Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1541: How to Lose Fat With Calorie Cycling, At-Home Exercises That Increase the Big Lifts, How to Workout When Feeling Run Down & More

Episode Date: April 28, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether it is better to have a mediocre workout or rest and train the next day when tired, the best at-home stability exercises to increase the big 3 or 5, calorie cycling as an effective strategy for fat loss, and the truth about earthing or grounding. Mind Pump Recommends, Wahl Street on HBO Max. (4:06) Understanding how to scale a company when it’s not your niche. (18:55) Vuori Clothing, filling a gap in the market. (24:53) How you know you are made to be an entrepreneur. (27:43) Doug and Justin’s WILD experience at the doctor’s office. (29:40) Who is launching their bid to become the governor of California?! (35:39) The potential rebound effects from stopping workouts. (40:49) Why Adam is thinking of dabbling in the carnivore diet. (44:00) #Quah question #1 – When feeling tired, is it better to have a mediocre workout or rest and train the next day? (54:34) #Quah question #2 – What are the best at-home stability exercises to increase the big 3 or 5? (57:55) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on calorie cycling as an effective strategy for fat loss? (1:02:27) #Quah question #4 – What do you think about earthing or grounding? (1:05:26) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Specials: MAPS Anabolic or Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “APRILSPECIAL” at checkout** Wahl Street | HBO Max Originals Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Caitlyn Jenner launches bid for California governor California effort to recall Gavin Newsom gets signatures needed to trigger vote ‎Fitness Fame & Fortune on Apple Podcasts Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Mind Pump #1360: Carnivore Vs. Vegan With Dr. Will Bulsiewicz & Dr. Paul Saladino Mind Pump #610: Dr. Andy Galpin Grip Strength and Cognitive Abilities: Associations in Old Age Step-By-Step Instruction on How to Pistol Squat – Mind Pump TV GROW Your GLUTES with a SINGLE LEG DEADLIFT! - Mind Pump TV How To Overhead Press with Kettlebells | Mind Pump How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) - Mind Pump TV Z Press to take Your Shoulder Development to the Next Level – Mind Pump TV Suspension Training Series - 3 Favorite Chest Exercises – Mind Pump TV Calorie Cycling For Bulking and Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1537: Why Meal Plans Are Making You Fat Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Paul Saladino, MD (@carnivoremd)  Instagram Shawn Baker MD (@shawnbaker1967)  Instagram Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin)  Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, so in today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. It's a quaw episode that's Q&A pronounced. Well, but the way we open the episodes with an intro,

so we're gonna talk about current events, talk about scientific studies, we mentioned our sponsors. So here's what went down in today's episode. The intro was 50 minutes long. We started out by talking about the new show on HBO Max called Wall Street. This is about Mark Wahlberg. Really, really interesting show.

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Then we talked about Doug and Justin's doctor visit. They both went to the doctor together. We didn't ask why that's kind of weird that you went together. It wasn't for STD's. Then we talked about Gavin Newsom's challenger on the recall, you won't believe who's gonna be running as a Republican. Then we talked about the rebound effect

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The Apple podcast winner is Mrs. Yurgen. And for Facebook, we have Jesse Lee. Both of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I'm so mad at you. What happened? Here's a, you know, for those listeners, this is what drives me crazy about Soura here. I give, if I give them something to read, to watch,

anything, like you have to trick him into watching or reading anything like that. I'm not a dog. I know this. You have to put my little little little strategy because yeah, I've noticed that too. Yeah, I don't like presenting it very specifically. So what you do is you send like a message to me

and not the group thread so he sees it and you say like, hey, make sure Sal doesn't watch this. Yeah, make sure Sal doesn't watch this. This is our insight thing. Yeah, we have to do reverse psychology. What do you mean? Listen, bro, I first of all, I have to get your attention. Okay, hold on a second.

First of all, I got a baby at home. Okay, I'll hear from the excuses. And I get into shit. So I might have been in the middle of reading some random shit when you sent that I got a baby at home. Oh, here comes the excuse. And I get into shit. So I might have been in the middle of reading some random shit when you sent that. And I can't until I finish the thing. Yeah, but here's the thing though.

Okay, so like the economist thing that I sent over to you guys to listen to. I watched it. I know. And what does it do? It creates good dialogue that we can all discuss because we watched it where now you don't want to be a part of this conversation because you're... Why does everybody watch Wall b conversation. Did everybody watch

Wall Street? Yeah, everybody watched the whole one episode two episodes three. Oh, you watch three episodes. I watched most of the one. I can't really engaging. You sent the text to like 830 and I can't tell you. No, I told you guys the day before I reminded you again. Yeah, that's reminder game. I know I had to keep reminding you because I watched the the whole thing, right? So over the last three days. So I got to the part where... There was nowhere, you'll get the first episode. Yeah, so about what you know right now. So by the way, so if you haven't seen Wall Street and spelled with like Wall Bers name,

W-H-A-H-L, Street, it's, someone had told me to watch it before, I was like, man, it didn't really appeal to me. I'm not really into like following celebrities' lives. Just not my thing. But he's handsome. So Justin Bieber. Yeah, yes, yes.

You can follow him. No, what I really liked about it was, it really was just all about his startups. I mean, the whole thing is, he's got, I think, eight, eight or nine something. Now does it show what's going on? Does it get a chance to watch it or no? I watched the first episode.

Yeah. Did you like it? I liked it. Yeah, I just have to sign up for, was that HBO Max? Oh, you're not signed up. I'm not signed up. Yeah, I'm not signed up.

Okay, so borrow Adam's. Yeah, make the leap. Use Adam's passcode. So, he, so the whole thing is about that. And why you wanted to get you to at least like three or four, because I think Justin is right where the pandemic hits right? Yeah, right so wallberg is got

God in his how many of his businesses think cuz of that well, that's what's interesting That's what I want to talk so he's got the restaurant which by the way, okay? How much how shitty is this? Okay, so funny, right? We were talking trash about oh come on I'm gonna bounce all over the place right here cuz you guys reminded me of stuff F 45 I got a DM from somebody Who worked for them? Mm-hmm, and it was like dude? I'm so bounce all over the place right here because you guys just reminded me of stuff. F-45, I got a DM from somebody who worked for them and it was like, dude, I'm so disappointed in you and your analysis of F-45. And I said, well, I only have so much information because I unlike Orange Theory,

which I worked at for two years. So I have intimate knowledge of how the company operates and exactly all kinds of information about it. So I don't mind, you know, talking shit about them because I can pack it up. I don't have that much detail about F-45. I know people that work there and have given me, you know what the workouts look like?

Yeah, yeah, very vague, but he's like, no, you like, he's like, it is worse than Orange Theory. Oh, wow. Here's what I did not know they do that I cannot believe, I mean, brilliant business strategy here. Terrible for as far as service. So they have a virtual trainer that is getting videoed and is teaching the classes on TVs in there. And then that's one trainer, but like multiple locations. Yes. Okay. And that's like, and let's say it's, I don't know this,

but let's say it's an awesome trainer, really good. Whatever. Then the one person or people they have in the studio does not have to be a personal trainer. They're basically, I forget, I forget with the title, he gave the, he's a motivator. Yes, it's like, no. So there's not even that, there's no accountability

and biomechanics or you're not going around like watching. You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of how the massage places took advantage of the law or the massage places said if there's one certified massage therapist, there could be like an unlimited supply of trainees under that person so long as they're in the same room.

That's right. They can massage. So now you go get the foot massage and it's a bunch of people, massage people for 20 bucks and you can get around the law. This does the same room. That's right. They can massage. So now you go get the foot massage and it's a bunch of people, massage people for 20 bucks and you can get around the law. This does the same thing because it's brilliant. You have a certified trainer, but they're on virtual and they're teaching all these clad. Now you don't need 10 trainers, which is expensive. You need one. Oh, well, this is a motivator. Just one of one of Orange Series biggest overheads

that they have. And this again, this is because I have intimate knowledge of this business not as much as F-45, but I can speculate now on how much money they save. Because, you know, that was one of the things that attracted me to OTF was that I was blown away as a, you know, as a group training trainer that you could make like 70 to 90 dollars an hour. I've heard of for group training.

