Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1511: How to Properly Use Creatine, How to Weigh Meat When Tracking Macros, the Truth About Cholesterol & More

Episode Date: March 17, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how much creatine to consume, whether high cholesterol is still the demon it was once thought to be, whether you should weigh your meat raw or cooked, and movements that help older people build strength. Mind Pump on dirty song lyrics of their youth. (4:22) Burger King is a marketing genius. (12:09) Addressing the hip thrust versus back squat controversy from a previous episode. (16:54) Does the use of anabolic steroids cause long-term testosterone production damage? (20:42) Ned’s new product ‘Mello’ is blowing the guy's minds! (24:09) How success breeds more success. (29:00) Mind Pump’s theories on the recent non-fungible token (NFT) craze. (34:10) Did you know there is an approved surgery to make you taller?! (39:35) What will the long-term effects of masks be? (42:10) How the Public Goods membership service works. (48:41) #Quah question #1 - How much creatine should I consume and when? (51:00) #Quah question #2 – Is high cholesterol still the demon we once thought it was? Such as having high LDL, but also having high HDL? (55:47) #Quah question #3 – When using a food scale to track ounces of meat, should you measure raw or cooked? (1:03:08) #Quah question #4 – Lots of people have older family members they care for. If you were to recommend a few movements that would help them build some strength, what would they be? (1:05:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned March Specials: Get in Shape for Summer! MAPS HIIT, MAPS Spilt, and the Bikini Bundle all half off! - Promo code “SPRINGBREAK” at checkout iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy–and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood–and What That Means for the Rest of Us Burger King apologizes for saying 'women belong in the kitchen' in a tweet advertising a new scholarship for female chefs Back Squat vs. Hip Thrust Resistance-training Programs in Well-trained Women – PubMed Bodybuilding steroids linked to long-term testicular damage, study finds - CNN Mind Pump #1507: Everything You Need To Know About Steroids With John Romano What Does Magnesium Do For Your Body? Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy Digital art by Beeple sells for $69.4 million amid NFT boom What's An NFT? And Why Are People Paying Millions To Buy Them? Men are paying $76,000 for a limb-extending surgery that involves breaking leg bones and inserting nails and screws Erase the Face: How to Dehumanize an Entire Population Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Photobiomodulation in human muscle tissue: an advantage in sports performance? Cholesterol For Muscle Gains – Mind Pump Blog New federal guidelines may lift dietary cholesterol limits MAPS Macro Calculator Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Connor Murphy (@connormurphyofficial)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just tuned into the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Now in today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episodes was with an intro portions where we talk about current events. We have a lot of fun with banter.

We talk about scientific studies. We mentioned some of our sponsors. Today's intro was 45 minutes long. After that we got into the questions. It got wild today, so. Here's a rundown of today's podcast. So we opened up by talking about dirty song lyrics. Oh, yeah.

Good ones. Memories. From our childhood. Then, yeah. Good ones. Memory. From our childhood. Yes. Then we talked about Burger King. Are they really the king of fast food? Then we talked about how knackered I was for my ridiculous leg workout.

My ego still gets in the way, Justin. Yeah, you know, we need to do it. It sucks. Then we talked about the hip thrust versus squat controversy in a previous episode we mentioned a study that showed that squats were superior for building the butt, but there's some controversy around that. So we kind of address that.

There's a couple of butts you threw out there. The two butts. Then we talked about steroids and long-term damage. Study came out showing that there may be some long-term damage from even doing a few cycles of anabolic steroids. Then we talked about one of our sponsors, Ned. They have a new product called Melo. This stuff is legit, okay?

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Here's the first one. This person wants to know how much creating they should take on a daily basis and when they should take it. The next question, this person wants to know if high cholesterol is still the demon we once thought it was. The third question, this person wants to know when you're weighing your food, should you do it raw

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includes your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Hey, shout out to Andrew, by the way. Yeah. The man behind the YouTube channel. So those of you that are watching this, he is the one. So it makes you give him some love on there. He's the one that puts all the cuts and edits and makes the show a little more entertaining than just our stupid faces. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got stupid faces.

All right. We try. You remember when you were a kid songs that you you listened to that were like Risky or controversial. Do you guys remember that when you were real young? Yeah, cuz I was one I have one song I won six you know you was at a big deal for you. Well, it was like it's six great Yeah, I think inappropriate. Wait, wait, hold on. Who is that again? That was a color me bad. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god I remember that mainstream. Yeah, they were really good. You know what song was a big deal? That I remember my parents were like, tune it off! Two live crew.

No, go, obviously. I'm telling you what songs that were like, not so super obvious. Candy man, knocking boots. I got in trouble for that one. Did you? Yeah, my parents ripped the tape out. You know what's funny?

Was that, that happened to me? I think what, I don't, maybe Doug could check the date on. Candy man, knocking boots, when that one that was released. So I was, I was pretty young. I was in the Modesto House. I was like 90,. I think what, I don't, maybe Doug could check the date on. Candyman, knocking boots, when that one that was released. So I was, I was pretty young. I was in the Modesto house. I was like 90.

So I had a, I wanna say I was like fourth grade-ish somewhere around there. And yeah, got in big trouble. You were 16 years old and fourth grade, right? So like that. A hundred times you skipped that. Yeah. No, so I, I remember my parents

grounding me taking that, like I was in big trouble over that. I'm feeling like, oh my God, that was so bad. And years way later, way later, I remember going back and being like, oh my God, that song, can't even, let me listen to it, I'm like, oh my God. It's like not bad at all.

No, dude. It's just because the song is inferring. Yeah, inferring that they are. Wow, 1990. Yeah, yeah. Wow, look at that, huh? 90. That's a good year.

Yeah. For me, it was, I don't remember the name of the person either. It was, I touched myself. You remember that song? Yes. When I think about you, I touch myself. Oh. Yeah, I was like, did you control that?

Did you know anybody? Yes. I don't know. I mean, how do you know that? You know, because the song made me tell. Full of worthless information. You remember that song? Not like that.

Really? I know all the lyrics. Yeah, I just, but that's what does that. I'm sure you had a poster of it. This is how Justin figured it out. Yeah. It's like touch myself. I mean,

and then what? Let me give this a shot, then what's, then you take off your pants. No, they don't say, did it around, oh no. Something like that. And it's like taking notes. In the video it was kind of weird.

Like the girl wasn't that, she wasn't really that hot, but when I figured out what she was talking about. Does anybody know who it is? You know who it is? Doug, look it up. No, I touch myself song. That's where my memory stops. And when it, yeah, what year is it, too?

And then click on Images, no, don't do that. Just click on, oh there, the, the Vinyls. Is that like a one-hit wonder? Yeah, never. Yeah, never. Look at her, I remember her bangs were so long it couldn't see her eyeballs. See that right there? divinals. Is that like a one-hit wonder? Yeah, never did. Her dude, look at her. I remember her bangs were so long it couldn't see her eyeballs. See that right there?

She's banging. She's, what year? Open up the lyrics there, Doug. Let's look at the lyrics real quick. Let's revisit. Let's revisit. That says, I love myself. I want you to love me when I feel down.

I want you above me. Oh wow. I search myself. I want you to find me. I forget myself. I want you to remind me. This is myself, I want you to remind me. This is poetic. I don't want anybody else, what I think about you,

I can't find myself. I mean, it's snow wet as pussy, but it tries. Sugs of come along with it. Sucked. Actually, actually, it's not true. If you listen to some of the music of the 70s, whoa, whoa. There was a song called Cocaine. That's the title of the song.

By cream? I think that's song called Cocaine. That's the title of the song. By cream? I think that's it. Cocaine. As a parent, what would you be more nervous about your kids hearing? Be honest, think about that right now. What song? Yeah, like, okay, a song that's talking all about doing Cocaine

or a song all about what has pussy. Oh, well, I'm kind of a toss up. Yeah, I think. I mean, yeah, you have a Cocaine. Well, I think I mean, yeah, yeah, you have a cocaine. Well, I mean, that would be worse. I mean, I mean, the really with your stance on drugs, you think that that would be worse? Well, I mean, what would you rather have your kid, like, dabble in? I'm saying, it's going to influence him. He's for sure. You're my outlet in one of those. Yeah,

you're kid like, yeah, dad, I don't worry. I just hit the song cocaine. So I'm just doing some lines on it. Or you want your son to come home and I tested out. Dad, I dad, I don't worry, I just hit the song cocaine, so I'm just doing some lines. I want to do something. Or you want your son to come home and be like, just like, test it out. Dad, I heard the way that puts his song. That was definitely some one. Yeah, I was definitely some, I think I'm going in the second option.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Well, that's a good point. It's a bad point. I thought that, I hadn't thought that far. Oh, so, Wow, so the things you gotta consider as a parent. Yeah, well now because of the internet, forget about it dude,

at least there was at least some semblance of control, you know that our parents had. The dirty movies were scrambled, you couldn't really watch them. If you wanted to listen to something crazy, it wasn't on the radio, or if it was it was censored, you had to go buy it, but now it's just a couple clicks of the mouse and, you know,

whew, I know. You can see all kinds of stuff. Yeah, you think you can sit at both of these firewalls. Dude, they know their way around it. Totally. Anytime. You know, there's a lot of alarmists around that idea, right? That it's so easy access for kids, but there's some positive to that.

