Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1531: F45 Review, How to Minimize Fat Gain When Eating to Build Muscle, the Truth About Meal Frequency & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, you just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by listeners, and viewers just like you. But the way we opened the episodes with an intro portion,

Starting point is 00:00:28 so we're gonna talk about what's happening in our lives. We're talking about current events, we go through the news. What's happening? We talk about scientific studies. We bring up our sponsors. Here's what went down in today's episode. The intro portion was 48 minutes long. We open up by talking about Adam's haircut.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Apparently it takes 45 minutes to shave his head. Oh, that's really weird. It's something with his beard. Then we talk about Red Skull. He's the villain in the Captain America series. And apparently now he's Jordan Peterson. Yeah, whatever. Makes a lot of sense. Then Justin talked about ski cougars that he saw up in the mountains. Then we talked about barbecuing. It's getting warm over here in California. We've been barbecuing like crazy. One of our favorite places to get high quality grass fed meat is butcher box.

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Starting point is 00:01:38 Pulled up fat saturated fat. Then I talked about my baby son and how he likes to squeeze Mama's boobs, which is pretty funny. Who does it? He's like his dad. Wow. Oops. Then we talked about the economist Harry Dent predicting a huge crash in the next coming month. Then we talked about a show on Netflix about art robbery, which was interesting. We talked about how testosterone is crashing,

Starting point is 00:02:03 and I read some pretty scary statistics. Then we talk about how muscle is protective, even if you're fat, even if you're overweight or obese, having more muscle is protective. Then we talked about tonal and their valuation. Then we brought up getting rid of plastics to help your hormones. And that led us to talking about mirror, who makes some pretty amazing good cups that are not plastic. They're not going to hammer your hormone levels. By the way, you can go to mirror.com-mindpumpstores. M-I-I-R.com-forward-sash-mindpump-checkout-the-products.

Starting point is 00:02:36 Also, if you go to the MindPump merchandise site and use the code trainers that's T-R-A-I-N-E-R-Z at MindPumpStore.com. So that's MindPumpStore.com. If you get yourself a pair of suspension trainers, you'll also get a free Cup Zero Camp mug. That's a mere camp mug with your purchase. This special ends Friday the 16th at midnight. Then we got into the questions. Here's the first one. This person says, how do you gain weight without gaining body fat? The next question, this person says, look, what's the evidence on eating small meals? Is it better or should I just eat two meals a day? The third question, this person wants to know what our opinion

Starting point is 00:03:19 is of F-45 training. And then the final question, this person wants to know what we think about percentage-based training or RPE-based training. Also huge promotion because it's April and it's warming up, we put a couple programs, actually we put a program and a bundle at 50% off sale to help everybody get in shape for summer. So the first program that's on sale is Maps and Obolic, 50% off. Then we put the shredded summer bundle on sale at 50% off. And the shredded bundle includes Maps aesthetic, Maps prime, Maps hit, and the Intuitive Nutrition Guide. So both of those 50% off, huge promotion. Here's how

Starting point is 00:03:59 you get that. Go to MapsFitnessProduct.com, and then use the code April special with no space for the discount. T-shirt time! And it's T-shirt time! Oh, shit, dog! You know it's my favorite time of the week. We've got two big winners here, one for Apple Podcasts, one for Facebook. The Apple Podcasts winner is Maley443 and for Facebook, it's Jordan Maley, is there any relationship there

Starting point is 00:04:29 or is it the same person? I don't know. Both of you or the one of you is the winner. Send the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. You guys look very nice. Are these. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:04:46 You're here. Here's what I want to know. Why does it take so long to cut your hair? It's just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, no, the real question is like, which one of us took our shirt off? Yeah, this is the question. I have a shirt under a shirt though. I just have all these muscles. Listen, I give him the brief. Hey, hey, hey, it takes a lot of work to make this look like the way it does Right, yeah, you think you just wake up like this is a lot of work to be a lot of them You really have to be a lot of work to be a five you know

Starting point is 00:05:34 You know saying so a lot of work and then then just to a minute and then south and then south any chance Or excuse to take a shirt off, you know like I don't want to get here, I don't wanna get here, I don't wanna get here on my unicorn shirt, you know what I'm saying? So I can't appeal it down to the white shirt. I have two shirts on me. This is also a shirt. You know what I mean? I like I have a bare chested.

Starting point is 00:05:53 No, I don't like little hairs. I don't like the hairs getting stuck in my collar. Did her heart flutter a little bit or even? She get a little nervous after you did that or she was sweating a little. Yeah, she was like, whoa. I didn't know I'm working with today. Oh, you're the buff guy at the guy.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Yeah, absolutely. Oh, now I can see why you're in the fitness. No, no, no, I don't like the hairs, dude. When I get little hairs in here, oh my God, I want to punch someone in the face. You get to get a shower. Yeah, so I feel, and I'm good, dude. I mean, make you find my unicorn shirt.

Starting point is 00:06:21 My daughter got me this, dude. It's great. I promised I'd wear it on the podcast a couple times. I know. Now whenever I wear it, I send her to the YouTube and she gets all excited. Speaking of T-shirts, did you order Michaela Peterson's T-shirt yet?

Starting point is 00:06:33 I did. You did. Yeah, I did. So good. Smart. She made a T-shirt of him being red school. Yeah, her dad. You had to break down the video.

Starting point is 00:06:41 This is insane. So, and I thought it was, I'm like, get out of here. Did you pull up his quote by a chance I asked you to do this? I didn't pull up his quote. I wanted you to pull up. Yeah, but I did. Maybe Doug can get to it. I mean, did you see the whole, okay,

Starting point is 00:06:52 so here's what happened for people out now. Yeah, break it down. So Marvel comics, they put out a new, another Captain America comic. Red Skull is one of his arch nemesis. If people don't know, the Red Skull literally was like a super villain Nazi. And I don't mean a magical Nazi villain. I don't mean figuratively. I mean, literally, he was a Nazi. In fact, the original American, what's his name? Captain

Starting point is 00:07:16 America comics were during that time and he was fight Nazis. That was the original comic books way back in the day. I used to love Captain America. Anyway, Red Skull was a snotty guy. So this new one comes out and Red Skull literally has 10 rules for life in the comic book and a good chunk of them are like right off of Jordan Peterson's 10 rules for life. And it's it was deliberate. I mean, the more you look into it, like the more things you could totally like correlate between what he's put out and what they... I don't get it. Like he's spent his entire career

Starting point is 00:07:51 talking about the terrible, you know, how terrible totalitarianism is him, is how bad Nazi is him is and communism is. I mean, it's all he talks about. And he's been called the Nazi before, which is ridiculous, but this is like a whole nother level, right? They made him an actual fantasy character.

Starting point is 00:08:08 Now do you subscribe to this being political propaganda and is that the move here? Yeah, I think one of two things, what else should it be? My theory is one of two things. One is the guy person who wrote it, knows he'll sell a bunch by doing that, right? So it causes an online...

Starting point is 00:08:23 That could be true. Think about how many people are buying it just for that. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Well, so you got, now you have to share, because I watched the clip. Michaela Peterson came out, she did a whole little like YouTube clip on this whole thing, right?

Starting point is 00:08:37 And she even says that, you know, at first, I just thought it was people making a big deal. And like, you know, everyone always tries to drop, make connections to something. And she's like, oh no, this is boy. Yeah, very blatant. It's my dad. So I love, absolutely love how they're handling this. So what they, what she's decided to do and she's came out and said that any time this happens. So if you're going to continue to slander my father, instead of us getting up in arms and making a big deal about it, what we're going to do is we're going to make light of it and we're going to make merch out of it.

Starting point is 00:09:08 Out of it. And then we're going to, so not just, we're not going to profit, what we're going to do is we're going to take 100% of the proceeds and we're going to give to a good cost. Oh, that's even better. I love that. And what they did with the shirt was, it was, you know, so Hydra is like the group group that red skulls part of it

Starting point is 00:09:25 whatever yeah so they took the Hydra emblem and they made it until like Lobsers because you know there's that whole thing about and and and that's the and then that's the shirt so I'm like I got to support I gotta get that so I'm gonna have to rock very smart I like that I think that's such a smart strategy on media if someone is messing with you it, spin it, and then point it in a good direction because it makes you, makes it very hard to attack you. Did you read, did you find the quote Doug, I was talking about? So on the YouTube video that she did, she, it's in the YouTube notes, I'll just absolutely butcher if I try and repeat Jordan Pierce. It's in the notes. Yeah, it's in,

Starting point is 00:09:59 if you go to the YouTube that she linked, she, right her. She writes a very top or written in the section. It talks about a statement that her father always says about taking evil, something evil, and then turning like good deeds out of it, except for obviously Peterson always uses much bigger words than that. But it's, he speak big words. Yes, it's very eloquent.

Starting point is 00:10:21 So if you read it, I wanted to read it. I wanted you to read it because I thought that was good. Yeah, I'm gonna find it right now. See if I can pull up the, it's in the, okay, let's see here. Now the quote's not in the notes. Oh, yeah, it's out of ignorance, malevolence, and slander, we will thereby derive some palpable good. Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 00:10:44 That's it. Yeah, I think that's it. That's it. Isn't that great? Yeah, I think that's awesome. Yeah, what a cool way to put a spin on that too. It's an interesting time, right, with people attacking each other through media and I guess the winner is always a smarter person, not always the angry person. I think sometimes you come across angry. It makes you look defensive or weak.

Starting point is 00:11:01 I do agree with Justin's theory though, I think that this could have been just a strategy to sell more, right, on their part, before Peterson and God is right for that. So, yeah. Oh, that was a thought. Sorry. Adam never thinks it's mine. I will definitely take credit.