Yeah, and even higher, like if you actually started hitting like where I was like overfilled in classes, because you get like, yeah, they're paying their trainer as well. Yeah, I was up to like if you actually started hitting like where I was like overfilled in classes, because you get like Yeah, they're paying their trainers well. Yeah, I was up to or a hundred bucks an hour That's your group training group training that was already like mapped out for you I mean that was that's high and so you figure if you got eight classes a day You got eight hundred dollars in trainer fees that you're paying every day a day right per per facility Multiply that by now F 45 has this mean, brilliant on their part to be one trainer,

you're paying that money. They shoot it out, they cast it out. And they might even be able to pay the person 200 bucks an hour. They're still saving it on it. Yeah, more, right? You could probably pick five awesome trainers, pay them all super premiums.

15,000 people. That's right. Wow. I know. But it's crazy. It's crazy. It is crazy. And the other thing he told me was that it's, it's cringeworthy. It is cringeworthy. And the other thing he told me was that it's even more cardio based than orange theory.

It's just, and he goes to weights, don't even know. Well, from what I saw on Wall Street, that's what it looked like. It looked like they were just going exercise, exercise, exercise, exercise. Yeah. So it's just cardio with stuff. Yes. Well, wow. Yeah, and it's interesting.

I actually, I'm glad to, like Courtney was watching it with me, and it's always hard for me to bring up business with her and like really like, you know, be able to describe a lot of like what the conversations are like that we have all the time, you know, with partners and just with struggles of being an entrepreneur and all these types of things. And so I enjoyed this show mainly for that

because he's like, he's totally putting himself out there. All these different moves he's making, the hard conversations where they're ripping his business a new one and he's sitting there at the board, taking their advice and it's really valuable because that criticism is gonna help him steer back into a better direction and it's like you need people like that to really give you honest truth.

I think it's crazy what he's doing, right? So one is an apparel line, which we have our feelings about apparel. Yeah. I mean, you can really see how difficult that is and as they portray it. Oh, I mean, you guys have heard me on the podcast. So I mean, I, for the audience that doesn't know this, um, I've tried to start three apparel lines in my lifetime and failed at all of them, right? And the irony is that, you know, the most successful apparel line that I've ever had is

mind pump. And it's only by proxy to be what we've the success that we've had. I was thinking about you through that whole thing because like it's funny because he's like like the youngest of nine, nine people in his family. And so his whole struggle, he'd have like a pair of shoes that he's trying to keep super nice on the surface, but on the bottom, he's trying to rip them up because he wants a new pair because he's like the ninth kid. You know, it's like, I just remember like some stories

of what you'd had to like make cool. You know, like what you're wearing. And so it's like I always wanted an apparel box. I did too. So I totally connect with him on many levels, like, right? The passion to want to do that. But I've also learned the hard way already, like what a bad idea trying to start an apparel on it.

I mean, the truth is, and Walberg is the same way. He's not a fashion designer. He's a guy who's into fashion, like myself, but I have no business designing something. And he has just gone out and just hired all these people to do it. People that he likes, which in hopes, and then hopefully with his amount of publicity. With his notoriety.

Yeah, you know, hopefully. That's like a winning strategy, right? If you have a lot of notoriety, then you partner with the business person, and then use your notoriety, the business person. But it just goes to show you though, how unbelievably difficult it still is.

Even a guy as famous as Mark Walbert struggling to get this thing off the ground and running. And then of course the pandemic hits and that totally screws everything. So there's one one business idea that I don't like that he's that he's doing. The second one. Okay. If you guys, I think one of you has family that is in the restaurant business. I do. Okay. The restaurant business. I do.

Okay, the restaurant business, I have friends that are in the restaurant business. I was never monster. One of the hardest businesses to start. I would never do it. Yeah, now this motherfucker doesn't just start a business. He decides I'm gonna start a franchise, which okay, normally the progression for normal people

that aren't famous and have the money. Yeah, you do one, you then by the way, going to two and three is one of the hardest things to do. To replicate. I have duplicating it. To money. Yeah, you do one. You then, by the way, going to two and three is one of the hardest things to do. To replicate it. To make that culture, you know. That's right, yeah. That's exactly why, because it's one thing, okay?

To build a successful restaurant or any business for that matter, and do really well with it. But you have as the owner or the creator, you have all your hands on it. Then to replicate that is extremely difficult. So number two and number three are always we hard. Now let's say you crush one, you crush two, you crush three.

Now maybe you're in the discussion of, and by the way, that arch looks like five to 10 years of getting there, then you go, maybe we'll do a franchise. Mark decides I'm gonna build a franchise burger joint right out the gate. Now am I not mistaken, I think, like didn't they wrap a TV show around it? They did. They did?

Yes. So I mean, obviously that's gonna help with the, yeah. That's very smart. I think they made some good decisions in that regard, but again to his strengths, I think in terms of like the entertainment, the film, the documentary of the whole thing, I think he's doing the best job in that direction. Oh, I agree. So he has eight companies.

And I told Katrina, we're watching him, I'm like, hate that idea, hate that idea, terrible idea, love that. The thing that I think he's doing the best in, and I think where I would, if I'm him, I'm putting most of my energy, is in movies and production. And he decided his own production company.

That's his face. You know what he produced? What? Mick Millions. Oh, wow. Incredible. That was his first one. Home run, right?

So that's the first and only one that he's produced so far and they crushed and he didn't. He also produced entourage, like, or write it or. I know he's part of it. Yeah, I know he's part of it. And that wasn't part of his production company. Maybe that's what gave him the idea to start. You know what I noticed.

So I only watched, I don't know, 40 minutes of the first episode. I noticed he always works out with gloves. You guys notice that? Yeah, you're right. Why is he working out with... Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey I'm so glad you hit that because the guy I should shout this kid out and see if I can find his thing right here because he did he sent me a long old DM and it made me laugh because first he was roasting me for not tearing into F-45 and then the way he ended the DM was a long old DM like talking shit all about for where he's like and then to top it off Walbert wears fucking gloves when he works out

when he works out, bro. Dude. That was such a thing. I started dying like, that's such a great slide. I remember seeing all the dudes with gardening gloves. That was a thing for me. I don't get it. I don't get it. So I used to work out for a short period of time.

I worked out in the mesh fingerless, about Rocky Balboa and love, okay. And that's, okay, listen. I had a stint where I did, like a year ago. Listen, I watched Rocky, I identified with the dude, I'm like, this is cool, I'm on a run. In the 90s, did you have a little rubber ball that you just did?

Absolutely, didn't I brought you school? Of course, I did. And I bounced it around. Yes, I did that for a second. So I worked out in glove for a second. You know what I found out? I'm much better without gloves. I'm connected to the weight.

Plus, I don't want baby hands. Yeah, baby. Like, calluses are cool. Yeah, I think it's fine. Okay, you're, okay, you know why I realize this? Cause then I go, my dad in construction, I go lift something and I, oh, my hands hurt. I mean, look at me like, you disgrace. You know what I mean?

My hands are weak, sorry, dad. It's cause I wear gloves. Yeah, so I took the gloves off. No, I just dropped them. Yeah, then, okay, so there's, there's those businesses, then F-45. So the F-45 thing, I thought was really interesting. So, what is F-45 stand for?

Fitness, what's 45? I have no idea. Yeah, I would like to know. Who would go first, I have no idea. So the average age of the member, I don't know. 45 minutes maybe? 45 minutes maybe.

That would be the guess. I bet that's 45 minutes. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good bet it's 45 minutes. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six minute abs. Six minute abs. Five minute abs. Yeah, you could do five minutes. So the way it starts off is he is negotiating with them, right, to work out a partnership. He does their class, falls in love with it.

And by the way, okay, this is another fault of his lack of self-awareness that he doesn't see. And by the way, okay, this is another fault of his lack of self-awareness. He doesn't see. He is the typical person. We just talked about this on the podcast the other day. The type of person that is attracted to the quarters all junk. He is a grinder. This dude is working 12 plus hours.

Of course he's driven to high-intensity hard drink. And never in his mind, this is when you don't have experienced coaching normal people, does it cross his mind that you are an anomaly, dude. You are somebody that may actually do this way of working out for the rest of your life because you're attracted to that way of training. For the rest of the population, this is not conducive.

And so he never makes that connection. Decides he's gonna partner up with F-45. He's in negotiations for months. And right when he locks it in and they decide to do it, the pandemic is fine. Wow, that's terrible. That's where I'm at. And they're all locked up.

