Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1501: The Fat Burning Zone Myth, How to Build Side Butt, Supplements That Are Worth Buying & More

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the “fat burning zone,” how to train and grow the gluteus medius, what supplements are worth spending big money on and which ones to avoid, and how to stay motivated when you have reached most of your natural potential. The release of Sal’s book is nearly here! (4:57) The controversy surrounding Mr. Potato Head. (12:04) The truth behind Orangetheory’s EPOC “afterburn” effect claims. (14:18) Mind Pump Workouts: Updates on their current training, nutrition, and challenges. (23:22) How to wean yourself off caffeine using Organifi’s red juice. (27:03) Mind Pump love drones. (29:35) The guys are REALLY into UFOs. (32:15) The dangers of ‘cock fighting’. (37:32) What country is the leader in ‘party drug’ consumption? (40:48) The SARMS market is booming! (42:52) How Paleo Valley’s beef sticks have ruined all beef jerky for the guys. (45:03) The value of following a structured workout to keep you on track. (46:24) #Quah question #1 – Is the “fat-burning zone” a real thing? (49:09) #Quah question #2 - How should one train and grow the gluteus medius? (56:52) #Quah question #3 - What supplements are worth spending big money on and which ones can I save on? (1:00:48) #Quah question #4 - How do you stay motivated when you have reached most of your natural potential? (1:05:39) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Promotion: Promo code: “SPRINGBREAK” at checkout Mr. Potato Head drops the mister, sort of Critical race theory - Wikipedia The Truth About Orangetheory's Billion-Dollar Fitness Empire We Burn as Many Calories as Hunter-Gatherers, So What Makes Us Fat? Exercise vs. Diet? What Children of the Amazon Can Teach Us About Weight Gain Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** World’s First Supersonic Unmanned Combat Drone Reaches Speeds Of Over 1,500mph Pilot reports UFO, says missile-like object flew over plane during flight to Phoenix JRE #1315 - Bob Lazar & Jeremy Corbell Rooster kills man at illegal cockfight in India Mapping international drug use through the world's largest wastewater study Mind Pump #922: John Romano Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** Effects of Cardio Training on the Body – Mind Pump Blog NEAT vs. Cardio for Maximum Calorie Burn – Mind Pump Blog The BEST Side Butt Exercise! (SUMO DEADLIFT) - Mind Pump TV Strengthen Lateral Movement with a Lateral Sled Pull – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump TV - YouTube Mind Pump #1235: The 5 Most Overrated Supplements Mind Pump #1227: The 5 Most Important Supplements To Take Arsenic, Lead Found in Popular Protein Supplements Mind Pump #1322: What’s Your Real Muscle Building Potential? (And How To Get There…) The Key to Fitness Success is Self-Love – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You are listening to the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Now today's episode is a Q&A episode. This is where we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by our audience, but the way we open the episode was with an intro portion. So we have a lot of fun, we talk about current events, we speculate a lot about things

like UFOs. Ooh, speculate. Good times. Today's intro was 44 minutes long after that we got to the fitness stuff. So let me give you a rundown of today's episode. We opened up by talking about my book, I did write a book, it'll be out soon and I had to read it out loud for the audio portion, challenge the shit out of my ADD,

Justin. It was really hard. That was a struggle. Then we talked about Mr. Potato Head, or should we say, just Potato Head. Potato. Just Potato. Then we talked about Epoch.

This is the afterburn you get from exercise. Is it overrated and was orange theory using it as a marketing point? It's not a cool rapper name. That's right. Then Justin talked about working at a world gym down in Palm Desert, breaking weights over there, apparently. Yeah.

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Go to paleovali.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code MindPump15 for that discount. And then we talked about the value of following a structured workout to keep you on track. Then we got into the questions, here's the first one. This person wants to know if there is a fat burning zone in cardio, is that a real thing? The next question, this person wants to know

how to train and grow the side butt. I make the butt come out besides a little bit. Side butt. The third question was, what supplements should I spend money on and which ones can I save money on? And then the last question, this person wants to know how to stay motivated when you had reached your genetic, natural potential.

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I want to hear what it was like for you to record your book. When you told me you were doing that, I was like, man, that is guy to be. Bro, that's got to be tough. Bro, you're, you're talking to Sal, though. I mean, he's like a talk machine. Well, he, that's not the same. Yeah, but here's the, he's a talk machine. He's a writing machine, but reading like that out loud. Yeah. Cause I know he, he's a, I mean, yeah, he's, he's a, he does that thing where you, what's it, what's it called? What's his, he's a spin. Oh, it's not magic. This is a fucking guy. I see you do this again. He's a, he's a speed reader where he like, he looks at just the whole paragraph

and then he moves on to the next paragraph. Yeah, it doesn't actually read word for word when he's like, Johnny five. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not that. You know what it is? It's okay. So I was wondering what this is gonna be like. Let's all be straight up.

Okay, let's all be honest now. Straight up. You guys know my ADD, it's a legit issue. Like, it's very hard. It's a little concern for you. Like, when we have meetings, you guys make jokes about me all the time. But, you know, we have meetings, I'm like,

it's very, very hard for me to, I have to like, stand, walk around, very, very hard. So, all right, so here's what, this little background, right? So, the book that I wrote is almost ready. It's almost ready to be sold. And the last, some of the last stuff that we need to do besides finishing the editing and a lot of stuff

is I read the book and do the audio portion. And authors usually hire somebody to read the book. Cause just cause you can write, doesn't mean you can speak and read. They're hard readers for that. They do. And there's professionals that do it. But, you know, I'm a podcaster. It would be stupid for someone to buy my book

and then not hear my voice. I'm known for my voice or, you know, for the few people that show you go. You know, it's the British guy. Right, right. You put that in your head, everybody loves the British accent. Yeah, well, this is, so I'm like, I gotta read it, right?

But this requires me, or required me to sit down. Actually, you sat in your chair, Justin. So if you're wondering why your seat is a little, smells like olive oil. Or why you have Mike's, smells like ass. That's what he was. Wow, a little bit of ass. Anyway, so I sat there.

What does that mean? And the truth. So, smells like my mom. Oh, mom, why? No, I had to sit in your chair and hold an iPad So, it smells like my mom. Oh, mom, why? No, I had to sit in your chair and hold an iPad and I read the book from 9am to 3pm straight from... Have you ever read a book in two and a half days before?

I mean, yeah, when I'm really into it, but there's so different to read a book and read it out loud into the mic a book and read it out loud into the mic or talk and do it right. And you gotta, you know, you're not, you're not just- I only gotta have ever read a book in two days. Maybe I was in here, I've been messing with you. Maybe four or five days, but two days, that's crazy.

Yeah, so and I'm, but it's straight, right? I'm reading straight, I have to, after, you know, when you're reading, you remember the person's listening to you. So not like I'm just going, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's boring, I gotta read it and talk and emphasize. And voices? Yeah, not voices.

Like characters, like when I read to my son. I remember when I trained, we have moments of threats, like little like swear words. Yeah, I remember when I trained my client Sharon and Sharon asked me, hey, Sal, what? No, I didn't do that, right? How many times, did he, how many times? Cause they, I know Doug was in here in studios.

There's somebody from the publishing company Hashtag company we're working with and he's listening in and then you'll stop me if I pronounce a word wrong Which I tend to do they got I was a red Back up My uncle asked me why I didn't write a book. I said that's why I did write it right thousand more times, please. My uncle asked me why I didn't write a book. I said, that's why I didn't write a book. Is that just gonna write your own like webster's dictionary?

Yeah, like a key that comes with you. Yeah. So, you know, stop me. Oh, you said that a little fast or you slurred your word there or whatever, or I'll do it myself. I'll read a sentence and then I'll just go back and read it over. So it was 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.

and I didn't know what to expect and never done anything like that before. And I was actually nervous because again, it's so hard to focus like that. I thought I was going to go crazy. And I was exhausted, dude, at the end of the day. I was so tired. I went home. Did you not talk when you got home? No, well, I was my kid. It was just me and the older kids.

Remember Jessica was visiting her mom. Yeah. So, but normally when I come home, I'm like going to walks with the kids, going to the park, taking them to work out. I came home and I'm like, you guys want to watch TV? Yeah, exactly. Just like, zone out. No, we're gonna relax. But no, it was great, dude.

