Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1451: How Long to Rest Between Sets, Training Post Pregnancy, How to Alleviate Knee Pain & More

Episode Date: December 23, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the ideal rest period between sets, how to train after pregnancy, recommended exercises to alleviate knee pain, and how to measure success as a trainer. Ned Sleep, sleep like your dead. (6:07) What it is like to see your parents as grandparents. (7:04) Zbiotics, coming in clutch for the holidays. (16:10) Jake Paul is brilliant at social media. (17:44) Don’t tell a pro wrestler wrestling is fake. (25:27) Breaking up over Cameo. (27:51) Should there be regulations surrounding pornography? (29:01) Can taking aspirin reduce the symptoms of COVID-19? (34:57) Can dogs be trained to detect COVID-19? (39:19) Mind Pump Recommends, the Word on Fire podcast with Bishop Barron. (40:08) #Quah question #1 – Is there an ideal rest period between sets? I’m sure it’s subjective, but are there body queues I should be listening to that can help me determine an appropriate rest? (44:13) #Quah question #2 – Do you recommend Starter or Anywhere for after pregnancy, if I was doing Anabolic and teaching cycling classes before? I do not have home equipment for Anabolic. (49:24) #Quah question #3 – What exercise would you recommend to alleviate knee pain? (52:17) #Quah question #4 – In a recent podcast, Adam mentioned getting burnt out as a trainer in part to the generally low success rate in helping clients reach their goals. So, how do you measure your success as a trainer then? What metrics do you use to know you are doing a good job? (55:05) Related Links/Products Mentioned December Special: 3 MAPS Bundles for your level of fitness! Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! UFC's Nate Diaz Calls out 'Dumbs--t' Jake Paul After Conor McGregor Video Jake Paul drags Conor McGregor’s wife into disgusting $50 million ploy Mind Pump #1437: The Unfiltered Truth About MMA With Phil Daru Logan Paul | Food Truck Diaries | BELOW THE BELT with Brendan Schaub 20/20 Interviewer John Stossel Gets Slapped Down by Wrestler! Someone Paid UFC Announcer Bruce Buffer $299 To Help Them Break Up With Someone Over A Cameo Video Mastercard, Visa to block use of cards on Pornhub website Watch Middle Men | Prime Video Aspirin Use is Associated with Decreased Mechanical Ventilation, ICU Admission, and In-Hospital Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19 Dogs can be trained to detect Covid-19 by sniffing human sweat, study suggests WOF 260: Has Liberalism Failed? w/ Dave Rubin (part 1 of 2) WOF 262: Has Liberalism Failed? w/ Dave Rubin (part 2 of 2) Mind Pump #945: The Best Rest Periods For Muscle Gain & Fat Loss MAPS Starter | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media Why Mobility Training can be so Important for Fighting Chronic Pain – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Prime Pro Webinar The Most Important Skill For Personal Trainers – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Phil Daru (@darustrong)  Instagram Brendan Schaub (@brendanschaub)  Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron)  Instagram Jessica Di Stefano (@thetraininghour)  Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink)  Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You are listening to the number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. You made it. Now in today's episode, we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by our audience and listeners, just like you, but the way we open the episode is with current events, fun conversation, we mentioned our sponsors.

Today's intro portion was 38 minutes. After that, we got into the fitness questions. I'm gonna give you a rundown of today's entire episode. We open up by talking about my incredibly deep sleep last night, due to a product called Ned Sleep. This stuff is powerful, ladies and gentlemen, try it out one time, you'll sleep like a log. It's very effective and because you listen to Mind Pump,

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This is Adam's mom and her relationship to her grandchildren and Adam's relationship to that whole situation, which is interesting. Then we talk about Adam's use of Zbiotics and how his family has stolen all the mind pump Zbiotics as they like to drink alcohol. They can get down. Zbiotics is a genetically modified bacteria, okay? It's patented. You drink it right before you drink alcohol.

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It's I mean they've earned it and Adam was right about that. He called it a little while ago So he was right one time that's a termed we talked about the time John Stossel called out a pro wrestler told him wrestling was fake and lost his hearing Let me watch the video and it was great. As a result, we talk about Bruce Buffer helping someone break up with their girlfriend. We bring up PornHub and how Visa and Massacard will no longer be working with PornHub. So all you guys out there and girls who pay for porn, which is weird, you're gonna have to use Bitcoin now, apparently. I'm sorry, mom, we keep bringing up Porn.

Then I talked about aspirin and fish oil and how those can Maybe help with severe symptoms or prevent severe symptoms from COVID There's some interesting studies on this stuff go check it out Then we talk about how dogs are being trained to smell COVID. I wonder what that smells like But they smell me smells like bat soup And then I talked about a podcast that I really enjoyed with Bishop Baron and Rubin Dave Rubin excellent podcast called Ward on Fire. Go check it out.

Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know if there's an ideal rest period between sets. So we talk about rest periods, why they're important and what the ideal rest periods are. The next question, this person wants to know what we recommend as far as working out post pregnancy. So postnatal. The next question, this person wants to know what we recommend as far as working out post pregnancy. So postnatal. The next question, what exercises we recommend to help with knee pain? So we talk about knee pain and how to help yourself with that.

And then the final question, this person sounds like their personal trainer wants to know what you consider, how you consider yourself successful if you're a trainer. So what does that mean? Is it with your clients getting good results? Is it selling a lot of training? Is it the money? What's the deal with all of that? Now, also this month, we've put together

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or you can go on Facebook on your MindPump leave a review. It's gotta be a good review. We pick the best ones. You win a free shirt. It's super easy to win a shirt. Go do it right now. I haven't used the Ned sleep in a while because I ran out because who

was it that took them all? Was that you just? I never said, dude. It's the old dude, listen, you steal everything. So, you know, this is the one thing I got ahead of you. Yeah, nine out of 10 supplements I'll take. Yeah. You'll take the Ned sleep and then what is Adam's deal all the time?

I don't steal anything anymore. Yeah, you do. I just have a ship straight to my house. That's what I do. Asshole. I run all the partnerships. I was like, yeah, send that one to 3035. No, you got the barbecue.

No, you got the trigger. You got the, you got the, you got the, you got the, I'll take the $50,000 barbecue. The $50,000 barbecue. Exactly. I just can't have a sip of this. No, dude, I hadn't used it a long time. I used it last night.

Oh my God, dude, you sleep like you're dead. Yeah. Like, out, out. I took it and I woke up without waking up at all throughout the whole night. I felt like I did like a fast forward or something. It's crazy. Yeah, you just hibernated.

It should be nominated for like one of the products of the year. You know that right now that's going on right? They start doing all those products of the year and stuff. It should be up there. Oh yeah, for sure. We should submit something for you. Oh, you know what I want to bring up Adam? Oh, I killed it.

So you posted in your story a picture video of, it looked like your mom with her grandkids. Yeah, yeah. And she's playing with them and doing all that kind of stuff. And I was watching it, got me emotional because I know your history growing up and all that stuff. And now you see your mom with your kid and other kid.

