Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1569: How to Correct Muscle Imbalances, Tips to Recover from Golfer’s Elbow, How to Train in Hot Weather & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pup, right? In today's episode, we answered live questions, what people called in, told us their fitness stuff, asked us some questions, and we answered them. We actually coached them live on air.

Starting point is 00:00:27 By the way, if you wanna participate in a live episode, email your question to live at mindpumpmedia.com. All right, so we opened up by talking about Justin's clock. Looks like he couldn't figure it out, but my 11 year old daughter took 30 seconds and she got to fix that. Oh man, I wish I could have seen that. Then we talked about the American math team,

Starting point is 00:00:44 that won for the first time in 30 years, we beat China. Yeah, we got American Chinese. Yes, yes, that's it. You win. Wonderful. Then we talked about big athletes and genetics. There's some massive kids out there. It makes me a little jealous.

Starting point is 00:00:57 Then we talked about Adam's son playing in front of the Juve light. By the way, Juve makes red light therapy lights that improve the quality and the youthfulness of your skin, they accelerate recovery, lots of health benefits, even shown to race testosterone in men with low testosterone. Go check them out, they're the only ones on the market

Starting point is 00:01:17 that we support, and we do have a discount for you. So if you go to juve.com, that's j-o-o-v-v-e.com forward slash mine pump, and use the code mine pump, you will to juv.com, that's j-o-o-v-v.com forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump You will get a discount then I talked about a computer that can read your mind It's getting really weird out there stop freaking me out And then I brought up a drone that was a ton of miss so it's a ton of misdrone flying by itself and he killed someone Nothing nothing to see here nothing scary there Then we talked about the son of Sam and the zodiac killer,

Starting point is 00:01:46 Justin's really into that kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm going deep. Then we talked about participation trophies, and then we had a great discussion of debate around haters and social media bias and regulations. You use people that love the hear sound and Adam argue. Here you go. There it is.

Starting point is 00:02:03 Now that was the intro portion, which is 55 minutes long. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first question. It was from Deborah from Texas. She's working out in the heat, wants to know what she can do to improve her tolerance to the heat, so she can get better workouts. The second question was from Ryan from Canada.

Starting point is 00:02:21 He's been working out for a long time, wants to work out consistently, even though he's hiking and hunting quite a bit. So I wanted some advice. The third question was Ali from Maryland. She's a power lifter once and know how to activate her lats better when she deadlifts. The fourth question was from Brian from Texas. This is a former athlete, been working out for a long time, want some advice on mobility and on correcting muscle and balances. And the final question was Peggy from California. She's been working out for a while. She's 63 years old, fit,

Starting point is 00:02:54 but has some golfers elbow. So I wanted to know some solutions for that. Also, all month long, we are running a huge sale. So Maps Prime, Maps Prime Pro pro and our prime bundle which is already discounted by close to 30% off all of those are an additional 50% off Right so 50% off everything. I just said go check them out go to maps fitness products calm just use the code June prime with no space for a discount You know that clock behind you? That weird, what's it called? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Steam punk? Okay, what's your theory? Because I have it like preset for something very... No, no, no, no. Very special. You didn't look at it, did you? You have a preset? Look at it right now.

Starting point is 00:03:37 10, 45. That's the time. No. You just ruined my clock. You really? It was a countdown to the apocalypse. Oh, okay. No, you were saying like, yeah, okay. No, I didn't.

Starting point is 00:03:45 You were saying, you're, you were saying, yeah, but okay, so you fixed it. Not me. So you know we had the conversation. No, he'd salvage some text in a second. I was, my mind was about to just explode. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:57 It's a body snatcher. It was a person. It's a solid I had to work on text. Sometimes it works. The clip in Zoolander. Yeah. It's just like, oh, oh, yeah. Turn it.

Starting point is 00:04:06 Yeah. That's awesome. So, you know how we had the conversation about our kid, this was off air, right? About how our kids are just tech is so instinctual to them, and intuitive. Like my baby's son, my seven month old baby. He hears my voice on the phone.

Starting point is 00:04:21 He knows to look for the screen to see my face. Like he knows, he already knows how to hang up. He's seven months old. Yeah. He'll like push the button or what? It's crazy. And it's because they grow with us, we learn this stuff later. It's like learning a language later.

Starting point is 00:04:34 You have an accent, right? These kids grow up with it, so there's just no accents. Totally into it. So I came in here with my daughter and my son, because my son's getting trained by Serene, so me and my daughter, who who's 11 are in your hanging out And I said hey, I'll give you 20 bucks if you can figure out how to program that complicated steam punk looking No way okay 30 seconds

Starting point is 00:04:56 30 seconds later she goes this is the right time right and I'm like yeah, how did you do that? She's like I push this button that button and then it gets so, so now, you go, it's like a whole sequence, she just figured out. Totally figured out. She's like, $300 an hour, this girl. Dude, there's literally two buttons on there, and I was like, this,

Starting point is 00:05:14 ooh, nothing, it ended up in scrambled code. So I gotta give her 20 bucks now, but she figured out, and the way impressive. And what's cool about it is, besides the the way it looks looks really cool. It's a 24 hour. Mm-hmm. So it's not a 12 hour, right? And so what it does is when it gets to midnight. It's it's zero. I see and then it starts one Right, and it goes all the way up, so but that's it. She figured out I couldn't believe it cool 30 seconds Clockstone. They worked that way. Is that where yeah? Yeah, that's all they do in other countries too, is they go 24 hour.

Starting point is 00:05:48 Yeah, they don't say AMPM, they just say. Well, yeah, 15 of Courtney still uses, I mean, her watch and her phone, like, you know, do military times, so basically, yeah, it's just, and that always confuses the hell out of me. It's like 15, 30 or whatever. Why does she do that? Because in nursing, they run by that.

Starting point is 00:06:06 So she just kept it like that. The truth is, it's way more efficient and better. Because you don't get a mistake of was that PM or AM. Now, here's the thing, this is one thing I love about America. We don't care. No, you guys have your metric system back. Metric system super easy to understand, right? It is, it's not.

Starting point is 00:06:23 Free straight forward. But no, we're gonna stick to refuse Complicated. Yeah, we're gonna go So I nobody likes America. I think we're all air. Yeah, that's not true. It's true, dude There's some truth very very view places. I don't see anybody I mean they're not swimming across the ocean and drowning to go anywhere else well. Yeah to come here But if you're if you live but maybe if you live in that comment that makes us hate it Yeah, if you live in another country though, and you you're not a fan, you know, but they're just the best of all the countries.

Starting point is 00:06:49 That's all. That's all. No big deal. No big deal. I feel the burn. Hey, someone sent me a picture. Okay, who brought it up? Which one of you brought up the mathematics team that won?

Starting point is 00:07:03 I did. Okay, did you look them up? Of course I did. Okay. Did you look them up? Of course I did. Okay. So are they four Chinese kids? Four American kids. Chinese American kids. Yes.

Starting point is 00:07:11 They are, huh? Uh-huh. Okay. So I speculated on that, like joking around, and somebody sent me a picture. I didn't know if it was like a meme, like a meme. Because it says, oh, like we won the first time. In 30 years. In 30 years.

Starting point is 00:07:21 In 30 years. Yes. And so, but we have, yeah, they're Chinese American kids. Chinese American kids. But I mean, for us, is there a, is there a, is there always wins. Yes, and so, but we have, yeah, they're Chinese American kids. But I mean, for us, is there a, is there a, is there any picture, exemplify America more than that?

Starting point is 00:07:30 Is that, I love that. Yeah, like, like, we're, it doesn't matter how you look, you're here, you're American. Totally. And that's the only thing, but yeah. It's just a bit ironic, that's it. That's the time,

Starting point is 00:07:39 it's just a tiny bit. It's a tiny bit. It tracks me up. Yeah, that's like when we, we finally went hockey. Yeah, and, and everyone got so mad. What? He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit.

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Starting point is 00:08:04 He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny bit. He's a tiny like, that was a big deal. Huge deal. Yeah, and soccer are men's team keeps losing, right? But the women's team dominates. Women's team is bad ass. Yeah, they crush. Yeah. And I think it's probably because we have the most opportunities for sports for women, some of the best in the world. So you can find women going through this process of training.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Now when it comes to soccer for men, we don't have a market for men's soccer like they do in Europe. It's just not as popular here to watch. Exactly. So because of that, then you're not going to see as much talent and focus. After elementary school, we're kind of over it. Yeah, we definitely do. We move on to football.

Starting point is 00:08:37 Although, listen, I'm not a sports fan, and I know your criticism of soccer is that they fall down and pretend to get hurt all the time. It was valid. But I've been reading all these memes about LeBron doing that all time. Is that like a thing that he does where they fall down? Oh, I'm hurt. Yeah. He is now, and by the way, I'm going to defend him right now, but I'm not a fan of,

Starting point is 00:08:55 of him anymore, right? I'm definitely not a LeBron fan. He, and he does cry a lot about it in his defense, though. And this is just, this has always been in the NBA. When you're a bigger, stronger player, the refs just tend to, you get hit more. That's just part of the game. It's like, when you're a big physical specimen,

Starting point is 00:09:13 like a shakil, like shakil, oh, Niel was probably, I mean, they invented a strategy called hack a shack. You know, like it was like, right? Yeah, there was, there was a, well, because also he couldn't shoot free throws very well. So it's like, we'd rather have him on the free throw line shooting because likelihood of him making both was not that way. So I mean, just push him.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah, just push him. And so I mean, LeBron does cry a lot and then there's tons of memes around him and he's annoying, but it's also because he is just a physical beast and he is dominating. Yeah, he imposes his will physically on people. And so I think the way that reps call it is totally fair. If you're somebody who's like that, if you're gonna drop your shoulder and drive into the lane and mow over guys that are 50, 70 pounds lighter than you are,

Starting point is 00:09:56 yeah, you're not gonna get all the fouls called your life. You're gonna give you a foul for a little finger that's raised your foreheads. That's right. So, I don't feel sorry for him whatsoever, because that's been happening to big men in the NBA for Well, so Beginning so wasn't he correct me if I'm wrong didn't he go straight to the NBA after high school? Was that him?

Starting point is 00:10:15 Lebron no Kobe did that was Kobe. Okay, but he was mellow was he another one? No him well No, actually you're right mellow and him came out the same year And they did for some reason I thought they did one year. But now was it LeBron like a phenom in high school and they were trying to get him? Oh yeah, yeah, no, they were falling. They were falling. It's crazy when you can look at the genetic spectrum.

Starting point is 00:10:37 There was a kid, I don't remember, I don't have the article, it was bad on me, but there was this kid who was going into high school. So he's in eighth grade He's he was six three two hundred and thirty pounds. He's got a shirt off and he's like This kid is a monster. Yeah, and he's gonna be a freshman Like he's bigger than I could ever get traded He's like 14 years old and would run me over. It's just crazy when he because you could he hasn't even grown yet What's he gonna be like when he's a senior? Oh, yeah. Or call it, it's gonna be crazy.

Starting point is 00:11:06 Yeah, I don't know, maybe Doug, you can, of course. You can find him, you can go high school freshman, 230 pound football player or whatever, this is a picture of him like flexing. Just a powerhouse. And you can tell he's a kid, because he's got, you know when kids are big, they're not like shredded,

Starting point is 00:11:21 but you can see the potential, he looks like a big puppy. Yeah. That's what he looks like, and you're like, oh my gosh, but you can see the potential. He looks like a big puppy. Yeah, that's what he looks like. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this kid is a complete monster. Well, a lot of times that's how they they draft these kids is based. They follow them early. Well, if not only they follow them early, but then they also like based off of their genetic potential. Like they don't get down to measuring their finger length, their vertical job. Well, you know, the NFL camps that have set up in like Samoa because of how many football players that island itself has produced. It's like, hey, especially colleges too, they're just like, they plant people there to,

Starting point is 00:11:55 to, you know, follow these kids. I look at this kid. I don't know if you can expand that or whatever. He looks like Zion. Bro, look at the size of that kid. Well, you, I mean, mean, you, oh my God. Do you know who Zion is? Do you watch him at all in basketball?

Starting point is 00:12:08 Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was wrong. He's 65 to 60. My bad. He's way bigger than I said. Yeah, follow that kid, dude. He's gonna do something. Yeah, so I have read about Zion. Wasn't he the guy that blew out his shoe?

