Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1589: How to Train to Balance Hormones, the Pros & Cons of Switching Between Full Body & Push/Pull, Tips for Lifting After Surgery & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 3, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer five Pump Head questions via Zoom. Adam’s air conditioning invention. (3:33) Feet and unusual body changes. (4:36) Gwen Berry versus the �...��flag’. (14:03) The surprising benefits of taking creatine with sodium. (20:35) The benefits of taking Organifi’s green juice when lacking vegetables in your diet. (22:55) A leaked UN report has a stark warning on climate change. (23:55) Reminiscing on Adam’s cow milking days and the ‘hard work’ mentality. (30:27) MIIR, keeping your water cool all day since 2010. (40:36) #Quah question #1 – What MAPS program would you recommend to complement Olympic lifting training? (42:58) #Quah question #2 – What exercises would you recommend I replace certain compound lifts from MAPS Anabolic after having hernia surgery? (49:16) #Quah question #3 – What type of training should I focus on to help me balance out my hormones? (55:49) #Quah question #4 – Would it be beneficial to train after working four double shifts or take the necessary time off? (1:08:51) #Quah question #5 – Is there a downside to doing a full-body workout one week and a push/pull workout the next week? (1:16:45) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com July Promotion: MAPS HIIT and the No BS 6-Pack Formula 50% off!  **Promo code “JULYSPECIAL” at checkout** Gwen Berry responds to critics of her flag protest: 'I never said I hated the country' Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* A leaked UN report warns ‘worst is yet to come’ on climate change. Here’s how you can help Mind Pump #1475: Eating Meat Is Good For The Climate With Robb Wolf Visit MIIR for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Fitness Prime Pro | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Fitness Anywhere | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Fitness Anabolic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump #1382: Why Everyone Should Squat HOW TO BE A HOLISTIC GANGSTER (PAUL CHEK) - Mind Pump TV Intuitive Nutrition Guide - Mind Pump Media Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Aesthetic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions from live caller. So people actually called in, asked us some fitness and health questions, and we got to coach them on air.
Starting point is 00:00:29 By the way, if you want to ask us a question that we answer on air, send your question to, what's the question place? Thank you Doug. Live at mypumpmedia.com. Live at mypumpmedia.com. All right, so in the beginning, we did our intro portions. This was almost 40 minutes long. And this is when we talk about current events. We bring up scientific studies. We talk about our sponsors So here's what we talked about in today's episode. We opened up by talking about Adam's invention. This guy's
Starting point is 00:00:57 Brilliant with his air conditioning invention. They made it with just a piece of paper Yeah, then we talk about feet and unusual body changes. None of us are a thing. Keep them away from me. Yeah, we're not big toe suckers here. No, not a big toe sucker. Then we talked about Gwen Berry. She's the controversial athlete that stood away from the
Starting point is 00:01:16 national anthem and the flag after getting third place. So we give our opinion on that. Then I talked about creatine. Did you know taking creatraya team with sodium increases its absorption. Then we talked about the pantry here at our other location where I like to stock it full of organified green juice because when we travel up here we tend to eat no vegetables.
Starting point is 00:01:38 It's all mean. Yes. And we need vegetables to get things moving, if you know what I mean. I do. Organifies green juice is really good. It's tons of high quality vegetable vegan products, freeze dried and a delicious powder. By the way,
Starting point is 00:01:54 Organify makes great supplements. Go check them out and use the Mind Pump discount for 20% off. Head over to organify.com-forward-slash-mind-pump. Use the code Mind PumpetCheck out for that 20% off. Then we talked about the UN report on climate change and give our give our opinions there. Adam talked about milking cows. I don't know if you guys know this or not, but he is an expert at milking. He's a cows.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Lactition consultant. I know what you call him. So bovine lactation. Some like that. And then I talked about mere. Meer is a company that makes great products, great insulated cups and thermoses and other products. Really good stuff.
Starting point is 00:02:34 Go check them out. And by the way, MindPump gives you 25% off. Head over to mere.com, and I-I-R.com forward slash MindPump. Use the code, MindPumpM pump media and get 25% off. Then we got into the fitness question. So the first person we talked to was Maria from North Carolina. The second question was from Gunner from Washington. Then we talked to Rebecca from Texas. And then finally Andrew from New York. Oh, and Sean, that's right. We had a fifth question. Sean from England. Thank you, Doug. Yeah. Yeah. Also all month long
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Starting point is 00:03:34 It's hot in here. Yeah. And what I was saying is, back in the day, thousands of years ago, or whatever, Kings and Queens didn't have AC, right? Because it didn't exist. No. And by the way, this is kind of interesting factoid your lower middle class today
Starting point is 00:03:46 You have way more stuff than Kings and Queens did 500 years ago. Yeah, so why are we still complaining anyway? Yeah, they would have like servants and stuff like just stand there with a big like like a big like leaf or I don't know What they would use big fake and they're just all day long. Yeah's what they're doing. That was your job. Jesus, this feel good. Yeah, it's like, you got the poor bastard who has to feel grapes all the time. You think there was ever a pay for the new girls? That was always slaves and then it was just done.
Starting point is 00:04:15 You're a genuine pain, oh my. Well, no, I'm saying that particular thing, but I feel like there was gotta be a time too. There's gotta be people who wanted AC that weren't kings too. It had money. What do you mean? Like somebody who had merchants, something before or
Starting point is 00:04:25 or a chance, yeah. Yeah, some say before, yeah, before we got to a place where did your foot just touch mine? That was kind of weird. I don't like that. There's something very weird to intimate about touching the man's foot. I can hold a hand.
Starting point is 00:04:36 I can hold a hand. You can touch. Look at Justin's hammer toes. Don't look at my toes, guys. They got the camera's can't go that low. Those are the feet Roll I grip really well guys I grip but I don't do anything you look like you climb trees with that's it though Like just or it looks like a fun
Starting point is 00:04:56 Morty smash is him Well, I'll tell you guys so my dad has this he calls it like hammer toe whatever but like Telling you guys, so my dad has this, he calls it like hammer toe, whatever, but like, he got to a point, we had to break each one of the toes. Oh! Yes, I have that to look forward to, I'm not happy about it. You got to break your toes. Are throats this toes?
Starting point is 00:05:13 Yeah, because they curled so far where it started curling under and putting pressure, you got like really pain-forth, right? Is that, now hold on, is that because your dad, because your dad's a big guy, so long. He's a big guy, he's a six, seven. Is it because the shoes never fit? Maybe, I have no idea, because I have the same thing,
Starting point is 00:05:26 so I don't know why. Stop that, Pat. Oh, dude. I mean, it could be worse. Yeah, it could be. Have you guys ever seen Pro basketball players' feet? You ever seen people? Yeah, those are just guys from two.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Pro, his feet are like, just like... Smash. Oh yeah, his toes are on top of each other. I think it's, all about math just is. Have you seen, I don't know if I... Okay, so it's very common for- Look up pro athletes' feet, boy his search is so good.
