Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1526: The Best Form of Exercise When Time Is Limited, the Effectiveness of Tracking Calories Weekly Vs. Daily, How to Avoid Body Image Obsession When Training for Aesthetics & More

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about spending less time lifting weights in order to get steps in when time is tight, whether counting weekly calories is just as effective as tracking daily caloric intake, how to stay detached from body image when training for aesthetics, and strategies to create efficiency or automation when working with and managing a lot of clients at once. Justin’s newest pre-podcast drink brought to you by Organifi’s Pure.  (4:34) Interesting facts about Formula 1 racing. (5:21) Tai Lopez has interesting business strategies. (10:16) Mind Pump Debates: Is Tonal under or overvalued and what does the future of tech-fitness look like? (17:28) Proud parent moment for this girl scout. (31:40) Fun Facts with Justin: Permafrost worms come back to life! (35:13) Mind Pump’s take on Universal Basic Income (UBI). (38:47) CBD for Alzheimer’s treatment. (46:44) #Quah question #1 – Working from home and getting steps in is much more of a challenge. If I have an hour at the gym, should I lift the entire time or sacrifice 15-20 minutes to get some steps in for the day? What serves me more? (51:25) #Quah question #2 – Is counting your weekly calories just as effective as tracking daily caloric intake? (55:43) #Quah question #3 - How do I train for aesthetics while staying detached from my body image? (58:41) #Quah question #4 – Did you have any strategies in your personal training business to create efficiency or automation when working with and managing a lot of clients at once? (1:03:37) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Specials: MAPS Anabolic or Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “APRILSPECIAL” at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* Formula 1: Drive to Survive | Netflix Official Site 16 Amazing Facts About Formula 1 Tonal, the at-home fitness company backed by Amazon, hits $1.6 billion valuation on new funding round, readies for IPO Available for Pre-Order TODAY! – The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Green gym: Exercise powers machines | The Seattle Times Girl Scout shatters record by selling 32,484 boxes of cookies in 1 season Worms Frozen for 42,000 Years in Siberian Permafrost Wriggle to Life World's Oldest Living Shark Believed To Be 397 Years Old Oakland to give low-income residents $500 a month, no strings attached California Program Giving $500 No-Strings-Attached Stipends Pays Off, Study Finds Universal basic income - Wikipedia War on poverty - Wikipedia CBD for Alzheimer’s: Treatment Reduces Plaque Buildups in the Brain That Causes Disease CBD reduces plaque, improves cognition in model of familial Alzheimer's Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tai Lopez (@tailopez)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Congratulations, users tuned into the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast in the world. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered four fitness and health questions that were asked by listeners, but the way we open the episode is with a 46 minute intro where we talk about current events. We give our expert opinion, sometimes not expert opinion on things. Talk about our lives and we mentioned some of our sponsors.

Here's a rundown of today's episode. So we open up by talking about Justin's pre-podcast drink. In fact, as you listen to the podcast, you can hear his brain hum and his words become sharper and more brilliant, the wheels move fast. That's because he mixed Organifies Pure in some water and drank it before we did the podcast. Organify makes a lot of great plant-based supplements. One of them is pure, it's a new tropic,

so it helps you think sharper and smarter. Go check them out. Go check out all the products and use the Mind Pump discount Go to Organify.com that's or g a n i f i dot com forward slash Mind Pump and then use the code Mind Pump for 20% off Then we talked about formula one because Adam's really into it apparently a little obsessed and Monte Carlo told some stories about the time I went to Monte Carlo. Then we talked about Tai Lopez and we bought a bunch of companies that went bankrupt, trying to speculate on what he's going to do with those companies. Then we talked about how tonal just got 250 million buckaruz.

That's dollars. Wow. An investment money, so we speculated on whether or not that was overpriced. I talk about the Guido diet, probably the most effective diet. You'll find your guaranteed to lose weight. Then we talked about the eight-year-old Girl Scout who sold 32,000 boxes of cookies. What? A champion. She's going somewhere.

Then Justin talked about worms, a 50,000 worm. I don't have them. He doesn't have them. Not anymore at least. Just to put that out there. Then we talked about Oakland's racist UBI policy. Thanks, Oakland. And then we talked about CBD, the immune system, cannabinoids, and our favorite hemp oil product

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in during the day. If I only have an hour to work out, should I do it all on resistance training or should I take 15 to 20 minutes of that to do more steps? The next question this person says, is it better to count daily calories or weekly calories? The third question this person says, how do I train for aesthetics while staying detached

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Hopefully, and I'll smell them too. And you know, well, that's kind of a dig, buddy. Ooh, yeah. You pure with caffeine is a wonderful combination. Yeah, it's one of my favorites. It's balanced and hyper at the same time. It's like giving your car a driver. It's the blood. You didn't mean. Otherwise, giving your car a driver. It's the what?

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You know, I've been talking about Formula One so much on the show and stuff. Yeah. I'm getting all kinds of like recommendations and DMs stuff now. I didn't know, I think it was in the forum, somebody said this. Do you know how much Lewis Hamilton,

what his salary is, what he makes here? I know I do who that is. That's the like the top driver right now, so firm Mercedes. So salary, not endorsements, salary. Yeah, he's got to be like a million. Take a guess. I have no idea.

You have of course you don't. Do you have a guess a million gotta be like a million. Take a guess. I have no idea. You have, of course you don't. You have a guess a million? Yeah. 51 million. 51 million? A year. Are they the highest paid ass leaps in the world? They must be.

I didn't even know that. I didn't even know. Now it makes sense. That's per year. Yeah. Wow. Is that more than NASCAR? Yeah.

I'm just kidding. So, you know what? I mean, it makes sense, right? I mean, it's probably one of the most expensive sports in the world. It's, there is literally only 20 seats available in the entire world. So, it's just super limited, super exclusive. Yeah. So, is it a wealthy spectator sport?

Not like wealthy, obviously the people driving. I'm not about those spectators. Like, is it expensive? Well, I've never seen the stats, and I've never been to one, so I don't know what it costs to get involved in it, but I think it attracts money. I mean, when you look at like Monaco, Singapore,

all these places they race, I mean, it draws the yachts and the, Rolex will be in their sponsoring. Yeah, they are. I mean, Rolex is all over the tracks and Hue Blow and like, I mean, all the big expats. I told you guys about when I went to Monaco once, right? Were you there for that or no?

No, no. We just went for a vacation. We were staying in Nice, which is in France. And then we took the train to Monaco for a day or two. And it's the most insane money place I've ever been to. And like, it's almost cartoonish and ridiculous. Like taxis are top end AMG Mercedes. I saw Lamborghini police cars.

Yeah, naturally. I thought I could cop car. It's a Lamborghini. I'm like, holy shit. The casino. How many times do they just like, you know, make up some kind of chase just to just go like, it's fast-apocalyptic. I guess you need a Lamborghini.

Your tags work spits, sir. Boop. Boop. You know what, if you think about, you probably need a Lamborghini if everyone else is driving for ours in Lamborghini. They try to escape, you ain't gonna catch them and you're cutless, you know what I mean?

You need a Lamborghini. You gotta go get that Lamborghini. You can't be clarin'. I do just fine in the States. You can't outright, you ain't gonna catch him in your cutlass. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, you need a Claren I did just find in the States you can't outright you can't outrun the rate. I know it's gonna helicopter Yeah, yeah, you just got hell of money. Yeah, but I saw it's just the flex so the casino that was insane Like you go in this con and you have to first have to pay to go in the casino really yeah So you can't just walk in and I think they do that for tourists or whatever and I was watching people by the way This is back and I want to observe like really rich people spending money, dude Dude, it's like it's like if you imagine if you saw someone with hundred dollar bills and they were just wiping their butt with it

This is what I used for toilet paper like wow This is how they live bro. I amazing. I we go in there and I'm watching the people gamble and I see these you know These older man or whatever and they're just chips, like stacks of them, right? Betting them, so I'm counting the chips. I'm like, wow, that's like a thousand dollars. That's like two thousand dollars. And then my friend, I was there with Jason, right? He hits me and he goes, bro, look at the minimum bet

on the table, 5,000 euro was the minimum. Yeah, it's crazy. So these guys were betting 30, 40, 50,000 euro. A hand. So that makes me sweat, dude. It just be like, oh, you watch people just lose it all. This was 2006. This is also where I saw, like,

we went to one of the beaches there and I'd never seen sand so clean and I know why it's because they literally clean it. And there was like this boat that would go offshore and just kind of go back and forth. And the job of the boat is to clean the ocean You're the near the beach. Oh really? Yes, no bum heroin No, bro, you could drink the seawater. It was so it was so clean except for salty right but wow

But there was this guy we're sitting down, you know on the beach and it's just insane and there's this like Old overweight like All of complex did dude, you, laying down, he's like a gold bunch of gold chains and he's just sitting just big belly and he's in a speedo. And so I'm like, you know, I'm telling Jason, like, do you look at that guy? Like, this is hilarious. That's like, bro, that's like the guy that's behind every Instagram chick. That's like pictures on the boat.

