Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1432: How to Be a Strong Woman With Helen Lin

Episode Date: November 26, 2020

In this episode, Sal, Adam & Justin speak with contest winner Helen Lin. How long has she listened to the show? (3:00) Her fascinating background and introduction to health and fitness. (4:00) When did she notice the benefits of fitness? (10:06) The crazy world of ice swimming. (12:37) The driving force of wanting to stand out. (14:00) When did she discover strength training? (19:06) Why she doesn’t do things for fun, but competition. (23:02) The level of strength stamina required for rock climbers. (25:18) What are some of her favorite climbs? (27:34) Her path to American Ninja Warrior. (28:30) When did she get into Olympic lifting? (33:00) The pivotal moments in her nutrition journey. (36:26) The commonalities between the Mind Pump method and her own. (39:22) The value of Organifi’s products. (41:16) Protein, the magical macronutrient. (42:43) Her experience with in-home training. (44:55) Creating that cultural shift to the benefits of resistance training. (46:41) What does she do to let loose? (51:02) Featured Guest/People Mentioned Happy Helen Fitness Ninja Warrior David Campbell (@ninjagodfather)  Instagram Jessica Di Stefano (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Ultimate At-Home Workout Bundle for Only $99.99 The Ice Mile - Outdoor Swimming Society American Ninja Warrior Gyms - Home Mind Pump #1305: Five Steps To Intuitive Eating Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1220: The 4 Best Sources Of Protein Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this Mindpump episode, we actually interview one of our listeners, one of our fans. She won a contest to come up on the show and what we didn't know was this person was extremely accomplished and very, very interesting. Her name is Helen Lynn. She's a personal trainer with some incredible accomplishments.

You won't believe the stuff you hear in this episode. She's a badass. We have a lot of fun talking to her in this episode. Now, we did talk about some of her favorite supplements. So she did mention Organifi, which is one of our sponsors. By the way, you can get 20% off all the products. If you use the code MindPump at organifi.com forward slash MindPump, we also brought up Zbiotics, which is a product

you take before you drink alcohol to prevent the negative effects from alcohol. Now, she doesn't really drink, but we did bring it up and, of course, Adam and Justin piped up because they do love to drink. And you get a discount with Zbiotics as well. Just go to zbiotics.com forward slash mine pump for 10% off your first order. Now, if you want to learn more about Helen, go check her out at happyhellenfitness.com, but we do think you're gonna love this episode. It's always fun to talk to our fans. It's even more fun and exciting when they're surprisingly more fit and accomplished than the hosts of Mind Pump.

So we know you're gonna enjoy this episode. Helen, welcome to Mind Pump Studio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you were the person that won the contest. The big winner. The big winner. Oh, yeah.

So I have a question for you. Okay. You got to be honest. Okay. So who's your least favorite host? Yeah, we got to start. And why is it Adam? Whatever, Sal.

She just took the pressure off of you. Yeah. Totally. Totally the pressure off of you. Totally. So how long you've been listening to the show? How did you enter into the contest? I've been listening to the show probably about two years. And then I saw the contest on... Maybe you guys sent an email, someone sent out an email,

or maybe it was on the forum, probably a little bit of both. And I thought, yeah, I want that. Who wins contest in their adult age? I know, right? I feel like they're fake half the time. Yeah, well that's the fake. Now you're like extremely accomplished. So we get this bio from our assistant, right?

Because you're coming in and we want to have you on the podcast. That's part of the, you know, the contest. We want to know what we're in for. And it's like, yeah, let's get to know you a little bit. And I'm being totally honest. We felt insecure. She had to get us multiple sheets. One sheet wasn't enough for you.

Yeah, it was actually like some heavy reading to get to all of this. Yeah, you're a badass. How did you get into fitness or athletic competition? Because I don't want to give it all the way yet, but there's some stuff on there that's pretty crazy. Yes, there are crazy. Yes. How did I get started in fitness in general? Yeah.

Well, I guess that co's, I mean, it starts back from, I was a swimmer. I started as a swimmer. What age, you really young or was it? 15, which isn't actually that young because by the time it was 15, and I joined swim team, everyone was swimming at nationals, and I was just learning to swim.

So at the time, you feel that young, but obviously, it feels young now. But I joined a swim team, loved it, and that's, I guess, where started in terms of my love for athletic pursuits. But I just thought, I didn't realize that's I guess where started in terms of my love for athletic pursuits But I just thought I didn't realize I didn't I wouldn't call myself an athlete. I just was a swimmer So were you competitive right out the gates? Yeah, that's what I want to know. Oh, yeah I made a club swim team

But I know I was never I wasn't any good, but I made it for enthusiasm That was my thing so like in high school. They always gave me the most inspirational word Right first, you know like instead of the MVP That was my thing. So like in high school, they always gave me the most inspirational award. Right? First, you know, like instead of the MVP, it was, well, you were really looking like a clown on the side cheering, but we'll give you that reward. You know, so that was my thing, you know. I was good at it too. Yeah, great attitude award.

That's very humble, you know. Now, did you, were you though competitive with yourself? So maybe you weren't, you know, you weren't as much competitive as far as feeling like you were the MVP, but were you the type that's very competitive with yourself? Oh, I mean, being an Asian, growing up with strict family in which you're supposed to be a doctor, lawyer. I was none of those things,

was not interested in math and science at all. So I think it kind of funneled itself into athletic pursuits. So that meant I had to be the best. But the problem is it's really hard to be the best. But you don't know that as a young kid because you're taught that you can do anything you want and you can be the best.

So yes, so I was very competitive with myself in the sense that I wanted to be number one. But I really didn't know how to get there. So I think that's probably why I ended up doing to be number one, but I really didn't know how to get there. So I think that's probably why I ended up doing so many different types of activities later in life because I think I switched things when I think, well maybe this one is the one I'm gonna be the best in. Tell me a little bit more about that. That's interesting. The pressure as a kid to go down the lawyer or doctor out and then you push back,

what was that like? I mean, was there a lot of like rift between you and your parents early on and then they, at what point do they accept the direction you were gonna do? What was, what has that been like for you? I'm not sure they've ever accepted, but growing up, I didn't get into an Ivy League school. That's one, you're supposed to get an Ivy League school. Strike one. Yeah. It's one, you're supposed to get an Ivy League school. Strike one.

