Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1524: How to Eat to Build Muscle Without Putting on Fat, Ways to Maintain Muscle Mass When Training for Performance, How to Reduce Unwanted Thigh Size & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode we answered live questions from listeners. They called in, we got to coach them live, so it's a great episode. But the way we open the episodes with an intro portion,

Starting point is 00:00:27 this is where we talk about current events, we're bringing up scientific studies, we mentioned our sponsor. We use buzzer. It's a good time. So here's a rundown of today's entire podcast. By the way, the intro was 43 minutes long, then we got into the questions. We open up by talking about homeless entrepreneurs.

Starting point is 00:00:42 We've got a few of them around us here, and it's kind of cool. Kind of cool, you of cool, see that. Then we talk about smells like teen spirit, the famous song from Nirvana. This is gonna blow your mind. Blow your mind. One more thing that'll blow your mind, banana peels, do they make cars spin out?

Starting point is 00:00:57 We examine the science. Then we talk about the downsides of fame. Then we talk about superhero and monster movies. That was a fun conversation, Justin. I loved it, everybody else got uncomfortable. Then we talked about my friend Lenny. That's another great story. Then we talked about the benefits of moving slow,

Starting point is 00:01:14 Adam's new garage gym, which is equipped with PRX. By the way, PRX makes the best home gym equipment you'll find anywhere. Hands down. It's sturdy, so it's commercial grade, and it folds into the wall so that you can park your car in the garage, or you're not taking up a ton of space. Go check them out and get 5% off

Starting point is 00:01:31 with the Mind Pump discount. Go to PRXPerformance.com forward slash Mind Pump, and then use the code Mind Pump for 5% off. And then we talk about our kids and give a little update on what's going on with them. Then we got into the questions. The first live question was from William from New Mexico. Wanted to know how to train to get better at the fire service.

Starting point is 00:01:53 He's a firefighter. So that's really cool. Then we talked to Whitney from Canada. This person wants to know how she should work out with her husband. She's got a lot of experience. She's got very little experience with exercise. Then we talked to Grayden from Canada. This person wants to power lift,

Starting point is 00:02:08 but wants to know if there's any bodybuilding movements he can do to complement his powerlifting. The fourth question was from Treenet from Texas. She's working with an online coach and wants to know if she's doing the right thing. So we're gonna break that down. And then the final question, there's five questions today, is from Lisa from Michigan.

Starting point is 00:02:24 Her legs build really fast, wants to know how she should modify her workouts to create more balance in her body. Also, we are running a huge promotion this month. It's April, summer is around the corner. So we have a huge promotion for one program, which is 50% off and a bundle, which is 50% off. Here they are. The first program that's on sale is Maps and Obolic. Half off, Maps and Obolic, that's our foundational workout program. Or you can get the Shredded Summer Bundle,

Starting point is 00:02:56 which includes multiple programs. You can get that at 50% off. Go check them out, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, and then enter the coupon code, April Special, with no space for the discount. Blah, blah, blah. Have you seen the homeless guy, I need to be politically correct,

Starting point is 00:03:14 what I say last time, I said, bum bum, I said bum bum. Yeah, the home challenge. I think I brought him up on the show before it, I bring him up the, He's free range, is what, Oh yeah. The guy who washes the windows?

Starting point is 00:03:23 Yeah dude, he ends up, he just made it muddy. Yeah yeah, I know you're talking about it. But I'm not giving up on him. Like I- You had him wash your stuff for me. No no, so I saw him, right? He's, he was, I've seen him, like I don't know, every other day or so, he comes by.

Starting point is 00:03:36 And he was walking up and he's got his bucket of stuff and he's walking towards me. And I just washed the vehicles this weekend. So they're clean dude, I just did the windows and everything. So, hey man, what's going on? I say hi to him real quick, because I know he's coming at me to ask. And he comes clean, dude. I just did the windows and everything. So, hey, man, what's going on? I say hi to him real quick, because I know he's coming at me to ask.

Starting point is 00:03:47 And he comes over, hey, you want your windows, what's all, man, I just washed my windows. He goes, hey, how about your tires? I got armor all and I was like, oh, I do need my tires and rims done though. So I got him out there doing the tires and rims right now. You got your rims job? So, Sal.

Starting point is 00:04:02 What's up? He cleaned the rims. What are you talking about? It's just there. It's a underhand pitch it to you. I guess I get that. No, so I, you know, I shall enjoy it. Here's what I, here's what I, I think I may need to do next thing because I don't know, I don't know how I'm going to do this with us because we come in here and we record and so I can't go out afterwards, right? Is I pay him before and I think that's the mistake. I think I should wait until he does it.

Starting point is 00:04:28 So I hope that- What if you do this? What if you say, I'll give you whatever. I'll give you $5 now. And then when I come out, if you do a really good job, I'll give you another $5. So I gave him $10 and said, hey, I do not get a chance to do my rims and tires all the time,

Starting point is 00:04:44 even when I clean my own cars, and I said, you could totally get me on all my vehicles and I will pay you to do it if you do a really good job. You do a really good job. Yeah, I said that, if you do a really good job, I said, I'll have you do this to all my cars all the time. So do a good job, I gave him 10 bucks, and then I actually had Eli give him some bars

Starting point is 00:05:02 and some beef jerky and stuff like that. So, I mean, I'd rather like over, you know, I'd hook them up nice. And then hopefully he does it really. And you know, it's funny, we's not a good window. He's offering a service, which is great. That's where I love it. I love that.

Starting point is 00:05:14 He's trying. And he's not all mentally there. He's off. He's definitely off and so on. But he's the dude that sits there kind of chilling. He's kind of, yeah. You know, he sits there and he's like, his little window washer thing and he's waiting for someone to park. And then you of, yeah. He sits there and he's going to like his little window wash

Starting point is 00:05:25 or thing and he's waiting for someone to park. And then you know, we did, we went to that talk that Arthur Brooks did at that event and he talked about how, you know, dignity is so important. And he says, if you're going to give someone money, you want them to feel dignity. Not like you're just giving them money, but rather, and so his advice was ask them to pray for you,

Starting point is 00:05:43 which I thought was brilliant. Hey, you know, I'm going to give you so many. Would you mind praying for my son? He's got tests or whatever, whatever. And I thought that was absolutely brilliant. So I appreciate, I used to have a guy used to do that to my windows when I had my studio. Yeah, I had a guy, that's what he would do. He was walking around and said, Hey man, would you, if you wash my windows, I'll give you money every week. Love that. And he did every week he came and you took care of my window. Yeah, so I hope he does a good job because I want to, I want to help him out like that. I mean, I would pay someone else to do it.

Starting point is 00:06:07 But you haven't seen the Rams, you haven't seen the Amos. It's going on right now. So we'll see what we do. We'll like that. Maybe I'll throw it on my story and product. Anyway, I'll throw it on my story so people can see. So there's another example, okay, of, remember when we were talking about songs

Starting point is 00:06:19 and like how we kind of get the lyrics wrong and you know, we kind of go through these things. Like you hear something forever and you just, we kind of go through these things. Like you hear something forever and you just have a thought of what it is. And then later on, sometimes your mind's blown because you're like, oh my God, I didn't even like think of it like that, right? So we were listening to smells like teen spirit

Starting point is 00:06:36 in the car, right? Everybody knows a song from Nirvana. The name and the title always like, I had this idea of like, I mean, that's a weird title, you know, smells like teen spirit. And I this idea of like, I mean, that's a weird title. It smells like teen spirit. And I was thinking of like, you know, in the video, everybody's in there in the gym

Starting point is 00:06:50 and there's like sweaty people. And I was just thinking of like, you know, like teen spirit and then Courtney told me, like, well, that's actually a deodorant. Oh yeah. I didn't know that. I remember that. Did you know that?

Starting point is 00:07:02 I remember that. That's a deodorant. In the 90s. Teen spirit was a deodorant. It was a deodorant. I remember that. So it's like named after that. Did you know that? I remember that. That's a deal, right? In the 90s. Teen Spirit was a deodorant. It was a deodorant. I remember that. So it's like named after that. And I'm like, what's that's a name after a deodorant?

Starting point is 00:07:11 You know what I mean? Now did the deodorant come out before or after the song? That's the thing. Oh, it was there, yeah. It was already there. I remember, yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to do it if it was after that. That's so weird.

Starting point is 00:07:21 There's a few commercials I distinctly remember from the 90s. That one and not really. And then Nogagsima. I remember the nagsima girl I do remember not see. Yeah, there. There's a teen spirit anti-persperant deodorant stick. No shit I had no I like I just thought it was some weird reference check the wikipedia on when it when the company started Doug Yeah, let's find this out. Okay, so I'm not that stupid. That's what a great Random I told him it yeah So weird you said that and I just pictured, yeah, right? It's so weird. It's so weird.

Starting point is 00:07:46 You said that and I just pictured the commercial. It was a girl's deodorant. It wasn't one for guys. Yeah, I just didn't, you remember the writing a song. Like, like, you know, I'm just like, when did that happen? When they getting off the bus and like somebody was just like,

Starting point is 00:07:58 oh, yeah. That's a great title for my song. Do you guys have commercials that you remember from way back that just, you can right now play in your head? Do you have have commercials that you remember from way back that just, you can right now play it in your head. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, that's a song.

Starting point is 00:08:08 Like, you know, the commercials that stuck in my head forever are the, the, the Riggley's girls, the double mint. Of course, the double mint girls. Yeah, those, those, I remember that one. Yeah, the, the herbal essence commercials. Oh, yeah. Probably were in my head.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Because they were orgasming. Yeah, and now there's obviously a theme here going with me. They're the, acts of body spray commercials, like the, and the dirty balls commercials. That was a good one. That wasn't that long ago, the dirty balls. Oh, yes it was.

Starting point is 00:08:34 That's 15 years ago now. Yeah, but you are a kid. I loved all the character ones, like, you know, McDonald's where they had the nuggets, where they're like little puppets. And they jump in the barbie sauce. And then he had to avoid the noid for thumbnails. Yes, what happened to the void the noid?

Starting point is 00:08:51 The noid was awesome. I had a shirt. I actually had a shirt with my favorite shirt in fourth grade and it said that on it. Of what the noid. Yeah, and you know, nobody gets that now. I've always wondered where these companies, because I would love to find somebody like this

Starting point is 00:09:02 for our business. Like, just come up with a character. Well, yeah, you know, just the mastermind behind this. Donnie, the dumpster. Who is the like Budweiser, Burger King's brilliant, like there's some brands. What about Spud McKenzie, members of the dog? Yeah, well beer is always crushed.

Starting point is 00:09:19 Like beer is, whoever is in charge of finding the creative people to do the ads. Yeah, yeah. Beer's always been strong. You know what I just remember, I was just, you were telling your story about the guy cleaning your rims. is in charge of finding the creative people to do the ads. Yeah. Beer's always been fun. You know what I just remember? Let's just, you were telling your story about the guy cleaning your rims. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:30 Okay, you guys, this is hilarious. Okay, so way back in the day, people who listened to us way back in the day know what I'm talking about. Some of the first shirts that we sold when Mind Pump first got started, they said zero fucks on them. So it said Mind Pump, and it would say zero fucks. Because we were like, we give zero fucks, we don't care. Anyway, so we had to, like,

Starting point is 00:09:50 we had a whole bunch of these shirts that we made that said zero fucks. We actually wore those to add, when Adam's like shows here in San Zing. We did, we all showed up and like a bunch of assholes. Anyway, we had a bunch of these shirts, we sold some of them, but at some point, we're like, let's get rid of these.

