Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1564: The Benefit of Multiple Short Workouts Throughout the Day, How to Overcome Chronic Hip Pain, Ways to Maintain Cardio While Training for Muscle & Strength & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Right today's episode, we did live questions, so people actually called in, and we helped them out live on air. By the way, if you want to do that, email your question to live at minepupmedia.com. Okay, but the way we open

Starting point is 00:00:32 the episode is with the 40-minute intro. We talk about current events, bring up scientific studies, we have a lot of fun. So the first 40 minutes is that. After that, we got to the live questions. Also, real quick, I want to let everybody know that today we're having a Memorial Weekend special. It's a summer bundle of at-home exercise equipment. So you get suspension trainer, glue band, ab wheel, a gym flag. This is a mind pump gym flag. Yeah, represent.

Starting point is 00:00:58 All discounted, you can find this at mindpumpstore.com. All right, so here's how we open the episode. We talk about Grop out, you know, that Italian drink that burns your face. I haven't had it. And then we talked about our trip to Hawaii and why we're gonna probably need to bring Z-biotics. I'm gonna use Smash.

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Starting point is 00:01:32 It's pretty crazy. Go check them out. It's almost magic. Go to zbiotics.com. That's zbiotis.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code, mine pump at checkout for 10% off. Then we talk about a company that thought we really wanted to work with them and told us why they wouldn't work with us.

Starting point is 00:01:51 And it's kind of silly. This work fitness thing is getting a little weird range. Then I brought up an article from 1935 about a shark that threw up a person's arm. Yeah, real relevant article and helped them solve a murder mystery. Then we had a debate faith versus science. So you'll wanna listen in to that part of the episode. I had fun moderating that one. Then Justin brought up his number one cult of all time.

Starting point is 00:02:14 They actually had the leading score for deaths. Heaven's Gate. Yeah, they're number one everybody. Really crazy. Then I gave a talked about more creatine benefits shown in studies, that was pretty cool. Then we talked about more creatine benefits shown in studies. That was pretty cool. Then we talked about a new weighted blanket from chili.

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Starting point is 00:02:49 That's CHILI-S-L-E-E-P.com-forge-sache. Mind pump, check out our exclusive offer. It's the best one you'll find anywhere. Then we got into the questions. The first question was asked by Olivia from Canada. She plays football and wants some advice on how to improve her performance. The next question was Sean from California. He just finished training and competing in half Iron Man wanted some advice on how to build

Starting point is 00:03:15 some muscle and strength and continue training. The next question was from Kelly from Mississippi. This person has been working out for a long time. Then got a strange autoimmune issue. She actually goes into detail once some advice on how she can continue training. The fourth question was John from Arizona. He's a 52 year old PE teacher who wants to work out

Starting point is 00:03:36 twice a day, wants to divide up his workout into two halves. He wants to know if he should just cut the workout in half, do one half in the morning, one half at night, or just do half the sets in the morning, half the sets in the evening. So same workout, just half the sets. Actually, I had a great discussion that part of the episode. Then the final question was from Damien from Minnesota. This person's actually done a lot of our programs.

Starting point is 00:03:58 Is a personal trainer, has strange hip flexor pain, wanted some advice. Also, maps aesthetic and our extreme fitness bundle are both 50% off, so they're both on sale. You can find them at mapsfitinistproducts.com. Just use the code MaySpecial with no space for that discount. That's how they do it in Europe, right? I mean, that's sort of the M.O. I think it is. They do less binge drinking. They do less binge drinking, and? I mean, that's sort of the M.O. I think it is. They do less than-

Starting point is 00:04:25 They do less binge drinking, and they think it's because kids grow up around it. So it's not like that. It's not novel, it's not bad, you know what I'm saying? That's the kind of conversation behind it. Or you could do what my grandfather did when we would be over there for Sunday dinner or whatever. He'd bring us downstairs,

Starting point is 00:04:38 and he'd bring my cousin and I down there, and we were like, I don't know, 10, and he'd go, hey, you guys could be here. Let me show you something. And we'd go with this broom and then he closed the door, so it's all quiet, we're like, what's going on? Try a little bit of this. And he'd pour like, we don't know what it was. He's like, try this.

Starting point is 00:04:51 He shot. He'd watch us. And it was fucking grappa. Like, what, like, you guys ever have grappa? Yes. What is grappa? Bro, it is liquid fire. It's like pure burning alcohol. So when you're 10, you're like,

Starting point is 00:05:05 oh, any laugh, ah, ah, ah. Yeah, he skims some wild turkey, like 151. Well, let's, let's crop, I've never even heard of that. You never had crop up? No, no, no, what is it? What type of, is it a liquor, obviously? It's just hella strong liquor that burns your face. I don't know how it's-

Starting point is 00:05:18 You don't know what kind though, is dug, do you know what? It's made from grapes. It's made from grape skins, I think. Okay, yeah, yeah. But it's, and it's supposed to be really strong. It's highly concentrated. It's hella, skins, I think. Okay. But it's, and it's supposed to be really strong. It's highly concentrated. It's hell-wuk, it's like, ever-

Starting point is 00:05:27 Everclear strong? I mean, is that what we're talking about? That's strong, but it's like vodka strong at least. What's the other really popular Italian one, the taste kinda like lemon? Oh, lemon cello? Yeah, don't let kids try that. You'll love it.

Starting point is 00:05:42 See, that's why, yeah, I'm like, don't let them know that like someone tastes You gotta give him all the bad stuff like beer just like I remember it's a we forever like beer Yeah beer and wine lemon cello you store it in the freezer Yeah, and you store the glasses in the freezer. No, that's just like candy. Do you guys ever have? It's called what's called for net for net bronca, I think it's called. It's like this after dinner, they call it a digestive. You ever have those with it,

Starting point is 00:06:09 it helps you digest or whatever? No. Have you heard of these? No, no, no. So it's got like, it's definitely an alcohol, but then it's got certain plants in there that are supposed to help you digest. And you know what, dammit, it fucking works.

Starting point is 00:06:22 It's really weird. I had someone my cousin's house over the weekend. He gave me a little shot of it afterwards and I, maybe it's it fucking works. It's really weird. Like I had some of my cousins house over the weekend. He gave me a little shot of it afterwards, and maybe it's just because it's strong and I get a little buzz. Well, I feel that about them. No, I feel that about the, the Moscow meal, I feel like makes my gut feel better.

Starting point is 00:06:35 People, the touting, it's got to be what it is, right? It's having that quality forever. Like a shot of gin a day is supposed to be really good for your gut according to Jim Manif, or gin a fashion. Yeah, this is good for your gut according to Jim many, or Jim has some interest. So the Gropba, what it is, is a blend of grape seed, stalks, and stems left over from wine making.

Starting point is 00:06:52 And it contains 37.5 to 60% alcohol by volume. It's like the chicken nuggets out of a hole. What do you mean? Yeah, kind of like that. Chicken nuggets. Gropba. The chicken nuggets. So it's very strong. So it would hire me for advertising.

Starting point is 00:07:06 I mean, like, what is that? 120 proofs? Is that what they do? You get all left over. That is, I'm so. I'm so. 60%. It's freaking hot.

Starting point is 00:07:14 That's how that works. Yeah, and the first time he gave it to us, he thought it was hilarious. The second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, tenth time, right? Because we go over there. He'd make us. No, no, no, you have something right now. Like, come on, no, no, burns my face. That's okay.

Starting point is 00:07:26 Well, my grandpa would take me to this pool hall and, you know, they'd all give me one of these like huge stogies to smoke. And I was only like 10 or something. Yeah. With a different generation. Oh my God. I would turn green. Like I was just like, because I didn't know that you just puff it and side in up like inhale it. I was just like, because I didn't know that you just puff it and so I ended up like inhaling. I was like, threw up. But yeah, I wanted to be cool, because I was there with a much old, you know, rough guys. I remember the first time my mom made me smoke a cigarette and it made me, because I asked, right?

Starting point is 00:07:54 I wanna, let me try. So now you have to finish. Yeah, yeah, that was the deal. It was like, okay, if I let you try this, you gotta have the whole thing. Okay. That's something a great idea. Like when you're a kid trying to get it, right?

Starting point is 00:08:02 I thought was like, seventh or eighth grade, something like that. Yeah. Oh, I remember throwing right? I thought was I like seventh or eighth grade something like that Yeah, oh, I remember throwing up afterwards. It was so terrible never wanted. Yeah, I remember thinking like dude Why do people like this? This is disgusting. That's a it's a good strategy. Yeah Speaking of does work speaking of alcohol and now we're going to Hawaii together. Yeah, and that's gonna be a lot of alcohol We need there's gonna be lava flowing. Oh, do not, please do not forget, we need to have Z-Biotics there.

Starting point is 00:08:30 I do not wanna do that. Are they re-stocked? Doug, do you know if they're re-stocked? I know that, man, they sold out last month. I know, it's been high. I don't know if I, I think they're still waiting list at least, but let me double check. Yeah, because I don't know if I told you guys this,

Starting point is 00:08:44 I know you guys don't pay attention sometimes to this stuff, but they put our advertising on hold for like pre-order still. Oh, yep. Dude, get some. You know what? It's one of those things that you try it. You know, do you guys remember trying all the stuff

Starting point is 00:08:58 of the liquor stores that claim that stuff? I mean, I tried a bunch of the pills and the little drinks that they say it's supposed to cure hangovers Kind of work, but like even then like Advil was better None of them are none of them work for me and nothing this is like completely different Nothing worked as well as the the concoction that Sal used to make for us first So that was that was it was cocaine Charcoal just kidding cocaine helps bring you back. Yeah, you'll feel better

Starting point is 00:09:23 Just kidding it was it was It was charcoal electrolytes and was advella for once. Yes. I'll give it to you. No, no, no. Zeybatics is on a whole different level. A lot of people don't know the origin story of how we actually worked with them. There was an article that I read on the podcast

Starting point is 00:09:39 because the author was like, this stuff is crazy and it's weird and how it works. And I read the science. I'm like, this is remarkable. Then Zio-Arux contacted us because they saw boosts and sales because we talked about. Yeah, our audience responded right away. Then they sent us samples and we literally tested it.

Starting point is 00:09:54 We tested it twice, once in private, and another time we videotaped it, it's the famous drinking game that we did. Oh my God, I can't believe we did that. And I'm telling you, it's so effective, it's dangerous because now I enjoy drinking occasionally. Where's before I just forget it? Nothing, I feel like shit afterward.

Starting point is 00:10:09 Not was about it, it's not a feel-cated after. So speaking of partners, you guys just remind me, something I have to share with you that happened this morning, it was just kind of laughing about it, because I think Sal, you were the one that asked me to start looking for a partnership with meals delivered to your house like the type of deal. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:28 And so I've reached out to quite a few companies, and I'm just in that process of like courting and trying to see who we really like and reading up on the company. And this company reached out to me on Instagram, like maybe I don't know, like a month ago or so. And I just glanced at it and said, okay, this looks interesting enough. I kind of like what I see. So I sent it over to Katrina

Starting point is 00:10:50 to follow up and say, give me on a phone call with the CEO and stuff. And then I can ask some questions and we could start the courting process or whatever. And so she calls me this one. I want my way to work. And she goes, hey, did hey, did you call or reach out to that company, eat to evolve? And I go, what do you mean? I said, I sent it over to you to follow up so I could start the conversation. And she goes, yeah, I know, they sent me an email this morning

Starting point is 00:11:17 about rescinding an offer. And I'm like, I didn't make an offer. I don't even know if there's somebody we want to work with. I just said, I'll get to take a call so we can start the conversation. She goes, really? And I go, yeah, no, she goes, what about sound? I said, no, saldened do that.

