Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1581: How to Make Gains While Cutting, Using a Rowing Machine in Lieu of Lifting, the Value of Saunas & More

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether you can still progress in lifts while cutting, if a rowing machine can preserve muscle mass when not lifting, the value of saunas, and things within the fitness realm that they recently changed their mind about. How the guys have set up ‘Mello’ stations at their houses. (4:19) Mind Pump Reminiscences: The anniversary of the ‘OJ Chase’ on TV. (6:35) Mind Pump Recommends, Sweet Tooth on Netflix. (14:15) Andre the Giant is a fascinating fellow. (17:22) All things Bulldogs. (25:04) Justin’s new theory on the Loch ness monster. (31:09) The more handsome you are, the smaller your testicles? (34:50) An alarming report on unemployment scams. (39:12) How the economy is balancing itself out and the psychological strategy of the ‘turn over’. (40:42) The brilliance of Organifi’s customer service model. (49:08) Amazon and marijuana. (52:12) #Quah question #1 - Can you still progress in lifts while cutting? (55:15) #Quah question #2 – Will a rowing machine preserve my muscle mass while I can’t lift? (59:55) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on saunas? (1:04:46) #Quah question #4 – What's something within the fitness realm that you recently changed your mind on? (1:08:39) Related Links/Products Mentioned June Promotion: MAPS Prime, Prime Pro, and the Prime Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “JUNEPRIME” at checkout** Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! 95 Million Watched the Chase - The New York Times Sweet Tooth | Netflix Official Site Andre the Giant's Amazing Feats of Drinking Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling Sexual ornaments but not weapons trade off against testes size in primates Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships Half of the pandemic's unemployment money may have been stolen by criminals and funneled out of the country U.S. retail sales take step back as spending pivots to services, trend remains strong Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* Amazon Will Stop Testing Job Seekers For Marijuana And Now Backs Legalizing Weed Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Sauna Use Associated with Reduced Risk of Cardiac, All-Cause Mortality Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Max Schmarzo (ATC/CSCS/MS) (@strong_by_science)  Instagram Dr. Rhonda Patrick (@foundmyfitness)  Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. All right, so in today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions, but that's the back part of the episode. We actually open with a 45 minute intro portion, what we talk about current events.

We bring up scientific studies. We have fun conversation. So if you're here just for the fitness, you're gonna want to fast forward about 45 minutes when we get into the fitness stuff. But if you're here for the entertainment part as well, start at the beginning. Give it a try.

All right, so here's what went down in today's podcast. We open up by talking about mellow. This is a supplement from the company Ned. It actually works really really well. It has GABA and specific forms of magnesium that cross the blood brain barrier. Stuff is pretty amazing. Adam actually drank it with his coffee to balance it out.

Go check them out, head over to helloneds.com, that's H-E-L-L-O-N-E-D.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code mine pump for 15% off. Then we talk about how today is the anniversary of O.J. Simpson running away from the cops in his white Bronco. It's the most viewed thing ever on TV, it's crazy. Then we talked about the show on the series

on Netflix called Sweet Tooth, which is pretty cool. Then we talked about Andre the Giant and one of the world records that he holds to this day. Then we talked about Bulldogs, Adam owns Bulldogs and loves them and so we talked about what it's like owning them and all the stuff that goes around that. Then we talked about Loch Ness Monster and Whale Penises.

Believe it or not, there's a connection there. There's a correlation there. Then I talked about a scientific study that shows that the more handsome you are, the smaller your testicles are. I've swore to God, this is a real scientific study. Then we talked about unemployment scams. It looks like there's foreign actors actually stealing unemployment benefits here in the US. Then we talked about how retail sales are declining while travel sales are improving or increasing. And then we talked about organify, another company that we work with, they make plant-based supplements.

One of our favorites is pure, it's a newtropic. Another one is move, which is really good for inflammation and joint health. By the way, right now, if you buy one bottle of move, you get one bottle for free. Go check them out, head over to organifi.com, that's ORGA and IFI.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code mine pump for 20% off.

And then we talked about the company Amazon and marijuana. There's a connection there. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know if you can still progress in your lifts while cutting your calories. The next question is person wants to know if a rowing machine will preserve muscle mass while they can't lift. The next question, this person wants to know what we think about sauna's, what's their value. And the final question,

this person wants to know if there's anything that we've changed our mind on recently that has to do with fitness. Also, all month long, we are running a sale on Maps Prime, Maps Prime Pro, and our Prime Bundle. Those are all 50% off. Head over to mapsfitnessproducts.com to learn more or to just sign up. Just make sure you use the code June Prime with no space for that 50% off discount. Teacher time and it's teacher time. Oh shit, you know, it's my favorite time of the week. We have three winners this week, two for Apple Podcasts, one for Facebook, the Apple podcast winners are MDJD 2010 and Kirby's 19 for Facebook. We have Trevo Bringerst. All three of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address.

And we'll get that shirt right out to you. By the way, your odds of winning a shirt by leaving us a five star review are really, really good and these shirts are high quality. So if you go over to iTunes, leave a five star review, write something nice. If we pick you, we will mail you a amazing mind pump t-shirt. I can talk about the mellow all day long because of the results I've been feeling from that. I just... Have you tried taking it during the day? I haven't done during the day. I have done like earlier in the evening,

like on a weekend when I'm like, I don't need to go to sleep, I just want to kind of chill. Totally works. Yeah, no, it's... I'm blown away by how it makes me sleep. I don't know if it's effective. You guys the same way,

but this is like no bullshit, no commercial talk. Like it's literally, I drink it every, I, this is how serious it is about it. I bought outside of what we have here, right? So I bought my own two boxes, and I set up in my master bedroom. I got those little, the small water bottles because they mix well, and that's all you need.

And so I literally have like 60 water bottles on the dresser inside there, and then I have the whole set up. You have a Ned Mellow station. I do. We have a Mellow station. And so it's right next to the couch. So before we put the kids to sleep

and then we spend time together just chilling, like we'll both take a mellow and it's just been game-changing. I'm not serious about it. I'll take a picture of what my set up on it. No, it's legit. It's just like we must be deficient. You know, that's bottom line. I've been telling you guys for years, you guys are deficient. You know what? Try this. If you guys want to have some, I see you drinking a black, cold brew,

nitro coffee. Yeah. Have it. My other favorite. Have it with some coffee. Oh, that's like, oh, it don't mix it in the coffee. No, I know, of course I'll choose to. So have it first, then drink a strong cup of coffee, and it'll be like just being normal. No, no, no, it doesn't work like that. No, it's, and of course take your Theonine, it's really nice. I kind of want to do that right now. I mean, I'll give it a try.

I mean, I definitely tried your Theonine at addition to the coffee, and that was a great way to extend that caffeine. It makes it last longer. It's not too high. Smooth, it's sharp, it's a wonderful combination. I will try that. I wouldn't have thought that actually makes me want to try it.

Doug, you're getting up to go get me one. Is that what you're doing? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. What are you gonna mix it all? No, just give me some water and- You're gonna dry scoop it. I heard that I'll kill you.

Yeah, I don't know what it's like. I heard the dry scooping is the problem. You had the tight pot. Rest in peace, mind pump at him. Did you guys know that today is the anniversary, as of the recording of the show, right? We released the show later on, but it's the anniversary of the OJ Chase on TV.

Oh, it is. What year? What year? 1994. Wow. I'm almost positive TV. Oh, it is. What year? What year? 1994. Wow. I'm almost positive. Let me look it up. 1994, I still believe. Why does that not seem like that long ago? Am I tripping? Am I tripping?

Was it longer than that? No, no, that sounds right, because I remember. 1994. Yeah. It was June 17th, changed the association with white Broncos forever. Okay, so do you guys remember, I think almost everybody who was old enough to pay attention,

do you guys remember what you were doing when this happened? I mean, we were all pretty young, were I freshmen? No, no, no, no. Where I was, but I definitely remember watching it at my friend's house. Yeah, I was seventh grade, seventh grade,

and I was at my house. We had, we had those at a Magnavox TV, the 32 inch that's in the wood, and this is like remarkably descriptive. Big old. Well, I remember. I knew you'd won, right? Like those heavy ones? Yeah, this is like remarkably descriptive. Big ol' one. Well, I remember. Tube one, right? Like those heavy ones?

Yeah, it was sat on the floor, it had the wood sides and everything like that. Oh, that one. Yeah, weighed like 900 pounds for a TV. The TV's the only newt is much 32 inch TV. This is why we're so weak now, by the way. TV's are light. And then, yeah, then you're always the friend

that has to move your friend from one stupid apartment to another and then they have that ridiculous TV. We actually, I think the last, the dying of that, right? My buddy had the 30-inch, 36-inch I think is the biggest tube TV's ever got, right? And he had one of those, super heavy. And he lived on the third floor. Oh.

