Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1523: The Difference Between Training for Strength Vs. Muscle Gain, Losing Body Fat Without Counting Calories, the Dangers of SARMS & More

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the difference between strength gains and muscle gains, how people who already have a lot of muscle can lose body fat without tracking calories, SARMS, and good guidelines for someone who wants to compete in a fitness show. The various methods the guys use to avoid speeding tickets. (3:34) Making the case for the value of bullies. (9:14) Barstool versus Michael Rapaport. (22:38) The guys speculate on Nike’s response to the Lil Nas X ‘Satan Shoes’ controversy. (24:45) Fun Facts with Justin: Where does the term ‘thug’ derive from? (30:04) A little-known fact about chicken nuggets. (34:14) The #1 risk factor to contract COVID that no one wants to hear about. (35:55) Creepy or Cool? 3D portraits created from stranger's DNA. (39:22) The science behind how hickeys are made. (42:20) #Quah question #1 – What is the difference between strength gains and muscle gains? (46:41) #Quah question #2 – For people with a lot of muscle already, how can they lose body fat without tracking calories? (51:27) #Quah question #3 – What is all this hype around SARMS? (58:43) #Quah question #4 – What are good guidelines for someone who wants to compete in a fitness show? (1:06:42) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Specials: MAPS Anabolic or Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “APRILSPECIAL” at checkout** Bad Trip | Netflix Official Site Michael Rapaport’s Suit Against Barstool Sports Continues Even as Defamation Claims Dismissed Nike is suing over Lil Nas X's 'Satan Shoes' containing human blood iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy–and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood–and What That Means for the Rest of Us Thuggees - the Cult Assassins of India | Ancient Origins Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement | Prime Video This Little Known Fact About McDonald's Chicken Nuggets Stuns Customers Jamie Oliver Saves the World - Eater Jamie's Dream School | Jamie vs. Nuggets CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese About 40% of US adults are obese, government survey finds DNA from Cigarette Butts Turned into 3D Printed Portraits Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1207: Five Ways To Lose Weight Without Counting Calories Forks over Spoons: The Impact of Cutlery on Calorie Estimates Big Fat Disconnect: 90% of Us Think Our Diets Are Healthy The Ultimate Goal to Intuitive Eating – Mind Pump Blog Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMs) | USADA Mind Pump #1507: Everything You Need To Know About Steroids With John Romano Mind Pump #1387: Turning Your Body Into A Fat-Burning Machine Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Michael Rapaport (@michaelrapaport)  Instagram Dave Portnoy (@stoolpresidente)  Instagram Adam Sedlack (@ufcgymperez)  Instagram Ben Greenfield Fitness (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram Sonny Webster (@sonnywebstergb)  Instagram Melissa Wolf WBFF BIKINI PRO (@meliwolff)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just tuned into the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. Anywhere, this is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was an intro portion where we talk about current events, scientific studies,

we have fun conversation, we mention our sponsors. Today's intro portion was 44 minutes. After that, we got into the questions. So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about speeding tickets. Looks like Katrina, Adams, wife got a speeding ticket. That's not good. Then we talked about the value of bullies.

Yes, there is some value to bullies. Sure. Then we talked about barstool versus rapiport, that whiny idiot, hopefully I think they won. Then we talked about Nike, the Satan shoes. Uh oh, what's going on there? Then we talked about thuggies. No, they're not diapers for your kids.

They're not the thuggish, ragged bones. No, it's up to the gals. Then we talked about chicken nuggets. A lot of people don't know this, but chicken nuggets only come in four shapes. That's it. Not random. That's right.

Then we talked about how 80% of the people in hospitals with COVID are also overweight or obese. Looks like being overweight is not good for you. Then we talk about how someone made 3D portraits from people's DNA who threw their cigarette butts and gum on the floor, so they got caught. Then we talked about hikis. Oh yeah, the old school way of showing people you made out.

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Must've been 80s, right? Are we on we're on dude. Oh, we are. Oh, okay. This is good time. Me is over here sexting Oh, you're a wife. Are you really? Well, no, I said hi. No, okay. This is good time. I'm over here sexting. Oh, you're a little wife. Are you really? Well, no, she's at high. No, she's got pulled over. She's got pulled over. No. You gave her a ticket and a fix to ticket.

I tell you, you go over. Wait, both? Wow, they were in a mood today. Yeah. She got pulled over for a 60 and a 50. That's weak. Come on, dude. And it's, I know it's over a Santa Cruz area over there.

I try to tell her to crack down certain turns the ways app on Yeah, you gotta use away I know it's like annoying when you're going somewhere you already know, but like I put it on always now Do you remember the days of the radar detectors? Yeah, that's still all around I had one of my car Cobra really remember the cobra one you had a the actual thing. So you stuck it on your dash? You stick it on your dash and it picks up X, radar, and some other ones, right? Discrambled the signal. No, that's the illegal one.

No, scrambleers illegal. But the one I had picks up signals, but the problem is is every motion sensor detected door in grocery stores, every whatever sets it off. Oh, really? Yes. Because they use that kind of... Oh, that's annoying. Yeah, so you drive by a grocery store, it's like, baby, baby grocery stores, every whatever sets it off. Oh really? Yeah, because they use that kind of Oh that's annoying. Yeah, so you drive by a grocery store

it's like, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, Oh you turn off. And then the problem is that police, they for a long time now they've been doing this but right when these radars became popular as radar detectors, they started using the, when they would test your speed, the old ones used to fire a continual signal,

that you could pick up. But then they got the ones where they push the button and then that's the only time you could pick it up. So by the time you go, BB here it got you. Oh, I thought it would read it over it. Like so, I mean, I thought you could get pick up on it. If you shoot in someone else. Yeah, way ahead. Maybe. I think you can. Did it ever save you from tickets? Did you ever see it and go, uh, smoky. You know, I had one, but I didn't have a very good one, dude. I had one when I was a kid. I don't even remember the brand.

It wasn't the brand you were talking about, which I don't, was it Viper? Is Viper make one or they just a lot? So I had Coke there and they had Coke, bro. Security company, you put the, like the low jack. Yeah, I thought they also did the, the, the, the radar detector too. Maybe, yeah, could have, mine was, I don't know.

It was hard to tell if mine ever really saved me or how many ways is incredible. Ways has saved me already. Ways is a whole nother level. Yeah, because they give you a half a mile before you even get to the count. Well, you could actually technically see where he is at miles ahead, like I can see it on the map. And then it alerts me when I'm a half a mile away.

And accidents are pretty accurate, like right away. Oh, there he is. Oh, well, When it comes to navigation. Yeah, I never saved me. Remember when like there was a big storm and I was trying to go over 17 and a tree had fallen down and I had like I was maybe I don't know 10 minutes away from like the actual like tree that had fallen and somebody had put that on there and I was able to navigate around it and make it home. Everybody else was there for like hours. Wow. Wow. And it's all, it's like a social media, right?

Yeah. It's all social media. Everybody contributes to it. People report. I actually, I like, so I'd never use it. That's when humanity makes me, I have hope. Yeah. And you know, it's cool.

And this, I love this is in such a great example of like free markets right here. Like no one's telling me that I have to contribute, I feel compelled to be it's already helped me so much. Yeah. So like now like if I so I keep it up on my on the TV monitor in the cars right and it's really easy like there's a little I don't even know what icon that you just hit and then it pulls up all the options traffic crash cop whatever and you just hit it real quick on the TV screen and then just use report and then it automatically uploads I haven't figured out like ways gives you credit and points. I don't know what I can do with that. Yeah, yeah

Is that just yeah, but the more I can contribute the more they give me these points On ways Yeah, you get to go to some casino and you know, yeah I'm sure somebody listening right now who do some sclaim all about ways than I do will hopefully probably DM me and you could buy a new skin for your face. I've never done it, right? No, I don't know what they do, but I mean, just because it

helped me so much, I, I, so you get points, if I'm not mistaken, I haven't used it in a while, if you say, oh, there's a cop here, and then people see what you said, and then they'll say he's there. Yeah Thank you. Yes boom point and if you confirm like so when you go always ask every time you pass You then you're accident or a cop car you know they ask you to confirm is he still there or not? If you can confirm it or say he's left like you give points for that Pro speeding tickets are the biggest racket. I'm gonna say right now the biggest rack

It's always the end of the month or very beginning of the month. You don't want to do this, like, oh my God, we need some revenue. It's pure bullshit. Here's my, here's why. Someone listening to you. It's the old well. Someone like, no, you can't speed

because then you might hurt someone and you crash. You have people already. Now, I get, like, I get that, right? Yes, going faster is more dangerous. Okay. If they really gave a shit, every car would have governor. No, car would go faster than the speed limit.

Right. Yeah, every car would be good. But I could go go I buy a piece of shit car goes a hundred miles an hour Why is it going a hundred miles an hour? Yeah, you know, I mean no because no one will buy you can because you can yeah Absolutely goes a speed limit I want to try something you guys really quick. It's like a Not again. The last time we did this got it. It's it gonna be weird. I mean, it might be a little bit weird, but okay, so. Remember that? Yeah.

Am I touching you? Apparently this doesn't work, so I'm curious to see if it does. I haven't actually tried it. So what you gotta do is kind of plug your nose. What? I was supposed to follow you. Do it right now. Are you gonna plug your nose?

