Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1559: Best Ways to Flatten the Belly, Hardgainer Muscle Building Tips, How to Use Focus Sessions for Targeted Muscle Growth & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, alright? In today's episode, we answered live questions. People actually called in, asked us fitness questions, and we helped them out.

Starting point is 00:00:26 By the way, a little people, if you want to appear in one of our podcast live, send an email to live at mindpumpmedia.com with your fitness question, of course, your name and your email so that we can maybe pick you to be on our show. Alright, so the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. Today's intro was over 42 minutes long. This is where we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies. We talk about our sponsors.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Here's what went down in today's podcast. We open up, I talk about the best sweatpants in the world. The best. Around. They're amazing athletes are aware from a company called Viori. It looks good. It feels good. And it has a lifetime guarantee,

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Can we wait to see how well that can go over? It's going to go over really well. We'll see about that. Then we talk about a show on HBO called Generation Hustle. That's a lot of fun. It's a great show to watch. Very interesting. It gives you ideas.

Starting point is 00:01:38 Then we had an HBO versus Netflix debate and discussion. That was cool. Then I talked about the stupid study that was done on AI, came out with the result that we all would expect. Then we talked about words that sound really good and look really good. That was basically me being a nerd and everybody making fun of me.

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Starting point is 00:03:02 so this is a weak body part, she wants to focus on. So we give our advice. And we talk to Frank from Washington. This person is, again, following one of our programs. But, you know, might be overtraining a little bit. Actually, I have some questions about that once I'm advised. Then the final question was from Anthony from California. He's a powerlifter who now is going to become a sheriff once to know how he should change his training

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Starting point is 00:03:58 These are the keep it 100. I'm gonna tell you what, I still haven't found any pair of pants more comfortable than the joggers, the Sunday joggers. Yeah. Those aren't the Sunday joggers. These aren't, but these are also extremely comfortable. Yeah, I wear them on the weekends. The Sunday joggers are like, I have like 15 pairs.

Starting point is 00:04:12 Bro, it's like, it was just feel like, it feels like you're being hugged or something. I don't know. It's just so wonderful. The joggers are really massaging my thighs. Yeah, they make incredible quality. I went to, where do we go? We went to Valley Fair.

Starting point is 00:04:25 No, not Valley Fair, sorry, St. Tenerron. They have a Lulu lemon there, right? And so we walked through it or whatever and I see that they have guy stuff. And I'm like feeling the material. You guys are cool. It's too tight. Come on now.

Starting point is 00:04:36 I just never been through. You know, Fiori has their store there now. It's not open yet. Yes, they're building it. Oh, there it is. Is it on the row or is it in the mall? It's on the row. Oh, it's on the row.

Starting point is 00:04:44 They're gonna crush. You're gonna have to make an appearance. They're gonna crush. Do you know, by chance, building it. Oh, there it is. Is it on the row or is it in the mall? It's on the row. Oh, it's on the row. They're gonna crush. You're gonna have to make an appearance. They're gonna crush. Do you know, by chance, does it, do you know launch date? Do you have any idea? I don't know, I can look it up. Yeah, could you Google Magic that for us please? Google Magic.

Starting point is 00:04:56 Those Google fingers. You done them to work. You used Duck Duck Go for Google. I'm curious. I wanna talk to you. It's been, when did we have Joe on here? We had him on here. It's been a long time. Over a year? Not over a year. I feel like it. Yeah, over a year. It feels like It's been how, when do we have Joe on here? We had him on here. It's been a long time.

Starting point is 00:05:05 Over a year? Not over a year. I feel like it. Yeah, it has. It feels like it's been over a year. Well, you didn't come at all in 2020. Yeah. Because remember the last time he came,

Starting point is 00:05:13 he showed all the, he shared the analytics and like the scaling of the company. I'm so curious. They're crushing. Yeah. If you read articles on Athleticiaware, Viori's always named now like the big up and coming or whatever.

Starting point is 00:05:24 It just takes that first order, I mean people. It's like it's a quality thing. You can totally feel the difference of it. Yeah, it makes a huge difference. I like their stuff. Yeah, but Santana was getting kind of, it's getting busy now. Have you guys gone in a while?

Starting point is 00:05:35 You guys are over the hill. So you don't go there anymore. No, I avoid this place. Ever it lives there. So we go down there, everyone's smaller, visit. Oh yeah, I ran into him. Oh, you did? Yeah, I ran into him once. Oh, I didn't know that down there. Yeah, yeah, we were hanging out and he comes over. It's one of there once more. Oh, yeah, I ran into him. Oh, you did yeah, I ran to him once

Starting point is 00:05:45 Oh, I don't know that down there. Yeah, yeah, we were hanging out and it comes over It's one of the nicest guys. What a nice dude. I love that right there. I tell you what though He's like Peter Pan syndrome for sure. Oh, okay, you don't want 40 years old living living Santana right? I still I tell you what will envy us sometimes exactly It is attractive. He's handsome, he's fit. When you're married and you have, you're married and you have a baby, especially, and then all the stuff that happens,

Starting point is 00:06:12 everyone's so happy to think, Oh, man. Yeah. I got it. Don't you think every guy, though, needs, or every married dad needs that friend, so you can live vicariously through him a little bit, so you don't like one.

Starting point is 00:06:24 A little bit. Yeah don't like one. A little bit. Yeah, I feel like you need to. Because then you also get to see the drama and the bullshit. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's always the grand prize day very boring for him. You know, Christmas, the day, the time you don't go talk to that guy is when you get in a fight with your wife.

Starting point is 00:06:36 That's the worst, right? You get an argument and then you go see your friend and you're like, damn. Yeah, this guy's living the life. Yeah, that's the last time you fought with someone like a girl. Oh, I just told I wouldn't see her again. Oh my god, I just got her an Uber. What's that like? You did. That's amazing.

Starting point is 00:06:49 No, I'm just kidding. But it's a, it's definitely easy to sell, but you don't want to buy it. It's kind of sad. Doug, we got any officers, firefighters. I know I've been getting them like crazy. I sent them over to Jerry. What do we got going on? We actually do.

Starting point is 00:07:04 We got officers of the Calgary Police Service in Canada. Yeah! Shout out to them. Some connect. Hala! Thank you for what you do. You know, I'm really hoping with all these shout outs that the next time I get pulled over, I'm gonna go down. Can we get out of some tickets?

Starting point is 00:07:19 Seagrally, that was my idea, right? Ah, hopefully they love us so much. Get pulled over and I'll pull my mask down. Hey, or like play play mine pump all my tools Me alright. Oh, sorry. Do you want me to turn down the mine pump podcast? Can I just give you a program? Sorry, hey man, I love your show anyway. Here's your ticket. Yeah You got too much integrity. That's a good thing Not when I'm getting a ticket. I mean, that's a no.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Dude, are you guys here? Did you guys read the report? Not report, the article on what airlines are toying with? It popped in my feet, but I haven't had chance to read it, so please. No, they're weighing. They're weighing. This idea is gonna float like a frickin' rock in the ocean.

Starting point is 00:08:01 I like it. I think, I haven't read it, so. Okay, so, ooh, I'm excited about this, they're toying with the idea of weighing passengers. Because, okay, so it's a point. Oh my God, this is not gonna backfire at all. No, because the, obviously they, they, they, no, how many people go on the plane based off of average weight. Obviously the weight of your luggage,

Starting point is 00:08:20 we all know they make a big deal about that, right? Because it's safety, it's gas, it's, how they profit, right? If there's more weight in the plane, they make less money because it takes more fuel to whatever. So they're going to weigh people. And I think what they're doing first is to kind of get a general idea of how much their passengers weigh. And then I think they may raise either raise the price of all tickets or discount for being light. I don't think you know what that would never that would never go off. I'm going on a cut now Yeah, it doesn't work because Where it's really not fair is the the 250 pound lean guy or girl, you know, I'm saying like that sucks

Starting point is 00:08:58 I don't give look at here's a deal and then if you go base off way then you could technically be someone who's like You could be obese at one fifth look here's a deal imagine if you were in I don't know you're in Vietnam and you're gonna go pay a Rickshaw Dude you know those things that the guy yeah, he runs with and he looks at you guys what's called a Rick shop I think it's called right? Yeah, that's correct that knows the stuff so imagine you're about you're about to get in there and the guy looks at you Goes oh man, you're like really heavy. I don't know if I could do it. You would understand. Really good fuck. I mean, he's the one dragging you.

Starting point is 00:09:28 Or he goes, you know, it's going to cost you a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. Why? Oh, because it's a lot of work to pull your big old muscle ass or whatever. I get it. Look, you're paying them to fly you somewhere and make sense. But now here's where I want to go. How much gas are they actually like in comparison?

Starting point is 00:09:44 Probably a lot, bro. You think? Well, I mean, think about it. If you could, if you could reduce the weight of every passenger by 10%, imagine what, and then times that by how many flights a day that each airline does times that by a year, it could be potentially hundreds of thousands

Starting point is 00:09:59 of maybe even millions of dollars. It's a competitive market. Their margins are not massive. People think, oh, they make some, no, they don't, they're very competitive. And so they're always trying to find ways to do it. I just see discrimination lawsuits everywhere. Yes.

Starting point is 00:10:13 And things in privilege, which is hilarious. Well, because even before that, it was the whole, you have to buy two seats because, you know, your body is too wide. I don't disagree with that, do you know? No, I don't disagree. They're just saying that like, like that, that was something that deal. Which, no, I don't disagree. They're just saying that that was something that I'm sure there was already lawsuits about that.

Starting point is 00:10:29 No, you're trying to go this direction. You're saying that, because they had lawsuits here. Now here's the deal, when they were doing that, when they were saying, hey look, you're big, you need to buy two tickets. I didn't see any bodybuilders complain, right? Because they would also have to buy two tickets, but I think it's because they take it differently.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Like imagine Adam, you're about to get on the plane. They're like, hey, you're too big bro, have to buy two tickets, but I think it's because they take it differently. I'm saying like imagine Adam right you're about to get on the plane like hey you're too big bro you got to buy it. Okay man. All right. I'll buy it. Yeah, I mean tax on my gains. Yeah, I'm sorry my lats. I know I gotta get a ticket for my lats. Who did we fly out here that that requested first class? What bodybuilder? We had a bodybuilder. Only fly first class. Was it Sean Ray? A little bit of a pre-Mondana was it Sean Ray? I don't think it wasn't flex It wasn't no because flex was here. He's here. Oh someone who didn't the end of it not coming because they know No, no they came they still came I think we had a I think it was Sean Ray dude. Was it I think so it was a mountain dog

Starting point is 00:11:19 Or it was no it wasn't I think it was Sean. I can't remember who it was Yeah, do you remember that? Yeah, so so It was it. I think it was Sean, right? I can't remember who it was. I do remember that. I visited this guy. So here's where I think. First class. Now, okay, obviously if you tell people we got to weigh you, and right now it's voluntary, but at some point, if they end up saying we got to make this a mandatory thing, we're going to charge more, they're going to encounter this whole like fat, shaming, and thin,

Starting point is 00:11:39 privilege, and blah, blah, blah type of argument. So here's how I think the airlines are going to spin it. Because if you're in the airlines, right, you gotta be smart, like, okay, how do we present this in a way where we can't get fucked with? Because we want to weigh people, it makes sense, but now people are gonna be offended and whatever. So here's what I think they're gonna say. I think they're gonna pin it on climate change.

Starting point is 00:12:02 I think they're gonna say, we're trying to produce less carbon. Saving. Yeah. And because heavier people make a for burn low, yeah. Yeah, companies will spin, you know, all these muscles.

