Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 145: Mind Pump's darkest secrets revealed...

Episode Date: September 9, 2015

If you have listened to Mind Pump for a while, you may think you know Sal, Adam, Justin and Doug by now. But do you REALLY know them? Are they just guys having a good time exposing Raw Fitness Truth or are they really just calculating narcissistic jerks? You will know after this episode as Dr. Katie (a real university psychology professor) reveals on air the results of a comprehensive psychological exam she has administered to the Mind Pump Crew. Mind you, the Mind Pump Crew is learning of their results as they record and their darkest secrets are being revealed unedited for your listening pleasure. Listen now to find out what these guys are REALLY made of and what makes them tick. Listen at your own risk. You may never think of them in the same way ever again...

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. So, we should put really matters. Before we introduce our guests, we haven't, we haven't awesome show today. Awesome, but before we go into that, I want to tell you guys, Wait, don't make promises yet. We don't know. We don't know how awesome this is going to be.

This is gonna be so amazing. Wait, what are you saying about me? No, that's nothing to do with you. This could be a fucking train wreck for our horrible conversations. Yes, it's gone nowhere. This is gonna be awesome. Before you introduce her, why don't you tell everybody

what's going on here before you even introduce her. Why this show you think is going to be ridiculous? Oh, well, I think so well first let me introduce Dr. Katie who's a friend of mine. She's a doctor of psychology and If this was actually her idea this was your idea to do this and her idea was that she would give us all detailed psychology tests and then come on the show and reveal to the audience. We haven't heard of this yet.

You're a psychopath. We haven't heard of this yet. We don't know any of the results. We don't know what she's going to tell us, but she's going to tell us, you know, how basically how Adam's super narcissistic and how, right, right, right, you know, all those dollars given, you know, how, you know, Justin, you know, secretly likes men. That kind of stuff. I mean, it's underlying.

It's all fair. We always talk about it. And even the spinner did one of these. So, Dougie did one. I'm interested on that one. I'm a little interested in that too. It's exciting. We should talk about some of the questions that were on there.

We might not want to air this for Doug. No, I'm not trying to get him a date. I was feeling the thing out and I was like, all embarrassed while I'm feeling it out. I started out doing it and my life was looking to ruin me and I was like, I'm going to go ahead and do it on stairs. I'm going to finish this down there. It's exactly how mine would go.

I'm going to go ahead and take this from here. We'll stop at question 35. How many times does this person know? How many times a week do you masturbate now? Adam sends me a text, he says, there's no number here. There's no number higher than 50. For me. So, when do you actually stop?

So, Dr. Katie, you also listen to the show? I do listen to the show. And actually, the idea came to me because your audience, your fans started asking questions about your personalities. They were asking like, what movies do you like? Things like that. And I thought, well, they want to know who you are. And so it really wasn't, the goal for me wasn't to be able

to say, you know, who's a psychopath. Although there are questions about that in there. But it's about like what your personality is like so that they can get to know you more. Oh, awesome. I love it. Yeah, I love this idea. So that was a great. So what things, because you didn't test this for everything, you tested this for specific

things. What were the categories that you tested us for? So there's just basic personality traits in there. So those are like extroversion and agreeableness and things like that that are really kind of core to personality psychology. And then we have staff about your self-esteem and of course narcissism and I'd like to talk about a bit about what narcissism is and what it is not. And job satisfaction, life satisfaction, you're... And then some of the questions you're getting at were like psychopathology, sociosexuality, things like that. And so we won't have time to go through everything

that I gave you guys, but we can talk about some of that. In other words, definitely is that she's sociosexual. In other words, she saw stuff that she doesn't think she should tell people on air about it. So my disclosure is that I did not get to spend as much time on this as I wanted. And so I don't actually know what's in here. So we're going to discover it together. I really just copied numbers into a document to be able to read with you guys.

Oh, so nothing edited just like our show. So is it right? What do you think is the best way for us to go through this? Like each person individually or topics of each of us? Topic. Yeah. Cool. I want to know who got first place.

That's what I want to know. Such a competitive area. Before we do, we should, because you talked about narcissism for a second. Now, Dr. Katie's client and mine also, I've been training her for a while. And we talked about this a while ago, and I learned something completely fascinating about

narcissism. I don't even think I shared this with you guys. When you think narcissism, you think of it as being a negative. It's not as negative as everybody thinks it is. No, she said that you need to have a certain level of narcissism or a higher level of narcissism to be like an entrepreneur or to be somebody who speaks in front of people, and there's a healthy level that you need to be that person. Well, you believe in yourself, right? Right. Yeah, that's definitely a component that you have to have.

If you're gonna be successful. Right. So that was fascinating to me. Says the three guys that know nothing about this shit. So why don't we just... This is what we do to every topic. Yeah, right. Hey, let's bring on somebody from NASA. Listen, I did. Yeah. Listen, I put on that spacesuit. I talked to her for like 15 minutes about this. I know everything there is in Obama. All right, so let's go, let's get into it.

I mean, that tang, it tastes strange, but you get used to it. Let's, let's, what the tang? We're talking about astronauts again. Oh, sorry. There's only one kind of tang. Somebody in the audience was with me on that one. I five. Yes. Pooing tang. All right, that one. Five, five, shh.

Pooting. All right. So, uh, so let's get, let's do it. Let's get to it. Okay. All right. So, what are we start with? Let's start with basic personality traits. Okay. Cool. So, we're going to start with extraversion. Okay. So, extraversion has different components to it. So, there's

social ability with questions like, you know, that you like to go out and be sociable, talkable, talkative. And then with the way we ask these questions, is there's always reverse coded items so that people don't get into a tendency to just circle a five all the way through? And so the reverse would be tends to be quiet or sometimes shy and indiferent. So that's going to be how we measure it. Right. Got it. And so, actually, there's an associability, assertiveness, and

energy. What we have here, and for all of these, I have comparison samples. So you can compare to each other, but you can also compare to other people who have taken it. And a lot of times these are surveys that were given over the internet for several hundred to several thousand people that have done it. So if we look at sociability, what we can see is that Adam and Sal are the highest on that and they are not quite double what your kind of average male and female are on their almost double. Right. That's fist bump right there. That's a good thing or not. I just know you

guys talk a lot. I know I'm double pretty accurate twice as much. And then we have Doug that comes in right there kind of as average with the people that have taken some of the people have taken this survey before and Justin who's a little bit higher kind of in between average and what you guys are. Well, that's extremely accurate. Pretty much. Yeah, sums it up. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

All right. Okay. And then we can also look at it at the individual level in terms of those different components of sociality, ofness and energy. So the, the assertiveness is definitely very high for Adam, Justin, and Sal. All three of you are very high on the assertiveness. Doug's right back in there with the average of everybody else. That's like a never-sati thing on the floor.

