Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1508: The Optimal Amount of Protein to Eat Per Meal, How Massage Can Improve Muscle Growth, Muscle Building Tips for Teenagers & More

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how much protein you can eat per meal, whether or not a massage helps promote muscle growth, muscle building tips for teenagers, and @functionalpatterns stance that weight lifting in its traditional form does more harm than good. Addressing the CrossFit controversy on the Mind Pump Podcast YouTube page. (3:28) Hip thrusts versus barbell squats, which one builds bigger butt muscles? (16:48) How Adam used Organifi’s Red Juice to wean off caffeine for a week. (23:25) The copper scrolls of treasure. (31:25) Mind Pump speculates on the housing market bubble, exodus in California, and inflation rates. (38:06) Justin is not all fish sticks. (48:50) #Quah question #1 - How much of my daily protein intake can I eat per meal? (52:50) #Quah question #2 – I'm curious whether or not a massage helps promote muscle growth? Also, do massage guns actually work or are they a marketing gimmick? (1:00:08) #Quah question #3 – What are some muscle building tips for teenagers? (1:07:50) #Quah question #4 – What do you think of @functionalpatterns and their stance that weight lifting in its traditional form does more harm than good? (1:12:13) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Promotion: Get in Shape for Summer – Promo code: “SPRINGBREAK” at checkout The Truth About The Current State of CrossFit – Mind Pump Podcast Back Squat vs. Hip Thrust Resistance-training Programs in Well-trained Women - PubMed Build Your Butt Bundle - Mind Pump Media How To Grow Your Glutes (FREE Butt Building Guide) - Mind Pump TV 3 Best Secrets - How To Make Your Butt Grow (AVOID MISTAKES!) | MIND PUMP TV Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* Microdosing Psilocybin Magic Mushroom Is Gaining Steam Among MMA, UFC, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Kickboxing Athletes. THE COPPER SCROLL – AN ANCIENT TREASURE MAP THAT FEATURES 64 UNDISCOVERED LOCATIONS WHERE STAGGERING AMOUNTS OF SILVER AND GOLD ARE BURIED Snorkeler finds 25 bricks of cocaine floating off Florida Keys Operation Odessa (2018) - IMDb Housing Market Predictions 2021: Is It Going To Crash or Boom? California’s Rendezvous with Reality Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog Protein Absorbed Per Meal, Keto Backpacking, When to Recalculate Macros | THRR06‪7‬ Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robb Wolf (@dasrobbwolf)  Instagram Functional Patterns (@functionalpatterns)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You are listening to the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Okay, today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was with a intro portion where we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies.

We have fun debate and discussion. The intro portion today was 48 minutes long. After that, we got into the questions. Here's a rundown of today's episode. Here it is. We opened up a timeout the CrossFit controversy on YouTube. We posted up a video on YouTube. It's got lots of comments.

Say that three times faster. So we wanted to, can't do it. Can't even do it one time. So we wanted to address it a little bit and just kind of dig our heels in the dirt. So you'll love that part. Then we talked about hip thrust versus squats. The study comes out, came out comparing the two

to see which one builds bigger butt muscles. Thrust ears are squatters. Yeah, so interesting stuff there. Then we talked about Adam cutting out caffeine. He's actually back on caffeine, he did it for about a week. But during the cut, he introduced Organifies Red Juice to take off the edge. Now, the Organify Red Juice is an energy producing

supplement, but it doesn't have any stimulants. So it's a great substitute for caffeine. It's got corticeps and rodeola in it. And of course, Organifi is a company we work with. So you get a discount if you want to try the Red Juice or anything else. Go check them out, go to organifi.com, forward slash mine pump, and then use the code

mine pump for a discount. Then we talked about the Copper Scrolls Treasure Map. I guess there was a, they found some more gold maybe, huh? Well, I don't know, they haven't found any gold. Crazy. Then we did some speculation on the housing market. You know, we're trainers, but we're also experts at everything that we talk about.

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Go to butcher box dot com forward slash mine pump and get free ground beef For life two pounds for free. Crazy, crazy stuff. Then we got into the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know how much of their daily protein and take they can eat in one meal. In other words, can I eat it all in one meal? I'd like me to split it up.

The next question, this person wants to know if massage helps promote muscle growth. The third question, this person wants to know if we have any muscle building tips for teenagers. And then the final question, this person wants to know if we have any muscle building tips for teenagers and the final question, this person wants to know what we think of functional patterns on social media and their stance, that weightlifting does more harm than good. Of course, we disagree with that. So you have to listen that part of the episode to hear why we disagree with that.

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Go to mapsfitinistproducts products calm and use the code spring break Which one of you guys started the fire on YouTube with all the trolls We're gonna blame it on Justin why would it which good the cross-fit was going of course Of course, what do you mean which one of course? It's going nuts right now. Yeah, of course. What do you mean, which one? Of course it's going nuts right now. Yeah, of course. We knew that was gonna happen. Yeah, you know what? That's where they hang out, apparently.

You know what's funny to me? It's, okay, so I guess if I had to identify with a modality of training, it would be bodybuilding if I had to. If you had to put me in a category of how I train most often or what I gravitate towards the most, it would be bodybuilding, which I find it funny that people get insulted and they feel the need to defend crossfit

when we talk about these things. It's like if you were to talk shit about bodybuilding as oh, it's a terrible way of lifting. And I wouldn't feel the need to like come rescue it. And we're like, well, that is so wrong. And you don't know what you're talking about. Well, there's one thing to talk about drinking the cooling. Well, here's a deal.

Yeah. You have to get more specific. So you could say bodybuilding training sucks. OK, but why? Why do you say that? And then if someone sits down and lists, well, if you constantly isolate muscles, you create maybe some dysfunction, it's aesthetic focused. So you don't focus so much on mobility and on functional strength and movement.

Those are actual good critiques. They can be very good. Absolutely. And say, you know, we talk about how many people get into the gym because they're insecure about their body. And I could make the case that training for aesthetics and using the mirror and the way you look as your main motivator is actually a terrible way for most people to train and most clients that I train. But I wouldn't get offended by that. No, I poke holes in every method that's out there.

Look, you look, you know. But only when we talk about that one. Here's, this wouldn't remind me of. Years ago, I don't in every method that's out there. Look, look, you know, only when we talk about that one. Here's, this is what it reminds me of. Years ago, I don't know, this is probably, I think it was 1994, I wanna say, I remember I was watching TV and this commercial comes on TV and it's like this cartoon character

and he's like punching the ground. And it's like ultimate fighting championship. I remember that. Find out which martial art is the toughest boxing versus judo Tyguendo versus Korra and it was like this huge debate back in the day when I was a kid growing up You'd watch martial arts movies and it was always kung fu versus karate or boxing and it was this huge debate Which style is the most effective to five finger death punch and you know We ended up figuring out through mixed martial arts that that all of them have strengths and all of them

have weaknesses. And the best, I guess, who the biggest bad asses are. The ones that can do all of them. The one that utilizes the strengths and nullifies the weaknesses. Okay. Similar with training modalities. Does yoga have strengths that are superior to other forms of modalities? Yes. Does yoga have weaknesses? Yeah. Absolutely. What about bodybuilding? What about powerlifting? What about crossfit? What about kettlebell training?

All these things have things you can learn from and use together to construct the mixed martial art of training essentially for the average person. Now, if you want to be special, let me put it this way. You're using the same martial arts argument. If you want to be the world champion at Shodokon Karate, does it make any sense to train in wrestling, or devote any time to wrestling?

No, the sport of Shodokon Karate is specifically Karate. Your best bet is to focus all your time on Karate. So if you want to be the best CrossFit athlete in the world, makes perfect sense to go focus all your time across the same thing with powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc. But if you want to have, you want to train your body, the average person, you want to be fit, well rounded, your best bet is to take a little bit from each one. And of course you're going to lean more in one direction and other because of your preferences. Like if you like squatting and

deadlifting a lot, you're probably going to do more powerlifting than the other types of lifts or modalities. But you can take a little bit from each one. Yeah, but we don't want 1500 episodes and we've poked holes in every mode of idea. Every mode of idea. We should not everything. But only when we talk about that one.

Do we get this, this, this, the feedback is crazy. It's always people that get so butt hurt. There's a bit. I'm talking about CrossFit. There's a bit of a cult. AFit. There's a bit of a cult. A bit. Yeah, a bit of a cult. Come on, Jesus.

It's ridiculous. Well, and here's a thing, because people will say things like, oh, I, you know, I work out at CrossFit Box and the way that they train, they teach technique and they focus a lot on form. And it's very appropriate to the person's level. And there's lots of individualization of the train. My question for those people is.

Functional training. Yeah, well, my question is always this. What makes a form of training crossfit, right? What are the things that make it crossfit? Yeah, please define it. To my best estimation, and I pretty good, I know this, I know I understand crossfit quite well, and I know you guys do too.

