Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1574: How to Prevent Muscle Loss When Cutting, Ways to Fix Muscle Imbalances, Techniques for Overcoming Wrist Pain & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 12, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer five Pump Head questions via Zoom. Mind Pump Training Updates: The paradox of fat loss and is Adam a workout at-home guy now? (3:57) Should ...we fear sex robots?! (13:25] Mayweather vs. Paul recap: Is boxing dead? (16:45) The guys speculate on the future of CGI and how it will impact Hollywood. (30:30) Adam’s adventure at the DMV. (37:21) When was the last time you saw Sylvester Stallone? (44:13) Special product promotion from Organifi. (45:50) How adolescence has gotten stretched out. (48:02) #Quah question #1 – Is there a way to improve strength or aesthetics without overtaxing the central nervous system? (51:59) #Quah question #2 – Do you have any suggestions on how I should change my diet or supplementation when on my menstrual cycle? (1:02:04) #Quah question #3 – What are some techniques for overcoming wrist pain when lifting? (1:11:35) #Quah question #4 – How can I prevent muscle loss when cutting? (1:16:45) #Quah question #5 – Any suggestions of programming if I have a history of muscle imbalances due to my sport? (1:25:28) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com June Promotion: MAPS Prime, Prime Pro, and the Prime Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “JUNEPRIME” at checkout** Mind Pump TV - YouTube Hackers could program sex robots to kill Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** The Mayweather-Paul Boxing Spectacle Monetizes Our Vices Army of the Dead | Netflix Official Site Watch 6 Glorious Minutes of Tig Notaro Getting Digitally Added to Army of the Dead The No-Cardio Way to Burn Fat & Age-Proof Your Body w/ MindPump Co-Host Sal Di Stefano! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* Longmire | Netflix Official Site The ONLY Way You Should Barbell Row – Mind Pump TV How to Fix Rounded Shoulders (GONE IN 4 STEPS!) | MIND PUMP TV MAPS Aesthetic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump #1125: Dr. Jolene Brighten- What You Need To Know About The Menstrual Cycle Bottoms Up Kettlebell Press Tutorial for SVKO Wild Card Event – Mind Pump TV The Official Indian Clubs Checklist (AVOID MISTAKES) | MIND PUMP TV Wrist Rolls - QUICK FITNESS TIP! - Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Anabolic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Fitness Performance | Muscle Adaptation Programming System GROW Your GLUTES with a SINGLE LEG DEADLIFT! - Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Prime Pro | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Floyd Mayweather (@floydmayweather)  Instagram Logan Paul (@loganpaul)  Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul)  Instagram Dr. Stefanie Cohen, DPT (@steficohen)  Instagram Chris D'Elia (@chrisdelia)  Instagram Sly Stallone (@officialslystallone)  Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram Dr. Jolene Brighten (@drjolenebrighten)  Instagram Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell)  Instagram Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, DO (@drgabriellelyon)  Instagram Laurie Christie King (@lauriechristieking)  Instagram  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, it was live questions. So people actually called it, and, la, la, la, la, la. Ask this question, and we help them out. By the way, if you want to get on one of these live episodes,
Starting point is 00:00:26 email your fitness and health question to live at mindpumpmedia.com. All right, but the way we opened the episode is with an intro portion, which was 45 minutes long where we talked about current events and we brought up our sponsors. After that, we got to live questions. So we opened up the episode by talking about
Starting point is 00:00:43 our body weight and our workouts. It's an update. So we've all been training pretty hard. The goal was to get lean, give a little update. By the way, Adam is now, looks like he's becoming an at-home workout guy. Remember the long time ago him and I got in a big old debate about working out in gym. So we've converted him. Versus home, one of the key factors is he's using PRX equipment.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Now this is one of our sponsors. PRX makes at-home gym equipment that's actually as good as or better than the is he's using PRX equipment. Now this is one of our sponsors. PRX makes at-home gym equipment. That's actually as good as or better than the stuff you find in gyms. But it's catered to your home, meaning, for example, their squat racks fold into the wall. So you can still park your car in the garage, but also have a very stable commercial quality squat rack. But they have much more.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Lots of equipment. Go check them out. And of course, with BIME pump, you get a discount, go to prxperformance.com forward slash mind pump, use the code mind pump five, so mind pump and the number five with no space for five percent off. Then we talk about sex robots and how they might be programmed to murder people. We talk about that a lot. Then we brought up the Mayweather Paul fight over the weekend, boxing's dead, it's going dead. Then we brought up the Mayweather Paul fight over the weekend. Boxing's dead.
Starting point is 00:01:46 It's going. It's done. Then we talked about Army of Dead. Believe it or not, one of the characters in that movie was CGI in the movie. They actually weren't there with that one. Catch which one. Really weird. Then Adam talks about his adventure at the DMV.
Starting point is 00:02:00 That's always fun. We talk about Sylvester Stallone, his age, and the guy looks amazing. Then I talk about a supplement from one of our sponsors called Organify. The supplement is Move. It's great for joint function. It's great for inflammation. And they have a giveaway going on right now. So if you go to organify.com, that's ORGA and IFI.com forward slash MindPump.
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Starting point is 00:02:40 The next question was from Abby from Wisconsin. This person wants to know how to maximize their workouts during their cycle. So when they're on their period or when they start to come off, any changes in workouts. Next question was from Nick from Maryland. He's got wrist pain from using the barbell and the bench press wants to know what he can do. Then we talked from Jacqueline with Jacqueline from Ohio. this person has been bumping their calories up, but part of the problem is now it might be too many calories. It's a little daunting once you know what they can do.
Starting point is 00:03:11 And then the final question was Mitchell from Ohio. This person is doing really well, but has a big discrepancy between the right and left side, wants to know what to do to balance out their body. Also, before the episode starts, all months long, we're running a 50% off sale, two programs and a bundle, huge promotion. So the two programs that are on sale are Maps Prime
Starting point is 00:03:34 and Maps Prime Pro, and the bundle that's on sale is the Prime Bundle. All of them are an additional 50% off. So very, very low price for some very, very effective valuable programs. You can learn more or just sign up at maps fitness products.com. Just make sure to use the code June prime with no space for the discount. Hey, remember when we all started, it was recently we're all like, we're all going to get leaner and we wait ourselves in. Yeah, what do you remember? What was my weight at? Was it 220?
Starting point is 00:04:05 Two, 25. Two, 25? No, no, no, because I was 225. That's right, I was 227. Yeah, and then, I was like, no, I was 230. Yeah, I was 230 something. You were the middle.
Starting point is 00:04:18 You was like two pounds for me. Yeah, I was like 223, you're 220. I think is what you were right. It's not like that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Are you guys know what you're at now? I haven't you guys made myself. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. I'm not like, I mean, I haven't weighed in like a week or so, but I have an idea where I'm out. Where are you? I'm actually not moving very much. I mean, I dropped the initial rights. I was 230, so I'm a lot different where I was.
Starting point is 00:04:40 I'm 220. I have been 10 pounds. Yeah, I mean, but I've been hanging at 220, I got down to 220 pretty quick, and then I've been hanging there, trying to get down to 215 is where I'd like to be, but it's, but honestly. Yeah, but you're doing a bit of a transfer, it looks like. Yeah, it looks like you're gaining muscle. Kind of, yeah, you know, I mean,
Starting point is 00:04:57 I have good weeks and bad weeks, I mean, I'm having this weekend, I was a little... Justin was saying in your glute area. That's growing. Primarily there, yes. Yeah, finally. Yeah, I've been secretly doing hip thrusts like you all the time. That's like it'll work out here. That's like it'll work out here.
Starting point is 00:05:13 No, no. Can't hip thrust as much. No, I, yeah. That's what I was saying. I got to wear tights at home. Yeah, I'm just kidding. It could be feeling secure. No, you know what I'm at now right now?
Starting point is 00:05:23 So if I was around 220, that's pretty crazy. I'm guessing you are through it. 205. Mm, that's close. I'm pretty good this guy. That's really close. I'd be good. Oh, look how close I was.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Yeah, I lost like 17. So you know what's crazy about this? This is the paradox of fat loss. And this is, especially for guys, it could be a pain in the ass. So today Eli came in, right? That's our editor and he does our video and stuff. And he actually does some pretty good,
Starting point is 00:05:45 actually you should check out some of our videos on what goes on here behind the scenes. That's all Eli. He does. Anyway, he comes in and I'm working out and I've got the wife beat around or whatever. And he naturally, yes, that's my workout. That's actually my always change.
Starting point is 00:06:00 So he's, let me take some pictures of whatever. He's like, do what do you've been doing? I'm like, I dropped about 17 pounds. And he's like, dude, what do you've been doing? I'm like I dropped about 17 pounds and he's like you did because you look like you gained weight like that's the paradox of Getting leaner you get leaner. I'm so mad now you feel smaller in a sweater. That's for sure I'm so mad I didn't learn that till like 10 years. Yeah, forever. I was on a permanent bulk for the longest time And I don't remember what what what made me get on a cut for the first time. I think it was the first time I ever felt like I actually had really jumped up in body fat percentage.
Starting point is 00:06:31 I was always pretty lean as a kid and switched to leaning out, and that was exactly what happened. I started getting these compliments, man, you look big. And I'm like, I lost 10 pounds. Yeah, I'm down weight in everyone's saying that. Well, it's like actually you could see the muscle. It has to say, for me it's usually like,
Starting point is 00:06:47 oh, I just have an arm. Yeah, it's like, oh, arm. But then now it's like, oh, there's muscles that are defined under the shoulder there. Yeah, yeah, there's some, there's a line. Yeah, I was so caught up on weight and size as a kid that I would measure my arms. And I didn't care, the arm got bigger,
Starting point is 00:07:04 it was a good thing, right? Yeah, yeah. But the biggest I would measure my arms and I didn't care if the arm got bigger it was a good thing right yeah yeah But the biggest I ever got my arm ever was like a little over 18 inches When I get really shredded my arm will get down to 17 maybe even small and 17 looks way bigger It looks way bigger because you're leaner, you know I'm speaking of working out and I had to say dude I am and I remember a while back I mean it was it was quite some time that we got in this big debate about, you know, being in a gym person and at home. Or I mean, I have been lifting at home now for,
Starting point is 00:07:30 God, we're going on over a year. The most consistent I've ever been lifting at home. Are you a home guy now? No, I don't want to go that far. I haven't, I don't want to go that far yet because I can be honest with you. I can't even remember what it's like to work out in a gym, it's been so long, right?
Starting point is 00:07:42 It's been that long for me that this is the only option. What what I'm enjoying the most like I absolutely love that I think you guys know I obviously I put a PR exit at the house now So what do you have you have the the fold out cage barbell weights you have dumbbells? Yep, you have done Yeah, but we have the one with the multiple grips right for the pull ups Yeah, I have the same one that we have in here except my solid black so jealous I don't have that one yeah, I went all I went all black on that I have the same one that we have in here. It's ever mind solid black. So I just want to. I just don't have that one. Yeah, I went all black on that.
Starting point is 00:08:06 And then the weights are cheaper to go all black too. So they don't look as cool. So my home gym doesn't look as cool as like this one in the trucky house, but it's a lot cheaper. I didn't realize what a difference it was. We have the curl bar and the, I'm going all out on my next home version. I do have, I do.