That's terrible. I know what that was, too. I noticed that in the first episode, the owner of the one he works out at wasn't a fitness guy. At all. And then the owner of the one he works out at wasn't a fitness guy at all. And then the owner of the supplement company that he works with isn't a fitness guy. You know, for me, one of the hallmarks of a fitness fad

getting ready to crash is when non-fitness people jump in. I remember when this happened with curves. Curves was blown up, and I remember I was looking into buying one. This is the fastest growing franchise. What's this all about? And I went in and I met some of these franchise owners and they didn't, none of them worked out. I'm like, oh, okay.

I mean, there's some truth to that, right? Like right now we're talking about something like some behind the scenes stuff for the audience. We are looking for somebody to come in on like a internship, in fact, we're talking to someone who we're potentially gonna start in the next couple of, to give them the opportunity to take our apparel and actually turn it into what it potentially can be. And I just got out of a meeting right now with Katrina and Chokey and they're wanting

to hear my expectations of what I want. And I said, well, I'm not looking for somebody who's going to come in and just take the responsibility of like the three of us that have been come in and just take the responsibility of the three of us that have been managing it and just do the same thing. And so, and I know, and I told Katrina and Chokey, I said, I saw you guys are looking for, what you guys are looking for is somebody who is fashionable and post well on Instagram and like,

superl, and is into that stuff. I'm not interested in someone like that. So the person that you guys think is gonna take this, I'm really intrigued if they're going to be able to do this. What I want, I don't care if this person has any fashion or is connected at that at all. I want some of you to understand that a scale of company because we already have an incredibly large base for them. It's already a successful business already. I'm looking for someone to take it to the stratosphere and that and we need somebody who knows how to do that. And that is like nurturing and value building and scaling email marketing totally totally different. Like, yeah, I don't give a shit if you know anything about a

peril. I don't like I really like I because we're already there. Yeah, we've already got the right. And that's not and that's not to say that there's there wouldn't be value. And so that's me just kind of challenging that point that like you don't necessarily always need a fitness person to be running a fitness company. So long as you are surrounded around the right people that are kind of mentoring you in that situation. In some ways, yes, but fitness is,

you guys know as well as I do, it's not a business like any other business in the sense that you could take and run successful. Look, look at the people at Rand Home Depot that came to 24 or Circuit City or all these other things. Like, it's not a numbers game. It's a disconnect.

In the same way, like a gym, you could, I used to do this all the time. They put me in a gym and I'd increase their revenue by 50% in a month. No different staff, there was no different marketing. It was all in the atmosphere and culture of the club. I ran gyms that were, how ceilings breaking down, the pools broken and we would crush because of the team.

That isn't, that's not the same. I know, I'm searching for an example that I can compare, you know, what it's like to scale a fitness business in comparison of things because I've had the opportunity. It's hard to find it. There's nothing like it. No. Because when I look at the success that you had in operating clubs and all of us had running clubs, the thing that I can say that we had all in common,

even though we're very different, is it's very much so a people business. And even though culture is important in every business, it's a whole different monster within us because you rely so heavily on emotion and the motivation and the keeping the people coming back where another business you can look at, like, purely like analytics. Absolutely. Oh, these margins are off here.

You're looking at it like products. Yeah. Cause here's what happened with, I mean, this is a classic story. It's happened to 24-Fitness people. I was in a meeting, I remember some of these meetings, I was one of the top managers and I'd be in these meetings. And these people came in from other large companies,

very successful. And they'd say things like, okay, 24-Fitness has the most clubs, we got more clubs than anybody. We got great equipment. Nobody could beat us on those two things. All we need to do is have the best prices. People don't care about anything else, stop giving them a tour, stop asking about their goals. Here's all you need to do. Show them the best price and then we'll win. And I remember being in this meeting thinking, okay, it's almost time for me to leave now because this is, and I remember, I remember

my district manager who's a fitness guy, he looked at me and he says, I have a question, he looks at me and he looks at the guy and he goes, how many memberships have you sold? How many gyms have you worked and he goes, none? And he goes, what about you, Sal? I said, I don't know, thousands. He goes, I'll trust him over you.

He says, this is very different. People aren't buying shit when they buy a membership. They're buying a dream. They don't even come back for the equipment. People don't care about, I know they say they care about the equipment, they're buying a dream. They don't come back for the equipment. People don't care about, I know they say they care about the equipment, they actually don't care. I've run clubs that crushed in comparison to clubs that were close to us, way worse equipment,

way less amenities, all that stuff. It's all about the culture. I mean, you were in Capital McKee. For God's sake, retention is so much more important in this business. It's so different. You're attention is so much more important in this. You know, maybe, maybe, so different. Okay, maybe I can, maybe I can draw a parallel, the thing that comes to mind that's closest is like a bar.

Right? There's, you can get alcohol anywhere. You can buy alcohol at discounted price or thing. But what, what makes a little pub? Yes. Like a pub. Yes. Yes. Crush over the pub that's actually right next door. Or three, it's the, it's the environment, the culture, that's true. That door or three. It's the it's the environment the culture is true.

That's true. That feeling you much of the social aspect. Right, because I mean, they all serve the same alcohol. I'm not getting a jack Daniels here. That's right. And you could save even more money by going to Costco and buying the alcohol. So it's you are going there for the experience. Yep. And that is why people show up to gyms. Yes, you want good trainers. Yes, you need to have equipment. Yes, being clean.

Those are all things that are important and help, just like you're having a pub that has nice bar stools and clean bathrooms. Like, yeah, that shit matters. But real, I mean, I've gone to, I remember my favorite pub that I used to go to, had disgusting bathrooms. But it didn't matter because the,

I love going there and sitting at the bar because the bartenders that would interact with me and became friends and knew the people that were there, it's that environment, that's what Drew Meyenne kept me company. And that's why fitness is not like a business that you could look at and say, oh, it's working over here, all I have to do

is plug it in and it's gonna be successful. In some cases, I can see that working, but that's when the fat is at its peak, right? So when the fat, when the fat stars fall, like they all do, the people that survive are the fitness people, not the people that went in and just looked at the numbers and said, this business makes sense. Yeah. So, you know, I feel like we're picking on poor Mark Wilbur care. He, you know, back to his apparel, a municipal. Where's gloves?

I'm so glad you brought that up. He's adding with the DM set. Full finger gloves, yeah. Not even the tips to count. Nothing's touching the weights. What are you doing? So the municipal, right? So let's take Viori, for example. Why did Viori do so well?

You had somebody like Joe who, not only was he passionate about fashion, he had the right connections with making a clothing line. And most importantly, he filled a gap at a need in the market. And the ATH leisurewear market was skyrocketing at the time. And the catering to women, man. It was Lululemon. Lululemon dominated that space.

It was completely targeted to women, very, very little market towards men there. And he saw this huge opportunity of, okay, very, very little market towards men there. And he saw this huge opportunity of, okay, here's a rising market right now in ATHLEAS you're aware, which didn't exist just a decade before. Nobody is serving to men very well. When I see municipal, cool stuff went out and he's having a designed all really nice. He's competing in a very busy, pretty good.

Yeah, he's competing against underarmour. He's competing against Lulu and Vio right now. It's just like, and you're relying 100% on, you've got enough capital, money to go hire the right people, and you are famous enough in a big enough brand that hopefully- Now that definitely can help, right? That can definitely help, but without all the other stuff, that's going to be rough. Well, so this is what, this is why I'm so intrigued by this show because there's a chance and this just goes to show you like, you know, technically, Wallberg, Burgers, the Apparel,

F-45, all three of these I believe should fail. I believe if I, even one of us was running it, decided to come up with the idea, you would run out of money or you would run in the red so long you would eventually walk away with it. But because of his tenacity, which I love, and his willingness to figure it out, like whatever no fail type of attitude, and his has willing to delegate to, and bring on his connections and his reach,

and he may be able to turn all of these around. And so that's what I'm most interested to see is like, well, you're rooting for him. I am, yeah, I like him. I like him and I want to see him. He seems like a genuine person. Well, what I like about it too is just, yeah, he humanizes it a lot, like the whole celebrity thing,

like, because he's a massive like a list star, like he doesn't need to be doing all these things, but like, you see that the real struggles through the whole thing, all these businesses, are real businesses have like lots of problems, it doesn't just work, like easy because you have celebrity behind it. It just doesn't work. No business just works.