Yeah. Is it just Boston University? No big deal. Yeah, you're right. Didn't get an Ivy League. I got A's and B's, not good. You know, I got to get all A's. And I was interested in theater.

Terrible. Oh my gosh, my family did not like that either. And they weren't really particularly in love with athletic stuff either. So I just, I think I did not like that either. And they weren't really particularly in love with the athletic stuff either. So I just, so I think I just completely rebelled and as I got older, I just decided to do all the things that they didn't really want me to do. So I think some of this is like rebelly

and like no, I'm not gonna enjoy studying. You're super punk rock. This is fascinating. So, because I have young kids, and so these guys, so the way you rebelled was it just be good at sports and get A's and B's. Yeah, damn, I gotta meet your parents.

Yeah, that's it. Most kids rebelled at new drugs, or you know, they go, they're gonna get on the rock. They're gonna get on the rock. Yeah, but let's try trying to, I think in the back of your subconsciously, you want the validation. because I know all my

Sport athletic pursuits were all for validation. I was all trying to find some self-worth that you know I didn't get from my family because I never did those specific things so I think in my back of subconsciously I thought I was best at this thing it would win their approval. Oh, yeah, but they never gave their approval really So I think I just you know as an, you just have to make peace with these. So you just continued kicking ass. That's always different. What was the next one that followed up swimming? What was your...

Yeah, so it was swimming. So swimming has been a huge part of my life for good, I don't know, probably 15 years. So regular stuff, like you were a swimmer too, right? No, I was never on a team. I was just good at it. Like I could get... Oh, can get the first time I go. It looks like a swimmer. Yeah, it wasn't until, no this was not until,

and this isn't about me right, but I mean, I'm not a model. I'm just handsome. I was just feeling like a swimmer. I'm like, this is so sweet. Listen Linda, listen. When I was 25 in the middle of like being a big meathead guy, I was like 230 pounds at this time. We had this thing at 24 Fitness

where all the managers and the company got together and they had this little triathlon, but it was like an indoor swimming, biking, running type of competition. And so, and they grouped us all up and somebody said, I'll take the bike, I'll take the run, and I just got kind of thrown into the pool. And I was they grouped us all up and somebody said, you know, all take the bike, all take the run and I just got kind of thrown into the pool and I was like, okay, that's cool because I always like to swim as a kid. I was born on the lake and I'll do and things like that and you know,

when I was a kid racing around, I was pretty quick. So let's see. Why was racing against a former Iron Man and then a former Navy SEAL guy? And I whooped him. And I was like, I was not in like swimming shape at all. And that was like the first time I had realized, like, oh, maybe I'm like, would have been good at this. And so I never really slammed, though competitively. I just, I think I was built for it. I got narrow way skinny legs and then a big wide back. So, you went into bodybuilding.

Yeah. You know the worst. Yeah, well like you, I do the opposite of whatever things I should do. So, Helen, so did you you. I do the opposite of whatever things I should do. So, right, exactly. So Helen, so did you, Yes, swimming. In terms of the, when did you start to notice the benefits for yourself?

Obviously, you're saying you're doing it because you wanted some validation, but at some, because I started working out, because I was insecure, but the side effect of that was, I started to really notice the benefits for, you know, feeling confident,

you know, learning about hard work and effort and all the wonderful benefits you get from fitness. Did you start to pick up on that as well? Did it make you feel good? Was this something that kind of molded you? Not when I was that young. So I mean, yeah, because when I started, yes, later in life for sure, probably when I got to the rock climbing part of my life, then yes, that's when I actually care about fitness. So I started with swimming as a kid and then when I went to college, I was too slow to swimming college, so I just did theater. And then after college, I started picking up swimming again and did, I mean, master swimming

is just 18 and up. It sounds impressive, but just means you're an adult and they call you masters. So we did master swimming and I did all the competitions there, you there. And then I started doing open water swimming. So that's just when you swim out in the ocean or lake or whatever. So no lane lines. Which is way harder. You can't see the bottom. You know, pure freight of sharks, all that stuff.

So I started doing open water swimming because I was getting bored with doing like every competition pool swimming under the sun. So I had one thing else. So it introduced me to open water swimming. And I started to open water swimming. And I started to open water swimming. And then probably there was this one summer, I came to California a lot, because I did every open water race

there was over here, because you guys have great oceans and races. So I did something like 18 races, in like 12 weeks or something. I just flew back and forth, we didn't even Boston in here. And I did Alcatraz, Golden Gate Bridge, all that stuff. And then I was like,

well, what do I do now? Like I did all these races. So then I started doing marathon swimming. That's all leads to the fitness, I promise. I started doing marathon swimming when you swim over 10 miles. No, it's over 6.2 miles is marathon swimming. So that's when you swim in the open water

for over a certain amount of distance. That's terrifying to me. Yeah, just to think you're swimming for that, how long are you in the water for? Well, at least, minimum only probably around three hours or more or more. And so usually that's the shorter end of the day. So you're swimming for three hours in open water.

Did you have any seaweed, tickler legs? Oh yeah, I mean, you run into all sorts of stuff on your foot. What are swimming? It's part of the joy, you know. That made me go fast. Sure. Yeah, I mean you run into all sorts of stuff. Yeah, it's got a quick yeah. It's part of the joy, you know. I mean, we go fast. Sure. Yeah, I can't imagine you dog paddling for three hours.

I can either. Yeah, I can do it. I've done three minutes. So I read in your bio that you competed in these like super cold water. Yes. What is that? Yeah, so after the marathon swims in which I did a few of those,

I was like, well, what's next? So then I started doing, I didn't want to stop swimming in the winter time because I was just feeling very stubborn. And so I thought to myself, summer's not over if I just keep swimming in the ocean and I live in Boston. And as I got colder, I just kept swimming.