Yeah, plug your nose. Okay. I hate my nose being closed. Yeah, right now it's dry because we're in the air. Okay, now you have to try and hum. No, you can't. The air has to come out of your nose, dude. It's impossible. Yeah, the now it's dry because we're in the air. Okay, now you have to try and hum. No, you can't. The air has to come out of your nose, dude. It's impossible.

Yeah, America's. It's a new thing I learned today. Wow. So lame. I thought it was gonna go a lot better. You just reminded me of some douchey shit from J.H. Oh, great. So everybody, forgive me, this was the 90s and it was just

what we did. And do you remember this one right here? Where you tell a girl? Nobody could touch their elbows behind their back remember that. Do you guys do stupid shit like that? I don't remember that. We did the one where they stick their chest out. Oh my god. Bro. It was so douchey. Everybody. It was the thing, dude Everybody did that. We did the shit for it. It gets me shit for my hoop ring and my fucking hip necklace You're over here. Make a girl. He's been shipped from my hoop ring and my fucking hip necklace. You're over here making girls. He's holding out. He's a kid. Bro, listen, it was like a joke everybody did.

It was the 90s. And I'm, you know, here's a deal, dude. I have kids, I have a daughter. Some fucker did that to my daughter. You get drop kids, you're being late. I don't care all these kid is, they're two. I remember that one. The one that we used to do a lot was the quarter trick right where you would yeah

I love this one. Yeah, you you'd you'd color the outside of it with like a heavy amount of either just half of it It's a pencil pencil. Yeah, pencil you go half you go half or you do the full thing Which they didn't they didn't really check that You know because you don't know this from your can you roll this from from the top of your head down So I would always do half and I I show them can you do this and that thing was there? Yeah, nothing was there and you handed to them and there's I mean always do half and I show them. Can you do this? And that thing was there. Yeah, nothing was there. And then you hand it to them and there's, I mean, half there. You know where the best pranks come from?

Yeah, they didn't trust you. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. You know the best pranks come from construction workers. If you work with construction workers, one of my favorites is this, like whenever my dad would have a work site and they'd have a new guy on or whatever, they would always say, hey, can you lift this bag of cement above your head?

You know, when the one try. Oh, and the guy comes behind you. So he goes like this, right? Razor blades it open. Yeah, so then someone behind him with the troubles. Yeah, so funny. So funny. Yeah, this must have.

And you covered it like powder. Powdered cement. These conversations remind me, I got a bunch of messages because we talk about, obviously Netflix shows on, you know, like the number one training show right now, Netflix is that bad trips, we should watch that today. What is it? because we talk about obviously Netflix. You know like the number one training show right now Netflix is that bad trips We should watch that today. Oh really? It's all about pranks

Oh, it's like it's a movie and it's all about like all these great pranks that people do okay I'll a couple people message me and said like we would like it. Oh, yeah, we grow up with the ton of pranks Man, I mean we cared that into college and everything. It's like you just get bored. You can't do it at school anymore though, right? That's like a bullying now, right? Sure. I know. So it's some kind of microaggression, you know. Yeah, it is, right?

I mean, if a kid were to do so, any of these things that we're talking about right now, you get, that's like suspension, right? So, you know what's funny? I'm sure. I get the bullying, I hated bullies. It's, in fact, every fight I ever got into was with a bully.

They weren't bullying me, they were bullying other people. And I would, I hated it. I couldn't stand it, right? So there's bullying. but then there's like, fucking with each other and pranks and testing each other, and I feel like that's an important, yeah, but the problem with that is, I feel like the coming of age,

well, the problem with that is it's a fine line. You're right, you have to know that. That's, that's, that's what I find out. I find out, I guess it's a fine line, and you're asking teenage boys to manage that line. But here's a deal. Here's my argument for that.

Okay. In life, life requires you to understand lines, to understand, how to navigate. You learn it as a teenager. What's the worst thing that happened? Oh, do you think, don't do anything terrible? What's the worst thing that happened? You tease your friend and you realize,

oh, he's one of those that can't handle it, so I'm not gonna do it anymore, right? You learn that as a kid, then you get in the workplace and you have better, I guess, social skills. Yeah, you know? Well, not to mention that, but I also think that the bully always gets what he deserves anyways. I mean, I don't know about you guys,

but most of the guys that I know that were assholes when we were growing up, just, they don't make it very well. No, no, no well. No, the real world is not kind to that. They're not kind to that. No, they end up terrible. One of the number one skills, if I could teach anything to my kids, it's how to be... To be liked. Likeable. Yes. And everybody hates a bully. And he might rule the world from, you know, fourth grade to f**k content grader, some sh shit. But after that, that you don't get very far in a person like that. The worst is when, you know, the person that was being punked by the bully, turns into, you know, the same person that they were fighting growing up, you know, that's happens a lot. The power, you know, the, the, the also come into this power and remember all these old

feelings that they had that they hated hated you know, grown up with. And it's like, you hate to see that repeat itself. Yeah, you do. But I mean, the testing part with friends is, I don't know, I used to always enjoy it. Now, it definitely can escalate. Yeah. But it's, it's always escalating.

It's healthy though, man. It's like, you know, to an extent, I lost, I lost a best friend. Well, you guys went crazy. I heard some of the shit you guys had. Yeah, well, I mean, we an extent, I lost, I lost a best friend. Well, you guys, great. I heard some of you guys. Yeah. Well, I mean, we, uh, here, here is the part like there, I don't know, this is why I say it's such a fine line because, um, a lot of what, so what my original like childhood best friends that we go back to elementary school, um, and we all played sports and, and played video games and we were extremely competitive.

And that's, that's really, we were very different, came from different walks of life, weren't always into all the same things, but that was the glue in our friendship. And we remain competitive, our entire, into adulthood. And when you become an adult, I think there becomes this, you start to evaluate the circle of people you hang around

and you don't want the friend who's, who thinks it's funny to always put you down, that used to put you like, and like cut those cutloas and jokes like that. But when you become a 27 year old man and you're working hard for your job and you get your first promotion, it's not like, the friends that you're looking for now

are ones that are gonna celebrate your wins with you and support you, not the ones that are gonna be competitive with you still and try and put you down. No, but here's my point with that. You learned that. Yes, you learned that. You learned our valuable friends because of that asshole in the group.

And not just that, but you learned the line because we fuck with each other all the time. But it's not, it's positive, right? There's definitely a way it could be negative. Like if it's just constantly getting ragged on, you're like, I don't really like the energy, it's not that fun or whatever. So there's definitely a line,

but I think it's an important part of being friends. Well now, how do you guys, because you guys are obviously raising boys right now in this time, girls too, right? This isn't one sex, it's bullies in both. Yeah, different though, a little different. I know, it's a different conversation in different ways that they do it, right?

I mean, have you guys had to deal with that and do you kind of allow your kids to be bullied a little bit and absorb that and talk them through it or are they being sheltered so much from that because of the school? You know, there's no physical, my son has not experienced her seeing physical, maybe a little bit, but not much.

So it's way different than when I was a kid. When I was a kid, bullying could be very physical, right? Yeah. They don't see that much, but I think where he's learning how to navigate that is how my relationship is with him and how he sees my relationship is with my friends. So he sees us mess around, but he sees that there's a line

that we kind of don't cross, right? So he's like that with his friends. I told you guys a story. Now are you assuming that or do you guys actually have conversational? We had some good conversation. Okay, because that's the one I'm like, that's a, I mean, because he's learning.

He's a very smart boy, so maybe he's that perceptive, but I feel like he's smart, but you have to learn this stuff because you go too far. That's some sound, I don't know if we pick up on that. So you'll send me memes and sometimes the memes are like, whoa, dude, this is dark and I'll tell him, I'll say, hey, look, you know me and I find this hilarious. It's said, but be very careful who you joke around with or send these things to because

not everybody's going to be that way. You make sure, you know, it's the right person and you got to be very careful because you can really backfire. There's some people that are okay and some people that are not and you need to know that. It's up to you to discern that. That's life. Yeah. I mean, I've been going through this quite a bit

with my oldest because there's just been certain interactions and relationships he's had with different friends or different kids that aren't his friends that he doesn't really like and doesn't like to be around. And, you know, like the climate today is like everybody just has to like each other. We all have to be friends and I'm like, you don't have to be friends with everybody.

That's not like something that's realistic, but you gotta be cordial and you gotta be nice and it has to come from you. Like, you know, and like, and if you don't wanna play or you don't wanna do something, you know, you just be very nice and say, well, you know, thank you for the offer or whatever, but I'm actually gonna go over here and play with my friends.

And so he's had to have interactions like that quite a bit with some kids that annoy the shit out of him. And on top of that, it's like, so basically, a lot of these conversations that keep coming up with him where it's like, he's having like interactions with his friends online all the stuff they're rousing each other Like he just got interested in girls, and so they're kind of rousing about girls Like there's a big difference between rousing and really like being mean spirited about it towards you And so he's he's figuring that out because at first He's like they keep making fun of me, you know for having a girlfriend like dude. That's just your friends

That's what happens, you know, so it's interesting to see him trying to figure that out. So you guys do have conversations, right? Now, have you guys been on the other end of catching one of your kids potentially bullying somebody else or going too far with their friends and you've had to rein them in? No, but I did have a conversation with my daughter because so with girls, it's a little bit different.

