Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1430: Why Everyone Should Deadlift

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin discuss why the deadlift is one of the most effective exercises you can do. Why should you deadlift? (2:55) A fundamental movement that is still relevant today. (5...:32) The myths surrounding the deadlift. (8:18) Why a deadlifters body doesn’t always have a large waist. (12:14) The importance of having confidence if you are a trainer. (15:24) How the body responds to the environment you present it in. (17:20) The crossover benefits into the real world. (21:40) An excellent exercise for beginners! (22:30) The value of the isometric aspect of the exercise. (27:37) Practice the movement to rid yourself of default patterns. (30:16) Deadlifts build strong hands! (32:36) How deadlifts build a bulletproof back. (36:32) Make sure to modify your intensity. (41:37) Related Links/Products Mentioned Want to be on Mind Pump! Check out this exclusive link! November Promotion: MAPS Ultimate At-Home Workout Bundle for Only $99.99 Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** How To Start Deadlifting (REGRESSIONS) - Mind Pump TV The Proper Way to Perform the Conventional Deadlift (Part I) - Mind Pump TV The BEST Deadlift Warm Up & Mobility Routine | MIND PUMP – Mind Pump TV How To Sumo Deadlift (The RIGHT Way) | Jordan Syatt – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump TV - YouTube Grip strength may provide clues to heart health Study finds men are weaker than they were 30 years ago Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Mark Rippetoe (@startingstrength)  Instagram Jordan Syatt (@syattfitness)  Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, do you want to be featured on Mind Pump? You want to be guest on our show? Go to MindPumpMedia.com, forward slash MFP-testimonial. Leave us your testimonial. If we like your story, if it touches our hearts and blows our minds, you may win a chance to get a trip to come here to Mindpump Studios and be on our podcast. Now in this episode, we talk about the deadlift, one of the most effective exercises anybody can do for their posterior chain. That refers to all the muscles on the backside of your body.
Starting point is 00:01:14 That includes the very popular butt muscles. You wanna develop amazing glutes? You should probably deadlift. Hamstrings, yes, you should probably deadlift. What about a nice back? You got it, deadlift. What about functional strength? Developing a bulletproof back so you don probably deadlift. What about a nice back? You got it, deadlift. What about functional strength?
Starting point is 00:01:26 Developing a bulletproof back so you don't hurt yourself. All deadlift. So in this episode, we talk about the deadlift, why everybody should do it. Now this episode is brought to you by our sponsor, Paleo Valley. Paleo Valley makes some pretty damn good supplements, all of them natural, all of them organic. Now, my favorite product from Paleo Valley are their meat sticks good supplements, all of them natural, all of them organic.
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Starting point is 00:02:38 maps suspension and our very high intensity short, fat burning workout program, maps hit, get all three of them for 99 dollars and 99 cents just go to maps November dot com again. That's maps November dot com Why should you deadlift? Oh, you know, it's to me. It's it's funny how there's Controversy lift. Yeah, it is it's funny to me how there's controversy around some exercises that in my opinion, just my experience, and I'm sure you guys will agree that are, you know, like the deadlift, for example,
Starting point is 00:03:13 it's gotta be, it is one of the best all around exercises that people should do from people who just want to improve their health, longevity to people who wanna build a lot of muscle to wanting to burn body fat. To me, it's crazy why there's so much, sometimes controversy around this exercise. Well, I think some of that has to do with the fear
Starting point is 00:03:35 of hurting the low back. Like when you look at an exercise, and if you don't know what it is, right, and you're looking at a deadlift, I remember in my early teens of lifting and even in my early 20s, seeing people deadlift, although it was rare, but when you did see it, I thought, oh my God, that guy's gonna hurt his back, like he does know he's doing.
Starting point is 00:03:58 So if you're unaware of the exercise and you've never performed the movement or had someone teach you or tell you about the movement. At first glance, it looks like that looks like a terrible exercise. It looks like you're just gonna hurt your little... Yeah, especially if you see somebody performing it with bad form and you're kind of aware of body mechanics
Starting point is 00:04:17 and you can see how that could be problematic, but not considering the benefits of that is a tragedy. Hey, you know what? Speaking of which, there was a meme the other day, I was hilarious and it said, like fitness hack, perform any exercise wrong to make it a low back exercise. That's perfect. Yes, it is. No, I think you guys are right because for so long,
Starting point is 00:04:40 we've been hammered that we need to lift things a particular way off the ground, right, you got a squat real low and don't bend over to pick Thing in other words don't hip-hinge because that could hurt your back and it's Totally false if with proper form a dead lip just like any exercise by the way If you can perform the exercise with good strength and mobility and technique that exercise is safe Now there's definitely higher risks with some exercises, but mainly because there's more skill involved with some exercises.
Starting point is 00:05:10 For example, the risk of doing a dumbbell curl is far lower than doing a squat or a deadlift, and especially lower than doing, let's say, an Olympic lift like a snatch. Mainly because those are very high skill or high skill in comparison exercises. But done properly, deadlifts are incredibly safe. So yes, that's part of the reasons why.