Starting point is 00:11:29 I said, he got a message from them, sent it over to me. And I said, yeah, I already reached out to them. I'm going to have a conversation with them. And she's like, are you sure? Are you sure you guys didn't say anything or do you think? And I'm like, no, she goes, because I've never had somebody respond. I said, well, ask. I said, send back to them.

Starting point is 00:11:43 I said, what's the deal? Like, we didn't even send an offer. We didn't say we're going to work with you guys. Why would you send an offer? Like, just to get some click. Cause I said, you know what, maybe it's a misunderstanding. Maybe they think you're another company or what are like that.

Starting point is 00:11:54 And she just text message me this. So I get this email back. Let me read it to you guys. You guys, you're going to crack up when you hear this. Oh no. Okay. Well, no, I just, I, what'd you do Adam? I, well, you're actually funny.

Starting point is 00:12:04 What did I do? No, no, funny you say of me, right? So it says, um, no, no, I just I What'd you do Adam? I probably actually funny. What did I do? No, no, funny you say of me, right? So it says, hi Katrina, I decided to rescind my offer after taking a closer look at Adam's Instagram, which I'm glad I did, which I'm going like me. Like, yeah, that's a sell thing, right?

Starting point is 00:12:18 I haven't seen anything else. Like really, like, I don't know, I don't feel like I'm that bad, right? So in October, like she dug in, right? So back in October, Adam posted a quote unquote social justice warriors video. Oh, no! As a, listen, at Cartoon, yes.

Starting point is 00:12:34 As a person of color, I do not feel comfortable entering into a working relationship with him. As someone who clearly values his right to voice his views, I'm sure Adam will appreciate me exercising my right to voice mine. Best regards. Oh wow. Do you know what that is? You know that?

Starting point is 00:12:49 That cartoon. It was a pure satire. Yeah, Andrew, you have to post the, post the cartoon up so people can see. I mean, I, I, and by the way, I don't think the entire, and my caption does, I don't think the whole thing. Wait, who the hell gets a fent, first of all, it's a, it's satire. Yeah. It's total joke and it's not even making fun of good people.

Starting point is 00:13:07 It's not making fun of people of color. It's just the fanaticism around being a social justice world. So, okay, so that, okay, I'm glad you said that, because that was the first thing that came to mind. I was like, what does, you, be you being a person of color, have anything to do with the, I wasn't even braving the video. By the way, anytime somebody opens up a conversation and says,

Starting point is 00:13:28 as a man, as a woman, as a person of whatever, as a whatever, you can almost guarantee the rest of it is, they identify so strongly with an immutable characteristic that you know the rest of the message is going to be dumb. Yeah. Your opinion, of course, should be based off of your experiences, but you're immutable characteristics, like, okay, like, didn't we learn that lesson?

Starting point is 00:13:49 Like, I don't know, decades ago, that we don't make that our entire identity, that's crazy, but that's a cartoon, that's so weird. I mean, I'm so glad we're not pursuing them now, but I just, it's like, to skim though, like, and just get like the most surface of surface view of your character, and just make that assumption right away. Speaks a lot.

Starting point is 00:14:08 And I've done a lot more offensive shit than that. Yeah, for sure. All anybody has to do is listen to three podcasts to know that we're... You could do that to anybody, is my point. That's a bit petty. Yeah, that just seems crazy to me that that would be a deterrent for something that could help.

Starting point is 00:14:24 Well, a lot of people, I was telling Katrina, because she's like, whatever, she's like, we know, obviously you wouldn't want to work with a company anyways, I was like, yeah, but I'm like, you know what's interesting to me is like, I know that the owners are two guys, so it's not the owners that are responding back to me. I'm like, this is somebody who works for them.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Like, I would be pissed if one of our employees was having an interaction with a company that I might potentially want to work with, especially of the size that we are in the fitness and health space. Also what we stand for, just that's so opposite of what we, I know, it's totally opposite.

Starting point is 00:14:54 That is really, really insane and stupid. But I will say this, I'm glad because we have a criteria, I don't know if this will be for our audience. Obviously you guys know what our criteria is, but we have a criteria for our partners that we work with. And of course, number one, one of the criteria is we have to like their product or their service and we have to use it. It's not just that we like it. We also have to use it. Otherwise, it's hard to talk about. So we have to really believe in their product. But then there's more.

Starting point is 00:15:20 One of the other criteria is we have to really like the people that we're working with. I don't care. Your product could cure cancer. If I hate you, it's gonna be hard to work with you because it's hard to work with partners that you don't like. And here's some of the criteria the people that we like to work with. You gotta be thick skinned. You gotta be able to have good discussion, good debate. You gotta believe in good things, good people. And you gotta have, you know, good, I guess good moral compass.

Starting point is 00:15:46 And so this person to me sounds very much like they're looking for problems that don't exist off of one post that was satire that you didn't even create, you reposted, which is ridiculous. So it's like, would you even wanna imagine listening to our podcast and trying to pick it every little comment and joke.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Imagine what's in my memes that I post every single day with you. I know that's why, when she said it, I thought for sure I was gonna get something that you did. I'm like, well, I tell Salah time, I mean, those memes, if they don't know you, you know what I'm saying, they're gonna get really offended, but that was for me, dude. I was like, you know what I feel like too,

Starting point is 00:16:18 I feel like, you know, it's like the girl who told me, I don't wanna go out with you, and I never asked you out. Yeah, I didn't even ask you out yet. How can you turn me down? You know what I'm saying? Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Like, fuck you.

Starting point is 00:16:30 I didn't even, I did not even ask you out. You're already like breaking up with me. That's not even possible. Like, whoa. Yeah, I thought that was really funny. Wow. Interesting, pretty. Yeah, that's so weird.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. Yeah, look, this, you know, it's a market. Terrible, couple. They can choose who they want to work with and who they don't. But man, if I was the owner, I'd be like, uh. Well, that's where I, as you know, as a CEO, this is, you know, it's a market. Terrible. They can choose who they want to work with and who they don't, but man, if I was the owner, I'd be like, uh, well, that's where I, as a CEO, I go,

Starting point is 00:16:49 but have you listened to that? Man, I would be, I would be upset that somebody took the initiative to go do something like that. Unless they, they empowered her to do that, but I'm like, man, that's, thankfully there's other companies, right? Not, yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, that's quite a few.

Starting point is 00:17:02 Which is fun. I was like, we're not even close yet to even deciding that. I haven't even tried the food. It was like, this was like the initial conversation. It's like, we're not even there yet for you to break up. Well, this is what I like. Companies like Basecamp or what was the other ones that, like, they just don't include any politics.

Starting point is 00:17:18 That's just not something that I've been told. I think that's gonna be a new movement for a lot of companies. I think they're starting to move this direction of just like, it's become so polarizing and I think it's so disruptive in the business world. People are fighting over stuff that's so petty. It's plain to me how it's any different

Starting point is 00:17:36 than having a religious affiliation and be like, I don't like your religion, so I'm, you know, I'm not gonna work with you. Well, it's weird because, I mean, here's the truth, right? Most people, they believe what they believe or vote the way they vote because they want things to be better for people and themselves. Most people are good.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Most people don't vote because they're evil a particular way. Most people just aren't evil. Now, of course, they have their own self-interest. There's nothing wrong with that. But when looking at people that way, looking for issues that don't exist, that can cause a lot of problems.

Starting point is 00:18:05 Here's the truth. The truth is markets are one of the best peace promoting things that we've ever seen in humanity because you have people from all walks of life working together and you have to figure it out for their own common interests. Like, okay, I don't necessarily know your personal views, but I do know that you make good product. I have things to trade with you. Let's work together.

Starting point is 00:18:27 So you get introduced to each other, you get introduced to different ideas. People work together. That's what part of what makes us, but it's funny because that post was literally, it was a joke. It wasn't even you posting like some crazy opinion. No, no, it was not even that.

Starting point is 00:18:40 I didn't even think that much into it. I thought it was very hilarious when I saw it going viral with that, and so I shared it. I thought, oh my God, to go back and do that. I didn't even think that much into it. I thought it was very hilarious when I saw it going viral and what about that. And so I shared it. I thought, oh my God, to go back and do that. So I tell you what though, no, since humor, you do some bullshit like that working for me. Your ass is fired. Like that's like, you do not have the, you do not have the autonomy to go make decisions like that with business relationships that. And for all you know, like CEO that we may end up have loved the owners of the company. So, and even immediately mischaracterize us. Yeah, completely.

Starting point is 00:19:08 I know. Oh, that's annoying. That's the first time that's ever happened though. I thought that was really interesting. Katrina was like, I haven't had anyone ever resented offer before, before we even put an offer in. I was like, well, all right. I totally thought it was a mistake.

Starting point is 00:19:23 I was like, oh, it must be a mistake. It's not that. Hey, hey, excuse me, I'm not sleeping some mistake. I was like, oh, it must be a mistake. It's not that. Hey, hey, excuse me, I'm not sleeping with you. I ain't even fucking ask you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:31 But I wasn't going to anyway. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry, E to Evolve. Yeah. We weren't going to bang you anyway. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:39 We're not evolved, yeah. You're not. Not at all. Not at all. Yeah. Not at all. Yeah. Not at all. Yeah. Not at all. I read a hilarious article on that hilarious crazy article the other day. A shark vomited on the beach and then threw up a freaking arm. You an arm.

Starting point is 00:19:53 That's not true. That is not true. I'm going to pull up the article. You have to show me that. I'm going to pull up the article. This just came up right now recently. It was just a great, I don't know if it was recent. That's gruesome.

Starting point is 00:20:04 Was it like pre-digested or is it like intact? right now recently. It was just a, it was a, it was just a crate. I don't know if that's recent. That's gruesome. Yeah. Was it like pre-digested or is it like intact? Oh, here, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull it up right here. So, you need to go read details. Okay, here it is. So during an unassuming day at Kugi aquarium in Sydney, imagine the guy whose arm that is.

Starting point is 00:20:19 He's like, oh my God. Dude, you found it. They're, they're latest attraction, which was a 14 foot tiger shark, threw up a human arm sporting a tattoo of two boxers sparring. So they actually can even tell that it was a tattoo? Yeah, okay. Okay, this just came out.

Starting point is 00:20:35 There's got to be a guy who's missing an arm who got it bit off by a shark that knows it. I'm trying to read into it a little bit. This can happen a long time ago and they wrote about it just now. Oh, because maybe he finally put it together. That's my arm. You do imagine that is like Boo, look at oh, I mean it especially with a tattoo to definitively like are you being oh no?

Starting point is 00:20:52 No, you're being trolled. No, no, here it is. This is an old it was always a long time ago. It was 1935 So check this out. Oh my god. What no, no, hold on hold on your reporting on a 1935 No, this is the raking news. No, no check this out I'm going to 1935. No, this is breaking news. No, no, check this out. Dense pump ahead of the curve. Yeah, this just did. We landed on the moon.

Starting point is 00:21:08 Thanks to the distinctive tattoo and fingerprints, the victim's brother was able to identify the body part as a left arm of James Jimmy Smith, a 45 year old England born amateur boxer who worked at a booze soaked, billiard saloon in downtown Sydney. So it's weird. do you imagine that? I thought you saw the crime.