And I say I knew it was like February and I was snowing and I was still going out there. And my body was acclimating to the cold. Like you guys know, your body can acclimate to anything and I just kind of rode the temperature down as the water temperature came down. And next I know I was swimming in the middle of winter and found out there's a whole community

of people who do ice swimming. A lot in Russia and Sweden. Other countries. But yeah, the ice swimming is... Polar Bear Crew is polar bear crew is yet ball that's the way we make fun of them because it's on polar plunge we're actually swimming uh... uh... where they snobber big snows about it the only idiots would say that

no and also know what suits uh... okay so that's the more purist right you have to swim with english channel rules which is when you swim with English channel rules, which is when you swim the English channel, English channel rules, you swim only swim cap goggles and bathing suit, nothing else, no assistance. Oh, our core. Yeah, so that's the baller rules. Okay, so what is driving you at this point? Is this pure rebellion right

now? Or because you're you're you're you're saying that you're not very good at it, but that you're doing all these competitions, you're getting crazier and crazier levels of it. What is it that's the driving force of this at this time? Yeah, I'm not a great question. Well, the driving force is wanting to stand out, I think, because I wasn't good enough for any of these things, I just did them. I would, for me, as the act, like marathon swims

is great because you just had to finish them. In competition, you have to be the fastest you have to be the strongest you have to you know Those kind of things but in these weird things. I do you just have to do it and not die and it's a miracle So like just the act of doing it is is good enough So I think that's what I was doing is trying to find and I mean honestly the rush of you guys know like you do the ice bath thing The rush afterwards feels amazing from an ice swim. Yeah, so After all the shakes are gone. It feels like endorphins rushing. So there is a definitely an endorphin for addiction for sure for some of these niche things, but the ice swimming for sure It's a there's a thing called an ice smile, which is you swim one mile under 41 degree

Temperature and then you do that. Yeah, if you do it you get a red jacket and you get to be part of this club So there's a thing called an ice smile, which is you swim one mile under 41 degree temperature. And then if you do that, yeah, if you do what you get a red jacket and you get to be part of this club. So you did that? Come on, Jay, Jay. What is that? What is that?

Cool. Hold on a sec. What does that feel like? Because I've done ice dips in temperature water like that. Yeah. And this is the truth now. If I go beyond two minutes, I'm like super proud of myself.

Yeah, because it's endurance, but how do you breathe and manage that? Because you're tensing up so much. Well, I mean, I train for it for a few months, but you just keep going out as it gets colder or watching your time and making sure you're not staying in too long. And obviously having people watch you and whatnot, but it's just constant exposure and pushing it a little bit longer at a time. It's very dangerous, don't you wrong? But I mean, it took me 33 minutes. So I was in the water for about 30 minutes. Oh my God. To do a mile at that temperature. And you come out and they wrap you up in blank as all right, and you shiver for like 15 minutes and then you're fine. Wow. So it seems like

your superpower that you might have. No, I, I mean seriously because it looks like you were searching for your superpower and it looks like you discovered that it was tenacity. Am I am I am I correct? I don't know maybe. Like you just go after it and you go and you do it. I just go and do it. You're right. I just go out and I do it because worse I mean no one else not a lot of people are so kind of. So, yeah, we're doing, okay, so now we're doing, now we're moving on to crazy swimming. I swim, okay. What comes next?

Well, hold on, before you say that, I wanna ask you about this, you'll definitely know more than I will. I read somewhere that one of the sports where women compete directly against men and oftentimes beat them is an endurance swimming or cold swimming in particular. Is this true?

I mean, from what I read and also from the community, it seems true because, I mean, there's a lot of guys as well, but for sure, the endurance, I don't know, I mean, maybe we store fat in certain places that really help protect the organs so we can stay out there longer. But yeah, so I was, I mean, I don't know who knows, I don't really know. I just, I really enjoy the rush as all I can do. Yeah, because I remember reading somewhere

that this woman broke the world record. And it was all, it was both genders, right? And she crushed it. And then in the article, they said that women seem to perform really well, period in these kinds of sports. So it's okay. So when you're competing, are you, is it just open or is it just women just man?

Do they put everybody together? Well, in something like an ice smile, it's not a race. You literally just do it and complete it. It's all about completion. So you do it and that's it. Yeah, just so it's so dangerous that you just need to get the right temperature and be able to be able to finish it

because we've watched people finish unconsciously and to be taken to the hospital. What? Yeah, because it's that because it's hypothermia. They following you with like a little boat just like that. Yeah, so there's there's boat and all that stuff and and also your mind I have an experience that but you can just black out and keep swimming. Yeah, yeah So you gotta keep your head above the water the whole time? Yes, so I read a study on that. Yeah, you can't breathe underwater. Yeah, really? Even with a snorkel though.

Yes, so the faster you are, the better, because you can generate more heat and also get out of the water sooner, right? But if you're slow, then maybe having a little more body fat will help too, so it kind of individual level. Now, is it common that in almost everyone, these races, someone's getting pulled out of the water? Because they don't make it or blackout.

Well, I mean, again, in terms of ice smell, it's not a day like set race. You just, it's like swimming, well, maybe you swimming the English channel, I don't know if you guys know, if you swim the English channel, it's not like a race day. You pick, you have to hire a bow and they have tides. And you have to just go with the tides. And so you just kind of wait for your window of tide

for English channel. And with the ice smell, you kind of just, you have to just plan that day and go. There's no race. And so you just have to have an observer and staff. And then you complete it under these specific rules and submit to an organization that, you know, deems it that you follow all the rules. So yeah, so it's not a race day. They would never organize something like that. I think is just too dangerous for people to try and make it that competitive because you just want to finish. Now, are you lifting weights as part of your training

for swimming at this point, or was that something that happened after? No, I was pure cardio for the first 20 years in my life and then pure endurance. Okay, so that was, that's very important. The first half of life, I was like cardio swimming endurance, crazy ice things. And then no lifting at all, no strength training whatsoever, nothing.

When did you discover that? So then at one point I was having a swimmer crisis, or identity crisis or something, which people were like, this is Helen, she's that crazy swimmer, or crazy ice swimmer. And I just, that my identity was always known as just a swimmer, because that's all I've been doing. I was on, you know, swimming boards. I travel all these races are so involved

that this is just all consuming of my life, which I love. But I don't know what happened one day, I woke up and was like, oh my God, is this all I am, just a swimmer? Am I nothing else? Am I an athlete? Am I the person that didn't go to, you know, Harvard?

Like, who am I, am I just a swimmer? So I was having this identity crisis. So then I started on a whim, try rock climbing. And I found out that I had really strong lats, maybe from the swimming. Oh, for sure, yeah. So I was just really good at rock climbing with upper body strength.