Is your mom a different grandma than she was as a mom? Is it changing how you viewed things? Because I know it kind of does that for me a little bit. Change for me. Oh yeah, no, she's, you know, so I guess the thing that was, so we just celebrated our Christmas. The plus you're talking about was on my private page, that's Max's page. Oh that's it, okay. Yeah, so people listening didn't see it. So it was just a video of my mom. She was, I think she was like, She was reading or something. No, she was, she was showing them a video online, right?

And so she had got all of her grandkids sitting in her lap and around her and watching the videos. So yeah, the thing that's been really interesting to watch for my sister's and I is, we didn't as I've shared before our Christmas is worth the greatest, right? So I've talked about that. My mom's in a really good place now.

I mean, she's got a great job. She's married to somebody who's done well for himself. My mom's in a different position financially, and then now she's a grandma. She goes over the top spoils, like the kids for holidays. And so it's really interesting for all of, I mean, I heard my sister like throw a jab under her breath, like, her nose is like, oh, wow, it's nice that you guys have a nice Christmas, right? Like to the kids, right? So, um, so it's, but I, I'm really enjoying it. It's, it's actually really nice. I think it's

comp. My mom's super calm. She was not like that when we were kids, when we were kids. Our house was never calm. I feel like she has so much more patience. And I was talking, we were talking about it this weekend, just saying, what are we asking her? What's it like being grandma now? And she's like, it's the most amazing thing ever.

It feels like you get to relive having a child again because it's part of your bloodline, but then you get to give it back for all the hardship, you know, so you don't have to stay up late on the nights or if crying and fussing, you ain't gonna do anything. Plus you're more wise, you're not gonna stress out as much. Is your relationship changing now with your mom because of that?

Do you find yourself like seeing her differently? Yeah, I mean, I would say that my mom and I did a lot of work in my late 20s, early 30s. So before max, I just had max a year ago, right? So I think we had repaired our relationship towards my late 20s. My early 20s, it was just a disaster. I was still going through all my stuff. I had a lot of animosity towards my parents because of everything that happened. And then it wasn't until late 20s did I have this complete paradigm shift of,

you know what, I should be grateful for all that stuff that I think was so bad because it's really set me up for who I am today. And that mental shift has really helped me, like get over a lot of the stuff that I think I was holding against her. And I think she's also had a lot more compassion and empathy for us because one of the things

it's hard when you have a cycle like that with parents is as hard as I think my childhood was, my mom went through even more shit. So, plus she was a kid when she raised you guys. Right, and she was 20, right? So, when I would be giving her shit in her 20s, she would, instead of being sorry for it or explaining, she would like, you know, treat me like,

you're a pussy, you should've seen what I went through. You know what I'm saying? And you do that to a 20 year old kid who's got a bunch of animosity built up, it just causes friction. Of course. Where I think that's come full circle for us and it didn't happen until probably my late 20s,

early 30s where I, again, felt very grateful for all the stuff that we went through. And then I think that she started to build a little bit of empathy even for us, even though she knows that she had in harder. So yeah, I think that we had built a better foundation and then when Max came in, it's just like, and she's a great grandma.

My mom just, she absolutely loved. I know some, I have friends that like watching their parents, their parents are almost weird with the kids. It's not every grandparent like, handles children really well or is going to be like, if you had like a, so for example, have a buddy who has a dad and we didn't know this until he had his kid

that realized how Disconnected he was to raising the children the mom handled it so much That and we never thought that because we were kids We know to do yeah, and so then you see him with a grand kid and he's like You know, yeah, he's all nervous about it. They pooped, you know Yeah, right. It doesn't want to be left alone with a kid You're like what the fuck you raised me didn't you know, Yeah, yeah, right. It doesn't want to be left alone with a kid. You're like, what the fuck, you raised me, didn't you? You know, so the guys are like tripping out about that

where my mom is very hands on. Like my mom, you know, the fact that she did raise us, you know, when she was 20, you know, and she's had four kids, she's had a lot of practice. And so watching her with the grandkids, she's great. It is interesting to see your parents as grandparents because they're just like my, they're different. My dad doesn't, my dad, I've never seen him lose his temper

with his grandkids, ever. Oh, they're way more calm. Oh, yeah. My mom's the same way. Like she was just, I think we just stressed her the hell out, you know, like all the time. And yeah, so seeing her with my kids is like a completely different experience.

Just like super chill, like happy, you know, like that didn't happen a lot. Yeah, I think my mom like spanked like my, my daughter's hand one time, because she, my daughter, like totally deserved worse. She did one of these and my daughter was so shocked. And like, my daughter like, you know what? I can't know I did not the worst.

That was a high heel 20 years ago. Yeah, I would have forgot all the whole day. You guys actually celebrated Christmas on like an off day. And this has been a thing for you for each year. Yeah, I actually just posted about that, right? So I shared that with my followers and stuff that we've been doing this now for a while. My mom, and I love that my mom did this, right?

She finally just got so tired of, you know, fighting with the family over who's, because we're all married, everybody has kids, everybody's got big families. That's the smart strategy. Yeah, there's divorced and blended family with everybody, so it's like almost impossible to get a true holiday day with all of us.

And if we do, it's a window. It's like, oh, we'll all stop by moms on Christmas day for this like four hour block and then we have to go here and we have to go there where my mom's like, you know what, I don't give a shit about the date. You know, let's just say, let's just pick a weekend that is probably one of the slowest weekends for all of you guys.

And I want, I'd rather have all my kids under one roof and we'll celebrate Tom's birthday and Larry's birthday and Adam's birthday and you get to hack the system. Yeah, so and at first it was weird. So I was like not a fan of it when we first started doing. It's like this is weird. It's not Christmas, it's not my birthday.

Like why are we doing this now? I think now that I have a kid and I see like the interaction with his cousins and then my sisters and my mom and everybody all together, I'm extremely grateful that she started to do that because we can all be together. You know, something you said, I wanna go back to you

because I think it's such an important thing to talk about is you said, in your late 20s, you started to be thankful for the tough things that you went through because it made you who you are. Such an empowering switch of, I guess, a paradigm shift. It doesn't change anything that happened to you, but it changes the way that you view it and it's very empowering.

Such an empowering message. I think a lot of people forget that because if you constantly view your past as shitty, and yes, shitty things happen, but really the way you view it, you can either choose to be empowered by it or you could choose to feel like a total victim by it. Totally different.

No, it's always different. Every situation is all about how we frame it. And I believe that there's always a silver lining in every situation, so, but it took me a long time to believe that, right? When you're a young kid and you don't know any better, you're so selfish and secure, you have so much of your own shit that you go through shit

and then it's you, you know, my bad parents or bad situation, you blame the world. As an adult, I look back and like, for me, it was like training around. I go, you know, all the stuff that happens to you as you get older, because drama, shit will happen forever. And it happens to everybody and everybody's got a story. And I realized that all those things that I had gone through

had set me up to look at everything else that I go through as a doll. There's like nothing, like not a big deal. And so, and now that I look at that, when people ask me, like, that wasn't a big deal, you or that in bother you, or weren't you scared when this happened? And I was like, no, like, you want to hear a scary story. Let me tell you when I was eight. You know, let me tell you when this happened or when that happened, like, that was scary

because I was a kid and that started to like, really change the way I looked at it. That wow, you know, how'd I not gone through all those things that I used to be so angry about? I wouldn't have been so resilient as an adult. And so once I started to look at it like that, I started to think like, man, I'm actually really happy and glad that I went through all that stuff

and that changed our dynamic completely. Wait a minute, I just figured something out. Is that why all the, we didn't we have like a 48 packets of ebotic up at the house? Yeah, it's gone. Is that because you guys crushed all things? So that was actually, are all of them gone? Not all of them.