Starting point is 00:08:24 So I have an adjustable bench, and I also have the bench that fold. By the way, that's really cool too. It's so convenient. And it's nice. I thought it would be, So what do you do? It attaches, so under the cage. Yeah, it goes, it folds up against the wall and you can either leave it up like that
Starting point is 00:08:37 or you can fold it out. And I thought it would be a little janky to be honest with you. Like I thought, you know, a bench that's attached to the wall like that and folds up, it's not going to be stable. The opposite is true. And it's also a nice wide one, which I like the wider benches. So when you leave it folded up, you can still use the cage for, can you still use the cage for incline with you? Yes. Oh, so it doesn't get away for anything. Yeah. It doesn't get away at all. So I, when I roll the, I roll the, it doesn't go up the for incline, right? No, no, no, it, what what he's saying is so I have two benches. I have the bench that folds down
Starting point is 00:09:08 So you keep that up and then you bring the other and then I have an adjustable I would get in the way yeah, cuz I was like oh man did they figure that out? No, my head was gonna know no no no so I just I have an adjustable one and then I just rolled on and there And yeah, no it doesn't get in the way at all Wow, so I only use it when I'm doing flat bench press otherwise it stays folded up People don't realize what a big deal? It says I've worked out home gyms my whole life in a squat rack takes up a shit ton of space This is the pain the ass with it because you got if you have a garage
Starting point is 00:09:33 You're not gonna park your car in there. Well, that's so for me You know, I've won one bit of gym guy for so long not not really been in the at-home workout the other reason why I've never Wanted to do a gym at home was because I have you know cars that I park in the garage and I want my cars in the at-home workout. The other reason why I've never wanted to do a gym at home was because I have cars that I park in the garage and I want my cars in the garage. I'd rather that and go pay for a gym membership, but with this I can do both. So the cars fit perfectly fine with the setup because I mean, it literally, no, it's like this.
Starting point is 00:10:00 It takes up no space at all. It's nothing. Yeah, what impressed me was the stability of it. I mean, here's the thing, when you use a cage, you want it's like this. It takes up no space at all. Yeah, it's nothing. Yeah, what impressed me was the stability of it. I mean, here's the thing, when you use a cage, you want it to be stable. And I've worked out long, I remember, I'm old enough to remember what cage is for home use. You're living in big boyways.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Yeah, exactly. Hey, hey. No, I'm old enough to remember what at home cages were like. And they were not the most stable. It was like, you're, all right,, all right, we're playing this game. Let's see what happens. Or you had to have this massive one that took a half.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Commercial, half your garage. That's what I'm saying. The PRX ones, I remember we first were about to work with them and then we installed them. I was super skeptical and like, let's see how. It's more stable than just- Just and you try this out for us. Yeah, that's what it was.
Starting point is 00:10:44 It's more, this is true. Hopefully this works out for me. The PRX squat rack is more stable than the big commercial power rack that you work in. Because it is anchored at the well. Okay, so now you're working at home, you're lacking it more. What is it about working at home
Starting point is 00:10:58 that you're finding that you live? So what is interesting is my trick. So I feel pretty good, right? Where my physique is at right now. No, we're near where I wanna be or where I'm heading. Still pretty hot. But like a six and a half is what I feel like right now. Really?
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, what's a 10? Yeah, six and a half of the throats. 10 is what I look at when I'm on stage, bro. It's 10. That's a dime piece. Yeah. No, real talk, though. What I, my training, really different right now.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Like I really am taking advantage of the whole at home thing and not this structured one hour workout time. I'll do a few sets. Yeah, it's like I'll do that. I'll do two exercises here when I get home, I'll do one exercise and I'll go do stuff with Max, come back later, do another one. It's really starting to look like kind of like you're all day workout routine that you do.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Any differences, you notice? I mean, the mental part, right? It kind of messes with me. It makes me feel like I'm not training very well. Of course. I think I'm not like doing a good job, but then obviously, I mean, I'm paying attention tracking my physique and I'm taking weekly photos. And the volume, total volume is probably up.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah, it's probably about the same or up, right? Because I'm doing it more frequently through the day and I don't, it's weird. It's a kind of a mind-fuck because I feel like I'm slacking. Because I'm like, I never really break a sweat a lot of times and I don't really get this massive pump sometimes.
Starting point is 00:12:23 But because I'm just kind of just periodically going in the gym, go hit four or five sets of something, then go do something. It's more effective. I feel like. It's pretty cool. And that part of having a home gym, I am really enjoying that. And the fact that I feel like I feel very inconsistent about my lifting right now, and that I'm able to maintain
Starting point is 00:12:42 the physique that I have right now, I feel really good. Well, I mean, I'm guilty of doing the shirtless workouts. I'm gonna be honest with you. At home. Only though, at home. And it was funny because- Before we've done the dress- You guys are trying to literally like transform and change me.
Starting point is 00:12:58 I know what's happening here, but I was working out and I had my shirt off and I'm doing my thing. And then Courtney, like, came downstairs and she was like, wait a minute, just stay right there. And then she took her phone out and I had my shirt off and I'm doing my thing. And then Courtney came downstairs and she's like, wait a minute, just stay right there. And then she took her phone out and she's like, take a picture of me. Oh, what? That's the first time that's happened.
Starting point is 00:13:12 She's all men, where are you just later? Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Did she send that to Jessica? I think she texted Jessica. I'm sorry, dude. I mean, you know, like anybody wants to use it, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Well, speaking of sex, you know, this is actually moving from your conversation that you go had about the autonomous, you know, drone that was killing people. That was killing people. Yeah, did you hear that you can program the sex dolls to murder? Oh, I read this article. Did you read that article?
Starting point is 00:13:38 They didn't say you can. They said theoretically a hacker could. That's what it was. Well, here's the thing, right? You've seen all these hackers and what they've been doing with what was it lately was the red meat or the meat distribution. They've hacked the whole chain for that
Starting point is 00:13:54 and they've also hacked the, what was that with the gas? Wait a second, back up on the, why don't you hear any about this? Well, that just recently happened. It was like animal rights activists and they fucked with the computer systems of meat. So the slaughterhouses and everything else,
Starting point is 00:14:08 like they're all on the software and they hacked into their software somehow. Yeah. Well, so theoretically, there's a lot of problems you can think of. So this is my crazy mind, but think about autonomous cars. And mind-bomb. And listen, in 20 years, 20 or 30 years, 100%,
Starting point is 00:14:24 almost every car you'll see out driving is gonna be a self-driving autonomous car. People aren't gonna own cars like they do now, it's just not gonna make any sense. Now think of like somebody who's in the, with really nefarious intentions, like a terrorist attack and they hack like a... Drive you off a cliff.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Yeah, like 50,000 miles at the same time. All of a sudden during rush hour, cars, you just, you know, all over the place. Terrible, right? That's why I keep it old-scale. But I read that article about that. I mean, I'm a little more afraid of the sex robot. Like, you're vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:14:56 I mean, flying off, yeah, I was like, baby, I mean, baby. Driving off a cliff in my car is scary too, but I mean, if I'm at home with my sex doll and she all sudden tries to cut my thing off like that sounds Way scary. You're having sex with it. It gets Lorraine a Bob at dog starts to get rough I like this no new program. That's too rough Disengage disengage turn off Safe word was a safe wouldn't embarrassing way to die
Starting point is 00:15:21 Well, so you think we found Adam dead? This is what I worry about with any of this stuff and Neuralink and all these new things like we're oh yeah let's just put a chip in your brain that somebody could have access to. Sounds sounds like it's safe. Yeah, nobody else so listen forget the hacking of the robot doll to make to make it kill you or whatever the robot fucked all like just having robot fucked all's okay. That's going to change humanity more than people I think care to realize. Let's talk about the positive.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Yeah, you say no more traffic. Oh, that's right guys. That's how I thought you. All the angry guys out there, the ones killing people and stuff, dude. They're just gonna have robots. Yeah, you're gonna be happy. Get them a robot.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah. I just think no one's gonna go outside anymore. No more. The video games did the kids. Oh. Real soon here, now adults won't be out. It's gonna be terrible. Kids will be in playing video games. Guys will be in fucking dolls.
Starting point is 00:16:08 No traffic. That's it. That's an icy comment, so I'm excited. I'm all for this. I'm pushing it. Yeah, it'll be like people will spend a lot of money on it, for sure. What are you saving your money for?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Well, I've got three fucking master 4,000. So I'm trying to get the next model. Like Apple's gonna come out with a new one each time. Oh, you got the 12. Like their phone scam. Yeah. This one talks back to you. It looks just like the amulet from this watch.
Starting point is 00:16:33 This one orgasms every time, doesn't matter what you do. Oh my god. This one cleans your house too. Let's do it. Yeah. 10 grand down. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Yeah, that is kind of weird. Speaking of weird, I've been waiting for you to give us the low down on the Mayweather Paul fight over the weekend. So I watched it. We didn't buy it. I almost missed it. So I forgot it was coming up.
Starting point is 00:16:57 And then I, some pops up in my feed and I'm like, oh shit, that's supposed to be this weekend. And they had it at Sunday night, which was just weird in the first place. So I thought that was really interesting that they did a Sunday. Why not Saturday? That's strange.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Which, whatever, though, I mean, that's why I got it. So I wouldn't have been on the watch if it was on Saturday. So I watched it. And Logan Paul went all eight with him, but it was a terrible dude. There was no judges. They weren't gonna declare a winner no matter what. No, they it was a terrible was terrible. Dude, there was no judges. They weren't going to declare a winner no matter what.
Starting point is 00:17:26 No, they were. Yeah, they would. I mean, it was still it was still it was an exhibition, but there was not. It was based knockout. It's basically knocked down. It's knockout. So they would say, yeah, but no points.
Starting point is 00:17:35 In other words, if no knockout got it, got it. There's no winner. Yeah, yes, there's no. I read this is what I read. I didn't watch it. Okay, but I read some controversy. Someone put up a clip on Twitter and it looked like at one point, I don't know if you've seen this,
Starting point is 00:17:46 Mayweather hits him and he slumps over, but Mayweather holds him up and then he comes too. And so the speculation is that the agreement was. He was like a left hook that he saw. Nobody knocked me out. So that is, I saw that, right? So I watched that which, by the way, so did you guys see everything with showtime?
Starting point is 00:18:04 They're streaming because it was so over,'re streaming what because it was so over I'm assuming because it was so overloaded I only got like half the fight it was dropping every every minute and a half you every and I so and Katrina got online to see like everybody was that so a bunch of people are demanding a refund wow and it's so annoying and when you sign for it you they disclaimer is that they they won't give a refund for something like that. If there was obviously the fight gets canceled, you can get a refund. So they must have made a ton.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Yeah. I know Mayweather is supposed to make 50 million, is what I heard. Or 50 million? No, 100 or something like that. After all the money comes. After everything else. Yeah, I think they projected him to Jake, I mean, excuse me, Logan, to make at least 10 to 20. And I think they projected Mayweather to make one here at least 10 to 20 and I think they projected may weather to make like 50 I feel
Starting point is 00:18:47 Terrible for fighters for real fighters. Yeah, you know, I'm watching this. I'm so frustrated So I have it rounds like so did did he like may weather didn't even come out there like aggressive Well, it was he like didn't sell defense. You guys remember what we talked about this this exactly what I thought was gonna happen I mean may weather is notorious for this He is what he is known for. Yeah, what he is known for is he's got one of the best boxing defenses in the world ever. I mean, that was what he was so good at. He's so elusive. And so if I always thought like even if Paul had a slight chance at one point in the fight, he would just out dance him. I knew that would happen. I was like, so even if he gets hit one time and it kind of freaks out,
Starting point is 00:19:26 maybe whether it's all the may, whether it's just gonna dance and score points the rest of the time. So I knew we were in for a fight like this. Now, I was hoping, and I think so was everybody that watched this was, we get to see some sort of, at least a knock down, if not a knock out. Like you thought, you come on, you were one of the world class
Starting point is 00:19:42 boxer fighting a YouTuber. The least we should get out of this is a as a fucking you know a good lick and smells fishy to me It smells very fishy to me. It smells like they made a deal and he said look here's a deal We'll fight. We're gonna make a shit ton of money. Don't knock me out, but let's make it competitive Let's have fun with it because guess what's gonna happen now? The money goes up. Well, the money gonna keep going, so long as the inevitability of these types of fights because it's all money driven. There's no like a purity of the sport of it.
