Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1491: When to Add Weight to Your Lifts, How Many Pull-Ups You Should Be Able to Do, the Truth About Chiropractic Adjustments & More

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about adding weight to your routine, the number of pull-ups or chin-ups that are a good marker of strength, chiropractic for adjusting back issues and why pop culture is so anti-red meat. #NationalWomensDay Giveaway! (3:53) Has Sal been permanently shadow banned on Instagram? (6:17) Mind Pump Recommends, Fake Famous on HBO. Is social media a bubble? (7:40) At what point will CGI get so good and so cheap, companies will make fake people to promote their products? (22:45) The hustle surrounding before and after photos. (24:50) The heartbreaking story of ‘Gorilla Glue Girl’. (26:50) Why Butcher Box has the best grass-fed meat. (33:33) Is Sal jinxed when it comes to technology? (38:15) How Oli Pop is a gut health supplement. (40:13) #Quah question #1 – How often should you be adding weight to your routine? (44:09) #Quah question #2 – Is there a certain number of pull-ups or chin-ups you consider to be a good marker of strength? (49:35) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on using a chiropractor for adjusting back issues? (54:20) #Quah question #4 – Why is pop culture so anti-red meat? (58:02) Related Links/Products Mentioned February Promotion: Phase II Bundle Fake Famous - Watch the HBO Original Documentary | HBO In the Dark | Netflix How Far is Too Far? | The Age of A.I. The undeniable hold of 'Gorilla Glue Girl' and what it says about the empathy of the internet Proposition 65 | OEHHA Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit Oli Pop for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for 15% off your first order** Mind Pump #1282: The #1 Key To Consistently Building Muscle & Strength (Avoid Plateaus!) Importance Of Progressive Overload For Muscle Growth – Mind Pump TV Are You Strong? | T Nation US Army drops grenade throwing as a requirement to graduate because new recruits can't throw far enough (but do they mean women?) Seven Countries Study - Wikipedia Mind Pump #1475: Eating Meat Is Good For The Climate With Robb Wolf The Game Changers Official Film Website | Documentary What the Health Vegetarian is the New Prius | HuffPost Life Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Chris Duffin (@mad_scientist_duffin)  Instagram Robert Oberst (@robertoberst)  Instagram David Goggins (@davidgoggins)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf)  Instagram Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell)  Instagram Chris Kresser M.S., L.Ac. (@chriskresser)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You are listening to the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Now, in today's episode, we answered questions that were asked by our audience. We actually answered four. But the way we opened the episodes with an intro portion.

So when we talk about current events, we bring up studies, we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro portion was 38 minutes long. After that, we got into the fitness questions. I'm gonna give you a rundown of the whole episode. Okay, so we opened up by talking about my permaband on Instagram. They still banned me.

Yeah. When's it gonna be over? You're MIA, dude. Then we talked about a documentary called Fake Famous. Wow, was that eye-opening? Go check that out. It's on HBO. Then we talked about fake before and after fitness photos. We talked about the girl who put gorilla glue in her hair so that it wouldn't move forever. Turns out it's a bad idea. Then we talked about comparing grass-fed meats from butcher box to the stuff you find at the grocery store. Butcher box makes the best, or has the best grass fed meats you can get anywhere and

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Go to drinkolipop.com. That's drink olipop.com forward slash Mind Pump. Use the code mind pump get 15% off your first order. Had to do that. Then we answered the fitness questions. The first one, this person says how often should you be adding weight to your routine. The next question, this person wants to know if what's the number of pull ups a man and woman should do that would be considered them to be strong. The third question, this person wants to know what we think about chiropractors that adjust back issues, like what's our opinion. And then the final question, this person wants to know why pop culture is so anti-red meat.

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I think it's Justin, ever since he started getting all bulky and big, dude. Oh, man, yes. If anything, he weighs the same, dude. Yeah, I'm 227 on the dot. Yeah point six on the dot Doug, is that mean everything's go everything is system go here. We are go. I want to talk about the National Woman's Day competition. We're doing hmm. You guys see that we're doing that? Yeah, March 1st is National Woman's Day. So we're gonna do a cool little. Is that me? We got to buy you something. It's real funny guys. Let's get jokes today.

Sorry. Yeah, yeah. This is for all the women out there. We're doing a dead like a dead lift thing, right? So I don't remember what sparked this. I was talking to Chokey the other day and she reposted some of the videos. Like a lot of times on the story, she'll repost people that put their videos up and tag Mind Pump and she was reposting

a couple of like dead lifting videos and some of these girls are like really strong. I know and that gave me this idea. I'm like, you know what? National Womens days coming up soon. We always talk about deadlifting and squatting more especially deadlifting because I think a lot of people don't deadlift Let's do something tied to that. Let's do a hashtag and everybody that posts it in their story will enter in a chance to win some giveaway So when this is live right now, you should be able to go over to the Instagram page. My pump media page.

Yes, the My Pump Instagram page, and look at the details on what you can win and what to do. Mm. What would you say? I'd say deadlifts and squats are probably sexiest exercises. Yeah. And you never see it in those magazines.

You know, like, shape magazine and all these things. They're always like, yeah, with these little tiny weights. Oh, no. I saw you see a woman and I don't mean it in a pervert way. I mean, if you see a woman's squat or deadlift properly and they're strong, it's just the, you just appreciate it so much. Yeah. Wow. It's a thing of beauty. We talked about this on the show before. I think it's, I think it's a trainer thing. I think it's like for us. Movement is sexy. Yeah. So I think when you, when you spend most of your career. She's doing curls. Critiquing form and trying to help people get great form.

And it's rare to see really good form. Yes, exactly. So when you see it, it's a very attractive quality. Dude, speaking of Instagram, I am permanently shadow band, I think. I saw that. I know people send me pictures, they try to look me up, right, they try to type in mind pump,

add on or mind pump, just in our mind pumps out. My name will not come up. You have to type it in, in fact. What are your other options? You deserve it. Yeah, I think you on those stupid memes. You know Instagram. It was so, so dumb.

Permanently banned, so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. You know what, everybody should follow me, mind pumps out, showed Instagram It's so ridiculous. You know what, everybody should follow me, my own self, showed Instagram what time it is. You know what I mean? That works for you. Just give him the finger. Yeah.

It's crazy. Give me the lights. It's been months. Stop offending people, you know what I do. I didn't even do it, you know what you know what it was? It was literally, it was a picture of 50 cent, not the money, but the rapper, and he had Donald Trump's hair. And I got a notification that it's a doctored photo.

And then that was it after that. I got anything Donald Trump related. You're dead. Ridiculous. I got a notification for posting Tom McDonnell that it had something related with COVID. Oh, it said COVID, yeah, I got a COVID warning for that. I'm like, what the hell?

We're on, we're on, they're looking at us. It's all your phone. It's not even paying attention to Justin and Yikes. No, nobody pays attention to you guys. If you hang out with me, man. Social media watches, my views have been going through the roof. Yeah, yeah. I know.

It sucks. But whatever, it's the way it is. And it brings me to something I did watch fake fame. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Can I talk about it? Did you watch it Justin? I didn't. All right Oh, thank you. Thank you. Talk about it. Did you watch it Justin? I didn't. All right. I will listen to this. He was that kid who never used to do his homework. You know that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My doggy by doggy by homework. You're watching other things. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like in in the dark. I think is the name

of it's on Netflix. It was about think is the name of it's on Netflix. It was about this like blind girl. She's really funny. It's actually a really good show, but again, this is like totally not in my normal go-to type of a show, but we're looking into it. Is it about her life and how she lives? Yeah, and she's like, she's really sarcastic and like, you know, wants everybody to treat her normal and everything.

