Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1413: The Exercises That Promote Lean Legs & Build the Butt, How Calisthenics Boost the Metabolism, Exercises That Make the Abs Stand Out Like Bricks & More

Episode Date: October 30, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about exercises for women who want to build lean long legs but also want to grow the glutes, whether calisthenics promote...s the same metabolism and testosterone boosting benefits of weight training, specific exercises that help build the muscles of the core, and the best exercises to superset. The Di Stefano’s are still on baby watch! (4:26) Adam took an L. (6:20) Mind Pump on Kanye’s latest interviews. (11:43) Doug’s first selfie, circa 1986, making waves. (21:35) Mind Pump on the brilliance of the movie Her. (25:10) How melatonin can trigger labor. (27:41) Adam on learning how to fly fish. (30:02) Lord Newsom and the crazy winds in California. (33:46) Mind Pump Recommends, Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix. (35:27) You need to calm down. (38:10) Arthur Brooks for the win. (39:14) The shadowban conspiracy theories, navigating through media & MORE! (41:27) Organifi is providing high-quality ingredients and tasty treats. (47:02) Mind Pump x Legion. (48:03) #Quah question #1 – What exercises do you recommend for women who want to build lean, long, but not bulky legs? But, also want to grow their glutes? (49:25) #Quah question #2 – Do calisthenics promote the same metabolism and testosterone boosting benefits of weight training? (55:18) #Quah question #3 – What are some specific exercises that will help build the muscles of the core like every other muscle in your body? (59:00) #Quah question #4 – What are the best exercises to superset to get the most work in during my time in the gym? (1:03:05) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Special: MAPS Anabolic and No BS 6-Pack Formula October Promotion: ALL MAPS Products 50% off!! **Promo code “OCTOBER50” at checkout** Joe Rogan Experience #1554 - Kanye West My Next Guest Needs No Introduction With David Letterman Having A High IQ Puts You More At Risk Of Mental Illness, Study Finds Her (2013) - Rotten Tomatoes: Movies Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Unsolved Mysteries | Netflix Official Site Us (2019) - Rotten Tomatoes: Movies Mind Pump #1175: Dr. Arthur C. Brooks Arthur Brooks | Love Your Enemies (04/02/2019) Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Organifi Pumpkin Spice Granola Recipe Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Mind Pump TV - YouTube 3 Butt Building Exercises You Can Do At Home - FREE Glute Building Guide How To Build Your Butt - Free Workout Program The (2) BEST Ab Exercises You’re NOT Doing Properly (STRONG CORE) | MIND PUMP The 20-Minute Full Body Superset Workout That Hits Everything (TRY THIS) Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Doug Egge (@mindpumpdoug) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Chase Chewning (@chasechewning) Twitter Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf) Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You're listening to Mind Pump the World's number one ranked fitness health and entertainment podcast. And in this episode, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by listeners and viewers just like you. Now the way we open the episode is with an introductory portions where we talk about current events and scientific studies. Today's episode has a 45 minute intro. After that, we answer the fitness questions.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Now what I'm going to do is give you a rundown of the whole episode. Here we go. So we started by talking about the fact that my baby still isn't being born because they're taking their time. Little brat. So comfy. Then Adam talks about his cute foot pajama Halloween costume. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Adam lost the battle. Then we talk about Kanye West and his strange interviews. He did one on Letterman and then one with Rogan. Then we talk about the world's first selfie. Doug. Doug actually took the world. So if you wanna see what Doug looked like when he was 21, very handsome.
Starting point is 00:01:07 By the way, actually go to his Instagram, mine pumped Doug, he just posted his selfie from back then. Then we talk about the movie Hurts, an old movie, but Justin really enjoyed the sex scene in it. Oh yeah. Then I talk about how Melatonin can help trigger labor and how my wife is wearing blue light blocking glasses all day from Felix Gray to help make that happen.
Starting point is 00:01:28 By the way, we work with Felix Gray. Go check them out. Go to FelixGrayGlasses.com. That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com forward slash mind pump. By the way, you get free shipping and free returns. Then Adam talks about learning how to fly fish. We talk about the crazy wind that happened over the weekend. We talk about the show Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Justin brought up road rage. I talked about my friend Arthur Brooks. That's happening. One of the best men I've ever met. We talk about other people getting shadow banned on social media. They're getting crazy with that right now. Then we talked about organify a company that we work with
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Starting point is 00:02:59 This person wants to know what exercises we recommend for women who want to build long lean, but not bulky legs and a bigger butt. The next question, this person wants to know if calisthenics promote metabolism boosting and testosterone boosting, like weights do. The third question, this person wants to know what some of the specific exercises that we recommend for building the muscles of the core and the final question. This person wants to know what some of the best exercises
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Starting point is 00:04:10 Again, 48 hours left. Just go to mapsfitinistproducts.com. One more time. Mapsfitinistproducts.com and then use this code October 50. That's October 50 no space Hey guys, I'm sorry. I was late this morning. Oh, yeah, what are you doing? I was trying to trigger labor Oh with the wife exact wait a
Starting point is 00:04:35 Sacks yeah, I don't know man. It's kind of you it's like I'm conflicted about it. I feel used. Oh, yeah, it's sex right You know, I mean, yeah, you're too old. We're waiting dude nothing weird Wow, so I read that only 2% of women have their baby at 42 weeks. We're not there yet We still got some some time, but um, but yeah, now baby's nice and comfortable I yeah, they are and I don't know if you guys knew this but if you 42 weeks, you can't have your baby at home with a midwife. The laws won't let, don't allow it. Really? So now what I'm really curious about,
Starting point is 00:05:11 because you guys have obviously paid for this, you've been using the midwife this whole time, they've been incredibly supportive. And now the hospital rules are really weird, where you can only have one person in the labor room. So does that exclude the midwife too? It would just be me. That is bullshit. I know.
Starting point is 00:05:26 That is bullshit. So you mean you went through this whole thing of having a midwife and there's a possibility you may not even get to use her in the in the labor room, which in my opinion is one of the most valuable parts. Correct. Now is there ways that they can help move things along with you guys? Yeah, so they did recommend like walking and sex and relaxing and jumping on scaring her scare the baby out yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:05:50 yeah, I'm gonna close it yeah yeah they what I don't you feel like it's something to do I feel like you're so good that would be one of my ideas I'm pretty sure I read this so where yeah, scare the shit out of you so I actually just thought
Starting point is 00:06:02 so one time I got scared and I farted. So I figured this would help. No, the one of the other things that they'll do is castro oil. I guess castro oil is like a natural, a natural thing that can help. Makes it greasy in there. F***ing no. You have to eat it. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Speaking of filling castorated, did you see my Halloween costume? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, that was, yeah, that was a crazy transition. That was an awesome transition right there. I'll go, I'll go. Hey, someone else had it. You lost, bro.
Starting point is 00:06:31 You lost the battle. I did. It's a full bad mind. I completely lost. So you were, what's your character? So you were, you were a first of all, I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't supposed to be anything. So we went up for my buddy's birthday, right, up to the house. And it's his, it's his 40th. And we also have Halloween, right, so right around the corner.
Starting point is 00:06:50 And we have all the kids there and all the kids are, you know, max is one and a half, the oldest is two and a half. So they're all young and we're like, well, you know, Halloween doesn't seem to be on. I don't think they're going to take the kids out anywhere. So let's do like a Halloween thing for the kids at the house. I'm like, okay, cool, I'm all gay for that. But I'm also thinking, okay, we're not going on anywhere or we're at the house, there's no need for me to dress up.
Starting point is 00:07:11 We'll get my son dressed up, we'll dress all the kids up. And so, good thing. So you were like, I'll cool them out. Yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna be chilling. Yeah, yeah, so I'm out, I'm out of this. And then so we actually had bought Max, and I think I shared this in the show already, the Maverick outfit, so he was gonna be top-gun, right?
Starting point is 00:07:27 So we got all that. You were gonna dress up as the jet. I was gonna do nothing. We did be goose. We'd be dad. It was gonna be a dad for a week. Nobody wants to be goose. Yeah, it dies.
Starting point is 00:07:36 We'd be dad for Halloween. So I got the memo on the way up to, up to Truckee that, you know, hey, I got you your costume. And I'm like, whoa, I thought we agreed that I didn't need to do a costume. I'm like, no, no, no, no, hey, I got you your costume. And I'm like, whoa, I thought we agreed that I didn't need to do a costume. I'm like, no, no, no, no, I want you dressing up. I want you dressing up. And I'm like grumbling, right?