Starting point is 00:05:48 I should have said in my brother. He has no idea. He's like a disgusting foot, just right here. And I say, he's gonna come. Had to murder someone, this is. We're talking about athletes' feet. Wheel, dicks, you know what I'm saying? No, it's coming.
Starting point is 00:05:59 But if you're a big guy, and you're not, and you don't have a lot of money, like where's your mom gonna find size 15 shoes? You know what I'm saying? So she's gonna go to the store and be like, what's the biggest one you got? You think that's what happens? That's what happens?
Starting point is 00:06:13 Yeah, why do you think it's feeder like this? That's not natural. I mean, I don't know. I don't know why this one. It's because you grew up, didn't have the money to buy size 16 or whatever. Have you read an article or a story? I've read articles about that, about tall people.
Starting point is 00:06:23 The same zufren ones of yours I feel. What? It's in those things. Yeah, I talked to my Zufrens about that one. They're the ones who told me, I have to really pay that much attention. I'm on the screen. I have, I'm on to this guy.
Starting point is 00:06:37 They're not real scientists. I have friends that are experts in the toe business. That's how you write down, dude. Damn, dude. Yeah, but Joe, would you talk about the other day, dude, even when he's wrong, he sounds right. But I don't want you to say that. I don't want you to say that.
Starting point is 00:06:50 I'm like, where would you get that big a shoe? It's true. What are you gonna get that? What size shoes you're down where? But he's like four days. He's 13 and a half or 14, yeah. Yeah. So you can think of these people are,
Starting point is 00:06:58 they've been just in tiny shoes. No, I mean, I know that's still the, like the, just pressed. What culture was that where they used to be? Jack Japan. Is it Japan? Oh, they used to be the buying the feet. Yeah, they used that was that we're they used to Japan is a Japanese Oh, they's the buying the Fee yeah, they used to yeah, is that what is that China China China? Oh, I thought it was oh, you're right. No, no, no Don't the game. I thought it was China. Okay. Yeah, who's China? Oh, and they used to like oh They want they want a women's feet to be small right is that what the that's correct? Yeah
Starting point is 00:07:19 That was not a lot of people men is a certain size So okay, that makes like sense, but you're applying that to. I'm gonna look up for a point. That's where I thought it was. There are 15 size shoes. You're right, it was only China. I should know this. Doug knows everything about Japan.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I should know. He's a very Asian expert. Every fan. Every is weird about it. No, you know, so they would bind their feet so much. Have you ever seen pictures of what these women's feet look like? It's like this. Wish I didn't, like yeah, they used to, so they would bind their feet so much. Have you ever seen pictures of what these women's feet look like? It's like this.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Wish I didn't, like, yeah, like S is underneath it. Yeah, it's like, it looks like a little hoof, and then the toes are like, that's it. Super sad. And then when they walk, it's like, well, there's that, and then there's also those cultures that we have really long toenails that they just let go forever, and then they almost calcify, because they're so big and long and they're curling all the way out. And it's like they can barely walk.
Starting point is 00:08:09 They have to like get things to prop them up. But I don't understand how that was, how was that an attractive thing? I don't know. It's like a dispute. I don't know. I think it's just different. It's some culture of desire, certain things.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I feel like it becomes a celebrity in their culture because this is what happens here, right? A celebrity says something's cooler, everybody says it's cool. I bet you somebody back in the day was like, you know what? It's cool to have long-ass time service, I was like, let's do it because, you know, Uga Buga has it or whatever.
Starting point is 00:08:33 He just make up a name from a tribe or whatever. Who could be? I don't know, so that's a thing in K-Man or whatever. But listen, hey, so here's the thing with feet, they're gross. I don't be bad boys. I know. I try to come up with a weird name.
Starting point is 00:08:44 I don't. Gronk. Gronk, right? I don't understand the deal with feet. I don't get it, they're gross. I don't be bad boys. I know I try to come up with a weird name. I don't I don't Understand the deal with feet. I don't get it. They're gross all the time no matter what feet are gross. I don't like feet I agree No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no wife has the most adorable feet, but it's not, I'm not like a I pretend to like them. I'm just yeah, a massage you know, you know, way over here. Really? Yeah, do you have a toe sucker? No, I have toe sucker. I mean, I would, honey, I would kiss your toes. Oh my god, you asked me. Hey, good. She was a G1 basketball player to us. I love basketball player. I love that woman. I love that woman. I was sucked your toes, baby.
Starting point is 00:09:27 What's the thing? I don't know. I'm not a big toe sucker, but I also think that mishkek you feet. Yeah, and I like you feet. I don't like ugly feet, though. No. Yeah. There's just some cultures.
Starting point is 00:09:36 You guys ever seen those, there's a culture. I know where they're at, but they would put brass rings. Yeah. On their neck, it's fresh. They stretch them out. Those are like natural geographic. I remember those pictures. I did rig out.
Starting point is 00:09:48 I did the one thing we all ran. The one we were like, they were on the same page. Came out at the same time. That's probably because there was nudity in like a page. page 17 there was some nudity. Like you get past the neck rings, you get down a little lower. It's like, I'd probably even finish the whole article.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I can't tell you why they have the rings in the neck. It's a good mind. Like Justin said, I just remember seeing you on actual two grab, there's probably tits finish the whole article. I can't tell you why they have the rings to the next. It's a good mind. Like Justin said, I remember seeing you on actual cheek wrap. There's probably tits on the next page. That's me on my that's really what me and my yeah me and my what you say and what that's got to be see is the longer the neck the more beautiful the woman. Oh, now you know that they're next can we get so stretched and weak that they had to always wear the ring. Forever, they took them off. They took them off. Oh, weird. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:10:28 That's such a gross, it's weird. And then there's the culture that I don't know. What do you see today? There's got to be something. What do you see today? Think about it. We've got all kinds of weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, Preston. We got lizard man, dude. Have you guys seen that guy? Yeah, that guy's weird, dude. But think about the accepted stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:10:47 No, I mean more like, so she's that. Oh, like so, like desire. Like people aren't walking around like that. They're like, I wanna do that, you know? But people are doing Asim Plants and Butt in Plants. Let's just start. Let's just start in Boob in Plants. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:59 Catherine Plants and Facial Chames. This weird like, I just went through a windstorm plastic surgery face overhaul. So I guess you're right. I mean, if you were someone, there's a lot. 500 years from the future and you would bag you drop it. Well, think about it.
