. So who cares if he squats a hundred pound less than what he's saying? Like, come on, dude, it's still a lot. You know what it is, dude? It's a hard lesson or reality check. When you finally realize that you're not,
Starting point is 00:29:02 there's no way you're gonna be great in certain things. You know what I mean? Like you see a football player and you're playing football and you're a kid, maybe you're not, there's no way you're gonna be great in certain things. You know what I mean? Like you see a football player and you're playing football and you're a kid, maybe in high school, maybe at your high school you're a bad ass. And then you reach a certain level and you're just like, oh, I'm never gonna be. Oh, I had that in college.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Yeah, I said, thanks for being a good guy. He looked at you when he said that too. I was a threat to him. He was like, okay, it's fine, dude. I was a hero in high school, right? Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, that was awesome. And then I got into college and I was like, I the fine, dude. I was a hero in high school, right? Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, that was awesome. And then I got to college and I was like,
Starting point is 00:29:27 I was just fucking surviving. You know, just like trying not to get my hand ripped off. Isn't that crazy? You would have like, what a slice of humble pie that is, Justin? Like, you could be like this total badass in your school and then you get to college and then it's like, and then imagine the next level. Well, exactly, that's not gonna bring up
Starting point is 00:29:44 because like, and then imagine the next level. Well, exactly, that's not gonna bring up because people always think, they don't really consider NFL athletes for what they really are. You know, the 1% of already the 1%ers. You know, it's like the ones that make even Division 1 college football, which we played one team that was a Division 1 legit and like right as they turned to a Division 1 team
Starting point is 00:30:04 in a bowl game, they just destroyed like, we're little babies out there. Like, I was running as fast as I could. Like, I was hitting as hard as I possibly could. And just, nothing. Like, you know, there's a different level, you know, a different type of human that, you know, it just kind of keeps going up. The scale gets more intense, the speed gets faster, all that stuff. Dude, I remember there was a world champion
Starting point is 00:30:29 or high level ranked Jiu-Jitsu guy that came into the Jiu-Jitsu school. And by this point, I was a purple belt, and black belts definitely more often than not would beat me. But because I was strong and I was decent, I could hold off a lot of black belts for a certain amount of time. I could at least give them some struggle, but I was going against guys that were, you know, local champions or local competitors.
Starting point is 00:30:51 This dude comes in from Brazil and it was embarrassed. I was, it was such a, I remember I went home and I had to really like deal with my pride, like I had to sit there and think about it. Cause it felt like every time he touched me, I tapped out. Like it was silly. Everything I did, I wouldn't even tap out. Sometimes I'd scream.
Starting point is 00:31:10 And then he would let go because he was so, it hurts so much. And I remember thinking like, this is stupid because in real life, think how fun it was for that guy. Yeah. He can hear. Bro, I feel like you could have been eating a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:31:22 I mean, I feel like you could have been just eating a sandwich like this. Oh, so much power. Yeah. So embarrassing. Yeah. I was talking to our friend of ours. I can't remember his name right now.
Starting point is 00:31:31 He was a Greco Roman alternate. So in the Olympics, alternate meaning, you know, he almost made it to the Olympics very, very good. Yeah. He went to Russia and got to spar with the Russian bear. I can't remember his full name. I can't remember off the top of my head. But anyway, this guy is the most winningist
Starting point is 00:31:50 Greco-Roman wrestler of all time. And maybe Doug can look him up. The Russian bear Greco-Ressler. I hope he was hairy. And the guy at the time, the Russian wrestler now was retired. So he's like 50 something years old. And again, my buddy's an Olympic alternate. He says that every time the guy put his, that's not him.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Oh, Alexander Carolyn, thank you. He says every time Alexander just put his hands on him, like just to mess around. He said he would leave bruises on his arms and shoulders. And he's like, this is not the same thing. Yeah, that guy right there, I think one, he was undefeated for, I don't know how many decades. He just, nobody could touch him or whatever.
Starting point is 00:32:29 Yeah, you don't even want to practice with that guy. Yeah, dude, so it's like, it's a different part. There he is, look at that. Oh man. Speaking of wrestling, bad. That reminds me of story. I don't know if I share this with you guys, and I don't know if it'll make the Dillf Wisdom series
Starting point is 00:32:41 that we're doing. We're doing a series called Dillf Wisdom that is releasing Zoom, where I've interviewed some dads. Some Dillf Wisdom series that we're doing. So we're doing a series called Dillf Wisdom that is releasing Zoom where I've interviewed some dads. Some Dillf's. Some Dillf's. Dad's in love with fitness, right? Some dads that have built businesses. And Joe Dessina, I was one of the ones that I interviewed
Starting point is 00:32:55 already, and he's always got great stories. And one of the questions that I was kind of challenging him is that, because Joe is like, we know, he's like super hard on his kids, right? He's like, he's the one who's like, inspired me as a new challenge. Yeah, I talk about manufacturing adversity because of him, right?
Starting point is 00:33:10 He talks about that a lot with his kids. And so I tell him, like, man, don't you ever worry though, that you're trying so hard that they're gonna revolt when they get older. And his response back to that is out and they don't know any other thing. I keep them around that. All of their culture, all the people they're around.
Starting point is 00:33:27 And he just, he's like, for example, last week and we just got back from, and I don't know who the name of the guy is. He's supposedly supposed to be like the, the baddest dude of wrestlers. He can't, he came from what college? What college did Joe go to? Do you guys remember what college Joe went to? No. Cornell.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Yeah, I don't recall. Yeah, I think it was Cornell. So I think that this wrestler I think is out of there because Joe has to? No. Cornell? Yeah, I don't recall. Yeah, I think it was Cornell. So I think this wrestler I think is out of there because Joe has ties there still. And so, and he's supposed to be like one of the best up-and-coming wrestlers in the world right now. And so, Joe takes his kid over there
Starting point is 00:33:58 and spends the night with his dad and the son. Like, I mean, he just has this access to all these like great people. And that's how he kind of shows his kids. And so he can see besides their dad, how their dad's always challenging, push them. And one of the things that he talked about that I thought was really, really cool is it is Cornell, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:16 So it's Cornell. So he goes to this guy's house and you know, the kids getting to listen to the training of this dad. And one of the things that dad did really early on was went out and got a NCAA wrestling mat and I think like an Olympic mat so the kid could see already like collegiate level wrestling mat and the Olympic level wrestling mat. That's what they trained on since he was a kid, to already sort of condition him to like that's normal for him to be rolling around on a mat like that.