Yeah, but people think that. People perceive a business, if you go, oh, I got the rock to endorse this, it's gonna fucking explode. And you know, it just doesn't work like that. No, dude, I was having this conversation yesterday with Scott, we were talking about business and entrepreneurship, and I'm like, you go, we just doesn't work like that. No, dude, I was having this conversation yesterday with Scott. We were talking about business and entrepreneurship.

And I'm like, you know, we were talking about entrepreneurs. I said, entrepreneurs, the only people that will work 80 hours a week to avoid working 40. And this is a true statement, you know, and I think if people enter entrepreneurship with the false understanding, like they think, freedom, less work. Oh, wait, that's work.

And you get to make money. You work more, but you enjoy your work more. But it is a a passion driven thing. And if you crush, you get to that point, but there's a lot of you shit, you reach it for years before you get to, and you fail. You fail often. Well, and there's a very much so a reality that you may never get there, but you may at least create enough freedom of that. I own this. I make a living on it. And that's because that's the real one. First of all, 80% chance you fail, then if you fall in even the 20% chance of being successful, successful can also be-

Just taking care of yourself. Taking care of yourself, having the freedom of it coming and going as you please because it's your business, right? But the likelihood of you actually crushing and then going out there and competing. Now, you know what's funny, what's funny is that this, here's how you know you're kind of, you're made to be an entrepreneur.

If you're listening to the, you're gonna probably fail. Yeah. And if you do, you're not, and you're listening and you get excited. Yeah, yeah, you're probably an entrepreneur. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause that should just makes me excited. You're like, oobrie.

Exactly. Now, now if you're listening, going, oh man, that sucks. I don't think it's the problem. No, I think that's a characteristic that you should, I mean, there's a lot of people that consider, like, should I go do my own thing? Like, if it doesn't excite you that the odds are stacked against you, you probably shouldn't do it. And if it does excite you, you're probably meant

to do something like that. Now, I love, for the longest time out, that was, I've always loved being the underdog. Of course. I've always loved being told I can't. Of course. Let me prove you otherwise. Actually being on the top is boring in my opinion.

It's not as exciting as when you're the person that people are doubting. Personally, I'm almost like when I get to the top, I find something else to be the bottom end, because it kind of gets a little boring. Because you want to keep promoting growth. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely.

Speaking of experiences, I've been mean to ask you, you and Doug went to get physical. Yeah. And you said you had a crazy experience. Yeah, but I want to hear what happened. I forgot to bring this up in the last podcast. Yeah, so we were getting our checkups and went to this place. It wasn't like a big hospital or anything,

just one of those little docks in the box places. And so we're kind of waiting out. We had to wait outside. There was somebody in there already a family. And we're just kind of like talking to and our thing. Also we hear like this like crazy gut wrenching screaming like just like a child. The child was screaming. It was like probably like 11, 12 you'd say done something about right.

Yeah, this tall like this Indian family and this this poor kid. Oh my God. So he was like literally like reaching for things in there, like, they were torturing him or something. Inside the doctors, I was saying the doctors are sort of grabbing some of the pamphlets, the flyers, the things hanging on the door,

it was shredding them to bits. What? Was knocking things off the table, bust open the door, runs out. Did they give them the Johnson and Johnson vaccine? I do. Exactly. It sounded like he was being abused.

Oh yeah. It was like, we were looking at you like, oh my God, do we need to like intervene? Like what's happening in there? How awkward. Yeah, and so he just didn't stop there dude. And he's running around the parking lot. He gets in the car, the parents find him

like kind of get him into the car in the car, the parents finally kind of get him into the car and then the kids just kind of like rocking and then all of a sudden bus open the door and he's like, ah runs again. And I'm like, oh my God. And then it doesn't stop there. So then they come out, they're apologizing to everybody and all this stuff.

And I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. Like he then, I think the dad was in there trying to wrap up with whatever he had to sign off. And then they get the kid, the kid gets out again. And he's looking around and then he sees me and Doug and he's just looking at us and he's just like, such reaching. And then he reaches and he grabs Doug's arm.

And he's like, like like take me with you. I know like yes, this didn't happen just once it happened. I think two or three times What he made a beeline over for me and he was looking at me with these eyes. It said save me. Oh my god But he couldn't verbalize it. Did you guys call the police? Well, here's a thing. So it looked like it was his family. Yeah, and he also look like I mean it looked like his family number one But no, too Indian Yeah, it matched it was a match But but yeah, so

So we knew that like like there was some kind of the melt developmental Right, I'm autistic or something. Yeah, so that's exactly what was going on. He was autistic and I'm assuming he got a shot, you know, and then thought that like everybody was, like he didn't trust his parents, he didn't trust anybody. That makes sense. He was raging and it was so heartbreaking, you know,

because we were just like, oh my God, it was one of hug the kid, you know, he's okay, man, it's okay, buddy, you know, he just, he was just, oh my God, really, I just want to hug the kid, you know what I mean? It's okay, man, it's okay, buddy. You know, he just, he was just, oh my God, what a wild experience. It was, it was terrifying. And then they looked at you guys and like, all right, you're next.

Yeah, like, yeah, they were like, okay. It was, I was like, I don't want to have whatever he just had. You know, like, can I have the other shot? Dude, I feel so bad. I know, I mean, I have friends who have children on the spectrum and it can be very challenging. One of them, if you change their routine, just a little bit, their routine has to be exactly the same

every day and if you change it just a bit, there's just this insane meltdown. And so it's a challenge. Oh my God, it made me, I was driving home, thinking about and everything. I just couldn't even imagine like with the parents, like, I'm sure it's not the only time that's happened, you know, where they're just like trying to explain

to people around the scene, the situation of what's going on, you know, what's happening, that must be so difficult. Like life for them is something else. My heart goes out to them for sure. Well, bless parents who have children with needs like that. Yeah, so it's very very challenging and I can't even imagine because you know You love your kid you I mean shit and matter. I love my kids no matter what right?

So you'll just you'll die for them right? But boy what a sacrifice, but it was like man Do what do we like we're like just innocent by standards? What do we now? You're instinct right? You're instinct Yeah, I was like I'm a half this kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are they doing in there, dude? He's my son shaking people off.

That's probably a pretty good assessment though, right? Autistic kid, he probably just got a shot because it came out of that right there in the doctor's office and also he screams bloody murder than all of a sudden he starts acting out like I bet you and that's how you probably feel as a kid, right? Like your parents like betrayed you. Yes, you know, I saw in his eyes. Yeah, yeah, he I bet you, and that's how you probably feel as a kid, right? Like your parents betrayed you. Yes, you know?

I saw that in his eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just like, ah, that's great. I mean, that real thing. I'll say. I'll never forget the first shot that I had Max misg it. The first time. Oh.

Even as a baby. That sucks, dude. Yeah, even as a baby. I mean, that ripped my heart out. Because you looked at you like, yeah, like, yeah, because you, you're distracting him and like, talking to him and this and that,

and then also he gets a shot and then he like I just start watering looks at you like oh my god till this day this is like you betray him till this day It haunts me when I when my son went to his first day of school. I remember building it up the fingers Oh, bro. I'm building it up and oh, you're so brave buddy. You're brave right? You're not gonna cry. Oh, yeah Papa I'm brave. I can't wait to go to school Then we go there and he's not leaving me at all. And then the teacher's like, all right parents, you gotta go.

So I'm like, okay buddy, and he grabs and cleans on to my shirt. And the teacher literally was pulling him away from me and I had to peel his little hands off of my shirt. And he's looking at me like, father. Why have you left me? Why would you do this to me? And I left and I walked into my studio. I just wanna have my studio and I remember my clients were waiting for me. And And I left and I walked into my studio, so I went ahead in my studio,

and I remember my clients are waiting for me, and they saw me and I walked right by them into the bathroom, because I was starting to tear up. And I'd come out like, what happened? First day of school, I get it. Oh, that's terrible. Speaking of craziness,

just you guys hear this? Okay, so we know that the recall is happening for Gavin Newsom here in California, right? Yeah. Okay. Did I pass? Have you, there's gonna be Newsom here in California, right? Yeah. Okay. Maybe pass. Have you? There's going to be on the ballot pretty much, right?