Starting point is 00:07:51 And then we get there and she pulls it out. And I'm like, you did not. She's, she made a Sesame Street and I was Oscar the Grouch for an outwanted, I mean, that's appropriate. It is so, it is so, you should have been like, babe, I'll just, just dress normal. It looked like, it looked like You should have said, you should have been like, babe, I'll just, just dress normal. It looked like big pajamas.
Starting point is 00:08:07 You have a lot of. Is it giant onesie, dude? Is it giant onesie, dude? We didn't have a little face. You weren't a big bird. No, I know, right? I'm not a sock. I feel like that would, I was like cool
Starting point is 00:08:16 with Oscar the garage. I'm like, that's okay, you know, that's put have been better. So she was cookie monster and he was Elmo. So, and he actually did okay. I thought he wasn't gonna keep it on, but he kept it on, was running around the household time, and then my other buddy's kid was like Johnny Bravo,
Starting point is 00:08:31 like the race car driver, he had like the full race car and helmet and everything. Get up. Johnny Bravo. Yeah, isn't it Johnny Bravo? No, no, no, no, speed racer. Speed racer. That's what it is.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Johnny Bravo's the cartoon where the Duke comes. I have the big race. What's the other one? What's the other one? There's another race car one that I thought was then we were trying to figure this out the other day I thought it was John it's not Johnny Bravo. I thought it was Johnny something Johnny Quest. No Judge the red white race car speed racer. It is Speed racer. It is what's his name? Sweet I don't know. I didn't watch it. Did you guys watch Speed Racer? No, I mean, I knew of it, but yeah, I didn't care for it.
Starting point is 00:09:07 I knew the song, but that's about it. That wasn't one of my go-to's. No, no, definitely. It wasn't like Thundercats. Yeah, no schnarf in there. No, I wasn't interested. I showed Jessica, so Hulu has the original Thundercats, which to my delight, I mean, I'm scrolling through and I see it in,
Starting point is 00:09:27 Jessica's like, why are you so excited on my Thundercats? Did it hold up or, because I watched He-Man in the old school one and I was like, I couldn't believe how feminine he was. Yeah, I had no idea. Well, that's before he turns into He-Man or whatever. Right, yeah. Yeah, it's good. I mean, it's good. It kind of stands up a little bit
Starting point is 00:09:47 But I showed Jessica and she's like this sucks. Who's this cat snarf? But now This is weeks later now. She'll randomly be like snarf You know, it's a lame show that I tried to introduce my kids was saved by the bell I used to like have all these memories of that that show and it's like, oh yeah, dude, kill like a palski, you know, listen, and my kids are just sitting there like, look at me, like, does so boring in the name. Yeah. Really? I'm like, you're right. So totally cheating. So I was watching it with my kids too, trying to get them into it. And then there was an episode where Slater dances. No! Do you ever watch Slater dances?
Starting point is 00:10:26 No, but I need to watch it. So, I don't know why they thought this was normal. Slater dances, there's like a dance competition between him and someone else. Okay. And he does ballet, that's his go-to. Like he twirls and stuff, which catches you off guard. Cause you expect Slater high school dude,
Starting point is 00:10:44 he's not gonna do that and he does He bust out the thing Wow and the crowd is like well You think maybe your kids aren't into because they're too young is that because it's more high school drama stuff, right? Like relationships and breaking up and like who's dating who it's really cheesy Is it bad? Yeah, it's bad. I wasn't a lot when I was a kid me too. It was my show, dude Yeah, but it but I were different times But I think we were like junior high in high school, right? We're like you weren't that young. It was junior high
Starting point is 00:11:06 Yeah, cuz you're look cuz they're all high school kids and you're in junior high So you looked up all that shit. Well was weird is what screech the guys what's the name Dustin diamond or whatever? What he did after what do you have to or he did a porn and then he fought somebody? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Danny by Gucci. I don't know that. Yeah, dude. Yeah, you guys stay up all that stuff. It's just weird when you're almost screeched out. I got it from like everywhere. Yeah. So how much later after a say by the bell was done, did he do that?
Starting point is 00:11:33 I have no idea. He needs some money though, I knew that much. Yeah, and he's kind of a big goofy dude, wasn't he? Yeah. Cause he was like a little nerd in that thing. And did either one of you guys listen to Kanye's interview with Joe? No, I did not. I was gonna do that on the way over here.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Was it any good? It was not. Okay, so I. So I watched his interview with David Letterman. So I want to hear how he was with Rogan. Cause I got some comments. Well, okay. Well, first of all, Letterman is the G.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Right, in my opinion, he's one of the greatest interviewers all the time. Did you watch on the Netflix? I did. Oh, good. I'm glad you're watching that. It was not good. Oh really? So either was, okay, so I was, I have somebody I've
Starting point is 00:12:11 fall, I forget his name right now. He's married to some famous chick and so he's got a massive following and he smokes weed and he's a fit dad. He's cool, like, so I fall. Right, so naturally. Yeah, right, it's a little prank on a preface, right? So I have Instagram respect for this guy right now, right? So I'm like, he posts like, oh man, the Kanye West interview was really good.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Him and his wife washed his. So I was like, okay, well, maybe it's better than what I expected it to be. So I put it on the drive home. I had a three and a half hour drive home. I was like, oh, it was a perfect time for Joe Rogan podcast. So I put it on and it's fucking terrible. And why it's so bad is Kanye is, he is so scattered brained.
Starting point is 00:12:59 And I also is weird. He is. And I think too many people have told him he's brilliant. Oh, yeah. Because he and he is musically musically, he is absolutely brilliant. And because I think so many people have told him brilliant, he thinks he's brilliant in all these other things.
Starting point is 00:13:16 That's right. And so he starts talking about stuff. Like Joe would ask a question. And by the way, like I would, so you know what, after hearing that interview, I would love to interview Joe to ask like, what was going through his head when he's listening to this guy? Because I can just imagine being,
Starting point is 00:13:31 being someone who does interviews, right? It's stressful when you have got somebody who is just not stringing anything together, right? You're asking, you feel like you're asking the right questions and you're probing really well, and they are just left, right? Right, left, right. Did you feel uncomfortable listening to it?
Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah. Yeah, that's how I felt with the Letterman one. So at one point him and Letterman are kind of going at each other about politics. And he, and then there was other times when he's going off and his facial, so if you watch it, this Jessica and I both watched it. And she was just as uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:14:04 If you watch it, you'll notice that Kanye's facial expressions don't match like what's contextually appropriate. So almost like, and you see this sometimes with people who don't, who have trouble reading other people, and you could tell like, Letterman will say something that's kind of funny, but he would, he would kind of make this weird face or he'd have this weird smile at times Well, that was inappropriate and so you could tell that he's just not he's not a hundred percent and he does talk about He's thinking of other things all the time. Well, he's just he just kind of strange But at one point the one good part of that interview is he said because you could tell he's aware that he's not like normal. Right.
Starting point is 00:14:45 And he said, you know, y'all like crazy music, you all like crazy creativity, but you never consider that probably comes from crazy people. So you could hear that he's like acknowledging like, yeah, man, I'm weird. Like I'm not. Yeah, I thought Joe, Joe like just pumps his tires like the whole time. Like I think, I think Joe felt uncomfortable for that exact reason. He's talking to himself and he's getting weird feedback. So if you're like again, I would love to interview Joe.
Starting point is 00:15:12 I can't imagine the feelings that are going through Joe is he's asking a question and then he's getting those weird facial responses and then he's going all over the place. And then Joe, and then you could see Kanye will a lot of times when he doesn't need to be, he'll get defensive over something. Joe's just really probing and trying to learn more about it and he gets more defensive
Starting point is 00:15:32 than he gets rattled and it makes him go more left and more right. Then Joe would reel him back in and be like, well, I don't know why people think you're crazy because I think you're really good. I was like, oh, God, Joe, I'm like, dude, he's trying to, but you can tell what he's doing. He's trying to calm him down so he doesn't get, does the interview doesn't get worse. You know, he would interrupt, real, tell him that he is a smart guy and that this is just how his brain works that he's, he's downloading all this information at once and it's, it, that's how it comes out. You know, he's bipolar. Did he talk
Starting point is 00:16:00 about it on there? No, he didn't talk about it. Well, at least not the hour and a half that I made it through. Yeah, he talked about that on the Letterman interview. And then, do you talk about it on there? No, he didn't talk about it. Well, at least not the hour and a half that I made it through. Yeah, he talked about that on the Letterman interview. And then, so you listened, you didn't get to watch. No, I had it on YouTube, but I was driving so it was a watch. So when you watch, one thing that I noticed, and you see this with some artists,
Starting point is 00:16:18 is there were, he had a tough time making eye contact with David Letterman, but at moments, he would talk to the audience, and then but at moments he would talk to the audience. And then he would talk to the audience. So Letterman would ask him a question and he'd answer, but he'd look at the audience and then start doing his preaching thing. And you could tell he felt more comfortable. You see this with artists sometimes where like Michael Jackson was like this, right?
