Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1534: How to Overcome an Exercise Sticking Point, the Best Kettlebell Exercises to Compliment Barbell Training, How to Train Post Pregnancy & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode, we answered live questions from listeners and viewers just like you. So we actually coached people on air live. That's the back half of the episode.

Starting point is 00:00:28 The front half of the episode is an intro portion where we talk about current events. We're being up scientific studies and we talk about our sponsors. Today's intro was 42 minutes long. All right, this is what happened in today's podcast. We open up by talking about Justin Flexing. Oh yeah, he flexes all the time now

Starting point is 00:00:45 that he's getting super buff. Usually you have to pay for that. Then we talked about the Viking press, one of our favorite pieces of equipment now. I brought up an article that brought up averages of IQ by state. So when you listen to that part, you might be surprised which state was in the bottom five.

Starting point is 00:01:02 You offended me with this. Then we talked about education versus experience or career, so that was a great conversation. Then we talked about getting products that don't have toxins, lots and lots of studies coming out showing that the chemicals that we're exposed to could be lowering testosterone, increasing our risk of Parkinson's, and much more,

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Starting point is 00:03:12 This person wants to know about Ramadan, wants to know how they should change their training and how they should approach their diet. And the next question was from Maria from California. This person wants to know how they can strengthen their core for Olympic weightlifting. And the final question is from Dan from Australia. This person is 39, they got two kids, they're doing okay, but they're kind of overeat sugar.

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Starting point is 00:04:13 April special with no space for that discount Is it just mirrors just in beefy right now? I feel like that dude come on bro do a real flex always make fun here holy shit He beefed out dude. He when he get putty. Do you put does he when he flexes like an athlete totally? Yeah, yeah, what I watch you I remember when we were I remember when we were doing like getting him all lead and shredded when we first started the podcast And we're like practicing and he's like My boy is so awkward right now.

Starting point is 00:04:45 But you know, hey, here's a deal. Hey, pretend you're holding a helmet. You know, I don't, a real talk though, real talk. I hated that piece. Posing? Hated that piece. Yeah. And I had to do it a lot just to get as terrible as I am at it.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Like it is, What you saw was Adam's practicing his ass off. Yes, no, really, it's like dance moves. Yeah, no, there's definitely an art. My favorite part was when you would turn and you go, yeah, you shake it up. What is that, dude? I don't know, you know what it is?

Starting point is 00:05:13 It's like you fart and you're like, no, it's just like how an athlete walks up to the plate to get ready for. It's like a routine. It's like you've trained and practiced that it's the same thing. Sometimes I really appreciate your sales skills. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:05:27 No, like wow that makes sense. No it is. Yeah you do you have to ritualize it to get it because here's the thing you when you get on stage you don't get a mirror. So you practice it in front of the mirror a thousand times to get to that position to show people that. Now here's the thing though okay is does Justin really not know how to flex or does he just pretend because I caught him once Adam

Starting point is 00:05:47 We were back there in the bathroom and I was gonna back and he didn't know that I was you know crowd near me or that I was I was no he didn't know that I was on the toilet Oh, he walks in and it's right when I'm up and I'm ready to open the door and I hear Like I hear that from it. No, yes, dude lie and I caught him. Is he telling true? Yes, dude Did you tell the truth? No, you literally this is literally what he said I hear and then he home Go and he goes like this he goes something like they don't even know I open the door. I just say it.

Starting point is 00:06:26 I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it.

Starting point is 00:06:34 I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it.

Starting point is 00:06:42 I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. I just say it. Hey, you can't be I do check-ins you can't be that self-ic and not flex bro He's not fake. He's I don't talk to myself that that's a lie. You said something dude. It was like that. I was like I mean I Just think about us bro, but we don't know What a fucking asshole. No, you're doing good, bro. I saw you moving.

Starting point is 00:07:08 You were moving hell away today. What are you doing? Overhead presses and shit. Yeah, it's fun. Show me, oh, these kids don't even know what kind of thing. I love that thing, by the way. It's my favorite. The Viking press?

Starting point is 00:07:17 Yes. What a wonderful, it's the best, you know, it's funny. It's the silliest fucking thing, right? It's a bar on the rack and whatever. It's the best shoulder press machine, I'll put in the category of machines. Hands down, dude. That I've ever used.

Starting point is 00:07:29 I mean, I like free weights, right? So I like dumbbells and barbells, not so. But like hammer strength, seated plate loadings. So many things. Any machine for shoulders, it's superior. Just the angle of push, the way it causes you to straighten your body out. I love it. Yeah, you saw it first on our buddy, you've been public, right? He caused you to straighten your body out. I love it.

Starting point is 00:07:45 You saw it first on our buddy, Ben Pollock, right? He was the one doing it. God, I love that thing. Yeah, and then he was explaining kind of like, how to put it together. Oh, that looks kind of cool. You know, he told me that it made a huge difference on his bench strength.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Really? So he saw it. I wonder if it's that full extension. Of course. And it's the angle. It's like the angle that you're coming from right here and you're pressing all the way up. And then you move your body forward. You put your body into it, which is what I love. That's the angle. It's like the angle that you're you're you're coming you're coming from right here and you're pressing all the way up And then you put your body into it, which is what I love that's the part that I really appreciate

Starting point is 00:08:09 Yeah, no get that from a lot. Yeah, I she gives me the the fastest pump of almost any show Yeah, you know, we haven't had a I haven't had a piece of equipment or an exercise or something that I was that excited Mary the last thing I could think about was maybe when Justin got us doing windmills, I got pretty excited about that for a little bit. Yeah, but this is more of like a bodybuilding different. Yeah, like Justin introduced windmills to us up until that point, I had never trained them. Almost sounds like he said windmills. Huh? Meals. Meals. Sounds like a nice windmills.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Yeah. I don't want any of your windmills. Yeah, there's windmills. But no, but I love the way it feels. Now, I know that you can use, what's it called, the Viking press? Right. I think this is called, you can use that for other exercises, I guess. But I don't like it for anything else. Yeah, just like this.

Starting point is 00:08:56 That's the point. Sometimes I nail it for one thing and then you see, and this is the problem with a lot of exercise tools. Like, it's like, there's something out there where everybody has to make up exercises around it just to sell it. You know, it's like, that's not, like you can't make everything a full body machine.

Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah, I know, it does one thing really well. Yeah, just so there's one thing really, let's just stick with that. Yeah, no, you know what you do? You attach it to a barbell and then you put the other end in the land line and then you see people doing exercise. But here's why I don't like it. First off, a T-Bar row. Yeah, as you say, T-Bar row might people doing exercise. Here's why I don't like it. First off, a T-bar row.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Yeah, as you say, T-bar row might work. Either the, no, I don't like it that way. It's not that great. If I'm standing over the barbell, the way that I want to when I do a T-bar row, so the weight comes into me, I can't do that with the Viking press because now the weights are down here

Starting point is 00:09:36 and it's hitting my body. It's stupid. But if I stay away from the barbell, now when I do the row because of the angle, the bar moves away from me, so now it becomes more biceps. Does that make sense? So as I'm rowing, if I'm standing in front, the barbell, from me. So now it becomes more biceps. Does that make sense? So as I'm rowing, if I'm staying in front,

Starting point is 00:09:46 the barbell, that's that way. Yeah, no, that sounds stupid. Because that way, it's more bicep flexion. I don't wanna do that shit. Yeah, yeah, no. But the overhead press. It's, you know, obviously, gyms have been like kinda closed down

Starting point is 00:09:57 for the life of the last year. So I wonder, when we first started the podcast, I felt like we were in the thick of the trendy, like, do weird shit on machines. Yeah. Add rubber bands to it. It's turned happening. Yeah, so I was wondering the same thing too. Remember we used to hammer that pretty hard. Go upside down a leg curl or where? Yeah, doing weird, weird exercises for every single

Starting point is 00:10:16 machine. I thought that was so funny. That's exactly right there. No, the side chest presses my favorite and you're gonna make that face one. What was that? Joey Swole, bro. That's what he was responsible for that. I don't know who did that first. I don't know if someone saw him that, but boy did he get everybody doing that. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:32 It was a guaranteed giveaway if I walked in a gym. Saw some 17 year old kid doing that. I'm like, oh, you follow Joey Swole? Yeah. You're trying to. We know your leader. Yeah. Hey, a little trivia question.

Starting point is 00:10:45 You guys want to guess on which states have the highest IQ and which states cumulative, right? So they do this cumulative IQ test or whatever averages. What states have highest IQs and what states have the lowest IQs? Lowest and highest. Yeah. Okay, let me ask you this.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Wait, it's just gonna be tough to not insult people here. So let me ask you this. All right, here I'll make it a real random one. I'll make it easier. Okay, because we were in California, so we could we could Speculate I don't think we have where do you think California ranks at the high near the highest or near the lowest? No, I would I would actually pick well, I would think we'd be about the middle because we get all the Silicon Valley You know brainiacs coming here, but we also have the largest discrepancy right in like incomes Yeah, right? So you have and not to say that that's directly connected, but I'm sure there's some correlation to that.

Starting point is 00:11:28 So I would think that there is a pretty even mix. Yeah, because what you think with California is people think, oh, the beach or Silicon Valley, such a small part of it. But there's all central valley, there's all, this is huge amount of land. And there's not a lot of money over there. Oh, dude. So California actually is in the bottom of the city. I would have guessed the men out to look.

Starting point is 00:11:47 Now, this is crazy considering, you know, you got some brilliant people that live in California. So there must be such a small percentage. A lot of idiots. The balance is average. You have to say, well let's say, you got like, you know, you got like the people who started, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:01 the tech revolution in California. Elon Musk for, but here's the reason I know everybody left all the small ones here. Yeah, but here's the thing that was happening. All the small ones left. I mean, here's the thing though, that's a person, right? Like, we think Elon Musk and you think of Steve Jobs, that's one man who employed hundreds of thousands of people.

Starting point is 00:12:22 So like, you think of it as a company, so you think like that, but it's really, he's responsible for that. He, by himself, is responsible for that. That doesn't necessarily mean that the hundred thousand people that work for him are brilliant. So it's really not that many people that we're talking about, you talk about these pretty easy.

Starting point is 00:12:37 So here's the bottom five, right? So the last place is Mississippi with an average IQ of 94.2. Then 49th is Louisiana 95.3, then California 95.5 and then next Hawaii 95.6. I would not have guessed it. I would not have guessed it. The number one state for average IQ is Massachusetts

Starting point is 00:12:57 at the 104.3 and then second is New Hampshire. At a hundred and four. A hundred and four words there. I have no idea. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I can get it.

Starting point is 00:13:07 That's a good point. Are they adding them in there? Because that's not very fair. And it's a smaller population. Yeah. Well, that's true. And then do the averages. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:15 Yeah. It's like it's all averages. Yeah. California is such a huge population. It does. We have a lot of people. That's a really good point. Are we including?

Starting point is 00:13:23 Are they like, do they go around? Yeah. Texas is the second most popular state. It wasn't in the bottom five or whatever. I don't know Yeah, but it's have an Ivy League school and they're either though, could Texas Doesn't have an Ivy League. They don't have an Ivy League. I don't think so. Where are the Ivy League schools? Most are on these days, right? This is where it all yeah a lot of really isn't Stanford. I consider Ivy League here in California Pull up all the Ivy League so we I guess you can ask in the two guys. We got a call sticker We got one guy that went to college. Yeah, I'm so near dummies.