Okay. So there's going to be a recall, right? So now they have to vote to kick him out and replace him with someone else. Yes, who is just announced that they're going to run on the Republican ticket? Are we going to like it? Caitlin Jenner. Republican? Well, first off, she's been a Republican forever.

I knew that, but I didn't know that. Yes, yes. So I remember I watched the roast of somebody on Comedy Central and then they brought that up too. It was like, oh, really? She's running as a Republican to get Gavin Newsom out. Now here's my theory on the whole thing, because I see my, this sounds crazy.

This sounds like. Here doesn't sound like. Here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking this is a ploy by the Democrats to split the vote, to keep Gavin in office, because a lot of Democrats are mad at Gavin, a lot of like old school Democrats, so like ready to get him out,

they're ready to vote for another person, but they don't want to vote for a Republican, but Caitlin Jenner, Kardashian, transgender, kind of liberal-ish. I'm going to vote for them. And then the other people are going to vote for the other Republican. It's going to split the vote. They're not going to get enough votes to win. Gavin gets to stay in office.

That's my, that's my, I feel like it would split the Democrat vote more. I feel like there would be Democrats that would consider votes. There has to be enough votes to kick them out. So, if there isn't enough votes, he stays in. And can only one person run against him? No, multiple people. I think it's going to be Caitlin. There's going to be another Republican, whatever.

And Caitlin is... Now, some people are saying Caitlin could potentially win, right? Because it's the one Republican that would actually attract enough Democrats to vote for her. That's what I was thinking. I think it's more like the Democrats are in the back going, oh yeah, this can be great, because it's just going to split the vote. I can't even make sure Gavin said. Because remember Gavin is like, he was like the sweetheart of the Democrat party.

He was supposed to be first California next year up and coming for president. Good looking young, slick, whatever. And if he gets kicked out, that's it. Terrible. He gets kicked out. He's not making president. Well, he's got the, well, they wanted him to. They were grooming him. And if he gets kicked out, if he gets recalled, that's it. It's political careers over. So they're like, hail Mary trying to fix this whole thing. Is that the normal progression is to go to like California or New York and then you end up being like one of the... Not necessarily, but if you're a governor of the most

populated state in the country, he's already kind of a celebrity, he's one of the well-known governors. He's also got the look, right? He's kind of good looking and he's got the nice suits and not stuff and he's got a little bit of charisma. He's young, the look, right? He's kind of good looking, and he's got the nice suits and all that stuff, and he's got a little bit of charisma. And he's young, he's not like super old, like, you know, grandpa, Biden, or whatever. That's the guy that they're like, oh, he's gonna be on the next, he's gonna, on the roster. He's on the, he's ready to come in next,

but if he gets kicked out, that's it. So that's my theory. My theory is that they're, behind the scenes are like, hell yeah. I still, I think the rock is coming. That's what you're gonna see next. Oh, he would crush the rock. Yeah.

Yeah, no, he's already been doing stuff. He's already been doing stuff. Dude, he would crush. How would you beat him? Give the most likable person in the world. I know, that's why I think he's like, why would he want to do it? That's what I said.

Power, bro. Come on, when you get that much money, the only thing that's you can try to do on top. When you make that much money, okay? The only other thing that's interesting to you, especially if you're not a religious person, you're gonna is powered. You know what I'm saying? Like you've already made all the money,

he's already got all the money, right? I don't see him doing a lot of yoga, so I think he's gonna go the direction of power. Well Arnold, you know, kind of set the stage for that, didn't he? Now before that was Reagan, Reagan was an actor, but he wasn't like a huge actor, like Arnold was. And Arnold, remember, he was a last he was a, these are last reputting. He's a Arnold back of, of California.

Arnold, if he could run for president, he would, I think he would have bumper. He can't because he's a natural born citizen. Right. But if he could, he literally exemplifies the American dream. If you like, what, what the American dream means? And he's, and he's, he's not like a hardcore Republican. He is not at all. He was, he's like a liberal conservative. Yes. He was married to a candidate super connected to the old school. Yeah. Yeah. He's the celebrity. So he's in Hollywood, you know, type of deal.

And Arnold smart, right. He knows how to play that game or whatever. How many Republicans are going to be running for this? Like that has been worried now. Like, because if everybody's voting in a different direction and, and, and then that doesn't like pass through, like what the party will need to do is get behind one person, you know, and so is that gonna be Caitlin? I don't know, but I mean, it'll be great. I would have mind, I tell you what,

look, I don't know. There's been these better than God was. Yeah, or anything, yeah. I don't know her policy. I don't know her policy. In other different countries. I don't know the policy is that much. I know is that In the other deck of crap would be better than Gavin. I don't know the policies that much. All I know is that he's in the Kardashian family,

which is negative 50 points for me. However, Kaylin's like, we have too many taxes and too many regulations. And I was like, oh, I kind of liked that. That sounds good. So, so far you got my attention. Yeah. Kaylin, you already got woman of the year.

Can you win this too? Can you do a better, yeah. Let's see what happens. Anyway, hey, so earlier got woman of the year. Can you win this too? You do better. Yeah. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Anyway, hey, so earlier, I want to bring this up on the podcast. I thought this was a really good point. We've talked about this a little bit, but I think it's something to hammer home.

So I was on a, I was on a, uh, uh, uh, Ridgis Parry and, uh, John Romano's podcast this morning. And they were interviewing me about the book and about resistance training. And then we were talking about the rebound effect from when you stop exercise, right? So if you're working out and then you stop, you can expect to lose some of the progress that you made and the longer you stop, the more the progress you lose, right?

So you'll lose your performance, you may gain some body fat, all that stuff. And we were comparing the rebound effect from stopping resistance training to the rebound effect from stopping cardio. So let's say cardio is your primary source of exercise versus resistance training be your primary form of exercise. And you stop them both for a month, which one results in a greater fat loss in a harder position when you come back? Cardio. Of course.

Absolutely. And the point being, with the cardio, you're manually burning the calories yourself with the resistance training you sped up your metabolism. But here's the other part. Resistance training builds muscle, muscle memory sticks around. It literally leaves a memory of your fitness, and to get your fitness back is much faster with resistance to stringing. Here's the other part.

Cardio, the returns on cardio, begin to diminish way quicker too. So let's say you haven't done any cardio for, let me say six months or longer, and day one you go out for your run. For sure, burn a ton of calories because it's extremely difficult. But the body adapts to cardio really quick.

So within two or three weeks, you'd be surprised how fast you could get back up to your mile time or whatever it is that you used to gauge back in cardio shape. And along that comes with that is the returns because it doesn't have all the other benefits like building muscle does as far as metabolism boosting. All you get is the benefits of burning calories.

Your body gets efficient at it within two weeks. Yeah, so you're burning the calories manually and a resistance training, the fat loss effects come from this kind of secondary effects of building strength, and they compound. And they compound in speeding up your metabolism, right? If you lose, let's say it takes you 10 years to gain 30 pounds of muscle

and then you stop working out for six months and lose it all, you'll gain those 30 pounds back in probably six months. It might have taken you 10 years to gain it the first time. When you lose it and you gain it back, really fast. It's ridiculously fast. Muscle memory is beautiful. Resistus training gives you that muscle memory in a very different way than other forms of exercise.

So it's the closest you can get to permanent result. There's no such thing as permanent results, but it's the closest you can get with a form of exercise. I wanted to make that point because as I was talking to them, like, man, this is something, this is a great selling point for resistance training. So many selling points, but this is a great one because the average person stops working out at some point for a little while or misses a few weeks,

and they always worry about, am I gonna totally get out of shape? Well, that's what's so frustrating about. That's why it feels like such a grind because it is. If you're approaching it as the determiner for you to lose fat is always have to have my cardio and I have to make sure I'm keeping burning, it's a losing race.