To my best estimation, what makes something crossfit literally is the sport of crossfit, training for the sport. Other than that, what makes something CrossFit literally is the sport of CrossFit training for the sport. Other than that, what they're utilizing are deadlifts, squats, presses, cleans, they're running, they're doing exercises and doing them all right, doesn't make it CrossFit. What makes CrossFit is when you make it the sport of CrossFit. Even if you want to go into the modality of it, they've pulled from every other functional training method

that already existed. So it's like this culmination of all these other training, you know, methods out there that, you know, does have legitimacy into it. But what makes it CrossFit is the intensity, it's the competition of it, it's the actual sport of it that, you know, differentiates it from everything else. I think it's the feeling of superiority

that I love to just poke at, because I think they think that many people that take it believe that. And now we, now mind you, there's a lot of people that listen to MindPump also do crossfit, R in our community, or fall in our forum, that are not like that,

that are like understand the points, but they can say, hey, I like doing it, I love the community, I've been very consistent with it. I totally hear all the points that you guys make. I try and make adjustments into my routines and add mobility days and do things like that.

But yeah, I totally get it, but it doesn't mean we're telling people, don't do it. It's just when we think, when I talk on this podcast, the person I think I'm talking, or who I'm trying to communicate to, are the people that I trained for 20 years. Those people. Yeah, average person wants to do in shape.

Yes, not the Supreme Athlete who is trying to compete in CrossFit. I mean, you should be doing that if that's what you want to do. I'm talking about Susie, who's 55, had three kids, tried to lose weight for the last 20 years, yo-yo, dieted, most were like, which by the way, this is lose weight, for the last 20 years, yo-yo died in most of life, which by the way, this is like 70% of the clientele that would come through the door of a gym

that would hire a personal trainer. That's who I'm talking to. I'm not talking to you, 20-year-old kid, who's in great shape, great mobility, and you know, don't have weight issues. And there was a comment in there, where one guy's like, I lost, if it was I don't remember,

was like 80 pounds doing CrossFit. No, therefore it's amazing. Well, okay, let's just use something else. I lost 80 pounds playing basketball. I lost 80 pounds. Crash dieting. Playing soccer. I lost 80 pounds doing jujitsu.

Does that make it the best form? Maybe for that person, look, if you love it and it's working for you, actually, I'm never gonna argue against that, right? Unless you're getting lots of injuries unless you're complaining about problems. I'm not gonna argue that that, right? Yeah. Unless you're getting lots of injuries unless you're complaining about problems, I'm not gonna argue that. It's obviously work fruits.

Obviously brought you more benefit than good. Yeah, but you gotta be even careful saying that, because the sustainability of it, as a coach that's experienced, you know that. Like, somebody could easily... Right, I don't recommend any hardcore sports for weight loss. Yeah, I mean, somebody could easily lost 80 pounds by, you know, grossly reducing their calories

and running five miles every single day. And just because they liked doing that during that time and that's got them those results, me as a professional would still not recommend that as an ideal way. Because what I know is the sustainability of that long term. It's just not realistic. Most people, okay, will not run five miles a day

and eat 1,300 calories forever. And so even if it did work for you and you do like doing that, that's the problem that I have. Well, you know what the issue is, and we've seen this in diet culture as well. If somebody does something and it gets them to lose weight and change the way they look or the way they feel,

they're a fervorous evangelist at that point. Yes, they're so married to it. So you could talk to anybody who's lost a lot of weight doing keto or going vegan or paleo or whatever, cabbage juice diet, whatever. And what you'll get is a, somebody's very religious about what they just did. Well, you could bring it instead of diet,

bring it back to training modalities. People get the same way with that. That's why there's a community of power lifters, there's a community of crossfitters, a community of bodybuilders. And so it's no different. I talked to them the same way. It's like, when I was bodybuilding,

one of the biggest flaws that I saw on my peers was that's the way they always trained. It's like, dude, you guys know that if you just moved out of this, you know, super setting, isolation, exercise, pumping exercises all the time, you would see huge benefits if you power-lifted for a little while. Like, you have no idea. That's actually a great point, is that even if you are extreme in one of the sports,

there are some things you can learn. It doesn't even have to be a ton, but there are some things you can learn that'll also benefit you. For example, bodybuilders that take from powerlifting, they build more muscle as a result of doing that. Some of the best powerlifters in the world, bodybuilders in the world, where powerlifters at one point, Ronnie Coleman, is a great example of that.

You know, you could do that for most of these modalities. And I think you're doing yourself a huge just service when you put yourself in this camp and it's us versus them mentality because you're no longer open to growth, you're no longer open to progress or even just seeing what's not working for you. Make no mistake when you get stuck in a mentality,

you can actually do yourself quite a bit of harm. I mean, going back to the diet thing, I can't tell you, I would get messages from people, especially when we first started the podcast, I get messages from people who are like, hey, Sal, I've been doing keto for four months, I feel terrible, I'm very constipated. When is my body getting a transition?

When's it gonna start feeling good? Like it's not, it's been four months. It's not working for you. But because they're so stuck on this camp that they're ignoring their body signals, you see this with the training too. Hey, Sal, I lost 40 pounds doing CrossFit, but I had to get shoulder injury.

I feel really run down. I got my testosterone levels checked, it's down. So when is that gonna start to reverse? Well, maybe that's the wrong modality for you right now. Maybe it's literally everything we've learned over the past year too is how tribal everybody is and how much they don't want to hear a counterpoint or invite a discussion of admitting that there may be

some flaws in the methodology. They don't want to examine that and think critically about things. It cracks me up though. It always cracks me up. And I think part of me likes to trigger it. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's like, let's start this conversation.

Yeah, because I feel like, again, we've talked about all the other modalities in this podcast, but nobody brings that up. Everybody's like, oh, these guys talk shit about CrossFit. It's like, pro, we talk about every modality. Every, and everybody is, and by the way, everyone is just as guilty of gravitating towards one modality sticking to it. I mean, that was a lot of the motivation of starting the show was that we wanted to break those barriers and teach the average person that there is something to take from power

lift. There is something to take from kettlebells. There is something to take from CrossFit. It's easier to stay in that one train of thought and in that same pattern because your body like it likes that I want to keep doing what I like to do. I don't want to challenge it. I get it We're the same way too. We're just as guilty of it. It's a human condition Yes, when I assess the way we all train we all tend to gravitate towards the things we like most But I'm we're all aware of it and we all know like okay

It's been a little while. I've been pushing the way too much I need to get out of here, go into my body, build her way. Or I need to go mobility focus. Or hey, I'm gonna pull the kettlebells out and get working on some rotational stuff. So yes, I mean, I'm just as guilty too, but I'm also aware enough to be okay that when someone points out one of those modalities

that's having flaws, I don't get attacked personally. You're coming after me. You're like, all I can say is personally. You're coming after me. You're like, all I can say is like, yeah, you're right. That is a flaw in that training modality. Well, I mean, look, again, just to hit the other side, for as long as I've been in fitness professionally, which is over two decades, and non-professionally,

which is much longer, no strength modality at all, was able to get people to squat and deadlift and to use bumper plates. None. Bodybuilding failed at that, powerlifting failed at that, weightlifting failed at that. It was CrossFit. It was CrossFit that literally got people to squat and to deadlift and to use platforms. Before that, you would not find a platform. Certainly didn't invent it.

No, you would not find it in any gym. And you would not, and literally I would manage these 40,000 square foot facilities. There would be one squat rack and nobody would use it. And deadlifts, God forbid you saw a deadlift, people would freak out. So crossfit single hand, that's why I'm grateful for crossfit. It's single handedly got people to do some of the most effective exercises known to man.

Does that mean I can't critique some of the other shit? Yeah, so now evolve and be better. Yeah, that means I can't critique some of the other shit? Now evolve and be better. Yeah, that's all I'm just kidding. All right, since we're on the training tip here, so a study came out, here's some more controversy, comparing two exercises for blood, for glute development, for butt muscle development. I know, blood. For butt development, it was the hit for us and what? And the barbell squat. Ooh.

So they compared the two to see, okay, which one builds more mass in the glutes? And the, and believe it or not, the design of the study was actually quite good. Let me hear it because there's a Brett Contrary study. No, it wasn't. And, you know, okay, I have to pull it up to give you those details.

Has Brett commented on it yet? Since I know this is his wheel. This is a relatively new, this is a relatively new study that came out, but it said, and literally it was not bad, on weeks ready for this. So this is what they did for both groups. They took two groups of women, and they did one group did squats,

the other group did hip thrust. On weeks one, five and nine, the women did 12 to 15 reps with 30 to 60 seconds of rest. On weeks two, six and 10, the women did 12 to 15 reps with 30 to 60 seconds of rest. On weeks two, six and 10, the women's did four to six reps with three to four minutes of rest. On weeks three, seven and 11, the women's did 10 to 12 reps with one to two minutes of rest. So they appeared as well. So they did a good job for both. Okay. Yes. So it was not bad design, right? And the whole thing was 12 weeks long. So it's a short, relatively short study three months long.

But I mean, you know, most studies are that long, right? So over that course, here's what they ended up finding. They ended up finding that the squat, ready for this, both exercises saw growth in their quads and glutes. But the squat led to more than double the glute growth twice as much muscle in the butt. And then of course, expected six times more quad growth. So obviously the quads, wayute growth. Twice as much muscle in the butt, and then of course, expected six times more quad growth. So obviously the quads, way more growth in the squat, but twice as much growth in the butt from doing a barbell squat.