Yeah, right. Let's put our ring of powers in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Assemble! That's sort of. of powers in the middle. Yeah, assemble. That's sort of. Shut up, stop it. Stop. Hey, I'm talking shut up. All right.

And then all four of you are pretty high energy. Yeah. Although Justin's a little bit lower on the energy side of it. Some days, you know. I'm just, it's all that weird. It's all that weed you smoke. It's tired, yeah. Exactly.

I need the guy who's the least. Interesting, yeah. Well, I mean, it's because I like to relax. You know what I mean sometimes? I'm like, ah, yeah, it's nice to just not talk. Yeah, you get to see what I mean. You get to get some stuff to talk. Yeah, so that requires energy constantly.

You know why it's because you're exhausted when you hang around with us. It's true. And it is exhausting, you know? It's true. No, no, no, absolutely. That's true. Yeah, you drive me fucking crazy.

I'm not going to listen. I normally have to get napped after these recordings. The last man in the middle of the day. Okay, so that makes sense. I like where this is going. Okay, all right. So then we have agreeableness.

Okay. All right. So you guys think you're pretty agreeable people. Yeah, oh, probably not actually. I think yes, yes and no. Oh, you know what? I just, I just, I don't know if I was supposed to do that. I just scrolled to the next stage.

Yeah, you should be scrolling. Oh shit, look at this dude. Me and Adam are tied on extraversion. Damn. I thought I beat you. I know you guys are like, oh, and then this one, sociability. Oh, Adam beat me on that one. Well, you know, let me see.

You're like, you're like, I told you he has to learn to share. That explains why I have 30,000 followers on his scram and salad. He has like three or four. Right? Social media. I'm a lot more sociable. I think you just proved narcissism exactly the same on two things. That's pretty cool. Interesting. All right, so what was the next one we're going into? So the next one's agreeableness. So if you scroll, then you can see, so agreeableness has compassion, politeness, and trust in it. I'm not going to do so well on this one. I have a fill.

What do I push? Ah, it looked out. You did. You're not so good at technology. Yeah. You probably should have handed the computer to Justin. Yeah. Well, you know, I tried, but someone grabbed it. I thought it was handing it over. That's a sort of mess right there.

How do I get to Port and Hub? I want to lead. All right, go ahead. Okay, so agreeableness, compassion, politeness, trust. So overall scores, you're all pretty high on agreeableness. I mean, not kind of at the ceiling, but higher than average. And so I beat I win.

Justin and South. So I see I was lower than everybody. You know why, dude, because you're a dick. Yeah, I know. I just think I need to see real. So the thing is though, you're looking, you know, sounds like I win. He has like two more points out of a hundred than Justin. And so, you know, I mean, I didn't win by much.

But in the Olympics, I would get a gold. Basically, if we're looking at this, I have the gold medal. This is more like horseshoe. It's silver. We both scored. Okay. We both got gold medals. Cool.

All right. We both scored, okay? We both got gold medals. Cool, all right? Okay, so if we look the next one, then what we can see is that Justin got his points from being very compassionate. Wow. Look at the cowl-o, my compassion. What a... I actually heard of it. I'm like, some other people in this room. Look at the difference between Justin and I.

Well, I'm looking at the spread out of them. On compassion, so Justin got 100, which is like, he's just a great guy. No wonder he gets all the love, girl. I got 75 and then Doug got 68 and then Adam got 56. Wow. What a dick. You want a dick.

Although, okay, so you're saying that, but Adam got a hundred on politeness. Well, that's because he pretends. Well. That is a very good point right there. So I may not have compassion, but I'll still put up with your bullshit. That's true.

You'll be nice. People will leave me. I'll be there genuinely, you know, and then Adam will be there. You'll get much more polite for him than you I'm the least polite Of a gay guy's I know that's funny and you think you're a lot more than you are. That's no. Yeah, no I realize I'm an asshole something. Yeah, but still so you were the least polite, but you're still right there with the average

So you're not like less polite than your average person got it. All right perfect. I feel better now and then less polite than your average person. Got it. Perfect. I feel better now. And then, you know, trust your, you guys are definitely higher than the average person, but you're not like at that ceiling. No one's getting on in the ground. Stop talking about it.

So for trust, does this mean like how easily we trust other people or how trusting we are? So trust is the, the questions that we're asked like has a forgiving nature assumes the best about other people. Okay, so how trusting we are of other people. Gotcha. Gotcha. So I'm very trusting of people. So if you're going to sell, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not very skeptical. You are extremely skeptical. Yeah, you are. But again, you're high enough. Of course, you said when you met me, it took me like two years before you even liked me. Yeah, it's true, though. I don't know if that has anything to do with trust.

No, I think it's more like anybody, like I said, whatever, before who's like charismatic at all or like has like a real outgoing personality, I don't trust. Yeah, you already said that, you said you are. Yeah, like, you have to just go in the over. Do you feel like there's tucksters? I just, yeah, I feel like it's full of bullshit

until you reveal that you actually know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's really tough for me. In less, I already see you at that level where you're probably shy and it's just weird like that though. Yeah, you're looking a lot at me while you're saying this. I'm piercing your face. I actually trust you now. It's great. Thank you. All right, good. I'm piercing your face. I actually trust you now.

It's great. Thank you. All right, good. It took a while though. So what are we going? All right, conscientiousness is next. So conscientiousness is like orderliness. So this could be like how clean you keep your room

and your house and things like that and your office. I know. Industrialism is really kind of your engage, go getting this kind of things and work in terms of like is a fishing gets things done and then reliability. So how much you depend on people and I mean that you're dependable to people. I'm going to make a $5 bet with Adam right now. That is here. That I think because both of us are orderliness, we are fucking not. We're totally disorganized.

Actually, you know what though? I'm probably, because I know you're organized chaos. I remember there was questions like regarding our room and things like that and like she said, like neatness and I'm pretty neat when it comes to that. If you look inside of like my cars and my house and so like that, like that, I do. Oh okay, so maybe I'm not disorganized.

Anything business related and I'm very organized. Yeah, so I'm curious to see what we all pop up here. All right, let's see. Go for it. So. Oh, shit. Oh, no. So.

Just clean your fucking room, dude. Can I see? Clean your fucking room, bro. Oh, wow. Hey, buddy. We have a lot of people. I'm below average. Yeah, we got a dust.