Starting point is 00:12:19 Yeah, yeah, we brought that up that one time, so. And his shoe couldn't like pull that whatever. But the way he moves for his size is just insane. You've just never seen a guy that size move like that. So it's already crazy like how big and dominant he is. But when you see them, and let me tell you, in person, it's a whole other thing. Like it's one thing to see it on television.

Starting point is 00:12:37 I know. When they're being compared to other, you know, crazy specimens. You can't tell. Yeah. But when you get like in person and yourself is standing right there and they walk by, that's the weirdest thing is when they move like we would move, you know, like, but

Starting point is 00:12:50 they're so much bigger. Yeah, faster and more agile. Well, because it used to be that, it used to be different, like you'd get guys that were like seven foot or whatever, but they just like, we're all lanky and would move kind of awkwardly, but you know, they still dominate. And now they're athletic too. And this is the thing, I've been on all these podcasts, talking about the book, right?

Starting point is 00:13:10 The resistance training revolution. Oftentimes they'll bring up people are afraid of working out with weights because they don't want to get too big, especially women. And I try to explain to them, there's such a small percentage of people that that's even an issue. Like you don't even see these people in real life ever.

Starting point is 00:13:26 But yeah, you're right Adam, when you see it in person, you know when I first that really hit me, when we did a map strong and we worked with Robert Obers. Robert Obers. I'm gonna do the speed ladder. He's a huge human being, right? He's a world strongest man competitor. And then we were in here filming agility drills

Starting point is 00:13:42 for map strong and how nimble he was on his feet. And then he goes over and starts to pull up. See, like five in a row just yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my god. 300 and something. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, this is, yeah, this is different. Too strong. This doesn't take anything from their hard work, but there's definitely a massive genetic component.

Starting point is 00:14:01 Yeah, you combine that with hard work. And it's like, yeah, it doesn't even make sense. But boy, does that make a huge difference? So anyway, pretty great. Hey, that video of your son playing in front of the light. Oh, the two flight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what do you do?

Starting point is 00:14:14 Do you put it on and then you're doing your skin and then he just hangs out with the attracted to it? Yeah, no, so that's, so I mean, I've always had a way back when I remember Choki, I think made a post of him when he was first born. I remember asking the doctor if he thought it was okay. And he said, no, actually, it's really good for him to do it when I first had him. And so he's been around it since the beginning.

Starting point is 00:14:34 And it started with me as he's gotten older now. He would walk in and see me standing in front of it. And then he'd come in and he'd play with me. So, and then obviously just thinks it's so neat. It makes the whole room glow red. And it's now set up in Katrina's office. And so he goes in there all the time. And he will grab me by the hand and he wants me to turn it on. So, you know, we'll go to Katrina and I will wake, it's become this little routine now where he likes to do it so much. We just

Starting point is 00:14:58 go in the office. All three of us will switch it on. And now, obviously for the best benefits of it, you should stand like with six inches away from it to naked and all this stuff like that. But it's still, you're still catching those, the light, right, when you're even in there. So we'll switch it on whenever we go in the office and play around in there and he loves it. He's attracted to it, he thinks it's a legend.

Starting point is 00:15:18 So I've been telling you guys, Jessica's been using it pretty regularly. We have the small, you know, a little personal unit. And I can tell, it's not even subtle. It's a huge difference. A huge difference. To the point where I actually thought she was putting on like foundation or something.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Well, that's originally right. So before Juve came around and the first introduction of like red light usage was more like dermatologist and skin, right? They were a beauty. They were in beauty salon. Yeah, it wasn't until later did all the research about like recovery and stuff came later.

Starting point is 00:15:49 And that's obviously what I think made it explode. It was like, oh, we found out that not only is it great for skin and hair, but it's incredible also for recovery too. And so there's always performance benefits too as well. Yeah, remember they signed with the Niners? Yeah, I forget what other they have. They have them in, there's all these panels that they have on the wall. That's really cool.

Starting point is 00:16:07 It's like mounted already. So players just go in there and there's like a whole, like, like, not rehabilitation, but like one of those, like, recovery centers where they have a lot of those things like the Norma Tech boots and all these other kind of devices to help with the recovery process. But I thought that was super cool that they actually. I mean, you know, that's always a good sign. Like when you, when you think something's going to take off, right? A company's going to explode is when like it sport an NFL or an MBA or like a professional

Starting point is 00:16:34 sport, a doctor. Money's on the line for them. Yeah. And they, and exactly. And they're willing to spend that extra money to try getting that competitive edge. So I think speaking of like companies and before they explode or what about that, I just bought a try to share. I'll try and share this more often when I do this. And by the way, I get questions all the time about stocks. Like I'm not, I'm not any, I don't follow

Starting point is 00:16:55 me. I just share what I'm doing and the logic behind why I do it. He's the wolf of mine. No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. In fact, my portfolio is not even doing that great right now. Don't follow me. But I do believe in this idea of, okay, if there's companies that you believe in and you like, right, and you've done your research on what they're doing, and they've been around already for a while, right? It's a smart investment long term. This is not AMC, right? I'm advising people because that thing's up 11. It's a smart investment long term. This is not AMC, advising people because that thing's up a level.

Starting point is 00:17:27 That's a stable company. Yeah, like general mills. So news came out not that long ago that they have committed by 2030 to have one million acres of regenerative farmland. So I think that's the direction we're going. Obviously that's a big conversation with climate change and things like that. The farms that will continue, it's either you're either pro-vegan that side because of those things or you think regenerative farming is the direction.

Starting point is 00:17:54 I'm a fan of regenerative farming and that's the direction that I think they're going to start pushing almost all companies. Then committing to over one million acres of that by 2030, I just think that's gonna be a smart bet. Yeah, smart. I mean, it seems like the consumers are demanding businesses really like moving that direction, or they're gonna get a lot of grief

Starting point is 00:18:15 and people won't buy their products. Not only that, but it's not out of the realm of perceptible or what might happen is that we're going to see regulations in fine. So that's what I think. So my theory is we're going to start to see that. And it'll actually save up money because it's right. It's totally charged or they'll get rebates or some kind of.

Starting point is 00:18:35 That's why I like a bet like this. So I see that. I feel like the writing is on the wall that we're moving in this direction where they are, they're going to tax the people that are not farming that way higher and make it more difficult for them, which will force all these companies. So the companies that see that coming already and are already investing heavily in getting that ready. So I think that's a good thing.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Yeah, and the other reason why you'd wanna invest in a company that you believe in and know about and use their products is it helps you ride the waves, right? Because the biggest challenge with investing is, and this is what the biggest mistake, everybody knows this, right? Because the biggest challenge with investing is, and this is what the biggest mistake, it's in everybody knows this, right? Buy low sell high, right? So buy one something's cheap, sell one, it makes money. Everybody knows that, lots of people don't do it,

Starting point is 00:19:14 because they panic when it goes down, and when it goes up, they want to buy something, because it looks like it's doing really great. What helps you ride that is if you just believe in the company. So you know what's funny is, so I only invest this way with Max's portfolio. My portfolio, I do all the asshole stuff. You do all the crazy risks. I do, I do.

Starting point is 00:19:31 Yeah, my buddy calls me, oh this is a great buy. I just, I think I'm getting some great tip. See if you look, I do that dumb shit on my own portfolio. Max, because I'm not thinking right now in the next five years. I'm thinking about 20 plus years for him. So I don't mess around with the likes. You're not impulsive. Yeah, I'm not impulsive. I'm not speculating on what's going to happen in the next five years, I'm thinking about 20 plus years for him. Right. So I don't mess around with the likes. You're not impulsive. Yeah, I'm not impulsive.

Starting point is 00:19:47 I'm not speculating on what's going to happen in the next year. So I'm just like, okay, this is already a Saul. All his companies are solid big companies and been around for a while already. And then news comes out about a direction of 10 years. 10 years just goes way back. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's already that way.

Starting point is 00:20:03 My portfolio is, yeah, it's, I mean, I might have a week where mine looks impressive and amazing, but then I'll send them a dips down and it's, that's all, it's already that way my portfolio is yeah, it's I mean I might have a week where mine looks Impressive and amazing, but then I'll send an adips down and it's that's all that's all I do because I hate watching that up and down So like bait, you know back in the day I invested in a cannabis company was GW pharmaceutical Which I sold because they end up getting acquired and whatever But it helped me stay with them because, and they fluctuated like crazy. But I believed in the science so much that I rode the wave. If I wasn't one of those people that believed in that, I would have sold way too low.

Starting point is 00:20:32 I would have freaked out, you know, for sure. Anyway, you guys might hear something speaking of freaking out, I might hear something crazy. This is gonna blow you away. Just blow me away. So I read this article, and this is the title of the article. Okay. Computers will be able to read images from your brain Oh, you're way, so I read this article and this is the title of the article, okay? Computers will be able to read images from your brain within a decade. What so within a decade

Starting point is 00:20:54 Computers will literally be able to Print or decipher the image that's in your head like what you're thinking about at that moment in time So there's an artificial intelligence system for researchers at Kyoto universities, is in Japan, that through working through deep learning and generative networks, it can read the image in a person, a person sees in their mind's eye and transform it into digital photographs with up to 99% accuracy. So in other words, a person thinks of an image

Starting point is 00:21:23 that computer through this technology will then print the image, and it's 99% accurate. So are they tracking all of your body language? Like, how does this algorithm work? And like, what are they, how do they determine like all these plot points of like, oh, he must be thinking this because it like starts to draw it based on like, so here's a figure eyes are thinking about it. They're not to the point where they

Starting point is 00:21:50 could like interrogate you and say, did you do this? Do you do that? And then print what's happening in your brain? So far, what people have to do is have to actively think about it. Like you have to say like, Adam, think of a pineapple, right? Yeah, yeah, I think about a pineapple and then they do it. But within 10 years, they're going to get to that point. Now that to me is terrifying. Now what I think is interesting is that it's you're saying it's 99% accurate. Like, so what if I thought of a pineapple and then it drew it and then Justin thought of a pineapple, would they look exactly the same? You would be the one to determine, you know, so, so, or like, you know, because maybe he's a little more artistic than

Starting point is 00:22:23 I am, his pineapple looks more accurate. No, I think what they would do is they would say, how does that work? No, I think what they would do is they would say, add them think of something. And then the computer does it. And then you'd be like, oh my gosh, that's so weird. I was totally thinking of a 1954, whatever. So that's, I think how they're doing the job. And this isn't like part of Neuralink where they have like a chip already, like within your brain, where it's like communicating.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Are you all praying? Yeah, you all wired up with this. I mean, you are wired up, but I don't they're not putting anything that's invasive according to the article. So really, really weird. That's really, that's hard for me to believe. I need to see this. Really, really weird.

Starting point is 00:22:58 So, and I mean, imagine the applications of a computer being able to literally read what you're thinking in your brain. Imagine that. Imagine being on trial. Dude, we have no more like privacy. Yeah, like you just, you're taking things from my mind now? Well, according to Adam, they'll be able to advertise to you really well, I guess.

Starting point is 00:23:17 That's right. That's right. That's always the only benefit. I mean, you're gonna have to, you're gonna obviously have to. Oh cool, I did want those shoes. Hey, just like the assholes adopted in the Facebook and they get all that shit taken, it's the same thing. You're gonna have to, you're gonna obviously have to. Cool. I did want those shoes. Hey, just like the assholes adopted in the Facebook and they get all that shit taken, it's the same thing. You're gonna have to opt into it. It's not

Starting point is 00:23:29 like they're gonna be able to, it's not like we're gonna be forced to have probes on or not. I don't know. What if they have these machines just like on every corner, like when you go into a store and it's like scanning you and I'm like, no. Look, you're guys taking UFO brains going now. No, no, no. When technology that is this. To coil hats, dude. That is this powerful is way too irresistible for investigative agencies and deep state, you know. For sure, if they can read your mind, you don't, and you think the CIA is gonna be like,

Starting point is 00:23:56 we need to ask their permit. Now they're gonna be like, we're interrogating these terrorists. We're gonna see what's going on. No one's gonna know. So when they come here to. What if this machine just always draws like a, like a stupid bomb? You to, what are they? This machine just always draws like a stupid bomb. One of those old ones is like a wick.