Oh my goodness. Now, he was like, what have been arguing? Yeah, we've been saying this for a long time that the barbell squat is the best glute exercise generally speaking for most people. But however, there are cases where the hip thrust is probably better. For example, people who's... Quad dominant. Quad dominant.

You're getting twice as much butt growth, but six times a quad growth. So that was... You're all quad no butt. This is what I was going to ask our poke holes in that study, is that we're assuming that I'm based off of this study for sure, the ladies that were squatting had good mechanics, because if they had all, if they had any sort of issue like that where they're quad dominant,

you would see huge discrepancy in that for sure. Yes. And then what you might see, and that's where case by case this matters, somebody who actually was doing an isolation exercise like a hip thrust for the glutes would see potentially more results from that, because they don't know how to activate

their glutes in a squad as well. Yes, if you're somebody who's butt, you just don't activate very well when you squat. You don't feel it very much. Your quads respond, your butt doesn't. A hip thrust might be a great exercise. By the way, they're both great exercises. If they had a third group,

and they compared the third group to the other two groups, and the third group, it's both. It's both. And hip thrust. Then you'd see the most glute growth. Right. And my, it's very complimentary to squat. Yes.

And that's a thing. And like that's a great point in terms of a quad dominant type of situation where you're recruiting already heavily from the quads, you know, it's just inevitable that you're going to have more growth. Yeah. And that's very common, especially with a, a female client that is coming to you to build their butt.

They probably have that issue. I would say more than half the time when I got a client like especially with a female client that is coming to you to build their butt. I would say more than half the time, when I got a client like that that came to me and said, Adam, I've been trying to build my butt forever, and all it does is get my legs more developed, at least half the time. But we know with the squat is just, you have to produce a lot more force

to pull off that movement. And so you have to actively recruit a lot more muscle fibers to generate this type of force and get involved. And so that's what creates this louder signal, which growth was more potential. Not to mention too, you've got three parts of the butt and part of that is stabilizing the hips. And there's a lot more hip stabilization

when you're going into a deep squat than there is in a more of an isolated exercise like a hip thrust. And the most glaring difference is the range of motion. Your glutes range of motion and hip thrust is half what a full squat is. It's a very full range of motion. It's just a bunch of inches, really.

Right, it's almost an isolation exercise. If you, I mean, you're knee-triple. I'm considered a, I consider, even though it's technically not, I consider hip thrust and isolated. Yeah, it's much more, right? The knee, knee extension is minimal. It's mostly hip, right?

But they're both awesome exercise, but it's a great study because they designed it very well. They compared the two groups. They did good periodization. And what they found is what we've experienced with our clients. The barbell squat is the king of butt building, or just lower body exercise. But let's say you're a woman,

by the way, a lot of the way your body looks isn't just your absolute, you know, muscle size, it's also your proportions, right? So, so let's say you want your butt to grow sometimes even if you make your butt grow a little bit, but your legs are smaller in comparison. Now it looks like you have a more balanced looking butt on your physique. Now we're talking more of a, you know, like what you would, how you would judge a body builder or bikini competitor.

So in some like, if you're a woman, you're like, I don't want my legs to grow or sculpt at all, I just want to grow my butt. A hip thrust might be your prime exercise. Well, I mean, that would be, an example would be like we were just mentioning that over half the clients that I got that came to me that way, they would be an example of,

okay, I can't take that girl who just came to me and said, Adam, I keep developing my legs and I can't develop my butt, and I'm not gonna throw her on a barbell back squat, right? That's not what I'm doing with her. I'm doing exercises to help her get connected to the glues, which that's where hip thrust are incredible for. I mean, talk about such a great exercise for somebody

who never feels butt exercises in their butt, you're gonna feel your butt in hip thrust. Yeah, now I've been doing them relatively regularly for the longest period I've ever done hip thrust. I know, it consists of watching you do that. I know, it gets you, it makes you a weird bonus. Yes, it's just weird. Don't make eye contact.

But I'll tell you what, the carryover that I'm seeing for squats and deadlifts is quite awesome. It's definitely an additive exercise. seeing for squats and deadlifts. It's quite awesome. It's definitely an additive. Now I would think deadlifts. I would think it would have a lot of carryovers on that lockout. Yes. I would think deadlifts would have a massive carryover. More into my deadlifts than my squat.

But you know, here's the thing about squats, dude. If my squat goes up, my deadlift goes up. Almost every single time. So anything I do that makes my squat better, my deadlift goes up. In fact, I can not deadlift, get strong on my squat, go grab a bar in three weeks or four weeks and see that my deadlift. Oh, interesting. Yeah, not the other way around. If I just train deadlift, my squat. I've never paid attention to that. That's interesting. Yeah. And I don't know if that's for everybody, but I think it's relatively common. It definitely is for me. You know, I wanted to ask you Adam, I know you're doing the reduction in caffeine

and you've been using the red juice more consistently. Yeah, I just stopped actually. Okay, so how long did you do that for? A week, about a week. About a week. So today your first caffeine day back? Well, technically it was yesterday. Okay. Yeah, technically I was back on caffeine again,

yesterday. So tell us how it was. So what was the, how did it feel going off using the red juice? Cause the red juice has no stimulants, but it's got the rodeo on the again yesterday. So tell us how to use your... So what was the... How did it feel going off using the red juice? Cause the red juice has no stimulants, but it's got the rodeo on the quarter step. So I should be, okay, I need to, I guess, clarify too. I don't fully go off. And sometimes I do this. Sometimes I do go completely off caffeine.

Sometimes I just reduce it down to my cup of coffee in the morning, right? So I love, that's part of my routine. I like Justin. I like to, first thing when I wake up, I like to smell the coffee in my house. I like sipping on it now on my drive over here. So, and really when you're talking about a cup of coffee,

what are we talking about? 60 to 100 milligrams of caffeine. Depends on how big it is. Yeah, it's just a normal coffee cup. It's not like, probably around 100. Yeah, so 60 to 100 milligrams of caffeine. But where I can get really out of control is the rock star, which is 220 milligrams, and then the pre workout,

which is another 250 milligrams. You're talking about 500 more milligrams. And that's kind of my peak, right? Like a coffee, a rock star, and a pre workout in a day. And I- Yeah, what's the nitrous? I like 200. Depends on the size. Yeah, but it's typically stronger because it's cold brew.

Okay. And when they cold brew it, more of the caffeine, because they let it sit in the cold water. Right, so sometimes I'm riding high. So depending on how long I've been riding high, sometimes I'll go completely off for like a week. Sometimes I'll just reduce all the way down to my cup of coffee and then I'll reintroduce things.

So what I did this time was actually only just reduced down the cup of coffee. I eliminated the 200 milligram either pre-workout or rockstar or repost drinks like that. And I replaced with just the red juice. When I do that, you know, it's not, I don't feel that bad.

You know, you've talked to Sal before, like you're so sensitive to caffeine and when you go up high and then you come off, like you feel miserable. That's because I go gold to cold turkey. Yeah, I see it. Yeah, I don't like that. I'm gonna do what you did. I'm gonna do it with the red juice.

I've done it before and I do notice that it does take the edge off. Because what sucks when you go off caffeine cold turkey is you literally feel like shit. Yeah, I'd get a headache from that. If I went from the, yeah, yeah, I would get a headache from going that way. So I don't get a headache, I just feel depressed

for like a day or two. It's actually very nasty. Like I feel irritable and just, ugh. What's awesome though is that so I did that and then today I had two cups of coffee and I'm flying. Yeah, and I hear I'm fire. Yeah, I know flying off a two cups of coffee where I barely would feel too comfortable.

You see they have the individual packets now? Yeah, I saw that. So that's good. I like this and I like the new packaging that they put. So it's got the cordiceps and the rodeola in there, a little bit of beet juice. And do you think the cordyceps is part of what is mitigating the coming off the... Explain that. Any adaptogen theoretically, which cordyceps you could classify as an adaptogen, will help

with your body dealing with any kind of stress, which would include coming off of a stimulant like caffeine, because caffeine increases circulating levels of catacolamines, right? So you go off, I guess technically you could say it's kind of a stress. So yes, it might help. I think it's more the rodeola. The rodeola is a by itself. Which is funny, because I don't like rodeola.

And high doses near the door. Yeah, if I take too much, it's I'm like this with ginseng. You ever take ginseng? I have, but I don't think I've ever And high doses, neither do I. Yeah, if I take too much, I'm, you know what, it's, it's, I'm like this with ginseng. You ever take ginseng? I have, but I don't think I've ever paid attention to like how it makes me. Not Siberian ginseng, but the legit panics red ginseng. Like the one that's like, they would say it's very yang,

energy or whatever. If I take like a small dose, I actually get good energy for it. I take a big dose of it. You ever buy those, you ever see those like, they're like class vials at the health food store They look the same. They've been around forever and they're in that box You know talking about right Doug and you put the little straw on there. That's a strong-ass dose of ginseng

Yeah, if I do that and I do that two days in a row I feel like I have a fever like the next day I don't feel good. Same thing with rodeo. Do you remember when you were working with fit aid and they had the one? I forget what color it was which one it was that had the rodeo on it. I think it was the teal one. I wanna say it was that. I don't know if you guys remember it. But I know it had a rodeo.