Oh, bro. He had, he had three to four, like,model girls sitting around him and they were like massaging him, putting stuff on him. What was the name of that app? What's it called? Sugar Babies? Is that what it's called? Sugar Babies, right?

I remember we were in LA and they were advertising it on a billboard. I know, I couldn't believe that. Do you remember that? I do. Yeah, I think it was Sugar Babies, right? Doug, do you remember? Yeah.

This sounds familiar. Yeah, don't act like you don't. Yeah, I'm so surprised. Yeah, maybe think it was sugar babies, right? Doug, do you remember? Yeah. Sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah, don't act like you don't. Yeah. Don't act like you don't know me. Subscribe. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Don't put me on blast here, man. Let me see your phone, guy.

Doug's not a sugar daddy. He's a sugar baby. Speaking of rich guys, do you guys, do you follow, do you know, Ty Lopez is? He's like the modern guy. Yeah, the internet guy with the books inside of his garage with his lambo's. There you go.

Yeah, so, yeah, known for making all kinds of money, e-commerce, right? He kind of like fell off, like, or he just disappeared for a while. Like, I used to follow him and pay attention to some of the stuff he was doing. And I hadn't seen him on social while, he popped up this morning in my feed,

and I got, I went on his page and then kind of went back, like, I don't know the last like month or so because I hadn't seen anything. First of all, he's like Jacked. Have you seen him? No. He's definitely been lifting some ones. Pull him up real quick, Doug.

He does not look the same anymore. He's really just like, yeah, like a kind of nerdy skinny guy. Yeah, yeah. So he's definitely, he's Jacked now. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah. And also, what I thought,

what why I'm bringing him up that I thought was interesting is he's bought like eight companies recently like acquired radio shack and a couple other like pulled up its in his bio that sure you got a good deal yeah yeah no so that's him now yeah wow he changed yeah yeah can you go to his can you go to his Instagram bio from there Doug do you know how to do that from where you're at looks like he's on maps and a ball like yeah yeah's what's going on right there. So I'm trying to figure out the strategy here.

So he did this post I read that said like, when everybody's going left, go right. And he bought all of these companies like Radio Shack. So they'll go to top, top, top, top, top. Go ahead, there you go, right there. See Radio Shack, Dress Barn, what do I read that can't read them all? Pure one, models, there you go, right there. See, Radio Shack, Dress Barn, what do I read that can't read them on? Pure One, Models, Steinmarked, Lennon's and Things,

Franklin Mint. These are all companies that we're taking. Yeah, aren't these all companies that we're going bankrupt and stuff? Yes. Well, so Radio Shack, there's like Mervins. Yeah.

K-Mart and save everything. So, Radio Shack at one point was, I'm dominant everywhere, and now they're not not probably because they're brick and mortar store front, you know, tech stores that probably got crushed by the internet and by like Apple stores. Well, there's nothing in radio shack that you can't order on Amazon cheaper and faster. Right. So what would you think you would do by radio shack and then make it online? So yeah, use the brand. Yeah. So I imagine that.

Update bring it into the 21st century. I imagine that those brands have. So I got it for 15 bucks. They have enough contacts that the contacts alone, if you could pivot to somehow take the brands online. Like maybe, I don't know. That's why I'm really curious on what the strategy is. I just fell across, right before we walked in here. I was showing Justin.

I was like, oh bro, look at the Tai Lopez. Yeah, go online, Doug, and look up Radio Shack. I'd like to see the website. I'm trying to think of the last time I bought something there. What do you call it? Waukey Taki's? I think it's the last thing I purchased there. Yeah, I do.

Well, they always have like cool, you know, if you're like, what a name, by the way, Waukey Taki. Waukey Taki. Yeah, I like a sippy, drinking. What if you named everything like that? So condescending. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Jackie.

Hey, you like my new footy walking? Okay, so they still have a website. And what do they sell? All the same stuff. Battery. All the little gadgets, you know? Yeah. Okay.

You know, where's the stock at right now? But the stock is like single digits, right? You know what? If you are a big Tai Lopez fan, there might be a good investment if the stock is like single digits, right? You know what? If you are big Tai Lopez fan, there might be a good investment if the stock sucks. Which I am. If the stock sucks. Yeah.

I mean, if it's cheap. It is. I think they're all very cheap. I think they've all, well, check it out before I'd speak too soon here. I don't know. I could be that fast. Well, didn't Gary Vandercheck, wasn't he on this for a while? Like he was trying to buy and acquire a bunch of nostalgic type brands.

I was he? I don't know. Yeah. Oh my God, it's not even a dollar. What? It's point, it's a 14 cents? 14 and a half cents. Well, that sounds like a decent, you sure that's where do you check, Doug?

It's the only one I know. Okay. So, that, it could be a fun gamble. I mean, it would be, you get through a hundred bucks at it. Yeah, you put a thousand, five grand at it, whatever you got a bunch of shares, and then just leave it and see what happens. You know what I mean, it would be, you get through a hundred bucks at it. Yeah, I put, you know, put a thousand five grand at it, whatever you got a bunch of shares, and then just leave it and see what happens. You know what I mean?

Interesting. Very, you know, Radio Shack as a kid, I have to say it was one of my top five places to go in. No, it's cool. But now it was a kid. They had all the gadgets. Yeah, it was remote control helicopters, you know, just flying around the store all the time.

Yeah, yeah, and it was like, Marley just talked about Sharper Image. It was like the more useful Sharper Image. Yeah, and it was like, Marley just talked about sharper image. It was like the more useful sharper image. It was like sharper image except by bought stuff. Yeah, sharper image. I just walked around and didn't do anything. Yeah. Well, sharper image, you walked around and you're like,

this is all cool, but I don't need any of it. Radio check had stuff you need, right? Isn't that the difference? It did. Did you guys, were you guys ever in a radio control car? Yeah, see, look at Doug, I don't think I need a laser pointer pen telephone. Yeah, exactly. I was even as an adult, I have the gas power.

Radio, the gas power. Right now you have one? It's somewhere in my storage, yeah. Oh, those are awesome. They are awesome. So fun and fast, yeah. But you break it real fast on the problem. That's a problem, very similar to my big car too.

So, you know, you get that the high powered cars like that, you know, there's always little things, and so you have to like tinkering You know, it's fun not a I like to play have you guys watched speaking of playing have you guys gone on YouTube and watched these Drone races. Yeah. Oh my god. They're awesome. Oh, yeah, two best friends are in they put what yeah, I've told you guys about this We talked about it. Wait. Wait. They actually sign up and race They were their VR goggles and everything but it first got popular I brought up on the podcast I'm leaving on shit four years ago

So they actually sign up and go to the races. I was teasing them because they were giving me a hard time for not getting into it. I even brought up the remote control cars. I was like, dude, I gotta, you know, I was a long time. I got $800 remote control cars sitting in a storage somewhere because I thought it was gonna be fun

and we did it for a few weekends and then it just sits there. I'm like, I'm not gonna fall into that same trap with these stupid fucking... What do you mean you made the company by drones? That's different. Very, very different. I see the strategy.

No, no, no, no, no. Those are racing drones and that's for all play. At least the company drones. Bro, you try to talk us into getting a business there. How cool was the video that Justin made when he crashed into the scooter? Yeah, okay. We had to use it a few times.

That was what happened. Yeah, that's where it is. I remember when he tried to convince us to get a float tank in here. I remember, this is what you do few times. That was what happened. Yeah, that was worth it. I remember when he tried to convince us to get a float tank in here. I remember, this is what you do, bro. You get into shit. And then you're like, you know what we need, guys? I mean, I'm still a $20,000 float tank.

Well, I was also a negotiation. Somebody that was going to hook it up, though. So that's different. I would not have spent, I would never spend our money like that. But I mean, yeah, you never bought arcades and put them in the studio. But that's my money. Okay, first of all, and those are A, and by the way, okay, you could get online right now and sell both of those

for more money than I paid for. Already went up, huh? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I got them for a good deal though, so. Investments. How much did you make on them, do you think? Oh, I don't know, they're probably $500 more each than what I paid for.