Starting point is 00:12:14 I think that's the best way to spin it. Like how you gonna spin, you got people complaining about, you know, your fat shaming us, I got to spin it to climate change. Oh, you know, I'm sorry about that. We're trying to save greater issues. Yes, right? That's what I would do. That's not a that's

Starting point is 00:12:27 not a bad idea. If I worked for the they're still in there getting the I still think you get in the same trouble though. I don't know if you get out of this one. Now right now it's all speculation or is there some people that are piloting this? They're piloting it. It's going to be a voluntary thing first to start with. So what does that mean? It's voluntary. Yeah, exactly. Like I get on it Hey, can we weigh you, you know? Oh, yeah. And the people would be like, I mean, okay, so if you made it voluntary, I don't think heavy people are gonna do this.

Starting point is 00:12:49 And if they did a thing like this, where if you get price reduction, that's the reason why. This is how I would structure, okay? It's a voluntary thing based off of like a height, a height thing. If you weigh under a certain amount, you get a discount.

Starting point is 00:13:02 Yeah. What you do is you roll out like we're charging more, we're charging more of a voluntary, and you get a discount. Yeah you get discount. Yeah. What you do is you roll out, like, we're charging more, if it's voluntary, and you get a discount, that's the thing. Yeah, you're discriminating. Yeah, it's still discriminating. Yeah, it's still fucked up. You're so woked, dude. That's been privileged at the wokest.

Starting point is 00:13:17 By the way, none of us would get that discount. Is that a lie? I know, I know. We would not get that discount. No, I also wouldn't care. I'm already on the list for Kaiser. Yeah, like they're trying to get me in one of those, like, weight loss't. We would not get that discount. No, I also wouldn't care. I'm already on the list for Kaiser. You know, like they're trying to get me in one of those like weight loss clinics.

Starting point is 00:13:28 Yeah. What, they're after your fat ass? They've been after me, dude. Still? Yeah. You know that? He gets calls. He gets calls.

Starting point is 00:13:36 He's like, call stuff in his mail all the time. I get mail, like they're just like, when can we see you? This is an important issue. Are they, no, they're not gentle? So you get, you get a, Doug gets that what is it? a rp stuff sent to him all time and you get you get fat lost stuff yeah see at least he's trying to

Starting point is 00:13:50 get discount yeah trying to like you know is that what is the a rp is that what it is Doug what's the what's the thing you start getting when you get old yeah that's a rp yeah you get a lot a lot yeah I started getting that stuff diners club you know credit cards which brings us's great, I do get the discount, right? Well, this is why we always invite Doug to the movies. Yeah, exactly. Which brings us to our newest sponsor, thinks the Doug depends.

Starting point is 00:14:12 They actually, I'm just kidding, we don't work with the fans. And Doug doesn't wear depends. Yeah. Except for when he's having fun. Relive yourself anywhere. Yeah, don't have to go to the bathroom anyway. But I think that's gonna be funny if they start waiting.

Starting point is 00:14:23 So here's what I think, I think what they should do is, which this is what I would again as I would just have Because I know this exists they would have cameras that could pretty closely estimate Somebody's weight based off of their size or whatever so that they could get better numbers because this is not gonna fly Dude, there's no way bro. This are weighing people. Yeah No, you're right. I think it's hilarious. No matter you even if you do think of how self-conscious people are going to be. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my god. We finally are going to Hawaii. Honey. I'm so excited. And then they weigh you in like, oh, you're a little crash dieting. You're a little heavy vacation. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's going

Starting point is 00:14:58 to be terrible. Why'd you eat so much of vacation? Well, before I got on the plane. They made me feel terrible. I'm hungry, like slaps it out of their head. No, we need to get weighed. What are you thinking? Babe. Babe, what the fuck? Yeah, they're saying you're gonna fly. They're saying you're gonna fly, ayy, Markin, I don't see it going any way.

Starting point is 00:15:16 I know, it's hilarious. Dude, I watched the documentary, oh I guess it is like a generation hustle. Yes, that you sent over to me last night. So I watched almost all of those. There's two that I didn't watch. Yeah, I watched two of them. That's all you've watched.

Starting point is 00:15:29 Yeah, you have to watch. There's two that I'm going to tell you. I think you still scam with the beat or something like that. Oh, scam with the beats. I haven't watched that one yet. Bro. That's the one I told you guys about on the podcast. Yeah, we didn't really talk in a detail about it

Starting point is 00:15:39 because we hadn't seen any of it, but I watched it last night. And this fool is on video, okay? And he's like telling the world through his rap music. Yeah, so he makes songs. Oh yeah, so let me back you up a little bit here. So there's a whole underground scene and cultural thing that's happening right now in hip hop,

Starting point is 00:16:00 which is scam rappers. And basically what they do is they wrap about the digital scams that they do. And they teach you the techniques. They tell you how to do it through the wrap. Yeah, like how to get credit card numbers, how to put them on new credit cards, how to get into people's accounts,

Starting point is 00:16:17 scams you could do through social media. Wow. It's like, and the way they explained it is, like these kids are not, and these are all these kids are, you know, obviously in bad situations or whatever. Instead of holding people up with guns or selling drugs, they're like, this is easier, it's harder to catch us.

Starting point is 00:16:34 We're not gonna get shot. We're gonna get into the scam business, and it's exploding, and what this kid does, by the way, he's smart as fuck. Yes. You know, as I was watching it, I was so, part of me was like enthralled with this kid's,, he's smart as fuck. Yes. You know, as I was watching it, I was so, part of me was like enthralled with this kid.

Starting point is 00:16:48 Like he's a hustler. And I don't mean that in the negative sense. I mean, this kid had he grown up in a different situation. He would be a millionaire entrepreneur at some point. Like he's, his brain is incredible. The way he presents things is very incredible. He obviously grew up in a way that he went kind of the wrong way or whatever.

Starting point is 00:17:05 His dad was a hustler, taught him everything. Yeah. So he went and just built on top of that. It was crazy what I saw. I mean, the idea that these guys are able to, and so he gets away with it now because he's teaching others. There's nothing illegal about doing that. Yeah, there's nothing illegal about giving all the tools to do theft or do those things.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Just like you could look up online, how to rob them. So did he get caught before? No, no. So he's never been caught. He's just telling them how to do this. And now he just tells pro, making millions of dollars, scammed his way into a million dollar record label, bought his dad a house, all of these things,

Starting point is 00:17:40 and openly talking about this. And what he says on the interview is like, you won't be able to figure out who I am. Wow. He's covered his identity that well that he feels confident enough to sit there on a documentary talking to the camera about all these scams. He breaks down this one that I think I forget that he has names for all these scams. He's going to tell the Instagram one.

Starting point is 00:17:59 Yeah, the flights. Oh no. You do buy flights? Oh no, no. So he's like, the interviewer is asking like,, like, give me an example of like scams. He's like, he's like, they work. 100, always, 100% guaranteed it'll work. I could do it right now, right in front of you.

Starting point is 00:18:10 And she's like, okay, well, give me a scam that's easy to do. It goes, okay. Go find an Instagram model that has millions of followers. That's funny. Rip all of her pictures, restart a whole new account, go buy for, you know, 30, 50 bucks or whatever cost for fake followers

Starting point is 00:18:25 So you instantly have so you look like you're real so you look like you're real right away Within a couple hours you'll already have thirsty dudes that are DM and you and sitting stuff like that Tell them that you'll go out to do buy with them have them buy your playing tickets and then block them and never talk to them again He's like bro works every time and then block them and never talk to them again. Yeah. He's like, bro, works every time. So he gets what I'd say before he does all this shit. You know what, that one works so well?

Starting point is 00:18:49 Because if you're that dude, you ain't telling anybody. No. You're not reporting that you got scam by somebody. You're like, fuck, you feel embarrassed, like I guess. Yeah, I deserve it. A lot of the scams. Tell me she loved me. A lot of the scams are exactly that.

Starting point is 00:19:02 Are these things that they work so well because, you know, the people that get scammed are kind of like, fuck, I should have known better. I shouldnams are exactly that. Are these things that they work so well because the people that get scammed are kind of like fuck I should have known better. I shouldn't have done that. They willingly give their money or their information up. And so, and then the way he justifies it, right? Because they start to question him if you feel bad and this and that. He's like, listen, I'm taking someone's credit card information.

Starting point is 00:19:21 If I go out and spend $10,000 on their credit card that I scanned them out of, they report that to their credit card company, they get the money back from that, is like, who am I really scamming? Who am I really hurting? So, you know, okay, now there's some, there's, he's really is robbing it. Yeah, and that's no, well, there's an economic trickle down effect that has. Yeah, that's false. Yeah, so, so, yeah, so many, we, we get the system.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Yeah, credit cards charge higher interest rates. That's right. Yeah, so somebody gets hurt. Yeah, somebody, we get the system. Yeah, credit cards charge higher interest rates. That's right. It's harder to get credit. It's harder to buy things, the cost that goes into improving security gets passed down to the consumer. So we do pay for it. It's like nobody pays for it. You're still stealing also, but it is quite brilliant to see how he does this.

Starting point is 00:20:01 And again, as I watch him, like, fuck, if this kid... What was the other scam you were thinking? It was the right way, it was that one. Oh, it was, yeah, it was this. No, I just thought that was, he gave another one, I can't remember the other one was, but he lays it out in the, in the wraps.

Starting point is 00:20:14 Like everything down to like how you, how you get onto the dark web, what websites, what browser you use. And then what he does is he sells these guides. Yeah, I don't like, give you specifics. So you listen to his rap songs and like, oh shit, he's the god of scams. He's like, by my, you know, and he'll name the scam

Starting point is 00:20:30 and you'll buy his guides for however much. And so that's where he's making his money. And check this out. So he's, and imagine this, like the rap is not even good, right? It's like, it's barely off beat. It's off beat, whatever. But because he's blowing up and it's this growing thing

Starting point is 00:20:44 and so many people are, or he's blowing up and it's this growing thing and so many people are are, he got, he's got record labels in his DMs like crazy trying to sign him because just because he's got so much clout in this, in this growing space. Yeah. And so he gets a record deal for like $10 million. So he sets that up and structures it in a way so that he's legitimate from a record deal. And that's what he obviously probably used to buy his dad's house which by the way he tells at the end of the down spoiler alert on this one just still go watch it there's so much in there is he tells him that the record label

Starting point is 00:21:13 that's not even his legit name and he's buying shit with with that that name and everything crazy yeah well since we're talking about HBO you know it's funny I was watching I'm watching this series on Netflix I watch the whole thing, you know, it's funny. I was watching I'm watching this series on Netflix I watch the whole thing things called Jupiter rising. It's a pretty cool superhero Series, but it's got a lot of twists to it. So it's pretty fun and I and I also go on HBO Max and watch some of their stuff and Mm-hmm, and so I had this kind of this thought process of the the two ways that these because what's happened now And I remember back in the day when we debated what would happen with entertainment, it turns out that it is moving in this direction

Starting point is 00:21:49 where networks are just gonna pop up, they're gonna compete, they're gonna have their own programming, and eventually they'll bundle with other ones. Maybe, right? But you have lots of different, you know, Hulu and YouTube red and Netflix, you know. That was my theory, Justin. So I was the one who actually thought

Starting point is 00:22:04 it was gonna be all a cart like it is right now. And it's just gonna keep growing that way. But anyway, what we see, there's two very distinct models, right? One is the Netflix binge model. They'll drop a series, all the episodes. The other model HBO does where they trickle the episodes. So they'll drop one, you gotta wait till next week

Starting point is 00:22:23 before it releases. Amazon does it too. Yeah, and Amazon does the same thing. And I'm like, which one's better? Like one of them makes drop one, you got to wait till next week before it releases. Amazon does it too. Yeah, and Amazon does the same thing. And I'm like, which one's better? Like one of them makes me binge, you know, and the other one, you know, it takes a lot longer. I think the trickle model's better because I notice that when a series that I like is done on Netflix,

Starting point is 00:22:38 if there's no other series I'm immediately interested in, I stop visiting Netflix. But because when I like a particular series on HBO, I'll keep visiting it to check to see if the episode's up and it just gets me to their site more often. Yeah, and the quality. You know, you could see the stark contrast of that. Both approaches, you see a higher quality

Starting point is 00:22:56 when you're getting it trickled in versus the other one. It's, again, once you consume the whole thing, you could do it in a day, a lot of these series. And so then what's next? What's next? What's next? And it's like, you know, they're on the clock to produce that for everybody,

Starting point is 00:23:11 and it's not always the best. Well, I look at it, I like the analogy of it being like food. It's just you've got, you know, fast food and junk food, which is like Netflix and, you know, stuff that people binge on and just mindlessly eat. And then you have like a fancy $200 steakhouse place that is like, you don't do that every single day and eat crazy.