Starting point is 00:05:32 And you know what, it is better these days than it used to be. I mean, when I was a trainer in the late 90s, when I first became a trainer, and up until the early 2000s, now I had the, the luxury of learning how to work out from some power lifters early on. I was maybe 16 years old, I think, and they were the ones that taught me barbell squats. They taught me about the deadlift, and it completely blew my mind because as a kid trying to build muscle, it was so hard to gain even a half a pound of muscle. I did those two exercises, and over a summer, I think I gained 15 pounds and it blew me away of how much muscle I could gain from just these two exercises.
Starting point is 00:06:10 So here I was as a trainer, 18, 19, 20 years old in the late 90s in these gyms that had, I mean, we're talking about 30,000 square foot gyms, so big gyms, big box gyms, lots of equipment, lots of cardio, lots of cardio, lots of machines, one squat rack, and nobody deadlift. In fact, when I was as a trainer would deadlift, I would get stopped by members predictably would come up to me and tell me, hey kid, you're going to hurt your back, you shouldn't be
Starting point is 00:06:38 doing that or you call yourself a trainer, that's not a good exercise. Dude, even in that athletic world, I think that it just was shunned, which was hilarious to me because we were doing power cleans that we would pick the way off the ground, which is fast. Yeah, but even before that, like going through the technique of it, you have to pick it up with good tension and be controlled and stable, and it's everything that you want to apply in a normal deadlift. It's just that adding a bit more weight and it's everything that you want to apply in a normal deadlift, it's just that adding a bit more weight
Starting point is 00:07:07 and just focusing on that part of the lift, for some reason, you know, we weren't focusing on that. But if we would have, it would have definitely contributed to a better lift for our limit. But lifting things off the ground is a fundamental human movement. Till this day, it's probably one of the only times you live something.
Starting point is 00:07:26 If you think we have a very sedentary life nowadays, we live in modern societies, we sit at desks all day and chairs all day or in our cars all day. But think about the one time you actually are working with resistance in the real world. You're probably rarely picking things up and pressing them overhead, sometimes maybe. You rarely squat with the full squat these days,
Starting point is 00:07:48 although that's a fundamental human movement, just we don't do it a lot, right? But you probably still bend over to pick up a box, maybe your Amazon package came in, or your door dash food came in, or your PRX stuff, which is a bit heavy. Yeah. Or you're gonna pick up your kid,
Starting point is 00:08:03 or your dog, or bag of dog food. We, it's a bit heavy. Or you're going to pick up your kid or your dog or a bag of dog food. It's a fundamental human movement that is still very important and relevant today with the movements that we're still doing today. So it's something that you should make stronger. I think the main reason is it's the most difficult exercise for somebody to learn that is part of the core five lifts that we talk about all the time. I think it's more difficult than a squat. A squat is something relatively close to what everybody does.
Starting point is 00:08:38 If you sit down in a chair, it's done some form of a squat, whether it was pretty or not. There's definitely more fear in getting people to deadlift. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole idea of being able to keep your back rigid, your arms stiff, and then to hinge at the hips,
Starting point is 00:08:56 and keep everything in this fixed position while you just hinge, there's just, there's not a lot of things that you do every single day where you do that properly. Like even the things that you're talking about, right? Like, bending over to grab your Amazon package. The truth is, nobody is hinging at the hips to do that. True.
Starting point is 00:09:12 They're rounding at the back and they're doing that. And because it's so lightweight, most people don't get injured and the few people that do, it's because they, you know, went just a little bit out of range of motion and ended up hurting themselves. So when I look at the deadlift
Starting point is 00:09:23 and I think about like the people that I trained and why they didn't do it before I trained them, most of them just fear, the fear of doing it incorrectly and hurting their back. And it is technical, it's a little more difficult to teach I think than even a squat. Like I said, I can get somebody to squat relatively good, like right away in the first session. Sometimes deadlifting can take repeat sessions
Starting point is 00:09:50 with me of coaching before I can really get them, they get the movement. You know, it's funny. I'd say the last 10 years of my personal training career, I did train a lot of people over the age of 60. I had to, I'd say at least 40% or 50% of my college is a big percentage, most trainers don't have that many clients over that age group,
Starting point is 00:10:07 but I did. My studio was next to a hospital, I had lots of referrals from doctors, and I had all of them deadlift. Every 70 year olds, 80 year olds, I mean of course it was all appropriate, so sometimes the deadlift consisted of a resistance band, sometimes it was just a bar,
Starting point is 00:10:24 but I had some of them, you know, at 70 deadlifting, the 45-pound plates, you know, or I would get the big quarter plates that were the same diameter, so they could have it off the same distance off the floor. Never once did I have a back injury with any of my clients, Doug, who was my client, in fact, Doug hired me because he had back problems,
Starting point is 00:10:43 and within six months, he was able to deadlift close to 400 pounds with no back pain whatsoever. So it's a myth, this whole thing about, you deadlift wrong, yes, you'll hurt yourself. Just like if you do anything wrong with weight. Right, and I've seen people like sort of steer people more towards a trap bar or something that's maybe a little easier to teach, but also,
Starting point is 00:11:07 you know, there's problems, you know, that could occur even with that in front where I know Mark Ripto, like kind of talks about this where like there's a potential for it to swing. And, you know, but as far as just like stepping into it in the grips, you know, it's a little bit easier to coach. I could see like starting there as sort of a starting point, but really what we're trying to do is address the posterior chain, which is very hard to do