So I was completely shocked that I just did some rock climbing and I could do a bunch of pull ups. And I was like, this is amazing. I could never do pull ups with that. So I had some naturally strong lats, I guess, from the swimming. And that's when the rock climbing started. And when you rock climb, you have to really be fit. Like swimming, you can be, you can eat unhealthy.

You don't have to weigh a certain way. You can be fast swimmer and be different body shapes for most. Obviously, we're not talking about lead level, which I'm not going to be able to be. But with rock climbing, you have to be fit. You people had muscles. When I started rock climbing I realized people had muscles. Swimming people didn't have muscles.

I mean not again not a lead level but especially marathon swims. If you ever see a group of marathon swimmers you would be like those people work out. But just the body shape of the people who do marathon swimming. But yeah when I started climbing, I was like, wow, people look amazing. They have muscles, they have definition. They probably eat right. If you hold your whole body way up with your fingers.

Yeah, I was going to say because some body fat in the water can actually make you a little bit more buoyant. But in rock climbing, it's just weight, right? It's hard to pull yourself up in the head. It's a disadvantage there. No advantages. And did that appeal to you? Like seeing that going like,

oh, wow, they're all really strong. And is this what led you to the gym? Yes. Well, so I once, well, so started climbing. And I was developing muscles. And I was like, oh, cool. Like these things, this is great. And I think, because I was already

trying to find a new identity anyway. So I really thought that was really cool. And it seemed cool to have muscles. And I want to be a better climber. so I really wanted to develop some more strength to compliment that. And I think this is also around the time. So I started lifting weights and not knowing what I was doing, doing the whole body split thing and looking at reading every article under the Sun, probably under BodyBuilding.com.

I was going to ask you so. So you got your information from the BodyBu bodybuilding websites on how to work out. So we all started there. I copied so many workouts. Well, also the other thing is, this is very funny at the time, I was like, I want a six pack, right? Like everyone, but not like,

like the bodybuilder sits back when women that has the six. You wanted a vein. Yes, I want like a five percent, but I didn't know that that was, I didn't understand the things I understand now, how ridiculous that really is. But at the time I was new to fitness, I was new to being climber and I just thought,

and I had the mentality of, well, if you put your mind to it, you can do anything. So I was like, I'm going to get the six pack, and I think that's also part of reason why I'm asking you for help, Sal. Yes. For a lot of things, because I was just focused on looking a certain way, because it just

looked cool on the wall too. So that was when I was like, I want to look a certain way, I want to get a six pack and everyone's going to think I'm amazing because I have a six pack. Now, are you competing in rock climbing or is this just for fun and is it indoor or outdoor? It's never for fun, so. Okay. It's always for competition. With you and I'm getting that, just there.

I do that. Yeah, no, so I did a lot of competitions because that's what I do. I go in, I do competitions and I cry at every single one of them because with rock climbing competitions, it's very subjective. With rock climbing, have you guys ever climbed rock climbing? Any of you?

No, I stepped up the curve for like, boulders. Could you imagine him climbing your rock? Get the fuck out of here. That's why I didn't say it long. Look at those short little stubby paws and those big old cakes. The way he's climbing the prerogative. He pulls the rock down. Yeah. I do climb a lot though with my boys, but it's nothing, nothing like, you know,

what you're talking about. Sure, sure. So what is a competition look like? Is it just for time? Like who can get up to the top first or? Yeah, I mean, so in rock climbing competitions, you have to hit a certain amount of boulders with, that was worth a certain amount of points. Oh.

And then you kind of do that. But the thing with rock climbing is that everything's subjective. So swimming is great because you can be the fastest or the slowest. There's a time. Rock climbing, when you, you can argue about who's the best rock climber because every climb is- Where the path they take, right? Yeah, the problem, the way you solve it, the root, and do your body type, right?

If you and I went rock climbing, we have very different beta, which is kind of the road map to how you climb it. So like, if Adam climbs something, he might be able to just reach something whereas I have to get my feet up and do a whole thing but I'm shorter and more flexible so that might help. So like how you do it is dependent on that person but how that person sets the problem is all dependent on the setter.

Right, so everything's subjective so it's kind of hard to measure who's a good rock climber. I mean, obviously you can tell people's levelability but in terms of how do you judge who's the best out of competence? Now that's gotta be frustrating. Yes, that's what it is. That's like bodybuilding, you know,

that's one of those things. It's just it. Yeah, it's so hard. Like wait a second, that's not fair. Right, so I cried after everyone, because again, I was trying to be the best of something, and I couldn't, and even though I would win, I would still cry, because I didn't understand

how, what that meant, and if I didn't win, I would cry. And I think my boyfriend was just like, stop doing these conversations. That's so emotional. Right, this was a fun, and I'm like, I don't know what having fun is. I just have to do these things and be competitive, right? So that was a miserable.

That was the strength training helping you when you started doing it? It was, for sure. I remember asking you on a DM, I was like, should I climb or lift weights first? And you were like, just do whatever's priority first. Yes. And so, and I was like, okay, I think it's climbing.

So I would climb first and I'll lift like that afternoon. I don't really know because I don't think it got me that six pack no matter what I did. Mm-hmm. That I kept trying to go for, but I mean, I think as you guys know, if you want to be better at that sport, you just have to do things in that sport. Like, no supplement, things are going to make that huge amount.

It helps. Like, maybe if you're really weak, but I didn't find lifting itself, benefit, you know, your finger strength, you know, I mean, that kind of stuff, not so much. Not as much as the actual rock climbing itself. Right. But I enjoyed lifting and made me feel good and strong, so I enjoy the feeling. Well, the type of grip strength you need for rock climbing is quite specific to rock climbing.

There's definitely general hand strength, but like if I, for example, were to hold onto a barbell or squeeze a squeeze, you know, test against a high level rock climber, I would probably do pretty well, but hanging off of rocks, grabbing different positions, using the fingertips the way you guys do, I would get killed. It's a totally different kind of strength, stamina, and you need a certain level of toughness. Correct me if I'm wrong in your fingers, because, and you need a certain level of toughness, correct me if I'm wrong, in your fingers, because, you know, like I said, I can hold the heavy barbell,

but if I put my fingertips on something to try and squeeze, it the pain makes me like, oh, because I just, I don't have the toughness in my finger tip. But you get super connected to your body though, I'm sure, like that, not carryover, yeah. So for that going into weightlifting. For sure, so yeah, it's all finger strength and through your toes as well and also keeping core tension when you're doing

an upside down overhang as we call it. But I mean, it's really fun and it's great. But the thing with rock climbing is also you have to use your brain a lot. So you have to solve, it's a puzzle. When you look at a climb, you have to solve it to see how to get up it, doing this move, doing that. So a lot of people like it because it's using your brain.