Yep, totally. I tell you guys that I'm thinking about dabbling in the carnivore diet for a while. Oh, really? Yeah, so now you do Why what are you? Did you see did you see um Paul Saladino's post just like two days ago? Oh, yeah, with the guy with his legs. Yeah, yeah, so my my syrup Well, that's like the worst part is my psoriasis on my on my shin, right? So it was no it's nowhere near as bad as him

Um, looks like it's affecting your calves It is actually it's eating. It. It is actually. It's eating. That's exactly my problem. It's eating your gains. It's not my fault that I have small calves. Sorry. The psoriasis has been eating already. Sorry, I got to put some heat on you

because of the body image shit I'm beginning on YouTube. And then Adam's in the comments. Adam is literally calm. I saw a comment and it's like Adam, you know, Sal has narrow shoulders or stuff. And I'm like, what an Adam and I'm like, it's Adam! You said it. So I'm, so anyway, you're still in the fire.

So you're trying to do this to see if you can do it. So, by the way, I haven't committed to it yet. I'm like, I'm going back, and part of me saying it to you guys is wondering if I should and what, what if I should. At least for a month, that's my thing. So that's what I thought, okay, I thought, I could commit to 30 days, I could do anything

for 30 days, right? Because to be honest with you, I really have no desire to do it because I know that I would never follow that diet long-term. But if it did clear up my psoriasis as well, as much as it cleared up this guy's psoriasis that he was posting about, and then I slowly started to introduce it. Just to figure out what the hell was going on.

Yeah, to figure out what is the big offender on me. You know, that could be extremely valuable, right? So, because I never thought it was vegetables, but it could possibly be. I mean, there could be something like asparagus, which I eat a lot of or spinach, which I love eating all the time. And it just, and this is what I love about things

like the carnivore diet or elimination diet, because, you know because here you have someone like myself who is, for the most part, eliminating gluten, I've got my dairy and check, I've minimized my sugar, and I've done all these things. And all of them have had an effect. Yeah, and all of them have definitely helped, right? But I've not completely suppressed or got rid of my psoriasis. And it still definitely has its moments where it kind of flares up. And

so what I haven't teased out is kind of some healthy foods is some or what I would consider healthy, right? So like, you know, I eat a lot of avocado, eat a lot of spinach, a lot of sparrgus, things that most people would deem healthy and probably not causing any sort of gut inflammation to do that. But maybe it is definitely have to up your butcher box order. So I know, well, you that a part of why I was bringing that up was to ask that, but maybe it is. You definitely have to up your butcher box order. I'll say that right now. I know part of why I was bringing that up was to ask you, you're the only one that's ran the carnivore diet and done it the most consistently. What did your butcher box order look like?

You almost had to triple the order, because again, I was still eating too low of calories. Calories, that's what I'm concerned about. That's the big concern. Because you get so satiated, I'd be hard to eat more than a couple thousand. How would you eat more? Brown meat actually helped a bit.

So that's what I thought. Yeah, I thought. Because of the fat content. Yes. More say it's more palatable. More palatable. And you can add the seasoning and all that. I could just kind of get through a lot more of that

versus a big old steak. And the thing is to the red meat, for me, I felt the nutrients and everything else, more from that as I was eating versus, because I'd try to throw in some fish and some chicken, but I felt a lot better when I was just sticking more with red meat. So now, what do you guys think about this?

Because I don't know how much I'm gonna, like I'm not looking forward to just meet me. And I think this is okay, and correct me if I'm wrong. I'm gonna, I think maybe I might run all meet in like sweet potato. So I have like a carb that can go with it. And the likelihood that sweet potato is the offender of all things.

I think is highly unlikely. I think it would be more likely to be either some sort of a nightshade or some ore vegetable that I'm consuming on the regular basis, or like an an avocado or I think that has like histi, histamine like I think it's something that's more probably like that. The least likely to cause problems would be fruit. So fruit would be, that's what's out of what Paul would say, right? So fruit is a part of the plant that the plant wants you to eat.

Stems and roots and leaves are the parts of the plant that the plant doesn't want you to eat. Those are the ones that most likely cause. Okay, so maybe do like berries, because I feel like I just need to have something else. So it's not just meat all the time. Because that's the thing too, like everybody thinks that this is why I don't like about diets, right?

We write a thing like the carnivore diet or we come up with a ketogenic diet. And we get so, like, it's the principles behind it that are really valuable. And just learn some of the lessons. Right. Don't, like, become religious about it. Right. So I feel like I can eliminate a lot of things that are more likely to be the offender and narrow it down to maybe just a couple of things in my diet. So I have some sort of variety, but I'm following kind of a similar carnivore. Yeah, because you could easily do that. And then if you still have issues,

then eliminate the berries. The other thing too is your seasoning. So we gotta be careful with seasoning because you want to avoid garlic, you want to avoid pepper. Oh, really? Stick to just salt, right? Because people who are highly reactive to plants, oftentimes are reactive to things that go

like a good advice to them, because I see in the shit at a like, you want just salt. Salt, yeah. Salt and meat. Okay. Yeah, that's the ultimate like elimination. And then you add and you go from there.

Okay. Yeah, but ground beef, so it's gonna be really hard, right? It's gonna be really hard to get enough calories. You're probably gonna be really full. You're probably not gonna feel super strong, whatever. But here's the other side. If it is triggering autoimmune issues in you,

you might feel amazing, because it might not just be psoriasis. You might not even realize that. Well, and I think that's where most people like claim they have this like energy boost and they have this, you know, performance boost and the gym is really that they're fighting internally and their body so much as all these.

What do you think, so in this way, I don't want it, I don't want to go full on carnivore, I really don't. I feel like I can do this and narrow down to a couple of foods and stay like, so would you think it would be more likely that sweet potato or white rice would be, I think I digest both of them fine, I don't think either one of them would affect me,

but if I were to eliminate down to one, what would you choose? I would probably go with sweet potato. Right. That's what I thought. But you know, here's the weird thing dude. I've worked with, so I used to work with some. I know.

Who did gut testing? And this is before became a popular thing. And it was so weird, some of the things that they would find with people. Like I remember this one lady. I know. I've seen things that are avocados. Like that's why I listed those. Avocado, spinach, asparagus.

I had apples. There was this woman who had... Hissing mean tradition. She couldn't figure out why she had not psoriasis, but the other one. Exima. She couldn't figure out, I can't. It was apples.

She got rid of apples and it went away. Which for whatever reason her body was having this immune response to apples of all things. Now my theory is that it's most likely a food that you want to eat a lot of and you ate a lot of when you were over consuming, right? Because that's how it would go down, right? So hence why I think obviously ice cream is obviously a major offender for me,

because I would pile it on at the end of a 4,000 calorie day, eat another 2,000 calories in ice cream, sure my gut was inflamed, sure that it gets into my bloodstream, now it recognizes that as a an offender Right, right, right, right, right, so and then there comes the autoimmune response So that's pretty obvious to me. Same thing with sugar like I knew I was when I'm when I'm more likely to abuse sugar abuse Dairy is when I'm in an overconsumption place sweet potatoes

I'm roman leaning out if I'm eating sweet potatoes or just rice things like that. I feel like It's less likely that that would be a food that I was when I was over-consuming. Yeah, no, that makes sense. No, Saladino said meat and then the next ones that are least likely would be fruits and honey would be that. And by the way, it could be like zucchini. Zucchini's like a fruit, right?

So zucchini counts, you can eat that as part of that, but he does typically tell people to go all the way and then start reintroducing Yeah, I would do the honey like before workouts, you know at least have some kind of cool idea Yeah, so I'm gonna do like a modified version of this I think because I don't I'm not so I do I don't Yeah, my work is I mean now here's a deal like I always think about digestion like doesn't it make you constipated his hell or I know people are saying that but no it doesn't it make you constipated his hell? Or... I know people are saying that, but not weird. No, it doesn't. And yeah, I don't know, like, I don't know if I totally subscribe to...

I remember, what's the other Dr. Sean Baker? There's a name. Yeah, so he was talking about it as you just absorb a lot more of the nutrients because it's more bioavailable. That was his argument for it. Well, no, it is true. You're going to lose bulk. You shit less than that.

Yeah, that's true. You shit less than its smaller amounts. Yeah, and that's true, because you get bulk You're gonna lose bulk. You shit less than that. That's true. You shit less than it's smaller amounts. Yeah, that's true, because you get bulk from insoluble fiber. That's why if you take like, silly-um husk, you'll get these nice, fully formed poops because it adds bulk to your stool.

Meat doesn't add much bulk. So you're gonna have smaller poops. I figure because this is not like, I mean, my psoriasis is not like a, I've been living with it for a long time. It's not that big of a deal to where I'm gonna, like, I need to like eliminate everything. I'm like, why don't I kind of move in that direction?