So, and I'm replacing them. Well, there's like two left. No, there's a couple more than that. That's right. That was because of Katrina's family. So we had Katrina's family, though the weekend or two weekends before that, for Thanksgiving, right?

So they came out there and we had just got that Z-biotic, the big old family patch. The special order. And when the family found out that we had it at the house, everybody wanted to try it out. And they, like her family goes ham, do you know? I mean, they just, she's definitely got it in the blood. Like, there's not a single family member.

They have two livers each. Yeah. Who doesn't drink. They all get some nog fling. Mix their alcohol, party all night long, get back up the next day, run it back, like it was no big deal. Like, so I just, and so I introduced it to the family

and once everybody, and we were there for a whole week. So once they try, like people tried it, they were like, holy shit, I feel amazing today. And I get like 12 drinks yesterday. Wait a minute, they drink more because of it? Oh yeah, that's the bad part. I know. That's what it does, right?

Cause it makes you, I mean, I have a limiter. Yeah, super cocky about it. Yeah, when I, if I'm not, if I don't have Z-biotic around and I'm happened to have a drink or two, I shut it down like it to. I know, like if I go any more than that, like I start getting four, five, six drinks and I don't have Z-biotic, I know I'm paying for it.

I know 100% that I'm gonna feel terrible the next day and it'll be at least a day or two before I feel like my diet is back and like my training and everything's back. So I just say, hell, I'm not doing it unless I have that. Wow, that's insane. Hey, what do you guys think about the Jake Paul? You guys see that?

Oh, yeah, so you watched that whole hype video that he was trying to put out there. Dude, I have to say this. With Connor? Yeah, he is. It is for sure. He is, whatever you think about him as a person, whatever annoying, that's what, brilliant.

Brilliant, social media. That's why he proposed what, five million out of his own. No, 15 million. It is the largest offer for a fight ever. Of course he's gonna say that. That's why it'll happen. He has bought himself a ticket. That's why it'll happen.

It will 100% happen because of the money because he is offering him more money than anybody has ever offered to get him to fight. Plus then he get the pay-per-view money on top of that. And he'll know that. He'll know it'll be a bigger pay, he'll get a bigger payday fighting Jake Paul with that than he would, then he did. Plus the way he presented himself.

So silly. And the way he talks shit about McGregor's wife, did you hear that part? Yes, I did. He's like, oh, she's a four, so. Yeah. Oh my God. Like brilliant because, you know, who knows how he is behind, you know, off the camera, but that's gonna make people wanna watch because you either wanna watch him get his ass kicked,

which I think a lot of people are gonna be like, Oh, 100%. Please kick his ass, or you're gonna watch because you wanna. Do she sunglasses, it is like stupid hair. Oh my God. I mean, you've seen that guy? Yeah. Dude, smart though.

Yeah. Very, very smart. 100% tell you guys it will happen of Course 50 million dollars you'd be stupid not to do it and then who was it? Was it Nate Diaz that was talking shit back to my room? Yeah, I mean those guys are just you know Hopefully does it see him on the street because they just want to fight no matter what now I will do it for free I mean I guess when you're talking about the money that we're talking about because Because my thing would be this, is like once he does this, he's done.

Because once Connor or a real fighter fucking just wallop him, manhandle. No one's gonna give a shit about watching him box again, until he actually goes to, but who gives a shit if you cash out for a hundred and something million? Now do you think I'm so confused, dude? Cause didn't Logan lose in his last fight

and now it gets to fight McGregor? Or not McGregor or not The Gregor you mean Jake no Logan is fighting Mayweather. Oh, okay. Yeah lost his right right right right right yeah No, did he lose his fight he lost that fight. Yeah, I didn't go on right before that. Oh, he did lose it Yeah, okay, I don't see I didn't see I'm just like whatever. They're just paying for you know Their way to fight well, they're just they're just a brilliant strategy. They're making money hand over fist. And if you're a fighter, here's a deal. The fight game is, yeah, there's honor

and all that stuff involved, but it's a business. And that's the bottom line. And if you're a fighter, even more so these days. Yeah, you're a fighter and you get paid 10 million to fight in the UFC, that's great. But someone's offering you 50 million and you're like, this guy's not even a problem. Did you see, I sent you guys a screenshot of his story

when he was showing the breakdown of what he sold for pay-per-views on his last flight? It was the eighth largest pay-per-view. Yeah, wow. It's crazy. That was crazy. You know, you totally called it, Adam. You were 100% right.

I know you called this before and I argued with you. How do you think you're doing? I do feel, right now. Hearing him say that, I know. It's like, oh wow. Yeah, that's the moment. That's the moment. No, but you know, what's like a wild thing. That's the same moment. No, but you know, you know what though?

Do you think that there's a limited shelf life on this? Like right now it's a lot of novel people. You know, I don't think so, because here's the thing, just like what anyone who sets it up like Jake did really well, because I think you're right that 80 to 90% of the people, including myself would pay for that paper if you're just because I want wanna see his ask a beat.

So, if you get a person who's got enough popularity and another person who's got enough popularity, talking shit, it doesn't matter how much we speculate heading into it, how much you know this guy's gonna win because if they did a good job of shit talking, you're watching it. I mean, come on, people watch WWF all day long and ain't real. I know I'm gonna offend fend a bunch of fucking wrestlers. It's just

real. It's too real. Oh no, it's scripted, but that doesn't mean it. You get messed up. Yeah, yeah. But you know what I mean though. It's like a dance. I mean, everybody who watches it knows that those guys technically don't hate each other or anything like that. But we get into it and we still are entertained by it. So why is this any different? Yeah. You know, the only people I feel the worst about is this, are there real professional boxes that are trying to... Of course, because you're getting brain damage, you're fighting for years, you're flying

and sharpening your skills. And then, you know, you make like, a fight brand. Question is, is this the natural evolution of the sport? Will this force fighters from now on, like, they will, they'll have to look at themselves as entertainers also. They were doing it before. Yeah, no, it's somewhere, somewhere doing it. More will probably do it now.

Yeah, like that'll be part of your training. It's like, not only are you boxing and training and practicing, but then you also have got to do the first. They were talking to Phil D'Aru about that. Remember he was talking about like people that didn't get contracts in the UFC because they just weren't entertaining enough. They didn't have any personality.