Starting point is 00:11:17 Yes. That's on tape. Yeah. So, that's it. What did it do? What did it do? Yeah. Anyways, do you guys have a good weekend?

Starting point is 00:11:25 That was great. Yeah. You were up in the mountains. Yeah, I was up in the mountains. You got the poles out too, huh? Did you go fly fishing? Yeah, I went fly fishing, got the boys out, and we did some practice.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Obviously, we didn't get much in terms of a nibble or any kind of luck there, but that's okay. It's going to take multiple trips of us getting better and like practicing for him to get there, but they enjoyed it, which I was really stoked on. And then we went for our last run. So it was like the last, I don't know if it was technically the last day, but it was one of the last days

Starting point is 00:11:55 that the resorts were open. And so we went and we were able to go board in one last time. We were sitting there and it was kind of funny. I was, you know, people watching. It's a great place when you're up there in the lodge and just sitting there and it was kind of funny. I was, you know, people watching. It's a great place when you're up there in the lodge and just sitting there and kind of chilling. And I noticed this group of ladies that were like, you know, over 40s, whatever, sort of cougar kind of category,

Starting point is 00:12:16 if you will. And these guys had walked up to them all like, you know, hey, ladies, you know, like doing their pitch and whatever. And so they're kind of giggling and whatnot. I'm just, you know, he ladies, you know, like doing their, their pitch and whatever. And so they're kind of giggling and whatnot. I'm just, you know, slightly paying attention because I got nothing better to do. And they start talking and flirting and this and that. And then they, the guys give her his number, they leave whatever immediately. They go on to Instagram. And they're just roasting this guy between all, all four of them. They're just like, oh look at this

Starting point is 00:12:45 Did look this picture like I'm like, oh my god. This is a thing like this is what people do now I didn't even realize that you know when you give a number It's like now you have like all the visuals and everything else that you can just like start scrolling through it and just you know If this person does this like, oh, that's weird. Wait, so did the guys think that they had, like did the girls make it seem like the guys had a chance when they were talking about it? Oh, totally. Oh, they're all like, he he he.

Starting point is 00:13:12 This one's telling out later. Bro, we have men are no, we are no match for women. No, no. That was my first like, like inside. You were blown away for watching from the side. Yeah, I'm like, these ladies are nasty. I'll dare you. Well, this seems like some nice guys.

Starting point is 00:13:28 That's the game though. Yeah, that reminds me of, remember when we had Inzo working for us, the kid that was fresh out of high school and he was talking about how like the way that you meet or start talking to somebody now, it's not, you wouldn't want, if you're at a party, I remember asking him this, he's like, if you're at a big party and you saw a girl

Starting point is 00:13:44 across the room that you were interested in. She's in the room. Yeah, she's in the room across the way. At this big party, what do you do? And he's like, oh, well, you get on her Facebook page and you request, a friend request. And then only if she accepts, you then comment to her and then she responds, then you're so weird.

Starting point is 00:14:03 I know. But this is like our generation are like older than us even. Like this is how they're doing the single thing. Well, I mean besides that, to me with that highlights is again, we're no match, like the dudes probably, I guarantee you, because I know this is what guys do.

Starting point is 00:14:19 They probably left and their conversation probably sounded like this. Okay, dude, she totally wants a bang ring. Or, you know what I mean? And the women are like, look at him in a swimsuit or look at what an idiot is. Or that girl's trying to be all, you know, ha ha ha like this, and then she calls him later that night.

Starting point is 00:14:35 When friends don't know. You think so? Guaranteed. When they all go home. Yeah dude. Do you want another drink? Nah, I'm gonna go back. So I was gonna sit you loser.

Starting point is 00:14:43 Hey, what are you doing? Yeah. So I wonder how many times that happens and you, you know, guy or girl, right? Then you go and you look the person up and they look like nothing with the person you just met. Like because so many people photo shot and you use filters and it's the best of everything is on Instagram and stuff.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Like how many times does someone go meet somebody and then get their information and then go look up on their social media and like, oh my God, this person is super hot on Instagram. Well, especially when you're wearing a bunch of ski clothes. Yeah, like you don't get any kind of real semblance of what their body, what you're working with. Right, I can see you on Instagram.

Starting point is 00:15:17 Yeah, I don't know how I would sort of, I don't know if I'd like it the way it is now. Like, you know, the old ways, you just shoot a spitball at her or something in the room, you know. Get her attention, you just shoot a spitball at her or something in the room. Get her attention, you know, faster. You light her hair and fly. Yeah, I was like, good stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:15:29 School of drink. Oh, excuse me. What's going on? Punch her in the arm. Yeah, that's fine. I like you. I got a random DM. I actually got a couple from that episode that we did.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Remember when I brought up the whole burger den thing, right? Yes. So somebody was literally, okay, listening to our show and doing their door dash new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new and everything and it has no resemblance of Denny's when you go there. So this makes me, I wonder how many companies are doing this. Why not? If DoorDash is exploding and everybody's pouring food to their door, that's brilliant if you ask me. Totally. Because now you can have a kitchen,

Starting point is 00:16:15 actually if you have a restaurant. Isn't a fresh new start. Bro, if you have a restaurant, you have a kitchen, so you can be like, hey, you wanna start a Chinese restaurant? No. You could, you, exactly. You can literally be a burger, den, you could be a taco place,? No. You could, you, exactly. You could literally be a burger, Dan, you could be a taco place,

Starting point is 00:16:26 and all of it can be coming from Denny's, but you can brand it four different ways and sell to, Now, now here's a deal, because part of me's like, ah, you, you know, tricksters, but then the other part of me's like, you know what? If they're good, they'll do well, if they're not there. They're not, and no, I'm not against this.

Starting point is 00:16:42 They're gonna, if you order a burger from there, even if I could say whatever, it was a burger, Dan, I could say whatever, if I eat it and it's gross and enough people do that, it's gonna get a bad rating, no one's gonna do that. No, I think it's smart. I found a fair. I found a place on DoorDash by my house that I've driven by many times.

Starting point is 00:16:57 I don't want to say the name, because I'm gonna say good things, but also bad things. I used to drive by all the time and they didn't look good. The outside didn't look good, I was like, it's not gonna be good. I saw them on DoorDash, didn't connect it to.

Starting point is 00:17:10 I just saw the name and I ordered from them, amazing food, amazing food. And that is an example of a place that was, because of DoorDash, I tried and loved, and if there was just brick and mortar, I would have never given them a second. I wouldn't even look at them because the way the building looked and everything didn't look like that.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Oh yeah, associations are so powerful. There was a barbecue place like that. Like it got new ownership, but I was just so turned off by my last experience. I went there, like I would never go there otherwise. But if I was to see it in a different branding and you know, they delivered it to me, I tried it and then found out where it was from,

Starting point is 00:17:44 I was be like, whoa, okay, I'll give it a no shot. Speaking of barbecue stuff, do you guys, I noticed like how fast I go through my butcher box now that this, like we're in the spring now? Are you guys the same way? Like when I was over the winter time, that I have a meat freezer, right? So, and we have everything on auto.

Starting point is 00:18:00 So the butcher box gets sent to you. Do you get the biggest box? Yeah, I think it's the biggest box. I think Katrina has its organ, I think it is the butcher box gets into you get the biggest box. Yeah, I think it's the biggest box. I have to Katrina is the one that has it's organized. I think it is the biggest box. And in the winter time, I find that we start to kind of fill the freezer up. Like it's like, I'll get around to cooking that or I don't play, but our right away springtime hits, the nice weather and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:18:18 I'm out grilling so much. And so I go. I get the biggest box and have add-ons and I still I use it up because I just I use it. I have it. I use master. I get the big blocks and have add-ons, and I use it up because I use it. I have it, I use it, I love it. I get, and now I'm to the point where it's mostly tritips, flank steak and rib eyes. Those are the ones that I eat the most, and then I'll have the pork chops and that's it.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Yeah, I do all the steaks, chickens and all that, now in the trigger and then burgers and all that kind of stuff. I'll still do on the grill, and sometimes I'll do it simultaneously, so I'm like cooking it all, because I'm trying to do it Sundays, and we're trying to do more of a prep where we're cooking a lot of the meat at a time.

Starting point is 00:18:50 I gotta do that. Yeah, I just started that. So that's, every time I've done that before, it's helped tremendously. I'm not doing that right now, and when I do, my diet is always way better. Of course, always way better. Of course, and you save money.

Starting point is 00:19:02 Yeah. It's way better. You know, who is it? Because we just, where were we just at when I was, I wanted us, oh, when we went up the trucky last night, I wanted us to do chicken, barbecue chicken instead. Do you guys not eat chicken as much? I eat a lot of chicken.

Starting point is 00:19:14 I eat probably chicken the most. I start eating chicken because it's just has this weird consistency. Like when we went to grill it, it was kind of like chewy, grizzly kind of tasting, but once I started cooking on the trigger, it's a totally different experience. Yeah, I do read meat most of the time. I'd say I probably eat red meat every single day, and I'd say I probably eat chicken two or three times a week.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Oh, okay. Yeah, so I love red meat. It just makes me feel the best, taste the best. If I do chicken, it's thighs. I don't do breasts too often, although I did a little stint with breasts because it was so easy to get a lot of protein through breast. Yeah, I never eat breasts anymore. It's dry. Yeah, it's just, you know, and when you look at the macros,

Starting point is 00:19:55 it's not that, you're not like saving that many calories in the thighs. Thighs, you can cook, you can cook just like you're saying, prepping on a Sunday, and then I can reheat it two or three days later, and because of all the fat, it's still really good. You do chicken breast, and then you reheat chicken breast.

