Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1554: How to Eliminate Shoulder Pain When Benching, What to Do When Strength Plummets After Switching to a Plant-Based Diet

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Alright, in today's episode we did live questions. So actually people called in and we answered their fitness and health questions live and we coached them. By the way, if you'd ever want to be on one of our episodes, live,

Starting point is 00:00:30 email live at mindpumpmedia.com, send them your question and your name and you might get on the show. It's kind of fun. Come hang out with us. Now that's the back half of the episode, but the front half, the first forty five, excuse me, 47 minutes of the episode is our intro portion where we talk about current events. We bring up our sponsors, we talk about science and scientific studies. So let me give you a rundown of today's podcast. We opened up by talking about, first off, we mentioned our sponsor, Public Goods, and their incredible customer service, and also their great product. So this is a company that sells environmentally aware products

Starting point is 00:01:08 and products that you use in your house to clean your clothes and your dishes and skin care products. They have food products. And the prices are incredible. Plus, if you listen to Mind Pump and use our code, you'll actually get $15 off your first purchase. That means if you buy $15 with the stuff the first time, it's essentially free. Go check them out, go to public goods.com forward slash mind pump, use the code, mind pump.

Starting point is 00:01:34 By the way, they also have kitchenware now. A whole tabletop collection. It's really really cool. Again, it's a one-stop shop for all household needs and of course it's mailed directly to your door. Then we talk about Team Poop. Looks like we're all household needs. And of course, it's mailed directly to your door. Then we talk about team poop. Looks like we're all synchronizing. Team poop, go.

Starting point is 00:01:50 Yeah, that's pretty cool. Then we talk about lady boners and posh winks. It was a great transition. It was frustrating me that some context is needed. You'll want to listen that part of the episode. Then I talk about how nicotine is actually a neutropic. Just don't smoke it. That's when it's bad for you.

Starting point is 00:02:04 Then we bring up robot candy machines in grocery stores. They're taking over. It's just them. It's evil. Not good. Then I had some bad news for Adam about small calves and death, so everybody please DM Adam your well wishes. He's gonna have some support.

Starting point is 00:02:19 He's gonna need those. Then we talk about plant-based protein and how you're going to want a blend for a good amino acid profile so that your plant-based protein powder is building muscle for you like if you were taking way protein for example. Now one of our favorite companies that provides a plant-based protein like this, organified. It's actually the one I use because I can't have dairy, so I use organifies protein powder. Again, it's all plant-based. It's a blend of several different plant proteins. You can check them out and use our discount and get 20% off. Go to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com-for-th-sash-mind pump. Use the code Mind Pumpet

Starting point is 00:02:58 Checkout for 20% off. Then we talk about Heavy Metal and Obesity. Apparently there's a connection between the best music in the world and obesity, pretty weak, worth it. Then they talked about my t-shirt that I'm wearing right now, got this from Michaela Peterson's website, so a little shout out there. Then we talk about tickling, we have a nice conversation around tickling and Justin might actually get tickle attacked later, but don't even try it. Then I brought up a study on cannabis and its long-term effects, or is it the reverse?

Starting point is 00:03:29 Anyway, great discussion there. And I talk about Elon Musk and how Tesla is not accepting them anymore and how that drove the price of Bitcoin down. And then we talked about inflation, because it's here, it's coming, it's getting worse. Thank you, modern monetary theory, or whatever they, it's getting worse. Thank you, you know, modern monetary theory or whatever they call it, just printing money.

Starting point is 00:03:48 Then we got to the questions. The first question was from Johan from Florida. He wanted to know about how he could help with his shoulder pain when he bench presses. Then we talked to Marie from Texas. She's using one of our most advanced workout programs wants to know where to go from there. Then the third question was from Cody from Michigan.

Starting point is 00:04:08 This person says, look, I have some pain in my shoulder and in my chest from an injury a long time ago. What should I do? So we give him some advice there. And then we talk to Jenna from Iowa. She switched over to a plant-based diet, but she's noticing that she's weaker in the gym, so it would like some advice.

Starting point is 00:04:24 And the final question was from Andrew from Texas. He's a new lifter. He's doing maps aesthetic, but he's noticing now that he's sleeping more at night. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? So we talk a little bit about that. Also, huge promotion for this month, for the whole month of May,

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Starting point is 00:05:00 Do you know what I'll top your head at? How many partners we have? We have like 20, 20, 20 something. 15 to 20. Yeah, somewhere. Somewhere, right? And can you count your partners? No, that's fine.

Starting point is 00:05:11 Yeah. How many partners have you been with? We always, guys, guys, the rule of three. Guys you divide by three women, you multiply by three. Yes, that's what it is. Wow, that's the, now is that all like same time or is it individual?

Starting point is 00:05:22 No, no, no, no, no, no, that's what, no, it's like whenever, whenever a guy sells like same time or is it individual? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no What I really like is, you know, sometimes I shared the mishap with the Magic Spoon serial, right, and what happened. And I have Katrina email customer service and go through it. And, you know, she's still got Garcia's last name. And so unless you're like a super fan of the show, like you don't connect the dots of like her emails attached to me or anything like that, right? So, so we had our our first thing with public goods.

Starting point is 00:06:08 They, this little spray bottle. At first, I had like a dumb ass. I didn't see that it wasn't turned on. It was on off still and I squeezed it. So you just did the guy thing? Oh, it's not working. Apply more force. Yes.

Starting point is 00:06:22 Oh. And broke it, right? I don't know. Son of a bitch. That's my go too. And I tell Katrina, oh, you know what? This is, let's see how they handle this. So I tell Katrina, I say, hey, could you send a message

Starting point is 00:06:34 to email public goods and let them know that our spray bottle, the first spray I did with it, it broke right away. And sure, shit, they responded right away and received yesterday the new. Such good customer service. Yeah, and they also kicked in like, they must have gone through our previous orders and see the stuff that we ordered

Starting point is 00:06:56 and set us up with some free detergent that came in there. I like the smell of their soap. You know, some time off, the one you use for, oh, it smells really good. It's really good stuff. I do that whenever I'm, this is my, I do this all the time. It irritates me and everyone else.

Starting point is 00:07:13 When I'm putting something together, and obviously these days I'm putting a lot of shit together because we have a baby. So there's always something to put together. Oh, I got the new high chair. Oh, I got this new thing. Whatever. Is that when a part doesn't fit or something's not right? My instinct is just to apply more force. Oh, I know why

Starting point is 00:07:30 I stopped fitting. And then it's a crack. Ah, I broke it. Damn it. I do that all the time. So annoying. I hate having the wrong tool. That's the worst. You know, it's like, you're, you, so a lot of times, you know, I'll go through the junk drawer or something to try and like, you know, just make it happen and then you try and so hard, you know, to make the like the wrong type of screwdriver kind of fit, you know, within that, I need a smaller one, but I don't have it on hand, but I still have to get this project done.

Starting point is 00:07:57 And then you just drink and, you know, a little hammered on. And then it breaks, and then it breaks, and then you blow it. Dude, this morning, so you know it's funny is that, and I think this is more science, I think. So you know how they talk about how there's that, I don't know if it's a myth, some studies say this happens,

Starting point is 00:08:13 other studies say it's not true, but you know how they say that women, when they hang out with each other, they're menstrual cycles start to match. Oh yeah, that's been debunked. Well, it has, but there's studies that say that it might be true as well. So who knows?

Starting point is 00:08:26 Naturally aligns. There's this evolutionary theory behind it that their menstrual cycle is aligned. That way they're not necessarily taking each other's men's because they're fertile at the same time. And it's this thing for the tribe or whatever I've heard that argument before. Anyway, something similar happens to men, right?

Starting point is 00:08:42 Now we obviously don't have a menstrual cycle. We man, we man street. Although some of us, our moods change like that happens You know I thought about Justin. I did. But, uh, God. Yeah, very moody. Yeah, but we don't we that doesn't happen guys Right, but here's what happens to guys and I've noticed this with you guys because we work with each other all time We all poop at the same time now. Yeah, it's very interesting. I'm almost I'm almost never it's like clockwork Almost never have I gone poop and what are you guys just install or walk you to the same time. I'm almost never pooping alone now.

Starting point is 00:09:11 Which is kind of cool. Yeah. Interesting. I don't know. Sucks for the third guy though. It does. Yeah. So this happened to be a way to around

Starting point is 00:09:18 and listen to noises and stuff. So this happened today. So I'm in the toilet, right? And now there's another guy. And here's a thing. We're usually the ones using the bathroom. It's like this community bathroom. So our studio, we share a bathroom with like other tenants.

Starting point is 00:09:32 And we're the most here all the time. The other tenants are always there. So I think I can count on one hand. I'm with times I should have seen somebody else in our bathroom. Yeah, not very, not very often, right? But anyway, I'm in there and I know everybody shoes here at Mind Plump, I can tell there and I know everybody shoes here at mine pump

Starting point is 00:09:45 I can tell like you know either you see they're gonna be converse. There are size 12s or dogs You know dog I know what issues are so Sky come so someone has come in I can already see it's none of our shoes So it's some random person so he's on the toy. I'm on the flag. He's with floor pattern Adam Adam walks in. He's oh we're doing team pooping again. He starts talking I'm like I said some random person to your Adam It's not it's not just no Oh fuck I don't want to be part of this And a weird thing they're doing over here. Yeah did, I have a hilarious little fun fact actually.

Starting point is 00:10:25 It doesn't have to deal with women's menstrual cycles. But so the term hard on, right? They use for guys, right? So there's an actual term for the lady boner that Australians use. You know what it is? What? A wide on.

Starting point is 00:10:40 Whoa! Whoa! I was like, whoa! That's hilarious! Wait a minute, yes. I'm getting all kinds of weird images. So that's referring to, why not? What do you mean, what is it referring to?

Starting point is 00:10:49 You need a visual there, buddy? Well, I mean, that's the first thing I got. It's your joke. I've never heard that before, I thought that was hilarious. You know what, you know, so when women get aroused, they get blood flow. So their vagina is made with spongy. I'm glad we have him explain this though.

Starting point is 00:11:06 Yeah, I just can't really know. It's gonna work. Tell me about it. It's got, it's got spongy, we need like a chart. Similar to the penis, right? It's this tissue that engorges. So a woman's, this is all book knowledge by the way too,

Starting point is 00:11:20 because he's only seen two. That's what we said. But why? I've only seen Adam and Justin. Great book smart. So, we're out there in the world. because he's only seen two. That was so. But why? I've only seen Adam and Justin. Three books more. So, we're out there in the world. Break it down, Doc. Break it down here.

Starting point is 00:11:30 Thanks for learning by accident. I learned by accident. We look at your vagina, Adam. No problem. No, it's, the part of the female anatomy that's homogenous to the male's right is the clitoris. The clitoris becomes a wreck.

Starting point is 00:11:41 So they actually get like a little tiny boner. It's a white on, you guys. Like a guy does. like a guy does. I want to know where you heard that or had that. I heard it on some podcasts. I don't remember where, but it was just like, I just stopped. Everything I was doing, I was like, well speaking of like funny euphemisms or whatever. So you know, guys know how I said once on a podcast and I've had so many people share this

Starting point is 00:11:59 where I said that people who wear a mask in their car when they're driving alone, probably also wear a con. Great, great line. When they jerk off, right? You have a mask in their car when they're driving alone, probably also wear a condom. Great, great line. When they jerk off, right? You have a few in your sleeve. So I did that as a post, right? And so people were sharing it, whatever. And then I had all these people from the UK tell me

Starting point is 00:12:14 that there's a name for that. You guys know what it's called? Jerking off of the condom. It's a thing, apparently. You know what they call it? A posh wink. What? It's called a posh.

Starting point is 00:12:22 It's not even mean, yeah. I don't know. Well, I know posh means kind of like, you know, like wealthy or whatever. So it's just like a wealthy thing to do. Like, I don't want to clean this up. Wow. You could just throw away condoms, okay?

Starting point is 00:12:33 Yeah. That's what that is. So I just, I'm just going to do this. And it's like the rich man sock version. Is that what it is? It's like, you do that in your sock. You wear that again. I do that in a condom.

Starting point is 00:12:43 That just sounds super depressing to me. Yeah. You put a condom on and not getting action. You just do sell, like, come on. That's a lot of work. It's another step. Yeah, I mean, what are you doing, bro? You're protecting anybody.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Yeah, you're afraid you're using it. You're using it. Anyway, it's called a posh. Okay, posh-wank. It was good to know. It's always good to get this science stuff going on. Never heard about it. Hey, speaking of more science,

Starting point is 00:13:08 I've been experimenting with a new new tropic. I've talked about this before, but I started. A new one, huh? Yeah, I started experimenting with nicotine lozenges. Have you done it guys this before? Oh, yeah. Did we bring it up? A long time ago.

Starting point is 00:13:21 I've been told that. I buy it, so I have them. Yeah, so I've been doing, so, okay, I'm not advocating for this. So, and here's a deal, by the way, when people here in nicotine, they think of cigarettes and all the health detriments. The health detriments from cigarettes don't come from the nicotine, they come from all the shit that you're inhaling and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:13:37 Toxic chemicals. Yeah, nicotine itself is actually not bad for you. It is addicting, like caffeine is, so it is a substance that your body will build a tolerance to and then you'll feel like you need it. So it does have addictive properties, but it's not bad for you. In fact, in some studies, it actually improves cognitive function,

Starting point is 00:13:55 especially in, believe it or not, in people with cognitive decline. So it's actually been researched to help people with like dementia and stuff like that. But anyway, I started experimenting with it and it definitely is a bit of an entropic. It's like almost like it's got this weird like wakefulness and relaxing effect at the same time.