I don't know if it had ginseng too, but I do know that that made me feel like shit. Like down, yes. It makes me sleepy. I would take it, thinking that I'm supposed to feel better and energized because that's what they say. You're supposed to feel for rodeo, and I would feel actually super time.

I haven't trippin' out on pure, or gain a fives pure. So is there lines main in that? Because yeah, because, you know, there's been a bunch of research on like psilocybin in the maps institute and all that has been going through that. I just found out like the UFC,

I guess has been making a lot of efforts towards, you know, taking fighters through some of their research on utilization of maybe microdosing psilocybin in order to gain some kind of neurogenesis from that and help rebuild their brain health. They're brain health. I've been looking into it. I've seriously been addicted. I've been taking it quite a bit, especially before podcasts,

but I've noticed that I can recall information a lot easier. Yeah, you gotta be consistent with, very consistent. Lions main works better the longer. We should get back to that. I remember when you were making this, when we first started working with it, and they got the pure,

I remember us like for a while there. You know what's interesting? It's noticeable for me. Back to what you were saying about like, the gin-sing or radiola making, you know there's this paradoxical effect sometimes with certain compounds. For example, for some people caffeine,

once they hit a certain point, not only does it not make them energized and makes them sleepy. So have you guys ever experienced it? Well, did not, where you go too much and then all of a sudden just makes you tired. Did I bring up to you?

I thought I read somewhere a long time ago that caffeine technically is supposed to be a downer and the feeling you get of energy is the body fighting against that. Hey, I can't remember how it works, but it blocks, it blocks certain receptors and then it causes a, causes a flood of chemicals that give you more energy. Yeah. But on it, but it's a stimulant, right? caffeine, but for some people, once they go past a certain amount of caffeine, they, they get really, really tired.

This is true with other compounds, Benzoz, Benzoz, which are anti-anxiety medications, like Xanax, for some people, there's this rare situation where they'll take them, not only will it not give them relief from anxiety, it can make the anxiety way worse. And then the weird thing is, I'll take more thinking it's supposed to help,

and then they'll get fucked up. So this is part of what motivates me to come back off the caffeine is when I notice I start pushing what I just said with the two like rock star or like high caffeine to pre-work out and then plus a coffee. It starts to become, I feel adverse effects from it. I actually will, sure, instantly when I'm drinking it,

I feel like just makes me normal, maybe a little energy, but then in like two or three hours, I feel super lazy and tired, and then even worse, I still have a hard time sleeping. So it's like, it makes me tired feeling because I have that much caffeine in me, but because I have so much caffeine in me, I also have a hard time sleeping that night.

So it's this awful cycle that I get in when I really push the caffeine high. And that's what, it's so easy for me to motivate myself to wing myself or wing myself back up. You know, it's funny about supplements and compounds. There's the ones that help your body improve itself over time. They're not usually as popular because you don't feel them right away, right? But they're ones that do improve your body's ability to, you know, recall information or, you know, reduce inflammation or whatever. The ones that you usually feel, you'll take and be like, whoa, I really feel this. Typically your body will adapt in a very short period of time, weeks usually, in a way that make those effects then start to

go away. This is true for testosterone boosters, libido boosters, energy enhancers, you'll take them. If you adapt quickly, it's like it's not going to last. Yeah, you'd say, oh, this is great. You know, I'm taking this, you know, whatever compound and I have more higher libido or better erections like with long jack or with horn to goat weed, but you take it for about a month or two. And then all of a sudden, it's not working anymore. Your body adapts, so it's a good idea to cycle these things. So I came across something pretty cool. I don't know, you guys probably already know about this. I didn't know about this.

You know how they found the Dead Sea Scrolls, like in these caves long time ago, vaguely. I mean, is that something like, those are like books that were not included in the Bible, or something like that? Well, like most of it was books, including the Bible. But so they were made out of papyrus in anyways, and they lasted, but there was one in there

that was like a copper scroll. And so this copper scroll was actually like, it basically is outlining 64 different treasures in terms of like gold and silver, like distributed. Yeah, in different places. And so they've been decoding this for years and they're starting to kind of deduce it down to actually not being near Israel

but being more towards like Egypt. And so like there's all these like treasure hunters scrambling out to try and find the stuff. Does any of these treasure hunters ever find a treasure? Well, it's just, that's a good, you know, I'm serious. Like there is, there's a couple. There's been one, ah man, we were watching this show.

It's funny, because me and Courtney watched all of these shows, you know, all these ones on Discovery Channel, like, oh, dude, we hope they find, like Oak Island and like all these things, like I love the history that they try and uncover with it, but it's so boring, the shit that they find, right? It's like, oh, I feel in the nail, and let's go take it to the labs.

So what happens? What happens if you find old gold? Can you keep it and can you then sell it and make money or doesn't get claimed by the country of origin? Does it go to a museum? I think you actually have to work that out. At the time, get a permit in there. And then a percentage of it goes to the country

or they like, I don't know, you work it out with them and you basically like receive the rest of the trailer. Yeah, you think okay, so you have into possessions nine, 10th law. No, what? Yeah, I don't think that's always, look at it. Okay, let me put you say, let's say you find

a Da Vinci painting, like you bought a house in Florence or something like that. And you're just living there and then you go, it was included all the furniture. You're gonna put, you're gonna put a house in Florence or something like that. Yeah. And you're just living there and then you go. It was included all the furniture. You're gonna put a pool in the backyard. They start digging the way. Oh my God, and you found a painting from Leonardo da Vinci. That ain't yours, dude.

That's not gonna be yours. It's on my land, yes it is. It ain't yours. I don't think it's yours. I think stuff, certain cases. So actually that's not true. So that's not true. Okay, but real estate law, okay, doesn't work that way. Yeah. Yeah. We actually you get I actually not only do I own that I own like I think air space

Yeah, I own the air like up to like 50 yards above my house and it's a weird thing. Yeah, and because you build on time and below Right now especially with yeah, but flyover Well look I so I don't know how it works here in these states But I do know in Italy that there were cases where construction workers in Sicily were there was a company that was building like a hotel or something. They were digging. Oops, we found some Roman ruins done halted.

The state stopped all the construction. They're taking over now because we got these ruins. Well, I mean, okay, now that would make sense if this is like a city that is like, you know, coming in and paving roads or, you know, demolition. Those are private construction come, put around like a private owner. Oh yeah, see, that's different, I think.

Yeah, that's lame, right? What's the, what is the point of being a treasure hunter if you got to give your shit up? Like people like, you must. Most of the times, the waste of time. You must, like Doug just pulled up something about that in terms of like, if it's, yeah, the country will take all of the earnings.

So you must have to already be rich to be chasing a treasure because, and I think too that, if it's in the ocean, you have a higher likelihood of keeping a lot of it because it kind of gets tricky as to who owns that. Here you go Adam. Oh my God, there you go.

Hey, you're a real estate lock and suck it because look at this This is the federal bullshit laws or my call is right in the US laws vary by state But the general conclusion is that going treasure hunting is a waste of time because you likely can't keep it the archeological Resources protection act of 1979 of course states that any archeological resources Found on the land of the state belongs to the government. Boo. So, wow. You know what, how many of these assholes are actually searching and don't even know this

law? You know what? You know, you would be used to it. You would be used to it. Because what they want to do. 20 years into museums and all that. Like, for some reason. You have to be wealthy already to even consider being a treacherous guy.

I think this is what you end up doing. You're digging in your land. You're like, oh my gosh, I just found another Dead Sea Scroll. You ain't telling anybody. Of course not. You're going to the black market. Who wants to buy this? Yeah.

That's what you're probably doing. Of course. Otherwise you ain't making shit off of this. Yeah, that's it. This reminds me of, I don't know, reminded me of it. Did you guys hear about that? There was a snorkelor or a diver off the coast of Florida. He was diving.

Yes, you brought this up to me. Bro, was this off air? We talked about this? We might have talked about that. Yeah, you found the cocaine, right? You found like, like, I don't know, like 30 bricks of cocaine. They must have dropped it, you know, because there's always boats or whatever. Yeah, we were speculating on what we would do. You're like, oh, I would keep that shit. I was like, no, you wouldn't. Bro, you just stole some drug deal. The cartels are monitoring. Yeah, that is cartel drugs. I know, but it's it's a you're probably be afraid right? You'd find it be like 100% I mean, you only you trade it. You turn it in 100% you just sell it to you know, somebody might be a brick. I only found 29

bricks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I found no, I'm a huge party. The yeah, the cartel or mafia, whoever's drugs it is would love to see that it's gone and And it did get that the government doesn't have it. And yeah, and the government, the cops don't have it. That means there's some average Joe out there with their drugs. They're getting creative. I saw a video the other day of the National Guard. Literally, they were pursuing a submarine,

a freaking submarine that was made, the cartel made. And the submarine was, it's not like a full-on submarine. It's enough to evade radar. What is it? I brought up the documentary before and I can't remember the damn name. It was, you know, our audience, there's normally gold for this. There was a documentary on this guy in Miami who started a boat shot speed boats and that he used to buy these speed boats and they would be like $200,000.