Don't you think, too? It's kind of like what we brought up the other day about the whole drinking age, like some countries that there is no drinking age, so it's not a big deal to drink out of drink alcohol. Because it's so easy to have access to nudity and pornography and stuff like that. So it's like responsible cocaine use versus coke crazy. That coke, I'm talking about the nudity. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're, I think there's definitely some appointments. Yeah, I, I jinn alluded to that, right? The book I, Jen, talks about that.

It's not all, all negative, you know, and I think you've brought this up, which these stats are inside that book too. You know, kids are waiting longer to experiment with drugs. Kids are waiting longer to have sex, to get married, to drive cars, all things that can be considered risky, right? So I know, like my son, dude, he's 15, right? He'll turn 16 this summer, and he's gonna do this permit test online,

and he's just dragging his ass, like just waiting, and I'm like, what are you doing? Man, when I was 16, I was like, I didn't wanna be ready the day I turned six. I mean, I didn't get my, yeah. It was your way to get out of the house and actually hang out with your friends. I think, too, that's the other thing. It's like you can hang out with your friends

just by chatting virtually. Well, not just that, too. Uber. Yeah, that's too. Uber is so easy. I mean, Uber is so easy and inexpensive. So if you're a kid who would end up having to pay for his car and pay for his insurance, actually, that's not bad. Yeah, think about that. If you're a kid, like, I mean, the family

I grew up and I would have to pay for these things, right? So they weren't going to have insurance gas car. Yeah, that's expensive. You know, even a clunker is going to cost you a few hundred bucks at least a month, which is pay 10 bucks to get it right here there. That's right. You'd have to do a lot of rides with Uber to actually just- And I think that's- Did you guys ever hitchhike back in the day? Oh, wow.

Yeah, because like- Like, did one time- Think about that now. I mean, you have Uber, like, who's hitchhike anymore? Nobody. Nobody. Well, you know that was a big deal back in the day, right? No.

Well, before we were kids, It was like, yeah, like serial killers, like murder. Well, so, okay, you wanna hear a failed, you wanna hear a failed toy idea? Yeah. So there was a, I can't wait to hear you tie this to hitchhike. Oh yeah, no, there was a,

there was a, back, I think it was in the 60s. I don't know the name of this toy, but it was a toy that you put an address on it or something like that and a note inside. And you, I don't know how it worked. You left it on the road or whatever. And the idea was that cars would drive by pick it up and hitchhike it down. And then you'd get this, and it's like this fun game.

What? And then parents were like, wait a minute, it's got my kids name on it and their address. And some random person could pick it up and find us. This was a real thing. This was a toy idea that was one of those big flops. That, you know, this famous flops. Thank God. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the name of it, but this was a real thing. This was a toy idea that was one of those big flops. You know, it's this famous. Thank God. Yeah, I don't know the name of it But this was a real thing. Google that. What are the what are the most of failed? Like a Pitchhiker. Pitchhiker failed toy. I want to see failed toys in general. What are some like flop toys?

Or no good probably all the phallic toys? No, you know what it is. It's always no sweet a minute. This carrot doesn't look like a carrot Wait a minute. This carrot doesn't look like a carrot. It's not those things. It's the ones that are dangerous. You don't think that what a kid would do with it, right? It's always, that's the norm with the fail. It's right or the like the way. Practice operating on your friends.

Yeah. No, that's not it. Wait, cabbage patch, snack time kids. That's a, what? Airport security place. Burger King, Pokemon container. These are all newer ones. You got to look up the one. Hey, speaking of Burger King, did you guys see the news around them with the apology? Yes. The tweet they did. I thought that what they did was smart.

A brilliant. So I saw our buddy Connor, right, who talks all mostly political stuff and he was bringing this up and was talking about it. To me, it's very, okay, Burger King, by the way, I love Burger King apps. Burger King is brilliant. They are, then they're smart on social media. If you watch them, them, Wendy's, McDonald's isn't quite there yet. There's, where's the ones that we're gonna plan on delivering people in traffic at one point?

Was that them that they, and they brought that up a long time ago. Yeah, a long time ago, anyway. So, they're already like ahead of the curve in their compared to their peers with social media. And we know how things are going right now with like everybody is so quick to jump all over. And for them to come out and tweet something

like women should stay in the kitchen. Like, come on. It said women belong in the kitchen. Yeah, women belong in the kitchen. Now, here's why they said that. And I think it was brilliant. Wow. Yeah. I'm trying to take the sin kitchen. Yeah, women belong in the kitchen. Now, here's why they said that. And I think it was brilliant. Wow. Yeah.

I'm trying to take the sin right now. Yeah, that just happened. Yeah, you come on. You cannot tell me Burger King is worth billions of dollars. It does not have a brilliant marketing team that knows that. Well, so here's what it was. It was that the chefs in high level cooks, it's dominated by men.

And what they were saying is, essentially, they're trying to promote, we need to come out with programs that's not what they were doing though. That was their brilliant span. That was on how to cover their ass when people came after them. No, brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant marketing.

I love that though. Like way to play with this, like, yeah, oh, what? Yeah, confused. Yeah, I'm angry. Yeah, I'm angry. I love that though like way to play with this like yeah, oh what yeah confused Yeah, I'm angry. Yeah, I said but it's for good thing. Yeah, I'm not mad anymore. I really want a whopper You know what I'm so angry if you so much energy being angry and like it's okay, so I'm hungry Yeah, you know when I get real mad. I just want food Get a whopper. I haven't had a whopper.

Wow. What a spin on that. No, it's smart, right? Very smart. Very, very smart. Are you guys a whopper or Big Mac? Big Mac. Really?

Yeah. It's a bread sandwich. It doesn't matter. It's that special thousand island sauce. That's so special. You and special sauces, that's what it goes. Yeah. It's just got a lot of bread in it.

It's so sauce. The whopper is just meaty, it's got more stuff. The double wopper is more meat. But not the regular wopper. It's all about Carl's Jr. We get to do this. Well yeah, I didn't even say that. Honestly, all the Western bacon, Chee, hello.

All of them suck. I tried to have one not that long ago. I don't know, a few months. That area right away. Oh yeah, just right through me. I can't even enjoy it. I mean, it's like, I'm happy. I haven't had one of yours.

Halfway through the burger, I'm already the bathroom. Do you know what my son said that I think I brought it this up already on the podcast a while ago? I thought was brilliant. So we don't eat a lot of traditional fast food. We just don't. I mean, when I was a kid, you know, we would buy McDonald's here and there, especially when I worked with my dad for lunch, it was like a treat because I was working with him and helping him. That's how he would pay me. He'd play me lunch, looking back and like, nice dad, thanks.

But anyway, my kids, really, they've had McDonald's maybe twice in their life. I don't think they've ever had Burger King. They've never had Carl's Jr. They've never had Jack in the box. They've never had Taco Bell. Like all these, so my son goes, you know what I want to do? He goes, I want to go on a fast food tour with you.

And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, I've never tried all of these very popular fast food places. Dairy clean, burger king, and Sonic. He goes, I think we fun. If you and I went, and did this for like a week or two, where we went to one each time and tried different things. How, that's kind of fun, right?

Yeah, I don't know, dude. You bought a little merchandise. A little merchandise while know, dude. You bought a little, a little, a little merchandise. All you're there, you know, little plastic toys. How did you get diabetes? Well, my dad took me on a tour. Yeah, I know. I'm all the best. You know what's gonna happen, dude?

My trainer tells the crew. He's a kid, bro, and he's got an iron gut at this age right now. He's gonna go to him and be like, what the hell? You've been holding this back this whole time. You gotta addicted to it, man. Yeah, I see chicken sandwiches. You may as well take them on a tour of Snortin' Line.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not that far. Not that far. Yeah, I do. Oh, man. Dude, I am knackered right now. Dude, that workout destroyed me. I'm really enjoying these training sessions with you guys.