Starting point is 00:23:30 It's something that you enjoy slowly. So I kind of look at it like it's, there are a bunch of, now I see it like that. It's a bunch of different restaurants and it's like what appeals to that person? Maybe at that time. So maybe there's times when you're like, oh, I'm sick and I'm laying around all day.

Starting point is 00:23:42 Like what a great time to binge on Netflix, like a whole season of something versus, oh, you know, I really, this is my show I watch. Yeah, my wife Friday. Yeah, Friday at seven o'clock. So yeah, it's definitely different models. It's interesting because what we're seeing right now, and this is beautiful, right? Because it's relatively unregulated.

Starting point is 00:24:00 So they're just able to compete with each other. Is they're starting to develop their own flavors? They're starting to develop their own,. They're starting to develop their own You know the programming is coming out their brands So you can start to see them compete in this way and it's very interesting like Hulu feels very different than you know Amazon and that feels very different than HBO and it feels very different than Netflix and YouTube and So it's really really cool to watch I'm really enjoying all of this.

Starting point is 00:24:25 And it's funny. People will, they'll tell me, especially in the past, when I was making that argument, they're like, oh, it's going to be way more expensive. No, it's not. It's only more expensive because you want access to everything. The truth is, just Netflix, just Netflix alone gives me way more, it's just so many more options of things to watch

Starting point is 00:24:48 than I had five years ago. 10 years ago on network. We were just talking about this as we can my best friends and I, because we all were, I don't know if you guys were into, I collected like video cassettes when I was a kid, right? We were like, and you know, you're a kid buying a, you know, $25 video cassette

Starting point is 00:25:02 or whatever I thought, you know, I couldn't buy that all the time. So I had this collection of 50 video cassettes when I was like a 16 year old kid or whatever I thought. And I mean, I must have watched. That's like a thousand bucks right there. Well, I mean, and I must have watched those same 20 video cassettes a million times.

Starting point is 00:25:19 And I can remember every weekend looking at them and I'm like, which one I'm gonna watch this one in a couple weeks, I'm gonna watch that one. Big Lebowski or Memento. And I have such a good deal. It's so true. I have such a hard time now with all the cont, there's so much that I find myself,

Starting point is 00:25:35 there's nothing on. There's nothing to watch. I feel like there's more to watch than you ever have before, but now I still feel like I don't want to watch. Yeah, so if you spend a lot, it's because you have access to like a billion things to watch. In fact, I could see a market, like a market demand for an effective searching tool

Starting point is 00:25:55 or function to find, because I could literally, if I allow myself, I could spend 45 minutes figuring out, and I'm like, and it pisses off Jessica. I should be like, we're supposed to watch something. It's spending, yeah, that's the part of the irritates. Yes, yeah, because it's like, I know there's good shows out there, but I don't always know which platform it's on

Starting point is 00:26:15 or, you know, how to find them or it doesn't get the marketing part of it. So even with movies, like I don't get, I don't see trailers for movies anymore because it's like, you're just, I know this shows on. I'm trailers for movies anymore because it's like, I know this shows on, I'm going to just watch this. And it's like, you don't really know what else is out there. So I don't know how they're going to end up handling that in the future.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Well, do you guys have Apple TV or no? Yeah. Uh huh. Okay, so Apple TV does this, right? So they've got. Oh, search different. Well, so if I go into my Apple TV app, it actually has show time, HBO, epics, you know, I forget, obviously doesn't have prime Netflix as competitors, but it has a lot

Starting point is 00:26:52 of these other Disney has all of them in there. And they all are based off of my algorithm of what I show. So I on one homepage, I can see like the five trending things on show time that would appeal to me. I can see like the five things on Disney that would appeal to me. So I mean, they're getting, they're getting very sophisticated with the algorithm on how to feed you. Yeah, but it's still not, it's still not like great, right?

Starting point is 00:27:12 I feel like at some point, it's gonna be more like social media where you're gonna connect to people that you have similar likes to. And then based off of other people's recommendations, like I know for certain types of films, Justin is gonna give me good advice. Like if I wanna watch sci-fi, I'll just adjust it, Justin, what's a good news site?

Starting point is 00:27:32 I'll trust his review versus some random person. I feel like there's a lot of value there. I don't know how they're gonna make it. I get a social interactive thing. I'm sure there's something wrong with that for sure. I'm sure there's something. You know what I wanna know is, so, and I don't know if there's other, how many of these

Starting point is 00:27:47 streaming services are doing this, but we talked to, oh, one of the last episodes, we talked about how much we trust the reviews. And I just watched something that had, you know, 4.5 and it was awful. And instead of having a thousand reviews, there is no way that that's thing got, so I'm wondering now too, is how many of these places are starting to hack that and pay for positive reviews. That's what I mean. It could be a bunch of kids that are watching this thing.

Starting point is 00:28:14 People that I don't have similar, like Netflix does it. Did you see that? Top 10, and then I'm looking, I'm like, did you see it for who? Did you guys see that post that Robert Ogres did the other day about the top 10 on Netflix? No.

Starting point is 00:28:26 It said, it was a meme and it said, nothing makes me feel more disconnected than our society than the top, my top 10 list of Netflix. That's all I was like, I'm ever going on there. I'm like, these are not what I would rate top 10. Yeah, I watched a movie on Amazon, paper tigers, I think it was, it's like a martial art comedy or whatever. I saw it, it looks bad.

Starting point is 00:28:43 And the trailer was like, maybe go, ah, it's gonna either suck or it might be funny. It might be actually good. The review was great. It got great stars or whatever on Amazon. So I freaking rented that shitty ass movie. And I only watched half of it because my hard-headed nature is like, it's gonna get better.

Starting point is 00:29:02 So that's exactly, okay, that was Amazon, right? Yes. Okay, that was one, okay, there was like three paper tigers and then I forget the name of this other one that I watched and all of them had a thousand reviews and they were like 4.5. I almost watched that one, I chose the other one and the other one was terrible too.

Starting point is 00:29:17 So something's going on with Amazon with their reviews on their movies saying that they're ranked way better than what they really are because you just now confirmed that the other one, I almost watched that had high reviews, that I was like, this does not look that good. That's what I mean. I feel like there's such a, there would be, at some point,

Starting point is 00:29:34 we're gonna see a game-changing algorithm or way of recommend, because seriously, there's fatigue, there's search fatigue. Almost like a streaming guide. Like, you know, there's somebody that, sort of, either it's a person that has a podcast or has like just devoted to that, like exclusively, or something like that.

Starting point is 00:29:52 That's actually popular. There's a lot of podcasts that that's what they do. If you have a solid dues, receive. Do you guys remember TV guide? Remember that? Oh, never. That's how you found shit back in the day. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:30:00 Well, even just, okay, so some of these, like, so spectrum, I guess is like one of those kind of like hulu things, but it's like super old school, but, you know, there's something to just staying in one place and then like scrolling, scrolling, oh yeah, that, and it has all the networks listed out, like it's easier mentally, you know, there's something to that. You guys gotta watch, I know it's animated,

Starting point is 00:30:23 I think I brought it up, but I'm gonna say it again, Mitchell versus the machines, you have to watch it. Did you guys got to watch. I know it's animated I think I brought it up, but I'm gonna say it again Mitchell versus the machines you have to watch it Did you guys like spider-man into this the spider you verse or whatever? Oh, yeah, that got that cartoon. Yeah, yeah, okay really smart right really creative really entertaining Mitchell versus the machines. I promise you you'll watch it and you'll love what's it on what's what's what it's on Netflix Oh, it's Netflix and it's the same creators some of the spider-man into the spider-versa What oh, yeah, you yeah, I like that. Really, really well made.

Starting point is 00:30:46 It was really, really interesting. So that zombie movie I brought up, the other podcast was Zack Snyder, so the one that, but it sucked. But it sucked, dude. I'm, hey, sorry. And he got all these good reviews.

Starting point is 00:30:56 I'm like, get outta here with those reviews, like, honestly. I mean, it was, it was, high budget, they went all out and there was violence and all that kind of stuff, but it just was like, you'll see. If you watch it and you don't listen to me, that's fine. Oh, it sucks. Well, speaking of algorithms and stuff like that, I just read this like study.

Starting point is 00:31:16 You know, sometimes I think to myself, who the fuck is funding some of these studies? I don't understand. Anyway, it was a study on AI. And the paper essentially was like, when AI gets really intelligent, how are humans going to compete with AI? And at the end of the study, the result is AI is going to kick our ass. Now, I always think of myself, why are you funding stupid shit like this? What's the next study going to be? Thanks. We actually spent a million dollars to see what would happen

Starting point is 00:31:46 if we put our hand in a fireplace and it burned. It burned. It burned our hand. Yeah, so according to the authors like yeah, they would outcompete us and pretty much anything and because they're smarter and they don't run out of energy. I'm like, oh yeah. No shit. Is that gonna, you guys think this would happen in our lifetime? Are we gonna see, I mean, are we gonna like go into places to go shopping and it's gonna be like all AI that's serving you and taking care of you? I think it'll be different than what people think.

Starting point is 00:32:11 I think they're gonna sort of contain, they're gonna try it really hard to contain AI. So that way it has like different industries and different aspects where that's, it's exclusive knowledge is like, you know, within to make everything more efficient, with shipping or to make everything, again, what we're talking about with the streaming service,

Starting point is 00:32:30 maybe there's an AI that just figures you out and then presents it to you specifically. That's what I think too. I think when people hear AI, they automatically think of like, I robot or like, Terminator. Yeah, they think of that, but that's not what we're building towards AI within this

Starting point is 00:32:47 Business right so on the back end of the business we have you know the CRM is called HubSpot and Right now, I mean we've been doing this for the last year and a half now where every time we have questions We gather that we we template it out and you know We start to categorize like all these similar type questions so that in the future you know, we start to categorize like all these similar type questions so that in the future, somebody could literally just type in and then AI can respond to them like, oh, try this or maybe this or maybe that.

Starting point is 00:33:11 And if we get enough of this data, it should be really accurate to what that person's searching for with all the content. I think we're gonna see a lot of weird stuff in our lifetime for sure because the rate of advanced. We are. Yeah, exactly. That's a weird thing. You're right. The rate of advanced. Yeah, exactly. That's a weird thing.

Starting point is 00:33:25 You're right. The rate of advancement is accelerating. Yeah. So, you know, 10 years now is what, you know, 20 years used to be in terms of change and innovation. I mean, come on. Let's, the iPhone, what was the iPhone first launched? What was the first one, Doug?

Starting point is 00:33:41 It was, it was, we looked that up from here. Do you know that he almost didn't do that to right what the launch of Steve Jobs did not want to do a phones, you know that you know originally that was here It was the way they convinced him was that Microsoft was doing tablets and let's make a competitive tablet that basically can also make Calls, but he didn't want to get into the phone business. What so, right? So, 13, 14 years ago, the first iPhone, like, look how far and how much that particular phone or smart phones has changed society in that short of a period of time.