Starting point is 00:16:39 He on stage seems like he's comfortable, charismatic, and just whatever. Then you interview him and he's super awkward and weird. Yeah. So you tend to see that sometimes with people like that. We're very talented in one area, but they're just so weird with their... I mean, did you get any political stuff out of it? Like why he even decided to go so hard in that position?
Starting point is 00:16:59 So Joe did talk about politics with him, but even that, I can't even tell you what he is, because he's got some, he's got some, he has some very conservative, because he has, he openly talked about being saved and being a believer in God and being a Christian and everything like that. So he has some really conservative views,
Starting point is 00:17:19 but then he has some really wack ass liberal views. So he's like all over the board. So he, and which, just again, while he can never win like that, you're never gonna win, you're never gonna win a side if you're like on both sides. So I couldn't follow. They can command her in chief.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Imagine that. Given the nuclear launch codes, no thanks. Yeah, and then he went on a theme music. He went on a tangent too about like all the conspiracy theories of like how other famous people have died and how, you know, they were trying to medicate him and like, it's just, it was not good, dude. It wasn't even entertaining.
Starting point is 00:17:49 I was just sucked into it. So what happened to me? This is like, the hell of funny. So I set it up on my dash. I told you guys that the wind was so bad last night and I'm driving. And the phone flew across the car and into the passenger side floor.
Starting point is 00:18:04 So it was already going. And I'm on the freeway and it's like, I'm and into the passenger side floor. So, and it was already going. And I'm on the freeway and it's like, I'm driving 80 miles an hour plus. And I'm like, I'm stuck. I was stuck listening to it, so I had to stop a gas. So I listened to about an hour longer.
Starting point is 00:18:15 For a car engine, yeah, exactly. I'm like, well, I would have turned it off already because it was so bad, but I'm like, okay, well, maybe it gets better. And I'm not gonna pull over just to grab my phone, right? I'll just wait until I get gas.. Now do you just save me two hours? So thank you.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Now on his album, it's either his album or something he posted. They showed this on Letterman because he, it's either on his album or something else. I don't know, but it says, it's a quote. And I think it's a brilliant quote that kind of highlights what bipolar quote. Yeah, it says, it's his last album for last. Yeah, it says something like I hate, I fucking hate being bipolar, it's awesome. Like, it's so highlights the two sides of that mental situation or whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Lyrically, the guy is a genius. I mean, he says things that are powerful, have deep meaning. And so I get where the brilliance comes from, like musically. And I get what Joe was trying to say because he's got all this information that's coming to him. And he just, and he did say this,
Starting point is 00:19:12 so in his defense, and then I thought he articulated a decent was, you know, that he's just getting all this information and he's just honest. And so he just says what it's on his mind. He thinks this way, he feels this way, he just says it. And I think what happens when you're someone like that is you're fearless about just speaking your mind
Starting point is 00:19:29 and sometimes brilliance comes out. And sometimes it comes out and some hip hop song, you know what I'm saying? So while you're saying this, and I've talked about this before, about how high IQ tends to be strong, or more strongly associated with mental disorders. There's an article that I,
Starting point is 00:19:47 because of that, because I watched his interview, because he is brilliant in one aspect, which is music, and there was a study that I pulled up, and there were some theories as to why. And they said that they think that people with higher IQs tend to have more mental issues because they have higher levels of awareness, they react more to stimuli from the environment, which creates a hyperbrain,
Starting point is 00:20:11 hyperbody scenario where they display a hyperactive central nervous system. And so this, they think, is one of the reasons why people tend to, who are higher IQ, tend to have more issues. That's how Joe said it. He says, you know, a lot of people think that about me. He says, I have a lot of energy. He goes, you have a lot of energy. And when you focus it in directions,
Starting point is 00:20:32 you get a lot more done than the average person. And so you don't want to stifle that. He's like, so I don't think you're crazy. So he kept telling him that. Have you guys ever known anybody who had really bad bipolar? Yeah. I'm sure it on the pocket. Oh, you did?
Starting point is 00:20:44 Oh, I did it a girl like he did. Oh, yeah, that's right. I didn't know what I was signing up for until I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, no, she's marijuana to Medicaid herself, too, and if she didn't have that, then it was all that. When crazy, yeah. Yeah, I had a client that I trained, and he, I was training him, and then I noticed like, his energy was ramping up
Starting point is 00:21:03 with each style training, like like three days a week. And then by the third workout of that week, he was like pitching like the most wild ideas to me, brought all these plans that he wrote out, like the things that he's gonna do, and I'm like, this is strange. It's not making sense anymore, it's kind of weird, and then that was it.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Then the very next week, I get a call from his parents that he was, they had to put him in one of those places, a medical hospital or whatever, because he believed like some just wild crazy stuff. I get a call from his parents that he was, they had to put him in one of those places, medical hospital or whatever, because he believed like some just wild crazy stuff. So, kinda crazy. So ramps up, yeah. It does, kinda crazy.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Anyway, what did you guys think of the world's first selfie that we saw? Did you guys see it? Yeah. That's for self. What? That picture. Oh, the world's first selfie.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Yeah, dude. In front of a mirror. This is a young and young person. First of all, that Doug, you were hauled from this picture? I think that was about 21 at the time. So a couple of things. Number one, extremely handsome.
Starting point is 00:21:54 I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna hang out. No, for real. Number two has swag, dude. This whole time. He's got his collar on. He's been hiding his swag. Yeah, this whole time, dude. He's got a gene jacket, polo.
Starting point is 00:22:03 He's got the pomp collar going. He's got the, you know, saved by the bell hair going on. Like, he's this whole time, dude. He's got a gene jacket, polo, he's got the pomp collar going, he's got the, you know, saved by the bell hair going on, like he's got it all, dude. Straight out of an ajo video. But you're taking a picture of yourself, which nobody did really back then. Was that a thing or what? What did you invent?
Starting point is 00:22:17 No, I invented it, actually. Thank you, right? Everybody can say thank you. You're a gift to Instagram. Yeah. So what were you doing at that at that age 21? 21 I had I think I just finished college at that time and I was kind of at a crossroads in my life. I got my degree in business focused on accounting but I hated accounting and so I believe I took
Starting point is 00:22:42 a job as soon as I got out of college selling industrial cleaning chemicals Door-to-door to companies How much I hated accounting so bad accountings right there I had my my old roommate was in the accountant from for Deloitte to that's the one job I would never so he I'll never forget we lived together We're in our we're same age, 22-ish or so. And he, he rented a room for me, just had just finished college in accounting and was, and he got a great job in San Jose at Deloitte and Tuch.
Starting point is 00:23:12 And we come home every day from work and, and talk and man, he wouldn't get home till like 10 o'clock at night for like a 10 plus hour day. And I'd ask him about his day and know this is literally every single day of his life for a year. He's like, he would tell me I made photocopies all day long. Like that's literally what they do. Like they just, so like your first year is of like, you know, you interned underneath like another like for 10 hours.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Yes. Just he basically is like running around for other accountants and doing what they tell them to do and all along before he snapped like an office base. He did. He did. Bro, he split her machine. He ended up leaving the Bay Area. And it was a great job, right? So like, I guess the track is like within five years,
Starting point is 00:23:52 you're making a quarter million plus, you're now within like range of being a partner and stuff. Like, I mean, the track to make really good money is there, like in that position. And so he kind of knew like, oh, if I just buckle down, but he would, he's, after a year of it, he's like, come out. He left that career completely, moved the Napa, he'm like a wine manager. You know, like, I went down that direction, never looked back, dude.
Starting point is 00:24:14 That was mine. So one of my very first jobs was that I got a job at a mortgage company as a kid. I was like 16, maybe 15, 16. And they hired me temporarily to make to make double copies of all of their mortgage files. So I would sit in our office all day and I would take their file, I take out the staples, put them on the machine and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, could you imagine me doing that? Yeah. And so I'm going to say I'm going to say this right now, with full confidence, 100%,
Starting point is 00:24:48 a good 90% of those files are missing stuff. I'm just gonna say it right now. Because, shit with jam or whatever. I could have taken, fuck it, put it together. There was a lot of phone calls that were in the day after you were done. So, somebody said, hey, can you pull up my mortgage file? It's missing half the signatures.