Starting point is 00:14:12 I love it. I want to kick for a little bit here on the show where I would have our cold brew and then one of those before we were in court and it did a felt sharp. But you quickly adapt. You need more. Yeah, yeah. You need more. Yeah, really ran away.

Starting point is 00:14:26 And then I was doing two of them and then I was like, okay, I see where this is going. Because it's an addicting, you know, also. And you gotta be careful that, like your personality, you gotta know yourself if you have that personality where you'll just... I do. Yeah, and so if you don't recommend it to most people

Starting point is 00:14:42 because of that exact reason. But I mean, I've never brought it up for those reasons, but you get the balls to say that on the show and go ahead and- Massive. I actually, in fact, I'm trying to guy. That's such a 90s way of joking, teasing guys by the way. You know, nobody does that before. We're the only ones.

Starting point is 00:15:02 No, but yesterday I overdid it, right? So I was doing the nicotine and I was like, that was the lozenges and I was like, oh, this is kind of cool. And I was watching, I was doing some kind of research because we have some interviews coming up and I wanted it be prepared. So I wanted to kind of stay alert and awake

Starting point is 00:15:15 and so I'm watching these things. So I'm popping these nicotine lozenges. Yeah, yeah. I went too far, dude. Have you tried this? Yeah. Take too many. Well, it'll make me nauseous.

Starting point is 00:15:24 Oh, bro, all of a sudden I was like, it's just like, you know what it reminds me of? It was make me nauseous. Oh, bro, all of a sudden, I was like, oh, it's just like, you don't remind me. It was not good. Room spinning. Oh, it was not good. You know what reminds me of, if you ever accidentally like swallowed some chew, like, it's like that feeling. If you have too much of that stuff,

Starting point is 00:15:35 I've never, dude, and that was a thing. A lot of my friends, because baseball, you know, apparently, like, you're trying to be like the pro baseball players, and put chew in, and be cool guy. And I kept like, yeah, you're trying to be like the pro-based players and put chew in and be cool guy. And I kept like, yeah, I'm gonna try this. And every time I would just get so green and then completely ghost white and throw up everywhere.

Starting point is 00:15:54 Yes. And I couldn't, and like, oh, you'll just get used to it. And like, okay, the 10th times. Yeah. I'm over it. Yeah, I'm just not working. No, I mean, I did, so when I turned 18, you know when you turn 18, certain things become like legal,

Starting point is 00:16:08 but not like drinking, right? So when I don't know about you guys, when I turned 18, I was like, what can I do now that I couldn't do before? So I went, I know I could buy chewing tobacco. So I was driving to work. This is when I was a trainer. So I was driving to work. And I bought some chew at the gas station. And I didn't know that this would happen. I thought that I could, I was driving to work, and I bought some chew at the gas station,

Starting point is 00:16:25 and I didn't know that this would happen. I thought that I would notice and stop, right? Like, oh, I could just stop, right? So I took some of the chaw or whatever, stuffed it in my lip, and I started driving, and I'm driving, and all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, bro, I opened the window, and like, this is the only time of my whole life,

Starting point is 00:16:42 I've ever thrown out while driving outside the window. It wasn't good. Yeah. So preventing me from ever doing that again. Yeah. It was good to turn at least, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:52 Speaking of our interviews, we have a real soon here. Doug, what day are we releasing the sugar fat salt interview that we do with Michael Moss? Yeah. Next Wednesday. Oh, that's that's going to be a good one. Did you guys see it? It's a great information. Yeah, that was it.

Starting point is 00:17:06 That's gonna be a really cool interview. I enjoyed that conversation. We didn't get a chance to talk about this, but I wanted to bring it up with you guys. Have you guys seen what? So there's some stores that are banning or you see there's stores or states. I can't remember which one, maybe Doug,

Starting point is 00:17:19 and fact check me, that are banning the candy and stuff at the front. And to where kids, because that's like obviously a huge strategy, right? Is when you're waiting in line, everybody knows that you don't put a second item. Yeah, the Snickers bar, three inches from the ground is not to appeal to adults.

Starting point is 00:17:38 It's you're holding your kids hand, you're in line, and it's a dirty trick. Yeah, it is, right? So obviously, some of these places are aware of this and they think that they're going to eliminate that. Have you guys seen that? Did you guys know this? No, I don't know specifically,

Starting point is 00:17:52 but I have heard that they've talked about, you know, doing this kind of stuff. Now, here's the thing, I don't have a problem. You guys know me, I'm pretty like allow the market to kind of work its well. But when it comes to kids, that's where I have a little bit of an issue because I don't think it's the same thing as an adult making a decision for themselves.

Starting point is 00:18:11 I know parents are ultimately in charge of the kids, but I think marketing is so effective and aggressive that I don't think it's fair to just hammer children with this type of messaging so burklee was the first city to do it okay september of last year that that that town of so well the wall here's your free market right so what it what is the decriminalized uh... you know uh... still sign in right yeah stuff like that but yeah it's the uh... i agree now did you see the response though now what is what is candy coming up with to

Starting point is 00:18:44 respond to that and they've created this Robot candy thing that follows you in the story Yeah, look at look at look at that robot can you see that follows you? I mean the libertarian you have to love the the response the free market response All right, take a nice little pivot right there. Yeah, I take a set of robot now We'll just follow you around the aisle although Yeah, that's funny. That's hilarious. You cannot leave. We know the candy You know what though? Okay, so I'm not I'm not gonna lie imagine you're walking with your kid right your kids like five and you're walking

Starting point is 00:19:22 In the store and the robots like following him. Do you want some candy? We should have, hey, do you want to play a game? Yeah. Like aren't you gonna be like, I'm gonna kick this robot in the head right now. Right. You keep talking about this bullshit. You're like, look what we got right at the front.

Starting point is 00:19:33 Now this is worse, right? So I'm wondering what, yeah, check this out. Look at, look at that. Wow, look at that. It actually follows you around. That's a dick move, dude. I'm not gonna lie. Look at this.

Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah, that's aggressive. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. That's a dick move because, okay, here's a deal. Okay. When I'm hungry and I go grocery shopping, this is me, trainer, self-aware fitness health guy, I avoid the aisles purposefully with the shit that I know is gonna be tempting.

Starting point is 00:19:58 Yeah, for your kids. Now, me, even me. Now, I can't imagine if I'm in the grocery store and there's a robot following around with potato chips You sure you don't want one. Yeah, they're free. You can have one. This is really good gluten free or whatever organic Come on. All right. I'll have a couple there is there is one good rule that everybody should follow when grocery shopping that I think that I still make make the mistake I'm always reminded when I make this mistake and that is just do not go to the grocery store on an empty stomach

Starting point is 00:20:23 No, when you go on an empty stomach, Rub and one out before a date. It's exactly the same thing. Yes. You want to be in a clear state of mind. Yeah. That's called post nut clarity. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:33 So in this case, you want to be fed before you go do that. It's amazing the choices I make, how different they are. If I go there, I have an eight, four or five hours, I'm really hungry and I'm going to go grocery shopping. The stuff that lands in my cart versus just had lunch, head over the grocery store. I know what I need to get or what it's on the list. It's like never text any girl friends when you're drunk.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Like same thing, like it's not Facebook. Yeah, please. Have you guys ever seen a shutdown? Family or friends when they'll do a, like a Facebook post and you're like oh, they're drunk right now That's not really lit. Yeah, that just actually just happened to I won't sell this person out They're a mutual friend of Katrina and I and he was text-drunking a drunken text drunken Drunk texting. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, someone's drunk right now. I'm pretty sure that dyslexia thing is

Starting point is 00:21:24 Pretty sure it dyslexia thing is here. Pretty sure it's true. Just reverse it. Yeah, true. You knew what I meant. Yeah, I got you. He was messaging, and then they go way back too, and we're also friends.

Starting point is 00:21:34 And he was texting her back and forth, and then there's also a thread in our phone that has me him and her, and I don't think he realized. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, no. So he was like aggressively flirting with us. No, he wasn't. Yeah, yeah. And it's a friend of yours? yeah, no. So he was like aggressively flirting with me. No, he wasn't. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:46 And it's a friend of yours? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm okay with it. I mean, I knew he's had a crush on my girl since the forever, you know? That stuff doesn't bother me. I really don't get bought. I mean, I know my girl.

Starting point is 00:21:55 I mean, if you're confident, everything. Yeah, but I actually, you know, it's actually funny. I actually feel more sorry for him because I didn't respond. And you know, he knows. It's pretty sad. Yeah, and so I know he's like freaking out and turning inside like, oh my God, dude, I fucked up big time. I just, wow.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Sent a message like that. Wow, it was pretty bad too. But now here's a part that would bother me because I'm pretty confident too. So, you know, someone hits on my, whatever, okay, I get that. But if it's a person that pretends to be my friend, that's where I feel. I don't agree. That you get I feel. I agree with that. You get hell upset when I send Jessica pictures at like 11 o'clock at night.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Yeah. Yeah. So they aren't naked pictures of you. I know, but still. I mean, we're all fan. I mean, we both laugh at him when you say no. I mean, it's kind of crossed the line. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:36 I haven't said anything yet, but I know he looks like he's 12 in this picture. Yeah. I know we're. Yeah. That just happened. This literally just happened like two nights. Oh my god. Yeah, I would be upset because it would feel like. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun.

Starting point is 00:22:48 That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun.

Starting point is 00:23:04 That's a lot of fun. he's always loved my girl. And I'm saying there's very few guys that I know in my girl's relationships that she has that would not kill to be married to her. So yeah, you know, I'm aware of that. You deal with that. And I know how platonic the relationship is on her end. And so, you know, it doesn't really, whatever.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Dude, it's so funny. Well, this didn't happen recently, but a while back. It's just always funny to me when you run into people that like were in love with your girl, right? Oh yeah. And then they find out that like, oh, you're married with kids, and then you just see their demeanor,

Starting point is 00:23:35 just like get crushed. You know, like, hey buddy. You know, how are you? Oh, I heard things about you. Yeah, like your friends., always in the friend zone. Yeah. Yeah. Just to know the guy to rob Rubin.

Starting point is 00:23:51 I love Rubin, it did. I'm like, you know what? We should all hang out. And I give my number. You should have done that, Adam. You should have replied with a dick pick. You should have replied with your downed a bit, no, it's a little bit more fun, bro. Oh If you're like hey bro, I'm down you know, I just send a picture back and just see what he said

Starting point is 00:24:10 Hey man room for more Hey, she's not down, but yeah, I'm pretty Good time wow That's weird. That's yeah, I mean I feel like it not responding has to just create so much more angst for him than anything. Like, I mean, knowing that you sent that, you know, the next day, it's seeing that it's like, oh, fuck. Like, before I thought I was text like, I was framed into the house.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Before I was sending those messages to his wife, thinking that she's not sharing with him and thinking that we have this thing, right? But then, now I really know what fucked up. Oh my God. So, wow, that's terrible. thing, right? But then now I really know what fucked up. I'm good at this. So, wow, that's terrible. Well, I know things about you now. Well, I have some bad news for you, Adam.

Starting point is 00:24:50 So I know you just told that. Oh, wow, just laid on. Yeah, just a pile on the poor guy right now. No, no, I mean, I was, I read this and I was like, I want to wait for the podcast is interesting, but I almost didn't wait because I was concerned. But anyway, this is because we brought up his hip thrust. I know. No, no, no, no, no, no, I was just worried about this because I was concerned. But anyway. This is because we brought up his hip thrust. I know.

Starting point is 00:25:05 That's where this is going. No, no, no, no. I was just worried about this because I love you, right? So I read this art study that connected. You read for this, small calves with a shorter life expectancy. He's actually a study that shows this. That people with small calves have a shorter life expectancy. I'm so glad you're concerned.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Yes, there's two things. I want to know how you're more concerned about me than yourself right now. That's a good one. I'm out of this conversation. I think my life is just as good a lift forever. I'll lift forever. I think my mind might be affected a little bit,

Starting point is 00:25:37 but I was like, damn, Adam's screwed. So two things, one, we're gonna, I wanna make sure we stay healthy because we wanna offset that a little bit. Sure you don't. And two, we't get that life insurance dog set up quick before Kicks it. No, but can you believe there was a study that showed that small calves? That's right. I would have to do I think you read the whole thing or did you just read the I read an article about it

Starting point is 00:25:58 I laughed about it because you know studies like this all joking aside All joking aside, and I'm a healthy, probably not gonna die shorter than whatever. Well, how about the calf compliment? That would have been a good place to sit right there. I actually posted my socks that I was wearing two days ago. I don't know if you had my snoopy ones. Did you see those? No, I didn't see them.