Starting point is 00:20:10 Yeah, so drowsy. I want to ask you Adam, because your son, he's still breastfeeding? No, no more. Oh, no, once we hit the one year, at the one year mark, maybe about, I don't know, a month afterwards, she was done. So when he was, because I did this at the Rayllius as hilarious, I'll tell you a story, but when he was breastfeeding,

Starting point is 00:20:27 did you ever mess with him? Like where he's on the boob and you go down a pretend like you're gonna take the boob away and do that. What would he do? Yeah, no, he pushes his hand on my face. Yeah, he'll push my hand like that. And he still is like this. That's what if I mess with him when he's eating or something like that,

Starting point is 00:20:41 he gives me the stiff arm. Oh yeah, I went in there and I was like, I pulled him off, like I was gonna take the milk from him, you know, and he's like, eh, hilarious. And then he does this thing where he's, when he's breastfeeding, he'll take his face off and look at her nipple or whatever. And then he'll take his hand and he'll grab her poop

Starting point is 00:20:56 and he'll like squeeze. We're dying. He tried to get like, and then a little milk will come out and then he'll do this thing and then he'll move back. And it's just like, can you stop playing with my boots? What's the thing? You guys are on what? Month five, where are we at?

Starting point is 00:21:09 Yeah, we're, I think, five and a half. Five and a half, five and a half months. Okay, now, how are the nights right now? Are you guys still doing good? And then he did a little bit of a regression where there was some challenges. But he seems to be going back. But we had to do the whole all this morning.

Starting point is 00:21:24 In fact, Jessica had, this is the first time it's happened. Now this happened to me. This happens to every parent that I know of, where when you're doing the sleep training thing, you let your kid cry. And one time, every parent's had this. At least one time you let your kid cry. They don't stop crying.

Starting point is 00:21:40 You let him cry. You let him cry. You go in there and then they poop to diapers. You realize there was some shit that happened, right? Yeah, yeah. And I remember the first time that happened to me with my oldest son, where he was screaming, crying, whatever, I'm like, now he'll go back to sleep. Went in there, was poop everywhere, I felt so terrible.

Starting point is 00:21:51 I still feel bad about happening to Jessica this morning. Oh. She has let him cry, let him cry, and she goes in there, and then there was, so I come in from the garage, and the look on her face was like, she was gonna cry, and she's holding him, and he's in his little towel, because she gave him a bath, you know? And she's like, it was pooped everywhere, you know?

Starting point is 00:22:08 Oh! Don't worry, baby. It's me, every now and then it happens. You won't remember. Mine is going through this phase right now that I absolutely love and I want a freeze time. I hope this lasts for a while, but so on the weekends, I'm there for his nap, right?

Starting point is 00:22:23 So during the week I'm not there for his nap time. Like when he goes, he naps like around noon or 11 or noon, somewhere depending on how early he got up that morning. And so during the week, I'm not around for nap time whatsoever. And Katrina always says that like, you know, sometimes it's really hard for the nanny to get him down. And it's like he knows how to manipulate her. I've told you guys this before, he'll get down

Starting point is 00:22:41 and want to play and then he ends up skipping it. He uses cuteness. Yeah, so he totally knows how to manipulate her to get out of his nap. So, I'm never around for nap time, except for on the weekends. And so, what our routine kind of looks like is Saturday morning, he gets up and, you know, he kind of lays with us in bed around 6.37 and is playing around. We watch a little bit of cartoons sometimes for about a half hour and then play in the morning time and then around like 11 o'clock

Starting point is 00:23:07 Or so I know that he's getting kind of tired and I'll normally turn on Music and I turn it on like YouTube videos or whatever and With soon as I turn it on and I blare it like wow like we're dancing and stuff like that As soon as he sees me stand up like I'm gonna dance he comes running over to me He wants me to hold him and dance with him. And I'll dance with him and one song in and he'll start to nustle his head into me. And the music I'm telling you is like full blast

Starting point is 00:23:32 and he'll completely pass out on me like rockin'. Is that the video that you did? You posted that? Yeah, that was this weekend. Oh, that was that. Oh yeah, and then he'll sleep on me for an hour and a half, two hours while I'm sitting there listening to like music like full blast Now if you turn the music off does he wake up? So yeah, if I come I can turn it down a little bit

Starting point is 00:23:52 But it still needs to keep playing okay, so this is weird. This is an interesting thing So it's the same thing with my with my son Whatever sound or is going on when he falls asleep has to continue. Yeah from to stay asleep So if we're having conversations and he falls asleep, you gotta keep having conversations, otherwise he wakes up. So in other words, going quiet makes him wake up. Yeah, no, he's the same way.

Starting point is 00:24:14 If we, I can take it from like blasting to like, you know, to where, because Katrina's like, it's so loud, she wants to leave, and she's like, it's too loud. I'm like, no, it's fine. He likes it. I like it. And so he'll fall asleep, and she's like, it's too loud. And like, no, it's fine. He likes it. I like it. And so he'll fall asleep, and then I can,

Starting point is 00:24:26 she can bring it down a little bit. But if she's, we've done it before, where she goes really low, and then also, he gets startled and he wakes up. And like, yeah, the noise, he's fine. He's there. Yeah, I've heard of some parents that even like, we'll invite people over all the time,

Starting point is 00:24:39 and they'll stop and everything, like, and make sure that there's like lots of like noise. I was, a lot of people recommended that to me. They said, you know, you want to get them early on used to sleeping in that environment. Otherwise, if you create this like perfect silent environment, always for them, good luck maintaining that. Yeah. Cause then you're going to the inevitable is going to happen.

Starting point is 00:24:58 You're going to travel with them or he's going to be in an area where there's there's light or noise or garbage truck or something. Yeah. Exactly. Now, I get that I understand the sentiment for that, but the reality is, they're still not getting as good a sleep as when it's quiet. So, for example, I mean, I could crash out and fall asleep in this room,

Starting point is 00:25:17 but it's not gonna be as restful because of the bright lights. Even though I'm sleeping, it's not the same. So, this is the struggle that we have, do we do that? And but I get that sentiment because you also don't wanna create such a situation where they can't sleep unless everything's perfect.

Starting point is 00:25:32 And then they get no sleep. Some sleep's better than those. It's still ended up work because, honestly, I lost that battle. I was the one who was like, let it be loud, let the light be in, everything like that. Katrina was like, no, like our room is like, she made me put, I don't even know,

Starting point is 00:25:44 you could get this stuff. I think home depots where we got it. You can put this inside your windows. You can put blackout stuff. Yeah, like it's like almost like a tent that you put on there and just peels on and off really easy. So we have that, then we have the blackout shades and then we have curtains over.

Starting point is 00:25:59 So like his room, it could be too long in the afternoon and you can't see shit. Dude, when we take the baby for a walk in it cause he falls asleep in the stroller sometimes, we bought these little baby like headphones that like go over his head, his ears and just muffle out sound. So he's, it's the funniest thing, we put him on him. If he lets us put him on him, it's very effective.

Starting point is 00:26:17 He'll stay asleep very long, but it's funny cause they're big and he's got this little face. Which is, which is his cheeks. It's literally a little DJ. No, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, so then we finally fall asleep. He's got this little face. Which is just, it's literally a little DJ. No, so it squishes his cheeks, so then we finally fall asleep, he's like this.

Starting point is 00:26:27 So I'll lift a finger. Oh my God, this is hilarious. Oh, man. I can't wait to show this picture to you. I'll just go for it. Justin, did you guys, did you and Doug watch the video that South sent over, the economist? Did you guys watch that?

Starting point is 00:26:42 No. Yeah, so Glenn Beck had, do you know the name of the guy? I don't know. So there's a name of a really popular economist. Did you guys watch that? No. Having yet. No. Yeah, so Glenn Beck had, what do you know the name of the guy? I don't know. So there's a name of a really popular economist. Apparently he's predicted some of the, the previous crashes. Pretty well. I'm very, really, according to him, it was really accurate. How well he's predicted the other crashes.

Starting point is 00:27:00 And he came on, Glenn Beck, sourced it over, and I listened to it. Really good conversation. And he per-dent. Harry Dent. Harry Dent. So he predicts in the next 45, 60 days that we see this bubble burst

Starting point is 00:27:12 that Salson's been talking about for some time. Yeah, well, all the, I mean, everything points to the fact that it's crazy. How much money they're pumping into everything and everything keeps going up like crazy. There has to be some consequence at the end of this. That's just logic. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:27:28 And now he says it's gonna get real bad because we had the stock market, bubble pop or the dot com bubble pop. We had the real estate bubble pop in 2008. And he's saying that this next one is gonna be a money bubble, meaning that because we've just printing money and pumping it to everything,

Starting point is 00:27:47 that that's going to affect everything. Because if the money bubble pops, then it doesn't matter. Now, I agree more, so Glenn Beck actually argued with him or he challenged him. He says, respectfully, I'd like to challenge that. And he says, I think that if we do see it, we're not going to see it as soon as you think we're gonna see. He's calling 45, 60 days.

Starting point is 00:28:07 He's like this summer. Yeah, he's saying, yeah, he's saying, this is around the corner, we're gonna see this huge crash. And I think what Glenn Beckett is saying, which is, I think we're gonna see some crazy amount of money getting printed. I think, I agree. I agree.