Starting point is 00:34:16 It's insane. So I think we're gonna see shit like that. I think the biggest, the first one that's gonna blow everyone's mind in terms of how much it changes society. 3D printers. No. I think yes, but I don't one that's gonna blow everyone's mind in terms of how much it changes society. 3D printers. No. I think yes, but I don't think that's gonna happen

Starting point is 00:34:29 for self-driving cars. When you bring up something like that, I always think about what would happen because of things like that. So you guys know that at the same time, Blackberry was a 50 or a $70 billion company. And then just gone, gone. Like literally gone because of something,

Starting point is 00:34:44 some innovation like that. Comes in, makes it, comes in. This way I'm not worried about companies that crush and everybody's so afraid of them. Oh my gosh, they control everything. But the only thing I don't like is when government creates barriers around them to protect them. They subsidize it.

Starting point is 00:34:57 But if they can't fail. But if they're in the market, I'm like, well, okay, good for them, but you know, like you did, you brought that up to the day about the Forbes, the top 500 companies. How many of them are still there 40 years later? It'll turn over. It'll turn over, but I think the self-driving cars

Starting point is 00:35:11 will be the first big, massive change, everything event. And then from there, we'll see, we'll end up seeing what happens. Well, speaking of technology, so I'm always curious and have been paying attention to a lot of fitness trackers and all that kind of stuff forever. And I never bring up Strava because Strava is a little bit more specifically to cyclists

Starting point is 00:35:33 and runners. But I ran across this article and it was talking about kind of a crazy thing that happened because Strava allows you to map your runs and they have a heap map on the globe of where you've been and everybody's competing with whatever run that you've done before. So I guess a lot of people in the military use Strava. And it's all taking all this data and all this stuff. So they got in trouble because it was revealing some secret bases in different locations

Starting point is 00:36:07 where maybe that country didn't even know we had troops in. So. Oh, wow. Yeah, so that became like an immediate, like, oh, yeah, a big problem. Wow, you know you just made me think of is what is great strategy by another country

Starting point is 00:36:23 to figure things out. Just create an app that people use, and now you gather information on them, and it's all through just selling a product. I wouldn't be surprised that already happens. Just like when we changed our face to being old, you know, I have that Russian app. Why Strava?

Starting point is 00:36:38 Why is, I've always hated that name. It sounds like a coffee shop. It doesn't sound like a running app. Do you know where the name comes from by chance? What does Strava mean? Doesn't it sound like a coffee shop to you? That's what it sounds like. it doesn't sound like a running app. Do you know where the name comes from by chance? What does straw-a-mean? Doesn't it sound like a coffee shop to you? It doesn't sound like a running app. Oh, I was struck by cheetahs.

Starting point is 00:36:50 Yeah, it doesn't sound like that to me. I don't know why I think that. We're just talking shit about the name. Doug, what do you think? It comes from the Swedish word strive. Ah, okay, you make sure. Now I like it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:02 That works. I still don't like it. Still sound like coffee to me. Yeah, do you guys ever hear a word or a name that you don't like? But then because it's spelled a certain way, you like it. Yeah, it works. I still don't like it. I still like it. I still sell that coffee to me. Do you guys ever hear a word or a name that you don't like, but then because it's spelled a certain way you like it, all of a sudden, this happening this morning, where it comes out. Well, I was talking to a friend of mine,

Starting point is 00:37:14 they're gonna have a baby girl, and they were talking about names that they wanted to name. The baby, and Margot was one of the names. Now, I don't necessarily, sorry, if your name is Margot, okay, but it's not, I was like, I don't know if I like that name, so I'll hate you. But then they said, but then I realized that they're spelling it M-A-R-G-O-T. And I'm like, oh, I like the way that looks. Now I like the names. Ever happen you guys? Margot? Margot? Yeah. Yeah. Are you guys

Starting point is 00:37:37 like that? Am I the only weirdo? You are definitely weirdo now. I mean, maybe. I just think of examples. Yeah, like we're adding a letter also makes you like it more. Just the aesthetic of the way it looks, makes it, you know. Yeah, no. I'm not gonna leave where. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it, you're all alone on this conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:53 You know, I met Jessica when we first started dating, she had a, she's gonna be so embarrassed. She had a notebook of words that she just, she would like a word like the way it looked and she's right now. Oh, bro, this is one of the reasons why I fell in love with it. Really?

Starting point is 00:38:06 Oh yeah, that's interesting. You like words? Does she write poetry or anything? She's written a lot stuff in the past, but she's like me, we both kind of weird with that kind of stuff, and I like the way certain words. Well, some of them sound eloquent, and I always pay attention, like somebody like a Jordan Pierce,

Starting point is 00:38:23 and that uses words I'd never heard. And he's like, oh my God, I gotta remember that. And I never do. Because it's just, when I listen to him talk, I always have like my notepad out. And I'm like, I gotta look that up later because I have no idea what he just said. It's almost every time I listen to that man speak,

Starting point is 00:38:37 he says a word that I have never heard before. But then you'll get somebody like as an example, what's that guy's name, the English comedian who's like very like Russell, forget his name. Russell Brand, thank you. Who just, his whole thing is to try and push in all these eloquent words.

Starting point is 00:38:57 And then you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? You know, the whole thing just sounds like this whimsical, you know, diary of words. Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean. No, that's annoying when someone does. It's like, it's like, noxious. Like it took you 20 seconds to say something that would take you five seconds.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Condense that down. That's when it's annoying. When words are used effectively, I think it's awesome, it's very attractive, it's great. But when you're just doing it to make a word salad, because I'm gonna tell you that I'm going to the bathroom But I end up telling you this big freaking story. I know you know who do the fitness space does this

Starting point is 00:39:30 You're your the academics. Yes the academics in our space love to take a sniff in their far The option of the humorous and the horizontal plane is flexion of the pectoralis major You're like what? All you had to say was bring your arms together, bro. Are you serious? Like that's what you did. Did you really need to say that? And like how many people, how many people really understood

Starting point is 00:39:51 what you said? No, your audience. Yeah, no, you know, the only time, you know what it was funny? The only time, all the terminology and Latin and all that stuff. When I was doing a doctor, when I had a doctor or somebody in my field that had a higher education than me, that was my way of letting you know like hey I know I know I know stuff to case your one that's I had a lot of doctor clients I'm not and I would I'd be like cool I get to use this that's the only time that's the only time

Starting point is 00:40:16 they were like oh yeah no you know the I like to have to be able to have like you I didn't get incorrect it actually I'm using that incorrectly yeah. That's the tibial tuberosity. It doesn't move that way. That's how the attachment of that particular muscle, that's actually the insertion. What the hell's going on? No, you see that in fitness because the academics who create the studies that are valuable, I think that they over estimate their own value.

Starting point is 00:40:43 Who are your favorite communicators in the fitness space? When you think of people that you like, Joe DeFranco does get that. Yeah, no, as you can see. Joe DeFranco does it. Joe DeFranco knows him and Smitty, his partner, right, with their CPS, they know their shit, better than almost anybody, okay,

Starting point is 00:40:58 when it comes to biomechanics. They cut all the fat out of their presentation. But when they present it, they're doing it away so that it's effective. So they're not just trying to sound smart, they are, but they do it in a way that's... So Joe does that really well. I think Mike Matthews does this really well too.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Mike does a good job. Yeah, Mike's a very, very intelligent guy well read, and I think that he's... He's not a fitness academic though, necessarily. Yeah. He learns a lot on his own, but he's not like... I mean, that just did, though. I think for somebody who doesn't have 20 plus years

Starting point is 00:41:22 in the fitness space, he communicates it as if he did. So I think he's also just generally a very intelligent guy. Yeah, and a great communicator period, right? So even if I'm talking economics with him or politics with him, he's a good communicator. I would say P.J. performance. He's very, very clear and concise, but like brings up very complicated subject matter and has the studies and everything

Starting point is 00:41:46 to back it. Yeah. It's like who are you talking to? Are you talking to a classroom full of, you know, PhD students, in which case you talk a certain way, or are you talking to the average person who's trying to get them to improve their fitness, in which case, like use the right language? Speaking of Mike, I got to apologize Doug for stealing your pre-workout over there. I found out afterwards, I got home and Katrina, like always has this bag I thought I'm supposed to bring back to the studio

Starting point is 00:42:12 where there's going to get to Jerry or somebody else. And she's like, you need to go return this to Doug. I'm like, why? He can get his own. She's like, that was his. Like, he specifically asked for the non-stem green apple to be shipped to the studio. And I don't even like the non-stip. I just saw the green apple and I just grabbed it because it's my other favorite flavor.

Starting point is 00:42:29 So he actually has the best non-stimulent pre-workout that I've tried. A dog loves it. I love it. It tastes amazing. Yeah, the challenge with non-stem is you still want to feel something from it. Yeah, I'm not just taking it to taste the fruit,

Starting point is 00:42:44 you drink or whatever. I'm taking it because I want to have improved performance. I want to notice a little bit more focus. But traditionally the way you do that is with stimulants like caffeine, but he's done it with the formula. It's got alpha GPC. He's got some other beta aline in there and some other things. And you actually do get this kind of energy boost without the stimulant. Now, Doug, do you only use the non-sim

Starting point is 00:43:06 or do you back and forth like, what's your coffee? Only the non-stem when I use a pre-workout. So I've been kind of going back and forth between that and element as my pre-workout. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't mix it to that. You know, you could drink element during your workout.

Starting point is 00:43:21 You don't have to do it as a pre-workout. Just drink. Well, no, I do it during my workout Oh, I see okay, or both. I mean for that. That's not something that conflicts at all Oh, what if you mean mixing them together? No, not like literally mixing them together. I do I'll mix all kinds of yeah Well, at least in that formulation you get benefits from but like say you're just doing it with decaf coffee or something That you're gonna have to like convince me that's like, you know, that's not good.

Starting point is 00:43:46 That's where's the cap coffee guys are. Where's the benefit there? But if I do the regular pre-workout, I use half the dose. Oh, so you will sometimes. Sometimes very rarely, but when I do, when somebody takes your non-stem. Yes. It's kind of like somebody steals it.

Starting point is 00:44:02 Doug's sensitive to stimulants. You are too. Yeah, you got your, I'm less sensitive than he is. You see even more, Doug's sensitive to stimulants. You are too. Yeah, you got your, because you're, I'm less sensitive than he is. He's even more. Doug, Doug, I'm very sensitive.

Starting point is 00:44:09 Doug goes over 150 milligrams or something. I remember this from when I was a train him. He would, it would affect his sleep and he would start to feel shaky or whatever, like less performance. Yeah. And that's good to know about yourself because I,

Starting point is 00:44:20 you know, you read studies on caffeine, improves performance is very effective. Not if you have, if you're too sensitive. It does the opposite. I was in denial about it for a long time. Because I like caffeine so much, and it makes me feel good while I'm drinking it, like not realizing how much it was affecting my sleep and stuff.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Like, it took me a while to like really do. Yeah, yeah, real tough for me to like look at myself and the mirror and go like, hey, you know what, that's probably because I had three of those drinks today. Caffeines are drug, man, and you need to know this about yourself. Like, my dose just does this.

Starting point is 00:44:50 It just slowly creeps up and then I got to bring it down which sucks. And if I don't pay attention to that, I'll be living on high caffeine all the time and having these afternoon crashes. So that's what happens, right? I'll get the spike and then by two o'clock, I'm like, so do you cycle the non-stem with the regular caffeinated

Starting point is 00:45:07 pre-workout or do you go pre-workout and then no pre-workout? Like, how do you cycle? Okay, so there's two options that I can do. One is I go from caffeine and I wait until my dose gets up to about 300, for me, the threshold's 300. Once I start needing 300 milligrams, that's when I start to thousand for Justin. Those that are 100.