Starting point is 00:25:04 What did they call it, dude? That was because I couldn't take it. Also, dude, so you're the one that recommended her, the movie. Yes, yes, okay. You said it was, it wasn't a good movie. You finally just watched it? Yeah, well, I watched the whole thing. And no, it wasn't a bad movie.
Starting point is 00:25:20 It was interesting, but there was some scenes in there that were like really uncomfortable, dude. Yeah,. So yeah, it's sex with that. So she's like trying to have sex like in his ear, you know, because she's not obviously there. And so they're like like talking their way through the whole thing. And it's like a pretty long scene with Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlet Johansson. She's the voice. Yeah, she's just like like soothing him through this whole like, oh my god, we're just like, I can only imagine if I was watching that like my parents next to me. I kept my skin when I just ripped off my body. Now tell me that movie didn't depict AI in probably one of the more realistic ways. Yeah, well, here's the thing with the
Starting point is 00:25:59 AI part of it. I think that honestly, they were just like basically therapists. I mean, isn't that your take on the ending of the whole thing? They were and then the part that man who spoil our alert right here's the part that I thought was pretty old I think there you go. You do a spoiler word on a movie that's like 12 years old. You probably forgot about it There's like David Sally ruined it for me. No, here's the thing. It's not this like apocalyptic AI, gonna kill them. They are AI machines or technology. They'll just disappear into the internet, which is what they did.
Starting point is 00:26:31 So I felt like that was realistic. No, the great part about like good sci-fi movies like that is someone or some of it is gonna be right. Right, I like the thing that I had seen that I thought was really original was Westworld's idea of the virtual therapy. I think that similar to that, the her, had a similar concept. That feels very realistic to me, right?
Starting point is 00:26:56 You are going to have all kinds of book, Instagram, tweets. You have so much written and verbal content that's recorded of you. It should not be hard to create a AI version of you, how you would respond and answer to like 90% of questions probably asked of you. And so how cool is that for your kids' kids, potentially, when you're long and gone, to be able to communicate with you? You know what?
Starting point is 00:27:23 Create an avatar of yourself that lives on. Yeah. What a cool way to listen to history, huh? Well, it's like Superman. Remember when Superman goes to his crystal palace and he puts the crystal in and his dad shows up. Yeah. It's like it's AI, that's what it was.
Starting point is 00:27:35 So it is. There were the first ones to do it. Right. Yeah, there you go. I haven't thought of that. There you go. Hey, I forgot to say this. This is something that's interesting as well.
Starting point is 00:27:43 So I talked earlier about Jessica trying to get this labor started. Melatonin. Melatonin actually helps stimulate labor. You guys know, this is why women tend to have babies at night. So she's where I'm having a wear of the- That's the reason, huh? So she's wearing Felix Reyes now all day. The night ones all day. Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Because it calms the body and I don't know what the theory is. I guess it tells the body it's okay to have the baby now, it's a night, you're maybe hidden or whatever. So I'm having to wear the night ones all day long to see if that helps. And that's because it kicks up militant production, right? Yes, because it'll kick up militant production
Starting point is 00:28:18 or at least prevent it from getting suppressed as much as if you were exposed to lots of light. So you have the daytime Felix Gray's, which block a lot of the, this is just for the audience, right, for block a lot of the damaging blue light, but they don't block all the blue light because you need some of it to stay alert. So if you're wearing blue light blocking glasses during the day, you want ones that are made for the day. Otherwise, you could find yourself getting sleepy at work or in front of your computer. The nighttime Felix Grey ones, those are the ones that block most of the
Starting point is 00:28:48 blue light that encourage sleep. So there's two types. I noticed such a difference of the two. Yes. So she's wearing the nighttime ones during the day because we're trying to get as much melatonin as possible to make this thing happen. Yeah. So you do notice a difference between us. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. It's a big difference between the two of them. I, the way I look at it is if I am Because there's times when I'm working on the computer phone late at night But I need to be working and I know I'll be on it for hour or two hours or more I don't want to be nodding off. I'll do that
Starting point is 00:29:15 So I'll wear the daytime ones even though it's nighttime because I'm working still what I notice about that is that Even when I'm when I'm done working and I pull them off and I decide to go to bed I actually can still get to sleep pretty quick. The different now, if I were to wear the nighttime ones and be working, I'll be nodding off one working. It only takes about a half hour to an hour of having those on. Actually start to fall asleep.
Starting point is 00:29:37 Yeah, it'll get me, I'll get sleepy from it. So that's what's cool about the two difference. And so then when there's nights, when I know I gotta get to bed early because I got a bit early morning the next day, I put those suckers on really early, and then I go to sleep early. I need them to just look at your sweatshirt right now.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Yeah, do your waist sake. Dang. Bro, you're at the rest of it. Right. You're like a bumblebee's wet dream right now. What's going on here? Yeah. Was this all part of the whole like fishing, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:03 I saw you doing some casting. Oh, dude, so I went fly fishing this. It's harder than it looks, huh? It's way harder. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's hell of hard. Did you get anything? No, my buddy was just practicing, right? Yeah, so we took lessons, right?
Starting point is 00:30:17 So I wanted to actually go get, have somebody who does this, right, to teach us. And so the like first half of the day, you don't even go to the water. Like it's just learning how to cast. It's just 10 and two. Yeah, it's just learning how to cast the entire time. This guy over here.
Starting point is 00:30:30 I know. Let's 10 and two, bro. Should I be cool? Let's say that's where you drive your car, bro. Yeah. You have to know how to some more lingo. Yeah, you guys, that's not fishing lingo just and that is driving with driving.
Starting point is 00:30:42 It's a driving instructor, Lingo. Yeah. No, isn't that like back at 10 and then two? Like, yeah. No, no, that's not it. Yeah, you actually, it's one o'clock. One o'clock is as far back as you want to go. You get the wrong time, dude.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Yeah, well, yeah. But I had to throw it out there anyway. But what I, you know, I learned a lot. It was really cool. And it got me all motivated to go get my own and practice because oh Here we go. Yeah, now you're gonna spend a shit on mine now. I don't think it fly fishing now I don't think it's that crazy expensive. I think way more expensive. Oh, I don't know Justin's YouTube says 10 to 2 Yeah, so maybe you maybe that's maybe that's what you didn't catch anything
Starting point is 00:31:21 So is the idea to make it flick it over the water like it's flying in a sector? Right, right. So thanks, Doug. That's a welcome. The thing that is really, so you have my, the four of us guys that all did, and all of us, I would consider it, well,
Starting point is 00:31:36 maybe not today anymore, we're all 40, but we used to be athletes, right? So the idea of picking up technique and form, and the guy was like, oh oh man you guys are really good but we weren't that good at all um you know but I'm sure he says that to everybody right so they been can feel good and tip him afterwards so he's telling us oh you guys are great what I had a hard time with was the the technique is to actually whip it hard back and then you just barely bring it forward and then the momentum of it coming back is what makes it
Starting point is 00:32:06 flown or what? But what's hard about that is you naturally you want to whip just like you were to throw a ball or throw anything is to cock back and then you whip forward. I mean that's how you do everything. Oh, you throw a frisbee throw baseball. You throw anything. It's the you you cock back and then you whip forward is what gets so you have that built in you as someone who's played sports. Really hard to break that habit. So even so you're doing taught to whip back and then gently come forward.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I mean, I get a couple that are really good and then I get back in the habit. And then if you muscle it forward, that thing comes back around and when we're hitching the back of the head or a whip she and sticks on you. So yeah, it was a lot of funnest. Yeah, it was a but I like that right? I like things that it would if it was easy would be no fun So the fact that it's challenging and it's difficult to now what kind of fish do you catch out there?
Starting point is 00:32:56 My buddy got a trout so it just depends on it that depends on where you're at Oh, we did catch some you I did so one of us did catch so you guys cook it up. No, we didn't who he was a catch and release Yeah, we were in a I feel like that's more cruel than just taking it and eating that no, it's not cruel Really? No, it doesn't hurt them to get hooked like that. Yeah, I saw in their mouth Yeah, imagine you just walk around and someone just pulls you out from life and then throws you back in You're so dumb. Yeah Natalie that I think they'd be super happy they got hooked by a human and the human throws them back on the pond because the other thing that knowing happens
Starting point is 00:33:26 to them is a eagle will come by and swoop them up and craft them a dick and eat them. So they're gonna fish. Yeah, so I think that's not a bad thing. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was much harder than I expected it to be, but I'm definitely intrigued to want to get good at it. Now it's meditative. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:33:45 Now on the drive back, how was the win? Because I got an alert from PG&E that said that they PG&E. God, what a great company, huh? Oh, Christ. Don't please don't know how I did. I know just the way they sent out an alert that they were going to start shutting people's power off because of high win. So I know we're all, Lord Newsom has them in this pocket.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Yes. Lord News. Lord News. In force. You pocket. Yes. Lord News, he's in force, you know, like, order 66. So we have no power again, dude. Yeah, so I know, yeah, he's turned off. So I know he's all upset because of that. But I'll tell you right now,
Starting point is 00:34:15 that was some of the worst win that I've ever driven in for. Yeah, I pulled over because I thought I had flat tires. And that was driving the little car, the little Mercedes, it's tiny. So that thing was getting blown off. I was driving my truck, you know what, it's like driving a lift of truck, it blows you like crazy.