Starting point is 00:11:12 If you go back 500 years and somebody comes, or someone from the past comes in the future, and then they see like 60 year old Beverly Hills, whatever, with like perky ass boobs. They're like, what the fuck? Is going world ladies just, yeah, this is weird. They're like, why is that young like what the fuck is going on? That girl ladies just, yeah this is weird.
Starting point is 00:11:27 They're like why is that young woman having old face or whatever, you know, it'd be really strange. And you don't think they'd go like, wow they figured that out. Yeah, my boobs, they hacked this, it's the alien. It's a problem.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I mean, I guess you don't go back and you go like, oh that's brilliant, they figured out it long get the neck by two feet. No, no, no, no, no. So by the way, did you know that bras, that if you wear bras all the time, it actually causes the muscles that support the boobs to atrophy and boobs sag more.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Yeah, wow. So going brawless is better for perquiness in the boob area. Burn the bras ladies. That's true, I actually read that. I thought there was a certain amount. I don't think it's all the time. I think all the time isn't great either for what keep it a working Yeah, well, let's see the article your time. I do you remember what it said exactly what is it?
Starting point is 00:12:12 Some point you think no bra all the time is gonna help well I'm sure if you're running or doing something like that. Yeah There's I remember there's I remember reading something similar to that that there's benefits to not wear jump And I don't think it was like never wear it. It's the same reason why, because you would think the weight of it would pull down and it would make it, like all the time, would also make it kind of sag too.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Well, not just sag, you're probably injured yourself. Well, yeah. If you're trying to move up. I think I read the same thing you did a long time ago, because that's been around for a minute. Yeah, and there's a thing suggested. Also, I mean, you know, in those cultures, especially modern hunter-gatherers, the man will always Support their their junk and I get that why you put a sock in there? No, I don't
Starting point is 00:12:54 That's not a Just for aesthetics. That's a real deal No, they like push it with bod gas. No, they they they would do it because of running no to talk about No, they they they would do it because of running. I know what I'm talking about You just got that would exaggerate it way too much to see bro You could have rolled some ankle socks in there And it might have been realistic instead. He's got a story about this High socks in there rolled up. Yeah, we'll go snow socks dude So our wrestling team like and this was kind of it's it was funny because a lot of these guys are my friends
Starting point is 00:13:24 I played football mean everything but they actually went out for wrestling I never wanted to go out because a lot of these guys were my friends that played football and me and everything, but they actually went out for wrestling. I never wanted to go out because of the unitards that they wear, right? And so they're wearing these things, these singlets, and we got to a rally for the school, like assembly, and so we're all sitting there watching. They come out, and they all, like, just they had socks taped on the inside like this and did a whole WWF thing but like it was so bad dude they got so much trouble as hilarious wow you can't do that anymore no like yeah exactly
Starting point is 00:13:52 bad about it yeah it's it was almost like you know it was 80s movies like porquies or whatever like it was like we're doing stuff like that yeah I know that was not good yeah you can't be walking out with fake stuff did you what was that I saw this on pop up but I thought I heard you talking about it, but I didn't get a chance to read it, but I saw it pop up. I got tagged on a bunch of it, and it was during the Olympics. I don't know what sport it was. And the picture was two girls on the podium that they were crying, and then one girl that was turned with her back to the podium.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah. That was, and then I forget what it was. So, what was your name? What was your name? What was your name? What was your name? What was your I forget what was so name is when they're protesting obviously she's protesting yeah, so I'm gonna look it up I'll look up in the article so we can kind of read about it a little bit but she's an American track and field athlete and she specializes in a hammer throw and I guess when the she got third place I believe in in a
Starting point is 00:14:40 particular competition and she turned away from the American flag during the national anthem in protest of, you know, saying that this, that we're not, you know, equality is in good in this country. It was, so here she says, and she supports a company called Color of Change, which is unapologetically in favor of defunding the police. So she's saying, basically protesting.
Starting point is 00:15:08 So now, what do you guys thoughts on that? Like you're in the Olympics, you're representing America, you win, you get on the podium, they play the American, the national anthem, and you turn around. And essentially, some people would say disrespect. Well, it's the national anthem or the American flag. The epitome of how divisive we've all become. It's just that that's a clear example of sort of where we're at. I mean, it's, it's sad and unfortunate in my opinion, but it's also what makes America
Starting point is 00:15:35 beautiful. Is the fact that you, yes, I agree. You can work your ass off so hard and you can put yourself in a position where you get national attention and you can become one of the best and you get to stand on a podium and you could have very strong political beliefs. I may not align with the majority or people and you have an opportunity to make your point. I think it's a good point. I think defunding the police is stupid. Oh my god. I've seen the results of that. That I don't support the idea that, well, you know, it's your podium.
Starting point is 00:16:05 You earned it. You got, you worked your ass out to get there. And also there's no fear of going back home and getting iced. It's just like other countries that would get really a fan-fast. And I have their leaders and I don't feel, I also don't feel sorry for her for what she's probably gonna get as a backlash from that.
Starting point is 00:16:22 I mean, you get that. That's part of the, that's part of the freedom. Yeah, there's part of the, it's part of the freedom. Yeah, there's part of the, it's part of the part of the freedom. There are consequences, right? To speech in the sense that you could piss someone off, you could say something mean, people are gonna like you, whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:32 But you're right, this country represents freedom. And freedom of speech, by the way, is more protected here than anywhere else in the world. Everybody thinks Canada is like the same. Not at all. Not true. In fact, they criminalize certain types of speech. Well thinks Canada is like the same. Not at all. Not true. In fact, they criminalize certain types of speech. That's how the whole Jordan Peterson thing, that's how he went viral.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Yeah, it was Bill C. Southanab. But here, here, we're pretty supportive of free speech, and here's a deal. Free speech exists specifically to protect unpopular speech. You don't need to protect popular speech. And what's unpopular speech. You don't need, you don't need to protect popular speech. And what's unpopular speech? It could be something that's justified. Sometimes it's something that's bad. In the past, it was anything against the government, right?
Starting point is 00:17:12 And the government could pass a law, or they couldn't pass a law banning you from criticizing the government. Yeah, I certainly don't want them making the decision. Yeah, I think, I think look, I don't agree with her stance. I don't think defending the police is smart at all. I think it's stupid. I think if you just look at the numbers, every time they do that, it's worse for everybody,
Starting point is 00:17:28 especially the minorities, especially people who are disenfranchised or in poor neighborhoods. They get hurt the most by stuff like that. I also think it's interesting to say how bad of a country we are when we're in many cases. If you're anybody other than the majority, your odds of success are higher than anywhere else. We have the wealthiest minorities in the world in any category, and most successful in almost any category. So.
Starting point is 00:17:59 What is the stat on that? I don't know if you talked about in the podcast, maybe Doug, you can look that up because I forget, but like, I mean, a Caucasian person is not even in the top five. I don't know. Asian Americans actually have a performer. I know they do. I remember. Indian American.