Starting point is 00:13:47 I had this conversation with Jessica's family because her sister-in-law is going through nursing school. She's actually crushing right now. It's just pretty cool. It's exciting. But we were talking about education. Yeah. New York, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, and Island, New York, and I kept my shoes.

Starting point is 00:14:02 All the old schools, right? And we were talking about education. And she said, did you have to go to Pennsylvania and New Hampshire and Island and New York and I can't miss shoots. All the old schools, right? And we were talking about education and she was, Sal, did you go to college and said, no, I can fact, I took one class. She was like, wow, you only finished one class? I said, no, no, no, literally one class. I went in, sat down for one class, left, went back to the gym. Yeah, this is it for me.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah, I got a listen, this bullshit takes a minute. I never asked you to come to go run the gym. That's it. Huh you really wouldn't want literally dude I walked you guys know me bro. I first of all I love learning. It's not it's not a learning thing I love learning that environment is so terrible. Yeah, but let me tell you something about you that I've learned from From working with you. You love learning what the fuck you want to learn no She have no desire to I don't give a shit how important it is if it is not fuck you want to learn. No, she doesn't. You have no desire to, I don't give a shit, how important it is if it is not what you want to learn. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:14:50 But if it is something you want to learn, you'll go deeper than anybody I know. That's true. No, that's true. Again, it's like getting it. Balls deep. And hell of deep. But I mean, that's that environment doesn't work for me

Starting point is 00:15:01 because I'm not interested in this. This is not interesting. And you're sitting in this classroom, listening to the person, take your notes, do this, whatever, I'll get the fuck out of here. I can do that. So. Yeah, I lasted, I lasted two years.

Starting point is 00:15:13 So I went through, I almost got my A. I was, I was, I think, 13 units somewhere around there shortly. Yeah, so it was close. That my, the thing, the kicker for me that made me stop was when we moved to her when I moved I moved to San Jose To come in move with my grandma the idea was this because I was I was kind of paying my own my own weight everything at that time And it was hard, you know being a 17 year old kid and paying rent car stuff and paying for school and and then and working

Starting point is 00:15:39 You know a full-time job by doing all that my grandma I knew that I could go move in with her. She had an apartment to bedroom, and she would rent for like 300 bucks to me in the Bay Area, which is next to nothing, right? And I'd be able to eat with her. So really low bills, I wouldn't have to work much, and then I could just grind on school.

Starting point is 00:15:58 And so when I moved over here, I had about a three-month lag time before the next semester started. And so I was like prepping everything. The computer had set up my own little desk office Over here, I had about a three month lag time before the next semester started. So I was like prepping everything. Computer had set up my own little desk office set up in my bedroom. I'm like already to be all schooled out, right? I'm about to knock this degree out.

Starting point is 00:16:15 And was so discouraged because it was so competitive to get classes. I couldn't get a single class I needed to finish. And so I was going to have to, in order to get the class you want, you gotta get enrolled. So then the next time. Wait a minute, I had a time. Yeah, and so I was like, so pissed that I did not understand this.

Starting point is 00:16:34 Like, no one had told me this. I didn't know it was gonna be like this. So I went in this. I'm doing this whole life changing move. Leave my friends and where, my hometown. I'm gonna go here. I'm gonna buckle down school. That's all I'm gonna do. And I'm gonna knock this degree out. And then my first experience of

Starting point is 00:16:48 getting enrolled at JC over here to finish off the AA, not a single class that I could take. That was, that would apply to it. That was so- Now, were you working as a trainer at this point? I was. And you're already, you're starting to see you're making a lot of money. So that's why it was, I mean, it was a relatively easy decision, right? It wasn't an easy decision. I remember I went back and forth on it for a really long time. What was happening was I went across the street because there was a 24-off fitness across the street and I walked in to get a membership and I was already, I had already bought a national

Starting point is 00:17:18 certification because I thought it would be cool to have a job one day. I wasn't like in any hurry to do it at one day as a personal trainer. So I bought this national cert kind of barely going through it while I was also going to school with the desire to go and finish my kinesiology degree. And when I wrote that down on the profile, that got the attention of the fitness manager

Starting point is 00:17:37 who came over and was like, hey, you want a job? And I'm like, I wasn't really trying to get a job. I was wanting a membership. So the membership comes for free when you have a job. So okay, I'm listening. And so I tell them that I would be willing to work part time because I have school

Starting point is 00:17:49 coming up in three months. In that three month time of getting ready to go to school, every single paycheck, every two weeks increased. And you gotta remember that I was a kid that was working in a dairy before that. And I had worked myself up to $7 an hour. All of a sudden, I'm making like $30 an hour plus commissions plus bonuses.

Starting point is 00:18:10 It was more money that I'd ever seen in my life before. And you loved it. And I loved it. That was me. I loved what I did, and I was making six figures, at 18 years old, and I remember telling my, you know, thinking about going to college and what I wanted to do, and I remember looking up the average know, thinking about going to college and what I wanted to do.

Starting point is 00:18:25 And I remember looking up the average pay of a physical therapist at the time, which is what I was going to go to school for. Like, wait a minute, I'm making more than that now. I'm not working in a shitty hospital. I love the gym. Maybe I'll just give this a shot. Did you have something that someone said to you that lit a fire in you at all?

Starting point is 00:18:42 Did you remember, do you recall that? Or was it just purely like, I love doing this? It's not, it's just for you. But I was, I love that shit. I was hyper day one. I went in there and just went crazy. But it really was a conversation with my general manager because this is right before I took my first class

Starting point is 00:18:56 and was like, hell no. I signed up and I told him, I said, man, I don't know. Maybe I need to step down. At the time I was going, I was a fitness manager and I was gonna maybe step down so I could to step down. At the time, I was a fitness manager and I was gonna maybe step down so I could go to school and we were talking and he goes, probably goes, I know how much you make.

Starting point is 00:19:12 Are you sure? He goes, don't you love this? I said, yeah, and he goes, no much physical therapist make and we talked about it. And he's like, why would you want to do that? And I'm like, I couldn't logically justify it at all. Cause I said, you know, to be honest with you, I don't want to work in a clinical setting and

Starting point is 00:19:25 I'm making more money and I love this And so it just made sense and so when I told myself was I'll give myself one year That's why I said I'll do this for a year and at the end of the year I could always decide to go back to school and of course the rest of the If I found the gym in in that work environment like you guys did before I probably would have been the same perdicament I just had a massive chip on my shoulder like I literally just in that work environment like you guys did before, I probably would have been the same per dickament. I just had a massive chip on my shoulder. Like I literally just graduated with purely out of grudge.

Starting point is 00:19:52 You know, like I wanted to, you know, this is where everybody else is. This is where you and I connect very well. This is where we're a lot of like for sure. Yeah, and so I mean, it was, it was, it was nobody, I definitely hold a grudge, you know, to everybody that was doubting me. You know, and that was literally what fueled it.

Starting point is 00:20:07 That and also playing ball as long as I possibly could. Like, that was like my last chance to actually like, sweetheart, you were my thing. You played at a pretty damn good level. I made perfect sense. I had nothing pulling me to go there. Right, at all. There was no, I didn't play any sports.

Starting point is 00:20:23 I hated it. I'm gonna make less money and stop doing the thing. There's also a lot of power in knowing how to tap into pain like that. There's a really good book you'd like that I'm reading right now. It's called your next five moves. I think is the name of it. I'm really enjoying it right now. And he talks about the ability to tap into that. And to not be handcuffed by it, to where you feel like. Yeah, or it's like an insecurity.

Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah, right. But there's, there is nothing wrong with using that and, and using it as rocket fuel to take you wherever you want to go. And that I can identify with that. I remember I had a conversation with, I'll never forget after I got my national cert, I was getting ready to move to San Jose, I was talking about my degree that I wanted to get in kinesiology. And I'm sitting down with my girlfriend at the time,

Starting point is 00:21:06 her father, who is a lawyer, really smart guy, respected him like, and very knowledgeable, very successful, and inspired to be like him, right? And he just totally crushed me by telling me that it was a terrible idea, like just getting your Kinesiology to raise a waste of time. If you're gonna go in the fitness and gym ministry,

Starting point is 00:21:25 you'll never make more than $50,000 a year. And at that time, I already committed to all this. So it was like after the fact, it's like I got to the National Surid, I'm moving to San Jose, this is what I've got my plan in my head, and then I'm sitting down, and he's like, what are you gonna do? You know, ask me and I'm laying out my plan.

Starting point is 00:21:41 And he's just like, oh yeah, well, so you're gonna settle for 50 grand or less for the rest of your life. You wanna do it, my daughter? Yeah, and that's how I, and yeah, well, so you're gonna settle for 50 year-round or less for the rest of your life. You wanna date my daughter? Yeah, that's how I, and of course, I'm in love with this girl, it's my high school sweetheart type of deal and I'm just like, I feel like this guy

Starting point is 00:21:51 just thinks I'm a puke. That was a huge motivator for me for a very long time. No, you know what the reality is, if you're a kid and you got the drive and the ambition and the work ethic, you're gonna be fine. That's the truth. You're gonna be fine. That's the truth. You're going to be fine.

Starting point is 00:22:06 Wherever you apply it. It is, I mean, you're going to be a millionaire or whatever, but you're going to be okay. You can work in most industries and you're going to find a way to do okay and to be successful regardless of education. And that's the truth. And that's why when they do these studies and they say people with a degree make X amount more dollars, what they don't control for studies and they say, people with a degree make X amount more dollars, what they don't control for is that,

Starting point is 00:22:26 because what you get with a lot of people who don't go to college is a lot of them just aren't fucking driven. And a lot of kids that go to college, at least are driven enough to do that. Well, yeah, it's a bias, right? You get a bunch of kids that at least know how to apply discipline, right?

Starting point is 00:22:39 That's right. Or to get your degree. You still have to be disciplined. It takes sacrifice, discipline, consistency. So it definitely gets, it's just like people that go through the military. Like you get a lot of great benefits from doing that because it lays a foundation that that carries over into success in life. So that's really the bias from college. It has Larry Little to do with the degree in which I mean shit, I don't know. I mean, I bet I've we quiz Justin right now on half the shitty learning

Starting point is 00:23:01 college, but he couldn't please don't. Yeah. And most people can't, you know, but what you did get from that is the idea of like having like a schedule and studying for things and being and sacrificing and being consistent and dissonant yourself. And a lot of it depends of course. Of course on the field in some cases, it's required and it makes a lot of sense.

Starting point is 00:23:21 But even especially today, because of the cost of education, more and more people now are starting to weigh it out. Because when Doug went to school, it was so inexpensive. Oh, I'm dying, I'm so sorry. And the internet rocked. Yeah, chiseled.

Starting point is 00:23:35 You know what I'm saying? He went to college, he was the John the Baptist. No, it's... He wrote a stegosaurus. No, the truth is, it was so inexpensive, there was no internet, so it would have been much more difficult to gain skills. And it wasn't like he'd go into debt, go into college back then. So it made sense.