Starting point is 00:26:15 Yeah, so I posted on my story and I actually got several DMs and I'm like, man, you get teased all the time about your calves, you have nice calves. I was like, thank you, man, actually, I actually have decent calves, you know, like they just look smaller because everything else is massive around me. That's what I mean. That reminds me of this, like I can't sit around the market.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Or it could also be like, the guy that's always like, man, I'm so fat, and all people go to me, you're not that fat. Yeah, right? Yeah, just make me feel fat. Like not that fat. They're not that fat. Yeah. That's actually good strategy. That's some fat. They're not that bad. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:45 That's actually good strategy. That's some problem. You downplay it. So I had a buddy like this that would make jokes about having a small penis. I had all the time. I had a buddy, the same way. And the reason why he did this is because he had

Starting point is 00:26:54 an average size penis. Lower the expectation. So when he would have sex with a girl, she was like, you know what, you're huge. That's not bad. I thought you said and then it was OK. 100%. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:03 It's a good strategy. I agree. I know, just Adam's a bit of a ninja with that kind of shit. That's not bad. I thought you said and then it was okay. 100%. Yeah. It's a good strategy. I agree. Adam's a bit of a ninja with that kind of shit. It's not a great idea. No, I get sent random studies all the time. Usually they're about cheese. You know what I'm saying? Thanks.

Starting point is 00:27:14 You always get sent cheese. Oh, dude, there's one. Like the popular one is that it has the same response. It's like heroin, you know, for your brain. You know what I'm saying, dude, okay. You know, and then there's the other one that I just got recently where they're just trying to justify like eating dairy in general.

Starting point is 00:27:30 You know, and it's just like, it's just hilarious to me that because of people in their intolerances and all that, I guess the whole millennial culture itself has like eliminated all dairy in the dairy industry is like scrambling right now because they're eating like nothing but but nut milk and everything else besides dairy.

Starting point is 00:27:48 I read that somewhere too. It's been taking a diet. Stupid. Yeah, stupid. Okay, if you have a dairy movement. Exactly, if you have a dairy intolerance, don't have dairy. That's it. If you don't have a dairy intolerance,

Starting point is 00:28:00 there's lots of nutrients in benefits too. Are you kidding me? High quality dairy is one of the most nutrient dense foods. It's very healthy. It's very good for you. Now there are studies that'll show that oh, we need drink milk. It actually can cause Here's where those studies come from. It's because we were sold for so long that fat was bad for you Yeah, that people were drinking Non fat milk, which essentially is like a protein sugar drink. Lactose.

Starting point is 00:28:26 And it would cause issue. It would water. Well, it would cause issues with people because a lot of the nutrients in milk don't get absorbed because the fat isn't there to enhance absorption. Drink dairy and it's an eat dairy and it's natural forms. If you don't have an intolerance, it's one of the most healthy food you can eat. I really feel like that was just in trying to assist you to the organified commercial when you missed it. I know. Was that what that was? That was.

Starting point is 00:28:46 Wow. I'm too ninja. Wow. Get better, bro. I was going there. I called me out. It's such a way of. Prove to obviously. A little too obvious. Before we get to organify and we will get to organify. Yeah. No, yeah. And okay, we'll just talk about organify first. Before we get to our GANIFI and we will get to our GANIFI. Plant-based protein. Okay, let's talk about our GANIFI first. I'm going to go back to the heroin comment. Definitely if you have plant-based sources of protein, like protein powders,

Starting point is 00:29:14 you want to have a blend of different plant-based proteins, so you get a more complete amino acid profile. Plant-based sources of protein are not as efficacious as animal on a gram-program basis. So, like, organifies protein powder has got multiple sources. So, you get a better amino acid profile, and it's just good. I can't have dairy, so that's what I take when I take protein with your 12 eggs. Did you get heat for that?

Starting point is 00:29:37 You always do. I think that's why you post it all the time. I love it, dude. 12 egg yolks and organified protein will trip out on them. Oh my God. You're going to die, bro. That's an expensive shake though right there Is it of course it is 12 eggs and Organifi?

Starting point is 00:29:49 How much is it doesn't it? Organifi is already on the up-per-end of what that doesn't eggs for the organic like free range Yeah, yeah, I get the I get past a rate what are they five six bucks? So what yeah? You order at like prices $25 $30 breakfast every morning You order 25 dollar $30 breakfast every morning Now back to the heroin thing when they say that cheese lights up your brain like heroin I hate studies like that because okay fine An FMRI showed that the brain looks similar on heroin and cheese. Okay. Have you ever done fucking heroin? Okay, it's not the same thing. Okay. I've never seen someone eat cheese Yeah, and look like someone who's doing heroin.

Starting point is 00:30:26 It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't work that way. What are you showing us up there? You're not gonna destroy your whole life on cheese. I was just curious about the blend of organify. It's right there, protein blend. Yeah, pea protein, flax seed, organic, quinoa pumpkin seed. Yeah, so pea protein by itself is one of the better sources

Starting point is 00:30:42 of plant-based proteins by itself. It's got one of the best amino acid profiles, but then they blend in those other ones. And they also have a digestive enzyme blend in there as well to help with the simulation. Which that probably really helps, because you're the type of guy that would take that after eating anything anyways, right?

Starting point is 00:30:55 If I was gonna have a high protein meal, yeah, I probably would do something like that. In fact, do you do that still? I know that you were doing that for a while too, I remember you guys both had some. No, he was taking something for gut health, but it wasn't that. Yeah, are you do that still? I know that you were doing that for a while too. I remember you guys both. No, he was taking something for gut health, but it wasn't that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:08 Are you still doing it? Yes, I am. Yeah, I'm still doing it. Is it help? It's been helping a bit. I mean, I, in terms of the acid reflux stuff, I've been getting better at it, but really, I have to go back to like the whole elimination diet

Starting point is 00:31:21 for me to just reduce. And also, it's a timing thing. A lot of times I gotta eat a little bit. I'm like that, what do they call that? The silver plate special or whatever when you come in early, the early bird, you know, like I have to eat around like five, six o'clock now. Really?

Starting point is 00:31:37 It just does way better for me. That's when I eat too though. Yeah, okay. I actually prefer doing that. I just feel better. Just straight old man style. Yeah. Well, I mean, I just feel a lot better when I go to bed after not eating for four or five

Starting point is 00:31:49 hours. I just sleep much better that way. So yeah, that's just the way I do. Well, another st-okay, so I can't explain this one though. Like, somebody sent me this hilarious study that was like correlating, listening to heavy metal with- with getting more obese. What? So the more metal causes getting more obese. What? So the more metal is obesity. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:07 And they showed like these like metal guys with their shirts off of, you know. Maybe because how angst and angry they are, right? I mean, is that some way? And then they just sit around, get it. They literally blocked like a few like different types of bands that were like, there's quite a few metal band members that are pretty rotund.

Starting point is 00:32:27 But it's hilarious to me. It was like, I don't know, some clicky. What about dancing? Dancing is fucking shrapnel. Yeah, dude, what about dancing? What about our friend, Bren Shapati? Yeah. You know, like, as of late dying,

Starting point is 00:32:38 like Tim Lambeesis was like totally yoked. Yeah. It's, again, it's a hilarious click-baiting thing that says the band members are the people listening. They're turning it into an entire genre. In general, most people listen to heavy metal, like tend to be obese. It's a correlation.

Starting point is 00:32:57 It's a correlation. There's no science bottom. Have you guys ever seen those posts on funny correlations? Like when the price of pork rinds goes up, you know, the stock market does well, or when it rains, like things that are not connected, but you can correlate. Totally. Yeah, so there's no connection. You notice something like that. No, I think it enhances my workouts. Oh, my God. Come on, bro. Hey, and Justin's not obese. I see you got your hell- in. Yeah, I know. Shout out to my K-Lopster.

Starting point is 00:33:26 Yeah, so this was for Jordan Peterson, because I tell you what. Remind the audience of the story, because I think it's so cool with their game. They try to say, so a comic book writer, the Red Skull is a villain. It's the archnemesis of Captain America. In the original comic books, he was like a Nazi, right?

Starting point is 00:33:44 And so he wrote a comic that showed that the Red School essentially had a bunch of rules and many of them mirrored the rules from 12 rules to life. So essentially, they made the Red School, they made Jordan Peterson to the Red School, this Nazi who's- But explain what Mikaela is doing with him. And so this is, I love what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:34:03 So they took the Hydra logo, which is the logo of the you know the evil Whatever it's like a octopus or something. Yeah, and she made it into the lobster because you know in 12 rolls He talks about the lobster central nervous system. Yeah, and how the way we're acting. Yeah So they made it into something that they could sell as a shirt that they would donate the proceeds or whatever So this is like a pro, you know, that's what I like I love that what they they are choosing to do because he's such a prominent figure in the space that every time the media attacks him. That they are going to put a play on a spin on it and then you're directing the hate and a positive. And then give the money directly. 100% he's the most by far. It's actually to be honest with you. It's quite alarming for me when I see this.

Starting point is 00:34:46 He's the most by far. It's actually to be honest with you, it's quite alarming for me when I see this because in politics You see mischaracterize makes kiss me character is a mischaracterization all the time you see lies all the time But what they tend to do is they'll take a piece of something that you say or do and they'll spin it a little bit They almost never do a complete opposite like make up lie, right? They don't do that But with Jordan Peterson's very strange and a bit scary yeah they they they literally make things up it's very interesting I mean I've read his books I've seen all of his talks I agree with a lot of stuff he says maybe not everything but the things that they say like he's like he preaches against the things that that led to Nazism and communism yeah but they'll literally say he's a Nazi.

Starting point is 00:35:25 You know, like that's so weird. Well, obviously it just screams that they view him as a massive threat. I mean, and that's really not what it is. And otherwise, like you couldn't try and uncover things that aren't even there and make things up to, you know, like paint him as his villain that he's really not. I mean, could you imagine if somebody came out

Starting point is 00:35:45 and they did a whole, you know, an article, New York Times and Oracle, Justin Andrews hates lifting weights in love's running long distance. Do you be like, what? Wrong. It's not even like, it's not, like, if they say. But you know what, the move is to make a shirt of Justin running and then donate it to like,

Starting point is 00:36:00 you know, obese kids or some shit, you know. That's how you run. I don't like this, like my arms and toes. Yes. I just, lots of are so shit, you know. That's how you run. I don't like this, like my arms and toes. Yes. I just, I just, Lots of shoulders. Yeah, nothing else. And you're, you're, you're,

Starting point is 00:36:09 you're gonna see people run like that that, that, that, that, that, because they can't run very fast as they're exhausted. Yeah. So they're essentially walking, but then they do this with arms. Like, I'm glad they're just flailing like limbs, but they're not really going very fast. You see this guy that would run in my neighborhood like that.

Starting point is 00:36:23 And I, I swore to God I could walk slowly just as fast as him, but he was doing the motions like he's running. Oh yeah. And I'm like, you're better off walking. Dude, my two favorite things to watch people do is run because of that, because you see all types of variations of how people put it together, you know, and get their body in motion.

Starting point is 00:36:40 The other is, you know, when they punch, and when they punch like pads or, you know, a heavy bag or something, just to see what comes out, you know, when they're attempting this. Most people don't know how to punch. Oh, it's great. I love watching it. Speaking of arms, see, it's reminding me of something I've been meaning to tell you guys. So I mean, Max is getting, you know, a little bit older, right? His time goes on here and you're starting to start to see like flashes of his mom or myself and him.

Starting point is 00:37:11 And so this new thing, right? So I, you guys know how he loves to sit and watch country music with me and it's like his thing. That's our thing, right? So he'll sit there for like an hour with me and or fall asleep on my chest and do that. So lately, he's been doing this thing where he'll be, he'll sit next to me and he's totally into what we're doing. And then also he'll go like this with his arms. And

Starting point is 00:37:29 it just happened just the other day for the first time for me. And I'm like, what is he doing? And Katrina goes, he wants you to like tickle his arms. I'm like, what? He's just out there to tickle. Bro, so he does this, right? And he wants, yeah, he wants me to just drag my fingers. And he'll sit there like this the whole time so cute and and Katrina's like I was like how do you know that's what he wants to do? She goes you know the way he gets that he goes that's so my mom used to do that to me Oh my gosh when I was little and I love that and I go it she goes It's something I've always loved she goes you like it to she goes you think about all the times that I scratch your, rub my nails around your head

Starting point is 00:38:06 and the back of your, and I'm like, okay, I do like that. But that is so funny that he does that. And she's like, yeah, no, it's totally what it is. That is so cute. Now it is, it's like, it is the cutest thing ever. And he'll, if you don't figure it out, he'll grab your hand. Like so if I, like, that's out of it like this.

Starting point is 00:38:20 It kept grabbing my hand. And I'm like, what is he trying to do? And that's when she spoke up and said what he was trying, and then I started doing it. And then of course, he just went back and relaxed and threw us in. Oh, that's adorable. Yeah, so my baby son, so when I was a baby,

Starting point is 00:38:33 I used to move, I get excited and I do this with my hands and I do the same thing with my feet. And I used to like to, I'm very touchy feel. You guys know that. So if I was sitting next to my mom, I'd rub her hand or I'd play with her hair. I was always doing something with my hands. My son is exactly the same way.