Starting point is 00:18:17 I also, there's quite a few that are above. Yep. And so this idea of this white privilege always being talked about in our country which not saying that it doesn't exist it's that it doesn't look to me like it's that it's all skewed in that direction there there are certain people that absolutely are benefiting the oh no like you said Asian Americans do very well they have low incarceration rates very high rates of wealth and success, low divorce rates, which is probably one of the reasons why the kids do so well. They're very low, single parent rates, lower than anybody else. But nonetheless, look, I might not agree with someone's statement, but it represents our freedom exceptionally. So you have the freedom to stand up there and we're America. Look, if it was another country, it's a beautiful thing to be able to Yes, yeah, have that and protect that because you but you have to challenge yourself with that though
Starting point is 00:19:08 That's the big thing if it's speech that you don't agree with you don't like it still has to exist Yeah, that's that's what we all have to agree upon. Yeah, could you imagine what would happen if a Chinese Athlete did that during the Chinese national anthem. If they won, and they would disappear. They're gone. They would be gone. That's what I'm trying to say. It's scary. I got into debate online with someone who was talking about how great it is to live in
Starting point is 00:19:33 China. So I know the laws and what it's like over there. By the way, you see the people protesting in Hong Kong, it's because they know what freedom tastes like. They don't want to go in the opposite direction. Nonetheless, I talked to this guy, was going back and forth and debating me. And so I said, hey, what do you think about
Starting point is 00:19:50 what happened in T.N.M. and Square? And crickets, you can't even mention it. And I knew he couldn't mention it. Because I knew he mentioned it, he put himself at risk for getting a big trouble. So it's like, yeah, right, bro. Great place. You can't say whatever you want. So I defend that always. Even if I disagree. I can't say whatever you want. So yeah, I defend that always.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Even if I disagree. I don't know anything about that. That was a huge protest. The famous picture of the guy standing with the briefcase in front of the tank. Oh, okay. Yeah, and there was a massacre and people died or whatever. You can't mention it on social media over there.
Starting point is 00:20:19 You can't bring it up over there. It is a crime. You came and bring it up. You'll get silenced. They scrubbed their media. They're social media and everything. Oh, that's interesting. You came and bring it up, you'll get silenced. They scrub their media, their social media and everything. That's interesting. Look at that stuff. Yeah, wow, that's a lot.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Yeah, really, really, that's a big, big, big government. Yeah, and not good stuff. So anyway, I want to move over to fitness a little bit. Do you know what's really good to take with Crateen? So you know how for a long time, I don't know if I said this on the podcast, I know I was talking to Doug about this. So Crateen, obviously, our favorite supplement, just all around, aside from nutrients that you
Starting point is 00:20:48 may be lacking that you supplement with. There's just new benefits we're constantly finding. Oh yeah, I told you guys that my dad started taking it for arthritis. So I'll give you guys a little bit of that. Right, you guys, they're crazy fact. Yeah, I'll let you guys know what his results are with that. But you know how they used to say, take Crayteen with dextrose, spikes the insulin, increases creatine absorption?
Starting point is 00:21:06 That's why cell tech was so close. They really love cell tech. 75 grafts of sugar, right now, give me diabetes. So you don't need to use dextrose, there's something that's almost as effective that has no calories. Sodium. Oh really? You take creatine with sodium.
Starting point is 00:21:20 As it's supposed to work as well as sugar? Very effective. Sodium and creatine are transported, I believe, by similar mechanism. So sodium increases the absorption. So what I now stack the element, 100%. So post workout, you drink something like element, which is high in, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like high in sodium. Combining that at some point. Or if you don't want to do that, get, just throw some, some, you know, some pink hemolane salt or sea salt or whatever in your water, mix it up with your cretin,
Starting point is 00:21:49 take a post workout, it'll increase its absorption and it's significant, I remember the number was, but it's pretty significant in terms of its absorption. Oh, wow, it's really, right? And no sugar, right? No calories. Yeah, no, that makes me want to see if we can work something out with it.
Starting point is 00:22:03 That would be really cool to create. So like you said, it's just combined. Yeah, are you guys makes me want to want to see if we can work something out with them. That would be really cool to create. So like you said, that we just combined. Yeah, are you guys consistent with creating now? I haven't been for a long time. I've actually been trying to get back on it. But yeah, when I was on it, it was substantially different. My last like two reps, like I would always notice that I could pump those out so much easier. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:22 It was crazy. It was just the straight move. It was, when I'm at the gym and I'm working here because I pump those out so much easier. It was crazy. It was just the straight way to go. It's when I'm at the gym and I'm working here because I have the creatine all there. So I'm good when I'm working out. You know, I left some here. Here?
Starting point is 00:22:33 Yeah, it was a whole bag of it. Oh, I didn't know that. It's the white powder, it's creatine. Oh, I love those. Oh man. Yeah. It's terrible, man. This is a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:22:40 It's a lot. It's just working. This party's gonna be exciting. This is burn. It's just burn so much. Oh, geez. No, I bought a whole bag of creat's just working. This party's not gonna be expensive. This is burn so much. Oh, jeez. No, I bought a whole bag of crating. I have it in there. I've always, I bring supplements here all the time.
Starting point is 00:22:50 We're stock, bro. Just everywhere you go. You just gotta leave traces. What do you think brings all the organified? That's why we have all the green juice and the immune. Oh, I always want to get to the place in that. Yeah, I mean, I love having that for when we're up here. Because I don't get as much vegetables when I'm up here.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Really? Yeah, you're better than me, dude. I'm the one that brings the new thing at whiskey every time. Yeah, so you guys are making dinner tonight for everybody. We are, yeah. We're on a vegetable's on top of that, too. So yeah, we'll do some vegetables.
Starting point is 00:23:15 I think we're either doing broccoli or peppers. I don't remember which one, but then I'm gonna be doing the steaks. I'm not doing that part. She's doing the potatoes in the veggies they're fumbled around is like uh just so you're fucking told me but I don't I'm not doing it um but I am doing the coffee rub uh stakes yeah you guys will find it to try that out yes yes no I brought
Starting point is 00:23:38 the the green juice be specifically cousin that because when we come up here we tend to be like stakes that's a time and I'm like need to- I think I should get up here more now, right? I think I should get here here the most or traveling. Yeah, yeah, like when I like to fly with it, keep it in my bag, it's really easy. All right, so I got some more controversial stuff for you guys. So there was this report, I'm gonna read it from the UN about climate change, and they're talking about how
Starting point is 00:24:03 we're so far gone that shit's gonna get real bad. This is the report from the UN, right? And now here's what it says, and then I'm not gonna- And then I'm not gonna get a thumb book, or you're gonna get a thumb book. And then here's gonna be,
Starting point is 00:24:14 here's my, I'll give you my opinion afterwards. So it says here that this report suggests that the wheels of climate-related devastation have already been set in motion to slow them down. So this is what they're saying now. In order to slow down this issue with climate, the entire world would need to take aggressive and immediate action on all fronts.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Otherwise, we're gonna pass a point of no return. So here's my whole process. I hardly ever pass that. Everything's so intense right now. Yeah, I know. What? Like, can you use less chill? Like we just went through a bunch of crazy shit. Like, and now, oh, now the next new thing is we're all gonna die for a climate. The guy that we hung out with that we are, that we're first looking at up here.