Starting point is 00:10:02 We're not selling them anymore. So we had a box of these shirts, and we threw them in the dumpster here in the back, not thinking anything of them, but at some point we're like, let's get rid of these, we're not selling them anymore. So we had a box of these shirts, and we threw them in the dumpster here in the back. Not thinking anything of it, right? A bunch of zero fuck. Anyway, I come to work. And there's this homeless guy walking around. And we're like, oh my god.

Starting point is 00:10:15 And he's wearing a zero fuck shirt. And he's just like, yeah, zero fuck. I remember when you guys went and let me do my idea that I really wanted to do. Remember I wanted to do? Remember I wanted to go around to, because San Jose does have a lot of homeless people. I wanted to go around to all the people

Starting point is 00:10:31 in the corners that hold the signs. I wanted to give them a shirt and give them a dollar for every push-up they could do. Remember that? I thought that would be brilliant advertising. I think I might be taking wrong now. Yeah, that's what you said. You guys went and let me do it.

Starting point is 00:10:41 I thought it was a great idea. I thought, we'll do it. We go over there, we give them money, we video the whole thing where we're giving them money for all their pushups and we hook them up with a t-shirt. It's too bum-fightish for me. Yeah, yeah. See, I still am not like sold on its own idea.

Starting point is 00:10:54 That was a thing back in the day. That was, yeah, that kind of ruined the whole idea. Yeah, you can't really do that anymore. It's a lot of bum-fighting. Anyway, hey, so here's something crazy. So every once in a while, I run into a video that blows my mind and this blew my mind Right, so we've all played Mario Kart, right? Of course. Yes. In Mario Kart

Starting point is 00:11:10 What happens when you throw the banana peel and a car runs over it? It spins out. Yeah, spin out. It's a turnaround. Right. So this guy He's got like the science channel on YouTube and so he tests out all these things. Yeah, so he tested out the banana peels With the go-kart. That's true. It worked. No, it doesn't. It worked.

Starting point is 00:11:30 No, it doesn't. I swear. One banana peel. On a go-kart or a car? Go-kart. Okay, on a go-kart. He put a bunch of banana peels so that he wouldn't miss it, right? Okay.

Starting point is 00:11:39 And first, he's going around corners without the banana peels. Totally fine. Then he runs over the banana peels and spins out, dude. It's therrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr No, no, there's like a patch of them going around the corner is what it was. Well, obviously you got to ramp it up now and get a bunch of tortoiseshells. And it, yeah, actually, I'm fucking around that for sure. We're fireballed. Yeah, through a turtle shell at some way, while you're driving. I'm enlightening out of nowhere. 100% was it like a TikTok thing?

Starting point is 00:12:18 Or was it? No, I don't know what it was. I just saw it on the internet. But hey, you know, so have you guys ever stepped on a bin appeal? You'll fall. Can't say it. It works. I tested it as a kid because you see in the cartoons, but hey, you know, so have you guys ever stepped on a banana peel? You'll fall. Can't say. It works. I tested it as a kid, because you see in the cartoons, right?

Starting point is 00:12:29 And I'm, oh, is this just gonna work? Right. If you put a peel on the ground, with not the yellow part on the outside, underneath is the white part, put the white part on the ground. If you step on it, you will 100%. That must have been a thing back in the day,

Starting point is 00:12:44 because that was like a reference all over the place especially in cartoons and yeah it really worked. See look. Oh my God. He breaks like the science down on and everything. Yeah. He does. You got dugs at it up on the TV. Are you put is that you I'm watching there? Yeah. You got a fast forward it because he like breaks it all down. Yeah. It's like minute 455. It's like about 20 banana peels in one spot. Yeah, it says, do banana peels really make you slip and it go cart race? Okay. And you guys are gonna see it.

Starting point is 00:13:08 So he hits like a corner pretty hard. So normally he's going around these corners, totally fine. And then he hits the banana peels and look, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, get some little old sideways. See what happens? Every time he goes around and he hits the banana, watch, watch, watch, watch see it works dude I'm always fascinated by the people that like have the time to do

Starting point is 00:13:33 these types of things I mean I'm sure he's got a million I mean that does he I don't know how many I'm always got a hundred it says 112 thousand views yeah he's got to eat some mushrooms really have fun yeah Yeah, you know what, you know what, you say, I feel bigger at work. I mean, it's like, you can experiment. It's experiment. Let's go. I did Mickey Bear. I had on some bricks.

Starting point is 00:13:51 This idea of like making like a viral video and like you're gonna make a bunch of money or go famous or whatever from it is so hilarious. I know. Like it just doesn't, you know when we talked, you know, we were talking trash, you guys were talking trash about the TikTok. I saw it, did you guys see too?

Starting point is 00:14:04 Andrew did like the little carbs protein thing when you were doing your little dance? And of course, I, you know, I knew this was coming, like because we said that, and heard a bunch of feelings. Of course you heard a bunch of feelings. So I got people DM and me like, justifying, well, you know, I know so and so,

Starting point is 00:14:20 and it's not just, you know, stupid dancing there, so a lot of trainers are there, and they get a lot of likes and a lot of views. And I'm like, okay, well, that's exactly what we're talking about is that it gets a lot of likes and views, but does it convert into revenue, which is real the desired outcome of why you are doing all of this.

Starting point is 00:14:36 Unless I just want people to watch it. The answer is no. Well, I think that's, I think sometimes, I think some people are internally conflicted with that a little bit. They may want the popularity part as much or more than the real revenue. Okay, so here's a thing.

Starting point is 00:14:51 Fame without getting deriving any other benefit from it is worthless. In fact, it's all the bad stuff. Fame is bad. It's not cool to be super famous. I mean, you might like it for a month, but then after that, could you imagine never being in it? So we're nowhere to... I'm gonna puck from the reality world.

Starting point is 00:15:08 I'll tell you guys a story. We're obviously nowhere near anything that I call fame, and nowhere near. In some circles, we might, people that might listen to podcasts, but I don't walk around the streets and whatever, it's not a big deal. But one time, I went to a restaurant with Jessica, and we're sitting down, and there was a table of people sitting diagonal and they kept looking over. One of them comes over and they're huge fans, bring some friends over, they take pictures with us and then they go sit down.

Starting point is 00:15:32 We have yet to eat. The rest of the dinner, all I can think about now is these people are watching us and I'm trying to have a private conversation in dinner with my wife. I'm like, I couldn't imagine being someone like a famous select, like the rock. You know how you imagine go to the store,

Starting point is 00:15:45 everybody's gonna get a bodyguard. Well, and we have a bad hair day or something. We say something like, no, we're like, imagine. They'll capture that. Well, imagine, okay, in our podcast, we have shared a personal life and that we've all probably each gone through a rough patch in the last six years

Starting point is 00:16:01 that we've openly shared on. Imagine that if we were that famous, you get people they park outside and that's those are the times when they wanna catch you. They're waiting for a break down. Right, exactly. You're having one of the hardest times you're going through in your life

Starting point is 00:16:14 and the media just can't wait to jump all over it. It's also a picture. You know what it is? Well, the reason why it's all luring is it feels like love. Like we all want love, right, from people. We all want people to like us and love us, but it's fake. It's not real love. So, you know, your friends really love you. These people who watch you, whatever, they say they do, but watch how fast they flip

Starting point is 00:16:33 on you when something, you know, bad happens or something, whatever. Especially when it plays into their favor where they can sell that to somebody or do, you know, something to get notoriety themselves. As much rather be nobody know me, but be extremely successful. You know what I mean? Drive a tow to pick up and people have no idea. Yeah, you know.

Starting point is 00:16:51 I mean, that's way more alluring. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, stupid thing. You guys, have you guys seen that, I guess, the justice, was it the Justice League? The Four Hour movie? Yeah, is it the Zack Snyder cut?

Starting point is 00:17:02 I don't know what it's called, but my brother-in-law, I saw him post. Did he say he liked it? You know what I haven't asked him. I asked him because I was supposed to ask him anyway. So you keep talking right now and I'll ask him. Okay, so here's the thing. So you're good at it. Well, I told you I would do it and I totally didn't do it, right? Just making noises out of your face. Can we share the on-up with the audience? Can we try to say? We're going to share this with the audience. So before we got on here, we had technical difficulties, right? Never happens.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Never happens, never happens, right? And it's, of course, it's Sal's mic is wire. It gets way more mileage, just for all. Exactly. He talks so, he talks so much that his wire, now I think this is like the second or third one that Doug's had to replace. He's burnt out already We're gonna get the sign a better warranty on

Starting point is 00:17:48 A lot of juice goes through this Horsepower anyway, so that so the Justice League I watched the the one that they put out in the movies and it was okay It was disappointing apparently this new cut is like way longer and they developed a characters more and it's got way better rating They're saying it's a different movie essentially. Which is cool, that's super great. Yeah, I'd be interested to check that out. So was it supposed to be like the same plot or is it supposed to be completely different?

Starting point is 00:18:13 It's just way more, I haven't seen it, okay? But apparently it's way more character development. There's way more of the story. Cause the original one was, you can, it felt flat, you could tell you watching it. This is the conundrum, a lot of times like, you know, the director has a certain vision for everything and then, you know, and then the studio comes in

Starting point is 00:18:30 and just interrupts everything or some other executive, like it's her hands all and just metals too much and then it ruins the actual, you know, the movie, the film. And I've seen this happen a few times and they talk about this too, even in the Star Wars franchise because of all the politics and all the agendas you know a lot of these people have now you know in

Starting point is 00:18:50 the executive positions they're meddling too much they're trying to push too many things and inject things within you know storylines and then it ruins the flow of the entire saga. Yeah didn't you say they were doing weren't they doing it with one of the Star Wars? Were they were going to do a different cut? Yeah, George Lucas apparently and Favreau were looking back at like, you know, changing and re-editing some of those those newer ones that came out like nine and 10 and 11. Originally it was more Luke focused

Starting point is 00:19:24 because like he's the cornerstone of that entire series, you know, the Skywalker's. That's what Star Wars is about and they went away from that. And so anyway, the crazy core fans, you know, obviously had a problem with this forever. And so it was just like a disconnect from that. So, Favreau, I don't know if I'm saying right, Favreau. And I want to, yeah. Favreau. Favreau. Yeah, he did the best job in my opinion. He's killing it. And, you know, and it's just sucks

Starting point is 00:19:51 because he's getting a lot of like pushback from the studio and people in positions like Kathleen Kennedy, who's just like snubbing a lot of their ideas because they have way too many agendas. Just let them write good stories. Let them do it. They're killing it. Obviously, leave them alone. Yeah, speaking of movies, are you guys going to watch the King Kong Godzilla movie coming

Starting point is 00:20:11 out? Oh, yeah. So when does that come out? You know what's great? I'm so excited. That's like the only movie out right now, right? Is it out now? I mean, it's coming out.

Starting point is 00:20:19 I'm just saying, like something to look forward to. But like I started to to to prime my kids about this and and and and Everett my youngest is like so into monster movies. So we went through and we watched all the King Kongs. No, we watched all the Godzilla. You watch the old Godzilla or the new ones. Both old ones. Old ones. Old ones. We did old first and then we did the new the new Godzilla was weak. But you know the the King Kongs were great and Kong Island was kind of fun. But you remember that one Pacific Rim? Yes, that was so good, by the way.