Starting point is 00:34:45 And they have this down in the basement. And you guys know the 10,000 hours rule, right? Like that's what they say it takes to be considered a master. And so he presented that message to his son at a very early age. And so they began to track it. And so inside the basement wall where the mats are
Starting point is 00:35:03 and they wrestle is little hash marks for every single hour. Oh, wow. That they've spent. They put it in there. Yeah, until he's got up to over 10. They're great visual. I know, isn't that like, I heard that.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I'm like, oh, that is so cool to do something like that. Teacher kid that early on that, hey, man, we got a long ways to go before we consider ourselves a master just kind of chipping away at it so we could see something like that on the way. You know what I think is really along those lines, what's a really good smart thing, just based off of other fathers I've talked about, who did this as kids themselves, are missions.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So where they, in high school for a year, or at a high school for a year or so, they'll go, and it's usually tied to their church, but it didn't have to be, and they'll go off, and for a year they'll go, you know, help feed, you know, the homeless or build houses in Central America or do something like that. I feel like that's a really good way to kind of ground your kit, you know what I mean? If they grow up in your house and you're successful and have everything provided,
Starting point is 00:36:00 to have them go and serve for a year or something like that. And that's usually what the dad's telling me. They say it was really, it was hard, but it was really valuable because it made me grateful for what I have. And you know, more, I think. I even talk about it all you want, but like really, you need to immerse yourself in it sometimes for them to get like true perspective of that. Yeah, I totally, I think along those lines of like,
Starting point is 00:36:21 how to do that and like, you know, where to introduce that and win. And I think it's like super invaluable for kids to learn that. Just to watch it. Oh, Doug, I wanna ask you, I wanna bring this up now, because you were texting us,
Starting point is 00:36:34 like was it maybe like a week ago? We can sell him out right now. I'm not, I mean, I just, I'll say is for his 4 a.m. Debacle, Doug was testing Zbiotics. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:36:47 You're throwing me under the bus here. Yeah, the text is, hey, I'm smashed guys. Well, in my own defense, I don't drink a lot as a general rule, but I did this one time. Yeah, I don't want to throw the other person under the bus either, but a friend I hadn't seen for a while. I invited up to Truckee and we went up there and I knew he'd like bourbon, so I brought two vials of ziotics. And so before we started drinking, we both took our ziotics and then we started hitting
Starting point is 00:37:20 the 750 milliliter bottle of bourbon. And we sat outside by the fire, beautiful evening, drinking bourbon, catching up, talking about all types of things in the past. And next thing I know, that bottle's empty. The whole bottle. The whole bottle is empty. And then Justin had another bottle in there
Starting point is 00:37:42 that was about a third full. It's thrown into this. No, God, you make some great old fashions, I gotta say. Justin had another bottle in there that was about a third full That's what I mean to this No, I mean You make some great old-fashioned, I gotta say So anyway, we knocked off that bottle as well. Oh my god And then we looked at the time was 4.30 a.m. When you responded in my text Sounds like a great deal to me. I needed some like the information for house stuff And I was texting Doug and like I didn't hear back from that guy. I wake up in the morning
Starting point is 00:38:04 There's a response to like 4.30 in the morning. Yeah, I'll get to it tomorrow. So, we go to bed. I had presence of mine to obviously turn off the fire and lock the doors. I can't believe I did that, right? Right, I went to bed and slept solid till noon.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Normally, if you drink a lot like that, you wake up, you don't sleep well. I slept solid till noon. Normally if you drink a lot like that, you wake up, you don't sleep well. I slept solid until noon. We both got up and both of us were tired. We felt tired, but none of the typical hangover things, like the headache and that type of thing. And then we took off, we went down to Lake Tahoe
Starting point is 00:38:39 in the whole nine yards. Unbelievable. So this and your friend same thing. We're totally the same. And then what's the fact, he goes, give me the address whole nine yards. That's amazing. Unbelievable. And your friend, same thing. Totally the same. And that was the fact. He goes, give me the address that you are for that because I want to buy that. He lives in an area where there's a fairly affluent area.
Starting point is 00:38:55 And during COVID, they were having this social distance hour every single day. All the neighbors were coming out and having drinks. He goes, the neighbors are going gonna go crazy over this stuff. Do you know that's been a thing? So I have a client, oh client of mine, that she does that every Friday. So all the things. But they just sit outside.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Yeah, they have a cold assack where the neighbor and they all sit like six feet apart. And they're like that. I know, that's kind of cool. I like that. I don't want to try that one. Yeah, there's more neighbors that are doing it. I didn't realize that was a thing right now. So when Doug told me that, I was like, oh wow, I guess she's not the only one. I like that. I want to try that one. Yeah, there's more neighbors that are doing it. I didn't realize that was a thing right now.
Starting point is 00:39:25 So when Doug told me that, I was like, oh, wow, I guess she's not the only one that's doing that. By the way, I don't recommend doing what we did. Yeah, that's a lot. But if you do do it, definitely drink the Z-Biotic beforehand. Doug, the jug, the jug, the jug, speaking of genetically modified, because that's the bacteria and Z-Biotic's genetically modified
Starting point is 00:39:43 to do that, the world and zybotics genetically modified to do that. The world's first approval or first country has approved GMO wheat, she has noticed. So wheat has not been available as GMO at all, contrary to popular belief. A lot of people think wheat. I thought it was too. No, wheat is modified, but through traditional means of breeding or other ways.