Starting point is 00:24:08 You busted or TNT, like little cartoons or whatever. Well, I could also see that you would probably be trained to mislead the machine. Totally. You know what I'm saying? Or get people to think about something that you want them to think about. Well, yeah, it does remind me of that of, you know, I'm saying right or get people to think about something that you want them to think about Well, yeah, it does remind me of that of

Starting point is 00:24:26 You know, bicycle bicycle bicycle. You're like, ah, yeah Yeah, when they're trying to see if you're lying or not, right? So like that people have cheated that machine and been able to hack You know, they're they're heart rate and everything else to to make sure that like it didn't look like there was any blips So you imagine a commercial version of your in argument with your wife, you know what I mean? She's like, were you looking at that girl at the, what I mean? No. So I'll draw on like two.

Starting point is 00:24:51 Hold on, let me pull up the app. No. Let me pull up the app that I just got. Let's see real quick. Oh my God, I thought you were thinking about it. You said, this is a very problematic style. Yeah, I'm not excited about this. Okay, so more scary technology needs.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Okay, I was on a scary technology news hit the other day. I like it. So you guys ready for this? Here's a title of this one. And I'm gonna close this out here, stupid thing. And autonomous weaponized drone hunted down humans without command for the first time. What?

Starting point is 00:25:20 So for the first time ever, we had a drone that was autonomous, hunt down people that we wanted to and it killed it themselves. Oh my god. This is a UN report that revealed this. So it was an artificially intelligent, you know, drone. So nobody was manning this drone. This drone was basically given information to go find this individual and did a lethal And it was successful with something was it successful or it was successful? It was so the first time an attack by artificial intelligence has taken place and this was in Libya in March 2020

Starting point is 00:25:57 So that's kind of crazy. We've just unleashed kind it. Yeah So what else have we done? Oh my god We're just messing with everything. I've done. That's crazy too much. I know. Right. You imagine that? Just. I'm around. I was like, I'll kill this guy over here. Well, I mean, in terms of all this crazy information, I was watching this, this, the latest documentary, it was on Sun of Sam. And you guys know the Sun of Sam, you know, in one of the most crazy zero killer,

Starting point is 00:26:28 you know, back in, I don't know, the 60s, 70s, but it was the cost of Stereo, massive Stereo in New York, and everybody was scared, it was targeting women, the brown hair, I think, believe, but you would just go and shoot them in their car and everybody is scared. Well, this documentary was going over a lot more evidence that the police didn't even dig

Starting point is 00:26:52 through or do their homework with, that there was more people involved. So not just him? Not just him. And it's very compelling evidence that shows it was part of this, satanic cult, which is my wheel. I was like, oh my God, another cult like that was unknown. You're so into this weird shit. You are, dude. You sleep after this?

Starting point is 00:27:13 Well, it was hard to sleep after this. No, back in their defense, back then though, they didn't even, like serial killer wasn't even termed. Was it, was it even a thing yet? Oh, yeah, that was all, that all came out like at once. Yeah, around that same time, right? And this is where it gets really crazy. So they've crazy with MK Ultra stuff

Starting point is 00:27:28 where they masked with all these people with LSD and they did all these like crazy brainwashing experiments and things. It unleashed all kinds of crazy. And they can actually now trace a lot of these people involved which basically they killed themselves when they started investigating all these other leads. What?

Starting point is 00:27:49 Later. And so it makes even more like why would they kill themselves if they're now looking into them? Well, so here's a, I guess, a more mainstream explanation. Not saying that that's not what happened, but here's a more mainstream one. And you see this, especially as media has gotten bigger and bigger, is that because for a long time, serial killers weren't really a thing. And then all of a sudden, you got a serial killer,

Starting point is 00:28:12 they had lots of media attention. It's not just copycats, but people who are on the edge, they see these media reports, and it pushes them in this particular direction. For example, mass shootings. Mass shootings are the same thing. A mass shooting will happen, and then all of a sudden you'll see another one,

Starting point is 00:28:27 and another one. Well, the thing is, there's an arrogance element there too, with like, we got them. Like, we got them in the case closed. Like, you know, it's so much hysteria that they wanted. Like, this is the answer. It was this guy, end a story,

Starting point is 00:28:41 even though a lot of the, even the victims' families are like, the evidence doesn't look like it could have been just one person being in two different places at the same time. There's a country, I don't know where, but they actually passed a law that made it illegal to post a serial killer or mass shooters name, so they wouldn't get media attention. Yeah. And the goal was to prevent further other people from doing the same thing. And it seems to have worked. I can't remember what. Yeah, I'm in recession.

Starting point is 00:29:07 I shared a long time ago on the podcast. You guys know that that's like with bank robbers, right? Like the bank robberies that happen, they happen all the time. And I believe the success rate is like 50-50. Yeah. So the success rate is so high that they don't want to promote that. They don't want people to know. Really? It's that good.

Starting point is 00:29:22 Yeah, I think it's a lot of people getting away with it. That's what it was before. It's been a long time since I think it's a lot of people get away with it. That's what it was before. It's been a long time since I've read anything around this. But I thought that was a really interesting stat that they actually have a higher success rate and they don't share, they only share people getting caught. Yeah. So they don't, so they don't promote this like it's, it can be done that easy. So it's a,

Starting point is 00:29:39 Exactly. That would think 95% of time you get caught. Yeah, you would think that, but I don't think that's the case. Don't they always have the money that explodes blue or whatever? No. Is that just the movie? Yeah, it's just the movie. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Yeah. You'd think at home. Not when you robbed the teller, right? The teller right there has just got whatever's in her drawer right there. So it's not like she's got paintballs. That's why I'll give them the one with the ink. Yeah, it's like, yeah. You know, to your point though about, like it promotes it or the copycats or whatever

Starting point is 00:30:09 You know that we're seeing something similar in the NBA right now with There's this stupid thing that's happening right now with these fans fans are coming back in this stands and they're causing shit You know like you had somebody dump popcorn on Kyrie Irving when he was throwing out another fan spit on another player behind the bench This is all happening this last like couple weeks another fan ran out on the court and right in the middle of the game It's just because they're there and like now we can interact with everybody. Yeah, I mean they're getting attention right? So they're yeah, they're playing them on ESPN and they're talking all about them and player and they're making a big deal about it and stuff So that's part of why I think it's happening more often now. Then I also think there's a little bit of this like pent up energy because you

Starting point is 00:30:49 locked everybody down for so long and now they're out and about and just can be a cause of ruckus. Yeah, be an idiot. A ruckus. Yeah. Well, that was in breakfast club. I heard a ruckus. I heard a ruckus.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Yeah. I, I think they should handle shit like that the way that Vegas casino handles casinos handle cheaters. You don't see the cheaters. You don't hear about it handle shit like that the way that Vegas casino handles, uh, casinos handle cheaters. You don't see the cheaters. You don't hear about it or nothing like that. Also, they're just missing a hand. Yeah. And exactly.

Starting point is 00:31:12 And they make sure you ain't come out. Well, that's what happens when half of the businesses are owned by like mobsters. Yeah. Well, I'm sure the NBA was at half owned by mobsters. You'd see that. What's a soccer? There was a documentary on that like, uh, who there was a bunch of dot you know this you were you do you know anything about this

Starting point is 00:31:28 like the hooligans no no there was uh... there was a there was several soccer teams or league that was owned by big drug lords that was a there was a cool there's a cool i think thirty for thirty documentary on it uh... well i know in in i mean all over the world saw in some country soccer so worshiped. There was a player that accidentally made a goal in their own net, lost the game, got what when they got home killed. Well, this is during the same era. So that story I believe was in this documentary that I watch. I cannot think of the famous drug dealer who slip in my, you got, you find it, Doug? Colombia. Yeah, I think it is. I would have never

Starting point is 00:32:04 been. Pablo Escobar Pablo was one of them so there was several of them that actually own teams and of course their gambling and betting on it So you like make them throw games and Columbia must be a very energetic country Yeah, I was like too very productive too strong Columbia just people running everywhere That's a Columbia. Just people running everywhere. We have a puppy. It's okay.

Starting point is 00:32:24 That's what we do. You know, speaking of a bunch of treadmills, speaking of the serial killers, did you know that they deciphered the long, you know the zodiac killer? You know that is right? So he's a big deal in San Francisco, I think. And he had put, and he would put out these long notes

Starting point is 00:32:39 to the press, the police in code. They recently deciphered. There were some mathematicians who finally cracked the code. Have you seen this? No. And you can, I don't know if you could pull it up though. No, because it's so different. So the same back to that too, like he had all these people

Starting point is 00:32:53 like listed in his letters that he had and they didn't even like go through and try and find these people. I thought they already cracked that, Sal. Didn't they? Yeah. This wasn't, this wasn't as relatively recently. There were like these math petitions

Starting point is 00:33:05 that finally cracked the code. Because the documentary I could have sworn went into that. Maybe it was, like, within the last five years? Okay, yeah, the documentary is about five years old, I think it's about one. You've seen it, I've got seen it, it's a really good, I did see it, but I don't really remember.

Starting point is 00:33:19 Yeah, so I don't know if you could, if there's parts of it, you could read, but if, 51 years after. It's really creepy, the shit that this guy wrote. This was published in December of last year. Yeah, so it's about a year old. What did it say about that? Now I'm really interested,

Starting point is 00:33:31 because the documentary was well before that. So there's stuff that they found out more later. It was like these notes that he would write that nobody could decipher code crackers. Yeah, they talked about it. He used to write the chronicle. Like he would send them like a letter basically telling him what he'd do in code and they wouldn't be able to decipher it in time before he'd murder somebody.

Starting point is 00:33:49 Yeah, see this is why this is part of the reason why these that you see more of these people is they get that attention. Yeah, you know, it like pushes them in that direction. Like if they it's massive, it's a game to them now. Well, yeah, it's like why would you do kill all these people if you're not, if no one's gonna find out, type of, especially mass shooters, a lot of them. Yeah, but then there's the other side of that, like the best way to probably also find them is to let lots of people know them, because I'm sure there's a lot of success in that also.

Starting point is 00:34:13 There's a bit of that, yeah, because then the more people that are looking at the same time, they can kind of see trends and habits, the behaviors of people around them, like, oh, this guy, double edge sword over there, right? Well, I guess we can't find what it says. But anyway, they did crack it into our private citizens. These are like regular people.

Starting point is 00:34:30 Yeah, I'm just looking into that. That, you know, that we're able to. That's interesting. I didn't know that. That makes me want to read into that because the documentary, I thought I did a great job of going through everything. I thought they figured everything out by then. So if this was only a year old, that was well after that documentary.

Starting point is 00:34:42 So send that, we send that over to the group thread so I can read it out. I'm curious to read what exactly Sal's talking about. It appears like there are 30, 340 ciphers as they call them, like symbols. And it was an Australian mathematician, Sam Blake, that figured it out. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Good for him. Yeah. So you're mentioning the other day about like a, like a dad fail So I'm like I'm like wrestling with something right now. I'm like wondering You know that right make the right move then not so when I was growing up like it when you went from elementary school to

Starting point is 00:35:17 Junior high I mean that was kind of a big deal But there was no ceremony, you know, there was no commencement or like graduation or whatever. And even then it was like, I'm going from sixth grade to seventh grade and then our junior high was seventh and eighth, but now it's like, they do this whole like ceremony and graduation for fifth grade going into sixth grade.

Starting point is 00:35:38 And so like Ethan's doing that today and I'm like, and I opted, you know, obviously to work. And so he's doing that in my whole family's there. And like all this stuff, he's wearing a bow tie today. And I'm like, oh no, baby, I didn't make the right decision. No. I think I did my best. I don't think you'll be brought up.

Starting point is 00:35:56 I don't think you'll be, I mean, I, I probably disagree on this one, right? He's more a family guy on the other side of the, because Katrina and I were literally just talking about something similar because her family celebrates everything. Kid goes from Kidding Garden to first grade, we're celebrating. Kid goes from fifth to sixth, we're celebrating.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Some graduates, eighth grade, we're definitely celebrating. Some get to job promotion, we're all celebrating. Any excuse to get the whole family in their cell. Well, here's the challenge. The challenge isn't that it's a big deal or not, a big deal. The challenge is that everybody's there but you.

Starting point is 00:36:25 So I will remember what he may remember is. My dad missed out. Why is everybody here but not my dad? So here's the trick, here's what you gotta do. He sees you as a YouTube star, you're fine. No, no, no, here's what you do. Listen, this is that, hey, that Trump's that, no, no, trust me, trust me with this.