What's that guy's name on peanuts, you know? Oh, yeah, Lionel the dirty kid Cartoon from the 70s. Well, I am awesome at this And it's so is a dog which is nice to see you taking care of a lot of your business Isn't it is good? Yeah, you know, you're actually you're finding this out with us So I actually find it very, very cool to see that, which we kind of, we probably all could have predicted this that, you know, Doug and Justin, we're going to have a lot of similarities in something Sal and I would, which, you know, those that are just now tuning and listening

us, don't may not know this, but before Mind Pump existed, Justin and I had a business, a business, we're business partners. Yeah, we're eaning and then they are yin yang. Exactly. So it's and it kind of, and you know, I find it, everyone says like, oh, you should never do business with friends or people like that. But I think in reality, what it is, a lot of times, friends are really similar in personalities. And I'm sure you could talk about this where I feel like we are, we're a lot different,

you know, in a lot of different aspects. I think you're similar. You have to be similar in the important stuff like both focused both hard working not lazy honest But then in terms of getting shit done There's got to be the guy that's organized Yes, a division of and then there's got to be the guy the kind of the hustler and the hip shooter is what I've seen to be successful You know, I don't know but sometimes we adjusted the people around us So right if we I think values makes a big difference.

So you have to kind of be going the same place and care about the same things. But you know, they talk about this within families, but I think it also works within relationships that if you're going to business with someone, then often if the other person's really not very organized, you become more efficient. Kind of change, kind of change. It's kind of like when a girl's in a sorority house, I'll live together their periods, I'll come in the same time. Can I like that? No, that research, no, I think that's fine.

That research hasn't panned through very well. Oh, really? Yeah, because if you look at kind of chance, if you think about that, somebody's menstrual cycle is about a week, and there's only four weeks in a month and you put people together, you start looking at chance of having them any single day overlapping. It's really...

So, you know what it's like? So, first of all, this is why I love, one of the reasons why I love training her so much is because I have learned more about reading studies in the, however, you know, I've been training you now what, two years maybe? In the two years I've trained her than in the previous, all the years I've been alive.

And I'm very much into studies. I love you guys know that. She's taught me so much. And because I'll bring them up to her and she'll explain to me how studies are conducted, what the controls are, why sometimes they're good and why sometimes you can't really take what the study says. You know, for face value, or how, like, for example, the media will

publish a headline of a study to get people to click on it, and then you look at it and it's like, there's eight participants. Yeah. So, I mean, that bullshit. But like what you said about the periods, here's an example. You ever have your clicker, like your clicker is on in your car, your turn signal, and then the car in front of you is turn signals off, and they're different timing, but eventually they start to synchronize a little bit, and then they go off, and then the car in front of you is turn signals off and they're different timing but eventually they start to synchronize a little bit and then they go off and then they synchronize

a little bit. If you let them run long enough. So that's kind of what happens with the period thing is that if you study it at a particular time then it might just happen to synchronize. You know and that synchronicity might last six months. So the area is just mass. Really? Yeah. Just go. Sometimes you know, you're don't sound like you're the wizard today. Don't think that. Was that it? Was that a fair.

Yeah, I think that was very good. Yeah. It's good periods and blinkers. Did you test really nice on this? Because I think I'm gonna. All right. So conscientiousness, South Suck. That's a good left turn.

It's green. So that's what it's like. Oh shit. Which one are you looking at? Orderliness. Orderliness. Right. Which one are you looking at? Orderliness. Orderliness, right. So these are the facets of conscientiousness.

So we're just in conscientiousness, right? He's very orderly, much more than everybody else. And Sal, so for the most part. He dugs the most reliable, holy shit. So what I think, what stands out to me, is for the most part, so far, you guys have all been at average or above But orderliness wow, you know, Sal, you've really dropped below your average person there I'm super orderliness so I have described to me what exactly that question tails

So orderliness is is systematic likes to keep things in order, keeps things neat and tidy, tends to be organized, and the opposite of it leaves a mess doesn't clean up. Yeah, slob. Well, you know what? You know what's funny? That is the hardest thing for me. Like, my brain just simply doesn't operate. So what I've done is I've created

little habits and systems for myself that help keep me, you know, help keep things flowing. For example, you know, I put my keys in the same fucking spot every day or I'll mix my supplements at the same time every day because if I don't do that, I'm so disorganized, I will just lose track of everything. So it's funny because like, I, you know, I score really high in that, but I think it's funny because like I you know I score really high in that but I think it's because that's 100% true when it comes to business But like when I get home I feel like Everything's so chaotic because I don't have control over it, you know

And so it's like I let things go and I've learned to kind of like sort of suppress that a bit But it does it irritates me Plus nothing is organized little kids dude. Plus, the other thing is organized. Yeah, it's your little kids, dude. Does that say industry in this? So I just kind of give up on being clean. Well, the next one's industriousness, which is. So this is kind of persistent and efficient.

So kind of sees goals to the end, tasks to the end. And so you see, Doug and Justin are very high on that. And again, this is what you want from Doug who's managing everything for you. That he is both industrious. So he will, he's efficient and get things done. And he's also reliable. Both. See, it's so awesome that we just naturally do that because we did, we put Doug to be the producer. He was going to be the ego. And it worked out that he would be the producer. So good thing you are in the position you're position You're in duck hey Doug. What do you think so far about these tests? I sound spot on to me. It does But I really wanted that job is the

I really was pushing for it I'm gonna pull out all the stops and really let my inner ego out All right, he has a lot more stories they tell Squash him. All right, I'm not the producer. All right, all right, you can turn your mic off. And it would be like mixing us all like sound bites. This would be episode 20. It would only be on episode 20 or so by now. There'd be a really dumb noise. It's like fart noises and cowbells. Right. This is awesome. I would, this is so cool. Look what I did to your episode

Look at I tell you made sounds I like her bit. Hey guys. I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out a boob sound for the for the podcast guys. What's a boob sound? All right, so then the next one's a reliability dog crushed it good job. Yeah, yeah We're all above normal on reliability the next one's a reliability dog crushed it. Good job, no. It did, yeah. Yeah, that's obvious. We're all above normal on reliability. Right, average. We're all above average. Well, so far everything we've tested it except for South.

South's had one or two things below average, but everybody else has been above average on everything. Yeah, but then remember I crushed you on the other one that was really important. I forgot what it was. All right. Okay. So next. So then we have neuroticism.

All right, maybe we should make the $5 bet here. Right. So let's say what it is. So neuroticism has anxiety. So tens worries a lot. And then depression, so feeling sad or blue. And volatility, vital fatality. My brain is not making that word yet.

So temperamental mood swings, things like that. Okay. So What you can see is that you guys are all very much below average Um, this is one we want to be below average. Oh right, except for you've got sell kind of like a double your guys's score But This guy that is a good thing right here So this is for neuroticism. You want to be neurotic. You don't want to have anxiety, bro, and stressed out.

That's not a good thing. Except for that, if you think about kind of the hypokondria, and you know, there's things that are not that... There you go. I knew I would crush this one because I am. I'm definitely a hypokondriac. Like, I mean, Doug, how long have I known you? What, like four or five years?