What would it include is the shipment of cocaine or whatever, like that. They come cigarette boats. And yeah, and they made so much money that they, I think the way they ended up getting caught was they ended up buying a submarine. Oh, like a legit submarine. Yes, like a legit submarine.

I mean, someone's gonna help me out with the documentary. Well, in this video, in this video, they're pursuing the submarine. And again, it's like, it's just under the water. So just enough to evade radar right? But you could see like the top of it. Yeah and they were following next to it

and the frickin' national guards guys jumped off the boat on top of the submarine and they're bait with the butt of their gun, they're banging on the hatch. Get out and the guy opens it up and they're pulling their gun inside. I'm like oh my god these guys got balls of size of frickin' dutch. Watermelons to do that.

You know you brought up real estate. So I got it, I was god, these guys got balls of size of freaking dad's. What are men to do that? You know, you brought up real estate. So I got it, I was yesterday, I was reading a bunch of stuff on a recent article, I forget the name, norad I think is the name of the article. I really like the stuff that they put out on. They just a lot of analytics, it's a long read, but really good. Interesting fact, right?

So I'm obviously, I'm always trying to figure out like time this market, like, and there's tons of articles out there on, are we heading for a O8 crash and is it gonna continue to boom to this year? Everybody has a debate and argument. Well, and I like to look at all the analytics and then make up my own mind what I think is gonna happen.

Part of the things that are driving this, we know are interest rates, right? Part of why we have this crazy, continued growth in the real estate market is because even though housing prices continue to skyrocket, someone that buys a house today is really not spending that much more money monthly just three, four years ago. Because the interest rates are so low. So that's part of it. Another thing that's driving it like crazy

is in 2018, right? So just two and a half years ago, or what about that? Millennials represented the smallest percentage of home buyers in 2018. Today, they're the greatest percentage of home buyers right now. So you have a flood of a generation of people that are now at the age that they can afford to buy

that are trying to buy with interest rates at record lows. And in addition to that, inventory is at its lowest since 2005. So when we had that huge boom in 2005, when everyone was, so there's not enough real estate interest rates so far. And we had the most people coming into buy. Is that because they're preventing

the a lot of foreclosures? So that's what I'm talking about. So, you know, that was a that was a theory that I had earlier like last year. But the truth is it they're we're not going to see foreclosures like we said the moratorium I get again is being told that they're going to lift it again. I think at the end of this month, I don't remember the exact date is I'm just moving it. Yeah, they keep pushing it out pushing out, but I don't think it matters. Even if they pull that moratorium and we're gonna have some foreclosures,

I mean, that's inevitable, right? But I don't think we're gonna see this these record amount of foreclosures because most of these banks would, banks don't wanna foreclose. You have to first understand that, right? A bank, it's a loss for them. They do not, they wanna keep collecting,

they're in the business of collecting interest. They do not wanna, they're not in the business of collecting interest. They do not want to, they're not in the business of, that's damage control at that point. Yes, they absolutely, that's what we saw in like, oh, eight, no, nine, like they didn't come get houses for years. They are hoping to work things out.

So, they don't want to get houses. They don't want to collect houses. And so you have to understand that that's the last resort. And when you have these homes that people bought two, three, four years ago, a lot of people especially in California are sitting on two three four hundred thousand dollars in equity right they would much rather just extend the loan and say oh you had 25 years left on your loan no now you have 30 again well it

is interesting right because you because did you guys see the inflation numbers come out no okay so inflation is going up but less than they thought, which is how funny how they judge it, it's up, but it's not as bad as we thought it would be, partially because people are not buying stuff as much as they, the demand to purchase things, I think people are scared to spend their money is controlling inflation a little bit. And along those lines now, interest rates are going up on mortgages, not the big ones, right? You said the jumbo's. Yeah, jumbo's actually, so all interest rates

over the last two months. Because when inflation goes up, that's what they tend to do, right? That they throw up interest rates and all that stuff. So it is very interesting. Here's the other interesting thing. When they count inflation, it's funny. They'll take food and gas prices

out of the inflation numbers. Oh, it's only, we're only growing it this much, like the two most important thing. I know. It's food. That's the, yeah, net cessades. But they do expect inflation to, inflation numbers. Oh, it's only we're only growing it this much like the two most important thing. I know. Food. Yeah. They, yeah, that's S S. Yeah. But they do expect inflation to. Yeah. It's so long quite a bit.

So the prevailing theories that we will see interest rates slowly climb the the bank source are are guaranteeing that they're not going to raise rates ridiculously. So you're we're not like you're talking about 3.1 to 3.6, right? So that's the prediction of where it's going to go. So, and the prediction is that we're going to still see double digit growth this year in real estate prices. So it'll continue to go all the way through summer. It's going to stay hot because inventory is low, interest rates are low, and there's still more buyers than there are houses. And then we might see a slow up, not a crash or a dip yet,

but a slow up to a plateau at the end of this year. My personal prediction is 2022 is when we're gonna start to see the dip because of all those things. It's gonna give also construction companies, by the way too, a part of what's caused this is the halt on construction companies. With COVID and everything like that, you couldn't go out and go build a bunch of new houses.

Have you seen the price of lumber and building material? Yeah, the materials are going way up. That too. Explode it because of manufacturing. It's a deep risk. Yeah, went down. So that alone will make the cost of building new things, you know, go through the roof.

Right, right. Yeah, it's interesting to see what's going to happen. Another thing that they're talking about is, so they have these companies that will purchase lots of rentals and they'll own like 2,000, 3,000, 10,000 units and they typically own apartment complexes. This is usually how these big companies that own rentals typically invest in multi-unit

complexes, but what they're finding now is that these big rental companies, big companies are now moving into the single-family home market because so many people want to rent now single-family homes. They want a backyard. They want space more than ever before. Normally that market of landlords are small owners. It's not these big companies, but they're finding these big companies are moving into the

small-family home market, which might drive the price up. People will always see it snatched up so quick. You know something that we were wrong about, that we talked about was this exodus from urban living to suburban living, and that we've seen like all these houses on the outskirts of cities increasing, and actually comparison, that when you look at the numbers over decades and stuff like that

It's all relative. So there's a surge in urban just as much as there is a surge in suburban like it's not it's not it's not out of whack I think a lot of us thought it was and thought oh my goodness all these prices are made sense. Yeah, yeah But it's it's just as hot in urban. So it's not like you're seeing this huge difference like what we thought earlier, because we heard, you know, there's all the, of course, the media is, you know, talking about, oh, this mass exodus in San Francisco and LA and everybody's leaving, not like what we thought. I mean, I do wonder about the cities though,

like in New York, San Francisco, LA, like what that market's all gonna look like with like all these vacant buildings. Well, Rent has gone down quite a bit in San Francisco. I know I got family that loves over there. For the first time ever, that picture you can ever say, that's gotta be a record. Rent has gone down.

I have another crazy stat down. I want you to look this up because somebody else, this is word of mouth. I didn't read this, so I wanna know if this is true. I was told by a client of mine. She said that 0.5%ifornia is how many uh... millionaires are billionaires billionaires in the in in california so point five percent so we wait point five percent of california is billionaires are billionaires

and of that point five percent they are responsible for fifty percent of the taxes paid in california in california of all taxes and takes all the credit for that So there's so there's this big fear of like you know the Joe Rogans and all these people that are like that are leaving California Absolutely on what that could potentially do see each fact check me here Doug because I think it was either 40 or 50% but that's crazy Just say what percentage of California's taxes are paid by California billionaires there You know, that would be the best way to Google it

But if that's true, that's crazy. The debt's not even a percent of the population. Well, the way that I percent of the population. Okay, I don't know what that number, I don't know if that number's accurate, but if it was, I would believe it because of the way the tax system is designed, it progresses up as a greater percentage.

And I mean, look, if you pay 30% of your taxes and you're a billionaire, or you pay 30% of your taxes and you're making a hundred grand a year in terms of total dollars way different way different. So that would make sense to me. Right. It takes thousands of those people to equate to that. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Very wealthy pay a big shot. I mean, I know we look at their taxes in relative terms Oh, that billionaire. He only paid $100 million, but he's got $1 billion or whatever. I get it in relative terms, but in terms of total dollar terms, wealthy people pay.

Well, it's huge, it's an interesting place for California to be and considering that a lot of these billionaires are tech billionaires, which doesn't require you to be here. So that's what I find really interesting is that it's different if you become a billionaire and you have a brick and mortar business that you built in a state.

It's a total different thing. If you built a virtual business or you are a tech company, right? And you have the ability to probably move any state. You just relocate pretty easily. Well, have you seen so, sometimes states will do that. Though, what states will do is they'll entice them to come over. Yeah, you saw that with Tesla and Oklahoma.