Starting point is 00:11:32 unless you're doing something like a deadlift. Well, you know, and I don't know how much I agree or disagree with Mark with his assessment of that. I think the trap bar deadlift is too much like a squat, to call it a deadlift to me. It's, I think it emulates a squat. Especially for someone that doesn't know how to hip-hinge well, they end up turning it into a very good.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Yeah, like 60, 70% more squat to deadlift. So, I'm not the biggest fan of, I mean, it's a great regression for somebody in an advanced age that's really, really stiff and tight and not good mobility at all. But if you have relatively good mobility and I can get you down in that position, I'd prefer to teach you on a barbell. There's another community or group of people that avoid it. This one is probably the most annoying for me because it's not a fear of them getting
Starting point is 00:12:21 hurt, but of fear of building a bulky waste. So, and that's the bodybuilding community. The whole of the fitness figure competitor. The beauty of this. When I was deadlifting the most was actually when I was competing. It just happened to overlap with me meeting Sal and Sal was really good at deadlifting
Starting point is 00:12:42 and I'm competitive by nature and it was fun to try and see if I could catch up to the amount of weight he was doing and up into that point in my life I had never programmed like can I get really strong and deadlifts and I you know I tried to do that and so I was in the middle of competing and deadlifting More weight than I'd ever deadlifted and more frequently than I ever had in my entire career and never was that a problem for more frequently than I ever had in my entire career. And never was that a problem for my waist on stage. In fact, that was one of my strengths was my shoulder to waist ratio. But yet, it's still very, very popular in the bodybuilding space.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I would see all my peers and many of them didn't get most of them, didn't get left. It would in fact, it was really rare that I would meet another men's physique athlete that was also deadlifting, which is a shame. Yeah, the irony is some of the best competitive bodybuilders of all time. We're great deadlifters.
Starting point is 00:13:32 We're deadlifts, we're a staple on the routine or it was a staple early in the routine. So Doreen Yates, he deadlifted a lot, early in his career, later on, didn't deadlift so much Ronnie Coleman. Obviously that famous video on YouTube of him, pulling 800 pounds off the floor, was a power lifter, Franco Colombo Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Deadlift's developed incredible muscle, they're very effective and the whole waste building thing. Look, here's a deal at the most, if you just have this weird, amazing muscle building genetics of your waste, you're gonna maybe add a less than a quarter of an inch around your waist of muscle, which is, pales in comparison to the inches of fat
Starting point is 00:14:10 that you may carry around your waist. Or any, or anything. Correct. Correct. It looks great. Well, it doesn't happen. And not only that, it tends to, like, this was like what we talked about
Starting point is 00:14:18 with the whole CrossFit thing. Someone asked us a question, not that long ago, on our show about, you know, why does it seem like so many CrossFit girls have boxy waist? And it's not the exercises that have caused it. It's that self-selection bite. Yeah, when you have a wider waist,
Starting point is 00:14:32 it's gonna be easier to lift heavier weight on there. It's more advantageous to have. You know what the irony is, a deadlift or body doesn't necessarily have to have a wide waist, you look at someone like Laird wheels who's got actually quite a small waist compared to. Or myself. Or you, it's long arms.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Long arms is really the biomechanical advantage. Totally. So good dead lifters tend to have long arms and tend to be kind of tall. But aside from that, no, you're not, don't worry about building your waist, it's stupid. And here's the thing with bodybuilders. Stop looking at pro bodybuilders for what you need to do.
Starting point is 00:15:04 They're very different from you. And they tend to shy away from more complex, challenging exercises in favor of easier ones to develop their muscles. And it makes sense, I get it, why they may do something like that. That's why bodybuilders don't do a lot of them do barbell squats either. And the average person would be done
Starting point is 00:15:21 to not do a barbell squat. Here's the other category of people. It's better now, but it used to really annoy me, because this group of people should know better, and that's trainers. I see trainers who are afraid to teach clients had a deadlift, and part of it may be
Starting point is 00:15:36 because they believe in the myth of deadlift thing that it's too risky, but I think a big part of it is lazy. They're not confident enough to teach you a lot of times, too, I don't know this. Yes, that, okay, so if I'm being honest, that's what it was for me. I didn't train it very often as a young trainer,
Starting point is 00:15:53 which made me feel insecure about teaching it. And I'm still this way today. You're not gonna catch me teaching a client how to snatch, because I don't think that I'm proficient enough in it. So if I don't believe I'm proficient enough in a movement, I don't believe in teaching that movement. I think that you should at least have acquired that skill yourself. And so when you look at your 24-hour fitness, your USC gyms, your crunches, your typical
Starting point is 00:16:21 big box gym trainer, I would venture to say that what, 60% maybe, and that's, I would say on a good side of 60, when we were trainers, 80 to 90% did not deadlift. I mean, on all of my training staffs, maybe I had one or two trainers that deadlifted, maybe, yeah, maybe I had that. So if you figure you got, you know, a great, a huge percentage of trainers in these big box gyms that are seeing a majority of our general population, they're not dead living themselves, they're not going to feel secure enough to teach it to the general pop, and that's why we're seeing that.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Yeah, in fact, in those days, you still see this a lot in gyms these days, but a lot of the plates are these hexagonal plates, which you can't deadlift with. Yeah, terrible. Yeah, you place them down if it's touching go. Exactly, they shift and then you gotta fix the bar and all that stuff. And although a lot of gyms now are starting to change back to the round ones, which are what you would appropriately want to deadlift with,
Starting point is 00:17:13 here's the funny thing, these days I see women deadlifting more than I do men in terms of not, in terms of total weight, but in terms of just numbers. Well, we're got out that it does great things for your posterior. That's right, the deadlift develops, essentially think of it this way. It'll work your backside from your neck, all the way down to essentially your knees, even your calves a little bit, really put down to your knees.