And so she's just like, you know, like, anyway normal and everything, and so she's just like, you know, like, anyway, she's like an alcoholic and has all these issues and stuff, but like, it's really funny, like in a satirical kind of. Is it on Netflix? Yeah. Okay, I'll check it out. All right, back to fake famous. And so fake famous is crazy because I didn't realize,

I knew people would go and buy followers. But I did not realize just how advanced the fake follower business is. I had no idea. I used to think that I could tell if someone had fake followers, because I'd see their followers, then I'd look at their comments and their likes,

they didn't match, oh, it's a whole bunch of followers. So I think originally, I think originally that was true. So originally that's how it started, but I think, it's an O. I'm the first person to come. I'm the first person to come. I'm the first person to come. Did we not call that?

You know what? Hold on a second. It's too, I tell the audience, you're talking shit before we got started. I was. So we changed our mics so that, you know, you can see our faces more on camera and I'm like, there's no way you guys are going to touch your mic. With the problem with these mics, if you touch them, you can kind of hear it. So Doug's like, don't touch your mics.

And I can't, my legs are huge, bro. Every time I cross my legs, I hate everything. It's the legs. I cross my legs. Anyways, anyways, back to fake famous. So the algorithm originally was, that you would do that, right? You would buy these followers,

but Instagram changed their algorithm to pick that stuff up so they can tell. So of course, somebody's came up with businesses to- I didn't realize it was, it's literally like a billion dollar business, to fake out Instagram. So in other words, you buy followers, you also buy likes, you buy comments,

they trickle in the followers, the likes in the comments so that it looks real. But here's the crazy part that blew me away. First of all, they estimate that some of the biggest followings on Instagram, people like Kim Kardashian, for example, up to 50 to 60% of her followers are probably fake. Okay. Cristiano Ronaldo, right? It's got 500 million followers on Instagram, right? Probably two to 300 million are not real. Now you ask yourself, why aren't they policing this? Here's the part that blew me away because it's in everybody's best interest to turn a blind eye, right? The influencers, they like to fake followers because it gives them the appearance of being more famous and more

popular than they are, especially people who have like 100,000 followers, 300,000 followers, those kind of, you know, what they call like, you know, micro influencers, they have, for them, it's good because it looks like the more popular than they are, and they can attract more attention and get more free stuff from sponsors or whatever. Instagram, they turn a blind eye to the fake followers

because it looks like they have more users. And so it reminds me of steroids in professional sports. We're like, oh, we're going to test the athletic analogy, but really they're like, and we're going to let them use it. And trouble with that potentially with their shareholders, you know, in terms of when they report numbers, you know, for instance, but like they, it's totally off, you know, in terms of their user base. That's interesting theory.

It's, but how could you possibly, how would you even know? Because it's so, the bots are so good. Well, yeah. Like they were showing it on there. And this is all bots because before that, it was like factories of people that were like literally, they signing up like continuously. Bro, they, these bots leave comments. Yeah.

They'll leave a bunch of comments. Did you see how they create them too? They take All these real people and they take pieces from it. Yeah, so Susie from here Then they use this person's last name and this person's adra so they take and you can pick fault You can literally tell it's a billion dollar so having fake followers fake comments fake likes is a billion dollar industry By itself. Yeah, and then you can literally tell them, I need, I want 50% of the 50,000 followers I'm buying to be conservative or liberal or female

or male or between these ages. You can literally mold and shape. It's just all a big facade. It's a big facade. And so what they did in this documentary is they took three regular people and then they used the strategy to see what would happen. Well, one girl in particular ended up getting tons and tons of followers, fake followers,

and then got real followers. But then she got a bunch of free shit because she looked like she was whatever. But it's so easy to gain the whole system. So this is where my thought process is going with this. I'm seeing all this, and I see Instagram, for example, or other social media platforms. It's in their best interest to turn a blind eye. Influencers are doing this, and they're gaming the system.

Nobody's really catching on. This is a bubble. Social media is a bubble. So now do they have a specific number where it sort of like tips the scale and like momenta, like the hockey stick sort of effect? If you get like 100 or 200,000 or is it like a million where everything really starts to snowball?

You mean in terms of getting attention? So they didn't talk about that, but it is interesting, right? Because if you have 100,000 followers that appear to be real and you get a certain amount of comments at a particular time on a post, it's more likely to go on the explore page, you're gonna get more attention.

And then of course you appear to be legitimate. And so you can make money. I don't think it's a bubble though. I mean, it's a bubble too can make money. I don't think it's a bubble though. Oh, it's a bubble. No, I don't think it's a bubble. You think everything's a bubble. I think that it's a second. It's a bubble.

It's a bubble. Everything's a bubble. No, I don't think it's a bubble. I think that I think your analogy actually, I do really like your analogy with sports and like baseball with steroids. You think steroids aren't still happening in baseball? Of course they are.

You know, even after the big- It's their best interest to live in. Exactly, because more people watch. So if anything, your point of that it's in the best interest of Instagram, because everybody's in on it, they'll find ways to just kind of brush it on the rug, slap a few people on the, like bust a few people, just like they do with steroids.

It's like, it's like pay to play. Yeah, we're not gonna pick the biggest people. We're not gonna like shame Ronaldo. He's too famous, he's got too much going for him that would hurt all of us. We'll find some, we'll find this kid out in Indiana who's got 200,000 followers and we'll make an example out of it. Well, here they do in baseball.

Here's why I think it's a bubble. First of all, I don't think it means that social media will disappear. When I use the term bubble, what I mean is that the signals are inaccurate. And so at some point, you'll see some kind of a correction. So what are the inaccurate signals? Well, Instagram may say that they have an average, they have a billion users. That's inflated. That's not real. Followers may say that they have so many hundreds of thousands or millions of followers that's inflated. Anders may say that they have so many hundreds of thousands or millions of followers that's

inflated. And eventually companies that are spending money trying to get a return are going to start to see this is not valuable. Very few of these people are valuable enough to invest in on social media. I don't know. Back to your analogy with the sports again. The KRBI's, home runs, hits, all inflated. All a bubble, all still. Yeah, they're really hitting them.

So, I mean, they're not fake hits. Yeah, but it's inflating because of steroids, it's inflated. Yeah, but that's a little bit different. It's a little bit different because it's really happening. You're really watching the game with social, and here's the other, here's my other, I mean, for, okay, so,

and the documentary covered this right so yeah Yeah, some of it's fake, but there's still a lot of real that girl had a hundred thousand followers She has she has five times at least the real followers that she had when she first started it so you're still getting And so brands are still gonna get I think it just changes like that's why like it's such a game It's why anybody could go on there and make that should happen for themselves. It's it's really crazy to see but here's my other argument to why it's a bubble. Every study that's coming out in social media it's becoming mainstream now you starting to see more and more of this shows that it's negative negative negative you know Arthur Brooks

brought this up on when I interviewed him recently where he said anything over 30 minutes of social media use contributes to more loneliness, more anxiety, more depression. There's studies that show this with kids, with adults, with couples, with everybody. So I think at some point, it's gonna, we're getting to the point where it's gonna, and I know, by the way, three, four years ago,

I knew nobody that did this. I don't know anybody that said, I'll screw it. I'm canceling all my social media platforms. I can't do anymore. Do you know what I mean? People I know that have done that in the last year or two? Tons. So I feel like what we see this explosion of social media,

I feel like it's gonna be a correction. I don't think it's gonna go away, but I think it's not gonna be what we think it's gonna be. I think it's like, people are gonna start to come off. I don't know, dude. I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, Doug, you could probably look up Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, trend of gaining users over the last five years.