I actually, I don't want to say I enjoyed it, but it was cool. The guy that was listening in was super cool. He loved everything I was saying, which was cool, it was very encouraging. So it was a cool experience. How often did he have to get you to say something over again? Did you mess up?

I don't know, John. How often. Would you say he had to stop me off in, or I mean, I stopped myself way more than he did. Yeah, he did occasionally, mainly for pronunciation, I would say, or like you said earlier, maybe slurring something together, jumbling some more. Yeah, because I was drunk.

Drunk with power. You know what I said wrong? What? Actually, now I don't know how to say it. Adina signed Triphosphate, ATP, right? He said, how do I say it? No, where did I just say it right? I don't know.

I also, you may have to look at that. Adina's seen. Adina's seen, Adina's seen, I think, is the right way to say it. Yeah. So you had a guy on there that knew how to say things like that? That's what he does. That's what he does.

He's like an expert at pronunciation in English. I didn't even think about that. They would have to find somebody who that's versed in like, you know, because that's, you know, right. You could pronounce a lot of things really, really well. And then you get into like, you know, supplements in the words and the chemicals and the things. And that's like my field.

So I didn't even think of that. Right. And he stopped and he goes, is that, I don't know. Are you sure that's how you say it? No, I don't know. We looked it up and you know, Google lets you hear the word, how it's supposed to be said. He was like, oh, that's wrong. Oh, wow, interesting. Yeah, so it was cool.

The guy was super awesome. As soon as we, because he's on Zoom, right? So Doug had a computer set up. I can see him. And he's muted unless he, he interjects or whatever. Did he expect you to be more buff since you wrote a book about lifting weights? Yeah, he's like, where's the guy that wrote this book?

It looks like he tried. Yeah, he said, have you read your own book? He says, yeah, you're going to work out when this book comes out so people think, no, he's in his house or whatever. And in the background, he had a big picture of Frederick Douglass, who's one of my heroes. So right away, I'm like, I like you.

I told him that, like, is that Frederick Douglass in the bag? He's like, absolutely. And then we became friends after that. But it was cool. It was fun. I'm really excited. I'm really excited for this book to come out.

It's definitely, if you're into fitness and you're a fanatic, this book is going to help you communicate, help you communicate fitness the right way. And it's the perfect thing to give someone that you've been trying to talk into communicate fitness the right way, and it's the perfect thing to give someone that you've been trying to talk into, doing things the right way. It's selling it to like your friends and family. But that's the hardest part. Effectively, and it's, of course it's about resistance training,

and so that's the whole purpose of it. Anyway, a lot of fun. It was really, really hard, I was super nervous. But we finished the day early. I remember it, I'm not surprised. I did not think that was gonna happen. I remember I was asking you before you started and what happens if you don't finish in time?

Did they just extend it? But you got it knocked out. And that's with stopping too. Yeah, wow. Yeah, that's really impressive. I'm pretty amazing. I'm pretty honest. I don't know if I want to do it again.

I love it. But anyway, hey, did you guys, this is a guy, this things are getting silly nowadays. Did you guys hear about the Mr. Potato Head? Can stop saying. Yes, I saw Connor talking about it. Okay, they got rid of Mr. They wanted to make it, sorry, I was a real laugh,

they wanted to make a gender neutral. Yeah, yeah. What? It's a potato. Yeah, okay, I had to miss a Miss Potato Head. First of all, he identifies as a Mr. That's a good point. There was a Miss Potato Head. First of all, yeah, they were rehearsed too. First of all, he identifies, that's a Mr. That's a good point. There was a Mrs. Potato.

They wanted to make it gender neutral, but he identifies as a Mr. forever since they won. Potato. And it's a potato, it's a fictional character. What the fuck? Anyway, they reversed it. They're gonna keep it Mr. Potato Head. Oh, they did.

Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's a big deal. Yeah, that's a good thing. What do you call it? Just potato head. That's what it was. That's what's a good thing. What are you called? Just put Tato head. That's what it was. That's what they were gonna do.

I thought I already went. I didn't know that they reversed it, huh? No, they reversed it. They were just talking about it. They announced it. Yeah, okay. Everybody got pissed off. Okay, they announced it.

Was it one of these things that we could be careful of where like some internet troll brought it up? I feel like all these things are trolls and then it just becomes repeated because there's a thing with like, is it true? Like Coke was hammering their employees for being too white. Yeah, I don't know.

No, you saw that. I saw that. Yeah, that has to be fake. No, that's not a real video. No, it is. No, it is not. That's called critical race theory. That is not the one that the video of the freaking bears

and then he gives them a, Oh, no, no, no, not that. That's why I thought you thought. The polar bears. Yeah, the polar bears and then he gives them a... Oh no, no, no, not that. That's what I thought you'd say. The polar bears? Yeah, the polar bears give him a coke and he says, be less white. No, no, no. That was a joke on what actually happened.

Yeah. Okay, so what really happened? So critical race theory is this... Yeah, no, I understand that. Okay. But what does that have to do with coke? It was a training course that they did for their employees and it was talking about essentially how to be less white

because being white apparently is racist according to critical race theory and it was, I mean, very racist the way it came across. Yeah. And so people were kind of up in arms about it. And- I did not know this. Yeah, the real thing, how to be less white.

I was like, what? What do you do? I was like, I see you. I need some artists. I've seen some artists making songs, so that must be why. So this just happened then. You're right, but stop it. Yeah, just just stop all this stop with all this stuff. Yeah, get a tan. Yeah, step to your don't eat mayonnaise

Oh, sorry, hey Walk right into that one. Yeah, I'll just see my way out. Did you guys read the men's health article that came out about orange theory? Oh, yeah, you showed us that boy. Yeah, I was trying I was gonna ask Doug I meant to ask him, what episode was it when we first talked about Orange Theory and the E-Pock Theory? Do you remember when that was? I'm sorry, but my memory isn't that sharp.

How far you, you know, obviously not the exact old script. But it was, it's been a long time now. He was old, I mean. It's, it was, I think it was in the hundreds. It was early. It was really early. Yeah, it was really early.

So for people who don't know, because we have a lot of listeners that came in way after that, right? You worked with the first ones in the Bay Area. You were an integral part of them. So you know the ins and outs of Orange Theory, like, you know, very well. Yeah. Right. And the first thing, and I'll never forget the first meeting, like training me that I

had, and they, in fact, and in the mental health article, they talk about this health. They came out with, you know, really pushing the epoch and the afterburn theory and that you burned all these extra calories throughout the day because you pushed really hard in your workout. And we knew about this. This got really popular.

I want to say in like the early 2000s. Yeah, because there was a study that came out that showed that, so epoch represents the Afterburn right success post-oxygen consumption. Yeah, so you burn a bunch of calories in a workout But based on how you work out your body then will burn additional calories than it normally would for hours after the workout Not just hours 24 hours, right? Yeah, and they're saying oh, this is a big deal epoch is why orange tears so effective makes you burn those extra calories that kind of stuff Yes, and so we and again The ideal epoch is why orange steer is so effective, makes you burn those extra calories, that kind of stuff. Yes.

And so again, I remember when this study went around, back, I believe it was the early 2000s when it got really popular. And, you know, we were all jumping on the bandwagon. We were all doing hit and push and circuit training, and that was a big deal. And then later on, research came out to basically poo poo the idea that it really is,

it's splitting hairs the difference. You just chasing the burn. Yeah, and most of your benefits of doing cardiovascular training happen while you're doing it, and the afterburn effect is minimal to nothing. At most. At most. Right. And I thought it was really interesting that this brand that was exploding out of, you

know, out of Florida made its way over here and is in this, the late 2000s was attaching themselves to this kind of old science And I remember being in the training and talking to all the trainers and my buddy who own the facility and you know They're touting epoch and telling everybody the afterburn effect and I'm going, you know, you guys know you got to find something to To go with their tech No, totally got to find something to face it off of it's a great to go with their tech. Totally, totally. We gotta find some of the base. It's a great sales.

Well, look at it. 273. Yeah, so in 2016, we talked about, yeah, Epoch. Yeah, 1500 now. The way, yeah, we're way, way better. The, the, the, the, men's health is slow, obviously. Yeah, I know.

Behind. Epoch is, for marketing purposes, it's brilliant, right? Because you, you, you, you start this brand, the, the method, you know, orange theory classes are hit circuit based, so what they are. So what a great way to sell your workouts to differentiate them from other workouts. Other classes burn calories, but our classes burn extra calories after the workout and in the epoch.