Starting point is 00:40:05 But this is the first GMO wheat. Now, here's a deal with GMO products. I'm not opposed necessarily to GMO products. It depends on the product and how it's modified. For example, GMO corn, the corn itself probably doesn't cause any issues. The issue I have is that they are sprayed heavily with glyphosate and it's a glyphosate residue that I have an issue with. But this GMO wheat is not genetically modified to withstand herbicide. It's designed to be resistant to drought.
Starting point is 00:40:41 So this particular wheat, which is brilliant, I think, this is when I think science can do some pretty amazing things. This particular wheat, it's an Argentina, by the way, that approved it. This particular wheat under really like bad drought conditions will produce 20 to 30% more yield than normal wheat, which is huge. That's a massive, massive improvement. And if we are indeed experiencing more droughts and changing climate, which seems to be the case, something like this can totally be pretty awesome. You know what the challenge is?
Starting point is 00:41:20 What's that? The worry that people won't buy it because it's GMO. Just because it's GMO. Yeah, so what are we gonna do about educating the public or whatever, because it's gonna crash How the worried that people won't buy it because it's GMO. Just because it's GMO. Yeah, so what are we gonna do about educating the public or whatever, because it could crash on the market? Because people might not want to buy it, but isn't that interesting? Yeah, no, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Yeah, I totally would have assumed it was already created before, so that's new to me. No, no, yeah, I know Jessica too. She actually, we got a little debate about that. I was talking about, she's like, GMO wheat already exists. I'm like, I remember when they patented corn, right? The GMO corn, and made that a thing,
Starting point is 00:41:48 and you're like, you can't say it's corn then, right? Because that's, see, that's not an Argentinian. I think they have to say it's GMO. Okay. See, what they did in the US is they made it so that GMO foods don't need to say that they're GMO.
Starting point is 00:41:59 So people were buying it without even knowing, knowing, and that's how they were able to penetrate the market. I mean, do we need that much more wheat? Or we, I mean, what's, what is it? Why produce 20 to 30% more? Drop the cost. So make it more, make it less expensive, increase the yield, probably use less land to produce the
Starting point is 00:42:16 same amount of wheat. So it's just more efficient. And, you know, of course, if you have good distribution, then you're able to, that helps people who need food more. More efficient, but not natural. Do you think that's always the best route? I think it's, we're probably in a position where that's it. I mean, think about this way.
Starting point is 00:42:35 Wild caught fish, like we're fishing the ocean so much that we're probably gonna farm fish the way we farm animals in mass. I mean we already do, but going out into the wild, for example, and hunting animals to feed most people, we can't do that because we would feel everything. We've rigged all that system of hunting and fishing, and to be able to give us more yield, so that only makes sense.
Starting point is 00:43:00 I mean agriculture in general is not natural, right? We plant crops and figure out how to get them to yield more. So it's just part of that process. But as long as they're not spreading them with too much glyphosate, I think it might be okay, but we'll see. See what happens. Hmm.
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Starting point is 00:43:40 This clause brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance at the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Hades Grey 9. Is it okay to only do compound exercises like bent over rows, chest press, squats, etc.
Starting point is 00:44:18 And leave out isolation exercises like bicep curls, tricep extensions, etc. What do you think, Justin? Yeah. That's it. Definitely. It's not, I mean, yes, it's totally okay. And isolation exercises will help you add more volume to certain muscle groups. We'll help you with development.
Starting point is 00:44:36 You'll probably build a little bit more muscle, but compound exercises do most of the work. They do most of the work with muscle building and fat burning and strength gain. In fact, this is how I trained a lot of my everyday average clients who came in a couple days a week. They wanted to just be healthy and be strong and be fit and be mobile. And rarely would I do a lot of isolation exercises, mainly I would focus on the compound stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Like for example, if I'm taking you through a workout and we do squats, rows, bench presses, overhead presses, and then I look up at the clock and I have 10 minutes left or 15 minutes left with my client. I can choose another compound exercise or I can choose another one or two isolation exercises. I'll probably go with the compound exercise. Yeah, it's funny.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Ironically, I'm doing the opposite these days, but yes, this used to be my go-to in terms of like always leaning heavy on the compound exercise is only doing the isolation ones when I felt like I was just trying to get ready for the beach or something, you know, to highlight more muscle definition or whatever. But in terms of what I got me the most bang for the buck
Starting point is 00:45:46 and the most strength and the most efficiency in my workouts was always geared around focusing my workouts around these compound lifts, squats, overhead press, dead lifts, what have you. Well, it's very simple why, why this is true because you cannot get strong or good at an overhead press without your triceps getting developed also. Like you're not going to push, you're not going to get stronger doing it.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Like if you just, so I think that's an important thing to note though when you talk about these compound lifts, it's like you still want to have a goal of getting stronger doing all those lifts. And if you do get stronger as a side effect, you're going to have, you develop your triceps. If you get good at pullups and you get it good at overhead presses, the tricep and the bicep are both going to develop.
Starting point is 00:46:32 It's just part of it. It's just part of it. You can't get to a place where you're pressing 180, 200 pounds up over your head, or pulling your body weight 10, 15 times, or with weight attached to you and not think that your biceps are going to develop from the pull-ups and not think that your triceps are not going to develop from your overhead press.
Starting point is 00:46:50 That's the beauty of it. And the thing is when you do the isolation exercises, you don't get any other adabinifits to other muscle groups. You're getting it to that one specific muscle group. So it makes sense to me when you're somebody who is trying to develop an area like you, you're talking about aesthetics or you care about the way a muscle looks. And so that's your focus. General population, most of my clients
Starting point is 00:47:09 that were coming in to lose body fat and build a little muscle, just want to be healthy, have a balanced physique. They're like, hey, that's what we want to do. We do mostly compoundless. If you have somebody who comes in, says something specific, like, Adam, I want to work on my triceps or my arms.