And he was just, I remember holding those with the tips of my fingers. Yeah, because it wasn't like they had handles. No, there was nowhere to grab it. And they were odd the way the weight was distributed. I feel like they made them out of cast iron, you know, I don't know, like they're so heavy. It's like lead in search of the YouTube audience

right here that you guys can see. And by the, show the color. Look how nice this looks. Yes, it's lavender. That's my favorite flavor too, lavender. Actually, I like the regular. No, the unflaver. I like the flavor.

I like, I like lavender. I mean, I like the flavor. I like the flavor. I like the flavor. I like the flavor. I mean, actually tastes good. So let me know how chill I am by the end of this podcast. Watch what happens, everybody. By the end of the podcast, you should be saying smart stuff. Yeah, finally.

So, I don't think it's a cognitive disease, does it? Yeah. Well, caffeine plus that. Yeah, oh, yeah. You'll have some increased verbal fluency, for sure. So, did you guys know that the OJ chase, right? That word, this is the anniversary of yeah, it's the most in history What watched televised event ever still to this day? More so than like the moon anything landing 95 million people watch that watch every minute of that. Yes And I did not know that till this day. It's the most watch. Wasn't after that, was after that cops,

the show was cops before that, because I remember that was like huge. Cops before that. Cops are on a long time. Yeah, yeah, cops are on a long time. Yeah, because people have been super fascinated with car chases and you know, like busting people. So OJ, not going to jail, was pretty remarkable because,

I mean, there's more of the case in this, but let's just, okay, his ex, like his wife, was found murdered with her lover that she was cheating on OJ with, so they're both murdered. Right. The cops go to OJ and instead of being like,

what's going on? He gets in his bronco and takes off. It takes off. Yeah. It doesn't look guilty at all. Yeah. They're doing that for miles. Helicopters are filming this and we're all glued to our TV. Like, what is going on right now? Oh, Jay is on and he's a massive like star. I mean, he was, you know, just from his time in the NFL, but also like making gun. Yeah. He was making his TV rounds.

The most gangster move of all is writing a book. If I did it, if I did it, this is how I do it. Oh my God. Bro. Hey, do you remember his, I actually, that's been on my list to read for, I have forever and I've never,

I have never had such a thing. I don't want to give a mind. Yeah. Because he gets money if you buy that shit. That's the thing. So his, obviously his lawyer, one of his lawyers was the you know Kim Kardashian's dad That's how they got famous and all stuff right? Oh, Jay's he was good. They were they were family friends. Yes. Yeah They're close family friends, but do you remember his other lawyer was named Johnny Carcress?

Is that it yeah, and he's like if the glove don't fit You must quit yeah cuz cuz he's like like he couldn't put the glove on but come on He was even trying bro. Come, because he was like, he couldn't put the glove on, but come on, he was even trying, bro. Come on, he was even pulling it hard. I remember that was a definitive part of the case where the jury's just like, oh, yeah. I guess if the glove doesn't fit, we must have quit. That must happen.

That's the first time. What a crazy time that was. But I don't know that. It was the most I looked this up yesterday. Actually, look it up, I saw an article. That's a fascinating fact. 95 million Americans were glued to the telephone. Now, when you looked it up,

did it give a list of like the top five or other ones that are closed? Because I don't even know. There was literally an article about that. Be interesting to speculate what you think are the most watched. And this is, yeah, obviously this was United States. You know, obviously, yeah, it was an international

like news. I don't think, I mean, it was, but I don't know if in the 90s or more. I just wonder if other countries were paying attention to. Yeah, I think they were. I think it was international. It was like a big deal. Yeah, our news, our big news usually does make it overseas. Well, especially if it's celebrity, right?

Right, so I think that's sad too, because he was a badass in the NFL. A badass, dude. Yeah. He was wearing a tech mobile. A badass, dude. Yeah. The orange juice is in a press. He was wearing a tech mobile. I mean, the orange juice is in a press. I don't think it changes that.

I mean, he still is. No, yeah. Yeah, we can't, that's why you don't worship the athletes. You're right. You're right. You know, in bodybuilding. You know, in bodybuilding, this is not that, most people even know who I'm about to talk about,

but there was a bodybuilder that I was a big fan of, mainly because I heard about him in Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia Bodybuilder, which by the way, I don't think you can see this on camera. My original, I don't know if Doug, you could somehow maybe take a picture of this so people can see it. Well, when he does the big pan, I think you can see it in there. So, my original Arnold Schwarzenegger Encyclopedia Bodybuilding is in here right now, and it's like wrapped in tape because I've read that thing 500 million times times anyway in that blood sweat and semen on that in no

semen oh yeah I've just said I don't know it's pretty tarnished dude that's not why I've read a lot of time spent with it yeah no that's not exactly what we're just I think there was some sticky pages. No, I learned from the book. Everybody calm down. Back in those days, all I, it was the Sears catalog, the bra section, that's what I used. Anyway, in that, there was the shoulder workout section,

and he had a bodybuilder, by the, it was an English bodybuilder from the UK, Black Guy, Burdell Fox, and he was just, this, he was the, that's a cool name. He was a, a masser from the UK Black guy, Bertel Fox, and he was just, this, he was a cool name. He was a mass monster of the era. Like he was just bigger than everybody else back then. And remember, this is back in the 70s and early 80s when they weren't using the crazy drugs

that they were using now. And I was a huge fan of this guy, big old crazy looking Dell, so anyways, guy went to jail for murdering his wife and someone, like he shot them with a shotgun where he's in jail right now. From doing all that. So it's kind of like one of those.

I'd like someone, but you don't realize, especially when your kid, just because they're good at one thing, doesn't mean that they're a good person. Yeah, there's so many examples of that. Yeah, obviously he was a bad person. Hey, I started to watch your long-mire show. Oh, you did, what'd you think? It's good.

Yeah, I really like it. So have you ever seen justified? Oh, yeah, I have. I love that show too. Okay. Yeah, because it's it reminds me that yeah It was recommended with that and another one that I really oh and the one with Kevin Costner I forget the yellows. Yellowstone. Yeah, both those are really good. So if you like long Myer, you'll really like those. Yeah, and it's got that kind of cowboy feel to it But I just like that it's you know, it's like a rugged manly guy, but he's like, he's got a good heart. Yeah, it's a lot of integrity, right?

Yeah, you don't see a lot of these characters anymore. What's the song? What platform? It's on Netflix. Oh, or I'll check it out. You know what I did check out was Sweet Tooth. Remember we talked about it last time? Why did two? Okay.

Actually interesting. Yeah. Right? How many episodes in are you? I'm about three episodes in, so. It's actually interesting. Yeah. So the trailer, it doesn't many episodes in are you? I'm about three episodes in so it's actually interesting. Yeah So the the trailer it doesn't really kind of give you a breakdown of what's going on Tell me on it. It's actually pretty smart. It's pretty smart the way they did it And it's it's actually compelling and there's some pretty interesting stuff It's interesting that okay

It's mainly because of like us going through the pandemic and everything Yes, they kind of there's sort of parallels there and that they're portraying with it, but like in a unique way. You know, it's funny. So there's been movies on pandemics in the past. It's like a common theme with sci-fi or whatever. Yeah. But now, doesn't it feel different to see stuff like that?

Oh, it totally does. Yeah, like I'm watching, I'm like, oh man. Yeah, that could happen. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, again, it's got that element of fantasy in it because obviously these like human animal hybrid things that it makes a kind of a different twist to the whole event. I haven't got to the part where they explain why that's like,

why that was like a big part of everything that happened. But it's interesting. Did you guys see too, ever since we've been talking about this whole celebrity boxing thing, like how much that's ramping up right now They did like talk stars versus YouTube star They're doing that I saw Good beat the shit out of each other and some post them somebody told me Eddie Hall and not Robert Overs But another no strong men are are supposed to be fighting beyond

What's the? The the the Game of Thrones. I think he's he already has. Now did you guys know that he's already done fights though. The what the what's his name again? The Game of Thrones guy. Yeah, he's already done fights. And Eddie Hall I think already has done a fight or two.

I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. Oh, I did. Did you guys know they were fighting each other? I think yeah. Well, they've now said a long time ago.

And then I think they got a warm up fight in between. And so I think they're like, now we're gonna face each other. If you wanna see where this could potentially go, look at some of the off pride fights that you saw in Japan or look at Russian, I'll do in quotations here, MMA type fights, they're wild. Like the old pride fights in Japan,

they would often do this like tiny guy versus a sumo wrestler. Or a name's haptower. Yeah, haptower, I think. A giant versus someone else. In Russia, it seemed more worse. They'll have like five versus five. That's so cool. In a ring, or they'll do like three girls versus one guy,

or they'll do armor and swords. Armor and swords. That one trips me out. They're lily hacking on each other with swords. I mean, they're dull blaze, but it's like metal. Bro, I saw one where the guy was using the shield. He knocked the guy down with a sword, the guy's on the ground, and he takes the shield and fucks the guy up.