It's a real too. Exactly. And I didn't love that. Any favorite. I don't like this. I just wanted to work out. Any of your favorite climbs that you've done? Any notable ones?

No. Well, so I'm a boulder. So I don't do any rope climb. My friends make fun of me. But I'm a pure boulder. And the reason for this is so bouldering for people to know is basically you just climb as high as you're willing to fall. So that means you're climbing small rocks, which could be like 10, I mean, there are some

high boulders, 10 to 15 feet, maybe even 20, and then you just jump down onto a crash pad if you're outside. Oh, yeah, yeah, a castle rock, they do that all the time. Yeah, so I don't do ropes. So with ropes, it's endurance. So the moves are a little bit less difficult, but you have a lot of forearm endurance. Is there more explosivity though, and some of those moves with the bouldering? I've seen people doing it.

With the bouldering, I like because it's like five really hard moves. You got to think it's more like fast twitch strength and explosive movements versus rope climbing is like endurance. Oh, interesting. So that's why I really love bouldering because I've been doing endurance stuff all my life. So so different. Yes. Oh, very cool. Yes. Now, did you go from there to the Olympic lifting or did you go from there to the Ninja Warrior? So, so with rock climbing, I started climbing and I realized, oh, yeah, I'm kind of relatively good at this. And I've always been fan of American Ninja Warrior

who isn't. And I, as I did more rock climbing, I've always been fan of American Ninja Warrior who isn't. And as I did more rock climbing, I could see how that related to Ninja Warrior. And I was like, I wonder if I can do that. And so I just went to a local Ninja gym. There's one near my house. And I just went to an adult class. And I realized I had some good upper body strength. And then I just started training at that Ninja gym. And when you go to a ninja gym,

most people on there have applied for the show or been on the show. So you're already kind of in the community. So people really encourage you to apply for the show. So that's what I did. So then I just apply for the show, I don't know, two years into probably climbing and ninjaing at the gym.

I mean, every ninja cross trains with climbing. So because the gym. I mean every ninja cross trains with climbing. Of course. And then the smoke bombs. Wrong ninja. Yeah. What's the application process of like? Oh yeah. It's very, I tell everyone everyone should do this. This is not difficult. You literally just go on their website. It's like a six-page application. You fill information. You tell your story. It's about your story and you submit a video two to three minutes long. So that's the main thing is that you really want to, I mean, it's for TV show, you kind of really want to sell yourself and make yourself seem interesting to thank you for

the show because here's the thing, if you're a guy, there are so many jacked looking fit dude with upper body strength, so many. so how do you stand out in the video? Now, you got a term to the actual course. Yeah, actually. Isn't it like there's a bit of disadvantage for people that are a little bit shorter? Yes. How was that in terms of like navigating through that?

It's much harder. I mean, I had to be much more explosive, which I was not at the time. But I was never explosive athlete by any means, especially in climbing, I had to be much more explosive, which I was not at the time. But I was never, you know, an explosive athlete by any means, especially in climbing, I was very static. But yeah, no, so it's much harder, and you had to really, my biggest thing was training ninja was working on explosive movements,

jumping high, jumping over, that kind of stuff, imbalance or agility, that agility as well, because I had good upper body, but in the beginning, a lot of it is agility and explosive. Now, are you doing a competition first, and then if you do well, then you're on TV, or is it right away you're on the TV? Nope, you're right away on the TV,

so you apply for the show, and then they just call you if they pick you. Wow. How did you do? Huh. I fell on the balance obstacle, the agility, of course. And yeah, I was very excited by this because I just, when you're a rookie, they call you a rookie if you've never been on the show. And you're just hoping you don't fall on the first obstacle.

That's all you're like, don't fall on first obstacle, don't trip on the way to first obstacle. That would be me. Yeah. And here we are, Sal the Steppe, you fell. All right, next guy. Well, you only get one shot and you don't know what the course is before you go. So you have to just train for a variety of skill set and just hope that, I mean, just know

that it's going to transfer that data. Now, when you got up there, and you had already done all the training, and you finally get to see where you like, fuck, or were you like, OK, I like this. Yeah, well, we knew the first obstacle is going to be the quad steps. So we always knew that. So I was like, I can do the quad steps. Because we had train when you're in the community, like some guy had built quad steps in his backyard and replica.

So we drove to like Connecticut and just we practiced on his quad. David Campbell has that up in in Scotts Valley here. Oh, okay. Yeah, he has got his own little course in everything. Wow. That's yeah, that's cool. Wow. That's right. Now at this time, time, are you listening to our show at this time? Yes. Right. So right around then, yes, for sure, because that's when, this 2018 was an injure warrior, and that's also around the time when I got coaching from you and Jessica. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was around that time that this was all in my fitness, that that's when all fitness started happening. I started eating better and caring about nutrition and lifting weights and listening to mind pump and all it meshing together into one group. It's an awesome journey, it really is.

Your journey is, although it's spectacular and it happened pretty quickly, if someone sticks to it long enough, we all kind of go through that same journey. We find one thing, yours was endurance and we push that and then you learn that there's another element that might Bring you some value and then that teaches you a few other things and the longer you do it the more I guess the better you get it in the sense that you start to really learn about yourself and figure things out and piece things together And every piece of the puzzle makes a big difference doesn't it? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, where did when is the Olympic lifting come in? So after I did Ninja Warrior

I was you know once again wondering what's next for me. And for a lot of people, they try again for Ninja Warrior. And they're like, that was amazing. Now I want to finish and hit the buzzer. You're like, I'm over it. Well, for me, I was like, this is the pinnacle of my existence. How am I ever going to be better? That's the thing. I was like, I made it through obstacles. Yes, like, I'm never going to be any better.