Starting point is 00:20:49 It was great. Is that your first time watching? I count that. No, I watched it a long time ago, but I rewashed it with my kids and I was like, oh yeah, this was really well done. I wasn't that good. I was surprised. I watched it a long time ago too. I can't remember what I thought.

Starting point is 00:21:00 For a monster movie, it was fun. Here's the thing. So, and this is what they did really well. Monster movie genre, you know, big a monster movie, it was fun. Here's the thing. And this is what they did really well. Monster movie genre, big monsters or whatever, destroy cities. There's a flavor to them and an energy behind them. And when they get too serious, I think they lose it. There's got to be some fun behind it.

Starting point is 00:21:15 And then what's fun is watching the monsters fight in their different skills and techniques. You know what it is? They got right into it. They got it. I love monster movies. I can sound nerdy. I'm a drop something like that. I know it is, they got right into it. They got it on Nurtier right now. Bro, I love Monster Moose. I can sound Nurtier. I'm a drop something like you guys.

Starting point is 00:21:28 So you remember WandaVision, at the end where, in a spoiler alert for everybody else, but there's one of the aliens comes back and talks to, I forget what the agent's name was, but she turns out to be one of these scroll. Yeah, so yeah. Do you know all about the scroll race? No. So this is something that like apparently

Starting point is 00:21:50 they're like shape-shifting aliens, and in the old comics they come in, and they like basically play the roles of all the Avengers, and like all the, you know, all the, Oh shit. Yeah, and so I'm like, oh shit, because I'm still confused is where they're gonna take this franchise

Starting point is 00:22:05 because after Thanos snapped everybody gone, right? And they're trying to reap, you know, piece together. Yes. This entire crazy universe. Not so we got these scroll aliens that are gonna be like, Inful Trading. I'm hoping that the new Kong Godzilla,

Starting point is 00:22:19 that sounded new. Heart, yeah, I did. Heart's bad. I'm hoping they have that old school monster movie flavor. It was fun. It's fun to watch. Pacific Rim did a good job. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:29 Some of the other ones didn't. By the way, I don't know if you guys need to do this. So the original King Kong versus Godzilla was a big deal, right? Godzilla was the monster of the Asian franchises, right? All the Japanese movies. King Kong was America's monster. We had the famous Kong movie or whatever where he climbs the Eiffel Tower and gets shot by the planes. Did you know that they made two endings for that movie?

Starting point is 00:22:50 I do, I did hear that. So in for the Americans. On for the... Yes, the American audience, King Kong wins. That's the one I watched as a kid. King Kong defeats Godzilla. I did not know. Which is in problem.

Starting point is 00:23:02 That for the Japanese. The Godzilla, come on fire He fucks everything. Yeah, the the Japanese audience got to see Godzilla beat King Kong Which I think was fuck man. I want to see that one so my my apparently very nerdy brother-in-law too Just responded right so his this is word for word is this for sure. It was good It took me three sessions to watch it though I could bring myself to I couldn me three sessions to watch it though. I couldn't bring myself to watch it one sitting.

Starting point is 00:23:28 I'm not a huge fan on Snyder's direction style, but I do think this version was what should have been released. Laugh a loud, you open the gate. I could talk about anything Batman for hours. Here you go. So, okay, let me add you guys a cell phone number so you guys can talk. So, okay, so hold on, here's a deal. There's a couple things in life that you're either one or the other.

Starting point is 00:23:45 I am not man. For example, you're either the who, you either love the who or you're Led Zeppelin. You don't love emeekly, that's just a fact. See, the one or the other. See, I thought it was more, the polarization was more Beatles versus Rolling Stones. That's another one.

Starting point is 00:24:01 It's like, you either love the Beatles more than anything, or you're like, I'm a roller-missaire right now. I am all Beatles. Same. And I am all Led Zeppelin. Yeah, it's like you either love the Beatles more than anything or you like to say right now I am all Beatles same and I'm all Led Zeppelin same same here. That's me So here's the other one. You're either Batman or your Superman. It's one or the other You don't like them equally because they're so opposite from each other right Superman is like the the Superpowered Boy Scout Batman is the dark. I'm sure there's Batman's way cooler. Yeah, Superman. I'm sure there is a psychology reason for that, right? You probably whichever one you most identify with the most is probably who you're drawn

Starting point is 00:24:34 to. So if you think of yourself as more the darker good bad guy, you're going to like Batman more. If you think you're the more clean cut, you know, play by the rules, like, you know, super powered. Yeah, you're Superman. clean cut, play by the rules, like, you know. Super powered. Yeah, you're a super man guy. Are you a super man guy? Super man guy.

Starting point is 00:24:48 I'm gonna have one week now. I like that. Are you a super man or a batman guy? I'm batman all day. Super man, bro. Can I just tell you something right now? Super man would annihilate batman. And while eating a sandwich and reading a book,

Starting point is 00:25:01 that's a matter he's cooler. Try writing good villains around Superman. It's just so lame. You know, like, oh, yeah, I've kryptonite. It's always kryptonite. What else you can do? It's stupid. That's all there is.

Starting point is 00:25:13 Stupid. Although the original. Batman or the Joker Batman, you know, like, takes so many good pictures. I'll say, I agree. I think that part is really cool, but you know, the original Superman movies at the 80s were awesome, except for the one

Starting point is 00:25:24 where Superman, he has to stop the nuke because what's the name, blowing up one of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the ocean. Yeah. So he asked to either fly down to stop the nuke or fly down to save Lois Lane. He can't do both. Lois gets buried under rubble. He gets pissed off. He flies up into space. And then the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life, he spins around the earth and makes the earth rotate backwards. And somehow that takes, goes back to time.

Starting point is 00:26:00 Back to time. Come on, dude. That would cause Earth to explode. That would just spread the earth. Yeah, there's science in there. I thought come off dude. That would cause airfee. There's science in there. I thought Doug was about I think you're gonna chime in right there and shut this nerdy conversation down right here. You just I know you threw him another bone there. I'm gonna change it though for you guys. So for the listeners that are not that that was fun.

Starting point is 00:26:18 I have a couple questions of one I want to I want to get to a kids update on both you guys. It's been a while since we've kind of updated where everybody's at. But first, Sal, you got to address Lenny. Lenny is for the YouTube watch. So people that are watching on YouTube see that Justin has a big guitar behind him.

Starting point is 00:26:35 His Veronica. Oh, yeah, she has a name. Always. Are you never asking any guy? Yeah, the play of the guitar. So Justin has Veronica and Sal has Lenny. What is the story on Lenny? So Lenny is, it's a statue, it's like a chef.

Starting point is 00:26:51 He's got little glasses on kind of chubby cheeks. So I'll tell you the whole, I'll tell you even why he was named Lenny, which is, it's gonna hurt someone's feelings, but whatever. So, so when I got, when I became a general manager, the first club that I managed was Salinas. So they, I'm a 19 year old kid or whatever,

Starting point is 00:27:04 and they sent me down to Salinas to one of their smallest clubs just to test me out. I did real well. So then I got one of the flagship big clubs, which was Sunnyvale. You should tell them to, like Salinas was, like they, you either, they sent you out there either one to kill your career.

Starting point is 00:27:20 Yeah, put you through the fire as a, as a, a new guy, or basically to kill your career. Right, right. And I was a young kid and saw as the youngest general manager at the time in the history of the company and they wanted to test me out. Simultaneously, I crushed over there. I think believe it or not, you want to hear something crazy. So just getting to some numbers. The clubs entire total gross goal when I got there was $60,000,000 for the whole club. We were hitting 120 to 150000, $150,000 at the club. So they put me in Sunnyvale, which Sunnyvale at the time was where the big dogs got developed,

Starting point is 00:27:52 right? So they said, we're going to give you this big club. So I get in there and this is where I met Markucci, our good friend, Markucci, who this guy is... He wore ditsolinas with you? No, no, no. Sunnyvale. Oh, Sunnyvale. So my, so the manager that was there before me

Starting point is 00:28:08 was one of my first mentors, Don, what I've talked about on the show. Don hired Markucci, but splits right after becomes a DM. I get Markucci as this new kid. And this guy is just, he's a character. I don't know how to explain Markucci, but he's a total character. One of the most pure sales people are in your life

Starting point is 00:28:24 and just oozes charisma. He is one of those people that is obnoxiously loud, cocky as shit and you love him. You just love him. That's how I would describe him. Which, that's a rare, right? It's rare. You meet somebody who's loud, obnoxious and cocky.

Starting point is 00:28:37 You don't like him. Right away, you don't like him, but he's not that. No. He has all those attributes, but at the same time, he's so like him. One of the most charismatic people he ever met in your entire life. So anyway, I get there and I'm, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:48 I'm 20 now and Marcucci's 21, may he's a kid too, and he walks in, he's got a suit, audit a briefcase, he's a sales council for memberships. Like, what the fuck is going on? But anyway, I love him right away. He sets up his little office and he brings in the statue. Oh, this is for, I don't know this is for sure.

Starting point is 00:29:05 Marcoo cheese, so he brings it in, so he puts it in there. And so then we become friends, we're crushed with it. Anyway, when I left that club, he gives the statue to me. And the statue was always followed me around. It's followed me around in every club I've run. It followed me around in the studio, the studio that I ran, it was in my house. It's like a good luck charm or whatever.

Starting point is 00:29:25 It's good luck. It's weird because it's a chef, you know? And you just have a frying pan, you know, the frying pan broke, so he's just kind of standing like this or whatever. He's just about to make you meet the board. Now here's why we call him Lenny. So, I'm not gonna say his last name,

Starting point is 00:29:37 but our district manager, when I was in this club, was, his name was Lenny. And he's great guy, love him, but he was overweight. This is overweight district manager for a fitness company, which we always kind of thought was hilarious. And he looks just like this dude. This literally looks like a statue by district manager. So we named him Lenny.

Starting point is 00:29:56 Oh my God. I did not know that. We did have some fat managers. Did you know that? Did you guys know that Bob Brooks passed? I don't know. I don't know. I know. Yeah, I definitely remember. Yeah, Bob Brooks died just the don't know. Just remembers him, but I know you.

Starting point is 00:30:05 I know. Yeah, I definitely remember. Yeah, Bob Brooks died just the other, like maybe a week or two ago. So he was a, a district manager that I have. He'd been in the company forever. I really liked him. He had a very, most of the guys were kind of, you know, very high strong, crazy, aggressive. He had a very, you leave me alone.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah. He did a good job. Very, very chill personality. He said something to me that I leave you alone. Yeah, very chill personality. He said something to me that I've said a bunch of times to this day, so it stuck with me forever. And I was this wild, anxious kid when I was in first getting into management

Starting point is 00:30:35 and leadership and stuff. And this Bob Brooks guy comes in, I'd never met him before and we're talking. And I don't remember what it was that I was all antsy about wanting to get to. And he tells me that he's the one who told me the old bull young bull Oh, I never heard that story in my life before and he gives that analogy to me to get me to kind of calm down and slow down And I coming from your district manager. You're not ready for someone to tell you a story like that and I died forever

Starting point is 00:31:01 I use there's actually so much wisdom There's a story no, there's a ton of it. That's why it's good. It's obviously a bit offensive or much for some whatever. So you know where I first heard that story? The movie colors. You guys remember colors? Sean Penn and I don't remember who else was in it. Was that spikely?

Starting point is 00:31:18 No, it was one of the first gang movies that came out. It was in that? Colors. No shit. Now the cop, the older cop, is played. I can't remember his damn name, Doug. game movies that came out. And it was in that? Colors. No shit. Now the cop, the older cop is played, I can't remember his damn name, Doug, you'll know who it is. He's the, what's his name?