Starting point is 00:47:26 I wanna develop my arms more, or they have a specific, or they're butt, right? If you have a specific body part that you wanna target, there's then absolutely we utilize isolation exercises and they do have value. But for the majority, if you were to just do those movements and get really good those movements, the bicep of the tricep would go.
Starting point is 00:47:44 And saving you time, I swear it's funny because going back into these isolation moves and how much time it takes me to get through these workouts, it feels like forever. I mean, in terms of me just doing a five by five where I'm just focused on five exercises and I'm sort of in and out within 30, 40 minutes. Now I'm really honing in on isolating
Starting point is 00:48:04 and it takes me a good hour, hour, 40 minutes. You know, now I'm like, you know, really honing in on isolating and it takes me like a good hour, hour, 20 minutes to finish. Yeah, I mean, look at like, for example, look at gymnasts. They have some of the most amazing biceps in sports aside from bodybuilders, right? Gymnists don't do curls. They do a lot of pull ups. They do a ton of pull.
Starting point is 00:48:20 They have amazing triceps too, but they do a lot of dips. They don't do a lot of tricep press downs. Isolation exercise are great to add extra volume. They're great for things like pre-exhausting and connecting to certain muscles groups. So I'm not saying that they're not valuable, but if I had to pick one or the other,
Starting point is 00:48:38 I mean, it's hands down, compound exercises, hands down. There's no competition. The next question is from the realist. What are the best sources of carbs? In my opinion, the best sources of carbohydrates are the ones that are the... Petitism rice. The easiest to digest.
Starting point is 00:48:54 The ones that you can eat and not feel bloated, not have any gastro distress of any type. And in my experience with clients and even myself, the two sources of carbs that seem to do that well, where you can get your starchic carbohydrates, you can get the fuel for your workouts, and also have great digestion, even if you eat a lot of them, like if I work with clients who need a lot of carbs, is white rice, very easy to digest for most people, and sweet potato. Sweet potatoes, the other one,
Starting point is 00:49:28 when I eat a lot of sweet potato, I have great digestion. That's not always the case with other carbohydrates. Like if I eat a lot of oatmeal, oatmeal is okay as a source of carbs, but it could definitely cause bloat and digestive issues if it push it too much. White rice and sweet potato,
Starting point is 00:49:44 I'll say are probably the two best ones. staple carbs for me when I too much. White rice and sweet potato, I'll say, are probably the two best ones. staple carbs for me when I was competing. White rice and sweet potato, although I did use oats, I did use oatmeal, oatmeal does work pretty well for me. I think that's the answer though, what you just said is that it really depends on how your body responds to it. There's some people who are fine with bread,
Starting point is 00:49:59 some people do okay with that. If you do okay with it, you don't have that just- I haven't met a lot of people though. I have, I think, at least so when I was in the competitive world, I met a lot of people that utilize bread and it worked for them. And it's like, if it works for you, it works for you. But I think that's what matters. I think what matters is learning,
Starting point is 00:50:16 but you also have to be consistent enough to be able to measure like, okay, how's this affecting you? Exactly. So that's the first step. And I personally, what I found with myself and of my clients, it's the ones that you just listed. Sweet potato, yams, rice, quinoa does really well. Also, those tend to be some of my favorite sorts of carbs. And then vegetables, right?
Starting point is 00:50:36 So if you're eating your greens and veggies, then a nice color diversity of carbohydrates with rice and sweet potato potato yams, quinoa, like that was like my staple. Yeah, I have trained some endurance athletes and endurance athletes probably have the best case for higher carbohydrate diets. Many endurance athletes just perform better when their diets are very high carb. That's not to say that they shouldn't have a decent amount of protein too, but because their goals endurance carbs tend to be the more important macronutrients, so long as they hit their basics. And I've worked with clients who were endurance athletes who got a lot of their carbs from
Starting point is 00:51:20 pasta. And they would eat lots of pasta, which comes from wheat. And when they work with me, I would have them experiment. And I'd say, can we, let's try switching to white rice or quinoa-based pasta. So rather than the wheat-based pasta, let's do pasta that's made with quinoa or rice. And let's see what happens.
Starting point is 00:51:43 And I'm trying to think right now, I think every single time there were positive results. Like I think almost every single time what I got back from them was, oh my God, I feel my digestion feels better. The gastro distress, I've had the same with athletes. They didn't even realize it was there because they're feeling like it was fueling their energy
Starting point is 00:52:02 for these long bouts of intense activity. And once you started to switch that up and get more from something that was easily digestible, it made a massive difference in their performance and the longevity of their energy. Yeah, we, you know, we has compounds in it that the plant produces to to disencourage animals from eating them. So with wheat, you have to grind it and cook it. You know, is that what Paul South, you know what I was talking about on Joe Rogan? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:35 That was interesting, a shit to me. Yeah, I mean, how it doesn't happen until you actually bite into it and then it, then it, oh, that was something else. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it wasn't wheat, it. Oh, that was something else. Yeah, I thought that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was it wasn't weed. It was vegetables.
Starting point is 00:52:47 It was something else. Yeah, I thought that was really fascinating. Yeah, but no, with weed, you can't just pull pick wheat and eat it. It would destroy you. You have to really grind the shit out of it. Ancient cultures used to also ferment it, which would break down some of the gluten and other compounds to make it digestible. Rice, white rice, they already remove the,
Starting point is 00:53:07 the hole or whatever. It's like brown rice harder to digest than white rice. White rice, they remove a lot of the part of the plant that makes it harder to digest. What you're left with is easily digestible starch. And this is why white is superior to brown, right? That's a question. That's just all time.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Yes, because on paper you think brown rice is better. Oh, it's got more fiber, more nutrients. But it actually has anti-nutrients that can cause your body to absorb certain nutrients less. It's harder to digest. So the reality is, forget what it says on paper with certain foods, you want to remove the parts that can potentially make them hard to digest.