Starting point is 00:21:26 Pull it up. Oh, looks like they found the... Okay, wait, Huh? Why is it making the news right now though? It was it made it find that. Yeah, they're just writing about it and I read it and I thought that was really weird. It's really unique and hilarious. Crazy. Yeah, very... I didn't know we're pulled articles from 1935 to share. It wasn't a 1935 article.

Starting point is 00:21:56 It was an article that was now and... Because, and Tiger Sharks, that's not normal for them, right? Well, I don't know, I've actually heard that either it's tiger or thresher sharks, or whatever it's like in Australia have been, are a lot more violent than, great whites. Really?

Starting point is 00:22:15 But yeah, but great whites are a lot more, obviously there are huge. But in more dangerous if they do attack, but they are less likely to attack. A 14 foot tiger shark is pretty big. Well, you're gonna have to fucking well. And they make it closest to shore, I think. The tiger sharks swimming, yeah, that they're a lot more likely, you're gonna encounter one.

Starting point is 00:22:34 I did know that. I actually assumed that great whites for the only sharks that were afraid of that would potentially eat people on you. No, there's some big ass, there's like a big thing. One of those make-os can attack people. One of those can attack people. Tiger, I'm trying to think of other what the other ones are I think those are the only one lemon shark Is there lemon sharks? Yes, yeah, yeah, Threshers. So you know when I was a kid I went through like a period of like I was like totally into sharks like a big thing Did you ever do that just then yeah, dude and then shark week came out? Yeah, that was a little later

Starting point is 00:22:59 I would have been totally into it lemon lemon sharks are the ones that like they look like they have too many teeth Like the teeth are like looking all crazy. Yeah, and then kind of sticking out. Yeah, I've seen that. But there was a whole pit. Did you guys ever go through a dinosaur phase when you were a kid? Of course, yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:13 This was a thing. My brain. My brain is hard. My son is on that right now. It's so cute. So he, wow, is the word he's saying, wow. And he has this, he has this, it's so cute. Yeah, he has this big dinosaur book.

Starting point is 00:23:24 Maybe I'll share this with Andrew so he could share the little clip. It's really cute. And he has this big dinosaur book, maybe I'll share this with Andrew, so he could share the little clip, but it's really cute. So he has this massive dinosaur book that he got from his cousin. So his cousin Nathaniel gave it to him because he was starting to get interested in dinosaurs. It's a really cool book.

Starting point is 00:23:36 It has like, by the way, too, I didn't even know there was this many dinosaurs. Like I didn't know. And it's gone way beyond Brontosaurus, T-R-X's and like stegosaurus. That was like our staples. Right, I'm gonna sound like a complete moron. I thought there was like 20.

Starting point is 00:23:51 I really didn't really do anything. There were only 20 dinosaurs. Yeah, I just, like, and they have feathers now and all the shit. Okay, so hold on, so maybe, so this blue Jessica way shouldn't know this either. So did you know, let people know this, did you know that the amount of time

Starting point is 00:24:02 that dinosaurs were on earth, like the amount of time humans were on earth is like a sliver compared to No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but that gets a little tricky because they found Gobekli Teppi, which they've actually had paintings with them with big, huge beasts that look like dinosaurs. So humans lived with dinosaurs? It's, you know, it's something to consider. Well, let's ask the human history. Doug's been around a long time. Doug, it's a lot further back than the...

Starting point is 00:24:39 Me and Bam Bam. Doug, did you write a dinosaur to school or was it a bus? Yeah, but do. Yes, do. But yeah, when school or was it a bus? Yeah, but do But yeah, when I told Jessica that she's like what? Yeah, dude, I didn't like I didn't know that either I was never a big dinosaur guy I didn't I don't know like micro machines and hot wheels stuff like that like I was into that you were never into like like science stuff No, really no, no, I actually did not like science, dude. I was not a big science guy. He's always trying to debunk it, right? I never know that.

Starting point is 00:25:07 I never know that. But this is bullshit. Yeah. You never watched a 321 contact? I mean, you know, that was a great show. It sometimes comes off a little religious to me. That's why. Maybe that's why I was, you know, it sounds right there.

Starting point is 00:25:18 I was trying to like, one proves the other, you know, I was always trying to play that game. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I mean, there is, I think there's quite a bit of faith in science also. Sure. I mean, there's like, even just with your carbon dating,

Starting point is 00:25:30 I mean, for it to be... No, they can test it, dude. That's not true. What do you mean? They know how fast carbon decays. They know there's a consistent... Bro, the fact that there is nobody with anything written that goes back hundreds of millions of years ago.

Starting point is 00:25:44 That doesn't matter. What can they prove they existed? They don't know how they behaved. That's true. That's true. Yeah, and they're always just characterizing them based off of something they just make up. Yeah, look, if you still have to have faith,

Starting point is 00:25:57 you still have to believe that that is... Do you need faith for math? No, it's not just math, it's math and science. Okay, science in many respects, not all respects. You sound like someone who drank a Kool-Aid, dude. That's what I'm talking about. What are you talking about? What?

Starting point is 00:26:13 There is still, there is still. Bro, your headphones work because science made them. That's okay, okay, we're talking about carbon dating right now that goes back hundreds of millions of years. If there's nothing other to cross reference it with, you just have to have faith that it's accurate. Okay, there's a speed at which carbon decays over time. What is consistent?

Starting point is 00:26:32 What is to how accurate is carbon dating? To the day? No, it's not to the day. Okay, so how much room for air does it have? Okay. And does that air grow as the millions of years go? It does. Okay.

Starting point is 00:26:44 However, they're not gonna say this existed you know you know well if you could ten thousand all over the world too which then they can like they could trace back to like certain big catastrophic of it oh look at this out carbon dating is unreliable for objects older than thirty thousand years that's still a long time however you're in comparison to hundreds of millions out. Hold on. That's what Google boom, man. You're anium thorium dating, maybe possible.

Starting point is 00:27:09 Bro, all my point is that it's still relies on some faith, bro. Still relies on some faith. Sure, the stuff that we don't know, we have to. That's right. That's only a quarter of it. That's my argument. My argument doesn't seem to be real. I'm not trying to say carbon dating's wrong.

Starting point is 00:27:23 I'm not saying that. just like I'm not saying, I don't think there's a God either. I'm not gonna come out and say some bullshit like that. But I will say that you have to rely on some faith with it, bro. So of course, so that's what, what, but it's not all faith, it's not, it's not all that. Just like the, so are religions. There's a lot of reason.

Starting point is 00:27:39 There's a lot of things in religion that they can prove. There's a lot of stuff that's historical in the Bible, but they go back to it. But you're preparing two different things. Science is based on the scientific, not the whole thing. No, no, no, no, there's a scientific method. It's two different things. You can't compare spiritual wisdom to science. You can't compare the two because they're totally different. They're both very valuable. I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that it still requires faith. You still are believing in something that you cannot actually cross-reference and prove.

Starting point is 00:28:06 So now, here's the difference. A scientist will say, this is our best guess. Exactly. Okay, so that's the same as faith. Faith is, this is what happened, this is what I believe, and that's it. It's very different. Scientists will say, we think this is,

Starting point is 00:28:20 and this is our best guess, and here's why. Very different than faith. You have somebody with faith, and it's only reliable, and it becomes law, right? Because they've tested it over the hypothesis over and over again, and sometimes it doesn't replicate, and so then it doesn't become law. So it's just this constant thing

Starting point is 00:28:38 that I think we should always look into it and reassess it. But I do think it's a mistake to say that it's to compare the two two because they're both different. Yeah, but you don't start the sentence with, you know, it's our best guess that this is 300 million years. You say this is 300 million years old. You say it as if it's a fact. Well, you don't lead, you do not lead with,

Starting point is 00:28:57 oh, we believe that it's 300 million, you say it's 300 million years old. Yeah, I think it's different. That's why I'm calling you out on it. Hold on a second, 300 million years. Let's say the error rate is, you know, 10%. It's still 200 million, at least 200 million years old. Which 30,000 is what the number Doug just pulled up. So that's still, well, we got to look up what kind of accuracy and stuff. But that's our best, you're right. That's our best way of testing these things. Well, when when when did the Olmex roam the earth? What is that?

Starting point is 00:29:23 Well, when when when did the Olmex roam the earth? What is that? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. They don't know. They don't know how long they've been on the earth but they know they existed. Just to just make his point.

Starting point is 00:29:33 Boo. So what a fuck science. Thank you, Justin. Thank you. Yeah. What about the giant humans? You ever seen those old ruins? Are they still like these strange things?

Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah, but now you're getting it into like, yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's up for grabs. My point is, but the Olmex are real. I just, I didn't get into it as a kid as a kid. I didn't I was actually more into math. I actually liked math. I love math a lot more because I did like you know two plus two is always four. There's no way other way you can look at it's a fact. You know, it's law right. So I enjoyed that stuff and then I was into sports and cars and yeah, so I never went through a phase where I mean I'm more into science now. I'm older, you I'm very interested even though it's all bullshit right you pay me like that I don't do that I just want to know like the inner

Starting point is 00:30:12 workings of things like how things work like why we're here all that stuff no I mean I'm very intrigued by it now I mean at the taffa why we get we're all friends and we we enjoy this and speculating and doing things like that but I was not as a young kid I was you know I was into playing sports and speculating and doing their things like that. But I was not, as a young kid, I was, you know, I was into playing sports and into cars and into things like that and baseball cars and shit, you know, did not go through. No, I went through like a dinosaur phase. I went through a phase of sharks. I went to a phase of like the Brumuda Triangle.

Starting point is 00:30:37 Like it was a whole period there where the Brumuda Triangle was like, all I read about from the long time. So yeah, and then I got into Colts, which you guys know, like it's just like a past time. Oh, cults. Yeah, cults. I thought you were saying cults. Yeah. I mean, to me, to me, that's, that's a horse. You have a horse.

Starting point is 00:30:54 Yeah. I just, you know, that's a very natural progression. I feel like because you were somebody who challenged when you were in churches, a kid, right? Yeah. Always ask you questions and they weren't very good about like providing answers in terms of like substantial answers that like were grounded in reality. So I was always like, ah, like I'm just trying to figure it out. And so I've been watching this is new series on HBO Max

Starting point is 00:31:20 that I'm loving so far. It's about heaven's gate. Oh, I guess familiar with that. Are those the people that poison themselves, waiting for the Haleybop comment? Yeah, so Adam's like, I know, I just trashed my brain every, but the Rijneeschen, I don't know how you pronounce that,

Starting point is 00:31:37 but that was another cult that was in Oregon. Apparently there's a few of them that came out of Oregon, but this Heaven's gate one was crazy because it had like the most Suicides in one One event in the US like it like beat out like everything else You know, cult wise like this had their number one the number one. They did it But all these people that without found their way into the cold is really what I'm fascinated by it. Because a lot of them really bright, like really smart people that are just like,

Starting point is 00:32:09 for some reason, they just want more. You know, they want to figure out more. And it's just that bit alone, like the two leaders, like it's just so interesting how they can take a lot of familiar information like from Christianity and then they get into Revelation where it's a little bit like, up for interpretation.

Starting point is 00:32:29 And they all of a sudden claim that they're the witnesses, right? Okay, so now, sudden, they have, part of that perspective that they can pass on. And really what was misinterpreted was, that we weren't factoring in UFOs. And so now you're bringing in new sort of myth that is in the social construct that people can grab onto.