Starting point is 00:20:14 So I, okay, I mean, obviously I was the one that was, out of the three of us that was really predicting that this is where it's gonna go. And I have to say that even being that person watching, I'm a little bummed for the sport because it's definitely not going away. And like you said, they were already talking about a second, told you, running it back.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Yeah, or his brother. And so, This is WWE, And it's crazy because we're gonna pay. You have people, obviously, I mean, they wouldn't do it if no one was watching and no one's paying with it. I can't wait till a boxer goes in there whose pride is you know more important to him than his wallet and he's in there and he says No, I'm gonna they're not gonna find one. I'm gonna put exactly for a hundred million
Starting point is 00:20:56 Find one yeah, they're just gonna get somebody that's Down and out and needs money and so they will do it ever so what you're saying more so what you guys think And so I don't know if I subscribe to this. So and my buddy thinks this too, that you know, there was a behind the door handshake like, you know, let's go out there. Let's make it fun, it's very interesting. Let's make it fun, but let's not like try and really win
Starting point is 00:21:15 or kill each other over this and let's go make millions. I don't know if I subscribe to that. I mean, I feel like. Yeah, because boxing's never done stuff like that before. Tell me what, it's not that that it's not that I don't Think for that reason. I really feel like I think I feel like Logan Paul was trying his hardest I feel like may whether and may wither said this like he didn't even train that hard. Yeah fight He knew yeah, it's part of the story bro. I think it's part of the story
Starting point is 00:21:39 I think he's gonna make shit up to set like because people are like, why didn't you knock him out? I didn't train I'm 44 second nature dude. I'm smaller he's gonna make shit up to set like because people are like, why didn't you knock him out at a train? I'm 40 or a second nature dude. I'm smaller. No dude, I think exactly that. I think they're looking at how much money, think about it. May, first of all, he may be known as the most elusive, best defense of all time.
Starting point is 00:21:58 One of the greatest boxers. Very smart business man. May weather's known as being one of the best business man in boxing, I would not be surprised if behind closed doors, they said, how much money can we make off of two or three fights? Forget the one fight, how much money can we make if we struggle?
Starting point is 00:22:14 Well, how did it, Adam, how did it stack against like Conor McGregor, Mayweather? Like, what was the difference? Well, I, when I thought was pretty entertaining. I did, I thought McGregor was way more entertaining. Yeah. I don't think, see, I think the deal would have been different with McGregor because McGregor and him are actual fighters
Starting point is 00:22:30 and they're going in there to see who can win. That's what I would say. Yeah, again, I don't know how, it felt to me like Logan Paul was really trying. It felt like Mayweather was just light years ahead of him skill-wise and knew that he could dance around him. Like, you do, I mean, to me, I don't know, if it was staged, which again, I don't think I would,
Starting point is 00:22:49 being a betting man, I wouldn't bet against you on that by the way. So even though I'm debating you a little bit right now, I wouldn't put money on saying that you're wrong and I'm riding the situation. I didn't think it was staged. I felt like it's exactly what happened. You have a fighter like who's not even a real fighter,
Starting point is 00:23:04 like Logan Paul, and then you have someone like, maybe with her, who is unbelievably skilled and talented and knew that he could go in there and just dance around him for a while. And so he got in there and he sparred with him for that. That's exactly what I mean. So I don't think it's necessary, like, all right, round four, you do this, right?
Starting point is 00:23:20 I think it's literally, let's go in there and the idea is, let's see if we can make it last. Don't let me be too bad. Exactly. And then let's see what happens. But I think Logan Paul was, let's go in there and the idea is, let's see if we can make it last long. It's too bad. Exactly. And then let's see what happens with the second. But I think Logan Paul was trying his ass off, because I think, I think that's a game, if you could try his ass off.
Starting point is 00:23:32 You could go on them. Yeah, because it would benefit him. It would exactly, if he got him, then oh my God, would that open the door for a rematch? He would open the door for him finding another real fighter. I mean, if Logan, it only doesn't pan out for Mayweather, if Mayweather loses. Right?
Starting point is 00:23:49 Mayweather loses that, that's the worst thing that could happen, right? I mean, because then everybody's like, He ain't gonna get knocked out by Paul. There's no way. And so that's what I mean. Nobody could knock him out, and he fought the best of the best of all time. No amateur boxers gonna knock him out.
Starting point is 00:24:02 His defense isn't saying, you know what I would like to say? I'd like to see Pacquiao in there with, because he's a brawler. And he's not gonna dance around. He's gonna sit there and trade punches. And that's a whole different fight, in my opinion. Mayweather is very technical, totally different. Yeah, I don't know if it matters,
Starting point is 00:24:18 but at the end of the day, this is a really interesting time in sports right now. I mean, the fact that show time signed Jake Paul now, I mean, you're talking about a boxing. I mean, this was not, they're not like the other organization that is, you know, entertainers and they're going to different route. I mean, they, they're, you know, or see the time was boxing. Yes, right. So show, and they still are. I mean, they're still the main, the main pay-per-view for boxing. So you got to see them signing someone like a Jake Paul, just shows you that the tide is turning, that they cannot ignore the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
Starting point is 00:24:52 the money. Yeah, they can't ignore it. It's always going. It's always been about entertainment and money. It's just always a way. So then what happens? Is this mean that like, because you would rather see, and this is true right now, right? Like, you would rather see if and this is true right now, right? Like you would rather see if you've got Will Smith versus, you know, name another person who's got a... Chris Pratt or something. Yeah, right? Like we all know who they are as actors,
Starting point is 00:25:13 and if they both were kind of picking up boxes. I'd rather see that in my intro show now. Yeah, two regional or, you know, state champion. Right. So, and they each have, you know, I was Will Smith up to like 50 or 100 million followers on Instagram or something. And you know, so Chris Pratt probably up there too, like, you know, how easily they can draw, you know, enough people to pay the 49 bucks to watch the fight.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I feel terrible because here's the fight game. It's killing the sport. Dude, the fight game is crazy. Like people, and by the way, it's always been like it's only the sport though, because this wouldn't work basketball. the fight game is crazy. Like people, and by the way, it's always been like this. It's only this sport though, because this wouldn't work basketball. Nobody gives a shit about Will Smith and Chris Pratt playing basketball because he took it
Starting point is 00:25:50 because neither one of them had that skill. It would be boring to watch. But a fight, it's a fight. It's a fight, you know what I'm saying? So there's a, and again, listen, Bob, it's always been like this and fighting. Like, do you know how many incredible... CrossFit came in and then did that to weightlifting.
Starting point is 00:26:04 Yeah, it's the same thing. It is. Well, okay. So it's in boxing. Do you know how many incredible fighters never got an opportunity to fight for the title because they weren't entertaining enough to watch or they were bad matchup? Well, that's what we see that with the UFC. Many people say that about Conor McGregor. That he got like he got handed a bunch of fights that yeah, I don't know if I fully agree with that because he's he's One a lot of a good fight, but supposedly, you know He is avoided also the people that would have challenged But just here's the fight game is you train your ass off forever You get your head bashed in in training you fight your ass off and the goal is one day and it's a very small
Starting point is 00:26:43 You know percentage chance that you're going to at one day and it's a very small, you know, percentage chance That you're going to at one day make a lot of money doing this and so you're grinding you're getting your ass kick You're crushing you're making dirt you're having to work two or three jobs to support yourself And then you see this YouTube kid go in there and make $20 million with Mayweather, you know like I would be so upset It would I don't know what I would I. I know, it would frustrate me as an athlete, but then at the same time too, you can't knock Logan Paul and his brilliant. Of course. Like Kudos to him.
Starting point is 00:27:12 They're pioneers. Like, right. I mean, for building the audience they built and then to have the awareness to, I mean, I wouldn't even put a past this kid to have had the foresight to do this, to know like, listen, I've got a massive following.
Starting point is 00:27:26 If I pick up a sport like fighting and just start practicing it, get some good, throwing some combinations, I could start calling out some other people and we can, I don't know if he ever saw that it would end up being someone as big as Mayweather that he would actually get that collar or whatever. But I mean, it's not that's not a bad strategy. He's seen this now too in our space, in the fitness space, like the strong men, we're like setting up all these fights now, and you see Steffi Cohen, and you see...
Starting point is 00:27:51 Oh yeah, she did fight. Yeah, these little exhibitions that they're trying to fight to cash in because apparently boxing now is the next thing where people are getting a nice cash. Well, it's the one sport that doesn't matter at what level you are. It's always in fight always it's a fight. That's right. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:28:07 So that's where this is really unique. It doesn't work with anything else. Baseball soccer, football, I mean, all those, I challenge you to pull. Yeah. You know what I guess? If you're not good at it, nobody gives a shit. But this is the one where if you're really bad at it,
Starting point is 00:28:20 you might get your ass kicked. And so I'm curious to see you get your ass kicked. So yeah, it's just like a school yard playground like somebody calls somebody out and you're like, yeah, everybody's like, fine, I'll tell you what I thought was the funniest thing about all of this was Logan Paul comes out and he has a diamond chain. Doug maybe you can look this up so the guys can see this. So look up Logan Paul's necklace fight, you know, maybe that'll pop it up. So he has this diamond chain with a gold plated framed Pokemon card.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Oh God. Cool dude. Wow. You're making all this money and that's how you're playing. You know when this guy gets laid, you know what it is? What kind of world do we live in? Do we group with YouTube?
Starting point is 00:29:03 Yeah, like he says, that's his jam. It's all about making yourself a parody. You know what I mean? Like how ridiculous can I make myself? Cause that's what makes my- Which Pokemon is that matters? It's a million dollar card. Wow.
Starting point is 00:29:16 So he's basically showing off that he has a million dollar necklace. Well, exactly. It's the new gold grill. That's no, that's exactly what it is. I mean, that's been obviously popular forever is to do these crazy chains that are over the top. Like, this is the, but like, and again, pioneer, right? Cause you know, you know, people are gonna do this now.
Starting point is 00:29:37 It's gonna be this creating a market just by doing that. That's right. Yeah, back in the day, back in the day, boxers would buy like rare tigers and animals, right? What are you gonna do next I get oh Cameras so big weather may weather okay check this out look at totally you know look up may weather Too headed lizards Doug look up may whether is what he his outfit that he comes out into so he was an all-alligator skin
Starting point is 00:30:01 Wow, so his outfit was over mean, literally these two guys came out with probably millions of dollars of jewelry and clothes on them when they came out. This is T. Rex leather. And then they come out. It's the rarest shit in the world. You know, there's wrappers that are walking them down. And so I mean, it's gotta be so if you are like
Starting point is 00:30:21 an amateur boxer you've been fighting for 10 years. I feel like it's the worst of you man. You wanna kill your TV. You're like, I can't believe it's happening. Oh my God. So speaking of craziness, I'm about to blow your minds right now. Oh please do. Like seriously blow your minds.
Starting point is 00:30:34 You guys both watched Army of the Dead, right? Yes. Okay. Do you know the character that plays the helicopter pilot, that girl? Mm-hmm. Okay. Teak or whatever, she's a stand-up comedian. Yeah, Tigo or something that girl. Okay. Teek or whatever, she's a standup comedian.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Yeah, Tego or something like that. Okay, did you guys know that she was completely CGI in the home movie? What? She had the fuck out of here. She was not in the movie. Do you know who originally played that character? Who?