I tell you, but that one killed me. You were trying your best to get your legs sorted. It's hurting. I'm sitting here sweating and shaking at the same time. I feel like something's wrong with me. You said you only did 12 sets, but it sure looked like a lot more than me. No, I did, I did just, I don't know how people do,

when people say they do 20 legit sets for legs in one workout, are they really? What is it like 10 sets of leg extensions? I was gonna say eight of those, we gotta be leg extensions and leg curls on the machine. Yeah. Because I could do it that way. Yeah.

Because you could easily do that after what you just did. Yeah, I don't think they're doing like a bunch of compound lifts because there's no way. It's just insane. Speaking of which, of working out, remember how I brought up that study on hip thrust? Oh, yeah. I meant to ask you about that.

I saw in our forum somebody was trying to poop who it. Yes, so there's some controversy around, I guess the group that did that study. Apparently that group is being criticized because a lot of the data that comes out from them on their studies is improbable. In the sense that, and I tried to read the breakdown, it's a lot of study, jargon or whatever,

but apparently a lot of the other metrics in there are so improbable that they're like, we don't think that they're reporting accurately or that they're fudging their numbers. This doesn't seem like a study. And I guess it's happened a few times. So there's a few people that are debating the squat versus hip thrust study. And for the people who don't know, this was a previous episode, squats built in this study twice as much muscle in the butt as hip thrusts

and six times more muscle in the quads than the hip thrusts. Which that part was expected, but the glute one, there's a bit of a debate. But I do find it funny how it's such a debate. Well, I don't understand why it actually isn't that obvious. I mean, we alluded to it in the last time we discussed it. Like the range of motion that you're getting in a squad versus the range of motion on a hip thrust. And you really could load, I mean, you can load a hip thrust.

A lot, a lot, right? And probably a lot. Most people can. Yeah, but you could also load a leg press a lot. Yeah. But it does not demand. It's not demanding. Right.

You know, you feel that going through the exercise. Like even though you load it like crazy, it's just really nice. The hip thrust is superior in that, that fully contracted position. But aside from that, the range of motion is tiny. Whereas with a squat from bottom, all the way almost the top. Once I'm sure a top, you could relax your glutes,

but from the bottom all the way up, that's a lot of range of motion to move the weight. And you're just gonna, and again, I'll stand by that in my experience, for most, unless you have a poor connection you're just gonna, and again, I'll stand by that in my experience, for most, unless you have a poor connection to your glutes, in which case that's a hip thrust are probably better, squats. Well, you know, I find interesting about studies like this too,

is that squats have been around for a really long time in popular, hip thrusts of not. So imagine if you get a group of like 40 people and you get them both doing both these movements. Oh, I see the point you're going. Yeah, but you have somebody who, you know, for the last five years, they've squatted on and off or consistently maybe, and then you introduce hip thrusts in there. And of course, you would see a huge change just like you would with any other.

Just a different stimulus. Absolutely. Just like you would see with somebody who's never done Bulgarian split squats. I remember the first time that I got into like split squats. I avoided those like the plague forever. My legs blew up from that. That's a good point. Do I think Bulgarian split squats are I avoided those like to plague forever. My legs blew up from that. That's a good point. Do I think Bulgarian split squats

are superior necessarily to a squat? Well, no, maybe if I had done Bulgarian split squats and never done a barbell back squat, I would have seen the reverse. To stabilize the joint, you can make an argument that's superior, but yeah. Yeah, no, that's a great point because if you do a study and you're having the people

do an exercise that they've been doing for a while, and you compare it to an exercise that they've not done very often. Or ever. Or ever. That new stimulus is going to produce probably some, maybe unpredictable or gains that you wouldn't normally see if the exercise was already done consistently. You get those newbie gains, kind of, right?

First, especially on a great movement. It is a great movement, right? So if you've neglect, I mean, you guys have to remember this in your training career. Every time you introduce a great movement that you had never really done, like the gains probably came on,

like nothing else before. Oh yeah, that's one of those things you get hyped on as a trainer and then all your clients are doing this, like crazy, and that's all you're doing. And then you run across something else. That has to be the biggest, most common mistake that trainers make is that they train their clients like they train themselves.

Oh, this works really good for me. Oh, we all do it. Yeah, you're all gonna do the same thing. We're all doing singles on Squats Today. Everybody's going to feel easy. You guys are gonna love this. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, now speaking of training,

I got another interesting study that just came out and this one supports a couple other studies. So in the past, when they've done studies on anabolic steroids or testosterone use, right? So exogenous testosterone use, meaning men injecting testosterone into their into the bodies, what they found is that men who'll take testosterone and then go off, obviously their natural testosterone is suppressed. But then after a certain period of time, what they would say is it'll go back up to normal.

Well, there's been a couple studies now that show that even short-term antibiotics steroid use, or in especially long-term antibiotics steroid use, causes long-lasting and maybe permanent changes to the testosterone-producing cells in the testicles. So men in their 20s who use testosterone more are quite likely to have much lower testosterone, their 40s and 50s, because of the steroid use in their 20s. Well, that's pretty logical. Now, was this, did you go down this rabbit hole

because of the response to the John Romano recommendation for a young guy? No, no, but somebody sent it to me because of that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you started reading because, because I know that. I feel like if that's a path you're gonna go down, then you need to be okay with the fact that you probably

are gonna need to end up on TRT when you get older. Well, especially those levels that he suggested. I mean, I thought that was the, maybe the most, yeah, something really high to me. Interesting, yeah. I mean, I made the mistake of being that high. I've been according to him, it wouldn't be that much of a mistake.

It would have been the route that he would recommend. I just, I find that fascinating. Yeah, I see his angle. His angle essentially is, if you're young and you wanna see real gains, you probably need to take a lot versus when you're older and you wanna see gains. So I can get that. No matter what, taking it synthetically like that is going to... It's lot versus when you're older and you want to see gains. So actually no matter what,

taking it synthetically like that is going to replace what you're making. Yeah, it's gonna matter. You take a little dose or a massive dose. It's going to suppress your natural hormones. And so somebody who's young in their 20s, that can take naturally high. Yeah, it can be 900, 1000, right?

As far as free tests. And then no sin that that shuts down because they're taking 250 milligrams 250 milligrams doesn't take them up very high or doesn't make them feel that much different than what their thousand naturally did so from that I get that that that point it is interesting to me and again this is

something I'll stress if you're thinking about using exogenous testosterone or anabolic steroids you need probably need to make peace with the fact that you might need you're probably going gonna need to be on TRT as you get older and these studies are kind of confirming that. And that brings me to another point. You know, female hormones aren't nearly regulated

like male hormones, and I'm talking about birth control, right? It's all those are all derived off of the female hormones that tell the woman that she's pregnant or whatever. And women go on birth control for years. You know, when they're 16 and they won't go off until they're 30 maybe when they're about to have, you know, get pregnant or whatever, that's got to have some long-term effects as to.

Oh yeah, 100%. You know, it's gonna affect your own hormone production later and I think we've been promoting it as, it's no, no, no, it's not a big deal. But I'm sure it's gonna have issues, or cause issues. No, I'll just throw you out of balance. And then at that point, you're trying to look at what other options you can do to raise other levels

of different hormones in your body just to bring it back to some semblance of balance. Yeah, I mean, you start getting your body to stop its own production of hormones for a while. You're probably gonna pay the price for that later on, I think, is that the point. You got to consider that for sure. Yeah, I wanted to do a giveaway for the YouTube channel for the Ned because you got me to take the...

Oh, yeah. What do you think about the mellow? I was blown away, actually. And dude, it sounded like such a sleeper product, you know, like initially when they're pitching it to us, it was like, oh, interesting. It's magnesium GABA-thinning, nothing like magical. Here's what it is though. So that's what I thought.

When I saw the ingredients, that wasn't that excited initially, because I'm like, okay, magnesium, I've taken magnesium before. GABA, that's been around for a while, thinning, I've been touting them for a while, but it's amino acid. But here's the big difference.

There's one form of magnesium in mellow called magnesium 3-on-8. So I think it's called 3-on-8, THR, EON, AT, or something like that. I'm getting there close. This is a form of magnesium that was actually invented by MIT. And they created this form of magnesium because it's the only form of magnesium to cross the blood-brain barrier. So here's the issue with supplementing with magnesium, absorption.

So like you guys know that supplement that people take, they'll mix it in the water and it fizzes. I think it's one of them's called calm or whatever. You're very poorly absorbed. It's actually more of a laxative than anything. You take it and you'll help you as a laxative, but you're not gonna absorb much magnesium.

Well, with mellow, the forms of magnesium they use in there are the ones that you really absorb. So I, not knowing this, saw it, and I'm like, whatever, and didn't use it at all. We got on the phone with them, they explained it. I looked it up, saw the MIT right up on it. Like, let me give this a shot. And it relaxed me and I slept so calmly and so good.