Starting point is 00:53:43 And so white rice is much easier to digest than brown rice and white rice for most people is much easier to digest than wheat based products. Next question is from Eric Summer Hayes. I see a lot of professional athletes, mostly baseball players that are overweight. Would those players be able to increase their athletic abilities by dropping some body fat? Or is there actually an advantage to packing on extra weight? This is a cool question. Just a must have picked this question.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Yeah, you know, near and dear to my heart. Yeah. No, I like the fatty athletes out there. I like this because I there's there's um I've heard both sides argued really well and and I can see where, you know, let's take someone like a Pablo Santa Ball, right? Who's got like a lot of extra weight on him? Super athletic, though. Yeah, right? And then you can't deny it.
Starting point is 00:54:33 And then you have to ask someone like that, the way he crushes a baseball, if some of that extra weight is used into his benefit for momentum. Now, would he be a little bit more agile at third base that if he was 20 or 30 pounds lighter? Sure. I can't help but think, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Sure, I could see that. But then he also might not hit the ball as far if he was smaller. So there's, I think there's places, and then same thing with like lineman, right? If you had a lineman who weighs 300 and something pounds, but you made him lose 50 to 60 pounds, he would be much more agile.
Starting point is 00:55:05 He'll be faster, right? But then would he be less of a movable force and would he be as dominant as alignment? So yeah, it's an interesting idea because I've seen, I've seen like both kind of perspectives like so. I've seen Lyman that actually like you think they have to just be big. They just have to be massive and you know, a movable where I've seen some Lyman that actually, you think they have to just be big. They just have to be massive and, you know, ammovable, where I've seen some Lyman that might have, like, smaller stature and, you know, a smaller body,
Starting point is 00:55:33 but they're very powerful. And the way that they can snap and move and the athleticism has knocked these big ogres on their back. And it just, it depends on how you are grounded and how much snap that you have. And so for me, it's all based on power output. Doug, will you pull up a picture of Aaron Donald? I wanna see what his physique looks like.
Starting point is 00:55:58 So I think there's a, I think you're right. I think there's a point, right? So I think there's a point where it's too much. How do we judge that as viewers? It's what's really taught. I'm pulling up arguably one of the best right now, right? So look at this, if you change to, if you change their body weight,
Starting point is 00:56:17 and it's gonna change their mechanics, it's all gonna get effective. So they're gonna have to relearn a lot of these skills in their smaller frame. And so that's something to consider when something like a Pablo is going back and now is going through swinging in the mechanics of it, that whole weight distribution is gonna change.
Starting point is 00:56:37 So there's the best lineman in the game right there. Yeah. So he definitely don't look fat. No, no, he looks powerful. He looks powerful as hell though. You you know what it's way more complex than the black and white this person's lean this person's fat Therefore it's way more complex than that like for example when you look at like weight class Based sports like wrestling or mixed martial arts for example You may see a heavyweight you may see two heavyweights One of them kind of looks a little soft, big guy, right?
Starting point is 00:57:08 The other one is shredded and muscular and you might think to yourself like, oh, the shredded muscular guy has the advantage. Okay, now let's pretend that they have equal skills, like the skills are identical. Not necessarily, maybe the really buffed lean guy had to like force and build his body to be a heavyweight. And the other guy, it's kind of soft.
Starting point is 00:57:24 He lives at that bodyweight, super comfortable with it. He's not stressing and build his body to be a heavy weight. And the other guy, it's kind of soft. He lives at that body weight. Super comfortable with it. He's not stressing and pushing his body to be that heavy. He's just a naturally big dude, in which case, he's got the advantage. He's totally got the, you know, Fedor or a million goal was like that. Look at a doughy. And he would just- He didn't think he'd have the gas tank he did, but he could go forever.
Starting point is 00:57:41 No, so it's way more complex. What's his face? That's the local. That's- Can you have the last question? No, no, no, no, no. I've got him too. Yeah, so it's waiting for a complex. What's his face? That's local. That's. Can you give the last question? No, no, no, no, no. Well, him too. Yeah, him too, but I'm thinking of, why can't I think of his name?
Starting point is 00:57:51 AKA guy right now. Yeah. Just did his last fight. I mean, he has one of the best gas tanks in the game. Heavyweight, both light. Mark on. No, come on, bro. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Jesus. It starts with a C. Why can't I not think of his name right now? I can't believe I'm drawing. When you have a brain fart, it's contagious. I see that, dude. It's terrible. I'm a dog. Please.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Oh my God. Light heavyweight and heavyweight UFC champion. Fucking straight out of San Jose. And either, that's so terrible. It's like, well, I'm a kid. I'm a kid. Thank you, Daniel Carmiade. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Thank you, Jesus. That's a perfect example, though. French names are hard. Look at the, look at what he looks like dude. He does not look like he is. Well I'd say it's way more complex than that and then Justin made an excellent point that if you're good in your body and you think,
Starting point is 00:58:38 oh like if you're a chubby guy or girl and you're crushing at your sport, don't think if you just get lean, you're gonna be better automatically because you're good in your body. You lose weight and change the shape at your sport. Don't think if you just get lean, you're gonna be better automatically because you're good in your body. You lose weight and change the shape of your body. You've changed the body. Now you're not as good at moving and using that body.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Like you were with the other one. I went through a period of this where I felt like I had to get bigger just because my coaches were telling me for the inside position, you're gonna face guys that are 3.50, 400 pounds like coming off the block and you know, you're gonna face guys that are 3.50, 400 pounds coming off the block and they're gonna smash you.
Starting point is 00:59:08 And so you have to get bigger in order to be able to stand your ground at this point. And I believe them. And I thought that I had to gain at least 30, 40 pounds or I was gonna get messed up. And I did and I did not play anywhere near as good as I did 30 pounds lighter than that. And I should have just listened to myself
Starting point is 00:59:26 because really it was about getting stronger. It was about getting more powerful, having more snap being there first, like predicting the outcome before they even could see it. So that, to me, is way more advantageous. And you know, I think intuitively, you know what body weight you're, you know, most efficient at. And what body weight you're most efficient at.