Oh, that's all right. Yeah, that's not bad. But I mean, they didn't go down, and we've had them, and we could play with them, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of going up and down, Bitcoin's climbing up again But I mean, they didn't go down and we've had them and we could play with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of going up and down, Bitcoin's climbing up again a little bit, huh? I'm so overwatched.

That's why. It's boring, dude. Bitcoin? Well, I don't watch it like a TV show, but it's going up and I think it'll keep going up because it keep... So is this gonna be our new world's currency? I mean, if we keep going this direction.

If we keep creating monopoly money, there's a new, like, I don't know, I'm gonna trillion dollar infrastructure plan they're gonna pass. So crazy. Pretty soon, you know? Well, I $100 want to go buy you a dollar. Yeah, I saw that Visa, like,

is adopting some sort of like crypto. Really? Yeah. Are they really? Yeah, they're working that into their, their system somehow. Oh snap. Well, that's a big move.

That is. I have some like crazy stuff that we can probably that were more educated and conspicuated on that i read an article on tonal uh... yeah taking on two hundred fifty million dollars uh... you know they work or they were uh... evaluated at one point six billion dollars they're required by a little limit right now i think it acquired they just investment money yeah they took on took on $250 million at a $1.6 billion valuation. Now, what I want to get into conversation with you guys is, is this overrated, underrated or properly rated? What do you think? So here's my fear with tech fitness.

Tech fitness might get treated like tech in the sense that like new tech tends to get people excited. They tend to invest a lot of money and everybody's like, oh my gosh, it's this new, in tonal and it's it's it's it's it's looks awesome. You put it on your wall, it gives you workouts, it does all these measurements. So that's the worry.

Well, do you know why it's evaluated this side? Do you know why? It's not because it's the exercise. No, I've been assuming it's because of all the information on people. Yeah, I mean, they are banking on this becoming just like a television or a mirror or anything else in your house that becomes every full entertainment center. Yeah, well just it will be a fitness base Well, yeah, it's fitness based But it's becoming something that everybody will have in their home and use it that way and they'll be able to collect all this data on them So so this is what I mean not about like the the exercise thing being revolutionary like you know Nordic track came out So it's it's in a different class than any sort of... And that's what I mean, that's where my fear is because they're treating it like a tech company

because of all this analytics. The problem is to collect all those analytics and to make them valuable people have to work out. Unless it's got entertainment on its own, in which case I'd say that's... And maybe they do, right? They could possibly if they get it enough home. Yeah, like maybe, you know, like maybe it teaches you how to cook and you can pull up a chef, or you can pull up a... Or maybe it becomes also a television too. Like who knows what would they get positive?

Well, that's a big leap to have, you know, like everybody, like adopting this into their house, like is sort of a furniture, like the standard thing that everybody's sort of incorporating. I think, you know, something that would make more sense to me is still with the wearables. I think we've gone away from the wearables a bit, but incorporating that with the programming on the TVs.

I think that interacting with the data and being able to visually see it is gonna be big. So I actually thought I brought this up thing that maybe we disagree a little bit, we can get in a nice little debate, but I'm not only with you guys, I actually think it's grossly over. Yeah, I think it's way overvalued. Great minds, right? Yeah, it's not weird. I mean, you can conflict. You bring up the point I think is so important here. Okay, let's look at all the other

platforms that this is all the data is so valuable. Right. Facebook, Netflix, computer stuff, anything like stuff that you people just just use a lot of times. All the time. Right. Nobody binge his fitness. Nobody binge his fitness. And even the people that do use this tool, the stats show that they're more likely to quit

in a few weeks and stop using it. And it'll become something. The novelty wears off. So that's the bottleneck with anything fitness related. It's always gonna come back to one thing is how do we get more people To use it and this is the most important part stay consistent if you can figure that out in the fitness space You are now you are crushing now you're dominating the world, but if you can't do that Well, this was just an eyes invention right or our idea with the app with gamifying Fishing more people to try and that and I think that's one of the the best

Angles torches, but even our idea It still requires work from people. Yeah, and it's not novelty aspect It's always yeah, if you if we look historically the only thing that's ever consistently got people to be active Really and I hate to say this, but there's only one thing and that's ever consistently got people to be active really and I hate to say this, but there's only one thing and that's when people's lives, normal lives, are organized around activity. And what I mean by that is not necessarily structured activity, but rather you live in a city where it is more advantageous to walk and move and go places.

So you see that quite a bit. People who live in cities, way more active than people who live in suburbs. And it's not because people live in cities value fitness more. It's because when you live in San Francisco, it doesn't make sense to drive to the grocery store, drive to this place because it's ridiculous.

No parking, it's stupid. You walk, you walk everywhere. And so this is the only thing, historically, that's shown how to get massive, massive amount of people to be consistent and be active. Yeah. So far, we have not been able to break, you know, that problem. Yeah.

So I don't know. Yeah, I know. I think it's a very competitive market. I think that it's very overvalued. I think it's cool. I think it's a cool tool. Yeah. I do think there is a, but I mean, I thought Nordic Track is cool.

I think both Lexus cool. I think Bowflex is cool. Like, those are all great tools. And they all have this, like, they have this moment where everyone's, like, there was a moment when Bowflex was a shit, right? I was, there was a moment. How many of moments have we seen? Right. That's what I mean.

It's just trends. They just come and go so much in this industry. Nothing's really like last of the test of time. Well, it's not the foundational thing. It's not revolutionary. There's not, it's not you're not getting anything that you couldn't do with a set of bands and dumbbells or a barbell, either yourself or in a gym.

So you're completely relying on the cool factor of that it hangs on your wall and that takes you through it and it's interactive. And this is one of the problems that, I mean, we tackled as trainers, I talk about this in the resistance training revolution, which is the main issue that we need to look at. One of the main issues is people,

just, you gotta accept this. People in fitness, you need to accept this, okay? The average person is not gonna work out every day, okay? It's not gonna happen. The average person, maybe you can get them if you're good consistently to work out to have structured exercise two days a week, maybe you can get them if you're good, consistently to work out to have structured exercise two days a week, maybe three, and that's it. That's average.

If they're doing a good job, so the form of exercise that they choose needs to be effective at two or three days a week. And that's why we talk about resistance training so much. I don't know any of the form of exercise that you can consistently see progress at two days a week, like resistance training. That's one of the main reasons why that's the form of exercise we preach about so much. I keep waiting to see more movement

in the direction of incentivizing people. So in terms of gathering all this data and having stuff available to people, yeah, great. But where's the big pull for people to see dollars in terms of like lowering their health insurance costs, like their work sort of covering a certain portion of that. I think we could do a much better job of actually incentivizing your average person

to even be interested in the matter. You know what the problem with that is? Now first off with insurance, you do get a little better if you have better health parameters. Yeah, but that's the same thing. But they've tried generic. You're right. They've tried to come up with, you know, companies have tried this. Not very hard. If you exercise, you get this. If you do that, then you get, they get slapped with the discriminator discrimination by saying, oh, you're discriminating against me because I'm, I don't want to exercise or because you're

fat-shaming you or whatever. So that's one of the big eating That's really why 100% really yes Wow, if you like if you had a company and you know by the way, Japan does this There's a lot of companies Japan you show up in the morning and they do group exercise I know this because Doug told me this is like one of the cultural thing you try doing that here You have a company. All right, everybody show up at 8 a.m. We're doing 20 minutes of calisthenics. You are gonna get people who are gonna say, no, you're discriminating me because I can't do it

because I'm overweight, you're fat, shamey me. Companies are like, whatever, do the fuck you want. I'm gonna do that, do your work. Haven't we seen this with car insurance? Are there some car insurance that now have this, you can sign up for like their app and it like basically tracks your speed, tracks how many miles you drive. And then it actually gives you a better rate on your insurance based off of this.

Is that, is that an exist right now? I believe so. Similar concept, right? I mean, if you're, they show that you don't drive very much, you're a safer driver, you should get a little bit lower insurance. I would think the same thing you should be able to do something similar with health insurance that, oh, looks like he's checked in the gym six days this week and he's been doing that consistently so we can...

The two things that I think are effective just based off of experience are, do you have good fitness professionals that are working with people? Because those are the only times I've ever seen long-term real success. And then the second one, I'm going to say it again, you need to design cities so that movement becomes a part of everyday life. If you design cities so that it's, if you live in the suburbs, going on a-

You're actually cattle hurting. Yeah, you either go on a walk just to go on a walk or if you wanna get anywhere, you drive. It doesn't make sense to walk to somewhere. Is there a gym just in that it this exists? I know we talked about this before. I thought this was such a fascinating idea and I think it's up north somewhere.