So like, you kind of actually feel like, oh god, what do I do now? So, um, so I was looking for something else that gets the adrenaline going again. First, um, and I was, and I tried a whole bunch of stuff. Couldn't really figure out what excited me. And then of course, I'm sorry to say I went to, I tried a month of CrossFit. Oh, Okay. Let's listen. One-a-dip, Paul. Listen.

You are rebellious. I don't know. You are rebellious. I don't know what made me just start. I did like three workouts of theirs. You know, I got to put that in. I tried a month, even though I've heard you guys, and I do agree with all these things,

but I was just bored, and it was something different. Actually, if CrossFit's suitable for anybody, it would be someone like me. I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say, you're the right type of person, I think, to get involved in it. Exactly.

So, what was your experience like? Why did you not like it? I did not like it at all, because I had the same thought. I was like, I'm going to hurt myself. I have no idea what I'm doing with the Olympic lifts. That was the biggest thing. Intuition.

You know, I did like, smart even though you didn't go to Harvard. There. Did you hear that mom and dad. Yeah. That's an A plus. Yeah, we would run a mile and then I had to lift and do us, you know, power clean and no idea what I was doing.

And I was like, I'm going to hurt myself. So then what I did because knowing that probably hurt myself, I was like, I need someone to teach me Olympic lifting. So that's how I started Olympic lifting as I was, I started looking for Olympic lifting team or coach that could teach teach me Olympic lifting. So that's how I started Olympic lifting as I started looking for Olympic lifting team or coach that could teach me just Olympic lifting. And I like that much, I like the lifting weights part. I didn't like the cardio part, I like lifting weights because I've done cardio in my life.

So. Well, aren't you finding, I mean, Olympic lifts are so difficult and you want, they're difficult. It's a skill. So hard. And I love that because it looks so simple, but it's super difficult. And I love that because it looks so simple, but it's super difficult. And I like that it was not subjective.

You either lift the weights or you don't. There's a number. It's very objective and you're only practicing limited movements. Now, is this currently the main focus for you? Yes, that is my current focus is a little bit of it. And you're competing in it? Yes, I'm competing in it. Okay, so how many compitious incidents have you done and what do they like? I've done it's been about two years so almost two years. It's been great. I love it. It's it's a lot of fun. Just like every other

sport that I've done you get into a you meet it's funny because now I've done a few hobbies or whatever and every time I go into a sport everyone thinks that that sport is like you meet people and they're like oh isn't Olympic lifting the greatest Oh isn't rock climbing the greatest. Oh, I love it. You know everyone thinks the camps Yeah, everyone thinks it's the greatest and everyone is like I've grown so much from it I have made lifelong friends and I feel that way but every sport I've done So it's just like the rest, it's awesome, it's rewarding, I love it. And I really like lifting weights.

So that was the thing is that I love lifting weights. I like the feeling of feeling strong. Yeah, this is such a great conversation because we have so many listeners that are kind of starting on their fitness journeys or are in the middle of it and asking someone like you, some of these questions is so good. So I wanna ask you, let's start with nutrition, okay. What part, one thing of nutrition that you changed,

or what was very pivotal for you? Cause there's a lot of changes you can make with nutrition. Like, oh, I'm watching my calories. Oh, I'm working with my carbs fats. Oh, I'm increasing my protein. Was there one thing that you did where you were like, wow, this made a big difference? Yeah, actually.

So, I mean, so about two years ago I also during this time when I cared so much about what I looked like I started looking for coaches to train me to make me look a certain way and one of them was you so you and Jess coached me for about three months and I really just wanted to have this rip-in-six pack that is so unrealistic. And also, I think genetically, it's just, you know, anyways, but I didn't know that at the time. So, and so I really wanted someone to tell me all these things.

Like, you hire a coach and you think they're just going to give me the magical formula. That's right. That's suddenly I'm going to just look shredded and it's going to be gray and, you know, just something I was missing. But that was not the case. So you guys really, and I've had other nutritional coaches or other different types of coaches including a bodybuilding coach who just made me eat chicken and rice all day and I lasted for like three days. That didn't work. So I tried all these different things and then when I came to you guys who I also said I want to look

a certain way, you were just like, let's focus on hell. And I was like, no, I want to look good. But at the time, the thing is intuitive eating. And intuitive eating meaning, you know, I'll eat something and Jessica will be like, how did you feel afterwards? And I would say, oh, I feel a little bloated. Am I not supposed to feel? Until I got coaching, oh, I feel a little bloated. Am I not supposed to feel? Until I got coaching from you guys, I always felt bloated most of

the life when I ate anything. And I thought that was normal. I thought I was just, I just ate too much. But it turns out I think it was the foods I was eating. And she brought light to that. So that was really, really awesome from both of you to realize that kind of listening to your body sometimes works the best. Instead of following to realize that kind of listening to your body sometimes works the best instead of following a very specific protocol of what you think you're supposed to do. Yeah, people don't realize that when you're eating foods that don't work with your body, even if it's the right macros, you're going to reduce performance.

It's going to be harder to burn body fat, harder to build muscle. You're not going to get good sleep. Hormones are not going to be affected as well. It's an important thing to pay attention to. Yeah. So the intuitive eating was really helpful and also not, and then two to part also not feeling restricted was very important. Because for me, psychologically, someone gives me specific macros, I feel restricted and

want to rebel against it and eat everything in sight versus this you tell me, just eat whatever you want, just just but just not processed Then it kind of real it's a psychological thing and suddenly I'm eating better if I told To just not eat a bunch of crap. I guess versus you have to eat a hundred, you know, grams of protein or something Oh cool. Yeah, yeah You're also you're also a coach and trainer yourself Yeah, so that's very helpful. You're also a coach and trainer yourself. So, and been listening to Showtime,

been coached by Sound just go, what do you find yourself repeating that we say a lot? Like what are the things like, as a coach yourself, you're like, oh my God, the guys are so right, I always have to say this. What do you find the most common you're having to say to your clients?

To focus on health instead of aesthetics. That is the biggest one for sure that I'm always trying to help my clients with, which is a process for sure because everyone wants to look good. So it's hard to. It's hard to sell health. It's funny as that's house.

It's like, oh yeah, healthy, that's nice. I want to look good though. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, if you're healthy to look good, you have to really sell it in a way that's appealing. Otherwise you lose the battle. And also selling to people, oh, you should eat more instead You have to really sell it in a way that's appealing, otherwise you'll lose the battle. And also selling to people, oh, you should eat more instead of less.