Starting point is 00:28:24 Yeah. I just see a lot of policies keep pushing it out. You know, keep pushing it as long as they can to, you know, try and shield everybody from what the inevitable is. Yeah, I heard a rumor and I don't know if this is true. I don't know if you read this anywhere, but I heard that Biden was trying to pass a relief bill for the four barrens that would actually allow people

Starting point is 00:28:44 that are behind on their mortgage to extend their mortgages to 40 years. Yeah, remember you brought that up and I looked it up. I couldn't find that anywhere. Yeah, I wish I remember where. Well, nobody wants to feel, nobody wants to be in office when the correction happens. So the goal is to pump it until the next time. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:29:01 It's a blame. Yeah, a pump and blame. Because what's going to require, if you're looking at it and you're looking everything, you're saying, okay, we need to fix this before it explodes. Just like a huge shit ball. You still have to, you're gonna have to cut stuff and make costs and pain.

Starting point is 00:29:16 And you don't wanna be the guy or girl in charge to do that. You wanna be the, I am out, it wasn't my fault. It's the next day. Now, do you understand the logic behind like that? So I forget the name of that economic philosophy to just keep infusing money into the economy. And it doesn't really exist.

Starting point is 00:29:34 I mean, it does. Well, it does. Keynesian economics says that they talk about. I don't think it's Keynesian. I think there's another name for it. And I wish I could remember, I'll look it up and maybe the next time on the podcast, I'll bring it up. But I think the idea is that so long as it grows the GDP

Starting point is 00:29:51 year over year, that you can get away with it because of how big the GDP is. Yeah, but you know what, here's the problem with GDP. This is a big problem with GDP. GDP, if let's say the government says, we're gonna spend $10 trillion on, I don't know, putting solar panels on every single building in America or something, right? That goes to GDP.

Starting point is 00:30:12 So it could be, it could be, they could say we're going to make, we're going to create 10 billion paper straws. We could make, you know, we're going to make everybody's shirt red. We could come up whatever they want. If they spend it, it goes to GDP. So if government spending goes up, GDP automatically goes up. So that's, it's a little bit misleading when you look at just GDP. So you're right, it is Keynesian. So it does say that the theory of proposed the spinning

Starting point is 00:30:34 boost of course I'm right. I thought there was another term for that where you just keep pumping money in. So long as it continues to increase the GDP, it's like the, and because of all the regulations they put in to protect the bank, so they would never fail after what we learned from OA. Yeah, no. If you, I mean, the two competing schools of thought with, I guess, what you call capitalism

Starting point is 00:31:00 or free market economics would be Austrian and Kenzian. But in the big differences, one believes in, you know, more of this kind of injection of cash or free market economics would be Austrian and Kenzian. But in the big differences, one believes in more of this kind of injection of cash, whereas the other one believes more in allowing the market to weed out bad or malinvestment. So this guy's theory, this Harry Dent guy, unfortunate name, Harry Dent.

Starting point is 00:31:19 I can't get past that. Yeah, anyway, he thinks that what's gonna happen is that the central banks, everyone's gonna turn on the central banks. And finally, say that this is, you know, this is just not working and we need to get rid of them. And obviously it's whatever. Now, Glenn Beck, I agree with him.

Starting point is 00:31:38 He thinks what's gonna happen, he goes, no, they're gonna level up and they're gonna bring it on the global scale. So the argument will be, the reason why this happened Everybody is because we need global Currency we need a global blank. We need global stimulus that'll fix it. Yeah, and I I agree with him I think they'll just level up. That's what I agree. I think what he says. I don't think we see a crash in 45-year-old order. Oh man. She did just not exactly what it is dude. This talk is reminding me of something that I watched

Starting point is 00:32:04 Did you guys want it either one of you guys wants the new? You did just run out of exactly what it is. Dude. This talk is reminding me of something that I watched. Did you guys watch it? Either one of you guys watched the new, it's the largest art robbery ever on Netflix. Oh yeah, I just watched the preview for that, but that was an excellent watch. Really good. Okay, so now, okay, so I forget the name of it,

Starting point is 00:32:21 what the name of the, maybe Doug can look at the documentary, it's trending in a top 10 on Netflix right now, it's the largest art robbery something, I don't know what the title is, something like that. So, one of the things I'm watching it, right? So this is early on before I kind of disunfolds. And I'm thinking, you know what, like, if someone steals a rim brand or a Picasso, like, what the fuck do you do with it?

Starting point is 00:32:41 I know, who do you sell it to? Because you can't sell it to anyone, you can't even show it off because it's so famous that if some but the wrong person comes in your house and sees it. Now, I mean, this is time factor. Like, if say 10 years goes by 20 years, no way, bro, no way.

Starting point is 00:32:56 No way. So, try and guess, because I'm gonna give you guys the answer that blew my mind. So, here's what I would think. I would think that you can sell it. There's a black market for it, and it's much less expensive,

Starting point is 00:33:06 or you make less money, but you'll sell to like some chic somewhere, or some some, some, some like party leader. Yeah, somebody on the black market. It's there, it's called, it's called, this is a robbery. The world's biggest art heist.

Starting point is 00:33:18 Wow. So you're partially right. Okay, so, and that was, so I can, so what I, well, I speculated with Katrina that that it would be used as collateral in the blockage. So for example, so you're a big cocaine dealer and you've got, you know, 10 kilos you, and normally when you drug deal, you can sign that to somebody. So just let's say, just that I'm the big cocaine.

Starting point is 00:33:39 Yeah, so Justin's a big cocaine dealer. I supply him. I've got, you obviously doesn't use it. Right. I have him. I've got, you obviously doesn't use it. Right. I have to. I've got 10 kilos that I'm going to give to him. You're saying, okay? And in order for him to get that from me since he doesn't have the money to pay all that upfront, he would give me this piece of art as collateral. So we could go do that.

Starting point is 00:33:58 But that's not even the number one way that this is actually used that I had no idea about. So because the art is such a big deal, right? There's only one of these rim brands. There's only one of these Picasso's. This, I mean, this gets the FBI involved like crazy. So with a lot of these, these like, a lot of people that are, you know, thieves,

Starting point is 00:34:17 what they do is they steal these and they use it as a bartering chip to get themselves out of jail. So you, you, you go rob one of these paintings. You got this as like a, get out of free jail card later on. So five years goes down the road and you get pot for doing a bank robbery. And the cops are just like, oh, you're going in. So it's like you could say to them, look, here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:34:40 I can find this for you. Yes. If you lighten my sentence, so that's like we need pink Panther. That's what they actually interview like a notorious like thief that had he has stole like hundreds and hundreds of more that he got away with brilliant though you get out of jail. I know that didn't even cross my mind because all I could think about originally was like what the hell do you do with this?

Starting point is 00:35:05 You can't sell it online. It would you be caught right away? You can't hang it up in your house. I know because even if you hang in your house I was gonna believe you like bro. This is a real right They're not believe you or they're gonna tell somebody like he's got that rim brand that's been missing I would think that you would sell it on the same black market. Yeah, but like rhinoceros horns Yeah, but think about this. What is that person gonna do? Like the person who buys it is not gonna. Well, I don't know, bro, because if you guys ever seen,

Starting point is 00:35:30 who's the major drug kingpin of, was he Mexico, South America, Pablo Escobar? You ever seen pictures of his house, and his tigers and his shit that he is? This is like real exotic random stuff. Someone like that would put shit up like that in his house. Have you seen the gold oozey? Yeah, have you seen some of this old,

Starting point is 00:35:49 what is how? Pull up, Doug, pull up, pull up, Pobble Eskibar is like. He like golden like assault rifles everywhere. Well, he's also. Yeah, a gold room. He's like an exception to roll two. Like the FBI is scared of that guy.

Starting point is 00:35:59 You know what I'm saying? Like somebody at that level is totally different. I'm saying. Also, also, also think about this way. You just stole a Rembrandt and you, you're like, I wanna sell this Pablo Escobar. How do you do that?

Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah, let's meet in person. Yeah, exactly. How do you find that guy? You'll be like, I'll give this to you for five million and he goes, I'll take it for five dollars. Okay, here. Oh yeah, here we are. Yeah, you may have it.

Starting point is 00:36:19 See if we can see the other house behind this side. No, yeah, do Pablo Escobar's gold room or gold, you know, weird, he own tigers and monkeys and He's got yeah, he's got gold. I don't know. I thought that was really fascinating because that never crossed my mind that you could use it as a bartering chip but because it was it's so infamous right there's only so many of these paintings that I mean the FBI is involved That's a big deal, dude. There's massive rewards out for it. So it's like, you get caught up for some bank robbery and it's like, hey, I know where this,

Starting point is 00:36:51 you know, that rim brand that was stolen 10 years ago is that if I tell you where it's at or I get it for you, will you lighten my sense or let me off? Now, are they stealing this from museums or people's personal collections? You see, both actually. So the guy that they interviewed in the documentary, he's everything.

Starting point is 00:37:08 He's stolen from private facilities to up to museums and stuff. So they do this. So I want to see how he did it. Because don't they have crazy lasers and security? Well, no. So this is the biggest. So the big, you would be blown away

Starting point is 00:37:22 by the one that the biggest art robbery, so it was estimated at $200 million and art was stolen from this place. Wow. And it's not even all of it. They just took a handful of things. But if you saw how easy it was, it was like, they were super vulnerable. Super vulnerable. They just walked into it.

Starting point is 00:37:40 Yeah, the security system was, it wasn't that like- Just it seemed too many movies. Like after like lasers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got to was, it was not like- Just the scene too many movies. Like, are there like lasers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gotta break some kind of glass. You know, with smoke that comes out, that with the Sean Connery,

Starting point is 00:37:51 where it's the entrapment, or what is it? Oh, is that the one with catharsis? Yes, yes. What's she like, so like does the little, the little, the famous scene where she's in all black, and she works through all the lasers. Fantastic. I distinctly remember the thing.