Starting point is 00:38:47 She if he's breastfeeding, he's playing with Jessica's hair, or he's rubbing her back, or he has to touch like, the blanket, there'll be a blanket, and he'll kind of just sit there and rub it. So he's like so touchy-feely, which I love, because now I get to, you know, do that. Well, that's interesting, yeah, because my kids, it's funny, because for me, I was always like, very much like. Yeah, because my kids it's funny. Cause like for me, I was always like very much like wrestle whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:08 And then like my dad would like tickle me and I like, he did it. No. But I'm like so tickle-ass, you know, because I, because I would lose my strength immediately. And it would like dismantle me. I got out of my shit tickle. You know, like I shouldn't have said that. I really shouldn't have said that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Cause like tickle torture, but like it's funny to watch like my kids in the same way, like I'll start wrestling with them wherever I tickle them, and they pretend they don't like it, you know, they're just, ah! Dude, I knew it would stop. I knew a guy in high school that is when we were like

Starting point is 00:39:38 freshman in that, and you knew like, bro, it's because you like guys, you know, but he's young, he doesn't want to really admit it, whatever we're talking about. So what do you do? Like he'd want to get into a tickle fight, you know, you're like 15 it's because you like guys you know but he's young he doesn't want to really admit it whatever talk about so what do you do like you yeah he'd want to get into a tickle fight you know you're like 15 years old bro like why try to tickle like okay yeah let's try it hey let's tickle wrestle he's getting hot here we should ticker sure tough what do you think no we're not tickle wrestle k dude I know exactly we're do. I gotta single it in the back. Let's make it official. The winner is the one that holds the other guy down,

Starting point is 00:40:09 and tickles him the most. I don't wanna win that bad, dude. Something else is going on right now. By the way, we're gonna film it. Anyway, I just read the study on cannabis use. In fact, I'm gonna pull it up because, I wanna bring it up because it's a great way to kind of explain

Starting point is 00:40:26 the way that you should read studies or the way that you know sometimes you when you look at the results of a study you have to be a little bit more careful or whatever right so It was a 20-year-long study done on users of cannabis and what they found is that regular users of cannabis, and so what they're trying to do is they're trying to say,

Starting point is 00:40:48 this is what happens when you use a lot of marijuana. Regular cannabis users were more likely to engage in high-risk alcohol consumption, smoke tobacco, use other illegal drugs, and not be a relationship at the age of 35. That's such a terrible stuff. Well, hold on, they're also higher risk of depression and less likely to have a paid job.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Overall, regular use of cannabis, more than weekly and especially daily use was found to have harmful consequences. Bunch of degenerates. Regardless of the age. Yeah, and now do that same study on anybody addicted to anything. Yeah, addicted to food.

Starting point is 00:41:22 Yeah, addicted to anything. And you will show that. I mean, that's what it is of yours. I, so that's the problem. The problem is, it's like the chicken in the egg, right? The chicken in the egg, what came first, right? I think people who self-medicate are more likely to do all those things as well.

Starting point is 00:41:36 So you can't, it's hard to say, now I'm not saying that long-term regular, especially frequent cannabis use doesn't have side effects, I'm sure it does. But you can't take a study like this and say, because you use cannabis, you're more likely to do these things because maybe just being a depressed person or being an anxious person or having issues at home or whatever, is what makes you more likely to do all of those things, right?

Starting point is 00:42:00 So it's something you should look at whenever you read a study. What's causing what? And sometimes it's the reverse. Sometimes it's not you should look at whenever you read a study. What's causing what? And sometimes it's the reverse. Sometimes it's not what you necessarily think. Yeah, I also don't think that it's a good idea. I mean, I remember having this conversation with my little brother when he was getting to that age, right? I think it was 20 years old.

Starting point is 00:42:17 And at that time, he has an older brother who was in the cannabis space. I had the two cannabis clubs and hard for me to tell him, like, don't smoke weed. You know, it's like when I'm running a shop like that, but being really concerned with him, that it would, you know, consume him to where he's doing that every day. Really hard to be a productive person if you're smoking weed every day throughout the day.

Starting point is 00:42:39 It's just, I mean, and it's less about its weed. It's that you're, you're medicating with anything. Yeah, except that if you took weed away from him, he would do something else. It would be something like the alcohol or be food or some other drug or something else that he is distracted. I mean, when you when you do anything like that, right, especially a drug at all, right?

Starting point is 00:42:58 If you're doing anything, you're you're you're medicating or you're distracting yourself from something else that you're not dealing with. And to me that's the real study is that like if someone has deep-readed rooted shit that causes them to medicate on a daily basis with anything, are they keeping from something? Are they less likely for all those things? And I bet you would see the same correlation. Yeah, I 100% agree. All right, so would you guys hear about what happened to Bitcoin recently? Oh, with Tesla sort of, you know, what they do, they just rejected the accepting.

Starting point is 00:43:28 So Elon initially said, a little while ago, he said, we will now accept Bitcoin as payment for Tesla's, right? So he said that before. Now they came out and said, we will no longer accept Bitcoin for Tesla's because of the carbon footprint or the energy use. So here's what happens.

Starting point is 00:43:46 To mine it. Yeah, when people are mining Bitcoin factories that are doing the thing. They do, and it takes a tremendous amount of processing power and energy, and a lot of these places are fueled by coal plants, especially in China. So he says, we're not gonna take any more

Starting point is 00:43:59 until they find better ways of mining for Bitcoin that's less damaging than any way. because they're no longer accepting Bitcoin, the price of Bitcoin totally went down. Yeah, totally from him saying that. Well, I mean, he also made Dodge coin or Doge coin or whatever explode because all he said was it's a cool coin or something like that. So, and people are pissed because they're like,

Starting point is 00:44:21 I'm crazy is that. Well, and people are pissed because they're like, he's manipulating the market because The truth is I don't know how many testless they they had slotted for sale with Bitcoin It was like 50 like okay, what's the environmental impact of you know 50 cars getting bought by Bitcoin and He's owns I think they own a tremendous amount anyway is you trying to drive the price down to buy more Like what's the deal? He getting ahead of all this effort and emphasis now on environmental issues.

Starting point is 00:44:52 You're seeing politically, it's shifting more into that whole direction again. I feel like he was aware of all that stuff before. I'm on the side of manipulating the market. It would be so tempting. Cause it dropped a lot. I'm from like 59,000 to 50, like right away. What smart business person wouldn't? That's why I say it would be so tempting.

Starting point is 00:45:12 If you have that kind of power, or you can tweet something like, I don't like something, I mean, what's her face? The card issue. The card issue when she did it with Snapchat. Crushed it. Yeah, with one message or what of that?

Starting point is 00:45:22 Yeah, I mean, it'd be hard not to manipulate things like that if you knew you could, because you could technically get away with like, it's not insider trading, you're not, you know, like you just said something of an opinion, right? You said an opinion or say, hey, our company's not going to do this. You know what, too, I would like to see,

Starting point is 00:45:36 I don't know what this looks like, so I'm just speculating, but I would like to see the environmental impact of creating paper money. You're using paper from trees, you have to use power, you know, plants to make this paper. That's how you use recycled paper? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:45:50 I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's a special kind of paper that they use to prevent counter-fitting. You know, the ink and all that stuff. I wonder, because sometimes it's not as obvious, right? You see one thing, like plastic bags. Oh no, that's bad for the environment, but then when you look at the amount of water and

Starting point is 00:46:09 production and transport that requires for paper bags, you actually see that it's not Yeah, isn't that kind of calling the kettle black too with him considering that that's how it is with electric car batteries Yeah, I was just can bring that up. Wasn't there a study recently about like you know mining for these types of minerals and things like how much more of an Environmental impact that was making besides fossil fuels. Yeah, it's not as clear and easy as you think. Okay, so money is made from something called rag paper, which is made from cotton and linen, whereas normal paper is made from cellulose found in trees. So I don't know how much of a difference that makes.

Starting point is 00:46:41 Rag paper. Yeah, but I know that it's obviously special paper. There's like so many steps and things that they do to prevent counterfeit. Well, they're printing a lot of it right now. Well, speaking of that in inflation, did you guys see the Tim Kennedy post that he did just a couple days ago? Did you see that? Yeah, so let's talk about this.

Starting point is 00:46:57 Hold it up, so we can actually. We're happening with this whole gas crisis and you know why everything is just skyrocketing. Yeah, well there was a pipeline that got hacked and that reduced the production of gas with the trend. Did you get a hacked or get a held hostage or some shit I heard? Well I got hacked, held hostage by the way. I read, I don't know if this is true,

Starting point is 00:47:15 but I read that they paid a ransom of $5 million. According to Tim Kennedy. What a bad idea dude. You start showing terrorists. That's what he said. That you actually will pay. You're going to open up a whole can of worms. He tweeted this the other day so I don't know how accurate all these numbers are. So go do your own research to fact check here. But I think those are all accurate. I think those are accurate. I mean, I don't know for sure.

Starting point is 00:47:38 But lumber is up 400% right. And I think he doesn't have this on here. But I've read, you know, lumber, steel, like anything to produce a lot of the materials for construction, like I've talked a lot of contractors and they've like expressed how expensive materials are. Gasoline up 130%, national debt, okay, we can talk about that all day, whatever. National inflation is up to 4.2%.

Starting point is 00:48:04 The highest amount we've seen since 2008, although this is the very beginning. We're gonna see. Just wait though, we'll just tax it all of it and it'll all reset. No, it's gonna get, we're gonna see some serious. And you know it's funny when they give these numbers, oftentimes they take out food and gas. When they report numbers on inflation, they literally take out the two things that people need the most, which is food and gas. When they report numbers on inflation, they literally take out the two things that people need the most, which is food and gas. So the truth? Yes.

Starting point is 00:48:30 So when you get these reports, like inflation is only at whatever percent, but they don't include food and gas. That's true. True story. Really? Yes it is. Why?

Starting point is 00:48:40 Because they say it's to volatile or whatever, which is bullshit because those are the two things that we buy the most of. Like I'm not buying TVs and shit every single day. And the necessities. Yeah, I'm buying those things every day. I know I see all the same people that hoarded the toilet paper and now hoarding gasoline.

Starting point is 00:48:52 Oh my God. You see all the plastic bags even there. Yeah, what the fuck is that? Well, that don't even make sense to me. A plastic bag of gas. Dude, and then all the gas in the back of your trunk, like, somebody crashes into the back of your trunk. Well, people, okay, isn't there like a,

Starting point is 00:49:06 like there's a risk, right, with filling plastic containers with gas, right? I imagine it's not like. I would imagine also it would eat away at that too. Yeah, and we're gonna siphon it out of that to get it into your gas tank. What a headache that would be, too. Yeah, cause I apparently there's lines

Starting point is 00:49:21 that some gas stations are like an hour or so long because of this. Showered branch. But even before that gas prices were going up quite a bit. Some of this is due to the reduced supply because of COVID, like a lumber and building materials was a big reduced supply because they shut things down. And then there's also in combination with this incredible printing of money, which we still haven't.

Starting point is 00:49:44 This, whatever inflation we're seeing now, is nothing compared to what we're about. It hasn't made its impact. Well, that's why I mean, there's many people that are speculating that we're going to experience hyperinflation. Yes, and they're like, it's gonna be a short-term transient period

Starting point is 00:49:58 of hyperinflation. That's not a good thing. Like when you go to buy something and it's 15 or 20% more expensive, let's say add 20% to your bills. And some people, and by the way, you know, when they, when they do these policies and they say that we're helping poor and lower middle class, that's why we're doing this, who are the people that are most likely to suffer the most from prices going up 15 or 20%. Now wealthy people we could afford to pay right more than 20%

Starting point is 00:50:26 It's people who are living paycheck to paycheck and all of a sudden are like Do I buy it? Even if they maintain the price point like they're gonna be a lot less like other companies like they're gonna produce a lot less You know in the market. So there was toilet paper companies are actually putting less Sheets in and so they'll have you'll still have your 12 pack of toilet paper, but not realizing that rather than having, instead of having, I don't know, 150 squares or whatever now it's down to 200,

Starting point is 00:50:52 in order to keep the price the same. So people don't think- I'm surprised that a lot of them don't do that as a business anyways. I mean, imagine if you were, you know, the CEO of Cotton L or whatever, and you guys, I mean, how many millions of rolls of toilet paper do they sell a year, and you easily could, if you're the new CEO, you come in,

Starting point is 00:51:07 you want to show off some, yeah, hey, we're in cost. 10% off, nobody's going to feel or see a difference. They do that. No, yeah, I was gonna say it. Yeah, they do do that. Yeah, that is a strategy. So, so now here's what I'm going to predict. Yeah, now I'm going to make this. They do that. They do that. They do do. Wow, that's an accidental joke. So here's some, I'm gonna say this so that it's on air because this is what's gonna happen, right? So when prices go up, politicians are gonna come out

Starting point is 00:51:32 and try to help everybody by enacting, and this might happen on a local level. Hopefully, never, I don't think it'll happen on a big federal level, but they'll try to enact price controls on staple items. Oh my gosh, milk is too expensive, people need milk or food. So now what we're gonna do is we're gonna say

Starting point is 00:51:49 that they can't sell these products for more than this. And a lot of people who have no idea how economics are markets are. That's where they're at. Well, not just that. They're gonna think, oh, this is good, they're gonna help us. And then what's gonna happen is you have shortages.