Starting point is 00:17:34 So with good deadlifting, you'll develop hamstrings, really good hamstrings, really good glutes, amazing erector spin-A muscles. These are the muscles in the middle of your back that go all the way up. you'll get great lat activation, rhomboid and trapezius activation. In fact, all those muscles that just listed, the deadlift just happens to be either the best exercise for all those muscles or top three best exercise for all those muscles.
Starting point is 00:18:00 I can't think of another exercise that can do that, really. I mean, we just said hamstrings, glutes, all those back muscles, and I'm not even counting things like your grip and forearm strength. The deadlift is the best exercise, or at least top three for all of them. And there's camps right now that will make an argument of specific exercises that target those areas,
Starting point is 00:18:20 and therefore they think it's better. For example, doing a lying leg curl is going to target the hamstrings more directly, arguably than a deadlift, but it will not build your hamstrings more than a deadlift. That might be close. Yeah, not even close. And a lot of that has to do with the load. You just cannot load the lying leg curl the same way you can load a heavy deadlion.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Well, I remember you telling the story of when you used the hamstring curl all the time and you stopped so you could just deadlift and then you went back to the hamstring curl and you were strong as ever been in my life. Yeah. I mean, literally over 10 years of consistent lying leg curls consistently for 10 years and then taking a break for almost a year, and only deadlifting, because that was again, back when I was trying to chase your numbers, and so I was deadlifting, on a low week two times a week,
Starting point is 00:19:15 on a high week four times a week, and of course varying my load and everything in intensity. But that's how frequent I was deadlifting, because so I don't need to be doing any hamstring curls. And it wasn't until I had got my deadlift well over 500 pounds, that I thought, oh, let me see what I can leg crawl. I hadn't done any of these exercises,
Starting point is 00:19:33 and really got on the machine thinking that, okay, I haven't done it in a year. I can't expect to be as strong as I was, you know, last year when I was doing this at my peak, and low and behold, you know, I was like, double the weight, and it blew my mind. Yeah, the body responds to the environment that you present it in.
Starting point is 00:19:52 And the thing is, like, it's such a louder signal and it's such a louder, you know, response that the body has to account for. And so it's gonna, it's gonna try and adapt to this environment that you're placing in. So thinking of that versus like a single joint exercise versus a multi joint exercise,
Starting point is 00:20:11 you know, this overall demand is just gonna create a bigger response and a louder response. Oh, and so just for me, like again, when I first introduced these into my workouts, I remember just being blown away how this one exercise could get my body to respond more than all these other exercises I had done before. And then when I would train clients,
Starting point is 00:20:33 clients, of course, there would be a little bit of pushback, especially my older clients. Ooh, I don't know if I should be doing that, but they trusted me and luckily I'm convincing and I convinced them to do it. And within a month or two, they come back to me and be like, I feel I'm standing taller. I've never felt so strong.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Salina, back pain that used to bother me a little bit. I don't have it anymore. It doesn't bother me. Or I'd get my female clients where they'd come to me and be like, my husband's commenting on my backside or I don't can't believe how good I look. I had one woman who was getting married and she was gonna wear a dress where the back was exposed and she was afraid of deadlifting because of all the stuff we talked about
Starting point is 00:21:09 earlier. I said, don't worry about it. Anyway, she took a picture when she tried the dress on and then there was a picture from her actual wedding and there was a period of months in between them. And the before and after and there was incredible. Her mid, her low back, the low back where you see the curvature and where you get that nice space in between, looks really attractive on women. That was the part that she was most blown away. And this is over the course of months, like I think it was like three months.
Starting point is 00:21:33 It wasn't years or anything like that. So just an incredibly effective exercise. And then the crossover into the real world is just amazing. You get strong hands, you get a strong spine. You know, and you take your, if you were to take your spine out of your body, it's made up of all these joints. A spine, you try to stand it up on the table or on the floor and it flops over in whatever direction.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Okay, what supports it and keeps it rigid and prevents it from getting injured or all the muscles that surround it, all the muscles that are around it. And a big part of that are all the muscles of the back. And doing deadlifts will make, if you do them right and you get strong, let me put it this way. If you have good form, good technique and you're pretty strong at a deadlift, your back
Starting point is 00:22:17 is close to bulletproof. You're not going to hurt your back, lifting something off the floor at home. You're not going to hurt your back by picking up a box or playing with your kids. Your back becomes close to bulletproof. Here's the other thing. Besides what most people think, this is really best for beginners. Oh, it's a great exercise for beginners.