And going in the orange zone or whatever is what does it. So it's very, very smart marketing, but the science doesn't stack up at all. And like you said, it's more than splitting hairs. Well, and then the problem is that really, I think, bother me, and you guys too, when we talked about circuit training is the opposite of what most these people need. So that was the real problem that I had with it.

So aside from this being bad old science and attaching your entire brand around that, that's already bad as it is. And then that modality of training, just from my experience of all the clients that I've trained, I would never train them that way. It's just not ideal. Most of them need to rebuild their metabolism. Most of them are, these are the type of people that are drawn in this class, are the cardio bunnies, are the people that love to do the circuit training, love to do this on and off the wagon with their diets and it is not helping the cause whatsoever. No, and okay, this is the big conversation that it's not happening yet, but it will happen.

Hopefully, we're the ones pushing it, but even if we're not, it's going to happen. You can view exercise, you'll work out two different ways, right? One way is the calories being burned while I'm working out. The other way is, what are the adaptations that this workout is causing and then what are the side effects of those adaptations good or bad? So if your goal is to burn more calories, I can either burn them manually or I can train adaptations that will make my body burn more calories on its own. Now, obviously, one of them is way better of an approach,

especially long-term. The other one, super short-term requires a lot of time, a lot of effort, and it's not very effective. A hard one-hour workout, by the way, your cardio machines are lying to you. So if you go on cardio machine, and you do an hour, it's like you burn 900 calories, total bullshit. You're lucky if you burn an extra 500 calories

in an hour workout, if you're really going hard, right? Five, right. Five hundred calories, you're lucky. That's a lot of work, a lot of sweat, a lot of what. Now could you speed your metabolism up through training the proper adaptations, AKA building muscle, getting stronger? Could you get your metabolism to burn 500 extra calories

on its own, totally realistic. In fact, I've done that with almost every client that I've ever trained. In fact, so you know, you guys have heard me bring up the HODZA tribe before, right? Which is this, okay, so again, real quick, it's a modern hunter gatherer tribe, scientists went down and these are hunter gatherers.

They're moving all the time. In comparison to the average modern society, Westerner. They're moving way more, right? They're hunting, they're gathering, they're not watching TV, they're not on the internet, whatever. And they found, they threw some very sophisticated testing

that they didn't burn that many more calories than the average Westerner. Westerner. They just became more efficient with their bodies, adapted, and learned to do that, right? So here's another one that just came out. This just was, this was just posted in the New York Times. with their bodies adapted and learned to do that, right? So here's another one that just came out. This was just posted in the New York Times

and what they did is they studied the Amazon and they studied children who are in rural areas, who run, play, and forage for hours, versus kids that lived in the more modern societies where they sit down there on the internet, watch TV, whatever. And they said, okay, the kids who are out in the more modern societies where they sit down there on the internet, watch TV or whatever. And they said, okay, the kids who are out in the rural areas in the jungle, they're leaner, they're much leaner and more fit

than the kids in the modern societies. It's gotta be because they're constantly moving, constantly doing those activity. But what they found was, what through again through sophisticated testing, here's the creepy part, they do not burn more calories day to day. The difference was, they just eat way less calories.

They eat a lot less calories. So trying to burn your way out of obesity through manual exercise, such a losing strategy, just doesn't work. So we have to completely shift our, this is actually part of what the book is about. We have to shift our focus. Otherwise, you're not gonna succeed, obviously.

I mean, we've been hammering, burning calories manually for decades. It ain't working. Well, you just, I mean, you notice that with clients with yourself, like how quickly you get adapted to that style of training specifically, too. So a couple weeks, yeah. It's only a few weeks and then it's like,

you start getting really good at it, but then your results just stop happening. And then, you know, people think that they got to press harder and press harder and press harder, but it's, you can only go so far, and then your body starts going the opposite direction. That's right. It's why athletes do their first couple of weeks

of like hell week, they have the hell week, and they do all kinds of cardio, then their body adapts to a peak. And then the rest of the season, they don't disappear. I mean, they're still running all over the place. Or every athlete would just disappear. If using cardio as a main source of tool to burn body fat was a great way to do it,

then all athletes, all runners, would just completely melt away. It doesn't happen because the body gets very efficient at doing it. And we wouldn't be here. Okay, here's the truth. Humans would not exist if that happened, if we didn't adapt and our bodies didn't become more efficient

because the hunter-gatherer lifestyle was very active. Now you tell me as a hunter-gatherer, you drop someone in the middle of the jungle or in the wilderness, they don't know agriculture, they don't have livestock or whatever, they're hunting and gathering. Could they get an average of three to four thousand calories a day? No. They would do no way. They couldn't.

So the body learns to adapt. So the key is, how do I get my body to adapt in a favorable way, under the context of modern society? That is to train for strength, which helps speed up the metabolism. That's what you want. It's the best insurance it requires, at least the amount of work.

And here's a problem, burning lots of calories, you get results initially. So people get tricked by it, right? It goes like this, it goes real fast, and then it plateaus, and then your screen. The opposite is true with weight training. With weight training, it's a snowball effect. It starts off slow, and then it starts to ramp up, ramp up, ramp up, and in just this long-term effect starts to happen. So, that's the message that needs, but yeah, I read that article in the New York Times, I was like, man, you know,

by the way, daily activity, daily cardio still has health benefits. So I don't want people to be like, oh, it's a waste of time. It's just not a great way to burn fat, but there's still lots of health benefits from doing it. So, you know, keep it up. I think of the same thing like fasting, right? We talk about the benefits of fasting for the, you know,

relationship with food. It's not a great tool for you to use for fat loss. Yeah, absolutely. So, hey, how do you guys, how do you guys work out? It's going, these are workouts are fun with you guys. Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's been going good. Everybody's looking good. I had, so I backed off a little bit this last week.

I mean, I was with family up in Truckee, so I didn't train for about four days and I was like really low calorie. I was eating like 500 calories a day, so I wanted to drop some weight. Wow, that's hell alone. Yeah, I wanted to drop some weight. So, I told you guys, I was pushing like 236 or so,

then I came down to about 230 still, not feeling good, I just felt stiff and tight, my hips were bothering, my low back was starting to bother me, my shoulders, I was losing my mobility, and as much as I was enjoying putting size on and getting stronger and stronger, my body just doesn't, my body does not wanna be above that, and it doesn't matter how many times I try.

And I thought maybe this time around because I spent so much time on mobility for the last couple of years that I thought, oh, maybe I'll feel different when I get to that kind of way. Again, it's interesting to me that I still didn't feel good. Now, I have more mobility, like squat depth than I ever have in my life and at the size that I am. So still still positive. Yeah, right? So I'm super mobile, but my life and at the size that I am. So still positive. Yeah, right? So I'm super mobile, but my body just doesn't like that.

Doesn't like that weight. It's so I drop down again. I'm down to about 2, 24 or so and I already feel way better. What's your weight? What's your best muscular weight? Like as far as overall feeling. Oh, you mean how I feel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 215. Yeah, 215 and lean, like 215 as overall feeling, oh, you mean how I feel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Two 15, yeah, two 15 and lean, like two 15 and like nine, 10%, I feel really, really good. I feel strong at that weight. I still feel like I have got good size to me. I feel mobile, I feel lean, athletic, like that's a good, that's a pretty good weight for me. Although you guys know this, like you can be a total different version of yourself at two 15, two 22, 10. So I've been, can be a total different version of yourself

at 2.15 to 2.20 to 10. So I've been five different versions of myself at 2.15. So the weight is less important than mine. So you said 2.15, 9%. Yes. Yeah, I thought I was losing weight and then I just looked and I gained three. So I have that going for me.

It was your trainer. Yeah, yeah, fire that guy. Yeah, no, I went to Palm Desert. I got a bunch of sun, it was great. There was actually this gym that was open, the only one that's open there, this world gym. And I asked the guy, I'm like, well, how was it possible that you guys were able to stay open? And I guess they found a way around all this by, they were treating some of their clients hell that were coming in for diabetes

and they had a physician on staff. And so they kinda went more in the medical route and were able to get this certain type of a license. So the whole time with the pandemic and they've been able to stay up, I was thought that was brilliant. That's very smart. And it was great because it was funny because worlds gym and golds are a little bit more

of the meathead kind of clientele that are like really nice, but like super serious. Especially Worlds. Yes. Worlds a lot of big dudes in there like super serious. So I was like, man, you know, I'm squatting and there's some dudes putting some weight up. And so I was like, you know, got inspired and was feeling good. And I worked out a couple times and then the day came where I was doing squats and I was starting to stack some plates and it was like oh

Like I did core beforehand my core is fatigued was not bracing properly and I just totally screwed myself So I'm like working through a lot. Oh, did you really yeah? Yeah, yeah the most hardcore gym I've ever been into was a world Gold ego got me do gold used to be that way But then gold's kind of went a little bit more mainstreamish. They were still pretty hardcore, but a little more mainstreamish. World stayed. Like, I mean, I went to a world as a kid. I was like, 18, and I'm like, I'm going to go to a little world.