You know what I first noticed by the way, when they were really little? when they were really little. When they were really little. My son, it must have been preschool or kindergarten. So he's like four or five, right? And he's playing in the playground. And I'm just, this is my first kid. You know, I'm watching these kids totally different now

as a father. And I see the little boys running around and one kid pushes another kid and a little boy cries or whatever it gets up and then they come over, dust them off and then they're okay and they're playing with her. And then I'm watching the girls and some of them are running around, but then they notice like,

there's these three girls and they were like huddled and talking and then this other girl came over and they were talking about her. She comes over and all three of them ignored her. We're not gonna play, and they were in kindergarten. I was like over and all three of them ignored her. We're not gonna play, and they were in kindergarten. I was like, oh my gosh, this is very different. Wow, that's very honest.

Yeah, that's so serious. Yes, crazy. Yeah, so my daughters had situations like that where she'll get in a fight with one of her friends. This is the thing too. Typically, you don't hear from your boy, he got in a fight with his friend. If he did, it's a physical fight. You don't hear, he got in a fight with his friend. If you did, it's a physical fight.

You don't hear like, we got in a big argument. It's this big drama. And now my other friends are taking sides. And this is what happened with my daughter. Like I got in a fight with SOTO. Well, what happened? Well, she said this, I said that. Then my other friend came, took her side.

But then this other girl was on my side. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is really complex. This is really complex. It's like a kid do this. Oh my gosh. Talk to your mom. Yeah. No, I'm, so I'm just, oh my gosh, this is really complex. This is really complex. It's like a kid do this. Oh my gosh, talk to your mom. Yeah. No, so I'm just telling her. I'm like, yeah, so I'm like, listen, be kind.

Always be the better, try to be the better person. And my daughter's very assertive. She can be very, very assertive. So I said, also be nice. I said, I know how you can assert yourself. That's okay. Be strong, but also be nice, be kind. So we've had those conversations.

But it is interesting. Well, yeah, again, back to this kid that was kind of pestering Ethan quite a bit. It's been a battle because he'll go through phasor, he wants his be mean, back and talk trash about him to. So whatever you put out that's mean, just be ready to get that coming right back at you. Paid the consequences.

You know, and so that's a conversation we've had to have a few times. And I'm like, I understand you're frustrated, and I understand that this is a hard to deal with, because you have to confront this. But whatever kind of mean-spirited energy you put in that direction, you're gonna receive that back. You know, this is like one of the biggest hurdles

my best friend who's the principal says that they have to deal with. Because it's different today. Like, right, if I really don't like somebody who's like really like bullying me or making fun of me or something like that, like you had back in the days, you had to go like face them or avoid them. Like those are your options. Yeah, either you face it or you avoid it completely.

We're now there with social media and everybody is following us. Everybody is selling phone, like there's lots of ways to attack each other without having to really like step up and attack somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like so, that's a lot of stuff that happens is people sharing like, you know, a photo of someone where they doctor it up, that's a big deal, right?

So like, let's say there's a kid you don't like, and instead of like making it look like a pig or something. Yeah, exactly. Do so, like catch him eating his sandwich and lunch, then carrot cartoon figure his face and do something like that, and put something mean and then send it to everybody or post it like. Here's the worst part of it all.

That, and this, you're right, it's this totally new territory is, you know, when I went out, we'll off with my friends, and we did stupid shit and said stupid shit and whatever. At the worst, people would tell the story about it. Oh, Sal, blah, blah, blah, or this guy, but there were no pictures. There was no diamondic record of it.

No, now I think, yeah. And let me, exactly, I made a lot of stupid shit. Everybody does, right? Now there could be a picture. And there was, actually there was a website. What's that, something winery, something mountain winery that people go do concerts. Yeah, not winery.

No way, okay. There's this website where it's literally, or this page or whatever, where it's pictures of kids, and I say kids are in their 20s, drinking too much wine and vomiting all over the place. So it's pictures like girls, like you know, the friends are holding it,

they're like whatever, acting great. And I'm like, that sucks the place. So it's pictures like girls, like, you know, the friends are holding her up and whatever, acting great. And I'm like, that sucks. Yeah. Because it's all documented, it's there forever. You know what I mean? It's like, our shit wall of shame. Our shit was gone forever. Nobody knows.

Yeah. I know. I just made it through. Did you guys see, I didn't even know this. Barstale Sports posted this up just the other morning. The video of him in the legal battle with Michael Rappenport. I didn't even know, like I guess I was out of it. So what's the whole deal going on there?

So first of all, and I guess I do recall Michael Rappenport doing things with bar still before, which it didn't even dawn on me till like, I don't know, maybe a year ago when I. He's such a whiny. Well, yeah, when the whole election thing went on, like I know he's like super anti-Trump and he's so angry. So, yeah, come on, dude. He's, he's, well, he's, and he attacks a lot of people, right? And he's very, very vocal about it and a

bit vicious and so like that. And some people find it very funny, right? Some people find that very funny, uh, whatever. I don't really care. Uh, but I didn't know that they had a big falling out. And But I didn't know that they had a big falling out and I guess the CEO of bar stool at that time which was Dave before Erica took over knew that when he let go of Michael Rappenport that he was gonna Do what he does which is be outlandish and crazy and I guess he did he did some memes or stuff of him bending Dave over and Whoa, oh, yeah, and just talking shit and stuff like that. And Dave was ready for that reaction. And so then he had shirts made right afterwards of like him as a clown with herpes or some show.

Wow. Yeah. And then I guess Michael comes back. That's a game. They're going to play the game. Well, yeah. They're on Monday. And the funny part though is that obviously, you know, you know, Mike does it

It loves to play this game until it really hurts him or you know people or he's the so he's suing them. Yeah, he but I Mean Dave blew it out of the water. He couldn't he couldn't prove anything to him any and in the way He was trying to set it up the way the lawsuit was going. I was trying to prove that Barstall sports was already trying to lawsuit was going, it was trying to prove that bar still sports was already trying to uh, it was premeditated. Yes. It's premeditated trying to destroy his name by doing and had the shirts ready to go, then fired him and then released it where day was like, no, it was a response.

It was a response to his bullshit knowing that he was going to act like that. And so, okay, you want to play that game? I'll make a shirt. Oh my god. Yeah. So I know, right? Yeah. Crazy. Speaking of controversy, uh, the Lil Nas, uh, Satan shit. Oh my god. Yeah, so that's what it is. I know, right? Crazy drop. Speaking of controversy, the Lil Nas Satan shoe.

Oh yeah, what's going on with that? Everybody talking about that. Yeah, everybody and their mothers talking about this. So, I mean, okay, so the deal is the shoes got like 666 on it, you know, pentagram, only 666 shoes. I heard you have some blood in it. There's a human, that's what he says, right? There's a drug, a human blood in the little fucking

whatever. I don't even know what to believe. And it's like the number one training video right now too, right? The music video? Oh my God, it's so terrible. Anyway, so here's the thing. So Nike apparently is suing them now or not associated.

Well, yeah, a lot of people thought it was a partnership. And so I think that's why they're suing because the initial everybody coming out was just like, I can't believe Nike. Oh, okay. So let's put our tinfoil hats on then. Do you think they had a part of constructing this? They've obviously seen how, well, you know how I feel about this stuff.

How with, you know, with, you know, Colin Kaepernick and all these different things where they've been associated loosely or then they claim ownership when it works in their favor, but then when it does it, they sort of, you know, these different things where they've been associated loosely, or then they claim ownership when it works in their favor, but then when it does, they sort of, you know, dissociate themselves. You know where I stand on this. I think a lot of these big, big companies like this. Either way, they're making money.

They're constructing. They're brilliant at marketing, and you know, it was just like the shrimp thing. Like, it doesn't make sense to me why the, like, we just talked about that. The cinnamon toast thing, right? Yeah, you're right. A guy makes a false claim. The stupidest article I've ever heard. Right. A guy makes a false claim. The stupidest article I've ever heard. Right, a guy makes a false claim and then becomes famous for it.

It's not shrimp, it's just all the sugar. Yeah, it's just all the extra sugar we give you. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're in sugar about cinnamon toast crunch now. So, yeah, you saw Nike with the controversy with Kaepernick and everything go back and forth and they made a ton of money off of that,

that all that conversation. Well, they're suing him though. So that makes me think that it maybe they didn't yeah, because he so what do you do? He took the shoe and then so he have it somebody designed that shoe Yeah, so apparently Nike saying we did not say you yeah, we didn't authorize it or whatever is probably where that I mean case there's a there's a massive and I should know this right because I'm into sneakers There's a massive resell market in Nike's as it is, right? So I don't understand like, what's to stop him from buying, what's to stop anybody from buying a pair of Nike's, you know, coloring him up.

Yeah, there's a guy, I don't people do that anyway. Yeah, there's a guy called Kikaso, who I've bought a couple pairs of shoes from him way back when. Kikaso. And he's an artist and he takes shoes, all different brands, not just Nike, but all different brands. And he paints art on them and then sells them and they look cool, right? And a lot of people buy him a lot of athletes have him and he sells him for a premium right.

