Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1528: The Truth About the Afterburn Effect of Cardio, the Minimum Cardio Needed for a Healthy Heart & Lungs, the Benefits of Working Out Barefoot & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just tuned into the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast in the world. Congratulations. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered four fitness and health questions that were asked by listeners and viewers just like you,

Starting point is 00:00:25 but we opened the episode with an intro portion. So when we talk about current events, talk about scientific studies, we talked about UFOs today, again, and we brought up some of our sponsors. Here's a rundown of today's podcast, The Intro, was 49 minutes long. We open up by talking about injuries,

Starting point is 00:00:41 comparing injuries, who do you think has been the most injured, and why is it Justin? I totally win. Then we talked about Easter. We had a nice Easter holiday with our families. We talked about healthy snacks, and that led us to talking about magic spoon cereal. Magic spoon cereal has no sugar.

Starting point is 00:00:57 It's high in protein, and tastes like those cereals you ate when you were a kid. It's delicious. No joke, it's good stuff. Go check them out, use the Mind Pump discount. Go to magicspoon.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code, mind pump, and get a little bit of a hookup. Then we talked about the movie, Godzilla versus King Kong.

Starting point is 00:01:14 It just came out. And Justice League. We watched them, and we give our reviews. Then we talked about a UFO that broke the sound barrier, but it didn't have a sonic boom. And I gave a little lesson on physics. It was pretty cool. Then we talked about how-

Starting point is 00:01:27 I've watched a YouTube for that one. Yeah, then we talked about how Facebook got hacked. So your, all those puppy and cat pictures you like, now the people know about. Then we talked about security video hackers from China who are watching you have sex and then selling your videos online. We talked about a talk about a local restaurant that was breaking the rules.

Starting point is 00:01:46 I shortly brought up how Jiu Jitsu is now gonna be in the Olympics, which is awesome. Then we talked about Felix Gray blue blocker glasses. These are the best looking blue blocker glasses you'll find anywhere and they don't change the color of the world around you. They're still clear, but they're also effective. Go check them out, go use our link, Go to FelixGrayGlasses.com.

Starting point is 00:02:07 That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com forward slash mind pump. Then we got into the questions. The first question, this person says, look, what's the deal with epoch? That's the calories you burn after you exercise. Not epoch. What form of exercise is the best for that? The second question, this person says,

Starting point is 00:02:25 look, I've been listening to you guys for a while. I'm trying to cut down on cardio. How much cardio should I do for heart health though? I know it's good for that. The third question, this person says, I might want to work out barefoot. What are the benefits? And how do I do that?

Starting point is 00:02:37 And the fourth question, this person doesn't really get hungry. Wants to know if it's okay if they don't eat that much on one day, if they make it up for it on the next day. Also this month, right, we're getting close to summer, so we're putting some promotions forth, some programs on sale that'll help you get lean for summer. So the first program on sale is Maps on Obolic. 50% off, this is our most popular workout program. The second thing that's on sale is our shredded summer bundle, which is multiple

Starting point is 00:03:05 programs. So it includes maps aesthetic, maps prime, maps hit, and the intuitive nutrition guide. Also 50% off. Go check them both out. Go to maps fitness products.com and then use the code April special, no space for the discount. Doug, can you pull up the Hanson Brothers H-A-N-S-O-N from the movie Slap Shot? I wanna show... I'm talking about the band. He had the band. No, not...

Starting point is 00:03:31 Scat by dude. I don't know. Oh, that's the three time one. No, it's two. What are you talking about? These guys look like Justin does right now. In fact, I feel like Justin could be in this lineup and be one of the brothers.

Starting point is 00:03:41 What? Doug has to pull up the picture. What are they in? It's a movie called Slap Shot, if for 1977. Oh. Look at this right here. this lineup and be one of the brothers. What? Doug has to pull up the picture. What are they in? What are they in? It's a movie called Slapshot for a 1977. Oh. Look at this right here. Tell me, tell me, tell me, watch.

Starting point is 00:03:51 A romance flick? No, tell me just a, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember this now. Did you really? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that, I just need a mullet. Pull up that middle one or I don't know, one of those, just enlarge that, because it looks

Starting point is 00:04:00 like Justin could totally fit. Not just because of the glasses and the, yeah, mainly because they're like missing teeth and they're bleeding. Yeah, it looks like Justin could totally fit, not just because of the glasses and the mainly because they're like missing teeth and they're bleeding. Yeah, it looks like Justin would totally fit in. They'd be like best buds. Oh, yeah. We just did, we just fought someone. Yeah. We just did hockey. Bunch of tough stuff. You say did hockey? That's a, I believe that's a sport.

Starting point is 00:04:18 That's in the like the top five all-time hockey movies. Is it really? I believe so. I've never seen it. Is it good? Oh, you've never seen it. I've never seen it. Is it good? Oh, you've never seen it? I've only seen this picture and then Justin right now reminded me of that picture.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Justin, you've seen it. Because it's like glasses. Well, I think it's like glasses and like you said, the injuries. Oh, yeah. Because I feel like you're almost broken nose if you guys haven't, you know, been able to check that out. You've broken us? Is that what you're talking about?

Starting point is 00:04:44 No way. There's a lot of you know. You know I that out. You've broken us? Is that what you're talking about? You're talking about your face? No way. There's a lot. You know, I'm wrong, but that's one thing. Hold on a second. Your nose is pretty damn good for being broken. Well, I told you, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I know what, it's crazy with that. I was at a Limp Biscuit concert of all things. And I was on mushrooms. And you weren't? Yeah, I was like walking around. And like everything was way too heightened.

Starting point is 00:05:12 And I was bumping in to everybody. And like, next thing happens, I'm in a fight. And then I'm fighting some guy. On mushrooms? Yeah. And then somebody comes out and no, and just clocks from the side like I didn't see it coming And my nose went all the way over to the side and I just basically was just bleeding and then I just I decided to do it myself

Starting point is 00:05:32 And just pulled it real slowly over and then jess in in front of the mirror and then finally I got it straight So did you feel all the like the bone in everything? Are you serious? Yeah, how many broken bones have you had? Let's see. So I've broke my right arm twice. I've sliced a bunch of things. I've had a few concussions. Yeah, I almost sliced my big toe off. I stepped on this nail that basically,

Starting point is 00:05:58 my whole leg got infected from it because this like flesh eating bacteria got inside. And so I was in the hospital for 10 days, just draining that. So I've had some fun. Too much flesh to eat for the bacteria. Yeah. So it gave up. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:11 I killed it. Yeah. What about you Adam? Have you broken in? No, no broken bones, no stitches. Towards some ligaments though. Yeah. You messed up your knee and then I'll came later though, right?

Starting point is 00:06:22 So that didn't happen until it's when you got old. Yeah, my late 20s. So as a kid, I didn't have any broken bones, no stitches, nothing like that. Yeah, I've never broken a bone, but I separated my AC joint stitches on the head and then dislocated my knee. Okay.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Remind me what the shoulder thing was. I know that's why you don't ever bench press, but why would you, what happened? You know, it actually was from Jiu-Jitsu. I posted back behind me and it pushed my shoulder forward and so the AC joint right? That's where the the chalde the clavicle meets where the scapula is Separated and doctors like well, you might be able to rehab it But you got to have to stop jiu jitsu you got to stop working out you got to do blah blah blah

Starting point is 00:06:59 And I'm like how fast if you did the surgery. I was two I was young so I was dumb So I had them resect it so I don't have an AC joint So going if you were to do it again, you wouldn't you did the surgery, I was young, so I was dumb. So I had them resect it. So I don't have an AC joint. So going if you were to do it again, you wouldn't have done the surgery. I would have tried, you know why? Because in fact, I was having this conversation with my cousin, because he dislocated his shoulder

Starting point is 00:07:13 a few weeks ago, snowboarding. And he said that the doctor told him that his shoulder is gonna be really easy to dislocate now, because when it comes out of the capsule or whatever, it starts to create kind of a path. And I said, look, I said, I don't have an AC joint here. It's definitely not a stable, is my right. But because I've built so much musculature around it and worked on the stability, it's not that huge of a difference. So I said, you can, you can probably do that, or at least you should try to do it.

Starting point is 00:07:42 That's like the only move really is to try and create stability through like building your muscles out and like mobility. That's it makes it makes a huge difference. And I would be more stable than someone who had an AC joint without that support. Yeah, is my point or whatever. How's everybody's Easter? Really good. Yeah, yeah, I heard you actually saw the boring.

Starting point is 00:07:59 Oh, yeah. I was just boring. Was it really? Did you go to church? Did you go to church? We didn't go this time. We did a virtual thing. I mean, does that count? Do the virtual ones count?

Starting point is 00:08:08 No, it does count. Yeah, so my dad just had knee surgery. And so he had a walker and then my grandma who's like 97, had a walker. And so we tried to get them to race. Yeah, so that was kind of fun. That's smart, but that was it. Hey, grandma, go as fast as you can in that walker.

Starting point is 00:08:24 Let's see what happens. That's smart, but that was it. Hey grandma, go as fast as you can in that water. That's what happens. That's as much excitement as we had. I mean, I put the eggs out and stuff for the kids to hunt for them and all that. So that was good. Now, your kids are a little older. Do you put, still candy or do you put money? Money.

Starting point is 00:08:36 Yeah. And every egg, or do you have a money egg? No, you could do a money egg, but we don't do every egg. Yeah, you do every egg, but it's just like coins. And then we do, the big golden egg is like five bucks, you know? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's good. Sort of the kids get no candy or limited amount of candy.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Like what's the candy rolls with you guys? No, they had, so they had candy at my house. So we do our own little thing like beforehand. And Everett is like, he was convinced that he had to have catberry eggs of all things, because like we hyped him up Some somehow and I had to I had to run around and try and find Cadbury eggs It's hard to find them like not really yeah, not every grocery store has that what were they sold out or something?