So in Washington, I'm not talking about it. Where the roof is like solar power, all the equipment is, if you exercise, it generates fully green gym. Yes, I think that's cool. I always thought what would be cool is, you could actually run and exercise your membership. Yeah, ever it's produced something.

Yeah, if you're energy to do it. The more you work out, the less you pay. Yeah, like, so yeah, let it. The more you work out, the less you pay. Yeah, so yeah, let's say you have a $200 of a membership, but if you actually, you could actually put enough energy into the gym that it would take you down to zero. Like how cool with that?

Now, how successful is that gym? Has it done with you? I don't know, I haven't followed up with it. I don't know, I haven't actually looked at it. I think they looked at this like years ago, right? It was totally a novel idea back then because this is when tech was really kind of adopting fitness. And they're like, oh, what we can do?

Like, we'll have these special treadmills that you can run. And then that's gonna power the lights and stuff in the gym. And they had all these solar panels everywhere. And stuff is amazing. I think it's brilliant. Where do you see the fault? Like, where do you see that it was? I don't see people caring.

I don't see it working. I don't think people are gonna be ever... If you're really about global warming, you know, and efforts, like those people need to go in there. A lot of people say they are, but look at the right. I know, that's what I mean. That's what I like to say. I mean, I would think it would be even money.

Well, you know, I don't think they did what I was suggesting, which is reduce their monthly fees. I think that is what would motivate you to do it. There's, so I've seen these, like these fit challenges. Have you guys seen these where people say, if you, or trainers who say, if you hit your goal, your training was free. Yeah.

I've seen that before. Now what I've done that was client. Now what I like to see though, is the long term, are they able to keep it off? Doesn't work very well. Right. That's my point with this whole thing. It's not very effective long term. No, you're right. It doesn't work very well. Right. That's my point with this whole thing. It's not very effective long term.

No, you're right. It doesn't work very well. Yeah, because what the fitness space does is it trades. There's a 20% of the population that works out relatively consistently. They're constantly fighting over that 20%. The 80% like we have yet to really figure out a way to get them to do something on a consistent basis.

Well, I just think that's why we need more competitive ideas out there to try. Well, so when I was a kid, I remember a class it was, it was e-con or English. We had to make a commercial with our friends. So, did you guys ever do this in school? They're like, make a commercial, produce it, and then we'll watch it and create it. Anyway, we had to make a commercial, and I made my buddy and I did a diet. We called it the Guido diet, so essentially, he was like, you know, we made him,

like we stuffed his shirt full of pillows, so he's like an overweight guy or whatever. And then he signs up, and I'm Guido, and I'm like, all right, you know, we made him, like, we stuffed a shirt full of pillows so he's like, an overweight guy or whatever. And then he signs up and I'm Guido and I'm like, all right, you know what? And he's like, how am I gonna lose weight? I'm like, don't worry, it's gonna work. It's just a bludgeon blended meatball. No, it's gonna work, you'll lose some weight. All right, and then he closes the door and he goes to his fridge, he opens it and grabs a donut,

and he takes a bite and I open the door and I kick his ass. No, every time. Every time you eat something, you're not supposed to. I'm gonna kick your ass, you know? Cause I lost 30 pounds in one week with the Guido diet, you know? That's pretty good actually. That's the only thing I could think of,

that would be effective. You actually get your ass kicked every time. Every time I see. Yeah, so I'll be watching Tonal and Mir, I'm really curious to see how the... Peloton still kind of holding, you know, went down and it looks like it's going a little bit back. Well, they also, there's, that's like a niche group, right?

Yeah. There is a big group of people that love cycling classes already, right? This would be, so to me, that's a different, almost a different category. Although they would be considered as competitors for the same, probably the market share they're going after, I really think one is different than the other. I think, and I think Peloton has a stronger foothold

than Tonal. Tonal is trying to create that group of people that love doing Tonal already or mere, where Peloton, there's already huge soul cycle people and people that love cycling class and now you've offered them this ability to do this home and still kind of connect with their family. So there's already a very strong group of people. It's already proven. Yes, exactly where there isn't like these classes that are being

held up with these digital tonal things and people are like, yes, now I can do it for my house. Yeah. So they're trying to prove that. So I had to put my money on to big of a leap on those two companies. Now, tonals, my money is there. Right. We have money in Peloton. Yeah. So tonals not public, right? Obviously. So, we don't know what their financials look like, but I wonder if we can see. No, I do.

I don't know what the exact, so don't hold me to that. I listened to an interview with the CEO like a year ago. They run in the red. So, there are like many other tech companies, right? That's what I mean. I feel like the excitement's coming. They need to get a user base. Yes, because the user base is growing so rapidly,

that's where they get that valuation. It's not because they're generating billions and billions of dollars, they're running in the red. And that's another reason why I think they're so overrated is because this is all on speculation. And yes, we're pretty accurate with things like Snapchat and YouTube and all these other and Instagram like as far as those Valuations do asking people

That's the interesting thing is like yes, they made a product, but really they're their main revenue is the people that are using the products Yes, and they're selling those people and there's a lot different there's a definitely different behaviors around Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube Then there is with tonal and palaton and those types. Nobody's doing curls on the toilet. You're definitely scrolling through Facebook. And nobody is literally addicted in spending six to eight hours a day. There's lots of people spending six to eight hours a day

on social media platforms. That's a very common. Very, very common. Yeah, I'm gonna take a left turn here. I just read an article today about a young lady, who, young girl, who, as a parent, I would be so proud of this kid. Let me tell you about this little girl.

So she's an eight year old girl scout, and she set the record for selling girl scout cookies. You wanna guess how many she sold in a single season? Boxes. What's a season? Five months a month, two months. I have no idea what a season is. I'm sure it's a...

Did she get up to the 1000 range? 32,000 boxes. What? Over 32,000 boxes of Girl Scout cookies. Now here's a crazy thing. What is it, what does she do on here? People thought that she got like a big transaction or a big business sponsor to buy from them.

Not true. The biggest order place was 100 boxes. Wow. She reached 32,000 boxes out of everyone's seeing value and buying one box, two boxes, four boxes, and everyone working together to try to be a small piece of a really big puzzle. So this little girl, it was her honeymoon.

She must have had a mission behind what she was doing or she had some sort of a strategy. What was it? Just going out, we boothed 11 hours straight outside our house and sold 500 boxes in one day. And it's in her mom, Mr. Mom, it's lily being lily. She does not like somebody telling her something is not possible. Oh, makes me emotional. You imagine if that was your kid? Yeah. Yeah. It is like, no, dad. I need to win that. That's

incredible. So with one week left in the season, she was at 26,000 boxes. So in one week she went from 26 to 32,000 in order to break the record. Oh, so she broke the record. She did. She's the record holder. And what's crazy about that, there was no hack. Like she didn't get into a big company here.

No, she said the greatest thing. Is it like famous and sold a bunch for her? No, no. Oh, wow. You know, remember the kid like five years ago who hacked into like sitting in front of the dispensaries I thought that was brilliant. Oh, come on, dude. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I Thought that was brilliant. Yeah, you can sell cookies. I thought you were gonna say that

I thought that's what it was She got in front of all the Disappearment with every box of cookies. Yeah, you're gonna sell something But I mean if you're gonna predict a kid's gonna be successful. I mean that right there. Yeah, how old are you in girl scout? How old is she? She's eight. Eight years old. Wow.

Yeah, I remember my son one time, he was really young. He must have been six or seven. And this was like one of those moments where you like tear up or whatever. He wanted to sell cool aid to people in the block. So I said, sure, I didn't tell him to do anything. I'm like, I wanna see where his mind is at. So we go to the store, how many flavors do you want?

And he's like, two. And I'm like, okay, I said, you sure you don't want like five or six flavors? He goes, it's too many choices. I want people just to have two. And I'm like, okay, my smart, my kid. It's not worth this, right? So then we do the whole thing.

And then we, you know, I help him set up his little table and everything. I said, how much do you want to sell each class of Kool-Aid for? And he's thinking about it, and we had this discussion. He's like a dollar or two dollars, and I'm really trying hard not to direct him in any way, right? And then he said something, one of the most brilliant things he's ever said.