I love it, dude. It's like a blast from the past, you know? You get all these old dudes in there that are just at beasts. Oh, yeah. I had it, so I have a supplement question for you because lately, I've been trying to like cycle both using pre-workout on you because I've been lately, I've been trying to like cycle both using pre workout on something because I've been using more pre workout than I have in a long time So I noticed that I was so I was kind of cycling off a little bit and I was using the the red juice from organophonic

And I noticed I really like it, right? So it does obviously doesn't give me the same type of energy that I get from a you know caffeine loaded pre workout That's dimmulated free, but I get a pump from it, I get a good little energy kick from it, and I get a good workout from it. But I also noticed that it has Rodeola in it. And I know that I've tried other supplements with Rodeola, and I don't like the way I feel. Do you have any idea why it doesn't bother me in the Red Juice? I think it's the dose.

So Rodeola is, by the way, very well studied. It's one of the only stimulant, free compounds, right? So, it's not a stimulant, it's not a classic stimulant like caffeine, but it does improve exercise performance reliably. It's very, very consistent. It will improve your performance, but it is not a central nervous system. Stimulant. Now, here's a thing with Rhodiola. The dose can be very individual. So like you, if I take a high dose of Rhodiola, I feel bogged down. Yes, I feel tired.

If I take a smaller dose of Rhodiola, I feel energized. Okay. So the organified green, the red juice has, which I have it right next to me, isn't that weird? It's like I just had it right there. Hold it right out of your mouth.

It's got, it also has cordo steps in it. And it has a good appropriate dose, I would say. If you like more rodeoli, it could take a bigger dose. But it's a great, stimulant-free pre-workout. So you're going to get extra side. So here's how I recommend people do this. When they're weaning themselves off caffeine, which you should, you should wean yourself off caffeine at least once every three months, because caffeine loses its effect. It's just not. It's great. When you wean yourself off caffeine at least once every three months because caffeine loses its effect.

It's just not it's great when you wean yourself off go back on. It's amazing, but in that off period, you'll feel like shit. If you don't find something else, yes. And, you know, rodeo is a good substitute and the red juice has all that. So I'm using it that way. So I just kind of liked, whenever I catch myself, I've talked about this on this podcast, do using anything. If I find myself scaling up, scaling up,

allow myself to do that a little bit, and then when it gets to a point where it's like, okay, I'm having a pre-workout, I'm having one or two coffees, or an energy drink in a day, I'm getting too far, now come back to the other direction, and instead of just going cold turkey, I'll cut the consumption of caffeine in half,

and then I'll add something like that in there. Yeah, that's what I do. I cycle my caffeine, otherwise I just, I end up getting up to 300 milligrams for the most sensitive of all of those. Very, very, very, very. You guys can handle quite a bit more than I can. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, Justin, did you see, I would assume you saw it. Did you see the combat drones that are now getting, did you see those? No, I thought you were going to be able to cock fighting, but you're talking about this. We'll talk about that too. Uh, is combat drones, so what? They're geared up with guns.

There's a, the first, so it's a Singapore based, aerospace company, I think it is, that now they have a bunch of orders, right? It's a drone that is the first supersonic combat drone ever in production. So it flies supersonic and it's scary. Unmanned. So, you know, I'm just picturing these aerial battles

in the future with drones that are moving so fast you can't see them, and just blasting each other. So weird. This is the fear, my brother crashed and broke my... What? Yes. Those things are hard to crash though. Oh, we can just have to go manual when you're up at...

Yeah, well, so the one, the big one that we have for work is hard to crash crash because it has all the sensors But I have the little Mac the DJI Mac mini which is dope, right? I love that thing and I let him fly it by we're up there and he's I was showing him like yeah, it's really cool It's stabilized here and I'm like here take it just hand it over to him And he's like we're both watching the screen wise flying it and he's just like man this thing so cool And I was like caught up watching the screen, why he's flying it? And he's just like, man, this thing's so cool. And I was like, caught up watching the screen. And I look up to try and find it.

I get lost in the sun, I can't really see it. And he's like, then also to hear this, and he flies it into the tree, bro. Into the tree comes down and just explodes. No. Yeah, you can't save it, dude. Cannot save it whatsoever. It's painful. But he felt, bro, he felt so bad. I just let, you can't save it, dude. Can't not save it whatsoever. It's painful.

But he felt so, bro, he felt so bad. I just, I probably had to toy, really. You know what I'm saying? So he ordered me a brand new one, like, right away on the spot. And he's like, oh my God, I feel so terrible. They're fun, man. They are. And the technology's crazy on those.

Dude, that's like when we were in Tahoe, and like Eli had just got the drone. He was gonna do this whole aerial footage of like the house and everything, and I'm out there. I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool. And it's like, it just got the drone. He was gonna do this whole aerial footage of like the house and everything and I'm out there. I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool. And then it's like, it just caught a left. He couldn't turn it right anymore. Just, near, exploded.

Yeah, that's the problem with those things. Is there, they're not built like real, because they have to be so lightweight, right? So they're not built like really sturdy. And I thought maybe it would be like, I was like, oh, maybe I'll just hit the branches on the way down and it'll be salvageable or it'll be like, you know, like explode.

Have you seen people who, because you know, like there's, it's like wasps nests can be really hard to take down. Yeah. So there've been people with a little, that will put a flame thrower on the throne. This is like my area. Yeah, and they'll do like higher need to do this.

I'm getting on the bed, pure joy. They'll flame thrower, yeah, lighting these fuckers on fire. I love it, it's so awesome. Like hire me to do this Get on the bed pure joy The flame from Liding these fuckers on fire I love it, it's so awesome How have you guys not brought I can't believe this podcast I don't know what we 20 minutes deep into this And you guys have not

Brought up the UFO flying over the airplane And it's oh shit, I barely read this Yeah, I know, I just I'm sure you dorks From a commercial airline, right? Yes, that had reported it And they have them recording it, and then they had multiple other people.

Well, it's happened every day now, you know? I swear, there's like UFO sightings all over the place, man. They're preparing us. It's, yeah. Yeah. Well, I told you, guys, like if you actually like listen to that whole episode of Bob Lazar. I listen to a bunch of it with you, remember, in the car.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I just liked how, you know, he was able to kind of break down a lot of the science behind the reactor and everything. Just who knows whether or not that's like how everything works, but it's just interesting to hear like a scientist try to explain what was unexplainable. Yeah, it's weird that we're getting all these sightings all of a sudden.

It seems like a cholesterol. So I'm not, or we've had them and then they haven't reported it. I'm still not so, I just think that we're getting all these sightings, all of a sudden. It seems like a cluster of... So I'm not, or we've had them, and then they haven't reported it. I'm still not so, I just think that we don't, we don't know what like, the CIA is built. Like, I mean, think how far ahead we were with like the stealth bomber and stuff like that. That thing was created like 20, 30 years ago

and was revealed to anybody else. So if we had, if we had that... It was inspired by something. Yeah, but if we had that technology back then, what do you think we have today? And what do you just talk about drones that can fly like light speed and lasers? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no of these UFOs like from an archaeological dig. So it's ancient. It's like ancient.

Yeah. I was like, dude, that sounds like a Steven Spielberg. Yeah, that's their crappy tech. Yeah. Oh, you found our phase one. Yeah. Yeah. We're at phase 5,000 now.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't have to think about it all, but it is cool. It's interesting, whatever, but. I like the theory that aliens are just humans from the future, and they're so different. And they came, they come back to study it. That's what I like. I like the theory that aliens are just humans from the future and they're so different and they come back to study it. That's what I like that theory. That's kind of interesting. It's a very egotistical one.