Starting point is 00:09:15 Yeah, like I was totally late to the party But I went to like six different stores and I'm like driving around all night You know if you want to eat the white in the Cadbury, it's just better for you. Whatever, whatever. No, I love Cadbury. One of my, and I like peeps a lot. My, I really met some of my family for the first time in person. Oh, awesome.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah, because, you know, because of COVID and all that. He hadn't seen everybody. So it was, it was an emotional time to see everybody, you know, people start to get together again and you could tell everybody missed each other so much. Oh yeah. And it was just that they're eating him up. Oh yeah, I was such a big deal.

Starting point is 00:09:49 He loves attention to you, loves being around people. So it was, it was good. It was good. It was good for the soul, you know what I mean? How about you Adam? Yeah, I was, I did, first Saturday we did my family, so we drove up to my mom. My mom was all up in Sonora now. So it was a three hour drive and she was upset we didn't spend the night

Starting point is 00:10:06 because normally we would spend the night and then go to church the next morning with her. So we didn't do that. We came back, drove back later that night and then we did Easter with Katrina's family yesterday. So it was good. It was nice, you know, at what I was really happy, especially Katrina's family,

Starting point is 00:10:22 because they go all out like with Easter and every kid has tons of baskets and candy and stuff. And I was really proud. Like everybody like respected what I had said before about not giving them any candy. Oh really? Yeah, no candy. So he just got a shit ton of toys. Yeah, so now you're like I had three baskets full of like toys and trinkets. But no candy. Nobody tried to give them any candy. No one was. Nobody slipped him candy when you weren't looking. Yeah, yeah, so I really appreciate that because it was like the last six months has been a hard conversation around that

Starting point is 00:10:53 because he's getting to that age where he's curious and he's looking at all that stuff, although he's not at the point where he can ask for it, it really knows what it is. But and everybody is just so tempted. They want to be the one to give it to him and see the reaction. It's so funny to me, right? They want to be the one to give it to them and see the reaction. It's so funny to me, right?

Starting point is 00:11:07 They want to be the special one. Yeah. Katrina told me too, because we talk about this all the time, just like with the different foods, like introducing to him. And she goes, you know, the other day, I let Max like taste a Dorito. And she goes, it was so crazy to watch his reaction. She give him like just this little like little taste of it

Starting point is 00:11:26 Just to see what he would do and she goes he literally and this is he's not like this with food like if he's playing and doing his thing He'll come over he'll buy done something go back. She goes he was so infatuated with that that he stopped everything He was doing it was like nagging at her for more. Oh no, she goes to nacho one. Yes, it does matter. And so she goes, yeah, it was just really eye opening for me, she goes to see how powerful that is on his little brain, because up into that point, he hasn't had any real processed foods. Yeah, this has been, you know, whole natural foods. The MRI studies on, they do these FMRI studies

Starting point is 00:12:00 where they're watching the brain with blood flow and how it's reacting or whatever as someone's thinking something or doing something, and they do this with processed foods, and it lights the brain up in very similar ways to hard drugs like cocaine. Well, and I imagine if they do that, and I don't know those studies,

Starting point is 00:12:17 if those studies are mainly on adults, but I can imagine that just like drugs, right, after you've tried drugs or done drugs, several times your body is adapted to it, so I imagine that the just like drugs right after you've tried drugs or done drugs several times your body is Adapted to it so I imagine that the brain doesn't light up the same as the very first time That you do something like that so I imagine when a kid Has something like that that's novel that his brain's got to be going like and then she said she saw that she goes You know you could just see it instantly. He's never acted that way with food. He's not

Starting point is 00:12:42 Clawing at it and want more of it like that. He's normally like that whatever with food. He's not clawing at it and wanting more of it. Like that, he's normally like, whatever he eats and then he moves along. Because when you're young, your brain is so plastic, so it's still, once you reach a certain age, there's a percentage of your brain that no longer is super plastic. This is why when you learn the language after a certain age, you have an accent forever.

Starting point is 00:13:01 But if Max, you could teach him five languages, he'll speak all of them fluently with no accent because the brain is so, so you gotta imagine eating those foods that are like so engineered to do that. They have to change, I would imagine they have to change the brain in fundamental ways, you know? 100%.

Starting point is 00:13:17 I mean, you're talking about decades of research and development on making these things so powerfully addicting. Yeah. it's incredible. Yeah, I don't know if I told you guys, but I was at my, I don't know if I shared this on the pie, I share it with my, my buddies wife tried to give him like a sucker. And I like kind of kind of snapped on her. She's like, one lady, you were a smacked. So we, it was the weekend before we had my, my, my godsson just turned through. No, no, no. And you know, where you smack him. So we associate. No, like what I said, no, they. And, you know, where you smack him, so he associates.

Starting point is 00:13:45 No, like what I said, no, they had this, he had a big old like monster truck birthday party and they had the big jumpy house and all the kids got, you know, these little, you know, they look like happy mailboxes that had toys and candy and stuff in it. So of course, Max got one. And I wasn't like, no, he can't have it.

Starting point is 00:14:01 I totally let him go through it and play it and he's got a whole second. She's sitting next to me. And I'm just watching him. I'm letting him kind of play in there and observe. And he's still not in a place where he can't take the wrapper out and put it in his mouth or anything. So I don't care.

Starting point is 00:14:14 I'm letting him play with it. He don't even know where it is. So he's, and she's over there like, put in your mouth, Max, put in your mouth. She's like trying to encourage him to put it in his mouth. And I'm like, I'm still ignoring him waiting. I'm waiting until he makes a move to even do that before I even say or do anything. And then she takes it from him to to put it in his mouth. And I'm like, I'm still ignoring him waiting. I'm waiting until he makes a move to even do that before I even say or do anything.

Starting point is 00:14:27 And then she takes it from him to go shove it in his mouth. And I fucking whack, knock it out of her hand. Don't you dare give my son sugar. I said, I'll be the first person to introduce that to him. She got all, she stood back and she was just like, Hey, you know, he's gonna get it eventually. I said, yeah, I know eventually. I'm not gonna be a dad.

Starting point is 00:14:42 It doesn't let my kid ever have it. But I'll be the first one to introduce that to him But she literally was gonna take it and shove it in his mouth So she could see that reaction and it's so funny how adults are just trained to want to do that because Kids do they light up they get excited so your kids you're not your kids So you don't give a fuck if he's sprung for the next four hours at night, you know what I'm saying? So real quick to do that and that was you really curious. They're not. They're currency. Yeah, like that. That's the biggest thing ever for them that they're always like fixated on and see that a video game.

Starting point is 00:15:10 No, you're right because that that was the challenge for, you know, Katrina's brother is he's always used that as, you know, to get the uncle that does that. Yeah. And you know, I don't have a his grandpa on my mom's side. That's what he would do also is that's their way of bribing the kids. And then the kids, and here's, and here's when you're an adult and you can kind of step back so when you have a kid you kind of observe and see this stuff now, I'm watching the kids are so smart.

Starting point is 00:15:38 I don't know about three year olds, four year olds, are so smart, they know what adult does that. And so even when you got, I got family members that have parents. And if you're that adult, you'll love it. Oh yeah, and so the parents are like, they're over here like, okay, son, you've only had a couple, right? But then I see them, kind of go back door,

Starting point is 00:15:54 go find uncle who will keep handing them candy. And so all day long, you know, uncle's over here handing one piece at a time. And even though the parents are trying to moderate how much they eat, the kids know who will give it to them and I watch them. You go each one and bribe. I like your rule. I think that was a smart one because I think it's important to understand it.

Starting point is 00:16:14 You don't want to be a never because that could also backfire. Right. Because then they could grow up, go to college, all of a sudden they go nuts. I think your rule is good when he can ask for it, then it when he's can verbalize it. Yeah, when he can verbal is good. When he can ask for it, then it, when he's can verbalize that. Yeah, when he can verbalize it. Then he can try it. Yeah, dad, I want to be scared.

Starting point is 00:16:29 Do you sure? Well, I want to gather, or I could teach him delayed gratification at that point. Yeah. You sure you want this now, or do you want it? Right. Right, so until then, it's like, why would I do that?

Starting point is 00:16:37 As of right now, he thinks that Apple and grapes and strawberries are amazing. So why would I kill that? Already, and give him this candy that's just gonna completely change that palette? Yeah, and when I was a kid, I didn't get a ton of that, but Nutella, for some reason, Italian's thinking Nutella is like a health food.

Starting point is 00:16:54 For whatever reason. What's your eye for my nuts, that's so bad, right? The commercials are funny too, nuts and milk. Oh, this is healthy, you know? So here's a piece of white bread with some Nutella on it, kid, you know? I imagine though, like, I would think that chocolate, especially something like hazelnut or dark chocolate would be a lesser evil for a kid like.

Starting point is 00:17:11 You know, if you think about it though, chocolates got Theo, I don't know if I'm saying it, Theo Bromine, which is a chemically similar to caffeine. So you see a little kid eat like real chocolate? Is that an all chocolate or just dark chocolate? The more cow that's in there, then the more of that. And you'll see little kids are sensitive,

Starting point is 00:17:29 so you'll see them eat like a real piece of chocolate. Give it about 30 minutes. And then it's a good time. And it's not such a good time about an hour later when they come down. You notice that when they come down? It's like a, like a come down from a drug. Like my kids would be shit for like two or three hours

Starting point is 00:17:47 later, they're just little assholes. All those zombies afterwards too, and they just don't want to do anything. You're like, come on, yeah, yeah, they crash for you. What are the ingredients on that Nutella there, Doug? Can you pull up the ingredients there? Oh, let's see here. Yeah, it's basically, it's 200 calories for two tablespoons.