Yeah. There's like bidding wars to get those companies. You imagine that, you like, you like some successful business person and you're at home and then you're like, oh, you got a phone call. Who is it? It's governor of, you know, Virginia, huh? Yeah. Get on the phone.

Hey, listen. Yeah. Freemove over here. Freempre pancakes for the rest of your life. You guys move. I'm sold. I'm coming. Oklahoma, here we come. Yeah.

Free pancakes. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, back to inflation, I think the way, so the last time we had big inflation was in the 70s and look at the interest rates back then, they were double digit because that's how they control it. I think it's fair, it's very, it's more than reasonable to expect that we're going to be getting some crazy inflation at some point. I mean, we've printed, but

okay, this is, it's impossible not to you. You get one or the other, right? Will you either get massive inflation or the dollar goes down to be in a pace? Well, that's what I wanted. That's what happens. So because, because if you look at the total amount of money that exists in that's in circulation, this is a crazy thing. The vast majority of it was literally created recently. The last year. 50% and that's before, by the way, that's before this 1.9 trillion gets passed. So it was already at 50%. Another 1.9 gets passed. Now you're talking like 75% of the money is all that ever been created. That's not attached to any sort of good service or labor. What the fuck?

Yeah, I know. We're just playing with monopoly right now. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens with that. I guess the best way to protect yourself is to buy, I guess assets that'll rise in value along with the inflation property being one of them. Yeah, the article actually talked about the increase

that they predict from now to 2025 for rent renters, just the amount of renters that we'll, that we're gonna be hitting the market, it's gonna be a ton. So, one thing I wanted before I forget, Justin, I overheard you talking about that you're gonna be eating salmon very Friday. I wanna like, it's raw. I wanna show that I'm not just all fish dicks.

Yeah, I have more versatility and capabilities here. Where'd you get the salmon? Butcherbox. Oh, it's theirs. I still haven't had that one. You haven't? No, I haven't had their salmon. You do it, don't you?

You get the salmon there? How is it? It's good. I mean, it's, yeah. I've only had a couple of times, it was good. So this is the first time I'm actually gonna smoke it and put on a trigger. And so, yeah, so Courtney's getting that all ready

to go for when I get home. The key with salmon. This is Doug taught me this. The key with salmon is, not to overcook it. Yes, yeah, I know. We went under cooked. We went to a restaurant years ago, Doug and I,

and dry it. He ordered salmon and he goes, I'll have a medium rare. And I'm like, you can order salmon like that and he goes, absolutely. So I said, I'll do the same thing. Totally different experience. When you cook salmon too much. Oh, I know. It's not good It's so true. You know I yesterday

I had a poke bowl that was with salmon and it's like it's raw salmon I like the taste of that better than I like a restaurant salmon. That's cooked Yeah, I don't think I think it tastes really dry dry and like paste it sticks to your teeth Yes, no, no if you, if you cook it the right temperature and then if you season it right and whatever, salmon is, and then you eat it with rice, is that what you're gonna do? You're gonna have it with rice.

Now butcher-box salmon, that's all wild cut, right? Yeah, so no farm. No, and so you're gonna get a leaner piece of salmon. So if you like really fatty salmon, then yeah, you're not gonna get that with, butcher-box all their meat, obviously, is the grass-fed, natural kind of healthier varieties. But yeah, there you go.

Yeah, Sam and Ertuna, I mean, those are the ones like if I have to eat fish, like I'm gonna go in that direction. Wow. Oh wow, look at this statistic. Wow. The top fifth of household's got 54% of all income and paid 69% of federal taxes.

So the top one percent, so the top one percent of income earners paid 25% of all federal taxes. So a full 25%, a full quarter of all taxes in terms of dollars was paid by the top. Now, and that's all, so this is, I'm a federal. Yeah, so this is also, this is country wide, right? This is not just California.

Yes, that's correct. So I imagine that's skewed even more in California because we probably have, so between us in New York probably have the most, most billionaires in California. California has the, one of the biggest wealth disparities you can find anywhere. And that's what people, that would cause that number to be even more.

People don't know this, by the way, because people who've never been in California or lived in California, they think California is Silicon Valley, they think it's LA or San Diego. The truth is California is either really expensive with lots of people make a lot of money or Yeah, or it's it's like it's like middle of middle-the-country type, you know, where it's like cowboys and farms Yeah, central Valley like this is ignored by pretty much everybody else Well, you yeah, you have Modesto always where I grew up in that area.

And that was actually rated like one of the worst cities in the entire country. Well, I was as far as crime, poverty and like jobs, like it was like one of the worst places to be in the entire country. I remember managing my first gym in Salinas. And I was, you know, I pretty much stayed in San Jose and went to LA a couple of times growing up. So I never really went to other areas. Remember going to Salinas and seeing Cowboys.. So I never really went to other areas. Remember going to Selenis and seeing Cowboys? I was like Cowboys are in California.

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of protein at each sitting. And that's the most that you could do, which by the way coincidentally matched the protein servings you'd find in protein powders. Oh, that's great. And bars, right? Yeah, imagine a bar with 75 grams of protein, it would be gross, right? So there's like a limit that they put in the bar. Oh, that's strange. And bars, right? Yeah, imagine a bar with 75 grams of protein, it would be gross, right?

So there's like a limit that they put in the bar. But here's the truth. The truth is, whatever protein you eat at one time, you use. Now here's the caveat. How's your digestion? How do you feel? Yes.

Theoretically, you know, it could be 200 grams of protein, but if 200 grams of protein makes you feel sick, your stomach inflamed, gets you constipated Maybe even makes you throw up then yeah, that was probably too much for you Well actually more likely diarrhea Don't worry. I mean, I know when I started to push like if especially with like pro I mean there's a time when I thought Wait a second. Why do I why don't I just take three of these protein scoops in my shake? You know, I'm saying make a big old revolving there. Yeah, it's gas

Yeah, yeah, right away, I would be on the toilet. So if your body's not being able to digest it, then you are losing some of the value of the protein. And then it makes sense to reduce them out. But if you eat seven, now I can eat whole foods, right? I can eat a big ol' pound and a half a steak. And my body is just fine. It doesn't bother me whatsoever,

so you bet your ass that I'm using all of that protein. But I definitely notice if I were to do two or three scoops of way protein, or have a lot of dairy right away, my stomach and my stool. You know what dictates that for me is, just personally, I can eat a whole food, a large amount of protein, but as long as I don't have it with a large serving

of starchy carbohydrates. So, if I do like a big ol', like if I do like a 75 grams of protein in red meat and some vegetables, non-starchy, I'm okay, if I throw it with carbs, I can't digest it, and I start to have problems. But here's a deal with this, okay? Yes, you'll find studies that show that protein synthesis is better. If you consume around 35 grams and if you space it out by about four or five hours and blah, blah, blah, blah, you are splitting hairs.

When we're talking about all the things that affect how your body develops and adapts, we are splitting hairs. Here's what you should dictate how much protein, here's what you should use to dictate how much protein you consume at a sitting, your digestion, how you feel in your digestion. Much better metric to use, not the studies that you see that show that, oh, protein synthesis is 10% higher if you eat this much protein over this much protein.

Look at your digestion. Now, when we talk about digestion, there's a wide variance between individuals. I've worked with clients who over 15 grams of protein, I had a female client once who would want anything over 15 grams of protein at one serving and it did affect her negatively, digestively. And so that was what she ate and we ate small meals throughout the day because she could not do more than 15 grams at a sitting. I've also worked with clients who eat once a day and would eat 100 plus grams of protein

at one sitting and fell absolutely fine. It's the digestion that should dictate this for you. It is, don't base it off of these splitting hairs studies. Yeah, I've had to cut off my eating after like seven, seven, 30 because anything after that is, it keeps me up at night, it ruins my sleep, like all that kind of stuff. So that's a factor for me, just to consider digestion

was I think that's like a good benchmark. Well, have you guys identified, let me ask you guys, because I know I have the most digestive sensitivities, right? But let me ask you guys, have you called to me? Sure. Makes it sound less tough, thanks Adam. So I do tell me issues. Have you guys noticed when your digestion is off,

how much that impacts your performance, strength, and physique? You're finding yourself. It's huge. It's huge. When your digestion is off and you're inflamed and you're the constipated or you have diarrhea or you're bloated, you kiss your gains goodbye.

Your performance in the gym is gonna be crap. You're gonna get sore more often. You're not gonna be a strong, your endurance is stamina, will be reduced. And I know too many people ignore those signs in favor of the, I'm supposed to eat this much protein in some of these numbers. I think it's so arbitrary to me.

Like again, again, that is, it's such a personal individualized thing and experience and I really do feel like that's probably like what people should pay attention to the most is like how that's You know contributing negatively towards like your performance in the gym or your sleep or all these other things Now do you also think there's a wide spectrum here like totally where you know because we're talking about the extremes right now Either you can eat 80 grams and be fine or it messes your gut up But what about somewhere in the middle where it kind of does do you think that that even that person is losing some of the benefits of that 80 grams of protein?