Starting point is 00:52:01 Shortages. You're gonna go to the store, no milk. It's exactly what's happening. No eggs, no nothing. And then you're going to be rationed just like we were with toilet paper. Remember when the toilet paper thing happened and you had to go and you went to the store, they said you can only buy one roll. What they need to do is allow the prices to reflect supply and demand because that actually attracts more producers and it drives the real price down. That's right. It drives the real price down instead of creating shortages.

Starting point is 00:52:24 This clause brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code minepump for 20% off at checkout. Our first color is Johann from Florida. Hey Johann, how can we help you? How are you doing? Good. Great. Good for yourself. Good. Good. So actually, the thing is that I'm calling because I have been having some shoulder discomfort every

Starting point is 00:53:06 single time I've been doing a bench press or the like. And it's gotten to the point where I can't even sleep right or whenever I try to do a bench press, whether I do a shoulder press or whatever. It really, really starts to hurt on both of my shoulders. So it's been really getting to me because this has happened before. I ended up just waiting it out, waiting it out. But I was doing aesthetic and then it came back. And I was right at the end of aesthetic when that came back.

Starting point is 00:53:42 So I decided just to take it slow and went back to anabolic right now, but it's still ongoing. And as I was telling you, I can't sleep that well anymore right now due to this comfort. Okay, that's a pretty common issue. Before we get into details, I'm gonna ask you a couple other questions.

Starting point is 00:54:00 Before we do that, it is common for people to have shoulder issues, shoulder mobility issues. I do want to know where the shoulder pain is. It's usually either in the front of the shoulder or behind the shoulder. Where do you feel your shoulder pain? Right in the front. Okay, so very common. Okay, so typically that's bicep tendon inflammation.

Starting point is 00:54:25 So the bicep tendon runs over the front of the humerus. That's the top of the arm. And you'll start to get inflammation there, and then you'll start to get pain right on the front of the shoulder. And this is a result of poor function in the shoulder. So more presses will actually cause more problems. Now, what a lot of people do is they stop pressing

Starting point is 00:54:45 and then the pain goes away and they think that's the solution. That doesn't solve the root cause. What you're doing is you're just avoiding movement that bothers you, which is okay to relieve the pain, but it doesn't solve any of the issues at all. So a couple of things we need to do. Number one, let's work on some bicep flexibility,

Starting point is 00:55:05 so static stretches for the bicep, that's still not gonna solve the problem though. When we need to work on is the mid back muscles that pull the shoulder blades back and down, and also work on some basic shoulder mobility movements, you'll find in a program like Maps Prime Pro, like an example would be a shoulder to locate or handcuffs with rotation or even the wall test in Maps Prime. Work on

Starting point is 00:55:34 those things because here's a deal. Extra, especially common exercises like bench presses and rows and overhead presses. You should be able to perform them without pain. So it's almost never the case where somebody's body just isn't made for those exercises. Usually their body just isn't moving right for those exercises. Yo Han, did you listen to the most recent episode that we did on how to improve your bench press?

Starting point is 00:55:58 Yes, yes I did. Okay, yeah, we addressed some good stuff in there. So we talked about some of the suspension trainer W's. I know I talked about inside there. So a lot of those priming movements, I think you're gonna benefit, but back to the bicep thing. I mean, you have to know how to static stretch a bicep first of all,

Starting point is 00:56:14 which I don't know if we've even taught that on the channel, have we? Um, I don't know. Have we taught a bicep stretch? Yeah, no, I don't think so. I mean, it's a good one to add to the list. Yeah, you literally can grab like a bar behind your body, straighten your arm out, and then turn your body until you feel it. Just turn away from it.

Starting point is 00:56:29 Yeah, until you feel your biceps stretch. Actually, in fact, if you did some static stretching on your biceps right before you bench press, I guarantee you probably already feel relief just from doing that. Yeah, my protocol would be, so it's the, all right, a biceps stretch is the opposite of what it would be contracted. So if you contract it, and it looks like I know so it's the, right, biceps stretches the opposite of what it would be contracted, right? So if you contract it and it looks like I don't wear on YouTube, right? So if it looks like this, you open up

Starting point is 00:56:50 and you completely rotate the opposite way. I hope we zoomed in on your bicep, we did that. Damn, this is so impressive. That's no pump, Sal. Let's put it looks like. Right now, any pushups in the bathroom, wow. This is super common though,

Starting point is 00:57:02 is the point. Like this is actually something that I would, it was a limiting factor for me with bench. You'd inevitably get up to that point, you'd start to feel pain either in the front or the back of the shoulder. And so this is where I started to put more emphasis on mobility work and also rotational work

Starting point is 00:57:16 to get my shoulder to track better and to be able to feel more secure and stabilized. And so, to get yourself back into that mentality of trying to really stabilize, protect and build strength around the support around your shoulders, everything. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:57:32 All right. Perfect. So, again, prime before your lifts, work on shoulder mobility, do some static stretches of your body. Do you have primer, prime pro? I only have prime right now. I've been doing some of the static stretches with that, with wall test.

Starting point is 00:57:47 Doug sent him over prime pro, so he's got that too. But yeah, I would take some of the advice that we did in that bench press episode because I believe we address all mobility, stability stuff for the shoulder. The only thing we didn't address bicep stretching. So that needs to be something that becomes like a protocol for you before you start any of your lifting is

Starting point is 00:58:06 Get a good stretch on that bicep and then I would do all the shoulder stability work and then go into it and like Sal said You should feel it should feel better right away just from doing that, but it doesn't end there. You got to keep addressing that Okay, thank you guys so much to appreciate that no problem. Thanks for thanks for calling on. Yeah, I think that here's the big challenge with pain, with people and exercises, two things. Either one, they start to decide that this exercise just isn't for me. I've heard many times people say things like,

Starting point is 00:58:36 avoid it. Yeah, I can't bench or I can't squat or I can't, you know, whatever because of this particular pain. That's a problem because you never solve the issue. And it's a fundamental movement, pressing horizontally across your body is a pretty fundamental movement. And then the second issue is that people will wait

Starting point is 00:58:54 for the pain to go away, either by maybe they are doing some mobility work or by avoiding the exercise pain goes away and they think the problem is solved. It's actually not solved. The pain might have gone away, but you still have the issue and the pain will come back.

Starting point is 00:59:08 Or they treat those mobility drills like an intensified exercise and they like overdo it. And a lot of times, you know, like exaggerating the inflammation of it. And so, you know, there's a bit of a healing process to that as well, but it's, you know, you really have to figure out

Starting point is 00:59:21 like that sweet spot of like a, like it's a continual thing. It's a frequency thing with less intensity. Well, the other mistake they make is they lack the correct intent when they do mobility stuff. One of the challenges I felt that we've always had with creating prime and prime pro as this virtual program and not being there to coach it is getting people to understand the intent. You could do a handcuff with rotation and it could be whatever type of them and not being there to coach it is getting people to understand the until, you could do a handcuff with rotation

Starting point is 00:59:46 and it could be like whatever type of them and not even be hard, you know, just kind of go through the motion. And then you could do it and it will, you'll break a sweat doing five reps doing it because the intent is completely different. So you have to understand when you're trying to gain a greater range of motion,

Starting point is 01:00:03 you have to be challenging those in ranges of motion and connecting those muscles that do that and that there's a lot of intent there. And if you don't understand how to do that and you just watch a video, you just kind of go through the movements. Yeah, and I do want to add to that within reason, right? So just like when you work out,

Starting point is 01:00:18 you're not trying to go to failure and you're not trying to go beyond a particular limit. So obviously, if you're doing a mobility movement and you feel bad pain, there's your edge. Don't go beyond that. That's your threshold. Yeah, don't go beyond that. Play within your particular edges of pain.

Starting point is 01:00:36 So it's, you know, I'm connecting, oh, that's a little too far. Let's back off a little bit. And then slowly work from there. But I tell you what, this front shoulder pain issue from bench pressing. I mean, tell you what, this front shoulder pain issue from bench pressing, I mean, at one point, this was like, I actually loved it when clients would come

Starting point is 01:00:50 and meet with that problem because you knew you had a release it right away. Right away, it was almost like an easy fix, that particular issue. Our next caller is Marie from Texas. Hey Marie, how can we help you? Hi, so I am currently running the PED program and I'm on the last phase, I'm in the second week

Starting point is 01:01:10 and I'm just wondering where I should go from there to reach my goals, my overall goal. Well, I have two goals concerning my nutrition and fitness. My first goal, this is kind of weird, but I wanna get to where I'm eating 3000 calories a day. I know that's weird, but first of all, I love food, second of all, I know it'll also cause me a bad muscle because I'll need the muscle to eat that. But I do, and then, of course, my second goal is to be just like get back into my,

Starting point is 01:01:41 I used to be super fit, and not that I'm not anymore, but I want to get back to the strength-oriented fitness that I use to love. I do have a history of overtraining, so that's why I did PED because even that was a step down from what I was doing. Wow. Wow. That's a pinnacle. Wow. Wow. That's a pinnacle. A program. I have a feeling you're gonna know how we're gonna answer this. You're just not gonna like how we're gonna answer this.

Starting point is 01:02:10 Yeah. I mean, is there more? Yeah. Yeah. I'm still kind of trying to work it down a little, even when I did PED, I was doing way too much. I just, in the past two months, got to where I was doing the three days on one

Starting point is 01:02:26 day off, which I still don't really do a day off. So I'm still trying. I want to say something right now since this is a perfect opportunity to talk about this. When we wrote PED, part of the hesitancy of us writing it was that it would attract someone just like you. We knew that, and that was why I was one of the last programs. We knew that there are examples of people that can utilize that program, that could scale to that volume, and that it makes sense to do that.

Starting point is 01:02:52 But then we also know that there's a large percentage of the population that over-train, and they're going to be drawn to something like this when we know better, and we know that they should be doing something different. And so, the program that comes to mind right away for me knowing that about you is I would push you in the MAPs and a ball of direction. Totally. And so for people who are listening right now, MAPs, PED is a double split high volume, high frequency routine, meaning you work out twice a day and you're hitting each body

Starting point is 01:03:23 part several times a week. So it's a very advanced body builder style program that for some people can be extremely effective, but it could also lead to overtraining more so than any of our other programs. Okay. Now because you tend to over train, that's an issue admittedly. And the fact that you said that PED, and I know how much volume's in that program, because I wrote it with the guys,

Starting point is 01:03:48 the fact that that was a step down from what you were already doing. That's already a lot. So here's what I'm gonna ask you to do, okay? How long have you been listening to the show, Marie? Only since December, I discovered in December and that's when I purchased the program. Okay, now on a scale of 1 to 10

Starting point is 01:04:05 Be honest how much do you like to show and how much you trust us? On a scale of 1 to 10 I like the show at like a Probably a 10 Okay, now listen my dad said don't trust anybody what family and even then be skeptical But I do like that so specifically like you go in and you do the studies because I'm an anthropology major right now. So I love studies. So I trust that for sure. Okay. All right. Well, do you trust this as far as fitness information is concerned? I mean, I'm okay. All right. So you're not going to let me watch your kids,

Starting point is 01:04:40 but you trust me with fitness information. Smart. Okay. so here's what I want you to do, okay? And I'm glad you gave me a little bit of background. Your logical individual sounds like you're intelligent. I can tell by the way you're talking and obviously your education points to the fact that you can be quite objective. Now here's the challenge. Intelligent objective people tend to be the easiest fold by themselves, right?

Starting point is 01:05:08 Because you're smart, because you're objective, you probably can convince yourself of almost anything. In other words, you may have a feeling or an issue, and then you'll convince yourself of the truth of that issue, using your objective, reasoning, your ability to reason. And you'll do this with yourself. So here's what I'm gonna ask you to do. I want you to step outside of yourself for a second.

Starting point is 01:05:28 I want you to trust the science and also trust the experts. Okay, I'm sure it probably annoys the hell out of you when some keyboard warrior argues anthropology with you because you've studied it and this is what you're going to school for and you probably think to yourself, why can't they just trust the experts?

Starting point is 01:05:46 Okay, we're the fitness experts. We've been doing this for a very, very long time. I've trained and worked with a lot of people just like you. Okay, I've trained a lot of people just like you. And then here's the most important part. I am very much like you. Actually, many, many ways just from talking to you, I can very much identify with what you're going through. So here with what you're going

Starting point is 01:06:05 through. So here's what I'm going to ask you to do. I want you to blindly trust the work out programming. I want you to do maps and a ball, and do three foundational workouts a week. So in the program, we give you the option of doing two to three. I think you could probably handle three. And then on your off days, do three trigger sessions a day. Now, the trigger sessions need to be at a low to moderate intensity. And I want you to trust the program, and here's what's gonna help you. I want you to start listing the weight that you're working out with

Starting point is 01:06:35 and look at the trends of strength. If your strength is training in a positive direction, then there's your evidence right there. And that evidence right there, being somebody as logical and as objective as you can be, is should overpower your feelings of, oh my God, I need to do more, right? So, oh, I need to do more. But wait a minute, the data is saying that I'm getting stronger. So I'm moving in the right direction. So I want you to trust it and go for it. It's a three month program. Do you think you could do that? Do you think you could suspend your tendencies

Starting point is 01:07:07 for three months and just go based off the science and the data? Yes, I think that's like, so, it's just a quick background. I was in an inpatient hospital eating disorder depression all that crap. And when I got out, I think I would actually like, if I look in the mirror, whatever I gained weight, whatever little depressing, but not too big. But the biggest thing was when I win the gym and I

Starting point is 01:07:37 couldn't do a push-up, I cried. Like I literally cried in the gym. There was nobody else there, so it's fine. But yeah, So I think that I could do that. My only other issue is because I was so intense with cardio as well. Like I built up to like an hour and I was running 10 miles a day and I don't do that anymore. But I still do like an hour a day and I'm trying to take that down. So I don't know how I would do that. I don't, because I've heard some people say you can just quit the cardio. I've heard some people say tamper off of it while you're reverse dieting. Just switched to walking. Yeah, switched to walking. Yeah, don't get rid of it completely. Just switched to walking. That's it. Now do walk. Okay. So, so, so, here, I mean, this is, this is might be a more complicated conversation, but It feels like you're using alcohol, excuse me, exercise like someone may use alcohol or other substances

Starting point is 01:08:32 And what I mean by that, I know I've been there, okay? It's a exercise feels good. It's distracting It also gives you a very strong sense of control because you're doing something, right? This is something I can control, I can do this when maybe you feel out of control in other areas. So I know what it would mean to take it away completely without replacing it with something else. That would put you probably in a pretty scary situation. So do this, okay? Go ahead and continue to walk. Instead of your hour long cardio, let's take that laser-like focus in that obsession and let's move it to Yin yoga. Let's move it to something like that.