Starting point is 00:38:05 Speaking of things along those lines, dude, you guys don't hear scary statistic. You know how I've been talking about now for a while how men's testosterone levels have been dropping. Oh my God. You talk about like with 40 years from now we're all gonna be infertile. There's that, right?

Starting point is 00:38:19 How bad fertility's getting? So here's something to put in perspective, right? I actually took a screenshot of this and I got a, oh here we go. So here we go, ready? The, this is crazy now. The, an average 22 year old male today, so the average 22 year old today,

Starting point is 00:38:37 has got the testosterone levels of a 67 year old in 2000. Oh my God. In the year 2000, bro. So a 67 year old in the year 2000 had the testosterone level of the average 22 year old male today. You can't tell me there's this is crazy. Look at this. Average testosterone has fallen close to 50% in the last two decades. What? Yeah. There's this world wide. There's this. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes okay. Yes Yes, I told you one of the one of the most random and interesting things I found with like being doing what we're doing now right being out on Social media. That's like when I started talking about my test Austro and use and my whole experience and the hormone therapy and everything that is the number one thing that I get

Starting point is 00:39:21 DMs I would not have guessed that I would, just because when I got involved with using steroids back when I was in my early 20s, it was very taboo and not a lot of people talked about it. And you just didn't hear a lot of people even talking about their testosterone levels. And that is, and it's young guys. It is. It's guys under the age of 30 that are reaching out

Starting point is 00:39:42 to be wanting to hear my opinion on what they should do. Whatever is causing this, and most of the theories are pointing to chemicals in the environment, just exposure to these chemicals that affect our hormones. Yeah. You know, it's not just low testosterone and man, it's also how babies are developing in the womb. It's how testosterone is a very important hormone for male development. It's what makes us, man, literally in the womb,

Starting point is 00:40:07 the baby is essentially the same, whether it goes female or male, then the injection of testosterone is what makes the fetus turn into a male. And that's of course triggered by chromosomes or whatever. But, you know, so it's not just the man, young men they're having this. And then again, low testosterone causes all kinds of problems,

Starting point is 00:40:26 anxiety issues, low confidence, you lose intelligence, you can actually decline, cancer risks go up. It's really wild. I mean, 50% in two decades, holy shit, man. This is super alarmed. This is crazy. And it's actually a very big deal. We need to figure out what the hell is going on.

Starting point is 00:40:44 And so there's something that we have in our, there's some, there's chemicals that are causing certain things. And they're finding a lot of these chemicals in like babies, breast milk, and... Do you really think it's that? Or do you think it's just a combination of a whole bunch of stuff? What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:40:58 I think there's a single chemical? No, I don't think it's just chemicals is what I'm saying. I think it's like, I think there's more like I'm saying. I think there's more cultural stuff happening. I think there's a lot of things that are probably playing against the culture. I think it's the cultural stuff that are happening because of the low decline. Yeah, I think it's mostly, I think it's mostly,

Starting point is 00:41:14 to see that much of a decline in not even one generation, 20 years, right? That is a strong environmental push. There's something coming from the environment that's really affected. So I would love to see then a study of like, you know, because there's definitely people that, even a decade ago that are raising kids

Starting point is 00:41:30 like very hippie-like, right? All-hole food, all-no, Xeno-essergins, like everything is like, they're very careful of all that. It would be interesting to find a community of people that have been consistent with that since kids birth and see where their hormone levels are and compare them to some of the news. I'd love to see this like whatever. Form your lot, everything, chemicals, everything, I don't care.

Starting point is 00:41:50 I take care. I'd like to see that too, but here's the problem. They find these chemicals in the urine and blood of people who don't even use a lot of these products. It's so prevalent in everything. It's in the rain and everything else. Like it's just, yeah, it just, it makes its way in the environment everywhere. But I would think though, if that's the only place you're getting it, and then you do a

Starting point is 00:42:10 good job of avoiding it all at least. Yeah, at least some. Yeah, you would see some. There'd be less damage. Because it isn't that, I mean, the in the water, because you brought out that the other day and things like that, that has to be on the lower end, right, as far as the offenders or the highest. I, so the ones that they're highlighting are these plastics. Like BPA was one of them, right, these plastics that are, and look, plastics everywhere,

Starting point is 00:42:33 plastics revolutionized our lives. But a lot of these, these chemicals, they find in some of these plastics, they think are the big, mean, offenders. Well, that's a conundrum, right? I mean, you look at like surgery, you look at like plastic for everything in terms of medical advancements has been crucial for all that. But now, the unintended consequences now, those actually give us chemicals that are artificial. This is an existential threat, if you think about it, right? If this continues at the in this path, we could, this could literally be the biggest problem

Starting point is 00:43:05 that mankind has ever encountered. If we become infertile, you know what we're gonna do? We're just clone, like how we can have kids just start cloning each other? Cause I don't know where you'd go from there. This is all great science fiction movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:18 That's great. That's what I'm thinking right now, too, is I've listened to this. This is real life. Yeah, that's happening. Hey, since we're talking about studies, so check this out, this is pretty cool. So here's how protective muscle mass is in the body.

Starting point is 00:43:30 So this study was talking about how protective it was for heart disease, men with a lot of muscle mass and high body fat. So guys who have a lot of fat, but also a lot of muscle decrease the risk of heart disease by 26%. So just having more... Because of the muscle. Because of the muscle.

Starting point is 00:43:47 Just having more muscle, even with high body fat. Now, the men who were lean with more muscle decreased their risk by 60%. But still, it just goes to show how protective muscle is for your... I was having a conversation with my brother of the weekend, I finally got to see him in a season of place.

Starting point is 00:44:03 And he had one of the vaccines and had a really crazy reaction to it, the second shot. He had a crazy reaction to it. What happened? Well, basically he got all the symptoms of COVID. Like he might as well just got it. But yeah, it was like for three or four days, it was just like out. And but his wife was fine. Nothing like didn't even feel anything And the thing about it is like my brother and I are like polar opposites like it

Starting point is 00:44:32 He used to play sports with me like he was actually like really talented at sports But like he'd never really got into the working outside of it and like was just avoided lifting weights like nothing like Like so he'll do some hikes and things But he's never really like built muscle and And so I'm wondering if that has, you know, a factor in all this of, you know, having that sort of like extra barrier of protection against, you know, these foreign sure. Yeah, like I would think so. I was bringing that up with him, and because he's never even like been interested, I haven't pushed it on him. I actually was getting your book for him because he'd be like the perfect guy to understand.

Starting point is 00:45:08 He needs to know why it's so essential that you lift weights. Yeah, and it's good because it's coming from someone else. I can imagine he probably doesn't want to listen to a thing you say because you're his, oh yeah, and he's the older brother, right? So he's got all the answers. I was always coming him for all the answers.

Starting point is 00:45:22 Well, speaking of talented athletes and not wanting to listen to anything you have to say did you guys see my Instagram? Which one that my Instagram post about the the My god, what's the name of the tonal when I did? Oh, everybody's the 1.6 billion value is it is it overvalued? Yeah, no, I didn't say overvalued I said is it overrated underrated properly rated was I literally put, just trying to get a feel for it. Yeah, so I literally wrote, I did a picture that is on their website, I think of their product,

Starting point is 00:45:50 and I put, you know, tonal receives $1.6 billion valuation, overrated, underrated, properly rated, and just wanted to get a feel of my audience. And boy did I piss off my buddy. Oh, I saw that. My buddy got on there. My buddy, Brendan got on there, and now, I didn off my buddy. Oh, I saw that. My buddy got on there. My buddy, Brendan got on there and now I didn't actually know this and obviously he's invested in it, right?

Starting point is 00:46:10 So, hearing me rag on it and talk about how I think it's overrated is just totally, I mean, he took it, he took offense though. Oh man, he went back, he went so hard on me about it that because I don't. He kept comparing it to Instagram, which I thought was silly. He's like, oh, Instagram at one point,

Starting point is 00:46:26 was it making any money and that look? You know what the problem is? And we've seen, how many times have we seen this Adam, where people come in to the fitness space and they don't know fitness. And so they view it like, I don't know, like a tech company. And they say, oh, it's got technology, it's got this many users.

Starting point is 00:46:43 We've seen other tech companies grow from there. Doesn't work like an app. No, it doesn't work that way. That's the bottleneck. The bottleneck people have to work out. Keeping people working out consistently and a lot of them. If you can figure that out, you've solved the puzzle, right? Yeah, that was my, I mean, and that was his argument was that because I haven't actually

Starting point is 00:47:04 seen all their financials and know the quote quote, unquote, stickiness of the product. I have, you know, I have no leg to stand on to even put my opinion in. I was like, well, okay, dude, I don't know all those things, but I think my experience in this space for as long as I've been doing this, I have some sort of leg to stand on in this. To your point, that's exactly right, is that fitness is a different monster. A lot of the all, not a lot,

Starting point is 00:47:30 all of the tech companies that have gone public and made billions of dollars, yeah, the stickiness, and they're addictive. I mean, they suck people in and people use them day in and day out for hours forever. Fitness has never been that way. Nothing has been invented. Nothing has ever came out in the history of us working out

Starting point is 00:47:51 that has been so sticky that you become addicted to it. It compares it to social media. And then it dies. Yes. The most effective modality or whatever you want to call it that's gotten people to stay the most consistent is personal training. Nothing comes close to personal training.