Starting point is 00:22:38 For beginners, when I think of how I used to train clients, so I avoided exercise like this because they were difficult. Later in my career, things like the squat and the deadlift began to become the center point of all of my programming. Like, if I got a beginner client and it doesn't matter what their goal was to lose body, fat, build muscle, longevity, overall health, whatever, but they are a new client
Starting point is 00:23:02 and they couldn't deadlift or squat very well, that was like everything. It was all about getting a good deadlift because I knew once I did that, it laid such a solid foundation for everything else that we were going to do. Not to mention all the benefits that come from doing this exercise, so it's not just getting good the deadlift lays this great foundation,
Starting point is 00:23:21 but the amount of calories it burns, the amount of muscle that it builds. And then when you were talking about the deadlift that's working the posterior chain, when you looked at common deviations on clients, we're so anterior driven, meaning all the, we work all the muscles in front of us. We're so rounded forward and we're closing in, right?
Starting point is 00:23:38 From sitting at desk and doing things in front of us, and the deadlift literally opposes all of that. It's one of the best exercises to bring you back into good posture. Yes. For all those things you mentioned, like we're always doing things in front of us and we're just not addressing our muscles behind us because it's just not a consideration that we have very often to really single that out. And like you, I started to rearrange the way I would deal with beginners because I looked at it.
Starting point is 00:24:06 I mean, this is the base. This is the base of the tree. This is a trunk of the tree. I have to start here in order to establish a good fundamental strength to then tear off from that and then introduce all these other variables to them. Now, when you're a beginner in your deadlift thing, just like with any other exercise, the goal is not to see how strong you can get, the goal is not to push yourself to your limit, the goal is to perfect the technique in the form. So treat the deadlift as a practice, right? So if you've never done it before or if you haven't done it in a while, when you go to the gym and it's time to deadlift, think of every set like practice, like you're practicing
Starting point is 00:24:42 your free throw or you're practicing your golf swing. You're not trying to do it as hard as you can. like practice, like you're practicing your free throw or you're practicing your golf swing. You're not trying to do it as hard as you can. You're just doing it over and over again with excellent technique, excellent form. Here's another thing to under for beginners that I often need to communicate. You want shoes that are very flat, okay?
Starting point is 00:24:57 Any kind of a heel in your shoe, like a running shoe. Running shoes tend to have a little bit of a heel. Most sneakers have a little bit of a heel. You don't want that because that throws your center of gravity forward a little bit. You want very flat shoes, so chucks are really good from converse or barefoot. Or barefoot. No, no, no, no, no, no. If you're working at home, you could go barefoot.
Starting point is 00:25:16 You want to have really, really flat feet. When you bend down and bend over to grab the bar, first off, make sure you can go all the way down to the bar with good form. If you can't, this is when it's okay to put on a rack and practice from higher heights. And this is what I would do with a lot of my clients. I would have them go down as low as they could with really good technique.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And if that wasn't enough to get a bar, that was the, whatever, what they call the regulatory height off the ground, which is the size of your 45-pound plate. That's how far all dead lifts start, right? If they can't go down like that without bad form, they're too tight or whatever, then I would put it up on a rack. So we would start with the bar up just above their knees or just below their knees. As they got better at that, then we would slowly lower the bar. Once we got down to the proper height, then I would go practice with the bar, then add a little bit of weight at a time.
Starting point is 00:26:07 The idea is to get really good with the technique. You also want to hinge at the hips, bend the knees, and when you come up, you don't want your hips, you don't want your knees to straighten before you come up with your hips. Okay, so this is an issue that sometimes beginners make, where they'll come up with the deadlift, and what'll happen is they'll straighten their knees,
Starting point is 00:26:24 and now the rest of the deadlift looks like straight legs, like a straight leg deadlift, which is not what we're trying to do here. They're both simultaneous knees and hips at the same time and then you stand up real tall with your shoulders. Otherwise you end up with this folded over upper body position that now I'm trying to hinge just my upper body up to make up for that last bit.
Starting point is 00:26:42 It all has to happen. Yes, brace your core while you're doing this. And don't exaggerate, here's another mistake, a lot of beginners make, they exaggerate the arch and their low back. They think that because they're bending over and hinging that they need to arch super strong, that will make you not feel too good in your low back.