What the shield I favorite was, so they're fighting on different platforms. Yeah, so the guy climbs up on a platform jumps off and, yeah. Yeah, they even, they're like, guys on the bottom, like, trying to punch up at this guy. I think in Russia, they take, they take alphaness and they just go a little too far with it. They just go way too far.

They're all in. That's too far, they're just tough. Yeah, speaking of tough and crazy, Andre the Giant, right? You guys know him, I'm not Andre the Giant. Of course. So for the listeners, don't know, or viewers don't know, he was one of the most popular pro wrestlers of all time,

massive monster of a guy, huge guy. But what's interesting about this guy are some of the interesting things that he would do when he wasn't in the ring. Did you guys know that he holds the world record for drinking beer? Yeah, at what time? Yeah, I remember listening in that documentary with, like, he could do, basically, like, a couple of cases of beer was just like one beer for him.

Okay, so he had this incredible ability to tolerate alcohol. It was just insane for some reason. So check this out. It's the world record for the largest number of beers consumed in a single sitting. So he drank 12 ounce bottles of beer, so regular beers. Yeah. In six hours, he drank 119.

What? By himself. What? That'll kill somebody. 119 beers by himself. Yeah. Bro, you know how crazy that is? Yes, I know. We used to play the century game. Did you guys ever play the century game?

Where you do a shot of beer every one minute every minute. So you make it we back then was cassettes Okay, so we made a cassette tape that what at every one minute at every one minute mark yet nobody finished the game Ever and these are shots there. Yeah a shot one ounce one ounce of beer every minute for a hundred minutes and people would just get throw up. Oh yeah you're throwing your throwing most people I mean every once in a while that was the the game was who's left standing yeah exactly who who stayed all the way in and made it to the hundred and I mean every once in a while you hear some story of the drink. Well that's why I'm born away right now because I remember playing that game several times when we were kids and I always around like 80, 80,

or 90 shots, I was puking my brains out by that time. So to think that somebody crushed, you know, a hundred, what, almost a hundred times that, right, that's crazy. Oh yeah. That's so. All by himself. Wow.

It doesn't even make sense if you do the ratio of a size. So even if you do like, okay, right, it still doesn't make sense. Because he's like, it basically like two big guys like combined. And two big guys couldn't do that. 10 big guys would have a tough time with that. Exactly. You know, so it's like he's got like a super liver or something. Yeah, did you were reading some random shit last?

You know what? So, I love it. Where do these articles come from? When I find stuff like this. Yeah, good articles come from? When I find stuff like this. Yeah, good stuff right now. When I find stuff like this, I always get very interested. I always think like, oh, this will be cool thing to bring up on the show.

Andre the Giant's just fascinating. I tell you, I encourage people to look them up. The stories around them, you know, when they interviewed, what's the name? Hulk Hogan. Oh yeah. About Andre the Giant. Now remember, Hulk Hogan is a big dude.

He's not a small dude. Like if he walks in the room, he's a giant., eight, or six, nine, and he's much bigger than all of us. I don't know if he's that big. No, he is. He's a really six, seven, or six, eight. He does look a big, tall Hulk Hogan. And he's like super filled out, obviously.

He's a monster, right? And he says that when he would like spar with, because remember pro wrestling is scripted in the sense that you know who's gonna win Yeah, but the moves are real. They're throwing you. Yeah, they're hitting you And if they're a little irritated and this is true and in pro wrestling This is a something nice to love to read about in pro wrestling if a guy's a little irritated with you or annoyed Even if he's supposed to lose he's gonna put a little more hurt on you put some her He'll slap you like real hard. Yeah, and it's just part of the sport.

Well, the whole Kogan said that with, does it say how tall he was? Six six. So he's a big dude. Oh, he's a big dude. Whole Kogan said that, Andre the Giant was a very kind, nice guy. He says, but one time he was teasing him

and he did this move where, you know, they do that move with their forearm on your back. And he says that Andre the Giant hit him with just a on your back. And he says that under the giant hit him with just a little extra force. And not even that hard, like his hardest. And he says, I realized in that moment that he could literally break my back if he felt like he could, like he just could have killed me.

If you wanted to. Didn't he finally like let him or allow him to pick him up to finally win, which I remember him talking about that. They had to talk him into it. Yeah, they'd talk a minute because it was just like, he didn't know if he could do it. He's like, I don't know if I could lift this guy and even hold him. It was just like so much weight.

This was one of the biggest matches in pro wrestling. So do you know that he was also, he's actually technically he's one of the better wrestlers of all time too. So in Bret Hart's book, right, he talked about the Andre the Giant. Oh, yeah, he did it for a long time. Yeah, they talk about, like he looks like this big, you know, clumsy lumbering giant, but he actually has technique as far as how,

because there's a lot of like unsaid etiquette like you're talking about like, you know, when you hit it, It can make a move hurt or not. Yeah, that's right, right. And where you can just be bad at your craft and you hurt guys a lot. And there's guys that are known for that

and people who like refused to wrestle with other dudes. And so there's a lot of that going on behind the scenes. And supposedly he was like supposed to be like one of the more technical wrestlers of all times. You guys, how good he was. Have you guys heard the story about Hulk Hogan and how he, when he wanted to get in pro wrestling? There was like this famous Japanese pro wrestling school

and he wanted to learn there. And but he went in all cocky. Have you guys ever heard the story? No, yeah. So he went in there and he wanted to learn there and but he went in all cocky Have you guys ever heard the story? Yeah, so he went in there and he's a obviously a whole Cogin's a huge guy And he goes in and it's just like you know, Japanese school for pro wrestling and he's obviously bigger than everybody in there And he says he went in there all cocky like oh no I'm gonna be the best pro wrestler of all time and not showing respect to them or whatever. And he says that the Japanese instructor broke his ankle. Like basically got him an ankle lock and broke it. And so then Hulk Hogan, he got humbled and like came back.

He came back with a cast and he apologized, was very respectful. And then he was able to learn all the skills and stuff. It's a very interesting world. I don't know if it's like this anymore, but back in those days, there was a lot of tradition and, you know, like sumo wrestling. I don't know if you guys ever heard about sumo wrestling, but there's lots of tradition. I mean, it looked into, and I believe they made a documentary

and maybe Doug can look up the title of Brett Hart's book. It's, I mean, it's a, it's like a Bible. And it's like, and they're a famous family, right? Well, they're the originate. They originated in Canada in their dad's basement. Wow. And so they're, they're so it goes way back to them. And he's part of the original group of, what is it Doug?

Yeah, there's the documentary right there. Brett Hitman Heart. I don't know if that's the name. Yeah, that's it. So 365 days of wrestling, is that what it was? No, that's not it. The book, I'll take a picture and I'll share with the audience. Okay.

And I'll share with you guys. It was a really, really good book, but it gets into all this, but it talks about the origin story of how it all started and his dad's basement and stuff like that. Did you guys ever, have you guys ever met some of these pro wrestlers after they retire? And you ever meet these guys? I've seen them, but I would never hung out. Bro, they're broken. They're all broken and I met the iron chic

and he was like, he could barely move and he was saying him, like in person, it was show or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met him. This was way after, right, when he was done. Yeah, and he was at a fitness convention. But I mean, these guys break and destroy their bodies. Well, what was it, the wrestler with,

I forget the name of that. Mickey Rork. Mickey Rork was very accurate. I felt like that, yeah, depicted it pretty well in terms of him being in constant pain, but also still trying their best to like keep it going and still like do shows. Now, were you guys a bigger Hulk Hogan fan

or ultimate warrior? Ultimate warrior. Yeah, me too. I was Hulk in it. You were a Hulk in it. That's a heavy guy. All American. I like Hulk in too though, but I was like a big ultimate warrior.

Yeah, I just, because ultimate warrior, I mean, he was cool. Yeah, he was really cool, but yeah. It was him and like junkyard dog and you know all those guys. Yeah. The British Bulldog, I liked him too, because he was all super jacked away. That was the first time I ever like started

watching Slarner the Bulldog. I remember that was like the first time I'd seen one and I like I wanted one because he was all super jacked. That was the first time I were like starting to want to slaughter the bulldog. I remember that was like the first time I'd seen one and I like I wanted one when I was little and then it was when, what was the name of the show with Robin Bigg when Robin Bigg came out and he had his little meaty bulldog. Oh, that's what he wanted. He's came for me.