He goes, I think I'm gonna make it free. I'm like free, am I, how are you supposed to make any money with free? He goes, when people get the cup, and I ask me how much, I'll say, it's free, but you can give me however much money you want if you like the cup. So you got this cute little kid telling you that. And it worked, dude. He would say people were like, how much do you get $5, probably for $11? This one guy, he's like, how much is it

in my son's like, it's free? You can give me whatever you want. The dude's like 20 bucks, you know, 30 bucks. He made a lot of money, he had like five people show up, he made like a hundred bucks. I love that. I love that. That's such a good thing to do. Yeah, that's such a good thing to do.

Dude, I was reading, I think it was a scientific article, but basically, like I just found out that they were able to find in the permafrost these worms that were 50,000 something years old, that basically they thawed them out, and immediately after they thawed them out, they started to eat and come back to life completely. So, if it makes, if it's true,

it makes them the oldest living species that they found. 50,000 year old worm, and it was in suspended animation. Suspended animation, yeah. Oh, that's crazy. I almost feel like, you know, I don't know, this always takes me down the sci-fi route. Yeah.

I was just gonna be okay. Yeah. Well, you should look at the picture if you zoom in, of course. It's like God's the little larva. It has like these little teeth and it looks like one of those tunneling worms, you know, from a dune or something like that,

or tremors or something, it looks like one of those kind of worms. It's freaky. It's gonna get inside someone. Imagine that getting all big and large and you know, sort of eating a small. That is wild. You know, I've heard them say,

I've read some articles on permafrost because, you know, because the climate is warming up, that a lot of this permafrost because you know because the the climate is warming up that a lot of this permafrost is melting and they're afraid that they're in may release ancient viruses yes that our bodies have no resistance and no immunity to you know that's hundreds of thousands of years old viruses that come out and you know like next thing you know where you know I always trip out when I hear some at 50,000 You like how how do they pinpoint down to that like it is it's carbon dating is how they do that right is that is that how they would How they do that with the word yeah, I know oh you know what they probably did with the worm is they probably dated the soil around it

Because I mean how you gonna date the worm that's what I'm saying couldn't have read down the rings I'm saying couldn't half read down the rings He fucking kill my big raid I just know what I read Adam's always I'm scientists know this yeah, they're like yeah his birthday was What the fuck how do you figure that out? 50,000 years old like I feel like it's just a bunch of old scientists nerds guys like taking taking like a random guess, like what do you think and they're just throwing numbers out, they're like, yeah, we'll go with that. Who's gonna tell us we're wrong?

Yeah, exactly. What's wrong with saying? Who's gonna argue with us? I am. I'm an argue with Fish and Bate. Yeah, I know up until then, or if this is the oldest living species, the oldest living animal currently I think was a shark, right, that they found in the waters of Greenland. Oh yeah, someone just shared that with us.

It was like hundreds of years old. 200 years old. 300 years old. It was 200 or 300. 268, I think it was someone shared it to us, right? It was the oldest shark, that's for sure. Dude, isn't that weird? Yeah, that's right.

Like, somebody, you know, 1800s could have like fed this shark. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. 272 years old. Wow. And as much as 512, huh? It does it still have two. That's a nice range. It's really good. How as much as 512, huh? It does it still have.

That's a nice range. That's a nice range. How did they come up with that range? Wonder what that shark has seen. I know, right? That's crazy. What's the oldest thing you guys have ever seen? Like not living, but the oldest.

Have you guys been to like Rome or? Oh yeah, like in Paris, like yeah, go into like seeing someone like the churches and things like that. Yeah, probably that. Like I mean, how old is Lou? That's pretty old too, right? The Lou stuff in the museum is incredibly,

I mean, there's stuff in there that's thousands of years old. Yeah, that's probably the oldest. Oh, I was immediately thinking like old growth redwoods, but that's boring. Yeah, yeah, that's cool, dude. That's pretty cool. I, I, I, I could ever, it always, nothing, I can literally look at something

that's old and stare at it for hours. I just imagine, you know, all the stuff that's been around it and what it's seen and stuff. Yeah, pretty wild. I have some controversial stuff that Doug loves for us. Oh, hell yeah. He always gets excited when we're in the room. Look at his face.

That's the face of someone who's excited. He's got his finger on the edit button right now. Oh, I just, this is more your wheelhouse style. And so I just, I want to have this discussion because I'm curious, right? Just the strategy and the thought process behind this. So this last week, uh, uh, Oakland mayor passed this deal

where he is, they're gonna give $500 to 50%, are people that are 50% below the poverty line. So people who are poor, yes. Really, really poor. Yeah, and I read deeper into this by the way, because I kinda mentioned, we mentioned it lightly off air before, and then I kind of went down the rabbit hole to kind of read more about it.

I think it's about 500 bucks a month. Yeah, it's 500 bucks a month, and it's the idea is that what's that call where the UBI? No, no, no, universal basic. Yeah, UBI, right? So that's the idea is they're testing that. And they did this, I guess, a year or a couple of years ago in Stockton, Stockton tried to do this before too. And now they're testing that. And they did this, I guess, a year or a couple of years ago in Stockton, Stockton tried to do this before too. And now they're trying to do it in addition. Now I know at the, the, the headlines, they got all the controversy was the, that it was excluding white people.

Yeah. But it, what I read deeper into it, and it doesn't fucking matter, it's gonna exclude a ton of people anyways. The math doesn't even make sense. So they've got like private money, and I want to say it was in like nine or $10 million or something like that.

And when you do the math on how many people are 50% below the poverty line, you can't even cover all the minorities, much less the white people. But one of the criteria is you have to be a minority. Yes, you can't be white. No, so if you're a poor white person, you're fucked. You're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked.

Yeah, yeah. So obviously, two thoughts on that. One, that's explicitly racist, so but we don't need to talk about that because it's obvious. If you're excluded from something explicitly in law because you're a gender or specific race, that is the definition of discrimination.

So let's cut that out for a second. Let's just talk about universal basic income. I like universal basic income as a replacement for our current welfare system, not in addition to you. I think that's ridiculous. If you add to the current bureaucracy and welfare system, it makes no sense. It's just gonna cost way more money

and it's not gonna help anybody really. Maybe in the short term, but definitely not in the long term. If you replace welfare, here's why I think it's just going to cost way more money and it's not going to help anybody really. It may be in the short term, but definitely not in the long term. If you replace welfare, here's why I think it's absolutely, it's a, it's a better option. First and foremost, people don't realize this, but the bureaucracy that administers and manages welfare, that means all the government agencies and regulation all that stuff costs a lot of money. So, I don't know what the number is, but just it's something along the lines of,

for every dollar that goes to someone in welfare, 50 cents goes to pay some person to manage it and administer it. It's a ridiculous waste of resources. So what I would do is I would cut that, eliminate all of that and just give people just go direct to them. Just give them cash.

So automatically you reduce, you save a ton of money. It's more efficient. And then the second reason is because I think if we're going to give people money, I think more often than not, there's going to be people who are going to spend it the way they want to and sure some people are going to spend it on stupid shit. But there are going to be some people who take it and invest it in business, pay for their kids school, pay for their education, and they're going to have a better opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty.

Now in theory, this sounds like a pretty good idea, but the more I think about it, it doesn't make that much sense because if you gave everybody $500 to it, I mean everybody, so you be I, right? So everybody... Well, the way I would do it would be like a negative income tax. So you down a certain level, then you start to get money. Not everybody. Not everybody.

No, it doesn't make sense to give Elon Musk, you know. Okay, so then only at a certain income level, they get it. But now, wouldn't that inevitably bring up milk and gas and everything up? You mean for inflation? Yeah. Not any more than the current welfare system. If anything, it would probably reduce it a little bit because, like I said, the wasteful aspects of it.

Yeah, inflation is always an issue, but if we take it from money that we've collected, it's not going to be as inflationary. Now, if we print money, that's when it gets really inflationary. But if it's collected through taxes, so with the negative income tax, the people paying the tax on it would pay for the people receiving it. One of the drawbacks with it is the same drawback you get with any system like that, which is you may incentivize people to never take care of themselves. And this is actually statistically true in many cases.

You see generations of people who, they lose their sense of meaning and purpose and they just collect their check and then it just they never lift themselves out of poverty or what. And we saw this, we saw this huge reduction in poverty until we implemented the great war on poverty. This was a thing that happened decades ago and then poverty stuck, it kind of stuck

and really didn't change after a while. But yeah, it saves money, which is why I like it kind of stuck and really didn't change after a while. But yeah, it saves money, which is why I like it. And I think it gives people more freedom. So I know that there's some people who are poor, who if you give them a check instead of telling them, we're going to give you some discounts and housing, some food stand. Some people will take that money and go and spend it wisely for themselves, because they know how to spend it better than for themselves, better than anybody else.