Starting point is 00:26:58 You wanna have your normal neutral spine posture, brace it, keep it that way the entire time. And we've done some really good videos. I did a good Sumo Deadlifting video. I know collectively we've all done a Deadlift video on there. We did some great content with Jordan Siett on there that was for Deadlifting. We have tons of it. I think we have several videos with Jordan Shallow as far as Deadlifting. So of course, all of our programs have deadlift built into it. But then if you're looking to perfect the movement or learn the movement and get good at the technique of it,
Starting point is 00:27:33 absolutely use the Mindpunk TV as a resource. Now here's the fun part, right? Once you get to the point where your technique is really good and you're slowly adding weight and you can start to challenge yourself. The strength gains that come from the deadlift are fast and furious. They are really, really fun. It's enjoyable.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Pace yourself because sometimes you can push it a little bit too fast. But this is when you have a lot of fun. The deadlift is one of those exercises that is really, really good in the relatively low rep range. It's one of those exercises where anywhere between five to eight reps is great for most people. And you can have a lot of fun adding weight, little by little. I know with my beginning clients, once we got past the point of technique and mobility
Starting point is 00:28:16 and everything's looking good, I mean, it was not uncommon to add five to ten pounds every single week, which is exciting. I don't know too many other exercises where you see those kind of strengthings come on that quick. Do you guys think that some of the benefits that you get from deadlifting, similar to squat, is this way too? And I'm trying to think of another exercise where this comes in mind,
Starting point is 00:28:35 but they both have an isometric component in it the entire time. Like when you think about that exercise, like in order for you to deadlift, especially if you start lifting 100, 200, 300 plus pounds, the importance of being able to keep a rigid stable spine. It just forces an isometric contraction on all of those back muscles, your core muscles,
Starting point is 00:28:59 to hold that position. And then in top of that, you're also hip hinging, right? So the combination of that, you know, posterior chain and the hamstrings, the glutes having to fire, but then also the isometric contraction that you're getting all up and down your spine, I would think that has to be one of the major reasons
Starting point is 00:29:16 why it's so beneficial and so many people neglect isometric exercises. It is, and if you can lift good weight and maintain stable spine, you create a pattern, a movement pattern in your body where you're safe, you keep your back safe from injury in the everyday world. I mean, that's the recipe to promote strength is to create a situation where you can stabilize a substantial amount of load, and now you can generate more force to accommodate for that. So it's really the body just needs to know that all the joints are safe and stable and
Starting point is 00:29:55 accounted for in order to provide you with more of this force output. So the body just doesn't want to do that to injure you. So you're creating this environment now that shows that there's a way to channel this and harness that force that you have already. Do you guys notice how, and I think I really noticed this more recent than I did earlier on because of the emphasis
Starting point is 00:30:22 on how much deadlifting I did later on in my career. This just happened, I mean, just the other day, I was, we were coming back from somewhere, I don't remember where Katrina and I just went, not that long ago, it was a couple weeks ago. And she loaded her suitcase up with, I mean, the fucking thing had been 100 something pounds. Like it was so much.
Starting point is 00:30:38 What? Yeah, she must have, she would, you be paying a big bill too much. Yeah, she, but no, we weren't flying, we're driving. Or else the nurse, no, guarantee it was well over the 52 pound pound. She packed her dumbbells. Yeah, no, it reminds me of Spaceballs when she picks up that like huge hairdryer. Yeah, yeah, so it felt like that right so but the reason why I'm I'm sharing this is because I catch myself doing this naturally because I've trained the deadlift so often is all we have four flights of stairs
Starting point is 00:31:05 right in my house and so I go to get up the stairs and right away of course I'm like anybody else I default to my bad pattern I just kind of step on the step and right away I can feel like I'm not in a good position and I naturally just kind of hinge the hips back and then load the glutes and it's just because I've practiced that hip hinge so much in the deadlift, it's almost subconsciously as soon as my body feels, whoa, this is more weight than a, you know, if I'm carrying something light up and downstairs, you don't even think about it. But at the moment, I have to like, okay, focus a little bit on stabilizing and being in control. And I could hurt myself. My body naturally then kicked back into the and loaded my hips,
Starting point is 00:31:45 and it's from all that practice of hinging it, the hips with the deadlift, and I can feel myself walking up the stairs, I don't feel it in my low back, I feel it in my butt. My butt feels it as I'm walking up versus how most people would just kind of be holding on to the bags with their back all rounded as they go up and then would feel it in their low back.
Starting point is 00:32:02 It became your pattern. This is what these default patterns, that's how you develop these default patterns as you train them over time. And if your default pattern is to be stable with a deadlift with 200 pounds or whatever, lifting a suitcase or a box off the floor, you know, you don't have,
Starting point is 00:32:19 a default pattern or something you don't have to think about. So automatically, and I'm sure you realize that after. So I thought to yourself, wasn't like I stopped and thought about it, is I took the first step right away, didn't feel stable, and then, boom, my body kicked it back into my hips, it loaded my glutes. Exactly. And then I walked up the rest of the stairs.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Exactly. Here's another thing a lot of people, or this is funny that people aren't talking about this because this isn't in all the current literature, but one of the body parts that they're noticing the greatest weaknesses right now is in our hands. In fact, there was a study done recently. I was like a couple of years ago at college campuses
Starting point is 00:32:52 where they were testing young men's grip strength and then they compared it to a test that was done in the early 80s. So essentially, these young men's grip strength compared to the strength of their dads, hands, back when they were the same age. And it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:33:09 It was like 30, 50% weaker. They compared these young men's strength to the 70 year old man's strength back in the early 80s. Carpool Tunnel Syndrome is quite common now. You're starting to see a lot of wrist injuries and hand, our hands are getting very, very weak. And we primates and our hands should be one of the stronger parts of our body. Deadlifts really do a good job of giving you stronger hands.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Now here's the thing, here's why you think to yourself, why do I need strong hands for? Your hands still today connect you to the rest of your world. Anything you do move, touch, whatever, if you lift it in the real world, it's probably gonna be connected to you through your hands. You need to have strong hands, and if you've ever moved out of your apartment or your house, you know exactly what I'm talking about. An hour later, it's typically your hands
Starting point is 00:33:57 that are getting up. Everything's like riding on one finger that's like holding everything left. Don't be that guy who has to set his dresser down every 10 seconds. Yeah. You Don't be that guy who has to set his dresser down every 10 seconds. Yeah. You never want to be that guy, right? I tried doing that with my dad.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Or the other guy who doesn't want to put it down, but his grip is going right, then you dropped his shirt. No, I do with my dad. The difference between me and my dad is I have strong hands, but they're not tough. His hands, he's got that thick skin, you know? So I'm like, how does this not like tear you up? It doesn't even feel it.