And so you had the same experience? So the way I tested it, which I thought like on a normal night, would be less impactful, right? Or harder for me to gauge. So once or twice a week, I get up as early as five o'clock, which is early for me, because I normally don't get up at five o'clock in the morning. And that's hard because I don't normally go to bed

before 10, 30, 11. So getting up that early is rough, and I'm not a morning guy as it is. So I was like, okay, I got to go to bed by 9.930, which is like so hard for me to settle down and then go to sleep. So that all this would be perfect. Let me try this out. You were just talking about it, like literally a day or two before, and then I had to get up early. I took that, like I got it, I took it in a little, you know, little crystal-guyser bottle, half of it for one. Yeah, it tastes good. It's got flavor too. Took it in a little crystal guise or bottle, half of it full of wine. Yeah, it tastes good.

It's got flavor, too. Yeah, the one I tried. I know they have a naked one, which is flavorless, and then they have, I think it's like a blueberry type of flavor or whatever, or blue ravened lavender or things was called. And I shook it up in about half of that and then drank it just as I was climbing in bed

and less than 30 minutes later, I was out. And I was out hard because I woke up at one, thinking it was time for me to get up. And I felt refreshed. So refreshed. You're done. I'm done sleeping. Yes, dude, I really was.

Dude, this is no bullshit. It was really, I was like, whoa. No, no, this is no bullshit. If you look up the studies on magnesium 3.0, which is, I think that all of them working together, right? But that particular ingredient is fascinating. Redu fascinating reduces depression studies show it reduces depression age related Cognitive decline. It's actually shown efficacy in that so they're now looking at giving it to people with Alzheimer's dementia Because you can cross that blood brain barrier. Yes, and here's the thing with magnesium. The more stressed you are lack of sleep stress work workouts

Depletes the shit of magnesium out of your body. So and again, this is one of those supplements. I was like whatever Will they say 80% of people are deficient. Yes. It's like vitamin D It's like one of those things that we're all just efficient. I tell you the last two companies that we've picked up both Elemente and then this one are two things I would not, I mean, we've been worried when Ned before, and I mean, I'd stand behind their sleep product and their hemp oil for sure. And that's why we originally signed with them.

But like you, I was, I wasn't excited about the product when they first pitched. I know what they were. Yeah, I was kinda like, yeah, yeah, it's not like, it's not, I don't think it'll be a game changer or whatever, so I didn't think nothing of it. Same thing with the sodium, dude, those two things, every time I use it, I continue to get blown away

by how I feel from it. I can't wait for you to try it, Justin. Yeah. Cause I know you're like, you're a mystery impossible to impress with something. I know, I'm such a dick. Yeah. Nothing works.

I just, I don't know, like, I don't like, I don't like throwing interventions in there, like it. But like, there are sleep products, like before that, you know, with the mellaha throwing interventions in there. But their sleep product, before that, with the mellow I haven't tried yet, but the sleep product, I've actually brought it down, my dosage, I've brought it down, I've been trying to not use it enough because it works so good. And so I've got it down to barely even take a couple drops

of it and I get the same effect now. Wow, so that's pretty cool. You know, it's one of them made a cheese flavor, that's why. I once said, yeah. Let's say make a cheese flavor, just like he should be all over the floor. Just like easy cheese. Yeah.

Which, we've infused cheese with magnesium three and eight. Oh my God, I'll be so excited. Oh, I feel so good. Just as all of a sudden, so relaxed. Yeah. It's funny, I got interviewed yesterday on a podcast and the guy asked me how we were able me how we were able to get a book deal with a big publisher.

I watched your interview. Yeah, so we got the, I have a book that's coming out next month and so that was this question. He's like, how did you work, how did you get with a publisher? And I had to be honest. Yeah, I had no, I have no like fancy answer for this. No, no, no, here's the deal. And this is a weird, this is just an inconvenient truth of life. The more successful you become, the easier it is to become successful.

And here's, I'll give you an example, okay. Here we are, you know, we've got this podcast. It's really big now or the top fitness podcast. I never have to buy a supplement, ever. We get supplements sent to us. So many, I could throw half of them away and I still have more than I could take in two or three years, why?

Because we're big and popular now. We got supplements, probably. How did I get to work with a publisher? They contacted us, that's it. They're the ones that came to us and said, and this is just it, this is it with success. The more successful you become, the easier it is to get breaks and to get people to trust you. This is how credit works, right? You want to buy something and you want banks to trust you.

You got to show a history of doing a really, really good job. Same thing with friends and family. You want people to help you, give you stuff. People are more likely to help you when you're proven to already be successful. Well, I definitely think that's a big piece of it. Also, it's the relationships you've established along the years that have led these opportunities to be presented as well. So like all the different types of movers and shakers that become your new circle.

It's like, you know, they hear about you. Like, it's a lot more opportunities happen because of that. Well, here's why it's like one of those like, truth that's kind of like crappy. Like, you know, talk about like big celebrities, right? You're the rock. You get, you know, you're worth, I don't know, $100 million, it's got tons of money.

Yeah. You probably didn't have to pay for dinner. Probably vacations are free. It tries to and they're like, yeah. Yeah, companies are like, hey, come fly on our private jet for free and eat at our restaurant or come, you know, here's a car because whatever. And you got to afford to buy all this stuff.

Oh, it's fine, that it's's also, too, as you get bankrupt, you can make bigger moves, too, that make bigger amounts of money. That's true. So, if you talk about investing and being able to get into things, there's certain things when you're at a certain level. You just can't get an entry level, too.

So, there's that advantage, too. So, you get all kinds of shit for free, then the money that you're starting to stack up, you open up new doors. This is one of the reasons why, and people need to understand this is very important. Why, when you have a to stack up, you open up new doors. This is one of the reasons why, and people need to understand this, is very important. Why, when you have a relatively free society,

the wealthy, they grow their wealth faster than the people in the middle or even at the bottom. Now, in free society, statistically, this is a fact, you could look up all the statistics you want. Everybody's wealth increases, everybody's quality of life from a material standpoint improves. But why does the wealthy grow so much faster? Well, here's a simple example, right?

If you take $10,000 and you invest it in the market, and somebody else takes $100,000 and invest it exactly the same way, identical, same investment, and they both grow at 10%, percentage wise, same growth, but the $10,000 guy, how much do he make with 10% and how much do the $100,000 guy make with 10%? It's just a larger dollar amount. And so you just, you have more money allows for more. Well, there's more to that formula too, though. So I mean, the millionaire next door talks about this and that's, and I think

the stat was like 80, it was high 80% of, of millionaires and billionaires also have trained themselves to live below their means. So they also have created good behaviors that continue to feed into them and for sure more successful and making more money for sure where a lot of people get caught in the rat race. I mean, I think the status is 88, I think it's 88%. I was listening to another, like a business podcast, talk about this, that actually live paycheck to paycheck. So a majority of people are living paycheck to paycheck. They're not living below their means, which is only making it that much harder for them

to get ahead. So you add in the fact of, you know, all the doors that opens up for being a millionaire or a billionaire, but then they also up for being a millionaire or a billionaire, but then they also, to become a millionaire or a billionaire, there's a lot of behaviors that you had to learn on the way to there that play into your faith. No, it's true, and I hate to say this, but I have friends and family that struggle,

and I'll say things to them like, okay, I know you go to Starbucks twice a day, so you're spending $10 a day at Starbucks. That's $300 a month. You could buy coffee at the grocery store. It'll cost you 10 bucks, and so you're gonna save 200, and at least 250 bucks a month or more. But then their mentality is like,

oh, it's only 250 bucks, what's the big deal? And so they don't understand that this is the way that you start to kind of build yourself a little bit. And then the other thing is this, if you try to build wealth through your job and your income, that's a very difficult way to do it. The way people really build wealth is they have a job, they make money, but then they figure out ways

to get that money to make money for them. Then you start to build wealth, because now it doesn't take any of your time to make that grow and you continue to do that. It's a slow process, but once it builds up, it really starts to stack up very quickly. So speaking of wealth, I want to hear you guys theory on this. And this is the art world. This is something I just saw recently.

There was this digital art from this artist. I think it's Beeple is his name, but there was a bunch of like people using like crypto money to basically purchase it for $69 million dollars for this. It's just like, I don't really know how to describe it other than it's just a bunch of little images that are all like sort of put together in this digital looking. It's nothing spectacular. I thought it was a collage, just a bunch of basic collage. He has a collage of a bunch of, and he's selling it for $69 million.