Starting point is 00:59:46 And I think a lot of people kind of find that themselves. Yes, and we tend to confuse extreme aesthetics with health and performance. There's a wide range of body fat percentage that is healthy, right? So for a guy could be 8%, he could be as lean as 8%, or as high as 18%. By the way, if you saw a picture of a guy in 18%,
Starting point is 01:00:07 totally different, right? One, he looks dead bodish, maybe even a little heavier than that, the other way he looks, you got a six pack. And you could say, well, the 8% guy is healthier version. Not necessarily that range right there doesn't make that big of a difference. There's a lot of other factors that determine health. And within that range right there, you could be very healthy or unhealthy.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Go outside of that and then you start to run into some problems. Same thing with athletic performance. You can't necessarily look at a guy or girl and say that they're going to be really good or bad. I mean, you can in extreme cases, like I can look at someone like they're probably not going to run very fast, you know, they're, you know, four foot seven or whatever, but you could, but outside of that, it's hard to tell. Now, the certain things that I might look for,
Starting point is 01:00:51 because I'm a trainer, I might look at like someone's hip development, upper back development, that usually means that they have some good power. Is it a guarantee? No, I've seen far too many times, somebody who looked like they should not be powerful and fast and completely.
Starting point is 01:01:06 It's like the steroid talk. Yes. It's like the steroid talk. I've been wrong on both sides. So it's like it's too hard for an outsider to speculate, oh, he's 20 pounds or 30 pounds over a way. Now that being said, I think there's also, there's extremes versions of this. Of course.
Starting point is 01:01:20 There's definitely athletes that come in. They sign a big contract. Yeah. And they're locked in. They get lazy. Yeah, and they get lazy, and they come in the next season, 15, 20 pounds per space. Yeah, yeah, right, right. So they come in, so it's not saying that,
Starting point is 01:01:34 that everybody, the size that they're all coming in at professional sports is probably the best size for them. That's not true either. There's definitely people that, like I said, sign contracts, they know they've got a deal for the next five to ten years, and they get lazy. They get lazy on their training and their diet, and they probably put on a few extra pounds, and had they not put on a few extra pounds, they'd be a better athlete. So their examples of both sides.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Next question is from AMR1514. Was there ever a time you felt that you failed as a personal trainer or as a leader? What did you learn from it, and how did your life change? Was there ever a time you felt that you failed as a personal trainer or as a leader? What did you learn from it and how did your life change? Oh gosh, I failed as a trainer so many times, especially early on, and especially when I would figure out that I was doing something wrong, and then looking back and feeling really bad for some of the stuff I did. I remember when I first became a trainer, I was going through and reading a lot about intensity and how important intensity was for training.
Starting point is 01:02:30 And I remember I had this one guy that hired me and it was this engineer, dude, and he wanted to build muscle. And I would take all his sets to failure plus force reps because I thought, this is what triggers muscle growth, right? This is what's gonna get him to succeed. And I remember after a couple of months,
Starting point is 01:02:49 he started to get injured and he didn't feel good, but we kept pushing. He eventually stopped working with me and then it was only a year later that I realized that was not the right approach. The one time that really stands out for me, I've told the story on the podcast before in the past, but till this day, if I ever find this lady,
Starting point is 01:03:06 I'll apologize to her. She hired me to lose weight, and her husband and her hired me, and I trained them separately. And at this time, as a trainer, I would have people track their food, and I would give them macro goals, and I would test their body fat every two weeks and weigh them and take their measurements every two weeks.
Starting point is 01:03:24 I was one of those trainers, right? And I would do that with her, and she was reporting to me, and I would look at her meal plans and stuff. She was reporting to me that she was following my macro advice, like to the T, and she was doing everything that I was telling her. And yet, every other week, I would test her body fat
Starting point is 01:03:42 and look at her measurements, and at first, nothing changed, nothing changed, nothing changed. And then she started gaining weight. So I cut her calories, changed her macros, and she gained more weight. And then I cut her calories and more. And she gained more weight. And I remember thinking to myself, this is impossible. And then her husband, who I also trained, told me, maybe he shouldn't have, but he told
Starting point is 01:04:03 me, goes, you know, I I'm gonna be honest with you, so he goes, she's not being honest on her meal plan. And so I thought to myself, okay, cool, tomorrow, when she comes in, I'm gonna have one of those hardcore talks with her, I'm gonna call her out and tell her how it is, and that's gonna motivate her, or she's never gonna come back,
Starting point is 01:04:20 and that's too bad on her or whatever. So she walked in, I sat her down, and I said, you're lying to me whatever. So she walked in, I sat her down and I said, you're lying to me and she said, no, I'm not. And I said, a bunch of stuff and I said, look, if you're gaining weight on this many calories, then we need to study you because you're the first human being ever on the face of the earth to create tissue out of nothing. It's such a dick.
Starting point is 01:04:40 I'm showing her the law of thermodynamics. And basically showing her, you're not telling me truth. And I said, look, you're the serious you're not. If you lied to me, you lied to yourself, the whole thing, right? Blue her out. Okay. She never, she left and I thought I was so satisfied. Oh, you know, I told her now she knows that, you know, now she can't lie. She knows whatever she never came back.
Starting point is 01:05:00 And I remember at first, I was pleased with myself. You know, yeah, you know, if they lie to me, they're lying to themselves and they're not serious. But about a month went by and I kind of felt bad and then I thought to myself and I said, you know, she was at least showing up twice a week. She'd never worked out before. Maybe she was lying because I was such a hard-ass
Starting point is 01:05:22 about everything and so she felt like she couldn't be honest with me. But she was still showing up. She was still showing up. And now what I've done is I've completely ruined her experience of fitness. She finally took the step to work out, finally had the courage to come in, and she experienced the shitty experience with the trainer that told her she was a liar and that.