Yeah, the two of those, I was a British bulldog fan as a wrestler. So I always loved him, loved him as a wrestler and then loved that he had a bulldog And then later on it was the Robin big when I saw this personality now before you had your your like Adams It would be like razor remote. Oh No, no, no, no, no, he's what's his name? Bro ravaged you don't know that's

Rick that's there it is. Yeah, it goes out to the ring He's got the pink leotard with the lips on the butt. And he, remember, he would bring your girl out of the audience? And just like, make out with it. That was you, dude. That's so great. Ravish, you recruit. I forgot about him.

I'll hand some in to you, I mean. Hey, so before you had your Bulldogs, did you know the work involved with, because they're very, I did. So I, so you did all the research. I did it, yeah, I bought a book on, I bought a book on just dogs in general Then I bought a bulldog book read all about them before and the so the first original selling point was watching the personality

Of you know their meaty the bulldog that's on Robin big so that was what I first like oh my god their personalities are so cool This I mean I wonder all like this and then I went and bought a book and started reading up on them. And the selling point for me was at that time, I had my condo. So I had this like, you know, 1700 square foot, three bedroom, two bath, you know, townhouse that I lived in. And, you know, up in that point, I had dogs growing up, but never as an adult having my own place. And I'm like, I don't want to, you know, I don't want like a lab or like a whymarion

or like a big outdoor run around dog, and I have a townhouse, so I'll feel terrible, right? So I started looking up dogs that didn't need a lot of exercise and that was like the key thing about bull. I think your number one in that. They are, they're like as far as like their activity level is extremely low. And I'm like, oh, this is perfect.

The dog that just wants to sleep and be lazy will be, which is kind of ironic being a fitness guy, right? I think matches my personality at home. I think one of us was talking about this the other day. Oh, yeah. Off air. Yeah, you're very chill at home. Yeah, I'm very different at home than I have ever been at work.

You know, I've always been talking and going. And then when I get home, I'm like, all quiet. And chill, watch TV, do nothing to have a deal. But they require a lot of work with like diet, medical stuff. Yeah, so they tend to have a lot of ear and nose and breathing and, you know, tail. Now is it true that a female bulldog can't give birth to bulldogs naturally? There has to be intervention or is that a myth? Uh, I think the statistics on it are really high that they'll have a C-section.

I think that's, because the bulldogs' heads are so big, right? Yeah, so I do know that they have C-sections a lot. I don't know, like I have them bred them, so I actually don't know if it's like a mandatory all time. That's a good question. My cousin would be able to answer that who breeds the French bulldogs,

which by the way, did you see that? I show you guys his little, his little ones come on up. I love French bulldogs. Really call that the markings on. Yeah, it's called a Merrill. Merrill, that's a Merrill color. Really cool looking dog. It's such a cool, and he's been working on this

for like two years to get to those genetics. So it's not like that's, you know, he had to breed with this one dog, and then he, and he's paid like crazy money, dude. People were paying like $30,000. What? Yes. A puppy.

That's crazy. Now he's all papered up, right? So they're all, he has, I mean, all their, well, I mean, for $30,000, you probably have to. Yeah, yeah, they're lineage and then on top of that, the rare coloring and art. 30,000? Yeah.

Wow. Especially like, my cousin got him from somebody who like shit gold sells I'm saying yeah, no this Well, I mean you homework for something right? I think most people I mean unless you're like like super rich and famous You you don't just spend 30 grand for it as a pet most people if you spend 30,000 you probably have intentions to Probably breed them yourself. What's it say dog of Hoppa? Yeah, most bulldog breeds cannot give birth naturally.

Most, but it's not all, is that right? Yeah, in general bulldog puppies are often too large for the birth canal. The vagina's too small. Me. So, I have my big heads. I guess so. So it does.

This is a trained veterinary performance C section. Yeah, okay. So I knew they do C sections. I didn't know if it was like every time, or like only when they have multiple. I wonder what point that happened, because I'm sure they weren't C sectioning, yeah, okay. So I knew they do C-sections. I didn't know if it was like every time or like when they only when they have multiple I wonder what point that happened because I'm sure they weren't C-sectioning bulldogs, you know, 50 or 100 years ago So at some point they kept reading them to get bigger heads and to look more You know bulldog-ish and at some point they're like well, we went a little too far

But here we go. We got to do C-sections now everything Yeah, because have you seen? Do you know what American bulldogs are? So American bulldogs. Taller breed. Yeah, that's what bulldogs basically used to look like. If you see like old pictures of bulldogs, they were tall. They were fighting dog or bull baiting is what they used to do with them.

Where they would take a bull, they tie the bull to a stake in the ground. And then they would sick dogs on the bull. And the goal was for the dog to pin the bull on the ground and so they bred bulldogs with the under bite because it allowed the dog to hold onto the nose of the bowl but continue to breathe because the nose is pushed back with the lower jaw push forward. Yeah. Really interesting. Well, and you can see that in their person.

It's really there's I don't know if you said I'm sure Tuggle wore with them. Oh, I was. Yeah, they're so strong. They're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're like a pit once they lock in, once they lock the jaw on something like that, they're not letting go. Hey, and they're fearless too.

Like this, that was one thing that always scared me about with Bentley was notorious for that. Like he would, didn't matter how big the dog was, like he was not intimidated to go to him. I'm like, bro, that thing is like three times your size. He doesn't know. Yeah, he's pumped out. Yeah, calm down.

Yeah, don't give a shit. I had a friend who's chewawa literally killed a rot wiler. Do you ever tell you guys? No. Yes. What? Yes.

What? The rot wiler choked on the chewels. Yeah. Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good. I mean, they think they got a chance. Wow, I don't know how to kill the other dog. It's a joke. they got a chance. Wow, I've got to kill the other guy.

That's right, Luke. It's a joke. We can animals though. So I have this great new theory. Somebody sent me an article and of course this is like humor, satire, whatever. But we were talking about the Loch Ness monster. And so before that, there was a picture that had one picture kind of look like a fish, like the side of a fish, whatever, but then, you know, it doesn't account for some of those pictures you've seen,

where it almost looks like it has like a snout or something that's kind of sticking out, like maybe it's its head. Yeah. And so somebody sent me a picture and it is all of these whales, like basically the underside of them was pointed up and the whale dick was out. And it crumbled. I saw that. Just like that.

It totally looks like all the pictures, the old lock this monsters. I'm like, we figured it out. It's a big whale dick. Wow, how big is a whale dick? It's big. It's gotta be here. I mean, it is.

I didn't look at it. How big is a whale dick? I saw that picture just in time. It's massive. I didn't realize that. I don't think I've ever seen a whale dick before. I mean, it's impressive. I've never been to graduation.

Don't they, isn't that what they make a chapstick out of or something? No. I'm pretty sure they don't make it out of real life. I'm sure they do. I guess they, or lip balm or like lipstick. They use the throw up. You know?

No, okay, so they use whale dick for something, Doug. Find out. They do. It's gonna be a great search history. Yeah, you know, okay, so they use whale dick for something, Doug. Find out. They do. It's gonna be a great search history. Yeah. Oh my god. It's already been tarnished. Look at that thing. That's amazing. That's huge, yeah. I'm sure it's a delicacy somewhere.

Doug, look it up and see what you know. You know on those markets, they're there, they're the goblin. There's a way to get to if you go to Chinese wet market and charge. Yeah, dude. You'll find some. Yes. The frying up some whale dick soup. I you go to Chinese wet market. Yeah, dude. You'll find some. Yes, the frying up some some Whale Dick soup. I'm sure to find over there. Yeah, wow, that's huge. I mean it makes sense whales are huge

You can't have a small that be weird. Yeah, I mean, yeah I just don't think I've ever seen a picture of proportion it. I mean I haven't seen many You guys didn't know I'm almost certain I could be wrong though I've been wrong once or twice or the show. I'm not seeing that. What are you? Did you look at what are whale dicks used for? For probably for impregnating other whales. Yeah, but that won't come up though. No, I've looked it up. I didn't search whale dicks. I searched whale penis since that's more technical. I've like whale dick my pulse. However the whale has a penis average penis length of 2.5 meters.

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How much longer? Almost a meter and a yard almost same? Nope, I'll do a, yeah, we better check on this. This is real easy. Here's what you do. You put three meters. I really want to get a handle on the size of the suit. Two point five meters equals in feet, okay?

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You use yours for chapstick with I mean maybe I got suckered into that That was a chapstick And I was like man my lips are chap It was a good whale dick. I got something for you, bro. It'll cure the chappness. It's been nice and moist. Since we're talking about of genitals,

I read this very interesting article on testicle size and it's correlation to attractiveness. You guys want to hear something weird? I'm very interested in this. So this is in study in primates and they think for sure it applies to humans. So in primates, the more attractive features that the primate has with their face and their body, and again, they're saying this is true for humans too, the smaller the testicles, the less attractive the primate, the larger the testicles. Okay,

so and this by the way says well known, I don't And this, by the way, it's just well known. I don't know this. So I read this article, somebody sent me this order. We're out in the open, so it's not, you know, it's definitely on display. Yeah, but what you're basically saying though, is the uglier you are, the more likely you're gonna have big balls and it's more attractive.