$69 million, and he got $69 million. That's what he got, he did get it. And before that, I guess the CEO for Tron, one of those other ones, you know, the digital currency, he was at like $60 million and he got like last second got out bid by somebody coming in. But so what motivates somebody to purchase this for that outrageous amount of money? I think this is just the beginning of what we've talked about before, which is

we are heading in a time and there's already companies and things that are popping up like this where you can buy digital clothes, bro. There are people that are making a bunch of money selling digital clothes to people. To use on like social media? Yeah. So instead of going a thousand dollar Gucci jacket. Just want to wear it to be on social media.

Absolutely. And you're in this digital world. And you spend a majority of your time, which are a lot of people are beginning to do, plugged into their phones and on the virtual platform and not really walk in the street, I don't give a shit what I'm really wearing in real life. I spend most of my time on these platforms.

So the digital art, digital clothes, digital products are just gonna continue to go, dude. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it it was just like, I don't know, like how are they gonna use I'm gonna display it, like what, what was the motivation, are they paying somebody off because they owe money, you know, is this some kind of racket? Well, you did have, you had another interesting theory

that I think it's also a way you could potentially wash money, which I think we had a longer money. That's been a way of laundering money forever is like with art anyways, and so digital art now with cryptocurrency. So explain that. So let's say you got a bunch of money and you, Well it's crypto, it's bought with crypto.

So you can't, first of all, you can't track it back to who the person is, right? So somebody, so they took money, okay, okay, let's walk through the steps. So they got money, they got $69 million worth of cash from some kind of illicit behavior, selling drugs or whatever. And they're like, okay, I wanna be able, I can't put this in the bank, I can't do anything with it some kind of illicit behavior, selling drugs or whatever. And they're like, okay, I wanna be able, I can't put this in the bank,

I can't do anything with it because I haven't paid taxes on it, it's not clean. So when they take that $69 million, they buy crypto. Now they can use the crypto to buy the digital currency, or excuse me, the digital art, and then what? Now they have something valued? Yeah, something that's valued that much, that they could probably sell for 10% less pretty quick

So you flip it real quick. Yeah, yeah, or hold on to it as an asset until they want to sell it one day Wow, and it's not traceable and probably taxable. I have a question. Yes. How do you take cash and buy crypto? That's right because you'd have to put it in a bank or something to buy the Crypto would question you mean like through coin base. Yeah, how do you take the have to put it in a bank or something to buy the crypto. What is the question, Dave? You mean like through coinbase. Yeah, but how do you take the cash and put it on coinbase? Yeah. Don't you have to take it from your bank? You do.

But once it gets into coinbase and then gets in by... We have to get it there first. That's their trick right there. Right, right, right. Because you just can't take cash and say, hey, I'm going to convert this into crypto. I don't believe you can. Go down to your local crypto dealer, guys. Because if that's the way you could do that, we'd all buy all these people.

Yeah, always cash. I'm definitely not the person to ask you about this stuff. I'm not like a cryptic guy whatsoever. Yeah. But Adam's like the way I do it's different. No, I saw he just says that. That's not how I watch money. You know what I'm saying?

I'm way more old school. You know, I have laundry mats. You know what I'm saying? Lots of quarters. Yeah. A bunch of strip clubs. Yeah, yeah. So, no, but I was, my point was that, to that is not, that I know anything about that

subject whatsoever was that Justin's theory of that it could be a way to wash money is an interesting theory and that could be a, if my theory, I don't know how they do it. Because it's, it's, it smells fishy. Yeah, my theory is that we're moving into this digital world and that's what's going on. Is that, that, that, that, that things, I mean, if somebody is willing to pay, but it's so easy to copy because it's digital. How does it make it, how does it even hold its value?

I know. You know what I'm saying? It's mind blowing. Like digital is, it's a perfect copy. It's not like art were in order to copy like an actual physical piece of art. Right. It's really, really all like difficult.

I just screen captured it. Now I have it. Yeah, it's cool. You spend $69 million dollars for this and I got it for free. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I know that our forum will come to the rescue on this and definitely school, as there's, I know that.

Please, somebody explain. We have several crypto nerds in our forum. We have some drug dealers in the forum. This is the black market works. Yeah, I should use our idiots's how the black market works. Yeah, I should use our idiots. How the lumbering works. Yeah, we're moving in this time, dude.

It's going to get weirder for sure. Yeah, it's interesting. All right, speaking of weird, did you guys know that there's a surgery, an approved surgery, to make people taller? Have you heard of this? What? Okay, this is a real cosmetic surgery. You hear that, Doug?

It's approved. Yeah, I'm already signed up. Oh, that's cool. Doug, you finally, leach are the reels. Oh, that might be five four. Yay! That's awesome.

Hey, Doug, it's gonna be done. It's gonna be done, you do. It's gonna be done. So, no, this is an actual approved surgery. And to me, it's, it sounds so crazy, but this is an actual approved surgery. And to me, it's sound so crazy, but this is what they do. They'll take somebody who wants to be taller. They'll, this is for real.

They'll saw through their tibia and fibia. They'll saw through it. They'll take them apart and add metal like bars or whatever. So they literally take the bones, separate them by two or three inches or an inch, add the metal part, then the bone grows together, then they'll do it again, then the bone goes to get the person's arm.

It's not awful. Now the only side effect of it is you've got a really long lower leg, but I mean it works, people add a few inches to their height from doing the surgery. Oh and if you swear those stupid shoes. And if you have short legs, it won't look that crazy because you can, I mean there's some people

that have much longer legs than other people, So if Michael Phelps will look normal if they do this to him. You've ever seen this this? Yeah, yeah, he's all torsions. Yeah. How crazy is that? Oh, you imagine getting surgery, you're late sod and half. Do you have to prove to this? This is a real surgery. Here in the States. It's in the States. Wow. Yes. We have no more ethics. Where did you find, I haven't even heard of anyone doing this yet. Well, I don't know anybody who's done it either, but I read the article on it, which is kind of weird. Yeah, that's really weird. Yeah, they have a lot of weird.

It's just purely cosmetic, right? There's no, like, yeah, justification. Well, I mean, okay, look, let's be honest. Cosmetic surgery in general is weird. Yeah. A lot of it is very, very strange. I've seen people, there's this guy that used to work. What do we do a lot to attract the opposite sex?

Bro, I have seen... This is the true. You guys are probably seeing the same guy. He worked out at the 24 there in South San Jose, and he'd come in, and I know he's in his 60s or 70s. Jet black hair, because he dies it? I know you talk about that. You know exactly what I'm talking about. And why he took his tank tops and his face is like, like, he's going like 5G's on his

face. And he's like, and he kind of walks shite. He's like, he's going like five Gs on his face. And he's like, and he kind of walks like this. It's really windy outside. So I mean, there was definitely a surgeon when he ever, I'm sure he's had multiple,

multiple surgeries. The surgeon's probably, you know, who says to him, yeah, I'll do that. No problem. So you talk about ethics. Yeah. Michael Jackson,

there was no surgeon that looked at him, was like, not dude, I'm not gonna do the else to your face. I don't wanna mess this up. Yeah, so it's the whole thing, it's kinda weird. That's weird. I saw something that was weird.

I wanted to ask you guys if this is true. And it's, so I read somewhere, okay, and again, fact check me out, I don't know if this is true, this is totally not something that I dug very deep, but I figured you guys are into, especially Justin, all the ancient shit. That there was some ancient cultures that used wearing masks over the society's face

to like dehumanize them. Yes. And then make slaves of them. Is this true? I've read that. I've read that too. Oh really? Oh shit.

Well, so people are okay. It's an effective way to dehumanize these interactions between people. The face is that, because they lose their identity, because everybody looks kind of the same. It's like taking someone's name, right? Like you don't have a name.

We're gonna call you 115. Do we know, do we know the culture or when and where, anything like that? Like I can't, it was some ancient culture that I saw. I'm sure it was, I think it was used, I'm trying to remember, I read about this a long time ago. I think it was used in multiple places as a way to dehumanize and break down the spirit of the captives that they were doing it on and they'd make them wear masks. Human faces are such a big part of our brain is dedicated to reading expressions and

faces that it's, there's a big, like I said, it's a big part of your brain. And any, by the way, just like your muscles, if I don't use my bicep anymore, it'll atrophy. If I don't use the parts of my brain that read expressions and faces, I start to lose the ability to read expressions and faces. By the way, you can look this up, this is real. This is why people who are in a particular

society or culture, let's say you're in a very homogenous society, you live in a country where everybody looks the same, right? There's not a lot of, you know, not a lot of different races, a lot of different people. Everybody looks the same. That's when those people will see people from other cultures or races, they will say things like

they all look the same. Oh, I can't, it's hard for me to tell the difference between, you know, this white person, that white person, they all look the same or whatever. This is because their brain has yet to develop the nuances. The skill of reading different faces because they see so many people that look the same.