And it's like, he's not gonna sign, even though you're like a really world class fighter, you know, it's tough. Muhammad Ali was one of the first fighters to really put this together. I mean, he put on a show. Everybody's modeled in action. He would make poems and it was one way he got into people's,

he got into their heads a little bit, but you wanted to watch so much because it's cocky, loud fighter. Because before that boxing was, it was very professional. You didn't really talk a lot of shit. Like you'd have these conference, they'd sit down, they'd shake hands, and it was a,

there was a different, like honor code or whatever. Now it's all, I mean, a lot of its entertainment. Well, just think too, from like a, how many does Jake Paul have like what is Followers like 14 million or something like that? No, no, no, it's just a little bit bigger. Jake is smaller than his brother right? No, no, no, Jake is as big or bigger Jake's the bigger guy. They're both biggest fuck now is Jake is they're both my size plus 20 pounds now Who's the one that has the wrestling background? I think it's Logan. Is it Logan? Okay, because McGregor is not huge naturally.

He's not a big dude naturally, right? Oh no, he's way small. He fights it like 170 and then he's, you're talking about a guy who walks around at 220. So he probably, McGregor probably walks around at 190 or something like that. So he'll be out weighed. Is it gonna be MMA or is it gonna be boxing?

It's just boxing. Come on, you know. If it was MMA it would've been. Dude, yeah. I'm definitely I'll just he'll just take him down and choke him out oh yeah I mean I think he's gonna out box him I really think he'll out he's just he's more athletic

bottom line and I think it'll be he'll he'll I mean Gregor will kick his ass it's not even a matter but here's the thing look at this we're sitting here debating that anyway exactly and the fact that we're having that conversation is there's you got to think with Jake Paul has got to have where others is a breakdown. He's 6'1, what is it? Doesn't show up.

Yeah, his weight, I think he's like 170, I'm not sorry, 189 or something like that. What? Maybe that's how he gets set. Yeah, 189. Oh, well, when he fought Robinson, okay. Oh, so he can't have that. Now, McGregor is 5'9 and weighs 170.

Okay, so I was about, 6'1 and 5'. And this is boxing only. They're not that, he's 189. He does not look no one. He must have cut down for that fight, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's, he looks way, maybe then you're right then, then that means Logan is probably quite a bit bigger

than he is. I thought Logan's 200 pounds fighting way. Okay, so yeah, look, they look like Jake looks bigger to me. I don't know, maybe he's this decondition more. Logan's in better shape. Well, six one and five nine boxing only He's got a boxer's chance or a puncher's chance if he swing whatever does he have the skill?

I mean you're talking about world class, but then again McGregor's not a world-class boxers a world class MMA fighter Yeah, but you see what they're setting the table for too, right? Did you see Logan talking to Shob no, yeah, so Brennan Shob will interview to talk to logon and they they believe or what they're trying to set the table for is the two of them fighting each other so right now they're off fighting all picking fights with all these people to get all this attention make all this money then eventually the paper view everyone want to see is the brothers fight

each other while and he and logon really believes it'll be like the biggest event that's ever happened. Hey, do you guys remember, do you guys know John Stossalis? Oh my God, I retire. Yeah. Do you know John Stossalis, Justin? The reporter?

Okay. Oh, wait, it depends like if you could do an impersonation of him. Yeah, well, if Doug pulls him up, you'll see him on time. Do you want to hear the impersonation? He was a reporter. I don't know, I'm from impersonation. He was a reporter, one of the first reporters that he reported on pro wrestling being fake.

So it was kind of known that it was fake, but he was one of the first guys to be like, no it's fake and I'm gonna go behind the scenes to prove it and he went up to a, I don't remember the guy's name, it was a pro wrestler. That guy right there, you guys know what that is. He looks like a heraldo. Kind of.

He went up to a pro wrestler. You gotta pull this up when John Stossel confronts pro wrestler. He went up to a pro wrestler after like a match. You got a body slam on it. No, he goes, he goes pro wrestling's fake, right? And the guy goes, is it fake? Is it, is this fake? And blah!

He slaps him. Yeah, that guy right there. Oh, there he is. Blast him on the floor and basically made him death in a year. That's a million dollar man, isn't it? No, that's right there. Oh there. Blast him on the floor and basically made him deaf and That's a million dollar man, isn't it? No, that's some other guy. Oh, it is. Yeah, they really hate each other They slap the shit out of you. Oh, no, that guy goes. Oh, is this fate and he fucked them up? You guys never seen that video? Oh, it's great. I've never seen it. It's it's pretty awesome Wrestling is fake watch this. Yeah, this is such a great was this? This was in the, I wanna say 80s or,

no it was after that. All of the 80s I think we believed it was real. No, that's what I'm saying. Like there was still people would still argue as to whether or not it was real or not. But Stasoul made this, he did this whole like report. Did this guy, so he's confronting him right there. And he goes, did you see?

Did you see his fake? Yeah. He goes, oh, is this, it goes, this fake. Oh yeah. Watch me test it. It's fucked up bro. It's terrifying. What's this?

You cameras fake. Yeah. Oh, it's, this is, it's, it's so, he is flinch on him right there. Yeah, so John Stossel lost hearing in one of his year and, and no, he didn't. He did. How much did he, oh what, boom,

he bled like that on the ground. He doesn't get watch how much he oh watch boom He doesn't get watch this best out dude How much you get soup for that he a lot yeah, he took him to core and got paid for a long time I guess he had hearing damage and something else like headaches that last the first years. Oh my God. That's the most beautiful. Yeah, don't go up to a pro wrestler. Hey, did you guys see a shop? Did a, okay, so Justin, you brought up, like, I don't know,

this was a few months ago, this whole thing where you could like pay for celebrities to leave messages. What was that called? Oh, yeah. Cameo. Cameo is just called cameo. Just called cameo. And so if, correct me if I'm wrong, you, what was that call? Oh yeah. Cameo. Cameo is just called cameo. Just called cameo. It's a app.

And correct me if I'm wrong. What you can do is I can pick and it's, I'm sure they're all priced differently. So the more famous somebody is, if I want the rock to sing happy birthday to my mom, I could pay some like we're crazy. Yeah, I mean, you search for the celebrity you want, like what like from deed to a whatever,

like whichever ones are actually like on that platform, you can pay for them to do yeah, like whichever ones are actually like on that platform, you can pay for them to do, yeah, like seeing happy birthday or like have a private, like a message that's like, you know, like one to two minutes long, something like that. So Brendan Schobb posted a Bruce Buffer one. This dude broke up with, he paid, they broke up with his girlfriend with Bruce Buffer.

Oh my God. So Bruce Buffer did his whole like in the ring, like an announcement thing. And it's like, it's time! It's time for you to hit me! Take it out of here! That's wild. Can you imagine being someone forget a relationship and you get that message? Oh my God.

Hey, did you guys see that this is kind of a big deal? I think it was Visa and MasterCard have pulled ice in that to you from PornHub. And you were like, who pays for porn? That's obviously a lot of people. That's so true. So it was like a New York Times, they were doing an investigative,

I don't know, a piece on it or whatever. I forget how it got exposed. And then like basically, because like anybody could post on there and they weren't't screening them properly, there was child abuse, all the stuff that was getting uploaded, and so that's kind of what started all of that.