Starting point is 00:31:30 Robert Duval. There you go. So it's Robert Duval's the old cop. Sean Penn is the young cop. Great movie, by the way, if you haven't seen it. And he comes in, and they're part of this game task force. And at the time, in the 90s and the early 90s, this was the peak of gang violence,

Starting point is 00:31:44 especially in Los Angeles. So it's a really, really good movie. And he tells that story to Sean Penn, because Sean is this like, young, like, I'm gonna go in there and fuck everybody up attitude. And Robert DuValls is old, experienced, wise cop. Yeah. So he says the story, which is,

Starting point is 00:31:59 you know, I'll repeat it again on the podcast. There's a young bull and an old bull standing on a hill. And the young bull looks down and sees all these cows. And he says, hey, let's run down there and fuck one of those bulls. Excuse me, fuck one of those cows. And the old bull goes, no, no, no, relax, dude. He goes, let's walk down and fuck them all.

Starting point is 00:32:15 So it's terrible. It's that that's the, and there's, but there's wisdom in that. No, then. Are you updated that story for the 21st century? No, no, no, it is, there is a lot of wisdom in that. It's like slow down and then you can, I mean, she adjusted and I, we were just talking about this off air about being patient with things, right?

Starting point is 00:32:31 We talked about, you know, a lot of people talking about me. No, we were, we were, we were talking about, we were talking about like, we're getting ready to update the studio, right? Which is, it's going to be costly or whatever like that. Justin's got some stuff going on with axon that both things I think that I could say, if you don't mind me saying about you, that he was very anxious to do right away. You know, like hurry up.

Starting point is 00:32:51 Oh yeah, absolutely. It's drove him crazy since day one, the way some of our branding and some of our stuff looks in the way the studio looks and things like that. I've had to be very patient with it. Right. And the truth is, like, it's gonna work out better having waited longer.

Starting point is 00:33:05 And so there, I think there's a lot of wisdom in getting people to relax. You know, slow down, take your time and you get all. Things will work out. Yeah, it's a lesson. It's a constant lesson. I think everybody experiences that in some direction. But yeah, delayed gratification is hard.

Starting point is 00:33:21 You know, it's a hard thing to have that discipline, but it's so rewarding once you get to that place where you start to see it, the fruits of it come to bear. Well, think of all the mistakes you made as a young guy with your training. You just want it, all you want to do is get there faster than you could possibly imagine. And so your idea was, I'm gonna go harder,

Starting point is 00:33:41 I'm gonna add more, I'm gonna do more volume, I'm gonna do as much as I possibly can, because that'll get me there faster. I would have progressed three times as fast, had I been a little bit calmer, more wise, and slowed down. I slowed my own progress down so much because I was that young bull trying to run down the hill or whatever, rather than taking that time, speaking of workouts, you are working out in your garage now, right? So I set up? Yeah, we're set up, so we have it. So I've done two workouts. I've done two workouts in there. I've had it for a little over a week and a half or so that I've had it. Now, when you're garage, you had the PRX squat rack.

Starting point is 00:34:14 You had the racks, you had plates on the walls. Yeah, I don't have quite the setup as we have at a truckier here, but close, you know, I did all the, by the way, I did all the, mine doesn't look as pretty, right? It doesn't have all the colors, but I didn't realize how cheap the all black rubber plates are. I did the same for my house, that's how I set up. Yeah, so the black rubber plates are way cheaper than the cool color ones.

Starting point is 00:34:39 Now for here in our studio, we're on camera. You want to display it. Yeah, I mean, I think it's money well spent for here, whatever, but you know, for home and where I don't have a platform and mats and stuff like that, I'd rather have the rubber plates that we can bounce off the ground. So I got all black. So everything and so it all looks get it looks so you got Bart, you have dumbbells? I have dumbbells. Only up to 50 pounds though right now. Oh, that's for when you go really heavy. Yeah, only up to 50 pounds though right now. Oh, that's for when you go really heavy. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:04 So everything's in some sense. So yeah, we only have up to 50 pounds in the dumbbells. I have a couple kettlebells. I got a the barbell obviously from them, the rack, I got everything obviously to mount too. Like that's it. I wanted it so I can fit all three cars in the garage and the whole setup.

Starting point is 00:35:20 No problem. Well, with the cage up against the wall, plus the weights on the wall, you're literally, I mean, how much would you say the cage up against the wall, plus the weights on the wall, you're literally, I mean, how much would you say the distances off the wall? Not even seven inches. It's an, it's, I wish I had this back in the day. Oh, it's, it is the most brilliant. And here's the thing too, is that it's sturdy as shit. It's, it's, it's a sturdier than a normal case. Yes, it's way sturdier. And it's, the design on it is brilliant.

Starting point is 00:35:45 And I mean, there's a reason why they're, they're con. They have safety bars you could put on the bottom. Yeah. If you wanted to look out on your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got all that stuff. And I've worked out in there twice.

Starting point is 00:35:54 It's still, I stand by the debate that we had that continued on in our forum right afterwards about. Oh, yeah, I actually have something to say about that. Oh, you do. So have you gone through there lately to see what the comments were? Because, okay, so the debate, this was episodes ago. I don't remember how long ago it was,

Starting point is 00:36:09 but the debate was if people are gonna be more consistent working at it home versus going to a gym, Adam said, no, they'll be less consistent because the gym improves consistency because you drive there, it's more serious, it's not just there or whatever. He made a compelling point. I said, home gyms will make you more consistent

Starting point is 00:36:26 because you don't have barriers, right? You don't have to drive anywhere. You don't have to put on any special clothes. Listen to whatever you want. You can work out with your kids next to you. So we had a bit of a debate and then it went on the forum and people in the forum were kind of sounding off with their comments and their opinions.

Starting point is 00:36:40 Have you gone back and looked at all the way out? I have and here and I do have you notice any trends? Yeah, they're leaning your way for sure, but here's what I'll say though about that. There's a very self-selection bias going on in the forum. You have people, first of all, podcast listeners already are typically higher intelligence, motivated to grow and learn, self-discipline is going to be following that category too. You have people that have access to the private forum like we do. A lot of our programs are at home type of programming. So of course a majority of those people are gonna say that, oh I have a lot of success with the at home working out or I'm more consistent with that and because there are those type of people.

Starting point is 00:37:18 I think the majority I still believe. So you think the less serious someone is the more consistent they'll be with a gym? I do. Really? I do, because of the points that I brought up before, is when you drive there and you get there, you're there. Yeah, but you still got to drive. Yeah, but here's the conversation that happens to me.

Starting point is 00:37:38 It just happened, one of the two workouts I had. I believe they've done a study on that. One was a great workout, and one of them was an okay Workout which was fine didn't have to I didn't have to crush it that day But what's really easy to do when your home is to go that's enough That's enough I can always I'll I'll finish up a couple more No, okay, so I fat so here's what I did yes more people were leaning towards what I said I just think it's because I'm right But here's here's the other thing

Starting point is 00:38:06 Just kidding. Here's the thing that I noticed though More it was a majority of women liked the homework out more often. Oh, that's what you were looking for Then the man there were more guys and there were still more guys that liked the homework out And I think you might be right. There's probably is there definitely is a self-selection bias there going on But there were more women that like to work out at home versus at the gym and I have some theories as to why. I think the uncomfortable factor of working out in a gym affects women way more. I'll get behind that.

Starting point is 00:38:34 I'll get behind that. Because there's much more likely to be a person. I would say make the case that more than half, if not a much greater percentage. Well, and juggling schedules, like having to do, being a mom and pick up, like, be all kinds of places at once and to be able to carve out, like a significant amount of time is always a big step.

Starting point is 00:38:54 That's fair, I'll get behind that 100%. Yeah, I definitely think that, yeah, if you asked me to compare moms, right, if moms was the category, which we have a lot of moms in our forum and stuff, I would definitely think that the at-home gym probably serves them the best out of like all the demographics of people that are using the gym or using that home. Yeah, now here's the thing, the female consumer base is the largest, they're the biggest consumer base for all things, for most things fitness. They're like that for most markets.

Starting point is 00:39:19 Most markets women are the, are the, are the largest consumers for most markets. But for fitness, they still are. I know in gyms, if you look at gym memberships, and that includes studios and all that stuff, women are there's a greater percentage. But when you look at home fitness, women dominate. If you count all women's fitness, including videos, DVDs,

Starting point is 00:39:41 different types of exercise equipment, they definitely dominate. But I do think a lot of the time after all that was that's up the big highest selling high-selling product yeah in the fitness category what was it i remember you go we looked at up one day was it was the time after no i know the number like the number makes sense it was something ridiculous it was insane it was pure it's it's such a great example of how effective marketing is a stupidest thing in the

Starting point is 00:40:02 world prior i had in spring everybody's house had thing in the world. It was a fucking padded spring. Everybody's house had a thigh master when I was a kid. Every single person. Now let's transition back over to what I wanted to originally ask you guys, which is family updates. For a while there, we're on the kick of, especially right after your son, doing the dad talk,

Starting point is 00:40:19 and I know I get a lot of people that message that are asking me updates on things. So I wanna get an update on, really, it's where we at right now. I know the only thing we're hearing right now is that you don't sleep, right? So, I'm assuming that's still going on. That's all that's going on.

Starting point is 00:40:32 That's the thing. Nothing, no progress, no nothing. He is just, he's now about four, little more than four and a half months old, and he's very aware, he's a very aware little kid anyway. He's always looking around, if you ever see him, you guys see videos of him, he's kind of staring and watching people.

Starting point is 00:40:49 He's starting to now have a little bit of separation anxiety, so we went over to my aunt's house and you know, other people are holding him and before he couldn't even really care, you could pass him around. But now you can see he's looking at mom and me and then he'll cry a little bit because he wants us. So that's starting to happen.

Starting point is 00:41:03 And I think the next, if I recall correctly, because we have this app and stuff that tells you like all the leaps that they have, the next one is he's gonna start to recognize phrases if they're in a certain context. So like things like don't do that, or okay, it's time for bad, he's gonna start to recognize those things.

Starting point is 00:41:20 That's gonna be fun. Have I ever told you guys what Katrina does for Max with the whole no thing? Have I ever told you guys? If I should have, the whole no thing? Have I ever told you guys? If I said no, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was tearing that with somebody else and like, oh my God, I'm still waiting for when

Starting point is 00:41:31 those words come out for the first time to see how well that ends up like working if he actually does. Well, so here's something that's really cool, right? So my older kids, I have my son's 15, my daughter's 11, they're similar, but they're also different in certain areas. One way that they're different is my son is super touchy feeling, right? So when I was a kid, I was very touchy feeling.

Starting point is 00:41:51 If I was sitting next to someone, I'd have to touch their hand, I'd like to hug a lot, like the kiss, I'm still kind of like that. He's like that. So even now at 15, if I go up and kiss him on the face, he doesn't like fight me and push me off like a normal 15 year old would do. Now my daughter, she's got to be in the mood to be hugged.

Starting point is 00:42:08 If she's not, she'll yell at me and whatever. And I tell, and I listen because I want her to feel very incurable. Which is interesting, you would think it would be the opposite. Right, now if she's in the mood, she'll come sit on my lap or she'll hug me, but it's got to be on her terms, which is totally fine. I want her to feel like she owns her body or whatever,

Starting point is 00:42:24 but she's not, at least not in comparison to my son. She's like a cat. Much yes, exactly. Exactly, cats are like, now here's a deal. My ex-wife was not the touchy-feely one. I was the touchy-feely one, so I could see one took over, you know, took after one and one took after the other.