So does that mean that he could be sued by Nike then? Like I don't understand. I don't know what the whole deal is. So this has to be either the music industries, the album that they're dropping associated with Lil Nas. Is this a new album in his video, obviously, his brand? Yeah, the video is new. But to get attention now, it's like,

you gotta create some kind of controversy. So is that coming from the music side of it or to come from Nike? Or a plot between both. Yeah. Yeah, a little handshake. Yeah, between both. Yeah. You know, what? Yeah, a little handshake. Yeah, how it plays out will really matter, right?

Because they could say I'm going to sue you and then nothing comes in like it's dropped and nothing happens, right? Right. And yeah, so it's like they could be associated just as so long until they're ready and then like, yeah, now we're going to sue you. Yeah, yeah. So here's our plan. If it gets too, you know, bad pub, we'll just pretend like we're not with it and we'll

sue you. Yeah, we're gonna get lots of public money. And you are too. We both are. You know what this screams to me, which is so exhausting. Yeah, but here's the thing that's interesting to me is that is the outrage people have over some things and not and other things are not so much. Like we just heard about Mr. Potato Head maybe changing his name to Potato Head because apparently it's gendered or whatever.

And then you have a shoe that is, you know, named after the personification of pure disgusting evil. Yeah, yes, symbolically should be worse than Hitler. Yeah, right, right, which is everybody's go to. It's very interesting. I'll let you know, I will say this, music is, you know, Satan and I mean, I'm sorry. Oh, I just think it's been, this generation has been, it's popular to be anti-god.

You know, that's been going on for the last decade and a half, maybe arguably two decades, where it's cool to be anti-god. I mean, the rise, that was an I-gen also of atheism is like higher today than it's ever been, right? Yeah. So I just think that it's become more popular to be that. Also, it's, I mean, you're gonna get these shoes

because you want people to react, right? If you want a game of shit. Yeah, nobody gave a shit. You're putting on red-black shoes, nobody cares. Yeah, you know. Well, there's not even that many pairs. And I would imagine most people will, would buy them to resell them or hold on to them

because of value increase because where do they get the blood yeah that's gotta be that's yeah they just say that like oh it's embedded in the shoe yeah you can't see it yeah cool dude yeah yeah absolutely believe you then right Satan like to for sure like oh they got us yeah they say tannic priest you know bring over it oh cool in reality it's another Nike sweatshirt yeah some the 12 year old making it like cut their finger oh you know what we'll say dangerous work conditions no no no no no there's a drop of blood oh it's shoot yeah I've been tried to bring up. I didn't know where to insert this ever, but like so. That's unusual.

Yeah, I'm really into cults, as you guys know. Whoa. I just like to watch and see, you know, in history, like where they come from, who's buying into these things, just to be better prepared for more of them coming up, because they will. So there was this one. You need a Cloud Off Guard or something? Damn it, the cold coming again. Hey man, look with, I don't know,

you could classify a lot of movements out there as colds if you want. So, and I'm happy to name them out right now. But basically, if you guys heard of like where the thug comes from, then the term thug. No. Yes, you parked it in the, no, it wasn't two-pock. Yeah, I thought that too. No, it. You parked it in the minute. No, it wasn't two-pock. Yeah, I thought that too. No, it was in India back in the day,

I guess the thuggies was this, basically, there's part of this cult that was notoriously, like they killed the most people out of anybody, like almost like over history, over a couple million people. Like really? Yes. Wow.

And we don't know who these, I never called thuggies. Yeah, and so this is in India, and so what they, they were like a band of, basically they would, they would, they would, like attack people on the roads and like steal and, and they were thieves and they would steal their stuff and then they would, I, I believe, tell me from wrong dog, obviously you don't have your setup like normal right now,

but like they would have these ropes that they would tie around, they'd like strangle people to death with them, but it was all part of, you know, their God that they worshiped, which is a sacrifice. Yeah, to their God that they worshiped. Yeah, and they just killed people to sacrifice their God. And they just kept killing them,

and then they would offer their bodies. Yeah, now I'm not gonna lie. When you said thuggies, I thought about was like, because my son wears huggies. I thought about like, they're like huggies, but they sag, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Get your kid a pair of thuggies. Thuggies, you see? It's got some sunglasses. Yeah, so that's thug derived from that. Duried from that. Oh, a lot of them. Thugs on the road that would basically attack people steal that and then kill and how old is that? How far back does it go? Yeah, I think it's yeah hundreds of years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah

What you're like a fine line between like you know civilized and like we can do some really terrible shit Yeah, and justify it. Yeah oftentimes the stuff just to fight especially if you think it's righteous, right? Yeah, you're doing this for something in that direction. For me, the craziest story is how, who was it that killed? It was Manson, got together a bunch of upper middle class kids, and basically convinced them to murder other people. And they were normally,

they were normal, well-adjusted kids, good families, and he essentially convinced them to murder like a pregnant woman and you know the whole story. How do you get into someone's mind like that? I don't know. That is some serious. He must have been like, well obviously he used a lot of drugs. Yeah, well I mean, you're giving the example

of the crazy scary side, but you see it on the religious side too. You see very fanatical people in good, even good communities. You know that, that like just worship the guy who's presenting this information. You can see that in almost any group. Yeah. Yeah. One last time you already with a nutrition of what was this? What was the stat on like, you know, most people want to be led. Most people want to follow somebody. and when you find somebody who is just can speak charismatic. Yeah. And everything they say is what you needed to get. It resonates with you so much. And you're already that person that is looking to follow. And I just,

I also feel like you know, it's a good movie that shows that very, very well. Fight Club. No, yeah. How he gets that whole how he gets them all the time. They're dirt and the wayco Dacup documentary does it. Oh, that's a real real deal. Yeah, you gotta watch That's actually happened. Yeah, no, you and when you and they did a good job of like, you know When you're an outsider looking in and we were watching the news and stuff of that you're like what the fuck these crazy He's and he's crazy But when they when they build it from the beginning and they show you the relationships he built and like how he was creating a

Family for a lot of people that just didn't have anything. That's what it's so predatory that way. 100% yeah, that's wild. Yeah, so I think you see it on both sides. So I learned something interesting yesterday because it's so super left turn, but it's kind of cool. Did you know chicken nuggets come in four specific shapes? What are the dinosaurs?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the bone, the boot, and the ball. You can look it up. So any time you get chicken nuggets, 20 piece, whatever, you look in there, it's one of those four things. Now the funny part about that is it's not random. They do it, they make it with that to make it look like they're random. You just don't know, I mean, I never eat chicken nuggets, but I thought that was very interesting. Of course though, it's not, it's probably, I mean,

it's me. Did you ever see that that documentary I think I want to say it was this was years ago Jamie something saves the world or something like that I think I know and he goes around to all these like some of the like the the the fattest states are cities and states and he goes and talks to the kids and tries to educate the administration and he did a demonstration with chicken nuggets and he's to talks to the kids and tries to educate them on nutrition. And he did a demonstration with chicken nuggets and he's to show these kids like how they're made. Like he takes all the cartilage and the bone

in front of them and like, you know, grinds it all up in a blender and stuff like that. And then it's all soupy and pink and then he pours it in the frying pan. You know what, that would have never done work on me though. Well, it didn't work on the kids. I was gonna say, cause I didn't get the nuggets,

like whatever. A couple of kids were like grossed out, but then half of them were like, as soon as it was fried and they're like, yeah! Yeah! It just shows you how much better marketing McDonald's has done. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah.

That's what I'm saying, speaking of obesity, some statistics came out, 80% of the people in the hospital with COVID, so people who get COVID who have to be hospitalized, 80% of them are overweight or obese. Wow. So it's, Why do you take so long for this information to come out?

It's the number one risk factor for severe symptoms. I thought we're new to that. Yeah, but like somewhere along the lines. The data keeps confirming. Yes, it got countered. Didn't you get countered for a while and say like, Oh, it's not just because, you know, like, that's not the highest factor.

No, it's it. That's it right there. Yeah, you know, like, that's not the highest factor. No, it's it, that's it, right there. Yeah, is being obese or overweight. And now, of course, this flies in the face of the whole health that every size movement and, you know, whatever. But the reality is, like, if you're obese or overweight and it's not muscle or whatever,

Whoa, and the reality is nobody wants to hear that. So it says, that's like one of those things that comes out and they just get brushed for any throat. And that's what you're seeing right now. No one's gonna be talking about it. Yeah, meanwhile, I think Americans have gained more weight this year than in many years past. Because of the shutdown.

Yeah, a lot of people it gained a lot of weight. Some people got in better shape, but most people gained weight. Stress, sedentary, poor diet, all the above. Yeah, what do you do when you're stressed out? Yeah. You want to eat, eat and drink. You want to eat, you know, a foreshaped chicken nuggets.

But what an uphill battle though, is releasing a, the level of self awareness it takes for the masses to accept that information and take responsibility. Because when you look at what was a stat we did, 40 something percent is now clinically obese. Oh yeah. 80% is overweight. 70% yeah. 70% is overweight. Yeah, so you know, you hear, that's did, 40 something percent is now clinically obese. Oh yeah. 80% is overweight. 70% yeah.

70% is overweight. Yeah, so you know, you hear that's every, it's most everybody there, you know, saying the other, and the people that were in the minority, I already feel like I knew this anyways, right? If you're already somebody who was actively, you know, pursuing a healthy lifestyle, eating well, good relationships, exercising in a gym, doing things like that. I feel like that community already kind of figured this out.