Starting point is 00:30:58 Chris Delia. After the scandal they pulled him in. During the sex scandal thing that was going on, they CGI'd her over him. Wow. And so that whole time I had no idea the whole time watching it. You could do that. That's apparently you could do that.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Dude, he got woke cleaned up just bro. Yeah, they swashed with a chick too. They straight up washed you away. They stolen him. You know, Stalin used to do that right. You have people wiped out in pictures after you. Yeah. They literally, Chris daily have played that part. Do that just blew my mind. Yeah, right? He had people wiped out in pictures after he did. They literally, Chris Daly, have played that part.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Do that just blew my mind? Yeah, Doug, maybe you can look it up. Army of the dead CGI actor or actress. I didn't know. They CGI her over it. So Batista never met this person, never met her, then because they never acted. Whoa. And I could not tell. That's how good it was. I didn't know that. It could not tell. Well, she didn't really interact with anybody. I'm trying to think of some scenes where there was crossover. Yeah, they see CGI and film that separately. Is that Chris Delia in the back right there? Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:31:55 There we go. Is it Delia or Delia? I think it's Delia. Is it Delia? I don't know. Wow, that's crazy. Blue my mind. So do you have any ideas?
Starting point is 00:32:04 So how far did you read this hard? That's crazy. He gets screwed out of the money, did he get it? I have no idea. But I know in Pull Dem out of the movie. And the, and the, and the. So remember, right, this is another thing that I speculated on the future of what we're gonna see.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Okay, and this is definitely the movement in this direction with CGI getting this good, is in the future, Tom Cruise will not even have to go show up to the movie. He could just rent his CGI version out. Exactly. Right? Like once have a new own your brand your look like everything about you the way you talk Like so you can sell that right and I feel like market I feel like we're gonna see and imagine you could do multiple movies at once So imagine there's like a a version and this is what the trend this is my prediction here Okay, this is what the transition will look like this guy yeah, I speculate here. I love okay
Starting point is 00:32:44 This is what it's gonna look like so Tom Cruise will going to look like. Yeah, I'm going to speculate. This is what it's going to look like. So Tom Cruise will have, I'm just using him as an example because he's popular, right? But he will have a CGI booking fee, and then he'll have a real live booking fee. And it'll be like crazy difference. It'll be like, if you just want my CGI version of me,
Starting point is 00:33:01 it's a really cheap rate. So like your low budget films can afford somebody like a CGI. You know, he's gonna go crazy with this? Samuel L. Jackson. The guy fucking is in every movie now. Every movie now. Yeah, with him and Kevin Bacon.
Starting point is 00:33:13 There's like, yeah, we're catching it. I'll do it. Well, seriously though, here's the problem with CGI now. The way it works now is you still have to film all the scenes. You're just in front of a green screen, then they have to digitally insert you into the movie. So it's not like you're not working. Now the difference is you don't have to be on location,
Starting point is 00:33:34 you don't have to fly somewhere, all that stuff. But I don't know if it costs more or less. Because CGI can be damn expensive. You've seen some of these Star Wars remakes where you saw Luke even as young Luke coming in yes, and so there's ways it now that they can even just do the full CGI And just like take your voice and all that kind of stuff and just organize it now. That's my prediction Yeah, that's my prediction. That's insane is that CGI is gonna get so good that you're not gonna have live actors at all That's what I'm saying no, you're not gonna have live actors at all. That's what I'm saying. No, you're not even gonna have people's likeness.
Starting point is 00:34:06 You're gonna create the perfect character and then Paramount is gonna own that character. Well, you've seen people do that. We pulled that up a long time ago on Instagram where there's accounts where there's just CGI, they just made up a character and they have like a following. Millions of followers, right?
Starting point is 00:34:22 Yeah, so I mean, that's really good. What does that say, sir? It says that they following millions of followers, right? Yeah, so I mean, it's, yeah, that's really good. No, what does that say, sir? It says that they spent millions digitally removing, yeah, see, they digitally removed Chris Diliya and then replaced it with this. Wow, that's crazy. That's a crazy decision to make too. I mean, they lost millions of dollars
Starting point is 00:34:38 before they even released it. Well, when they did the movie, obviously Chris Diliya nobody knew that he was texting or whatever messaging underage girls. That comes out whether it was true or not, so that we got to remove it. Well, nothing never, I mean, that is crazy considering that they never proved it, right?
Starting point is 00:34:53 I mean, he didn't get in trouble, did he? I don't know. That's a good question. I don't think he did. I know, Calendon, that's for sure. Yeah, so I mean, that's got to be the ultimate, like, fuck, you finished the movie, you're getting paid to do the movie. And they're like, sorry, we're gonna take you out of it.
Starting point is 00:35:07 So that's what I wanna know. You do that? I wanna know if that, if you can counter-sue now. Well, or if he still got his money. He probably still got paid. You think so? I bet you, I wonder. See, Chris, see if Chris,
Starting point is 00:35:18 yeah, you're right. You're Chris Dillia get paid for Armageddon. I don't know. I must have had to honor the contract. Well, here's, I wonder if it's something like this though. I wonder if you get paid to do it, and then you get paid if the movie makes a certain amount. And so because they never actually showed him on screen, he only made the amount to do the work and didn't make the amount to actually be shown in the movie. Does that make sense? Yeah. Or maybe those contracts
Starting point is 00:35:41 don't exist because this isn't something that's ever happened before. Yeah. I've never heard of that before. Isn't that weird? Where they remove an actor like that? I've never heard of that. Talk about a bold move though to spend millions of dollars doing something like that. That's interesting. Now, if his contract was void, though, then that's a different story because that's probably
Starting point is 00:35:59 what he would have been paid. So then whatever. Wow. But this does, I mean, this does point in the direction that this is where we're going with this CGI that You know the future may be less and less. I mean if you're an actor, it's got to be a little scary then right? You get replaced. Yeah, you're gonna get replaced. You cleanly. Yeah, pretty soon It's not gonna be actors that are gonna be paid a lot of money, but it's gonna be creators of CGI characters Yeah, you're gonna be some kid and then with you know lives in your mom's basement really good with your computer
Starting point is 00:36:24 I was watching a walley again with my my son. I love that You're gonna be some kid with, you know, lives in your mom's basement, really good with your computer. I was watching a Wally again with my son. I love that movie. And I do just think that it's, it looks like it's gonna be accurate. I just feel like that's me. We are handing in that direction. They do a good job at depicting that. The rascal scooters are still out there in full force.
Starting point is 00:36:41 It made me sad when I washed it precisely because I thought, ooh, this is a little too close to home. I was at the mall in fact with Jessica this weekend, we took the baby there to take him for a walk and to get him to go to sleep. And so we're just in the mall. And I'm noticing how many people are walking around on their phones. And I'm like, as soon as they make a screen
Starting point is 00:36:59 that appears in front of your face, that does all the stuff, that's it. We're gonna be in crowds alone all the time. People are gonna be walking around and nobody's gonna see each other. Well, this was my experience, too, that's it. We're gonna be in crowds alone all the time. People are gonna be walking around and nobody's gonna see each other. Well, this was my experience, by the way. I had to start tripping people again. What do you mean again?
Starting point is 00:37:11 Like when I was younger, you know? I started paying attention here. When did you stop doing that, Justin? I have a job. The tough part is that I mean, there's the other side that meant it's a it's pretty cool, right? So I mean, I I went to DMV this weekend, which talk about a fun weekend, right? Awesome. That's a wonderful example of government efficiency.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Oh my god. They love when you forget one little item. So I show up. Okay, 8 a.m. is when I it opens. So I get down, I'm like, I'm going to be there 10, 15 minutes early. So I drive all the way down to DMV. Right. Probably already out the door around the building twice, around the building twice. Wow. I've never seen so much technology. You would have thought somebody famous was there, right? So it was insane. So then I go and first of all, like, I had asked so many people, like,
Starting point is 00:38:02 where does this thing begin? And everyone's like pointing different directions. They finally find the back of the line. So it's like 10 to 8. It's finally 8 o'clock, then the doors open. Some people are filing in. I'm in this crazy long line that's snaking around. 8, 28, 30, I get to the front line where I get handed a ticket that says come back at 2 p.m. Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:20 So I get a ticket that says, now luckily it was that far. It, now I had a drive so it's about 35 minutes or so from the house and so I had to drive down there. Katrina was, she was somewhere with Max Kimmer where her Max went and so I was like, okay, lucky. It's that far of a gap that it makes sense for me to come home and hang out with them and then come back.
Starting point is 00:38:41 It would have really sucked if it was like two hours later than I'm like, what do I do, you know? So anyways, I come back at two to wait in line again for like an hour and a half. And this time, this is my point, it was to your point of, you know, phones and screens. Everybody in line. Nobody is talking to anyone. All of us are on our phones because you're standing in this line with nothing is DMV. There's nothing to the defense and that environment.
Starting point is 00:39:06 I think that's completely. Right. No, I answered like 150 DMs. I can't remember the last time I cleared that many. Yeah, I cleared so many DMs. I don't remember the last time I got that many done because I was just standing in this line. Now, were you okay?
Starting point is 00:39:20 You get what you needed to get. So, okay. So, Jerry had everything ready for me at a time. So, I told her what I had to do for getting my license and all that and she looked up on DMV, she called down there, you need this form, this, this, this. Had everything all printed out for me in a manil folder ready to go, so I just had to go take my stuff, right? Katrina, you know, I told her, I said, listen, I said DMV is like, I'd rather get teeth
Starting point is 00:39:44 pulled by the way than go to fucking DMV. Oh, man. I I said DMV is like I'd rather get teeth pulled by the way than go to fucking DMV Oh, man, I would rather I would rather no, I would rather get teeth pulled I'm kind of I think I'm with you. Yeah, and so I'm so I'm I'm I'm stressing to Katrina I was like hey, did you know it? Did you make sure Jerry went to she goes no? I actually got on and double checked her work as I know what a headache DMV is so I get all that I have I can't Remember last time I have, I don't get anxiety, I have anxiety while I'm waiting this line
Starting point is 00:40:08 because it's already been this all day long work. If I forget one thing. That's right. And they only take in walk, they only take walkins on Saturdays. Otherwise, I gotta set appointments and appointments take like three months to get an appointment in here. So I'm like, I have all this anxiety of my whole day being wasted, getting up there
Starting point is 00:40:23 and then potentially like one thing and so I'm going, oh my god. Did you use blue ink? Oh, sorry. You know, some shit like that. Yeah, seriously like that. Now, I'm about to go and I'm like freaking out. Like, what happens?
Starting point is 00:40:33 What happens? And I'm like, you know what Adam, you just, okay, you got to win this girl over right away and you sit down. So I totally like flirt, bro. Like, get up there. She sits me down and I sit down and, like, it's hot in here. No, not like that.
Starting point is 00:40:44 Not like that. Like, friendly for, right? So I get down and I get taught in here. No, not like that. Not like that. Like friendly for. Oh, I dropped that pencil. Let me pick it up. I sit down and the first thing I say is like, wow, it's a new DMV. Who does your hair? I go, wow, this place is amazing.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I'm like, and you guys are all so friendly. I've never been to a DMV that's like this. Just lying. Oh, she looks like she was, are you messing with me right now? I said, no, like, I was walking, I was waiting in line and like everyone's smiling and the every soon as you sit down, everyone's friendly with them.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Like, this is such a great experience. I said, I've never, I had to, to be honest with you, I had a lot of anxiety coming here today and just already seeing the way you guys are with your customers, it's just amazing. And I'm so, oh, just bullshit. So she's like, oh, you know, like, oh, what can I do for you, dates?
Starting point is 00:41:29 Well, I try. Yeah, I say, well, I need to, and I pull out all my stuff other than Nell Fuller. So I'd like to get my license and stuff. And if I can, get my registration handled today if possible for transferring over here. And she's like, okay, well, do you have it? Am I, yeah?