So maybe you get a little constipated a little bit or maybe you like your your stool is a little loose, but it's not like perfect or ideal. So it's affecting you, but it's not affecting you so streamed or you feel debilitated from it. You know, in the past, I would push that those minor signals with myself and even with my clients. And years ago, I had a really, really bad autoimmune reaction in my gut. And that really caused me to take a bigger look at things. And so the way I actually changed the way I trained people, and if they got a little bit bloated, if they got a little bit constipated, a little bit loosed stool, we would still

adjust and we saw way better results. It's not worth the trade, in my opinion. Yeah, and Rob will have actually just addressed this on his podcast and he posted on his Instagram, literally just like two days ago. And he alluded to that, you know, that think the bodybuilder's got this right. Like he said that, you know, this idea of, you know,

six small meals because of the slight benefits that you get from the protein since this is a spike every single time you take in about 30 grams of protein, he goes, it's probably the most ideal way, but I also agree that it's like, you're splitting hairs in a difference here. If someone could handle digesting it

in all in two meals, you're fine. You're not gonna lose gains because of that, unless it's affecting your digest. Also consider this, here's the real big reason why bodybuilders do that. It's not for the protein synthesis spiking. The reason why bodybuilders do that is they're eating 5,000 calories in a day. Yeah, I've discussed this on the point. Try eating 5,000 calories in three meals.

Oh, you're going to feel terrible. Well, that was our big debate early on, right? Because we came out talking about the small meal myth early, right? And I was the one who took the stance to support it and to chat more. And then you were eating, again, like, 4500 times. Yeah, I was eating five, six meals a day. And that was my comeback to that

because we were dispelling that myth to, you know, the masses saying that, listen, this whole idea that, excuse me, that you need to eat five, six times a day is wrong. But if you're somebody like where I was at and you're eating 4,000 plus calories a day, like good luck doing that in two meals, especially if you're doing it healthy. It's easy to get 2,000 bad calories driving through jack in the box, but try eating 2,000 calories

of yams and chicken breast. You know, I'm saying like, no, you're not getting it. You're not getting it down in one sitting like that. And if you do one, you're not doing it twice a day. So it was almost had to break it up in four to six meals. Next question is from Dylan James Russell. I'm curious about whether or not a massage helps promote muscle growth. Also do massage guns actually work or are they a marketing gimmick? I mean, indirectly, yes, right?

Okay, so anything that promotes blood flow and recovery is going to help speed up. I mean, it unlocks like movement potential. Yeah, there's two ways that massage done properly. I wanna make sure I say that because you can go to a spa and you can get a regular massage that makes you feel better. And I guess there's some benefits to that as well. Or you could see somebody who really knows what they're doing,

who knows how to work on your body in a way that improves movement and targets the areas that you need specific work on. And by the way, those massages tend to be more uncomfortable than relaxing. If you've ever had a real sports massage, it's not the relaxing spa massage, it hurts. But then you move better afterwards.

So there's two ways massage can actually help you build muscle. One is it helps you move better and then locks better ranges of motion. Very similar but superior to like a foam roller, right? When people do the foam roller and then you can get better squats, deeper squats, better activation, that through that process, you're probably going to build more muscle and get better results. But there's also a secondary way, it's minor, so don't get excited. But there is a secondary way that massage builds muscle. It is through the stimulating of the muscle of protein synthesis through the pressure being placed on muscle. You actually see

that with stretching as well. Believe it or not, deep stretching or deep tissue massage by itself will stimulate some muscle growth. Now, I wanna be clear, it pales in comparison to lifting weights. So if you just get deep tissue massages, don't expect results anywhere near even doing one workout a week. But by themselves, they do stimulate a little bit of muscle growth. Same thing with deep stretching.

And I think this is why you see like pro bodybuilders get deep, deep tissue massages. In fact, I'll tell you what I experienced. Adam, I'd love your input on this because I know Katrina is expert massage therapist. When I got really deep tissue massages, when I got off the table, I had a pump like I finished working out.

So the joke in my house right now, right? So this is broad and broad up multiple times. I jab at her all the time. You know, that she's very, very busy. Between work and raising my son, there's not the same time that she has to massage. Maybe her whole boyfriend, she's massage, right? So I used to, and I've talked about this before, when we first met, she massaged me every single night for an entire year.

That's no joke, no exaggeration. And she still massages me, just not nowhere near as frequent. And I used to get a table massage, a deep tissue sports massage, a two hour one, at least three times a week when I was competing. And I swear to God, like, I attribute a lot of that to my ability to recover and grow and keep building because she did, and it's for both reasons. I don't know how much of that I was getting the benefits of her stimulating me and that's what I felt, what I really felt was the recovery.

Was I would go out with train really hard, I would be super sore, she would come in and do some deep work on me, and instantly I can move again. I could go do some mobility and I could train again where how I feel today, if I overreach and I'm sore, I'm like out of training that for like four days.

It hurts or I'm just doing mobility and it takes like a couple days of where she could give me that relief like almost instantly. Like I would be I would know like what we would do is like anytime I especially when I trained legs because my hips and my low back I would just that's I had to do my deep tissue on that day and it would totally mitigate how bad I was sore the next day and it allowed me I feel to really scale the volume up. I can't handle that kind of volume today because I just don't have the recovery process. Well, also I really found the value was getting a massage and then also unlocking, like if I had to work on certain areas of mobility and regaining range of motion where it was

like really stiff and, you know, trying to do that, to almost dry and cold was, was a lot more difficult, took a lot more work, took a lot more time out of me than going in training and getting back into the workouts of it, whereas having clients or myself go through massage therapy and then being able to then now work on those specific types of mobility drills was so much more effective. I wish I was doing mobility like I do today

and when I've done for the last couple of years, back when I was competing and getting massage. In addition. Yes, I wish that. It's a great combo. Oh, it would be. I was luckily for her. I got away with not doing mobility back then.

It was like literally part of her helping me get mobile and move again would be doing these deep tissue massages. And it was enough for me to keep progressing and growing where I did not put the effort in a mobile. I wish I would have combined the two of those who knows how I'd feel. I want to be very clear, there's a huge difference between a massage therapist who knows how to do that

and one who doesn't, huge difference. I was not a believer. So I fell in love, right? She closed the shed. I tell you what, when you get... You knew the body. When you get somebody, I mean, as trainers, right? So we appreciate this, right?

Because we know the body very well. Right. And the muscle system, right? Very, very well. So, and I know, when I train a certain way, where exactly I'm sore, why I'm sore there, and it's so amazing when you can get a massage therapist

that can just start to put hands on you, and without you saying or communicating anything, no right where to go to release it. Oh, totally, I was gonna say, I used to be, I was the opposite back in the day. I thought massage was a waste of time. I thought, oh yeah, it makes you feel good, that's fine, but it's a waste of time.

I used to think the same thing. Then I had my personal training wellness facility, and I brought a massage therapist in because I wanted it to be well-rounded. Well, she was incredible, and she knew the body like a trainer would. She would do things like, oh, your QL is really tight. Oh, I can see that I need to work on your so-as

or your glute meat is tight. Let me work on this area, or I can see the pattern here. And she was excellent. She did, and she sold me because i would get clients that would come in with mobility issues and this is what we would end up doing i would train them then they go see her and then i see them again the following week and the improvement that i saw in their movement was it was light years ahead of where it was if they were just working with me. So I had a huge improvement. And then even with myself, I had really bad, this is back when I was doing Jiu-Jitsu in Judo a lot.

And I had really bad tennis elbow. And she did two sessions on my forms. And I mean, they were grueling. It was an hour and a half each. Gone. It was gone after two sessions. I couldn't believe it. So after that, I said, okay, somebody who knows what they're doing,

they're just as valuable as a personal trainer. I agree. And to address the other part of the question, the massage gun, I do look at that a little bit more like foam rolling and something where I can self-apply some relief, but it's really just band-aiding something that may need a little bit more of really pinning down the root of the cause of what keeps getting me tight, you know, over and over again, but it does help to initially sort of, you know, allow for you to get further in that range of motion work on it.

Yeah, it's massage is literally a form of central nervous system training. That's what they're doing. When they're pressing on a muscle, using massage, massage on a muscle, and it's moving really fast. What it's doing is it's getting the central nervous system to adapt, which is why muscles will loosen up

or whatever, chill out. Massage guns are great tools, but really it's okay, like any gun, even a real gun, it's the effectiveness of it and it lies not in the gun, but more so in the person using it. So if you have a massage gun, good for you, do you know how to use it and apply it properly? And where to use it?

That makes a bigger difference. Definitely. Next question is from Jassian G. What are some muscle building tips for teenagers? Oh wow. Here's the best advice. So I started working out at 14 at a young age and I was right out the gates,

fanatical about it. And I got some advice at a young age, I was 16 years old, and the best advice I ever got ever was at that age, and it was this. It was, make sure you have good form and get strong. It wasn't, it wasn't, do all these different exercises,

it wasn't, whatever, it was, get strong, and it was special focus on squatting, deadlifting, pressing, rowing, and overhead pressing. And I remember the guys told me, they said, look, you could do all the cables and machines and angles and pump and all you want, but if you really want to pack on muscle and strength and size, just get really, really strong at these movements.