Starting point is 00:32:51 And so this pulls in like intellects. Well, this is what I feel like this is what's gonna happen with this whole woke fitness movement, right? It's take a little bit of truth and stuff like that. And then it gets... It's very cultish with their belief systems. Absolutely, that's what makes it kind of

Starting point is 00:33:06 dangerous but did they all killed them so they waited for the comment and the idea was that they killed themselves that they're so they could their spirit could basically like it's a ride yeah it's a ride it's like like just the logic there and they drink and was it that they drink poison was out of the drink poison okay have you ever seen so you don't know this? No, I don't know any of this. So you've never seen the, oh my God, this guy has the ultimate cult face. Bro, like, that's the cult face.

Starting point is 00:33:30 Doug, if you can find, please, please, please, Edgy here, please, Edgy here, please, let me see what a cult face looks like. Bro, you gotta watch, that's not right there. That's very cult face. Oh yeah, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:33:40 I can get down with that. He's perfect. But he's not even the main, like, originator of this cult, it was a lady. And I think they named themselves T and Do as in the two different Do-R-A-Me-Faso, a lot of these guys that start these cults.

Starting point is 00:33:57 Do you think they have the intentions of manipulating all these people? Or do you think they just really believe themselves? I think you have to believe. You don't want to tell narcissists. Well, I think you have to believe. He killed them all narcissists. Yeah, I think that they believe in their own shit and they're and they're something charismatic and magnetizing about them, right?

Starting point is 00:34:13 Yeah. They're charismatic enough to get all these people to believe in what they're saying. How many people died with this one? Do you know? Yeah, that's a dog. Can you look at it? It was a substantial number for sure. Wow. So by the way,

Starting point is 00:34:25 HBO Max again with another great double show. By the way, so this is really good so far. So this is not finished yet. 39 corpses. 39? So that's the record, huh? All right.

Starting point is 00:34:34 This is a suicide record here in the states. It's so, so here's what's funny. Knowing this about Justin, right, that he's like super like into cults and how he's like skeptical of like all this kind of stuff. Yeah. It makes perfect sense. So when I first met you guys, Oh yeah, like who's there? Justin was super like into cults and how he's like skeptical of like all this kind of stuff. It makes perfect sense. So when I first met you guys, Oh yeah, like it was very...

Starting point is 00:34:47 Justin was super like, who's this silver tongue devil? I'm not gonna use all weird about it. Yeah, you see, dude. That when I see these, that's what I think, I'm like, now. What if this,

Starting point is 00:34:57 I think you got a little bit. I always, I always think, what if this cult leader actually shifted this to something that I bet you that guy could have built an amazing company because the attributes that it takes to get buy-in by a large group of people to basically kill themselves for you. You could have built the most successful company,

Starting point is 00:35:14 like one of the most successful companies in the world if you have that kind of power. You stand, you want to be a wolf and sheep's clothing. Yeah, that's where it is. And everybody died and everybody died. That's crazy. There was that other guy. Wasn't that one guy that took a-

Starting point is 00:35:24 Coolaid gets a big hit from all these things, right? That's like you is and everybody died and everybody died. That's crazy. There was that other guy Wasn't that that one guy that took away? It gets a big hit from all these things, right? Like you think about that like what what bad publicity for them, you know, I used it, but where does that saying come from it's from a different cult from Guyana the Jim Jones? Yes, they now he took a bunch of people and where'd they go did they go? I on South Guyana South America South America and. And they all built their own paradise where they would all live and it was a compound. And then the way that they all killed themselves

Starting point is 00:35:49 was with cool eight, poison, cool eight. Yeah. So that's where it comes from. That's where it comes from. You're drinking the cool eight. You're drinking the cool eight. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:57 All of these terms come from shit that actually happened, like going postal. Everybody should have a nerdy friend like you guys, you know? I think if you're a cool person out there and you're watching, you need to find yourself a nerd like Salas. I'm sort of the conduit of like cool guys a nerdy friend like you guys, you know? I think if you're a cool person out there and you're watching, you need to find yourself a nerd like Salazar. I'm sort of the conduit of like cool guys and nerdy. This is Adam's like, how can I say I'm cool?

Starting point is 00:36:12 No, you know what Katrina says? You know what Katrina says when she, when we talk about this and up, no, no, she calls me out. When we talk about this on the podcast, she goes like, I don't know why you reference, like you're not a nerd like that, you were just as much of a fucking nerd to say. She goes, I'm attracted to it. I said, I'm very attracted to it.

Starting point is 00:36:27 When he has a nerdy side. You're just nerdy in a different way, that's all. Do you remember when you were a kid? Do you remember the acronym for nerd? Someone said, you're a nerd and be like, oh, that's okay, because it stands for Normal Educated Radical Dude. Do you guys remember that?

Starting point is 00:36:40 Oh my god. No, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, do no, do you, but you're, you're, you're dead, you're dead. Can we make him a t-shirt? No. No. Normal, normal, educated, erratic, dude. I'm making you a t-shirt, right? Radical, dude. I want that. Stop doing my voice, just so.

Starting point is 00:36:52 I don't, I don't sound like that. I haven't done it at all. Hey, I got some more cool information on Crate Team. Let's hear it, nerd. Crate Team. Man, you really got him going. Yeah. Yeah, by the way, these days nerds run the world.

Starting point is 00:37:04 This is true. This is true. So anyway, the way, these days nerds run the world. This is true. This is true. So anyway, cool information on creatine, some more information. Number one, I've been reading studies on creatine and depression. Did you guys know that creatine actually has some antidepressive effects on people? Man. So they'll find that one people supplemented that they'll notice a reduction in depressed

Starting point is 00:37:24 like symptoms. Now do you think that just because of the the boost of energy that you're gonna get from it? Well, yeah caffeine does the same thing Right, but obviously creatine is very healthy as well. Here's another interesting study They did a study where they had people who had an injury Well actually the way they did the studies they had people immobilized one of their arms and they gave the half of them Crayotein the other half, not creatine, just to see, because when you don't move something, let's say you break your arm or whatever,

Starting point is 00:37:49 you lose a lot of muscle very quickly. Just because they supplemented with creatine, they lost less muscle and less strength than people who didn't. So if you're going into surgery, or you have a broken bone or an injury. So for just for preservation. And you wanna reduce the muscle loss and strength loss that comes from that, supplementing

Starting point is 00:38:06 with creatine is part of a good strategy. I'm so surprised that we don't see more like food companies like... It's coming. Yeah, putting it in. You know how we saw the protein movement that we called years ago? Sure. When are we going to see that with creatine? It's coming, dude.

Starting point is 00:38:21 Creatine just going to start getting a little... I can see it like infiltrating like some of the sports drinks, for sure. It already has done that. Yeah, bang has done that. Yeah, yeah, that's already happened. That's already happened. Yeah, that's already, and I'm saying like just normal.

Starting point is 00:38:32 Just normal like. The way we, the way we are, yeah, the way we do like vitamins and things in cereal. Yeah, for sure. Like when is it gonna be like creatine cereal for your kid? Yeah. And it's not really that expensive. Creatine's one of the cheaper supplements

Starting point is 00:38:44 that you can get out there in bulk So I would think that they would sprinkle it in there There are studies not on pregnant women But they did these with the animals where they gave the animals some creatine and the the baby their babies or whatever when they were born Came out healthier And stronger I I think this is gonna be a supplement that they're gonna recommend to everybody Yeah, at some point speaking of bang you guys ever see a picture of the CEO of Bang? Of course.

Starting point is 00:39:08 He looks exactly as you would imagine. Have you ever seen him? Oh, I've always had like highlighted tips. Bro, I've tried to create a character around him. I didn't use it for a video, but like he was like my total muse. Imagine the guy that invented Bang Energy Drink. Well, I think you would, I think you would, the job. What do you think he looks like?

Starting point is 00:39:22 I was that cheap old hair. I feel like this like Hawaiian shirt and the Gull chains and watch this. He's like your ultimate Yeah, he's like I'm bang He looks exactly like that picture right there in the middle yeah, I remember the first like fitness convention that I went to When bang was first coming on the market. And they must have had, first of all they had one of the biggest booth areas like rented out.

Starting point is 00:39:50 And there must have been 50 people there representing them. 45 of them were girls and booty shorts and bras. That's it. I was just like, every supplement company had sex with monster energy drink. Then they came out with it. Yeah, totally. It's funny that you say that.

Starting point is 00:40:05 You know, it's funny. A friend of mine did a post on Instagram the other day and talked about the negativity with media and it's advertising to women. And they were saying that it's because it's male controlled media and it's men doing all the stuff. And I'm like, no, no, no, man. They're not, the guys are not the ones buying it.

Starting point is 00:40:21 You know, we, like, just like what you just said with these girls and booty shorts, the whole reason why they do that is because it sells. It'll stop the second we stop buying their shit. Like if you see a company's marketing, I recommend people do this. If you see a company's marketing, and you say that's not good.

Starting point is 00:40:36 It doesn't really sell though. I mean, doesn't. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I mean, have you ever heard something like, you know, I picked bang up, because man, there's like 40 hot chicks in bikinis. I don't think that you're saying that. I know, but I mean, but it's okay You're subconsciously you think that's what people are doing. Well, they're buying it because look at the target

Starting point is 00:40:51 More audience, right? You're a 25 year old dude. You want an energy drink. You're walking into the supplement place Over here is like one with a chart about how effective their supplements are over here Is it just that the other companies in the space, the energy space have used those marketing tactics and then he's just trying to be competitive against those companies? I think it's just more of like, just marketing roles. They say it takes an average of like three times before you see a company, right,

Starting point is 00:41:14 before you make a purchase. I think that like, you know, it's totally cemented in my mind that I can picture that walking into that convention and there was hundreds of booths, guess which one stands out in my mind. Of course. So now why did you stand out because of all the girls? That's right. Right.

Starting point is 00:41:31 So that's why I think it works, right? Because it's it's. I mean, it would, but so would a bunch of naked dudes running around with the bang. And the road, I don't know, it would be not the same thing. Yeah. Okay. So a naked dude dancing typically doesn't even get the attention of women They tend to be like I don't get me away from that

Starting point is 00:41:49 The girls tend to sell better to girls Yeah, we've tried that angle, but my point is this if you don't if you think that something's negative or portraying a negative What just don't buy their shit if everybody did that man? Oh boy with this shit change very quickly Well speaking of friends posting stuff. I don't know if you guys saw Ben Greenfield posted just yesterday and I did not know that Chilly had this. So I want, so Chilly, our partner, has this gravity blanket. I believe it weighs 25 pounds, Doug, you can look it up for me.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Oh, I love weighted blankets. And, you know, I've actually never tried one. I've heard all kinds of great things about, but what's cool about this one is it plugs into your, your Chilly units so you can either cool it or heat it. Oh shit. A coolie. Now from the top and the bottom and it's yes. Man, it's a gravity. So I make a nice cold breed. I'm ordering. Just a nice cold breed of Justin's a steak breed. Are you looking at it up, Doug right now? What's the weight on? I think it's

Starting point is 00:42:41 25 pounds, right? Is that heavy? I mean, that sounds heavy to me. It It is. I have a 10 pound one at home. And that feel, by the way, gravity blankets are really good for people with things. There it is right there. Oh, yeah, they're fantastic. I bought Courtney one for that reason, specifically. What are the, I can be on the couch with that on and it helps, you know, calm it down or whatever. 15 pounds. Let's see what size that is. Yeah, there might be different options, but 15 is even really good. Yeah, I thought I have a 10 pound. I thought I heard Ben say 25 pounds

Starting point is 00:43:10 is what I thought I heard him say. Well Ben's gonna go. Or higher, I thought I hear, it was either 25 or like 50, I thought. I'll have to look back at this. I have a 50 pound blanket. I don't know. I know, I might be a little kid on my chest.