You are more likely you are to have small balls. Correct. Correct. So it says here, so it says, so you guys might know what the explanation is. Yeah, why? Okay, so if guys might know what the explanation is. Yeah, why? Okay, so if you're attractive, then you're probably, you don't need to compete as much to impregnate.

If you're not attractive, you're going to have bigger testicles produce more sperm because you're less likely to get laid. So when you do, you got to shoot a big, you got one chance. You got to shoot more sperm. You got to go all in. So, you know, you know, like Adam's very handsome, right? I mean if we're gonna go by the nature standard. No, but isn't that that's so weird, right? Yeah, I heard you

Was it you who was talking about this? All sort that popular, you know, I don't hear women talking about balls Yeah, they don't do much to you. They're ornamental. Anyways. No, the whole idea of sex at dawn and the multiple partners thing. Oh yeah, the partner. I think it was you who said this,

or I heard you talking to someone about that. Part of the reason why that. That's not my son about it at the back. Was it that? Okay, one of the reasons I fell out of favor was that it just would cause men to be fighting right over each other. Yeah, so the studies will show. I thought this was interesting because studies will show culturally that a society's grow if men, you know, gather

more than one mate that it causes lots of instability because what ends up happening is the you imagine the super attractive, wealthy guy who's established gets in your ugly guy with big girls isn't, you know, getting angry. He's getting angry. Yeah, then the regular dude is like, man, you know, Jeff Bezos got all the girls. I got nothing, right?

So, so societies organize themselves as they grew to monogamy because it promoted peace. And this is one of the prevailing theories, believe it or not. Of course, it's a theory, but studies actually show this to. I think it's a really interesting theory. I never heard that before and I overheard you or somebody you were talking to, bring that up. And I thought, oh, you know, I've never taken it that far.

Like, what if we all adopted this idea that we're all supposed to bang each other? What does that potentially look like? And you're right, it's going to be like the 80-20 rule. The 20% of the super attractive wealthy guys that could take care of all these girls are going to get 80% of the women. And then that means you've got a large population of men that don't have a mate that, and then what do they do in a survival of the fittest type of environment?

You probably get aggressive. Yeah, this is why they think that that's interesting. This is why they think that popular religious and spiritual practices and societies that have flourished encourage monogamy. It was one way to control part of that. The other reason, of course, is, you know, men are much more likely to, I guess, to bounce after they get someone pregnant. You still see that today, right?

If it, nine at a ten times, a single parent is a female. It's because men don't have the same, typically, we don't have the same biological, you know, drive to stick around. And, societally, we don't have the same pressures. In fact, I've, it's so funny. We have this friend whose ex-husband shows up to hang out with the kids twice a week and everybody's like, oh, he's a good dad. You would never hear them say that about a mom that showed up twice a week. So, societal pressures are also not so strong.

And so, monogamy was one way to make sure that the man stuck around to keep, to take care of the, the babe, the kids and haven't grown up and all of it. So it's an important part of, you know, of big fun. Very interesting though. I had never heard that before. Yeah, anyway, something else that's cool. Did you guys, so they did this report on,

so recently we've had lots of unemployment benefits and money going out because of the pandemic and stuff. They did this huge report. It was only something like, kind of scary in shitty. So they estimate, I'm going to read this. I'm going to read this. Well, I'm going to read this. So this is a study that came out and they think they're estimating that criminals may

have stolen as much as half of the unemployment benefits the US has been pumping out over the past year. What? Yes. How's that possible? Well, through lying. Oh, it's like fraud. Fraud, year. What? Yes. How's that possible? Well, through lying. Oh, fraud. Fraud, right?

Half. Yes. Insanely alarming. I'm really ready for this. With the bulk likely ending up in the hands of foreign crime syndicates. What? So because they see all these benefits

are being given out, and because they're so easily, I mean, it's not that hard, I guess, to commit fraud with some of this stuff, and we don't have the resources to check on everything. So foreign crime syndicates are finding ways to get this taxpayer money. And so half is what they're estimating. How crazy is that? How are we going to reconcile this?

We can't just print double now. You can't just keep putting it out. I mean, if you were to ask the government, that would be the strategy. That's so far. That's what I was saying. Just do double next time. 50%. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and the trillion doesn't mean anything anymore. Have you guys noticed that? Yeah. Oh, the budget went up another trillion. Oh, that's only a trillion more than the last time. You know what the money a trillion is? It's insane number. It's a huge number.

Yeah, you can't even spend that in a lifetime. Yeah, no. They don't even care. So it's insane. Yeah. I see retail sales are coming down right now too, so you're starting to see the balance of balancing out of the economy a little bit. Did you know that when we went-

Is that because travel's taken up more? Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. So, if you see this chart right before COVID hits, when COVID hits, you see this massive spike in retail sales. Yeah. Otherwise, at home ordering.

That's right. not doing anything, still getting paid and stuff like that. And they can't go anywhere. So that's just massive spike. And that kind of maintained throughout this last year. And it's never been like that. Typically travel is actually above that. So in hotel and all that,

that's all included in that type of stuff, right? Is higher than the retail. And it's been flipped all year. And then it's been slowly doing this. And then it's for the first time in over a year now, it's kind of leveled back out where travel. I mean, I just think that's such a great bet right now for those that are like looking at stock

and stuff to invest in, I think. Travel, travel, anything related to that. I mean, even like if you, if you're like new companies that do, you know, suitcases and things like that, even if you like, airlines, hotels, and new companies that do, you know, suitcases and things like that, or even like stuff like that, anything that's related to that that is,

I think going to see a nice little spike over the next year because I wonder how Airbnb is gonna share during that period, probably better. Oh yeah, no, I would assume, right? Yeah, people are on the move, so yeah, that's gonna be a viable option You know, so remember that thing I sent you guys that link that you could buy like what was it like a room at MGM in in Las Vegas Yeah, yeah, so these are hotel rooms

So obviously they have casinos over there and they have Vegas has very strict laws against Airbnb in certain areas Obviously to protect their casinos However certain areas, obviously to protect their casinos. However, many of these casinos will sell blocks of rooms. Now, there's a lot that goes into it. You have to pay a huge fees associated with it went up. But the prices went down a lot during the pandemic because so few people were traveling. That would have been a great opportunity, right?

Because I can imagine that- I mean, I looked at it, I ran the numbers and it was okay. It's not as, it's what it's, what was wrong with that? What do you mean? Well, because you, you have the HOAs that you're referring to, we're like a thousand dollars a month. Yeah.

So, I mean, you have a thousand dollars a month, you had a half a million dollar was on the, kind of the lower end for those, those condos or whatever. So you're looking at a mortgage that's, you know, somewhere around 20, $500 a month, and then you got a factor in all your cleaning fees and you got to factor in the $1,000 HOAs. And then the room's only rent for about $180 to $240 a night.

So you do the math, like you need like... You don't have to really fill it up. Yeah, it's got to be, I mean, obviously if it's never empty, then yeah, it's a profitable thing, but you don't want to get into a place that you're going to try and air be and be out when you want a factor in vacancy. Even though vacancy, I imagine in Las Vegas in the heart of downtown. It's probably low when everything's fine. Yeah, our time share is still a thing.

Yeah. I was wondering about that because, you know, that was like a huge push. I don't know, maybe a decade or so ago where everybody and their mother had to have like a time share. I never, did you guys ever get in, did you guys ever have one? My parents have one in there early.

They do. They're like trying to, oh, you know, someday you'll, I'm like, I don't want it. Because you got to pay all the fees and everything in the involvements. Like you're all like at the earn points and all that nonsense. I'm like, I just want to go when I want to go. So have you guys ever gotten a trip or an offer for a super inexpensive trip? But yeah, and you have to go everywhere, sit and listen to one of those things. Yeah, your fast pro shop was trying to be cool.

I've done that one time, I'll never do that again, you know. Oh, so what was it like? Oh, it's awful. I mean, they, not only did they trap you there for a few hours that you have to listen to the lecture, but then the amount of hard closes and TOs you get to get out the door. It's like, yeah, it's like 10 or 15 in a row.