Starting point is 01:05:40 She's not good enough. And now she'll probably never work out. And I remember feeling totally like a big piece of shit afterwards So this still to stay even talking about it feel terrible and I and that was probably that's the one time that stands out the most As a time that I failed because later on if I had that same client I would make them feel comfortable with telling me that they were having a tough time with eating a particular way And we would work through it and I'd make them feel supported and I would be proud of the fact that they were having a tough time with eating a particular way. And we would work through it, and I'd make them feel supported, and I would be proud of the fact that they were coming in
Starting point is 01:06:07 twice a week, because that was more than what they were doing before. But instead, I probably ruined somebody for at least a while in terms of working out. So you definitely did. Yeah. Yeah, I had a problem with intensity too. Yeah. That was like a big one in the beginning beginning because you think that it's relatable. It's something that everybody really wants to get after it.
Starting point is 01:06:30 And I come from this sports background where that was definitely the talk of the day. It was always a mindset issue. And so I was always trying to get my clients into the mindset of wanting more and wanting more intensity and then being able to really get after their goals. And I thought that was if I'm not getting them in that mindset, then I'm failing, you know, like I'm not getting them to really want it and get after it. And I was training this lady and we were actually doing pretty well. Like she was showing up and we were getting good results. And I figured that, okay, you know, it's been at this level. Let's kind of turn it up a little bit,
Starting point is 01:07:15 you know, turn the notch up a bit. And she came in one day and she, you know, if I was a good trainer, I would have picked up on this right away. Like she's just having an off day. Like, some happened outside. I don't know if it was with her work or family, something. Like, it was just off.
Starting point is 01:07:31 And my basic go-to was, okay, well, let's push through it. You know, and so we're like working out. And she's doing all these exercises. And of course, back then, you know, asshole me would combo everything, you know, and so she was like doing a lunge, but not just a lunge, a lunge with a bro, you know, or like a squat with a press. It was all before CrossFit and all that.
Starting point is 01:07:53 And I was doing it with dumbbells, like in place, but it was super intense. Like it was just one thing after the next, after the next, and then she just, like, mid workout, just stops. It was just bust out crying. And just like crying and crying, crying. I love to see how you would have handled that.
Starting point is 01:08:08 And I was just like, oh, I just sat down. I didn't know what to do. And I'm like, what, like, you need some water? Like, what do you want for me? You know water. Yeah, it's got some water and she cried and she was like, I can't, I can't do it today.
Starting point is 01:08:23 And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. Like, I, I'm sorry. Like, I don't do it today and I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't know, okay, let's sign out. You know what I think? She just laughed and then she didn't come back. It just was too much, mentally, physically, all those things. She never came back and then I saw her again
Starting point is 01:08:39 years later in gold when I was off on my own. Working with a coach for... No, she was just like, she said, she said, that was just too much for me and like I just couldn't, I'm like, I get it, I'm sorry, I apologize to her for that, but it was like, one of those things where I just was totally oblivious, I just, why aren't you in the mindset like I am. Oh, man. So I felt so much as a trainer, I can't think of a single story to give you.
Starting point is 01:09:06 I'll give you a leadership once since these guys did both trainer stories. And because I just shared this, I did an interview the other day and somebody asked a question that was related to this. I thought it was good. I had this moment about 25-ish where I decided to, I had read the book One Minute Manager, which I've read that and then I read another book that I can't remember the name of the other book. The other book did all this data on surveys they'd done for the Fortune 500 company, CEOs, and how they managed and led. One of the things that I was taught when I got into leadership and management was, you know, you evaluate your staff. If people are not following the rules,
Starting point is 01:09:51 are underperforming, you coach them up, you make them better. And so that's how I looked at my team up into this point. I looked at my team and, you know, this trainer is not doing as well. I need to sit him or her down and coach them up and make them better at what they do. And thought I was doing the right thing. And then I read this book one minute matter, which I think everybody, if you're in a leadership role, I think you should read this book.
Starting point is 01:10:14 It's a day read. And it really completely flipped the way I led from that point on on its head. Like it totally changed the way I spoke to my trainers and how I led my staff. And this was in every aspect going forward too. And the premise of the book is basically, instead of looking at your staff
Starting point is 01:10:36 and looking at the things that they're not doing well, is make it a point to find the things that they are doing well and always point that out. And I thought, well, that's interesting. I said, but how do I, how do I measure this? Like, how do I change this way of leading and really measure if it's effective or not? And so, and I have shared this on the podcast a long time ago, where I would take my palm trio, right, dating myself a little bit here. I take my palm.
Starting point is 01:11:03 Stone tablet. It's a palm trio out. I speak on it, right? Andrew, you know what that is? You know what palm trio, right, dating myself a little bit here. I take my palm. Stone tablet. It's take my palm trio out. I speak on it, right? Andrew, you even know what that is? You know what palm trio is? He doesn't even know, does he? So, this is before I. I'm grandpa.
Starting point is 01:11:13 Yeah. This is like the first digital calendars, right, before iPhones and stuff. And I put all my trainers names in there. And then an alarm would go off. And so, you know, Justin Justin's name it would pop up at two o'clock and so what I would do number one yeah so I would yeah I was the best. I would head over to Justin at that stop whatever it was I was doing and I would make a point
Starting point is 01:11:36 to thank him or point out something that he had done recently. I've been tough for Justin. Yeah I don't like that stuff. Thanks Adam. Let me get back to work. So I did this and I and I did it very consistently for a couple months before I recognized what how powerful it was and I talk about the moment that I knew like holy shit like this was like a game changer for me right there. So that's saying that we use all the time. Kid named Anthony comes walking to my office. There's like two months after I've been doing this.