Starting point is 00:45:27 Just as like 300 an hour. Yeah, 1500. Yeah. Yeah. Just as, what's rampant up? Just as like, when I have to start buying it by the pound, that's normally when I start to back off a little bit. He starts, see, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, dark circles in my eyes. Yeah, no, so for me it's 300 milligrams for other people.

Starting point is 00:45:47 It's obviously a different dose. But once I get up to that, I have two options. One is cold turkey. Fucking suck. If I go cold turkey, I feel irritable. Which is so weird to me, because you don't go very high. I feel like I can cut cold turkey and I go higher than you do. Yeah, no. I don't like the way I feel, I feel shitty,

Starting point is 00:46:05 I feel unmotivated, I don't feel happy. It's literally like, aw, sucks. After about four or five days of that, then I start to get back to normal, then I start bringing it back in, I have magic. Now, the reason why I typically don't do that is I hate dealing with that four or five days. We gotta come in here and podcast and work

Starting point is 00:46:22 and I got my kids and it's like, God, it makes everything just suck. So what I typically do is I just start to I bring it down by about 50 milligrams or 100 milligrams a week So I'll go 300 250 200 150 100 then I'll stay at 100 then I'll start bringing it back Yeah, I just I bring the cups down like an all real, you know being real like I do I do sort of taper it off when I start to feel, I get like a TMJ where I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just always like, you know, kind of grinding it. No, it's not from that.

Starting point is 00:46:52 I don't know. From the one last blow job. I don't know how to work in that. But, um, get out of that one. Thanks. Three a day, man. No, I'm doing a sideburn. I will start, you know start adjusting and bringing it down.

Starting point is 00:47:07 And then, but I reintroduced it. It's just kind of a cycle. OK, so do you know what your milligram top is? I know we set a thousand. Oh, did I go by cups? OK, so. I have three cups. It's very big.

Starting point is 00:47:20 It's like that lady used to train that would have a glass of wine. That was a good goblet. Yeah, that's what I think. OK, so glass of wine that was like a goblet. Yeah. That's what I think. Okay, so let's get into this for a second. What is, how big is the cup, typically? Okay, so the first one, I mean, is pretty normal. Like, let's say it's two shots of espresso.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Oh, that's it? Yeah. Okay, so it starts off with regular cup, right? Okay. And then, which is, okay, let's count the mealgrams. Take two shots, about 125. Okay. And then I get into my nitro which is

Starting point is 00:47:45 You know that's got a you know ramp up to what like 300 and at what size is that the ground a so 20 hours? Holy shit. Yeah, all right Doug look that up look up in caffeine in a Grande nitro or that I'm an empties. I'm gonna guess that's less Yes, 300 it's probably 300 milligrams Yeah, I would say 350 is what I would say. Okay, 350. Okay, so now we're up to 500. So we got 500.

Starting point is 00:48:10 So we're close to 500, right? Okay, so then I'll come in, you know, if I feel like I need more, I'll do another one. Another nitro? Yeah, the same size. Same size. Whoa! That's nothing.

Starting point is 00:48:21 All right, anyway, okay. Okay, we're warming up. Hold on a second here. Let's see what it is. Okay, two hundred eight. Okay, we can back you okay. Okay, we're warming up. Hold on a second here. Let's see what it is. Okay, 28, okay, we can back you down a little bit. So 280 plus 125, so let's say 120, right? So yeah, 400. Okay.

Starting point is 00:48:32 Plus another one, so that's in the 280. Okay. Okay. And then some days, I'll even add an energy drink on that. Like a rock star that we have. Yeah, that's right. Those are 300. No, no, these are two, these are like 250. Okay, Justin has one down. So you're getting like 900 milligrams. Yeah, that's have. Right. Those are 300. No, no, these are two. These are like two, two 50.

Starting point is 00:48:45 Okay. Justin has one down. So you're getting like 900 milligrams. Yeah. That's all you need. Now here's what the audience doesn't know before you go try doing this and killing yourself. Please don't do this. Justin doesn't have, don't you have like your adrenaline or whatever remove.

Starting point is 00:48:58 Yeah, I have one of them gone. Yeah. And I blame Adam specifically. Yeah. He introduced me to Speedstack. Or just in order to get everyone in the company. Guess what? It worked.

Starting point is 00:49:12 But I'm paying the price. Let's say it completely. What is Dickhead by the way? So Adam's like, look, how bad do you want to be number one? Yeah, you would actually have him ready. Oh shit. You know what was in the speed sack. Yeah, 200 milligrams caffeine 25 milligrams of a fedra alcalo They had a bunch of other and there was aspirin in there. Yeah, also so it's easy to eat

Starting point is 00:49:34 Monk fruit and all kinds of shit Got me going and you drink what three four day? Two three. Yeah, it depended. Yeah, man. I would do coffee if federal was the jam dude I tell you what, man, you kids have no idea. If federal was drugs, crazy. We're laughing about this, but it's a good conversation. You got two more on his adrenal drive.

Starting point is 00:49:52 Yeah, no, I mean, we're joking. All joking aside, I think that was there before, but. I got sucked into this because, because there's all the research around caffeine is pretty positive. You know what you're true? Yeah, what you see today, there's not a lot of stuff. Now there was some stuff in the past

Starting point is 00:50:08 where they tried to like scare you into thinking that oh, caffeine's bad for you and then that stuff came out to counter and say oh, there's like positive health benefits. Because they kind of tied it in with cigarettes. Yes, right? So, you know, most of the stuff that I was reading in my 20s related to caffeine, it was like,

Starting point is 00:50:21 oh, no, look, I could reference the study. Look, it says it's great for you to have this. And so just quickly justified, you know, the addiction going up and up and up. So not really thinking about some of the side effects of that. Doug, why don't you look up how many, how many emergency room visits are due to caffeine? So I want you guys to see. No, you know, you know, you know, why it kills a lot of people? It does because you look at the studies, but what they don't tell you is the other side of it.

Starting point is 00:50:46 If you, caffeine is a fucking drug, it's got, it'll definitely kill you if you have too much. It can cause heart arrhythmias, it can mess up your hormones, especially in women, when I, well I would train a client female with hormones all over the place. One of the first things I would do

Starting point is 00:50:59 is start to lower and then reduce and then, let me tell you that. Does it were that whole power, remember, when they came out with like powdered caffeine and powdered alcohol? And what a terrible fucking idea. What does it say, Doug? 1592 single exposures to caffeine containing energy,

Starting point is 00:51:15 drinks in 2018. With six outcomes, but no deaths, and then in, oh no deaths. And then the AACCC also reported a 2,849 single exposures to caffeine as a street drug. Those are caffeine overdose numbers. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, some kind of trench coat, just, you know.

Starting point is 00:51:34 Like, but no deaths, okay. Well, it's hard, how do you, like, okay, I had a heart attack. I died of heart attack. You know, was it the caffeine really pushed that over the edge? Who knows? I mean, I'm not going to disagree with you. It's dangerous. Tom wanted to your draw in there. Come on, you can't do that.

Starting point is 00:51:49 Well, I mean, okay. It says zero, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're full, Justin. There's 2000, what's this happens? Does this mean? Let's get you. Let's get you right back up.

Starting point is 00:51:57 We want to be the number one podcast in the world. Yeah, that's a fuck. I mean, if I'm motivated, you know, like it does kind of fuel that. There you go. Right there. Energy drinks send thousands to the ER each year. Yeah, but you know what? I guarantee you a lot of those, if not all of those.

Starting point is 00:52:11 Yes, they're all pussy kind of. I remember when I had three speed stacks, it's six of those, a Fedra, a high-droxy cut pills. Yeah, I don't know. And I remember like, I mean, I could, my eyeballs were like shaking, my hands were shaking, and it's like three in the morning, and I'm staring at my ceiling. That's not a bad reason.

Starting point is 00:52:29 Heart is gonna come out your chest. It's not a bad reason to go to a hospital. Well, that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of people that, and I was fine. I lived, I lived. I didn't sleep until like another day. Let's look up how many people went to the ER because of an edible.

Starting point is 00:52:39 Yeah. I mean, come on, like, you guys saw what happened to me once. You know, like, you guys saw what happened to me one day. You know, it freaked me out. Like, I know that there was, like, that one famous call with the cop. Yeah, that's one of the best. What's the thing we're talking about? If you're listening and you've never heard that, that's like worth your five minutes of silence.

Starting point is 00:52:58 Edibles won't kill you. The cop, the cop. They will freak you out. I'll tell you what, right now, I would overdose on almost any other drug than an edible. Oh, that does it. It's scary. That is a terrifying situation. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:09 This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 Days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first caller is Nicole from New Jersey. Hey Nicole, how can we help you?

Starting point is 00:53:42 Hi guys, thanks so much for having me. I'm a huge fan. I'm super excited to talk to you. So my question is actually about my core. I've always struggled with like tightening up my core and strengthening my routine and in my programming to really help me strengthen my core and just like tighten up that tummy area. Okay, now when you say, okay, so strengthening, you know, we can, we'll get to that, but when you say tightening up, do you mean leaner or do you mean it's just not like, you know, sculpted or strong feeling. A little bit of both. Definitely leaner, like aesthetically, you know.

Starting point is 00:54:29 But yeah, I do feel like strength too. Like, I really want to like make it strong just to help with like all my other lifts. Like, I just know that if my core is just stronger, it will help improve my swift so many of the other things that I do when I train. Right. Okay. So, when it comes to strength, it's like training into any other body part. It will help improve men with so many of the other things that I do when I train right okay So when it comes to strength It's like training into any other body part now the core has got some of its own unique challenges Technique in form is always important for every exercise

Starting point is 00:54:56 But when it comes to the core it's especially important because a lot of core exercises evolve Bringing the body forward, like folding forward. Well, we can do that without really activating the core properly. You can also do a lot of exercises that you normally do for other body parts but incorporate a core stability component. This is where a fisioball can come in handy.

Starting point is 00:55:18 So a fisioball you can use for dumbbell rows or seated presses or other exercises where you're kind of forced to engage the muscles of the core. As far as training frequency is concerned, I would do good, decent workouts for the core a few days a week and then incorporates stability in the other workouts when you're training the rest of your body. Well there's a couple things here. One, I would also recommend stomach vacuums.

Starting point is 00:55:44 I think that's an incredible exercise, especially if you're trying to get the the flat stomach look. Then there's the other thing that I've shared this on the podcast a long time ago. I'm talked about this in a long time. When I fell out of shape, I was a 20% body fat. And when I leaned all the way down to 7%, which was the leanest I'd ever been in my life, I was left with this like bottom pooch that my clients used to tell me about that it was so stubborn for them to lose that I had never experienced this.

Starting point is 00:56:14 That's what we call it. That's what we call it. So it is. And I was blown away that I had this. I was like, this didn't make sense to me. I'm leaner than I've ever been in my life. Even leaner than what I carried myself in my teens and 20s, yet I had this body fat that was sticking around

Starting point is 00:56:30 in my lower abdominals. And it was really frustrating that I had been this low and still that, well, what I found was, I went on like a little bulk, like a good bulk. I was in a dirty bulking. I just added calories and put some weight on, and then I went back down and cut again, then I bulked again and then cut it.

Starting point is 00:56:49 And it took about three times of cutting and going lower than I'd ever been before to actually finally get that to go and to eliminate that. And it's also one of the first places that it comes back when I put body fat on. So what I have found sometimes with my clients is they had that same stubborn area that they're just they're frustrated with, even when they feel like they're in shape everywhere else, they've got this lower bit of body fat they don't seem to get rid of.