Starting point is 00:41:42 If you have it, yeah, there she goes. And your social security card. Ah! And I go, I could just tell my face, you're, oh yeah. And I go, oh, who carries that on that? I go, oh, the website didn't say I needed to have that and she goes, oh, yeah, you need to have that. And I'm, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Now luckily, she could see the fit, my look on my face. Oh, I was just, oh, freaked out. And then because we started on my foot, she's like, well, do you have this? Maybe we could use this, maybe we could use that. Oh, I was just, oh, freaked out. And then because we started on my foot, she's like, well, do you have this? Maybe we could use this, maybe we could use that. And then I'm like, oh my God, well, let me call my wife real quick and see if she can email this over to me
Starting point is 00:42:12 or what we can get or what will work. She goes, do you have an a W2? Because we have a W2, I need something that has your legal name on it with your sole security. And he's been on this, she goes, what about your 1099 for your tax return? And I'm like, okay, well, I had my tax return, but I didn't have the form that I need to fill out,
Starting point is 00:42:28 which is what she needed. And so she spent like a good 30 minutes with me on the phone with Katrina, like digging through our email to find something. She should have never done that. Never, never, never. DMV is not like that. If you don't have something, they literally go like,
Starting point is 00:42:42 oh, you need that, come back and they move on to the next person because they have a long line. But because I swear to God, because I started off the conversation. Turn on the Adam Chau. Oh, she was so willing to work with me and eventually Katrina found an email that was like an old W-2 that I had, that had my name
Starting point is 00:42:57 and my social on it. She took, and she actually took my phone, emailed herself, then printed it off on the DMV, when is DMV ever done some shit like never? Never, never. She gets my phone, emailed herself, then printed it off on the DMV. When is DMV ever done some shit like that? Never. Never. She gets my phone, she emails herself, she gets help, she gets help to come over
Starting point is 00:43:10 to print it, size it right. This is what happens if you have a monopoly. If DMV was privatized, no way they would survive. I'm lying around the, whatever. I go to this company over here, there's a way faster. And the crazy board of joke. What the crazy board of others is that I had this triple checked. Jerry went back, I mean, this is what Jerry's a badass, right?
Starting point is 00:43:28 We all know that she is like on top of everything for us in this business. So she's already thorough as it is. And then I was stressed out about it. So Katrina's like, I made sure I double checked. I went on the website. This is everything that you need. And then I get up there and I'm missing what they need.
Starting point is 00:43:43 I'm like, son of a bitch. I would not have been able to do that. I would have lost my shit. It worked out. It's official. I'm good. I should have it in two weeks, but boy was that freaking. But you're good now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. Although to get I wasn't able to register the car. There's a bunch of other loopholes, which I like I said, could you tell me everything that I'm gonna need when I come back here, what I need to do before is there an order I need to have it like I took like these like super thorough notes that so when next time I come in to do that
Starting point is 00:44:11 I'll handle hey hey have you wins the last time I want to ask you guys this wins the last time you guys saw Sylvester Stallone Like a recent picture of video of him. Hmm. That's a good question I thought I saw him on an interview like a few years ago maybe. So he's done the expendable movies. Is he have social media? Is he on Instagram? Yeah, so he's on Instagram. He's on Instagram and I haven't seen
Starting point is 00:44:32 the guy in a long time. And I was just on Joe DeFranco's podcast. He asked me a question about Rocky because he's a big Rocky fan. He got me thinking about Sloan. I wonder what he's up to. That guy's 75 years old. You guys know that?
Starting point is 00:44:44 He's seven. That's so cool. I'm looking at his Instagram right now. Bro, he looks amazing. Now, the way he moves and the way he looks, if you don't know his age, you think, oh man, he's kind of moving a little stiff and old. Then when you consider he's 75, boy, that's a miracle of Western medicine.
Starting point is 00:44:59 I tell you, the hormones, because I know he's been on hormone therapy for years and years and years He also trains his ass off. He also eats right the dude is shredded muscular and just looks insane at 75 years old He looks crazy. There's something to all that he finally surpassed the kitchen sink and everything Because you know, there was always this whole thing between him and Arnold and Arnold was obviously you know mr. Olympia But now he looks way better than yeah Arnold kind of let himself go for a bit, but then he started coming back because he was going to do more movies again. And so he's sort of getting back and shit. But if you watched the long, so that's just the ones always been trained.
Starting point is 00:45:34 You watch his workouts, he's strong, he's mobile, especially when you consider his age, he's got really good mobility, good strength. Well, he looks phenomenal. It's insane. He looks phenomenal. Phenomenal. Yeah, he looks phenomenal. It's insane. He looks phenomenal. Phenomenal. Yeah, for 70 something years old. That's crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:49 It's crazy to me. Speaking of movement and mobility, I want to make this announcement, organifies having a promotion for their move supplement. Oh, you really like that. I think you used it the most. I do. And it's really, really good.
Starting point is 00:46:02 So it's really good for reducing inflammation, improving mobility, in combination's really, really good. So it's really good for reducing inflammation, improving mobility. In combination with a good mobility program, it works wonders, right? You don't want to just take something, reduce inflammation, then you're like, oh, I feel better. You need to correct the issues that are the root cause, right? But in combination, what it does is it allows you to do better mobility and allows you to move the need.
Starting point is 00:46:21 You know, move the need. Take that like at the end of the day, typically if you're gonna take it, I feel like a hard session of training. No, I don't take it specifically around training, but I do take it a couple times a day, especially when I'm noticing that I'm a little stiff, but what they have right now is- Yeah, what's the promotion?
Starting point is 00:46:37 The next two weeks, I believe you buy one bottle and you get one free. Oh, nice. So it's the organify move, buy one, get one free. But look at the ingredients. Tumoric Arctic Pine bark, as the xanthin holy basil. Yeah, people get mad.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Or something. Holy basil. That's how I basil. Holy basil. We've gone too long. Is there like basil? There's holy basil. Yeah, it's like basil. And listen, it's holy. It's blessed.
Starting point is 00:46:59 But it's blessed. No, holy basil is a divine. You know why that's funny to me? Because remember you used to make jokes about like, we were making fun of different supplements and it's like, this is blessed whatever monk fruit, whatever. I used to make jokes about that. So to see like something named holy basil on the... I think it was called holy basil because it was valued among spiritual practitioners.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Is that real? Yeah. So, aeravetic medicine uses holy basil quite a bit. Aeravetic medicine is a big supplement or herb or plant. Big in the spices. That's why you're gonna call bullshit Doug, what's that look for?
Starting point is 00:47:32 I'm not gonna call bullshit. I think holy basil is also the Thai basil that you're getting, you're like Thai curries and things like that. Oh, interesting. Yeah, interesting. So it's a Southeast Asian basil, I believe. Oh, very cool. Didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:47:44 But yeah, I know that they use very cool. Didn't know that. But yeah, I know that they use it in aeravetic medicine and it actually helps balance out stress. It's got some adaptogenic properties. But all those ingredients, none of them are like, you know, ibuprofen or aspirin. It doesn't work that way. It actually helps your body balance out
Starting point is 00:47:59 in this inflammatory process. So it's a healthy supplement. So I found like the, a real manly show for you guys. Why, because we've been talking about chicken. You guys have been talking about chick shows, like up the Yin Yang, right? Okay. Like, which is great, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:48:12 But it's really hard to find a good manly show. What's a manly show? Yeah, okay. So watch Longmire. So it's basically, it's about this sheriff in Wyoming who, you know, has has all these crazy murder cases and all this kind of stuff that he's trying to solve. But it's just like, it's a depiction of a real,
Starting point is 00:48:31 like one of the last kind of like manly dudes out there. Like there's just no, all these depictions of men now are so weak and pathetic. So I'm sorry. But that's true. They're just the one that you're kicking aside. Like, oh yeah, that was great. You know, like yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:46 It's always like pathetic. So anyway, he's a strong character, he's masculine and it's cool. Wow. There it is. It's time about masculine. You posted a picture of your no no, right? My grandfather.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Yeah, the him with the tire. That was like a manly photo. It was in the 1950s, I don't know what the year is, it's him and his brother, they're in Venezuela. You actually went to Venezuela from Sicily because there were opportunities there to start business. So he went there before he came to America and they had a tire shop.
Starting point is 00:49:15 And so it's a picture of him with his brother standing in front of the tire shop. And it's funny, when you look at those old pictures, they were in their early 20s, maybe even late teens, but they look like they're in their childhood. They're way older. It's because old pictures do that. Or either that 20s, maybe even late teens, but they look like they're as old as they're. You're way older. It's because old pictures do that or either that or because the guy had been working hard
Starting point is 00:49:29 labor since he was a child, so you might be 20, but he's actually 40. No, I have a different theory on that. I think it's because like, and it really started, I feel like our generation was beginning this, but kids like dress and do a lot weirder shit than kids back then. Oh, you were like, there wasn't like, when you were a kid, you were one and thenirder shit than kids back then. Oh, you were like there wasn't like when you were a kid you were 19. And they're more stoic back then. Yeah, in the 50s you were proper.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Everybody had very similar haircuts. You dressed very similar like this generation. It's the opposite. Oh, yeah. If you're a young. I had a lesson to stretch out. You look, I mean, but you when you're young though, like when you're in your 20, like you're 20 now,
Starting point is 00:50:03 you're pushing the boundaries with haircut, piercing tattoos, the way you dress, like you live with mom and dad. You just, when my grandfather, it's true. When my grandfather was 13, do you think it has to do with their haircuts? I think it's all that. Okay, fine.
Starting point is 00:50:17 You're connecting two different things. No, no, no, no, I'm saying it. When I'm saying, they live with mom and dad, I'm like, well, they cut their hair different and they let their in a different shit. Well, what I mean is, when my grandfather, in that era, and dad. I'm like, well, they cut their hair different and they let their in a different shit. Well, what I mean is, well, my ground fault, in that era, when you're 22 years old,
Starting point is 00:50:29 you have a family, you have a mortgage, you have your career. Now, 22 year olds don't have that. 22 years were like, okay, I get you. Can I still be on my mom and dad's insurance because I don't have a job yet, you know, type of deal. So you can fuck off Mars. Yes, Adolescence has got stretched out for sure. Yeah, but I think that's the reason why
Starting point is 00:50:45 those pictures look like that is because they are even at 20, you're already dressing, looking like you're in, you're like a 30 or 40 year old today, because a 20 year old today, I feel like stands out like a sore thumb compared to a 40 year old. Oh, you should hear the grant, my story, the story she tells me of those days, when he was in Venezuela with his brothers.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Remember his eight men, eight brothers, and he's like, oh yeah, I was like, what was it like living over there? Because you're not in your country. Oh, it was hard, a lot of fights. I'm like, what do you mean a lot of fights? Oh yeah, we fight almost every day. We get in a fight with people
Starting point is 00:51:17 because they say something to us and you punch them in a face and just mad. And I'm not gonna disguise face often. I'm like, all the time? Like that? It was all, yeah, all the time. He's like, sort of, what was like, you know. That's so wild. Holy cow, man. tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organified Totally Risk Free for 60 days by going to Organify.com.
Starting point is 00:51:49 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first color is John from California. What's up John, how come we help you? Hey guys, so I have a couple of questions centered around the central nervous system and kind of still making progress in terms of strength and aesthetics without overtaxing the CNS. OK. I don't know if that's actually possible,
Starting point is 00:52:17 especially in terms of maintaining compound lifts. But in terms of context, I lifted bodybuilder style pretty consistently since high school. I picked up rock climbing about a year ago, and I'm in my mid-30s now, so I'm really finding it difficult trying to balance training for climbing and kind of maintaining that physique and that volume and still pushing like the bigger lifts, like at least the big three. I've been pulling back resistance training for the last year
Starting point is 00:52:47 Trying to find a better balance between Climbing training for climbing and actual lifting My theory is it's CNS rather than like muscular fatigue or tendon or ligament fatigue So the question or the biggest question I have for you is is there a way to improve strength or aesthetics without overtaxing the CNS and I'm thinking of or the biggest question I have for you is, is there a way to improve strength or aesthetics without overtaxing the CNS? And I'm thinking of maybe doing like a big foundation day with the big three.