Starting point is 00:48:05 And even personal training, isn't even the same universe as like social media. People use Instagram on their toilet all the time, they're looking at whatever. People, this is the problem. This is what we're trying to solve, right? Is get people to start and stay consistent. That's the other thing, the other point that I brought up

Starting point is 00:48:23 was that anything that is a bandaid, right, for this, like it, or is treating the symptom and is not the cure and is not revolutionary, it is not going to stick around and blow up and to be these worth billions and billions of dollars. And a lot of these businesses, and I know I was really going hard on them because he's also a big investor in Orange Theory.

Starting point is 00:48:45 And it's, I said, I hate to tell you this, man, but they aren't the answer, man. Orange Theory is not the answer for everybody. I'm sorry. Are there some people that enjoy it and have success? Well, sure, I'm not denying that, but it's not really solving the problem. When we talk about obesity and the things

Starting point is 00:48:59 that we talk about on this show, that type of training is not the answer. We saw it with curves, we saw it with CrossFit, Orange Theory, and this is a cycle. And someone will come out with a new way to work out. That's fun, gets people hyped and motivated, which doesn't last. And it goes like this. And that's part of why, part of why Orange Theory did so well. And I remember, I remember seeing it and going, this is brilliant.

Starting point is 00:49:20 I mean, they integrated tech into the Group X type of training model very, very well. They took a piece from the CrossFit community thing and some of the exercises and the circumtrading and the competitiveness. They blended new good tech and it was clean, it was very seamless. And they created this incredible environment that built a lot of hype and energy and motivation for people. But that what we know, that's all fleeting. Like eventually people get tired of that.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Eventually, achy joints come and happen. And eventually what ends up happening is they fall off and then the newness wears off and then we're on to the next trend. Yeah, it's crazy. Cause I mean, even Fitbit, like I had high hopes for Fitbit because they centered it around community,

Starting point is 00:50:03 which was like one of the first tech companies really understand that it's about bringing your friends in, bringing your family in, other people, it's like a support system, but even that, the newness of it, the excitement of it just totally just away. Fitbit, my fitness pal, Body Bug, the Nike, the Nike one.

Starting point is 00:50:21 They're all, they're all. They're not tech companies, stop. They're all cool. Yeah, stop looking at them like they're Apple or Google or whatever. They're fitness companies that use tech. And so you have to treat it that way. It's not gonna be like a tech company.

Starting point is 00:50:32 So if the fitness isn't good, it's just never gonna work. You have to like somehow the unicorns gonna be both of those together, but I don't know what that looks like. Okay, here's my opinion. In my opinion, if you want the masses to consistently exercise and has to be a cultural phenomenon,

Starting point is 00:50:47 there is no product that I'll ever do it. And what's my evidence? You look at cultures where, you know, like you go to like certain parts of Asia where people wake up in the morning and they exercise, it's part of their culture. In fact, some companies do this in Japan, before they start work, they do calisthenics.

Starting point is 00:51:03 Or after dinner, it's cultural that everybody goes for a walk. Or cities are designed in ways to where it's less convenient to drive and more convenient to walk. That's the only time you see people exercising. That's right. Regularly, it has to be a part of the culture. What the products are going to do is they're just going to trade that same 20% back and forth. Now, what we're trying to do is we're trying to work with the deeper part, and this Now what we're trying to do is we're trying to work with the deeper part, and this is what we're trying to do

Starting point is 00:51:28 with the podcast and what we learn through personal training. But still, we're not gonna solve it. It's a massive hill to come. It's a massive hill. It's very, very challenging. If it's not a part of the culture, it's gonna be a very difficult thing. Yeah, and by the way, I'm rooting for these things,

Starting point is 00:51:43 because here's the thing, even if it just treats the symptom, if it brings new people into searching for the cure, I'm all for it. You know, so I'm not like, and I wanted to make that clear, they're like, this is not me, I'm not coming out bashing tonal, I'm not bashing or serious, I'm just telling everybody who's listening,

Starting point is 00:52:00 it ain't the fucking cure. This isn't the answer to you like long-term fitness and health. It is not. It's a cool thing that has got a lot of hype and energy around brilliant marketing, great timing right now, that everybody's hyped about, but I'll tell you right now, fast forward 10 years and tell me if it's still around crush it. The cure is within you. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:52:20 That's the truth. I'm going to circle back real quick because I know I'm gonna get DMs of people saying, what products should I avoid? I'm talking about the testosterone thing that I brought up with the chemical plastic itself. I mean, I always get DMs and I always forget to give people like takeaways. So here's a good takeaway.

Starting point is 00:52:37 Don't store things in plastic containers and don't drink out of plastic water bottles. Those have been shown to leak plastic, not only that, but to leak chemicals, but also in the manufacturing process of making plastic bottles, there's microscopic plastic pieces in pretty much every single bottle. If you have a plastic shaker cup and you store it in your car and you wash it or whatever, it hot cold,

Starting point is 00:53:00 it little by little starts to leak these chemicals. So you wanna use metal or glass, I know mirror is a company we've worked with in past, they make really good containers and they're they last and they don't leach chemicals. So it's a good place to start, right? Well, I love a company like Meer too because every time you make a purchase, they're also giving back and they're doing right. So you want to talk about a cool company to invest in and also take care of your health totally. This Quas brought to you by Organify.

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Starting point is 00:54:01 existed your body all right so i'm going to reword question. How do you bulk gain muscle without gaining any extra body fat? All right, it's virtually. Yeah, well, there's a couple of things here, okay? Number one, it doesn't take that many extra calories to build muscle. You're not gonna gain muscle anything faster

Starting point is 00:54:21 than a couple pounds a month. You know, maybe faster if you're a new person, you got crazy genetics or whatever. But even at three pounds a month, which would be amazing. If you're getting three pounds of muscle in a month that'd be phenomenal, if you did the math on how many calories it took to produce that,

Starting point is 00:54:37 it's not much at all. It's like an extra 50 calories a day. So on the one hand, you want to bulk in a way where you're eating minimal extra calories to build muscle. By the way, you also want to have a very strong muscle building signal along with that. So you want to have a good workout program that's telling your body to build muscle. But here's the other side of that because I know people listening are like, it doesn't work for me. I gotta

Starting point is 00:55:00 eat way more calories to build any muscle at all. Well, the reason behind that is because eating extra calories also sends a muscle building signal. Believe it or not, if you bumped your calories by 500 calories above maintenance, or even a thousand above maintenance, if there's an anabolic part to it, right? It does send a muscle building signal. So this is where we get into this kind of gray area.

Starting point is 00:55:24 Now, I know you said Adam, for example, that it's impossible or whatever. If the signal is strong enough, the body will build muscle. And all I have to do is point to studies where men are given injections of testosterone, so they're given steroids, and their body weight oftentimes doesn't change, but they lose fat and build muscle at the same time. Now of course they have a very loud hormonal signal, but that just highlights that the signal is the most important thing.

Starting point is 00:55:52 If you're really telling your body to build muscle effectively, you're getting good sleep, obviously you're eating healthy, and you're following a workout, this is the most important part, you're following a workout that is appropriately intense, has the appropriate amount of volume, is utilizing the best exercises, you're seeing a workout that is appropriately intense, has the appropriate amount of volume, is utilizing the best exercises you're seeing strength gains. If that is sending a very, very good muscle building signal,

Starting point is 00:56:12 it doesn't take that many more calories to build muscle. I think you have to be a black belt to do this, right? Totally. And it's really a genetic freak. Well, it's less to, and even if you are a genetic freak, it's still the mental discipline that you have to have. Because you have to understand that you could very well be building muscle at the perfect rate and not see the scale move whatsoever. And so if

Starting point is 00:56:38 you're somebody that's trying to build and you know you're eating, or you think you're eating extra calories, and you don't see the scale going up anyway. It really messes with your head. It really makes you think you don't wanna ramp it up. Yeah, or you might even see it like the scale go down to your point, you could lose body fat. I mean, if you eat more calories, you speed up the metabolism,

Starting point is 00:56:58 you build some more muscle, which speeds up the metabolism. And so there's a chance that you could add it a pound of muscle, but then also maybe lost a pound and a half of fat along here two or three week journey. And then go, oh my god, I'm definitely not doing this right. I'm losing weight. You're right. But in reality, you could actually be just in part. So the hardest part about this is the mental discipline to just stay the course to believe that, okay, I've figured this out.

Starting point is 00:57:23 I've got enough calories. I know I'm eating well, I've got, I'm falling a good program, I'm training consistently, and I'm seeing strength go up and just staying the course. There's no way around it, like, it's gonna, if you were to try to really nail this down, it's gonna take a really long time and spread out and really managing your calories at a level

Starting point is 00:57:45 that is just barely noticeably in a surplus. Like you just have to very much be meticulous about it. I just don't know that a lot of people have that kind of. No, I suck at this for years, right? Because I was the skinny kid that wanted to gain weight. And so the scale was so important to me. If the scale went up, well, I'm crushing and I'm doing a good job.

Starting point is 00:58:06 But the reality is, that doesn't always tell you everything. So there's a few tips that I'll give you that I think can help a lot. And this is just based on my own experience. Number one, are you getting stronger? Okay, so if your strength is going up, you're definitely not losing muscle, or it's very unlikely that you're losing muscle,

Starting point is 00:58:22 and you're probably gaining muscle, or at least going in that direction. So are you getting stronger? Number two, also use either body fat tests or circumference measurements. Now for me, when I gain body fat, it's typically around my waist. So if I measure my waist,

Starting point is 00:58:41 I can tell if I'm getting leaner or gaining body fat. If the scale goes up and my waist doesn't go up, it's muscle or if the scale goes up and my waist goes down, holy cow, I'm doing the only thing. The only reason why I don't like that one is because of inflammation in the gut, water retention and a lot of thing.