Yeah, so apparently there was people whose videos were getting uploaded without their permission or whatever, and because it's kind of like YouTube or you upload, and they don't have enough people to check every single, I don't know how many videos get uploaded to PormHub every single day, but it's an incredible amount. Quadzillion.

And so there's this investigation going, so Visa, Massacre pulled from PormHub and now they're doing this whole thing. And now they're only, I thought I read that they're only allowing like verified accounts to even post on it. So what's they're doing now? Yeah, yeah. I agree with this, man.

I think that there needs to be some stricter regulation with this kind of stuff. Because I remember reading the story of this girl who had this really, she had sex with these guys, but it was necessarily something she consented to, and it got uploaded. And then once it's up there, people could rip it and it's out there.

Now, how does a free market guy like you make peace with decisions like that, right? So you're a really like super pro free market, let the market decide and figure it out. This is part of it. Here's a situation where you know, you would want regulation to be in there. Like how do you, how do you make peace with that

with somebody who is a real free market? So I'm not a, again, I'm not an anarchist, right? So I do believe in the court system. I do believe in laws. And I think suing them in the court system is part of the checks and balances. And I know that they've gotten sued. Now we have an investigation going in,

and they're changing. You gotta remember that the wide use of pornography or mainstream is relatively new. And it takes a few decades before things really start to kind of shape up or whatever. This is part of it in my opinion. Speaking of which, isn't there this show called Middle Men?

Was it you Doug that was bringing this up? Yeah, I actually watched it. It's pretty interesting. It's about the porn industry and how this guy basically, or these two guys figured out how to take online payments. At that time, nobody was doing it. And not even Visa or MasterCard, so they made a fortune. Yeah, so is middleman like a really nice way of like say digital Pimp?

Kind of, I guess you would say. Yeah, that's what's out like. So I read... A digital Pimp, right? You just, how funny is that that you could get away with it online, but then if you were to be doing that? On the streets, it's not okay. It's a porn industry So it's not actually prostitution. Yeah, yeah, but kind of sure Yeah, you can't paint me for sex unless we film it. Yeah, you could dress it up

That's true, then it's totally fine. We're actors. I I so I read that and I read some other articles So very interesting. I don't know this. So the VCR industry, people think that the VCR industry would never have taken off the way it did if it wasn't for pornography. Because remember at that time, there was no real like rental industry, it wasn't a big deal, but porn was a big deal because now you could take a video and watch it in the privacy of your own home,

and they think that's one of the initial reasons why this is the other story. So that's true, wouldn't that mean that the original like movie rental store that used to go to as a kid probably started as adults first, and then they started to expand into other areas? It gave them the foothold is what they're saying, right? That's what kind of gave them that initial boost.

And then they said it's no coincidence that the porn convention in Vegas happens literally across the hallway. CES. CES, the tech industry's convention. They say because the porn industry has driven so much advancements in entertainment tech and taking payments and that kind of stuff, screening video, they kind of go hand in hand.

Very interesting. That is stealing all of your data. Well, that makes me, I can say, so I don't quite remember it was before me, so I'm assuming it was like in the 70s when those, maybe you can school us here. So, well, when I was a kid, before even blockbuster, you had all these like, raise video,

and Mike's video. I went to photo drive up, 24 hour photo drive up. Yeah, you had these small mom, movie rentals, they all had what Justin talks about with the beads in the back and yet to go through and there's all the adult films. The room of shame. If what Salah is saying is true,

then I would assume that raise video was originally all porn and then eventually moved into drama and horror and all the other genres. Do you remember if they were primarily like porn rental places? I can't speak to that. I know a lot of places came up and they had all types of movies

and they had that room in the back, but I can't say if somebody started out in porn and then branched out into other things. Well, to me that would prove your theory. Yes, they're right or wrong. Well, so this was in an article that I was reading and it was because everything online is always true. Well, these were historians that talk about tech

and advancements and they also talk about why beta max got their asses kicked because the porn industry did not typically put pornography on beta. It was VCR So if you're gonna if you're a dad and you can remember at one point that what happened with HD DVD versus the Mayver that battle who accepted born first. Yeah, well think about it You're which one made it think about your dad You're gonna go buy like an expensive piece of technology this new thing that you can watch Beta Max versus VCR,

which one's better? Oh wait, this one, let me get this one. One plays my adult one, so that's, let's be watch Debbie does Dallas. Oh my goodness. And the other one's done. There's a theory. I don't know, great.

Anyway, I'm gonna do a little sharp turn here. I was doing some research on treatments for COVID. I did not know this at all. You guys wanna hear some crazy shit? Yeah. Okay, so there hear some crazy shit? Yeah. Okay, so there was some initial, and there's more studies going on right now. So COVID, a lot of doctors and researchers are saying

is a blood vessel disease or a vascular disease. It causes the blood to clot quite a bit. In fact, when they do autopsies of people who die from COVID, think something like around 70% of the people they find blood clots in different parts of the body, legs, the lungs, all over the place. And it's one of the reasons why people with comorbidities like diabetes is such a higher risk of death

is because you already have issues with blood clots and stroke and stuff with those comorbidities. So anyway, there was this one study where they were giving patients aspirin. Aspirin has been around for a hundred years. Yeah. Some of the oldest medicines around, we know what it does, what it doesn't do, relatively safe, and we know it's a very powerful, anti-collagulent substance, right? Thins the blood. In fact, they give it to, they'll give you like a low dose of it if you've had a heart attack

or a redder, or if you have a stint, right? They'll take people to ages preventatively, right? Exactly. So they did this study and they're doing more studies. It led to a 44% reduction in severe COVID symptoms, which was just by taking aspirin. aspirin. No, simple. Simple, that. Cheap, simple, whatever.

So it was, I'll look up the statistics and they're doing more studies on this. I'm like, why isn't this more, like, why don't we know, 44% less likely to be put on a ventilator, and 43% less likely to be admitted to the intensive care unit. Wow, that's interesting.

Isn't that crazy? Did you guys see the basketball player, the college kid who collapsed? What was that? I did see that. So what happened to him? Well, I think he's in a coma right now, and they don't know why yet, but I know that he also had COVID earlier in the year though

So of course it's getting all kinds of attention right now that and then when you're talking is somehow He just fell he just fell. Oh, yeah I mean he collapsed on his face. Yeah, I mean, I think he was out before he hit the ground right? I mean the way he fell look at Doug look up this video as these guys can see this the college kid collapses on court He was from it was actually in our text group. I sent it over to you guys. I forget what school it was while at the top of my head. I was like, Sarah Kuser.

I don't remember, but it was super scary, right? Oh, it was Florida. Yeah, look, he just boom. On a stomach. That's face, bro. He went just face first. That's crazy when you see a young athlete do that. Although, remember, I've heard a case is where young athletes

just suddenly die, while they're playing sport or whatever. Yeah. And I remember talking to Ista Trina, a vascular surgeon, cardiovascular surgeon, and he said that that there's a slightly higher risk of, what is it, where the heart stops, with athletes, then there are with normal young people. Just constantly pushing the rain.