Starting point is 00:34:25 As far as strength is concerned, or carry over for sports, it's excellent. It gives you that strong posterior chain. For some sports, in my opinion, deadlifts are essential. I mean, if you're a grappler, you gotta have a good day. If you wanna lift people off the ground
Starting point is 00:34:40 and launch them, you need to have a good deadlift. And I remember, you know, doing Jiu-Jitsu and Judo, and when my deadlift strength was good, I felt, if I got a hold of somebody, even if my technique wasn't 100%, they were gonna get frequent flyer miles because I felt so strong in that position. I feel too that you're more grounded.
Starting point is 00:34:58 So, and I know like every sport varies in terms of like, what skills are probably best for, but this being like a fundamental thing to be able to organize your body to all of a sudden brace and be able to like control the ground that where you are on the field or on the court or wherever it is, I mean, that's a crucial element in sports. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:21 No, you're a good point with like being grounded because actually a lot of other exercises in sports is on the balls of your feet. Yes. So much of the emphasis is put on that a majority of the time. And so making sure that you're training where you are completely grounded and driving into the heels plays a big role in working the opposite side. It does. And again, it just gives you that overall body strength. And I'll say this, like you talk to any trainer who's worth their salt, you talk to any athletic coach. And they'll tell you that some of the most important muscles
Starting point is 00:35:52 on athletes are revolve around the hips, the lumbopel the hip area, right? The glutes, the hamstrings, and then the back. Like if those are well developed and strong, you're gonna be a better athlete, you're gonna be tougher. You see this in football players, quite often, you see this in wrestlers, you see this in many, many at baseball players even. Their ability to sprint and take off and stabilize,
Starting point is 00:36:15 it's glutes, low back, upper back, those are all very, very important. More important than some of the other muscles on the body that we tend to glorify. And the deadlift works all of them. So it's one of the best exercises for overall strength. As far as muscle development is concerned, holy Toledo, I mean, if you want to look good from the back, I cannot, there's no single exercise
Starting point is 00:36:36 that can compete to the deadlift. I would literally have to put together five, probably four or five exercises in order to equal the bang for, you know, for the, it's dollar to the deadlift, right? Like how many exercises that work? All the muscles of the back, the glutes and the hamstrings as effectively as the deadlift.
Starting point is 00:36:56 You have to do like three or four exercises. Just do that. Well, not only do I agree with this, this is also an opportunity to address stuff that I see floating around on social media these days, which drives me crazy. There is this camp that likes to point out when people talk about deadlifting for the back that it is not a back exercise.
Starting point is 00:37:16 It's a lower body exercise. It's a hip hinge exercise. It's not a great exercise for the back. And it's always said by... It's always said by people who don't deadlift. Well, it's always said by people who don't deadlift. Well, it's always said by somebody who doesn't have an impressive back either. Show me somebody who has some of the most impressive backs
Starting point is 00:37:33 and then ask all of them if they believe that they attribute some or if not all of that to their deadlifting. I mean, for me personally, my back went to a whole nother level. Somewhere on your Instagram, you have that before and after. Yeah, it's deep, my, it's in there. But it was literally, you know, he was a pro in both pictures.
Starting point is 00:37:54 So you're talking about years of training. And then the difference between one picture and the other was months. And the only difference was you had a dead, and it was so stark and different. It was crazy. No, no, it completely changed my back. It looked completely different.
Starting point is 00:38:07 I built muscles in my back that it didn't look like I had them before, and it was purely just from dead. And the irony is that I was just like the hamstring analogy. When I started deadl... When you start deadlifting as frequent as three times a week, it obviously ends up replacing a lot of other stuff. I wasn't doing a lot of rowing exercises
Starting point is 00:38:29 and machine back exercises anymore. Like I didn't have time to do all that stuff because I was spending it all on improving my deadlift because that's what I was chasing. The irony was less exercises, more focus just on that. Bigger, more developed back from deadlifting. Didn't you notice, I think was your cable row that you went back to?