Starting point is 00:57:14 And sometimes we just, we need to take the body to a new level of leanness that they've never seen so that it taps into that, utilizes that, and then gets rid of it. And so it did take me a few times of cutting before I actually eliminate all that. Yeah, one more thing I wanted to add. I've noticed too with some of my clients that have really tried to emphasize, the flat stomach and how that looks and everything else have been also noticed,

Starting point is 00:57:39 noticeably had an anterior pelvic tilt and arch in their back. And if that's something too that just posturally, if you're more conscious of that and more intentional with the way you carry yourself and engage your core and brace properly, that's something too just aesthetically, focusing on that will actually help a lot in terms of

Starting point is 00:58:01 you feeling like you're presenting yourself well. Yeah, at the end of the day, I would train the core a few days a week, I would do maybe, you know, two exercises each workout. Every day you could do a little bit of core if you wanted to, do the core stability movements. And then when it comes to the body fat, you know, like what Adam was saying, the first place

Starting point is 00:58:20 that you store body fats, always the last place that you're gonna lose it. So when people say it's stubborn, really it's just the last place your body decides to burn body. So it'll get lean everywhere else, except for its preferred area of storage, which just means you've got to get even leaner to get it off. And at which point, sometimes you've got to ask yourself, I mean, do I really want to get that lean?

Starting point is 00:58:39 You know, a little bit of body fats, okay, especially for women, they can get so lean that their hormones get thrown off, their metabolism really starts to get affected negatively in the pursuit of this body fat percentage that really isn't that healthy. So you also want to make sure that you're doing this the right way and that you've got a good relationship with your body. Yeah, absolutely. Now that's super helpful. It just is always like I see my body changing and leaning out in so many other areas,

Starting point is 00:59:08 like pretty quickly, which has been great, but that's just the one area and I probably don't train it enough. So that's definitely helpful. And I definitely do not do enough of this disability type movement and in my training. So that's great to know and very helpful. Awesome. Thank you, Nicole. Thanks for calling. Thanks, guys. Yeah, it's that we all have that one area.

Starting point is 00:59:34 Yeah. For me, my shoulders, arms and legs, I mean, they're always lean. I could get my body fat pretty high and I'll have shoulder strations. He's like,'m pretty much I'm pretty much I'm pretty much my shoulder My hands are on my finger Please It's my trunk my trunk my my my gut in my love handle area that that's where I'll store it

Starting point is 00:59:59 So I understand I have to get really this for that to go away, you know, I talk about Yeah, we haven't talked about this actually in a long time on the podcast. I know I shared it a lot earlier, especially when I was going through it, but this was one of those, there's been many things that when I went through the whole, you know, cutting down that lean, right,

Starting point is 01:00:17 getting ready for like competing and stuff, what it taught me or what it helped me to be a better coach. And this was something that I had heard so many times from clients, but had never really experienced it myself, which is that, you know, out of my feel like I'm really lean, but then I just can't get rid of this lower body, you know, lower pooch. And I had never seen that on myself until I did this. And I was like, what the hell? This doesn't make sense. I'm 7% body fat. I see I'm a more vascular. I'm leaner than I've ever been in my life, yet I still got this

Starting point is 01:00:46 body fat. And it did. It took about three times of pushing the levels of how lean I was before it finally, like eliminate. A couple interesting things to about that is hormones can affect fat storage. So high stress situations, you'll see sometimes more visceral body fat. And also body fat storage preference of the body might make you good at some things and worse it is.

Starting point is 01:01:10 What I mean by that is, what you tend to see with high level female athletes is they tend to store more body fat in their midsection than the average female. Now, it's not because they play sports. It's just their genetics, but it's beneficial for sports because if you do store body fat, you don't want to on your limbs if you're running, moving, and doing activities. Now, the reason why women store in a lower body to begin with typically is because it's a lower center of gravity and when they have a pregnant belly, it balances them out. Obviously, if they store everything in the belly and they were pregnant, it would make

Starting point is 01:01:39 them very, very unstable. So, body fat, the way you body stores body fat definitely can get affected by hormones. Your sex at birth affects it as well. But I mean, largely it's your genetics. And so, if you see a part of you that's not getting lean like you want, you might need to just get leaner. I also really like Justin's advice too about the posture because this was something that I didn't piece this together until later. And because I have that too, right? I have the Instagram, you know, but position going on, right? The arch and look back. Yeah, low back. And it's actually very common, right?

Starting point is 01:02:11 I mean, most clients suffered from this whether how excessive or not. But when you're in that position where your low back is arched like that, sticking your butt out, it does it, sticks the belly out. And just by you rotating the pelvis and activating your core, you see like your stomach flat now just from that.

Starting point is 01:02:29 So I think that's a great point too. Our next caller is Matt from Pennsylvania. Hey, Matt, how can we help you? Hey, guys, first of all, I discovered you guys like two months ago and I've been watching you all over and all the time. And like my YouTube feed is only mind-pump and nothing else so I really appreciate what you guys doing. Thank you. All right. So I'm originally from Slovakia and I played basketball from the very young age till I was about

Starting point is 01:02:57 22 and I always had a problem to gain some muscles. Obviously because I was running a lot, there were a lot of cardio. I stopped doing sports at all when I was about 22 and I moved to U.S. I ate very bad, I ate a lot of junk food because I thought that I just can't gain weight. So I wasn't paying attention at all. And in a span of like two or three years, I gained like 60 pounds. And I was, I'm like 6465. And when I was playing, I was like 180, 190. I couldn't go over 180. So I changed my diet. I stopped eating junk and trying to avoid soda and stuff like that. And I went down to like 210 and now I'm at 210 for like 2 or 3 years. I've been doing some like whole body workouts 3 days a week, but I can't take a consistent. And now I'm moving back to my country to Slovakia.

Starting point is 01:04:06 And I know that, because I'm going to be working from noon till evening basically. So now I know that I have the window from morning to noon, what I can start working out and pay attention to my diet. So basically my question was, I want to start one of your programs and I wanted to know which one would you guys recommend? And I have two little kids, so that's why I couldn't stay consistent for the whole time. So, first of all, I would like to know which one would you guys recommend? What should I be focusing on during the program you guys will recommend? And then, which is my main focus be as a as a hard gainer? Yeah. Okay. Good. Good question.

Starting point is 01:04:53 So I'll give you three tips that generally will give you the biggest bang for your buck. Right. In other words, these three things will make a pretty big difference for you. Number one is going to be to follow Maps and Obolic. That program was specifically designed for people who really want to build muscle who might find it challenging with other workout programs. Now, in Maps and Obolic, it recommends two or three foundational workouts a week. For you, do three foundational workouts a week. That means you may alternate workout one and work out two and some of the phases But then on the off days right on the days in between it's very important you do at least two or three trigger sessions

Starting point is 01:05:33 As explained in the program those make a huge difference. I think sometimes people Skip those because they still get great results with the program But they're missing out because the trigger sessions are very very very valuable. Now second piece of advice I'm gonna give you is gonna be to eat. Eat more than you think, okay? So you wanna eat a lot of calories. Eat foods that are easy to digest because you don't wanna encounter the bloat

Starting point is 01:05:57 or digestive issues that can sometimes happen with eating a lot of calories. So pick foods that digest very easily. Of course eat a lot of protein, but you're gonna have to jump your calories up, especially if you're a hard gainer, probably more than you think. And then the third thing would be to supplement with creating. Creating is going to benefit you quite a bit in the muscle department. And again, with maps at a ball, what you're focusing on is building general strength. I mean, the bottom

Starting point is 01:06:20 line is this, if you get stronger consistently over time, and you feed your body, you're going to build muscle. That's just the bottom line. How active are you in comparison to back when you were playing basketball and the job that you're starting that's a new, new, new, on? What's up? Yeah, and what's it like? That's what I forgot to mention. So I'm sitting at the office and I'm pretty inactive. I mean, on the weekends, I'm active because we go out with the kids and but during the day I'm sitting in the office and

Starting point is 01:06:52 Yeah, those days I'm inactive when I work out when I work out three times a week I would I would consider that active but I'm not really active and in the days when I don work out. And I forgot to mention also that at home, I'm doing my like a home gym or whatever it is. So I'm gonna have a squad rack and a barbell plates. I have some dumbbells and resistance bands. So this is what I... Perfect, so that's perfect for maps and a ball.

Starting point is 01:07:19 I'll add one little thing. So first of all, I mean, for a hard gainer, the new sedentary job will probably work in your favor a little bit. So, you know, I mean, for a hard gainer, the new sedentary job will probably work in your favor a little bit. So, you know, this is very similar to my story. I played basketball for a long time and I was moving around and burning calories like crazy. And when I finally switched to a job where I was sedentary, it may not be the best for overall health, but it definitely helped me in the hard gainer department because I was burning so many calories. I had to eat 5,000 a day, which I'm sure you know eating that many calories with all from healthy calories is tough to do where you now being in a more sedentary job, that'll probably

Starting point is 01:07:55 help you out. But I also would take that just to make sure this is where I see a lot of value in like step counters or fit bits or if you have an Apple watch or whatever, it's kind of track track your activity level and make a conscious effort on the days that you find yourself like you you mentioned weekends you tend to be more active. So I don't know if you still play pick up ball or you go do physical active things here and there but during the COVID I was enabled. So okay. So so it so you start tracking your movement and really use it Not to get hung up on the exact numbers that it says calories burned or how many steps But so just to get an idea of what a very active day looks like for you compared to a very sedentary day

Starting point is 01:08:37 And then make a conscious effort to boost the calories on those active days that will also help you But other than that I would follow the maps in a ball program to a tee. And just for my own question, have you ever done any specific exercises where you've limited it down to one to five reps and that was your entire focus? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did, but for the past couple of years, I've been doing like a full body workouts and I live in the apartment complex where we have a gym, but for the past couple of years, I've been doing like a full body workouts and I live in the apartment complex where we have a gym, but we don't have a parable. So pretty much what I was doing was a lot of dumbbells, body weight works, and some gym rings.

Starting point is 01:09:16 I love gym rings, so I did that. I bring that up just because like I know a lot of the tendencies for athletes and people like myself is to really keep going. And the rest periods are really tough to stick and lean into that. So to go through, especially that first phase of anabolic and stick to that protocol, and limit yourself to those five reps and really just focus on grinding your way through that, but then going through

Starting point is 01:09:45 those rest periods. Trust the process with that and really try to challenge yourself not to keep going ahead and pushing yourself. Matt, if you don't have maps at a ball, we're going to send that to you right now, okay? Oh, thank you so much. No problem, Matt. Thanks for calling, Matt. Yeah, um, you know that this in your question was great, Justin, because now it's kind of revealing how he's been working out, right? By way, in dumbbells. Yeah, kind of. Which is sense, which is it'll build muscle. It's built some muscle on him, but if you really wants to pack on the mass, he's going to have to really build strength. Barbells are great.

Starting point is 01:10:22 Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that because I almost recommended away from Anabal because I thought maybe he was following something very similar to Anabalca originally. Originally he was like, oh, a three day a week full body routine. I'm like, okay, that's very Anabalca-esque. Maybe we'll put him in powerlifter in a different direction. But knowing that he was doing body weight dumbbell work, he's missing out on one of the best parts of Anabalca,

Starting point is 01:10:41 which is phase one, which is a barbell, strength, heavy face. It's that new stimulus that's going to provide quite a bit, and he'll be shocked what that does. Yeah. Our next caller is Sandy from Florida. Hey Sandy, how can we help you? Hey, Sal, how are you? Good.