Starting point is 00:23:54 Today, a lot of people now are weighing it out and going, okay, who is I talking to you? I was talking to a family friend and young kid. And he's like, you know, he was talking about college and he says, I said, well, what do you want to do? He was, well, I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to start a business. I'm like, okay, he goes, should I go to school? What are you going to learn there? That's going to be valuable besides, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:16 and that not going to debt. I said, you're better off, whatever field you want to start your business in, go do a free internship, go work under someone, it'll be for free, but you're not gonna go into debt, you'll learn way more in a short period of time there than you will go into school. Now, if he had told me that he wanted to be a surgeon,

Starting point is 00:24:33 then I would have been like, yeah, for sure, you're gonna have to go get a formal education. But you gotta look at it all, and people are doing that a lot nowadays. Anyway, I've been getting, so you guys know, there was that article I brought up a couple times on the fertility crash or whatever that they're predicting.

Starting point is 00:24:49 You're scaring the shit out of us. Yeah, like testosterone's low, sperm counts are down, women are less fertile, I even brought up some studies on Parkinson's going through the roof and they think it's this particular chemical that you find in like carpet cleaners and stuff like that, right? So there's a lot of new science coming out that's showing that.

Starting point is 00:25:08 A lot of these products that we've used for a long time, cleaning products, plastics, and things that we use have a lot of these chemicals. Those people are like, okay, I'm a little afraid. What do I do? Where do I go? What's easy? And it's like there's so much stuff that we could go down a list of all the things that you use. So I'm just pointing people now to our sponsor public goods because it's part of their, that's part of their, their whole business. Their mission. The whole model is part of their models based on that. All their products are devoid of those toxic substances.

Starting point is 00:25:39 Speaking of public goods. So you can get all your stuff there and you'll, and you know, you're, you're relatively sad. Speaking of public goods, actually last night Katrina was reordering our stuff. And so I've actually now started, so we no longer work with what's from called the other soap company. And I started to use...

Starting point is 00:25:56 We'll just call them that. The other soap company. The other one. And she actually was like, I'm so glad you guys aren't working with him and you like the public goods soap. And I'm like, why? She's like, have you seen what our order is for public goods? And I'm like glad you guys aren't working with him and you like the public goods soap and I'm like, why? She's like, have you seen what our order is for public goods?

Starting point is 00:26:07 And I'm like, what? Because we use everything now. Like I have got- Oh, yeah, the turgent, everything. Yes, all the laundry detergent, the softener in it, the spray for the counters, like all the soaps and the hand soaps. Now I use the bars so like I use all the stuff.

Starting point is 00:26:24 She's like, you know what I, and I mind you, I put it in every room, I got it all stocked up. She's like, our order is under $100. That's how cheap it is. Yeah, hell of it, as super inexpensive. And it's, in part of their business model is avoiding all these known toxic chemicals.

Starting point is 00:26:39 So, but normally when you buy stuff like that, right? Because almost all of our partners are like that, right? Where we partner with more It's more expensive. Very expensive. Yeah, no, they're not very, very expensive. But they're very, very extreme. But I like it because when I'm trying to help people, right? And I get a lot of DMs, so I can't answer everybody,

Starting point is 00:26:55 but I try to help as much as I can. And it's like, I have to go down the list. What's the best shampoo? What's the best soap? What about the best, you know, moisturiser? So rather than doing all that, here go to this one place, everything there. Right, right. It falls under this category.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Yes, and so it's a lot easier than having to pick one thing at a time. Right, right, so. Do you guys see the news that came out on Uber recently? No. On their next big move. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, you guys don't know?

Starting point is 00:27:20 No. I like it. Here's our, is this a good thing? It's stock update here. You got to pull up Uber stock for me me so I can see where it's at? Dude, I own some of their stock. Do you really? For a long time.

Starting point is 00:27:29 Oh boy, buckle up. This is gonna be a good ride. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm guessing, right? So I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but I'm guessing. Oh shit. They're kind of up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:27:38 Well, yeah, probably because the news is coming out. So they are talking about acquiring a marijuana delivery service. Oh, hell yeah. Well, just think about how easy that would be for them to do it because they already have the driving force. Oh, of course. I mean, they did it with Uber Eats, right? That was an easy transition for them to become one

Starting point is 00:27:56 of the big competitors with DoorDash and all the other ones. So that was an easy transition. So the next big thing they're looking to do is delivery service with marijuana. And that's exploding already as it is. So imagine what big thing they're looking to do is delivery service with marijuana. And that's exploding already as it is. So imagine what a player they would be if they do that. Marijuana delivery is brilliant because if I know anything about stoners,

Starting point is 00:28:13 it's there. They don't want to drive on the side. You know what I'm saying? They don't want to get up, dude. Like, oh, the first one at the stoplight that you're just like honking, is it, whoah. I'd really like to get a joint. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:26 I got a drive. Yeah. Brilliant move though, don't you think? Hell is smart. Yeah, especially if they can combine it with Uber Eats. Oh my God. No joke. No joke.

Starting point is 00:28:35 Just think about that for a second. I mean, we talked about the group. I'll remember when Jack in the Box made the move. I really believe that Jack in the Box had the four sides to know they were catering to a market that nobody was, which is the all the stone. 24 hours. Yeah, the stoneers, the ronks that are up at two, three o'clock in the morning and want

Starting point is 00:28:50 something to eat. Like I just think this is another brilliant move. Imagine that. You could be a stone or at three o'clock in the morning order your Jack in the box from Uber Eats. I mean, that's exciting. A joint on the way, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:01 Game changer. By the way, any dropper, man. Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it Jack in the Box as the tacos? Yeah, you know what's weird? You wouldn't even know that. I love those tacos. You wouldn't even know that for a processed like for like the gross category of tacos.

Starting point is 00:29:17 The best. Their tacos are better than Taco Bells. Well, I know that. They had the colossal burger or whatever. It had like three patties and like just stuffed bacon each layer You know with cheese it was it was insane. It's down to horny Just like to slurp the All right, so let's talk a little bit about current events. So right now what's going on?

Starting point is 00:29:41 Are we gonna go controversy? It's not really controversial. Come on, stop shaking your head, Doug. All right, so here's, so this is news right now, right? So Johnson and Johnson, oh, this is controversial. No, it's not. It rolls out, I'm gonna tell you, this is a good conversation. They roll out their vaccine, right?

Starting point is 00:29:56 And the CDC just halted it. It just halted it. Because there were about six cases of, and there were women who had blood clotting disorders one death So they put a halt on the Johnson and Johnson. So I read there was like an 18 year old boy and someone else who's in critical condition I don't know. I don't know, but I know this from Ray read the receipt But nonetheless the CDC said let's put a halt on this now. Here's a deal So I have a lot of family members that loved to debate and discuss this kind of stuff. And, you know, okay, we obviously work in the fitness space.

Starting point is 00:30:29 And I identified a long time ago that there's definitely zealots on one side who are like, I believe everything that the FDA tells me, I will follow the government regulations, and recommendations, because that's the best. And then there's zealots on the other side who are like, if it's not 100% if it's not an essential oil, then I'm not gonna need it. Did you know I didn't believe that other side.

Starting point is 00:30:51 You just said until just recently, like I have a neighbor who has like a sign that's out on their yard that says like, we believe Dr. Fauci. Yeah, that's a sign. So there's zealots on both sides. Like you really need a sign for that? I know, dude.

Starting point is 00:31:06 And so I got this argument with one of my family members because they were like, you see one or one more immunologist. There you go. They're like, no, I just found you. But like, you know what? I knew it. You see, I told you the vaccines are bad. I'm like, you know what, dude?

Starting point is 00:31:19 They're fucked if they do or they don't. Because if the CDC says nothing, then you're like, oh, they're in bed with the vaccine companies. They all want to make money. Then the CDC says halt it and rather than being like, oh, good job. They actually are trying to keep a safe. You're going to say something like, I told you it was bad. Right. It's like, come on, man. There's there's a little bit of zealotry happening on both sides. No, I absolutely. So it was Johnson and Johnson, the only one under fire right now, that vaccine or the other one. Aspercenica too, which was the UK based company.

Starting point is 00:31:46 Okay. Yeah, that they had some issues too. But, you know, here's a deal. Now, is this really out of the ordinary though, for any vaccine, right? I mean, there's always, isn't there always like, a small percentage of people that have an adverse effect? Of course.

Starting point is 00:31:58 So, this is the current data. As of right now, the vaccines that are out have been administered, I think, 180 or 200 million people. Almost 200 million people have had these vaccines, not the Johnson and Johnson one, but cumulative, right? All these vaccines that are out. So far, they've been proven to be remarkably safe

Starting point is 00:32:19 and remarkably effective. Now, here's the caveat. There's no way to no long-term effects until a few years from now. That's impossible. But so far, short term, it seems to be very, very safe. Loose promise. Now here's this is a conversation I had with my buddies who are like, you know, all over the place. And I said, look, here's a deal. Like, I don't fully believe and trust the government because I work in the fitness industry and I know what the food pyramid looks like.

Starting point is 00:32:43 And I'll that shit. so I know that's bullshit. The terrible job. I'm also not on the side that says everything that they say and put out is bullshit either. I've seen people hurt themselves with some of their wellness. I'm not an anti-vaxxer for that. Or just like if it's not growing off a tree then I won't touch it or whatever,

Starting point is 00:33:00 or Western medicine, he's evil type of side. I'm not on either side. So what I'm using on either side. So what is the, I guess the, what am I using as a litmus test? I like using the market. If hundreds of millions or billions of people are doing something and then we see this three, four years later, I'll just look at that.

Starting point is 00:33:17 I'll look at that and see and then start to make my decision. Well, here's where I do have a bit of an issue. So did you guys hear about it? What is it, St. Lucia, or like it's one of those islands where basically there was a volcano eruption. And so this is like a real disaster, natural disaster, where they were trying to shuttle people off the island. It was St. Vincent, volcano.

Starting point is 00:33:41 St. Vincent, okay. So basically, like they had these cruise ships that were going out there to save these people and get them off the island. And what the stipulations were, though, according to their person in charge, was that they had to have a vaccine in order to get on board.

Starting point is 00:33:59 And there's only 10% of the population even had the vaccine or had access to it. So now, what do you trying to say that these other people aren't valuable? Their life is not valuable. Like that's a crime against humanity in my perspective. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, if you weren't vaccinated, they wouldn't let.

Starting point is 00:34:15 And I get there logic, right? They're trying to say, look, we don't want to start a COVID breakout on the whatever. Sure, that's, I mean, I don't know. But it's an extreme situation. Again, this is where you're talking about zealots. That's zealotry. Like you can't, like you gotta, you gotta weigh it out.

Starting point is 00:34:32 Like what's, like, there's always an exception. What's the percentage of people? There's always an exception to the rule. That's the exception to the rule. Also, what's the percentage of people that have recovered from COVID? Yeah. So versus just letting people die, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:44 from how I mean, volcano explosion, maybe a fucking brain, whatever, it's very, it's very obvious. Yeah, it's with lava versus COVID. Yeah. Okay. So where is that at right now? What's, what, I mean, do we know what's happening? Are they really stranded over there? Like what's going on? Like that. Yeah, I didn't do it, but that literally, I just found out about this like yesterday. So I was like, very heated about it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow, it just vaccinated. Yeah. Just just yesterday. So I was like, very heated about it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. It just vaccinated.