Starting point is 00:34:28 They had, when I was going through Sacramento, which is, there's not even country, even nearby. So it didn't, it was weird. The road was covered with debris. And I'm talking like big-ass branches and leaps and everything. And the wind was blowing so hard, I'm driving down the freeway, 60 to 80 miles an hour, and just to breeze, it's smacking into the cars, I'm driving.
Starting point is 00:34:48 So it was bad. Oh, it was really bad. And then I can't believe you guys didn't know this morning when I woke up at my house, the whole, it looks like somebody blew leaves all over the place. It wasn't super bad though, but yeah, there was. There was some, yeah. No, it was bad.
Starting point is 00:35:01 But you guys, so you have no car. I'm glad at least there was, yeah, some reason for it. No, it was like, so piss. And so it was so bad too, that I thought we had fires coming in because it, all the dust, it made the whole city, all the way heading from Turkey, all the way to San Jose, even when I got into San Jose, was all foggy. And it was from all the dust, from all the,
Starting point is 00:35:20 all the branches and farms that blowing over the freeway and it made it look terrible. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Speaking of nature, you know what I watched yesterday? So you know, Unsolved Mysteries has new episodes. Yeah, I watched one of them. So they have a bunch of new episodes. Oh cool. And I love Unsolved Mysteries. The music still gives me the show. Oh, until my power went out. Okay. Yeah. So, but one of the episodes was about the tsunami in Japan in 2011 and the afterwards how I guess hundreds of people saw spirits Because of all the deaths and stuff. So they're telling all these you know spooky spirit stories where but the first
Starting point is 00:35:57 I don't know 10 minutes or so of the of that series They were showing clips that I hadn't seen before of the actual tsunami. Oh my goodness. You know what, and its peak was 130 feet of a wall of water coming through. Could you imagine seeing that? No, I can't. I was just terrified.
Starting point is 00:36:15 That has to be like one of the scariest things to see. Oh dude, some of the stories these people were telling were just part breaking about. Don't ruin it, I wanna watch it. Oh no, yeah, yeah. Did you only watch one? How did you watch? No, I watched a bunch of them.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Oh yeah, don't tell. Yeah, so I love about Netflix though because I mean they they came out with that this year the other unsolved mysteries They just did a follow-up with another six episodes. Yeah, so that put me down in kind of the mood to watch scary stuff Yeah, so there's a movie I've been wanting to watch called us have you guys seen this with Jordan Peel? Oh, yeah, I've been wanting to see that I haven't seen that yet though. So did you like get out? Okay, so get out or geeky. Yeah, I was been wanting to see that. I haven't seen that yet though. So did you like get out? Okay, so get out. Oh, it's freaky. Yeah, I was really good, right? So us is interesting.
Starting point is 00:36:49 It's really good, but at the end, I had to go online and try to figure out a couple things. Oh yeah. But it is really good. That's the one that where they're all stuck in the cabin and they see themselves, right? Like the kid they're getting basically haunted by another version of
Starting point is 00:37:05 themself. Yes, now this one has more symbolism and some stuff is a little weird and there's elements of it with comedy, so comedy horror, which I appreciate sometimes. Oh yeah. But well made, Jordan Peel's a really, he does a really, really damn good job. Yeah, I feel you know.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah, I mean, he's, as he's, did he get awards for the other movie? Because I know like, get out, I think it's worth it. Yeah, I thought they want some awards, but yeah mean he's I mean he's did he get awards for the other movie because I know like get out I think yeah, I thought they want some awards, but yeah, he's been doing scary movies, which is interesting Yeah, genre yeah, cuz he's no he knows me. It's comedy. Yeah, I know him from the him and his partner in peel Yeah, right? So they do the the YouTube clips that are hilarious that they have you ever seen him do the yes the draft Yeah, that the, the subsidy teacher, that does all the names.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Yes. Well, what I like about him is he puts like Easter eggs and symbolism in some of these movies apparently. So as I'm watching us, I'm noticing things, and I'm like, this doesn't make sense. What's going on? So then I go online, and there's like so many articles and forums talking about elements of the movie,
Starting point is 00:38:03 which I appreciate. I like that. I like watching movies, and then afterwards, feeling like I'm still in it because I'm trying to figure things out. Have you guys noticed a lot of road rage going on out there? Like just every time I'm driving, you know, to work. Who did you get pissed off? It wasn't even me. I've just been like, I've actually been like backing off quite a bit and like making room for everybody. I'm trying to be cool and nice. And I'm not even joking. Probably I've seen 10 people just fighting on the road and jocking for position and cutting each other off,
Starting point is 00:38:34 flipping each other off. I didn't know if this was a thing everywhere. Everybody's super pissed off because maybe they have politics or whatever the hell's going on. I feel like you're an easy target. You know what I'm saying? You're a big white guy lifted truck. You're driving in the Bay area Yeah, I get that
Starting point is 00:38:49 It's a huge fly. I don't know why I don't know why I'm flipping me off of a driver's Priests hate me. I don't know why Yeah, then you talk shit about Priests two episodes ago. I don't know why I'm getting that would be obvious No, it's like just everywhere though. I don't know why I'm getting only seen. That would be obvious. No, it's just like just everywhere though. I don't know if it maybe it's just, yeah, I'm bringing that kind of energy with me on the road. People are just tense. I think people are just more tense,
Starting point is 00:39:13 which you know what? Speaking of which, because I have noticed, not that necessarily, but you're right, people seem, and understandably why people are tense. It's coronavirus, uncertainty, social media, and media in general is very extreme at the moment. This is a fact.
Starting point is 00:39:29 But I tell you what, dude, if you guys want to, and you're listening to listeners too, the listeners as well. If you want to start feeling a little better, go on YouTube, look up Arthur Brooks, listen to some of his interviews, some of his podcasts. The guy, he does such a great job of listing out the logical facts, and also he's a very positive, just one of the best human beings ever. I actually was texting him over the weekend
Starting point is 00:39:54 about all this stuff, and he says, yeah, he goes, you know, it seems that way, it seems like things are more extreme, a lot of it has to do with the fact that media follows the clicks. And so the extreme stuff is what gets the attention. And then because there's more extreme stuff, it creates this perception that things are more extreme as well. But he's such a positive, like one of the things he talks a lot about is about learning to love your neighbors and how one of the big, or love your enemies, excuse me. And he says, you know, one of the worst
Starting point is 00:40:24 mistakes we can make is assume that the people we disagree with are just evil. Well, this is my, I guess I get bummed out quite a bit that that message isn't at the forefront like it used to be. Like the only way to combat hate is with love. And I feel like you just don't see like any leadership out there like promoting that. It's all like super divisive.
Starting point is 00:40:44 And I'm so sick of this shit. Yeah, well, he says it represents just again, it's media is making things seem more extreme, people are in their bubbles, so they don't get challenges often. And then the strategy now is to make the other side seem not just wrong, but rather like people. Well, I feel like it's part of what's white,
Starting point is 00:41:02 this is so crazy for us right now, is that everybody, anybody who has a following of, I don't know, 10,000 people or more, now is like, they have their own media outlet. And they're all fighting for attention and clicks and views because that's how they monetize and make money or they're trying to build a business himself.
Starting point is 00:41:21 So it's exaggerated to a level that we've just never seen before. And then, so speaking of which, and I feel like, I would love your guys' opinion on this. So I told you guys I got Shadowband, right? So my stories, and the hell of people are right now, by the way. Okay, and I'm hearing this from other people.
Starting point is 00:41:36 So what's the deal? Because you said that Rob Wolff was experiencing? Rob Wolff happened at Weinstein. Yeah, Weinstein, Chase Chooning, our buddy was talking. And Chase says, you know, I don't chase yeah He got it for for post in some shit on and he said it was like it was it was it was satire It wasn't even like a serious thing in his stories and it just tanked his views and it hasn't recovered since then now Do you think that that makes it that's good or do you think it makes it worse?