Starting point is 00:53:13 And then trigger sessions the other six days. I don't know. I'm kind of just trying to figure out a program around four days of climbing. Okay, it's four days of class. And I ask how often I climb? It's a good question. So four days of climbing. Oh, okay. It's four days of class. How often I have to climb? That's a good question.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Four days and I'm assuming at least an hour or longer you're climbing for. Probably 90 minutes. And then I'm calling it climbing, but there's also training for climbing, things like that. I'm calling those four days, climbing days, but some of it is just like pull ups with, I mean, heavy weight, pull ups on Olympic rings, stuff like that. So those are my pull ups. I like this idea.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Yeah, no, you know, so here's the thing. You asked if you can make aesthetic progress without hammering your central nervous system, that's the only way you can make progress, is without taxing it. So it doesn't matter what you're doing, if your CNS is fried, which by the way, this is important, your CNS gets fried, which by the way, it's important.
Starting point is 00:54:05 Your CNS gets affected by much more than just exercise. Any stress will affect your central nervous system. So lack of sleep, a too restrictive diet, stress in your life. Crazy girlfriend. Yeah, that'll kill your CNS, especially the crazy girlfriend part. But no, all joking aside, the only way you'll make progress is if the CNS is recovered and you feel good. So here's what I would do with you if you were my client.
Starting point is 00:54:28 First off, on your climbing days, I'm assuming you're doing a lot of volume, a lot of frequency, but not going to failure, which is a good thing, right? You're not treating it like a bodybuilding workout, you're practicing your climbing skills, so it's just lots and lots and lots of repetition and movement, which is good for what we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:54:44 I think one day a week of resistance training and I would focus entirely on three exercises or four exercises, compound lifts. Here's the other thing, to improve your climbing ability, I don't know how important it is for you to be a good rock climber. You might want to limit the amount of size you put on your legs.
Starting point is 00:55:02 One thing you'll notice with really really good rock climbers They don't have huge legs Huge legs tend to be a detriment because obviously you have to pull that weight up But aside from that literally three or four exercises compound lifts on you know one day a week Don't go to failure. You're doing the climbing and then instead of trigger sessions What will probably bring in more value is mobility. I think that'll help the most. I would do shoulder mobility, wrist and hand mobility,
Starting point is 00:55:30 because those areas tend to get hammered a lot with the climbing. Well, it makes the most sense for climbing, right? But for aesthetics, I mean, I like your strategy. I mean, I think it's a good place to start, and then there's nothing wrong with molding that as you go along. Like, let's say, for example, you're running the one foundational day and then you're doing the six trigger days, and you find that the trigger days are actually in peeding on your climbing skills, and then I would switch over to more mobility work like Salisang, or maybe you split half mobility, half trigger days
Starting point is 00:55:58 and play with that a little bit. But I think overall your strategy in the direction you're going with just one main foundational day with scattered trigger or mobility days to replace the rest of your training. Because, when you say aesthetics, aesthetics is a lot of times too, just being lean, right? So you don't necessarily need to get much bigger. If you lean out, what you will do, if you're rock climbing and you're eating healthy because you're exercising that much, you'll look good. So it's really about how much muscle you want to allow yourself to build to not hinder
Starting point is 00:56:30 your rock climbing. Yeah, and one more thing, because I know you're doing a lot of pulling, right? So you may think that you want to avoid a compound back exercise for your lifting day. I would definitely avoid any weighted pull down or pull up movements, because you're doing that so much, but don't neglect rowing. One of the imbalances that I've seen
Starting point is 00:56:51 in my experience with rock climbers is they get very, very strong lats, but sometimes they get forward shoulder because of the lack of rom-boyed and mid-tropesia strength that matches it. So rows, really focusing on pulling the shoulder blades back would help balance that out a little bit and maybe prevent shoulder problems
Starting point is 00:57:10 that tend to plague rock climbers. Okay, so stick to the big five for that foundation day and then mobility or trigger sessions the other six days. Have you guys ever talked about a trigger session for ABB specifically? I haven't seen that anywhere. I mean, you can do it for anybody part, but if you wanna trigger session for ABB specifically? I haven't seen that anywhere. I mean, you can do it for any body part, but if you want to do it for ABBs, I mean, I would go crunches, active planks.
Starting point is 00:57:32 You could do rotation with a band, you know, get some obliques, you know, some chops. I mean, really any exercise that's low to moderate intensity. Yeah, trigger sessions should be recuperative, So that's really where I would figure out how many of these destructure in, if it is providing that type of rest recovery element to it. Otherwise I would then shift it a little bit more towards mobility if it is impeding on that at all. But for what you're describing, I think that it all sounds pretty... It's a great place to start.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, the thing that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, no, it's a great, I think it's a great strategy where to start. And then you just, and I don't care how experienced all three of us are, I would still have to probably change this based off of the feedback you give me. So I would be looking, I'd say, Hey, this is what we're going to start with this. Based off your goals, would you tell me I think you're going to be able to modify it as you go? That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:24 If I try to be greedy hypothetically, um, because I used to be like a five day, six day a week kind of guy, if I try to bump two foundation days and just hold those, ideally, like like an anabolic style, ideally you would space those out as much as possible, correct? Yeah. Keep that signal loud. I would, but more isn't better. So keep that in mind. Just because you can do more
Starting point is 00:58:45 and tolerate more, does not mean you're going to get faster and better results. In fact, you might actually get slower results. So sometimes we confuse how much we can tolerate with ideal amount, because there's like a bell curve, right? The right dose will give you the best results. You might be able to tolerate more, which is fine if you're trying to increase your work capacity, and you know, maybe stamina and that kind of stuff is fine if you're trying to increase your work capacity and you know maybe stamina and that kind of stuff, but if you're looking for aesthetics, doing more is not going to get you better either faster. If you were going to do that, this is what I would do. So before I went and like mirrored that first, so I'd have like the foundational day first, like your strategy is perfect, right? And then let's say
Starting point is 00:59:20 you want to get greedy and you want to push a second. My second, like quote unquote, foundational day would look more like a focus session day. So I would pick more isolation exercises. Here's where things like the leg press and leg extensions and leg curl machines. This is where they would have a lot of value here. So I would actually, you'd have your one big day, which is your compound lifting, which is going to be the dead lifts, the squats, the overhead press, bench press, rows. Those are the big movements you're gonna do on that one day. And then if you're feeling good and you're like,
Starting point is 00:59:48 okay, let me try and add another day. Do you like a pump day, right? Yeah, do more of like a focus type session from like aesthetic, which is more like your isolation exercises, machine exercises. And first see how that handles, your body handles that before trying to emulate another compound lifting day like your first foundation days.
Starting point is 01:00:07 That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. What I've been programming right now is I've been programming a Monday, Wednesday, the big five, or the big four because Sal's right actually. I've been neglecting pull because by default I'm technically hitting four pull days. So I'll try to push in leg on my foundation day So I'm glad so I actually said that I'll include that fifth on clue the fifth big lift the pool movement Awesome. Thanks for that. Thanks for calling John. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. No problem
Starting point is 01:00:36 Have you guys ever worked with the rock climbers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely and I mean obviously smart guy and I think he's on the right track. I mean, and again, one person, this may be too much volume. Another person, they can handle adding another day in there. And we wouldn't know that until we start testing our theory. It's amazing when your intensity's moderate, the amount of volume you can eventually work up to is tremendous, but when your're in ten cities high,
Starting point is 01:01:05 boy do you get limited. But yeah, with rock climbers, what I would notice, the issues I would have to focus on were forward shoulder, because it'd be so many pull downs or pull ups, I should say, they get these really powerful lats and then they'd kind of have this imbalance with the mid back.
Starting point is 01:01:20 And so you see this forward shoulder quite a bit and that's okay for rock climbing, but it's not when you start to notice shoulder problems or shoulder pain So I would have them do stuff to kind of retract the scapula and then hand in risk mobility because obviously they're using the hand so much Oh, yeah, lots of mobility needs to be attached so that is interesting with rock climbers like how strong like how loud a signal They can get from their CNLs because it's so demanding on the body, people don't understand how demanding that is, like all the way to your fingertips, in terms of being able to shuttle
Starting point is 01:01:51 that type of recruitment and strength. So I love rock climbers because they're easy to mold into your strength program. Yeah, their isometric strength is always impressive. It's crazy. Our next color is Abby from Wisconsin. Abby, how's it going? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to say that I love all the content that you guys put out and I share it with my clients and everybody that I love. So my question today is, one thing that I've noticed
Starting point is 01:02:28 when I start to, when I'm on the first couple days of my menstrual cycle, I feel like my lifts are definitely not, I don't feel as strong in those first couple days that I usually do when I go through any of my programs. I just started, I'm actually in the third phase of Maths Esthetic and one way that I've kind of noticed that I'm not feeling as strong is I, with watching my numbers, the numbers will kind of dip on those first couple days kind of towards the end of the week there I noticed I start to gain some of that strength back. I guess
Starting point is 01:03:13 what I was looking for was maybe some suggestion on either anything to change in my diet or anything for supplementation. I do track my period, so I know that's, it's pretty accurate, so I know if I change anything, I can really kind of tweak any of the days that I need to. I'm also not on any birth control, so I don't know if that makes a difference. So yeah, just wondering what you guys had for any suggestions for that. Super, super good question. Also very common. So the first thing I wanna say is this,
Starting point is 01:03:52 in this, it trumps everything else, okay? And this is for men, for women, people who men straight people on birth control doesn't matter. At the end of the day, the thing that trumps everything is to listen to your body. So if you feel more fatigued or less strength or your recovery is reduced, and this could be the result of, I mean, a million factors, right?
Starting point is 01:04:13 It could be lack of sleep, it could be stress, it could be diet, and then in your case, you seem to be tracking very closely, it could be hormonal changes, always listen to your body. All right, now let's get a little more general. Let's talk a little bit more generally in terms of the cycle that a woman goes through. And hormones change quite dramatically through the month. And so with that, I would say the best advice I've ever gotten, I talked to Dr. Jolene Brite and at depth with this.
Starting point is 01:04:42 We've actually had her on the podcast a couple of times and I talked to her off-air on this because At one point I had an idea to create a program based around this So I actually actually asked her quite a bit of questions and Dr. Jolene Bryant as you know is an expert on this particular subject And she said you know one of the best things you could do is go with the feelings that you have during your cycle So a lot of women will notice their appetite will increase and they'll have more energy during ovulation. In the beginning phases, they may notice that their energy is low or they may notice their appetite drop.
Starting point is 01:05:14 And so basically what she's saying is exactly what we say, which is listen to your body. So in those phases where you feel stronger, you feel more energy, go ahead and push yourself a little bit harder. In those phases where you feel like, you feel more energy, go ahead and push yourself a little bit harder. In those phases where you feel like your appetite is higher, like, oh, I've got stronger cravings, eat more good food. That's okay to bump your calories on those days.
Starting point is 01:05:35 On the times when you feel like you're just not as hungry, it's okay to reduce your calories. And then when your energy is lower, reduce your intensity, reduce the weight that you're lifting. At the end of the day, this is going to, it's not going to impact your gains or your progress in any negative way. In fact, if you follow your body, you'll get better results and better progress than if you try to counter it. If you say to yourself, gosh, I feel like I'm not as energetic today. I feel like my strength is a little low, but I'm supposed to push the intensity.
Starting point is 01:06:07 So I'm just gonna push the intensity anyway. That's the wrong approach. So follow what your hormones are telling you because there's a lot of good information there. So you just have to listen to it. I definitely would make sure you are following Dr. Brighton. So Julian Brighton, Dr. Becky Campbell, and then Lori Christie King, I think.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Those three, I think, are some of my three favorite ladies that speak to this topic. Gabriel Lion, too. Yeah, Dr. Gabriel Lion. Dr. Gabriel Lion, too, I'd add her in there. So those are four friends of ours that are really experts in this field in arena. They speak to it a lot on their social media.