That's not news to me. Right? I don't, yeah, we know fitness. Yeah, but this is news to a lot of people. Like, oh my gosh. I don't know being overweight or obese. Well, we talked with Adam Siddlerk recently and he was discussing like the statistics

that they have to on how much COVID is actually spread in the gym industry is like ridiculously low. That's lower than the studies that they've done so far show that they're not vectors of transmission. They're just not. Well, speaking of that, you see all the articles that are now coming out on the states that have loosened up all the regulation on on mass. Yeah, so far they're doing good.

So far they're doing better. Actually, not bad at all. You know, when you factor everything in though, unemployment, deaths due to suicide, mental illness, due to excessive lockdowns, it seems like it's getting very clear that lockdowns, the severe lockdowns were caused more. And that's really the weight of the argument for me.

Yeah, it is like, and we had to weigh that out, we talked about in the very beginning of everything once it was starting to unfold was like, what are gonna be the casualties of shutting down all these businesses, these schools, keeping people in their houses, making them wear masks, not interacting. You know what the truth is?

The truth is, had you not locked things down? People probably naturally would have been avoided. Right. Lots of public places. There's a lot more cautious just on their own. But here's the difference. You don't feel forced. That makes a big difference.

It's a big difference. It makes a huge difference. You do that choice yourself versus feeling like you're being forced. Yeah. It's very big difference in how you perceive it psychologically. Yeah. Yeah. I got some really fascinating.

So I saw this today. I thought this was both awesome and a little frightening So a PhD student Heather Dewey Hagboard Had 3D printed portraits from DNA found on cigarette butts and chewing gum on the streets of New York City So what she did was what so so people who throw their cigarettes. I got that or their gum They spit on the floor. She used the DNA from them. She got the DNA from them and constructed their faces, 3D printed their faces and did it and exhibit. No way.

Right there. No way. And didn't exhibit to show like these are the people that should. These are the people that would do something. Oh my God. No way, that's possible. That's what it says.

Wow. So it says here, imagine dropping a cigarette, but then a couple days later, walking some random art gallery to see your face. Let me see this. It's just a picture I just took. I know, that's, wow, that kid. If that's accurate, that's fucking trippy.

Dude, that's trippy. You know, it's trippy, but now that's cool. Also scary. Scary. Yeah. Like if you just like blow your nose through on the garbage, someone's like, huh, cool.

Did you have pictures of like being able to find these people too, Or was this just all like, she kept them random. Well, I mean, that's the hardest part. Once you got to who they are, you know, tracking them down and finding them would be easy. Oh, wow, that's, it's been an art gallery of it.

To the people that were littering or whatever. The streets, that's wild. That is very wild, dude. I didn't even know that was possible. Dude, the future's gonna be weird when the technology gets super cheap, you know what I mean? Like, you're hanging out. Dude, and that's so creepy.

You're hanging out with your bro. You've got a wall full of heads. No, it's an art gallery. I know, I get it, but like, just, you know, from a visual perspective, like, you see, it's almost creepy, right? Where's it at? I wanna see it, it's actually kinda cool.

I think it was New York. Yeah, but I mean, imagine, you're like in the future, because everything is gonna be so, you know, technology would be advanced, right? So you're probably having an app or you could do this. Yeah. And you're like, you know, your girlfriend gets in the car or whatever, and she's like, wait I mean, imagine you're like in the future because everything is gonna be so, you know, technology would be advanced, right? So you're probably having an app or you could do this. Yeah. And you're like, your girlfriend gets in the car or whatever and she's like, wait a minute,

that's not my hair. Like, that is. No, it's not. Hold on, let me put it in my app. Did you do, did you do, you show us a picture of the chick? What? Yeah, this bitch. Did you guys know?

That's my best friend with the book. You remember when, obviously, you guys have seen Elf. It was a classic. Classic. You know, when they were filming that, they didn't even shut down a lot of the streets and everything. So when he was running around in his little costume

and everything, they were capturing a lot of these moments. And so him going over to where the pre-tuned gum wasn't everything was real. He ate that home real for real? Apparently he did that for real. Cool. Yeah. So just so. Anything for comedy, I guess. No, I It apparently he did that for real. Ooh. Yeah. So just so-

Anything for comedy, I guess. No, I had friends that did stuff that. Remember we were taught, we shared on the podcast stories. Oh, guys that want to just go to high school. Yeah. And then horse manure inside a biscuit and eat an ass. This is another dude thing. Yeah, I used to just-

You have girls each other out. I don't need to desk and then chew it. Hey, you ever, you ever trade, like, have your girl like, you're dating and you're like junior high or high school, do that with the gum with her. Yeah, or you like make out and like the gum goes in. Yeah, just because you want everybody to know, like, uh, she's you, my gum.

Yeah, it's so gross. The fuck were we thinking, dude? That's weird. So disgusting. I literally were my jacket, that's what I was talking about. Hey, did you give Hickey's, dude? Huh? Do you ever give Hickey's?

Sure, sure, there was a, you had such a dumb thing, dude. Yeah, I know. That's my girlfriend. You can see itis? Sure, sure, there was a, you had such a dumb thing, dude. That's my girlfriend. You can say that once it's vise, I was like, I like this. That was like his seventh grade thing or something around there. I'd say it around there.

It wasn't cool when you were in high school. Yeah, I don't get it. When you're in that, people to know, when you're a fifth grade, I made up. Fifth grade, yeah, that's what it is. It's more of that.

When you're in fifth grade to eighth grade, right, you just come out of sex ed and you want to be the person who's, you know, I'm the spare agent. I'm trying to only see you guys learn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm already giving Hickey. I'm the lab right now. Do you know, totally made out?

No, you did it. Oh yeah, look at this. How do you think I got that? I'm touching a boob. It looks like a love-rebody. That's like the shape of a vacuum, though. I don't know. Doesn't that what made probably

Tertleneck so popular for us in that era? I mean, that was a time to rock turtleneck. I think you're right. Yeah, it was around that. That was right around that same time. And that's what it was. You'd have it.

You'd have it at the church. You'd have it at church, right? Yeah. My sister came home. This is a true story, dude. And she was, I wanna say she was a junior in high school. I was a very overprotective brother. You guys know my personality, so I was really,

she comes home and she's got hickeys on her neck. Oh, good. Oh, good. And my mom saw it and of course she's like, please God, do not let your dad see what's going on. So I'm walking into the kitchen and I hear this conversation. My mom telling my sister, don't show your dad.

Yeah. Then I walk in, they both see me and they're both like, oh fuck, my sister, don't show your dad. Yeah. Then I walk in, they both see me and they're both like, oh fuck, so I could tell something's going on, like don't tell them what, don't tell them what, what's going on? And I see the hikis and I'm like, oh shit. So this fucking kid shows up at the house to come hang out or whatever, poor kid.

Shit is pants. Oh yeah, never came back. Never came back. What is, what's, what's, what's, what's, like you marked up my sister, I'll mark you, oh no. I'm gonna make some marks on you myself. You're just a horny teenager, right?

Never came back. What's the science behind what happens there? Is it like you're breaking calipers? Is it? Calipers, calipers, calipers? Calipers, calipers. Oh, what's all I'm hearing? They can help with me a lot.

So that's what it is. It makes me feel you're sucking so hard that they burst. Yeah. It's like when you throw up and I get I'm like you know, I'm my eyes and then what is it that makes that? You never you get what makes it generate and turn over and then go away, right? It's like a it's a bruise You just basically created a surface bruise. I wonder if the jive light would like speed that process. Yes, it would. Yes It would but it would know it actually actually I was asking you so it heals. had a commercial for Juvenile bruises I fucking underhand

No, it actually will it will make it will speed up it speeds up these broken going on over any Oh, no you stop you No, you're just want to point out. Oh, no, you stop. You're good. You're the best. Go ahead, just go ahead. I am the best. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I'll just set this out. You're all right.

No problem. No, it'll work. You know what's funny? So, you gave me the, you know, the, the new small unit that they have, like this big, the portal. Yeah. So Jessica's been using it every day just on her face. 10 minutes a day, five days a week or whatever.

And I don't know if she was using it. I brought it home, I did the live with the live juve or whatever, so I had it. I took home. Anyway, I've been noticing, she's looking really, I'm told I'm like, man, you look really good. Your skin looks really good. She's like, I'm not wearing any foundation or anything

from the juve, two weeks. Two weeks of using it, I could just consider. I feel like we're coming up with better marketing material for these companies now. Yeah, no suck face, two weeks. Two weeks of using it, I could just consider. I feel like we're coming up with better marketing material for these companies now. Yeah, no surce, no suck face, juice. Yeah, something like that. I can't, he's making go away. Yeah, like the Caldare one, we came up with the other day,

I think these are a bunch of big smalls. Yeah, so. They won't shrink your day. Yeah, no, no, it works, dude. And if you shine it on your balls, your testosterone goes up. Yeah, no, I know. And it's just the right shape.

Yeah. We saw a bank reef will goes up. Yeah, no. And it's just the right shape. Yeah. We saw a bank refill do that. Yeah, unfortunately. Mmm. We call it. We call it. We call it.