Starting point is 00:24:58 The very first time when we were first shopping up for places up here. And he was the VR, he was, he was renting his place out. He rented his place to us for just staying up. What was his, I forgot what his title or what he did for work, but you remember how he felt about it? It was just like, yeah, we're done. Like he was so convinced by all his research and what he was involved in that,
Starting point is 00:25:17 it's there's no way past no return. Well, so here's, so he remember that? I do. I was a smart guy too. I remember that too. I remember that too. That was just topping his fearsome. I remember that specifically because up until that point, it was a smart guy I remember that I remember that to you that was just topping conspiracy I remember that specifically because up until that point it was a very fun exciting conversation
Starting point is 00:25:30 Remember that we're all hidden off and then he got real dark real fast like yeah, we're pretty good Probably like Yeah, you had this great job. You're doing stuff like that and now you just kind of like Do you know how big the world is? Like, you know, like, is all that gonna happen in his? He's got to solve that. Yeah, I do. So here's my opinion on this right here. So they're saying that we need to take aggressive
Starting point is 00:25:51 and immediate action, but the problem with that is, in the world, you have billions of people that are very vulnerable to, cause in the 20th century, we lifted billions of people out of poverty. A lot of people don't know about this. It's tremendous progress that we did taking people from grinding poverty to where they're dying of things like dysentery and starvation.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Now we lifted them out, but they're on the edge still, right? We make these massive changes, these economic changes and these changes in production and transportation. We will hurt billions of people in very, very bad ways. Why do they keep trying to cripple our economy? And that's it. We're just starting to rebuild it. Why are you adding also that stuff? Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like, this is not as easy as just change everything because everything has a consequence. And if we do that, we're going to kill a lot of people. And if we don't, maybe people will die. It. Very complicated. So I have a, I have a,
Starting point is 00:26:45 people pretend like it's not. It's very complicated. It really is too a question, but I don't know the answer to it. So I wanna hear, you know how they've, along the lines of climate change, I know that cowfarts, right, have been blamed for quite a bit of this, right?
Starting point is 00:26:57 So what is so different about cowfarts than humanfarts? Hmm. I think I've talked about that. I think they're a lot bigger. I know that the average person fararts enough to fill up a balloon This is why I'm asking That's why I'm asking that's a true stat. There's there's a whole lot more of us than there are cows on the world So and I'm you know, I've been around some people are I don't think we produce as much methane. By the way, I'm assuming that, that's why I'm asking though.
Starting point is 00:27:27 By the way, by the way, when you guys eat lots of plant-based foods, do you fart more or less? Oh, more. Way more. That's why eating lots of vegetables and plants is bad for the environment. It is. Oh, it's good for the environment.
Starting point is 00:27:42 Vegan's head just spills. Well, as your farts will keep you still. Do you have the answer for me on that? Well, here's one mistake about cows and humans. We can wipe out all the cows and nobody bad and I. We wipe out all the humans and we have I know, but I'm just saying though, if we're going to make you're going to make a huge case about the cows and we're not even going to say anything about how much damage the humans are potentially doing.
Starting point is 00:28:02 What do you do about the humans? Yeah, okay, you get rid of them possibly bill gates has an answer once Five times a day there should be a limit. I think so I agree with that you get taxed. Yeah, it's even as big debunked anyways I mean the whole cow fart thing. Okay, so listen to how many cows there are in the world 989 million doesn't even come close to the number here. That's what I'm saying. But each cow's fart is worth how many humans' farts. Well, that's a good question.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Where are the studies that show like when you plant a tree, like how much that like then takes on a lot of the carbon and puts out, yeah, it puts out oxygen and replacement of it. Like literally if we planted more trees, had more forests, would it would take out Dude there's a lot of progress we could make just from that nuclear power. Well, yeah Hey, plenty of plenty of trees it's simple Simple actionable thing he said just bitch about it. How much is a tree counter?
Starting point is 00:28:59 How much does it counter like someone's carbon footprint? So how much do you know? I'm like a guarantee again We want to screen here. How many for this how many trees how many farts equals a tree That is a great thing to figure out how many oh my god Help dug out you imagine they start taxing far you're allowed to a day after that. It's a dollar The damage Adam's like a broken We're allowed to a day after that. It's a dollar. It's a dollar. Adam's like a broken.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Yeah. What about you? That's hilarious. Well, I did find out that humans are reported to meet about one liter per day of flatulent gases. One liter? One percent of our body volume. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:29:35 That sounds like a lot to me. It's a lot, but we weigh a lot less than a cow. So. Yes, that's true. Cow's are pretty big. Do you ever seen one? Oh yeah, you milked them. I have. And that's what I'm trying to remember like all the all the cowfarts
Starting point is 00:29:47 When you milk cows do they fart? No, not that. Oh, yeah, that's actually not a bad question. They are fart running on you They do yeah, especially if they don't get a shit on for trees help reduce the effects of climate change during one year A mature tree will absorb more than 48 pounds of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and release oxygen in exchange. Plant a tree! Damn. 48 pounds? I don't know, I just wanted to do it. Hold on, I want to pretend that that was a powerful fact.
Starting point is 00:30:15 How many liters? A human does one liter a day? Yeah, one liter a day. I don't know, but we got liters in a pound. Come on, dude. This is gas. By the way. Hold on a second. We got to back up for a second. Adam said something very interesting.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Okay, that we need to not skirt by. Okay, let's listen. You've been shit on by a cow? Yeah, haven't I told you so? No, like, was your hand in there? No, no, no, like my whole face area, I feel. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:38 On your face? So you milked the cows at twice a day, and you milked about the same time. So if you milk at three in the morning, you milked at three in the afternoon. So those are the two shifts. So I used to run half the week, the morning shifts, they're half the evening shifts. And the morning shifts, I'm strolling in like, you know, eyes barely open. It's 3.30 in the morning, like, you know, drinking a couple of coffees,
Starting point is 00:30:58 pitch black out there and some of that, switching everything on and going. And so I have, half my job, I'm like a sleep doing this. And it's like this repetitive motion of pushing the cows through. And this cow came around one time. And the way you do this, so if you can imagine the stall that they come in, their foods right here, it's elevated, right?