Starting point is 00:35:06 Yeah. Just just happened. Yeah, I wonder. It's a rough thing. We've got to be careful with all the stuff. Okay, so now, speculating time right here. So do you guys think that, because I think we're seeing what's happening, we're going to move in this direction. We're really soon here like, you know, a lot of flights

Starting point is 00:35:20 are going to require, I think it's already happening, right? Some flights are requiring. Well, some states have passed. I think there's three states that have said that they will ban any kind of COVID passport. And so Texas, I can't remember the other one. So what it sounds like? It makes a good,

Starting point is 00:35:33 it explains what that means, that they would ban a COVID passport. Yeah, so COVID passport would be like a government issued, ID of some sort, they're talking about it being on your phone, that if you have a vaccine that you could scan it wherever, and they'll say that you are vaccinated. And I know there's a few states that have put it,

Starting point is 00:35:50 they have past laws that said, this will not be legal. We will not allow this with our residents. Yeah, but not allow what? I don't understand what they're saying. They won't allow them in? No, they're not allowing the passports to be used in the state or to be, they're not basically,

Starting point is 00:36:03 they're not legitimizing the passports in the state. Now here's the beauty of the be used in the state or to be, they're not basically, they're not legitimizing the passports in the state. Now, here's the beauty of the state system in our country. Is there's a lot of, there's this pushback. If, you know, 15 of the states say that, sorry, our laws say that it's not going to happen, then a federal, you know, passport system isn't going to work very well, is it? So let me ask you another question then about people that have certain conditions, or they're going through chem ask you another question then, about people that have certain conditions, or they're going through chemo treatment, or whatever, you cannot introduce these type of vaccines

Starting point is 00:36:31 to somebody in that state. Well, I had a family friend of that. So now what, what happens? They can't get a vaccine passport. You're gonna discriminate against them? Well, no, I had a family friend of that, is pregnant, just got pregnant, and was like, I don't want to take the vaccine right now,

Starting point is 00:36:46 but was being, if they wanted to travel somewhere, they were gonna have to do that. Yeah, that's like, yeah. Well, private companies are free to do that. That's okay. Okay, so that was where I originally was going at, is so do you think that we're going to see airlines that require it in airlines that don't require it?

Starting point is 00:37:01 I think that you're gonna see some tested out. I definitely agree about that. That's gonna happen. The market will tell them if it's a good idea. This is the flawed mandating like a general rule like that. People have to really think about that. Yeah, no, I don't like mandating that you. Because I think that's the move to me is that

Starting point is 00:37:17 there's such a competitive market. And again, I know you're big on this. Let the market decide. Why not have half know half of the Airlines that go hey, we allow anybody on here. I don't give fuck. Well, I'm an airline We don't fuck around You know, and then you have the other side that are like you know We you have to have all these boxes check to get on our plane or sorry you ain't fine

Starting point is 00:37:39 Well, there's a market Totally valid so there was recently this happened where there was a couple with a child. So I know if a kid is older than two or something like that, they're required to wear a mask. Anyway, the kid wouldn't wear a mask if you're a parent and you have a three-year-old, you know how hard it is to get your kid to put on the fucking socks, let alone wear a mask over their face on a plane, right?

Starting point is 00:37:58 So kid wouldn't wear it, the plane, the people on the plane, not the people, but the airline itself, tried to kick these people off, the plane. Like, sorry, you can't fly with us. The whole plane, all the passengers left. Oh, that's so cool. They all left. Finally, really.

Starting point is 00:38:14 I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah, there was a case when that happened. Yeah, so that gives me hope. Yeah, so everybody was like, hey, that's not cool. We're all gonna walk off this. That is not cool.

Starting point is 00:38:22 Yeah, so. You're seeing this kind of push back, and so we will see what happens. We'll see what happens with all of this. I don't like demandated shit though. I don't like force. Yeah, no. You can't force me to put something in my body, no matter what.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Now, you can say, I'm not allowed in your house or your business. I get that, but you can't force me to put something in my body, that's scary. Now, you brought up Texas, so there's a Domino's right now is partnered with a company called NuroNURRO. I believe is how you spell it. And it's a automated self-driving car

Starting point is 00:38:56 and they've already started to implement pizza delivery service that's completely autonomous. Wow, so you ordered a pizza and it drives your car? Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Yeah, that's happening right now. But you know, pizza and it drives your house. Yeah, yeah. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. Yeah, that's happening right now.

Starting point is 00:39:07 But, you know, I don't know if you guys remember, there was a time when that dominoes almost completely went under. It was like, I wanna say it was like 10, 15 years ago. Yeah, we got a new CEO and all, man. Talk about a comeback story. So I got a question for you, right? How soon until, how long until there it is right there? Those trucks start to get hijacked.

Starting point is 00:39:23 Oh yeah. Think about that, right? Cause, really you're gonna risk going to. Think about that, right? Because- Really you're gonna risk going to gel over a pizza, bro? Dude, it's, okay, you get a bunch of teenage kids who are like, oh fuck, and there's no one in there, you're like, fuck, I'm taking out. So pizza truck?

Starting point is 00:39:34 Yeah, dude, like, I wouldn't- Think about that. I don't think so. That'd be a prime target. Well, here's the thing, what? How many pizza truck deaths? Well, okay, here's the thing. It's gonna be, it's a low, low risk for dominoes.

Starting point is 00:39:46 I mean, what's the worst of happens? You get eight pizzas stole from you? Is that so? You get an expensive ass AI car. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, at the, and I'm sure they got cameras and sensors all in. Well, there's no money on it, right? It's all they're coming.

Starting point is 00:39:56 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, I mean, you're gonna get, you're gonna get six pizzas. Like, you're some kid, like, what kid is gonna want it? I mean, you gotta be pretty stupid. I don't know, dude, I was a pretty shitty kid and I'm not that that not I would do this But if I was gonna throw a rock at a movie vehicle it would have been a ton of How does it get delivered from there to the person so it just showed up right there Doug show it show you probably walk up to it

Starting point is 00:40:14 And you probably have your app and it opens the door scans it open Yeah, okay, yeah, I'd be like I'd be like sketching you know behind it remember and Yeah, the rollerblade game where you grab the bumper. I can't believe you. You grabbed the bumper. What a great reference there. Yeah, dude, so you get on a skateboard and you sketch, you know, behind the car.

Starting point is 00:40:34 And so you do that and wait for it to stop. What a stop and then boom, taking a picture. Hold on, fuck it. Did you ever do that? Yeah. You actually held on to a car with your skateboard? Yeah, because I was with a bunch of idiots. No, you didn't.

Starting point is 00:40:44 Yeah, we did that with your bunch of idiots. No, you didn't. Yeah, we did that. You go fast. Dude, it was scary. We did it in local air. It wasn't like it was any busy roads. That's dangerous. It is. Why are you laughing?

Starting point is 00:40:54 Did you do it too? No, but it's just a dumb conversation. What? What? What? You never sketched. Did you go fast? Why, you hold me under a car?

Starting point is 00:41:02 No, I only went two miles an hour and I had my it taking me around the parking lot. It was so crazy. Yeah Hey, oh, no, that's a car dude. What the hell effect? I know it's stupid 100% when it was home It was a thing in the like the late 80s early 90s. I'm already McFly did it. Yeah, it was really it was pop I don't know who made it popular. That was a very popular Nintendo game. I love that yeah Yeah, yeah, that was a great game. Well, Sega Sega Nintendo It's called sketching sketching. Yeah, I think sketching was the very popular Nintendo game. I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a great game. Sega, Sega Nintendo, I don't know which one. It was called Sketchin. Sketchin was a game. Yeah, I think Sketchin was the name of the game.

Starting point is 00:41:29 Check it out, Doug. Pull it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a great game. Did you own a Sega too? Yeah, I had all the game. You had Genesis Nintendo. From Atari. From Atari all the way to all.

Starting point is 00:41:38 Did you have Dreamcast? I did. Oh, wow. I got one for, did you have TurboGraphics 16? So I didn't get to turn it because that was like, that was short lived. That was very short lived. Remember Bonk's adventure on there? I do I got one. I got one for you. I got you there turbo graphics 16 So I didn't get it because that was rendered that was short lived. That was very short Remember bonks adventure on there. I do remember that one big old head guy looks like Justin. Yeah, there it is There it is 1994 I love that game dog look up you pick up like pipes and you're racing people on the cars

Starting point is 00:42:00 And you get you beat yeah, you beat people off the car such a good game. Oh, wow That's really cool. Yeah, yeah. So Adam, I wanted to ask you, you were on, because both you and I did the, it was like, was it Jason Phillips has a group? Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 00:42:14 So it's this group of trainers, so these are people he's coaching, and basically they're asking you questions. What was your impression of the whole thing? Oh, really good. I mean, I don't know what Jason talked to you about, but he talked a lot about scaling a company and then while you're, and even also starting in the direction.

Starting point is 00:42:31 So he's got a lot of entrepreneurs that he attracts, like people that are, these are all trainers that are trying to build their business. Yeah, and so a lot of them are aspiring to do something similar to like Mind Pump. And I always talk about the whole value thing, right? Like, it's in every time you purchase anything, it always comes down to two things, value and price.

Starting point is 00:42:54 And, you know, this was something that we were all very, very aware of before we did this because of our experience and other businesses. And knew that, even though this was a completely new medium for me, we are us when we knew no idea about what we're doing, we knew that the ultimate goal was, can we provide so much damn value that whatever we sell seems so, you know, it makes, it's like a no brainer.

Starting point is 00:43:19 Yeah, it's like, oh my God, I feel I would have paid hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars to get the wisdom that these guys have given me for free. So the fact that they're offering these programs for whatever price it's a no-brainer. And so I always kind of drill that home to an audience like that is to get that across to them that, you know, stop looking at what all the other Instagram models and people are doing to hack the algorithms. It's like, go to the value thing. And if you can't convince people, and I say this to anybody who wants to do something similar, if you can't convince people to get something from free from you, you got to stay there. You're not ready for that. That's true.

Starting point is 00:43:58 That's the first level. Yeah, you're not by free. Yeah, you're not ready to sell anybody anything or build a business. If you cannot convince people to pay attention to you for free or give you an email address for free because you're giving that you're providing them something, then you're not doing a good enough job, giving them enough value. They don't even see it.

Starting point is 00:44:17 It's not even worth them giving their email up because they don't think you're gonna have a nice. So don't try and sell them something. That's one of the worst things that you can do. Yeah, no, that's great advice. You know, it's funny. You can really judge, I guess, a company or, you know, just by the people that work there or that follow it.

Starting point is 00:44:33 And every time I meet somebody who is under his tutelage or from NCI, they love it. All the trainers there. Because they would ask me questions and ask them questions back. And they loved the whole certification process. They loved their fanatical about it. And he does, they do a phenomenal job.

Starting point is 00:44:52 And it's crazy to me because the online certification market is, I mean, it's an exploding market. And he's positioned so well. No, he is. And Jason, where's his heart on his sleeve? And it's one of the things I think that we all love about the guy. I think he always comes from a really good place.