Starting point is 01:10:57 Good. Hey, so I have kind of a two-quarter question. I'm currently running the Maps aesthetic program. And my question is on the focus days, if I'm gonna build my legs more, should I do it on more than one focus day? Yeah, you could definitely do that. You could definitely do all the focus days

Starting point is 01:11:22 specific to one or two body parts to add more volume to your workouts. But, you know, here's the, here's the other thing too. A lot of times, and we hear, sometimes you get this from women, while they'll follow, maps aesthetic or maps in a ballac, and they'll say, you know, it's a more upper body work than lower body work, and here's why, you may have seen that way with certain programs. If you're doing X amount of volume per muscle group, then when you look at the

Starting point is 01:11:51 upper body, you have biceps, triceps, shoulders, chest, and back, with the lower body of quad-hand and glutes, right? So that's three body parts. So the reality is the volume is equivalent. It's just that there's fewer muscle groups in the lower body. I mean, even if you had calves, you still have less. So consider that as well, because what I have seen from people is that they feel like, oh, I got to do more volume. I say they add more volume without following the program, believing that it's going to get them there faster. And really, it's all about the the effective dose. And the effective dose is, it's perfect, right? More than that, you get there slower, less than that.

Starting point is 01:12:27 You get there slower. But again, maps aesthetic includes focus session days that allows you to add volume to whatever body parts that you wanna train. I mean, if legs are your focus, I also like making one day, like a quad day, one day a ham day, or do one that's sure. So, you don't have to necessarily do like a full leg routine

Starting point is 01:12:48 on both focus days. One focus day could be dedicated to more towards, the posterior chain, then one all the front, right? So you could split it like that. I love to do that if that's your main focus. But definitely if that's your main focus, I think you said, I think I saw that you, with back or back, you're doing it on the other one. So I would, I would go,

Starting point is 01:13:07 if legs are the main thing you're trying to bring up, make that the center piece of those focus days. And then how you split them, split it up is up to you. You can either do all glute hamstring and quads on both days, or you can go hamstring work, all hamstring and glutes all in one day. and then all quad work on the other day, which would be phenomenal too. And my other question is, I usually do lots of cardio. I was high intensity. I messed up my metabolism, I've floated down a lot. So I've cut down my cardio to three times a week. So I am doing cardio only on the three focused days a week, I do it first thing in the morning, fasted,

Starting point is 01:13:51 and then at lunchtime, I'll do my focus. So if Billy and developing the legs is a main focus, I definitely wouldn't be doing any sort of high intensity cardio in the morning. So hopefully the cardio you're talking about is steady state or walking. So that would be my- Yeah, I see you walking on the foundation days and then on the focus days, I'll just view the elliptical or on Saturdays, I'll just be like a two minute run, one minute walk

Starting point is 01:14:22 up to like 30 minutes. Okay, well that works. And consider, look, you said you overdid cardio before. I mean, you're doing okay amount of cardio now. There's, again, there's nothing wrong with it if you love it. But if your intention with the cardio is to, I got to do more of it to get leaner. Well, then you're, yeah, that approach isn't really that effective.

Starting point is 01:14:44 If it's, if it's all about that, then really it getting your yeah, that approach isn't really that effective if it's if it's if it's all about that Then really it's about your food intake and your resistance training I mean in maps aesthetic because of the focus days You're gonna be you're gonna be lifting weights five or six days a week. So you're working out quite a bit You would also be you'll be also it'd be far more beneficial to be focused on building the legs and limiting almost all cardio to walking or none hardly at all. And then switch in a month or two and build in cardio to lean out.

Starting point is 01:15:17 Trying to do all that cardio and also try and build your legs the same time. I mean, you're sitting a bit of a conflicting signal to your body. Do you want me to build or do you want me to break down and doing all that cardio and moving that much? You're going to tell the body to burn, burn, burn, and it's going to want to lean out.

Starting point is 01:15:34 Trying to do it simultaneously is really difficult. You'd be far better off focusing on building and developing the legs, reducing the amount of cardio that you're doing. Get to a place where you're like, oh wow, I feel like I've added an inch to my legs or my butt or whatever your focus area is. Now I want to lean out a little bit. Now let's start to introduce the cardio.

Starting point is 01:15:54 That would be a better strategy than trying to do it all together at the same time. Okay. Even if the cardio is like five to six hours apart, it's still, you still would recommend the same thing. Absolutely. Yeah, it's not, I mean, again, there's nothing necessarily wrong with, it's, I mean, if you enjoy it, it's great activity. But based on what you're coming from and what you're doing, what your goals are, I mean, you just focus on being active. You don't need to necessarily do structured cardiovascular workouts and then focus on nutrition. If you notice your body's not getting leaner, I would focus on,

Starting point is 01:16:27 but you did mention your metabolism was also slow because of what you had done before. You might wanna focus some dedicated time on boosting that, just build muscle for a while before even thinking about cutting. Get it up to a certain point to where your metabolism's roaring and then you cut from there And then you've got a great position to cut from otherwise you'll you get stuck in this like I cut

Starting point is 01:16:50 But then oh my gosh, I have to eat so little to maintain. This is not sustainable Then I gained the body fat and you're kind of on this hamster wheel Awesome, all right, thank you guys. Thank you. Yeah, I do that so Okay. Awesome. All right. Great. Thank you guys. Thank you. Awesome. Yeah. Do that. So so common with clients where, you know, they have like, I want to be lean, but I also want to build my legs. You know, it's like, well, you'd be far better off focusing on one or the other and in and putting all your energy towards building the metabolism, building the legs up, developing those like the original part of the beginning of this question, and then eliminating all that cardio. And if you're somebody who like Sal was alluding to,

Starting point is 01:17:28 you were a cardio junkie before. So if she was my client, I wouldn't let her do any cardio. Yeah, just trying to break down. I let her walk, right? So I wouldn't be like, oh, don't move now. But I would say, hey, we already know that this is something that you struggle with.

Starting point is 01:17:42 We don't need it, you're trying, we're trying to build, we're trying to build your legs, build your metabolism. We don't need it. We're trying to build. We're trying to build your legs, build your metabolism. So it has no real place in our program right now. So let's eliminate any sort of hit interval training like she's doing right now for cardio. You can walk if you enjoy that and that's part of your day. You strengthen that signal more.

Starting point is 01:18:00 The need is that we need to build muscle in that general direction. And it doesn't mean that those focus sessions are really intense because it's pretty moderate the intensity. Really, it's restorative. And it's also sending and repeating that signal that this part of your body really needs to come up and develop. Yeah, I think I've run into clients like this where it's not necessarily that they love all the workouts, but rather they fear what will potentially happen.

Starting point is 01:18:27 That's right. If they're not doing all this activity, I mean, I've, I've worked, there was people I've worked with that took me years to slowly work it off, because they were so afraid, what's gonna happen when I don't do my, you know, 20 miles a week of running or what's gonna happen when I don't work out

Starting point is 01:18:42 every single day, but little by little, I know, I wear them out and they eventually cut it. And then all of a sudden, they're like, well, I'm getting lean and it's easy. And my body wants to stailing. Like this is super weird. What's going on? It's like, well, because we're now working with the body rather than against it. Our next caller is Frank from Washington.

Starting point is 01:19:00 Hey, Frank, how can we help you? Hey, how's it going, guys? Good. All right. I just want to say I'm a big fan of you guys and you really Sent me in a 180 on what I thought I knew on health and fitness. So thank you for all your content. It's really changed me I was diagnosed with low testosterone recently. well a couple months like January. So I started

Starting point is 01:19:26 with anabolic like you guys have suggested in your your podcast and it went really well. And now I'm in aesthetic and I actually like it better than that. But I've noticed that I need a little bit more recovery and I've kind of developed some elbow pain. So I've kind of swapped going from like a foundational workout every other day. I'll do like a foundational and then do like two foggy stays and then the foundational. And I'm wondering if that's really gonna affect the programming while I try to figure out how to deal with recovery and this elbow pain.

Starting point is 01:20:14 Yeah, no, that's a great question. So, and thank you so much for following us. So, Maps aesthetic has a, it's written in a similar way to Maps adabolic in terms of its structure, but it's a lot more volume. It's a lot more volume in maps aesthetic. It's a very advanced program in comparison to maps adabolic.

Starting point is 01:20:36 Now what you're doing is fine. In fact, we encourage people listen to their body and try to find ways to modify the programs to really suit themselves. Obviously, when we create these programs, we're writing them for the masses. So if I were training you personally, there would be some changes that I would make. Now, I will make a suggestion,

Starting point is 01:20:54 what you're doing is okay, but I think I might have a better option for you. And rather than spreading out the foundational workouts, maintain the same level of frequency that we recommend in the program, and just cut the volume down by about a third. Just take a third of the sets off of the workout. So if the exercise is asking for nine sets

Starting point is 01:21:18 for one body part, bring it down to six sets. Give that a shot, because I think the frequency is a good thing. It's probably the volume. It's probably the volume that's causing the problem. I also want to add, again, to echo it south, I don't think that what you're doing is wrong. I think there's some other things if you were a client of mine that I would address. You would definitely, I would have you on Maps Prime Pro. This is how I would use it. Let's address your elbow pain. You probably feel like golfers elbow going on.

Starting point is 01:21:47 So we would look at your shoulder and wrist mobility. And that's the way Maps Prime Pro is designed is for you to look at all these major joints. So there's stuff for the wrist, there's stuff for the shoulders. And I would actually build that into your focus days. So like your focus days would now become a little more mobility driven

Starting point is 01:22:05 to address the aches and pains that you're having. I would use Maps Prime Pro to complement what you're doing. And then if you still were feeling issues and not getting beyond the aches and chronic pain, then I would go to what Salisang and reduce the volume a bit. But I definitely would include Prime Pro though into what you're doing. I was going to bring that up and echo that too, in terms of like really trying to incorporate that in your strategy. One thing to bring up too,

Starting point is 01:22:31 when we do kind of stack these programs together, the reason why we have a suggestion of even going through maps performance, and then maps aesthetic is because of what we're addressing with rotation, with joint function, with multi-planner type movements, that a lot of times, a lot of these programs in the gym, we're trying to build and develop muscles specifically, but we're not articulating our joints to the full extent.

Starting point is 01:22:59 And so this is something that now can sort of hit to a tipping point where you're gonna only have so much progress because you've been loading it the same way and doing the same types of movements. We need to change that. So we need to add a few of those extra movements, those rotational movements. So if you're doing presses, I suggest also

Starting point is 01:23:19 to add some rotation in those presses. Such a good point, Justin. There's a lot of our audience that obviously hasn't been listening since the beginning. And when we created maps and a ball, like maps performance and maps aesthetic, we created them with the intent that 99% of the people would follow them in that order.

Starting point is 01:23:38 And so when we wrote the programming and we thought about the things that we're going to go into the second program, that's exact. What you're going through was what we were trying to prevent from happening. Is maps in a ball is very much so you know focused in the same plane, strength, build strength, build a metabolism, phenomenal starter program. But then after that, if you are a client of mine, we've been training for three or four months. I know that I need to start doing some unilateral work, multi plan orar stuff, like Justin is saying,

Starting point is 01:24:06 addressing joint mobility, working on range of motion, and that's why that program is heavily focused on that. That's why we built mobility days in on the opposite of foundation days, was we were trying to address this exact issue, and this is what sometimes happens when someone does like an anabolic program, and they go right to like either aesthetic or go to strong or go to power lift and they

Starting point is 01:24:28 go to these these programs that are heavily focused on building strength and muscle without addressing joint mobility. So in a perfect world, you actually would have went anabolic performance and then aesthetic and I actually would bet that you wouldn't be dealing with some of the stuff you're dealing with in your elbow. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I didn't pick that up from watching you guys, so that makes a lot of sense to me. Alright, Frank, so how far along are you in Maps aesthetic? I just finished week three. Okay, so if you want, there's two things we could do.