Yeah, hammering your heart, too. You can't just be like, oh, no, thank you, we don't want it. Like, it's like, oh, okay, well, yeah, let me get my manager and then they'll come over here like what could you do? Yeah, they hard club fact, I can't remember so you know when this happened you you were already in sales and stuff So you kind of knew what totally I knew exactly you didn't just tell them like no no, I did I mean that we didn't Into buying or paying but it's it's up there, okay, so to give you kind of an analogy, like it makes like the aggressiveness

of a sales counselor on closeout look like a whoo. Like that's how aggressive. So it's just uncomfortable. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Yeah, and they don't care at all. That's how I think they get, they make you, they hard close so hard, you probably get a lot of people just get pressured and do like, okay, I don't wanna deal with it. Please get muscled. care at all. And that's how I think they get they make use they hard close so hard that you

probably get a lot of people just get pressured and do like okay I don't want to deal with it. Please get muscled. Yeah. There's so many drops they can do and ways they can present it and so and they start at the top and they give you the whole big and then they just and they know how to do it get you down to like give me a number well what you know if it was a number that you would just so it's a hypothetical. You're like it it's not about the price. So like really, what if it was a dollar? Yeah. And would you do it? Exactly. Well, I mean, if it was a dollar, well, so then it is the price. Yeah. They were there like, it's like that. That's an old school. I remember thinking like when I was going through it, like, damn, where were

were you guys at when I was looking for employees to hire? So my cousin did one and he know he knew that they were gonna do this and so he literally the whole time he was just like, I'm just here for the free trip. I'm just here for the free trip. No, you can give it to me for free and I don't want it. I don't care. You could pay me to take it and I don't want it

and you could just kept saying that over and over. Yeah, I mean, I'm obviously there's people that do this. Like I know people that actually will take advantage of those all the time because they're like, fuck it. It's three hours in my day, I just gotta go dedicated. Yeah, cause you'll get like a crazy deal, like a week vacation for a 500 bucks. That's a hard three hours though.

It's not easy three hours to get through. That's what I'm saying. Some people are like, hey, it's worth it if I say, I did it once, I'll never do it. Oh, you did it too? Yeah, where'd you go? I did it. I think it was, it wasn't Palm Desert,

but it was, it was somewhere in my parents. I think it, no, it was in Kauai. And they were trying, for the Mary-Oton, they were trying to hammer you on time shares for that. And it was just like, dude, this is, like I got a nice free trip out of it. I don't wanna like, like I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna keep doing this.

So I just had to keep saying, no, no, no, no, no, the whole way through it. Like there was like a whole table of these guys and they get to make this guy to sit through his pitch and then, okay, if that didn't work, then we're going to bring in this guy over here. And so then you just say they, they teo it like 10 times. You know what? Okay.

So for people that know what a teo is, it literally stands for turnover or take over. And it's a psychological strategy because, and I remember learning this is a, is a salesperson in gyms, when someone says no to you, they haven't said no to someone else. So like if Adam and I, and just, let's say Adam, Justin and I are selling a car, and Adam's the first guy to talk to you,

and you tell him, no, I don't want the car, well that's cool, you said no to him, but you haven't said no to me. That's right. And psychologically, now you logically think, well of course I did, because you're all selling the same car. No, psychologically, you still have to explain yourself

to the new person. That's right. And so it's like a start, it's a turnover. And each guy gets the information from the previous guy. So he has a new angle to present it. So if you did the first guy, you said, like, oh yeah, well, we, you know, those weeks in the year aren't very good for me. I don't have time in my schedule.

Okay, we're gonna get a schedule guy in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna plan for us. And then the next guy comes in. He overcomes that objection. And so, it gets, I mean, I would love to see the statistics on how many people start off by saying no. And then end up saying yes.

And then end up saying yes, because they do. Well, the strategy is like, oh, so I'm sorry, my schedule's really packed. Okay, so if we could figure out the schedule, there's anything else. Is that the only thing that's preventing you from buying, getting started today? Well yeah, it is.

And then okay. Go ahead and get your schedule. I remember when I did my Tom Hopkins mask green the art of the sale. This was actually paid for by 24-hour fitness when I first started. It was like this whole sales training course. Yeah.

And he teaches all these basic techniques and all that stuff. And then I went to go buy a car. And I remember like, it's like someone pulled open the curtain. I was like, oh, you're doing this. This is an alternate advance. This is what's going on. And I remember the guy doing one of these things. A blank piece of paper.

And he goes, okay, so this is the price you'll buy it for. And I said, yeah. and he goes, okay, go ahead and initial right here. Like, what is that? That's not a contract. What he's doing is getting my commitment. So he can go tell his boss, and then come back and say congratulations.

Now, what you guys are so happy? I mean, if I'm in that situation, of course, I'm annoyed like probably many people are. But then I also, I don't get mad because I also know it's their job and their livelihood and I can appreciate it, could sell. So it reminds me when we, remember when we first started working with Organifi and we found out like how good

they were on sales, they have a call. Follow-ups like immediate. Yeah, now the difference is today especially, you can't be as aggressive or too much pressure because reviews now go on the internet. Yeah, so now if you piss someone up, back in the day you go buy a car and the guy hammers you, you might tell a couple of friends,

but now you go online and you screw that. It has to be helpful. They have to be very prompt and on top of it, but it has to still lead with this help. And that's what organify is exceptional. No, they really do a good job. No, I mean, it's an art now. It really is.

Can I be aggressive and bump sell and get a sale out of this but the same time too provides so much value and service that the people after they get off the phone even if they don't buy a little nervous about that in the beginning I remember that. Oh I know I remember our our our private forums always quick to let us know when they don't want something right so I remember that that was like right away we heard stuff like man they are really aggressive with this and and then we went through the process ourselves And I'm like oh man, they're just they're extremely helpful. They fall up on a sale They call you they want you for the first thing they do is like hey

You want to make sure that you are you know if you need any help with how you're using the supplement Do you take it at this time or do you have any questions about it? So they come from a very and the truth is if you look at their reviews They have excellent reviews because more often than not, somebody buying a product likes that much help. They want to know, how do I use this? They're all trained,

so they know exactly all the ingredients and recommendations for all of their products. It's not just like you're talking to a sales rep. No, I actually think it's a big part of what helped them scale, because when I, all of our other friends that we have in the supplement space They're the only ones I know that have a call center team like that that does that and so I'm sure that that that extra Customs huge. Oh, yeah that extra customer service handholding process through people not only that

But I think they even do this. I'm not sure about this But I think they do this where you know if someone bought something that you know is like a 30-day cycle something They they think they do like midway they touch bases if someone bought something that you know is like a 30 day cycle, something they, I think they do like midway, they, they touch bases with that person. And that, it's just, that's no different than like when you, we used to have clients that we had personal train that we knew we had to get them, get them going on their contract in the first like 12 days or something like that. I forget what the statistic was because every, every day or week after that it reduces the likelihood. Yeah, reduces the likelihood of them using it. So, you know, I know they've been trained to like, make sure we get a whole these people,

make sure they're using it properly if they have any questions, just simply to get them to stay consistent with usage because we know if they use it, they'll like to get the benefits of it. That's right. Otherwise they won't. It's true.

I'll give you an example. Like, we talk a lot about, organify pure. This is their type of neutropic. Literally my favorite product. Right. Right. Using it on an empty stomach is a is a total different experience than using it with food. Use it on an empty stomach. You really feel it. Use it with food far more subtle far more mild. Right. So having someone explain that to you because you could be someone that you don't know you buy the product and you have a big ol' ass lunch and then you take it and then you have a little bit of a groggy. Yeah, so you want to be able to know that because it makes that big of a difference if you do it the right way.

Totally. Anyway, more cool stuff. I've found a lot of cool stuff. Shell them out today. So Amazon, right? We've talked a lot about Amazon recently in particular Jeff Bezos and we just recently talked about how much he donated. His wife, by the way, is continuing to donate more.

I think she just gave another billion dollars to somebody. That's amazing. That's pretty crazy. But did you guys know that Amazon has eliminated marijuana from their drug test screening? Really? So if they drug test employees, so they treat, now they said they're treat marijuana like alcohol. In other words, we don't care if you smoke weed, just don't come to work high, just like we don't care if you smoke weed, just don't come to work high. Just like we don't care if you drink alcohol, just don't come to work drunk. But it used to be if they did a drug test and marijuana showed up.

You're gonna be a truck or fire. Not anymore. Now, you have weed, that's all good. Just don't come to work. I mean, that makes sense. Totally makes sense. Yeah, it's interesting though, that they're probably like one of the big examples

of the first company to really roll it out, right? Well, I mean, okay, I'm gonna tread carefully here. You're a tech company, you're highly competitive, you rely on lots of creativity. You're gonna hire people that probably... Chill out after a really high number. You're gonna hire people that probably, you know, have a little bit of life.

Well, what is the statistic on Weed Smokers too now? It's like crazy, huh? It had to have jumped up. Yeah, it's really high. I want to say it's like 50, 50 isn't it? It's like a 50, 50 shot that if you meet somebody that they probably spoke weed or have. Yeah, say that very few people haven't.