And then they'll lift themselves. That's my theory around the whole. Yeah, and I think, I mean, I'm totally on board with that. I think that's, you know, that would be a great way to see, like, the only thing is, is having a structured kind of plan for them to transition into, like, I don't know, I guess I was thinking of, something I saw with the homeless community,

where there was a program, where they actually had like a couple of steps involved where you get a certain amount per week, you get housing, and then if you show your efforts in a direction, you get job interviews, they kind of like level it out and tear it out so that way it kind of reintroduces you into society. I don't know that you know just giving money without any kind of program or plan, you know, we'll see like what that would do. So, now obviously the amount of people below poverty, because our population is rapidly growing, that would, it'd be obvious that is also by person growing too, right? So person to person, but percentage wise, that's what I want to know. It's about the same. It's not, it's about the same. Now, if you look at their real purchasing power,

they have increased in wealth as well. All levels of increased in wealth. So somebody today in poverty has way more than somebody, has way more purchasing power with what they have. Well, I mean, it was somebody 30 years ago. It was just a decade or two ago when you would have to be rich to own a flash screen TV. Right, so innovation has done to have a cell phone

where you see people, Hey, is somebody right now in lower middle class has more stuff than the gangus condit or the Emperor of Rome did because it didn't exist? Innovation has made these things available to people, to where you're obviously in context, you're obviously, you know, in context, you're lower in middle class, but you're still way better off than someone was 30, 40 years ago. But yeah, back to what you're saying, Justin, that's always the drawback.

However, you know, it gets in the way of that. Laws that actually tell companies and people that they can't pay people less than a certain amount because you price them out. You price them out. If the minimum wage is $10 and somebody's like, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna turn my life around. I got no skills, I got a prison record.

Exactly, I was gonna say, this is where like X-Cons have such a difficult time, like even living outside of being in prison. Yeah, so you're gonna go to a job and you're competing for $10 or $15 an hour, that company has really no incentive to hire you, give you a chance. But if you go there and you say,

look, I know everybody right now is asking for 10, I'll do it for five. Now the company's like, oh, you know what? Let's see what happened. Then you start to build a career shot. Yes, yes, and it gives them that opportunity. So that's one of the things that kind of annoys me. I would like to see a lot more.

Yeah, speaking of cool stuff, some studies came out on CBD showing that it improved cognition in people with Alzheimer's and it reduced the amyloid plaque buildup that is one of the things that causes the issues with Alzheimer's. So CBD and cannabinoids in particular may be a treatment. Now you've been following this space for a really long time. Are you seeing the amount of research just like, is it rapidly growing? I feel like you mentioned CBD stuff now,

like studies that are coming out. You know, here's a thing. And they weigh better than what they were, just five times. Absolutely. You know, here's one of the wonderful things about cannabinoids, and there's a lot of them, by the way. It's not just CBD.

You know, that's why if you ever use a cannabinoids, and there's a lot of them, by the way. It's not just CBD. You know, that's why if you ever use a cannabinoid product, you wanna get something that's what they'll call full spectrum, right? It's like the whole plant, because they all work better together. You don't wanna isolate one, because you really minimize the potential benefits. You want something that has them all.

But the studies are remarkable. And really, if you wanna think about this way, I've heard it explained by some scientists in the field, I thought this was a brilliant explanation. The cannabinoid system is like a light dimmer switch. Okay, so a light you turn it on or off. So it's bright or it's dark.

What cannabinoids do is they activate this system in the body that will dim the light or turn it up. So what does that mean? That means if you have an autoimmune disorder, let's say you have Crohn's disease where your own immune system is hyper reactive and attacking itself, then it would dim the immune system a little bit

to prevent this from happening. So now when you say that, so I have an autoimmune, right? My psoriasis is considered an autoimmune. I know certain things flare it up, like say if I eat excessive amounts of sugar or dairy or gluten. So are you saying to me that theoretically I should be able to say I did one of those things that would offend that, right? If I took the full spectrum hemp with that, it should mitigate it. It should be less bad on my, so I should see less of a flare up because of that.

Potentially, but it's more of a long-term effect. So it would be like if you're using it on a relatively regular basis. Oh, because there's a buildup. Yeah, so it's not like a acute effect. There is an acute effect. If you take CBD, you do felt chill, relax a lot of stuff.

But then over time, you start to see these kinds of effects. Right, I was gonna ask you in terms of like, in the study, was it real high concentrated doses or was this over a long period of time with just, you know, kind of regular dose? You know, that's a good question, I should look that up. I do know that CBD and a lot of these studies is used at pretty high doses in 25 milligrams,

50 milligrams, very safe for most people, very, very safe for most people. very, very safe for most people. It can affect how your liver processes certain drugs. So you might want to make sure if you're on other medications, if it's not going to change the half-life or whatever they call it of the medication. But yeah, I'll look that up and I'll get that number 40. But yeah, it's remarkable because we're dealing with a lot of chronic Shit in modern societies and the medicines that we create are just like symptom control, you know Nothing really like I was saying with the immune system people with you know

Immune systems that are depressed. They show that CBD ramps it up So it's like it balances you up. This is what's so promising about you know that space and also with mushrooms as well Like they have these sort of adaptogenic type properties where they can work, you know, in tandem with certain medications and other treatments that you're doing. Yeah, I remember years ago when I was really getting into this, I remember thinking how bullshit it sounded. Like, oh, so cannabinoids help everything. Like that sounds like snake oil.

Totally. But when you look at the receptors that it attaches to, they're one of the most abundant in the body. They're found everywhere. And so if it's like a light dimmer switch for the whole body, well then it's gonna balance thing out. So this is why if you take people's experience,

for example, we work with a company called Ned and they have the hemp oil, the messages I'll get from people range from, it chills me out to it gives me energy. You think, how is that possible? Because it's that balancing thing. So it just makes you feel better.

And if that means you need a little more energy, or if that means you need to be a little more relaxed, then you'll probably get what you're kind of looking for. Very interesting. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance at the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com.

That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from M. Lou Weber working from home, getting steps in is much more of a challenge. If I have an hour at the gym, should I lift the entire time or sacrifice 15 to 20 minutes to get some steps in for the day, what serves me more? Okay, so they both have value.

Wait, they're going to serve you more. Yeah, if you had to pick one, pick the resistance training, you're still being active while doing the resistance training, but you're also simultaneously sending a very beneficial adaptation signal to body, which is build muscle, which burns more calories, makes you more insulin-sensitive, balances out your hormones more,

it's just gonna serve you better. Now, that being said, you should do that and add steps if possible, because being active is just good. The only way I see this question even makes sense is if somebody's like on this very strict time or straight, they have lunch. They have a lunch break and that's when they normally

work out and so it's like 12 to 1, that's they have to get in, get out. If I have clients like this, so they follow a resistance training program in that window. And then I try and get them to, hey, when you get home from work, how about go for, before you just stop with your day, go for a half hour walk, or extend your walk with your dog,

or walk with your spouse. Part really far away. And like, yeah, have more strategies that you can implement where it promotes more activity in different parts of your day. Yeah, because I would, I wouldn't, I wouldn't ever allow a client give me the either or, right? It's like, I'm either gonna do this or I'm gonna do that, which one I'm only gonna do one.

It's like, no, that they both should be in your lifestyle. Yeah, so I actually had a few clients like this. They were executives and they were very like, no, I only had the time to come to you and then the rest of the time, I'm at my desk, and that's it. I actually did a couple experiments with them. And I said, let's try something.

So let's try something because, and they were very science-heavy kind of people. So I pulled up studies to show that productivity improves through activity. So I said, you're obviously very serious about your job. I said, let's do a test. Here's what I want you to do. Every hour, take a 10 minute activity break.

So every hour, take 10 minutes and just go for a walk, walk the office, walk around outside. At the end of the day, see if you've been more productive or less productive at how do you feel. And every single person that did this said that they got more done, they were more creative and they had a better day at work. So it's funny because taking the time out to do that,

you think I'm losing that time, but the reality is you get more time in terms of productivity and creativity Because when you're working it's not about I mean we you know we've all owned companies I don't care how many hours you clock in I care about what you did That's right, you know so the outcome yeah, so you eight hours But you did one hour work of worth of work your fire isn't there? There's a there's a study they did on that right then they do, I don't know if it was a survey or an actual study of like the average eight-hour person that works at the amount of productivity. It's actually like, yeah, I wonder what that, the average of like,

how long you can, you can keep your focus on one specific thing. That's why you're, you're seeing a lot of success with some of these companies since COVID that did like, you know, even before COVID happened, you saw some, I think Microsoft did it where they, they got rid of Fridays, where it's a four day, four day work week, you saw some, I think Microsoft did it, where they got rid of Fridays, where you said, four day work week, where you're working longer hours, and they found an increase in productivity. I think the average person who works

the five, eight hour day shift, I think it said two or three. We filled up with fluff. Yeah, you're on your surf and social media. Yeah, when I'm writing or doing something like that requires me to sit down and be intense, if I get up and do a trigger session in every couple hours or whatever, way more productive.