Starting point is 00:43:21 It looks to me only the 15 pound. Yeah. Oh, maybe it's a 15, I thought 50. Maybe that's what happened, bro. 50 pounds would be a little, and no, it's not my attention. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Honey! Honey! What? I can't get out of bed. Yeah, that would bother me just. If it's too heavy, you guys, I hate when people, what it's called, short tuck the sheets at the bottom.

Starting point is 00:43:43 You know, because my feet can't do it. My feet need too big to stretch. Well, it's not just that, but you don't want your feet to fold out like this, right? Or push back, yes. So Jessica's got like freedom. She's got ridiculous mobility in this direction. So she could flex her, is that, no, that's extend, right?

Starting point is 00:43:59 Her ankles. And she could put them out real, like, she's got this crazy toe point. So she'll lay in bed like this. My feet don't do that. Should endorse a flex. Yeah, they pull up like this. Yeah, and so then you get like cramps in your toes

Starting point is 00:44:10 because it rolls your toes over. I hate those flexing. You hate that. You know what, why don't you like it? Cause dude, it's just like, it's not a comfortable state for me. Yeah, I want, dude, I'm freedom. You know, just, oh man, I ripped the sheets out.

Starting point is 00:44:22 I'll even hang my feet out. I can't tuck them in. I'm a one leg under and one leg over the sheet guy. I like the sheets in between my legs. One leg under, one leg over. Spoon the sheets. Just, yeah, no, I'm just ready to rock and roll. Just making love to it.

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Starting point is 00:44:55 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first caller is Olivia from Toronto, Canada. Hi Olivia, how can we help you? Hey guys, I'm a big fan of your show. I actually just started listening a few weeks ago and I'm like binging a few episodes every day. It's awesome.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Oh, thank you. I just bought Match Performance. I've been doing it for, I just did it for a week now. I'm a weekend to it, but I was wondering if there's any changes or modifications I can make to the program to enhance my performance in my sport, which is football, like American football. Oh, very cool.

Starting point is 00:45:40 What position? So I play wide receiver and quarterback, mainly quarterback in the summer, and then wide receiver for my university. Awesome, and then this is full on American football, so it's tackle, correct? No, so it's contact flag, I guess I should have specified. So we block and we have like an online deadline,

Starting point is 00:46:04 but we don't wear equipment. We pull flags instead of tackling. So it's more speed related than I guess, shrink. Okay, so the, so the couple of things I would recommend. One is continue to practice the skills of your particular sport. So sometimes the mistake that people make when they start working out to improve their performance is they trade skill training with just getting stronger in the gym and this is a this is not necessarily a good idea because

Starting point is 00:46:34 If you get really strong, but you lose some of your skill then that strength on the field doesn't translate very well So make sure you continue with your skills training. As far as modifying the workout, map performance is really, really well put together for general overall performance. The modifications would be, need to be very, very specific to the individual. And I would focus mainly on areas that you notice you tend to have pain or mobility issues. So if you notice that you have issues like in your hips or your knees or your shoulders, especially after playing, you know, really intense game, then I would use a program like Maps, Prime, Pro to identify those areas, because that will give you the most bang for your buck in terms of the performance on the field.

Starting point is 00:47:22 Yeah, I'm curious as to what you've seen there that you want to modify a little more specifically towards football, because it's pretty close to something I would program to a football player kind of go in off season, then bring them into season. There's some things that you can do. If you are well versed in Olympic lifts or you can do a hang clean,

Starting point is 00:47:46 that's the opportunity there when we have high pulls programmed in there. That's something that I do suggest, like some athletes, if they have training already, where they could substitute and add a little bit more type power lifts or Olympic lifts rather in that direction. So other than that, I think it's pretty specifically. Well, what about for that? What about, what about, I mean, what do you think Justin about adding either like some footwork drills to mobility days?

Starting point is 00:48:17 So I could see acceleration, deceleration, working on and doing like footwork drills that would carry over into her sport on mobility day. Sure, I can, yeah, and even in phase three, I mean, we have like, it's speed power and so there's a lot of acceleration, deceleration type, explosive moves, you know, that you're gonna be working on.

Starting point is 00:48:37 I do see some value in footwork, however, you know, if you're gonna get more specific in the endurance part of it, that's where you can structure it around You know in time it around the amount of effort that you're gonna put out per place So you can do more like 50 yard sprints. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah I'm thinking I'm not like of course the way the programming is set up is to get her better overall and that but I mean very Specific drills for a wide receiver and a wide receiver or

Starting point is 00:49:07 a quarterback. So like a throwing drill, like a foot, run your patterns. Exactly. Run your patterns, doing the takeoff for wide receiver stuff, accelerating your cuts, and just in those short bursts and programming that on like mobility days. Since the program itself on foundational days, they're going to give her the overall strength. Yeah. I would focus on like mobility days. Since the program itself on foundational days are gonna give her the overall strength, I would focus on maybe adding those in the research.

Starting point is 00:49:29 And when you do that, just make sure you don't go too intense with it over for the mobility days. There is like, so as you get further in the program, it actually focuses more on the endurance, interability portion of it. So where I would probably add even more of that. But yeah, just to maintain the skills and the movement, I think that is a good idea.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Yeah, and a big factor that can influence what kind of drills you would do is your experience with your sport. So how long have you been playing football competitively? So I played basketball for like six or seven years, and I got a few like scholarships to the US, but I had like a bad concussion at the time and I had to give them up, took a year off, and then I found football just by chance. I've been playing now.

Starting point is 00:50:17 I transitioned to football for I think five or six years now. I was receiver for a long time, and now they're putting me at like a sort of a running quarterback sort of thing. OK, and that helps a lot, right? Because if you're if you don't have a ton of experience, let's say you're athletic, but you don't have a ton of experience playing the sport, then you're probably biggest value is going to be just playing scrimmages practicing as often as possible and getting really good at it. But because you've been playing for about five years, some of these these drills that the guys just mentioned

Starting point is 00:50:46 would probably provide you a lot of value. Just remember that. Remember, when you're following math performance, what you can expect is strength, power, durability. But what you won't get from it is improvement in scale. So practice the skill along with following the program. What you don't want to necessarily do, and I want to stress this, is get really strong,

Starting point is 00:51:07 but also lose skill, because then you'll find yourself on the field, not necessarily in a better off, even though you're stronger, because you've lost some of your skill in your testing. That's why I envision, I mean, if you're a client of mine, this is what I envision.

Starting point is 00:51:18 I envision having three mobility days, and I imagine that you have access to one of your wide receivers, one of your friends. Yeah. Okay, so I would go down to like a field somewhere outside with one of your wide receiver friends and I would do start the day with mobility work. So both of you do some mobility drills to warm up and work on your mobility and then you go right into your footwork drill.

Starting point is 00:51:42 So run in little routes and plays and drop them back and that's what the rest of the day would look like. I think you doing that is going to continue to increase your skills in the sport and then the programming will take care of everything else. Yeah, and if you don't have maps prime pro, we'll send that over to you Olivia because I think that you're gonna find a lot of value in that,

Starting point is 00:52:01 especially for the areas that tend to bother you after playing or practicing really hard. So you'll pick the area that tends to bother you and then practice the movements that are in Maps Prime Pro for those areas, and that should help you quite a bit. Thank you so much, that's awesome. I just have one more part of the question. So I just finished actually a month ago

Starting point is 00:52:23 or two months ago, a 15-week progressive overload, like lifting program that I sort of found online. And I put on 10 pounds, like, you know, some muscle, whatever. But I kind of hindered my progress with overtraining and whatnot. But I still had some progress. And but because I've put on 10 pounds, I'm noticing I started doing what you guys did. I put on this strength, but not skill specific. I'm feeling it a bit on the field when I'm going to jump and stuff.

Starting point is 00:52:53 So I've been trying to be in a calorie deficit a little bit to shed some of the weight for my summer season. Can you do maps performance well in a calorie deficit and what you guys not gonna matter? Sure, great idea. You totally can. I just wouldn't do too big of a deficit when training really hard.

Starting point is 00:53:11 But here's the other thing too, is that I don't know what your program was before. You said progressive overload. I'm assuming it was very strength and muscle building focused. Yeah. Just practicing your skills, jumping lateral movement.

Starting point is 00:53:26 You can actually take that strength and start to convert it to more performance-based strength because you can get really strong from just doing barbell squats and build muscle. And for most people, that'll make them jump higher and move faster. But if you were an athlete before and you moved really well,

Starting point is 00:53:43 and then you built that muscle, but you didn't let the skills follow it, you would not actually lose a little bit of that ability because the weight to strength ratio or explosive strength ratio might change a little bit. So sometimes you don't necessarily need to lose the weight unless it was body fat. Sometimes all you need to do is train that new weight in ways that make it more beneficial for your sport. Okay, yeah, sure. That makes sense. Get used to my new, my new X-Trate pounds. Exactly. Exactly. Thanks for calling.

Starting point is 00:54:12 Okay. Thanks so much for having me and things. Thanks for everything. You guys are awesome. No problem. All right. Yeah, I remember back in the day when I was with compete and grappling that I've always loved resistance training way more than I loved anything else, right? And I would go through these phases where I would put on muscle and I would only do like one day a week of judo or jujitsu. And then I'd go back to training real hard in those sports. And although it was bigger and stronger, I wasn't really performing any better.

Starting point is 00:54:42 And I was just like, and I knew why it was because I lost skill But I gained strength. I mean skill is if you were to list in sports performance skills number one Then all the contributing factors to skill follow but skill has got to be number one I mean, I feel like and Justin correct me if I'm wrong because I don't think this is bad the three of us This meeting is being recorded. It's being recorded now. Thank you. I think of the three of us. I don't think this isn't my expertise, but I've trained many clients like this.

Starting point is 00:55:13 And my recommendation would be, at least three days of the mobility work with the skills training, with the foundational days. If I saw that her strength and or her training was starting to hinder her movement on the field, she's getting slower, her reaction time isn't there, she's not improving on her skill. I would scale back another day off the foundations and increase to another mobility and skills training day.

Starting point is 00:55:37 Yeah, definitely. I think that's smart. I do evaluate to whether or not they're a beginning athlete, if they've already established a good foundational strength to work with, or if this is somebody that's a little more seasoned, and a lot of times, you don't really need to add a lot more strength to these athletes. I think that's something that is pushed a lot on athletes, but it does tend to, the focus gets shifted in terms of, if they just focus more on their

Starting point is 00:56:05 skill or on their overall quality of their movement, it may aid even more in their performance than previously. So I think it's really, and I had the same experience where I gained weight because my position had changed. I had to be like an inside-backer versus an outside-backer. So I had to gain like 20 pounds. And coming back was very difficult because it had maintained all the skills training that went with that added weight. So just getting acclimated to the new body, you know, that took time on its own.