About five years, I think. How many times have I had cancer in five years? I can count at least three. Yeah, so let's talk about who this Zen Master is, bro. Right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nothing phases this motherfucker right here, bro. This is, yeah. I don't blowin' up outside.

It's right over your back. Yeah, Adam comes in from the bathroom, he's like, ah, it's pissin' blood again. We'll just wait and see what happens. It's right. Not exactly told me. Not even worth it. I actually know it's shitting blood. He's like, oh, it's pissing blood again. We'll just wait and see what happens Now he's actually told me I know it's cheating. Yeah, yeah, not even word. It'll fix itself. I was like, ah, that's not normal Probably get that checked out

Is that it'll work itself out going he's like a dog all the heat so fine Yeah, it's the grass is the water. I'm going to grass So feel better. Totally work. Totally work, bro. Where did the scores come from? Pretty much. You guys aren't depressed. That's great.

You're not really moody or anything. For all of you, your scores are coming from the anxiety. I'm just going to wrap myself out here are coming from the anxiety. So I have, so I'm just gonna wrap myself out here. I have higher anxiety about twice as much as Adam, 10 points higher than Doug and a little more than that over Justin. Depression we're all pretty low. Adam's at zero.

Zero bro. Yep. Zero. Never depressed. Never. You are happy. Don't even know what the fuck you guys. Yeah. Ball utility. So what's that? Because I'm higher than they are. Never depressed never you are happy don't even know what fun guys Ballotility

So what's that cuz I'm higher than they are I'm lower than average, but I'm higher Like like vulnerable hot. No, it's like as moody has up to downs and mood swings temper temperanol like get some emotional easily This is so we do evaluated me like when I was younger. Oh, that would be off through the room You were really low, bro. You dug was zero on that. Oh, this is wow. Yeah, I really let a lot go You're only six. Yeah, dude. I was 12 and so this is like 25. This is like emotional and stuff like that. Yes Wow, this is so revealing I just painted it. It's so crazy to see these things review it a little bit yourself.

All right guys, all right, that's a nice picture. Okay, so the last personality trait is openness to new experiences. No, so this one is 10, 10s recorrelated with intelligence. You like to try things. Oh shit, I hope I win that one. And it has, so there is, that's how to beat up. I better be smart of you, Stump on the phone. But remember that, you know, Adams and our subsist, but go ahead.

So this has like aesthetic sensitivity, so interested in art and things like that. Intellect, so curious about a lot of different things, deep thinker, and then imaginative, finds clever ways to do things. So, the overall scores, so we see that. Justin brought kick-dass on this one. He did kick-ass on that one. He would just end dog kick-dass. Yeah. That's like, yeah, that nails down a lot of what I'm interested in for sure. And so, but again, you're, you know, Adam and Sal are, you know, you're still slightly above average. So who got last? Adam? By two? By two? Why? How can this see openness to new exp well, I guess if we're talking like weird sexual shit, you would be first by far. It's all the weird stuff you do. Animals. You have to be more specific.

Well, you can see where the scores are. So if you go to the next one, where Adam's lower score comes from and Sal's lower score is imagination. Oh, okay. Oh wow. Yeah, you know what? I remember some of the questions in that now too,

because even though I was creative and artistic, I was the kid who always had, I had to draw something. I had to look at something and draw it. I couldn't like, my other best friend was in a drawing and he could just like draw it. Yeah, just from nothing. Yeah, from his mind. I was like me.

I could not do that. I'm having a tough time imagining what you're saying. Right. Exactly what you scored, so low. You know what, we all got a hundred percent intellect. Yeah, boom. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, how crazy is that that we call a score exactly the same? That's awesome. That's cool.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How crazy is that it was all scored exactly the same?

That's awesome. That's cool. See? I guess a dumb blog. I guess we're done. I guess we're done. You know, sourdough. That's not over us forever. Yeah, I mean, listen, you can't score more than a hundred. You know, scientists. I'm the scientist. We get it. Okay, cool. Yeah. That's very fascinating. So it's not so the listeners this, because they're not looking at the graphs that we've got is, so far to give you a recap of what we've seen is what we've got to predict it, Sal and I are very similar on a lot of things.

There's a few things that I'm stronger than him at, but overall we're pretty much the same. And then Doug and Justin share a lot of things, a lot of strengths. And there has yet to be one thing that we're all 100 or zero on, exactly same, except for intellect. Yeah, yeah. So we just, so there's aesthetic sensitivity. That is very interesting.

Intellect, we all scored the same at 100. Imagination, Justin was off the charts and Doug was up there too. I see puffed the magic dragon. Yeah. So that means weird, okay, cool. Okay. Oh, now we're on too low.

Shit. Cycle pathy. Yep, okay. So this is... Get ready to stop reporting. Yes. Yes. So this is like high impulsivity, thrill sinking,

combined with low empathy and anxiety. So I like to get revenge on authorities, pay back needs to be quick and nasty. People say I'm out of control. So these are the kind of questions you guys answered about this. Oh, shit. So there's going to be, there's two sets of bars. These are just two different ways that it was measured. Okay.

So there's a little bit of differences. Yeah, because I see two bars here for each person. One is labeled SD3 and the other one's DD. And those are just the name of the scales. Okay. So, and I actually don't have what the differences between the scales are right in front of me. But for one of the scales, Justin is really high

and one of the scales he's really low. Yeah, and then you just look at me and I'm almost a little by saying Not a lot of discrepancy in mind, but yet right just in silence. So basically just grab it So it says your average college student scores a 35 on one particular scale Right, so that means if you're a little higher than that then you have a higher tendency towards psychopathy. Yes Shit Dustin was a bit higher Oh shit. So on that scale, Dustin was a bit higher.

Hee hee, shee. So Sal is about even, and then you have Dagon Adam who are below. Here's a thing that I get crazy on. I got, do you remember those scores about how empathetic and, you know, compassion and I am? That's what keeps you in check. No, that's for good people.

Yeah. That people be my- The other people are buried in my backyard. Right, this does say, you know, that this also, I can be mean to others. And, you know, there's been a lot of conversations about just in, you know, beating people up. So, I don't know. Oh my God. I was trying to suppress all those

urges. Wow. Cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So there's another scale like verbal attacking. Like I was purposely mean to people in high school. I enjoy making jokes that they extend just it's just it's off. That's why that's why it's so low. I was honest about that. That's another one, Rose, a whole other guy. You guys weren't honest. Look at Doug. Doug could not be more of a sweetheart. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, I'm. I was a dick when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah, well Doug is just a very, very nice guy. Adam Lies, I'm the only one I think is most of it. I think it's most of us. No, you know what? Let me see my number two.