Starting point is 00:42:39 Now Jessica, very touchy-feely like me. So I'm like, I wonder if Aralius is gonna be like that, right? Super affectionate. Dude, this little baby, okay. So I'm like I wonder for Raelius is gonna be like like that. Super affectionate dude this little baby Okay, if I kiss him on his face and I just I'll literally just leave my keep kissing his cheek He like if he's looking at something he'll close his eyes You can do you make it like Yeah, and then if you stop he like leans his head back and he doesn't know how to kiss

Starting point is 00:43:02 But he he opens his mouth and he just like puts it on my face You know like he's tried to kiss. Oh, man it melts me absolutely melt me. I love it So I have the first Like moment of like I failed as a dad like I've my first like like and then everybody will tell you and by the way Save the DMs. I don't need everybody to do that. I'm not doing this to get you to, oh, it's okay, don't worry about Adam, whatever. I get those every time I talk about shit like this, right? I get it. It is gonna be okay.

Starting point is 00:43:30 But I had the first, like, fuck, I fucked up. Why did I not think of that or why did I not do that? And I've shared on the podcast and with you guys, many times, like he is just naturally drawn to music, right? So he loves music. He could be totally distracted with something else. I fire music up or put you to country music videos on, he'll drop what he's doing and come over,

Starting point is 00:43:52 sit in my lap just to listen to him. And he dances, you've seen all this stuff, right? So he's all in the music. Not quite into the basketball, like I'd like him to be, but he's in the music, I crazy. Okay. So here I, and we're trying to get the,

Starting point is 00:44:04 encourage the nanny to do more like educational stuff because we're starting to get closer to two years old And we're getting closer to that age where you can start he can really start to pick things up and start to put things together and learn right and I I don't always my cousin my cousin Stephanie who you guys know she was sharing with me the the home schooling program She has and her two she has two younger ones right now and they are like some of the smartest kids I've ever met and she attributes it to the home schooling program and one of the things that they do is they teach through song. So these and they teach history and economics and they teach everything through science behind it. Yeah, through song and and what they do is every year, they build on it.

Starting point is 00:44:47 So, you know, the kids, and she goes, it's amazing. We'll be watching some documentary and some, you know, somebody who I don't even know who they are, the kids will rattle off when they were born, when they died, what they were famous for, all, like just, like all this stuff, and it's all from these songs.

Starting point is 00:45:02 And where I was like, why did I not piece that together? Now I read to Max every single night. Consistently, I've never missed a night since he was born and very proud that we've been good about that. Yet, I don't sing to him really. Not really. That's probably not a bad thing to you.

Starting point is 00:45:17 I don't know if you've ever heard of that. So I didn't even, and just like maybe a week and a half, two weeks ago, or whenever I had this information, whenever she told me this, like the light ball went off and right away I started like, you know, singing the ABCs, you know, and like with rhythm to them. Already he's like, he picks up the beat, he wants to do it with me, you can see him trying to.

Starting point is 00:45:41 Oh, that's brilliant. I'm like, oh my God, where was it? Why was I not thinking of that earlier because of how quick he was drawn to music, I should have put, and they tell you that, right? Like, that's the thing, you watch your kids, they're all so unique and so different. And I think the goal as parents is to be aware of those things

Starting point is 00:45:57 and learn to steer them in that, because they like it already. And what did I fuck up by not being on top of that? He's still young, you're still young. I know, I know. But you know what's crazy is that they think that's how humans passed on. Of course.

Starting point is 00:46:11 Information before we wrote things down or knew how to do that. That's why you re-story. Yeah, and you remember things with songs. You remember, you could recite all the lyrics of your favorite song, but if it wasn't a song, you know, a hard-to-beet-a-memorized lyrics. That's why I remember all the stupid jingles

Starting point is 00:46:24 from commercial. It was fucking burned in my brain. Yeah, you know, a hard-to-beat-a-memorize the lyrics. That's why I remember all stupid jingles from commercials. It was fucking burned in my brain. And here's the thing, it makes sense. You like music too on top of that. It makes sense that you remember all those things. And it was like this light bulb went off when she was telling me this about her kids. But that's good news. Now you know.

Starting point is 00:46:42 I know. So I'm already starting to implement. Right away too. You could look this up. I can't remember what they all were off top of my head. But there's like the top 10 teaching songs for kids at that age and everything. So something to look out. I just, so anybody else who's got a kid out there that is drawn to music.

Starting point is 00:46:57 Like again, that's, you know, you double down in that area and pushing that direction. Squats are good for the glutes. Squats. And she's good for the pecs. Oh my god, anatomy in there. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food

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Starting point is 00:47:45 for everything that you do. I mean, you've changed the way that I work out, really changed my life. And a lot of the dudes in my department, I've been a volunteer firefighter for coming on three years now, and I'm finally making a step to apply to a career department, making some good progress in the application process and the whole time they've been talking about,

Starting point is 00:48:03 the style of brolifting isn't to cut it for the rigorous academy. They said, you know, it's going to be more similar to CrossFit style lifts and then obviously, you know, running stairs and push-ups and what not for burpees for additional PT. So I was wondering, if you guys have any suggestions on, you know, what kind of workouts I should be focusing on to get myself prepared I'm currently I do like a hypertrophy and strength cycle you know, I've learned it from you guys of course, but Let's turn the one I'm at now and I just want to see what should I be doing now to prepare to keep myself safe and and be ready to do this A map map strong and he's whooping everybody's ass is doing cross-final

Starting point is 00:48:42 Yeah, map map strong would be a great program for that You know the the best thing you can do is number one, majority of your training should mimic whatever tests they're gonna put you through. So if there's, for example, I know, I've trained firefighters in the past and I know in the past there was like a, one test was to pick up a sandbag or a dummy that weighed,

Starting point is 00:49:04 I don't remember the weight, it was like 150 pounds, I had to carry it over certain things and carry it for sort of... Drag it. Drag it. And so we would do that as part of their training. So the more training you can do that mimics the type of testing and what you're gonna do on the job, the better you're gonna be at those things.

Starting point is 00:49:21 Now on the side, there's definitely value to doing general strengthening exercises to build overall strength. And those are the, you know, those compound lifts that you probably heard us talk about so many times, your dead lifts, your overhead presses, your rows, the zircher squats are excellent for probably what you're going to be doing a lot of, single leg exercises and rotation to prevent you from injuring yourself, but you gotta train in a way that somewhat mimics

Starting point is 00:49:51 what you're doing and then throw in some general strength type exercises. But a majority of what you're gonna do is gonna look like whatever test you're trying to pass. I would definitely, if you don't have MAP strong, we'll hook you up with that. So I would run that pretty much how it's laid out for you. And then what I would do is we have what are called work sessions in those and the work sessions are on the opposite days of

Starting point is 00:50:16 like your foundational days. In those work sessions, I would I would take some of the exercises like Sal saying. So if you can get a hold of a sandbag or get a hold of a dummy or some of the exercises or tests that you'll have to do, I would incorporate them into that work session. But the rest of the program, I'd follow it pretty closely to a team. And I think that it will give you everything. As far as work capacity, upper body strength,

Starting point is 00:50:42 leg core strength, doing things like searcher movements, all that's in there. And I think that's a phenomenal program. Yeah, I think what gets in people's way oftentimes when they're training for something like what you're talking about is either one of two things either they don't fully understand what their training should look like and so they're not able to maximize the performance or they're afraid of losing, you know, bodybuilder type gains. They're like, oh man, if I go off my, you know, my isolation exercises, if I stop training in this, you know, the split or whatever, and I train for

Starting point is 00:51:15 this type of performance, I'm going to lose some of my aesthetics. In a case like that, I, you know, I would say you got to pick, you know, one of the other. It's like, it's like when you play video games and you're building your character, and you got 10 points, but you have to divide it up between stamina and endurance, muscle strength, speed, that kind of stuff. And you put it all in one, you're not gonna be able to contribute to the others.

Starting point is 00:51:36 It's like that, that's kind of how real life is. So those are the two things that'll get in your way, but if you're okay with allowing your body to look the way it's gonna look, to maximize maximize your performance to do your job the best, then train specifically for that. Well, functional training is going to be at the utmost priority. So, yeah, I'll just echo what these guys have said, but really, in terms of like specialization for what you're trying to do, I would really focus in on movement and joint health.

Starting point is 00:52:05 And so making sure that you're always checking yourself and making sure that you have the proper range and mobility and joint support to keep your body healthy because you guys are putting a lot of demand on your body beyond this test and this rigorous thing that you're trying to do, you know, going into that, it's really the sustainability of maintaining that functional strength is everything in a job like that. William, do you know what the test looks like? So as far as the physical test for application goes, I've already passed those. What we're looking at now is an 18 week academy where it's Monday through Friday and it's academics as well as the physical side of it. So the physical side of it, I mean, they're going to go and have you do workouts.

Starting point is 00:52:52 And for when I understand it's kind of like a mix between hit training and some CrossFit style stuff. So it's 18 weeks of what they say is rigorous stuff like that. You do some running. So yeah, I'm definitely concerned about my endurance as well as the mobility like you were saying, my mobility is garbage. So I know I need to work on that. So I, you know.

Starting point is 00:53:17 So do this. We're gonna hook you up with maps strong. So you got that for free. We have the Maps Prime Pro webinar. Literally make it a habit, at least a couple times a week that you just go through that. It's at prime prime pro webinar.com, right? Doug, so go to prime pro webinar.com. I take you through about 50 minutes of mobility, basically from the feet all the way up to the neck. And just follow it.

Starting point is 00:53:44 Follow it. Take it. You know, you could do it in your living room at your house, just making an effort to do that at least two or three times a week in conjunction with map strong. The amount at the first phase of map strong is like 20 reps shit. So you want to talk about building your work capacity and your stamina. You're going to get that right out the gates with phase one of that program. Yeah, what people don't realize, I mean, endurance training, you know, you're going to adapt that right out the gates with Phase I of that program. Yeah, what people don't realize, I mean endurance training, you know, you're going to adapt to that

Starting point is 00:54:07 really quickly. What's going to really weather the storm is, you know, really focusing on your joint health and joint support. And so like Adam said, I really would highly suggest even the entire time through, you know, your testing to really be cognizant of where your joints are and how you can help keep them healthy. Yes, sir. I could be doing something wrong. I could try to go to that website for the webinar. It says this session has expired and it's no longer available. So I'll try it again. I'll get Doug on it right now. Hold on.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Let me get Doug on it right now. That would be a big problem because I've been telling people to go there. It seems to be available still prime pro webinar calm So maybe you need to clear out your cash and If you've tried the login before maybe that's what it's doing. It's going to an old page. I'm not sure. Yeah, so clear out your cash and it should work Okay, and if I if I so I'm a little into the sites that I've been listening to you guys for years and I've wanted to buy one of your programs and I've been a hard time deciding which one to do because I'm a mess.