Starting point is 00:18:02 I know this because I make shakes out of the notes. Do you have a peanut butter. I have a peanut butter. I have a peanut butter. That's right. No, I have. So you do two tablespoons of peanut butter, one tablespoon of Nutella, protein shakes of vanilla, is what I like, and then like an almond milk bling on ice, and a banana. And if you want to sprinkle some coffee grounds,

Starting point is 00:18:19 hazelnut coffee grounds over the top of it. So we got sugar, palm oil, hazelnut, skim milk, cocoa, soy, lessethin, and artificial flavors. Oh, okay. So the first ingredient was what? Sugar. Yeah, there you go.

Starting point is 00:18:32 I'll take that. And majority. I'll tell you what though. It's delicious. Do you guys, do you use it a lot? Do you use it? Is it in your house? No, not anymore.

Starting point is 00:18:40 Oh, really? I don't have any in my house at all. Just what about you? Yeah, I mean, it shows up every now and then. It's really my fault. Yeah. More anybody. So yeah, I like it, dude, I don't have any in my house at all. Justin, what about you? Yeah, I mean, it shows up every now and then. It's really my fault more anybody. So yeah, I like it, dude, I like it. I mean, I like, you know, every now and then, throwing like you said in a shake or something like that

Starting point is 00:18:51 or just, you know, having a spoon with some peanut butter like is like, you know, sort of keeps me at bay. Between that and like a magic spoon kind of situation now, it's like I got something else as like kind of a treat. You know that I could do that's not quite as damaging. So, see I like that strategy because we do live in the real world. The stuff is out there.

Starting point is 00:19:11 And if you go to an extreme in one direction with your kids, it's gonna backfire, right? Like with anything, right? If you're a Puritan about sex, you may have this kid that goes out and does a bunch of crazy, you know, unsaid, you know, practices. Speaking of the magic spoon, I tasted the maple sugar one finally. That was good.

Starting point is 00:19:26 Yeah, yeah, that's actually really good. See, that's a great strategy because it's got that palatable flavor, but it's no sugar, high in protein. Yeah. Give that to your kid. It's gonna have a different effect. I have anything to introduce that to him. I eventually will introduce that to him,

Starting point is 00:19:40 but again, I think right now, it's so long as he's continuing to eat whole foods and loves it, I'm gonna stay in that direction. Yeah, I'm stuck they keep coming out new flavors because yeah, my kids are like There's like a window of novelty with them and so they like it at first But then like you know, I'm trying to introduce other thing Then they'll jump over and try the new flavors and like it, but they still like blueberry the best you can make a Magic spoon crispies, you know like rice crispy. Yeah, squares. You can make them with magic spoon Yeah, I saw a recipe for that

Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah, you've brought that up a few times Jerry's made it for us that oh she did didn't she yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a Yeah, you just make it with peanut butter. That's a peanut butter and honey It's not any it's not like marshmallows or that's just peanut butter and honey really yeah It's peanut butter honey and then the chocolate flavored magic spoon and then refrigerated Yeah, and you make it makes this like like your rice crispy treat, but it's no marshmallows. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah. So did you guys watch, I know we've been talking about

Starting point is 00:20:29 waiting for Godzilla King Kong. Did you guys end up watching it? Yeah. So I went to start, okay, so I went to start to watch it. But I never, I never watched the original Godzilla. So not the original original, but the Godzilla they did right now, it's not important. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Okay, so on that lines, like so the one with Matthew Brodrick, the guy that was like a Ferris Bueller or whatever. Yes. That was the worst movie I've ever seen. If you guys do yourself a favor, go back and watch that movie specifically and just like the jokes are so corny, it's so bad, such a terrible movie.

Starting point is 00:21:02 So I, it was painful. I posted it up on my story and did like a thumbs up thumbs down to get like a from the audience Yeah, and I got about I want to say 70% people said thumbs down But then I had a few people that we know that said oh it was amazing. He's I didn't like it I had some people that say get really high and watch it. You'll Monster Bad would you get really high. I wasn't going to say, it's said for like a paranoid movie. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:27 I mean, I don't watch conspiracy theories. Yeah, I used to be smoking. Yeah, so. But you know, I did read though that it brought in 30, it's number one in the box office right now. Is it really? It literally the only thing out right now. So that's what I thought too, right?

Starting point is 00:21:39 I'm like, it's not that impressive. Like, you're at the top of the shit pile, right? If you get one, there's four movies out here. Exactly. It reminds me of the first, when I got second place in my, one of my first judo tournaments and there was two people in my pool, the other guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got a trophy.

Starting point is 00:21:51 Yeah, I got a trophy. I lost. Well, I can't, so do you guys remember what, maybe Doug can look to stuff like what, what box office numbers are considered good? Like 32.2 million is what I read is, and it's number one. Is that, I think that's really good, right? I don't know how much it cost. It's that the big ones that when you hear like Star Wars stuff They hit the hundred million

Starting point is 00:22:08 Bonspoor now are they wrapping in HBO Max and all that that's what I was curious That's why I'm asking you guys right now because I'm curious is because HBO HBO HBO Max got it If you have HBO Max and you pay them monthly you got it for free. That's right Or I think you could have bought it like on Amazon. No, no, you couldn't even know it's nowhere It's nowhere about HBO Max until I think you have to wait a few weeks and then you can rent it on prime. So is that how they said I'm wondering like what's we're in this weird transition right now where these like Amazon you Amazon always has these like movies for 24 bucks to rent now that would normally be in the theater. So does that count towards box office now?

Starting point is 00:22:46 Does Amazon get like a percentage of that? That's a great question. Yeah, I'm wondering, and is this going to be what we're going to see in the future? Like even when COVID's gone and we're back to kind of going back to movie theaters like normal, is there going to be this option going forward where you can always stream it from home for a premium price?

Starting point is 00:23:04 You guys know? I have no idea. That's a great question though. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't pleased with it. I don't really like it that much. Did you like it? Yeah. Well, I didn't get to see it. We were actually going to go try and go to the theater to see it, but I don't even know if that's going to happen or not. But yeah, you know what was good was we went through all the monster movies and really Pacific Rim is The best one even the second one was better than any of the God's illus and King Kong's Yeah, you know I'll put my stamp on totally agreed What would that stack pull up? Which is well?

Starting point is 00:23:34 It's really based on how much the movie cost to make so if it cost a hundred million dollars to make if you have like a 25 million dollar box office is a fail It cost ten million to make and you had a 25, then it's a success. Well, I mean, I would imagine that movie cost a lot of money. Yeah, I'll see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why remember Blair Witch Project project?

Starting point is 00:23:52 Yeah, it was a huge success, because they literally filmed it on handheld cameras and it crushed such a terrible movie. You really? Oh my God, I mean, I couldn't watch it. I got sick like in the first five minutes. Why? Because of fucking camera. That first push, it's not because you don't like scary movies I got sick like in the first five minutes. Why? Because of fucking camera.

Starting point is 00:24:05 That first person. Push it. Because you don't like scary movies. No, maybe that too a little bit. Well, you had to believe that it was real going into the movie. Because like, it was ruined for me. Because somebody had like, revealed what, you know, like they had just like staged this whole thing going in.

Starting point is 00:24:20 They had this whole allure to it that this was really captured. They were in the woods and they found some spirit ghosts. It was them smart marketing because you made you think it was real and then I forgot what other horror movie did really smart marketing where they didn't usually trailer shows the movie. So you see stuff that happens. This trailer, I can't remember what the movie was, but it showed the audience in the theater.

Starting point is 00:24:41 They didn't even show any of the movie. They just showed the audience just freaking out. Freaking out, and it basically was, this movie was too scary for whatever, and you're like, oh my gosh, dude. I wanna go watch it. Why? Why is it so scary? Yeah, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:24:53 I watched it justously, I finally watched it. The long cut. Oh, so I'm halfway through it right now. Good, what do you think? You know, so far so good. It was good. I'm not a fan of DC, and the free, yeah, I'm not a big DC guy in the first place.

Starting point is 00:25:05 And so I actually didn't even watch, I don't think I watched the full original Justice League. So this is kind of like new to me all together. So what I was curious about, Katrina and I were watching it last night. How different is this one from the original Justice League? Wait, wait, dude, it developed, it's like a different movie. Well, so I don't feel like it's different.

Starting point is 00:25:22 I feel like the storyline is the same. They just develop every character. That's what I mean. Okay. Watch it, it develops all the characters, there's a lot of backstory. It's like a different movie. Well, so I don't feel like it's different. I feel like the storyline is the same. They just develop every character. That's what I mean. Okay. Watch it. It develops all the characters. There's a lot of backstory.

Starting point is 00:25:29 It's much cheaper. So what do you guys know? Okay, school me on the, I don't know much about it. Like I don't follow this nerd shit. You guys are more into this. So what is so cool? I'm so cool. I'm so excited.

Starting point is 00:25:38 But he's still talking about it. I'm not saying that. I'm just, you guys are more into this nerdy shit than I am. And so explain the director. We're just more honest. What's his name Snyder? am. And so explain the director. Just more honest. What's his name Snyder? What's it? Zach Snyder.