The stronger you get at these movements, the more muscle you'll see and the better results. And it was the bad, it was true. Totally true. I had a similar experience. Thankfully, I had a good strength conditioning coach who was really well versed in the compound lifts and really just kept us staying within those compound lifts

and just mastering the technique and just focusing on each time we did them improving just sharpening our technique and performance of it. And then we would add load and all that progressively, but the overall message was getting stronger gradually, but really just honing in on those real impactful type of exercises that you're gonna be able to carry on with you from there on out.

Yeah, I would definitely, there's so much going through my head right now of all the things that I would advise a Yeah, I would definitely, because there's so much going through my head right now, of like all the things that I would advise a teenager that I did wrong, right? So, one, the over application of intensity. Oh yeah, that one's right. So, that's just your teenage boy, especially. Yes, right, you're testosterone's through the roof,

you got all kinds of energy. And you wanted that. Yeah, and if you're at all a motivated person, like I did not lack motivation, it was like, and I thought the harder I trained and. Yeah, and if you're at all a motivated person, I did not lack motivation. It was like, and I thought the harder I trained and the more I put, especially when you watch all the hype, all the stuff on IG, all the things on YouTube, everything is built around this motivation,

beast mode, no days off hype, and that just fed right into my teenage mind. Like it was just like, yeah, I gotta go kill it to get big. And, you know, that would be the first thing. The next thing that I would say is it took me until my 20s before I actually calculated my macros, where I actually sat down and like started. Back then we had to do it long form.

They have great apps now that make it very easy for teenagers. Back then I had a calorieking.com book. I had to write it on pieces of paper to figure that out So and that's why too I always advise this to all clients no matter what your goal is regardless of your age Because until you do that it's really hard to get an idea of truly what your own behaviors and habits are and I Remember finding out how grossly how much I was under consuming protein and calories in general. I was burning a ton of calories and was just not feeding my body enough calories to grow

like I wanted to. And because I was training so intensely and every day and playing basketball, no wonder I couldn't grow because I couldn't quite eat as much as I was moving. So that's something I would tell my teenage self. The other thing I would definitely drill home and you guys both kind of touched on it is the big four, big five, right? Those four or five compound lifts, the bench, the squat, the overhead press,

the dead lift and the row, those movements, it literally should be 90% of what you do. Just get good at those. Get practice those two, three times a week minimum, and your most of your routine should be built around that. You eating enough calories, training appropriately, intensely, it's not about more days. So three, four days a week is actually

plenty for a young guy or young girl to grow. Absolutely. So three, four days a week, focusing on those lifts, eating enough calories. That's what I would tell my team. And you'll see the muscle come on your body. It's for stronger you get, the more muscle you get on your body, but good form.

And I'm gonna say that again, good form, because it's a teenager. When I heard strong, I heard just move more weight, but they sat me down and they literally said to me, get stronger, but if your form goes as shit, it's not worth it, you're not gonna get the gain. So those patterns are gonna be hardwired forever. So that's like what you want to really build and develop the right habits right away. Next question is from JBLSZKW.

Is that a robot? Yes, maybe. ZB will be. Two, nine, seven. What do you think of functional patterns and their stance that weightlifting in its traditional form does more harm than good? Okay, is that one goofball? Yeah, and you know what? Okay, here's a deal. Okay. He has smart guy He's got some good stuff He's very smart and actually appreciate a lot of the stuff he does We went at it a little bit of how went years ago, didn't we? Yes, we did and he's a contrarian by nature and he but here's a problem He's one of those like camp guys. And he, but here's the problem. He's one of those like camp guys.

Yep. No, it's my camp. And traditional weight training, no value, more harm than good. What? I like a lot of stuff he does and says that. Right. I, I, I, I, I, I, I used to follow him. I don't think I follow him anymore, but, and we, and we did go back and forth.

And by the way, he was very respectful, polite to us, right? Like, I know we, we came at him a little bit, and then we went back and forth. I know we had some dialogue via IG way back in the days. Um, and it was good. It was very, he's intelligent. He has a lot of good arguments. There's, there he has a lot of really good points for a lot of, for most people, but this goes right back to the, the beginning of this conversation we had in the intro of talking about CrossFit and people falling in love with their modality that like their way is the best way and the truth is okay So you know you maybe you're the jiu-jitsu of of you know weightlifting

Maybe you are one of the better, you know martial arts that are out there for for ultimate fighting But it doesn't mean that learning how to box learning how to do karate learning to do all these other other modalities would not serve most people I just he's done a really good job too with like the clickbait stuff by challenging the norm. And I know that's what pisses off a lot of the, and that's just it. I don't think we got mad about it. Like, because he's attacking, just like,

he's attacking squat and these important movements and that we should be doing all this. He doesn't like anything bilateral. Yeah, he wants everything unilateral and rotational. Which, hey, guess what? This, I support that. Because I'll tell you right now, 90% No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no unilateral and rotational, which hey, guess what? I support that because I'll tell you right now, 90% of my clients would greatly benefit a entire program centered around unilateral training and rotational training. Right.

So does that mean they wouldn't benefit from bilateral squatting or deadlifting or pressing? Because here's the benefit of doing things with both legs or both arms at the same time. The load and the strength gains you get from them are tremendous. Here's the wonderful thing about strength. Strength contributes to pretty much every other physical attribute in a very, very big way.

Now, it's not the only thing, right, but it does contribute quite a bit. So if you gained 50 pounds to your barbell squat or you gained 15 pounds to your unilateral lunge, which one is gonna give you better, more overall strength, the squat, because the total strength is so much higher. And bilateral movements allow that.

Bilateral meaning again, both arms and both legs. So don't get stuck in your, this is his thing. He's like, you know, functional, I mean, look at the name, functional patterns. This is the best, everything else sucks. There's value and a lot of stuff that's out there. Have you guys gone through his stuff and all the time I'm pulling on his page right now?

I haven't been on his page in a really long time. He's got a lot of good stuff. I recommend people go check him out and learn from him, but don't get stuck. He works a lot on people's gates and posture and helping people with serious spine discrepancies and I think he does a lot of really great work, but also it's very much a camp.

It's very much like you guys said in terms of dismissing any other form of training as any value. And so there's a disservice with that. You can't just dismiss what has been time tested, excuse me, I'm gonna show you a couple of this. Yeah, so obviously there's been value and people have gotten a massive benefit from muscular gains by adding substantial load

to dead lifts and backloaded squats and things like that. And you've seen that carry and transfer into, to sport specifically, but also just general health and fitness. I like his stuff. I just, you know, I think that we live in this social media world, right? Where everything gets just,

and the more the more. He's firing against what everybody else is doing. And not just that, but the more, I guess, extreme and absolute your statement is, the more views you're going to get in the more pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And defending him more, right? Like where I can get behind, like, I mean, we, again, at this episode, we talked and we

loved to poke at CrossFit. Why do we like to poke at CrossFit? Because people are so married to that idea. So I get that. Like we do a little bit of that of ourselves the way he goes after the squat and deadlift and challenges the way everybody thinks because the strength community is so married to that way of training that's like, you know, and I hear as much as we promote it because we think that a majority of people need to learn or work towards it, it doesn't mean

that I have not trained a ton of clients where we never squat at our deadlift. That has happened many, many times where I want to get them there, but I could train some people for years and we may never get there. And that's to his point and the things that he thinks that most clients should be focusing on. So, I could get behind a lot of stuff that he says. But it's... You know, the thing about exercises this,

there's general truths that will apply across the board. For example, progressive overload is gonna get you stronger, build more muscle strength, is a great physical attribute that contributes to other physical attributes very well. There's general truths, right? But aside from that, it's a very nuanced conversation. And when you're just on Instagram,

which is a short social media kind of media posts and stuff like that, you got to make these kind of absolute statements. But the reality is, and here's by the way, ladies and gentlemen, this is the reason why Adam Justin and myself and Doug decided to do a podcast and not to do other forms of social media. Fitness is a conversation. It can't be answered in a statement or a single post. The conversations are quite nuanced. Why do we know this? Because we trained so many people.

And I got my paradigm shattered all the time. I would have an idea about what fitness was and how it worked for everybody. And then I get a client that would throw it all out the window. I remember when I thought, nobody should be vegan. It's never, never should be vegan. Humans evolved eating meat, blah, blah. And then I worked with a couple clients where 100%

they felt better not eating meat. And so my paradigm was shattered. And I had to look at it from a different standpoint. This has happened so many times. It's a very nuanced conversation. And one thing you should do, especially if you're hiring a trainer, when you hear a trainer who's like, no, that this is the only way, everything else is, you gotta be careful

with that. That's somebody that doesn't have a lot of experience working with lots of people. Again, it's a nuanced conversation, it's complex. Yeah, fitness isn't an ongoing conversation. It's something that's ever changing too, and you don't have the same body, you know, the entire way through applying the same formula. You have to change it up too. And that's an inconvenient truth that people have to deal with is that your body changes

you get older. There's all kinds of new variables that get presented to you with health issues and other things that arise. And so this is something that is a continual thing that you need to look into and peer into. Totally. Look, go to mindpumpfree.com and go check out some of our guides.

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