Way more productive. Way more done. So it's actually when I'm stuck and I'm in a train of thought and I can't move forward or like I need to come up with something, I have to go for a walk and then it just takes some time. It comes.

Movement, movement, stimulates, creative thought. 100% does. It does. Think about your best idea. Also increases mood too. I mean, that way better mood after you move around. Absolutely. Think about some of your best ideas.

They usually come from you moving and then kind of being present. So you're there in the shower or you're walking and you're just kind of looking around, not distracted. Oh man, I got this idea. Oh, I figured out this thing. I don't know. The chair's pretty good for that too.

You and the mom and are brilliant ideas there. Are you in the moment when you're taking a poop? Yeah. Oh, I'm pretty sure I started a few companies in there, dude. Adam, this new company is the shivers. They weren't successful, but you have no idea, Sal. They went right in the toilet, but it's all good. It is the sh**.

Yeah. Next question is from Ali Greenway. Is counting your weekly calories just as effective as tracking your daily caloric intake? Yeah, to an extent, right? If it's extreme, like, let's say your total weekly calories is 14,000 calories, you eat them all in one day and the rest of the day you don't eat anything, then probably not. But here's why I like weekly calories over daily calories. It mimics real life more.

So what I mean by that is real life, you don't eat the same exact macros and calories every single day. That's how bodybuilders and competitors eat. And it's very monotonous. It's not a great relationship. It's way more neurotic that way too. Totally.

Totally to keep tracking every single day. And you know, yeah, this does allow for a little bit of spill over. And you know, you have a little bit more of a high day, a little bit more of a low day. a little bit more of a low day, but I mean, you gotta be definitely paying attention stills gonna add up to you. Yeah, I like it better.

I like it better. I like having high days and low days. Again, it mimics real life. I can listen to my hunger cues, my energy. I can room my body. Yeah, some day, oh, I'm gonna go Saturdays. I like to go out to dinner with my wife. So that's a higher calorie day and whatever.

If you do it like that, I think it's better both behaviorally. I also think it's better metabolically. In my experience, I get better results when it's not the same every single day. Well, our bodies and our metabolism existed before time and days and weeks, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, that's one of the things

I always try and get my clients out of like, we have, we've structured our whole lives around these schedules of Monday through Friday and that these hours in a day and like, we have, we've structured our whole lives around these schedules of Monday through Friday and that these hours and a day and like, none of that stuff is, we made it up. You know what I'm saying? Before that, we had a metabolism and we had things, and you still burn calories, right? It doesn't know by a clock what how you are going to burn or not burn.

So I do like the idea of paying attention over, over a week versus, you know, being hung up on every single day, every single meal. It's just honestly though, the best answer to this is it's whatever works best for you. Whatever one that you will do the most consistently, right? So if you're somebody who will be more consistent with paying attention to these things and actually watching it, tracking it,

and you do better by just adding it up at the end of the week and then evaluating how much exercise you did and say, oh, I'm in a surplus, so I'm in a deficit, then by all means do that. If you're somebody who needs to hold yourself accountable on more of a daily basis, then I understand that also. So you could take these stretches out for a month, you can go months at a time.

You know, it's funny though, physiologically speaking, they've done studies on bodybuilders have done this forever, but now they have studies to support why bodybuilders have had this kind of experience, where they compared people dieting and one group did the same calories deficit consistently. The other group had a deficit and then would have like a week or a few days where they'd eat more and then they go back to a deficit type of deal, kind of like bodybuilders,

refeed days or whatever. And they found that the people that increased the calories ever so often actually did better. They kept more muscle and burned more body fat. So physiologically speaking, there may be something there. I speak more of the behavioral aspect. I think it's superior for most people, behaviorally, and I think that's the most important thing to focus on anyway.

Next question is from Sebastian Ortiz. How do I train for aesthetics while staying detached from my body image? Oh yeah, this is a good one. You know, it's, you can't not do something. So in other words, you can't say to yourself, don't focus on aesthetics, like what does that look like? Rather, take your focus and move it to something else.

Do that first. And the most effective thing I've seen with clients, and even with myself, to get them to stop focusing so much on how they look, is to focus on their performance. The reason why I like performance is it's objective, so you're either stronger, you either can do more reps, or you can't. It's also, now you can get obsessive in this direction too,

however, for the most part, if you're getting stronger and more fit, you're doing a lot of things right, right? You're doing a lot of things right. You could lose weight and do a lot of things wrong, but getting stronger and more fit, typically you're doing things, most things, right? So take your focus from aesthetics and focus purely on performance

and have some fun with that. And then from there, you can move to detachment. Now, do you not believe that you can be objective and pay attention to watching yourself build or lose muscle too though? How hard that is for me. I mean, the reason why I want to bring that up is because I know we talk so much in this,

like always pushing people in this direction of like, you know, don't focus on aesthetics, focus on performance. Yet, when I was competing, I was not focused on performance. I was focused 100% on a stage. I know, but I don't want to make people think that they can't go work in that direction. You don't have to look at yourself in the mirror and objectively say, I've been working on my shoulders and I can see they are more developed now.

Because of the work that I put in, I have grown my shoulders by an extra inch for every body part and be objective about it and not identify with, I am small or I am big or I am fat or I am skinny. Like, you are not those things, but you can objectively look at your physique and say, I'm following Maps Esthetic and I picked my shoulders and my calves

as my areas of focus and I've been good on my diet and I've been watching and I'm following Maps aesthetic and I picked my shoulders and my calves as my areas of focus And I've been good on my diet and I've been watching and I could objectively say they grew yeah So it's it's a nut that's the next I would say that would be the next step right because when you can get to that point Where you can look in the mirror and in say to yourself? I've been treating my body good I've been treating my body well. I've been taking care of myself. I can see the physical you know reality of that Then you're doing great. The problem is everybody identifies with most people do. Without them, I was gonna say some sort of in between

of what you guys had mentioned. And in terms of following a very specific program to the team, trusting the process, but maybe not so much being neurotic about like checking in the mirror and maybe not like incorporating that as a part of it, just going through a really good thought out program that's not like you're in there trying to guesstimate and really hyper focus on these body parts as much as you're doing

all the work, you're putting in the work, and then coming in with a checkup at the end of the month, and then starting to bring that side in a little bit more. Yeah, you know, it's funny, the irony is, right? The people that I've known who more consistently detached from body image are the super obese. Now, they don't do it because they're being healthy about it. They do it rather because they're trying,

they don't want to see the reality. They're avoiding it. They're avoiding it. Have you guys ever, I've trained so many people. Of course I've had clients that have told me literally that said, Adam, I haven't looked in a mirror in five years. Yes. I remember the first time I heard that,

it blew my mind. Like, wait, you don't brush your teeth, no, I don't brush my teeth. I don't have the lights on when I get a dress or dress. I can do it in the dark and then I don't look in the mirror. I heard that and I couldn't believe when I heard that, but it makes perfect sense because I used to think to myself, how do you become a hundred pounds overweight?

Don't you see when you're getting there? No, they actually detach from it so effectively I don't believe when I heard that, but it makes perfect sense because I used to think to myself, how do you become a hundred pounds overweight? Don't you see, you know, when you're getting there? No, they actually detach from it so effectively that they don't even move it. They've completely removed it. So, very interesting. Yeah, I definitely think there's a way you can do this and not, you just have to know that you're potentially playing with fire because most of us are driven to the gym by our insecurities.

Yeah. So, if you know that and you're aware of that and then you're obsessing over the way your body is looking or not looking, then yeah, this is definitely a rabbit hole you don't want to go down. But I also think that if you've been lifting for a long time and you're focused mainly on health, but you say, hey, you know what? I really want to challenge myself this year and I'm going to build a body that, like,

I think I can do that. I think I can get abs. I think I can build these shoulders and these arms, and I'm going to follow this, and I'm going to stay consistent and see what I can do. I think there is nothing wrong with doing that, and being very objective about, are you doing a good job or not going to do your job?