Starting point is 00:36:40 I fucked out real bad a couple of times with my kids and my kids now remember this part, not that part. Okay. When you show up today, you to have something cool for them like a cool gift That's that's a good thing. Hey, I had to work today But also the reason why I wasn't there is because I got you this fucking Like my dad the best and delivered just like that. Did anybody else buy something cool? Trust me. I guess your robot dad tip of the day by his little why-bye. No, I mean, you got to see, it doesn't work all the time.

Starting point is 00:37:10 But you guys know the time I missed out the father daughter. Yeah, I did the Disneyland thing, right? I took it to Disneyland. So she'll never forget that. She talks about that all the time. Well, I mean, I'm just like weighing these things out, just like, you know, the whole trophy thing. You know, it's like, like, you're just graduating

Starting point is 00:37:23 from fifth to sixth grade. Like, you gotta keep going. You know, like, like, you're just graduating from fifth to sixth grade. Like, you gotta keep going. You know, like eighth grade, you just can't give you that miles to like high school. That's a big thing. Like, I'm like, this is just fifth to sixth grade. I'm like, I love you, dude, but you gotta keep going. What is the theory on that? You guys know, like, because obviously going from eighth grade to high school,

Starting point is 00:37:40 like, you're supposed to do that. So, why do we celebrate that? Why is it like a... I think people just like to celebrate. There's gotta be some sort of history, right? There's gotta be some sort of history of like, who decided all of a sudden one day that we're like, you know what, we should make this big ordeal about kids.

Starting point is 00:37:55 I bet you there was like, maybe way back when, there was a good portion of the population that opted out of school after that age. Maybe that's what it was. And then if you continued on, it was a big celebration, like good for you, you're gonna further your was a big celebration. Like, good for you, you're gonna further your education.

Starting point is 00:38:07 There's gotta be. Good for you making the history. Why, I definitely think that the kids are a little intimidated because it's like, you know, now you're stepping into the big leagues. You know, like high school was a bit of a... Yeah, but isn't it that way because we make it that way, right?

Starting point is 00:38:17 It's a big leap. Because if it was all in the same school where there was you had, it wouldn't be a big deal. It'd just be the next. That's true. No, I separate schools. Okay, obviously a big deal, it just be the next. That's true. You know, I separate schools. So, obviously it's like, it's like the kids that get trophies

Starting point is 00:38:29 for just participating. Like, I wouldn't celebrate the trophy, but I would celebrate the games, right? So, I wouldn't tell my kid, wow, you got a trophy, but I wouldn't do that because it's like, well, you didn't win anything. Participation trophies, I have a fun fact for you.

Starting point is 00:38:42 You just brought that up, listening to this great interview. By the way, Patrick Bet David has become one of my favorite people to listen to interview other people. And he was interviewing what's the comedian's name? Doug, I just can't I don't know why it always slips his name. What's the community's name? Name a comedian. No, no, no, I was just telling them to do it. Just over. No, no, you can't think of it either. I just asked you. No, no, the most famous comedian. Kevin Hart. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:39:05 Kevin Hart, come on, Doug. Uh, yeah. You did. I had to pull a comedian. I just got, I asked it to him right before we walked that street. And I knew it back then. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:16 Anyways, so one of the questions he asked him is, when did you know that you, you were funny? Like when did you know that you, you had this talent or gift? He tells a story that in, I think it was eighth grade, When did you know that you were funny? When did you know that you had this talent or gift? He tells a story that in, I think it was 8th grade, he got a participation award. He went up to give his speech and there was like 70 people in there. He basically ripped himself and made fun of himself for being like an underachiever. The whole place was roaring.

Starting point is 00:39:42 Just thought it was so hilarious. He says it was at that moment, I realized that I had this talent to do that. Everybody was coming up to him afterwards and his mom and saying, oh, your son's so funny and witty and smart and everything. So, but he got a participation trophy and he went up there and instead of making a big deal

Starting point is 00:40:00 about, oh, look, I got it. It was more like making fun of himself or being under a cheater. The one case where it actually worked out. Yeah. Well speaking of these participation trophy kids, I swear that generation is producing these super sensitive like Instagram reporters

Starting point is 00:40:13 that I can get. Instagram reporters. What? You know what we've done? You know what we've done with social media? We've given, we've given individuals too much power. Well, you know what Doug would say to that right now, right? He would point out your point you just made 10 minutes ago which is you

Starting point is 00:40:27 talking about it and bringing it up only causes more attention because somebody got your attention by doing that right Doug I agree whole hearted maybe I want more what you focus on expands they say yeah yeah yeah so spot a Volkswagen I see them everywhere yeah expanding hey it still annoys a shit out of me. I know, I know. It's too much power to individual people. Whatever happened back in the day, you don't like something just turn around.

Starting point is 00:40:50 Well, you know, okay, so, or if you're offended and you tell, you have to tell them to their face. Well, okay, so where do you stand on the face? Because there's thought police now. We talked about, I don't think that way. I don't, okay, this is kind of a neat conversation

Starting point is 00:41:02 because something interesting happened to one of our good friends, Lane Norton just recently, right? So Lane was targeted by people he got targeted and and so and I love Lane I hate to see that happen to one of our friends or what about that But there's also another side to this okay, and I will tell Lane this I've told that openly He brings on a lot of this attention because his whole business model is this whole, you know, he goes after people. He goes after everybody.

Starting point is 00:41:28 And his mission, he believes, is to go call out all the bullshit and he does it in a very aggressive way. And it makes it very entertaining. It's grown his business substantially. And so people love that. Yeah. So he's doubled and tripled down on that and more power to him if that's the model he wants But that also attracts a lot of people that are in are gonna hate on you and they say that like I don't like this idea too of like You know no matter how big you get like it's if you're doing the right things

Starting point is 00:41:56 You're gonna have haters like this I pride ourselves on the fact that we actually have built something this big and we don't get a lot of hate We don't every now and then we do but we don't get a ton of it Yeah,, we don't. Every now and then we do, but we don't get a ton of it. Yeah. But I also feel like we don't attract that. Is that a meal company that you meal, dude? Yes, that's it. I see. Every once in a while.

Starting point is 00:42:13 Every once in a while, maybe a little bit, right? But, you know, okay, so what ends up happening, this is my theory, right? And I don't know if this is exactly what happened, but the way the algorithm works with YouTube and with Instagram is, they can't, like it's not one person that comments and says, oh, or else there would be one hater

Starting point is 00:42:33 who could shut down all these businesses. It doesn't work that way. It's when the algorithm gets a flood of the same complaint or at the same time from all different directions. So, and now we have this era where kids get together on Reddit and they move a stock. I mean, that's the power of it, right?

Starting point is 00:42:50 And there's people on each side of this. There's got people that are traders at power in these groups. That's right. And if you can get enough people that agree with you, yes, lanes an asshole and bond together and say, let's all tomorrow go put a block on him and say this is offensive. And then it hacks the algorithm because it's all, it's not tomorrow go put a block on him and say, this is offensive.

Starting point is 00:43:06 And then it hacks the algorithm because it's all, it's not like there's a person sitting behind there who's like, oh yeah, what Sal said is definitely offensive. We're blocking it. But I think there's more to it. I think if you've had previous complaints, then they make it more sensitive. I do think, and there's plenty of evidence of this, that people that work at these companies will target particular people because they don't agree with their view. Okay. think and there's plenty of evidence of this that people that work at these companies will target particular people because they don't agree with their.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Okay, so I'll have Facebook or Instagram. Well, look at it. Yeah, but you can't think that that's you or Lane. No, no, no, no. I didn't, it's not the point. We're talking about the bigger picture here. You're right, but that's the big, I'm talking about the, for example, you have people that were kicked off social media permanently and then you you have like the Ayatollah of Iran

Starting point is 00:43:45 who talks about killing Jews all the time, has a Twitter account. Yeah. Oh, the algorithm, my ass. There's literally someone there who's like, this is okay and this isn't. And that's fine, that's your company. I mean, I don't know, is there a really good tip of critical? No, it is, it's clear, bro.

Starting point is 00:44:00 It is clear. It's not that clear. I don't think it's that clear. I think it's very clear. I think that it's an There's an algorithm that they put in place which by the way, how do you police a billion people? Okay? If you have a billion people Viewing your stuff in and out. I mean think about that for a second. Okay, how hard of it

Starting point is 00:44:18 My pump grows to be as massive as YouTube does and we've got a billion eyeballs on us every single day There's no you couldn't even build a team of people to monitor everything. So you have to write a code and an algorithm. And then how do you decide what that algorithm looks like? I heard a good conversation about this and one thing that they brought up, which I totally think I agree with, I think there's, we got to get rid of the autonomy. We got to get rid of the people that, you know, you can't like pinpoint like this individual

Starting point is 00:44:47 as being the person that's taught, like they can just hide behind like an autonomous profile, and it could be from anywhere, it could be from Russia. I can be from China, oh, yeah, I said autonomous. I'm talking about this autonomous drone, that's what. It's autonomous, you think. But yeah, no, like so for me personally, like it needs to come back to person-to-person interaction

Starting point is 00:45:07 and have communication. Like if you're really staunch about your stance, we need to know that you're a real human being first and foremost, and not a robot. You're giving, okay, that's fair. That's a good argument. And a lot of these algorithms give too much power to individual people.

Starting point is 00:45:21 So in the past, if you had a company where 95% of everybody- You're such a free market guy though. You're right, absolutely. And I'm telling you right now that this part of the market is gonna get corrected because I'm not the only one that's seeing this. No, I don't disagree.

Starting point is 00:45:34 I mean, it's gonna get corrected because there's too much power going to- It's individual crybaby. Okay, it's an improving algorithm. Okay, it's not like it's this is the rule and this is what we're gonna be. This is the direction they started. And then this is now, here's the consequences

Starting point is 00:45:48 of that algorithm, what could potentially happen. You could get 500 anonymous bots that one person maybe has built or controlling to go target a person. So I can get behind, I can get now, okay, that's, literally happens, so that's been a part of it. Right, okay, so what we've seen in the lecture now as the owner of YouTube, and okay, now I got to figure out how do we,

Starting point is 00:46:10 how do we combat that, right? So how do we write an algorithm now that fixes that? But you gotta start somewhere. You gotta, or else, are you just, are you not, or? I agree, I think you're right. I also, but I'm trying to say is, it's has to change.

Starting point is 00:46:23 You give too much powered individuals. It will though, it will. It has to, right, but it has to. I mean, it does'm trying to say is it's it's has to change. You give too much powered individual. It will though It will it has to right, but it has to I mean it does it always does it evolves But there's another port. There's another part to this which is very clear. It is not consistent There are people who get banned and kicked off and deleted and then there are other people are far more well Okay, that's dangerous. That's your theory my theory. It. My theory. Well, it's not a theory. It's been proven. No, it's not been proven. Actually, it has.

Starting point is 00:46:48 No, it has not. Show me the proof on that. Because what you don't know is what could this could potentially happen. Okay, let's use Lane's example. Lane can make the case that he's targeted in the fitness space out of everybody because of this is happening to him. I would argue back to him, it's like you've pissed off more people who've banned together and gone and reported you.

Starting point is 00:47:06 So are you because of your, let's say he has political views and he can try and there's a correlation there that, look at everybody who has these political views get termed. Maybe you're an asshole. Maybe you're more of an asshole than this person who has a different ideology than you do and you're less like, therefore, they can't help the algorithm because there's only five people that don't like you. Right, not 500.

Starting point is 00:47:30 Or if you watch the undercover videos with executives from the social media companies who are specifically saying, we are targeting these people, we're targeting this person in particular, this political individual, and we are specifically trying to get them kicked off. So those videos exist.

Starting point is 00:47:46 So fair. Okay, so there's there's there's I remember these are isolated incidents where there's a lot. These are these are people running these companies. People are not robots. In other words, they have their opinions and if their opinions lean one way or they don't want, they'll do that and it's not fair. And because it's so big, here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:48:04 Here's my rub. Well, then also you gotta go. Here it's so big, here's a deal, here's my rub. Well, also you gotta, here's another thing too. It's a private company. You're right, and now here's my rub, you're right, 100%. Here's my rub with that. They're gonna fuck themselves. If they keep doing this, what do you think about this legislation in Florida, like trying to check?