Yeah. So when you're, and this is just a side effect, if people wear masks all the time, then there's definitely a side effect. There's definitely effects from it. So there's so much information your brain is reading off of people with their expressions. Like subconsciously that we don't even give credit.

It's like to me, and if you go back in the podcast, while back like before any of this even went down, anybody's wearing a mask or anything, that was always my stance was like, anybody wears a mask, I don't trust you. And that's just a psychological thing where think about like anybody going into a bank and robbing a bank or, you know,

like fur ears or, you know, these people that are like, for like secretly, they wanna be, you know, they can speak you with, they wanna be anonymous. That's the thing, like I look, what are you hiding is is always how my brain works Yeah, so now it's like like everybody is is is all in on this thing and it just drives me crazy So do you guys think there's gonna be unintended consequences that happen of course of course

What are inside? There's not there's not gonna be no consequences of course the turmoil we for this we've completely modified This is of course, the turmoil. We've completely modified a particular behavior within our culture, a particular way that we live. So are there side effects? Of course, trying to predict what those side effects are, we can speculate, but is there going to be, oh, look, you take anything that we do all the time

or the way we live all the time, and you radically change it, there's going to be a side effect. And my estimation, this is my guess. My guess is we're going to see much bigger side effects in children than we will in adults. Because children's brains are so plastic. And what I mean by that is a child's brain is constantly molding and shaping. And at a certain point, a certain age, you lose plasticity of your brain. You still can, you still maintain a certain amount, but there's a lot that you lose.

For example, if you take a seven-year-old or an eight-year-old and you teach them five languages, they will speak five languages without an accent. All of them perfect with the right dialect, the right sound, the right whatever. You take a 30-year-old and you teach them five languages and they can study the languages as much as they want, whatever, and they can learn them, but they'll always have an accent with their carrying in their hardwired patterns. Yes, and so with children, if they're going to school, they're going outside, they're, you know, whatever, and they're not seeing lots and lots of different faces,

and they're just seeing mom and dad's face, brothers face, and nobody else's faces all the time, and they're not, the brain is gonna start to hardwire and they're gonna lose some of this, and this is hardwire and they're gonna lose some of this, and this is my guess, they're gonna lose some of this ability. And this is, it's like social intelligence. You know, we all know that person who can't read a room or in extreme cases autism is like this, right?

Somebody who has, you know, really, really severe form of autism, they can't tell if you're being sarcastic, if you're being, somebody's agitated, right? In front of you just based off of their body language. Body language. We've cut out body language. Yeah, so they can't read all the intricacies of your face.

So I feel like children, we're gonna see some stuff. So yeah, then what happens? What's the domino effect of that? So my thought when you say that is that we're probably gonna become even more divided and stick in... Maybe. Yeah, where you're comfortable, where you recognize, where you know this is mom, this is brother, say that is that we're probably gonna become even more divided and stick in a place. Yeah, where you're comfortable, where you recognize, where you know, this is mom, this is brother,

this is sister, this is my good friend, we know each other really well. Outside of that, everybody else is unfamiliar, right? Unfamiliar and only most of the time we connect virtually and not socially in person. I see it as like the unintended consequence of this is, you know, we may be perceiving everybody that masculine is like, oh, you're sickly. Oh, you have like, you have a, like, it's this like negative connotation of like, you're

hiding, like, your health is compromised. Like, and we're seeing that everywhere. Everybody's compromised, you know, and it's like you're portraying that negativity on everybody. Yeah, well, see my baby's son, who's four months old, and if we're out and we're wearing masks, and I go to play with my son, and I'll make sure nobody's around me or whatever.

Guys, I notice this with masks. I pull it down, and I look at him and make sure he can read my face. Cause I know, his brain is learning all that stuff. You imagine raising a baby, always seeing people in masks, they're gonna lose an element of social intelligence and if you keep it done long enough, permanently, in my opinion.

Yeah, I know, I agree. You know, they're all the linguistics, right? That's a very important part of us, our social skills. Yeah, so. Yeah, now we're supposed to mention another one of our sponsors, public goods, and I get a lot of questions on public goods

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But typically if you go to this grocery store and you're buying a product that's environmentally conscious, no Xenoestrogens, you're gonna pay a premium for it. But you go to a company like Public Goods and you're actually paying less than you are for the cheap shit that you know, estrogens, you're gonna pay a premium for it. Yeah, but you go to a company like Public Goods, and you're actually paying less than you are for the cheap shit that you get, yeah, safe way. Exactly. So that's how the company works, and then, of course,

we still, we stock our whole house now, that. I tell you what, I mean, I remember we used to work with Thrive before, and I never really used Thrive that much. I used to shit out of Public Goods. I mean, it's our hand soap, our bars of soap, our shampoo, our body wash, laundry detergent, laundry detergent, toothpaste. I mean, I buy all of their stuff.

Yeah, and I know that you, and I save a ton of money, dude. And then with, through us, you go on there and I think they give you like a certain credit, so you can literally buy, you get that for free. Yeah, I don't, do you know what the offer is that they're running right now? Because I know.

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And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from that guy K-C. How much creatine should I consume and when? I'm a 37 year old male with 16% body fat. Oh, creatine. The greatest supplement, literally, the greatest supplement. One of the ones that actually works.

That exists. It works, it's improves your health. It's good for cognitive function. It helps you build muscle, but a body fat actually might even raise testosterone anti-inflammatory. Yes, I sold creatine, but that's because it's, it's very well studied, and it's very, very good supplement.

For most people to take dosages, okay, here's what they typically recommend about five grams a day. I think that's a very general kind of overkill. I would say if you eat a decent amount of red meat, which already has Crateean in it, and your average build, I would say you're probably okay with about three grams a day.

Now if you have a lot of muscle mass, you probably wanna take a little more than that. If you don't eat a lot of red meat, especially if you're vegan, if you're vegan, creatine makes a huge difference. In fact, the cognitive boost studies are pretty consistent with vegans.

If they take creatine, they get a pretty measurable cognitive boost from taking it. So anywhere between three to five grams a day is probably the best of it. Now, don't most, I think almost everyone I've ever seen, whether it be pill or powder, the serving size is normally five grams. Yes. And you don't see any problem with somebody taking too over if they even if they eat because I'm just saying it from a savings. Because by the way, the amount of steak you have to eat just to get three grams of creatine is a lot It's like a pound. It's a lot. It's a pretty big. It's more than that to get three grams

Yeah, yeah, how much how much creatine dug in a pound of steak if you could look that up Cuz I think it's a route you're right. I think it's like two grams Yeah, so I would only recommend if it's someone's like you eat red meat every day at least once or twice Then maybe you can go lower otherwise. I normally just tell people five grams. Are they still promoting a loading phase? I remember doing that when I was younger, and I remember even excessive amount of getting. Yeah, so you did sell tecta ones at the first.

Oh wow, you know, like five days of loading. You know, it's almost like double triple the dose. Yeah, so I wanna address that, but real quick, one pound of raw beef or salmon, one to two grams of crating. Yeah, you're right Adam, so it's not. That's a lot too, by the dose. Yeah, so I want to address that, but real quick, one pound of raw beef or salmon, one to two grams of crating. Yeah, you're right. That's a lot, too, by the way. I'm a pound.

Yeah, pound. So most people, a big serving of meat is like eight ounces. So if you're, you're, you're going to be eating at least two servings of probably steak or salmon. I eat at least a pound a day. So I'm somebody that eats a lot, but most people don't. Now back to what you're saying, Justin, the loading phase, a lot of companies will promote what's called a loading phase,

where for the first seven days of using creatine, you take 15 to 20 grams a day, and then you back down to five grams. Now the reason why they promote this is studies show, so here's what happens to creatine, right? You take creatine and you start to saturate the body with this creatine. And there's a certain period of time that it takes to saturate the muscles with this creatine. And there's a certain period of time

that it takes to saturate the muscles. After that, you're taking creatine just to maintain that saturation level. Loading saturates the body a little bit faster. So will you get that saturation faster from loading? Yes, is it that big of a difference? Enough to waste that much creatine? Not in my opinion.

It would make me sick. Yeah, yeah, it's just not worth it from that perspective. Now, to that point though, you would say that it's pretty important to be consistent though with it when you take it at the beginning. Daily, especially the beginning, right? Yes, five grams, I always say five grams a day. It's a good, you know, anywhere between three

to five grams every single day is the way to do it. Now, what about time to take it? Now, in the past, I would have said it doesn't make that big of a difference. I say post work out. Yeah, studies now are showing that post work out. You utilize a lot more of it by taking it right after you were kind of common sense. Yeah.