Actually, we're at, we have to, we have to, we have to visit this for a little bit. Because with all my narcissism and being the prick and the asshole guy, you're starting to see my come back here of like deep down and you know, we talked about this in one of the episodes, deep down I'm like this, I have a lot of love. Yeah, you know, I got a lot of love.

You do, yes. And the church don't cheat on tests. Oh my God. Yeah, that's true. Dude, don't be a hater right now. You went on like, that's why you took- Okay. Just because you're getting blasted right now.

Who is the last person to turn into a test? That's because I thought- Doctor, who is the last one to turn into Adam? It sounds like a calculator. Adam went online. He went online and he like, he like, There's a lot of big words on there. I had to go use it by-

I gave him a full addiction area. Just make sure I have to- You got 100 on intelligence, that won't work. No. Okay. All right. Okay, and so, and this is one, so far most of the scores have been pretty similar for like males and females. This one males are higher than females on it.

You guys like talk about gender differences, so. Interesting. I tried to put that in there somewhere, so, and it's interesting because a lot of people talk about that females are the ones who are doing the kind of mean girl kinds of stuff. But one of the questions is purposely mean to someone in high school makes jokes that they expensive others. And so males are scoring higher on that school. Would you say it like that? That does make it because men do kind of have that talking shit to each other, banter.

It's very, very common. But would you say that this is measuring, like, I'm doing it to you in front of you versus behind your back when you're not around? I don't know, like one of the questions I have purposely tricked someone and laughed when they looked foolish. Like that seems like you were there

when you were doing that. That's hilarious when you do that. Isn't that fun? I'm gonna do it so much? Oh yeah. So, I also, this is also another one of those things where I'm known on the show as the guy who like talks the shit or talks shit about it or is that way yet I'm the lowest

besides that. Let me see. Mm-hmm. Right, so I thought that was very interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. That is interesting. And there's Justin.

So this is also where you're seeing so in the personality You were talking about like Justin and Doug being very similar But now the pairing when we're getting into these kinds of things of the aggressiveness the meanness those Parings are changing a bit. Yeah, no, no, we knew that that Justin was we had D-means that Justin was way meaner than that. I get demons. Doug is not. A lot of demons do.

A lot of demons. So the next one, what's that word? So mocky valiism. So this is a manipulative personality. So it's like being cunning, bad faith. And so there's things, questions were like, it's wise not to tell your secrets. I, using clever not to tell your secrets

I You using clever manipulation to get your way Take do whatever you can to get important people on your side And so now we have Doug jumpin out in the lead here You dirty little fuck you You know what this motherfucker's been using us like puppets the whole time. Those sounds right there with him. Once again, bro, look who's kicking a ass right now on this. I just want to point that out there. Yeah, Mr. Castello.

So, hold on, let me just demonstrate my manipulative power. So, wouldn't you say this whole macchiizm that if you were really good at it, you probably would be a better salesperson. No, not necessarily. No, there's the close. You notice how she didn't answer anything when you said that right there. She didn't manipulate her. She seemed all those fucking games, bro.

Correct answer. She did your choice. It depends. No, I'm, but I'm up there at an average. I mean, you know. Right, right. You and you and Dagger are pretty similar there. Although Dagger on one of the skills is much lower,

whereas how you're really even on both of those skills. Yeah, show Justin that. Just my partner needs to see that in case we need to watch these motherfuckers. Right, yeah. Maybe not on you. Maybe we need to check that big account again. No, no, no, I'm as real as a Gantz.

That's an Adam. You're so buff, bro. And Justin, you're so handsome. Maybe not yet. Maybe we need to check that big account account. I'm as real as a gant. You're so buff, bro, and Justin, you're so handsome. Okay, so we're ready for narcissism. Narcissism. Here's the big one. Okay, so let's talk about what narcissism is and what it's not. So people talk about narcissism all the time. And even in the psychology science people will take all this narcissism scale that has 40 items

and they'll just average them all together. But there's a lot of different facets of it and people never talk about that. So there's different ways to break it down. One of the ways is to have these three main categories. One of them is adaptive, which is leadership. So, this is having social potency, being extroverted, high-serva steam, gold persistence.

So, these are things that are correlated with being high in leadership as part of narcissism. When people are talking of narcissism. When people are talking about narcissism, usually they're talking about entitlement and explosiveness. So they're talking about that you feel better than other people, that you think you deserve more than other people, and that you are kind of getting back a little bit more at that manipulative stuff.

So, this type of maladaptive narcissism, this entitlement, explicit, and exploitiveness, is correlated with things like anti-social tendencies, it's correlated with devaluing others, being disagreeable, having trouble in your relationship. So, it's a bad part of narcissism. So, that's the bad part. And this is people tend to, what's interesting is that people tend to like people with high narcissism at first, because you do get some of this extroversion

and you get this leadership. But over time, people don't like them as much, as you kind of get to know them. And this maladaptive part comes out. And then what I think a lot of what's talking about, when people are talking about Adam being really narcissistic, you're talking more about this grandiose exhibitionism. So that's where you get kind of the vanity coming into it. And that's related to goal persistence, ex-origin.

It's really kind of, I've kind of got rid of as neutral, right? And so the other way to talk about is like socially toxic. So the ex the maladaptive part socially toxic. We can skip. I feel like this would be a great test for like employing somebody. Yeah. I mean, you talk about, you know, the look at these traits. I don't think it's legal. I don't think it's legal to do this. Oh yeah, there's nothing you You can give personality to people. People do it all the time. It will be legal.

Yeah. I don't, because everything's illegal. Well, you know, our, the, the former company that we all worked for actually moved to that after you guys had all left, they, there was a personality test that you took. I feel like this is even more detailed and better and more thorough, but it did for sure. And we used to have a scale of it would go green or green yellow or red.

And if somebody was green, there are people that we would be reaching out to trying to interview them for sure. If they were yellow, it was somebody that we needed approval for by the district level to interview them. And then if they're red, we were just like, go these guys are idiots. Interesting. The problem is, is that people do it all the time, but they don't often follow up on it. So it's not clear how well they predict who's going to be a good employee. And part of that, just because each company's different

and the tasks are different. So what, who might be a good person in accounting might not be a good person in sales, and so you can't really give the same personality to tell. That would be an awesome, interesting test. No, it would be great. So this test, okay, so this was kind of funny when this rolled out.

This rolled out in the company, and I was part of it when it rolled out, and part of it rolling out, even though I was already hired in the company, but all of us managers took the test, so we could understand what it was and what your employees and what you were looking for. I actually failed it. So I would have been read and they wouldn't have hired me. So I came to the VP and made this huge debate. They're like, this is so stupid that we would, and especially at that time,

at that time I'm running their largest box on their number one fitness guy in the region and stuff like that. And then yet I wouldn't even have been hired based off this test. So, but I don't feel like it was as good as this one. I felt like it was very generic. Statistically speaking, I know because before I left,

we were talk about like how hard it was to interview people and figure out who would be good or not. And companies have a very vested interest in knowing who the right person is to hire. So lots of money has been invested. It's all market-driven because companies want to hire the best people. They've gone from everything from who has the best credentials to who has, who passed the best tests, or how to interview people.