Starting point is 00:48:17 That's an example, it's what happens when you're a company. Back up, tell me what that is. So the mayor, governor, DeSanto. Yeah, so, well, you'd explain it, Saul. You probably know it better than me, but basically, he basically put it out that, like, you could, you could have a lawsuit for being de-platformed, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:35 if you're targeted on one of these social media companies. Now what it said was, if you're a social media company, and you remove a person who's been elected to office, you will be fined every single day for doing that in Florida. So if there's a president or a governor or a senator and Twitter just deletes you, the law says if they're elected officials, you can't do that otherwise you'll get fined. Okay, so you're elected officials at that age. Now, how does Florida have the power to so you are you

Starting point is 00:49:08 saying that in this situation if if Twitter decided to de platform somebody right now that is a governor who's a governor right of Florida Florida can then take action after Twitter. Absolutely. Oh, I didn't know that. Absolutely. I don't know you could do that. Yeah, I mean you can and they'll fight it but you definitely can, and they'll fight it, but you definitely can. But my point is this, I'm a big, like again, I'm a big free market guy, but the problem is, and here's the deal, we'll talk about the supplement industry.

Starting point is 00:49:33 Well, this is what, this is my problem with your argument is that you go back and forth here, because you're going back and forth. No, I'm not going back and forth. You're a big free market guy when it serves you and it doesn't serve you. I'm actually not. I'm not saying I like this.

Starting point is 00:49:42 What I'm saying is this is a reaction to business owners being idiots. For example, look at the supplement industry. It's a matter of time before it continues to get more regulated. Why? Because supplement companies continue to do stupid shit. They're inviting regulators to get popular opinion

Starting point is 00:49:59 on their side and then pass these crazy laws. So it's like if you're supplement come, like when they do these studies where they take 10 supplements and nine of them don't have what they say they have in them, now the FDA's got a great case and the public will start to support it. So with social media companies in the past, trying to regulate them,

Starting point is 00:50:16 the public didn't support it. Now, a lot of people are like, actually that makes sense because you de-platformed this person, but this person, well you're seeing this too with how they handled parlor. Like there was a competitive force out there to get people onto a platform that had didn't had a different bias.

Starting point is 00:50:32 Grandity was an extreme other end bias, but you saw what happened to them and how they got, you know, like upended. They're literally asking the problem is that the people want that, right? That's my thought is that what we're going to see is there'll be another Twitter's counter. There's going to be Facebook's counter.

Starting point is 00:50:50 There's going to be the Instagram's counter. I think before that, and it's going to look just because it's, why would it be any different, right? Because we've seen this in traditional media and news for the long time. You can, there's a great, there's a great, what you call, what do you call those like images, right? Where you, where they have the, you know, down the middle, to the left, far left, right, far right, and then like all the, the news, me, I forget what it's called. What's that? It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like

Starting point is 00:51:17 a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's great infographic that shows you that. I mean, we're gonna have the same thing with social media platforms since it's become the future of how everybody's assuming their media. I agree, but I also think because of the way that these social media companies have been operating,

Starting point is 00:51:34 they have invited tons of legislation. Before that happens, work my word, the era of free social media is over, and they've done it themselves. They've influenced way too far. They went way too far with the way they banned people and the way that they tend to take sides and whatever. And they just invited, they pissed off the left

Starting point is 00:51:51 for a long time, now they pissed off the right. So now they're pissing everybody off. Now public opinion is starting to sway in the direction of regulation. So what are things gonna happen? They're gonna get regulators. Just been a lot more negative aspects. That's what's gonna do.

Starting point is 00:52:02 Media bias chart, it's a really good chart. We'll put that in. So you kind of know where, and this is, oh no. This is really good, I think, for something, what I try and do always, because sometimes I don't remember where all of them fall. If I read an article, like, it's me all fired up, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe this bullshit.

Starting point is 00:52:18 I'll go to this media bias chart and see which side it leads, and then I'll go read the, I'll try and find someone on the opposite side that wrote about the same thing. They kind of balance out. It requires a lot of work to get outside of the bias. It's crazy. We're very easily influenced. And that's where I think it's gonna go though.

Starting point is 00:52:36 Don't you? I just, and okay, so they brought on all this legislation. Okay. So, however, old media was very free, was not regulated in the same way social media. It's not gonna be free I promise you regulations coming down the pike and people are supporting it because they've pissed everybody off And it's their own fucking fault because the way you guys do things and it sucks It sucks because it should be totally free But in order to be totally free and not invite legislation, you have to operate with a way that exemplifies integrity.

Starting point is 00:53:08 So then the answer is, in your opinion, is to just allow it all to be free, right? I would wish that it would be done that way. I would love for it to happen that way. It's not going to happen though. They've done things so stupid that it's already happening. You're already seeing states and, you know, starting, starting, and like I said, they piss both sides off. It's so hard for me to kind of get behind that because I just, I try and put my feet in their shoes

Starting point is 00:53:32 where if I built YouTube up and- Oh sure, it's challenging, isn't it? Yeah, because you have your own personal morals and values. As an owner of a company and I don't give a fuck about your opinion or how things are gonna get legislated or if they're gonna have gonna throw and it's gonna be more difficult for me. It's my company and I don't want this crazy motherfucker putting videos on my platform so I'm gonna pull them down.

Starting point is 00:53:54 I agree with you but you know what helped that. So if I was that person who ran this social media company and I saw man we're gonna get legislated and then we're gonna get fucked. What I would do is I'd be open about it. Hey here's a deal. I don't like him. I like these other people. You're right. I lean this direction, right?

Starting point is 00:54:08 I lean that direction. So my social media company is just like that. I agree. I would just be out there. That would be the problem as they pretend not to. They say that they're, no, we're total neutral. Yeah, you're not neutral. You're not. You're not.

Starting point is 00:54:19 And so then that's you piss people off. And because you're so big, you have so much influence. Like politicians like they, they, you're so big, you have so much influence, like politicians, like you can tell, they're just like, I can't wait to legislate over this. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on either now. I mean, when you say legislate though, what do you think, because I don't think it's gonna get

Starting point is 00:54:36 as controlled and as crazy as you think it is, I think what'll end up happening is it'll open up competitors. I, well, here's what I think. I think you see more legislation like you saw in Florida. You can see more of that start to happen. I think you're gonna see them not get protection like that. Which by the way, you like that or not like that. You're not a fan of what they passed in Florida.

Starting point is 00:54:53 You know, I can see why they would pass a law like that, but I think, like, who are you to pass a law on a private company? Well, yeah, and I'm not a fan of giving more control and power to the government. I'm almost never, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you get to a fan of giving more control and power to the government. I'm almost never, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you get to decide what exactly that is.

Starting point is 00:55:07 That cynical me likes that they gave him a slap in the face though, you know, because of just running free with all this like ridiculously obvious bias. And to me, it just screams of that. So I don't know, again, it's a reaction, it's an extreme reaction to what I've seen, you know, them not deal with internally. Well, yeah, to your point, I mean,

Starting point is 00:55:28 what, you don't give them a lot of options to how to combat it, right? Like, how, how are they supposed to work? They've muscled out any competition. That's right. So that's why I'm like, there needs to be another thing implemented in here to kind of create some more balance.

Starting point is 00:55:41 And so that's what I picture happening is more and more of this legislation happening like you were saying throughout the day. It's till eventually somebody gets the gumption to go, okay, I think we can try and they may not take down the monster of Twitter, but I think I can build something competitive enough because there's enough people that don't like how they do business.

Starting point is 00:55:59 I'm gonna go the opposite direction, favor the views that these people like, and that's where we're gonna see the Fox and the CNN the CNN of Instagram and Twitter and I agree I think so but I do think it's just it's not going to be as easy anymore because they're going to regulate it and there's going to be lots of legislation and people are going to love the legislation because like Justin said it makes you feel good for a second because like yeah that's what you get on but then you realize oh shit now they have it keeps going yeah it's going to go bad for the consumer exactly it'll go bad and I think that's what you get. Yeah, get them. But then you don't realize, oh shit, now they have to have a keeps going, yeah, it's gonna go bad for the consumer.

Starting point is 00:56:26 Exactly, it'll go bad. And I think that's gonna, I think that's totally gonna happen. Remember, they're protected, so Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all these, they're all protected like as if they were the phone company, right? Like AT&T here in California is our, is the phone company that we use. And if I call Justin or someone else

Starting point is 00:56:45 and we commit a crime or plan a crime, AT&T is not responsible. There's laws that protect AT&T because they're just allowing us to talk but they're not actively engaged. Now in a magazine with editors, if an editor allows an article to go in that puts slander on someone

Starting point is 00:57:02 or that promotes something that's illegal, the magazine could be liable. And these social media companies are treat like phone companies. But they're obviously... They're editing it and... Yes. Yeah, making sure certain people aren't on the platform. Right, so when they're doing that, it's like, guys, how long do you think you're going to get away with doing all this and not getting regulated?

Starting point is 00:57:20 Yeah. Just like the supplement companies, just like these idiots that only supplement companies that are putting shit in their pills that are not supposed to or lying or ripping people off, at some point it's gonna get regulated or all gonna get pissed off, but guess what, it's their fault,

Starting point is 00:57:33 it's their own fault that they brought this one. Well, and this has always been my, because this is where you and I are a little bit different because I know I do lean free market with most ideas, but unfortunately there's a lot of evil and bad people. There's a lot of people that, like, you can say that all day long, like you're bringing this on, it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:57:50 There's gonna be people that are gonna break rules, are gonna do shady business, or just gonna be bad. They're just, and without allowing some sort of higher power to come in and legislate rules and laws to play, to try and even the playing field, there's always gonna be somebody trying to manipulate. That's the one problem that I have with completely letting things be free.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Oh, I'm not an anarchist. I think there should be, that's why you've been nuanced. Yeah, I think there definitely should be laws. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a law. But that's also, you know, because you feel that way, this is where this gray area becomes, like, where? Where do they step in? Because I'm not completely anti what has happened

Starting point is 00:58:24 to like our friend Lane or what even happened to you because okay, it's not like it's one person has that power. I'm almost positive the algorithm doesn't work. I think at some point though you do. I think if you get people and then they, I don't disagree with that. Okay, you're taking my point and taking it to another level. You are there certain people at the highest level

Starting point is 00:58:42 and they've came out and they're targeting fucking big names like Donald Trump I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people like you. Yeah, no people like Lane nor me But I think for me is because I'm probably already on a list It's the grand because it's already happened to me that it weighs more on me Yeah, because you've already been shadow banned so you just like with tax just like what happened to me It just is you land my man. Just like what happens just what happened just like what happens with tax evasion right so there's the people cheat on the tax and you're being watched all the time but once you've been nailed right or

Starting point is 00:59:09 if you you know you're you're doing a lot of gray area stuff tracking you that's right you get flagged and so you've been flagged because you've been shadow ban for stuff and then it all it takes is X amount of more people and then you and I both have very polarizing personalities you know you either love us or you hate us and so because of that and of our size both have very polarizing personalities. You know, you either love us or you hate us. And so because of that and of our size, you have enough people that are like, you know what? I can get 10 of my friends that don't like sad. We all hate sad.

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Starting point is 01:01:09 Hi guys, before I start I want to say I'm super excited to be talking to you. You're the closest things to celebrities that I follow. And I, you have really, your content has changed my life and more than just the fitness aspect. I think I've made a lot of mindset progress from following your podcast. So thanks for what you guys do. Okay, so I live in Central Texas and I'm wondering how I might best change my lifting programming

Starting point is 01:01:42 just a little bit this summer to get through some of the extreme heat and humidity. To give a little background, I started, I got back into lifting about 18 months ago or a little bit less. I worked out primarily from home, but as I've gotten a little bit more towards the intermediate level of lifts, I joined a gym. It's kind of an old school bodybuilding gym. It has an indoor air conditioned area, but it's usually pretty packed. And there's a lot of machines in there. I prefer to use barbells and dumbbells, kettlebells when I can.

Starting point is 01:02:16 So I use the outdoor functional space most of the time. And that's great for nine months out of the year. But these summer months, it's already starting to get very hot out there and I'm just wondering I feel myself a lot of days getting really weak pretty early on in my lifts so I'm wondering what I might be able to do to still maintain a good strength protocol while being safe. Okay well well, I noticed in your notes that you said you're supplementing with element while you're doing your workouts, is that correct?