Just don't allow yourself to identify with that. That's who I am. I'm either weak or I'm small or I'm big or I'm buff or I'm not. It's just a result of have you been consistent with what your plan that you put in place. Next question is from so for all training. Did you have any strategies in your personal training business to create efficiency or automation

when working with and managing a lot of clients at once? This is a good question, and because in some ways automation improves your service and your value, and in other ways, I've seen trainers automate, and it reduce their value that they provide clients. So I think it's smart. If you want to be a really effective trainer, what I mean by effective is you really change people's lives, you really get them to create a lifelong good relationship

with exercise and nutrition. If that's what you wanna do, you should automate the business side of what you're doing, which is managing their payments, managing, when they're paying, they're scheduling that kind of stuff, but never automate their training or their nutrition. Because then you lose the individualization and you lose the on-the-fly ability to manage and change,

as people's feelings and attitudes and lifestyle type of change. I've seen trainers automate everything, and then it becomes nothing more than just a... Well, I've seen a couple different strategies, like in order to be more efficient, a lot of times they'll end up doing small groups, they'll stack some of their clients together and trying,

but you have to realize just inevitably your services can go down just a bit because you're not hyper focused on the individual. Now you have a couple of people to account for, and it might work for a while, but it just depends on your business model. Maybe that's part of your business model. Maybe even group training is something you're trying to lead into. I went the other direction.

I went in reducing and providing more value. I started looking at the price point that I was putting out for each client, and that became sort of a barrier. So that way I could slow down a bit, provide better service, and then I got a better result out of my client because there's more buy-in and plus my business flourish.

So I like the way that you, and I'd love you to explain how you did it. I love the way you charged your client because the traditional model is clients by packages of sessions. So, you know, 10 sessions for, you know, $1,000 or 20 sessions for whatever, but you did it so that they paid you monthly, right? Yeah, they paid monthly a flat fee, and basically, you know, I gave them two options, so that way they're either part-time or they're full-time,

and so this requires them to commit to any of scheduled, you know, days that were marked in the calendar that they They show up or they don't show up. I'm gonna be there And if I'm not there, I'm paying them back or I'm like, you know, pro rating it or whatever that is but It takes the accountability It puts it back on the client and that way too. I can be I can have consistent revenue each month that you know I can account for. So part time would be like, I pay this much, and I can come see you two days a week. Full time is like two to three times per week versus full time was, you know, I was going

up. I think that's really brilliant. So I love this question. And there's been like several things in my career that I think I got better at as far as my organization and how do I manage better at as far as my organization and how do I manage so many, you know, scaling up on how many clients from 10 to 20 to 30 plus. The best thing that I ever did, and it took me a long, this wasn't even that long ago,

it was just shortly before mine pump started, did I really get this, and the reason why I was able to do this is because we are now, and this is why I love all the tools and the apps and things like that. Now, to Salis Point, I agree fully automating some things like that that just they need a personal touch are so important and you may decrease the value in your service if you try and automate everything. But what I used to do as a trainer is I used to do all the legwork, the tracking, the writing down, I was the one doing all that, and I used to do all the legwork, the tracking, the writing down, the, you know, I was the one doing all that, and I flipped that on its head towards the end of my career,

where I began holding them responsible to deliver all that information to me. That was a huge game changer for me as far as time suck. It also weeded out the not serious clients. If you were not willing to weigh yourself in the morning at night, you were not willing to add put your food in your food app every single night. If you were not willing to track your steps every single day for me and you log all of that information and then deliver it to me, then you weren't, I wasn't going to train you. If you did all those things, it made my job extremely easy. Then all I had to do was sit down, assess in a week, see where her weight has gone up

or down and what she exactly ate, look at her food logs, and then we could in one session, I could critique that entire week, I could educate and teach, I can drive the programming from there. Do I need to increase intensity? Do I need to lower it and modify it? Do I need to increase steps from there? Do I need to bump up her calories? And she had to do all the tracking for me.

I didn't do any of it and you bring it to me. And then that allowed me to take on way more people than the old version where I'm riding everything down. I'm measuring everything. I'm weighing and doing all these things. I'm the one who's like riding the diets out and the plans out like nah. I got away from all that.

When we talked on the podcast a long time ago, I talked about how I used to make clients track their food for a week or two before I would even start their session. And that was first to get, are you even serious enough to track your food for a week if you're even considering working with me? And a lot of people, honestly,

that weeds out like 50%. 50% of the people won't even, and I always know they're not that serious. It's like, I'm not even charging you yet. And I can't even get you to write out your food for a week and you're telling me you really wanna learn and you really wanna figure this out. Like, no, that client's gonna cause

is gonna be so much work for me to try and help them. If they can't even help themselves for the first week. So that right there really, really helped me. Now, this speaks to the experienced trainer who has a lot of value and has the ability to still have a business while weeding people out. Right. Now the new trainer might not have that luxury. That's, I mean, that's, that's the thing. That's why I question like this. I like a question like this, but you have to understand there's, that's why I met there's. When you first started, I took everybody. I took everybody, it didn't matter.

The day you become more efficient. Didn't matter how inconsistent you were. I needed the experience, I needed to build my book. And that's a good thing too, right? Like if you're just getting started as a trainer, you don't wanna come off as pompous and like, oh, I only take those serious people. I don't know what you're doing anyway.

Yeah, you don't know what the fuck you're doing anyways. You need practice, you need practice, you need headaches, you need all that bullshit. You know, like Gary V says, each shit for nine years. Go through all that process for a while. Then when you get that down, then you can start to do things like this where you, like Justin, moved to a super high class people

that are spending top dollar. That did not happen for a while. Yeah, you can do that in your life. It took everybody for years. Yeah, you're one, you can't say, oh, you can only work with me if you have five or seven grand budget a month. Like, yeah, get out of here. Not a lot of trainers can do that in your own. I took everybody for years. Yeah, your one, you can't say, oh, you can only worry about me if you have five or seven grand budget a month. Like, yeah, get out of here.

Not a lot of trainers can do that. You gotta wait till you figure it out, you get the timing, you know all the nuances involved, and then you start looking back at what's gonna benefit my business the most, how can I structure that, how can I get buy-in from, you know, potential new prospects, and then you go from there. Well, I do believe though, even if you're a new trainer,

you can move in the direction that I'm talking about. You just might be a little more flexible on still taking somebody. So maybe where I'm more of a hard ass from, so I'm sorry, I'm not even gonna take you, maybe you still take them and try and move them along and you learn from them and they learn from you. But you definitely can, I mean, we have all these tools now.

It's not that expensive to get something that tracks your steps. There is my fitness pal, fat secret apps that are super easy to use. Most everybody has access to like a scale. I mean, we all can text back and forth so easily. So we can, and this wasn't like this 20 years ago. 20 years ago we didn't have all this. We had binders and files, and we had to write everything down.

A lot of this stuff can be tracked right in your phone, and you put a lot of the responsibility, because here's the deal. Well, they learn from it. And they also have to do this rest of their life. They've got to do this rest of their life. At one point or another, they've got to learn to start doing this.

And what you mean by the rest of your life, by the way, for listeners are like, oh my God, I have to add my food up every say, no, no, no, no, no. You do, you do at first to learn what's in food. After a little while, though, you can tell what's in a chicken breast. No, where you're getting your carbs and you can, it's just to bring to have a baseline first.

Yeah, just you're going to school for a little while. That's right. Yeah, my strategy was a little bit different towards the end. I, similar though, right? I still took almost anybody who wanted to hire me, but if they weren't consistent, didn't show up, I just took them off the schedule. And I'd tell them that.

I'd say, look, here's a deal. You missed two workouts. It seems like this is real tough for you to show up right now. So I'm gonna take you off the schedule, but you, because I have other people I can put in that time, you let me know when you're ready to come back.

And that usually would weed people out or they would start to show up and that usually would weed people out or they would start to show up and be a little more consistent. The reason why that was my strategy was I tried to meet people where they were because I found that I actually found success when I would get the occasional client who didn't want to do anything else,

but show up once a week. I don't want to do anything else, but I'll show up once a week. And over time, I had a few clients that I did this with, over time they came two days a week, three days a week, did it on the run, and then they started to really make those changes. But yeah, if you're showing those signs of whatever,

obviously, I'm not gonna waste my time. And so I just say, well, okay, I used to do that, text them. Listen, you missed another workout or 20 minutes late. I'm gonna take you off the schedule. Let me know, I'm gonna put someone else there. You let me know when you're ready to come back. And usually they would come back, sometimes I'd never hear from them again,

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