There's no aliens just. Yeah, there's that one and then there's some kind of like biological robots, right? So like if you're gonna travel and traverse like to different galaxies, like it's probably gonna be pretty difficult to do that with the human form. Yeah. Well, that's a good end.

That's an interesting thing. You guys have all these really interesting theories. Wow, I mean, she's doing it. We like to talk about it. I'm into it. It's a good time. The multiverse and all that. Yeah, Doug, did you pull up a picture of the drone?

I want the guys to see it. You guys gotta see this thing. It looks crazy. It's like a black dart. Wow. And it's totally smooth. You guys gotta see this thing. It looks crazy. It's like a black dart. And it's totally smooth and they're gonna arm this thing. So here's the question I have. This is like something out of a Marvel movie. Well, okay, so here's a question, okay.

War has always included humans and there's always been the cost of which has been human life. We go to war, people die, right? What's it gonna be like if we go to war? Because if it's easy to sell, we're gonna go to war, people die, right? What's it going to be like if we go to war? Because if it's easy to sell, we're going to go to war, but don't worry, we're not going to, no one's going to die because of this. Don't you have this going to be, yeah, there's going to be casualties all over the place because of, you know, them fighting inevitably, they're going to shoot. Don't you remember, my predicted, like my theory, my theory was that it's like, you know, like a video game is the way we'll

fight, like you have a problem with another country. It'll almost, you know, like a video game is the way we'll fight. Like, you have a problem with another country. It'll almost be like, you step into a video game and you play them like a video game. Yeah, but okay, so first. And the only casualties are blown up drones and things like this. Okay, so yes, so here's the question I have. You're, we're going to war with another country.

All right, let's all launch our autonomous shit. You got your tanks, we got our tanks, we got our drones. All right, let's hit the button, let's see who wins. Now we lose. They're like, okay, cool, we're gonna take over your country. You think we're gonna be like, yeah, let's do that. That's like it happened. No, we're gonna, now we're gonna face tuna.

Yeah, just like, now let's put human. No, it's interesting, because they've had a drone, like, you know, in the Air Force, right? So they've had, like, they have to suit up, they have to like treat it like they're actually, you know, in the cockpit of it, in order to like make it seem still real, because you could get, I think they're actually in the cockpit of it in order to make it seem still real. Because you could get, I think they're worried about that,

I don't know if it's cognitive dissonance or whatever, where they're disassociated with what's actually happening because they're far away from it, playing it like a video game. I read an article about that, that these drone pilots are suffer from PTSD, right? Because they live in Arizona, they drive to the base, they plug in, they're bombing real people.

Yeah, they're flying a drone and then they kill, you know, two terrorists and three bystanders, but oh, they saw that there was a woman or a child there or whatever. And then they go home through the wife. And it's hard for them to switch gears like that, knowing that they just bombed and killed someone.

Right. You know, this kind of shit is a general's dream, right? Because as a general, when you're ordering your soldiers to do something terrible, you don't want no questions, you don't want no hesitation. When it's a machine, you know, go just kill everybody. They're just, okay, yes sir, everybody's dead. It's gonna be weird, dude.

Well, yeah, again, this goes back to my original, like, I'm just worried about like, who's thinking about morals anymore. What's happening with these chimeras and all this biological science and stuff that people are just like, because we can't do it, we're doing it. And the same thing now, we're looking at war differently. It's like, oh, let's just let the machines do all our bidding. What do you think is going to happen when it's just the machines doing all the shit?

Then they take over. Come on. We see that in Terminator. Yeah. Hey, talking about morals of weirdness. Let's talk about the clock now. So, so here, do you rate inserted dick jokes? So, so you know, you guys know clock fighting, right? They have roosters. They fight each other. Oftentimes they put extra blades on their I had an uncle that was a world champion. We were about this. Oh my gosh Yeah, you are so country, bro

Yeah, but when the Philippines though, it's like real like in the Philippines. It's like super bowl Like I mean you go to a stadium. They have a big screen TV. There's replay like it's put them on steroids and shit It's crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely no you You have you train them you train them and you you feed them steroids during their training and they have boxing gloves that you put them on You so you spar with boxing gloves and you pump them full steroids for months leading up to the fight and then you put on the blades when it's time to fight So a man was training his rooster put three inch inch blades on him, and the fucking rooster killed him. Oh, whoa. Yeah, dude, he got killed by his rooster.

Which by the way, that's standard. That's what it, that's the blade. They look like this. They're about this, they're about this long, and they, they, they put three of them on their, on each of their feet. So, so here's what happened. So during cock fighting training,

the rooster stabbed the owner in the groin, and then, oh my god. And then he bled to death Blood right story got even worse. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, man. He went after the wrong cock But don't yeah, is that a true story or is it just set up? No, it's a true story really yes wow Yeah, where was that at? This was I don't know was it here in the US? I don't know where is it is in the US? I don't know. Is it even legal?

No, it's illegal here, but it's legal other places. Well, I saw in Spain, I know this is probably 2016 though, like one of the ad- India doors got gored to death like in front of everybody in on live TV. Oh, gosh, man. Which is insane, but it's like, that's the thing. Like, that can happen and they know that can happen at some point. Like, the odds are going to be against you and you know, you're fighting, it's a wild animal, see you later.

Yeah, and roosters are aggressive from what I've heard, right? Adam, you would know, you're hell of aggressive. Oh yeah, no, no, they're mean little suckers. Really? Yeah, yeah, they're real mean. Oh man. Especially if you train them to be mean. I mean, they're trained to just do that. They get, they're pinned up, and then when they're let out,

it's to fight. And then they breed them too, right? Because you have a champion rooster. And then that's what you can sell them for a huge money. So if you have, just like anything else, if it's got a bloodline of like, it's been a, you know, three generations of champions bred with another one that's a gladiator of chicken. Yeah, then you can sell the, you can sell the cock for, you know, 10, 15 grand, you know, most expensive chicken you'll ever buy.

They have funny names and stuff, because now they name like, you know, like, race horses, weird shit. No, my, I'm not. I'm not a narrator. I'm trying to remember if my uncle had any names. Kentucky fried fucker.

Yeah, dude. You know what, though, the trophy's like real, it was like six foot trophy, it was massive. What? Yeah. What a weird thing to be proud of, though. But yeah, in other countries, it's a big deal though. Like, here, it's like that's weird and it's fun.

It's super frowned upon. Yeah, no big time. But over there, man, it's a big deal. He's like famous when he goes there, gets pictures taken, and people want him signing autographs and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh my God, that's hilarious.

I know, and that's funny. Oh, I got another article. That's pretty fun. I don't clucky love. You were thinking for a while. I was trying to answer you as I was slow. Okay, so this is a study that, so Science Daily I've talked about this many times.

Great place to find a bunch of studies and this is like endless studies. If you're a total nerd, you can go on here and just have a great time. At some time I'll spend hours on this. But check this out, right? So they did a sewage study. So they went around different countries,

studied the sewage to find which countries use the most drugs, because you know, some of it comes out to be, okay? So the number one study, the number one countries for drugs, for drugs, for just drug, especially for designer drugs, was US. Of course, US was the first place to come on. The Netherlands, Australia Australia and New Zealand, they're consuming the highest amounts of designer party drugs.

Do you have that with designer party drugs, are by the way? Yeah, what does that mean? Is that MDMA or? No, that's not it. I know designer party drugs are drugs that were created to be gray market, right? They weren't explicitly illegal. But they are now, by the way, a lot of them are now.

But they would create them to be like gray markets so that they could sell them. And the way they get away with it was they would sell them as research chemicals. So you buy them and it would say something like, not for human consumption, you know, wink, or they'd sell it as bath salts. Remember the bath salt situation? Well, yeah, all of that. Yeah. So you go to these head shops.

Turn people into zombies and Florida. I know. I heard about that, right? That was great. So the US people in the zombies in Florida. I know, I heard about that, right? That was great. So the US, those first place in consuming. What are some examples that I don't know any other designer drug party drugs? Well, methadrome was one of them,

very, very similar in effect. What is that? It was very similar in effect to MDA. MDA. Oh, okay. Yeah, so very similar in effect to MDA. I don't remember the real number. Would this be, would this include like salvia and things like that. No salvia is an art of the Yeah, designer drugs are literally created in a lot of the counter

What about the fake the fake marijuana that was popular that would be a designer. Okay. Yeah. What was that called? I don't remember what it was spice or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, we are like I don't get that by the way You're gonna use a fake weed that could kill you It has a lot of effects. Yeah, but're like I don't get that by the way you're gonna use a fake weed that could kill you A weight of facts. Yeah, but is that real weed? I mean, is it any more different than people that are doing all the fake steroids stuff? Would you give me all the signers and stuff? And arms and things like that?