Starting point is 00:56:35 Yeah. And one more thing, athletes don't usually understand this until much later. The biggest bang for your buck that you'll get with sport, especially if you play pretty consistently year after year It's just preventing injury. Right. Yes. Just focus on if you just the real game if you just focused on preventing injury The high level at the high level. That's all that's more the experience That's it. Especially at the high level. Yeah, once you once you get to you know college pro and so that they don't that's it's all about injury Prevention our next color is Sean from California. What's up Sean how can we help you? Hey guys I just wanted to first say I really appreciate all the content you put out and really enjoy a lot of the podcast episodes. So just to give you some background. Yeah just to give some background. I played a lot of water poll and I was swimming when I was growing up

Starting point is 00:57:20 and I do have a little bit of a background in strength training that right now I'm coming off a training protocol for a half-iron man. So just wondering which of your programs would you recommend? Just wanting to go as I transition out of kind of endurance training, I know you guys talked about the benefits of resistance training and strength training. So just on which program do you guys would you recommend that would be a good one to start with? I mean, I know you guys have math starter obviously, but I already do have a pretty strong background in strength training with, I mean, this is the form technique of a bench squat deadlift. So I was a

Starting point is 00:57:56 chair if maybe I could go into math performance or math synthetic or something or, or if any of those programs would be suitable to maybe combine with the occasional cardio or during training with at the swimming or running. Maps and a ballic. Yeah, so actually quick question, Sean, you just finished your half marathon. How long ago?

Starting point is 00:58:18 On half Iron Man training, so it was about three weeks ago and I did kind of a mock half Iron Man just because all the races had been canceled for the past year. So I just do it on the semi-on without the actual sanction event. Okay. And then for people who don't know, half-iron man's in sane, it's just a really, really tough group of group... ...grueling type competition.

Starting point is 00:58:41 Do you... Would you say you're more likely to over-train or under-t train your body? I definitely have a tendency to over train. I've had that issue in the past, so I know you guys have talked about like kind of welcoming people to change parts of the training plans, but I know that I kind of have a tendency that I might overdo it, so I was wondering if you do have a certain one I might overdo it. So I was wondering if you do have a certain one that may be better for combining with occasional cardio versus something that's maybe like a twice a day training. I know that wouldn't be good for me right now.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Yeah, I would, okay. So we definitely want to scale back for a little while. They've actually done studies and shown that when people train for really intense physical performances, it actually can take the body as long as months to get back its recovery ability. So it actually causes issues for people. And now, as somebody like yourself who trains real hard,

Starting point is 00:59:34 you're used to the way it feels and you, you know, any improvement feels good. So you're like, oh, I can push myself. So it's gonna be very important that you pay attention to that. So Adam said, maps and a ball, I think that's the perfect program for you. It's not going to over train your body. It's going to build lots of strength.

Starting point is 00:59:51 Now, if you want to train in a way with resistance, that's more athletic minded, then I would go maps performance. Maps performance will also build a lot of strength and muscle on your body, but there's a lot, there's a special emphasis on athletic performance. So if that's like what you like to do,

Starting point is 01:00:06 yeah, but I still think he would be, if he was your client and you had the choice, what would you do? You know, anabolic, wouldn't you? It depends, right? Because performance also has the mobility. It depends on what he did for the Iron Man training and also what he's gonna stick to.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Maps and a ball, it's definitely very straightforward. Muscle building performance has a little bit of athletic. Yeah, I'm kind of in that hybrid. I love the Maps and a ball, it's definitely very straightforward, muscle building performance as a little bit of that athletic. I'm kind of in that hybrid. I love the Maps and a ball, in terms of phase one, and I love that protocol. However, I do love mobility training sessions in between. But I mean, you do get a lot of benefit from the trigger sessions in anabolic

Starting point is 01:00:38 for that specific reason of recovery, but I would like you to focus a bit more on reinforcing your joints and really going through that recovery process, because I'm like you to focus a bit more on reinforcing your joints and really going through that recovery process because I'm sure there was a lot of stress and potential underlying issues that may result in the future. The reason why I'm still going to keep pushing in a bulk is that I think this is not only does he need this physically, I think he also needs it mentally.

Starting point is 01:01:00 I think if he has a tendency to over train and this is what's, and not to mention, we all know what we was ideal for the next program. So the ideal order would be anabolic right now, followed by performance. So we will address mobility, but right now you're going from this super high level amount of volume of training. One of the best things that he could possibly do

Starting point is 01:01:21 is to reduce that down to two or three days of foundational training. If you want, and if it was a client, and this is where our programs are not perfect, right? So maybe to Justin and Sal's point, I would make you run anabolic, but instead of trigger stuff, I would have more mobility-type-focused things. There's nothing wrong with that, right? So you can modify even our programs.

Starting point is 01:01:42 So because you guys all, I think we all agree that mobility should be focused and recovery and that's where he should be thinking. But I also am thinking just the volume of training. And performance definitely ramps up from Annabalik as far as the volume goes up. And I think he needs to go all the way down to Annabalik and I think it's gonna be very hard for him. I think he's gonna have to mentally challenge himself

Starting point is 01:02:02 to stick to the programming. And then I would move to performance. Two to three days a week is gonna be a tough shift. Yeah, I mean, you make a really good case at him. So, so do you have access to maps and a ball look? I don't know because I was looking at both maps and ball look and performance, but I know, I mean, recovery of a huge component to muscle building and getting strength back and just with all the gym being shut down to the past year.

Starting point is 01:02:25 So I haven't really only been doing body weight training. So I was leaning towards anabolic, but I just wanted to get some advice from you guys. Okay, so we'll give you maps and a ball. On the trigger session days, focus on mobility. Focus on joint movement and making your joints feel healthy. In other words, treat those days as active recovery days throughout the whole program. So three month program, and that should be good.

Starting point is 01:02:51 At the end of that three months, you should feel pretty strong and good, and then mass performance would definitely be a good follow. I would love to see you do maps and a ballic, and then follow the webinar that I did on primeprowebinar.com. So go to primepro, it's free, and literally follow the webinar that I did on PrimePro webinar.com. So go to PrimePro, it's free, and literally follow that routine.

Starting point is 01:03:09 I think that routine is a great routine. Two goals on the days of the week. That's right, do those on the days in between. So follow Maps, Antiballic, to a T, the way it's structured, on the trigger session days, follow that mobility routine that I created a webinar around. I think that's a really good place for you to be,

Starting point is 01:03:23 and then after you get through Antiballabolic, then I would transition you into performance. To me, that would be the most ideal. And again, I'm going to challenge you on the mentality part because I know you're an athlete, I know you're going to want more, and you're going to have to resist that. Yeah, definitely get that. My parents have been telling me the same exact thing for years, and I'll definitely appreciate all your help guys. Awesome. No problem. Thanks for calling. So I definitely appreciate all your help guys. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:03:45 No problem, thanks for calling. You guys familiar with the distances of... It's long, bro. So I looked it up because Iron Man shit is really shit. Because you got to swim, you got to bike, you got to run, it's ridiculous. Well, here it is, I just pulled it up because I don't remember the,

Starting point is 01:03:59 I've trained, let me think, five people who trained for a half Iron Man and then one of them went on to do a full Iron Man. But trained for a half Iron Man, and then one of them went on to do a full Iron Man. But here's a half Iron Man. Just so people know what we're talking about, it's a one and a half mile swim, a 56 mile bike ride, and a 13 mile run. So this is a half Iron Man.

Starting point is 01:04:19 Just get an idea of, which is a half marathon and a, what's considered like the long distance for bike? Oh, what a century, yeah, a hundred miles. So it's more than half a half a month, right? Right. So one more than a half century, more than a half a marathon, and then also the swim all come on. It's insane. It's so when I that's a half marathon, so a half-iron man. So when I trained, I had a one guy that I used to train that was just really, he was actually, he was an ear nose and throat specialist in a surgeon. Really smart guy, high-performing, everything you did, really high-performing.

Starting point is 01:04:47 He hired me for the half-iron man's and we really had to feel things out, right? Because it was really hard not to overtrain him because he was doing so much biking, swimming, and running all the time. You know what it turned into? One day a week of resistance training. And a lot of those days were moderate intensity.

Starting point is 01:05:04 I would say probably one to two workouts a month, we pushed the intensity. The rest of them were like mobility and stuff like that. I mean, first of all, a lot of people don't even finish those iron bands. Oh, the goal is to finish. Yeah, exactly. The goal is, can you just complete it? And have you ever seen some people crossing the finish line on those iron bands? Like, like crawling to like finish it.

Starting point is 01:05:24 Body's like all shaking. It's crazy. Yeah, because so when I trained the guy, I was like Man's, they're like croaking. Crawling, finishing bodies like all shaking, it's crazy. Yeah, because so when I trained the guy, he would notice, decreases his performance, and so I had to scale it so far down. And then finally, we hit the magical number, which is- Well, I'm saying, it takes all of your focus. That's the thing, the endurance part of it is going to make up the majority of what you're doing because you have to. And this is why I'm pushing towards Anabok so hard because, let me tell you, it's going to be so hard for this guy to make that switch.

Starting point is 01:05:52 I mean, the mental discipline it takes to train for an Iron Man is like the opposite spectrum of what I'm asking you to do to go train two foundational days or three times. And that's actually one of the reasons why I said performance at first because because one of my fears is it'll be easy off a little bit. Yeah, because it's going to be such a big dip. Like he'll do it for a few weeks and it's like screw it. I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah, this is, I mean, that's a fair point. It's a fair point, but I think we can all agree that we know what his body needs the most. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:19 What his body needs the most is something more like anabolic, you're right. Yeah. He might be so addicted to that crazy training, maybe letting easing him off, you know, instead of almost feeling like you're cutting cold totally. Our next caller is Kelly from Mississippi. Hi Kelly. How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:06:33 Hi. Thanks so much for talking to me today. Super excited to get your take on my question. OK. So once upon a time, I was a Jim Rat, a qualified qualified gym rats that all the time in the gym really loved cardio, which I know you guys love. I was a Zumba instructor, half marathon runner, to thought I hit you name it. And then really got into strength training, realized the benefit of strength training

Starting point is 01:07:00 tracked away from so much cardio. Also formerly had a pretty terrible eating disorder, and I think I actually moved into more of like ortho-exia. And so that went on, really started to pay more attention to nutrition until I got really sick and was sick for about two and a half years with an undiagnosed medical condition. But then very recently, as of eight months ago, was diagnosed. I'm now a medication. It's controlled.

Starting point is 01:07:30 But I am basically starting from scratch. And I know I've read your book, Sal loved it. It's a lot of really fantastic advice. I needed to hear a lot of it. But I'm basically starting from scratch. And as much as I hate that, I'm really looking at this as a clean slate

Starting point is 01:07:46 to do nutrition right, to do rest right. I'm now back in the gym exercising with a little bit more weight trying to build some strength and build that muscle back. But I would really love all of your opinions on what is the, what if you had somebody that it was like clean slate they have muscle memory they know their way around the gym what would be your best advice for somebody who wants to really tackle this with a lot of smart technique to really make sure that they're getting as strong as they can for life. Okay Kelly you're amazing by the way. I think just yeah this, this is great.

Starting point is 01:08:25 This is really, really great. And a couple of things before our salad, let you take off. One, shout out to Zumba, because Justin's a huge fan. Yeah, my Zumba Zumba. And then, and then, Sal, if you could break down what orthorexia is before you get into your rant, and then I'll let you take it from there.