Starting point is 01:02:50 And then core decepts. Yeah, the element salts have helped quite a lot. And I've started taking core decepts as well at your suggestion. And I have noticed a difference there too. I'm trying not to be a whim about the heat. I mean I know there's people that work in this heat all day all summer long so I know I can withstand it for a couple of days a week

Starting point is 01:03:15 but it's really a killer. My work schedule does not allow me to get into the gym any time other than like 3.30 to 5 in the afternoon, which is the absolute worst time to do it, but it's when I have the opportunity. So I got to go with it. That's what I was going to ask. I was hoping that you had a way that you could work out earlier in the morning or later at night, maybe just. I mean, I have a, this is a really fun and interesting question.

Starting point is 01:03:39 I don't think I'd ever had a question just like this. But you have the least heat tolerance out there. You might have some good suggestions. Well, right away, you know what comes in mind for me, but I would probably do because I've never had a question just like this. But you have the least heat tolerance out there. You might have some good suggestions. Well, right away, you know what comes in mind for me, but I would probably do, because you're right. I don't like that at all. This, I might run up, because obviously there's only,

Starting point is 01:03:55 there's gonna be a short period of time. We're talking about a month or two months where it's gonna be like, it's just intolerable, right? It's not like the whole year is like this. It's just, you probably are talking about a month or two, right? So I mean, this is actually where I am, and I don't know if you have this flexibility to extend the workout to be longer, but I would probably do these like really long rest periods. This would, you would find me being like, you know, powerlifter Adam at this time, you know, I would be doing the three minute break. Yeah, no, you know, I would be doing the three minute break. Sure. Yeah, no, I totally, I would be doing the three minute breaks, running a five by five type of a routine or like an

Starting point is 01:04:30 anabolic phase one, because what I don't want to be doing is like, if phase three of aesthetic or something or or maps performance, you know, phase two or three, where you're just like, that would just crush me. Right. It's just racing. Yeah, I think that, I mean, that's, because you're already doing the stuff on supplements, I mean, I see you drink a gallon of water. So you're drinking the water, you're doing the sodium intake, you're doing the quarter step. So I think you're doing all the right things that way,

Starting point is 01:04:54 Justin already hit the easy one, which is, you know, can we train at a colder time the day? So if you're stuck in the middle of the heat, then I guess what I would do, my programming would look like these long rest periods, you know, longer than what I normally would do, and it's you're not going to get, it's not going to hurt your progress by doing that. So that's what I would, that's the first thing that comes to mind. What do you think, Sal? Yeah, I would say, because there's a drawback to that too, because then you're

Starting point is 01:05:17 exposed to the heat a little longer. I think people underestimate the amount of sodium that they would need to tolerate a lot of heat. So you may be, I don't know how many packets of element you're drinking during your workout, but I would do... Yeah, right now it's one full pack. Yeah, I would try one full pack before you work out. So maybe a half hour to an hour before you work out. One midway or half.

Starting point is 01:05:44 And then one while you're working out, because you want to get that in your system before you start the, otherwise you start to play kind of catch up. And aside from that, just, you just can't have to listen to your body while you train. So it might mean, you don't lift as heavy, it might mean you're not doing as much volume, but that's totally fine. The heat actually adds another element to the adaptation process. And we do tend to acclimate to the workouts

Starting point is 01:06:11 as we practice them, but it's nothing to worry about unless you're finding yourself getting dizzy, nauseous or getting these massive headaches. But yeah, don't underestimate the sodium. I would go a packet before. I mean, I'll tell you what, I don't eat processed food,

Starting point is 01:06:25 so my sodium intake is normally low. I'm not working out in the heat. You're doing like two or three packets. But I'll do a packet before I work out and a packet during. If I was out in the sun, it might even be a little bit more. So I would try a packet before and then a packet during, and then listen to your body and see how you feel and modify the workouts accordingly but it's not going to

Starting point is 01:06:49 Take away from your results if anything because it's different and might actually improve some of the results that you get Yeah, I'm hoping I actually just recently moved into a Carnivore style way of eating just to a carnivore style way of eating just to try to break a really bad sugar addiction that I have. And some hoping the extra sweat will help me get rid of some of those toxins as well. So trying to look at it as a positive situation, it really, it's kind of sucked already a couple of days this year. But I have been leaning towards what Adam said to kind of go with a 5x5 or less with the longer rest periods because it really does take a lot out of you. Pretty quick,

Starting point is 01:07:32 I have mad respect for the good afghanistan and work out a lot there. That's crazy. So yeah, so this is super helpful. Awesome. Thanks so much guys. Well, one more thing real quick before you hang up, Debra. Now that I know you're also going carnivore, even more reason to do more element. Yeah, your body's getting rid of sodium like crazy. So unless you have high blood pressure or your doctor's advised you to watch your sodium, I would go a packet before, a packet during, and throughout the day, probably drink a couple more, and then see how you feel. I've been doing even on non-workout days, I drink usually a pack to a pack and a half.

Starting point is 01:08:17 Plus, I've been salting my food pretty heavily, so I do try to stay on top of that, the salt, for sure. Yeah, but you would be surprised again, just because you're salting your food, especially because you work out. Well, especially now she's eliminating carbs too, because that changes that, right? So you eliminate carbs, and if you're eating whole foods, you're eating clean, then like Sal said,

Starting point is 01:08:37 I think you could easily get away with two or three packets every day. I mean, I salt my food too. I don't eat processed food, but I salt the hell out of my food, and I have probably, and I'm very low carb now. He really, so he carries salt in his purse. And I have three, I have three to four packets of element, a day usually around three.

Starting point is 01:08:54 Just to give you some contact. Okay, awesome. Okay, that's awesome. Thanks so much guys. No problem. God, I would hate to work out. I'm such a baby. It's the worst.

Starting point is 01:09:06 I was gonna bring up, dude. Like, when I went to the Midwest and had to deal with the heat and the humidity was really what got me because it was basically like you're walking in this sauna and you're trying to do your regular workouts but it just drains the hell out of you. I actually started to put really cold towels in between sets on my neck, and just to try and get my body

Starting point is 01:09:29 temperature down a little bit to then go back and have something, but I was always just, I love extreme weather workouts. Really cold, really hot. I don't know, it adds an element of, really puts me in the zone when I'm doing it, but you cannot, I tell you right now, it toughens you up.

Starting point is 01:09:45 And it just, it's different. Like when it's really hot, I'll get better pumps. Obviously the sweat feels good. When it's really cold, I just feel like a more aggro into the workout, but the sodium thing is a big one, man. It's huge. And it's different from person to person.

Starting point is 01:09:58 So of course, if you're advised to reduce your sodium, then you don't want to do this. But it makes a huge difference with people. I had runners that I would train. That would only lift weights with me or train with me once a week, but they trained so often with running. And I would have them add Himalayan salt to their water.

Starting point is 01:10:14 And they noticed tremendous improvement in there. We've been just sold for so long, that sodium's so bad, that it feels bad to add more, you know? But again, if you're healthy and you're not eating a lot of processed food Go ahead and experiment and see how you feel with with more of it Our next caller is Ryan from Alberta, Canada. Hey, what's up Ryan? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going today good? Good. All right, so back in late December

Starting point is 01:10:38 I started listening to the podcast got hooked right away and bought the New Year's bundle I've run anabolic and currently I'm about three quarters of the way through performance. Obviously I was going to go into aesthetics next, but realize that this runs into the time of year where I'm going to begin to spend a lot of time away from home. So June through August, I'll be gone about 50% of the time camping with my family and then not September through November. I'll do a lot of time hunting with friends. So June through August, I'll do a lot of time hunting with friends. So June through August, I'll do a lot of hiking with the kids, break resistance bands with

Starting point is 01:11:08 me, I'll do trigger work. And when I'm gone hunting September through November, usually hike about 10 to 20 miles a day. I won't do any extra work during that time as you know, we're usually up before sunrise, leave before sunrise and get back after sunset. So my question is, should I run aesthetic anyways and just make my way through the program a little slower or should I run something else? I had thought about rerunning through the phases of antiballic and performance that align with my goals, which is primarily strength and aesthetics, but I'm curious to hear your opinions. Also, in the next

Starting point is 01:11:38 little bit here, I'm going to add a few days a week, one to two of trail running and hill climb in order to prep for hunting season. Okay, that's a good question. You're gonna be doing a lot of stuff when you're gone, you're gonna be very active. Now, I would say you can do aesthetic when you're home and when you're not home, you do some body weight exercises. In maps, anywhere, it's got some really good workouts in there.

Starting point is 01:12:00 So we can send that to you if you don't have it, but here's another thing I wanna add. Don't overdo it, you know, especially when you're doing so much activity I know we can in our heads we can think okay I need to get in my weights as well But it's very easy when you're doing that much activity to add resistance training and then it be too much And then what ends up happening is you not only do you get zero Results from it or zero benefit you actually kind of start to go backwards a little bit.

Starting point is 01:12:25 So I would definitely listen to your body. If you feel like you've got the strength and energy and it feels good to do some resistance training, if you're not near equipment, maps anywhere has got the best, they're the best workouts you'll find anywhere that don't require any equipment except for resistance bands. This is a fun question because I don't think

Starting point is 01:12:43 there's a right or a wrong answer here. I do agree with Sal that I caution you not to overdo it. I'll give you another option that you could do is not run aesthetic at all and actually run a map suspension and with map suspension you can take that on the go with you. So you can run it while you're at home which is a fun program, it's different and all you need is a suspension trainer. You can strap that around a tree

Starting point is 01:13:08 when you're on the road or somewhere else and follow that program. And then when you get back from your your stint or you're gone hunting and stuff and you're back, then you can resume the bundle and go back to maps aesthetic. So that's also an option. So there's a lot of things that you can do here. And then also keep in mind, I know recently on the podcast, we shared that study that I think Lane Norton posted about about a month ago, where it talked about three weeks on and one weeks off,

Starting point is 01:13:34 and they compared those to the two groups of people, that train every single day for like three months consistently, and then the other group that took a week off every third week, and the results were the same. So, and you're gonna be an active, you're being active while you're out. So, it's not like you're sedentary and eating garbage food and stuff like that. So, I also wouldn't worry about sometimes having a week off of training and just focusing on what you probably love to do, which is hunting and heel climbing and doing those things.

Starting point is 01:13:59 So, I think it would still benefit you. You know, psychologically, it gets in our head sometimes when our goal is to get shredded or look a certain way and you're not training for a whole week, but ultimately in the long term, it'll probably benefit your body sometimes to take it off. Yeah, and I think too, it's healthy to call audible. So if you know that you've been hitting certain parts of your body quite a bit,

Starting point is 01:14:20 like obviously it's gonna look totally different. You're structuring of activity and movement is gonna look completely different than what you've been doing. To just know to weave in, you say you haven't been expressing your upper body, you have been before. I would try to incorporate that somehow with body weight training, Adam's saying with a suspension trainer or doing some kind of maps anywhere, type programming, but you're gonna be able to bounce back once you get to the weights again. So it's not like this dire need to make sure like everything's dialed in.

Starting point is 01:14:54 It's okay to step out, but still try to express those movements and keep those muscles stimulated. Yeah, I think that's kinda thought wise is that it even worth running aesthetic great ways if I'm going to be doing so many things that almost seem counterintuitive to me or counterintuitive to me? Right. As opposed to say, like doing that bodybuilding training, I'm going to be doing a lot more

Starting point is 01:15:15 a little more cardio style stuff and is that just going to run against kind of what that programming should look like on aesthetic. Yeah, good. And you know what? Because we brought up two programs. I don't think you're all, and we'll just send them both to you. So you'll get a suspension and an aesthetic. Yeah, good. And you know what? Because we brought up two programs. I don't think you own. We'll just send them both to you. So you'll get suspension and air.

Starting point is 01:15:27 Oh, wow. Yeah. And look, if you hunt successful and you want to send us some elk meters. Yeah. We'd be happy to the elk jerky. That's the goal of this year, boys, is in the mountain for elk. But it's like 10% success rate up here. So, you know, that's fantastic.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Thank you so much for that. We're good points for you. Good luck, man.. No, that's fantastic. Thank you so much for that really. We're pulling for you. Good luck, man. Just got a great elk call. I do. Do it. Woo! I'm great.

Starting point is 01:15:51 I'm a lot, dude. All the best. Take it easy, Ryan. That's not how we do it, Jess. And we put you out in the forest and have you walk around naked. The elk is my old. That's more like it.