Starting point is 01:09:12 Yeah, move it to Yin yoga, something that's... Okay. Just fucking walk. Actually, don't over-complicate this. I don't do anything. I can't sit for more than. That's okay. But should I completely stop?

Starting point is 01:09:29 No, no, no, no, no, don't change. I'm not even gonna change your schedule. I just walk instead of getting on like a stair master or going hard for that hour, just walk. It's okay. Walking is totally fine. And even though you walk already intentionally, the cardio session, the high intensity stuff

Starting point is 01:09:47 That's what I want you to stop that just needs to be walking so that's walking now or mobility or yoga I we don't we don't need to cut out that out of your routine There's nothing wrong with you just moving, but it's the high intensity thing that is gonna be counterproductive to trying to build your Metabolism like you said you want to do so we're not gonna make you stop that stop moving or stop going to be counterproductive to trying to build your metabolism like you said you want to do. So we're not going to make you stop that, stop moving or stop going to the gym or wherever you are doing your cardio. Just switch it from high intensity to just being more therapeutic, be walking or doing something that's working inward. Marie, how feasible is it for you to hire a coach or a trainer, either online or in person. Is this something that's feasible for you?

Starting point is 01:10:27 Or is that out of the... Transcendental. Yes, so actually before COVID hit, I actually want to start going to powerlifting. That's my goal. My goal is to just be a badass in the gym again. I love when I go in there and people underestimate me and I pick up 50 pound weights and like, what are you doing? You're a little girl.

Starting point is 01:10:46 So I was gonna start meeting with a coach and then COVID hit and everything shut down. Okay. I'm starting to look again. It's hard in this area. I don't know, like there's a lot of coaches I'm skeptical about because I just don't, I'll ask them certain questions

Starting point is 01:11:01 and it doesn't really click. And I'm like, hmm, okay. Like if you're gonna let me eat 1600 calories a day. I'm like, no. All right, Marie, let's do this then. When we get off here, I want you to DM me, remind me who you are, and I'm gonna talk to Jason Phillips

Starting point is 01:11:15 and I'm gonna get a recommendation for a good online coach. He's the owner of NCI certifications. He has a lot of really good coaches working for him. And I'm gonna find, I'm gonna tell him kind of what we talked about. And then he'll recommend a good coach for you. Because I think that's going to be essential for you. I think it's going to be essential that you work with someone on a daily basis.

Starting point is 01:11:33 She's also in the, she's in LCK area. She's in Laura, Laura, Christi King. Okay. Well, DM me. I'm going to see if I can find someone. I think Laura would be great for the nutrition part. And then, but anabolic right now, and then, then I would follow it up with power lift. It'd be a great program to run right after you do anabolic. I love that. Do you have maps? Anabolic? No. I just have to send it right over to you.

Starting point is 01:11:52 Okay. All right. Thanks, Marie. Thanks for calling in. Don't forget to DM me. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Bye bye. Oh, yeah. I about died when she said that B.E. was a step down for what she's doing. And then when you guys were trying to give her stuff to do, she's like, I already do that. I already do that. Oh, man. It's like such a busy body that we're dealing with here. And I'm just like, I mean, that was the first thing that came to mind is like, sometimes you just, you kind of have to like play the game of like,

Starting point is 01:12:19 if you're going to be so busy and doing things, like, why don't you do things that recuperate it? I'm so glad, though though that we got this question because I don't feel like we've had the ability to address what we used to talk about off air before we created PED. This was a major concern of ours. We were worried about that. Why we waited till the last program to write this was because we knew that we'd had lots of clients just like this and knew that they would be attracted to that type of a program knowing Dan Well that's not the

Starting point is 01:12:50 program they should be running and sure shit here's a perfect example of the client that is that is drawn to that program but we know that should be in something completely different. Yeah, I mean the truth is this and this is the honest God truth. A person like this is harder to work with than a person who doesn't work out at all. Oh hell yeah. This is a very challenging situation. And again, I can identify with this the exercise is used like a drug. And so you're dealing with other issues.

Starting point is 01:13:20 Exercise isn't the problem. It's just the method. Yeah, it's an outlet. Yeah, there's a root issue here. And so we could give all the advice in the world, but I don't think it's gonna work unless she works with someone on a regular basis. It's a very tough thing to work through and break through,

Starting point is 01:13:35 especially in the scale down. Because once you start to scale down, oh my gosh, what am I doing? And then, oh my god, I'm losing muscle. I think I'm gaining body fat. Oh my god, I'm just... I don't know, yeah, I just said. Yeah think I'm gaining body fat. Oh my God. I'm just paranoid as you said, Sid. Yeah, I'm sitting with myself on my thoughts, and now I feel this way and whatever.

Starting point is 01:13:49 It's a very challenging situation to get out of, and so I think working with someone, this, I mean, that's what you would benefit from. She has to want to do it though, of course. All right, our next color is Cody from Michigan. What's up, Cody? How can we help you? Hey guys, so happy to be here.

Starting point is 01:14:04 I actually have a pretty specific question I would love to get some help on. When I was like younger, about eight years ago, I was surfing and I hyper extended my shoulder with the board, hit it, causing kind of the muscles to tear that connected my shoulder to my chest. And since then, I haven't really been able to do like a full range of motion on my bench press and Dips and flies tend to give me some issues there. I really thought it was like a bunch of scar tissue until recently when I listened to your Y-worms or a waste of time and maybe found out that it might actually just be tight muscles and was kind of curious your perspective on How to tackle that so I can kind of get the most out of my workouts. Yeah, no

Starting point is 01:14:43 So I'm actually a good question. Oftentimes, injuries lead to long-term dysfunction. And if it doesn't get solved, it leads to long-term pain and issues. So I've had clients who come to me with back pain. And I'll say, OK, well, why does your back hurt? And so why I actually hurt my back. Like, oh, when did you hurt your back?

Starting point is 01:15:04 Oh, 15 years ago or something like that, right? So what happens is the injury causes compensations. Nothing gets corrected, those become your default, right? That becomes your default movement pattern. And then it doesn't get fixed unless you can fix those movement patterns. So what I would do is I would work very intently on shoulder mobility.

Starting point is 01:15:23 I would work on some of the movements, for example, that you find in Maps Prime Pro. I would do those on a regular basis. I would prime my movements. And then something easy you can do is those challenging exercises, the ones that you, when you do them, you feel kind of weird or a little off.

Starting point is 01:15:37 I would actually practice those movements, stay within your limits and slowly increase your range of motion. So when you do your fly, for example, go down to the point where you're like, okay, this feels okay. I know if I go a little further than this, it'll hurt me. Don't go heavy, by the way,

Starting point is 01:15:52 whenever you do an correctional exercise, you're going light, and then slowly increase your range of motion over time. Oftentimes that by itself can help solve some of the issues. I'm trying to picture the injury right now. So I'm assuming like he went down like this, right? He caught himself on the board and then it tore him up here. So yeah, what happened was the wave caught me,

Starting point is 01:16:13 but not the board. And then when I was kind of doing a summer salt and the water, my arm came out and the board caught my arm and hyper-accented it back. I actually dislocated my shoulder too. And when I hit the ground, it popped my shoulder back in the place and then I had a bunch of bruising and pooling in my actual bicep from the injury.

Starting point is 01:16:30 And nasty, no surgery, nothing you did afterwards. No, so it was just physical therapy for months and I couldn't even bench the bar for about six months. Of course, of course. And then so, which this actually brings up like a follow-up question to sell your point is, if I'm doing my actual workouts where I'm trying to do heavier weight and not correctional,

Starting point is 01:16:49 should I just continue to work in my range of motion while doing the other stuff on the side to increase that range? Only if you wanna not improve. So I, yeah, no, don't worry about challenging weight while you're doing correctional for some. Don't forget that there's many ways to, if you haven't listened to the episode where we did nine ways,

Starting point is 01:17:05 I think you called it to progressively overload. Remember, we always tended, like, and we're all guilty of this, me too, right? Like, to go to weight as the way to progressively overload the body to get more results. And it's only one of the many ways that you can continue to overload the body. And if someone like you, I would challenge tempo first,

Starting point is 01:17:23 almost always, and range of motion first. So like, to progress in that area, instead of like you adding weight to the bar, you know, pause at the bottom of the exercise and hold or create like an isometric contraction and slow down the tempo or do unilateral work and like we were talking the other day about alternating dumbbell presses. These are the type of movements that I'm gonna push you in the direction of because we can still build your chest and build your shoulders and build the body without necessarily always increasing the weight.

Starting point is 01:17:56 Yeah, I would look at this more as an opportunity to really address where you're at in terms of the stability and overall function of the joint. And so to really find the thresholds and see exactly where those lie in terms of your range of motion, where's my limitations? And can I go there and can I stay there

Starting point is 01:18:16 and can I increase tension in the muscle and build more support around that? And then inevitably your body will start allowing you more range of motion because it's secure there. That's going to translate back to when you get into weights. You're going to be able to lift more and you're going to be even more functional and without pain. Cody, have you done, did you do Justin's webinar that he did on Prime?

Starting point is 01:18:40 I haven't yet. No, I actually have Prime. I just haven't, be honest. I haven't used it as much as I can. Do the webinar that Justin did. He does the wall circles to me or like the one of the first things that comes to mind. I would try and get really good at those and he takes you through those in that webinar. So go to the free webinar, watch that and get good at that movement. We did those specifically, too, because the intent of it is, and this is some Adam brought up with another question, the intent is everything when it comes to these types of drills, and

Starting point is 01:19:13 really understanding your body and where those limitations lie and how to gradually progress your way through that. So, it's not something that you just, all of a sudden, you just gain access by doing these miracle type of exercises. It's really the intention you bring into the exercise and then it needs to be coached through. So this is one of those things that, you know, we put out to help you through that process.

Starting point is 01:19:32 Yeah, and coding back to the, you know, the using heavy resistance and whatever. Here's the problem with using heavier resistance when you have dysfunction that's causing problems. The second you push heavy weight, the second you push lots of intensity, your body will revert to its to the recruitment pattern that it's most comfortable using. So to give you an example, if I only ever type on a typewriter with my two index fingers, at some point I'm going to get kind of good at it, right? But I'm never gonna be as good

Starting point is 01:20:05 as if I used all my fingers properly, right? So if somebody came to me and I didn't practice typing properly at all, I've only ever done with my index fingers and someone says, type as fast as you can. I'm gonna go with what I know. And the truth is, that is the fastest way I can type. But if I wanna go even faster, I have to back off

Starting point is 01:20:24 and practice intently and slowly with a lot of awareness with the method and technique that will allow me to eventually surpass my previous best. So if you add weight and you go heavy, you're not going to correct anything. Your body's going to go to what it does best, which is this kind of default, you know, pattern, and you'll never get any better. So you got to back off. But that doesn't mean you can't progressively overload. You can still overload the body with things like tempo and isometrics and slowing the rep down, challenging the in range of motion.

Starting point is 01:20:56 So there's great ways for you still to build your chest and see progression. We just always, all of us are guilty of this. We just tend to default to like, oh, more weight, more weight. But I mean, Sal's point in a situation like this, you will always go back to your default pattern if you try to increase weight. It's just natural. So and you got to fight that urge.

Starting point is 01:21:17 And I've been doing that. I've, I've, I've just been messing with a shorter range of motion to get stronger in that specific, like half range. Yeah. You're actually making your dysfunction stronger. So the stronger you get with a dysfunction, the harder it will be to correct because it's now a stronger, more solidified dysfunction. So good job. Well, I mean, well, then looking at like maps and a ballac, right, which is what I'm currently

Starting point is 01:21:42 following. And I then intended to do the flat bench press, but working more in the mobility during that? Correct. That cycle versus like the weight. Correct. Remember, remember we wrote these programs for the average person, but you have to listen to your body and you have to individualize it. If I were training you, that's how I would train you.