Starting point is 00:42:02 That's wakes it worse. I think so too. Because then it just, it legitimizes the whole belief that you're of course. That we're being censored, right? Because that's how I felt. I mean, I guess you just gotta let it go. You know, if you're gonna have a platform, which again, we speculated on that, right?
Starting point is 00:42:18 So, how are you? If you're a Twitter or Facebook, how do you decide what is and is not okay? Because obviously there's certain things that everybody would go like that is wrong, you can't show that. You can't say that and so we all agree. But as soon as you get into all these other gray areas where it's political and so that like Where do you draw the line of what they don't even have examples or any kind of page to reference like what's acceptable and what's not. There's no like description out there that even falls.
Starting point is 00:42:50 I would not wanna be right now in that position because they're literally screwed. I cannot think of a solution because either one, which is this is unrealistic, but on one hand, you could have actual people going through pages that are being reported and determining. But then that sets you up for, are these people biased? Are they for one side? Are they for another side? Then you have the other side, which is fine. We'll create an algorithm. But then the algorithm
Starting point is 00:43:15 is oftentimes messed up. For example, I got flagged for posting a picture of 50 cent with Donald Trump's hair, which is a funny meme. It was a funny meme, but it said, this was a doctored photo, and I got a warning for it. So I know it's an algorithm thing, so I know people are getting it, and then that just strengthens the whole thing, like, you're coming after me, why? What did I do?
Starting point is 00:43:37 Well, I just think that the reason why it's so weird for us right now is because we're in the middle of a transition, and we talked about this before, that we're soon Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, all these platforms will be just like CNN, Fox, and all the platforms that are on television, right? So you have our networks that are on television. Real soon here, they will,
Starting point is 00:43:57 and this is probably what's going to accelerate that is the, you know, election. So real soon here, all these outlets will have to draw a line in the center, they'll have to take a position here, all these outlets will have to draw line and say they'll have to take a position, you know, they'll have to, because they're, you can't be in this gray area, because it's gonna cause more.
Starting point is 00:44:10 You're better off real soon here coming out and just saying, okay, this is our kind of our political, whether you announce it, because obviously CNN and Fox don't technically announce it completely, it's just obvious as fuck, right? As soon as it gets that obvious, they say fair and balanced. Yeah, yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Yeah, sure. So you, by the way, when I listened to the last debate, right as soon as it gets that off you say fair and balanced yeah yeah yeah sure so I you by the way when I listened to the last debate and I intentionally so I turned the TV on like maybe an hour and a half before I did I toggle back and forth for 20 minutes oh my god it's two worlds it is weird completely different it is so different and it's so terrible it It's both, or terrible terrible. It's unreal to me. But that, I mean, that's what's gonna happen. It's gonna happen on the same thing for social.
Starting point is 00:44:51 And I mean, I think it's great. It's gonna open up the opportunity for other platforms. We're gonna have a conservative and a liberal version of every one of these platforms. And we saw it, we've brought it up with that parlor one. I think that the first one to maybe have get some traction against Instagram. So we'll see what happens with the other ones.
Starting point is 00:45:10 But I think that's just where we're gonna get. I think it's gonna open up an opportunity for other platforms to exist that take the opposite side. I just, Mike, I feel sorry for the consumer. It's just, when I was watching the CNN and Fox back and forth, I'm like, oh my God, the people that get sucked into one of these. Yeah, well, you know what? So here's my little, a lot of them. Here's my little rea hope.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Okay, do you guys remember when we were kids when you went to the grocery store with mom or whatever and you're waiting in line and the little aisle next to the register has candy, junk food, and then tabloids. Do you guys remember these? Wolf boy born to whatever mom or UFOs capture. And remember as a kid, you'd look at those and be like, mom, they found aliens or mom. Look, a wolf boy was when your mom was like,
Starting point is 00:45:56 that's blown. There's nothing true about that. I wonder if when those tabloids first came out, if they had more power, like people bought them and were like, oh my God. And then after a while people are like, all right, 99% of this. Oh, don't be fooled. So I'm wondering if those some, you know, the National Enquires,
Starting point is 00:46:10 like one of the most sold magazines in the world, bro. It's so like crazy. My grandmother read that like from front to back every single one. Yeah, that's our real news. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So I'm wondering if at some point people will just be like, all right, don't believe everything you read on the internet. Or, you know, this is obviously biased.
Starting point is 00:46:27 I think we're there right now. I think most people that I hear that will argue on point that like, oh, you must only listen to Fox or, oh, you must only listen to CNN. They get called out on it right away. Well, I mean, yeah, what we need is real journalists that like, they're not getting paid one way or the other, which is like a really tough thing.
Starting point is 00:46:47 I would just have exactly. Have a good media. Government media? Yeah, that sounds better. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D- So hey, did you guys try the organified granola that Jerry made this? No, she made it, but I haven't had it. Did you guys try it? I didn't tell you. Yeah, so she used the organified pumpkin spice in the granola.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Again, huh? So you can add it to milk to that, and apparently it's really... Apparently you can eat pumpkin spice in through January. That's what I heard. Yeah, so, you know, this is showing me something that we don't give enough credit.
Starting point is 00:47:23 They organify on their site, they have so many recipes for things you can make with their protein, with their gold juice, with their green juice, to give you your supplement, your whatever nutrients you want, extra protein, with like, you can make cookies, pancakes, like so many different things. So this is like the seventh thing that she's made so far.
Starting point is 00:47:44 And I think- How did you like it? that she's made so far. And I how did you like it? Everything she's made so far has been amazing. I've liked some stuff more than others, but this is really good. Yeah, the the pumpkin spice cupcakes were my favorite so far. That was I couldn't believe that that's how that didn't taste like there was any, you know, supplement in the chocolate ball ones with the peanut butter. Those ones had the protein in there. Speaking of stuff, speaking of supplements, are you how do you guys feel about the fact that we now have a pre-workout with Legion?
Starting point is 00:48:08 I mean, that's like my dream. Yeah. I would say you were the most excited about it for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Yeah, so just for the listeners, we partnered with Legion to put our name on their pulse, pre-workout supplement, and it's bubble gum flavor, which is a different flavor than I've had. So if you like pre-workout supplement and it's bubble gum flavor which is a different flavor that I've had. So if you like pre-workout and it's got all the stuff that you know,
Starting point is 00:48:30 effective pre-workouts have caffeine, beta-align, citrulline, but it's also bubble gum flavor which is only the mind pump one. Yeah, bubble gum. I'm working with Rachel on the whole campaign with some sports ball action with you. So with me. Yeah. That's gonna be great. Yeah. So watch out for that guys. You're not gonna film me shooting the ball right there. Oh, we'll see. We'll see what happens.
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Starting point is 00:49:27 What exercises do you recommend for women who want to build lean long but not bulky legs, but also want to grow the glutes? Okay, all right, so a couple of things here. Lean it along. Yeah, okay, so what you want, nothing you're gonna do is gonna get them longer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Right. You're gonna hang upside down, you stretch them out. Yeah, it's so what you want, nothing you're gonna do is gonna get them longer on the promised day. Yeah. You're gonna hang up saying, now you stretch my heart, it's not gonna happen. So here's a deal, so here's what you're looking for. What you want is you wanna be lean, but you also wanna have muscle. So, and I'm basing that off of what you're telling me. The bulky comment, very, very few people build enough muscle
Starting point is 00:50:03 to really have massive legs, even women, okay? Usually what it is is they're just not lean. So because they're not lean, and remember, body fat takes up more space per pound than muscle does. So if you, you know, 10 pounds of fat would take up something like 30% more space than 10 pounds of muscle. The fact that you said you wanna grow your glutes
Starting point is 00:50:24 and you want long lean muscle, that tells me you want to have sculpted legs. So what you need to do, and this sounds kind of crazy, but it's not. If you wanna get to that point, the fastest way to do it is to follow a workout that builds muscle the fastest, while simultaneously, eating in a way that promotes you to burn body fat.
Starting point is 00:50:44 So you wanna get lean, but you also want to try to build muscle while you're doing this. Exercises to focus on, the ones that we talk about all the time, right? Your barbell squats, your lunges, get stronger at them. You want to do your stiff leg, a deadlift or your Romanian split stance squats. Those are phenomenal exercises, hip thrust for your glutes. If you wanna follow a program that'll do this, maps and a ballic is excellent, a maps aesthetic if you're a little bit more advanced.