Starting point is 00:55:10 But would you recommend, because I know for sure I'm worried about my mobility, would you recommend Prime or Prime Pro because I'm a little bit confused on the job. So, we're sending you, we're sending you right now strong for free, so you got that to follow and then follow the free webinar Prime Pro and then that would be the one that I would invest in and by the way when you go through the webinar there's like a 50% off coupon that gets kicked to you afterwards. So go through that, take advantage of the free stuff we're hooking you up with and then if you were to invest into another program that I would get that to compliment what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:55:43 Yes, sir. Well, I really appreciate it guys. I can't tell you much how much this means to me. It's all I want is to be successful in this career field. And like I said at the beginning, you've touched my life. You've touched the life of many dudes at the station. I've turned them on to your podcasts. Like show them the one you did about first responders. You know, and we listen to that whole podcast together

Starting point is 00:56:02 as the group, as well as some of the ones like how to be a winner and whatnot. I mean, you guys just produce phenomenal content and I appreciate it. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you. And thanks for saving lives, huh? Yes. I appreciate it, gentlemen. You have a good one, brother. You too. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's, I can't stress enough the specificity. Specificity. That's hard. I messed it up, bro. Of training.

Starting point is 00:56:29 You know, let's like, if you're, if you want to get good at specific things, train those things that should be the core of your workout, and then the other stuff will supplement it. I think a lot of people make mistakes by, you know, they don't do the specific stuff that applies to what they're trying to accomplish.

Starting point is 00:56:45 They focus too much on general stuff, which you'll get carry over for sure. No, but if you have to, like, let's say you have to jump over a wall, you have to drag a 150 pound dummy. If nothing will get you better at doing those things, then doing those things. Practice them. If you have access to a wall, you have access to a sandbag or a dummy that you can drag, nothing is going to get you better for that test or for whatever they're gonna put you through thin that.

Starting point is 00:57:08 But that being said, map strong is like, the work, I mean, that thing is all work capacity. You're gonna build a big old motor with map strong. Yeah, he's gonna, guarantee if he does that leading up into all this training, he's gonna smoke everybody that's doing crossfit. Our next caller is Whitney from Ontario, Canada. Hey Whitney, how can we help you?

Starting point is 00:57:29 Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. My question is it relates to working out with your spouse. My husband and I, very different backgrounds. I have about 13 years of experience weightlifting, powerlifting, Olympic lifting. I competed and crossed it. Don't come at me for that, for the better part of a decade. And so since then, I haven't really had that much of a structured routine, and my husband definitely has not had one nor has he had the

Starting point is 00:57:59 experience of the Olympic lifting, the powerlifting, that technical stuff. And so I'm wondering which one of your programs would be something that maybe both of us could go through together. And we also work out at home. Help us a little bit more about him. So where would you consider like his fitness level? I know you say he does no weight lifting background.

Starting point is 00:58:19 No, it houses mobility. Yeah, is he how out of shape is he or is he not? Is he relatively fit? I'm not going to let him listen to this. You need to be honest with us so we have a good idea what to recommend. I know, I know, thanks guys. You know who's the strong? No, his mobility is not great.

Starting point is 00:58:36 He travels a lot for work so he's in his vehicle quite a bit and he has lots of he snowboarded competitively previously and has quite a few injuries from that. So it is day to day job, he's fairly active, but there's no definitely no focus on mobility or anything like that, so he definitely needs to improve in that capacity. All right, so here's the challenge. The challenge is going to be finding a routine that is appropriate for him, but you're not going to get bored doing with your background. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, we're not going to be able to satisfy both. So I'm going to recommend the best program for him.

Starting point is 00:59:11 You can follow along and take your time, and then after he follows you go through that program, move to something else. But Maps Starter is where I'd start them off. If his mobility's lacking, he's never worked out. It's the best program to get started with. After maps starter, then move to maps and a ball look. That would be the next pro. Really? See, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:59:32 I mean, of course, we are making assumptions, right? Because he's not. I have to like, I feel like, I feel like, I'm picturing you guys as a couple right now. And you don't look like your typical couch potato type of couple right now. You got X CrossFit fit girl 13 years lifting. He was he did a lot of injuries though.

Starting point is 00:59:48 Yeah, okay. So that so we can address mobility stuff. But I feel like as athletic background as athletic as he was, you know, and I'm sure he's not completely the opposite of mass performance. So I like either maps performance or anabolic with mobility component. And then she can actually do a lot of that with him. Well, if you do maps and a ball, you can definitely start in pre-phase.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And that's where I would start. You know, I would not have him start in phase one. And then, you know, you can have to really watch and see how he does. Because here's my worry is that you're going to start off on barbell squats overhead presses. He lacks the mobility. He's going to potentially injure himself

Starting point is 01:00:26 or start to feel pain. And then you have to back off even more. And then here's a deal. You might lose the momentum of getting him motivated to work out with you. So that's the challenge, right? So that's why I said map starter. I think it's very safe.

Starting point is 01:00:39 He's gonna get gains. He's gonna build muscle on it. He's gonna get stronger on it. Well, there's a lot of stability involved with map starter. Then from there, it's not that hard to move forward with maps and a ball like going too fast too soon. That's going to take more time to come out of then going too slow, going too slow is fine.

Starting point is 01:00:58 There's nothing wrong with going too slow with the routine. So you can do either one without doing an assessment on your husband, you know, it's gonna be hard for us to be more specific. Well, let's do this for her. So I take this is what we'll do. So we'll send you over map starter. We'll see. I have it already.

Starting point is 01:01:15 Oh, okay, okay. I bought it. I had to use it. I used it about two years ago after I had a surgery. Love it. It was a great program. Okay, so there, so okay, you, okay, good. Then that helps us then.

Starting point is 01:01:24 So what do you, do you see your husband? Will he follow something like that? Would he be okay doing that? Is it, do you, I mean? Yeah, yeah, he would definitely. And the thing is like we're not working, I want us to work out like to accomplish a program together, but we're not working out at the same time of day

Starting point is 01:01:39 because our schedules would conflict. And I don't, I don't want to be the coach. Yeah, that's very, that's very why you're the coach. That's very why I agree with that 100% too. So here's another thing that we'll do for him. So if he'll do this, we'll give him access for free to our private forum. So this will allow him to let us be the coaches, right? So he can go in there, he has questions about the program, he's got any sort of aches and pains going on or something doesn't feel right

Starting point is 01:02:09 or he has questions about nutrition. That community is perfect for that. He can go in there anytime of the day, leave a question, tag one of us, we can help him out. So we'll send it, so you already got starters, so you're good there, I'd start with that. And then you guys could probably progress to anabolic relatively quick after you have

Starting point is 01:02:26 access to an metabolic to Whitney. I don't know. And I wanted, I have been listening to you guys for ages now. And I've been curious. I got starter because I needed it. I also got your suspension one. Love that.

Starting point is 01:02:39 And then maps anywhere. Fantastic. But I've never, because I've come from the CrossFit Olympic and Powerlifting background, I've always just focused on performance. So you guys have peaked my interest on sculpting your body essentially.

Starting point is 01:02:53 So that's something I've been curious and trying. Because I've never done that. I just always focused on how much weight I could lift. OK, well, here's another thing. Look, earlier, the audience doesn't know this, but we tried to get on with you. And we had lots of technical difficulties. And you had to wait.

Starting point is 01:03:07 You had to wait for over an hour to get on. So I'm going to give you a map center ball. We're going to throw in Maps and Obolic for free as well. So that'll be the program that you do after a map starter. So after your husband completes map starter, have him start in Maps and Obolic pre-phase. Do pre-phase for about three or four weeks. Then he can move into phase one and then he's going to have a blast doing that. And since you're going, you're, we've peaked your interest in kind of training this way. I for you, I would run anabolic, followed by a stack. Oh, yeah. When you're done with

Starting point is 01:03:37 maps and a ball, so run, run anabolic, follow it to a tee, trust the process. And knowing that here I have to warn you, okay, with your competitive background and your cross fitting, the hardest thing will be the psychological thing and trusting in us that I promise you're gonna, it'll serve you well to drop down to a three-day week full body top of routine, make sure you rest between sets, follow it to a tee,

Starting point is 01:04:01 and then from there, go to aesthetic, and you're gonna love what you see Okay, cool. I love that awesome. Thanks Whitney Thanks so much guys appreciate it. No problem Yeah, that's great um, I like to hear that you know, and here's a thing like to here's a thing that I always consider the most whenever I hear this from a couple is I consider She's probably tried to talk him into working out. Of course, of course. For a long time.

Starting point is 01:04:28 So the number one thing that I think about is let's not, I don't want to create any potential roadblocks, which could be, oh, my hip hurts, my knee hurts, oh, I can't do that lift because my mobility. So I always tend to err on the side of, let's go easier and let him build them momentum and that consistency so that he ends up being consistent long time. Well, it's great that he can follow it on his own time and they're not like there.

Starting point is 01:04:50 I mean, because that is kind of a big discrepancy between the two and then. Oh, yeah. And so it's like, you know, it could be a little bit demoralizing where your body currently stands. And so to be able to like, take your time, you know, ramp your your body back up and get the strength back, I think that's gonna be great for him.

Starting point is 01:05:06 Yeah, don't coach your spouse. No, that's a mistake. That's a mistake. Especially, I mean, she's like a certified badass. So this is, I mean, that's not, no husband's gonna wanna get his ass clean, you know, inside the gym, you know, lifting with his wife, I don't care who you are.

Starting point is 01:05:20 I don't care how the ego kicks in, he'll do some stuff. I don't care who you are, you know what I'm saying? That doesn't feel good. It's way enough to bar what I'm saying? That doesn't feel good for him. It's way enough to bar. Yeah, it doesn't feel good for any man. So yeah, and I agree with you, so I think that, you know, my concern was him being as athletic as he is,

Starting point is 01:05:34 seeing a program that is, you know, stability ball and dumbbells and stuff that he needs to do. You know, if he was my client, I'm with you, I would make him, you know what I'm saying? I would force him if I saw him and say, hey, we need to do this stuff. But I think he can go from starter to end to anabolic and be just fine, especially if he dresses in mobility.

Starting point is 01:05:49 Our next color is Lisa from Michigan. Hey, Lisa, how can we help you? Hey, everyone, how's it going? Good, great. Just okay. Yeah, I guess okay. I guess we're great. Great.

Starting point is 01:06:03 Great. All right. So, first of all, I know everyone says this, but I discuss it too. Love your show. Listen to pretty much everyone about a year now. So my question has to do with Lake Training, lower body workouts. I was introduced to heavy weight lifting. How'd we about five or six years ago? I was a runner, long distances, and someone suggested that I work on building my posterior chain in order to get faster actually. And showed me some exercises, did them, they worked,

Starting point is 01:06:49 and I got faster, and I was hooked. So I ended up following various bodybuilding type programs the years. And something that I have noticed is that my legs grow so fast and so easily. And as a female, I mean, it's not like I'm looking for a side gap or anything, but I struggled to lose body fat in my thighs and then they grow really easily. So I'm looking for some guidance as far as, I mean, how do I change my lower body training? I did purchase a few of your programs because they were on sale and I wanted to get a closer look at them. So I purchased multiple of them. Right now the way I train is I do a lower body, an upper body, and then more of a full-body mat con. So, lower upper are very heavy, traditional weight lifting. And it looks like in your programming,

Starting point is 01:08:14 there's multiple days of heavy legs, well, the various programs that I looked at. And it seems like whenever I've tried to do multiple days of heavy legs over the years, my legs grow. Now, I do own a calipers and a flexible tape measure, so I know for a fact that like my body fat has stayed the same, but my muscle has gotten bigger. Like, that's where the girth is coming from. I don't really feel like doing a ton of cardio is the answer

Starting point is 01:08:48 and leaving out all heavy weight lifting, but just kind of wondering if you could, I don't know, tell me some modifications that I could make to your programs or if you have other ideas. Okay. I got lost ideas. That was a short-winded question. So here's a deal Lisa. We got it, I feel like we got everything. No, this is actually quite... It's very common. So here's what will happen if you follow a maps program. You'll wake up the next day with just way too much muscles. It's really powerful. I'm sure.