Starting point is 01:06:42 So if you're not following them, I do recommend that. Now, so I had a question for you that I use, I can't remember where I read this, but I did read that it's not a bad idea to try and replenish like iron at these times because the red blood cells that you're losing, and so I would have clients do like a spinach salad with like raisins and stuff. And do you see value in that or have you heard that? Well, so it's obviously women tend to be anemic far higher rates than men because they lose blood
Starting point is 01:07:13 on a regular basis. In fact, for men, they actually recommend men give blood sometimes because we build up too much iron. But you would need to get a blood test for this because it wouldn't make a difference if your iron levels were fine. This is not all women, but yes, iron B vitamins can also make a big difference
Starting point is 01:07:31 for some women, but it depends. It depends on the person. And something you can do is if you have a pretty good physician, a pretty progressive doctor, you can ask to have these things tested, and then I would test them, make sure you test these nutrients at the heaviest part of your cycle
Starting point is 01:07:48 because it doesn't make any sense to test it when you're feeling great or whatever. So time it, time it for, when your flow is heaviest, when you're probably highest risk for nutrient deficiency. And then in which case, if you do see like, oh, your borderline, anemic during these periods of time, during the month, in which case, supplementing with see like, oh, your borderline, anemic during these periods of time, during
Starting point is 01:08:05 the month, in which case supplementing with iron, even just cooking with a cast iron skillet, you know, let people know that. Well, that's the advice. I would, so obviously I'm not a doctor and I would never recommend something like supplementing for something without finding out details, but I always felt that, okay, it wouldn't hurt to tell a client like try and have a salad. Consider it as. Yeah, spinach and raisins like, I'm not gonna probably do any damage to somebody
Starting point is 01:08:26 by doing that, even if I don't see blood work. So I thought that was always like a decent advice, but you're right, I would definitely, before you go take an iron supplement, definitely go see. Yeah, because the thing here, Abby, that I'm always cautious of is I could tell you, okay, during the luteal phase of your period,
Starting point is 01:08:42 you should do this and during that, whatever. The problem with that is, there's an individual variance, you know? There's always, so there's definitely this general truth with it, but I don't care if the book says you're supposed to feel a particular way. If you don't, I'm not gonna train you that particular way. So at the end of the day, the advice is always
Starting point is 01:09:01 that I've had female clients that feel like super woman during this time and then I've had the complete that feel like superwoman during this time and then I've had the complete office women feel like I don't even want to get out of bed. Yeah, so there's that much of a spectrum here that that listening to your body always trumps everything. Totally. I hope that helps Abby. Yeah, definitely. That's definitely helpful. All right. Well, perfect. Thanks for calling. Awesome. Thanks for taking my call. No problem. Boy, you want to talk about the differences between biological men and women. Just look at the hormone
Starting point is 01:09:29 changes that a woman will go through every month. We're like the same all the time. And we are, you know, it's like this doesn't matter what day it is, whatever. It's like always the same. Yeah. But their hormone profile changes radically throughout the month and you know, it's even more important to listen to your body. Let's say you try and be hard-headed about what you're doing, but you're not listening to the fact that, I mean, imagine as a man, some days your testosterone was through the roof, some days it was super low and growth hormone was different, insulin was there.
Starting point is 01:10:01 Like, you know, you would have to listen to that, right? See what your body feels. What are you about to say? No, I'm not going to I know you're I know you're he's resisting there's a joke there for sure I'm holding back dude I'm trying to be professional I know you are I can see it on your face you're going you're talking about how much the hormones fluctuate for a woman how inconsistent it is and I'm gonna get you just about to say some shit right now I don't know I'm gonna hold out that's three teenage guys no I can just see on say so. I can't get right now. I don't know, I'm gonna hold out. That's three teenage guys. No, I definitely don't.
Starting point is 01:10:26 No, I can just see on this face. I definitely think you should follow those four ladies, though. I think they're all very, very smart. Yes. And they center a lot of their content around questions I do. I think they're much smarter than I am in experience in this area. Yeah, like you brought up.
Starting point is 01:10:41 There's just factors like that, even with heart rate variability. Yes. You just see these things. It fluctuates all over the place for people and if you're just trying to to go Do this general type of programming and be consistent with it you have to adjust and you have to adjust on the fly Based on what your body's signal telling you and what I love so much about Dr. Jolene Bryant and is she talks to this because people are so Girls are totally
Starting point is 01:11:05 uninformed. In fact, they'll go to the doctor and tell them, oh, I'm feeling really tired or I'm feeling a little bit more emotional or my...and the doctor will be like, we can fix that by putting you on birth control or antidepressants or whatever. This is often times very natural cycle. And so it's good to be educated so you don't think to yourself what's wrong with me, but rather this is normal. I'm supposed to feel so.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Wasn't that the motivation behind Beyond the Pill? Yes. Which was Jolene's book. Yes it was. I mean, that was the motivation behind it. Absolutely. Our next caller is Nick from Maryland. Hey, what's up Nick?
Starting point is 01:11:37 How can we help you? Hi guys, thanks for having me on. So as I've been doing more strength training over the last four or five months or so, I've begun to develop my all-the-bone seems to experience a lot of strain. It's only on one wrist, so I don't know if it's a overall structure thing or if it's a muscle imbalance, but as I've gotten stronger, I've noticed doing like straight bar bench and things like that on the bone seems to to push out which turns my whole hand inward now. I have not any
Starting point is 01:12:10 injuries on or anything like that, so I'm not too sure what the origin of it is, but somebody suggested it needs to be more of a wrist stability strengthening solution. Yeah Nick, so this is common when people are utilizing a grip that is not ideal on the bar. Okay, so first off, you want a full grip, you want a tight, strong grip, you want to keep your wrist strong, a straight, which means you may not be able to lift as much because you might be, you might be, you know, you might have gotten used to a particular grip, which means you're stronger with a grip that's not beneficial. So, change the grip, but here's what I would do first.
Starting point is 01:12:48 First thing I would do is I would void barbell and I would stick to all dumbbells and I would maintain a real straight, strong grip that doesn't cause pain in my wrist. Wait till the pain subsides, then when you go back to barbell work, go much lighter, and get used to a different grip on the bar or wait, it doesn't hurt your rest.
Starting point is 01:13:06 I would also try something that's pretty unconventional. If you have access to kettlebells, I'm gonna go same place. Yeah, bottoms up press. Just because it's so revealing as to where you're not properly stabilizing, you don't have the strength to keep that nice tight fist because it's gonna be moving on you.
Starting point is 01:13:28 It's gonna be moving left to right. It's gonna be moving front to back. It might even try to rotate on you. And so you have to account for that while you're pressing it up super slow. And this is a very challenging exercise on its own. Let alone somebody with wrist issues. So I would go very light and really try and work on that
Starting point is 01:13:46 for quite some time until you feel like you have a solid, stable grip with that. I love that recommendation because I was the direction I was gonna go. The other, I don't know, there's names, you would know the names better than I would. There's good Indian club exercises too. I don't know if there's, like,
Starting point is 01:14:01 there are, there are wrist rolls and different types of casting movements that you can do with with the Indian clubs and and basically you can roll your wrist and circles, you know, different different directions. So there's plenty of that plenty of videos on that. I think I've even done some of the videos on that as well. But that would be very helpful for you as well. Yeah, so Nick the thing you're going to want wanna be careful for because it's gonna be very tempting to wear wrist braces and wrist wraps. So that you started with wraps. Now I've gotten so used to it, yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:33 Yeah, cause what'll happen is it's just, and I know why it's tempting, right? You don't wanna go lighter. So you're like, oh, I'm lifting this much. If I wear the wrist brace or wrist wrap, I can continue to lift heavy and do this lift, but I caution you because if your wrist continues down this path, I mean, your hands connect you to everything you do with resistance training for your upper body.
Starting point is 01:14:54 And even for some lower body stuff, I've known people who can't squat because of wrist problems because they can't put their hand back on the bar. So I would say, go with dumbbells, go lighter, and start to get used to a different grip, a strong, straight grip. And don't worry, you'll get back to where you were before, but then you won't be limited by wrist pain anymore. By the way, I experienced this myself for a long time.
Starting point is 01:15:16 For a long time, I pressed with a thumbless, they call suicide grip. My wrist would be bent back, and I ended up getting good at it. And if I did another grip, I had to go lighter, so I was really hard headed about it. And I did what you did as I put the wrist wraps on to the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:15:31 And it just became a big problem. And it's like, okay, I wanna be able to work out without needing all these aids on my body. So I had to back off. It took me a few months, but then I got back to where I was and then I surpassed it. And I was able to surpass it with better biomechanics. All right.
Starting point is 01:15:47 All right. Cool. Thanks for calling in Nick. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me. No problem. Right.
Starting point is 01:15:55 I knew Justin was going to go that direction. That's a good one. It is really tempting when you're working out and you notice a little bit of joint pain in your hitting PRs and you're like, do I work on mobility or do I just put on a knee brace or do I work on mobility or do I just put on a knee brace or do I work on mobility or do I just put on risk, you know, wraps or whatever. It's really I just was a big problem for me when I was two. I mean, I Maybe Justin's the only one out of us that didn't do this is bad. I definitely did this so it was everything. I wasn't strong enough to have I stayed in the the lightweight range of the gym. So I was just fine. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, very common.
Starting point is 01:16:26 This is one of those things that, especially you do a lot of barbell work, and you're not addressing these things right away. It's just gonna catch up to you, just like with the shoulder, like any kind of position that's not ideal, you're gonna end up inevitably hitting that wall where it's gonna talk to you with pain. Our next color is Jacqueline from Ohio.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Hey Jacqueline, how can we help you? Hi, I just wanted to start by saying thank you just like everybody else does. I really enjoyed your content and have definitely been utilizing your expertise that you guys put out there. Thank you. So yeah, thank you. It's commendable what you guys are doing for the fitness industry. Awesome.
Starting point is 01:17:04 So essentially my question is while I'm cutting, should I be focusing on the absolute muscle number versus the muscle percentage? Because although I have a science background, so I understand the differences, but I was just curious which one I should prioritize while I'm cutting. And if it's a bad thing, that one's going down and one's going up, or vice versa. Yeah, no, this is a great question. Okay, so for somebody listening right now, that's like, what is she talking about?
Starting point is 01:17:31 Okay, so absolute number would be total pounds of lean body mass, right? Percentage would be a percentage of your overall body weight. So let's say somebody loses 10 pounds on the scale, but loses two pounds of muscle. So that means eight pounds of body weight. So let's say somebody loses 10 pounds on the scale, but loses two pounds of muscle. So that means eight pounds of body fat. They lost two pounds of muscle, but as a percentage of their overall body weight, their muscle mass percentage may go up because
Starting point is 01:17:55 it's a percentage of your overall body weight. Okay, so this can be confusing because with body fat, it's very clear. What you want to look at with body fat is percentage. Total number is not that big of a deal. It's percentage that matters because, you know, body fat on a 200 pound man, if you slap that on a 100 pound man, all of a sudden, same body fat now makes that person much fatter because they have so much less lean body mass. But when it comes to muscle, it's a little different. Total makes a big difference. If you lose two pounds of muscle, you lose two pounds of muscle. You've lost two pounds of metabolically active insulin-sensitive,
Starting point is 01:18:31 glycogen-storing, strength-producing tissue, right? So even though the percentage of your overall lean body mass goes up, you still lost some muscle. So when it comes to muscle, percentage, don't worry about that. Look at percentage of body fat. But what you want is you want lean body mass total number to go up. Now there's one thing to be careful for, which is when you're looking at lean body mass, that's all non fat mass. So that means if your water weight goes down, lean body mass obviously lean body mass obviously measures as going down as well. And this will sometimes happen with body fat tests where you'll get tested.