I mean, when you're depleted like that, your muscles, your cells, everything's like a spark. Yeah, they're all like a sponge ready to suck up any sort of nutrients or supplement you take. Here's a little muscle boosting hack for those of you that are watching or listening right now that really want to feel and see an effect from natural means, try this. Post workout, take your 5 grams of creatine, and also consume a good 4 to 600 milligrams of cholesterol.

So A-Gyokes, or you can do organ meats or whatever. Cholesterol's got a muscle building effect. It's got a protective effect. The creteine gets absorbed by the body. And your body does utilize cholesterol as you're recovering or whatever. So, do those two things. Try that for like a few weeks and watch it happen. Didn't you bring up a study a long time ago of actually combining that with red light too? Red light, oh okay, so here's the monster right here. Yeah, so red light therapy increases the ATP production of the mitochondria in your cells. This is why it works, right?

So it makes sense to combine it with creatine because you're trying to boost ATP. Red light plus creatine, you should have this kind of synergistic effect. And I've experimented with it and I love it. Next question is from B-Bounce, is high cholesterol still the demon we once thought it was, such as having high LDL, but also having high HDL? No, it was overstated for a long time. So here's a deal with cholesterol. Obviously, if you get super high, you can have some problems.

But if it's kind of high and all your other markers of health look good, it's probably not a big deal. It's one metric that you measure. Now, here's what studies show with slightly high cholesterol. You build more muscle and you're stronger. And it seems to have a protective effect in older individuals. In fact, people who live the longest tend to have relatively high cholesterol. So it's a very interesting thing that it's funny that we targeted it as a demon for so long, probably because we had some pretty effective pharmaceuticals at lowering cholesterol. So whenever we have a drug that does a good job of changing a number, we put a lot of focus on that number and cholesterol with statins. That was kind of...

We'll explain the difference of the fluffy particles versus either I always get this backwards or messed up whenever I try and explain this. What is the difference of that? Because there's like bad HDL and there's good HDL, right? Yeah, so you have your good cholesterol and your bad cholesterol, right? The good cholesterol is got a protective effect, the bad cholesterol's got more of a damaging effect,

but it's an over-generalization. If you look deeper, the really dense particles of cholesterol, the ones that tend to cause damage, you're real fluffy ones, tend to not. And here's the thing with cholesterol too. It's oftentimes we see it real high, or we see, for example, when you're looking at arteries and you're seeing that cholesterol and stuff

patched up on the sides of the arteries, they blame the cholesterol, but really it's a side effect. There are doctors and scientists that believe that the cholesterol is being used as a way to protect or patch up and flame the area. I mean, genetic components. Huge, right? The majority of that, right? When it's problematic versus dietary cholesterol.

The cholesterol is so important for our health that our body makes it. And your liver and your body dictate, I mean, you can increase your cholesterol intake and that you're eating and your body will just make less of it and you can eat less and your body will make more and kind of keep you at this homeostate. So based off that theory, you could go to the doctor and the doctor could technically tell you have really high cholesterol and you actually be in a very healthy place is that possible? Depends out high.

And you know, if we're talking like your numbers are like 300, 400, you probably have some problems. Because they say anything over 200 is bad, right? But let's say you're at 220, and your ratio of HDL to LDL is really good. And your blood pressure is good, your triglycerides are good, everything else looks good, inflammatory markers look good, you're probably... And what if most all the HDL is the fluffy particles and not the really dense ones?

It's good like getting that test. I know that was my next question. Okay, say I come back, I go and I'm 220, right? So I'm on the higher end and the doctor says that to me. Do I have the ability to ask him, like, hey, are those more fluffy or those more dense? Yeah, can I get a more detailed look? Yeah, unlikely, you'd have to go to a special, I mean, they're not, it's not mainstream. And most likely, he's gonna try and put me on a statin' right away, right?

Yeah, it is because a statin' is so easy. If you take a statin', your cholesterol goes down. Done. It's a guarantee, right? It just works. By the way, there's a, there's a natural statin'. If you're somebody who's dealing with high-ish cholesterol and it's kind of borderline and you're a little concerned and your doctor doctor's little concern. You can try red yeast rice extract, which you could buy over the counter, and it's a natural

statin much milder than the pharmaceutical ones, and it will lower your cholesterol. Now, I thought actually dietary cholesterol has very little to do with your HDO and LDO level. Correct. Correct. In fact, they're changing their stance. They're now saying that cholesterol is no longer a nutrient of concern. Typically poor cholesterol numbers are coming from an inflammatory response,

diet is high in calories, high in sugar, you're not active, and then genetics just to hit the knee on the head. There are people who just have, you know, high, there's a condition hypercholestemia or something I'm not pronouncing it right, but it's something like that, where people make tremendous amounts of cholesterol, and then they're very prone to issues with their heart. In those cases, Stanton's can definitely be a life. So now, our most doctors up to speed on this to where, or we still have doctors that go,

oh, stay away from the butter and bake it. I don't know, I wouldn't, yeah. And eggs, you know, cut those out. Think about the pharmaceutical industry in general. How much power? Yeah, how much power and influence there, like so I just, I don't think new information like that is really being pushed as hard.

No, look, okay, look at it this way. Staten's had been around now for a little while, and they very effectively lower cholesterol. And when they first came out, there was a prediction that this would just revolutionize medicine and the heart attack and heart that this would just revolutionize medicine. And the heart attack and heart disease rate would go through the floor. Now, here's what happened. If you look at the statistics, the survival rates from heart attacks and heart disease increased dramatically.

Not from statins, it was from advances in the procedures like putting stints in your arteries and stuff like that. The heart disease rates are still high as hell. Stans have barely made a dent or no dent whatsoever. Now I know there's studies to show that statins might have some benefit. There's others that show there's no benefit. There's studies that show that statins reduce cognitive function, increase your risk of dementia. So I would say cholesterol,

it's one piece of a big picture. Don't just rely on that one piece because it doesn't tell you a whole lot by itself. Have they found like, have they attributed it more towards like calcium deposits and like hardening type minerals that have contributed more towards like heart? Yeah, that's part of it. It's part of it. I'm not superverse, but I, but from what I understand, it's just not the big deal that we thought

it was. I was always curious about this just because my grandpa died of what they diagnosed is like high cholesterol, but like to me, it was like, it was suspect because of that. Like I want to know more information about like, you know, what they're doing now to really like diagnose and assess a lot of these conditions. Well, when we first started the podcast, didn't the American Heart Association have to come out and recant their stance on all this?

On cholesterol. Yes, on cholesterol, dietary cholesterol. Yeah, that was just like five, six years ago. Right, when we started the podcast, I remember that was big news. They used to say, be careful how much cholesterol you consume. Now they're saying the cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern.

There's still, you got issues. They still have issues with saturated fat and stuff like that, which we can make arguments for as well. But cholesterol now, I think it's pretty mainstream accepted that it's not something that you need to be careful for that you consume. Now here's a deal, old school bodybuilders knew, and this is a legit thing, you try this out yourself.

They knew when they consumed a lot of cholesterol, and remember these are healthy fit people, these were old school bodybuilders, so they weren't on all times of gear and all that stuff. They knew that when they increased their dietary cholesterol intake, they would get a boost in strength and recovery. There's studies that support this.

They've done studies where they'll take groups of people, they do this with older people, think in their 50s, and they broke them up into groups and this group ate 200 milligrams of cholesterol a day and then it was 400 and 800 or something like that, which is a lot, right? And the more cholesterol they consumed, the stronger that they were and the more muscle that they built. I experiment with this all the time. All, you guys know me, you guys

have seen some of my breakfasts where I'm eating eight to 10, eight yolks just for the cholesterol. When I do that, I'm stronger. I'm stronger in the gym every single time. So this is something you can play with. But yeah, as a number, it's one small piece of a bigger picture by itself. It doesn't, unless it's really, really high, it doesn't really mean much. Next question is from Team Quinn Fit. When using a food scale to track ounces of meat, should you measure it raw or cooked? You know, I used to get this question all the time.

I spilled it. It's, I wanted to, I picked it, right? Because, because we get it so often, I don't get this question ever. Really? It's a great question. I wanted to, I picked it right, because we get it so often. I don't get this question ever, would you? It's crazy. Well, you know, so I definitely weighed and measured and tracked my food religiously for over three years,

like without ever missing a day. And I actually never got caught up in this. I never really cared if it was raw. Whatever I did, I just stayed consistent with it. So if you measured it cooked, then that's how you always do it. Always did that way. Or if I were to measure it. So there's like these camps, right? Of like which ways the better way? Oh, after it cooks, you lose some of the amount of calories and protein that are in it. So it's not as high. And so you should do it before and not after. After is actually

what you're consuming. So you should actually do it after. It's like, there's all these camps. I'm just like, we're talking about splitting hair, shit right here. It's literally, how much do you lose? Like you cook a pound of beef versus... Yeah, you don't lose that much. And again, it doesn't really matter if that's how you always track. If you're always tracking cooked food,

then you should stick with that. Because then you're measuring that with your results and with your fat body fat, then it doesn't matter. Yeah, people want to know this, because this is what and with your fat body fat, but it doesn't matter. Yeah, so people want to know this because this is the part that I don't like. We have a free macro calculator that people can go online and use. So what maps macro.com. Right, so.