Fake users. I mean, it's fake, all fake users. You know what though? Because in the documentary, one of the guys running it, he said, you know, there's companies that can analyze people's followers and tell you how many are fake or real. So he did it to one of the people that he knew,

like for sure, because he did it himself, had, you know, let's say, 50,000 fake followers. So he said, let's see how accurate this is. He went to this company, paid them. They came back and they're like, oh, only, you know, only 500 followers are fake, the rest are real. And he goes, that whole business is a scam too. Companies will go to these companies and say, hey, we want to work with this influencer.

Can you let us know if their followers are real? They can't. It's too fuck up. I mean, it's even in our space with podcasting. I mean, there's rumors that so many of these podcasters inflate their numbers. I have to deal with this all the time when we talk to partners and sponsorships. That's why the CPMs are so low. They want to pay such a low dollar amount

when we first initially meet somebody and I'm like, you're crazy. I know what our business converts. I'm not going to give you that. Well, so I don't give a shit if that's what you do with this podcast, this podcast, and that podcast. We've been doing this long enough that I know what we should generate.

So here's my question to you because you obviously are on the front line with that with us, right? You manage that. You talk to the sponsors all the time. Do you think the days of paying a podcast or paying an influencer based off followers are going to be over soon?

And it's going to be all based off of conversion? Because that's really the only way to know, right? Yeah, yeah, no. It's, they use that as an initial way to get started. So there's this $20 CPM is like a generic number, which is $20 for every thousand people that listen to your podcast. Right. Is this generic formula that most partners have been told you get online. Yeah, you can get online and Google like what that is. And it'll, it'll, and I don't know who created it or who started it. But that is a starting place for most businesses that want to advertise in the

podcasting space we'll go with. And so they'll come to us and they'll be like, okay, so you guys have this many downloads, so that means we're going to pay you this much money. And I go, no, it's not how it works. This is how much we charge. And they go like, well, that's crazy. We pay this.

So I can't speak to these other podcasts and what they do when they convert. What I can show you is all the partners we do work with, what we convert at and what to expect when you work with us, but I'm not gonna play by this number that somebody just made up at a thin air because that's what the average of everybody else does. But it's cute because of that because I'm sure there's a lot of fake, I'm sure there's a lot of people, here's nothing too.

We use the analytics from like Lipson, for example, like iTunes only gives you so much information and data. And most partners, there's not a way for them to fact check our stuff. We can just say whatever you want. You know, so you could say like, oh yeah, we get 10 million downloads per off episode. And they'll be like, okay, cool. So then this is what we should start you at. Now the thing is, most partners will not sign a,

like we have all long-term contracts because we've worked with most of these people already. So once they see the, that's what I mean. I feel like it's gonna be like that. Like followers aren't gonna mean shit. It's already happening. It's already happening. At least in our space, it's already happening

where partners will be like, okay, well we wanna do a trial. You know, let's do a three commercial, four commercial trial. We'll pay whatever rate you're saying, it's worth, and then we'll continue. Wasn't there some competitive apps that were coming out for podcasting that we're trying to provide better metrics and things like that, and paid behind-wall options? Like chartable and stuff like that, you mean? Yeah, I think that's one of them.

So chartable is a pretty good resource to kind of see where things are training, but then again, it's still... It's really you it's tough. Yeah, iTunes is It's because it's in everybody's best interest to keep it a mystery. I think it's so obnoxious You know, it's like can we just like can we just go like apples with apples here that whole the whole world of social media And now we knew it was fake people put their best forward. They doctor their images or whatever But it's so much more fake than that. It's like, the fake is shit you could ever imagine. The truth is though, even if we knew what was real,

it's still, there'd still be a major variance, okay? So let's take two, you know, instant famous people that both have exactly a million followers and let's take real. Let's put in the have exactly real. There could be a huge discrepancy in how one converts versus the other Yeah, which one has more influence? So that's why it's going to be so hard to pin this down is because it's like, okay

I can work with this one influencer that has a million followers. They that we convert X amount from them This other one has a million followers. They only convert this and so regardless if one is saying they have 1.5 million followers Or 1.7 it doesn't really matter. Didn't they say, I can't remember the number, but they said something silly like, there's over, it was a big number. Like there's 100 million people on Instagram that have a million followers or something's insane like that.

Yeah, yeah. Like 100 million people on Instagram with a million followers. But like, are that many people really that famous? And you think about it and you're like, no way. And again, now speaking from a consumer standpoint, forget the sponsors and all that stuff, you're a kid or whatever and you go on social media,

you are watching the most fake shit ever, ever. It's literally a sitcom, 100%. They were showing you this documentary. Like, it's also big business in LA to have stages where people show up to pay. That blew my mind. That blew my mind. That blew my mind. It's actually a smart business, if you think about it.

Well, no, absolutely. It's a very smart business, but that there is like little warehouses that are these staged, like looking like you're at a fancy restaurant, looking like you're in a private jet. Like, I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, did you see the one where they took like a toilet seat?

And they had her stand. They had the girl stand next to a picture. I wanted to try this. She's like flying over an island and she, and it gets a close up and they had her stand. They had the girl stand next to a picture. I wanted to try this. She's like flying over an island and she gets to close up and it looks like she's sitting next to the airplane. Yeah, he's holding a toilet seat cover. Yeah, and then the picture when you pan out, it looks like she's really flying or so on and it's a window.

And it's all it's all total complete bullshit. It's disgusting. As I'm watching a big ass lie, a big lie. Well, you have that and then you add in the, I forget the name of the app that I brought up like a year ago or whatever that's, I forgot how many users it has, but it had hundreds of millions I believe

and how many people were using it, which changes your face, your eye, your skin, like face-tune or whatever. Yeah, it was something like that. At what point do you think CGI is gonna get so good and so cheap that companies are going to make fake people to promote their ship. Well, remember that episode, I was like really geeking out into that AI show that was on YouTube TV.

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and so you had Will, I am, right, from the Black Eyed Peas, who basically created an avatar, digital avatar of himself, to then represent his Instagram and all this stuff. So he would actually respond to people and do all that stuff. Like, you know, and it was all programmed. And so this is something that they're working on already. Well, here's what I think is gonna happen.

This is what I told Katrina. Okay, after watching that fake famous, you go find an LA struggling actor who's like living paycheck to paycheck to their, they want to make it so bad, but they have acting skills, decent looking. You go higher them for $20,000,000, which is probably a lot of money to them at the point where they're at in their career.

And you do exactly what they've done, but I'm Coca-Cola or I'm Mind Pump. And I go find this person, I invest $20,000,000, and they I am gonna build their fake following literally just to promote my business. Sure. What a smart investment for some of these companies. I mean, that girl who got up to 100,000 followers, regardless of some of the percentage

were fake, there was still a lot of people that were influenced by what she was telling you. He's just a, you just brought up. Lil McQuayla. This is a, a, I, uh, Instagrammer with over three million followers. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, God. When it gets to the point where you can't tell,

like this is gonna get weird. Oh, this is gonna get really weird. That's why I feel like it's a bubble. You know what, it's almost like it's gonna go, it's gonna make beef full circle. At what point do you think people are gonna be like, I only wanna meet people in person. You know, it's so crazy.

It's like you feel like we're getting so much transparency because of access to information and everything. But now we're just seeing all the same old tricks coming back. Like, just better. I looked, yeah, I was looking at this one site because I was looking for actors and talent and things like that. And there's like casting calls literally to come in and take pictures of before and after, you know,

for this fitness company. Oh yeah. And I'm like, you motherfuckers. Oh, we've known that's been going on forever. Yo, I want to know is how much of a loser do you have to be to follow an AI fucking Instagram account? Well, I mean, there's three million losers there. That's what I mean.