Arms is a dude. Arms are, arms is even getting bigger now. Okay, can I take some? Hasn't slowed down. I was doing, so I'm gonna interview John Romano soon and John Romano for those who don't know this guy's like the expert on all the weird stuff out there. He's like a walking almond hat. Yeah, steroids, growth hormones,

and all the designer stuff, he's worked with top athletes. He's been rhyming about this stuff for years. So in preparation, I've been reading a lot about Psalms, so all I did was go on Google and look up Psalms and read them, and there's, by the way, there's so many different Psalms that are out there now, right? And Psalms for people who don't know, these are selective androgen receptor modulators.

Essentially, they're drugs designed to activate the androgen receptor just like testosterone would, but the goal is to have minimal side effects. So it gives you anabolic effects, minimal side effects, but we'll talk about the side effects later on. Yeah, right. Anyway, so I've been doing research on that. I go on Facebook and I'm getting hit with hell of ads for Sarm, on Facebook.

Wow. These are supplement companies and they're selling them like supplement bottles. Wow. I mean, it's blatant. It's a matter of time before they get cracked down on for sure. Oh yeah. Because it's getting crazy.

I'm literally like buying supplements if you go online right now. Well, I mean, I, okay, so I part of me gets it, right? Cause we talked to the day about supplements as a young teenage boy and like, I would try anything that was considered, you know, quote unquote legal. So I would be more likely to try some

sarm than a steroid. Yeah, sarm than a steroid, which is backwards thinking, just because we have way more research on steroids than we have these made up chemicals. testosteroneosterone itself, especially for men, very non-toxic. We know what it does. We know what it doesn't do. Sarms, they're research. They're not even FDA approved yet. We don't know exactly what the long-term effects are. It's just so easy to get. Yeah, because I can literally go on the internet. Well, it's not illegal. That's why. And that's why it's so popular. Cause you remember what it was like being a 17 year old boy and if someone told you, you know, oh, I gotta take this

injectable steroid or I can buy this pill over the counter. For sure. I would have done it. Yeah. No, I would have fell for fell prey to it also. Yeah. So anyway, do. And by the way, I want a little, little shout out to one of our sponsors, Pelia Valley. You ruined all beef jerky for me completely. I can't even. Yeah, I had some that's like a super dry and like chewy. Like I had some over the weekend. We were doing a hike.

And thankfully I found a couple. I stole some just so you guys know it was me from the back. I figured, yeah, I stole like a whole bunch of them, but like I used them for a hike and it's, dude, it's such a stark difference and it's like, it holds the moisture in. It's just, they're exactly, it's like you're eating grass-fed meat, they're not dry as hell.

Well, that's comparing it to like regular beef turkey, too. If you find like other grass-fed organicky, but it's super dry. It's rough. Yeah, I mean, I think it's better than any of the other beef jerky products that are out there. It's especially better than anything that is like that. I mean, anything that is organic and grass fed, that is way. Yeah, my kids love it.

My kids are... They're the spicy ones, the jalapeno ones. Your kids? Yeah, no. It's weird. Yeah, I'm the summer sausage guy, but, you know, that's obvious. What's your favorite flavor? Yeah, summer sausage.

Oh, my bad, I'm third time with summer sausage. jalapeno. Yeah. Yeah. Your mind is just wow, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What are you gonna do? Yeah, what are you gonna do? Anyway, one more thing about the training. I didn't forget to say this about the workouts don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it.

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Yeah, you just try to copy all my shit. You deal some of the silly moves. And then I'm like, oh, this isn't so silly. I like this. You like those kick cars? Is that a Ferrari? Yeah. Oh, no way.

It sounds like a Honda. No, it's a, we were talking about the value of following a pre-written program, even for guys like us, because I just probably is so hard for me not to navigate to heavy lifting. It's so hard for me not to just see what I can do. But with the low reps, I know.

It's just like you get drawn back in and you just think that I should have done a lot of prepping going back into heavy lifting and just boom, I'm right into it. And then I feel like pay the price. Still much like a lift. It's the same way I feel about tracking food very similar. It's the same thing. Can you intuitively live?

Can you intuitively eat? Yeah, absolutely. And I think most of the time you should. I think it's a healthy way to kind of live. I think it's a healthy way to train too. I don't think you need to be following a program. I know that's kind of counter, but we sell programs. That's how we make this business work.

But it's true. I think if you're at a certain level level that it's healthy for you to break free and kind of in free flow every now and then, but there's tremendous value in revisiting that. So even if you are somebody who's really advanced, you know nutrition really well, you know programming really well, even for someone like me, when I go back to tracking

or go back to following a program, I always see great benefit. And I did use that new, what's that bar called? Is it a safety bar? Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And then the curved one, is that a buffalo bar Is it a safety bar? Yeah, that's great. Yeah. That is great. And then the curved one, is that a buffalo bar

or a bison bar? I don't know, I always get confused between two. Yeah, no, because yeah, the bison bar, yeah, I've always been confused because there's one, two that goes down. Yeah, it's like this and that. Yeah, I thought that's called an earthquake. Oh no, earthquake bar is the one that's the one that's

the one that's like the bamboo. It's the one that flies. It's the one that's got the bamboo. No, it's the curved one that goes down, just comfortable on your back. I feel like that's a bison bar. I think it is. But the safety bar is like a front squat

and a back squat combined. I love that one. Yeah, and I did both like crazy on Friday, and I'm just, I love them. Absolutely love them. This squat is brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance

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And the target heart rate zone, you want to stay in so that you burned. God forbid you like move a little bit. Yeah, you want to burn body fat. If you go under the target heart rate, you're not doing much. And if you go over it, you're burning muscle. Yeah, yeah. And so we would see, and it was really just a sale. I'm guilty of using that like crazy.

Well, I didn't know though. I believed everything. Yeah, exactly. I didn't trainers that crazy. Well, I didn't know though. I believed everything. Yeah, exactly. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

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This was like maybe a few years later, and I said, hmm, if I train in my, because heart rate is not super high in ten six, not low in ten six, it's also so moderate. It's kind of somewhere in the middle, right? And what they, when you look at the studies, what they show is a greater percentage of calories come from fat in a particular zone,

by the way, as a super general, because it's very different from person to person, but within a certain zone, you burn a greater percentage of calories from fat. Now the percentage difference isn't that big. It's like five more percent, right? But we sold it anyway. But then I did the math and I said, if I trained at moderate intensity, and I burn 300 calories and 50% I'm making up a number, but let's say 50% came from fat, that's 150 calories from fat.

If I trained at a higher intensity, and I train at, and I burn, let's say 450 calories, but only 49% or 48% of my calories come from fat, still burning more fat. Right. And then, of course, when you really learn about calories and versus calories out, it doesn't matter. In fact, if you fast and do cardio,

a greater percentage of your calories will come from fat from stored fat. But then if you eat later, it doesn't matter. It all bounces out. So really, at the end of the day, it doesn't make a big difference. Now, what is your theory on somebody, let's say, let's take like a competitor, for example,

who is hovering and know, hovering and they're coming in their final three or four weeks, they are sitting around four, five percent body fat, extremely lean. And they have been low calorie for the last three, four weeks. So they've been in a debt, they're constantly in a deficit right now, who's their leaning out for a show. Is it more advantageous for this person to do high intensity cardio for 30 minutes to an hour versus like walking for 30 minutes to an hour?

I think, and I would love to hear your opinion now because you're obviously competed, but you know, instinctually what I would say is it depends on how depleted and how stressed the person is. If they're going into competition, they're probably super dieted, they've been dieted for a while, they're 4% 5% body fat.

A lot of high intensity cardio probably would overwhelm their system and wouldn't make them look or feel good. And here's a thing with 4% body fat, a couple pounds of water, it looks like you gained 3% body fat. It's such a big difference. I mean, what's your opinion? So that's my theory, and I would walk, right? So I was a little low.