Starting point is 00:25:48 Zach Snyder. So I don't get it. So there was a different director that did this one. This is his take on it. Why the fuck does he get to do that? Like I don't understand. I have no idea. I think he did them both, but I think that the studio

Starting point is 00:25:59 edits it and says, no, here it is. And I don't have. And he got angry. He's like, no, I wanted to include all the stuff too long. So then they came out with the Zack Snyder cut. Okay. So now that what's interesting to me is like what we get to sell it twice was pretty cool. Yeah. So what I'm interested to know like what's happening.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Is it is it outperforming the original one? I mean, the feedback when you look at like rotten tomatoes is is higher, I believe on way higher. The longer one that it was on the short. Yeah, probably because it got such bad reviews the other one they don't suck so that's the they're probably were open to to then exploring you know the directors cut it's funny I was watching you Jessica's gonna hit me out but whatever I was watching it and it so it took me like two days I watched his four hours long yeah so I'm watching it of course you know what's her name that Wonder Woman

Starting point is 00:26:40 pops up and Jessica's always like hey it's your crash your movie cra- anyway so she's watching just for that yeah so she's ignoring the movie or whatever crash anyway. So she's just for that. Yeah, so she's ignoring the movie or whatever. And then of course there's a scene with Jason Mamoa, you know, and he's like, Aquaman is shirts off and he's like, I'm gonna go in the ocean, and she's playing with a baby and I catch her just staring at the TV.

Starting point is 00:26:57 I'm like, she's like, oh, she's like, is this the new Justice League? She's like, I'll watch it with you a little bit. Get outta here. You just saw Jason Mamoa with his shirt off. Now you? She's like, I'll watch it with you a little bit. I'm like, get outta here. You just not just to move both of the shirt off. Now you have to sit down with me and watch it. I don't really like him anymore. I get out of here.

Starting point is 00:27:11 You got him and Ben after that. I always wonder like how much of like a pump those guys get before each cut. Did they actually let him go get like an pump? Oh, come on dude. Oh, I mean, you could totally tell. I could tell his chest is like full of blood when he did what they do with Clip dude.

Starting point is 00:27:22 You can see how 100% I'm like, oh this dude, right? Yeah, no, okay. He's like, sound the bathroom before we hit the podcast. I'm going to say, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm gonna finish podcast. This is all, I'm losing my mind. I'm losing my mind. I'm not natural.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Hey, you know, he's a big dude, right? My mom, is any tall, tall big dude? I don't know. I don't think he's a tiny actor like the most of them. I think he's an actually big dude. Yeah, he looks big. Yeah, you never know. He could be. Is he? Look him up. I think he's an actually big dude. Yeah, he looks big. You never know this could be.

Starting point is 00:27:45 Is he? Look him up, Doug. How big is he? Yeah. Between him and who's the guy's name that plays? Six four. Oh, shit, he's a big dude, bro. He is a big guy.

Starting point is 00:27:52 Now, who's the guy that plays? I'm just telling you, I see the guy's face. I'm like, you fuck him, see the guys face and like you fuck them Huh, that maybe yeah, I'd say somebody A little butt chin. Yeah, yeah, I just kind of look like a cartoon character. What's going on really? Yeah, he's a little bit of Squeeze that little cheek a little bit of a crush go Anyway, speaking of cool stuff more UFO stuff Did he did he did just in what this is cool? So they just declassified this. This is actually kind of cool

Starting point is 00:28:23 UFOs were observed. This is from the DOD, I think the Department of Defense or Justice, maybe DOJ. They saw this UFO break the speed barrier, like beyond the speed barrier, zero sonic boom. So it went faster than the speed of sound, no sonic boom whatsoever. So what do you think that tells you?

Starting point is 00:28:43 In your guess, it's- It's like gravity. Something like that, right? Yeah. So you know, okay, so speed of sound, in order to go faster than the speed of sound, you got to go about 750 miles an hour. And we have jets that do this, right? We have jets that go, you know, beyond the speed of sound.

Starting point is 00:28:55 And what happens when you pass it? How fast is Mach 1? I think that is the speed of sound, 750. So I think every Mach is, I'm probably wrong. Someone's going to hammer me on D.I. Maybe Doug can look this up. But when you, when you, when you above above my pay grade when you break the speed barrier the the shock waves Converge and create this what's called sonic boom where you hear this because it went faster, right?

Starting point is 00:29:15 Well this UFO was observed 767 so look at that. So is mock one that right there Doug? Yes, okay, so mock 1 is the speed of sound, and then every, like Mark 2 is twice the speed of sound. Do we have, is this stupid question? Do we have anything that goes to Mark 2? Do we have, I think the black bird, the, is the fastest jet that we know of that we've ever made, the one that they made

Starting point is 00:29:36 to spy on the Soviets. And I think that went Mark 3. It flies way up in the atmosphere, like at the very top of the space. Yeah, Mark 3. That's the one that, 2100 miles an hour plus. 22. That's the one. Maybe you can look it up to Doug.

Starting point is 00:29:49 This is totally shit. So the blackbird was the one that they were building at Roswell. And that was when they did the disinformation campaign. So they actually purposely made people think there were UFOs there so that nobody thought that they were actually making. So what makes you think that all of this isn't just more of a transformation? That's what I think.

Starting point is 00:30:07 I mean, I think they're just trying to distract us. I don't know. Well, whatever. Kind of crazy. Look at that. It's 2100 miles an hour. Damn, that's insane. So anyway, this UFO was observed going faster

Starting point is 00:30:19 than the speed of sound, zero sonic boom, which tells me, or other people, I guess, or you could theorize that it's not moving through space but rather bending space right that makes sense so it's not going through the spaces we know it it's bending space which is why I can move so fast and not let me explain that what do you explain that all right we're gonna this can be fun yeah you can you can't just say like I If I had a piece of paper I could explain this maybe Doug and throw me a piece of it creates its own gravity.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Yeah, but he's like a sheet of paper because it's going science project because it's going so fast. It's bending time. That's it. Yes. No, no, no, no, not because it's going so fast. It that's how it travels. It bends space and moves through. So here it passed me this piece of so I saw this on a movie once. I thought this was a great explanation. This is going to be fun. Yeah, pass that to me this piece of paper. I saw this on a movie once. I thought this was a great explanation.

Starting point is 00:31:05 This is gonna be fun. Yeah, pass that to me. You know what you do, sir? I don't need a pen. He's gonna draw me a flux capacitor. Yeah, yes. All right. Get the fuck out of here with this guy.

Starting point is 00:31:14 So I'm just gonna have to believe, Adam. So imagine this is space right here. This sheet of paper is space, right? And you wanna go from here to here. So you gotta move through all the space to go from here to here. This speed limit is the speed of light. Nothing fast, go faster than the speed of light. So to go from here to here, you can go as fast as you want and speed of light is theoretically as fast as you go. However, so here's one point, here's one another point. If you bend space,

Starting point is 00:31:37 now the points are together. Now going from one to the other can happen instantaneously. Isn't that cool? I watched a movie on that one. I mean, that sounds cool. That's your science lesson for today. Yeah. Thanks, Bill Nye. You're welcome. I don't know if that helped me get any closer to this. Really?

Starting point is 00:31:52 I don't think that's the only way to do it. Well, I mean, no, because how do they, how do they bend time? Well, I don't know. Come on. Is there aliens? There's aliens that can't tell you how they did this. I don't, I see it. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:32:02 You always skip the collage. I am very skeptical of this bullshit. I don't know. How do they make TVs? Is that really see it. I don't know. You always skipped a coalition. I am very skeptical this bullshit. I don't, I don't, how do they make TVs? Is that really their image? I just think, I just think if we had aliens, they would have dropped in and said, what's up by now? I don't think that they're flying around. I think that we are,

Starting point is 00:32:15 so you think there's no way out there? They have been, it's been suppressed. What do you know about the CIA? Come on, man. What do you know of the CIA? I don't know. Nothing, right? You know shit about the CIA.

Starting point is 00:32:24 And a lot of the stuff that we, a lot of this stuff that we, Careful to listening. We know about right Nothing, right? You know shit about the CIA. And a lot of the stuff that we a lot of this stuff that we know about right now, okay? That technology's been around for a long time. We're just finding out about it. We made the UFOs? Well, okay, if you want to call it a UFO, I think we made whatever it is and we make it. That can bend space. I guess. You know, I don't I don't I don't subscribe there. I don't subscribe to a big fucking greenhead guy. That's what I think, Justin. I think that, I mean, I kind of leave you. So I think that it's there.

Starting point is 00:32:51 We found it and we're trying to reverse engineering. You know, okay, so here's why I don't think it's humans. Cause I've heard that theory and it sounds kind of cool, right? Oh, that's our technology and we're trying to hide it from the, you know, the Russians and whatever. And here's why I don't believe that. If a country, any country had the technology to do that, they would instantly be the world superpower by so much,

Starting point is 00:33:12 by so far, it would be insane. If you had that, you would, that would be it. Do you really think so? To be able to travel instantaneously anywhere? Is that more powerful than a nuke that would blow up the fucking country? You launch a nuke from China and as it launches your whole country is exploded because we just transported shit to your freaking door, your doorstep.

Starting point is 00:33:32 Yeah, I don't know. Come on, dude. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to read more of the shit. No, it's more sci-fi, dude. Put your tinfoil hats on, dude. I think it's, I think there's, you know what, there's other shit going on. Why are we still, why are we still when we talked about Epstein Island, that fucking just went away because all this weird shit, like,

Starting point is 00:33:47 there's probably aliens there too. That's what no one's talking about, like, crazy stuff like that. I think that's crazy. And then all of a sudden, COVID, male island. COVID comes around and then UFOs come around and like, no one distract us from Epstein's Island. Yeah, no one's talking about that anymore. Like, what happened with that?

Starting point is 00:34:03 It's the cabal of Satanist, I think. I don't, you know. Bro, we're really getting, we're going after him. We're going hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A speaking of celebrities, you guys, Charles Barkley, you hear his little speech on, I love Charles Barkley.

Starting point is 00:34:16 That guy's great. He's on my, he literally doesn't care. He'll just say whatever. Yeah, he's on my top three, like to have better with. He's a breath of fresh air. Now, is he getting heat for what he's saying? He's always getting heat. That's why I love him. So he don't care. Yeah, he says heat for what he's, he's always getting heat. That's why I love him.