You know that are three million AI accounts, I mean, I can't. Yeah, exactly. I can't. Yeah, AI's become self-aware and just follow itself. Yeah, I'm saying. You know, we have to be real people. We actually haven't talked about this in a long time,

but here's what they do with before and afters in fitness, well, it used to be in magazines, but now on Facebook ads, yeah, this is legit now. I know people have done this. Here's what they do. I've been asked to do this with people. They will take someone, like, let's Adam used to be a pro IFBB competitor, right?

It was a physique competitor. They find Adam after his competition. So he shredded and whatever. It's how he looks amazing. He only looks like this once a year. They'll take a picture of him. They'll take a picture of him. And that will be the after picture.

And then they'll tell Adam, we'll pay you $10,000 to gain 20 pounds of body fat and they'll make that the before picture. And then they show, they flip him. A lot of times they just, yeah, they just get you, you know, like filled up, so you're retaining water and everything else and it's like almost day of, you can get a hustle, they just,

they just switch to before and after. They used to hang out the shows all the time. They hang out the shows and if you, and they go after the top five people, you land in the top five and you have the look that they're looking for, then they approach you after the show and say, hey, here's just like Sal saying, what, $10,000, tell people that you took our supplement

or what are like that. You're gonna go off season anyway. Yeah, you're gonna get bulk up over the next couple weeks anyways, so call us in six weeks when you're fluffy. That'll be your before, crazy. Uh huh. Yeah, time is relative anyway, right? So it could be a before and after.

Yeah. Rit. The old tricks, there could be a before and after. Yeah. Yeah. It's relative. The old tricks. There's just more effective at it. Yeah. You know, these days. Anyway, did you guys, did speaking of crazy stuff, did you guys see that girl who put gorilla glue in her hair?

What? Okay. Doug, can you look up? Why would you ever do that? It's the same generation that eats tight. It's actually, it's actually funny but also heartbreaking. So, you know, I didn't destroy her hair. Look up girl who put girl of glue in her hair.

So, this woman, what she did, is she usually, okay, do you guys know that? It's like this really, really tacky. Aquinette. No, it's not Aquinette. It's like, almost like a, it's called glue. And you could put in your hair and make your hair really, you know what I'm talking about?

So she would spray that in her hair. And know she would slick it on her scalp so that it was like real tight or whatever. And apparently she ran out there she is right there. So I don't know if you could pull up her picture. So she ran out of that stuff and she used to like to see how her hair looks. So she ran out and so she said I'm going to use Gorilla Glue. So what you see right there that picture is her head with gorilla glue on it and it's literally frozen that way I mean by the way for anybody who's never used gorilla glue that is the strongest

Two sender box together with the glue Dude you kidding me? It turns into like like a hard plastic or something Anyway, she sprayed it. so it was a spray. Really sprayed it in her hair, did her hair. That was it. She had to go to a plastic surgeon to get her hair and scalp worked on, because that was it. I don't know how you'd possibly get that out. Yeah.

How is that like graft her hair off? No, Doug's got the article pulled up. I mean, does it say what was going through her head? She just thought it would be a replacement for her. She's not very smart girl, obviously. Now, here's the best part, you're ready for this? Young, how young? I don't know.

40. She's 40? 40? You should know better. Yeah, this is like a 15 year old makes a decision like this. Wow, that's amazing. Well, I guess we could just make fun of her then. So here's the worst part.

She is now talking to a lawyer about suing. Girl glue? Yes. Oh my. This is such a weird time we got. No, it's so weird. Hey, I used your product and it worked. I did something stupid.

You should pay for it. Yeah, yeah. I used to really glue my hair. Hey, worked out for my buddy, dude. My buddy got $6 million out of something like that. No, he didn't do something that way. I mean, no, he didn't do anything that that stupid. But I mean, he stuck his foot in like a grinder thing, right?

There was like a recycling business thing that he worked in. They run all this equipment and things through it, and it's like a grinds all the shit up. And the thing, it was on a conveyor belt, and the stuff was stuck. And so he gets up on the conveyor belt, and starts kicking it to push it through, and it sucks his foot in. Oh my God. And so he gets up on the conveyor belt and starts kicking it to push it through and it sucks his foot in.

Oh my God. And then he hits the emerald. Now how did he win that lawsuit? There was a sign that said you can't kick. It didn't, there was no sign. No, there was an emergency button that he hit right afterwards and I think it didn't work.

It didn't legit. It didn't fire up right away. That's legit though. Really? Yeah dude. That's not like, I mean, I don't know that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like the McDonald's thing. No, say like, spilling on your lap just because it doesn't have caution and then you sue over that. No, it's not because coffee

is supposed to be hot and also it would be like, you have foot grind or things that grind up steel are designed to grind up feet too. Yeah, but then, but then he hit the stop on. It was smart. Yeah. And the smart, the stop button didn't work. That's a lawsuit. Cause it's there for safety. It's probably mainly that. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, that was the case. They built around. It reminds me of like suing like fast food restaurants

for being fat, you know what I mean? Yeah. Ah, you guys made me fat. Well, actually, you did. You know, so this woman is trying to sue Gorilloglu maybe, but I feel so bad too. Yeah, when you watch it. Make me old.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure Gorilloglu has warnings on the back of it too. Yeah. Okay, here's the thing, warnings are bullshit. I'm gonna be honest with you. First of all, nobody reads them anymore because people have gotten so litigious. You go buy a hair dryer and there's a freaking

thousand-word warning on it. It's so small, nobody reads it anymore. Why do they do that? They gotta cover every single base. Don't blow dry your hair while you're taking a bath. Don't use this on an infant in the shower. Well look what people do with your products. Well, what do you're taking a bath. Don't use this on an infant in the shower. People do it through products.

It's insane. What do you think about that? Do you think that that's a good thing? Like I think that's stupid. I think too many warnings now mean nothing. Like I said, do you read warnings? You ever open a product, you see the warnings? It's like, I'm not gonna read this thing.

I read some warnings, really? Yeah, it depends on what it is. If it's something new that I don't know what I'm messing with or what, I'll read some of that. It's like a construction. Like, real like boo, I would read the back of it. Why isn't that even in like coffee shops? They've had all these like, you know,

like could potentially cause cancer for like all these things in there. I'm like, what is all this? Oh, you're talking about Prop 65 in California. That's what it was. Okay, so Prop 65 in California is, I believe if there's an any amount over a certain amount of lead in a product or whatever or something like that or if it contains something that has been shown to be cancerous,

that it has to have that warning label. Here's the problem with it is that everything is like that. So you go in the grocery store, Prop 65 on the door, Prop 65 on the back. And so when you have, that's my point. When you have so many warnings for everything, it loses value. Nobody cares anymore. Oh, okay, everything's got Prop 65. I don't care anymore. Isn't it shown too that sometimes it did more work for the first right now? Because tobacco did that, right?

Like with cigarettes. And it didn't like decrease sales at all, like when they did that, right? You know what worked for tobacco? What? So they don't do it here because the tobacco industry here's pretty powerful. But in other countries, if you buy a packet of cigarettes,

it'll have, and it actually works. It'll have a picture of someone's gnarly ass teeth in gums, or like a picture of someone, like, you know, dying from, you know, lung disease or whatever, on the pack. Now that works. The skull and crossbones, they did that, and I didn't work, right?

No, because it's, people get tattooed with that. Yeah, cool, do you have a rebel? Yeah. But if you buy a packet of cool, do you have a rebel? Yeah. But if you buy a pack of cigarettes and you pull it out in front and your girlfriend and your friend's like, the ugly ass teeth, like half fallen out and shit, I don't know if I'll do it. I didn't know they did that.

Yeah, and I think it's in Europe. That's interesting. Yeah, so you look at the cigarettes. It's interesting. Like a gross picture. Can I tell you guys about when I use that strategy on my son when he was a kid, it's kind of backfire. It felt really bad about it.