At the end of the day, it's very difficult to predict. You know what? I've read some articles and they said, one of the best things to hire people for is, uh, is this someone you'd want to work with? Like at the end of the day, it's like, is this someone we want to work with? Does everybody like them? That are pop? Then it's more likely that it's going to be better that way. I think it'd be a better employee. It sounds stupid. It does, but it's true, right? We're not letting you do the hiring for my mom. I like you. Come on, have a job. So here's the $5 bet on this narcissism one.

Okay. Who's going to win that one? I'll get the first place. Well, this one's, I'm really curious to how this is going to go. Well, I'm curious to how it's split up because how she explained it, there's, there's a positive and negative. So is it barred twice or what it's like? Yeah.

So skip the next one. That's how it's actually. Okay. So we're going to start with the overall score just because. Okay. Right, so and what you'll see is there's comparisons this time to not only college students, but to MBA students and to celebrities. Damn.

Right. Feeling self-conscious. Yeah, Adam. We're both off the charts. Well, I'm hoping the-conscious. We're both off the charts. Well, I'm hoping the next page is going to show us where we're strong. So I'm hoping that the reason why we're above average is the leadership portion and the things that we're positive about.

And you're not really off the chart. You're 50% more. Right? Whereas other things you guys have been double or something. And Justin's a little bit lower than average. Okay, so if we go to the next one. So Adam, who is pushing for this has 100% on leadership.

Good job, Adam. Oh, great. Oh, good job, Adam. And he's zero on exploitiveness, which is that really awful part of narcissism. Boom! That's what a mother fucking talking about right there. Right. All you listeners right now that were talking shit before thought I was this guy so

full of himself and stuff. There you go in your face. He ran all those books. Okay. It paid off. So actually, you know, Adam Justin and tell you're all at zero on the exploit of this really negative one. But Doug is trying to sneak it in there on that one.

Yeah, well Doug, you got a 25 and the average is 39. So you're still lower than most people. You're still lower than average. Oh, okay. Yeah, but it would make sense. He's the producer. He's exploiting us That's his job Here's the thing that's weird about the grandiose thing. I beat you in that that Adam That's a like showing off thing dude

We need a beer Some of the questions are like I like to look at myself in the mirror. Oh yeah. Definitely. He's been on the social media and selfie game about a year and a half less than me, and he's blown me away by pictures. You know what, though?

This is very true. Just not to go too off subject. You know what, I like about this iPad, you just handed me? The top lets me reflect, and I can see my face. I can see my face. Right, right. So Justin's pretty low. Like the leadership is as average, but the other ones are lower than you guys.

Justin, you work on that leadership, or you just hang out with people who have leadership and it doesn't matter. I lead in a different way. People follow. I don't know if it's like it's described everything wrong the way. Hey, I'm doing this shit. No, that's why our relationship works so well because especially our business partnership. You know, he's I got I got a question. So looking at something like this, it's some of the things

that I can predict this. I can see how this might be an issue for some people. I don't think it would be for us. But you know, me and Adam were very similar in certain things. And some of the things we were similar in would make me think that there'd be potential for conflict in the future. Is that fair to say? Since we're both on the leadership and all that other stuff. Also remember, we went over some of the stuff as far as it's being passive and not being like,

so we actually have sides to us, even though we're assertive in the the leadership and all those categories of that There's also a side of us too that doesn't doesn't need that you know I'm saying so yeah, which we talked about earlier so you know, I think if we scored high Preableness, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all had agreeable. I agree. We all like right right right yeah And I think again, it's part of finding your niche too that that if you have outlets to it often, it's like two people can be really high in leadership, but they might not be passionate about the same things, right?

That you can both, you can be passionate about mind pump, but there's going to be different things that you're really passionate about within there. Totally. And if you listen to an episode, you would just sell up the lines that need to have to give these really big words and explanation and stuff. I'm just like, I have no need to do that right there. You can take that, bro.

All you want is to translate the mic. I can't. Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. You know what, this just really just describes like the Avengers, I think.

The New Year's. Yeah, it always builds down to us being some kind of superhero team. That's just it though, because you see how much higher we are than average. We're fighting on some level. We're fitness bullshit fighters. We are. Fitness bullshit fighters. I feel like if we put this out on the web, we get it just right somewhere.

Somebody want us working for them. Yeah. Right. Yeah, you can put it out on the web, we get it just right somewhere. Somebody want us working for him. Yeah. Right. Yeah, you can put it out on the web if you want. I think you can. Okay. Is there like a comparison with that, like as far as average is,

like, if you put, no, I'm talking about superhero still. I'm just saying, like Batman, I mean, he's really dark conflicted, but he kicks the crap out of the bag. Justin wants to be Batman. I'm just telling you, I'm telling you, there's like a Batman. I've always been, and I've always been more attracted inflicted, but he kicks the crap out of Justin wants to be bad man. I'm just telling you, there's like a bad man.

I've always been, and I've always been more attracted to like the, uh, the idea of like the Punisher and like Wolverine. Oh, that's, you know, you fit your, your testing fits right into that. And you know what? That's, uh, we talked about this before. Like when you think of like your super athletes, Ron, the Rouseys and these people that are just like dominate people and we're, all of us are so in awe of these people, but normally they have some serious imbalances. Because then that's what made them so extremely good at whatever it is they do.

Whether it be a profession, whether it be a sport, whether it be, whatever it is is typically when you are so strong and this character is so strong that it's made you famous that there's other things that they's some imbalances for sure So you you would as it you know Batman, you know as far as fighting crime and shit He's amazing, but you know, he's probably a terrible lover. He's probably he never shares his feelings You know, I'm mad man. He's a terrible probably storyteller. You know, I'm saying like yeah, there's a lot of things and Adam's no no humor Adam would definitely be off-demand. Yeah, that's what I'm saying Adam's no no humor Adam would definitely be Aquaman. Yeah, that's what I'm saying Oh, I'm here. Absolutely.

A Hulk. No, he's controls dolphins all day All day moving along. All right So then we have self-esteem So feeling confident. So this is different from narcissism. So narcissism is asking You guys ready to dominate it is different from narcissism. So narcissism is asking. Oh, yeah. You guys ready to get dominated? Yeah. Who's confident?

Who's your daddy? I find this useful. So that would be narcissism. Self-esteem. Did I just reveal too much that? Self-esteem is that one of the questions is that I am a person at worth on equal basis with others. So in narcissism, you're asking if you're better.