Starting point is 00:45:10 And he's got a lot of energy. I mean, I don't envy what he does. I mean, he works his ass off. I mean, that guy is working 12 hour days every day. And he does. He prides himself on being connected to everybody. So he's built himself a fairly large business. And he still really connect all the people

Starting point is 00:45:31 that are putting money in his direction. He stays connected to them and is like, he's got the open door policy of like you send me a message. I'll call you back. Like, and he's that guy. And again, just speaks to what I was talking about. He's like, he just provides so much value to all these coaches that the dollar amount that they spend

Starting point is 00:45:50 and he provides so much free good content that they're like, it's a no brainer. So Cassie did the gut health course. So they have a whole course on gut health. And she's pretty well versed anyway because she's dealt with her own gut health issues. So she went through it and asked for her opinion and she's like, she said it was brilliant. Lots of amazing information and she said, it's really good. A, if you're a trainer, but I said, what about people who aren't trainers?

Starting point is 00:46:13 Obviously it makes sense if you're a trainer. She said, if you want to learn more about your own gut health, it's a great place to go because you get the cert or whatever you take the course, but you learn how to help assess yourself and figure out your own stuff. Which is good because I mean I've dealt with gut health issues and you have to piecemeal together your information so it's like a one stop shop type of deal. So very cool. Good stuff. This quad brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods

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Starting point is 00:47:12 First of all, thank you for all this you do. I really appreciate it. I learned a ton from the YouTube channel. I had a question about how to integrate kettlebells into a three day week full body type program. Prior to the pandemic, I had been training like an upper lower type split and then when Jim's closed, we tried a few home programs eventually settled on working with kettlebells which actually enjoyed

Starting point is 00:47:34 a lot in the absence of a barbell. But when the second lockdown kind of hit, you know, we finally couldn't take it, we bought a rig for the patio, you know, barbell squat rack, all the stuff we need. And I'm so happy to be kind of backlifting heavy weights. And so I was able to recognize a ton of value from the kettlebell training, which was new to me at the time. So I guess my question is, how can I best integrate some kettlebell training into more barbell dominant three day per week full body type program,

Starting point is 00:48:03 still like optimize the benefits of both. Yeah, that's a good question. I need more information though. What are your fitness goals? Because that makes a difference. Definitely strength, strength aesthetics. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:19 So you're looking to get stronger and look at it. Okay, so. So kettlebells are another form of resistance, just like dumbbells, barbells, cables, or even resistance bands. And now, if your goals were a little bit different, let's say your goals were athletic performance, or then my answer might be a little different,

Starting point is 00:48:37 but your goals are pretty general. I wanna get stronger, I wanna look better. In that case, what you wanna do is you wanna look at the tools that you're gonna use for resistance resistance training and use them with the exercises that they're best suited for. For example, if you're going to do loaded squats and you want to go heavy, it's hard to be to barbell. Barbell is going to be one of your best tools for heavy loaded squats. If you're going to do a windmill, kettlebells are one of the best devices you can use.

Starting point is 00:49:07 And that mainly has to do with the weight that the weight is loaded and how it sits on your forearm. So, there's a few exercises I love kettlebells for. I love them for kettlebell specific exercises. So like swings, obviously, you wanna do swings, you're gonna use a kettlebell over a dumbbell or a barbell. I love shoulder presses. Overhead presses going to use a kettlebell over a dumbbell or a barbell. I love shoulder presses. Overhead presses are awesome with a kettlebell.

Starting point is 00:49:27 It's a totally different feel. The weight sits lower on the arm, so it's a shorter lever. And it encourages this kind of straight line spiraling effect when you do an overhead press. You could also use kettlebells for some exercises to change the way that the tension feels on the body. For example, when you do a fly, a chest fly, if you use kettlebells, you'll notice you have a different feeling with the tension when you drop the weight and then when you bring it up because the weight sits outside of your arms.

Starting point is 00:49:58 So you can play with that as well. But honestly, my favorite exercises with kettlebells are carries, swings, and overhead presses with Turkish get-ups and what I say, windmills. Those are probably the best exercises I could think of with kettlebells. And I would put those in to replace dumbbell and barbell exercises for those kind of respective body parts or goals. Yeah, it sounds to me. Well, I know back in the day, we had like a smaller program out of this kettlebell for

Starting point is 00:50:27 aesthetics, but we just basically took a lot of, you know, common exercises and we put them together in kind of an aesthetic type routine. There's a lot of versatility with kettlebells is the point to that. So, you know, if your goal is to get strong, but also like really try and shape your body, like there's a way to do that by loading kettlebells. I like to use them personally more for, you know, lateral type training. And it really complements, like, barbell training very well because it's such a different stimulus and it's such a different way to, you know, load the body and have to account for that. And like Sal said, with unique moves like windmills

Starting point is 00:51:07 or bent presses, or things where there's a lot more rotation. So any chance that you can add rotation like in your rows and your overhead pressing, any kind of pressing, I think it's a very valuable tool for that because of the way it's loaded. So honestly, I think that even if you have an established barbell routine you're already doing, you can also add that in as like accessory lifts.

Starting point is 00:51:32 So, a question for you, are we looking to add the kettlebell exercises into the three day week routine, or are you looking to potentially complement that on off days with the kettlebells? Is that an option, or are we sticking with the three day on off days with the kettlebells? Is that an option or are we sticking with the three day routine that because that changes my answer?

Starting point is 00:51:48 Yeah, I'm not married to three days. I mean, I kind of was going with three days because once I switched back to doing like a full, full body routine, it just worked better for me. But I think having the rig on my patio is made it a little bit easier to get out there when I can. So I think I'm not married to three days necessarily, maybe more as a complimentary type of type of. Okay, cool, because that definitely changes my answer. So first, your main goal is strengthen the way you look.

Starting point is 00:52:17 So to be honest, running the three day week, barbell routine is going to get you the most strength and probably build the best aesthetic physique. Now, I love to use kettlebells. How are, and your goals kind of aligned with kind of my goals. So how I like to do it is I normally pick one, two, three max of these kettlebell exercises that the guys both brought up. And I might do that on an, just on an off day. So like I have my three full body routine or routine. And then in the middle and there,

Starting point is 00:52:47 I might do Turkish get ups, wind meals, and carries. That's it, you know, it'll be a 20, 30 minute type of routine and I'm just gonna practice the skill of those movements. One thing that's cool about kettlebells is they, they're definitely high skill type of exercises and takes a lot of practice to get good at it. You probably I'll have to work on some mobility if you are limited in some movements,

Starting point is 00:53:07 like windmills and things like that. And like Turkish get up, which I think is really challenging. So I like to just pick one or two of those movements and just practice them and get good at it. And I would either one, add them into my three day week routine or two set a day aside where it's like, this is my kind of functional day. I'm just gonna to work on mobility. I'm going to work on these two or three kettlebell movements and the goal is not to push the weight really

Starting point is 00:53:32 hard. It's just to get better at the movement. That will carry over into your three day routine and you're not you're desired outcome when you're training the kettlebells. It's more about the movement and the art of it and the skill of it versus like really hammering the weight. Save the hammering the weights and your growth and your strength and changing your physique for the three day a week routine. That's how I would do it.

Starting point is 00:53:52 And by the way, there's no wrong answer here. I think everything that everybody said works. It's really finding what works best for you. Got it. That's awesome. No, that helps a lot. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. No problem, Dave. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. No problem, David.

Starting point is 00:54:06 Thanks for calling in. Yeah, it's, you know, I never used kettle, but actually a lot of, most people didn't use kettlebells for a long time. And then I don't know. It was probably what would you say? You wouldn't even find them in gyms back in the day. No, I think it was what? Early 90s, I think it really started to take off.

Starting point is 00:54:19 Yeah, but I didn't really see them. Yeah, I was going to say just to remember. 2000, I guess I was an early adopter. Yeah. Yeah, you were, you were, but even when you worked for me, it's gonna say, just to remember. I don't remember. Well, I guess I was an early adopter. Yeah. Yeah, you were, you were, but even when you worked for me at Hillsdale, there wasn't a kettlebell in there. No.

Starting point is 00:54:30 That's true, it wasn't in the gyms. No, I had to go, I had to go see. Yeah, there was all, so I always had like, and it started probably in O506. I was gonna say like early 2000. Yeah, O506 I'd say, I'd always have like one trainer,

Starting point is 00:54:42 that one guy who was like into like, different musically as a Russian guy. one guy who was like into like different musically as a Russian guy. The guy who read Povls book. Yeah. Well, because two, one of the main reasons why it wasn't adopted early by your normal big gym trainer was because it was like a thousand dollar, fifteen hundred dollars certification. It was very expensive.

Starting point is 00:54:57 It was very expensive to get certified in kettlebells. Nobody just, nobody knew how to use them. You know, the irony is kettlebells are the original weights. They're the free, the first The irony is kettlebells are the original weights. The first free weights were kettlebells. In fact, that's what dumbbells were called because it was a bell that didn't make sound. And then somebody created the dumbbell,

Starting point is 00:55:14 used the term and then they had to change the name to kettlebell, but they've been around for a long time. You can see the very first strong men who are using weights, they didn't have dumbbells, they had barbells with round ends, and then they had kettlebells. And I didn't use them for a long time. And to be quite honest, aside from the kettlebell-specific

Starting point is 00:55:31 exercises, like you're not gonna do a swing with a dumbbell or a barbell very well at all. There are some exercises I think, even traditional exercises I think kettlebells are better for. Overhead presses, I prefer a kettlebell overhead press to a dumbbell over, if I had to pick, and I like them both, I'll do them both, but if I had to pick, I like the kettlebell version.

Starting point is 00:55:50 Well, there's a reason for that, right? It follows the natural spiraling of the shoulder as you press for one, and two, it's loaded on the back of your wrist, which naturally pulls your back. It helps hold the arms back behind you. One of the number one problems when teaching a shoulder press to almost any and every client

Starting point is 00:56:06 is the forward shoulders when they press up, the arching of the low back, loading the kettlebells on the back of the wrist when you press. It falls at spiral rotation and in addition to that, it puts the weight on there. It's also just a fuller range of motion. I mean, you could do an Arnold press, I guess, with a dumbbell, but with a kettlebell, it's ideal for something like that. Yeah, that's one of the oldest tools out there, you know, that still has relevance today. So it's like one of those things, like, obviously, it's stood the test of time for reason.

Starting point is 00:56:33 Our next color is Kenzie from Ohio. Hi, Kenzie, how can we help you? Hi guys, nice to talk to you. I've listened to you for probably about five years now. So this is pretty cool. So a little background on me. I'm currently 18 weeks pregnant with identical twin girls. I'm a twin, my mom's a twin as well.

Starting point is 00:56:54 So I guess it just runs in the family. My background is college soccer at Ohio State. I've ran a marathon and then I had a hip surgery and then I got into bodybuilding. So, that was for about probably three years then got engaged, so focused kind of on family. So now being pregnant with my training background, it's been a little difficult. It's not as fun to lift when I'm not lifting as heavy. So that's been a little difficult.