Starting point is 00:31:15 So it's elevated like this. So I'm standing there, there are others eye level to me. And their buttholes right above you? Well, then their buttholes over here, but it's facing the other direction. But they eat a bunch of grain instead of with you. And sometimes they're sick and they have diarrhea and they have issues like that, right?
Starting point is 00:31:30 So I had one that I didn't know it was sick until this happened, right? He eats the grain and as I let him out, I open it, and when he lets out, he goes and he turns. And when he turns, hit then he's just... Where we need sprinkler. Yeah, sorry. Brown. Then you don't milk a mole. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, you know, then you know milk of mold
Starting point is 00:31:49 So soon as she turns out out the corner. Yeah her butts pointed right at my face and then she just All I mean literally was it watery? Yeah, oh completely oh my god So how old were you cuz I'm I'm gonna throw the three here 17 right? okay, so okay, so you guys know about the whole like imprint you know psychological The 70 effect you later on yeah, I mean signing it all that's I'd been already doing this for a few years I started when I was 15 I think so you just go home like what do you do? No, I went up to the I went up to the front I had I knocked on the door and just covered in shit. Yeah, yeah The door to the ranch the ranchers house right and said hey, I had to shut everything down I get key hose me bro. Yeah, I mean you have these huge cover all so thank God
Starting point is 00:32:36 It wasn't like crazy. I mean obviously you get your mouth. No, I had my mouth closed in your eyes Close my eyes fast enough. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. Pink. Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was, it was definitely up there. Up there in those like weird memories, I got a lot of those with the, with working out with the dairy. Oh, yeah, you can. I'm unpredictable.
Starting point is 00:32:55 So this is why it's such a hard worker. You had to stick that out, dude. You know, it's funny and you know this too, because you guys have both have done this. There is some, or at least maybe I had this one. First of all, one. Um, and I don't know if it comes from my upbringing or just in, I have a genetics for my, whatever.
Starting point is 00:33:11 But when I, I have always viewed work, I have found a way to love what I do no matter what I do. You have to. That's how I feel. Like if I gotta show up and do this thing and I'm shoveling shit, I gotta find a way to like it. It's worse when you have a bad attitude.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Right. It just makes everything worse. And I connected those dots really early in life. Yeah, because the mistake is trying to find something you love. That's right. All the time rather than love what you've got. That's right. And so I piece that together and I really,
Starting point is 00:33:37 so all of my jobs I ever did, and some shittier than others, like really. Yeah. Literally. Yeah, literally. You know, I always loved them. I found ways to, what I liked about that job and I focused on about it. I mean, I loved the fact that I get, I had this, it was all by myself and I, and it's super peaceful. Imagine at four o'clock in the
Starting point is 00:33:54 morning, especially now that we're older and we, we enjoy being present and peaceful like that. And I'd have music playing and it's just, and it's dark outside. And the job is so like, you know, there's a skill to making it move and go flow fast, right? And be able to get assistance. But it's somewhat predictable, like you knew. Super predictable. Yeah, so I would totally, I'd be doing my job
Starting point is 00:34:13 but be able to kind of zone out and think about life. Other stuff I wanna do. Yeah, when I watch dishes, I do that. Yeah, I like that. And so I mean, I learned to like that, I should say. It was something that I was like, this is cool. But then yeah, every once in a while, you get like that. I should say it was something that I was like this is cool And so but then yeah every once in a while you get shit on or I know it's like kicked My son like Cal. Oh, you got kicked in the chance. Oh, yeah, absolutely Sometimes you go to touch like the utter and they have like a blister or they've been scabbed or like another
Starting point is 00:34:38 Another cow stepped on their utter and then so it's like sliced open Super sensitive Yeah, and you still got to go milk that's it So imagine you go go I'm sticking my hands in there and that shits hell essentially on their utter and then so it's like sliced open, so they're super sensitive. And you still gotta go milk that shit. So imagine you go, I'm sticking my hands in there and that shits hell of sense. Yeah, they whip that leg out. So man, you can kick the couple of times.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Damn, that's a tough job, dude. I can't get quick. There's no fast food restaurants, really? No, there is. That's what I, so where I grew up, you had one or the other. You either worked at, there's a handful. There was round table, Burger King, Carl's Jr. McDonald, all the major,
Starting point is 00:35:08 made more money than me guess. Eventually I did, I made about the same, I started at four hours, 50 cents was minimum wage when I started. And so, but I didn't want to work fast food, I didn't want my high school friends driving through, drive through and throwing shit at me and talking shit to me in my goofy ass hat.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Like I didn't want that. I didn't want the attention either. I'd rather be the dude out at four o'clock in the morning doing hard shit and sweating and being the sun and getting dirty and shit on like that was more appealing to me. Character is this of a successful person. I guess I don't know but I thought that's how I was like I did not want that. I had a friend that worked at hot dog on a stick. Yeah, you're that when they had a friend that worked at Hot Dog on a stick. And let me tell you. Yeah, bro. You remember that when they had to bounce on the thing to make them stupid, uniform and everything.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Oh, man, I don't know how to cut dead night. Oh, bro. It's just like, what was that movie we were watching the other night? Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. Oh, what a dumb movie. And do you remember that movie? Yeah. And the kid works at a, what was it, clown world?
Starting point is 00:36:00 No, dog clown. Dog. Clown dog. That looks like Hot Dog on a stick. Yeah, same outfit. That's why I did not want that. And for sure, of course, I thought it was cool. And so I was like, that was not cool. Was not cool to be working at the fast food restaurant.
Starting point is 00:36:14 And then so the other option was, ranches. I mean, there was lots of farms out there. And so you become a ranch hen for somebody you learned. Oh, yeah. I was like the construction whipping boy. That's just, I was just out there digging and being under houses and getting hard to reach staff. I think every young man should work construction because you learn a lot like all the dirty humility. I did. I also forgot a lot, right? So I'm terrible, but it also gave me an appreciation for anybody that does labor like that. So it gave me that, right?
Starting point is 00:36:46 And then it also told me that if I don't want to do this for the rest of my life, I better learn other skills or work my ass off to get better at something than, or else I could be potentially. You later provided that for me and also like restaurants. You know, I was like, I don't wanna do this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this. No, no, no, no, no, no. Restaurants are no way. But I feel like those two, I feel like everybody should have to work. Yes, you work in a restaurant,
Starting point is 00:37:09 especially if you're a waiter or a bus boy or whatever, you learn how to deal with people. You have to. Yeah, and there's so many asses. Well, look at it. There's so many difficult people that demand the world from you and it's like, wait a minute. You know, like, honestly, you're out here
Starting point is 00:37:23 and I'm trying to make your experience better, but now you're hammering me. Look at one of our favorite employees. I mean, that's Jerry's background comes from that. One of the attributes that everybody always says and loves a buyer is just like, she's on her. Yeah. She's got that, she's been, she's the timing.