You go low. Yeah, because I'm already, the only time that you would catch me doing any sort of intense cardio is if I was coming from a very fed state, if I was high calorie, and I was still trying to burn off a lot of calories, so I didn't put on a bunch of extra body fat or any, you have additional calories,

I'm trying to burn additional calories. But when I am in that much of a deficit, and I've been that low, and I know that I'm that highest dress, my theory is that, okay, if the body's got so low of body fat percentage as it is and I'm trying to shave the last bit of it, I have no, I have no stored energy because I've been depleted for the last three or four days in a row. If I go out and do something extremely intense, this is where my body would probably tap into and utilize muscle because it doesn't have a lot of resources and I'm stressing the fuck out of it. So my thought process is, okay, in that state, it makes sense for somebody to

use like low intensity or target heart rate type of training and only in that. Anybody else, you got a client who's 20 pounds overweight or above, which is most people that's trying to lose weight. It's a calorie game where we want to get as low, get as calories as we possibly can during this period. I just look at it as another one of those gimmick things that they're going to hold on to just like we mentioned earlier about epoch. I've actually seen a lot of circuit training type of franchises like back in the day trying to organize their entire workouts and everything around this fat burning zone and really trying to make sure everybody kept, you know, their heart rate down and they didn't want to go too rigorous,

they wanted to kind of pull people back up and just maintain this. But yeah, for the most part, it was like, you know, at the end of the day, like you'd said, it's a wash, like whatever, you know, your calorie intake is and then your calorie burned the end of the day is for everybody else. It is for most people, for the average person. you'd say it's a wash, like whatever, you know, your calorie intake is, and then your calorie burned the end of the day, as well as you're eating. It is for everybody else. It is for most people, for the average person. Right, like everybody, like you're talking about the 1% that is-

Yeah, when you get down to 4% body fat, like every little thing can make you look different. This is the big difference is, how is it gonna make you look and feel on stage? And again, if you're 4% body fat, I've gotten down as low as 5, and I know that I could look like I gained 3% body fat just because my body was holding water.

That doesn't happen at 12% body fat. You can't tell. And my theory is this is that the body always wants to utilize sugar first as fuel, right? It wants to use that first as the primary source. But if you've been running low and you don't have any of that as a source, the next primary source is fat. If you don't have any of that as a source, the next primary source is fat.

If you don't have very much of that, and then in addition to that, you push the body really hard, my thought is the body will adapt and pare down muscle in that situation. So in that situation, you are stressing the body, you don't have very much, you have no stored energy and fuel, you've got very little fat as fuel in there, you're already in this thin line, and then you're pushing it by the addition, it's going to pair down, muscle. Yeah, well, I know a lot of people that think that you get all depleted or they'll do fasted cardio

and then they'll eat a lot later. Yeah, and it's just like, it's a wash. No, here's the way you should view cardio. View cardio, the two different ways. One, for health. So, okay, I'm gonna do this for health, in which case, do the form of cardio that you enjoy the most, because you're the most likely to stay consistent doing the one you

enjoy the most. Don't worry about all these nuances and splitting hairs. If you're doing cardio for health, which is a great reason to do it, just do what you enjoy. So if you like hiking, there's your cardio, you like swimming, there you go, you like to row, there's your cardio, you like to do salsa dancing, there's your cardio. If you're, here's the other way to look at it, it's for athletic performance. If cardio is for athletic performance, if you're an athlete and you're doing it

to improve your VO2 max or your performance, then you can start to really program it, right? If I want to maximize my VO2 max, then it's much, I gotta be much more specific with the kind of training that I do. Other than that, that's it, that's's much, I gotta be much more specific with the kind of training that I do. Other than that, that's it. It's pretty much it.

For 99.9% of people listening, everything else don't worry about. If it's for health, just do your favorite type and you'll be totally fine. Well, this is a performance gets specific. This is another reason why I'm like a fan of like, you know, slow jog or a walk for your source of kind of cardiovascular training is because that it's more sustainable. Yeah. If you or somebody who gets into the like, I'm going to go get the stairmaster for an hour and just be drenched in sweat and kill yourself.

Yeah, you might have some motivation for a few months leading up to Vegas or that wedding or whatever like that, but the likelihood that you're going to maintain this stairmaster for an hour really intense every single day for the rest of your life is very low. But you know what? I can most certainly discipline myself to walk for an hour. Like that's not hard. Whatever you enjoy. Right, exactly.

Next question is from Nicholas Costa 3517. How should one train and glow grow the gluteus medius? Okay, so let me some side butt. That's what I was gonna say. So the gluteus medius is the side butt and from an aesthetic standpoint, right? From aesthetics meaning just how good your butt looks. The side butt really is important.

It gives you that round, that bubble butt. Rotund looking butt. And you can definitely develop your glutes and neglect the side butt. And then you end up with kind of a long butt. It doesn't get, you don't have that nice roundness to your butt. Which by the way is mostly genetic, right?

So the origin and insertion really dictates what someone's but that's why some people have this like great little bubble butt that didn't do anything for it was natural. But that doesn't mean that if you have a long origin and insertion that you can't create the illusion that you have a bubble butt by training it and doing things like we're talking about right now. I personally found so there's lots of exercises like the Good Girl bad girl machines

or doing like side planks or walking side lunges or whatever, there's lots of exercises that target that muscle specifically. I've had the most success teaching Sumo deadlifts. I'm having people push the legs out. Yes, Sumo deadlifts, when you have to open up your stance and you externally rotate your feet, it turns that muscle on.

And then you're loading the bar and you're lifting heavy weight. Nothing I have seen has grown but more sidebutt than that exercise particularly, which I think it's funny because right now there's a thing going around Instagram right now of like anybody who says sumo deadlifts for the butt is a good exercise is ridiculous. It's not, I think that's ridiculous.

I think it's not in my experience of training hundreds of different people on this exercise for this purpose. I felt that's been one of the best games. I like it. Frog pumpers are good too. It's like a hip thrust, but where your knees are open and you're pushing with something. Yeah, but the problem with those, it's body weight.

And you can't load them. Yeah, exactly. And what's gonna build a lot of muscles, and I feel like a lot of women do stuff like that already. So that's why the sumo deadlift was so, I had so much success with it. So I understand that too, right? So if someone's never done a frog pump before,

you've never done like tube walking. Lateral tube walking. Yeah, lateral tube walking. Those are all great exercises that target that muscle specifically, but you're not loading it. If you wanna grow that muscle, you want to load that muscle. And one of the best ways to do that is sumo deadlis.

Yeah, yeah, everything else is complimenting. Yeah, here's another one that I like. And Justin actually does these quite often. So I know we tease him about as, but maybe why? Side walking, but dragging a sled. Oh, yeah. So there's another great one. Now you're going laterally, but you're loading it, right?

And this is such a great exercise because here's, so the sled is so underrated as a tool for building muscle. One of the things I love about the sled is you could load the shit out of it and you're mainly focusing on the positive portion of the rep. There is no negative, right? Now why is this a good thing?

I thought the negative built muscle. Here's why. Because you're not doing the negative, you could do a lot more volume with minimal damage. So you could do your normal leg workout, throw a bunch of slag drives on there and not hammer your body like you did other exercises, but you still load a lot. I'm not counting the amount of steps I'm taking. Yeah. Just trying to get to a place and inevitably I'm doing more reps than I would of say I had to come back into my state

where I'm like doing a side lunge and like proper myself back. I'm just grinding my way through. So yeah, it's a great exercise. That's another great exercise. It's great and you cross overstepping, right? You cross overstepping sideways with a loaded sled and get strong at it, like get really strong.

See how much you could pull for 10 feet or 15 feet and you will build the sidebar. I also find a lot of single leg stuff is great for this because that muscle is also responsible for having stabilized the hip. So if you're doing a lot of single leg exercises, single leg deadlift, lunges, Bulgarian split squats, if you do a lot of single leg work, the glute meat gets worked a lot too because it's helped stabilizing the hip in that position. Next question is from Heather Kovacs. What supplements are worth spending big money on, and which ones can I save on?

Okay, so I went full circle with this as a supplement, a fanatic, as a kid. Taking supplements for a long time, at some point I started to just look at the ingredient and then the lowest price and I'm like, it's the same. This one's way, that one says way, this one says, Cratee, this one says, whatever, that one says, so I'm just gonna go with the cheapest price.

Here's a deal with the supplement market. It is largely market regulated. Okay, so there's very few regulations in the supplement market for standards. I'm not complaining, by the way, I love this. I love market regulations. We get to pick what we want to buy and what we like. It also, it really helps with innovation and supplements. So, my supplement market is constantly changing and evolving. That being said, if your number one priority with supplements is the cheapest price, you're going to end up with shitty products. For sure.