What would you do? When he was little, he wouldn was kind of backfire, it felt really bad about it. But what would you do? When he was little, he wouldn't let me clip his toenails because it tickled his feet. And so I used to get like, internet and I scarred the shadow. You know what I'm trying to do? I don't want my toes to look like that. I'm not a son of son of a...

He's like paranoid forever. Oh, it's gross, dude. Oh, I'm not sorry, man. Overly manicure. It's not a bad strategy, though. Yeah, look at the pictures that they show on the cigarettes. Like, mouth cancer and... Oh.

I mean, I wouldn't want to buy that shit. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that with the teeth. Okay, look at the guys throat. Oh wow. Yeah, it's the... The reedle.

Yeah, gross. Anyway, yeah, good stuff. So you know what I did yesterday because I ran out of my butcher box, is actually bought a grass fed steak from the grocery store. Oh, to compare. Terrible, compared to theirs. Bro, I know. I know.

That's the way butcher box has the... Because here's the thing with grass fed meat, does taste different than grain fed. Grain fed is, obviously, it's got more fat in it, more marbling, it's sweeter. In fact, back in the day, when my dad told me back in the day, people would actively choose grain fed meat because they like the taste more. Of course. But we know grass feds a little bit healthy and a lot of stuff.

Butcherbox does a great job with their grass feds. It tastes, it's the best tasting grass fed that I ever had. I threw one of their tritips on. I just finally fired up the trigger. Oh, you did. It had its first maiden voyage there. Yeah.

It was good. It was really good. And we put some of those potatoes that Doug made up in Truckee and put those in there as well. Where are potatoes? Yeah, they had like garlic and was it not basil, but it was, Doug, me potatoes while we were up there.

Rosemary. Rosemary potatoes. Yeah, we're up there. You remember that. Oh, I was on. Yeah, you guys missed out. Over after Christmas, around New Year's. I had already left.

They were like the best potatoes, so yeah, we tried to do a kid on that either. Doug, yeah, maybe you left. Doug's like just the Irish guys left over one. He's a big potato eater. I love potato. Hey, so any problems with firing the trigger up? You have the same one as I do, right?

The digital one, you can do with your phone, never? Yeah, no, so I didn't realize you had to burn, you know, like you gotta go through it the first time to run it through and everything. And that took forever. So we didn't even get to use it the first night that we were gonna plan on using it because it ended up being like eight o'clock

by the time I was gonna be able to start using it and start cooking. And so we just saved the meat and marinate it and everything. And so we used it last night, but yeah, everything went fine. Would you marinate it? What do you marinate it? I don't remember the, honestly, I don't even remember, Courtney put that one together.

Oh, did she? I like the dry rub. You guys got me on the dry rub. That's my favorite. honestly, I don't even remember. Courtney put that one to you. Oh, did she? I like the dry rub. You guys got me on the dry rub. That's my favorite. Yeah, I like it because it crusts on there. I have yet to do the coffee one that you said. I wonder, would that be good on a tritip? The coffee.

100%. Oh, yeah, it'd be really good. Yeah. Now, you did the tritip in the trigger. Yeah, so we did in the trigger, so we smoked it first, and then I brought it back and then seared it on both sides that way and then we, you know, then I, you know, served it was perfect.

That's the only thing I don't like about the trigger or any smoker in general for that is that I like the char, the char taste, like that, I know, Doug doesn't like as much as I do. Well, that's why I used the Weber before that. So do you still, as I say, do you still have a Weber or a gas grill still? Yeah, I might actually start doing that. Yeah, it's like char it, like maybe take it out,

like smoke it, then take it out and like char it on the Weber. Yeah, Doug's not a fan of the char, I think, because the carcinogens, right? Is that what it is? Yeah, partly. No, I don't. I also don't want to eat, you know, burnt. Yeah, Adam likes to do it over an open flame.

Yeah, you know what though? Here's my theory on the charge stuff. Like, the first ways that hunter gathers ever cooked meat. So, I feel like it's overstated, you know what I'm saying? I think so too. You know? Of all the stuff that we're taking in and that we're doing. It's like, that's why the way I look at it is,

like, I've seen the research on it, right? It's like, there's so many other rocks in my life that I could probably... It's not just that I like my meat cook that way. It's like, uh, no. But it's even more than that. Like you can look at, like, you know, individual parts of something and say, oh, there's carcinogens here.

Therefore, it's going to be, you know, bad. But you got to look and see what the actual effects are because it doesn't always work out that way, right? It doesn't always work out that, like, for example, uh, you generate a shit ton of free radicals when you exercise. In fact, if you were to study someone while they. Like for example, you generate a shit ton of free radicals when you exercise. In fact, if you were to study someone while they're exercising and afterwards, you'd see it would look like the most unhealthy practice ever.

Free radicals, inflammation's going up, oh my gosh, you should never do this. Obviously it's good for you. Super flamethrower. Or you could get a rock and I can analyze it, but like look at all these beneficial minerals, right? Eating a rock is not gonna be good for you though. So I feel like what they say about the carcinogens in meat

that it's cooked or charred, that's how hunter-gatherers cooked, all meat or all food. Well, especially avoiding like dysentery and you know like bad bacteria. Do you know the origin of that? Like what made that popular? What, that there's carcinogens? Yeah, that people, they started talking about it.

It got really popular for like about 10, 15 years ago. Maybe more than that. I think they warned that. What is this when everybody was like boiling their meat? You know, that was a big thing for a while. Yeah, I think it's just because you can analyze stuff now and see carcinogens. So you could see in all this has carcinogens,

therefore maybe it's bad, but not always. I don't know, I feel like there's more to their origin of that. I met you, there's like, came from the vegan community or some crazy shit. That's what I their origin of that. I met you, there's like came from the vegan community or some crazy shit. That's what I think. Vegan conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah.

I like Adam's conspiracy. Yeah, that's what I think. That's what I think. Vegan conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah. I like Adam's conspiracy. Yeah, that's what I think.

Yeah. That's what I think. Vegan conspiracy. Yeah. That's what I think. Vegan conspiracy. Yeah. I like Adam's conspiracy. Yeah. That sure you guys were pulling a prank on me. Why would happen?

Bro, I did this, like I read the teleprompter and I'm doing this thing for, it was like a landing page for when the book that I wrote is gonna go out, come out soon, right? So that's gonna come out sometime in April. So I'm doing this thing. And it was literally like no exaggeration, a 15 second read, that's it.

So I'll stand there, I read it, done, right? Yeah. And so Doug sets up, and the set up process can take 30 minutes sometimes, because we got to move cameras, do that stuff. So he sets it up, and I swore to God, it was at least 20 takes, and almost every single one was something like,

the camera shut off. Oh, it's the wrong chip, there's not enough data on this. Oh, I forgot to record the audio. I don't know why I left the ladder behind you. We gotta do it again. It's like 20 times, like, I was waiting for Doug to be like, ha ha, I got you. I paid, Doug.

No, yeah. I think Doug and I have talked about this before. I think we've agreed that it's you who's jinxed. It has to be. Yeah, it's you who's jinxed. You bring the tech play. Because I asked Doug all the time, like, why? I mean, we do, because him and I have to do similar stuff,

but for different things. And, you know, we would only fly right through it. I'm like, why do you and I have to do similar stuff but for different things and you know We would only fly right through to like why do you and sell have such a problem doing that? I don't know I think sell expects bad things to happen. So I just Consciously give it to him Doug delivers law of attraction dude stop attracting all that At this point I was like all right Doug. Just at one point I left you're manifest because we were done Doug's and it's like Doug's I all finally we got it everything's working thanks Sal or I dug I'll see tomorrow. I'm literally walking out the door So wait I left the prop behind you. I'm sorry. I forgot to tell you

Backwards I would say that's my least favorite part of the business I do what do you feel about it? You don't mind it though you you you like doing no I actually feel comfortable talking to the camera. Yeah, I do. It feels very natural. You make love to the camera. Yeah, I think you're right. That's our Patreon. You have to pay for that content. It's not free on iTunes or YouTube. Just say everybody.