Starting point is 00:37:38 She's been doing that for over a decade, so she's gonna be fast. Yeah, she's about a time. My goal with every job was to be the best employee. Literally. If I worked there, I was like, I'm gonna be the best dish washer. There was to be the best, that's right. There was literally, there was like six of us
Starting point is 00:37:51 that rotated through between the owners and some of that with milking the cows. And being able to do, if you could get the most milk in the shortest amount of time, you're the best. And we tracked all that stuff. So like being able to get them in, get them out, and produce them as much. Because you could always cheat the system
Starting point is 00:38:07 and shortcut everybody and then the milk isn't producing, which then they get pissed, they lose their money. So can I get the cows to produce as much and as fast as possible, get them in and out? Like, and you were, I was like, I want to eat these mythigers. Adam just milking cows. He's the best.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Oh man! No, what's over, God, I squared some milk. Imagine though you're an employer. I mean, you've loved to get a 15 year old kid with me, like me, like that. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not competitive.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Yeah, I've heard to be faster. You get the job done earlier, and he's only paying me $6 an hour or whatever the time. I'm like, I love this kid. It's funny, because my son's about right now, he's about to get in the start looking for a job pretty soon. And it's funny because I'm like, you should work over here. I don't wanna work there, like man.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I don't, I didn't beat this kid. It's selective work. Yeah. You know, I'm just gonna get a choice. But yeah, when I was a kid, I was like, that was it, dude. You get your job and you do your job. Yeah, what do you think he's gonna be like? Do you think he's gonna be like you when it comes to,
Starting point is 00:39:00 I feel like there's so many, he's so like you. There's so many things that you guys have. He's definitely, it's interesting. If it's something that he's into, I think he'll crush, but him and my daughter are very different. He, he, a lot of things come easy to him. And so sometimes he, he'll skate because he can.
Starting point is 00:39:15 My daughter is like, I want to be the best, no matter what, and she puts way too much pressure on her. So in fact, she just told me she wants to be a lawyer and she's hardcore about it. And I said, why? And she's like, because it's hard. Like, a kiss through. I was like, oh, now do you think you think your son is more or less driven to be financially
Starting point is 00:39:35 successful than you? I was never driven by finances. So you think he's not at all either. I don't know. I will see. I was never driven by finances. I just loved to do do a good job. I was never driven by finances. I just loved to do a good job. I loved to do really well. And I liked to grow, right? But I was never driven by finances. I think maybe because I grew up,
Starting point is 00:39:53 we weren't wealthy, we were middle class, but I never had issues with money. So it wasn't like something that I felt like I needed to go and get, but I liked working, and I liked doing a good job. I like to do a really, really good job. But money was like whatever. So do you think he shares those attributes
Starting point is 00:40:09 or do you think he's different? I think so. I think so. Yeah, I definitely think so. You know what's interesting about him? Is he's really good at things that tend to be opposing. He's like really good at tech and art. So this art projects are incredible.
Starting point is 00:40:22 And then he's really good at math and technology. So I don't know what that'll. That's interesting. Yeah, well that'll take both sides of the brain right? That's one's left one's right. So they say, well, yeah, I told him like you're like Davinci. Yeah. Should I.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Anyway, dude, so we're supposed to talk about mirror, but I have someone to bring up about the mirror cups. I left a mirror cup. I had filled it with water and ice for the drive up here, left it in my car. You guys know it was, it's hot. No, it's 90 times. In fact, if you're watching us, it's 100 something.
Starting point is 00:40:50 On YouTube right now, I'm not just like, this is not my skin isn't just glistening. You know what I'm just waiting, right? I'm just like draining of sweat, right? It is hot, right? So I had it out in the car in the heat all day long. Oh, I forgot my cup. I go out there, open it.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I think it's gonna. Cold. So awesome. Still cold. Like nothing. Okay, you guys know that I have no idea the evolution of this. You remember thermoses when you were a kid, which were pretty decent. You had a thermos, probably every kid had a thermos in their lunchpale.
Starting point is 00:41:18 We keep foods hotter, cold for a good portion of the day. But not at the level now. What was it? Technology-wise that they figured out between when we were kids and not at the level now. What was it, technology wise, that they figured out between when we were kids and what's the most amazing thing? You create, so you have two walls, right, separated by oxygen or air. That doesn't transfer energy very well, heat or cold, so whatever's on the inside isn't going to cool down or heat up as fast as it would if there was no air in between those two walls. Then when they
Starting point is 00:41:44 started doing, it started to vacuum. I think they started vacuum the oxygen out or something like that. So there's a vacuum in between the two walls and that made it even more effective. I think, Doug, am I correct? Is this right?
Starting point is 00:41:55 That sounds good. Okay. Sounds good. Hey, it always sounds good when he's delivering it. One of the sounds good. Who knows if it's accurate. Hey, no, I'm scientists. Someone will correct me. Oh my gosh. Yeah,. Hey, no, I'm scientists. Someone's gonna, someone will correct me.
Starting point is 00:42:05 Oh my gosh. Yeah, there's gotta be, I bet you we do. Process of us. We're not. We are now at a place now which I do. And I appreciate it by the way, especially when you guys approach a profession. Nice fully.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Yeah, nice, that's the word I was looking for. Nice fully. Nice fully. I appreciate it. Nice, nice. Because there's always somebody who's an expert or in the field that we talk about. I know. We're all constantly being corrected. Thank God we don't in the field that we talk about. I know.
Starting point is 00:42:25 I'm constantly being corrected. Thank God we don't try and claim like we're experts in this list. This Quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance- added edge. Try Organified Totally Risk-Free for 60 Days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Our first caller is Maria from North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Hey Maria, how come help you? Hi guys, thanks so much for having me. So right now I trained five days a week three by myself and then three with a trainer. So I am currently training with 15 Olympic lifting with him. But I want to do or follow my own program. One of your programs actually, I'm trying to see if I can, one of your programs actually. I'm trying to see if I can buy one of your programs during my days off with my trainer. But I don't know if that's gonna take away
Starting point is 00:43:34 from my training with him with the Olympic lifting. I don't know what are your thoughts. Okay, that's a good question. So now I don't know your trainer. I'm gonna assume that they're doing a good job and No program that you'll find anywhere online is gonna be as good as a Individualized personal trainer. So what I would do if I were you is I would follow the instruction of the trainer now If you want to add something to
Starting point is 00:44:00 The training I wouldn't add one of our workout programs What I would add would be something that would focus on correctional exercise and mobility. So, Maps Prime Pro is something that can be added to any workout, because it improves connection, it improves mobility, it improves your ability to move more effectively and efficiently, so you get better results with the workouts that you do doing, that you are doing. But aside from that, I would focus on what your trainer wants you to do because I used to have clients that would do this sometimes, they would train with me,
Starting point is 00:44:30 and then they would go off and do other stuff, not knowing, not for any fault of their own, but not knowing that they were actually countering a lot of the work that we were doing together. Yeah, Maria, how mad would your trainer be that you're asking this question? Yeah. And does he listen to us?