I forgot, in fact, I forgot what's, there was a agency in the government. I don't remember what it was. I think it was like this agency that would like counter hackers or something. So it's like this very high tech agency in the government where they're hiring people to prevent hackers from hacking into you know government websites and stuff like that and they couldn't find anybody because everybody failed the weed. Every time they did a drug test they failed weed. And it's like listen, you're

trying to hire highly creative tech, you know, people who are like super day whatever, they're all gonna smoke weed. Like you're not gonna find anybody. Yeah, more than likely it's there. You know, the gold seal market's gonna plummet. Yeah, that much. That's about my best ideas came eye, man. I mean, also some worst life. That's what you get. The next day is really want to evaluate that. Yeah, that's what you get. The next day is really wanna evaluate that. Yeah, that's what you get. That's part of the deal, you know what I'm saying?

So you always have to, like, the next day sober, go like, let me go back and look at all my notes, because I thought it was brilliant last night. We'll find out today if it really was. Yeah, that was a little too, SOT. Yeah, Hawaiian punch flavored ramen. Yeah, that was a, that was a good idea. Put that away.

Yummy. Let's put that away This quas brought to you by Organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from Fylaul Salvador. Can you still progress and lift while cutting? You can, but the more advanced you are,

the more challenging this is. Yeah, the less likely it is. Yeah, so when I would train clients, if they were new, if they were beginners, if they hadn't worked out in a while, then they would always progress in their lifts even while cutting. Because you would see those initial strength gains.

And remember, a lot of the initial lift progress comes from the central nervous system firing better better technique with the lifts not necessarily because you have more muscle, although that contributes to having more muscle. But when you're advanced and you've been working out for a while and you reduce your calories, even if you don't lose muscle, even if you don't lose muscle, just because you have less calories, you're probably going to lose some strength. Or if you're like blessed, you're probably gonna lose some strength or if you're like blessed, you're not gonna go down and strength, but you're not gonna go up and strength,

you're gonna maintain the same. Now because of this theory, this is also why I really like to switch up the programming when I transition into a cut or add in an exercise that I'd like never do and try and get good at it. Like we were just recently on a podcast, we were talking about this, right?

Changing the routine up and so that when you get bored. Like great time, okay, I'm going into a cut. Now I'm gonna learn how to do a wind meal or learn how to do a Turkish get up because you don't have a PR. Yeah, you've never done it before. So you're gonna end up having to reduce and start really, really light.

And so you start off with your 20 pound kettlebell or what if that to do your Turkish get up and you're in a cut. and so you can't really tell the difference, because you've never done a Turkish get up in a bulk, because you've never been here before, and what you see, because it's a new movement, you're learning every week as you get better at it, you actually increase your strength.

And so it's, I like to do this for the mental period. Yes, it's like a mental game that I play with myself that I'm like, okay, if I go to bench press, which I've been doing for two decades, I know what a great day of benching looks like and I can open everything in between, you know, to a horrible day of benching. And so if I'm always paying attention to that lift that I've, I've damn near maxed out my potential head, man. Yeah, I like that advice to, you know, to seek novelty or something else that's going to stimulate, you know, different ways. You could try at least to gain those newbie type of gains and get your muscles to still kind of respond like that because it is really tough. It's really tough when you're cutting calories to have that kind of same drive and performance

in these lifts. So, you know, yeah, I think that's great. This is why I do supersets because if I do a superset, I have to go lighter anyway. So because I'm already going lighter, then I don't necessarily, like Adam said, I don't pay attention so much to the fact that I'm using less weight,

then I kind of get into that mental space of, the weight doesn't matter, it's all about the form and technique, and I'm dieting. But yeah, your calories make a big difference. I'll tell you what, look, I could go on a cut for two months, lose a lot of body fat, get lean, and then I'll tell you what, look, I could go on a cut for two months, lose a lot of body fat, get lean,

and then I could have one high calorie day and I will be stronger the next day. The very next day, I'll go up a lot. I actually just did this recently. I was doing barbell squats, I've been cutting pretty aggressively, I had to drop my squat weight down to, think I dropped down to like 350, and then I had two or three high-calorie days,

405. That's a big difference. That's a 50 pound difference. One thing I didn't want to add though that this isn't a commercial plug for Elemente but basically being so low in carbohydrates and then adding in more sodium has really helped actually to keep a lot of the performance in the gym hires. So that was interesting to me. Sodium is one of the most underrated misunderstood nutrients

when it comes to athletic performance, especially if we eat low carb, especially if you eat a diet that is low and heavily processed foods. You're probably, you will probably benefit from increasing your sodium intake. And you'll notice in the gym right away, element really highlighted that for me too, because I noticed my pumps got way better

and same thing, I got stronger and had better performance. Now we're assuming that we're answering this all that's related to strength, that it just says progress, right? So, it also lifts. Yeah, also keep in mind though, progress and lifts could be you better form and technique. Good point.

So it doesn't point. We always think of like, you know, progressing on the different attributes. Yeah, that's also why I like to shift to a whole other exercise. So I get away from just always thinking about that. It's not the only way to get better. I mean, you can get better in many different ways.

And so, you know, obviously when you're not fueling the body with the max amount of calories and nutrients, you're not going to perform at your highest level. That's just, that's inevitable now. So what a great time to not focus so much on that and focus on something else. Next question is from Lala O'Pri. Will a rowing machine preserve muscle mass while I can't lift? You know what?

Okay. I forgot to bring this up. Glad somebody asked this question. I just got this on my DM. Did you really? Yes. Okay, so you want to go first? Well, I mean, so it wasn't pertaining to the rowing machine It was actually related to like the stairmaster and or sprints I should say and it was somebody who's in a cut for a show right now And she was wanting to add more cardio and what I was trying and I was like well first of all It's kind of a loaded question you're asking me without knowing like all the details of where your calories

and where you're coming from. But you just have to keep in mind that adding more of any cardio of any kind is not advantageous for adding and building or even retaining and holding muscle. So if you're in a caloric deficit and you're leaning out, it doesn't matter what type of cardio you're doing. It's not sending a signal to body to hang on to muscles. So even though, and I know where I people think this is because you're moving. You're moving when you're, and my muscles are burnt,

my arms get sore from the roller, or my legs get sore from the stair master. It feels more anaerobic. Yeah, so they feel like it's kind of like strength training. So does that actually help from losing muscle? It's like, it doesn't matter where your heart rate is at and the way your body is moving is that's the main signal that's being sent there.

And then you're also in a calorie deficit. You're telling the body to pair down. Now I would say if you did like 15, 22nd sprints with a minute rest in between, then that's more like resistance training and more likely to preserve muscle than your traditional steady state. You get more fast switch response that way, which is a different type of operating mode. So that is a potential option, also hit training to with weights is another viable option

that may be a little more muscle preserving. But again, to Adam's point'm just pointing it still cardio. So you got to count it for that type of direction. And it also matters a lot too what's going on with your calorie intake. Oh yeah, that makes a huge difference. So if you are doing something like, most people that are doing cardio are in a cut. So you're in a reduction of calories.

And then you're doing a cardio-based exercise. It's not advantageous for you to have muscle owners. So even if you're doing a cardio-based exercise. It's not advantageous for you to have muscle owners. So even if you're doing, I mean, lifting weights is about the most ultimate, ultimate thing that you can do to preserve muscle. You were just gonna combine optimal and all-tomit. It's the ultimate. You know what I mean though, right?

I mean, so any sort of cardio, I mean, you're and your splitting hairs of comparing rowing to stairmaster to elliptical, it's cardio. Now, here's what I was gonna say, when we first started with this, is I read a study, fascinating study that just highlights how valuable building muscle is

with strength training or with resistance training. So in this study they showed that as little as one ninth of the volume that took to build muscle will preserve muscle. So in other words, whatever you do to build muscle, let's say you're on this training cycle and you gain 10 pounds of lean body mass and you've had the 10 pounds of lean body mass now for a few months and then you reduce your volume by half. You're probably going to keep the muscle with that little volume. So whatever it takes to build muscle is not what it takes to keep muscle. No other form of exercise has this particular attribute.

It doesn't, this is the beauty of, part of the beauty of strength training or resistance training is that it's more permanent in terms of results. Now nothing is permanent, but I don't know anything that's even this close. I don't, you can't do that with, like you can't do a bunch of cardio and then cut it down to half the volume and maintain the same stamina. Or the same calorie burner, what a,

with strength training, you do. You can cut it way down and it's funny. I know this. I've been working out for years and years and years and keeping my muscle now. It's way easy. Well, I just talked about this. Yes.