Starting point is 01:24:59 Either one, you could take my advice, cut the volume down by a third, and we'll send you Maps Prime Pro or the second option. one, you could take my advice, cut the volume down by a third, and we'll send you Maps Prime Pro or the second option. If you don't have Maps Performance, you're actually totally fine switching straight to Maps Performance right now. You're only three weeks in. Just go to Maps Performance. And if you don't have that program, I'll send that over to you. Which option do you want to do? Well, I think I want to go back and try it performance because the elbow pain is there, but it's, you know, once I start get lifting, it kind of subdues.

Starting point is 01:25:34 It mostly hurts when I'm not lifting. Got it. All right. We're going to send over maps for him as to it. And if you don't have it and just follow that, just jump right into it. Phase one. Okay. And it's it's it's very different you're still gonna build muscle but what you're gonna get is a

Starting point is 01:25:48 lot better mobility and movement then you can go back to maps aesthetic and you might be singing a different story at that point that's right keep us posted on your journey I'd like to hear how this goes for you sure yeah I would love to yeah and again you guys thank so much. You really had an impact on my trajectory. So thanks again. Thanks for all of that. Thanks man. Thanks, thank you.

Starting point is 01:26:11 I'm so glad you brought that up, Justin, because, you know, and we got to get better about this. And maybe this, maybe Doug, this is something that we need to create. You know, we forget this. Like the perfect way to go. Yeah, a lot of people don't bring that up enough. We don't know that.

Starting point is 01:26:24 I mean, we've written so many programs since then. They just think that, that's right. They just pick, pick the one that's my favorite when we actually, we put a lot of effort into what would the first year of training really look like for a client and that what we were presenting that message early on all the time. But if you came in in the last two or three years

Starting point is 01:26:43 and you didn't hear all that previous stuff, you don't know that. And so you just assume, I'll pick the program that's my favorite when we actually wrote them in an order to go in that sequence. I mean, this was a big concern when we created a lot of our programs.

Starting point is 01:26:55 I mean, I remember when we wrote Maps Hit. You know, we were like, okay, I think it's okay to create Maps Hit now and let's make sure we communicate to people that they need to do these other things first. And, you know know and this again This is because we were trainers for a long time. We're not just you know fit guys that wanted to create workouts for people to buy and Follow what we wanted it. We're trainers. So we go into this like trainers would and there definitely is a superior order of operation

Starting point is 01:27:21 So for this exact reason, I mean, I love that I love that we landed somebody like this. I could see someone just going, maps in a ball like maps aesthetic, maps split, and then, you know, coming up with a lot of these issues. That happens a lot because especially if you're and I, I mean, shoot, it would have if, if I was a listener and I came in at this time, I would, I'm not a, I'm not drawn to the performance program. I'm not like, I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not playing sports right now. I'm not, that doesn't appeal to me. I'm more, I'm more of not playing sports right now. I'm not, that doesn't appeal to me. I'm more of the aesthetic driven guy. So I would look at our programs go like,

Starting point is 01:27:48 well, maps in a box, that looks like something I like or maps of static, yeah, maps split. Okay, maybe maps strong. But performance, it wouldn't even register that that's a program for me. Until you hear why we wrote it and why it was the second program, there was this exact intent

Starting point is 01:28:04 because this is exactly what happens to somebody who trains for four, five, six months straight and doesn't address any sort of mobility work. It's very, very common. I can't sneak up on you. That's right. Our next color is Anthony from California.

Starting point is 01:28:19 Hey, what's up, Anthony? How can we help you? Hey, guys, how's it going? Good. So recently, I just finished a powerlifting competition and I used your guys as maps power lift. And pretty much that's the way I've been training most of my life. I kind of use your guys's program to tweak it a little bit and do my own programming. But in December, I'm looking to get into the Sheriff's Academy. So I'm trying to change my programming a little bit.

Starting point is 01:28:52 So I can focus on more like endurance type training, losing some body fat, you know, getting used to doing body weight exercises. But I find that that's really hard for me to do that. Like mentally, I can't get over the fact that I'm going to lose on my strength. I'm going to get weak and skinny. So I find myself always reverting back to doing heavy weight and low reps. Like the other day in the gym, I was trying to squat and I was like,

Starting point is 01:29:09 okay, I'm gonna keep it light. And I ended up going way too hard and I couldn't walk for the next four days. So how would you get over that mental block of? I know I'm gonna get weaker, but it's for a purpose and the long run. And how would you program it? Because my only idea is just to do a bunch of reps,

Starting point is 01:29:25 and a bunch of reps, and to do a bunch of cardio, and do a hit style training, and don't eat, and it's just not working for me. So I was wondering what your guys' input would be. Yeah, no, pretty sure we'd all be friends. Yeah, I know. Very common amongst the students. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:38 I totally understand what you're going through. So I mean, okay, so here's one strategy that could help, is you gotta take that focus that you have on on strength and put it on another physical pursuit. So rather than say, I'm going to be super strong. Be like, I want to be able to move better. I want to be able to move laterally. I want to be able to be more explosive. I want to be able to rotate, rotate better. You said you're going to be a sheriff. So first off, thank you for doing that. I think what you guys do is tremendous and very valuable. But the skills that are required to do a good job as a sheriff, physically speaking, are much more than just strength.

Starting point is 01:30:15 In fact, if all you did was power lift, you can find yourself in a bad position. If you haven't encountered that long, you know, last longer than, you know, 30 seconds, right? So you need to have mobility, you need to have some speed, some strength endurance. And so, number one, use that same focus that you have on strength and focus on movement, range of motion, speed, explosiveness, maybe some stamina. The perfect program that I would put you in,

Starting point is 01:30:41 I think that would be great, would be maps performance. I think a maps performance workout program for you is gonna get you Where you want to go performance wise and then as far as getting leaners concerned? That's always diet. It's always a diet component and Do it slow right? So do a slow cut like the slower yeah, you do the cut the less you know strength or performance You'll end up losing if you do the cut, the less strength or performance, you'll end up losing. If you do an aggressive cut, you'll definitely lose weight faster, but then you'll notice some negatives in terms of performance.

Starting point is 01:31:11 I like map strong here too. If you go performance, which I don't disagree with, because I think that's great advice. Performance to strong will be phenomenal. The reason why strong came to mind when I was listening to you was because that one of the I think my favorite parts and brilliance of that program was The first phase is 20 reps. Yeah, and most people it's a gasser Yeah, most people and then the the work sessions are like intense So you talk about building stamina durability and then challenging somebody who is used to working in the five rep range loves chasing strength and challenging somebody who is used to working in the five rep range loves chasing strength.

Starting point is 01:31:45 Good luck doing that with 20 reps. And so, and a lot of people aren't ready for that curveball for that program. They think, oh, it's a strong man focused program. I'm gonna be lifting all these like heavy stones once or twice and it's, no, that's not the way the program begins. And so I love strong and or performance for sales reasons

Starting point is 01:32:03 followed by strong. I do, yeah, I mean, I would definitely try to suggest as a prerequisite to go through performance just because, you know, the movement and, you know, the agility side of the job and all that is really a big consideration for the long term. So, you know, like in terms of like thinking immediately what I want, I want to be strong,

Starting point is 01:32:23 but I also want to have this explosive, big gas tank and everything, which strong would definitely provide. But let's protect the joints, let's move better, let's get used to multiple planes of movement and being strong and powerful and then build up endurance. And then now we're really hammering the gas tank.

Starting point is 01:32:39 So I like to combo the jet. Yeah, because if you go straight to strong after only doing power lifting for a long time, the risk of injury can get up there, right? Yeah. Maps performance, plus maps performance is the only program that we have where we actually structured in explosive training. The last phase in maps performance, you're doing explosive type training. And I tell you what, and it's great because it builds you up to that. And I tell you what, like, and it's great because it builds you up to that. I'll tell you what, that explosive capacity,

Starting point is 01:33:08 there's nothing more applicable to what you're gonna do than that. You can be strong as hell, but when you're explosive and strong, you're very, very effective. And mass performance builds you up to that point, and then that last phase really incorporated. And to address the cut,

Starting point is 01:33:21 I actually think that just switching to that type of programming, you're gonna probably lean out. Yeah. I mean, the amount of movement that is in that program with the mobility days in addition to that, like, and if you're used to more of a powerlifting type of program, long, rest periods, heavy lifts, you know, this will be a total shock. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:41 You might just naturally lean out from that. So what I tried to do, because like I said, I tried to do my own programming, but like the first day I tried to do it, and I was like, oh, I heard them say to do hit. So I got on the assault bike, and like 10 minutes in, I felt like I was gonna vomit. So I was like, okay, well, let's do some steady state. So then I just get into that all or nothing mode,

Starting point is 01:33:57 and I ran over three and a half miles, and then today I'm trying to walk, and all my joints are aching and talking to me. So it's like that mentality I have is just like, you know, it's all or nothing, you know, all go. And it's just that's that's what I'm having that the the complications of the problem is trying to follow the programming and work my way into it

Starting point is 01:34:14 versus just saying, okay, now we're just gonna start just running as long as we can and doing, you know, 20 minutes of hit on the assault bike and making yourself throw up. You know, you also pointed something else, Anthony. I think it's important. You have the self awareness to know that you have this tendency to kind of go all or nothing guy.

Starting point is 01:34:30 And so even though we encourage you to modify and change the program, you would actually be somebody that I would challenge you to follow it to a T. I would say you go very specific with what we have written out. And like, don't even sway at all. Yeah, you don't do person. Don't even sway at all. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. Let me throw everything at my body, but the kitchen sink approach.

Starting point is 01:34:49 Be methodical. You'll get there faster if you do it this way. You'll get there faster and more effectively if you're methodical. So if you don't have maps, if you don't have maps for formats, we're going to send that to you. Once you get the program, you'll like phase one. Phase one is, you know, it's still got the different movements,

Starting point is 01:35:04 but it's got that strength component But then as you get into phase two three and and so on it gets very very different So start that program follow it to a tee And then watch what happens to how you feel and how you move yeah Oh, I will think guys. Yeah, I have your maps powerlips maps anywhere and I'm doing some of the maps anywhere Core stuff because like I said I neglected my core for a long time, but yeah, I'm super stuck. I'll definitely do the maps performance. All right perfect. We're sending it over Austin. Thank you guys. No problem

Starting point is 01:35:35 That's really hard to get out of your own way Yeah, I mean I get stuck in that shit. I love well, and he's you know We encourage people to modify their program. And he's sound like he's a smart enough guy that he can do it himself, but here's an example of why you should follow it to a T, you know, which is typically what we tell most everybody is, follow it one time to a T, like to really like trust the program in the process because there's things in there that we probably thought about that maybe you don't even realize and programed in there that we want you to do so you can feel and see the benefits of

Starting point is 01:36:07 it. And so I would challenge him to follow performance to an absolute T. And then maybe when you go back through it another time, you can start to modify and play. Plus, I mean, if you have that tendency, you know, sometimes you get in your own way. So if it's if it's written in the program, like, well, I know I wanna do what I always do, but I gotta follow what the program says. So it's sometimes a good thing to let go, have someone else create the workout for you,

Starting point is 01:36:32 and then you just follow it, because you know what you're telling me. So you're already disciplined and you have the hype, now just put it in the right direction that's already laid out for you. But I would generally say for law enforcement, generally speaking, maps, performance would be the probably generally the best program for them to follow.

Starting point is 01:36:51 And then strong would probably be a pretty close follow. So long as they have decent mobility, close second. All right, look, if you like our content, you gotta go over to MindPumpFree.com. We got all kinds of free stuff that you can download. Tons of stuff that you can download. Nothing cost a dime on that site. MindPumpFree.com go ahead over there. Also, you can find all of us on Instagram, so you can find Justin at MindPump Justin, me at MindPump Salon, Adam at MindPump Adam.

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