Starting point is 00:38:47 Oh yeah, just the similar thing happened with the leg curls, like so I talk about how I stopped leg curling. I also completely eliminated seated row. It just seated row became a, you know, totally foreign exercise to me, which was a staple. I, for at least a decade of weight training, anytime I did back, Cedero was like the first, you know, Cedero or pull-ups was always my first exercise that I did to start my back workout
Starting point is 00:39:15 for the longest time. And then when I got into deadlifting consistently, that completely went out the door. I was just like, okay, I'm not going to Cedero. I'm going to get into priming for my back and getting my hips already to go heavy deadlift and deadlifting became like, you know, a 20 minute to 30 minute section of my lifting. It was all centered around that. And so I had to drop off some of these exercises that I thought were going to be less beneficial to improving my deadlift. Because again, at that point, the main focus was to get a better deadlift and get strong. The irony and the funny
Starting point is 00:39:46 part about it was that I ended up building a better looking back by just doing deadlifts than all those other auxiliary movements that I was doing. When you went back to the row, you were strong. Oh, yeah. And then I went back to the row and I had added like well over 50 pounds to the seat of row while not doing it. That's so crazy. Yeah, that's insane because that's so opposite of what you would think. And a lot of these guys and girls that are on there saying, oh, this doesn't work the
Starting point is 00:40:12 back. They tend to be these biomechanic experts. And yes, biomechanically speaking, the deadlift is a lumbol pelvic hip exercise. It is a hip exercise. But the tension you place on your back, and especially because it's connecting to your arms, and the bracing that is required, and there is some range of motion happening. When you're bent over in a deadlift,
Starting point is 00:40:32 and you come up to straight, you get lat activation, you get rhomboid and trap activation. You just being retracted, too, and you're contracting your back. And just okay, up until this point, years decade over decade of weight training and getting strong It pull up strong at row strong at been over row. I got really strong all that in fact I think pro so up at that point my lower back and mid back
Starting point is 00:40:56 Had never felt more than about 225 so I think at one point. I was really strong rowing about 220 Ben over row 22 25 and probably seated row with the cables like 175 or 150. So until deadlifting became a staple in my life, my back had never felt 300, 400, 550 pounds before. So you know shit, it got strong and it grew because all those other exercises, I could never progress
Starting point is 00:41:25 to that kind of way. We're deadlifting allowed me to progress to that much load. That much load, just isometrically holding with the back. You're going to build a back. Now one thing I want to add, you said deadlifting three days a week or two days a week or four days a week, here's the thing, and this is true for any exercise, but especially a complex gross motor movement like the deadlift, make sure you modify your intensity if you do that. And that's actually how I recommend.
Starting point is 00:41:50 If you really want to get good at the deadlift, frequency is very important. I think two days a week, a deadlifting for most people is great for people more advanced. You could do three days a week. But that doesn't mean you're going hard two or three days a week. I think hard once a week. So if I'm in a deadlift hard two or three days a week. I think hard once a week. So if I'm in a deadlift hard, it's once a week. The second day or the third day, it's technique. You start taping off a little bit.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Yes, it's form. I'm going much lighter. I'm focusing on how on the feel the lift on my technique. One day a week is heavy. I don't think it's for most people. You go too hard with two or three days a week of deadlift thing. I actually would never even go heavy. If I was doing three and four, this was like, this is all technique.
Starting point is 00:42:30 It was never heavy and hard. And if I, what I would do though, let's say I did two or three weeks in a row of like a lot of frequency, like three days a week of deadlifting. And then now I wanted to see my strength. Then I would plan, okay, next week, I'm gonna see what my max is or what I'm up to. And then I would drop down to only two times a deadlift in that week.
Starting point is 00:42:51 It would be a real hard, heavy one. And then it would be like a real light one and just kind of like going form and technique or speed, something like that. Right, right. Now, if you wanna get a stronger deadlift for those of you who are listening who are more advanced, one exercise that's got tremendous carry over
Starting point is 00:43:05 to the deadlift is the squat. You get stronger at squatting, your deadlift tends to go up. Here's the second thing. One of the beauties of the deadlift, there's two things that I love about it. Number one, you don't need a spotter. The floor's right there, so it's very easy to put it down. Number two, it's an easy exercise to use
Starting point is 00:43:22 progressive resistance on. And deadlift works so well with progressive resistance. I love present correct. Yeah, I can't even say Really fast. Yeah, yeah with rubber bands or chains or things like that to use on the outside It just gives you that nice and matches your strength curve like it's just a nice way to introduce you know an even higher amount of resistance. Oh, it's for progressive resistance, it goes deadlift first, then squat, and then bench press in terms of the best exercises
Starting point is 00:43:54 to do those with. And this is literally how it works. You get a heavy chain, you attach it to the sides of the bar, and as you lift, each link starts to come off the floor, so the weight starts to get heavier. Just gradually gets heavier. That's it, and incidentally, your strongest at the top of the deadlift and weakest at the bottom, so it matches your strength curve.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Resistance bands do this as well, and when I added those is when I got my deadlift over the 600 pound mark, that's when I hit my highest deadlift of all time, was I was practicing a lot with progressive resistance. The other thing you do with bands is you can attach a bit angles. So if you focus, if you want to focus on the pull back or the lock out or different, you can change the angle so that the bands are maybe pulling the bar away from you to make you focus on staying back on your heels and pulling back. So dead lifts, phenomenal exercise.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Every single person should do them, get really good at them, practice them, and they get strong at them to develop the best hamstrings, glutes, and back that you'll get in your entire life. To your back bulletproof. That's it. Look, my pump is recorded on videos as well as audio so you can come find us on YouTube, My Pump Podcast. You can also find all of us on social media.
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