I was talking about one of the coolest things that I've noticed as I've gotten older is I am the amount of volume and frequency that I'm training right now is unbelievably low. It's some of the lowest as far as like my overall consistency over the last, like let's say, two years or so compared to the previous 18 years, I'm at the lowest ever, but yet my physique, I mean, it doesn't look like what I look like competing, okay, when I was like crazy, but it definitely is way better than it was at my best at 25.

When I was training seven days a week and sometimes doubled, I mean, the amount of training I was doing back then, so it's been really cool to see that after all these years of putting the time out of the iron, with the benefits of that and actually how easy it is to kind of maintain at least a solid base. Yes, I'm not getting on stage,

we know the compete with the best version of myself, but I can maintain a fit muscular physique with very little train. It can be a reasonable. Yeah, very reasonable. Next question is from he, Hannes. What are your thoughts on sonas? Love, love them.

Love them. Sonas, you know, there was a study, there was actually several study that showed that regular sauna use reduced all cause mortality by a significant percentage. It was like 20% or 25% with something like that, like all cause mortality, just from using a sauna. Something that we don't consider is obviously

your body adapts to your environment. For example, if you're very sedatory, you never lift anything heavy, you're gonna lose lots of muscle, lots of strength because your body, you're not exercising those muscles in a way that tells your body, we need this muscle. Okay. Your body's ability to acclimate to temperature,

cold and hot is like a muscle. And if you don't train it, you actually lose this ability because humans, for most of human history, we evolved with radical changes in temperature, just in a single day. Like the more it would be hot during the day, cold in the morning, cold at night. You're forced to adapt to it.

Yeah, now it's like, it's always 70 degrees. Always 70 degrees, am I in my house? No matter what, it doesn't matter how hot or cold it is. Car, everything's regulated. It's always the same and we lose this ability and because we've lost that ability, we actually have health detriment as a result. So sauna, just like with cold therapy,

it's like exercising the body. In fact, you can compare using a sauna to the effects of mild exercise. Actually, we'll show that a 20-minute session of sauna is like doing. I remember mech-shmarzo kind of bringing that up as an example is that it's basically like a very low form of exercise. Yes. That your body's sort of responding to and it's heating up the core temperature and then and of course Dr. Ronda Patrick talks about this whole time in terms of heat shock proteins and then you know the cold Therapy is the cold shock proteins, but so there's lots of benefits to it

Physiologically that you know, we benefit from I I still attribute this as of all the things we've talked about and Experimented with and and brought to this podcast over the last six years And if you go back far enough you've heard me talk about my experience going through the whole hot cold contrast I never trained like this before and I don't remember I think it was right when Wim Hof was getting really popular We were all interested in his content reading and listening to his information and And I actually went and decided to apply it. And I was messing with cryotherapy, ice pass, and then the sauna and doing this hot cold contrast. I was

doing it in my showers since then. And I'm not as consistent as I'd like to be like today, just being completely transparent, right? Although I still do this, I never let like months go by without challenging this where before I went my whole life, I never, I never before the podcast in my 20s or whatever, intentionally went to Asana and then a freezing cold question. I used to make fun of it. Yeah, when people would ask me, what's the benefit of the son of nothing?

You just sweat, don't waste your time. Never did anything. Since then, I've gone on a streak of how little I get sick. It not only do I rarely ever get sick anymore. If I do get sick, it's short-lived, it's not as bad. I used to get sick all the time. And if you guys remember, even when we first started the podcast, I was before I started doing this.

After that, it's never been the same for me. So personally, I'm a massive fan of it. I thought it was the most. They actually have studies on that. They show people who you saw as regularly suffer from common viral infections like the cold at far lower rates. So it's got, I mean, proven immune boosting benefits. I'll tell you what, if you had space in your home and you wanted to invest in a few things

that would have the biggest bang for the buck that invested in terms of your health, you would have a barbell, dumbbells, adjustable bench, and a sauna. Literally. And that sauna having red light therapy attaches would be the most ideal. Yeah, right? Or throw your jive light inside. Yeah, jive light inside. Yeah, some form of it. Next question is from jazz fitness. What's something within their fitness realm that you recently changed your mind on recently? You know, there's a lot of things I've changed my mind on in the last 10 years. Recently, it's hard though, because I think I've been in this for so long that it's hard,

and I've been, you know, I've known about things in fitness and health for so long, and I've studied them for so long that it's kind of hard to surprise me at this point. Not saying that's not gonna happen, I guarantee it will. It's just not like it was 10 years ago, 10 years ago. There were lots of things that were kind of blowing me away. One comes to mind and that's the benefit of walking. I literally used to make fun of this.

If someone told me, oh, I walk every day, I'd be like, well, that's not exercise, that's a total waste of time. Nothing can be further from the truth. Walking is probably the single best activity you can do to improve your movement. So if you want to increase your movement, so if you want to increase your movement

and you think, what should I do? There's strength training, that's king. And then what else should I add to it? And I want to improve my longevity. I want to improve my health. Walk. Just walk several times a day. One of the best things you could do is a 10 minute or 15 minute walk

after breakfast lunch and dinner, which turns into 30 to 45 minutes of walking a day, that has pays back huge dividends in improvements in health. That was something that I totally thought was stupid back in the day. I, most Reese, I mean, like you, I can, there's lots of things over there. Our career that I think I've changed my mind on. The probably the most recent was a few years back

when I did a low carb, no carb type of diet. Up into that point in my life, I thought, one, that's stupid, two, it's not for me, three, I don't think I'll like it at all, four, I don't think I'll see any benefits from it. I saw tremendous benefits from it. And I remember hearing myself on the podcast talking to the guys about thinking it's stupid, I would never do that. I'm eating like 400

to 600 grams of carbs a day. Why would I love carbs? Why would I want to do that? And at that time too, I was also in really good shape from competing. So it seems ridiculous. But I was like, oh, that's even more reason why I should do this because I feel so staunch about it, right? So I did. And after I did that, it has completely changed my eating behaviors. I don't struggle with cravings as bad as I ever, I used to, because I was such a high carbeter, I was eating a lot of foods that promoted me to want to eat more, which always made it hard to resist things that I probably shouldn't be eating a lot in the diet. It wasn't until then, so I mean, I've openly talked about my sugar addiction and candy and ice cream and things like that. It was the pivotal point for me of being able to lock that out and never

have an issue. And I think recently on the episode, not that long ago, you and I were joking around about candy and I was teasing that you were more like, you'd have candy when we fly now and you were giving me a hard time. What about your candy addiction? It's literally since I changed my macro profile, I've never struggled with it again. And up into that point, it was a part of my life. And so I now eat a much lower carb diet, probably in the 150 to 250 grams a day,

range for my size is pretty low. And before that, it was two, three times that. So that's something that completely changed my mind on how I looked at that. And it changed the way I ate. And I have an easier time getting my protein targets. And I don't crave all these sugary, bad foods like I used to. So that was something I switched switched on. Yeah, that's a tough one. I don't because we've talked about this before in terms of foam rolling and things like that where I've shifted my mindset on how to use it properly and the benefits of it. Actually recently just working with kids and kind of getting in that headspace of, you know, a high school athlete or somebody who has,

is very moldable and pliable. Like somebody who's like, that I could teach something, and I'm just used to teaching, like your average person, and how long that takes for them to actually be able to perform it correctly, and have good technique, and really get it because there's

so many hardwired patterns they've formed over the years that I have to unwind and basically deconstruct in order to then advance forward. And it's actually kind of blowing my mind how quickly these high school student athletes can adapt and get the technique of it. And so I was very reserved about teaching things like a hang clean or something that's way more advanced within that group. And just seen the progress day after day. And then a week later, just started to go with the broomstick

and then kind of worked our way to the bar. And it's, it actually, like, it really blew my mind like some of these kids that were able to pick it up and get all those really crazy complicated cues and be able to plight right away. Dude, they're so lucky to have you. That's so awesome, because I bet they're gonna progress. I mean, at that age especially, with that kind of motivation, they're gonna progress. I mean at that age especially with that kind of motivation

Yeah, they're gonna progress. I was literally gonna hold it out till like next year I'm like we got to just do squats and bench, you know like we got this down and They just they literally like just blew my mind. I was like, okay you guys are getting this I got build off this. I got something that was recent for me the muscle building benefits of pushing a sled I always considered sled drives to be cardio, cardio, more function, more power. It's good for athletes, but really no body building applications.

Like it's not gonna build my legs or my quads or my glutes or anything like that. Oh no, it's a great body building exercise. Great for building a leg. I do them once a week now. It's a great bodybuilding exercise great for building legs I do them once a week now. It's a staple part of my routine and I remember doing them after the second time I did them I saw the difference in my quads and then my calves also That's like my calves never want to grow all of a sudden I see them responding. Oh, it's because I'm driving a really heavy sled You know for you know 30 yards or whatever.

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