There's questions. The comparison I like to make is in self-esteem, you're being asked if you're equal with others. In narcissism, you're being asked, well, the world would be a better place if you ruled it. So there's really this superiority that's coming out of the narcissism versus in self-esteem, it's this sense of security. And it doesn't mean that you know everything or it's that you feel capable and worthy of love. But it also means you can fail at something and pick yourself up from it. Whereas in narcissism, often if you kind of attack a narcissist,

if you're like, that was a stupid idea, they will attack back, right? Cause often it's coming from a sense of insecurity or kind of defending against that. That's a lash out, right. I hate how revealing this is. This is amazing. I love this.

What are you talking about? I love this. We didn't even have to take offense. We could have just marked what we thought each of us were and we would have been correct. Pretty much. Let's just say, let's read it. Right.

OK, Justin got 100% on the issue. And you guys, you're all pretty even. And you're both 87.5 and 90 for Doug. We're all pretty damn confident, sounds like. Right. Yeah. Right. And then it's higher than average.

In general, people score high on self-esteem surveys. Okay. And then we have the life and jobs had section. So I thought you guys are very passionate about what your work is. And so I thought it would be interesting to compare you to other things. I went and double checked Adam's score on this life satisfaction. Oh my god, I must have typed that wrong. This guy is obviously not happy with his life. You know what?

Actually, no, it's just a terrible sad. It's very, I believe it's probably right on because I've always had that mentality of never satisfied. That's always been my motto. Never satisfied always pushing for the next level level up. That mentality has always been my mentality. And I know that too, even though that's a strength for many things, it's also something that can be a weakness in this situation.

I have to actively think about stepping in back and going like appreciating where I am at and where my life is and the things that I do have. Otherwise I can be so focused on the next and more and more and more. So I think it's fucking accurate, man. It's pretty accurate. Yeah, you got a hundred on the job satisfaction. Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. Pretty good at that. I'm pretty good at that.

You're in it. I'm pretty good at what I do. You control it. Well, Justin got a hundred on life satisfaction. It's just like if you're happy with your life, really, right? That's basically where's your set? I made a 65, which is a little bit below average. That's true. Wow, dude. Actually, on both categories, you're below average. Well, I'm about the, I mean, 75 is in the middle. I mean, it's true. Wow dude. Actually on both categories your below average well I'm about the I mean 75 as is in the middle. I mean it's its average. No, no 76 and 73 and that's a 75 and that's a 63 that would make you lower on both It's going on bro. I'm glad you highlighted Do we need a paid? Do we need a pauses and actually have a little talk time to get paid?

You know what he needs his shoulders around I just say you know we hold you Well, I don't know why you're maybe sound. I think you need to be helping dug out here Yeah, what's Doug's situation? Oh, yeah, Doug's got some serious issues We just need a cradle the don't piss them on I'm gonna manipulate if he is Be nice to him. Interesting. Oh, here's a good one. The next category.

Right, so these were some of the questions you guys were talking about. So this is socio-sexuality, which is a willingness to engage in uncommitted sexual relations. And the question's asked about your behaviors, about your attitudes and your desires and fantasy. And I did not break it down into these categories so that it is not true and too revealing. This is probably, I would guess this is probably the section most people lie.

If they're gonna lie on anything, right? This is the one that they'll be like, oh, I'm afraid. Isn't there like, when you're not asking, you guys gave your names obviously, but usually when you give these surveys and you're not asking people's names and stuff, they're pretty honest about it.

Can we see them anyway? Is there, not the break down? Yeah, not on air. Well, I don't mean them. You don't want to see it. Yeah, you can see it not on air. Oh, wow. This is revealing.

So let's go ahead and read off. Score the highest on that. I would have never guessed. Oh, interesting. So dad is out there above average. Ah. Oh wow. So somebody has some fetishes they haven't shared with us.

He's a freak. So, right. Yeah. So let's just talk for a minute about what it is. So this is related to, and if you're high on the scale, you're more likely to engage in sex earlier in a relationship. Maybe that will help your dating profile a little bit.

I... You. You. It's an on fire. It's most of the pants. He's down to get down. Yeah. Well, you can see all these other bars

are the males and females at different ages. That's interesting, yeah. Yeah, so you can see it doesn't change very much as you get older. And Sal, you're kind of right there on average with the guys. Justin, you're going to right there average with the girls. Um. So just bringing the girls. Yep. Same thing with Adam. I'm on ladies. Adam too. Hey, Doug, average with the girls. Um. Just mean the girls.

Yeah. Same thing with Adam. Yeah, Adam too. Hey Doug, we got two girls, we're gonna want those. I think we got to book that for. We have the same period. It's on that weird blinker scale. Cool, this is cool.

Is that, oh, damn, that's it. I want to see more crazy stuff. Yeah. Now I got see more crazy stuff. Now I got a question for you. So two things. First of all, based upon all the scores, we, we seem pretty normal. Yep. Okay. Second, I would say a lot of skills, you're above average. Okay. And in a good way. We're not normal on any of the, well, what I meant was we're not create like we're not bad crazy people. The second question is you listen to our show pretty consistently pretty regularly based upon the scores and when you hear the show. Doesn't seem like it matches up. What were some

when she just went this this the first time with us. What were some of the most shocking things for you knowing all because you listen to every show so you kind of have an idea of what all of us are like. Right. I think that right Adam not being your the sexuality right that gets talked about a lot. You weren't very high on that, which was interesting. I think just in at first glance, I was surprised at kind of some of those aggressive things, but in thinking it didn't take very long to come back to all the examples that have been given along those lines. Yeah, all the signs are there. Right.

And writing is on the wall. Yeah, probably there really weren't that many surprises in there. We had to surprise some of the listeners with the narcissists that want on us too, or me, at least. Right. Because I think I get hammered for that a lot,

talking about myself and being all about myself a lot, right? So. Right. And so for me, that wasn't surprising, because I understand more of the complexities I get hammered for that a lot, talking about myself and being all about myself a lot, right? So. Right. And so for me, that wasn't surprising because I understand more of the complexities of what narcissism is and what people mean when they say it. And so I think, especially, giving the field that you're in, that these kind of vanity type of skills are going to be high.

They have to be for all of you guys, and especially for Adam. And so I think that that wasn't surprising. Leadership is clearly that you guys are going to be high on. I was not surprised at all that you're not high on the more maladaptive socially toxic kind of exploitiveness. I think that there's nothing in the show that's really made me think you guys would be high on that. Very cool.

This is great. That was fun. I feel good. I was awesome. Yeah, I feel really good about myself. No, and I really should. And so Doug, since you're obviously according to this thing most responsible to make sure this happens, we should totally get that out to maybe offer that like a free thing.