Yeah, with an adjunct that, right? Yeah, but he's not dead though, right? He this guy's going to be a lot more. Well, he's in a coma right now, so he's not doing well at all, but I don't know. So this led me down a rabbit hole, right? Of this like, okay, blood thinning is a viable, potential way of preventing yourself

from having severe complications from COVID, I looked up fish oil, cod liver oil. These are all things that can, you know, thin the blood. And there are... Fish oil, does that? Fish oil, for sure. I didn't know that. Oh yeah, lowering inflammation and... I knew that.

Okay, so if that's why it lowers inflammation, because it thinns the blood? That's one way. No, not necessarily. There's a couple different actions. But let's say you're going to go... Let's say say you're gonna go get surgery. Yeah. And they ask you what supplements you're taking. And you say, oh, I take fish oil. They'll tell you stop taking fish oil a couple of weeks before.

No, shit. I did not know that. So I looked it up and I'm like, okay, well, what about fish oil? Is this because aspirin, very powerful, but what do I take every day? I don't want to take aspirin every day. So what else can I possibly do?

And right now, I believe three or four pharmaceutical trials going on with omega-3-based therapies for COVID. I'm glad a lot of these preventative methods are starting to come through and emerge, like the information for that. I just feel like that's been buried through this whole process, it's been frustrating. Who makes aspirin? Bears or who's generic now?

Is it, so anybody makes it? Who's the biggest producer of aspirin? I'm just thinking, Bear was the original. I'm thinking, Stockwise, is it bear you think? Oh, there's no stock. I heard the crazy thing too with the whole clue.

Like, I heard that, so you know those dogs that they train to sniff things at the airport and, yeah. So they've actually trained dogs to they train to sniff things at the airport and so they've actually trained dogs to be able to sniff cancer. And they've been able to identify also like, we brought this up in your sickle thing, bacteria and things like that.

And so they're actually a lot of scientists that are handled that are actually trying to get them to smell COVID. Wow. Yeah. I don't think they've had any success with it yet, but I know that that's been a thing that they've been experimenting with.

Which is interesting. You hear that, Mazi? Yeah. He's out. I think you can do it. What a weird world. If you're a dog, what a weird experience. You smell everything so powerfully, that must be weird.

Yeah, that's crazy. It's very awful. Smell your bad mood. Yeah. Sal's crazy. It's very awful. Yeah, smell your bad mood. Yeah, I don't know. Sal, you were, before we got on air, you were talking about, you just listened to a really good episode with Bishop Baron. Finish your sentence, I don't want to hear more about. So word on fire is a podcast that, where Bishop Baron, you know, he's on there, he talks,

interviews people sometimes, but usually it's just him. And it's a spiritual, religious-based podcast, but usually it's just him. And it's a spiritual religious based podcast, but the thing I like about Pitch of Baron is, he'll talk very objectively, logically, and it's very applicable, whether you're religious or not, I think there's a lot of value. Anyway, he did an episode with Ruben,

who is a gay liberal atheist, right? He's a atheist, he's a gay married to a man, and they were both on the podcast, and the title of it was Has Little Liberalism Failed. It was an excellent, excellent podcast. There's two episodes, very objective, two very, very smart guys, but one thing on there that they talked about

was the fatherless epidemic, right? So statistically speaking, among all families, and you, depending on if you're looking at different types of people that's higher or lower, but generally speaking, 33% of children in America are without a father. So that's one third of all kids, right? And so they ask them if this has an impact

and what the deal is. So Bishop Aaron brought something up very interesting. Well, let me stop you before you keep going. When you hear real stat like that, you go deep like one third of the population is ridiculous and what constitutes fatherless? Is that mean just not in the home, but he's still a, he's still around or divorced.

Like how what is fatherless? Not involved at all. Yeah. So he's not seeing him on the weekends, even or anything at all that's considered. Right. 30% don't even see that. And then what I wonder what percentage are doing that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, so that's a lot. And that sucks, right? And there's some real, I mean, we can see this clearly statistics will show that there's specific values that a male role model will bring

versus a female role model and what ends up happening. Here's an interesting one that I was, because then the discussion, let me preface this. This discussion went into the direction of worship and psychologically speaking, and this is just a fact, this is just a fact with humans, so just how we're made. Because we make decisions based off of values,

every decision you make is based off of values. So if I put on the shirt today because I liked it better than my other shirts, I eat what I eat because I like it more than everything we make is based off of value. So if I put on the shirt today because I liked it better than my other shirts, I eat what I eat because I like it more than everything we make is based off values. And so at the end of the day, there's something that's my top value. And whatever that is, what I end up worshiping.

And so they talk about that. How cute people, whether they realize it or not, we have to worship something. So Bishop Barron makes the argument that worshiping the infinite is the best thing to do. Worship a God. Because when you worship money or power or politicians or government, lots of big problems happen.

So the argument was, you know, do democracies need to have religion in order to survive? Because without religion, then people start, and the argument was, they start to worship power and government and stuff like that. But here's an interesting statistic, I don't know this. Bishop Barron said that when fathers stop going to church, that's when the family stop going to church. It's the fathers that dictate the practices

of the children going to church. Mothers not nearly as impactful in that regard. So it's like, if mom goes, but dad doesn't go, kids probably aren't gonna, are probably not gonna go. It's about interesting. Isn't that interesting? That is interesting. Very interesting statistic.

Wow. I like looking at the differences between. Was that on his regular podcast? It was. It was. Really, really good. There's two episodes. I highly recommend.

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That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Little Blue Arrow. Is there an ideal rest period between sets? I'm sure it's subjective, but are there body cues I should be listening to that can help me determine an appropriate rest? Yeah, I'm, you know, I pick this question because I think a lot of people get confused about rest periods and they don't realize just how important it is, rest periods are to the effectiveness

of a one thing. In terms of like the adaptation process. Well, it's another progressive overload tool and we know that that's one of the best ways to guarantee that you keep seeing progress. It is, and not only that, but if you rest, if you change your rest periods, you change the effect of the workout completely. I could take a straight, sat, structured routine with compound barbell lifts, do all that stuff,

and then eliminate rest periods, and it doesn't matter, it now has turned into circuit training and cardio. So rest periods are very important. If you're lifting weights, your goal probably is to speed up your metabolism, sculpt your body, get stronger. In which case, you want to rest long enough to allow your body to replenish its ATP, which is the type of energy used for strength. So in other words, you want to rest long enough

to where you can go back to your set and feel strong again. You don't want to just barely catch a breath and jump back in unless your goal is endurance. If your goal is endurance and stamina, then you can do that. In which case I would say don't let way, it's go do sprints or cardio to do that.

Well, it's very similar to sets and reps, right? Where there's, I think there's two ends of the spectrum. So if we look at rest periods, I would say 30 second rest is on the low end of the spectrum, three minute rest is on the high end of the spectrum, anything below that or above that, and you start to lose some of the benefits of the systems training.