Starting point is 01:19:08 And if it doesn't test water in your body, and then it may look like you lost lean body mass, but really you're just not holding as much water, especially if you go from a higher carb to a lower carb diet. So this is us talking about a cut, right? Because that makes a difference. If you're on the bulk, I'd also be careful just chasing the total number then. Because that's the... As long as it's lean. Right, but if you're chasing the total number on a bulk, you've got to be... Because then you turn into like the bodybuilders, what happens all the time, right? Where
Starting point is 01:19:34 they just... They bulk and... Oh, man, I've added three pounds of muscle, four pounds of muscle, ten pounds of muscle. Well, then you've got to look at body fat percentage. Right. Right, right. So, depending on the direction you're going, depends on how I'm looking at this, right? I'm looking at this like if I'm on a bulk, I'm careful not to be putting on too much body fat percentage as my total number is going up because you could add five pounds of muscle, but if you had to put on 15 pounds of fat to get those five pounds of muscle, I'm kind of overflowing. Yeah, you have to consider body fat percentage with either one. Body fat percentage is always percentage. That's always going to be what you look at, whether you're gaining or you're losing.
Starting point is 01:20:09 But when it comes to muscle, forget percentage of lean body mass, look at total muscle, or total, I should say, because it doesn't measure muscle rights, lean body mass, look at total lean body mass. So percentage for fat, for lean body mass, total number is what's important. So as you get leaner or lighter on the scale, but you notice you're losing three or four pounds of lean body mass, so long as it's not water, and you know it's probably muscle,
Starting point is 01:20:34 you're gonna notice some negative effects from that. You're gonna notice maybe less strength, slower metabolism, you know, possibly, for example. So always mean, look at that number, look at that total number for lean body mass. It's always very important. Okay. Yeah. No, that's, that's useful.
Starting point is 01:20:49 I just, to answer the like cut or bulking question, I'm not really doing eye there. I was definitely bulking for a while just because I switched to lifting more often instead of cardio and just like everybody says, uh, you're getting hungry and hungrier and you're still losing weight and And it's kind of mind-boggling, but I eventually got to the point where the calories I was eating was super daunting for me. So I just wanted to listen to my body
Starting point is 01:21:13 and kind of cut back and just only eat when I was hungry. And. Oh, well, that's a good choice, Jacqueline. You know, I'm glad you said that because we talk so much about the importance of having lean body mass. But if it's at the expense of you feeling like you're force feeding yourself, or your quality of life is decreased, then who cares?
Starting point is 01:21:33 Which is actually a good place, though, because this is what I'm always under bound. That's right. I'm always seeking this place for my client, right? When I get a client, it doesn't matter. Weight, fat loss, muscle, I want to get to a place where I've ramped that metabolism up so much that you look back at me as a client, you're like, Adam, I just, I just, I'm just a chore. I'm just a chore to eat this much. And I'm like, awesome. Now let's just listen to your body, eat when you're hungry. Let's not worry about getting to a certain amount
Starting point is 01:22:00 of calories, you know, but stay fed when you're hungry, eat, do make good choices, and then we get into that nice little intuitive place where I'm trying to get with all my clients where you're very satisfied where you're at, you're able to keep a lean physique at the same time, and then you don't feel like you're also stuffing yourself all the time. Right, yeah, because I was starting to go down the path of eating snacks or sugar in order to get to that calorie place and I just, that's not the path I wanted to start down. So in order to just real quick, in order to minimize the muscle loss, do you recommend changing like a program to like
Starting point is 01:22:35 a prime or more mobilization instead of lifting in order to minimize that muscle loss? I mean, actually the opposite. Yeah. the opposite. Antibolic would be like an antibiotic strength based type of program. Yeah, and obviously keeping your protein and take high, studies are pretty good on this. Like as your calories drop, your protein intake to minimize muscle loss typically needs to go up.
Starting point is 01:22:57 So if you're around 0.7 grams per pound of body weight, you can move up to one gram per pound of body weight while cutting, you know, maybe fat and carbs to bring your calories down. Just keep this in mind if we reduce calories and we also change the signal of trying to get your body to build muscle to doing things more like mobility, it'll adapt in that direction, which it'll pair down muscles.
Starting point is 01:23:18 So if we wanna hang on to as much muscle as we want, you wanna still send the signal that we were trying to build even though you may not be feeding yourself that way. And that should help actually preserve more muscle while also, obviously, keeping the protein in take up. Interesting. Okay. That's kind of kind of intuitive to what I thought.
Starting point is 01:23:33 So I appreciate you correcting that. No problem. Thanks for calling, Jacqueline. Yeah. Thank you. You know, that's, I'm so glad. Very technical question. You need to break all this down, I feel like.
Starting point is 01:23:45 So, so again, she's talking about percentage versus total with lean body mass. She wasn't even bringing up body mass. I know, but let's let's simplify basically what she's asking because to me, even listening, okay, and I know exactly what she's talking about, there's a lot flying over, a lot of people's head right now,
Starting point is 01:24:00 I'm gonna go, what did we just hear? You can, so percentage is just a percentage of your overall body weight. So that means if you are, if you have 90 pounds of lean body mass and you weigh a hundred pounds, it's really easy, right? 10% body fat, 90% lean body mass. If you lost 10 pounds on the scale,
Starting point is 01:24:19 nine of it was body fat, one was muscle, your percentage of muscle lean body mass goes up a little bit even though you lost a pound of muscle. But that's not that important. You want with lean body mass as the total number. Now the point that was important to pay attention to was she said to maintain this lean body mass, I felt daunting to eat this much food. And yeah, man, listen, building muscle is great, but not at all costs.
Starting point is 01:24:44 Obviously, you could go on a bunch of animal steroids and you can live in a way that's super unhealthy, maximize your muscle, but you're not, this healthy, you don't feel as good. And as expensive as shit, one of the biggest pains in the ass of competing was, man, when I had got up to that place where I was 230 and my metabolism was roaring. I mean, hundreds of dollars a day to eat a thousand calories.
Starting point is 01:25:07 And if you want good choices, you're not just piloting garbage in there like that is expensive. Well, that's the real part of the question I think she was trying to get to was the fact that she was starting to include simple sugars and things into her diet that normally she wouldn't even have been trying to seek out. But the calorie amount was just too much. Next question is Mitchell from Ohio. Hey Mitchell, how can we help you? Yes, so the reason why I reached out to you guys is having some muscle imbalances,
Starting point is 01:25:37 and the reason why was I was a football player at a D1 school, I was a punter, and so through that repetitive actions I led to some hypertrophies on my right side you know compared to my left just through all those repetitive actions and I know a lot about it just because I actually did as I graduated college I then went into the personal training and chiropractic field so I'm now a chiroractor and I use a lot of what I've learned from you guys and what I've learned through school to better my knowledge.
Starting point is 01:26:12 So I was just the reason why I was emailing you guys was just see what you guys had to say about that. Okay, so I did recently email or a purchase anabolic. And I love that. I've actually seen really really good You know well-tremendous results just because I haven't used that kind of programming since college and the reason why is I don't really want to You know strengthen my imbalances even more with that program. Yeah, no, yeah I'd move you to performance. That's the wrong program. Yeah, performance would be more ideal Yeah, I'm absent of box to be wrong for you because so barbell focused and if you have a big
Starting point is 01:26:46 A wrong sounds hell of bad. Well, well, what I mean is it's not the ideal Program right well, I mean if you have big I saw I look I've trained athletes It because everybody's got a difference between the right and left. Okay, that's that's super common But I've trained athletes where the difference was so stark It was actually quite remarkable. I've trained pictures where I've seen this, I've trained baseball players, I've trained soccer players where I've seen even some of this, in your case I could see why one side
Starting point is 01:27:12 would be so much easier. Every player's one side. Yeah, so, but this could be pretty big if you're an athlete and you train like that, like it could be pretty big. So, what I would do is I would do all unilateral work and I would make the weaker side dictate the weight and the reps, that's it. So that means you're gonna go easier on your strong side
Starting point is 01:27:29 for a while until the weaker side catches up. Split stances are gonna be your friend too. Yeah, because if you push the barbell, you know, two sides at the same time exercises and push the weight, you're not gonna catch up. You're gonna continue to have this disparity. It may take you, depending on how long you played that that sport might take you a year of just unilateral work, focusing on the weak side first before you start to balance yourself out.
Starting point is 01:27:53 Even more specific for a client, I would look single-leg dead list for you all day, man. We're spending a lot of time doing that for sure to try and bow. And just like Sal said, we're doing the opposite side first. And this is another person that, okay, so you know a lot of work like crazy, a lot of stability stuff, multi-planar movements, which is in performance. So performance is the pro. Yeah, it's gonna be like the most impactful for you,
Starting point is 01:28:15 I think I would even almost jump you right into phase two to address a lot of these imbalances and see, you know how you respond and how your body is able to stabilize even properly. You could also add this, so if you don't have Prime Pro, I would get that. What I would do is I would do all the tests in there, on the major joints, and compare the left to the right. The side that is less mobile, I would make effort to spend time before workouts and throughout the day of addressing the immobility of that once again, more
Starting point is 01:28:51 and likely there's going to be a major discrepancy from left to right for you. And so that's what I'm looking for. I'm going to go down all those, I'm going to go down all the major joints. And I'm going to probably pick two or three of the greatest offender. So the ones were the greatest discrepancy between left and right mobility, and that is now gonna become something that I try and do, at least two, three times a day, certainly before I lift,
Starting point is 01:29:14 and then focusing primarily on unilateral training. Those things should do wonders for you if you focus your training around that. Awesome, thank you guys. No problem, Mitchell, thanks for calling. I remember the first time this happened. No problem, Mitchell. Thanks for calling. I remember the first time this happened. I mean, I had a client.
Starting point is 01:29:27 This was a kid who was a remarkable high school pitcher. I mean, he's kid through some serious heat, but he'd been pitching since he was a kid. And his dad said, hey, he's a little unbalanced between his right and left. I had him do, he walks in and I could see it, like just him walking. I didn't assessment. I was like, wow, this is huge imbalance. Now, he was still playing baseball, so I couldn't attack it super aggressively
Starting point is 01:29:49 because I don't want to mess up his technique. He eventually stopped playing, and that's all we did. And it took a year to see some actual balance. This is the danger, too, of specializing too early with kids. They really don't. Well, their bones actually don't have that effect.
Starting point is 01:30:02 Especially with something like a pitcher, right? So you only have so many throws. And so to make sure that you get a lot of variety and a lot of different exposure to different movements is even more essential for kids. But like to his point, really to be able to isolate both sides and work your way through that, it's gonna be massively beneficial.
Starting point is 01:30:23 I would say punting's right up there. I mean, punting's gonna be really close to pitching the same basically, same, there's the lower body version. Yeah, that's right. I mean, and you're planting so hard on one side always on that side. So he's gonna be really strong on that plant foot. He's gonna have crazy mobility in the case.
Starting point is 01:30:38 Because at least soccer, you're switching it up. Yeah, exactly. Soccer, you're getting a little bit of a balance back and forth, but pitching and a punter, like, I'm trying to think of what else is like that. That's, that, that, that, that, that, Dude, you know, they've done... Bollars. And because remember, your, your body is trying to get better
Starting point is 01:30:53 at what you do. And this can be, this can get extreme. You know that they've actually dug up bones in England and other parts of Europe. And they can tell by looking at the spine and the humorous bones that they were long-bowmen. Now, a long bow is this huge long bow required like 180 pounds of pulling power.
Starting point is 01:31:11 It was like made you a dominant force during medieval times. And they would look at the spines and they were molded and twisted. You see a big scapula and a big humorous, someone's eyes. You're like, humorous into this twisted position. Yeah, and it's because their bodies became good at this one-sided type of thought, which is okay for sports, but when you're done playing sports, now you're moving weird.
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