Starting point is 00:34:25 So he don't care. Yeah, he says whatever he wants to say and he always gets heat because he obviously doesn't subscribe to what, you know, half of his company or the NBA subscribe to. So yeah, no, he gets a lot of heat. Now, is he, did he say, so basically what he said for the audience does know.

Starting point is 00:34:40 He essentially said, I don't know how it came up because I don't watch the whole thing, but he essentially said both political parties, their goal is to separate everybody. I don't know how it came up, because I don't watch the whole thing. But he essentially said both political parties, their goal is to separate everybody. They don't care. They just want everybody to hate each other so that they look like the saviors or something. Yeah, and he says they're using race and class.

Starting point is 00:34:53 You know, it's black, verse wide, it's rich, verse poor, and it's all to divide and conquer. And I mean, I don't think there's the funny part. I don't think there's anything controversial about that. What's it like? It seems pretty obvious. It seems pretty obvious. It seems pretty obvious. Yeah, again, it is coming from him.

Starting point is 00:35:07 I think it's people are like, whoa, I can't believe you said that. It's on national television. Yeah. Well, my favorite example of that is the marketing campaign that Pepsi and Coke did in the 80s. For anybody who grew up in the 80s, you remember the Cola Wars. This was like big thing on TV. You saw, it was the, you know you remember the Cola Wars. This was like big thing on TV, you saw. It was the, you know, the Cola challenge,

Starting point is 00:35:27 and it would be like people trying Pepsi, trying Coke, but they don't know what's Pepsi and Coke. And you got to pick one, and Coke was paying for these commercials, and Pepsi was paying for these commercials. And both of them were like, which one is the better Cola? Unbeknownst to people, it was agreed upon that they would do this, and it literally took share, market share away from seven up,

Starting point is 00:35:45 spray, everybody else, because everybody thought, put tab out of business. That there were two choices. Oh, I'm gonna pick Pepsi or Coke, and they dominated because of this. Nobody knew that this was the strategy. Speaking of companies,

Starting point is 00:35:56 you see Facebook's in hot water right now. Why? Did you guys see that? The 533 million people's contact got leaked. What? Yeah, yeah. Look it up, Doug. I think I'll just to make sure I'm on point.

Starting point is 00:36:09 So their information, like they got hacked. Oh no. Yeah, I think 533 million. You know, that's pretty scary because Facebook is more informed on its users than any company or country ever because it knows everything. It knows everything about

Starting point is 00:36:25 your what you click on, what you like, what you comment on, what you buy. So they know a lot. Wow. Account records leaked on a hacking forum. See, that's not good. That's not good at all. I wonder who hacked it. Yeah. They let it go for free though. They didn't even sell it. What do you mean? I mean, it was someone didn't sell it. They just put it out there for free. Normally, I mean, these companies are selling this stuff. You notice when you get on like HBO Max, we're talking about, I don't know if you guys have ever noticed this, are you guys subscribed to HBO Max?

Starting point is 00:36:53 Yes, I am. Okay, so if you go to your app on your phone, Oh, it does the confirmation thing, right? Well, you have the option. And by the way, it's turned off unless you go and turn it on. So you have the option for, it literally says, do you want the company to have the right to be able to sell your information?

Starting point is 00:37:08 And it's automatically turned on that you will let them do that, unless you go into your app and actually turn it shut it off. Really? Oh, I don't like that. I'm gonna cancel them in the video. I don't really care. We talk about this all the time.

Starting point is 00:37:19 Did this freak anybody out? I mean, is anybody like unsubscribing because of course, of course, they want to know the statistics about this? Yeah, no, there's a, I mean, I don't know how many anybody unsubscribing because of course, like this? Of course, I want to know the statistics. Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know how many people unsubscribed to Facebook after this. I mean, I saw some people outraged about it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:33 Because I always see people outraged, but then they're still on Facebook, still crying. You know, it's funny, me though, it's always the people, nobody gives a fuck. Nobody is saying. It's like, you love the service so much. Nobody's listening to your voice conversation. Nobody's reading your fucking emails.

Starting point is 00:37:47 You know what? You know what? Okay, so here's a deal. I don't think it's that. I think what it is is if you have all this information on 500 million users and it's detailed, you have a very effective way of potentially, excuse me, manipulating them through targeted news

Starting point is 00:38:02 and ads and stuff stuff which every election season paid attention. Manipulating is a strong word. You make the decision to click on that fucking ad. You sure do. But just like obesity, you introduce heavily processed food and people be... Yeah, but Javier's saying, okay, well, I don't want processed foods to be illegal. So it's the same difference.

Starting point is 00:38:19 You make the choice to click on that. No, you're right. It's always personal responsibility. And the way I look at it is this. You don't get emotional now. I look at it. No, you're right. It's always personal responsibility. And the way I look at it is this. You don't get emotional now. I look at it all for climped. It doesn't bother me because I prefer that

Starting point is 00:38:31 when I'm on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, any of these platforms, the ads that hit me aren't like a woman's product. They're targeted. They're all things that I'm interested in. They are getting better. They are. They are.

Starting point is 00:38:43 They are. They are. They are. They are. They are. They are getting all the time now. No, they do. Products that I'm like, oh man, I do want that. But I start where it's underwear. It's like, dammit. How do they know me?

Starting point is 00:38:51 I sell low underies. I mean, they do though. They're getting really, and that's really what all this is about. That's what all, these companies sell that information to other companies so they can advertise to you better. Sure. And the information that Facebook has, what's so valuable, is because we go around on like a bunch of sheep liking everything.

Starting point is 00:39:08 And then they know. Yeah, and then they know. I purposely like and dislike shit, that's not true for me. Wow. So you get shitty ads, you're a rebel. Exactly. That's what I mean.

Starting point is 00:39:16 I like a, you know, a great strategy. So speaking of hacking, there were Chinese hackers, this is coming out now, that have been hacking into people's security cameras and recording them having sex. So you know, you have the security cameras in your house, like whatever company that you go with. They're finding videos of people having sex

Starting point is 00:39:34 from the security cameras, they're capturing them and then selling them on the dark web. So people's sex videos are getting sold, but they're not obviously. Are they outdoors? Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing right now. Who the fuck put in ring in their bedroom? Yeah, hey, look, by that time if he's in there,

Starting point is 00:39:52 you're fucked, you know what I'm saying? Hey, honey, we gotta put a show today, if you got neighbors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, lastly, some people have them in their house. They have cameras in their house. Yeah, but that's your bedroom. Okay, is that the only place you have sex at them?

Starting point is 00:40:04 Have you ever had sex in the kitchen? I do, I'm a dad now, bro. Shut up, yeah. Yeah, but that's your bedroom. Yeah. Okay, is that the only place you have sex at them? Have you ever had sex in the kitchen? I do, I'm a dad now, bro. Shut up, yeah. I'm sure it's Friday, you do. I'm lucky to get it in the fucking bedroom. You know what I'm saying? What a lie, dude. It's fitness listening right now.

Starting point is 00:40:15 We're not bad, so there's any more on the top of the laundry room. You're in the laundry room. You're in the fucking kitchen. Like, come on, dude, you got kids now. I almost know. Are you having sex everywhere? Of course. You know why, hey, hold on. Such a liar. Hey, hey, hold on, you know why?. I almost know you haven't checked everywhere. Of course. You know why, hey hold on.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Such a liar. Hey, hey hold on, you know why? Because the baby sleeps in her bed. I'm not talking about with your baby sleeping. I'm not talking about with yourself. You know what I'm saying? I'm not talking about you sneaking away into your pantry and jerk off.

Starting point is 00:40:35 I'm talking about sex bro, with your wife. You ain't have a chance to do it. I'm doing laundry. Don't come in. No. Sneaky dad session. People do it all. Listen, people do it all over and they're capturing these videos and they're freaking selling them. I'm doing laundry. Yeah. Don't come in. No. Sneaky dad session. People do it all.

Starting point is 00:40:46 Listen, people do it all over and they're capturing these videos and they're freaking selling them. That's a news story, Adam. Yeah. Why are you denying everything? Well, it's something I've denied. That's a lie. I mean, it's like two people.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Well, it's a lie. This is somewhat similar, but like so in local news. Basically, you know that place, the cats, that restaurant, you drive by, right? So it's like, great barbec barbecue. Yeah, stable place, right? So during the lockdowns and everything, I guess they had been caught keeping it open, and they kept it open from the hours of like, 10 o'clock at night until 5 a.m.

Starting point is 00:41:15 Oh, it's like a speakeasy. Yeah, but not just a speakeasy. Apparently they've been having adult entertainment in there. What? This whole time, they've been having like strippers and you know, whatever else they're doing in there, that's considered a adult entertainment in there. What? This whole time, they've been having strippers and whatever else they're doing in there that's considered adult entertainment. That's like a biker bar.

Starting point is 00:41:30 It's like, I bet you a bunch of hells-angels and stuff roll down there all the time. Every time I go by, there's 40 bikes that are parked out. So did he? I know, but he was blown. Nobody's fucking with them for sure, yeah. Did they get busted or something? Yeah, it's good buses.

Starting point is 00:41:41 Like $77,000 of fine that they just got. Well, I get, but I'm sure they made more than that. I guess if you're gonna break the law, this is what happens by the way, when you pass a bunch of laws that people don't follow, as soon as people break one law, they're more likely to break others for sure. So like, well, we're open, we're not supposed to be.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Mine's what gets distributed in here. You can get distributed, you know? Maybe they could do other things. Yeah, but mine are there. It just goes from there. We're already there. Just jump off the ground. I didn't even know that. That just went down or what? Yeah, just went down, they cracked down. Adam didn't know that but my, they just goes from there. We're already there. Just jump off the board. I didn't even know that.