How do you like that flavor? How do you like the flavor you're drinking right there? Oh, the orange one? Yeah, yeah. It's not bad, but honestly, like the root beer and the cola, I find far superior. Really? Yeah, those are my favorites.

So this one's okay. So, you guys know those, like a few episodes ago, you guys asked me what was in my supplement back, and there was one supplement I talked about that was for gut health. Yeah. I got so many DMs about what to take or whatever. People are very, I think gut health issues are so common,

it's insane. I think so many people deal with them. Yeah. It's crazy. So, on the topic of OliPOP, which is what Justin was talking about, which is what flavors that orange. Oh, so that's orange squeeze. So OliPOP is a lot of people think it's a soda replacement because it tastes like soda, tastes really good, no sugar or low sugar. Very low calorie, I think a can is like 30 calories.

So it's actually a gut health supplement. So the stuff in Oli Pop are things that help the micocell lining in your gut. The things that feed beneficial bacteria. So it's actually a, it does taste like soda. It's not soda. Again, there's no sugar in it. But it is a product for gut health. So how many grams of sugar just for the little one?

Yeah, it's little, it's not a lot. And so I think it's 35 calories. So what do you got? It's 45 calories. Okay. So many grams of sugar just really little right? Yeah, it's little. It's not a lot. And it's, I think it's 35 calories. So what do you got? It's 45 calories. Okay. Five grams of sugar. Five grams. The whole can. Yeah. And how many grams of fiber? Uh, nine grams of fiber. Nine grams of fiber. So does it, and now are some of the things that are in that are that were they in that supplement that you know, so either there's antimicrobials that you can use for gut health to help kill bacteria, so that's a few deals with SIBO. And then there are things you can take that help nourish, again, the mucosa lining of the gut, which is a protective lining in the gut that keeps it from getting to inflame

with irritants from food. And there are things that help feed beneficial bacteria, things like certain fibers, for example, that can help with that. So OliPOP is not an antimicrobial. It's more of a pro-positive gut health to nourish those things. Well, I told you, Courtney and myself too, have been going into this process of trying to figure out our gut issues and everything else.

And so eliminating a lot of regular sodas, it didn't happen all the time, but even just mixing it with alcohol or throughout the day, if I'm eating a lunch and I wanted like a soda So I'll just have you know allie pop and stand has been you know helping with that. That's weird So you soda and alcohol is hurting your gut huh? It's strange.

Yeah Oh it's it is. I'm just gonna take a shot the dark maybe looking to cheese see what you see No, don't take that for them Don't take it from Justin Hey, I wanted to do a video where you want to live or yeah One day we're gonna get sponsored by Kraft and you're going to take that back. I was talking to Justin like we should do a video where you open your wallet, you know, and there's like,

just yeah, a craft single. Yeah, you're putting your foot on a strip club with some craft. They're like dollars. That's what our trucky house looks like. Every time I go up, there's like stashes and drawers. There's strings Pack up Richard. Maybe it's your family or somebody else. There's like string cheese everywhere like there's all like I'm like Where's all this coming from this is probably why they think I'm like oh? It's not all you know is mine. Hey, I'll be I'll tell you dude if I could have dairy Dairy's amazing. Yeah, it's not his family. Are you string cheese in it? Are you string cheese in it? Nope? Yeah, it's you Justin Bro, you're so bad

You fucking sleepwalking by fucking cheese That's how bad you are this guy's oh this guy can't have it this guy denied I know I didn't buy none of it Yeah, it's you doing for cheese That's how you use it Yeah This quas brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give

your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's olrgnifi.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Carly, Latessa. How often should you be adding weight to your routine? I get this question all the time. So obviously depends on the person. Here's a deal. I want to say this is very clear. There are many, many ways to increase the tension or the difficulty of an exercise. Adding weight is one of them. So if you go into a workout and you're stronger and you want to add weight, one thing you can

do is slow down your reps, which will actually produce a very similar effect and actually probably improve your form and reduce your risk of injury. Adding weight in my opinion for most people is one of those things that I reserve for later. So when I'm training a client, I notice that they're stronger. I just have them perfect their form or slow down first. Once everything is in, you know, all the pieces are in play that we've done this now for a few weeks and everything looks perfect.

They've slowed down the reps. They're controlling things. They're going maybe a little deeper under squat or whatever, then I'll add the weight. So the answer to this is you should increase the intensity or of your workout whenever possible, but within those parameters I talked about, that would be my answer. Well, what's, Doug, what was the name of the episode? I think it was eight or nine ways to progressively overload. We did an episode. I would refer this person to that, first of all, to your point, Sal.

And I remember training clients, right? So it really would depend on where this person's level of fitness is at because tempo, rest periods, rep range, those things, I would much rather manipulate that before I start to add weight to the bar. For most clients. Now, let's pretend I'm training somebody who's got 10 plus years and they're super advanced, different story.

I definitely want to add weight to the bar and I'm going to push that. Although, even that person, I'm still manipulating those other things too. I just would avoid adding weight to the bar if it's someone who's brand new and I think our form is not like perfect. Right. I want to perfect that and get that down really well before I start loading. Yeah, unless I have like a real competitive

like power lifter type client where their entire goal is to keep increasing the amount of load that they can, you know, try and achieve. And so, yeah, it's way better to kind of assess how much control you have, how great your form is, and then manipulate all those other variables first. But increasing load is just another one of those things

that you got to consider in order to gain more strength. Right, and now this is other strategy that's kind of interesting that I've played with in the past. That was very effective. This was a strategy that was employed by some of the Eastern block strength athletes. So this is during the Soviet Union was a thing and they were dominating in some of the weightlifting sports

and we didn't know how they were training. It was what they called the Iron Curtain. So nobody was sharing training secrets or whatever. Of course, when the Soviet Union collapsed, we got a lot of the coaches and we learned about some of these training techniques. One of them is very interesting is you pick a weight. Let's say, for me, let's say dead lifting 315,

315 pounds for eight reps is like 80% intensity, right? So which is a good intensity to train with. So today I do eight reps with 315. I do that exact same thing for the next, I don't know, five or six weeks. Even if the intensity continues to drop because I'm getting stronger. So, I go next week, I do eight reps, but now it feels like it's 75% intensity. It doesn't matter. I stay at eight reps. Then the next week, then you do this for about five or six weeks. The weight gets real easy, then you add a lot of weight. Rather than adding weight each time,

it's a very interesting strategy. I've actually messed with this in the past, and I get tremendous strengthings from doing it. Well, the reason is because when the weight gets really heavy, the first thing to go is form. And it takes a lot of discipline to still maintain form while struggling to push through a weight. So that's the, I mean, to your point about training that way,

even what you're practicing, you're practicing, you're getting the mechanics down so well, so that when you do start to load the bar and you start to struggle, you don't break form. Totally. If you take a person who's just, let's just teaching them how to deadlift or squat or any of these movements and all right,

we're getting a little bit traction, I'm feeling stronger, Adam, let's add some weight. As soon as I add weight, it's like putting them right back down to square one again because they've only got five, six weeks of training. And now I just, I've made it at max intensity for them. Their form's gonna break down. Right. Now there's always.

There's this other strategy, which is opposite, but also very interesting, where you get incremental weights. Have you guys ever messed with these before? Two-next-ional weights. Brad, they're even smaller. They're like magnets. And you literally will go up every week, half a pound, and you just every week, you know. I like this approach.