Starting point is 01:21:59 I would not train you by pushing weight on those movements. No way. That'd be the wrong thing to do. So it's fine with the dead lifts and the squats and the movements that are okay for you. When you get to those other exercises, you're focused on range of motion, you're focused on technique and mobility and function. You're not focused on adding more weight.

Starting point is 01:22:18 And trust me, if you do this right, at some point, you'll go back to being able to push the weight and then you'll surpass whatever you're doing now by far. Well, this is a perfect example again too of like, you know, to your point. So we created these programs with the intent that clients would learn from the stuff we talk about on the show, how to change and kind of modify it. Yeah, because Anabolic is a perfect like a format or base to be following. I think it's a great program.

Starting point is 01:22:43 But like if you were an actual client of mine and we're on Anabolic and today is, you know, Inclined Barbell Press, you know, I might take you to alternating, you know, dumbbell presses in Inclined instead of that. And I'm going to put emphasis on the depth and range of motion, the control. We might add in an isometric pause in it. Like, I'm going to challenge your issue and try and get you better at that, opposed to just loading the barbell. But then the rest of the program, I'm following it right to protocol.

Starting point is 01:23:14 So, the idea of what we created these is like, okay, here's a solid base for 99% of the population. But then you have these exceptions to the rule like Cody, who, okay, we need to just modify this one thing for him And this will better you so you can follow adabolic, but then just adjust little things like that It's perfect time for the call. I just finished my first cycle through. I'll restart with your guys' tips and mind Thank you. Actually no problem. Yeah, you know the the audience doesn't know the the the challenges that we actually have had as trainers creating programs to sell online to the potential masses.

Starting point is 01:23:53 This was actually a big issue for us because I love writing programs, but you know, you got to remember I was a personal trainer for a long time. Justin and Adam were both also personal trainers for a long time. And when we wrote programs, this is what good trainers do. I don't write a program until I assess someone until I watch them move, and the program changes with each workout, depending on all of those things. It's extremely individualized.

Starting point is 01:24:17 Oh yeah, not only that, how many times did you guys call an audible halfway through a workout? Right. I might have assessed you. I might have seen you a handful of times, wrote your exercises for the day, thinking that I built something perfect for you. Start to see something,

Starting point is 01:24:32 and then see something that I didn't see before and go, oh, wow, Audible, instead of this exercise, and I'm gonna do this and say it, or maybe Cody, I'm training him for a while, he's never mentioned this to me. And so we get into bench, and I'm wondering why he's off.

Starting point is 01:24:45 And then he tells me that I'm like, oh shit, well, I'm gonna address that now. And so that is a perfect example. Yeah, we had to just think of like foundational, fundamental ways to train the body that translates to almost everybody. And then from there, it's like, okay, so you have at least a benchmark,

Starting point is 01:25:02 a standard of what you're trying to pursue. But there's room in there to be flexible to adjust and modify things, to individualize. Individualizing it is everything. And that's just something that comes with practice. It comes with experience and knowing what to do when situations like this occur and like how to adjust then.

Starting point is 01:25:23 So we can bring you back to sort of, you know, that framework. Yeah, well the truth is, we wouldn't be selling online workout programs if we didn't have a podcast that people could learn from. If we didn't have YouTube channels with more instruction, if we didn't have a backend. Almost 2,000 episodes, like we've tried to be able

Starting point is 01:25:41 to explain all these concepts that you can then apply within that framework. So it's a lot more complicated, unfortunately, than people think. episodes like we've tried to be able to explain all these concepts that you can then apply within that framework. So it's a lot more complicated, unfortunately, than people think. Our next caller is Jenna from Iowa. Hey Jenna, how can we help you? Uh, yes. First of all, I'm a big fan. I'm a personal trainer here at the University of Iowa. I've got a lot of clients. And so I take all of your guys' advice. of clients and so I take all of your guys' advice. My question is very personal though. I am a 38-year-old mother of two and I love competing in strong man and powerlifting competitions. I competed in my first strong man competition this year and about two months ago my husband and I started a plant-based diet.

Starting point is 01:26:27 So I don't call it vegan because it's actually more restrictive than vegan. We basically eat plant-based. We try to stay away from processed foods, which is pretty similar to what you guys recommend on your podcast. And we've really been enjoying it. It's been saving our family money and my digestion and sleep have improved. My energy levels are amazing and is cleared up my skin, which is pretty awesome.

Starting point is 01:26:53 But there's been one downside to eating plant based as opposed to when I was eating meat and dairy and all the fun stuff. And that's my power lifting, weights and my strong man lifting weights have all decreased about 5 to 15 pounds, which for me is the competitor and someone who really enjoys getting strong has been super frustrating. So I didn't know if you guys had advice on while the other things in my life are improving, but my strength is not.

Starting point is 01:27:28 So any advice you can give would be very helpful. I want to ask a couple of questions before Sal jumps in and talks for 15 minutes. Do you currently supplement with creatine by chance? So I supplement with creatine about 5 milligrams, I think, per day. And I also try to take a protein powder and eat a lot of beans, but I know you guys have talked about being vegan in the past. It's, it's very hard to eat that many beans. And they're pretty bland, to be honest.

Starting point is 01:28:02 So, um, yeah, I try to watch my protein. That was my next question was, do you track your protein intake consistently? Because that would, if you're already supplementing creatine, that would be the first thing. The second thing I would ask is, how consistent are you with hitting 100 grams plus of protein every day? So, I'm not consistent hitting that high. And, you know, I've read a lot on vegan plant-based diets. They actually recommend a lot less protein per body weight.

Starting point is 01:28:31 So, I've been anywhere from, I would say, more 50 to 60 grams of protein per day. And that's been pretty hard to achieve. Yeah, that's too low. That's why you're feeling it. Yeah, if you're, if you. If everything was controlled, right? So if your calories were the same as before, your proteins, fats, and carbs were the same as before, Adam mentioned creatine, creatine, it benefits vegans quite a bit because they don't get any from their plant-based sources.

Starting point is 01:29:01 So if you're doing that, you're not having any nutrient deficiencies and everything else is controlled. And then you come and say, hey, I'm weaker, then we're going to have to look a little deeper. But I would probably do the fact that your calories and or your protein or other macronutrients aren't matching what they were before. Now, here's what I would do. I would try to get, and I know what they recommend with the plant-based, you know, the plant-based advices to eat less protein. And here's why they say that.

Starting point is 01:29:30 The reason why they say that is because it's hard to get protein from plant-based sources. There really is no evidence or value-eating of eating low protein, except for maybe in some exceptions. There may be some exceptions to that particular rule, but otherwise a high protein diet, not only is it safe, it's healthy, and for performance, it's superior. So a couple of things you could do, either try to get more protein from your food, but if that's difficult, which it sounds like it is, I would supplement with plant-based protein

Starting point is 01:30:00 powders to make up for it. And then here's the other thing I want you to keep in mind. I'm glad you said that your digestion and sleep and skin are better because that is showing that there may be some benefits. Sometimes the benefits are not because you're not eating meat, but rather because you're not eating processed foods or other foods that are incorporating

Starting point is 01:30:20 a lot more vegetables than you're used to eating in your diet, which has a great effect in terms of being anti-inflammatory. So, there's some benefits that you're realizing from that, but also, too, was it a conscious decision to stop eating meat? What was that decision process going into this? My husband read a book called How Not to Die, which was a really popular book published a couple years ago, showing the links between a plant-based diet and increased lifespan.

Starting point is 01:30:50 And I think we did it for our kids, but I got really discouraged because it seemed like it was almost impossible to be a strong man, athlete, or successful powerlifter and be vegan. And so it's just been harder path than I realized. And this is the problem I have with any diet. This is, if you guys aren't doing it for any other reason than that, first of all, it's not hard to write a book, cherry pick studies, and make something sound like it's better

Starting point is 01:31:20 than something else. And if you guys are not opposed to adding some fish or chicken or turkey into the diet every once in a while to increase your protein intake, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I just recently switched over to eating, I should say a carnivore-esque diet. And the reason why I said,

Starting point is 01:31:39 ask and I quickly announced it and talked about on the podcast that I'm not following somebody's protocol in a book that I have to do these certain things. My idea is I'm using it like an elimination diet. I'm getting rid of a lot of the other stuff and then I'm just going to slowly add stuff into back into my diet and pay attention to how I feel. Like Sal and Justin both alluded to, you obviously have seen positive benefits for you to switch over that. Now, it doesn't mean that it was, you know, meat was causing all those issues before. It just probably means that you're getting either lots

Starting point is 01:32:12 of benefits from eating all the vegetables that you were eating or you've eliminated a single thing or two that was the offender. And if you're okay and open to it, I would start to reintroduce one source of protein that maybe comes from meat into your diet and just see how you feel. Like maybe just start with fish, you know,

Starting point is 01:32:30 because that's gonna be probably one of the easiest ones or chicken and see how you guys feel. If it helps boost your protein intake, you see strength go up and you don't see any side effects from it, I would include that and still run your, you know, predominantly plant-based diet, but then you have these little bits of protein that you're using for that would be what I would do. Janet, pay attention to libido.

Starting point is 01:32:54 Pay attention to... You said your strength is going down, so look at libido. That's an important thing. Look at your menstrual cycle or any other symptoms of hormone changes. And this is for your husband as well, okay? Because if you start to see those change in ways that don't seem healthy, then what you're doing isn't entirely healthy.

Starting point is 01:33:15 I mean, I would, I mean, I'm actually gonna give you different advice than Adam. I'd say throw in some grass-fed beef or some eggs, get some cholesterol, get some of those saturated fats in there. They actually have benefits when it comes to strength and muscle. Getting strong is not unhealthy. Getting strong is healthy. Of course, you can do unhealthy ways, lots of anabolic steroids, lots of body fat on

Starting point is 01:33:36 your body to improve increased leverage and that kind of stuff. If you're otherwise healthy, lean, you're natural, you're not using drugs or whatever, and you're getting strong, or if you get weaker, getting weaker is usually not a sign of overall better health, right? So, in fact, I'll tell you this much right now, okay? I know you guys read that book. One of the greatest predictors of all caused mortality is weakness. It's actually better.

Starting point is 01:34:02 It's actually better. It's better than whether or not someone's plant-based diet or not. Also consider this. When they do those studies or write these books, they're comparing a whole natural food plant-based diet to the typical American diet that includes meat. So, you know, oh, these people eat meat and they're unhealthy. Well, it's not necessarily the meat. It's the buns that come with the burgers and rice and everything else. And all these excess calories. So, and I'll tell you what, if you control

Starting point is 01:34:29 your macros and calories, I would challenge you to include some meat with in control calories and macros and make sure it's whole and natural. And I would bet that you probably would feel better. You probably, now not everybody, there's gonna be exceptions to this rule, but I would bet you're better. So the fact that your losing strength tells me

Starting point is 01:34:50 that there's something that's lacking, we're guessing that it's protein. I mean, it's almost all obvious it's protein. I mean, if you went for, if she's barely hitting 50 or 60, I mean, this is a class example of one of the easiest things that I would help clients. It was very common for me to get a female client that was under-consuming protein on a regular

Starting point is 01:35:09 basis and just simply getting her protein up to 90 plus a day, instantly she would feel the response in the gym. Try this. Have some grass-fed beef once, right? Give yourself a serving of grass-fed beef and then see how you feel the day after. And if you feel better the day after, there's a good sign that's probably something that you need. And usually that's what happens. Somebody will throw in, I've had clients like you and I'll have them eat. Okay, let's see, you know, a grass-fed patty or steak tonight. And then let's see how you feel tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:35:43 And it's like, oh my god, I feel stronger already. stronger already and I'm like okay this is something that we might need to include into your diet. Yeah something I should also add is I'm breast feeding so I'm nursing a nine-month-old and so I kind of feel sometimes too that he takes blood out of me so I wonder if the whole nursing while powerlifting training and everything is also contributing to the energy levels. Yeah, actually that's a great, that's a good point. So you notice the strength. But also why you would need more protein.

Starting point is 01:36:11 Yeah, and calories, yes. Yeah, you notice the strength losses when you started breastfeeding or will you already breastfeeding when you went plant-based? I was already breastfeeding when I went plant-based, but as soon as I went plant-based, the strength went down. Okay, so it's probably due to plant-based, the strength went down. Okay, so it's probably due to the diet then, I would say it's probably not due to the breastfeeding.

Starting point is 01:36:30 And by the way, if there's a nutrient that you're lacking because you've eliminated one of the most nutrient-dense foods on the planet, which is, and this is a fact, okay, if you could only pick one food and survive, now this is not ideal, but if you only had to pick one food and survive off of it would be meat. It wouldn't, there's no single plant that can do that. Because meat is very nutrient dense. So if you're lacking in nutrient, even before you get to nutrient deficiency

Starting point is 01:36:57 where there's like, you know, like big outward signs, if you're lacking in nutrient and it's not optimal, it could be, you know, something that you pass on even through your breast milk. So pay attention to that. I would throw in a little bit of meat, test it out, don't throw five different types of meat

Starting point is 01:37:12 at yourself at once. I would leave dairy last because dairy tends to be the one that people have the highest intolerance to. So throw in something, you know, you could be anything. I would personally, I would choose either eggs or grass-fed beef. See how you feel if you feel great from it. Awesome. And then start including those types of things and make sure you hit those protein requirements or those protein numbers that tend to be

Starting point is 01:37:34 optimal for strength. Awesome. Thanks, you guys. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of the show. Listen to you guys all the time. And thanks to Adam, I'm here in Iowa outside walking my dog barefoot. Yeah, that's my girl. That's my girl. Awesome. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. This is why I fucking hate the diet book fucking world.