Starting point is 00:51:13 But based off of these comments, I mean, what you're really saying, because this is what you do as a trainer. Once you start training people for a while and you figure things out, they'll say a bunch of words and you'll actually read the, okay, what I need to do as a trainer
Starting point is 00:51:25 and what the trainer would know, someone who's good would say, this person needs to build muscle and get leaner. The only thing you didn't touch on that it could be a possibility too is, and very common is somebody who feels this way because they're very quad dominant and they don't seem to grow their butt
Starting point is 00:51:42 as equal to as much as they grow their legs, they feel like, man, I do all these exercises. Salad just said, the Bulgarian split squats, the lunges, the squats, the dead lifts, and I just feel like my legs blow up and they get bulky and my butt doesn't grow in comparison to your quads. And so if that's the case,
Starting point is 00:52:03 that's addressing the recruitment patterns and how your body is actually using your clutes. So there's a good chance that when you go to do a squat, you go to do a lunge, you feel most of it in your legs and very little bit in your butt. And if that's the case, then spending the time to prime your glutes. And if that's the case, the exercises that I would lean towards are things like sumo deadlifts and hip thrust and Romanian deadlifts. Those are a little bit easier to take the quads out of the movement, right? So you're gonna see, you're gonna feel very little
Starting point is 00:52:32 of your quads doing a sumo deadlift or you're gonna feel very little of your quads when you're doing a hip thrust or Romanian deadlift. And so if you're somebody who's very quad dominant, obviously fixing the recruitment pattern by priming more and trying to get the glutes to really fire properly, which we have stuff for all that. We have a good glute builder program. We've got free guides and content.
Starting point is 00:52:52 We've got free stuff on YouTube to help you in that direction. I would look towards that and then exercises that I would be focusing on are the three that I just said. Yeah, I think, too. This is just feeding a lot to the myth that you'll see people doing like heavy back loaded squats or heavy deadlifts and worried like a lot of women are worried it's gonna make them bulky and like look like a football player and I had to you know talk talk that out of a lot of clients minds going into it and unless you have like insane insane bodybuilding genetics, it's really gonna be difficult for you to put muscle mass on,
Starting point is 00:53:28 like you've seen in terms of like a bodybuilder lady that has like, insane o' legs. Yeah, and even if you did, it still doesn't happen overnight. I've never met any buddy that did skiers in years. Yeah, and then the next day they woke up and they're like, damn it Sally, I told you, no massive. It doesn't, it doesn't work that way. Just folks on getting lean like so. Yeah, It doesn't, it doesn't work that way. Just folks on getting lean legs also. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't work that way. Here's another, you know, Adam makes great points about focusing on the posterior chain,
Starting point is 00:53:50 the glutes and the hamstrings. I've never, I have met maybe one or two women that did build legs very, very quickly. It's super rare, but I didn't meet a couple. Never met a woman who's hamstrings built too much. Right. Those tend to not, you know, be muscles that bulk up a lot. So you could start your workouts out.
Starting point is 00:54:08 That's how I train. So this is, I've actually dealt with this quite a bit. I think at one point, I got kind of known as somebody to help people with this situation. So I think I, obviously, I probably attracted more than the usual as a trainer you'd come across. And that was like my go too. Those, those three moves, focusing on the posterior chain when somebody's quad dominant is a great,
Starting point is 00:54:29 sure fire way to make sure that their quads don't over develop and it puts so much energy and focus on the backside. And like you said, I've never met anybody that's like, oh, my hamstrings just get over developed and they're just too big. I don't think I've ever heard that. No, it's normally someone's quad dominant
Starting point is 00:54:44 and their quads do blow up. And I have met several women that have, like, and I think they look great, but I mean, I get it. I get when they don't like that their quads are so big and then they have a butt that doesn't seem to match the size of their quads. And then because all the exercises
Starting point is 00:54:59 are taking over the movement. So I just pull out a lot of the quad type exercises. So I don't like to leg press, lunge, hack squat. I don pull out a lot of the quad type exercises. So I don't like to leg press, lunge, hack squat. I don't want to do any of that with this lady. I want to do things that are more posterior chain related, but still get a little bit of development there, but focused on the hamstrings and glutes. Next question is from David GTZ09. Do calisthenics promote the same metabolism and testosterone boosting benefits of weight training? Oh, the opposite.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Yeah, okay, so there's two, so here's the things you wanna focus on that will produce the best results in terms of speeding up your metabolism and boosting anabolic hormone like testosterone. Remember testosterone and men is the main muscle building hormone and the metabolism boost comes from the signal of building muscle, along with the actual fact that you have more muscle. So what does that the best?
Starting point is 00:55:52 Whatever is going to build the most muscle in your body is going to do that the best. Now, can you do that with calisthenics? And I'm using the term calisthenics loosely. When I'm saying calisthenics, I'm saying bodyweight exercises or exercises without weights. You can go pretty far, it depends how you do them. Now, if you do calisthenics like boot camp, or when I hear calisthenics, I think jumping
Starting point is 00:56:12 jacks, exactly. I think that's tough. Exactly. I'm talking about, I'm using it loosely. I'm talking about muscle building, chest, yeah, like, you know, pistol squats and, you know, one arm pushups or pushups with the feet elevated pullups, that kind of stuff. Then yes, you can boost your metabolism and testosterone.
Starting point is 00:56:31 Here's a deal. The intensity is going to determine that. Yeah. If you want to, your metabolism to go to speed up and you want testosterone to go up, then do the stuff that builds the most muscle. And this usually means using weights, usually does. Can you do body weight exercises through this? You can, just requires a little bit more skill.
Starting point is 00:56:51 But like you guys said, jumping jacks, stuff like that, not as I can. Yeah, it's hard to answer this because you're pigeonholing us to saying that is it, I mean, calisthenics can, for your point, they could do that. But nothing is going to promote it as much as building the most amount of muscle. And calisthenics most certainly is not the way to build the most muscle.
Starting point is 00:57:07 If you were to run a standard five by five heavy type of routine, you will put on more muscle mass, you will speed up your toe, your metabolism a lot more than even doing pistol squat. It's a better tool for the job. You know, and that's just at the end of the day, that's why we steer people in the direction. But I mean, you can do it with calisthenics. But I wouldn't even call them calisthenics because of what we kind of think of when you think of that. I'd think of it more as like really intensive body weight training that's, you know, usually looks like a gymnastics type of a workout.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Yeah, it is interesting though, you know, because consider when you're lifting weights, you're telling the body to build muscle, when that signal is received, your body tries to improve its ability to build muscle. So it knows it needs to build muscle because of the signal. So it tries to build muscle, but then it improves its ability to build muscle. It actually improves its capacity to adapt. This is where the testosterone raising tends to happen because your body's like, okay, we keep getting this muscle building signal and we need to improve our ability. We need to make our ability to adapt to build muscle better and the way to do that is to raise testosterone. There is almost nothing aside from if you get bad sleep and then you get good sleep. Okay, so besides that, so let's say everything's fine, nothing consistently raises testosterone
Starting point is 00:58:26 like lifting weights and all the studies that you look at, it consistently raises testosterone. And here's the thing with testosterone raising and resistance training. In some cases, you'll do things that'll raise testosterone if you have low testosterone, resistance training raises testosterone in men if they have low, middle or high testosterone.
Starting point is 00:58:44 It just raises it across the board. It's the best thing you could possibly do. So I'm glad that we, you know, we answered this question, but they both go hand in hand. Build muscle, that's what gets them a tablet and they get faster, and that's what raises testosterone. Next question is from Giac 72. What are some specific exercises
Starting point is 00:59:05 that will help build the muscles of your core like every other muscle in your body? So build, so I'm assuming the time of actually making them bigger and stronger. And as far as resistance, yeah, that's what I'm picturing. You know, most effective, because in the past, I trained my body, and then when I would do my core,
Starting point is 00:59:22 I believed the myth that the core needed to be trained with high reps, not using your resistance. And what would happen is I would get down to like 8% body fat, 9% body fat, and if I flexed my abs, you could see that I had a six pack. But if I didn't flex my abs, you couldn't see that I had a six pack. And I was really envious of certain people
Starting point is 00:59:46 who seem to have six packs without flexing at all. And I thought, do I have to get like super shredded for that to happen? And then years later, Dawn on me, well, I don't have muscular abs or bleaks, so they're not gonna show, unless I get super, super unhealthy lean, they're not gonna show because they're not built.
Starting point is 01:00:04 So let me train them, like I would train my biceps or my shoulders unless I get super, super unhealthy lean, they're not gonna show because they're not built. So let me train them, like I would train my biceps or my shoulders or my chest to grow. And so I started doing high tension or what you call high resistance exercises. So like one of my favorite exercises is a decline sit up.