Starting point is 01:09:20 That's not going to happen. Okay, so a couple things number one. I question for you. Are you still doing any running? Yes, I Not the longer distances anymore. I do one day of like a sprints basically that's it 30 seconds off 20 minutes done. Okay, okay I like to be able to keep myself in good enough running shape where I can go out and run three to five miles. So I do that maybe once a week. Okay, so okay. So that's not too much, especially compared to what you were probably doing before.

Starting point is 01:09:51 Right, I was training for 25k before. Got it. Okay, so what you're saying is quite common. First off, as a female, you're going to store more body fat in your lower body. Now much you can actually, actually believe it or not, that's a good thing. They show that when women store body fat, mostly in their lower body, they tend to be healthier, they tend to have higher omega-3 fatty acids in their body, they tend to have healthier children. So, that's not a bad thing. It's a very normal, natural good thing, but I know I can hear your frustration, right? You want more balance in your body, you want the upper and lower body to match a little

Starting point is 01:10:23 bit. In that case, I would say this, look, when you do your full body routines, train your upper body first and leave your legs for the end of the workout, that should make a difference. And then number two, reduce the volume of your lower body workouts. You know, a lot of people have one part of their body that tends to respond faster than other parts of their body. That's where the individualization comes from when you change your routine, right?

Starting point is 01:10:49 So if you're a guy and you're working out and your chest just grows real fast, but your arms don't seem to match, then you would put more focus on your arms less on your chest. You can do this with your lower body as well. And you're not gonna gain more body fat in your legs as a result, there's no such,

Starting point is 01:11:07 the spot reduction is a myth. Your body burns body fat from wherever it wants. So I would do less volume. Go ahead. I didn't say anything. Okay, I would do more upper body work, less lower body work, save the lower body work for the end of your workout, and then use your calipers and your tape measure

Starting point is 01:11:28 as a guide points you in the right direction. And then I'll add to that. So I agree, and I think there's nothing wrong too with adding a little bit more endurance running, you know, in this case, like you do that, you definitely will lose more body fat, so you could run a little bit more. You could also do, like if there's one of our programs where it calls for you to, you know, squat twice in the week, you could exchange one of those out for like hip thrust

Starting point is 01:11:57 instead, or do something like lunges or step-ups to a balance, maybe incorporate some stability training in there, or unilateral type of work, instead of all the bilateral strength training. Like, that'll help. This was something I had, I dated a girl that was a competitor. She had a very, she would, her quads were so overdeveloped that we literally would, when we were getting ready for showtime, all she would do is lunges. That's all we did. We wouldn't allow her to do any squats or really, really heavy lifting.

Starting point is 01:12:27 So you can definitely modify the workout like that. There's nothing that says you have to bilateral heavy squat all the time. So if you see an extra, and if you do something like hip thrust instead of doing this on squat day, so follow our program, you see that it calls for, you know, backloaded barbell squats.

Starting point is 01:12:44 And instead you go, do you hip thrust instead? And then your boat will just get bigger. Right, yeah, you build the butt, you build the butt, but then you don't develop the thighs and the quads as much, right? Well, this is the conundrum we've always been in with even writing a program because, you know, there's general attributes that we're trying to put out there

Starting point is 01:13:02 and hope that most people will respond to. But like in this case, there are opportunities to add these modifications, adjust things, reduce some volume where you see where your growth is really rapid. And that's something too, I experienced this with a couple of clients who their traps grew a little too pronounced.

Starting point is 01:13:21 And so it's like, there's certain things individually that you can modify and adjust and tweak. And so it's good to you know, there's certain things individually that you can modify and adjust and tweak. And so it's good to have communication. And that's why we also have a forum where a lot of this discussion happens. Also keep in mind too, that we don't, or I wouldn't recommend completely eliminating like leg stuff just because leaning it for leaning out purposes,

Starting point is 01:13:40 that's a huge advantage for you, right? So you burn the most calories doing leg exercises. Most of our muscle is in our leg, so that's going to speed your metabolism by having muscular legs. So if you were to completely eliminate leg stuff, you would also have a harder time leaning out because of that. So it does work. That's where I was feeling kind of stuck. Like, I'm in like calorie deficit right now, into lose a little bit of fat and shurn off. My upper body's leaning out, my lower body's not.

Starting point is 01:14:11 But yet, I'm totally on board with like heavy compound lifting, I realize, you know, that's, that's probably the solution, but yet, you know. So, should I more sort of discontinue or avoid the concept of progressive overload then and then just not necessarily not necessarily but there's I don't know if you've listened to the episode but you should go listen to the episode that we did on progressive overload. There's nine I mean we listed nine different ways to progressive overload progressive overload doesn't necessarily always mean adding more weight to the bar.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Yeah, and you can just cut the volume down. Here's, okay, with someone like you, if you're very gifted in the leg department with muscle and then you think to yourself, all right, I'm not going to go heavy anymore, I'm just going to do more reps. And then here's what will happen, you'll build more muscle as a result of doing that. So, just cut the volume. That's it, just cut the't and don't prioritize your legs. We do a full body workout. Like we almost always, if we're if we're writing a full body workout, the first exercises are lower body. The biggest

Starting point is 01:15:14 movements, most bang for your body. I would save them for the end when you're done with when you're done with all your upper body stuff, then you go do your legs. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Thanks, like, guys. No problem. No problem. No problem. Yeah, that's the longest question yet.

Starting point is 01:15:31 Absolutely. Yeah. It's the award. You know, I tell you, this is where bodybuilding's got a lot of, one area in bodybuilding that's got a lot of value. Is the bodybuilders are excellent at understanding how to slow down development in some areas and speed up development in others areas and speed up development. And others.

Starting point is 01:15:46 I love this client. Like so, I know I'm razzin' her a little bit about the long-winded question, but this is actually really common. A lot of people that come in the gym and they want to change their body composition. There's normally areas they're either very happy with or they develop really well or areas they don't.

Starting point is 01:16:03 And this is where I like our job job and it's not as cookie cutter as oh go follow maps aesthetic. You know, our oh go follow this program, I have to be able to modify and adjust, which is how we wrote these always. We've always never, we've never said this is the perfect program for everybody. It's, you know, here's some general rules, but here's a great example of nothing, and what I love doing with the client,

Starting point is 01:16:26 like this since almost everybody is underdeveloped on the post-ear chain, like I would get rid of a lot of the quad stuff, and I'd focus more hamstring. I would do, you know, stiff-legged deadlifts and more deadlifts stuff. I would do more good morning type of stuff. I would do movements that-

Starting point is 01:16:40 Because I'm almost never, I don't think I've ever had a female client say that their posterior chain was overdeveloped. Right, right. It was always clogged. And that's why I went to the hip thruster, because normally, it's normally their thighs, right? They don't like that their thighs keep growing

Starting point is 01:16:54 getting bigger, but most girls are completely okay with adding an inch to their butt, you know? Or their hamstring, because here's the thing too, you develop those hamstrings, even if they grow in size, it gives this great look on the backside. And it's just, it's the number one overlooked muscle on both men and women. This is just the perfect example that, you know, like once we get so divided in these camps, like, oh, well, I'm just going to power lift. I'm just going to crossfit, like there's so many individual differences to account for bodybuilding is a great option to really scope the body. So it's a valid method, and all of these can work,

Starting point is 01:17:28 and we can interweave them together. Our next color is Graydon from Alberta, Canada. Hey Graydon, how can we help you? Hey guys, first off, just wanna say, absolutely, love you guys, found your show at just a little over two years ago, and it's absolutely helped my training a ton. I just wanted to ask, I played basketball in football, like my whole life growing up,

Starting point is 01:17:51 and my off-season training was always centered around bodybuilding type movements. But I wanted to start a powerlifting program, and I'm wondering what are the benefits and detriment of incorporating bodybuilding movements into a powerlifting program. Oh, great, great question. You know, of all the strength sports, I would say bodybuilding and powerlifting have probably the most to learn from each other. There's a lot of value that powerl lifters can get from doing certain bodybuilding movements or even focusing on hypertrophy.

Starting point is 01:18:28 And there's a lot of value that bodybuilders can get from that they'll learn from power lifters. So here's the stuff that I would avoid for powerlifting. I would avoid lots of the isolation movements or overemphasis on lots of isolation movements, lots of side laterals and kickbacks and those kind of exercises. There's a little bit of value for powerlifting in that, especially if there's an imbalance, but not a ton. Now the value you get from bodybuilding for powerlifting

Starting point is 01:18:57 really mainly revolves around the type of volume, the changing the angles, and a little bit of hypertrophy. If you get a power lifter and you get them to add a little bit of muscle or size, all of a sudden their stability goes up and they feel like the more in control of the bar. So you could do higher reps, cycles of higher reps, unilateral training. So power lifters do a lot of bilateral type training,

Starting point is 01:19:23 but if they went through a cycle where they did, you know, lunges for example front squats Single lake type exercises when they go back to their powerlifting They typically notice better stability in their lifts. They feel more stable In their and their heavy lift. So those are the things I'd look at because body building is really good for just for size And for balancing the body out a little bit more so than powerlifting OTA. So there's one major detriment that's out in a dress that I think you should definitely know that both body building and powerlifting do a disservice to athletics is that a lot of the training is

Starting point is 01:19:58 like in the sagittal plane like everything is. Well I'm surprised you I was going to comment that you had bodybuilding as the go-to training program for those sports. Yeah, so that's the real bummer about both those. I mean, sports is so much rotational strength, right? There's so much in that, if you get really, really strong in one plane, it does really hinder that. And that's a lot of times where like injury happens. I know where my injury happened playing basketball. I was, because I train like this. I train mostly in the powerlifting body building type of world or modality.

Starting point is 01:20:35 And then I still like to go pick up a basketball every once in a while. And I mean, that's where I hurt myself. Yeah, great. Is your question to get better at basketball? Or is your question to get better at basketball, or is your question to get better at powerlifting? Better at powerlifting, I really want to make some major strength.

Starting point is 01:20:52 Yeah, but he's also off seat. Do you still play sports? No, no, this is just, oh, that was growing up. I played a lot of sports in that. I got it. All I really do about was like watching Steve Cook videos and training of games.

Starting point is 01:21:07 Got it. Okay, I was misunderstood. So I was under the impression this is just off season because there's a lot of value in bodybuilding, powerlifting style workouts in an off season to any sport as long as you just keep in mind all the stuff that I was talking about. But okay, so if you're not even worried,

Starting point is 01:21:22 so but that's the thing you gotta be careful of though. I just wanna let you know that, like if you start to move in this powerlifting, bodybuilding world, and if I don't know if you still get the itch to go play ball every now and then, like I do, yeah, so be careful because you get really strong in one direction, yes, the body to rotate left or right,

Starting point is 01:21:40 or turn in a sharp direction, or slow down real quick and go the other way. And it's just you haven't been training that way. But yet your muscles are really strong from bodybuilding and powerlifting. And that's a lot of time where the injuries occur. Well, just one thing I've noticed from bodybuilders that convert over to powerlifting, especially with the deadlift, is just like technique wise. Like, a lot of like trying to really pull and having their elbows just slightly bent to

Starting point is 01:22:06 really muscle up of the weight versus training their body to really master the technique of it and really apply the force and get their body to go through the proper mechanics of it. So spend some time not really stacking the plates right away, but really like honing in on the technique of these main lists. I would go powerlifting 80%, or maybe 90% of the time, 10 to 20% bodybuilding,

Starting point is 01:22:37 and you're gonna get carryover. You'll get some good carryover. You know, for example, powerlifters nowadays, this was never the case before, but nowadays you see powerlifters doing bicep curls. I mean, they used to say, it used to make fun of doing curls, but then people were tearing their biceps. And so now you see more of them doing bicep curls here and there to prevent that from happening. So, and same thing with tricep exercises, you see them doing more press downs and cable exercises.