Starting point is 00:58:58 Yeah, you can't take one measurement to heart. You gotta do it like kind of friends. I like the body fat one. And if you follow me since the beginning, this is actually how I built my Instagram. So when I came out and I measured my body fat percentage and it was at 20% body fat, which at that time of my life, I'd never been that high before.

Starting point is 00:59:15 I was 212 pounds. And when I showed the journey, I actually, my goal was to stay at 212. And that's where, so when I came all the way down to 7%, I was 212 still. And the goal was to show at 212. And that's where, so when I came all the way down to 7%, I was 212 still. And the goal was to show people that I didn't need to have this huge swing one way or the other. I didn't need to add on 20 pounds of muscle

Starting point is 00:59:32 to then lose 30 pounds total and a body fat. It was like, I'm gonna hover right around this 212. Now mind you, week to week, you know, I had some 214s, the 211s. And the goal was that kind of, that my home base was 2-12. The way I looked at it was if I started to creep up, I would back off calories a little bit.

Starting point is 00:59:51 If I started to really dip down, I would increase a little bit, but I was really trying to stay. Because I knew I had plenty of body fat to trim off, I knew that I was consistent with training, which I wasn't before that. I was sitting in a signal to build muscle. If I could keep my calories in a place that my body was kind of hovering around that weight, I was training correctly and consistently, and I was eating good, that I'm probably having a nice little exchange.

Starting point is 01:00:13 Yeah, and then here's the other part of it too, and this took me a long time to understand is that building muscle is a slow ass process. So if you're bulking, you're like, oh, hell yeah, I gained 10 pounds this month. It's probably not all muscles. It's actually probably mostly not muscle. You just, nobody builds muscle that fast. Unless it's muscle memory. So unless you were super buffed before

Starting point is 01:00:35 and you stop working out, lost a lot of muscle in the store, and you're working out, or you're like the one in a million or a billion. But muscle building is a slow process. So if you're inching up on the scale ever so slowly, where every couple months you go up a couple pounds or a pound and it sticks and you're getting stronger

Starting point is 01:00:53 and you're noticing in the mirror that you see more definition, you're probably gaining muscle. But boy, does it take a ridiculous amount of patience? Because I know what your time about your journey that you did Adam, where you did that weight transfer. That was after years of you working out and doing it. No way I would have been in your body for a while. I would have never been able to do that as a kid

Starting point is 01:01:11 because I was so impatient. Oh yeah, no, I didn't have the discipline as a kid to do that. I'm glad you brought that up though. I was just gonna say you just put up. No, no, no, no, talking about the muscle memory. Yes. So I get tagged on this a lot.

Starting point is 01:01:23 So this is a good time to bring this point up. So we get tagged a lot on people that show like these crazy transformations. And people want me to like point out how fake it has to be. And being truthful, they're not always that, that some of them are fake. A lot of people Photoshop, a lot of people do that. But for me to come in and accuse somebody and say,

Starting point is 01:01:40 just because they showed this ridiculous transformation in 60 to 90 days, is fake? That's no. If you've been training for as long as we have, I can whip my, I can really make a huge difference because of how much muscle I've built over the years. If I let myself really go for like six months and fall out of shape, I can shred body fat and build muscle really quick and show a major change in 60 to 90 days. So those don't always mean that they're fake. It might mean that somebody has been training

Starting point is 01:02:10 for a really long time. They know their body, they know their shit, they know what they need to do calorie wise. They probably were inconsistent. Yeah, and they got to tighten it up and they tighten it up and they actually make a massive change. When I had soldier surgery years ago,

Starting point is 01:02:24 I remember, if you've ever had a cast on and you take it off, it's always frightening. Are you taking it off? Whoa, I remember my... Stick arm. Yeah, like there was like nothing. My shoulder was non-existent. And I don't remember how it was like a couple months

Starting point is 01:02:37 when I was finally able to work out. And I measured my arm. I lost like two inches or two and a half inches or more in terms of muscle. And it didn't look like my arm at all. And it came back so fast. It was literally weeks where it was right back to where it was before. So muscle memory is a real thing.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Yep. Next question is from Jackie 18. Is there evidence to suggest that eating more meals more frequently throughout the day is better for weight loss than two meals with the same amount of quality calories. There's, okay, so here's a deal with this now. Now, we've been told for a long time in popular fitness culture that eating small meals was superior, right? So if you eat, this was the story at least, or the narrative. If you eat small meals, it stokes your metabolism throughout the day, It feeds your muscles amino acids throughout the day.

Starting point is 01:03:25 Therefore, it's better for burning fat, building muscle. So, you need to eat small meals throughout the day. Okay. Is there evidence to support this? Hardly any to zero. The reality is, the thing you should pay attention to, the thing that should dictate whether or not you eat small meals or you eat fewer and larger meals, should be based on how you feel.

Starting point is 01:03:47 Personal preference. That's the most important thing. Now, the reason why this started was because bodybuilders who eat and shit tons of calories, and you eat in 5,000 calories a day, you're not gonna do that in two meals. You're gonna eat five meals, it just makes more sense. And then supplement companies got their hands on this

Starting point is 01:04:02 and said, oh, what a great way to sell meal replacement bars and powders because if I sell the average person that they need to eat five meals a day, they're gonna eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or maybe just lunch, and dinner. Difficult to prep all those ahead of time. And then so you get other companies, you know, the suspect bags and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, but I mean, that's something that's been crammed

Starting point is 01:04:20 in almost like everybody's head in terms of like, that's the healthiest way to approach it. But honestly, it makes a lot more sense for a bodybuilder trying to get more calories in because big, huge meals, you know, that's pretty difficult to digest. Absolutely. Well, this myth originally came from the whole thermogenic effect from the calories, which is the same, right? So if you eat a 4,000, two meals total up to 4,000, 2,000 calories, you get this massive thermogenic effect,

Starting point is 01:04:46 which is the same as if you take those 4,000 calories and you spread it over four meals or six meals. Right, right. So they're just smaller thermogenic effects. The net thermic effect is the same. It's the same. So it doesn't really matter. Where I see a lot of value in this and where I would have clients do this all the time was actually just to teach them portion control. You do a two massive meals. It's really hard to get an idea of what six ounces this is, what 12 ounce of that is, is how many calories is this really? If I had clients and I say, okay, your total calories is 2,800 calories,

Starting point is 01:05:17 we get to eat and I divide that up over five or six meals, they see these little small portions and get an idea of where they're meal, what their meal size should look like. And you just kind of teach good behaviors that way. That I liked it for that, or you guys bring up with the body builders, is yeah, when I was eating 5,000 calories, you get good luck eating that in two meals,

Starting point is 01:05:38 especially if you're eating whole foods, just not happening. So for those reasons, it makes sense. At the end of the day, it's whatever you're most consistent with. So if you do better with prepping five or six meals and that you like to just kind of graze all day with small meals, versus because here's the thing that I also like about that too, you never get really, really hungry. And what I have found when clients get really hungry, the craving set in, and you're more likely to make bad choices. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but when I have a long day here, and I go like a,

Starting point is 01:06:09 you know, and I'm, you know, unintentionally intermittent fasting and it's 12 hours, I mean, boy, everything sounds good. I'm driving home from work and I'm easily influenced in. You know, Katrina's called me, what do we want to do for dinner? And I'm like, I have, you know, day, I'll have whatever you want to have. First is, if I had already had three, four meals, they were balanced and everything like that, I'm not starving, like, I will wait, and then I'll have another one of my meals. So that's another reason why I like the small meals,

Starting point is 01:06:34 and that's more of the mental discipline. Yeah, and again, I've had clients that do far better with fewer meals. It actually helps them eat less calories, and they're busy, and when they're working, it's not that big of a deal. I've had clients like what Adam's saying where they prefer to eat every few hours and have a meal Personal preference 100% should dictate this for you. How do you look and for me for example? I'll give you an example eating small meals throughout throughout the day

Starting point is 01:06:57 Doesn't work with my gut. It just doesn't work well with my gut health. I do far better Having long breaks in between meals reduces, and my gut helps you with digestion. And I just feel a lot better doing it that way. But I know people who are the opposite. I know people who are like, man, I can't eat one big meal. It hurts my stomach, I'm doing better with smaller meals. Personal preference should dictate this. There is no real, significant advantage,

Starting point is 01:07:20 one way or the other, except for the extremes. Like, obviously, you don't want to eat like once every other day, or you don't want to eat like once every other day or, you know, you don't eat 10 times in a day, but within reason, doesn't make a big difference. Really just follow your, works best for you. What makes you feel the best? Next question is from Jade Taylor Turner.

Starting point is 01:07:38 What's your opinion on F-45 training? Oh, here we go. Now they're kind of like orange theory, where they do a lot of the circuits and they go from exercises to exercise. That's what that is, I wanted some of training. Oh, here we go. Now, they're, they're kind of like orange theory, right? Where they, they do a lot of the circuits and they go from exercises out. That is. I wanted somebody because like, I know orange theory, obviously, I've even done one of their workouts, but I've never seen F 45 very similar. So you know, most about it. Yeah, less tech, more lifting weights. Okay. So, you know, orange theory has, they do three rotations. You have a rowing, running, and then weight section,

Starting point is 01:08:07 and then they rotate throughout the hour. And every, every time you do a workout, it's a little bit different, but for the most part, it's one third, one third, one third. F45 is primarily like more boot camp style. Like, you go get your weights. Kind of, you guys remember how, like body pump was in the beginning. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:23 So you have like a little station yourself and you have the little mini barbell and weights or dumbbells and an instructor that's teaching like this weight training class. So it's a little more focused on weight training than orange theory. No, is a traditional resistance training? Will you rest?