Starting point is 00:42:05 That just went down or what? Yeah, just went down. They cracked down. Adam didn't know that. Watch we're gonna show up. Adam, we got your chair for you. Dude, yeah, that is an option. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:14 Come on, guys. That's hilarious. I flyer out there, something. I got some exciting sports news. This is kind of cool. What? Let's set up, bro. This is the sports that I like.

Starting point is 00:42:23 Let's see here. Let's do this. Whoa, take my breath away. sports that I like. Let's see here. Let's see here. Whoa, take my breath away. Yeah. I'm waiting for this. No, guess what got included in the 2024 Olympics for the first time? My guess is Jiu-Jitsu.

Starting point is 00:42:33 For a junior Jiu-Jitsu. I was gonna say it's the only thing you know anything about it. It's like, I was gonna say, it wasn't, you know that they still have competitive art, like sculpting and painting. And the Olympics? In the Olympics.

Starting point is 00:42:45 How the hell do you do that? How do you do that? It's like the 74 I think is when they stop doing it. Competitive art. Competitive art. So anyway, so now I have jujitsu. How the hell do you win it, art? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:42:57 You know, you just remember, did you guys ever watch the Netflix, the college scam one yet? No. Oh, you guys haven't watched that. No. Oh, that's really good Is it really oh, it's really good. What's a dog? You know, I'm not parents that get in Yeah, yeah I remember in the girl from full house She was like obviously all over the news, but it was a big scandal for a long time and what's crazy to me like

Starting point is 00:43:18 I don't want you guys to watch it going forever Yeah, you just need to watch it so we could talk about it because it blew up because it's one guy was doing like a side door deals and he'd been doing it for decades, getting all these kids and colleges. But the truth is, colleges still do it. Yeah. Call, I mean, you still have the option, if you as a parent, if you want to donate $50 million to Harvard for them to, you know, more likely look at your child. Yeah, it's pretty impression, you're going to win. You know, more likely look at your child. It's pretty, I'm pretty sure you're gonna get it. Ween Kweenq, you know, pay for this. And what he, where he was brilliant, okay? In his defense, I know everybody's not gonna like that, but you know, what was brilliant about it was,

Starting point is 00:43:52 he created a side-door to cause of all this connections and relationship, so it wouldn't cost you 50 million, it cost you 500,000 or a million, you know? So, he was bypassing the actual colleges and how they do it, and he was basically backdoring them. Because he had all these relationships with all these small teams. What reminded me of it?

Starting point is 00:44:09 Because these funny sports you brought up, a lot of these colleges have like Harvard had sailing. Sailing ink is not profitable. It doesn't make any money whatsoever. So they let them on the sailing team give them a scholarship type of. Yes. And nobody checks.

Starting point is 00:44:22 Nobody checks if he shows up to practice or doesn't. And so since the... the job is the fold And so he would he would go in with these these coaches and he build relationships with them And be like hey, could I get a spot on on the team and I'll make sure I give the team You're you know, you got a guy who's running sailing. He's passionate about it He wants it to be successful He wants it to make money for the school and and be able to get all the new gear and shit, but they ain't giving him shit.

Starting point is 00:44:46 Then I'll send you get this dude who comes around and says, hey, just give me one spot on the team. I'll get you a million dollars next year for the program. And don't you don't wanna do anything. Just, you know, he's not gonna show up to practice. Just, you know, let me- You know, if it's a private school, a private college, I mean, this is, I mean, that's just the world.

Starting point is 00:45:04 It's just a hustle. Yeah, I mean, you know, it mean, that's just the world. It's just a hustle. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like, if you're wealthy, you can buy a better car too. You can pay for a lot of things that, you know, other people can't pay for. So, you know, I get conflicted about it. It sounds shitty because I'm sure there's regulations and stuff against that.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Oh yeah. But very illegal. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, the reality is, if it's, especially if it's a private, well, this is where I wanted to add. I really wanted you guys to see so we could chat about this because as a dad now, right? So I feel a little bit conflicted too.

Starting point is 00:45:28 Like, I'm nobody, okay, when you're rich and you help your kid do this, like for sure everybody fucking hates those people. But there's a side of me that goes like, I mean, is it that different? Or is that bad that these parents are doing everything they can to get the best life for their kids, right? Even if that means bending the rules and human nature.

Starting point is 00:45:47 And that's what kind of kid are you actually raising? I, well, it, agreed. I mean, that's what I think the problem is, because if you do everything for your kid, you're gonna raise a shitty kid. I don't disagree, you know what I'm saying? But I think there's, I think where nobody has him, but he for these parents that are trying to do this,

Starting point is 00:46:00 it's like, you're rich, that's your, that's your muscle, right? If you're, if that's your power, that's your flex. If you, if you, if you got that much, you're rich, that's your muscle, right? If you're, that's your power, that's your flex. If you got that much money and you have a kid who, you know, their dream is to go to Princeton or Harvard or that, do you not explore some strengths? Right, and you have connections and relationships with the right people and $500,000 is nothing to you to make sure your kid, and a lot of these parents, they actually didn't want

Starting point is 00:46:26 their kids, they're shielding their kids from knowing. Yeah, but what's, you know what I'm saying? They'll think about it though. Oh, they shield their kids. Oh my God, that's disgusting. I know, I know. You're gonna raise a shitty, weak kid. That's really how they got caught up was the full house chick.

Starting point is 00:46:39 I forget her name, whatever her name is. She has two daughters, and the second daughter was kind of like, she kind of fucked around and they both got into UCLA and everybody's like, how did that happen? Yeah, and that's what blew it up was because, she was famous on Instagram. She had like a million followers and she had makeup deal as a kid, right?

Starting point is 00:46:56 It's 17 years old and stuff. And she's on there all the time. Never studying, never talking about school and that and then all of a sudden gets into UCLA. Oh, you're lawfully in there. Yeah, that's her name. Thank you, Doug. She served president. Yeah, anyway, dude, I'd be like, sorry, you're going to community college, buddy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:09 You know, I mean, that's the right thing to do. I'm not saying that I would not necessarily do that, but I mean, everybody is like just wanted to crucify these parents for doing things like that. And I'm just saying that I understand. I understand if you're a... Everybody wants to have their kid avoid hardship and wants to take care of them. I mean, I get that, right? But I mean, what do you think when you really think about it?

Starting point is 00:47:30 Like, what kind of kid are you raising? That's why so many of these successful people, they have kids that are not great. They're not successful. They don't understand how to do anything for themselves. They ended up becoming losers, but living off mom and dad or whatever. It's because they never learned how to get on the road. The statistic on a millionaires that inherit I think is like 14% something.

Starting point is 00:47:50 Most millionaires are self made. Yeah, like 80% of most millionaires were our self made right so they didn't inherit it beforehand. So, yeah, I mean, I would say a majority probably of these kids that, you know, step into the real world already as millionaires, they end up blowing it all anyways and then they don't end up going anywhere. So yeah, I wonder if it's like, if you inherit it, you're more likely to then do that with your kid. But if you earn it, let's say you grew up

Starting point is 00:48:12 in your middle class or lower class and you built your business, I wonder if you're less likely to do that because you know the value of it. So you're like, maybe, or you don't want your kid to go through that kind of hardship, you're conflicted by that. But yeah, I would think,

Starting point is 00:48:24 I would think like some of those values would carry over. Yeah, I just think it's interesting how people get so mad and angry about it. And you just, we assume that, that is, that person is better off because they get all the money, they get everything from you, which I would make the case that money isn't the answer,

Starting point is 00:48:41 getting everything you want is what you skip the lesson. Not only do you skip the lesson, but you're the way you value things is totally different. I mean, there's you ever watch somebody who didn't have very much come up and work really hard to get to a place and look how they take care of the little things like their car or their room or your right. And this by the way, the science is quite confident in this. The science is pretty established that money up in the last study science is pretty established that money, up in the last study that was done showed that no additional happiness was brought past

Starting point is 00:49:10 about $75,000 here. So once your needs are met, so unless you're like, oh my God, I'm struggling to have a place to live, I don't have money to take care of myself. Once you're past that point, which, if you live in a modern society, is pretty achievable for most people.

Starting point is 00:49:23 And I would imagine it looks kind of like a bell curve. Yeah. But imagine that it peaks and then the more and more and more you make for more likely you're to be depressed and suicidal. It actually doesn't do anything for you. So once you have those needs met, there's nothing that you derive for money

Starting point is 00:49:36 what it is. And again, the science is pretty, and Arthur Brooks talks about this. This is his expertise. Is your family and friends relationship with your family and friends. Do you have a job that provides you with a sense of meaning and purpose?

Starting point is 00:49:47 That's important. You gotta feel like you're contributing to society somehow, so it could be volunteer work, it could be a job, something that you feel like is providing purpose. And then do you have a spiritual practice? Those things right there, oh well, bring happiness, not money. Throwing additional money or becoming more beautiful or doing that stuff, the return is almost zero with any more than that.

Starting point is 00:50:06 Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you something that's, I'm really excited about. I don't know if you guys all know this. I think I share it. I don't know if I shared it with all of you or just some of you. I see Justin's rocking his Felix Grey's.

Starting point is 00:50:15 They reached out to us a couple of weeks ago and we are looking into a furthering our partnership where we do branded glasses with them. I thought that was really cool. They've had so much success with the show and we're obviously one of the first partners with them and they've just exploded. They're popping up all over the place.

Starting point is 00:50:36 You know, they're in the mall down here now. Well, the thing about them, and this is a big deal, if you've never worn blue blockers, is most blue blockers change the color of everything. So they're either orange or red. And if you're on electronics, if the reason why you're wearing them is so that you can be on electronics before bed, right? Trying to block blue lights so you get better sleep.