Starting point is 01:23:01 So, if it's 80 to 90% powerlifting, 10 to 20% bodybuilding, you'll get great carryover for your powerlifting. Well, great. Are you following? Do you have any maps programs? No, I want to start maps power. Okay. I guess, are you saying that it's better to, like, in a powerlifting program, to do your powerlifting program and then incorporate a week or two of bodybuilding or follow bodybuilding movements in your powerlifting program. Follow Maps Powerlift.

Starting point is 01:23:29 I would just focus on powerlifting. Yes. Follow Maps Powerlift. It's got everything you need. You'll be set. Yeah, and you're trust, I mean, a good example of how good you'll still look. Don't worry, I don't know if you follow our buddy Ben Pollock, but Ben Pollock is a bodybuilder, powerlifting guy who goes back and forth

Starting point is 01:23:42 between two who's also who helped write that program with us. But that's black belt stuff. We gotta master it first. Yeah, yeah, just follow the maps, powerlift program. We'll send that over to your gradin. Oh, awesome. Thank you so much. No problem.

Starting point is 01:23:56 I totally misunderstood. Yeah. I know when you were answering, I was listening to you all the time. I was singing the same thing. Well, when I re- I played, oh, it's as I played right so past tense, but I was assuming that like he's ending Then he brings up offseason. I thought he's gonna go play just telling us this history But he did still say that he will go play so and this is this is both my big injuries that I've had Have been because the last you know decade plus I've been you know bodybuilder powerlifter guy

Starting point is 01:24:24 You're asking your body to do something different. You're putting a big engine in a car without great handling, for example. That's right. Your horsepower is going to increase. And so, yeah, if you're not maintaining the quality and integrity of your joints, you're going to feel it. Well, the irony is, injuries always happen

Starting point is 01:24:40 from lack of strength. It's just the lack of specific strength. Specific strength. So you can get really strong in one area, but you're weak in others. And that means that you're going to risk injury. And is the risk of injuries increases? Absolutely. Because, you know, like you said, if I was out of shape, as far as strength wise, and I just laid off a plane basketball for, let's say, two years, but wasn't lifting, went back to playing basketball, I would less likely be

Starting point is 01:25:03 get injured. But because I built all that horsepower up, built all that muscle, then went in there trying to do movements like that, that's where you get trouble. Now that I understand his question better, it seems to me like a lot of what we answer to with people that really want to still incorporate their cardio. They don't want to lose, you know, this endurance, but meanwhile, they want to build their strength. Well, he wants to get into powerlifting and really indulge in that, but doesn't want to lose the bodybuilding thing. You know,

Starting point is 01:25:29 talk about a modality though that really is going to play well. Oh yeah. And his question really is, is there a detriment? It's like, well, no, not unless that's the majority of your training. I mean, bodybuilding training is going to give you more stamina

Starting point is 01:25:43 and that'll help with your powerlifting because body building is more volume, typically higher reps. You're going to be better at hypertrophy, which is good. You'll do more of the unilateral type exercises, which I've noticed in myself backing off the bilateral stuff, doing the unilateral stuff, go back to the bilateral stuff, and then I'm able to surpass my previous best. But just taking the time to just focus on that, you know, is you're gonna get the skill of it, and then you can get creative and interweave them together,

Starting point is 01:26:11 but really to just focus on that's gonna be massive for him. Our next caller is Tina from Texas. Hey Tina, how can we help you? Hey, how you doing? Good. All right, so I have two questions. My first one is about Calorie surplus, and my second one is about IF.

Starting point is 01:26:32 So as far as the Calorie surplus goes, real quick, background, I'm 51. About two years ago, I started getting some menopausal symptoms. Everything I was doing before wasn't working anymore. So I dove in, started to restart and I was able to recomp pretty good after a year and a half by following macros and lifting more consistently. And so I wanted to step it up and I hired an online coach in December because my goal was just a little bit more muscle definition.

Starting point is 01:27:06 She put me on a six day split, three leg days, which was great. I'm loving it. That's what I'm doing right now. She put me on a meal plan. That's like six meals a day, typical girl chicken rice. I was able to follow it. I lost some body fat, but I'm still feeling like I'm not getting the muscle definition I want. And I'm wondering if it's because I'm not eating

Starting point is 01:27:32 enough. That's what I've read. You've got to be in calories surplus to gain muscle. And then as far as the I.F. goes, I've always really liked I.F. I like the way it makes me feel. I like the health benefits of it. But I've read that if you don't break your fast within a certain amount of time after your workout that you could risk muscle loss. Let's stick to the first one first. Let's get the first one first. And let me, Tina, I have a question for you.

Starting point is 01:27:59 Did you ask if your personal trainer listens to Mind Pump first? No, I did not. Tina, Tina, dammit, Tina, that's I tell everybody if you're going to hire a trainer, that should be the first question you guys have trying to know. So that would be the first, the second question I have for you, where are the calories at right now?

Starting point is 01:28:20 So I started in December. When she gave me the plan, she didn't give me calories. She just gave me ounces and followed this plan. When I calculated it, it was like 1200 calories. And I asked her, I'm like, is this right? And she said, well, yeah, they're going to vary a little. I do have one high carb day. So they were like around 1,12, 1,300. But I listened to my body.

Starting point is 01:28:43 And if I'm working out and I get hungry I will eat I'll make sure I make some good choices but good for you. So you know I wasn't following her plan 100% I was listening more to my body. Good for you that's and that's better because a six-day split and I don't know what what's how tall and how heavy you are but that's that's not very many calories especially somebody who's training that aggressively. So that would be the first thing. You're correct in the idea if we're gonna try and build muscle,

Starting point is 01:29:10 unless you were a total newbie, you will see some newbie gains of building muscle when you're on low calorie. But for the most part, in order to build muscle, build that metabolism up, we're gonna wanna increase calories. And so I would actually push you more in the direction of like a MAPSANabolic type of program, which is only a three day a week full body

Starting point is 01:29:30 routine and increase your calories to help build some muscle, speed the metabolism up before I take you back the other direction. Yeah, your calories are a little low and because you've been cutting for a little while and your age, you know, even you talked about your age a little bit, I would, exactly what Adam said, bump your calories up and try to gain strength and gain muscle. And what you might find is you'll actually get leaner as a result. You might find that you'll gain muscle and lose body fat at the same time. At 1200 calories, you have nowhere else to go, right? If you stay at 1200 calories and you're not as lean as you want to be,

Starting point is 01:30:02 the only way you can, I guess, the only direction you can go is by dropping your calories even more, and that's just not sustainable, at least not with the clients I've ever worked with. It's too low, so bump the calories up, and I would go for strength. I would go for increasing strength, and you're likely to find that you're going to get leaner as a result. At the very least, you'll maintain your leanness, gain some muscle and speed up your metabolism, which case it makes the,

Starting point is 01:30:26 it's gonna make the future cut much easier. As far as intermittent fasting is concerned, no that's false, you're not gonna lose muscle if you don't eat food for, you know, for a day or whatever, 12 hours. That doesn't work that way. However, two frequent intermittent fasting in people can sometimes be a stress on the body.

Starting point is 01:30:46 And this is more common with women and more common with women past the age of 40. You start to see hormone imbalances pop up a little bit more often in women than in men by utilizing things like intermittent fasting. Now the reason why you feel so good doing it, there's a couple of reasons. One is it boosts catacolamine production.

Starting point is 01:31:04 This is like your epinephrine and you're, you know, these kind of feel good energy hormones. Cortisol goes up a little bit, which feels good, and it gives you energy. But over time, this can be a little bit of a stress. So I would limit fasting to, you know, once a week or something like that at the most. Just if you like the way that it feels. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Doug, what was the name of the app? Was, did we do an episode titled, Intermitt Fastings Making You Fat?

Starting point is 01:31:31 Or something like that? That sounds familiar. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you can look it up while we're talking to her so we can give that to her. If not, if I don't get it to you by the time we hang up, I'll definitely give it in this podcast. So make sure, Tina, if you haven't listened to that episode,

Starting point is 01:31:43 we did a really good, like full and depth dive on the pros and cons of intermittent fasting, how we think most people should use it, how most people use it wrong. I think that episode will probably answer all the questions that you have around that. And then we're gonna shoot you over Maps and a Bulk. I'm assuming you don't have it.

Starting point is 01:32:02 Do you not have Maps and a Bulk? No. Okay, we're gonna shoot that over to you for- I've been looking at your program. Yep. I really want to get into one of your programs. The only thing is I just want to make sure I can do them at home with my weights. I have dumbbells up to 50 pounds. We have we have we have we have the option for you. All of them. We actually have we last year when the whole COVID thing happened, we actually made mods for most all of our program,

Starting point is 01:32:29 about 90% of them have at-home mods that all you need is a set of dumbbells and you're fine. So they all come with a mod. So we're gonna send you anabolic for free. So you can follow that slowly increase your calories, don't increase them a ton, you know, just, and actually the way you're doing it probably kinda right now is probably perfect.

Starting point is 01:32:49 If you're hungry, feed yourself. Just make a good choice. And then the other thing that I'm gonna offer to you for free is to come in our forum. So we have a private forum where you can come in there and we've, besides the three of us are in there, we've got tons of nutritionists. We've got other personal trainers in there, mobility specialists, a lot of brilliant minds

Starting point is 01:33:12 and a lot of great people going through our programs. And you got questions about your diet. You got questions about your training program. What's going on? You put them in there and you'll get that same type of feel that you're probably paying for with a online coach. Only you get it for free once you're inside the form. All right cool sounds good. All right great thanks for calling. All right thanks guys. How good day? You too Tina. Yeah that old you know online coach approach of

Starting point is 01:33:41 yeah she said that was like this food yeah just, just eat this food. Fringe worthy. Follow this meal plan. They didn't even tell her the calories. Here's your workout. Six days a week. And by the way, okay, you put anybody on a grill chicken rice, 1200 calories, six meal a day. Six days a week lift.

Starting point is 01:33:57 Yeah, and six days body parts split lift, you're gonna lose weight and lean out a little bit for sure. So the initial results that you see is not a reflection of good coaching or good training. It's like this person obviously should have focused first on building strength and increasing calories, build her metabolism up before she went into a, especially at 1200 calorie. I mean, and again, we didn't ask how much she weighs. I'm assuming she's more than 98 pounds though. So, I mean, that's definitely super low calorie and I wouldn't be training her six days a week on a split, a full body, you know, two to three day a week

Starting point is 01:34:34 program would serve her much better. Totally. Look, check this out. If you like, mind pump, go check out mind pump free.com. We got a lot of free guides there that you can learn from. Tons of them, and they're all all free. You can also find all of us on social media, Instagram. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Salon, Adam at Mind Pump Out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body,

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