You've also been, complaining a little bit about inflammation. Yeah, so I'm wondering if that's connected. Yeah, I know. It's been strange. You've been saying how weird you've been feeling inflamed. Yeah, I say that, but then at the same time too I also openly admit that I'm not like dialed right like that's actually that some of the best

I felt was when I was dieting for competition because I was so of course Yeah, I was so diligent about what I was consuming and so restrictive on so many foods that you know right now I'm kind of all over the place my consists, I'm really looking to just build something consistent. The idea is the doot is the kind of tease out a lot of foods, primarily with things that I might think would be healthy, like avocados and vegetables and nightchains and things like that. And then maybe stick to mostly meat,

maybe one carb like either rice or yams, and then like fruit, and then I'll stick to that. That will give me enough variety that I don't feel like. And then I can just add like one item at a time. That's right. Then I'll slowly start to add in A vegetable. Like then I'll just only eat asparagus. See if that does anything.

Then I'll only eat spinach. See if that doesn't. Oh, interesting. So yeah. Let's see what happens. I know. I might just get shredded. Well, hopefully that's good.

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Yeah, so this depends on how tired you are and why you're tired. If you, I also think it depends on how often this happens to you too. Of course. Remember when we had a good interview with Dr. Andy Galpin and we talked about this a little bit and he made a really good case for,

there's value in, you know, kind of forcing yourself through a workout like this sometimes, not all the time, not most of the time, sometimes. So if you're somebody who like optimizing versus adapting, that's right. Right. And so there is times where it's like, hey, you know, what you being able, you want to be able to get up and do these things when you take it's like, hey, you know, what you being able, you wanna be able to get up and do these things when you're taking it. If you always, you know, go easy or fold when you're tired or fatigued all the time,

then when you need to get at, you're gonna be able to perform. Yeah, and now, another thing to consider is that movement so long as the intensity and volume is adjusted is usually good for you, almost, almost, not always, but almost, no matter what. So if you feel sluggish or sore or tired, you probably don't want to go to the gym and beat yourself up,

but what you might want to do is go to the gym and do some full range of motion movement, and just to adjust your intensity. Yeah, some mobility stuff at low to moderate intensity, some stretching, and what you'll find is it actually helps rejuvenate the body. It actually helps increase improved circulation. So in those cases, sitting down and resting might be bad,

because here's another thing, these days, a lot of people feel sluggish and tired because they don't move. That's right. Not because they've been moving too much. I've seen this with my own kids, especially when they're doing school from home, I'll take them outside and force them to work out

or go on a walk. First 10 minutes, they're complaining. After about 10 minutes, their energy starts to perk up and they feel a lot better, even though they're complaining at the beginning and saying I'm too tired to work out. Yeah, well, your body responds to what you do the most. And that's what you're literally teaching your body, what the priorities are every single day. And so

to, to get up and to move at least, and like you said, like adjust your intensity and at least go through ranges of motion, I think is massively valuable because it just still sort of sends that signal that the body needs to move, it needs to function, it needs to express itself. And that's a healthy practice to maintain, it needs to function, it needs to express itself, and that's a healthy practice to maintain. But, you know, there are some days where you just had like an incredibly intense workout or you're just bombarded with work

or you just haven't taken a day off at all. I think it's valuable too to just take it off. Yeah, totally, but, you know, and there was that one study you brought up a couple episodes ago, Justin, where they showed that people working their grip, improved their cognition, just that flexing and squeezing of the hand got them to perform better with cognition. I noticed with the trigger sessions in Maps and Obolic, when I was testing the program

out, I noticed throughout the day, the trigger sessions were better than a cup of coffee. They energized me. Even if I went into them like, oh, man, I'm so I don't really wanna do this. And then I do it. And then I come out of it. And I feel invigorated. So movement is usually a good idea. You just have to modify the intensity in the volume.

Next question is from FP Packer. What are the best at home stability exercises to increase the big three or five? I've got the first two right away. For squatting and deadlifting. I love pistol squats and single leg deadlift. For bench, what would I do stability wise at home that I think would improve that?

Well, also I'll give you a couple that I noticed for me, you had a huge carry over for presses and squats. Two things, carries, overhead carries really improved my presses. Just that stability that's required to hold that extended position, the tight body, especially the overhead press. I couldn't believe how much stronger I was

at the overhead press, just from practicing heavy overhead dumbbell, or kettlebell carries. Sled driving, okay, so I have now incorporated sled drives, regularly into my routine. Saturday mornings, that's my workout, as I'm driving the sled for five or six rounds, and I'm putting as much weight as I can stack on there.

And what's happened as a result of that is my squat has gone through the roof, and it's 100% because of the drives. I'm squatting almost more weight, if not more weight than I've ever squatted before, and it's entirely because of the sled drives. And I know Joe DeFranco, like swears by them. Now, sled drive is partial stability.

Part of it is the driving of the legs, but the part that I really feel most solid when I squat now is my glutes, my upper back, and it comes from holding my arms at distance and driving 600 pounds across the pavement. It's really made a big difference. Yeah, and I would add one to like the overhead press, the bottoms up kettlebell press, and it requires you to have a kettlebell at your house. But just that stability from,

having the different planes, so the frontal plane, so left to right, stability, having sagittal plane, front to back, stability, having that rotational component. All those things you have to account for because the load itself is teetering. So you don't know which side it's going based off

of your weakness. It's gonna lean towards your weakness and you have to adjust. And so I think it's a really valuable exercise if you're gonna look at it as reinforcing your shoulder joint and really addressing a lot of stabilizing muscles that are behind it. Which is normally a limiting factor

for most people increasing their bench. That was really good. I don't know why I didn't think that right away. Which is normally a limiting factor for most people who increase in their bench. That was really good. I don't know why I didn't think that right away. Which also reminds me then the Z-Press. Yeah. That's another great shoulder strength stability exercise that you can do and practice at home

if you want to increase your bench. Especially that one because you kind of start down below on your chest. Totally. Press and pull through. It dresses your core and back. Lower back stability. Yeah, totally.

And then here's some other ones you could do at home. You could do a full plank with your arms extended and really increase intensity through your arms and shoulders. Or you could bring the push up all the way down. If you tend to get stuck at the bottom of a bench press, you can go all the way down, hover above the floor and hold that with good, tight intensity for time. So you basically do an isometric at the bottom portion of

all of the things. Have you seen smitties? It's just more advanced. I wouldn't like to run a band. On the right-hand side. Yeah, on top of one of those, there's a name he calls it. Like the earthquake.

I think so. Earthquake push-up or something. Yeah. But I thought, I've actually done those before and I do find it very challenging in, you know, that in the bamboo bar as well. So like the Bamboo bar has like a flex to it. So, and you hang weights with rubber bands.

So basically, you know, they move, and it's basically like the weight in the load shifts a lot, and you have to account for that. So there's some value to this. Well, maybe a regression to that, because that's a bit advanced, but I like where you're going with that is suspension trainer. Oh yeah.

Suspension trainer pushups are grossly underrated. Such a great, you're right. I mean, that's a great point. It's a really great exercise to kind of prime before you go in a chest, like because, especially if you've got good mobility in your course, that's what I mean.

You work on the depth of those and good shoulder stability like that because the arms are independent. I've had a lot of success with going over, do two or three sets of suspension trainer pushups. I pick an angle that's relatively easy as far as the pushup portion of it, but more of the stability, the shoulder and range of motion. Do that for two or three sets, then go over to bench. I feel really locked in and stable before I go in. So that's a good movement. Next question is from Ty Finicum. What are your thoughts on calorie cycling?

Can you switch between very low calorie days and days at maintenance be an effective strategy for fat loss? This is the best way to do it in my opinion. And there's a couple of reasons why. One is more important than the other. Let's start with the less important reason. I believe that doing this prevents the metabolic slow down that comes from cutting your calories,

or at least it mitigates it, right? So when you cut your calories, no matter what, your body's always trying to match your calorie intake, and it's going to try to slow down your metabolism. Now resistance training can help offset this. Nonetheless, you do it long enough. You're still gonna see a metabolic slow down. I think injecting higher calorie days tells the body

that it doesn't necessarily need to do this and it reduces that effect. And there's some studies that support this. They show that people who do this tend to lose more fat and less muscle when they follow the strategy versus just going on a total cut. Now the more important reason for me is the psychological one. This mimics real life more than eating the same calories all the time.