Starting point is 00:50:53 But now you got orange glasses, you're watching your movie, and the whole movie is orange or whatever. And that makes a difference. It really does. Well, that was the, that was the, the Felix Trades don't change the color. That was the deal breaker for me when, I mean, I remember you were wearing the blue bockers even before we were messing with Felix Kray. And I just couldn't get behind it.

Starting point is 00:51:09 As much as you swore up and down, like what a difference it made on your sleep and you felt so much better, I just, I could not put him on and I watched television at night. I mean, I watched my favorite shows and it distorts all of it. And I care about that stuff.

Starting point is 00:51:23 There's a reason why I spend that much money on a stupid TV. If so, I get like this crazy crystal clear picture. You throw an orange lens over it, and it ruins that experience. I've tried eating food with the orange lenses, and it makes your food not nearly as enjoyable. You forget how much of the

Starting point is 00:51:39 the association with the colors. 100%. It's a part of making food palatable. But in fact, it might be a good strategy, you eat less put on some red or purple glasses or whatever Yeah, eat your food you'll probably end up eating. Do that reminds me of when ketchup When they came out with like it was a black engine a black thing. Yeah, I failed. Oh big time Yeah, who wants to put black? It looks like like something rancid you just squirted on your hot dog Yeah, what about was it clear Pepsi Pepsi clear that didn't like that too

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Starting point is 00:52:41 An English Landish! Quee-claw... Alright, a first question is from Sovrall Training. The motherfucking world. The English Landish. Queie coie. All right, a first question is from Sovereign Training. What are your thoughts on the afterburn effect of exercise? A.K.A. epoch. Do you really burn a lot more calories after a hit workout compared to

Starting point is 00:52:57 what one would burn during a low intensity, steady state cardio workout? Did I share, did I share the article with you guys? I think he did. I did, didn't I share it on the show? So just like a couple of weeks ago, I think it was men's health. I want to say it's men's health that came out with a Doug in fact, checked me. They were hammering orange theory about this.

Starting point is 00:53:20 In fact, because that was a big selling point. Yeah, in fact, orange theory has changed a lot of their marketing because of that, which ironically, if you've been listening to Mind Pump long enough, this was the bone that I had to pick with them way back when I was working with them was, we came in, of course, just typical company start working with them, they have their whole training process. And I'm in there with a lot of these green trainers and they're talking about, you know, epoch and how amazing it is. And I'm sitting back there going lot of these green trainers and they're talking about, you know, epoch and how amazing it is. And I'm sitting back there going like,

Starting point is 00:53:48 really? Come on. We've already, we've already dispelled this. It's not even that, that's not that big of a minuscule. Yeah, but they had built at that time their entire hype was around the benefits of epoch and like how revolutionary it was. And so they had, they had the first few years that they had came out,

Starting point is 00:54:06 they had marketed to this quite a bit and they've already redacted a lot of the stuff that they were saying before because of this and men's health came out not that long ago, oh there it is right there, came out not long ago and was right, it was just about a month ago. So they came out and they've been hammering them over this. And so yeah, the answer is, no, the epoch is,

Starting point is 00:54:26 I think it was in the 70s or 80s when it first came out and when they first started doing studies around it, it's negligible. I mean, we're splitting hair difference on the benefits of that. And so when you hear people talk about it, it makes me chuckle. It's based on a false paradigm of fitness.

Starting point is 00:54:41 And that's this paradigm that the benefit of exercise comes from the calorie burn while you do the exercise. This is a false paradigm, right? So people think, okay, we learned a long time ago that in order to lose weight, you need to create what's called an energy imbalance. In other words, you take in less calories than you burn or vice versa, right?

Starting point is 00:55:01 Burn more cows you take in. That means your body has to tap into fat in order to make up the difference and you lose weight. So the paradigm was created that, oh, in that case, let's exercise a lot. Burn more calories. That's going to be a very effective strategy for fat loss. It's a terrible strategy. Never works for the following reasons. Number one, you don't burn that many calories when you exercise. I don't get how hard you work out. You're going to burn maybe in an hour, 400 calories, 500 calories. And you may think, oh, that's a lot of calories.

Starting point is 00:55:27 No, it's not. 400, 500 calories, you could eat in five, you could drink that in five minutes. It's not much. It doesn't make that's a losing strategy. It's a losing strategy. So, and here's the other part. If you're constantly training to just burn calories,

Starting point is 00:55:40 your body is a very good job of adapting, slowing down its metabolism in many different ways, even affecting the rest of your activity throughout the day to balance it out. So what ends up happening is you burn 500 more calories a day, let's say you work out every single day, real hard for an hour. Well, you find over time as your body actually balances out and you stop burning those extra calories. Here's the paradigm that you want to focus on. Okay, you want to focus on this paradigm. What kind of adaptations is this exercise causing my body and then what are those adaptations?

Starting point is 00:56:08 What do they do for me? What's the benefit? Yeah, what's the carryover? That's it. So if I'm training for endurance, what are the adaptations? While I get more efficient with calorie burn, which means you burn less calories, I build more stamina.

Starting point is 00:56:20 That could be good if I'm an athlete or whatever. What about resistance training? Lifting weights doesn't burn a ton of calories, but what it does is it through the process of strength and muscle building, it actually speeds up the metabolism. So epoch, although it is splitting hairs, like Adam said, doesn't burn that many extra calories, it's built on a false paradigm.

Starting point is 00:56:37 So forget your calorie burn during your workout. That is not important at all. Look at what adaptations your exercise- Well, even for- The after, because that's what it stands for, right? important at all, look at what adaptations your exercise is causing. Well, even forget the after, because that's what it stands for. Right. It's the, it's post workout that they, they try in, in, in, uh, tout.

Starting point is 00:56:51 Is that okay? You burn more calories. Yeah, yeah. If your body, you know, would burn on it, and let's just say for hypothetical reasons, it's 2000 calories a day. When you do hit training, it burns 2300 calories. In addition to what you burn in that one, they're inflated numbers and they're false.

Starting point is 00:57:07 Big time. And not to mention too, and we talk about this on the show all the time, no matter what modality of training that you are doing, the body adapts to that. And so any of the, it's novel. It's a novel stimulus that your body is responding to right away. And yes, there's probably that benefit that you see with an extra amount of calorie burns, but that's a limited window. Your body's gonna get very adapted to that

Starting point is 00:57:28 and then start slowing down the metabolism as a result. Yeah, so here's the paradigm you want with exercise. Does this improve my health? Is it improve my fitness? Those are important. And also, is this going to get my body to change in a way that's gonna cause my metabolism to speed up so that I burn more calories all the time, not requiring an hour of intense exercise.

Starting point is 00:57:49 But the form of exercise that does it is traditional resistance training. So if your goal is fat loss or weight loss or maintain a lean body like most people, then focus on the adaptation. Don't focus on the calorie burn during or even after the exercise. Next question is from Lorraine Fighting Fit. Since listening to you guys, I'm trying to cut down on cardio. I always do resistance training anyway,

Starting point is 00:58:13 but how much cardio is enough for healthy heart, lungs, et cetera. I don't want my cardio to affect my resistance training, but I want to do enough to keep healthy. All right, there's a lot to unpack with this particular question. So number one, cardiovascular activity done appropriately. It's good for you. It's good for your health.

Starting point is 00:58:30 So I don't want to give away the message that it's a waste of time or whatever. There's nothing wrong with it. It's good for you. Now, the question is about hearts and lungs and the benefits there. The truth is that he's actually show this resistance training is just as beneficial for the heart as cardiovascular activity.

Starting point is 00:58:47 Where cardio is superior to resistance training is in building stamina and endurance. If you want stamina and endurance, more stamina and endurance, then you'll get through resistance training. Then you can add cardiovascular training. Now that being said, for most people, you'll get plenty of endurance and stamina through resistance training, especially if you cut your rest period short and you do supersets. But if you're somebody that wants more athlete levels of stamina endurance, then go ahead and do the cardio.

Starting point is 00:59:12 What's too much? This is very independent. This is very, very dependent on the individual. You know, what's too much for one person is enough for another, just like resistance training. So for most people, if your goal is just overall health, I would say, you know, 30 minutes a day of some kind of cardio is probably great.

Starting point is 00:59:30 It's probably gonna benefit your health. Well, here's a thing. Training for health is one thing. Training for fat loss is another thing. And I think this is where this message gets mixed up with us. Like, you know, that people think that we're anti-cardio. Listen, if you are in a healthy weight and you're happy where you are body fat percentage,

Starting point is 00:59:51 you don't feel you need to lose any more body fat, do as much cardio as you want. I mean, if you can get up every day and you enjoy going for a run every morning, by all means, that's very healthy and it'd be great. They're what we speak to because the number one thing that everybody wants to do is to lose body fat, it's a losing battle to go after it through cardio. That is the message.

Starting point is 01:00:13 So if you're at where you want to be and you've done it through resistance training and dieting and you got to the body type or size or body fat percentage that you want, do as much cardio as you like. I mean, if you enjoy doing it, do it every day. So long as it's appropriate, right? You don't over train or over do. Yeah, yeah, I mean, why would you though? If you're just doing it for health purposes,

Starting point is 01:00:34 do how much you enjoy? Right, right. You know what I'm saying? If you're doing it for health purposes, and you like to go for a half hour run or an hour run every day, then go for it. I like to just promote that there's other options out there. And I think that people will hear that,

Starting point is 01:00:48 so they'll just think to get on a treadmill and just walk or run and do the same repetitive thing over and over and over again, when it's actually going to be more beneficial for your body to move in a lot of different ways and to be more active overall. There's so many other joints in your body that need to be expressed and need to be moved. So that way we avoid pain and we avoid these arthritis and things that happen as a result

Starting point is 01:01:11 of this repetitive stress. We just lock ourselves in these positions. So that's why I just want to promote a little bit different message around cardio that there's other ways to get the same result, but you just have to be more active throughout. Yes, and I'm so glad you said that. The best form of cardio for most people is walking, and here's why. It's not because walking is superior for stamina

Starting point is 01:01:32 or endurance, and I'm like, it's because walking is the one skill that most people still possess, right? Most people still walk, so you can go for a walk, and you're not gonna have absolutely terrible biomechanics and whatever. Most people, this is the truth now, most people in modern societies don't have the skill of running. Sorry.