Starting point is 00:57:23 So lifting is kind of just two times a week maybe now, if that. So because my twins are identical, I'm high risk. So my activity has gone down a little bit. So I'm just curious kind of getting ahead of myself. But once I have the babies and I'm clear to work out, what is the best option to start with? Because I know my core will be really weak and probably have lost like a ton of muscles. So I'm just kind of curious with my background, but I know how to do lifts.

Starting point is 00:57:56 We have a full gym in my house. So just kind of curious kind of where to go from there once the babies are born. So, Kenzie, the hardest thing for you is going to be your competitive mindset and knowing how to steer that correctly. Just hearing your background, collegiate level athlete, body builder competitor, it sounds like you're kind of a badass and you're definitely going to be in a different situation here and starting slow and right

Starting point is 00:58:27 is gonna be really, really important and you're gonna be challenged to get impatient. So that was the first thing that I wanna start off with. I got cut out. Can you hear me? Well, I'm gonna finish telling you what, or tell Kenzie what I would have told her anyways, whether she can hear me or not.

Starting point is 00:58:42 So the thing that I would say is that, you gotta be very careful on the dire too. And I know Justin will be able to speak to this really well too, because he has a competitive mindset too, is going slow and gradual, right? So the goal is always to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. In your case, I think that map starter

Starting point is 00:59:03 would be the ideal place to start. The one thing that, again, you're going to be challenged with is if you've got a competitive bodybuilding type of background, it's not like heavy barbell squats, it's not movements like that, but it's definitely where you should be right now before you progress into something like a map centabolic. Yeah. When you're training, first off, post pregnancy, a lot of your success, post pregnancy is gonna be what you did before you got pregnant

Starting point is 00:59:29 and what you did during your pregnancy. Now, two days a week of resistance training, during pregnancy is plenty to prevent a lot of muscle loss and to maintain some strength. So that's actually really, really good, especially considering that you're pregnant with twins, which makes things much more difficult. Post-pregnancy, Adam said, MAP starter, it's the best program I would recommend.

Starting point is 00:59:51 If you don't have MAP starter for people who are listening who aren't familiar with MAP starter, essentially you want to train a lot of unilateral exercises. So one leg, one arm, you want to use a stability ball, you want to go light, and you want to focus on full range of motion, and you really want to practice the movements, don't push the body. Allow your body to slowly progress, and consider this, because I've trained a lot of women pre-during in post pregnancy, and the three months post pregnancy is the hardest.

Starting point is 01:00:26 After about four or five months, then the body really starts to kick into gear. So what you're doing that for that first few months is really just getting your body to move right, getting your core to function again because you're gonna be so disconnected from some of the muscles in your core, so getting those to fire,

Starting point is 01:00:43 getting everything to kind of strengthen. After about four, five, six months, then you'll start to, and this is the comment I used to get from pregnant women all the time, or post-pregnant women all the time, was after about five or six months, they'd come to me and say,

Starting point is 01:00:55 oh, I'm starting to feel like myself again. And then we would start to kind of ramp things up, and then their bodies would progress rather quickly. But post-pregnancy, you're just trying to move, get your body to reconnect because, and just for lack of a better term, during pregnancy, it feels like, in some cases, this is true, your body's not yours. What I mean by that, it's not just transforming into something else. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:21 And that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's And that's, right. Yeah. Like to Adam's point, it's, it's such a mental hurdle, especially I think for athletes to really change the mindset and change, you know, the approach towards what is sort of like, I mean, it's your home base, like training used to be, it meant something completely different when you'd go to approach it. And so I think just really kind of putting your, your mind around what's gonna be best,

Starting point is 01:01:47 you know, in terms of like listening to your body, feeling your body as you're working out, and trying to come in with more of a calm head space, I think that, you know, that's really gonna help a lot. Yeah, so here's the two options for someone like you, because I think Adam opened it up with any hit the nail square on the head, okay? Here's your two options, either one, you go slower than you think and slowly allow your

Starting point is 01:02:12 body to adjust and progress. Or here's the other thing that would probably happen with someone like you, which I've experienced with clients, is you end up injuring yourself, which is actually quite common, and that really sets you back. Your pelvic floor muscles, you will probably have some stuff coming on there at the very least, some disconnection with some of your pelvic floor, especially if you deliver,

Starting point is 01:02:35 the babies, even if you don't, there's gonna be some stuff going on. You're not connected to your core muscles. They all have to stretch. You can't fire them as well. In fact, after you have the baby, when you go to do anything with your core, it's all hip to stretch. You can't fire them as well. In fact, after you have the baby, when you go to do anything with your core, it's all hip flexors.

Starting point is 01:02:48 You're gonna feel like there's no core stability whatsoever. The relax in a hormone that, or chemical that's released during pregnancy, that loosens your body up. When you have twins, there's more of that. And so you're gonna be a bit hyper-mobile, meaning you're lacking some stability. So going slow is the name of the game. And if you push yourself too hard with lack of stability, pelvic floor muscles not being connected or possibly

Starting point is 01:03:12 injured, which is quite common with core weakness, you can run into some problems that then become long-term chronic problems. And it's not uncommon to get a female client who used to be an athlete and then they had a baby and then they tried to work out on their own, then they'd come hire me and they'd say something like, you know, after I had my son six years ago, I've had this chronic back pain or this chronic hip pain. And then it's like backtracking is very, very difficult. So go very slow, take your time, you've got great muscle

Starting point is 01:03:41 memory, that's gonna work on your side. It's gonna take about three to five months for you to start to feel like your body is what it used to be or even assembling of it. So take your time. Map starter, perfect program, and again, if you're listening and you don't know what map starter is, it's a lot of unilateral exercises, a lot of stability, and it's using a physio ball through a lot of the exercises. Perfect. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. No problem, Kenzie. And we're going to send you map starter if you don't have it, okay? Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 01:04:11 No problem. I appreciate the sport. Yeah, there was a period of time where this was like, I had a lot of clients that I trained that were either pregnant, going to get pregnant or just out of baby, because I trained, you know, I had a studio for over 15 years and I trained one woman and then she was a part of like a mom's group. So I just started getting all these moms.

Starting point is 01:04:34 All moms. And the challenges with pregnancy and post pregnancy are unique. They're very unique to anybody else. And it's literally like your core post, you know, post, you don't, it's like you don't, it's imagine having to trying to get a muscle to contract and you don't even know how anymore.

Starting point is 01:04:55 That's literally what it, what it feels like. That's a body experience for sure. Yeah, so you gotta take your time and go slow, but I can't stress this enough. And Jessica's experience is right now. She's obviously my wife, my son now is five, slow, but I can't stress this enough. And Jessica's experience is right now. She's obviously my wife, my son now is five, little over five months old, and I just did

Starting point is 01:05:11 some body fat caliper test on her. And she's down to 22% and she's just getting leaner. And she's like, what's going on? I'm like, she's like, I'm not even working out that much. I'm only working out two or three metabolism. Yeah, she's only working out a couple days a week. That's the same thing. Yeah, she's working out a couple days a week

Starting point is 01:05:24 because the baby's barely sleeping, so she has to focus on sleep. It's like, why is she's only working out a couple days a week. She's working out a couple days a week, because the baby's barely sleeping, so she has to focus on sleep. It's like, why is she's like, this is weird. I'm like, honey, you were so consistent with resistance training before the baby, and during your pregnancy, that you set yourself up really well. Well, that's the thing. Yeah, if you have all that going into pregnancy,

Starting point is 01:05:39 it makes it so much easier to rebound. And then also too, it was crazy. When Courtney was breastfeeding, it was like all of a sudden, it was like this fat burning machine turned on. And so that's another benefit to it. Even though it's very difficult, it's a struggle, things like that, that your body will provide. It's pretty interesting.

Starting point is 01:05:58 Yeah, I would love to see her, not only do starter, but I would love to see her follow follow the maps prime pro webinar that I did. That is something that I would ask her to do too. I think just that'll help get her reconnected to everything. You got to kind of piece it back together. Yeah, and it's something she can do on her living room floor. Do it once a week in there. I think it's just a great way to get her back on the routine. The thing whenever I hear someone like that, like right away, I think, oh man, this girl's got competitive background. She's body

Starting point is 01:06:24 building before. Oh yeah, she's going to want to go to the desire. I think, oh man, this girl's got competitive background, she's bodybuilding before. Oh yeah, she's gonna wanna go to the world. Yeah, the desire, I mean, it's just like, it's no different, I mean, it's very different than obviously my knee surgery, right? Having a baby is nothing like that, so I don't wanna fucking get it. I don't want all the way to,

Starting point is 01:06:35 I know what it's like, I have a knee belt. I don't want all the women to crucify me for saying, I put my knee once. What I mean is having a competitive mindset to get back because you know what your body's capable of, and I can relate to that, right? I can't relate to having a baby, but I can relate to the thinking that I can do much more.

Starting point is 01:06:51 So my body says I can't, and sure shit, that's exactly re-entered myself, set myself back six more months, and so, yeah, taking it slow, listening to your body is crucial. Truth be told, some of the most challenging clients have ever trained in my entire life were ex-athletes. Oh yeah, they're so far. They're dumb. You gotta slow them down. They're stubborn too.

Starting point is 01:07:13 They don't get it, you know what I mean? Cause they have the, they just remember how their body used to be. And it's like, not the same dude. Yeah. Our next caller is Sam from Saudi Arabia. Oh cool, from Saudi Arabia. How you doing Sam?

Starting point is 01:07:23 How can we help you? Hi, how are you? Thank you for having me. No problem. What's your question? So we started the month of Ramadan today where we fast the during the day and we eat during night. So my plan is to have a lifting for,

Starting point is 01:07:44 yeah, and for three weeks during the day. I don't want to have a lifting during the eating window. So my plan is to work out for 30 minutes of heavy of free weights for 30 minutes, maximum. So I want to ask you about the nutrition that I should take during the eating window. What should I eat? Any more carbs, more protein, fats? Okay, that's actually a great question. So many people practice this. I don't think he's going to like your answer, though, right?

Starting point is 01:08:20 I think I know where you're going to go. Well, yeah, a lot of people practice this. And number one, I appreciate this practice. I think spiritual practices and spiritual health is very important. As far as your question is concerned, you know, what you would eat during your eating window would be really no different than what you would eat.

Starting point is 01:08:39 That would be considered healthy for your body if you were to eat all day long. Now, first and foremost, training fasted, totally fine. Not eating right after your workout. Nothing really wrong with that. If you have a big issue with that, I would recommend then working out right before your eating window. As far as diet is concerned,

Starting point is 01:08:56 now I've trained clients who practice Ramadan. And there's a couple common things that I've run into with some of these clients, not all of them, but a few of them, where they do the fasting window, right? But as soon as the sun goes down and then they can eat, they end up overeating, they end up binging, right? So it ends up becoming a fast and then feast kind of mentality. So my recommendation revolves around kind of, slowing down that initial feeding process. So when you're ready to eat,

Starting point is 01:09:29 maybe eat a healthy meal, give yourself something a little bit of structure. So the first meal you eat is more of a structured meal, then wait 30 minutes to an hour, and then go and continue to eat. I would prioritize whole natural foods, proteins and fats. I would leave carbohydrates towards the end just again, in my experience, that tends to reduce overeating vegetables.