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It's the motherfucking for. The Eagle is landed. Quikwa. First question is from Jenny Jane 36. What is the difference between strength gains and muscle gains? Ah, strength versus muscle. All right, so strength is obviously a function of performance. Muscle contributes heavily to that,

basota's technique, so does your skill, and your ability of your muscles to communicate with each other. This is why a much bigger body builder might not be a strong as someone much smaller. So can you develop more strength without building more muscle? Yes, you can. Can you build muscle without necessarily gaining more strength?

Yes, also. Now, bigger muscles always contract harder. So a bigger muscle is stronger in its contraction. But if you can't translate it to skill and technique, then you'll have bigger muscles that just aren't moving as effectively, and so you're not gonna be as strong. Now the beauty of it is this,

they're so closely connected that training for one or the other will probably give you both. It's an interesting question that, you know, I've gotten quite a few times and I remember geeking out on this a lot as a kid because I would see guys that weren't that huge but were insanely strong. And I'm like, where are they getting this from? Because all the guys I used to idolize were just huge Arnold

type, you know, bodybuilder guys that were on action movies. And meanwhile, you see, you know a kind of a scrawny looking dude like being able to pull off these amazing Feats of Strength. But then I started learning more about the central nervous system. I started learning more about force output. I started learning about technique and mastery of technique and things like that. And then you really see like there's a different way to train

to manipulate both of those, and sometimes they both bowed well for each other as well. So there's definitely carryover in both. But I mean, Olympic athletes are such a great example of this conversation. They don't just keep getting bigger and bigger. I mean, it looks like our compute in my classes. Yeah, our buddy, Sunny Webster, you look at his body shape size. I mean, he's built, but he's not a bodybuilder.

Yeah, he's a body can crush a body shape size. I mean, he's built, but he's not a body builder. Yeah, he's a body can crush a body builder. But yeah, he's incredibly strong. So it really highlights how much room there is to improve CNS and technique mastery. Really getting good at that, that you can scale strength quite a bit without getting massive or building a ton of extra muscle just by getting better at the movement itself.

Yeah, and a lot of those movements don't like big bulky muscles get in the way of the fluidity of it of really being able to move with ferocity and more force and power. And so, you know, like we literally build our bodies and we determine what the outcome is based on the way that we're moving and we're stimulating it. I think there's also highlights. So the other side of that, which is that you don't necessarily always have to move a ton of weight

to build a very aesthetic physique. Correct, correct. I mean, I actually was, I fell in that camp for most of my training career. I actually, I mean, I have chased PRs and singles and heavy lifts more in the last six years with you guys than I did my previous 15 years of lifting. I never cared about that. It was like, it was always about how I looked. And so, I was all technique guy, all about diet and building muscle and constantly phasing my workouts and really like trying to maximize that,

I rarely ever would lift to it because I was too much risk for me. It's like yeah, I know if I train the skill of this and I focus more on my output, I could get better possibly and the gains could carry over into my physique, but I was so focused on my physique that I was like, I don't really care about that.

The risk was too high for me at that point. Now, what I have learned with my experience today, I think there's a nice balance. Totally. Like, I do think that I got tremendous value as a pro, starting to strength train and working in the more performance aspect of training that carried over into building a better physique. So that being said, I would say to the average person, just focus on getting stronger. Now, you don't need to be a competitive lifter. You don't even need to just focus on the big three lifts.

But just getting stronger, you're gonna get a great deal of both. I think when it starts to become more important to focus where you're gonna go, whatever, is once you start to get advanced, once the weight really starts to get heavy, you know, okay, now I'm squatting 300 pounds, should I push to get

to 400 or should I slow my reps down and contract and squeeze and just focus on developing a better body. That becomes more of an important debate. But if you're new or intermediate, just get stronger. You're going to get more out of that than almost anything else. Building a strong foundational base will give you so many more options to build off of from there. Totally. Next question is from Nom Nom Pastrami. For people with a lot of muscle already, how can they lose body fat without tracking calories?

Without tracking calories. All right, here's a deal. And I've worked with, I'd say many of the clients, if not most of them, I would work with, we would not count calories for the most part. Did he say a lot of body fat or a lot of muscle? A lot of muscle.

In other words, I try to say, I already have a lot of muscle, so my metabolism's fast. I think they're probably alluding to what we always talk about, which is building metabolism type of deal, which that's always part of the strategy. But what I was going is, look for things that encourage behaviors that lead

to a leaner body or physique. So here's the easiest one. This one's super easy. If your diet includes processed foods like most people, I mean if you're the average American 70, 80% of your diet is processed foods. But even if your diet is 30% processed foods, if you just cut out the processed food without counting calories, you're probably gonna eat less and get leaner. It requires you to count nothing except for, I'm not eating things that come in boxes or wrappers or whatever.

It just leads to a behavior where you eat more appropriately. That single thing right there is the most effective single step I've ever done with any client for weight loss. That doesn't include anything. I don't know, there's a lot of things that you can do to start to lose body fat without tracking calories. I think becoming more present when you're eating, I've talked about that before,

where you just don't eat in front of the TV or the phone. You'd be amazed by your food. Yeah, or chewing more, right? We focus actually on the chewing process. Like a lot of people throw something in their mouth, bite it a couple of times and swallow it. Like there was a book that came out one time was a fat loss book and it was like something around

like chewing your food 50 times or something. Like it would result in all these people losing weight. So there's lots of strategy. They're just getting smaller portion sizes, skipping one meal in the day. There's a lot of things that you can do that doesn't require tracking calories, but changing your behaviors that will result in fat loss, or avoiding a lot of empty calories. Candy, you alcohol, you can get rid of a lot of that stuff and

get that same result. To that point, I just wrote a study. It was just over the diners in America that did some study where basically they switched out the size of their fork to a smaller fork and people ate way smaller portions as a result of that. The most simple thing you could do, but you felt like you gained more from the smaller fork and so it would just naturally you thought you were satisfied.

Well, and honestly, somebody that's I was questioning what they were asking in this, because if you've got a lot of muscle mass, I'm assuming that you're alluding to you have a pretty fast metabolism then too. So it's pretty easy for this person. If they get a roaring metabolism, they want to lose body fat and they don't feel

like tracking calories, make a few good decisions. In my opinion, behavior modification through the stuff that we're talking about, will lead to a pretty good healthy lean physique. It will not lead to a shredded physique. Yeah, not competitive. Now, if you're trying to get shredded, you're gonna have to count and measure things.

And if you want to get lean and healthy, and you know, whereas most people will look at you and say, wow, that person looks pretty good, for the most part, you don't need to count calories. Now, I'm not saying there's no value in understanding how many calories are in foods and what macros. I think there's value in that and people should learn that. But you can, most people can get very fit and relatively lean

without ever really having to count calories. The problem with that is that just most people are so unaware. That's the problem. I mean, there's plenty of studies that support that too that show that, like I think, is's plenty of studies that support that too that show that like I think is 90% of people underestimate their calorie intake and the ones that think they know. I mean, and I find this all the time with myself like, I'm probably around 2,800, you know, and I guesstimate. I'm never on. You know, and I'm pretty damn good at that. I've been doing that

for a really long time. So especially with health foods too, like people eat salads and you know, and they don't even realize it's like 1,300 calories that they just consume. I mean, I brought that up a long time ago. I'll never forget the first time that I actually weighed out and measured a sweet potato. Because sweet potatoes aren't really high in calories. And when you look at all the apps or the books

that break down the nutrient in it, it's relatively very healthy, low calorie type of food, but they grow in very different sizes. And when they say like a small, medium, or regular, or large in the book, it's very different than a lot of times what you get at a grocery store. Yeah, it's trying to average it out.

Yeah, and what you can find is it could be, I mean, we're not gonna- Bro, they're gigantic. Yeah, I found I was like 300 calories off on one. You know, so that's it. I remember I found, I was like, 300 calories off on one. You know, so that's it. I remember I did that with chicken breasts and it said, you know, six ounces and I'm like, oh, medium or small chicken breasts.

And I put, and like, this is, like, where did they get this from? A dinosaur? They're from bananas? Yeah. What medium banana? A medium banana is like that big. Like, where do you find that size of a man?

Yeah, they don't make it. And you would think that's a small banana. Yeah, I would think that's a tiny banana end. I think that's a tiny banana. Yeah, so that's the thing, and here's the thing too, like when people ask questions like this, if you're trying to get to that destination, so you have a goal in mind, right? Nothing will be faster than tracking too,

because you'll be more precise. The way we're talking about is more long term, and what's healthier long term as far as your relationship with exercise and food by doing that. By doing what you're saying, by addressing all the behavior things, this is a great way for a long, healthy lifestyle and good relationship.

You also have to look at it as work. So if you are disciplined with your exercise, why wouldn't you apply that same discipline towards learning specifically about tracking calories? And so you know, like that way you have something that you can then go off course with. And a lot of people have no idea. Like they know from what they hear in media.

So for example, I'll have a family member that's like, oh yeah, oh, beans are really high in protein. So is peanuts. Like not really, I mean, they're high for a plant source. But do you know how many peanuts you'd have to eat to equal the same amount of protein to find it's six ounces of chicken, or how many beans? Like, oh, but it says high protein.