Starting point is 01:37:58 And they do such a good job. It's so convincing. It is. I mean, read, you know, Paul's carnivore book, read Rob's Paleo, but I mean, you can cherry pick studies to put them all together to make the case that this way of eating is the most ideal, but the reality is there's such an individual variance to every single person. And if you're not doing it for moral reasons, right, which I know you asked, one of you asked, I was trying to ask that right away.

Starting point is 01:38:23 And she said no, they did it because of this book. For health. Yeah, for health. And then you know to strength go down, well, it's not a big indicator of health. Yes. And how you're strength. I mean, we didn't ask her wait.

Starting point is 01:38:34 I'm assuming she weighs more than a hundred pounds. And so her eating 50 grams or less of protein, right? I mean, right away, I guarantee you, she bumps that to 90 grams plus. Oh, she'll feel that. She'll feel that. She'll feel it in the gym right now. Yeah, and that's the problem is people switch to a diet and they don't control all the factors

Starting point is 01:38:51 and they're like, oh my gosh, I feel better. And it's like you're eating less. You were already before or you're not eating processed food. That's probably what the issue was, but you get a tease all that out. Yeah, and you got to be careful. I mean nutrient deficiencies are way higher in vegans than they are in people who eat in omnivore diet.

Starting point is 01:39:11 By the way, I'm comparing healthy to healthy. So I'm not comparing standard American crappy diet to plant-based, healthy to healthy, more variety versus less variety. You're gonna have more nutrient deficiencies. It's a fact, it's proven, this is not even a debate. So, and I've worked with so many, I've had so many female clients like this.

Starting point is 01:39:29 I don't know why I feel this way. I eat plant-based. We'll throw in a little red meat, their hair stops falling out, or their menstrual cycle comes back and it's like, okay, you were not healthy. Yeah, and it's not to say there's not outliers who benefit from that, but also too.

Starting point is 01:39:42 Like it's so difficult to get all those nutrients just with that specific diet itself. Yeah, no, you could not go plant-based. If it weren't for modern supermarkets. That's it. You would die. There's no such thing as plant-based hunter-gatherer. I love though that she's so consistent.

Starting point is 01:39:58 She's a consistent, she's a trainer. So she knows what she's doing. So she could see this, right? If you're somebody who does something is off. Right, if you don't train consistently, you miss this, you miss the signal that, hey, maybe this isn't perfect for me. Because then they see all these other benefits.

Starting point is 01:40:13 Yeah. The skin's clear enough. Right. You know, but then there's some good rise. Yeah. And that's why too, I wouldn't completely abandon the diet. I wouldn't say, oh, stop. That could still be the main thing,

Starting point is 01:40:25 but then just throw me in. Can it be temporary? You go through this and then you come back to it. Or just slowly introduce, like, you know, we are all, I mean, I don't care what you pick. Well, I mean, pick gags, pick grass fed beef, pick fish, pick one and introduce it. Just to increase the protein intake and whatever nutrients

Starting point is 01:40:42 that you could get from that, that you might not have been getting from plants, see how you feel, and then either, okay, just make that the one meat that you introduce and keep in there, or start to slowly introduce the other ones and see how you feel, too. Our next caller is Andrew from Texas. What's up, Andrew? How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:40:58 Hey guys, thanks for having me on. I am brand new to weightlifting. I think my girlfriend, not so subtly introduced me to y'all two months ago. And so in the first month, I spent my time just working on owning the movement as you talk about stability and flexibility so I could do compound lifts. And then about a month ago, I started a maths aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:41:21 I'm absolutely loving it. But one thing I've noticed is I've gone from about six to seven hours of sleep the night to about eight to nine hours. And I'm also now taking like a 20 minute nap, at least once a day. And one to know if this is probably just an adjustment period because my body's taken on, you know, there's extra stress in working out.

Starting point is 01:41:41 Or if you guys see this long term, is this what happens with weightlifter? Yeah, so I have two questions for you. First of all, sleeping eight to nine, eight hours a night is, is, is, usually better than six to seven for most people, but you're also taking an app. So I need to ask you two other two questions. Number one, are you doing this because you, you're tired? Are you finding that you're more fatigued?

Starting point is 01:42:02 And then number two, are you noticing consistent strength gains in maps aesthetic? Oh, yeah. So to answer the second question first, absolutely. I'm putting on, you know, I'm adding more weight to my lifts. It seems like every time I go out, there's newbie gains you talk about have been great. It's really just, I feel like my body's been exhausted.

Starting point is 01:42:24 And so, I mean, I'm going, I feel like I lay down and I fall asleep like that. It's great. It's just something I'm not used to. Like I said, I went from pretty much not working out at all to, to now doing maps aesthetic and I'm like eight weeks into, I guess, weightlifting now. And so, I feel like it's just my body adjusting to the extra stress and movement. What's your caffeine and take looks like? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 01:42:47 I pretty much just take pre-workout right before my lift and that's it. Okay, now, now before when you were sleeping six to seven hours a night, did you feel like you needed more or did you feel like you were fine? I think I needed more. I just think I literally wasn't sleeping as much before probably because I had more of a

Starting point is 01:43:05 sedentary lifestyle. Okay. And now that I'm reading you guys this nutrition guide and I'm going, I'm listening to your podcast a lot more, I'm starting to take walks in every hour at work and stuff like that. So I just feel like I'm moving more. And I'm also now in a calorie deficit if that contributes to that. Well, I was contributing. Yeah, and so could the pre-workout?

Starting point is 01:43:25 Yeah, well, so here's the thing. If you weren't getting stronger, I would say it's probably too much to have you back off. But there's a couple things you said that makes me think that your body needs the rest, and it's good for you. One is you're getting stronger, right? So if you're getting stronger, you're usually not over-training. In fact, I'd say you're probably not over-training.

Starting point is 01:43:44 If you're noticing that you're consistent, especially the way you put fact, I'd say you're probably not overtraining if you're noticing that you're consistent, especially the way you put it, where every time you work out, you seem to be lifting more weight. So that's a good thing. And then the other thing is that you said before, you slept last, but you felt like you needed more, you just couldn't get better sleep.

Starting point is 01:43:59 Studies show that when people work out, especially when they do resistance training, they get better, deeper, types of sleep. So the sleep is more recoupative and the body just seems to, you know, be able to sleep better. So this doesn't sound like a bad thing. Now, if you're strength, stalls, or you notice your weaker, or you notice that you sleep

Starting point is 01:44:18 eight hours, you take a little nap and you're still super exhausted, I would say, bring the scale, the volume down by about a third to see. And you know, that might even still be the case. Maps aesthetic is still a lot of volume for a first time workout. I mean, I would have had you start with maps and a ballic and then maybe eventually move you to Maps aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:44:37 But the fact that you're getting stronger every single time, I think this is probably okay. I would also investigate more of the caffeine intake. So if you said he's new to lifting, so I'm assuming you weren't taking a pre-workout six months ago. So, okay. And now, were you a coffee drinker before at all?

Starting point is 01:44:54 Nope. Okay, so you take a guy who's never had caffeine, probably on 200 plus milligrams of caffeine. That's a lot of caffeine in the drinks. And a lot of times when you, especially that much caffeine and somebody who's not used to always taking it, you could have this, you know, tons of energy from it

Starting point is 01:45:11 and then a hard crash come from it afterwards. So I would actually recommend like either one, theanine, which you are a big advocate of taking that with his pre-workout. So a theanine to kind of keep him more even kill and or maybe even replacing the pre-workout with So a theanine to kind of keep him more even kill and or maybe even replacing the pre-workout with something more like red juice or something out or quarter saps or something along those lines. Yeah, you could try, you could definitely mess with those

Starting point is 01:45:34 two things, but I mean the fact that you're getting stronger is consistently as you are. That's a good sign. That's the best sign. I can't think of a more objective positive sign that it's working. I actually went through, like, I go through spells of this too and I forget that I'm in a deficit and I'm actually lowering my calorie intake and wondering why, you know, towards the end of the night, like I'm getting really tired and after my workouts especially and that was definitely one of those things that a factor in that whole equation that, you know, something that has repeated itself from showed itself for me. But definitely, the caffeine thing is a real thing, especially if you're not used to it. Like, there is an inevitable crash, especially with those types of caffeine products. I would also, so what,

Starting point is 01:46:17 can we get your weight, how much do you weigh right now, and then what the calorie intake looks like? How much do you weigh right now and then what the calorie intake looks like? Yeah, so I'm 5'11, I weigh 200 pounds and I'm getting like 1,800 to 1,900 calories. Okay. And that's a cut from what you were at before. Okay. You're probably okay. If you're on a cut and you're getting stronger though, that's a really good.

Starting point is 01:46:46 The strength part is what tells me you're doing. Okay. If you're, if you're just got the newbie game. Yeah, just for that. Yeah, but you're not even, you're not gonna, this might not always be the case. But you can take a newbie and you could over train them. They're not gonna get stronger. They're gonna be sore. They're gonna feel terrible. So the fact that you're getting strong now, if you stop getting stronger or you start going backwards, I would scale the volume down because it might be too much or bump the calories. Okay. Hey, thanks guys. I appreciate all that you do. No problem.

Starting point is 01:47:07 Thank you. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm a little torn, right? Maps aesthetic is a great workout program, but it's probably not the one that I would start with. Right. It's like all you right out of the shoes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:19 I would go Maps and a Balak. Maps and a Balak is a great way to start. I mean, Maps and a Balak is a great program period. You can go back to it even if you're advanced and get great gains. You just buy us because you're on it. No, I mean, I'm gonna cover. No, I agree. We all agree. It should be addressed, right? Because obviously, we always have new audience. The way that programs, we originally wrote MAPS etabolic performance and aesthetic to be followed in that order. So even though there's exceptions to the role, and yes, some people can start their places,

Starting point is 01:47:49 the thought process when we thought about the amount of volume that is in each one of those programs and the things that we are addressing with each one of those programs, the ideal thing for most people is to go anabolic performance and then aesthetic. You know, a couple of things we didn't get the chance to say. So hopefully Andrew listens to this. I would also have like three days in a row where I give myself a calorie surplus just to see what happens.

Starting point is 01:48:15 He might be 1800 calories is pretty low for a 200 pound young man that's lifting five to six days a week. I would, I'd rather see him somewhere on a cut, like 22 to 2300 maybe. You know, and again, these are generic numbers. I don't know where his metabolism is currently at. So I'm just throwing stuff out there, but that's a pretty low calorie intake

Starting point is 01:48:38 and that could be a big part of it. And then again, the caffeine. He wasn't taking caffeine in and at all. And also you take two, three and a half million. And if you started his workouts, he's never worked out't taking caffeine in and at all, and also you take two, three, and a million. That's why I'm wondering if you started his workouts, he's never worked out before, and then added the pre workout, like doesn't really drink caffeine,

Starting point is 01:48:51 like both of those, right? The shoots, it's like, it would've been interesting to see if you just worked out without any kind of like stimulant. Yeah, I would like the red juice. That's why I would push him in the direction of trying that out and seeing how he feels with that, or messing

Starting point is 01:49:05 with theanine or quarter-seps in there, I just think that maybe that, I'm thinking of the nap, right? Because the sleeping at night, that's great. If you're getting eight, eight, nine hours of sleep, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think it's probably really good for him. His body's wanting to recover, his strength is going up, like you're saying. The only thing that I would try and figure out or get to the bottom of is the midday nap.

Starting point is 01:49:25 And the midday nap could be just we're so low of calories or I've all said and went from never taking caffeine to taking 300 milligrams of caffeine and it's the crash that he's feeling. If he probably trains it early in the morning, it sounds like so earlier in the day, takes this huge spike by noon or one is feeling tired.

Starting point is 01:49:42 Yeah, but I mean, here's a deal. Going leapfrogging a program, doesn't get you there any faster, too. That's something that I think is important to explain. So if maps and a Pollock is appropriate for you and the progression is anabolic to performance to aesthetic, jumping to aesthetic doesn't mean you get there faster. It actually means you get there slower because you started with a program that wasn't the perfect dose or the right dose.

Starting point is 01:50:05 You know, this is something that's Katrina, right? So I mean, you guys know, obviously, off arrow about her situation and just getting back from surgery and stuff like that. And she had to reset and I made her start with starter. And she's never ran starter before. And it was such a mind-fuck for her. And I kept telling her, and I'm asking her, as she's going, she's now in the third week of starter right now. I go, what are you seeing?

Starting point is 01:50:28 Are you still getting sore? She goes, yeah, I know the workouts that, when I'm doing them, I feel like they're too easy and too basic, but I do get sore from it. I said, then why? Why would we go to Annabalak yet when you're still seeing these results? And she's so antsy to get there.

Starting point is 01:50:40 I'm like, you're seeing progression right now. Totally. There's no reason to do that. Absolutely. Look, if you like our information, you have to head over to MindPumpFree.com. That's where we have all of our free guides. And they're very, very valuable and they cost nothing. And there's a ton of them there. MindPumpFree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram.

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