That's a more important. That's very, I don't know. I've also posted on the forum the past asking people how do they sell that? And I don't know if anyone had a magical, how do you guys sell, well, if you eat less, I mean, eat more, it's going to benefit your metabolism. Yes, you have to hit the points that they are,

they find most important. So if someone wants to lose body fat, and you want to tell them to eat more, then you got to sell the metabolism boosting effects, the calorie burning effects from the fast metabolism. The fact that makes fat loss easier. I always sell them on the things that they like the most, right? So if I have somebody who's a wine drinker,

or they enjoy a burger, whatever the food they like, I always give them the ratio of that calorie wise of where they're at right now, metabolism wise. So like right now, you eat anything more than 1600 calories you put on weight and you love to have these two glasses of wine. That's the reason why that kills you so much over the scale. The reason one that tips you over so bad is because that's like 30% of your calorie intake. If we could get your calorie intake of 2500, you can enjoy these things in your life every

once in a while and not put on body fat. Build your body, build your metabolism up so you can enjoy those things that you love. Yeah. Now, Helen, I remember when I coached you, you had also used a lot of the products and stuff that we talked about on the show. Now we're supposed to mention our sponsor today, Organify. I don't know what you're gonna say. So this is all real and honest.

Have you used any of their products and have you found any value in any of their products? Yeah, I got the green juice, and because Adam kept talking about this green juice, and I saw it on sale somewhere, so I was like, okay, score. And I will admit, I haven't felt any specific effects, but sometimes it feels good to just take some, if I'm lacking some veggies in my day.

But, that's how I use it. Yeah, so I just been doing that, or if I'm traveling or something like that, but I just got some samples of the pure. Yes, I'm just, that's what we fueled up, yeah, before the podcast. Did you guys notice a mental clarity? You know, definitely. I do notice a little bit, the the the pure. Yes. Yeah. That's what we fueled up. Yeah, before the podcast. Did you guys notice a mental clarity?

You know, definitely. Yeah. I do notice a little bit. It's not like caffeine. Like you don't take it and you feel it kick in like caffeine, but I'll drink it and then I'll just feel very subtle. I'll feel a little bit more sharp. Well, most new tropics, like I just don't have a good response from and this is just one

of those. Yeah, I think it's to each person's individual in terms of like how, you know, they do well with what's in there. So, but yeah, this is a great one for me. Yeah, I think if anybody takes a supplement, expecting it to like change everything, yeah, you're gonna be super disappointed.

Along the lines of supplements, I am curious, regardless of organized commercials, so that is like protein is protein, something that you hit on a regular basis Pretty easily or is that something that you tend to have to supplement? I do I do have to supplement usually away protein of some sort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I do that. Do you find that with clients too? I mean, do you my god? Yes, right? I tell everyone a crazy amount of number for protein to hit just because no one ever hits it So I figure if I tell them higher they'll hit a little bit

Oh, there's that cycle. Yes. You're a great trainer. Yeah, yeah. But they still don't hit it half the time anyways. But, yeah, that's protein is by far. I was just having that exact conversation with somebody. I think it was in our former on our page or DMs or something.

And they were saying like, because I recommend one to one. And the reason why I recommend one to one is because I know if they hit point, if they hit point six to point eight, it's where I want them to be, but the reality is, if I give them that goal, they fall short of that. So I give them one to one, knowing that most people fall short of them.

You know, it's funny in my family, because we run on Italian time, I don't know if you've heard of this before, but essentially if someone says dinner's at six, nobody shows up at six, it's usually seven, right? So if you show up at six, you're the only one there. So you'll tell people in earlier time, so it's like the same thing. Yeah, it starts at six, it's usually seven, right? So if you show up at six, you're the only one there. So you'll tell people in earlier time. Yeah.

So it's like the same thing. Yeah, it starts at five and everybody will show up on time. Yeah. At six o'clock. Yeah, I just think that's one of the hardest macros to hit. And I think focusing on that. It's satiating, it's hard. I mean, even if even a hundred grams of protein,

if you're a hundred and thirty pound female, try to eat a hundred grams of pro, how many chicken breasts is that, Adam? How many, like, say, three and a half? Yeah, throughout the day. And you're just, you just start to get really full. This is why protein helps people lose weight. It just fills you up.

It's just hard for the prepping of it, right? I think that's, I think the main reason is that, it's at least for me as a coach and trainer, is like, most people just, you know, don't realize, like, oh wow, if I'm gonna do that, meat is the main source, you're going to get that. What you're getting from nuts and other sources are just not high enough to hit those numbers. Really, most people have to realize, oh wow,

I need to make sure that at least three or four meals have a large portion of meat in it and just not the average person does that. Carbs are so readily available and easy when they're hungry, just oh, let me grab some pretzels, I'll grab some snacks or this or that, and then your calories are filled up with all these carbohydrates and you never had your protein.

Now, you mentioned that before the solstor that you're doing this at home. So you're doing in-home appointments with your clients as a trainer, which is great. I'm super glad that, did you have to pivot to that? Or was that something you were already doing and with the current circumstances

of not having gyms open and all that, can you tell me about how that all looks for you? Yeah, so I started as an in-home personal trainer about, well, I started full-time. I quit my nine to five job. Wow, what was your nine to five? I was working for a show called Improvisylum in Boston. And I was always in theater.

I was a lot in theater business management type thing. So I did that for like the first 10 years and got into fitness later when I started rock climbing and realizing I need to be a little more fit for that kind of stuff. But then, and as I started doing rock climbing, being more fit, I started realizing how much I like fitness, like lifting weights.

And one of the things I love the most was actually teaching women how to lift weights. And that was something I'm very passionate about, but I have found it sometimes a hard sell. Even now, and I find it's like a cultural shift that I feel like we should work on. I mean, it's gotten better. But yeah, so within home training,

I started that two years ago. I'm just, what was trainer working by myself and I love just driving to people's homes. It's always a different environment, keeps things interesting. And then when the pandemic happened, you know, things shut down. I wasn't going to people's houses and, you know, freaking out like everyone else. But I've noticed now once, when gyms were reopening, at least in Boston, we reopened a while ago. I know for you guys it reopened. Yeah, they're closed again and all that stuff.