So our members can actually take the test to. Well, they do though that how would they score it? That's the only thing is. Right. We would need to, there's what it's possible to do that. I don't have the web programming to do it. But they should be, it's just math, right? So the computer just needs to know the math to put together. And then they would pop their score out. Like a lot of people make websites that do that. Interesting. Because it'd be really fun to like take, you know, four or five of the main categories, especially the ones

that we're all going to do. See what the averages are? Yeah, and then actually what of our listeners or forum people actually match the closest to us? No, I think so too. That's why I think it would be very interesting. I have another question. On these scales, these scales, they're not set, right?

They can move as a person grows and changes. Okay, because I'm thinking like, just in terms of the grandiose aspect of narcissism, right? Somebody, I've seen this happen for myself, not for me, but for people I've worked with personally, where they'll come to me, they're very self-conscious about their body, how they look, in extreme cases, they're very obese, and then they all of a sudden get real fit over a period of a year or whatever, and they change completely in that aspect, whereas before, they were very ashamed

and not narcissistic on that aspect, and then all of a sudden it's like, everybody look at me, and I've seen that countless times become a stress on the relationships, because now they're so different on that. Is that fair to say?

Is that something that? Yeah, I think these things are pretty, there's a lot of stability in them, but you can move it around. The thing is, a lot of times we don't move around a lot on that, but it's because we are creating, based on our personalities, we put ourselves into environments that match

our personality and then that environment reinforces it. What you're talking about is changing the kind of context that person is living in. And there's been some differences in research. It's not as striking as you would think that if you change your environment a lot, that you really do change. So for example, life satisfaction, happiness, things like that, that a lot, you can have these really great things happen to you. And still feel that way, right?

Right. Well, often what happens is you, like if you win the lottery, you feel really great, but you just kind of go back to baseline after a while. I've read that so many times. Right. And so a lot, so those kinds of changes, it could either be that their environment, their context that they were living in was suppressing the, the, their natural tendencies, or it could be that after they've kind of lived with that for a while, they're going to go back to their natural tendencies. Right. And so it's hard to know, but the

biggest thing is that we don't change our environments that often. Well, what did you think? Because I would think part of the reason why I beat Sal and everything was my, I have a lot of social and emotional intelligence. It is something that I like to read. Not compassion. Yeah, why he's busy reading about mitochondria and stuff like that. I'm actually reading on how to better myself. So I have a feeling that might have something to do with it. I mean, I've got to- You're too busy leading people.

Yeah. I know they deal. We're all sheep in your head. I'm over there being useless. The useless nerd of the horn. You're not explaining your name. The prince out'm reading mom. I'm learning about my account.

I think I just throw my- I'm gonna change the world one day. Adam literally picked out the one word in his head that was kind of big. My account was that. I was like, what's the last word I had to look at? What was the last word I had to look at? Oh, mitochondria, I remember that. That is what I was saying.

Now that's not, so my defensiveness would be that the big words do not correlate with intelligence. True. Because I am not in fact, I remember in grad school I was talking to a friend and some word came out of my mouth that I was like, it's weird. I don't usually say kind of a big word like that. And she turned me, she's like, that was weird, you don't use big words. But I often get complimented,

because when I talk about science, I don't use big words. We're like, wow, you made that so understandable. I'm like, yeah, because I don't really know the definitions of all these other big words. Yeah, because I always feel like, if I learn the most from people that can really, put it into a relatable

format so I can easily absorb it. I feel like, Sal is a really good job of that. That's why I feel you're intelligent. I don't feel that. You throw in all these big words and things that you've read in articles, it's really the meat of it. It's really that you can take that information and really take components of that and then put it out there in a form that like,

I understand, I obviously know a lot of the listeners understand on a deeper level. So, I think, too, I think verbal fluency, I think you develop it from the way you read. So I read a lot of articles that use complex terms. And so over time, you have to learn them. Otherwise, you can't understand what's in the article. And then I have the luxury of,

because I'm a personal trainer in a high-end area, a lot of my clients are, I have a lot of doctor clients. And when they talk to me, they don't, they don't try to put things in layman's terms. And so I've had to learn, because you guys know as trainers, you wanna be able to connect with your clients because that makes the experience a lot better. I don't want them to tell me stuff

from you being like, what? So because I train all these doctors, I've learned to be able to use these words and conversation and learn. And so it's just over time, but yeah, you're right, I don't think has anything to do with intelligence. Being able to communicate properly

is probably more important than anything. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. People don't understand what the fuck you're saying. It doesn't really matter, bro. I mean, just because you're using a bunch of big words, you might approve it in the fact that you can read a book really well, but as far as the deliver that message, I mean, if people don't understand,

it's pretty much worthless. I feel like those types of people would score really high on that negative aspect of narcissism, right? Because they feel that entitlement, they feel that like they know so much more than everybody. So therefore, they're gonna present themselves in a higher, like, well, maybe if you get me, if you get me,

if you don't, that's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But maybe they're just, they're just not related. They're just unaware of that. They're not communicating effectively. That's just the way they talk. Yeah, they're not, they're not aware of themselves enough. There's social awareness is extremely important.

Yeah, I've talked into this guy over here who's not a surgeon, but I'm a surgeon. I'm gonna talk to him like he is one. And he's probably not, you know, I'm not aware that he had no idea what the home talking about. I would venture to say that Justin's got is on the right track though too, because more often than that. And I don't know how to say this,

I know you have some doctor, we had a doctor on here, just when we have another doctor sitting here now that are totally not like this. Yeah, I was gonna say, but a lot of doctors, a lot of doctors have that God complex of that, you know, feeling the need to impress people with, you know, all that stuff. I wonder if it's a stereotype though, I don't know if it's true or not. Is there any insight to that, Dr. Katie?

Not that I don't know off the top of my head, whether there is, but I think what you're just describing at him is what I think of as the kind of classic narcissism where there's an insecurity that you have to defend against, right? And so you feel the need to overcompensate, right? Right. Interesting.

Yeah, that's what, that's if, whenever someone talks to me like that, that's what I, and I always try to... That's the impression you get. It is, it's the impression I get, and I always try and make sure on the same way too, when I talk to people, like just because I can wow and dazzle you with fitness words,

like I'm not gonna do it because I don't, I don't want to show my insecurities. Like I feel insecure, so I need to make you feel like I'm so smart by using all these words that you're just like, huh, after I'm done, I would much rather deliver a message to you and you're like, okay, I get that. You know, by using analogies or examples of real life shit

that most people understand, you know. Excellent. Well, this was a blast. Yeah, very super fun. Thank you for coming on. Very excellent. So awesome, Doug, do you have anything you want to add over there? We need to talk, actually Doug. Yeah, we'll off of it. We got some issues. We got to show

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