Starting point is 01:09:52 Also, you could start your meals with vegetables. So kind of prioritize the more important food first. Allow yourself to eat into your satisfied, but be careful to eat past the point of satisfaction. I'm going to add a little bit to this. First, I just really think that when we're doing a practice like this, I think that the main goal is the spiritual side of this, right?

Starting point is 01:10:15 Like, and the truth is, and I've got this question a lot of advanced for this many, many times. And the normal, the concern from the person that's asking it is that they don't wanna lose their gains, right? They've been training for a while, and they're like, okay, Ramadan is here. I don't want to have 14 days where I slide way back. And the truth is, you're not,

Starting point is 01:10:34 if, especially if you're training during this time, right? If you continue to lift, the setback that you may have in these two weeks is going to be minimal, and your body will respond and rebound right away. So the first thing I would say is I wouldn't get that hung up on this when the real idea and objective of doing Ramadan is the spiritual practice of that, right, and to be working inward.

Starting point is 01:11:00 And that is a part of health, and that's going to only benefit you getting stronger and being better in life. So, I would tell you to do that first. And then really, if you're asking more specific about food, more towards sales advice, I would really just target my proteins fats and then lots of veggies. Like, that's, I would make sure that when I look at my plate, a food, I'm getting a high amount of protein because I didn't eat all day long, so I'm probably eating a big old piece of meat, having a bunch of vegetables, and then after that, I would have some carbohydrates like cells saying. So that would be like my main focus. But again, if you're training during this time, you're already going to be sitting a signal of the body to

Starting point is 01:11:41 hang on to whatever muscle you have. The main focus would be the spiritual practice for me. I don't do enough of that. I don't do enough of stopping my life and becoming present and working inward. That's why I love this practice. I love that you guys schedule the 14 days every year like this. I think that this is a great opportunity for you to focus on that stuff. And don't worry if you're training. You're gonna be okay and you're gonna come right out of it

Starting point is 01:12:06 when you get done. Now I do wanna add, of course, your training probably should be a little bit, it should be easier. Less intensity slower because you're not eating or drinking. And so having someone train really hard without food but especially without fluids or water can cause some problems. So really train very easy, mind out your body is personally, again, in my

Starting point is 01:12:34 experience, clients have either had success training first thing when they wake up, or right before they go and feast, but either way, you still have to be very careful, especially because you're not drinking fluids. That's the big thing I would say be careful for. Does that answer your question? All right, thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you for having me.

Starting point is 01:12:57 No problem. Yeah, this is... Thank you. It's practiced by, I think, something like one and a half billion people worldwide. Wow, that many. A huge amount of people practice this. And run the, so it's, it's 30 days long. They can't eat all day until nighttime.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Sunrise and sunset. I don't know how long it is if it's 30 days or I think you might be right. I can, I can, yeah, he was asking about 14 days, but I believe it's 30 days, right, Doug? It started on the 14th, I believe, of April. Okay. Maybe that's why I missed out on the food. Yeah, it's a whole month. It goes through, I think, May 13th.

Starting point is 01:13:32 Yeah, so, and it's no food, no drink. It's basically your abstaining from pleasurable things, no sex, no food, no drink. You're supposed to pray a lot during the day. I thought it wasn't part of the practice. They choose something they want to give up. Isn't that part of it? I don't know if they had anything to do with that.

Starting point is 01:13:49 But those are different. Maybe that's when I'm getting that. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, this is Islam. And this is, again, no food, no drink, no sex. And it's sunrise to sunset. Yeah, so now do a lot of people actually do, obviously, it's nighttime that's going to be the focus.

Starting point is 01:14:04 But do people wake up earlier, so where it's still dark, where they can eat in the morning? I've had clients that'll do that as well. So they'll start the day before the sun, right? But the big challenge I've seen is the, when you get to the point where the sun goes down, that's right, then the sun goes down and then it's like, I'm gonna eat all kinds of things.

Starting point is 01:14:23 And that's the truth is, and your answer with the eat, how you normally would eat. I know exactly where his head is at. It is always the, I don't wanna lose my game's muscle. I wanna, or I wanna build during this process still. And it's like really the 30 days of low calorie is not gonna do anything, but probably lean you out and probably be good for your body.

Starting point is 01:14:43 So do it, especially if he's still continuing training, he is not going to regress as much. You might see a little bit of a strength loss, you might lose a little tiny bit of muscle, but not a total different shift of focus. And I think that you just have to embrace it. And that's hard to do because you're so focused on trying to transform your body and build muscle and all that,

Starting point is 01:15:01 you just got to shift your face. I'll be honest with you, if somebody was otherwise very consistent, so let's say 11 months out of the air, they're very consistent with their diet, with their training, they're asleep. I think it's great to sleep. I honestly think that's- It's no training, no nothing.

Starting point is 01:15:15 I think a 30 day break, completely. I agree. I agree. Easy movement, maybe focus on mobility. If anything, they'll probably get better results. Now, I'm careful when I say this, I don't want people to do this for this reason.

Starting point is 01:15:27 I think the reason should be for the spiritual gains that you get from it. Not the physical gains, but I think the side effect of this honestly would be better physical, I think a deload month, you're focusing on other things, you're focusing on maybe on mobility,

Starting point is 01:15:39 but really it's a spiritual and you're taking a break. This is like one of those practices that has stood the test of time. Like in a lot of religions, they do, they do these things for a reason because it does benefit your, your overall health. That's right. Our next caller is Maria from California.

Starting point is 01:15:56 Hey, Maria, how can we help you? Hey guys, I want to start off saying thank you for taking my question and for this podcast, you guys put out so much good information. Thank you. So my question is what program can I follow to complement my Olympic lifting training? For context, I have been Olympic lifting inconsistently for two years now and have decided to perfect my technique and build strength, strength in my snatch and clean and jerk this year. My clean

Starting point is 01:16:26 and jerk have been progressing nicely, but I have a hard time going up and weight with my snatch and because of my weak core and my upper body and more specifically in the receiving position of the snatch. When I start the movement, my core is engaged, I'm doing good, but as soon as I do the second pull into the receiving position, my core is not engaged. My arms get wobbly and I miss the lift. So what program can I follow to help build up my core and upper body for a fast movement like the snatch? Oh, okay. So yeah, great detail. That really helps a lot. So, okay. So there's a couple of things going on here in my opinion. Now you're talking about any specific position things going on here in my opinion. Now you're talking about any specific position with a specific movement, you feel like your core turns off. Now, real, this may be a simple answer,

Starting point is 01:17:11 in the sense where I would put you in that position with weight, not the weight that you work out with, but lighter weight. So get in that receiving position. You're going that overhead squat. Specifically. There you go. Get in that receiving position, hold some weight, and practice Yeah, specifically there you go get in that receiving position hold some weight and practice Bracing your core the goal is to activate the core and hold it for 10 15 seconds because what it sounds like is it doesn't necessarily it sounds like you're having trouble connecting At specific portions of the movement. So we want to do is focus specifically on those portions of the movement While connecting with an isometric hole to start with, and then maybe some overhead squats like Justin was talking about.

Starting point is 01:17:51 Now as far as program is concerned, Maps Prime is going to help you the most with some of this kind of stuff. But specifically speaking, get in that position where you feel like your core is turned off, go lighter, hold that position, and then your goal is to turn those muscles on and see if you can hold and brace While in that position that you normally feel things turn on. Oh, this reminds me a lot of like the we get probably every week I think at least one question is like a sports specific type of question, right? This is very similar Olympic lifting is is a sport. And so nothing is going to get you better at performing the movements in the sport than actually doing the sport

Starting point is 01:18:30 itself, right? So practicing those movements, there's things that can complement, like I think you guys both just alluded to, but as much as I would like to tell you to go run out and get maps and a ball, like in performance and aesthetic, and oh, use that with these programs, and not that they wouldn't complement or help what you're doing. But I also would not want it to take away from your time of practicing these moves. That's the thing that's going to get you better than anything else. Yeah, I love all that, especially isometrics. I think that it's so underutilized by athletes, too.

Starting point is 01:18:59 And that's why I'm always trying to bring it up. We mentioned Prime Pro, it does have isometric movements in there, but it's one of those like real safe ways to really ramp up max intensity and be able to really get that central nervous system response without a lot of damage. And so I think that there's a big opportunity there, especially if there's a disconnect anywhere in that chain while you're performing

Starting point is 01:19:24 these really high skilled movements to slow down, stop, and wherever that discrepancy lies, let's really dig into that. Let's find where that is and start to ramp that process up. So Justin, since it's in the catch position for her, are you alluding to her getting in that catch position and then creating an isomac detention? Yeah, absolutely. What would that look like? So even if you have like a dowel bar

Starting point is 01:19:47 and you're emulating it as a barbell and I'm getting into that position, I'm going down in that position, now I'm pulling outward, I'm getting more attention in the grip, I'm getting that through, all the way through my arms in the full lockout position, I'm squeezing, I'm trying to connect to my core,

Starting point is 01:20:03 I'm getting my hips involved, my glutes, everything else. And just really focusing on a five to even 15 second, just max squeeze effort, and that's one wrap. Yeah, I mean, just to put it very plainly, if there's any portion of a lift, if you feel a disconnect at the bottom of the lift and the middle at the top, what you can do is just practice that portion of the lift with an isometric connection.

Starting point is 01:20:29 So get in that bottom position and see if you can turn your core on and then when you can, see if you can turn it on even more and get it tighter and tighter. Once you feel like you can turn it on it will, then you can start to load it slowly over time. And then when that feels like you've got the hang of it, then you go back into your full movement.

Starting point is 01:20:47 I could also see some value in doing like, because it's in the front rack position, if I heard that correctly, right? It's a front rack position when she gets down is an ash. No, snatch overhead. Oh, is that right? Make sure I'm clear on this before. Maria, is it? She should.

Starting point is 01:21:00 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's in the full snatch. So the bars above your head and you're in a full squat. Oh, so's in the full snatch. So you're the bars above your head and you're in a full squat. Oh, so when you catch up, okay. So yeah, I think actually doing that with lightweight and doing that full range like really slow and controlled, like tempo.