Starting point is 01:08:39 No, it's still very circuit like. Yeah, it's still very circuit like. They're not, you know that's it's unfortunate because You know, it wouldn't be a bad model, but they know for reasons to keep people entertaining going is to is to keep the could you imagine a group X or a group instructor like this standing at front of and making it right okay We're gonna rest for two minutes now. What do we do for two minutes? Yeah, and just everyone standing They're gonna have real good stories or like, you know anecdotes.

Starting point is 01:09:06 Yes, I mean, I remember when I was teaching Orange Theory, I would yell this, right? I would stop a class, like, it turned the music off, stop the class, and I'd yell at everybody in the way train. Rest, stop. If you are able to go around and around with no rest, go heavier, you need to go heavy enough,

Starting point is 01:09:19 and I wanna look over here and see people sitting down. I remember having a yell at people to tell people that I wanna see you resting. I remember you sitting too, and I thought this was brilliant, when you'd have those rest periods where you'd actually educate them, like you'd pick a topic,

Starting point is 01:09:31 you'd say something about nutrition that you could kind of use that time to educate instead of just wasting it and looking around aimlessly. Yeah, the weakness with F-45 is the same weakness you see with lots of group classes with weights. Number one, it's not resistance training, it's cardio with weights. You could do cardio with anything,

Starting point is 01:09:49 and this is a cardio with weights, type of class. Number two, it's a class. And it's very difficult to tailor workouts when you're dealing with that group type environment. Now, is it smart business and marketing? Well, yeah, it's fun, it's exciting, it's probably exploding, it's probably gonna, you know, at some point hit a peak and then tank,

Starting point is 01:10:06 like other fitness trends and fads do. But as far as a workout is concerned, you're gonna get some conditioning, some stamina, and you'll get some cardiovascular work done. But if you're looking for the benefits that resistance training provides, where you're building muscle, speedy, and pre-metabolism, making your body more resilient

Starting point is 01:10:23 in that particular sense, then you're doing the wrong thing. You want to do the traditional. They have Mark Wahlberg, don't they? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll go for it. That's how Mark Wahlberg. And save your DMs, okay, because I know we're going to get DMs of people that work there and like, oh Adam, this and that, that, that, that, that, they're all going to say, I

Starting point is 01:10:38 mean, that's, every time we talk about something like that, like we, you know, offend anybody that we're a Sarah Lisson, it's cool, dude, but it's not ideal. Just group training will never be ideal for people. There's such an individual variance for every single person that if you have a classroom of 12 to 15 people, and here's the thing. Group training for muscle, for building muscle and burning fat, not ideal. Could you do yoga or a rhyming class where everybody, everybody it's a little bit different like the goals are different And so you can get away more with that

Starting point is 01:11:08 But something that's as specific as or conditioning like on a sports team or something Well, there's just so many more variables that that dictate whether you're going to lose fat or build muscle Yeah, if they're if one person in that class their diet is dialed in this this way of modality of training They haven't trained this way, a modality of training, they haven't trained this way in a long time. Their body might respond perfect for this class. But then that maybe that person who's right next to them doing the same thing is in a too much of a core deficit or overconsuming that it doesn't even really matter or not resting whatsoever and doing lightweight.

Starting point is 01:11:40 Matt, Matt, so much with traditional resistance training and how your body moves it matters so much. And I'll look, I'll even argue against what you're saying. Yes, you could do class in yoga. Will it, is it far superior to have an instructor do yoga with just you? Yeah. Absolutely. So it's the same weakness you see with all classes.

Starting point is 01:11:59 But as far as resistance training is concerned, you get like this much of the benefit of resistance training. It's mostly cardio. Next question is from Austin Owens Actual. Which training style do you all prefer? Percentage-based or RPE-based? If not either of these, what do you recommend? I laugh at these questions.

Starting point is 01:12:20 If people get so hung up on those. They do and it's not the, I I mean I understand if you're competitive athlete Bro, I like a power lifter. That's about it. Yeah, that's it That's where I stop that's it if you're a power lifter this makes total sense and it's the only time I don't laugh at this but I built a competitive physique the one percent of the one percent at the professional level without ever paying attention to I like never once I like. It's always feel for me. It's always feel because I can have a client come in

Starting point is 01:12:48 and maybe today we're supposed to do 80% of whatever and I ask him, hey, how do you feel? I'm watching them as a trainer. Oh, it looks like they're a little out of it or whatever. We're gonna go easier. You have to train your body for that moment, how you feel physically and also mentally. By the way, you can feel

Starting point is 01:13:05 great physically, feel poor mentally, and that'll have a massive effect on your performance and how your body recovers and responds. So really it should be based off of how you feel. Now, here's the problem with that. Is that a lot of people want objective measures. Like, tell me number, whatever. Now know heart rate variability was promised to do that. The problem with heart rate variability was it's kind of a pain in the ass. You got to be real good at measuring and have that right technology to do it.

Starting point is 01:13:35 Now what it did- Not always accurate either. Not always accurate, but it was better than nothing. It was probably the most objective way that we saw. And then not that long ago we had DeFranco on the show. And I thought I love what he said. I love what he said. Well, it's absolutely brilliant.

Starting point is 01:13:50 So I'll show what you, of course, it came from someone like you. Somebody who we respect in the industry, one of the best trainers and coaches that's been doing this for a really long time. Of course, he came up with a simpler yet very effective way. Very effective. So I'm going to show everybody. So if you're watching this on YouTube, you can see I have a,

Starting point is 01:14:07 and I don't know how to say this, right, a dynamometer. Dynamometer. Dynamometer. Dynamometer. Dynamometer. Yeah, anyway, you, you, you essentially you squeeze this

Starting point is 01:14:17 and it measures your grip strength. And so here's what he said, and I thought this was absolutely brilliant. So these are devices that are very, typically inexpensive. I know we have one on our site, so you can buy these on our site if you want to. You essentially, what you do before your workout,

Starting point is 01:14:29 it first off, you want to set up a kind of like a control, right? So every day before you work out, you want to calibrate. You want to squeeze this as hard as you can with both hands and write down the whatever number you got. And then also at the end of your workout, mark down how you felt, how strong were you to do your level of energy. After about a week or two,

Starting point is 01:14:47 you'll start to see some correlations. Oh, on the day that great workouts, my number was this, on the days I was, whatever, my numbers were this. Then you can start to use the number that you get on your gripper test or whatever, as a way to dictate, for those of you that want objective numbers,

Starting point is 01:15:02 how hard you should work out. So you squeeze it and say, oh wow. It's a readiness gauge. It's testing your CNS. Which is great. So you kind of know what you're working with for that day and how hard you should push. It's a more of a way to actually find a real metric out there to kind of identify how

Starting point is 01:15:19 you're feeling, but it's still fuel-based. Yes. Well, that's the reason why I mean our good, Craig Capurso, he built an app around this. It was the flaw that we saw in this was like, you can't have a computer mathematically figure this out for you. Propetural progress doesn't exist. No, and it can't figure out what happened last night.

Starting point is 01:15:40 I mean, last night could have been, you got some crazy news that was devastating with your family. Then you stayed up all night, you got terrible sleep, and then here you are showing up to your workout. And you can't mathematically figure that out. And your computer has already told you what you're supposed to do that day. Where me as a coach, if I was training you, I would ask you, how was your night last night? And you said, oh, I just found out my grandmother passed away and I didn't sleep very much.

Starting point is 01:16:07 Me, as an experienced coach, knows right away. I might have had a plan today that I was gonna push you to this RPE or I was gonna push you at this percentage, but now I'm calling an audible because I know what happened last night. Well, this is the problem too, back to our earlier conversation about tech products.

Starting point is 01:16:22 This is what they don't understand. There's a lot more to it than ones and zeros. It doesn't just work out in a perfect formula and laid out. There's so many variables and you have to have individual coaching to make it work. Right, and this is why I like, and again, it's not perfect.

Starting point is 01:16:37 You gotta base it off of how you feel and how you perceive yourself to feel. This is important because people tend to second guess themselves, do I really feel good? Do I really feel bad? Whatever you feel, you feel, and that's kind of your truth, right? That's the truth of how your body is going to perform essentially. But the reason why I like the dynamometer, dynamometer, I think I'm going to be right, is because it measures in real time your CNS and how great you're squeezing. Right there. So it's like literally right before

Starting point is 01:17:02 you work out, you crush it with your hand, and you see what your score was, and then use that in combination with how you feel. Like, I feel kind of crappy. Let me check, you squeeze it, you see your number, you're like, oh yeah, definitely, I have a easier work on that. And that's the trick here too, is not like,

Starting point is 01:17:18 because I'm gonna caution, because you're gonna get people to buy this and be like, sell, my numbers have this, what should I do? It's like, you need to do the work, just like I would coach somebody with new tricks. You gotta see what your numbers are. You need to track, yeah, you need to track for a while to find out what a high number and a low number is for you.

Starting point is 01:17:32 That's right, yeah. What do you squeeze? What do you, what is the peak, like if you track, and I like to see two weeks personally, I like to see two weeks of every single morning, at the same time, same everything, you squeeze this thing, right? And you find out over those two weeks,

Starting point is 01:17:47 okay, where's my high and where's my low? And then that's your range. And so then going forward, when you go to squeeze this before you go to work out and you see where you land it. Oh, wow, I'm on the peak. This is like, I'm gonna get after today. Oh, wow, I'm towards the bottom. Oh, I'm in the middle.

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