So first of all, those are the parameters that I would stay within. I would, and the further you are on the spectrum, the least amount of time I would spend training that way. In other words, I wouldn't always train a 30-second rest period because then you're going to get more adaptation towards the endurance side like Sal saying, I don't want to rest more than three minutes all the time because then I'm getting less benefits from the resistance training.

So I want to manipulate my rest periods within that kind of window, and the same rules apply to that we talk about with reps, is if you've been training in the 15 rep range for weeks on weeks or months on months, one of the best things you could do is move out of that rep range to send a new signal to the body to adapt and change

because it's different. The same thing goes for rest periods. If you've been hanging around the one minute rest periods and you're consistent with that and you've been doing that for weeks on weeks, one of the best things you can do is move to three minutes. And if you're like, you lift like kind of like a strength

athlete, power athlete, then you are probably already resting a long time, three minutes or more maybe. Then one of the best things you could do is move down to the 30 second to one minute and you're gonna see results from that. Yeah, it's interesting because I spent some time in this gym. There was this guy that was a gymnast who was always doing ring work. And because it's so physically demanding, your entire body is just on fire the whole time.

Everything's 10 step. It requires so much exertion that his rest periods were really long in between and I had asked him about that, but to be able to even perform a lot of these movements and things with that type of demand and intensity, he had just string out his rest periods at like a really, an excessive amount of time more than the normal, which I mean, it made sense,

but it's all very specific to how you're training. He was training technique, he was training against technique perfect and fatigue screws that up. I'll tell you where people mess up the most with rest is when they train for power. When I see people do jump boxes or plyometric throws or whatever in gyms, they totally screw up the rest. They treat it like cardio, so it's like,

one to another to another get tires possible. You're not getting any power benefit out of that. Well, you could just do that. I mean, you could just jump in place. Exactly, yeah, and like save yourself all the need gouging. Exactly, so if you're going to train for power, long rest periods, you know,

you're resting until you feel like you're fresh, and then you do it again, and that's how you improve your explosive ability. One of the best advice regarding this is actually just telling somebody to start tracking, right? Like, a lot of very few people I know time their rest periods. Most people go by feel. They do a set, and then they go, okay, I feel like I'm ready for the next one.

And one of the coolest things that you can do to change up your routine without even messing with any exercises, sets, or anything is literally just track the time and see what you consistently rest for and then manipulate that. So, and, yeah, because depending on the person, they're gonna rest somewhere, like I said, somewhere between that 30 second and three minute mark.

And I normally like to go the opposite end of whatever spectrum, or whatever side of the spectrum I lean on. So if I'm a long raster, and I'm resting at least a minute and a half to three minutes, then I like cutting that way down to 30 seconds to a minute to shock my body the most. And if I'm somebody who's on the other side where I love to do circuit training, I get bored resting in between sets, I feel like I can always do more.

If I'm always leaning towards that, I'm going to push that person towards the three minute more. Next question is from Brookie the Ginger. Do you recommend starter or anywhere for after pregnancy if I was doing anabolic and teaching cycling classes before? No way do I have home equipment for anabolic. Okay. So this is a great question because I think especially if you're fit going into pregnancy and you exercise during pregnancy and then afterwards there's a six week.

Usually it's around six weeks. Some women wait as long as eight weeks or nine weeks before they start exercising. They totally really underestimate just how decondition your body gets when you take that break. I mean, I'm doing this with Jessica right now. So she literally had her first workout yesterday after she had the baby. And now she also had a C-section so that adds another element. But her core stability is gone. There's no connection and she was tripping over this. She's like, I can't activate these muscles anymore.

That's the biggest hurdle initially. Totally, and I told her I said, it's gonna come back because of muscle memory, but let's take it very slow. So that's number one. Number one is don't underestimate just how deconditioned you are after having that break, especially if you have something like a C-section,

go very, very slow, start slow, and then if you were in shape before, your body will start to progress relatively rapidly, but start safer than you think is my recommendation. As far as programs are concerned, Maps Starter is ideal. It's a perfect program for post-natal, perfect. We've been getting a lot of questions around this.

Do you know, and I know you are heading this up as far as content-wise, do you know where we're at with the post-partum pillar page? I believe it should be. I've seen it done. Yeah, I think it should be up soon. I know it's complete if it's not already up. Yeah, I think it should be up soon. I know it's complete if it's not already over.

Yeah, Katrina was showing me the actual page. It looks phenomenal. So I've been telling people this that have been DMing me that we're in regards to this, they've been asking, oh, you guys got to come out with something or create a program or, you know, they want more information. Like we just like the macro calculator and the skinny guy, pillar page,

we've built this massive pillar page which is just loaded full of, I don't know how many, I don't know if you know how many blogs and videos. I think it was like 12 or 15 or something. Yeah, no, it's too, yeah. It's more than that. There's a ton, I think it's more like 50

that's attached to that pillar page and there's videos. And so a ton of free information regarding all of this is coming really soon for you guys. Yeah, totally. Now with Map Starter, for those of you that don't have that, the reason why it's so valuable for post,. Yeah, totally. Now with Map Starter, for those of you that don't have that, the reason why it's so valuable for post-pregnancy or post-natal, it uses a lot of the stability ball.

And the stability ball is so valuable when you've lost connection to your core. You've lost balance and stability. You don't even realize it. I would recommend doing a lot of exercises on that, going very light, focusing on full range of motion. But the Physioball forces you to try to activate, to stay tall and to stabilize.

If you don't do that and you jump into weights, injury is there. It's right around the corner, so be very careful. Next question is from Anita Rosales 90. What exercise would you recommend to alleviate knee pain? We gotta figure out what the knee pain is for you. Well, so... I'm gonna trace that back.

Yeah, now, generally speaking, in your guys' experience, would someone has chronic knee pain? IT, related, or what? Yeah, it's coming from the hips or the ankles or the feet. Nine at a ten times, the knee is moving in a way that is not ideal and it has been for a long time because your ankles, your feet, or your hips are not doing what they're supposed to. Because if you look at the knee,

it really, it flexes and extends. It bends and it doesn't rotate, it doesn't bend laterally. It just flexes and extends. But your ankle can move in all kinds of different directions, your foot moves in a lot of different directions and your hips move in a lot of different directions. And if they lack strength and stability, the knee is what takes that pressure.

And so in my experience, when I've had clients with chronic knee pain, when I fix their hips and their ankles, I mean, it's like 70% of the time I can get rid of almost all the knee pain from doing that. I was like, so I, this is what really introduced me to foam roll. I used to foam roll like crazy,

because of my knee pain and my hip and I'd get it a lot from playing, like I played basketball and I'd have just excruciating knee and hip pain and the foam rolling would relieve that. So it felt amazing to foam roll. It would give me relief. Then I got smart about it and said,

okay, I need to do this before I play ball and so that would loosen it up but then it would just keep happening. So I wasn't fixing the root cause. I was just kind of putting a bandaid over. At least the foam rolling was at least alleviating it, letting me do that. And I just assumed that I had something to do with my hip.