Starting point is 01:08:42 Yeah, so orthorexia is where you're just, you're really obsessed about eating clean or healthy. So it's a bad relationship with food, but the driver is, I wanna eat perfect. I wanna eat perfectly healthy. It can cause people a lot of stress. It could, very common in bodybuilding, right? It is, and it can take away from your relationships

Starting point is 01:09:01 with other people. It can make, essentially what you eat takes over your life with other people. It can make, essentially what you eat takes over your life in many respects. Okay, so I want to help you, but I think I could best help you if I know what the condition is that you've been diagnosed with. Now, if you don't want to say, okay, go ahead, tell us what it is.

Starting point is 01:09:18 Yeah, so I have something called Mass Cell Activation Syndrome, and it calls the spontaneous CSF leak. Okay, so can you go into a little more detail with that? I'm assuming that affects your central nervous system and causes your... Yes, okay. Yeah, so a CSF leak is when you tear a hole in the juror around your spinal cord. So your spinal fluid leaks out into the body and it causes your brain to st.

Starting point is 01:09:42 down on top of the spinal cord. It causes a really horrible headache. It's really hard to diagnose them. The mast cell activation syndrome is your immune system attacking your connective tissue so similar to an autoimmune condition, but not an autoimmune condition. Okay, this is okay. That really helps a lot. Okay, so in my experience, okay, now of course I want to disclaimer, I'm not a doctor.

Starting point is 01:10:07 In my experience, I've trained a lot of people with autoimmune issues that affect the body. And in all of those situations, what you don't want to do is train the body harder or longer than you need to, because that tends to trigger autoimmune reactions. So if I'm training someone who, you know, they get really inflamed, for example, I would notice like their inflammation would kick up. So if they say the average person I trained a little too hard, they're just sore for a

Starting point is 01:10:35 little longer, not a big deal. With somebody who has an overactive immune system, that can turn into weeks or months of getting back to recovery. So my number one piece of advice to you is go really slow. Now this may be hard for someone like you with your background, right? Because you're used to working out hard, you have a bit of a skewed perception of intensity, you know, you know, I can go low. So I'm gonna say, I love starter for this. Always, yeah, always air on the side of going easy. And I would like you to treat your exercise like practice,

Starting point is 01:11:11 don't ever treat like a workout. So when you go to the gym, forget that you're training your quads or your hamstrings or your shoulders. Think to yourself instead, I'm gonna get really good at shoulder presses. I'm gonna get really good at leaning into the technique of all these exercises.

Starting point is 01:11:26 That's it, just treat them like skills, 100%. Go to the moderate to low intensity and just get better at the skills. That will give you way more dividends than going to work your body out like you're gonna do a workout. Adam said, map starter, I agree. I think map starter is a great way to get going.

Starting point is 01:11:45 And again, I can't stress this enough. Air on the side of less, okay? It's better. Okay. It's better that you progress slower because you're doing too little than doing too much and knocking yourself into a case where now you have to stay at home

Starting point is 01:12:01 and sit in bed for the next couple of months because you've caused the flare up. So really go easy, really go slow, and just remember that too much intensity or working out too hard or too long, it's not just gonna be like, oh, I need to take next week off or go easier. It could turn into months of being into a flare up.

Starting point is 01:12:20 And be competitive with yourself with the technique. Like, I mean, watch the model in the videos and the goal should be, can I make the form look even better, more controlled and better? So you can still have this kind of athletic competitive mindset, but just switch it from sweating and burning and trying to hurt and put pain on yourself to more like, can I make this look better than the model performing the exercise and be competitive with yourself in that?

Starting point is 01:12:50 Slowing the repetition down and being very meticulous to how you move the weights and the position of your body as you do the exercises. And that's where I like starter, starter, it's got stability ball stuff on there, there's a lot of stability exercises. So there's a lot of things that are gonna just challenge your balance, inform, and technique,

Starting point is 01:13:09 really air on that side. And even as you progress and move out of starter and maybe into another program like Annabelle, do not leave that mindset. I just, this is actually how I train my clients, most of my clients for most of my career is, you know know lay that solid foundation of just getting perfect at all the movements. Be more focused on that than adding weight

Starting point is 01:13:29 to the bar or repetitions. Okay, I like that. I like it. I like it. I actually heard you say that about practice on a previous episode and I really appreciated that it's not something that I had ever really thought of as a person who I've always really respected weight and really respected technique and foreman have always strived for that. But the thought of really approaching that as practice had never occurred to me. And so even this morning when I went to the gym I thought, okay, we're just practicing shoulder presses. We're just practicing that. And it really did change the workout. I love that it

Starting point is 01:14:05 buys so much. So I'll gear my competitive nature towards myself at just getting really, really good at practicing all of the techniques. Yeah, because you know, the key is going to be to control that inflammatory response. Right. And you need some of an inflammatory response. That's part of how the body adapts. But in your case, the inflammatory response can trigger a remission. It can get you to the point where you're like, oh my God, it starts to kind of get out of control. The other things I would look into are eating in ways

Starting point is 01:14:39 to reduce the inflammatory response. Sleep is probably going to be really important. And then, and this again, I'm not a doctor, so I'm just going to encourage you to look this up for yourself. to reduce the inflammatory response, sleep is probably gonna be really important. Yes. And then, yes. And this again, I'm not a doctor, so I'm just gonna encourage you to look this up for yourself. But I would look into cannabinoids and how that may help with your body's inflammatory response

Starting point is 01:14:56 and your immune response, but also talk to your doctor. I'm assuming you're on immune suppressing drugs. So talk to your doctor before you try anything to help yourself out. Okay, great. Great. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:15:11 No problem. And by the way, we're going to send you Map Starter if you don't already have it. Oh, I don't. Thank you so much. I actually was looking at the programs that you listed in the book, Sal, and was thinking, you know, would this be something I should do? Or so that's great. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:15:25 Yeah, you actually the programs in the books will do you just find as well, but Map Starter also, but you go and start with Map Starter, since there's videos that great. Okay, okay. Okay, that's great. Thank you so much. No problem. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:15:37 Why do I, why do I love her so much? Is it the act? Is it the great mentality? Is that what it is? I can't tell if it's the accent or maybe you're a great attitude. No, she does. I mean, you could tell that she's done her homework, you know, saying, and you could tell she's got a great attitude towards health and fitness, like really cool.

Starting point is 01:15:54 And talk about very unfortunate situation to be in. I don't think I've trained a client with that condition. Not that, that's super rare, but I've trained lots of people with issues that flare up when the intensity gets too high, you know, fibromyalgia, you know, being one of the multiple sclerosis and other one like this. It's like exercise can be the best medicine, resistance training in particular,

Starting point is 01:16:16 can be the best medicine, but like any medicine. It's all about the dose. Yes, too much becomes poison, literally. So you have to air on the side of less and just allow that medicine to do its job, and it's hard, right? Especially when you're someone like her who, you know, what she did before.

Starting point is 01:16:31 You want it, you're like, you know, you're gonna change what it, you know, the definition of working out totally. Our next caller is John from Arizona. Hey, what's up, John? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I was listening a couple of weeks ago,

Starting point is 01:16:44 and you had talked to somebody about splitting your workout sessions in half. And my question was, should I take my exercises and do like the first five exercises in the morning and the second five in the afternoon or should I take all the exercises and kind of split the sets in half and do all the exercises in the morning, half the sets, and then the second half of the sets in the afternoon. Yeah, this is a really, really good question. And fun one.

Starting point is 01:17:12 And fun one. So the old school way of doing it, it's called a double split routine is the old body builder style. And this was a routine that got popular in the 70s. You see guys like Arnold and Franco and all those bodybuilders back then, what they would do is they would do the first option that you said, right? They'd come in the morning and they'd do chest and back

Starting point is 01:17:31 and then later on they'd come in the afternoon and do shoulders and biceps or something like that, right? Now, when we look at Olympic lifters or other types of lifters, it's a little bit different. They tend to do the second option where they're practicing, rather than doing 10 sets of squats all at once, they'll do five in the morning and five in the evening.

Starting point is 01:17:52 Now I've personally experimented with both and I do have a preference. The preference I have is for the second option. I've gotten stronger, better. I did not, you're gonna go that way. By splitting the workout, absolutely. So rather than doing four sets know, four sets of, you know, let's say I have to do four sets for chest,

Starting point is 01:18:09 four sets for back, four sets for shoulders, I'll do two of each in the morning and then in the afternoon. And the reason why I changed my opinion, because I would have said the first option before, is because I started experimenting with these all day workouts where I would do, you know do three sets of the same exercises every other hour all day long. And I noticed some very interesting things.

Starting point is 01:18:29 I actually got stronger as the day progressed and I was able to do this tremendous amount of volume. And I noticed I got like built muscle very quickly from doing it. And I think most people benefit from that practicing the movement kind of more frequently than they would from just hammering a muscle with more volume all at once. So I'm gonna lean more towards the splitting up the sets

Starting point is 01:18:52 for this particular question. I did not think you were gonna go that way. I did not think you're gonna go that way at all You know, so and I don't disagree with you. My answer would have been like there's no wrong answer here and I would encourage you actually to try both. I mean, just because the only drawback I would think of for the way you're explaining right now, Sal is somebody getting into the groove, right? So if you like, let's say squats, right? So let's say you have four sets of squats

Starting point is 01:19:17 and you're only gonna do set two sets of squats in the morning. I mean, sometimes I feel like it takes me till my second or third squat. That's immediately what I would have thought. It was like, yeah, sometimes you might need that third set to really like get into, you know, I feel like it takes me till my second or third squabble. That's immediately what I would have thought. It was like, yeah, sometimes you might need that third set to really get into the feel of it and really get into that sweet spot.

Starting point is 01:19:31 But yeah, I've noticed the same thing, though, splitting it up and working on the second two, latter half of the day. It's just nice because now we're just reiterating on that signal you were sending earlier and your body just feels the difference of that. I mean, I guess this is why I knew it would be a fun question because I don't think there's a wrong answer here, right?

Starting point is 01:19:50 So it's really up to the user. It is, and you know, it's funny. It's like, I've done the double split stuff before, and I didn't notice a huge benefit aside from the fact that, you know, maybe if the workout was too long all at once that I have a little bit more stamina if I rest for a few hours and then come back.

Starting point is 01:20:10 It wasn't a huge benefit, but when I did the set split and I would do the same exercise again later in the day, I noticed a much bigger benefit. It was like, it wasn't just cutting the workout. I see, I feel I disagree. So I feel like when I was able to, so what happens to me when we do like a full body routine, right, is you know, legs and back and chest, they really, they really tax you. They're big muscles. And so I did feel like, you know, whatever comes after legs or back just doesn't quite

Starting point is 01:20:40 get the same intensity towards that. Where if I got to break it up or the morning time, I might do legs or back and then I go chest and shoulders and other, later on, I felt like I could give more towards my chest and shoulders because I got that rest. So, again, I don't think there's a wrong answer here, John. I do think that this is gonna be a personal preference thing.

Starting point is 01:21:00 It would be very interesting and I'd like to hear you play with both and hear what you say. Now, you know what, the little bit more information I'd like here. How many hours in between the two workouts are we talking? Right now I'm getting up and working out about five o'clock. I've been doing the RGB bundle for the last year. And it'd probably be around the same time in the morning and there would probably be the earliest

Starting point is 01:21:26 would probably be three in the afternoon. So what's that about 10 hours between the two workouts? Okay, so that's good. That's a pretty big gap. And the reason why I asked is Adam made the comment that it takes him a few sets to get into a squat. Well, actually find with studies that if you prime your body,

Starting point is 01:21:41 that effect lasts for a few hours, but you're well beyond that. So you might actually find that, you might actually find that if you prime your body, that affect last for a few hours, but you're well beyond that. So you might actually find that, you might actually find that if you did half your squats in the morning, half your squats in the afternoon, you'd still need to prime and stuff just like you did in the morning. So that's actually something to consider.