Starting point is 01:00:18 A slow decline sit up or a slow incline reverse crunch. If there's resistance that the body is providing, you're at an incline or a decline, and you're having to really work the abs with, you know, lower reps, eight reps, 12 reps. And it was like, night and day, man, my abs went from not visible to, then I had a six pack at 11% body fat. Because I don't know. Well, I'm kind of hesitant to just say, just throw weights, you know, on these crunches or throw weights on these crunches or throw
Starting point is 01:00:45 weights on like your leg lifts or if you're not recruiting properly first. It's so dependent on that. The core, you can get a lot of good resistance just from angles and with gravitational forces with your core, but you definitely can add weight. I would just highly suggest that you make sure that you're recruiting the way you should and not like incorporating a lot of your hip flexors involved with your crunches. Well, Doug, aren't we practically giving our no BS 6 back away with the, the, the Anabolic this month?
Starting point is 01:01:14 Yeah, we are. We are. You have a special with Anabolic and no BS 6 back. What is it? $59.95. Yeah, let's see. MapsOctober. MapsOctober.com.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Yeah. Yeah. So, and both it covers what you both are saying right now. So Justin brought up a good point about making sure that your recruitment pattern is right and you're not using your hip flexors for the movement. So stuff in there that's going to help you, some of the exercises that sell you allude to there and there. So I mean, that's a no-brainer to me is to have that. So if you don't have that, I would get that. If you're not in the place to be able to get that, I would search on our YouTube. So mind pump TV, we've got a ton of different exercises for the core and for
Starting point is 01:01:56 abs. Those are some of the most popular videos that we've done. You know what's funny about this too is that when I've trained, I can go, this is probably nine to ten times. If I train someone that talks about wanting their abs to be more obvious or to stand out more, so I said, okay, we're gonna build them. I'll watch them do exercises that they do 30 reps with. So I'll watch them do like a fizzial ball crunch. I'll change their form and all of a sudden
Starting point is 01:02:17 it's a high resistance, high tension exercise. A fizzial ball crunch done properly. With your low back on top of the ball, your hips pin to the top, you're wrapping your back around the ball when you go down, then you slowly come up, push the hips up while you squeeze so that your hip flexors don't take over, you're not sinking your hips.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Very few people can do more than 15 reps doing it that way. And if you need more resistance, arms above your head. Straighten your arms out above your head. And long lever it. All of a sudden, it's a high tension, high resistance exercise that builds the abs even though you're not holding any weight at all.
Starting point is 01:02:49 So a lot of it has to do with form. Leg raises, I never see anybody do those right. I mean, if you do a leg raise properly and your pelvis is tilting at the top or you're actually doing like a reverse crunch at the top, you find me someone that could do more than 10 reps of doing that properly. It's very, very difficult. Next question is from BJ Sayer What are the best exercises to superset to get the most work in during my time in the gym? So there's a lot of different ways to do supersets
Starting point is 01:03:16 So you could superset the same muscle group because superset different muscle groups You know single joint to compound exercises But if I had to pick one and I had to do it in order to save time, and my goal is always to build muscle, right? That's the goal with resistance training. I'm picking opposing muscle group, yeah. Yeah, yeah, love those. Yeah, because I'm doing bench press to barbell row would be a great example or a shoulder
Starting point is 01:03:42 press to a pull up or something like that. So I'm hitting two opposing muscle groups, so I'm not doing tons of endurance for one muscle. Arnold was a big fan of this. He did a lot of dips and pull ups, for example, that's one of my favorites, by the way. And if you guys have done that, where you go dips to pull ups, just gives you a pump on both sides of your body. I'm with you on this.
Starting point is 01:04:02 I don't disagree at all. The only thing that I would say to add to that is that I would start posting your chain first, right? So for example, you said rows and chest. Like I love, that's actually one of my favorite things to do and I did a workout just like to see the other day where I was crunched for time. And so every exercise I was super setting
Starting point is 01:04:19 and it was a posterior chain exercise followed by an anterior, right? So I would do something like a row first and then go into a bench press. And the only reason why I say the row first in the bench press is because doing a row is gonna prime the upper back and puts you in a more advantageous position
Starting point is 01:04:35 doing the chest press. If you chest press first and then go to the row, it's not as beneficial as far as putting you in the best position. Other than that, all the rest of them, buys the tries, all that stuff, I think as putting you in the best position other than that all the rest of them You know buys the tries all that stuff. I think is that's the best way or that's the way that I personally like to do it When I'm crunched for time and I'm doing a full body routine. I mean, I totally agree I mean, this is just like a echo chamber in here
Starting point is 01:04:56 But I think it's fun to do like if I'm working angles with my elbows for triceps for instance And I just hit back and back You, tricep exercises from different angles, you know, something like that. But, you know, that's just going to promote fatigue and that's cool if that's part of what I'm doing for that workout. Well, that's what makes the way that we're saying, I think, so superior is because it's not that there's not lots of other ways and lots of you can do a compound exercise and then do a single joint exercise, you know, and you can do the whole routine like that. And there's not lots of other ways and lots of you can do a compound exercise and then do a single joint exercise, and you can do the whole routine like that.
Starting point is 01:05:27 There's nothing wrong with that. But you're also, when you're doing that, there's gonna be a little bit of exhaustion. So if you go to a chest press over to a tricep pushdown, your triceps are involved a lot in a chest press. And so you're gonna be kinda weak when you go to the tricep pushdown. Nothing wrong with that.
Starting point is 01:05:42 Just I don't think it's, I'm not gonna get the most out of my workout. Doing the opposing muscle group, you're gonna have a little bit of gas still. You're sure your energy's down a little bit because you just did an exercise. But if you just go do a row, your chest is not gonna be fatigued at all.
Starting point is 01:05:55 So then go into a chest press. You're gonna have the most gas for that in order to still get a lot out of your chest press. Versus if you go do a row, you know, a heavy row, and then you go do bicep curls. Your biceps are a little fried. Yeah, a little fried from the rows already, so you're not going to be able to live very much weight with a bicep curl. Yeah, and it does encourage good form on some of these supersets, like you said, a row
Starting point is 01:06:16 before a press. Here's some of my favorite supersets. Anything bicep tricep is a lot of fun. So arm supersets, great way to save time. And it doesn't take away from straight sets that much, because arms don't fatigue you that much. In fact, nine and a 10 times when I work out my arms, I go bicep to tricep. Here's another fun one, and this is different than what we're talking about,
Starting point is 01:06:39 but this is a lot of fun. Try going deadlift to pull up. That is amazing. Like do your, do, and this is how I, this is how I like to do it though. I like to go heavy deadlift. So like a set of two or three reps. So just very, very heavy set.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Then I jump up to the bar. So I'm literally deadlifting in front of a bar. Then I jump up to the bar and then I'll do something like 10 reps. And the pump you get in your back is, it's insane. It's unheard of. It's also cool too, because you actually, the pull-up will feel light.
Starting point is 01:07:08 If you're pulling two to three reps. Yeah, I'm not doing high reps with the deadlift. Yeah, if you're deadlift in, you know, in your case, that's you're easily doing over 350. So you're probably doing 400 pounds and then you go to your pull your body weight up, which is only 200 pounds. You fly up the bar.
Starting point is 01:07:21 It's a really cool feeling, especially if you have a hard time doing pull ups. It's amazing when you do that. I love just to show somebody that. It's just like, hey, go do one or two heavy deadlifts and then watch how you get up on the pull up bar. Now, for lower body, here's some of my favorite other super sets. Let's say I'm working with someone who has trouble feeling like a squat in their hamstrings
Starting point is 01:07:41 or their glutes. I'll do like a leg curl, maybe on a physio ball, right next to the squat rack, or hip thrust, then go straight to a barbell squat, and I'll use really light weight, and then you get a crazy posture or chain pump. Let's say I'm working with someone that really wants to work the quads, really hard.
Starting point is 01:07:55 I'll go CISC squat or leg extension, straight to a light squat, and you know, I mean, literally three rounds of doing that, properly three, four rounds, your leg workout is done, and you get, again mean, literally three rounds of doing that, properly three, four rounds, your leg workout is done. And you get, again, another insane pump. You can do like some paps at a time too, with heavy squats and then do a couple box jumps after that.
Starting point is 01:08:12 That's pretty crazy. If you want to puke for sure. Look, my pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube, My pump podcast. You can also find us on Instagram. You can find Doug, the producer at My pump, Doug, Justin at My pump, Justin, me at My pump, the producer at Mind Pump Doug, Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Salon Adam at Mind Pump Adam.
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