It is kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of annoying, you know, like it's little tiny bits of load that you don't even really notice, but it's over time, I mean, you start adding that up and like before you know it, like you've gained, like I don't know, like 20, 30 pounds that way. Now the only reason I like the other strategy that you first mentioned, South, better is because

what we know is that you have two days of not the best sleep. You calories weren't up all the way. Sure. A little bit of stress in your life. And I don't care how good your programming is and your training consistency is, those other factors play a role in how strong you're in your workout, and so inevitably you could easily come into a week and be weaker than the week before,

and it's not because you're not programming. Well, it's just that there's other factors that contribute to strength. Totally. Next question is from more life. Is there a certain number of pull-ups or chin-ups you consider to be a good marker of strength? I think if a guy can do 15,

well, 10 to 15, I was I think if a guy can do 15, well, 10 to 15, I was gonna say 15, but 10 to 15, you're strong, and for a woman around five pull ups, you're doing pretty well. Now here's a problem with giving these general answers, is that there's a lot of factors that can come into play here.

You are if you're a bigger person, it's gonna be much harder. If I'm talking about a 240 pound athlete, male, 15 pull-ups, wow, that's a lot of pull-ups to be that heavy. If you're a 150 pound guy, 15 pull-ups might not be that much at all. But I think generally speaking, if you're a guy,

10 to 15 is a good number to aim for and for a woman about five. Yeah, this is such a hard one to answer because I think if somebody like, what's his name with Kabuki strength, I forget his name all the time. What's his name? Chris Deffen, thank you.

Watching that dude do pull ups is so impressive to me because he's a beat, what do you like 270 pounds or something? Or Robert Obers, remember when he did that? Yeah, or Robert Obers. Like that is, and then you have someone like David Goggins who can do like a thousand. I'm less impressed.

You know what I'm saying? He's like a paperweight. You have two difference between those two people Doing pull-ups is completely different. So it's it's hard to gauge What's a good number for the you know the general population? I mean Yeah, the five-intent thing kind of but I mean that completely changes based off that person the body Of course, and if you can't do if you're a woman and you can't do not one pull up and then you get to the point where you can do two That's phenomenal. It's progress. Progress is what's most important What's the most amount of pull ups you guys are ever done by the way 25 25 for 20? Yeah me to 25 the most I ever did

You know what was and that was focused to like I was you were trying to yeah So I did this thing where I would do 50 I do 50 pull ups to start every back workout That was a thing because I wanted to get to a place where I could rep. So you do however many sets it took? Yes. That's the old Arnold workout, you know what I'm saying? I didn't know that. Yeah, Arnold did that. Yeah, I don't remember where I got it, but that was like the thing.

Was where every back workout, start with pull-ups, you get 50, and I was trying to get 50, it's fast, I get 50. So I jump up, first I get, you know, maybe 12, 15, and then drop down, and then do again to 10, and then eight, and then keep doing it like that until I got to the 50. And over time, I got to a place where I could wrap out about 25 of them. And I was good body weight, but that's something I noticed too, is like, where my body weight makes a huge difference.

Yeah, well, yeah. This brings up, it's an interesting thing because of standardization. I've seen too within, I think it was like a sheriff's department. They were giving them grief about like, not even having this standardized test that they had to pass in order to become a sheriff. And they wanted to keep it because it's like,

you want somebody that's able-bodied and capable and strong and can perform the job at the highest ability, but it was severely limiting the amount of applicants that were applying. And so the sheriff in charge was complaining about that they wanted to eliminate the test completely just because they have such low numbers of people wanting to take on the job.

See, for that, I have a different opinion on that. For something like that, that makes sense to have this standard that you should have to be able to do the job where you can't. Exactly, because that general population, and we're talking about a client who just wants to be strong and is trying to say, oh, I heard a mind pump, if I can't do 10 pull-ups I'm not very sure. No, it's terrible. I'm saying that doesn't matter. If it doesn't apply to your job every day, then who gives a shit? You could potentially deadlift. I know plenty

of people that can deadlift 500 pounds, but can't even do 10 pull ups. Right, is that person weak? No, they're not weak. They just don't do pull ups. They don't strengthen that way. They haven't tried to lean their body out. So like, if your job requires it though,

I think it makes sense. If you're a firefighter cop, you have to climb a wall, you have to do something like that. Yeah, you should probably be able to pull you body up. Speaking of standards, you guys remember, it was a while ago where I brought up the article where the, I think it was a military, I remember what branch was gonna change

or standard for throwing a grenade distance. Because people were not able to throw a grenade at the standard distance or whatever. I thought that was something to do with the women's, like the women couldn't throw it as far as the men could throw it. Well, they were trying to lower the standards. It was something, but it was something like that to lower it because so many people couldn't, all of a sudden,

it was this old standard, people just couldn't do it anymore. Which is kind of, it was something like they had to lower it because so many people couldn't all of a sudden It was this old standard people just couldn't do it anymore Yeah, which is kind of like across the board Well, that's another example of like that should stay there You should have to be able to throw grenade far enough to not blow your friends up if you can't do that you shouldn't be here I don't care what I'm in pretty logical. Yeah, I think it's very logical. I don't care what sex you are You need to be able to fucking throw this thing far enough so we don't die It's like toss it on the ground for any oh shit Most impressive Paul check and press the shit out of me with his pull up remember when he came here He's like 50-something old guy and he's not like small. He's muscular dude. He's a one-armed pull-ups out there

Yeah, you gotta be kidding me beast. Oh, yeah Next question is from Jen Rose hair What are your thoughts on using a chiropractor for adjusting back issues? If you go to a chiropractor, and all they do is adjust you, they suck. Don't go to them anymore. That's a hundred percent. You're just looking to get cracked.

Yes. It's the same to me as if you go to a trainer and all they do is work you out hard. If you go and you hire a personal trainer and your first five sessions look like this, you just get in your ass kicked and you're giving back up, your trainer sucks. Total.

Chiropractor is the same way. You go see your chiropractor and all it does is pop you crack, you make you feel good for that moment and you go and that's all of what you get from him, terrible chiropractor. Right, and now here's why, okay. If you do an adjustment on somebody and they feel better, but you don't correct the reason why they're out of alignment and putting in quotes because that's their terminology, right? If you don't correct the reason why they're out of alignment and putting in quotes

because that's their terminology, right? If you don't correct the reason why they're impaying in the first place, if you don't correct the root cause of why they're out of alignment, they're just going to go back to where they were before and then they're going to have to come see you again. And so you see this pattern with some chiropractors where they'll sell these big packages of Sesh and you got to go see them every single week. I got to see my chiropractor on every Monday, otherwise I start to feel bad. Here's what a good chiropractor looks like.

They use adjustments judiciously, but they use a lot of exercise and correctional movements and mobility movements to correct the root cause of why you're hurting in the first place. Those are the ones you wanna go see, but the adjusting people, and then even worse, I don't remember what they called it, but it was like this, in the chiropractor world,

there's like these people that teach chiropractors had to make more money. And one of the strategies was to have lots of beds lined up in the same room, and you set people up in these beds, and you adjust this person, adjust that person, adjust. And so you see six or seven people, like a factory line.

Yeah, and I don't remember what it was called, but there was this a terminology for it and it was just I remember one time one of my clients went to one of these people the whack him in crack and I saw it and I'm like, oh, this is a this is just an adjustment factory and the dude's charging everybody here. I've been the one I tell where it's like they break up the appointments like eight minutes apart for the entire hour. So you know this person this person's getting in at 5, 5, 8 people in every hour or two. You also have to place a little bit of guilt back on the consumer coming in because the expectation for them is that

they're gonna feel good and be relieved in that instant moment and then walk out and, you know, go about their day, but it just doesn't stop there. Like, you have to look for somebody that actually is gonna give you a plan and, you know, get to the root of the issue and give you something of substance.