Starting point is 01:21:55 But I swear to God, it is very strange. When I do the same volume, but increase the frequency, in other words, rather than doing four sets of bench press in the morning, if I did one set of bench press, four times throughout the day, for example, I just get this like, it feels very anabolic. This is where trigger session concept

Starting point is 01:22:13 kind of even came from. So I will, you know, experiment with both and see how you feel. I think you'll know pretty quickly. Like you'll do one workout one way, do the next one, the other one, the other way. And I think you'll figure it out pretty quickly, which one your body likes better.

Starting point is 01:22:26 John, do you own a maps prime by chance? Um, I believe I have prime pro. Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to have Doug send you maps prime because if you do it south way, my recommendation then would be to make sure that you prime before you leave Sure. Because then at least at least that will combat my challenge with it. So my challenge with it is the whole getting in the groove, taking me a couple sets just to get in the groove.

Starting point is 01:22:50 And exercise, if you do your due diligence and do a really good job of priming your body before you go into each, both your morning and evening workout, then Sal's way may be more favorable. But I definitely would recommend utilizing prime for that. That's really what it's designed to do. So we'll shoot prime over to you when you do sales ways, when you do it sales way, well, you should do it no matter what, both ways I should say.

Starting point is 01:23:14 But I mean, that's definitely, I would put more emphasis on that. All right. Thank you guys. I appreciate that. No problem, John. Thanks for calling. Yeah, it's really weird. You know, when I did those workouts, it was it was such a fricking trip. Yeah, but you also had

Starting point is 01:23:31 shorter breaks though. I did, but I've also done it where I have long breaks. And I actually experiment exactly with what he said. It is so fricking weird. And the reason why I said you'll feel it right away is because I did right away. I did it. And I was like, this feels very different. Yeah. One thing that I did it, and I was like, this feels very different. And my body. One thing that I did notice too, it is like maybe four or five hours of difference between the two sessions,

Starting point is 01:23:53 it was just wasn't as taxing. Like I felt, I was less likely to have that feeling of overtraining where you would with the four sets in a row where I'm like, oh, you know, like sometimes I'll push it a little too far. If I'm not checking myself versus splitting like that, it just felt like both sessions were like, no charge. Now, so when you did that, are you giving yourself a, you know, like let's say you go into

Starting point is 01:24:17 a shoulder press in the morning and the evening time, are you giving yourself like a just moving the bar set that doesn't, it's a non-working set? Are you going right into a working set? No, no, no, no. I would do, I would still do like a five to 10 minute warmup and then I'd go into the workout, both workouts. If the gap was big. Now when I did the all day workouts,

Starting point is 01:24:36 this was the weird, this was really weird. It was every other hour. I would only have to prime for the first workout. Well, yeah, that makes sense, right? Because you're like you said, you're already pretty warmed up, you're in good posture, you're connected there, it's not a big gap. So that makes sense that you wouldn't have to prime before.

Starting point is 01:24:52 But if you got a nice, you know, 10 hour gap between the workouts, I would imagine it's almost like restarting over again and you got to kind of prime the body, warm up set and then go into it. Yeah, I would love to experiment just, and this is just, I don't think this is practical for most people, but, you know, obviously, we, this is what we do for a living, and so we could make this happen. I would love to do, like, instead of doing a full body workout in the morning,

Starting point is 01:25:13 three sets each exercise, do one set each exercise three times that day. So one work on the morning, one workout in the afternoon, one workout in the evening. And just, no, just see, is there a difference? It's the same total volume, same work. Is there a difference in how my body responds? Well, the second way is what reflects kind of how I train now, with us having a gym here and now that I have this set up in my house, yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:33 I, you know, you guys will see me sometimes I just do a few things here. Well, that's not my complete workout. I go home and I do a few more things. I do the same thing. Our next caller is Damien from Minnesota. Hey, what's up Damien, how can we help you? Hi, it is so awesome to be talking to you guys.

Starting point is 01:25:48 This is kind of unreal. Yeah, huge fans. Anyway, so I've gone through a little context. I've gone through a number of your programs now. I think about five coming up, but I found my way to powerless recently, really been loving it over halfway through. And I've worked in the past to be able to pass all three compass tests in that prime.

Starting point is 01:26:18 And I prime regularly, you know, work on mobility when appropriate and stuff like that, but I've developed some kind of intense left hip flexor pain that pops up not while I list, but kind of after I list that day or the next day. And I've never had hip flexor issues in the past. I've had some issues with tight hamstrings and a little bit of a self diagnosed posterior pelvic tilt that I've worked on correcting. So I've never had hip flexor pain before and just kind of strikes me

Starting point is 01:26:49 as a potential issue down the road if I want to keep powerlifting, which I do. So I'd love your thoughts on maybe what's causing that and what I could do to prevent injury in the future if I keep lifting heavy. Yeah great question, Damien. And it's so funny that you just asked this this question. So I was just talking to Marlon Shamal. He's one of our trainers on our YouTube channel, really, really smart guy, really strong guy,

Starting point is 01:27:16 tremendously strong for his body weight. You also competed in powerlifting recently. He puts us all the shame. And I just had a conversation with him the other day. He knows his shit very good. And he sends me a message and he goes, you know what's weird, he goes, I was having hip issues, I couldn't figure out what it was.

Starting point is 01:27:31 And what it was was my hip flexors were weak. Now this is not common. Usually hip flexors are tight in people. You find weak hip flexors and people that are generally weak, but people that tend to lift or train often, you typically don't like work on strengthening their hip flexors. It tends to not necessarily be a solution. But in his case, it was weakness in his hip flexors.

Starting point is 01:27:54 He strengthened them and the pain was gone. Now the reason why I'm communicating this to you is because you did the Compass test very well, you don't have mobility issues, you've followed all of our programs. I bet I can guess you've never really tested your hip flexor strength, most people don't. So I'm wondering if you actually have a weakness

Starting point is 01:28:14 in your hip flexors. And then the second thing I would say is to look at core stability because they're so closely connected. Look at those two things, is your core stable and strong enough to support the rest of your body and do you in fact have a weak hip flexors? And if you do strengthen the hip flexors, that might actually solve your issue.

Starting point is 01:28:34 Well, I can add, I want to add to this, Damien, have you ever squatted barefoot and looked at your feet? I've squatted barefoot at home, like with dumbbells, body weight, pistols, stuff like that, but not at the gym with a heavy barbell. Well, I don't need you to load it heavy, but I would love to see you record your feet. And by the way, I'll have dogs, and I sound like you have most of my problems. And I'm always trying to get foot videos in the gym. Yeah, real fetish.

Starting point is 01:29:02 Yeah, this is not for my fetish, Damien. I promise. I'm going to have Doug give you access to our private forum because this is how we use the forum all the time. And I'm always very careful to try and assess somebody over the podcast because this is very nuanced and very tough and I mean, especially for this. Yeah, exactly. And especially for someone like you who seems to know his stuff, right? So I'm not going to just take a while, guess, and say that something's weak or tight or there's something's wrong unless I could see you move. But what I would want to see is I would love to see your feet in a really deep

Starting point is 01:29:35 squat and see what happens. Now, what could also be causing this is something very similar because I have a very similar issue. And it comes from actually, my left foot will actually pronate when I get really deep in the squat. And that pronation also internally rotates the femur, which makes it really tight. And when I'm loading the bar really heavy, I'll get some pain in that hip flexor on that side more than the other side. So I would actually want to see your feet and see if there's

Starting point is 01:30:03 any discrepancy from the left to right before I just assume that you have a weak hip flexor. So if you could do that, that would help me assess even better. But I agree with Sal, you could also test what he's saying. Yeah, that would be great out. I'll send that right away.

Starting point is 01:30:20 All right, perfect. Thanks, Damien. Thank you guys. Thank you for all you do. I'm a personal trainer and I say I get I got certified to race, but I actually learned stuff from mind pumps. So thank you, guys. Oh, awesome. Thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was such a weird way. I heard it from Marlin and then it made sense, right?

Starting point is 01:30:38 He's like, I would have never because I mean, let me ask you guys, how often have you? No, has an issue been solved because you strengthen someone's hip flexors, right? It's very rare. It's rare to even check that. Yes. And I think I'm trying to remember exactly what drill, that was it really exposed that for me. And I think it was where Dr. Brink placed a book

Starting point is 01:30:57 on my stomach and I held my knee in and then lifted my leg up and then tried to keep that from separating and just using that to really try and like, isometrically squeeze and close. Oh, I've never even heard that. So you brought your, you had a book on your explain that again. So you have a book that you're trying to smash into your stomach, your ribs basically.

Starting point is 01:31:18 And then now I'm like extending my leg out. Oh wow. And then back in and try not to separate the two. And you saw a difference between right and left? Yes, there's a discrepancies. Oh, well, it's. What a great assessment. I mean, I can feel that just by pushing on my thigh

Starting point is 01:31:30 and then doing that, you can feel it. You sit down on your butt and then, we'll have to do a video. Yeah, because if you're hamstrings. Make that a big shot of video, write that down and do that. That's what it'll be great for. Yeah, because if your hamstrings are tight

Starting point is 01:31:39 and your hip flexors are trying to stabilize and so you're pulling against each other, I mean, believe it or not, it could be weak hip flexors. Not common, but and so you're pulling against each other. I mean, believe it or not, it could be weak hip flexors. Not common, but if he's got like all these great mobility, he's doing all the, the company passes. That's all the marks otherwise. And he hasn't looked there.

Starting point is 01:31:53 I'm like, well, look there and see what's going on. I would also, though, always look feet first now. Of course. That is something that I did not do as a trainer for a very long time. It wasn't until hanging out with Dr. Brink, did he completely just blow my mind on how much of the stuff that we have going on all up here,

Starting point is 01:32:11 all stemming from my feet. And that actually is, so it's my left side, and it's because my left foot pronates, and I still battle with it. So I have to really be cautious of not allowing that to happen. Now here is the difference with him, is he says he has a posterior pelvic tilt.

Starting point is 01:32:26 I know you have an anterior pelvic tilt. Yeah, do you think he really has a posterior pelvic tilt? Well, that's what he said. And he has a trainer. So you can trust him. I have to trust him. I need to watch a video, right? Because a lot of times two people can term it.

Starting point is 01:32:36 And confuse the two. But because he's a posterior pelvic tilt is very normal to me. It's very, very rare and it looks really, really weird. If you've never seen one of you, I mean, it's like, I mean, how often do you guys see it? Do you see it? Well, because you're right. You're right, nothing's better than seeing a video of him.

Starting point is 01:32:52 Do you see it? But because he's a trainer and the way he was talking, and if I took his word for it, posture your pelvic tilt, passes all the compass tests, pain in his hip flexor, I mean, could be the issue that I said. But again, there's no way of knowing until

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1564: The Benefit of Multiple Short Workouts Throughout the Day, How to Overcome Chronic Hip Pain, Ways to Maintain Cardio While Training for Muscle & Strength & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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