Starting point is 01:16:03 That's another elk. That's where we're laughing at. That's coming back. You know, when I hear people say that I mean, he's gonna go hunting like for two months or something like that. I know, it's savage. Part of me is jealous.

Starting point is 01:16:12 Like how cool would that be? That'd be so awesome. Just go out and just be by yourself or what's your nature both. But yeah, just do something like that. Sounds so awesome. But yeah, people, I get it too. I get that whole, the feeling of,

Starting point is 01:16:24 oh crap, I'm a stop working out, what am I gonna do? But boy, muscle memory is such a big deal. It is, it is. It comes back, super fast. And like I said, especially when you're, he's going to go do something that's, you know, physically active, and then, like, so he's only gonna

Starting point is 01:16:38 probably lean out, right? He's on the move all day long and stuff like that. So when you're thinking, if your goal is aesthetics and you wanna look good, maybe not even working out for a week or two at a time, and but just doing all that activity and making good food choices, he's gonna look good. And then the minute he gets right back to the gym,

Starting point is 01:16:55 when he gets back, he's gonna his body's gonna respond and or you have your suspension trainer out there with you. And so maybe you have a slower week of activity. And so maybe you pull it out, wrap around the tree, work out for 30 minutes or like that, two or three times a week and you're gonna sustain quite a bit. And you know, I've seen arguments,

Starting point is 01:17:11 I've actually seen arguments and they're pretty compelling that you might actually make better gains if you take a month off every year. For someone who's super, super consistent, I've seen that argument. There was the pro bodybuilder, Kevin LaVrone. He used to actually do that. He would take a lot of time off, lose lots of muscle,

Starting point is 01:17:28 and then he'd gain into the pre-contest, and of course, he's one of the best bodybuilders all the time. Well, especially if he's lost his... Especially if you do it with intention, right? Like, it's not like you go off and you eat like an asshole for a month and you're not active, but if you're physically active and you're like, okay, this month I'm gonna go.

Starting point is 01:17:44 Yeah, and I'm still eating like that. Body would probably respond very well to that and would do them well, you know. Our next caller is Ali from Maryland. Hi, Ali, how can we help you? Hi guys, I really appreciate your time today. Sal, I'm just getting into your book, but I use your info from the podcast when I talk into

Starting point is 01:18:06 my nutrition clients, when they ask about cardio for fat loss. So thanks for that insight. I appreciate it. I actually wrote it, but he keeps taking care of it for it. My question is, as a female body power lifter, what are some of the correctional exercises that I could use to better engage my lat muscles and not overuse traps or lower back? So a little history, I wear a belt, I practice with boris deadlifts, raffles, and stiff leg deadlifts. My accessories are typically rose and shoulder presses, but I have issues feeling the connection to my lats

Starting point is 01:18:50 on conventional deadlifts. So that's my question, and thanks for your help with this one. OK, what's a Boris deadlift? You got a schoolme here. So Boris deadlift is deadlift to the knees and then you see lift to the knees and then you go back down to the floor. Got it. Got it.

Starting point is 01:19:14 Boris style. Yeah, obviously. That's new to me. I didn't know that. I've never heard of it before. I've never heard of it. I've never heard of it. You know, something with power lifters that you sometimes see, not as common today, but you used to see this all the time

Starting point is 01:19:25 as they don't do any direct, lat work like pull downs, because pull downs are considered a body building exercise. So if you're not doing any pull downs, whether it's a supinated grip or even wide grip, I suggest adding those into routine so you can do some direct lat work. Now as far as maybe priming, prone cobra is a great exercise

Starting point is 01:19:47 to activate the lats if you do it properly. When you do the prone cobra, you have to think about the action of the lats which is to bring the humerus back and then also bring that, not only are you squeezing the shoulders back, but you're also squeezing them down. So you're avoiding that shrugging position. It's a good priming movement because that's exactly what you want to do before you deadlift if

Starting point is 01:20:08 you want to feel the lats, is you want to be able to pull them down and back to activate them to give you that stability. Now do you have this problem, Ali, too, even with the Q, have you heard the Q bend the bar before you lift? Yes. Yeah, so I typically try, like when I pull on the bar before I lift, I try to focus on that pinching. Like I try to cue that pencil between the lats feeling so like pinch the lats together. But then like on the lift itself, like I just miss that. So are you depressing the shoulder blades down as well? and like on the lift itself, like I just missed that next. So, I'm like, I'm raising. Are you depressing the shoulder blades down as well?

Starting point is 01:20:48 So after you go ahead and like retract your shoulders, are you also then, you know, packing your shoulder blades down and turning like your hands out? Yeah, that's a good question that Justin's asking because it sounds, especially if you're feeling a lot in your traps and your wrong blades, what you might be doing is you might be kind of shrugging up

Starting point is 01:21:04 when you pinched it. If you're trying toboids, what you might be doing, is you might be kind of shrugging up when you pinched it. If you're trying to pinch the pencil, you might be actually kind of squeezing the shoulder blades back versus more like tucking your, like I think about putting my elbows in my back pocket. Another thing that will help, so Sal talked about the... Prone cobra.

Starting point is 01:21:21 No, Prone cobra. I also would take someone like this and actually do a dumbbell pullover right before they go into a Deadlift so I would do a pullover with you to get you to really feel and activate the lats and you know I'd probably do Five five to eight reps of it with a moderately heavy weight not too heavy to where I don't want to fatigue you But I just want you to really feel those lats and then I would go right into the conventional deadlift. I'm gonna add something to that.

Starting point is 01:21:47 Instead of a pullover, do a straight arm pulldown with a rope. The reason why I get the squeeze. Okay, the reason why I challenge that is because if she has a hard time engaging with us, the gravity is working to her favor and the pullover. And the activation will be in the stretch. I know, but the straight arm pulldown,

Starting point is 01:22:02 I know you like that one. We've debated this before. It's one of those exercises that people tend to have sometimes a hard time engaging the lats. They do tricep work and they push down on shoulders, the shoulders and triceps because they have a hard time engagement. Now, if you understand how to engage the lats,

Starting point is 01:22:18 I feel like it's in the... And that's the point. The point is, in the deadlift, think of where the lats are engaged. It's not in the stretch position. It's in that shortened position where she'll need to connect to. You're right, but the stretch position is queues it mentally, is why. So it forces you to cue it where, because you're in the stretch position. It's not rotation, too, of the pinky and the thumbs turning up. And so if you're doing

Starting point is 01:22:39 that within your prone cobra, that's really what you're emulating on the bar. The bar just obviously doesn't move, but you have to kind of think in those terms of rotation and then depression to get those shoulders. And by the way, no, we're arguing here, but none of these are wrong, Ali. I mean, all these things were thrown at you. Some are just more right than others. No, you don't.

Starting point is 01:22:58 All joking, all joking aside, here's a deal. The lats do nothing to the scapula. They don't bring the shoulder blades back. That's right, that's right. That's why I think she's pinching the pencil with her trap. That's not the lats, right? The lats are these big wide muscles that attach at the humerus, right?

Starting point is 01:23:14 The upper arm, and then they attach kind of near the spine and down the back. And what they do is they bring the humerus to the closer to the body. So you can pinch your shoulder blades back all you want. That's not activating the lats. What activates the lats is getting those arms back and squeezing them down and back.

Starting point is 01:23:32 You gotta do that down and back motion. So if you do the straight arm pull down, like I was suggesting, when you get to the bottom, you gotta go real light, when you get to the bottom, pull the shoulders down and back. Down and back is where you're gonna start to activate the lats and squeeze them. And that's also what the dead lifts is gonna look like. And where I'm gonna try to bit wider grip as well,

Starting point is 01:23:50 like a snatch grip. Like a snatch grip. I have not now. Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's a great call, Justin. Yeah, that, just see what that feels like because I know just like bringing my grip a bit wider, it helps to kind of force me in that position too.

Starting point is 01:24:04 And then if you add again, like we've been talking about, like getting those shoulder blades to retract, but depress, so bring them down in that wider position, you might have a little better chance of activation. But what Sal was saying is definitely correct. You're in the, because you already said it, like you're trying to pinch the pencil, you're doing a row.

Starting point is 01:24:22 You know, so you're pinching with your traps, you're pinching with your traps and your rhomboids, you're not actually pinching with your lats. And so that cue is actually probably not helping you to think that way. And what Sal is trying to get you to do with the straight arm pull down is it gets you to think of your lats activating.

Starting point is 01:24:39 The only thing I'm gonna challenge him on is that in my experience when I try and teach someone a straight arm pull down, it's a little more technical exercise because they have to engage the lats to do it. And if you just go through the movements, you might not feel it. And that's why I like the dumbbell pullover because in that stretch position, you are not going to do a dumbbell pullover your head and not fill your lats. You will be forced to because gravity is pulling against you in the stretch position.

Starting point is 01:25:01 And that's what I would want to cue. And so maybe you combine them, right? So maybe you do the dumbbell pullover so you can feel those lats what you're supposed to and then you think about that when you go to the exercise salad saying to really engage them even more and then go to your deadly. Do you have maps prime by the way, Ali?

Starting point is 01:25:16 I do have maps, I have like all of your programs except prime pro, that's the only one I don't have. Well try the prone cobra and really pay attention to the form and the technique. There's no resistance on it, but your own body weight. And it might help you start to connect a little bit to the last, here's the beauty of this. Once you start to connect, it gets way easier.

Starting point is 01:25:36 It's that initial connection part that can be real difficult. I really like what Justin said too, with the Snatch Crypt deadlift, especially if you don't do them. I think it's a great movement for someone that's a power lift or two just to add into your routine. So and it's really tough to do a snatch grip and not fill your lats. It kind of forces you in that position. If you if you if you stay in a rigid rigid spine while you're in a snatch grip, I mean those lats are going to fire for sure. Okay great. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks, Alex.

Starting point is 01:26:03 All right. It's been a while since we had that argument. Yeah. It's one. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks, Alex. All right. It's been a while since we had that argument. Yeah. It's one of the things that you remember we had that one a long time ago. I was a long time ago. You know what? You know where I got that from?

Starting point is 01:26:12 No, you're not wrong. You're right. You are right. I just in my experience, straight arm pull downs, were a little bit harder. There is a challenge there. Do you agree? Yeah, because I know you never fucking take a side. Do you agree?

Starting point is 01:26:24 I, well, the thing because it's the most. Yeah, stupid. Because it's hard to get people to not, to get past the triceps when you are going, you know, you straight arm pulldown. So if you can get past that part of it and that portion, you can really direct them to, you know, feel connection there with the shoulder blades depressing, then you'll feel your lats. Well, triceps try to stabilize.

Starting point is 01:26:46 They stabilize in both exercises, but here's what I got that from. I got that from a physical therapist that worked with me, and she showed me that. Well, mechanically speaking, you are correct. I'll concede that. Mechanically speaking, you're correct. I'm talking behaviorally, and what I've seen in my past,

Starting point is 01:27:01 when I tell somebody who doesn't know how to fire the lats to go into a movement and fire the lads, here's straight arm pull down because it's the best thing to fire the lads. I see the forward shoulder and the arms going forward and the pushing down of the shoulders and the triceps to do that movement, whereas if I put a person,

Starting point is 01:27:17 and I could take an advanced age, never lift a weights before, put you in the stretch position, just hold the dumbbell, can you feel those lads? They'll be, they'll force them to fight. I'm on team ProNcobra, okay? Yeah, I'm all for that. I mean, no matter what though, if you're this person, you really should experiment

Starting point is 01:27:34 with almost everything you're saying, and you do what works best for you to get him fired. Our next caller is Brian from Texas. It's going on Brian, how can we help you? Hey, how y'all doing? Good. So I'm kind of long and thin. I've never had a lot of success, Dolby Muscle.

Starting point is 01:27:53 I'm a product of a lot of the things y'all talk about. A lot of bad information and bad form. And you know, just an attitude to do more, it'll get better and stay in the gym till I'm forward beat up every day. But you know, down the road, I've let myself build a craft in my 30s and 40s and a little over a year ago, finally got it together, lost about 50 pounds and got to a point where I wanted to build some muscle and kind of went back to those same problems I've

Starting point is 01:28:26 happened before, just wasn't having a lot of success. And I found your podcast at just the right time. You know, you've helped me answer part of that equation, which was, Stop Slim in six miles a week, was the first step. But once I bought one of your thinnest bundles and got into the max prime section, I realized I got a lot of muscle imbalances as well in mobility issues. So before I moved into more advanced course, I really kind of started myself out just doing pre-primers, fortification, and post-primers, three days a week with mobility sessions, performance section, in between.