Well, this is why it's so deceiving. I mean, that was why it was so hard as a trainer to, like, explain this to clients that had car passengers. Many times they get a client and they had a car driver for three years and they love him or her. But I feel good. Yeah, exactly. Because they go do it and they, and doesn't even matter.

You can sit there and explain everything you just talked about right now. And it's like in one year out together because I feel better every time I do it. And the truth is, the adjusting part is not the bad part. They need to complement that with exercises and stretches to go along with it. And honestly, this is my opinion, because maybe some car parkers have different.

But I like a car parker who doesn't even put you on a table and adjust you for the first like few sessions. The first few sessions. So you're doing a fest, man. Exactly, just that's how I feel like a trainer is. If a trainer gets you, and it's day one, he just met you, and he's out kicking your ass on the floor right away. He's a fucking terrible trainer.

For me, the first at least three to four sessions is feeling my client out watching them move, watching them squat, watching them lift away, watching them get up off the ground, asking them questions, assessing their diet. All these things factor in when I'm designing a program for them that's going to get them not only their results, but also serve them long term. A good chiropractor should do the same thing. Next question is from John Fowbert.

Why is pop culture so anti-red meat? Oh, I hate this. You know, this actually, this goes way back to when saturated fat and cholesterol became demonized. Now, this was based off of really, really crappy. I think it was called the seven countries study or whatever, where they actually omitted a few countries that didn't fit into this, study or whatever, or they actually omitted a few countries that didn't fit into this narrative. But this was when our government took on this narrative that dietary cholesterol and saturated fat were the reason why we were seeing rising rates of heart disease. Now of course, what has cholesterol and saturated fat read meat? That's where it started, right?

Started there. By the way, it's all false. In very small subsets of the population, they should watch their saturated fat intake. Dietary cholesterol almost nobody needs to care about. Actually, it doesn't really impact your cholesterol. There's a few, there's a very, again, small percentage of population

where this becomes a thing. But for most people, it's not an issue. But that's where it started. Then it was the red meat is bad for the environment. That's what we're hearing now, which, you know, we added a great podcast with Rob Wolff, where he talks about how it's way more complicated than that. It's not as simple as it seems, but it's total, this is total bullshit. If you have a balanced diet, red meat's one of the healthiest things you could eat for most people. It's got, the nutrient density of red meat is so phenomenal, okay?

It's one of the only foods that you could eat by itself. Now, I don't recommend this, okay? I'm not saying this is a good idea, this is a great diet. But it's one of the only foods you could eat by themselves, always, and eat nothing else, and you probably won't have a nutrient deficiency. You can't say that with any other food based at all, especially any plant food.

So red meat, very, very, it's fine. There's nothing wrong with it's healthy. Especially if it's quality red meat, like grass-fed meat that we get that we talked about earlier. The pop culture thing, I think, has mostly to do with the environment, right? So we're talking about pop culture right now and why is it so popular to be anti-red meat?

I mean, you look at the documentaries that we took, game changers and what the health, like that came out with this that made people think that if you are not eating meat, you're helping save the planet. And that's been a big movement for the last decade and a half. So that's why I think it's so popular right now is that, I know, because I have family like this,

I've got a little niece and nephew that, you know, there are teens, 20s, and they all sudden switched to vegan, I don't know, or not for any health reasons whatsoever, but because they think they're saving the planet by stopping eating right meat. And so that's become trendy and popular to do that. So it's not like, oh, I'm being healthier so much,

which I think that was more so what you alluded to before, like with cholesterol and things like that, and fat. I think it has more to do with like, I'm saving the earth. It's the Prius drivers. You know, I would you look up something on that. I bet you like half the damn Prius drivers are also vegan. Sure.

You're saving the planet. Sure, right? Yeah, it's interesting bringing this up. I was talking to Courtney about this too. She's reading through Dr. Becky Campbell's book and I think she had an excerpt in there from Chris Cresser. And he actually like was talking talking about the modern day hunter gatherers and so there's still tribes out there

that just live off of what they hunt and field and whatnot. And they outperformed and are superior on all health markers to people living in the industrialized world. And it's like measures like BMI, blood pressure, vision, bone density, cardiovascular function. And so it's like, you know, just to look at like how we've formed into all these like dietary habits, you got to put a lens on there and see if we're doing a good job or not.

Yes. And when I say red meat, I'm talking about just meat, right? So, you know, if somebody eats a lot of cheeseburgers, then that's not good, right? The meat itself might be okay, might be not the greatest quality, but there's cheese in there, there's spreads, there's mayonnaise and stuff, there's bread that's in there, probably comes along with some french fries. When I say red meat, I mean just a red meat. In my experience, when I was working with clients, especially women who had issues with menstruation.

So sometimes they'll get clients who, women who'd over-diated or over-trained and they weren't getting their period and their hormones were all off and I'd work with a functional medicine practitioner alongside one. One of the things that would be recommended always was to increase their red meat consumption. Good quality red meat like steak or grass-fed ground beef or whatever. And it would balance them out, and they would feel amazing. It's got a high concentration of creatine. Creatine's got some incredible health properties.

Of course, the amino acid profile is amazing in it. The fatty acid content of red meat, especially grass-fed meat, red meat is good. It's a very healthy thing to eat. But again, it's not processed meat. So I'm not talking about hot dogs or baloney. Baloney or that kind of stuff. I'm talking about like steak, you know, or maybe good quality ground beef. Grass-fed grass-finish. Yeah, there, there you're gonna have the good

quality, but you know, even the grain-fed steak or ground beef is okay. It's not as good, but it's still okay. But no, this crusade against red meat is silly, and it's just, if they move from one thing to another. In my opinion, one of the reasons why pop culture's so anti-just meat in general is because it's one of the foods that really can't be patent-tipped. You know, they can produce GMO plants or they could produce fake meat products,

like Beyond Burger. Beyond Burger is patented, that's a patented formula. I can't make that. Now, if I sell a steak, I have a farm or whatever, and I sell a steak, I can't patent my steak, someone else, so there's a lot of money that is behind,

kind of with nefarious intentions, to demonize meat in general because it's not a patentable, it's my opinion, but it's not a product that's patented like GMO soy or corn or that kind of stuff. A vegan that drives a hummer is better for the environment than someone who meets meat and drives a Prius. So that would assess? It's like a famous article that went viral a couple of years ago.

Well, you know, Rob Wolf said that the farming, the animals in farming make up about 3% of all of the greenhouse gas emissions and reducing and eliminating animal products would only cut that down by a half. Well, it tripped me out most about that conversation in that podcast was how he was talking about desert areas and planes that used to be grass and how they can actually bring that back by introducing animals and hunting and having this ecosystem rebuild itself

and it can actually then counter a lot of the carbon emissions. Totally. And then from a performance standpoint, I'll tell you what right now, strength athletes form day one or advocates of eating red meat. You notice a difference in your performance and strength. So yeah, I tell you, it was very few people

that I'll have when I would train clients, and again, I would always work with nutrition experts, but very few people that we would tell to reduce their saturated fat intake or cholesterol intake, who were otherwise eating healthy, right? Otherwise, it was like, all right, let's cut your sugar intake, let's cut your processed food intake. By the way, if you look at the obesity epidemic,

they tried to pin it on fat, then they tried to pin it on sugar. The reality is it's heavily processed foods. The more processed foods we eat, the more obesity goes up and it just makes this overeat, and that's the problem. It's not meat. So look, mine pump is record on videos as well as audio. You can come find us also on YouTube,

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