Starting point is 01:01:48 Now we evolved to run. Humans actually evolved to be amazing runners, but that does not mean that you can run well. If you stop running at any point in your life, if you haven't run every day forever, like most people, you're in your 20s or 30s and you're like, ah, the last time I ran consistently was when I was, you know, 10, just lacing up your jogging shoes, going for a run, it's misleading, you think it's easy. Oh, you just go for a run, it's not a big deal. Running is very technical, it's a very technical movement,

Starting point is 01:02:15 and if you haven't done it a long time, you don't run properly, especially if you run to fatigue. Now you're gonna go outside and run till you're tired. You're gonna run terribly, and this is why, by the way, studies will show this, the number one form of exercise that causes chronic pain and injury, go outside and run till you're tired. You're gonna run terribly, and this is why, by the way, studies will show that the number one form of exercise that causes chronic pain and injury is running. It's exactly what Justin was saying,

Starting point is 01:02:31 that repetitive motion over and over again, in which you don't do it well. So I'm so glad you brought that up. So walking is the best form of cardio for most people. And then if you wanna do more intense forms, treat it like a skill, don't treat it like a workout. Next question is from RC Legs. more intense forms, treat it like a skill, don't treat it like a workout. Next question is from RC Legs. Is working out barefoot a good idea? Is there any preparation

Starting point is 01:02:51 that needs to be done before doing so? Definitely. Working out barefoot is a great idea. However, if you never are barefoot and you never work out barefoot, just taking your shoes off and going and doing a barefoot, you're probably going to cause problems because you've adapted to your shoes, you've developed biomechanics based on your shoes and going out loading yourself with your bare feet, your feet are probably weak, they don't move well, they're probably not very stable, and then you'll cause some problems. So you want to slowly ease yourself into barefoot training. So what it looks like

Starting point is 01:03:23 is you drop the load way down, maybe you have to work out barefoot or some into barefoot training. So what it looks like is you drop the load way down, maybe you have to work out barefoot or some exercises barefoot. Maybe get minimus type shoes, so just just reduce the sole or like, you know, get something that's a little more flat and flexible. Yeah, you gotta look at it in incremental ways to address this, to really bring yourself down

Starting point is 01:03:41 to that place where you feel like you're stabilized properly. So even just a very first step of taking your shoes off and you get home and walking around the house barefoot more consistently before you start loading them with weight would be a good start. And that's how I started. So we, I mean, we talked a lot about barefoot training early on in the podcast. And I really had never, I had never done it, never prioritized it.

Starting point is 01:04:02 And I really didn't see the importance of it until we had met Dr. Brink. We hung out and I saw that a lot of my dysfunction was stimming from my weak ass feet and poor ankle mobility. We cast feet. That's a weak ass feet and I had a lot of strength. Yeah, poor ankle mobility.

Starting point is 01:04:18 And so that complete, I mean, it shattered my paradigm. And then from that moment on, I decided, okay, I'm gonna strengthen my feet, I'm gonna work on my ankle mobility. And what that looked like was not me right away going barefoot and then doing my regular workout, all barefoot, it started with me just walking outside every day for 10, so I walked Mazi and will Bentley

Starting point is 01:04:38 back then twice a day. And I would just take, I would do barefoot now. I never used to do that before. And so I would just start by a 10 minute walk twice a day walking barefoot. And then I started working on the ankle mobility. Cause here's the thing too, you gotta keep in mind. Probably one of the more limiting factors

Starting point is 01:04:53 with working out barefoot is squatting, right? So doing anything where you have to drop down into a squat. Most people have limited ankle mobility. And the heel rise helps us all out. So, and depending on how thick a shoe that you wear, when you squat down, in your barefoot, you've got to have really good ankle mobility in order for you to get all the way down into a full squat. Otherwise, you're going to see a deviation. Most likely, you'll start to see the feet start to collapse,

Starting point is 01:05:21 collapse inward. So, if you notice that, then don't just work out through that, you need to address the issue, which is the lack of ankle mobility and then the strengthening of the feet. So the other thing I'd start to do is, you know, waking up, there's like 7,000 nerves that end up in our feet. And so before I'd start even going on walks

Starting point is 01:05:44 or training them, I'd roll on a lacrosse ball. And I'd put the lacrosse ball in the center and I'd try and articulate my toes and kind of wake up all those muscles that are in your feet before you go in and like lift heavy weight on them. So progress slowly and make it a habit every single day. And then you can start to progress it into your work.

Starting point is 01:06:03 Yeah, we really don't, we really need to understand that so much of what we do is based off of our body's ability to do those things, and if you don't ever do it, you don't have the ability, and you need to respect that. Now, there was that book that came out, I don't know how long ago, 15 years ago, and it was like this barefoot running book, and it like, it took the running world by storm, right? This guy went and studied these cultures that ran all the time.

Starting point is 01:06:26 So there was like this. Born to run? I think that might have been it, right? And he watched them run and all these cultures, he was in Ethiopia and he was in different parts of the world. And he's watching them run and they're running up until they're in their 70s. But they run all the time since their kids

Starting point is 01:06:40 and they're all barefoot. And he filmed how the foot struck the ground and moved. And he realized that when these people ran, cause they ran barefoot, they struck the ground four foot first and then heel. So like the ankle in the foot is this big shock absorber. When we run with big padded heel running shoes, we go heel first, we lose the shock absorbing effect

Starting point is 01:06:59 of the foot and the ankle. So he wrote this big thing and said, oh my God, running barefoot's the way to go, it's the way we were supposed to run. So a bunch of people are like beautiful through their shoes away, went running barefoot, ended up with a lot of injury. It hurt. Yeah. And problems because they'd never run that way. So you got to respect it and take your time. But once you get there, then it's pretty amazing. Yeah. Next question is from Junein 87. I have days where I just straight up don't get

Starting point is 01:07:23 hungry, even if I worked out. Should I force feed myself to get my proper caloric or macro intake or just listen to my body and stomach and not eat as much? Just reminds me, we just had a question about like, and remember we talked about the whole clock thing, and I was bringing up how time is like this made up thing that we all made up. This is an example of how this... We got philosophical.

Starting point is 01:07:45 Did we really? I mean, the point is a time doesn't work. Well, it is it, right? It's something that we have made up to. Right. It's something that we have made up. We've created these 24 hour days, seven days a week, but the truth is like your body doesn't know different.

Starting point is 01:08:02 And if you're not hungry, it's not a big deal if you don't eat. I bet you the next day, you're going to be a lot more hungry than you were before. Now that being said, if you find that this is a problem and your health is suffering as a result, you're underweight, nutrient intake is low. Look at your health. Poor appetite, the way I'm talking about it, not a normal appetite, where sometimes you eat more, sometimes you eat less, but rather a poor appetite that's actually affecting your health, like I said, with your nutrient intake

Starting point is 01:08:29 and your underweight and all that stuff, there's an underlying cause. Poor appetite is a very strong signal that something is not right. It could be a hormone imbalance, it could be gut health issues. It could be mental, psychological, oftentimes people are, there's a tremendous amount of stress or anxiety that they might need even be aware of or maybe you are and that'll strongly affect your appetite. So you could also be over-training. You know, one of the signs of

Starting point is 01:08:56 over-training is actually loss of appetite. You work out too much, you'll find that your appetite, in fact, when I would train clients that were three signs I would look for, that would tell me that we were on the right track. One was easy, are you getting stronger? If you're getting stronger, that's phenomenal. The other one, if your appetite's going up, so when my client would tell me, oh man, I'm like, hungrier, I feel like I'm hungrier, like that's a good sign. And then the third one was libido, the libido would go up. And I knew that those three things hit, we were doing great.

Starting point is 01:09:24 So poor appetite can be a sign that there's some underlying issue. In which case, I would recommend you go see a functional. Can, but I would say that when you agree that this is probably a small, small percentage, I think a majority of people. Yeah, this person might be one of those people that's like, I got a pack on muscle. And you need this many calories, but I'm not hungry enough to eat it. Yes. In which case, you're just not listening to everybody.

Starting point is 01:09:46 And honestly, I like talking, speaking to this, because I struggled with this for so many years. Being a kid that was insecure about being skinny, I wanted to be more muscular and put muscle on. I, and I knew what, I figured out what my macro targets were. And if I did not get there, or I was at the end of the day, and I was missing my macro targets, I was stuffing my face.

Starting point is 01:10:06 You know peanut butter jelly sandwiches is sure just to try and get the prize because I thought if I didn't do it Then all that hard work I did the previous weeks to build muscle it would start falling off my body right away Yeah, and then your metabolism doesn't work that way It does not want to burn up and use muscle tissue So you do not have to worry about if you have a day or two where you miss macro targets that you're gonna lose your gains or lose muscle. And more than likely that appetite

Starting point is 01:10:34 will come back up within 24 to 48 hours. Yeah, if you don't have a roaring appetite, I would look into your training protocol and like really like assess whether or not you know that's, you know, promoting something that's gonna get you in a healthy place where your metabolism should want to, you know, rev up. Yeah, boy, is this really dependant

Starting point is 01:10:51 on who you're talking to, doesn't it? I know, it's like, I can add on. That's speculating. What Adam's talking about is totally different and I 100% agree, if you're that guy or girl and then I'd say, just listen to your body, I think you're overdoing it, you're overthinking it. If you have underlying health issues and you really do have a poor appetite, then it's

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