You know, when I look at it, it's about six grams. Six grams, that's high protein for a plant, but in comparison to other sources, it's not high protein. Well, and back to a Justin point, because I think it's a very good valid point. I mean, I feel the same way about exercise. You could, I mean, the ultimate goal of both exercise or training, right? And nutrition is to get intuitive

training and intuitive eating. I mean, that's, yeah, we don't want to get there. That's the pinnacle in my opinion, is to get to a place where you know your body well enough, you know exercise well enough or programming well enough that you can always maintain a very fit, healthy physique forever off a field. Yeah, off a field, right? And knowing, right? And even if you're outside those boundaries, you know you're outside those boundaries.

And the same thing goes for nutrition, like that you have the ability to feel, oh, I'm eating where I about where I should be. Even if you are sometimes outside the boundaries, I'm aware, you know, I'm aware I'm eating this ice cream and I'm going beyond or outside of what I probably should be doing, but you're aware of that. And personally, I just think that most people need to track both those things to figure that out or learn both. They need a guideline first before they go.

Yeah, learn how to run. What is it crawl before you walk? I crawl before you walk. Next question is from Andrew Shimmel. What is all this hype around sarms? Sarms keeps coming up, dude. Can I tell you guys something? Can't believe this one.

So I did, I was doing a little research because there's a lot more sarms that are out than when I first read about them. And so I went on Google, did a little research, go back to Facebook and I'm getting ads like crazy from companies on Facebook. There's so many of these companies selling, and then just buy them online pretty easily. Very easily. Now, here's a funny thing.

Back when I really started reading them and Sarms started becoming out, by the way, appreciate your patience. I'll get into what, you know, Sarms are, what I think about them. What's crazy when I first started researching them, so charms exist in this gray market. They're not legal for human consumption or for sale for human consumption. They're currently considered research chemicals, which means you can buy them for research.

Anybody can buy them for research. So it's like this gray market area. Now in the past, when you bought a charm, it would come in a liquid form, it would have a dropper, a measurement, so it looked like a research chemical. There's something that's capsules and bottles that look like bodybuilding stuff, I don't even fucking know. They're not even trying. No, it's crazy. Okay, so what are SARMs? Alright, so SARMs, SARM stands for selective Androgen Receptor Modulator. Okay, so what are Androgen Receptors? These are the

receptors that testosterone attaches to. Tostost So what are Androgen receptors? These are the receptors that testosterone attaches to. testosterone is an Androgen and anabolic hormone. Now why they developed sores was they were trying to develop a drug that would be able to target specific tissues of the body but not affect other. So if you take testosterone your muscles will get affected your bones will get get affected, you'll build more muscle, you'll build more bone, but your whole body has,

there's endogenous receptors all over. You might get oily or skin. If you're a woman, you'll get masculineization, you might grow facial hair, you might grow a small penis, no joke, the clitoris grows. All these, yeah, all these, and I have seen them, by the way, it's weird. All these symptoms that you'll get all over,

so it's like, okay, we want to get the benefits of the anabolic benefits of testosterone, but we don't want any of these other potential side effects or whatever. So what they did is they created chemicals that are pretty selective with how they attach to these androgen receptors. And the promises that you take them,

and you build muscle, so if you've got like muscle wasting disease, your cancer, AIDS, osteoporosis, but you're not getting effects like testosterone. The other effects like testosterone. So that's the promise. Now of course athletes get their hands on it, like, oh cool, I can take this and get effects like steroids,

and it's not illegal, but it's not legal, but it's okay, I can buy it online. Here's the problem with storms. They are new, they're experimental. Most of them aren't even in animal trials, a human trial, some of them are just in animal trials. The ones that are in human trials are not, it's still anywhere close to getting approved.

So you are literally experimenting on yourself with drugs that you're buying from people who I don't you don't know if they're putting it in there or they're not putting it in there what the deal is. Now I've heard a lot of athletes and you know because it was it was attractive because it wasn't necessarily steroids but they thought that there might be a way around that maybe in through testing I don't know what they're thinking. Oh they can test forms, isn't it? Okay, so now they can test for them, but I didn't hear about it being that big in the bodybuilding community, or is that not?

No, no, no. Bodybuilders using, right. So they're already using like all the real stuff. If you talk to a bodybuilder about this, they think it's stupid. Yeah, because they think, or I agree with this statement is that we have more research. Oh my God, we know what testosterone is.

The truth is the only reason why this is even a popular conversation. is that we have more research. Oh my God, we know what testosterone and steroids is. The only reason why this is even a popular conversation. And I totally remember being this boy, you know, this is hitting the 17 to 25 year old market like. Oh, I would fall for this. Yeah, 100% I would too. Because they've done such a good job stigmatizing steroids.

And it's got such a bad name for itself. And it's like needle and it's like, well, not natural. Right, I'm taking storms. Right. So, you know, this is over the counter some more. You can get to claim your natural. You don't have to go to the black market.

You don't got to inject a needle into yourself. Right, it's oral. Right, and so you as a teenage boy who is curious about these things, I would probably feel like this is me dipping my toe in the water without going full steroids. Now, Sarm's work, they build muscle. They definitely have anabolic effects in the body. So they do work.

I wouldn't fuck with it. We just don't know a lot about them because they're new chemicals. So it's like you're playing a game. You don't know what the deal is. In fact, recently, I just talked to Ben Greenfield actually the other day about him. He was all pro-sarm for a while He's you know what to be honest with you now

We're noticing that there may be some cancer pathways that could be activated from this. I mean, we don't we don't know a lot because They're new, you know, you know crossfit athletes were getting busted with some right left and right because they were getting tested for steroids But they're like oh, we could do this. So, I wasn't that girl that got busted and she said, she'll make it out with whoever. Yeah, I was like, his lotion that got under something. Yeah, and there's female athletes are using so arms because they're being told it's not gonna have

any masculineizing effects on the body, but there's so many of them that are out there now. It's wild, like some build more mass and some are better for bone, whatever. And I'm doing all this reading. Like, and here's a shitty part, right? This is crazy. And I'm just going to warn everybody, if you try to do research on storms, here's how these

internet marketers are. And they're smart. It's sleazy, but it's smart. They'll write blogs and articles pretending to be scientific reviews of the storms. But but in reality what they're doing is they're trying to populate the front page, the first page of Google. Yeah, when you start. When you go, first page of Google, SARMS reviews, it's all written by these SARMS, you know, guys are selling it.

Right, right. And they're pretending to be so like, oh, wow, you know, it says here there's no risks at all. Yeah. And they're very safe. And the study say that they're really good. And wow, look, this company's got like certification showing that it's pure, whatever.

No, man, I wouldn't mess with that. I mean, if you experiment with your body, it's fine. It's your body. Yeah, but I just, so I mean, in that case, if you're gonna go that far, I just feel like you may as well dip into the testosterone world. I just, if you're gonna say, it's definitely, we know what it does.

I mean, I want to make this clear. I'm not promoting that to anybody, right? I'm not definitely, especially 17 to 25 year old boys that you should go out and try and yes, but if I was to go be, if I was talking to 17 year old me who easily would have been, you know, persuaded by this, uh, Sarbs, right? If I could go back and talk to him, I would just say, yo, bro, if you're going to, if you're going to dabble in this world, you may as well. If it's either that or steroids, it takes steroids and do them right.

You know, because there is a lot of research around that and we know so much more of the effects. And a lot of things that you talk about, like, masculizing and some of the potential side effects of that, those all those increase with the higher and higher doses of that. They do. And it's usually for women that have an issue with that.

The guys who take antibiotics, if they take testosterone, they probably like the masculinizing aggression, the confidence that, you know, that kind of feeling that you get from it. Here's the truth. testosterone is an extra for men. It's an extremely safe hormone. It's one of the safest hormones. You can give a man, you know, thousands of times more testosterone. He might get some symptoms and stuff, but it's not going to kill him like insulin would do, you know, insulin would kill you right away, or, you know, other hormones. But, Sarm's ads, it's crazy though. I'm looking at these ads, I'm really dug deep.

I'm reading and I'm like, man, if I was a kid, and I'm the research, even as a kid, I was a researcher, right? I love the research thing. I would have got sold, I would have read five articles, oh, all of them say that there's no harmful, you know, issues and the rat studies show that there's no toxicity. And it doesn't suppress your testosterone.

It does. You take serums. You will also affect your natural testosterone level. So some people are like, well, I don't want to take steroids because it'll lower my testosterone. Same thing with serums. That'll still happen. But yeah, I would have fallen for it. I totally would have fallen for it. Yeah, me too. User beware. Next question is from Nurse Buckmaster. What are good guidelines for someone who wants to compete in a fitness show? This is your real house. Well, I think this is a hard one too because

to be honest with you, I think that a lot of people that get into competing, get into it for the wrong reasons. Yeah, I remember you would always I remember you would often talk people out of it. Yeah, a lot of times. Because I would get these people, it's become very popular since Instagram. I mean, it's become the new marathon. How are they doing without, you know, are they still doing shows and everything?

I believe competitions are going on. Yeah, I don't know how they're doing it, but I believe they're still happening. I'm not, you know me, I don't really follow that way. I don't know, you're here as close as I am. I know, I know people look to me to ask, and then I get questions around like people that are, I'm like, I don't follow anybody who's competing right now.