And consider this. Here's what you should spend the money on, or worth spend money on. Supplements you take daily. If you take it daily, then go for quality. Here's why. This happened recently by a, it was like a couple years ago. There was a huge consumer report that came out, where they actually took a bunch of protein powders.

And they found a bunch of them were like exceptionally high in heavy metals. Heavy metals build up in your system or way low on the protein that it said it had. And that and that and that's actually protein spiking was a big thing. They did or actually companies were putting it's a 25 grams of protein per serving, but in reality, it's like 10 grams of protein. But then they add the amino acids that get tested later to show that it has more. So you think you're taking 30 grams of protein per serving, but in reality, it's like 10 grams of protein, but then they add the amino acids that get tested later to show that it has more. So you think you're taking 30 grams of protein, you're only taking 10 or 15. But I spent, you know, say $5 on this bucket of protein.

Right. Quality is super important. Number one, you want to make sure that it has what it says it has. Good companies will have third party testing. Number two, you definitely don't want to be taking something you don't know because like the heavy metals problem, that can become neurotoxic. So here you are, you're healthy, you're fit,

you're taking your supplements, you think you're doing everything, and then you start getting weird symptoms. You can't figure out what's going on. Why do I feel like shit, I work out, I eat right. Why am I getting tingling in my fingers? Why am I anxious all of a sudden? You have no idea that your health supplement was poisoning you.

There's a lot of that with feelings from the dentist, like using specific types of metals. Oh, mercy, Rick, yeah. But yeah, the protein powder one was a big one. And guess what, the ones that were the worst were the vegan organic ones that they found a lot of them. Yeah, because of the pesticides they used were...

The other thing you could save money on, I think that's, I think that's been blown out of proportion right now is the creatines. The creatine market, because so much research has come around that and we all agree that it's the best, if not created all these different versions. Exactly. Now everybody's adding, because it drove the price down, which is great, right?

So it's made basic, old, plain, creatine, pretty cheap to get a hold of, but because of that, there's terrible margins in it. So supplement company's like, okay, let's add this now to say it's better, it's faster absorbing or let's add this. This is creatine fizzes when you put in your water. Yeah, do this one so you get recovery added with it. So they start adding all these other things and then selling the added benefits or why their creatine is better.

So one of the ways you could save a ton of money is don't buy into all the hype around other types of creatine, get plain ass. Creatine monohydrate. Yes. That's the one that has all the studies. It's the one that shows that it works the best. It's the one in comparison with others.

It has the greatest absorption. All the other Crate Team versions are a waste of extra money. Some of them are fine. And it's really hard to pixie dust, right? So there's a lot of pixie dusting in the supplement industry where you add, because you have so much stuff,

and you don't realize how much of this stuff that you want in that supplement isn't really in there. When it's just purely Crate Team on Hydrate, that's all there is. That's what's in there. So what you get, what you read on it is what you get. Yeah, there was a supplement back in the day. I'm going to talk to all the older lifters listening right now.

There was a supplement called Hot Stuff back in the day. Do you remember Hot Stuff? You remember that bottle? Vagely remembered. Okay, so it was called Hot Stuff and the reason why it was popular, apparently they changed the formula. Apparently the original one was, people loved it. But anyway, Hot Stuff was popular because in the ingredients,

it had every single new and cool supplement in the bottle. Just threw it all in. Everything. So you'd, you'd buy it and you'd be like, oh my God, this has, it's got, you know, smilax, it's got, you know, hymbi, it's got salpolmeto, it's got, you know, it's got, ecti sterone, it's got, and literally it would be this ingredient list

that was like a hundred things long. But what you don't is it's they put like you know, it's like you know Two particles of a sprinkle yeah in there and then they can say that they have it in there if they actually did really was just an expensive Protein powder. Yes, spend money on quality food next question is from JJ for red How do you stay motivated when you've reached most of your natural potential? Okay, so here's the problem is that you are attaching what drives you to work out to the progress and results you get in the gym. Now, there's nothing wrong with valuing progress and results and measuring them because it's a great way to know whether or not what you're doing is good or not, but it's obviously a failing long-term solution because, you know, let's say strength

is something that I'm always after. I'm not gonna keep getting stronger. If that were the case, I've been working out since I was 14. I should be able to deadlift, you know, 10,000 pounds by now. But that's not the case, right? At some point, you're gonna hit certain limits

and your body's not gonna continue to progress. And if that's all I cared about, I would stop working out. I wouldn't wanna work out. Well, this person has to work on their body image issue. It's no different than the person who is really obese that's chasing being happy through losing weight. And then they get there and they lose weight

and they're still not happy with themselves. You're chasing these, you've reached your potential of maybe building muscle or looking a certain way and yet you still feel unsatisfied. And you're in the same rat race as that person who's obese that's trying to lose weight to be happy is you've got to be happy with who you are and what you still feel unsatisfied. And you're in the same rat race as that person who's obese that's trying to lose weight to be happy is you gotta be happy with who you are

and what you live right now. That's a body image issue. I would say you're working out, value it for all the other things. The things that will always, you know, pay you dividends, right? So what's always gonna pay you dividends with your workouts? I'm taking care of myself.

You're always taking care of yourself if you work out properly. It's time to myself. I'm taking care of myself. You're always taking care of yourself if you work out properly. It's time to myself. I'm present. I enjoy the challenge. And can you challenge yourself with your workouts to the day you die? Absolutely.

It keeps me mobile. It prevents me from major illness. Or if I do get ill, it makes me more resilient. Is that always gonna be true? Yes. If you focus on those things, then if it's always about results, yeah, at some point you're screwed.

Well, you can also switch directions too. Like if he's referring, or I don't know if he or she, if they're referring to their aesthetic potential or their strength potential, well then switch to mobility. Or a lot of other pursuits out there. Yeah, or training for you. Yeah, or train something that you never lived.

Yeah, one's the last time you got really good at Turkish get ups, you know, or when it was the last time you've done an exercise you've never done before and got really good. One's the last time you decide, hey, I'm gonna get really good at pull ups. Like, I think the way we've stayed motivated for all these years is constantly changing my goal. It cannot be always about aesthetics.

It cannot always be about strength. It cannot always be about mobility. It's important to move in and out all those things. Some of you like to me just speaks of their comfortable right now. Whatever they've done, they've been doing it, and they're glad to see progress where they've made it, but now it's like they're comfortable. What do I do now? I've hit what I wanted to do, but you know, you got to keep challenging yourself, you got to keep moving in different directions. There's so many different ways the body can benefit from you training it, learn a new skill,

go in a completely different direction, that's just hard. And so you're looking for some advice to form back into your original goal, but you gotta go away from your goal. And also be fair with your comparisons, like compare yourself to yourself. And then if you wanna compare yourself to others, at least be know, compare yourself to yourself. And then if you want to compare yourself to others, at least be fair and compare yourself to people in your age group, for example, like,

if I'm 60 and I'm working out and I'm constantly comparing myself to fit 30-year-olds, it's not very fair, but if I look at other 60-year-olds, I mean, I trained a lot of people in advanced age and it was remarkable to me. And of course, it's easier to observe people, other people than it is yourself. When you're doing it yourself, your ego gets in the way and you can be a little bit skewed. But as a trainer, it's one of the things I love about training people, it allowed me to be objective

by looking at other people and then I'd reflect it back on myself. So I had these clients that were in their 70s who were consistent with their workout. I had one guy that I trained that had been working out since he was 30 consistently, always. By the time I was training was his late 60s and then early 70s, he was very fit. But man, when you compared him to the average 70 year old, he was on another planet. I mean, the average 70 year old would have trouble walking up

a 30-hill or whatever. That guy could run up that hill. He could do all kinds of super mobile. He's going to be mobile and independent till the day he dies. So that's a little bit more fair. But looking at you, you know, oh, man, I can only bench press, you know, 200 pounds and that 30-year-old over there is bench pressing 250 pounds. Like, you know, your 55, why don't you look at other 55-year-olds

and see what that looks like. Make it a little bit more fair. Look, mine pump is recorded on video as well as audio, so you can come find us on YouTube, mine pump podcast. You can also find all of us on social media. Instagram is our favorite place to go. You can look for Justin at mine pump Justin.

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