You know, I figured hip, it wasn't until I met brink, did I realize that it actually stemmed away from my foot? So because my foot was excessively pronating on the left side, more than my right side, when that does that, so when the foot collapses inward, that also internally rotates the femur, so it winds that IT band, so the IT band is extremely tight, and then it's pulling on the hip, and then it's pulling on the patellar, the knee, right?

So that would cause that. And so even though I'd foam roll, it would kind of make it relax and loosen it up, I'd feel good. It's just like over a week. It's just like Mm-hmm. As soon as I go for it really exactly So I go play ball and I'm moving around my foot still pronating collapse And I don't see that because I'm playing you're not paying attention to it But because I'm pushing off like that all day long It's just tightening up on that IT and then I would just keep I was in the loop

It wasn't until and I don't have this at all anymore, right? So this is a lot of this was related to the low back pain I talk about the hip pain I had all of this was all stemming from the foot. As soon as I... You gone. You fixed it all. I haven't had to foam roll my IT in years now, and it was all because of the foot. It was stemming from that, and it was causing the knee and the hip pain.

Once I addressed my foot strength, my ankle mobility, that completely changed. Next question is from Lijia Liu. In a recent podcast, Adam mentioned getting burnt out as a trainer in part due to the generally low success rate and helping clients reach their goals. So how do you measure your success as a trainer then? What metrics do you use to know you're doing a good job? Boy, this changed a lot through the years initially. I thought success meant Getting my clients with their goals. Oh, you want to lose 20 pounds?

We got you to lose 20 pounds. I succeeded. I also thought it was Related to how many clients hired me. I got all these clients hiring me and I'm getting people to their goals I'm a very successful trainer. It wasn't till later When I you know just after years of doing this, maybe five years later, I look back and I'm like, man, yeah, I got people to lose 20 pounds. How many people kept it off? You know, how many people developed a lifelong relationship

with exercise and nutrition? And it was almost none. It's like, if they didn't hire me and they weren't working with me, they didn't work out. They had to be with me all the time. I thought this can't be right. Like, you shouldn't have to work with a trainer for the rest of your life.

There's nothing wrong with doing that. That was part of the business model. Yep, I mean, unfortunately you want your clients to continually come back to see you. And so this is actually kind of a tough one to relieve yourself and realize that you're trying to prepare them to be able to do this themselves and let them continue on the journey and learn everything they can.

But it took me a while to shift into that because it was such a part of the business model I was running. It was like, you're coming in this many times and I'm going to handle everything to where I'm just going to, I started to shift it over and start teaching them all of the techniques and all of the why behind what we were doing and how they could apply this best within their lifestyle. It's really just keying into their lifestyle

and seeing how they can just tweak and turn certain things to be able to keep them going long term. The truth for me is I attached my success as a trainer to money, to how much money I was making, how much my schedule was booked, and the company I worked for the time trained me that way. I got, I didn't get rewarded for changing some clients' life or losing them 30 pounds. How many sessions do you have?

Yeah. If I sold a lot of training sessions and my schedule was booked and I was doing more hours than anybody else, I was the best. So that's how I was trained early on was that if I was loaded, my schedule was booked and I was doing more hours than anybody else, I was the best. So that's how I was trained early on was that if I was loaded, my schedule was loaded and I couldn't fit any clients in, I must be kicking ass. But the reality of that was, and that's why I shared that in that episode, I remember looking at all these glass

trophies that said I was so great. And then I started going back through my client folders and going, well, I wonder where that person is. I haven't seen them again, I haven't seen them again. I haven't seen this person. I haven't seen that person. And these people that I was supposedly helping, even though I might have helped them why they were paying me when they left,

I never saw them again. They weren't training in the gym. They weren't in great shape. Sure, I had some, but it was a very small percentage considering how many people that I was working with. So it wasn't until later in my career. And it's hard because if you're making money and you're booking your schedule all the time,

then you feel like, oh, I must be doing a really good job and I'm happy and I need to make a livelihood so everything's all good. And I really thought that was the model was, if I did such a good job while they were with me, they would almost be afraid to do it on their own so that would keep them coming back or keep them longer in my books. And so that was success. And I was afraid to really make that switch to not worrying about that and really worrying on helping them and changing their lives. What I found though was when I stopped caring so much

about the money aspect and filling my book and really like diving into how can I be a better trainer and get my clients to learn these behaviors and actually go off on their own and teach others or continue doing it themselves. Once I made that switch, it actually became even easier to keep my schedule filled. Isn't that funny? Yeah, because early it was a hustle, right?

It was like, I was always selling. I was always going after people and trying to get people in my schedule And I was good at it at convincing people to train with me and they enjoyed it while they were with me But it was a constant hustle Once I shift my focus on really trying to change behaviors in these people's lives Give them the tools to go on without me and I and that became my desired outcome Like initially initially it was never my desired outcome. My desired outcome when I got a client was convinced

this person, they never wanna leave me. Convince this person that I am as valuable as their car payment, their PG&E bill and all these other things that they pay for in their life. Now you have the atom bill and I'm worth it, right? So that was like the desired outcome. My desired outcome later on began, how much can I help this person in the shortest amount of time

to give them the tools to go on for the rest of their life without ever needing me when I shift that focus that way, then the referral base of people that I would start to get, I wouldn't have to solicit anymore, I didn't have to go get, people would be constantly talking about it. Oh, what you realize is there's a whole lot to cover.

You know, like it takes a long time. It takes a long time. And so to try and think that, oh, I need to keep their attention. I need to keep them coming back and them paying me. It's like, if you just turn and shift your mind to, I'm gonna really try and teach them this one thing, you know, in this session and then just kind of build upon that. It's just, it almost seems endless, the amount of information

and techniques and things that you could pass on to this person. The irony is doing it that way, you're far more successful, just like you said Adam. I get way more value out of it. Way more value, it does take, you're more of a guide than a, like a drillkin myself as an oracle.

Yeah, well you're doing these, you're guiding them to be able to figure these things out and do them on their own. And it does take a lot of time. And this is what it ended up looking like in my business. It ended up looking like this. When I started to figure this out and I really started to get good,

a client would hire me and initially they'd meet with me two or three days a week. And then I'd train them for a while and then I'd meet with them two days a week. And then I'd train them for a while then they'd meet with me once a week. And eventually I'd train them for a while, then they'd meet with me once a week. And eventually, I'd get a client to work with me once a month. And then my schedule filled up with people

who would see me once a week, once every the week, or once a month, and I had all these clients that did that. And then they would come in or do stuff on their own in between. And it was literally just to come see me at the beginning of the month. What have you been doing? Let me change your routine.

You have some pain. Let me show you some correctional exercise. And then I had this base of clients that was definitely permanent. And the referrals were insane from doing it this way. And it sounds counter because you think, oh, if I teach them to do on their own, they're gonna leave me and I'm not gonna have any clients.

It doesn't work that way. Do a phenomenal job and you'll build your business even more. And now this, I mean, when I look back, now at the last batch of clients that I trained, every single one of them is still doing what they deal with me. Every single one of them is consistent, and that's what I really truly consider, consider success now.

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