Starting point is 01:12:10 He walks in my office and he just starts telling me all the things that he hasn't done right. And he's one of my good trainers, right? I need to get caught up on my files and I'm so sorry of this. I've had finals at school and he starts telling me, giving me all the excuses why he hasn't done certain things and why he'll be better. And it opened up the opportunity for me to say, okay, well, let's work on this
Starting point is 01:12:31 or let me help you here and coach up. And he walks out of the, man, that was really strange. And I'm like, why did he do that? And I realized that I had missed his walking over to him and saying what a good job he was doing for that past week. So the first, he was the first guy, the first staff member that I had let seven days go by without walking over and telling him what a good job they're doing. And it blew my mind that he had come to me with everything that he was doing wrong.
Starting point is 01:12:59 And it was at that moment that I realized how powerful that was because I know that when you tell somebody to correct something or you coach them up, when you, when you come at them and you tell them, you point out something they're doing wrong, you're, it's like a one in 10 chance that it actually sinks in and they adjust and they change things. Maybe you got somebody who is very self-aware and they do that. Most people get defensive, whether they act defensively or internally, they put a wall up and they don't receive any information versus when someone comes to you and says, Hey, Adam, I've got a problem or hey, I'm not doing a good job. They're actually admitting that
Starting point is 01:13:34 they have an issue or they're not doing a good job. They're looking to be coached up or they're looking for help. That way of leading completely changed for me. And that was a mistake that I did for years, leading up to that point. And when I made that switch, I never had to work nearly as hard as I worked for the first five years as a leader. And I was two to five times more successful going forward.
Starting point is 01:13:56 You know, that's really smart because it's actually human psychology. So Dr. John Gottman, by the way, if you want really, really good relationship advice for you and your spouse or your partner, look up the books and research by Dr. John Gottman and without going to too much depth, his research has been duplicated many times over proving the stuff that he originally came out with. So it's legit. And one thing that they say is that there's this ratio
Starting point is 01:14:27 of good to negative, there's this good to negative ratio that couples that last for long periods of time, or the winners or whatever he would call them, that they would have. And it's five to one. So they thought going into the research that one to one would be good. At least half the time, the comments should be positive
Starting point is 01:14:48 to balance out at least the other half of the negative. But no, they found that couples that succeed were five to one. So if you're criticizing or have complaints to your spouse or your partner about like, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, hey, do that, you did that wrong. What they found is that there needs to be five, it's five times as many positive things to balance out every one of those negative things,
Starting point is 01:15:13 and it's just human behavior. So that actually is, I can't remember the book, I wish I were in the book, but that's similar to the survey that I read, right? So the survey that I read in the previous book before Women and Manager showed that the 500 most successful CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, they were asked a question like as far as positive affirmation with your staff
Starting point is 01:15:36 on a scale of one to five, five being perfect, one being terrible, what would you rank yourself as far as that type of a leader in a CEO? And of course, all these great CEOs raid themselves at four or five, right? So they came out to an average of like 4.2 or 4.5, like a really high number, they all raid themselves. They asked all the employees of those CEOs,
Starting point is 01:15:56 the exact same question if they're leader, and the score came out to be like 2.2. So the takeaway that I got from that was that, because at that point in my career, I thought I was one of these guys already. I'm a very positive person. I do a good job, I at least I felt like I do a good job of congratulating my staff or pointing out the things
Starting point is 01:16:13 they do well. I was not a negative leader whatsoever. So I heard, but when I read that, it made me go, wow, even as much as I think I do it, I am not doing it nowhere near enough to make that ratio positive for the person who's receiving it. So in the book, one minute, it doesn't teach to do what I did.
Starting point is 01:16:30 I just, the information that I learned from that first bit of research, which is similar to what you're talking about. And then the one minute manager strategy, that, what I came up with was my own thing, right? That was my own way of kind of measuring that because I realized, wow, I think I already do that. But if these guys, running these massive companies, this is what their staff is. What is my staff think about me? Got to be the same thing. It's all about the perception and human behavior.
Starting point is 01:16:53 It's like negative comment, ways heavily, and positive comments don't wait nearly 70, heavily. So you have to have this offset ratio. Jessica and now we're talking about some friends of ours who are, they just had a baby. So they're having, you know, some challenges in the relationship. By the way, every couple I've ever known, we just had a baby has challenges.
Starting point is 01:17:13 So that's, you know, number one, that's totally normal. But the, I guess the wife was telling the husband something he wasn't doing or whatever. And he responded and he said, can you tell me something I'm doing right? And I'm like, well, that's, he's probably, he's probably feeling, it might not be true, but the negative to positive ratio feels way off.
Starting point is 01:17:34 Yeah, so he feels like all I'm doing is everything wrong. It happens. Tell me something I'm doing right, tap it to the other end. It's an easy thing to happen. I mean, if you're just focused on that and you're looking for it, you're gonna find it. So it's really just about both sort of reframing their ideas around it and trying to focus on the positive.
Starting point is 01:17:50 Well, that's the other thing that I found really powerful about leading this way was, if I did, Anthony was the first example of when I went aha, like, whoa, I'm on to something. And then what I realize going forward is because there's time, there's definitely times where you catch something that you've got to, you've got to nip it in the butt
Starting point is 01:18:07 or you've got to say something immediately, I can't wait for them to come to me. And but what I found because I did so much work into making sure that everybody on that team was getting heard from positive things from me every single week multiple times that when finally they did fuck up, you know, five, six, seven weeks later,
Starting point is 01:18:23 they'd already heard me talk about how great they are. 15 times that when I dropped the hammer that one time, it wasn't like, oh man, that was always ragging on me. Bullshit. I've already told you all these great things that you're doing. You're not doing this. That's not great. This is not a great thing right here.
Starting point is 01:18:36 So it became way more powerful when I did come over and correct, or when I did come over and say that point out something that they didn't do well, and it just had so much more weight when I had made an effort to go out of my way to keep continuing and saying good positive things to these people. Awesome. Look, mine pump is recorded on video as well.
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