So if you're following a macro, if you're counting your macros or you're trying to eat a particular way, but you know eventually you're going to go off that and live a regular life. If you eat the same thing every single day, transitioning from there to real life, it's gonna be much harder than if you got used to the ups and downs that's normally how you eat. Do you know how I pieced this together? I actually did not know about the science to support it first,

but I started to do it for the psychological reasons first. I mean, that's so important. I remember with clients back when we used to give meal plans, that they were very generic and the same thing, basically, and they were right around the same target, was getting these complaints of like feeling, oh, I'm so tired of it. And I had to rewrite another one, rewrite another one. One of the hacks that I found really quick was just giving these these drastic difference targets.

Like, you know, hey, today, and I would tell them, like, you know, today we're focusing for the next two days low-cal. So I want you to stay at this calorie range. Here's your kind of food choices. Just don't go above that. And then on Thursday, I'm gonna let you go to, you know, 2800 calories.

We're gonna have a good feed day. And then these are your food choices and give them like options like that. Just giving clients this variety of goals almost daily like that, broke up the monotony of doing the same thing all the time, and I had more success. This was before I found out later on

that it was advantageous for them to do that because of how it mimics real life and then what it does for the metabolism. It's so funny because we always try to create this uniformity and create these sort of standardized ways. Well, I'm so disciplined that I'm so regimented. I do this all the time.

But yeah, it's totally like unrelating and allowing flexibility and all that. Like it mimics just what you do in your life already. I think that it's always a lot more successful implementing strategies like this, even with training too. Next question is from Chichi CR. What do you think about earthing or grounding? Okay, so I like it, but not for the reasons that they say.

Okay, so the theory with earthing and grounding has something to do with the electrical charge. Not like what you brought up in the intro. Yeah, you're digging holes. No, nothing. Okay. That's not earthing. No, okay. What are you doing over there? You're earthing the You're a digging holes. No, nothing. That's not earthy. No, okay.

What are you doing over there? You're earthing the ground. You're earthing it, dude. All right, keep earthy. No, it's, so the theory is that you have these, he's charged, you know, earth has a different electrical charge that you put your bare feet on

and it balances out the electrical charge. It's good for your body. Something along those lines. I don't think that's why it's valuable. I think it's valuable because the bottom of your feet are full of nerve endings. 7,000. And the brain is connected to all those nerve endings. And because your feet are constantly covered, and that not just covered, but then you've got

rubber soles on top of them. That part of the brain that processes that atrophies, and you lose connection to your feet and you lose connection to those nerves and how they feel. So I think walking barefoot on grass and on the ground and on different things is good because it develops the muscles of the feet

and it also develops the brain, the connection to those nerves. And I think that's why people see benefit. I don't think it has to do with the electrical charges of the human body and the magnetism. Well, since I'm married to the woo-woo girl, I'm not discounting the, what this reminds me of, and I know you'll agree with this.

It's very similar to the way massage therapists have been communicating like the energy in your body, the way it moves and stuff like that. I thought it was an all up. But you know, so I think the language around it were just not there yet, exactly all the benefits. I could agree with that. And I agree, I, the way it got me to get behind it

was what you said, right? Because like you, I have that side of me that's like so anti-woo-woo, but if you show me some science to support, like, oh, that's very obvious to me. Nervantings in the feet, you're not connected to the ground. It's literally like, could you imagine working out in big old snow gloves all the time?

Or just always having gloves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to write with a pencil, do you think- You would lose so much of your ability in the- Yeah, you'd be terrible. You would be terrible the way you write, you'd be- You'd be terrible- You'd be terrible- You'd be terrible- You'd be terrible- You'd be terrible- You'd be terrible the way you write. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible.

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You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. You'd be terrible. is how many problems that people have that are stemming from the feet. And that starts with being connected and grounded and being able to actually grip the floor. And if you always have gloves on or shoes and socks on, you don't ever train those muscles, right?

So I like it just for being conscious of like being able to articulate your toes individually and being able to feel a little bit of a slight roll like in your ankle and being able to feel, you know, a little bit of a slight roll, like in your ankle and being able to adjust based off of the surface. And there's just so much value to that. Like you can think of it as like, you're just at your feet and your muscles

and your whole, you know, support system there and your feet by always like casting them in these shoes. So these are the physiological things that we know are backed by science that we can all get behind. I still think there's something else there too. There's something about when you take your shoes off and you just walk through some grass or dirt or as the sand on the beach and stuff like that. It's just, it's an uplifting feeling connected to the earth. It connected to nature.

And what I feel. And I feel like that's the woo-woo part that they try to explain. That they try and explain. I can get behind that because I mean, we evolve that way. Let's be honest. We could create, let me give you a different way, a different example. We could create a fake son, right? We could create a lamp that produces all the same UV rays on us, but it would still probably feel different than being out in the sun because we evolved

for millions of years touching the earth with our skin. So I could get behind that there's probably more to it. The part that I explained is the part that I know for sure, that I can explain. Yeah, I think it's somewhat of like we're adapting with our environment instead of like trying to create your own environment, to navigate your way through. Instead, you're adapting with our environment instead of like trying to create your own environment, you know, to navigate your way through instead you're working with the different, you know,

terrain of the environment. Yeah, you know, it's funny when you with these people who, you know, especially modern hunter gathers that are still barefoot, we think, oh, their feet must be so thick with calluses and numb, like shoes. And that's not true. They do have calluses, but their feet are far more sensitive than ours. I don't mean sensitive like they're ticklish or whatever. That's not sensitive. That means we can't process the sensations. That's why we can't handle certain things on our feet.

Their feet are much more functional and they can feel things underneath it, just their weight, adjust their toes, climb things, things that we would have difficulty doing, even with shoes on. So, and here's a deal. At some, now as adults, I'm sure there's a part of our brain that now is permanently never gonna be like it could have been,

had we always done this as children. Oh, definitely. I mean, I've put a lot of work in trying to work on, and I've come a long way, but I'm still unbelievably discontent. You're all, it's like learning a language in your older, you're always gonna have an accent, right? So, I mean, your son though come a long way, but I'm still unbelievably disconcerated. You're all, like, it's like learning a language in your older, you're always gonna have an accent, right? So, I bet your son though, you can see the difference in your son.

Well, and that's why I'm excited, right? I'm excited that, you know, I have this boy that I couldn't, I didn't have the knowledge as a young boy to do this, and I'm watching him, and I'll tell you something right now, like that, that was obviously, there was contention in the family about me pushing that so much, but my son skipped that while I believe fall and hit your head face.

Like he literally did that. He felt he feels the flow. He had it for like maybe a week, dude, like a week of when he went from not being able to walk to walking, there was that small transition. He is so unbelievably stable all the time. Like he does, I've never, we haven't had the only one time. Remember me told the show she put shoes on you know, the one time, remember me told the show,

she put shoes on. She put the one time Max has fallen over and bumped his head and heard himself was the first time that she put shoes on him outside. Dude, I was watching old home videos when I was a kid. And back in those days, doctors actually used to tell moms when your baby starts to walk,

put very strong supportive shoes on them to help them walk. And baby shoes, they used to make them. They'd have like stiff soles. They'd have those wood, they were like, yes, with a heel on it, and it would feel, it would be like little cast, and they said it was to help your baby walk. Well anyway, I'm watching these old home videos,

and there I am as a baby, and I see myself trying to walk in these damn shoes, and I'm like, really trying hard not to like get mad at my mom. That's what happened right there. You know what's cool to it? This is what happened. He figured it out. You know what I love about it too is that it's, I mean, he's, what is he now, a year,

a little over a year and a half and I trained him so well now that like I don't feel like I'm ever going to have to even have the discussion because he hates socks and shoes on. Like he don't even want him to have a Ben Greenfield bro. He don't even want him on his feet because you could tell he wants to be and I love it. You can see his feet working all the time when he sit down in a squat and so like that I can see his toes all moving around. I'm like, oh my god dude, like I feel like that's gonna make such a difference in him later on in life just with movement in general because he is so grounded and connected. That's awesome.

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