You know what would be a good question for you Adam, is because I wanna get into what to do, but I think this would be a good question. What was your criteria for someone that you would then say, okay, you can compete? What would you add? What would you look for? I think you have to have one a really good base knowledge of exercise, right? So training, like you should have like an idea of like the importance of programming

and how you would phase it and things like that. Like basic, you don't need to be like a PhD or have a lot of experience. So you should have some understanding of exercise and form and technique too, right? Because you're gonna go into this pushing the body to its limits in a lot of areas and training being one of those areas.

And you shouldn't be pushing and stretching it if you're still really learning the mechanics of a lot of fundamental movement. So I think you should have a really good solid base of training. And then you, I think you have to have a really good knowledge and understanding of both nutrition and your metabolism. And that's what I saw. And I'm speaking more, it's both sexes, but I was speaking more to, I told more women's

bikini girls know that I did men's physique men. And that's because in the women's competing community, a lot of these girls were a very low calorie going into this idea in the first place. Like I talked about a good girlfriend of mine who I wouldn't let her compete for over a year of getting coaching from me before I would let her compete. And then she went in and did it without me.

And then she got, she was, she was fatter on stage than what she was before. Body fat person. She lost muscle. And it just, it boggled her mind. Even though she looked better to her, right? Because she, she got smaller and her weight came down. But it was exactly what I was trying to explain. I said, the reason why you did this is because you weren't in a healthy place metabolism wise going into this. Now, you need room to go down. Yeah.

And most, most, especially girls that are interested. And by the way, there are guys in this category too, but I did speak to way more girls to have this conversation than guys. If you're in a place already and you exercise and train and try and lose body fat or build muscle and you're only eating 1300 to 1800 calories. That's a pretty low place to be already and then and knowing that you're nowhere ready for stage, you know, your stage body fat percentage, you're just not, and what, and unfortunately, we're in this time where these coaches that are hustling online are trying to make money, and they'll take everybody, anybody, now I wasn't in that place, we had Mind Pomp,

I've do another things, I didn't need the money, and so when I saw somebody like this, I said, would say no, like I won't coach you for a show at, you know, 1500 calories right now, and you're telling me you wanna do a show in 12 weeks and you wanna make it you ready. I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna destroy your metabolism, trying to get you there.

And I would be, now what about their body image and their relationship with food and themselves? Like, second imagine, the pressure of getting judged by your body and how you look and constantly focusing on how you look, if you're not secure with yourself, well, that could do a number on it.

Well, the truth is though, that's also, I mean, most of the ones that are the best of the best in that space are extremely insecure about their bodies. And that insecurity is what drove them to be competitive and to be consistent. It's because they have deep insecurities of being teased for looking at certain way or being fat or whatever it might have been that drove them into fitness and they just happen to have another level of discipline in the average person and that's what led them into competing. I mean, I would like

to talk all those people out of it, but the reality is most of us have some sort of insecurities that we're still battling when it comes that. And I guess before you get in, you need to be very aware of your own insecurities. So I think that I've tackled most of my own, but I'm still aware of that, right? Like you competed as like a good as an adult. Like you were 30 years of for a while. It was already 30 something years old. I've been already a trainer for over 10 years. Like, so I had a lot of experience already with body image issues and relationship with food and exercise, my own issues that I had that drove me

to taking anabolic steroids and trying to be a bigger guy and all that stuff. So I don't really work through all that. And when I got into competing, I'd never even had a desire to really do it. It was really just to build a business. It was really to gain authority because unfortunately we're in a very superficial world

and we're in the probably one of the most superficial businesses that people want to see that you can do that yourself and show, so I wanted to do it with no coach and no team and prove that I could do this. And I also wanted to show that I could do it as healthy as I could until I had to cross that line. So I was like, what, too? I remember the show you did when we were all

working together at first. I think it was like a few weeks out. And you said, okay, now I'm gonna get into the state, the unhealthy part of it. Yeah, the sport of it. That's right. I would tell the audience, like, because I would document and talk to my Instagram

and YouTube, I was just going through it. And I would let the audience, because I would document and talk to my Instagram and YouTube is is going through it. And I would let the audience know that, okay, everything I've done up to this point has been pretty healthy, relatively healthy. The way I have slowly reduced body fat and slowly reduced calories, I was still in a very, I mean, I got ready for every show and never dropped calories lower than 2,500 calories.

They're a pretty decent place to be. Especially for somebody who's trying to get... That's at the very end. Yeah, it's very in. The peak goes in the 4,000, right? It's pretty manageable. Right, so I would tell them that. So from a, and I wasn't doing excessive cardio,

I was just stepping to get more movement and changing my programming to see the consistent results. But then they were get to a point when you get to that final two weeks. And I'm trying to shred every last ounce. That's when you pull all those crazy things out. That's where I would do two hours of cardio. That's where I would count calories

in a dangerously low place to be and manipulating water and sodium. And I'm playing with all these things to achieve this look. That's not health. It's not a representation of health. It's what looks great on stage and tanned up and on the lights and on covers of magazines and I would be very

transparent with my audience and say, hey, I'm now entering, I'm now cross this this line of this is no longer healthy. I'm gonna push my body to the extreme limits to try and present my physique the craziest I could present. So would you say the first step then is for somebody who wants to compete is are you is your metabolism in a in a good place? Are you eating a good amount of calories and you're already relatively lean? I would imagine that, right?

Yeah. I know this, and the reason why I said earlier that they're treating it like marathons, when I, back in the day as a trainer, a lot of times people would sign up for marathons as a way to get in shape. They didn't work out, they didn't do anything. Like, I wanna get in shape.

You know, it'll help me motivate me if I sign up for a marathon. People are doing that with shows. Yeah, that's what I would get that a lot. I would get a girlfriend that would say, hey, me and my girlfriend, we have a competition to see you get in the best shape and we were gonna do this show

that's coming up in three or four months. Would you help us get ready for it, die for it. And then I'd like start asking their experience and what they've been currently doing and how many cow, and then it's like no clue. No clue of how many cow. Oh, you get on stage. Yeah, but like you said,

it's become so trendy and popular to do these. That everyone's like, oh, this is a great way to get myself in the best shape of my life. Worst way. I know. And the truth is, you do exactly what my friend did, where she went on her own and she thought she got in the best shape of her life

because she was the smallest she'd ever been. She knew she'd dieted harder than she'd ever had in her life and she got up on stage, she did it, it was proud of herself. And I had her dunk, but I wouldn't let her see it till after the show because I knew it would have just fucking discouraged her completely, it would have ruined the way she presented herself

up on stage. And afterwards, shoulder and shoulder that her body fat percentage, although she was down, I think she was almost 30 pounds, her down 28, 30 pounds, her body fat percentage went up. And even psychologically, she thought she was in better shape. I was like, no, you're in weightware shape. Your metabolism is now slower than it's ever been and your higher body fat percentage.

Even though you have 30 pounds of weight off the scale off you, that is really hard for people to make that right. It was hard for her and she's looking at it. Like she's looking at me, I don't understand. All the coaching and talking leading up to that from, you know, from me, still didn't totally keep. For me personally, I never competed

and I worked a little bit with some competitors. I didn't do pre-contests, you know, competition, nutrition, and training. I just always stayed out of that. But I did know a lot of people that competed. And I don't know a single person that made it out of that space without some issues that they developed. Really? I don't know a single person, because you're so focused on how you, focusing on just your

appearance anyway, can cause issues, but when you have a competition and you know you're gonna display yourself, and not only that, but you get critiqued on how you look, oh, you're a little soft. You're a little pain, handle that. Yeah, oh, your muscle's not big enough here, oh, your glutes don't look.

It's not good for you to focus on that so much. It really can develop a very bad relationship with exercise. Now that being said, it really can develop a very bad relationship with exercise. Now that being said, okay, I also think it was one of the greatest times in my life. I also think that it has attributed to some of the greatest knowledge gains as being a coach, the perspective it gave me to take it to that level.

I had a blast doing it. It was very, very cool to see what my body was capable to push those limits and those boundaries. So I see there is a lot of positive, but I also think that, and I love this question because I do think there's a lot of prerequisites. I do think that you should be in that place. I know I'm not alone.

I'm not the only person that was self-aware by 30 and trained for a while and had a good diet. I mean, if you have a healthy metabolism and you know you do, you know you're eating a good amount of calories, right? So you know you have a healthy metabolism, you've been training long enough to understand programming or you're gonna hire a coach to do that for you. And you have a good relationship with body,

knowing that this is not a representation of me and who I am. It's just my physique that I'm manipulating and you can remove yourself from that and you don't get wrapped up in that identity. If you can do those things, fucking, hey, I think it's awesome. I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, those are some big things though.

They are, those are big, those are big things that tackle and I, and it's, and I'm not a lot of people are aware enough to even know if they are in that place. But yeah, if you are and you are and you do feel confident in that, man, I think competing is a blast and I think you can do it and completely step out of it and remove yourself. I mean, I had no problem. I couldn't wait to walk away from it. I know.

I was there when you did. Oh, yeah. Look, if you like MindPumps information, if you like our content, you gotta go check out mind pump free.com. We have a lot of guides, a lot of written content and information that can help you build more muscle, burn more body fat. We even have content for personal trainers.

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