But welcome to California. But actually the pandemic has done well for my business because people are not comfortable going back to the gym. Right. So they're looking to hire in-home trainers. Talk about, go back to the, what you just mentioned about the cultural shift. And because something interesting about your story,

and while I was listening to you talk, is you never seemed to, it was never taboo for you to do any of these sports or get into Olympic lifting, where there is still this mindset of like, women shouldn't be doing Olympic lifting or powerlifting or things like that. Talk about your experience of starting to notice that

with clients, because it doesn't sound like you felt that way ever yourself, or did you? I didn't, but I think I enjoy doing sports that has less women in it. Or maybe it was just rock climbing and then enjoy work. Now there's more women. Olympic lifting is full of women these days, which is great because of the mobility thing But which I which I love but but for sure I've noticed it a lot with clients Because I'm all about doing strengths training with everyone But in strengths training for women. They love the circuit stuff

They people love the circuit. They want to do cardio with weights Yeah, because of the way that they've been sold for But it's just so interesting because my I, I, my favorite, I mean, I should say this, but, but some my, some of my favorite clients are my male clients because I don't have to sell them on strength training. It's so easy, they just want to do it,

they just need a little help, they need accountability, and be there, watch their form, all that stuff, but I don't need to sell them on it, and they love it. But with the women, I have to sell them on it all the time, but I don't need to sell them on it and they love it. But with the women, I have to sell them on it all the time. They'll do it, but they'll tend to complain a little bit more.

They'll just be like, oh, but that hurts or that feels uncomfortable or it's too heavy. Yeah. Well, have you had to deal with the whole male? Sometimes guys will give you this. Have you had to deal with the ego or the guys like, I can grab heavier ones? Yeah. I'll do more than that. Yeah. Let's grab the 40. Do more., like, would you do like lateral or front raise?

And I'm like, just go light on those because you don't need that much. And then they grab like something crazy and they're like, oh, just kidding. I can't, I can't actually do that. But yes, for sure, for sure. But I don't mind that because then guys are never like, oh, I hurt something, oh, I can't lift that because I like pull something.

Yeah, but you gotta pay attention. Because then they'll be hurt. They will hurt themselves. Right, and they won't tell me. That's the other side of it. They won't tell me that they're hurt. Yeah, well, we're such. But culturally, I just thought I was really interesting

that I have to do this battle with the weights thing. I wish I could start them earlier. My base thing is like, when would we get to start teenage girls earlier? Yes, absolutely. We're going to schools and do that. I was I could start them earlier. My base thing is like, when would be Griff, we had to start teenage girls earlier? Yes, absolutely. We're going to schools and do that. I was like, this is great, guys, we should do this. Yeah, no, I think we're on the cusp.

It's come a long way. For sure. You have no idea. When I started training, it wasn't just convincing women. It was like, okay, fine, I'll just do legs. No, I won't do that. Anything heavier than five pound dumbbells I won't do that. That's a, anything heavier than five pound dumbbells I won't do and you had to like constantly talk about.

I'd get that, I don't want to turn into a linebacker, okay? Every time and I'm like, I'm not trying to do that. That will never happen. Yeah, you'll be so blessed if you could do that. No, that would be amazing. Yeah, no, it's definitely come a long way but I do feel like we're on the cusp of resistance training, really achieving mainstream acceptance,

where when they go to the doctor, and the doctor says you start exercising, I think we're getting close to the point where people start to think, I think I'll do some resistance training versus I'm gonna go running or cycling or something else. They were getting close. Why do you think we're on the cusp of this?

I think we're on the cusp of it for a couple of different reasons. Studies are confirming the benefits of resistance training tremendously. Like huge strength is by itself a great predictor of all cause mortality better than cardiovascular endurance or strength. There were studies now that show that strength training is better for as good or even better in some cases for heart health.

And then you have the popularity of female athletes that are in strength sports. So more and more of these female athletes that look like they're fit and toned and women are saying, oh, I kind of want to look like that. So that's helping. I also think that just information is more readily available. So it moves quicker where 20 plus years ago, you know, the myth around women lifting weights is going to make them bulky. Could stick around longer because you couldn't just get online real quick and Google that where 20 plus years ago, a myth around women lifting weights is gonna make them bulky, could stick around longer

because you couldn't just get online real quick and Google that that's not true. Where today, it's so much easier. You hear information like that, you can search it really quick. I think too, it depends on who they're following on Instagram. That's so true. Let's be honest.

Yeah, that makes a big difference. So one more we were supposed to mention, one more sponsor, but this is gonna be funny, because I asked you about this earlier, and I said, have you ever used Z-biotics, and you said you don't drink at all. Do you do anything to let loose? Smok a joint?

I lift weights over my head. Okay, great answer. I love great answer. I love that. Yeah, or swim in freezing cold water. I have a Jesus salad. I'll see you in the evening. Pretty high from that.

That's so, you don't need cocaine if you do these things. So you're not gonna, oh, yeah. You don't have to. So you're not gonna buy the 48 pack of Z-Backs. Doesn't help with that. Like Justin gets. Yeah. He's like, this will last me over the weekend.

No, we, so I actually just speak in that. Like, I can't lose. I just found that. So on their website, they have, you know, I think it's like, three, six, nine, 12 packs, and then in a small print, you know, Jerry was looking to suffer us because she's like, you three, six, nine, 12 packs. And then in a small print, Jerry was looking to suffer us because she's like, we keep buying these 12 packs in between the four owners, the staff,

like these things don't last very long at all. So she emailed in and they'll actually make you a deal if you buy in bulk. So they don't sell it on their website as a normal package, but you can email them in that, hey, we're looking for this mini and they'll make you a better deal than what their packages are.

So for those people that have tried Zbiotic, absolutely love it, and it's something that you want, and you want to save money, you can actually buy in more bulk than they have on the website. Now, you have had alcohol though. It's not like you've never had it before. Yes, I have. Okay, so before you leave, I'll give you some when you go home.

I want you to test it, and I want you to, because it'll, it's weird. It's not like this. It's not below. It's actually quite weird. It's very strange. It's pretty match. So we'll send you some. We'll send you off with some. And then test it out. Go hang out with your boyfriend. Whatever. Have a good time. Break this in case of emergency. That's how I use it. Exactly. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at Mind Pump Media dot com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballad,

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