Starting point is 01:29:12 So, seven days a week, just mobility. And my question is, is this the right approach to focus solely on these mobility issues, or should I be incorporating one of the foundational programs in there to help me reach my goal of building muscle and addressing these mobility issues? First of all, that really is smart. I'm just going to say, there's a misconception that mobility and correctional work doesn't make you stronger. The reason why you get better at mobility work and correctional work as you practice is precisely because you're building strength. You're just building strength in targeted ways to improve the way that you move.

Starting point is 01:29:53 Now if you were my client, this is exactly what I would do. When I took a client and I identified lots of mobility and movement issues, that's all we focused on for a little while because that's the fastest way to improve, and it's the fastest way to get to the point where you can start to focus on heavier weight and compound lifts and that kind of stuff. So you're doing exactly what you should do. You're strengthening the support system. You're providing more stability amongst the joints, which then you can even load more as you get back into weight training.

Starting point is 01:30:22 So I think it's just a misconception. People think they're regressing tremendously by just focusing on it. When in fact, you know, it's a little bit longer approach, but you're actually gonna be accelerating your results this way. I'm actually really impressed by this, considering that you admit you're doing everything

Starting point is 01:30:38 so wrong in the past and before. And I think you and you've obviously not only have you, you bought the programming, so that you obviously listen to all the videos and read the content which sometimes people just buy it and then don't go through all that stuff because you were you went and where you started is exactly where I think all of us would,

Starting point is 01:30:55 that's why we wrote it, we wrote it with those intentions for someone just like you. Now, of course eventually you'll want to start to move into some foundational stuff and the way that would look is I would start you one day a week of anabolic. I would keep doing everything you're doing and then trade out maybe one of those days or if I could add a day of a foundational day from maps and anabolic and see how you feel. See if you feel good when you squat, see if you feel good when you're doing these movements

Starting point is 01:31:23 and then start to build upon that. But what you're doing, you're laying the perfect foundation and to Salis Point, you are building muscle. You're just building very specific muscle to work on all those imbalances. Awesome. And I've seen those results already just from going through the mobility i've seen the strength games and i feel more stable and in a lot of the lifts um... so yeah that that's what i'm seeing and you know that's why i love y'all's information and so it's so easy to buy in because you listen to what you say and then you see the results on the other hand. Yeah, no, stay the course you're doing you're doing the right things stay the course and you'll get there And you actually get your goals faster are you are you actually Brian are you inside our private forum? I'm sorry, what do you mean like it we have we have a we have a Facebook private forum are you I'm assuming you're not in it

Starting point is 01:32:19 No, I'm not okay, so I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Doug give you now you are that's right I'm gonna give I have to have Doug give you access to it's on Facebook. So I don't know if you use Facebook or not. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug give you. Now you are. That's right, I'm gonna give you, I haven't have Doug give you access to it. It's on Facebook, so I don't know if you use Facebook or not. Hopefully you do. If you don't, hopefully you use it for this. But I would love to hear your progress. In there, there's a community of people just like yourself plus us.

Starting point is 01:32:38 And then we have a lot of PT's, nutritionists, a lot of really intelligent, brilliant people in there. It's a great community where people are sharing their progress. And that way, if you have questions along your journey or you want us to look at your form when you do an exercise, you can shoot it up there on that page and you'll get a response from one of us pretty quick, if not from another professional that's in there. So I think it's a great value add to what you already have going for you. So join that group.

Starting point is 01:33:03 I'd love to see you in there. There you go. We'll do. We'll do. Appreciate it. No problem. Yeah, that's a tough situation because people think mobility means, you know, oh no, I'm not going to get there fast enough or the truth is you'll get there faster by focusing

Starting point is 01:33:19 on those things first because when I, when we train clients, would you, I mean, if you had a client, you need to work on mobility and correctional exercise, you wouldn't do that and bodybuilding or that and power lifting. Right. Right. things first, because when we train clients, would you, I mean, if you had a client that you need to work on mobility and correctional exercise, you wouldn't do that and bodybuilding or that and power lifting. Right, right. It would be just that. Well, especially when he, I mean, he says

Starting point is 01:33:32 he failed all three composites. So he knows he's got a lot of work. I mean, I love hearing someone, because this is an area where I think, I think a lot of people miss. They buy our prime program and they kind of like just go over it real quick. They don't really go into it. Or they'll do like one session and be like, okay, I get the whole, and then they'll just

Starting point is 01:33:52 jump right back to training. Yeah. So what he's doing is perfect. And he said it himself. He's seeing the difference. I mean, he knows he's getting stronger. He's getting more stable. I mean, that's the, and honestly, I would just continue down that path. And then I'd probably start to flirt with one day a week of Annabelle

Starting point is 01:34:08 just to see how I perform. Like does the squad feel good? Do I look like I'm moving well? Like, and, and then if that continues to progress, and I'd slowly start to add days for Annabelle in there. Our next caller is Peggy from California. Hi Peggy. How can we help you? Hi guys. I just want to say thanks for all your podcasts and I really learned a lot from them. I'm sure you're tired of hearing that, but I'll let you know. Oh, that never gets over your tire.

Starting point is 01:34:34 That never gets old Peggy. So you've touched four of them. My question has to do with call for elbows and I can give you a little history if you want. Go for it. Let's hear it. Okay, so I've been lifting since I was in my late 2063 now, but I never did progressive overload and I never had a problem with those. So I just got off a four-day split six-month coaching program online and then I found you guys at the end and I decided to do anabolic because my elbows were really hurting and I should have probably cut back before I did. So I'm on anabolic, I'm in phase one week three and my question is should I be doing

Starting point is 01:35:21 the bike curls? I can't do the barbell that I can do the dumbbell curls, but I'm doing a slow, like 10 pounds rep and then, you know, squeezing the bicep at the top. Should I continue that or should I stop those until my elbows heal a little bit more? Yeah, so two things you can do with that. One, you're definitely going to have to give them time to heal. So I would say avoid exercises that tend to bother it. And the number two, and this is just personal experience, really good, deep tissue massage, really made a huge difference for me in this area.

Starting point is 01:35:58 And when I say deep tissue, I mean your forearms are on a massage table and the therapist is getting in there pretty deep and then you're icing them afterwards. This made a huge difference for me, but you're gonna have to lay off a little bit on the exercises that are causing the issue to allow it to heal and then slowly work your way back in because all the tight gripping, the heavy dead lifting, the heavy pulling, if the inflammation's there,

Starting point is 01:36:23 it's not gonna go away until you back off a little bit. Well, especially with deadlifting, bothers this big time. So I just came off of dealing with this. Absolutely pay you, we need to have, we need to get you Prime Pro. This is why this program was written. So Doug, we'll send that over to you.

Starting point is 01:36:39 I actually have that, I'm doing it. Okay, so put a lot of energy and focus on the wrist and shoulder mobility. So wrist and shoulder mobility, do that for sure before you get into your workout. You can also, I would actually change out the bicep curls for Zotman curls. So, Zotman curls, if you go to,

Starting point is 01:37:01 and if Zotman curls is ZOT, T-T, M-A-N, if you go to our, and if Zotman curls is zero TT, M-A-N, if you go to our YouTube channel and just put into the search bar, put in mind pump, Zotman curls, I believe, Sal teaches those in there. Yeah, you teach them, right? Go in there, watch how we do them, replace the bicep curls with Zotman curls in there.

Starting point is 01:37:20 That'll help. We go real light. Yeah, real light. This is correctional. You're not doing it to work out your biceps. You've got to go really, really light because any type of intensity on this area is just going to make it worse. But if you do a good job on the, and this is when you know you're doing Prime Pro correctly

Starting point is 01:37:35 too, the intent of it's very important, right? If you just kind of go through the movements and you don't challenge the end range of motion, you won't feel it. But if you do a good job, you actually should feel instant relief in that area. And if you have one side that's worse than the other, you should see there's discrepancy in the wrist mobility on that side and or the shoulder mobility on that side. And you just want to work on that. And that's something that you can do all day through the day.

Starting point is 01:38:04 So right now I find myself, because this is something I was just recently battling, getting down on all fours and doing the wrist movements that we have in there. And it does. It instantly gives me relief. Now, if you also have the luxury of being able to have a massage therapist,

Starting point is 01:38:18 I would recommend that too, but you can definitely do a lot of work here just with your mobility stuff. Yeah, well definitely highlight the fact that we got to let them heal a bit. And you know, that's something that like I think in terms of getting a deep tissue massage, it's great, but you know, in terms of working out like letting off a bit, but but taking this as an opportunity for when the inflammation does start to subside, that you really implement a lot of those like prime pro type movements for wrists and shoulders,

Starting point is 01:38:50 so that way you can prime yourself properly before going back into the workouts. So you know, this prop, we can sort of correct the patterns that you had beforehand that was actually causing this issue to occur. One more thing too, if you want to try a natural anti-inflammatory, this doesn't solve the problem, but it might help get you to the point

Starting point is 01:39:09 where you feel better a little faster. You can try supplementing with bromelin, just make sure you take it on an empty stomach. So two or three times a day, you could take some bromelin pills or capsules on an empty stomach. So not with food, otherwise it acts totally different. And you should notice a significant improvement in the inflammation, but let it heal completely before you go back and start pushing the exercises.

Starting point is 01:39:32 Don't wait until it feels a little better, and then go work out, because otherwise it's just going to, you're going to stay in the same place. You're going to be fighting it the whole time. Yeah. So the deadlift's actually aggravated, because this is my first time doing dead lifts in the last six months and I really like them. Oh, what I mean, do I need anything that involves needing a strong grip or that involves pulling will aggravate it. So just go real light practice the technique in the form. Yeah, and the guys may disagree with me here. So again, I've been dealing with this right now. So

Starting point is 01:40:00 what I did was this is where while I'm working on this for tequila, I've been using wrist wraps when I do my deadlift. So and the thing you got to be careful of is that's a bandaid temporary. I know that it's not like you don't want to just forever now deadlift with wrist wraps. You want to address the issue, but if I'm trying to get ease back into my deadlifting, I'm still working on the golfer's elbow. And so I just did this yesterday when I deadlifted. I just use my wrist wraps to help, so I don't put as much stress on the golfer's elbow.

Starting point is 01:40:33 So that's not a permanent fix. That's a temporary fix while you work on this. So try that too. Okay. Thanks a lot, guys. No problem. Yeah. Those wrist wraps, man.

Starting point is 01:40:45 I mean, I'm dealing with this right now. No, I mean, it's like, if you want to continue doing the movement, but you want to also lay off of the muscles of the forearm, I mean. I mean, it's a similar thought process with like physiotape, like where you're trying to sort of isolate the problematic type of movement or the muscles that respond to that and calm them down while still being able to do some of

Starting point is 01:41:11 the movements. So there's value in that in terms of like staying active and being able to do movements, but still you got to bring the intensity down quite a bit. I'll tell you though, years ago, this was an issue and it was a challenge and I would get better and I get worse. And I had one and a half hour session with a massage therapist and all she did was work on my forearms and it was gnarly. But I swore to God, one session gone. It was gone, completely gone within a couple days.

Starting point is 01:41:38 So it can make a pretty big impact depending on the... No, it makes a huge impact. You get a nice massage like that. This is an air... Common area when I was body building that Katrina would have to work on all the time. But the main reason why she had to continue to work on it was because I didn't address the root cause,

Starting point is 01:41:51 which is the risk mobility stuff. So even now you'll catch, I mean, right, or she starts, you saw me doing this. Like if you take it, hopefully she's on the YouTube channel so she can watch this where I'll just take in the contracted position, contract my bicep and the fully contracted position. And then I'm gonna rotate my the contracted position, I contract my bicep in the fully contracted position, and then I'm gonna rotate my wrist as hard as I can

Starting point is 01:42:08 on both directions. At the end range of motion, I'm trying to challenge, turning it all the way. You can do this all day long, and try and do that. It's like a pageant wave. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, hello. But Jackie can you do this?

Starting point is 01:42:20 But the key to this, when we teach mobility stuff that I think where people go wrong is they just do this, right? They just go through and they stop at the end range where the relief will happen is taking to the end range and challenging trying to continue to rotate it and intensifying that. There you go. Look, if you like our information, you got to head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a lot of free stuff that we provide people.

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