Starting point is 01:21:14 And doing like tempo squats, I know Olympic lifting is more explosive and so you're normally doing everything fast, but to train the core and better connection, I would actually do like tempo squats with it overhead. Yeah, and you know what's happening here is to get into position, which I mean, let's be honest, if you're doing a snatch and you're up in that position,

Starting point is 01:21:33 there's a lot of technique, skill, and mobility that's involved. And what's probably happening is you might be lacking connection or mobility on one part of your body and you're turning your core off to force your body to get into position. So it's hard to guess specifically what the issue is, but if you do an isometric at the bottom and turn your core on, that's 100% right start. It may be unexpected too, maybe just, you know, you don't have the right amount of mobility

Starting point is 01:21:59 and stability in your ankle. And so then now it's affecting you up the chain and, you know, and you're losing that sort of connection just right in your ankle. And so then I was affecting you up the chain. And you're losing that sort of connection just right in that spot. So yeah, I would totally go through each checkpoint in terms of your joints and see how they're functioning. One last thing on that Maria, do you follow Sonny Webster? Yes, I saw all those videos and I've been working on those mobility for like during COVID. And I actually have really good mobility. My coach at the gym tells me I have the best mobility from anyone he's ever seen. So I don't know if it's a mobility issue, but he tells me like, oh, it's your week core. And I asked him what to do. And he's like, oh, do planks. And I'm like, okay, like like plank all day, like,

Starting point is 01:22:40 I don't know. It's a connection issue, meaning in a particular position, you feel your core turn off. You could have the strongest plank in the world and still have the same problem. Correct, correct. So you gotta practice this position and turn your core on in this position. That's the only thing that's gonna give you

Starting point is 01:22:58 the biggest bang for your buck. Okay. All right, thank you for calling. Thank you so much, bye guys. No problem, all right. Yeah, I love. Thank you so much. Bye, guys. No problem. All right. Yeah, I love the detail in that question. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:10 That's a good question right there. I mean, so many given you that much detail really helps kind of get to the bottom. Yeah. I would say of the three of us, Justin probably has the best snatch. What would you say? Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:22 Yeah, I saw his snatch one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just going to talk about it. Yeah, hold it well. There was one more thing I wanted to add though, like it's you talk about playing like, I do see some value in a holo body position. Yeah. And so that's something that like a lot of gymnasts do

Starting point is 01:23:36 to be able to get that kind of connection throughout, through your limbs, through your entire body all at once. Well, and the reason for that is because you're like in that fully extended. Yeah, you're fully extended. Yeah, so if I was a coach, I'd probably have our arms in that wide position too, and then try to transfer all of that force through

Starting point is 01:23:52 the entire body. And that's really what it is. You want to emulate that movement. Yeah, I mean, it goes back to what I was talking about with we get athletes all the time, right? I'm a basketball player. I want to get in my verte, but then I want to also do all these other things.

Starting point is 01:24:03 It's like anything that takes away from you playing basketball is gonna make you not as good as playing basketball. The thing goes for Olympic football. The giveaway for me was when she said, it feels strong at other times. It just turns off at the bottom position. Because that happens. That's right.

Starting point is 01:24:16 So it's like, okay, focus on that position. Our next caller is Dan from Australia. Dan, how's it going, man? Thanks for calling. How can we help you? Hey boys, thanks for taking my call. My question is, it's double-barrelled. Basically, training in nutrition with a young family, so I'm 39 this year. I'm in pretty decent shape, but I followed Annabolly kinesthetic previously.

Starting point is 01:24:46 I've dabbled in a little bit of split, but not really for me. I like the full body stuff. And I guess, you know, thinking about training, where to next, after following things like that, I tend to go back and forth. The other one, and it's probably more important to me, is the nutrition and how I can take better control of my diet, particularly with a young family and a fairly busy job as a middle management teacher,

Starting point is 01:25:16 like an assistant principal. I really don't deprive myself, and I think I resonate with that and with the sugar battle. And, although I train regularly in run. I just carry that extra body weight that I just feel like is just grown over time. All right. So the question is, essentially, how to kind of get a little bit of a better handle over your diet and in particular sugar type foods. Now some of the best strategies that I've ever found

Starting point is 01:25:49 to work with clients in this regard is the simple practice of putting barriers in between you and the types of foods that you tend to find that trigger you. These are like trigger foods for you, right? So for you it's sugar for someone else that might be a salty type of snack like a potato chip. So that's for me, right?

Starting point is 01:26:09 Potato chips for me, that can be a problem. If they're in the house, it's just this, it's in back of my mind and it's this struggle and I find myself heading over to the pantry and having chips every other hour or whatever. So put some barriers between you and these foods. So step number one, don't have them in the house. But don't tell yourself you can't have them. So what I mean by that is you don't have them in the house,

Starting point is 01:26:31 but if you really want it, then you'll go and buy yourself a single serving of whatever you want. So if you want candy, you go to the store, don't get the big bag of candy, you get the one single serving of candy. Now, what that barrier is going to do is it gives you enough time to pause and kind of think about what you're doing because trigger foods tend to create this kind of impulsive action, right, where you grab it,

Starting point is 01:26:57 you eat it, and you're not really thinking about it. Telling yourself that you can have it, but you got to drive all the way to the store to get it, might give you, and it usually works, gives you enough time to actually say to yourself Do I really want that maybe I should have something else instead? And more often than not or at least more often than now you'll find yourself not You know engaging that behavior. I have two questions to kind of ask in terms of like, Ed, are you getting a good amount of sleep? Like do you feel like you're tired throughout the day?

Starting point is 01:27:33 Generally, yeah, even though I sleep pretty well. Yeah. Today might be a battle, being 3.30 AM down here. I mean, the land of us, but yeah, generally I feel all right. Yeah, I really resonate with that if it's mindless. Yeah, I'm just asking because too, I noticed when I was really, you know, lacking sleep and having kids

Starting point is 01:27:57 and I was a lot more prone to a lot of those types of foods and that kind of found its way into my diet. I had cravings. So that was something that I had to look into further how I could improve my quality of sleep. So about four years ago, I don't know if you've been listening that long, Dan or not, but four years ago, the ketogenic diet was getting really popular. And right at that time, I was just coming out of the peak of bodybuilding and loving the fact that I could, I was a monster.

Starting point is 01:28:27 I was 235 pounds, I was lean, I could eat about 400 to 500 grams of carbohydrates every day, which allowed me to keep my sweets and things in there and still look alright. And I remember all of us talking about it, we all talked off air and I think Sal was the first one to say, I think I'm gonna run this ketogenic diet for a while. And I was like, why the fuck would I do that? I was like, I love the amount of carbs I can consume and get away with.

Starting point is 01:28:52 I don't wanna do something like that. Well, the self-awareness that I have, I caught myself saying that, I was like, okay, well, that's the exact reason why I should do it is because I don't wanna do it. And let's see how my body will react and respond to it. So I did. And one of the things that came out of that more than anything else,

Starting point is 01:29:09 one, I'm not a fan of running the ketogenic diet for a long period of time because I think it just limits the amount of food choices that you have. I got really tired of macadamia nuts, avocado, and just meat and butter, right? It just got really lame for a diet. But what happened because that is a, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:26 essentially no carb diet, my body got really used to eating higher amounts of fats. And I had never in my life up into that point had a macro profile like that where it was really high fat and then moderate protein and then minimal carbohydrates. And it actually changed the way that I craved carbohydrates. And what I found was I didn't have the sweet cravings that I used to have all the time while I was on that diet.

Starting point is 01:29:53 Now when I decided to come out of that diet and I was no longer running ketogenic, what I noticed was as long as I kept my macro profile with this kind of higher fat and targeting protein first, and then carbohydrates become kind of an afterthought for me. It really minimized the cravings. And today, that's really how I eat. I eat this higher fat and protein type of diet.

Starting point is 01:30:18 I still eat carbohydrates, but now my carbohydrate ticket is like 150 to 200 grams, which is significantly lower than what I was. And I notice that it keeps the cravings down. Now, are there times when I eat it well above that? Yeah, and there's times when I do that. And a lot of times it's like, we're just in a little too with the sleep. I find myself craving those things.

Starting point is 01:30:35 And then I allow more carbs in. And when I notice it's like this vicious cycle, if I allow the additional carbs, it kicks up that appetite in the cravings. And then I want the sweets again. So one of the things that helped me out, and I don't know if you've ever tried that or not, but maybe change your macro profile to where you're eating higher fats, proteins, and then really minimize the type of amount of carbohydrates and see if that changes your cravings. Yeah, excellent. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:31:02 All right, Dan. And also Alright Dan, and also Dan. You said you're followed anabolic aesthetic, and I know you're calling from Australia, so it's like you said 3.30 in the morning, you got two small kids. I'd like to give you a free program, okay? So pick a program and we'll send it to you for free. It's a legend.

Starting point is 01:31:21 Yeah, let us know which one do you want. Tell us right now so Doug can send that over to you Let's get strong all right. Yeah good choice strong come in your way. Thanks for calling Cheese boys. Thanks no problem Man father or two calls it 3 30 what a sad I know I love the guy we have you know we have a huge audience in Australia and I think every single one I've met It's our it's you know what it is. It's our sarcasm. It's our sarcasm.

Starting point is 01:31:47 I think they get us. I think they definitely get us. We're a little inappropriate for California. Maybe. Maybe. We're a rare breed for here. Yeah. I think we have less California people that listen to.

Starting point is 01:31:57 We'll understand that's an Earth state. Yeah. But I tell you what, man, this is just, if you put those barriers between you and that food, but don't tell yourself you can't have it, you'll find that you'll start to pause, and you'll start to, your behaviors will start to change, because look, I'm in the fitness space, this is what I do for a living.

Starting point is 01:32:16 If I have potato chips in the house, it's like either I eat them or I don't, and it's this constant battle. I don't wanna live like that, just don't have them in the house. So then if I really want them, I'll get in the car and go drive and it's this constant battle. I don't wanna live like that, just don't have them in the house. So then if I really want them, I'll get in the car and go driving and get myself a small back. You know how many times I do that?

Starting point is 01:32:30 Almost never, because it's almost never worth it for me to get in the car driving the story and convenient. That's right. Well, to me, that's the kind of the first step, right? I mean, that's the, to me, that's a no brainer. Like if you're, it's like being a recovering alcoholic and hanging out in bars all the time. It's like, probably not a good idea.

Starting point is 01:32:46 Yeah, and maybe there's people that do that. I've heard of bartenders that are recovering alcoholics and they're fine with that. Maybe that small percentage of people are fine. Not a good strategy for somebody who struggles with those types of cravings. But it's been a while since we brought something like this up and talked about this.

Starting point is 01:33:01 I haven't shared this on the podcast in a long time, but that was our game changer for me. When we went to the ketoper, yeah, that's right. Switch, thank you Justin. No problem. That was, when I went through the ketogenic diet, as much as I didn't like it, because of what it limited my choices of food, what I did love from it is it forever changed my relationship with carbohydrates. I have not gone back to anywhere near what I was eating before, and I've noticed that I don't have the same type of cravings.

Starting point is 01:33:30 And now I can have ice cream chips or things like that in my house, and I don't feel the same urge as I had before. Unless I allow myself to go down that path. And just like I said, where I start consuming it all the time, but I brought up a month ago where I told you guys, remember I ordered that cookie, that cookie plus cake.

Starting point is 01:33:48 So that's cream pie. So that's still in my freezer. Five years ago, that would have never happened. How much of his left in here? Yeah, like a third of it still. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. That much.

Starting point is 01:33:58 So you have a third of that delicious cookie pie. Just like a spoon of it every now and then. No, I mean, I was, you know, maybe, Mabel, you're talking about it watching me. I know, right? yeah cookie pie. Yeah, like a spoon of it every now and then. No, I mean, I was you know Maybe I'm talking about a watching you. I know right? I forgot I did kind of forget about you just remember. I did kind of forget about tonight. I'm having it No, I really though I think a lot of it has to do with the rest of the day when I was eating a lot of carbs where I was I mean before I used to try It happens to me when I eat carbs. I want more of them. Yes Whenever reason yes, it kicks that craving up where when I fill up

Starting point is 01:34:26 on the fats and proteins, I don't seem to crave it. I agree. Look, if you like MindPumps content, you gotta head over to MindPumpFree.com. We have a lot of free guides and written information that'll help you reach your fitness goals. Again, it's MindPumpFree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram.

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