But here's why I don't like tools like that is because everyone gets so hung up on the number that that thing kicks out for you. The thing doesn't know you. It doesn't know your behaviors. And even if you input it all of it, and ours is great, it's really accurate, but it's still generic, and your day-to-day changes,

so you've got to figure all that stuff out anyway, so just because my macro calculator tells you you need ex-calers and ex-protein, that's not like, you can't follow that to a tee, that's a good guideline for you to where to start, and then from there you have to kind of modify and figure out where is your kind of homeostasis. And so wherever you're measuring,

I would just take it as an item. It cooked because nasty raw food messing with it on a scale and stuff. No, it was easier after I was done cooking to throw it in there and then weigh it in measuring. So I think if you really want it in there and then weigh it and measure it. Yeah, well, so I think it's, if you really wanna get crazy and meticulous, whatever you're using, that'll give you the number.

So let's say you go on like fat secret or whatever. I think you can put in raw chicken. You can put raw or cooked on it. Right, so just use that. It'll tell you whatever you're measuring and then just be consistent. And I think the best part of what you're saying Adam is pay attention to your body.

It's like, you know, oh, why am I not getting leaner? I know I'm consuming only 1600 calories. That's a deficit. Who cares? You're not getting leaner. It means it's too much free. Drop it down. But being consistent is gonna allow you to do that.

Right. Next question is from most strength gains. Lots of people have older family members they care for. If you were to recommend a few movements that would help them build some strength, what would they be? I know Sal has worked with lots of older clients, so maybe this one's for him.

Oh, go ahead and sit this out, Justin. Yeah. Well, I mean, you guys have worked with a lot of older clients. Yeah. I think it's just the young ones. Yeah, no, I think as you top that you really liked it so much, if you'll just assume that- It's just because I, at one point, my studio,

I mean, we were next to a hospital and I trained a lot of doctors and then the doctors started referring me a lot of their patients and all their patients were in that older, older age category. And I enjoy it, but all right, here's one of the best exercises you could do with, first off, never overestimate somebody in an older age group, never overestimate the recovery ability.

The lightest, smallest activity that's outside of what they're used to will cause an effect in their body, will cause change. You overdo it and they'll get sore and injured very easily. So, and this I learned very quickly. It's like, oh, let's do some standing lunges and then they didn't show up for the next session because they couldn't move. Yeah, you gotta really simplify it. Yes, here's the best exercise, okay.

Sit down, stand up. It's a very basic, it's a squat, but you're sitting down, so you have something to aim for, you can stick your hips back, and it doesn't require as much control and stability. I'd have my older clients reach forward with their hands, stand in front of a chair or a bench, and if the bench was too low,

I'd put like it stack pads on it or whatever, and slowly progress them to go lower, and they would just sit down. The goal was not to plop down. It was to softly sit down, stop for a second, get themselves gathered and then stand back up. And that was one of the staple exercises I did. And it's so functional because they do that.

They do that throughout the day. Yeah, exactly. You have to start at that level and really assess where their strength level is first. That would probably be one of the first things to get them to sit in a chair, but also, I guess I just test this on everybody, actually, when I would get a new client, I would place them on the ground,

and on their back, and I would see, okay, I wanna just first see how you get up off of the ground. And that's a very straightforward, very simple, I'm not even intervening or queuing them, coaching nothing, I wanna see how they do it. And then I come in and I kind of show them like the way that I want them to do it also, like, you know, and then we turn that into an exercise

and it's just one of those things, it's a life function. Like if you're on the ground, you need to know, you need to have the strength to be able to get up and do that properly with good mechanics. You have no idea just how, so I worked with an amazing physical therapist that I learned a lot from. She actually rented space in my facility and she was, when her specialties was working with advanced-age population and she did a lot of that, Justin. And why did she do it? Well, first off, there's a lot of muscle. So just going, getting on the floor and standing up

is an exercise by itself. I mean, you could turn into a turkey as you get up if you want to get real evading. Yeah, you can, but you don't have to necessarily. No, but the reason why she did it is because she's like, this is a skill that they're going to need. And if they lose this skill, it makes them very vulnerable to a problem. There's statistics on that.

Yeah, there's statistics on somebody who can get up off the ground versus somebody who can't, like, how long they live. The risk of death goes up through the roof. Yeah, dramatically. And the amount of how much their longevity is like increased by like two decades, by being able to do that. I'm right with you Justin, that's exactly,

now what Sal said sometimes is like the regression, right? Oh yeah, like because there's some clients that can't get off the ground. No, totally. And you know that, you can tell by the way of walk and they move, they have a hard time sitting down in the chair in front of you to sign up for their training. Like, you know, like, okay,

I'm not gonna put this person on the ground because we could be here for an hour, trying to get them out of the ground. I have to lift them up for the floor. Yeah, that's a lot of fun. So 100% what South said is a great regression. And many clients I trained, bring the little plastic chair out to the,

the weight room floor and we would stand up, sit down. And even clients where I actually had to assist them, I'd have them hold on to my index fingers while they, I'd have them slow down, not just plop down, I want to just slow. I would do that too with the TR-AX so they could hold on to something that's just like slowly decent. But I would always work towards, can we get up off the ground? Then the progression to that is actually, can you get up off the ground with no hands?

So, that is actually... I know a lot of 30-? Oh yeah. So that is actually. I know a lot of 30-year-old people do that. Yes, it is. That's a skill that I always go back to myself to make sure that it doesn't get too difficult. If I ever find myself like challenged personally to do that, I know there's mobility work that I'm neglecting

and it always reminds me to get back to that. So I would love to take a client at an advanced age, start them on the ground, just like Justin, see how they get up without me coaching or telling. Because the other thing too, that tells you a lot about their discrepancies too, like on what side they naturally gravitate towards. Because they'll go to the side that's more dominant and then they'll avoid the side they're weaker and they can't support themselves on. So it tells you a little bit about their movement patterns already.

And then the goal would be, can we do this without using your hands and then or can we progress it to like a Turkish kid? Yeah. The three most valuable exercises that I did with older populations. And again, I'm speaking generally because on an individual basis, there's always big, you know, differences. But generally speaking, it was sit down and stand up on a bench or a chair. It was some kind of a row with a band or a cable. Just focusing on pulling the shoulders back and dropping them because that forward shoulder

gets really, really bad as people get older. And then the other one was just reaching up. It was no weight. It was no weight. It was, and we would do it sitting first. We'd sit, I'd stand behind them so that I could get them to engage their core and not have to art so much.

And I'd say, okay, stick your arm up as far as you can. And they would always stop like, you know, right here, or whatever. And then I'd have them hold on to a stick and I'd pull their arms up a little bit. And then I'd say, okay, now hold them up here and then let go of the stick and see if you could support yourself.

No way, but that would make such a huge impact. And again, here's the idea. The view is, look at the skills that they need to be independent, which include sitting down, standing up, getting up off the floor, maintaining good posture, and reaching up above their heads, like you grab things. Right, so you grab things. That's it.

Those three, those right there are very functional, like necessary skills to remain independent. Just train those, you don't need a lot of weight. And now, if they get good at them, then you can start to add weight. But I had clients that that was all we did. I mean, we just did those things, and we took our time,

and then it was really, really impactful. And then one more thing, this one actually I'm doing with my grandmother right now to improve her proprioceptive ability is, I was on one leg. No, no, she can't even, she barely can stand on two. It is, I would have, I have her sit in a chair, and I take a balloon, and it's just blown up with air no healing

or whatever and I pop it to her and her job is to pop it back to me with her hands and it's just to improve hand eye coordination and proprioception sound silly but it's actually a very standard exercise that you do rehab exercise that you would see no that's a great one and this question by the way to we're like we are, I noticed we're kind of bouncing around as far as envisioning where this level this person is. Because I would love if this person could stand on one leg or that's challenging. That's a great exercise.

Just balance. Yeah, getting someone to stand on one leg and balance like that is really good for clients. If they can do that, right? Like you said, in your case, she can't hardly stand on two so she's not ready for that. But that would be a great goal. That would be a great goal, is to be able to do that.

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