Starting point is 00:44:44 I hope he doesn't see this. I'm sure he would be it. This used to piss me off when clients did this, okay? So, and here's why. If he's a good trainer, which I hope he is, because you hired him. Yeah, he's amazing. Okay, so if he's amazing,
Starting point is 00:44:57 then you probably don't need to add anything to your programming. And if you were going to do anything, it would be to address maybe some mobility stuff or priming like Sal's alluding to, which is that that's not a standalone program that's designed to complement any program. So that that makes sense. But as far as any other exercises, training-wise strength or anything, I mean, if he's done a good job, you shouldn't you shouldn't be adding anything to it. It might be helpful,, I mean, obviously, to introduce them to the podcast, but also, we have a program like Maps Anywhere where it's something if you're traveling and you have
Starting point is 00:45:34 limited options in terms of tools and things like that, that could make sense and then he could be, find a way to program that in with his program and he's already doing with you. But yeah, you don't wanna compete with what you already have going on. You wanna kind of work together. So communication is one of those things that you're just gonna go a long way if you kind of tell him what you're thinking of
Starting point is 00:45:57 and then he kind of goes through our stuff. Now, Maria, do you have Maps Prime Pro? I don't. Okay, I want you to check in your right pocket right now. We just, we just gave you maps prime pro for free. We're gonna, we're gonna send that over to you, so you'll have free access, okay? He's really into magic. It's not your pocket call or customer service. That's the beauty of digital programs, yeah, they're everywhere. It's not your pocket call customer service. That's the beauty of digital programs. Yeah, they're everywhere. Thank you Maria. Thank you Yeah, I mean, here's I would be so pissed. Yeah, look here's the bottom line. This used to piss me off No, this gives you piss you off. Yeah, because they don't know right? How many trains have we pissed off?
Starting point is 00:46:37 I mean probably a million, but this is the problem is that people don't know right? That's what you hire someone they're the expert and you don't understand the intricacies of workout programming and what they're trying to accomplish with you. And if they're good, they're doing a great job. And here's a deal, this is the bottom line. The three of us, we trained people for decades. This is what we did. And we know the value of a really good personal trainer.
Starting point is 00:46:59 There isn't a workout program in the world that's made for masses of people that will ever compete. I just find this so interesting though like any other profession that you hire to handle a part of your life say a financial advisor or I bet financial advisors hate this too. I will I'm sure that this life. Oh, I bid me help his. Hey, by the way, I took 10 grand about Bitcoin. Yeah, right. Right. Like, I just don't know. I just don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:26 If you hire somebody who's ever, especially if some, I'm assuming if this guy's teaching Olympic lifts, he probably know, I mean, I don't even like to teach Olympic lifts because I don't think for a person. Olympic lifting trainers tend to be really good. Yeah, I mean, and really good with like, we've talked about programming.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Like, so he probably has a vision in mind. I'm trying to get this girl really good at, you know, these lifts right here. And so anything she could do outside of that could totally fuck up that process. So, you know, if I ever had, remember the clients used to do is to piss me off. Like, if I had, they trained with me and then I catch them in the gym like an hour later or something, doing more exercises. And they would be like, they think it's like extra credit. It's going to do that. Or they
Starting point is 00:48:01 because they didn't feel so enough. Yeah, they get so enough for sweat enough. So they assume that they could have done more. And it's like, that's not good programming. Good programming isn't leave you crippled all the time or hurting or so early time. Good programming, you should see progress and actually not feel all that. Okay, now, now be honest here, because I know early versions of early trainers
Starting point is 00:48:23 that we were, there were definitely mistakes we made. And there's a lot of ego when you're an early trainer. Did you guys ever get the client who always complained about not getting sore, so you said, all right. So you just blasted. I'll take you to a workout show you how to start. Yeah, I would do it as a teacher lesson, but it would never be, I would never fall prey to getting, or fall in that trap as a coach thinking that I need to compete with other coaches that are willing to get you sore. I'd explain to them, listen, if you just want to get sore, yeah, you don't get a trainer at all. You don't you don't just go
Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, and go over your head against the wall. You get really sore. Whatever you want But yeah, good and a good program is taking into consideration your rest days and the other days You start throwing things in there and you you screw up a good program So yeah, I mean, I would I would say stick with what this guy is probably teaching you, but then absolutely prime, which I think is a great primer prime pro, which are assessment and mobility tools. You add that to anything. Yeah, it's designed to compliment anybody's workout.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Our next color is Gunner from Washington. What's up, Gunner? How can we help you? How's it going? I had a hernia surgery about a year ago. I was cleared to exercise. I've been exercising since. I'm running anabolic right now
Starting point is 00:49:31 and I plan to run aesthetic after that at both those programs and squats and dead lifts are very prominent in that program. And when I do those, I notice flare ups like where I had that surgery at. I'm kind of pretty itchy there for a couple of days. Just kind of unnecessary pain in that area. I think it's due to the big load, kind of with weight in those exercises, and I'm curious what you guys would recommend switching out for those two.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Yeah, okay, so you don't want to mess with hernia surgery. If that happens, yeah, that tears again. It's gonna be, I'm sure the recovery was probably a pain in the butt and it took a while, so. That being said, we don't need to abandon the surgery. No, and here's a deal, this is somewhere where I would, if you were my client, I'd have you go back to the doctor
Starting point is 00:50:26 and I would talk to them and get their clearance on what you can and can't do. Because you're feeling something post-exercise, that tells me that either the way you're bracing or maybe even the way that the procedure was done to repair your hernia. Did they add any mesh material or did they just sew up what was open?
Starting point is 00:50:46 Yeah, they did add mesh. And when I exercise now, like I've been doing, well, I've been doing, I'm about halfway through Annabelle, I've been doing Bulgarian split squats with like lighter weight and kind of doing time under tension. And then I did like kettlebell, Romanian deadlift yesterday. Okay. And no pain. like kettlebell, Romanian deadlift yesterday. And no pain.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Yeah, good call. Yeah, and again, check with your doctor because sometimes the itchiness is literally where the mesh attaches to the muscle. And it could be just part of the healing process. Things are moving, not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm not a doctor and I would clear that with your doctor because if it tears again, the second time around is going to be
Starting point is 00:51:30 worse than the first time around. This is not something you want to mess around with. So I'm with Sal, obviously doctor stuff first, but then I also wouldn't abandon the movements. I would just lighten the load and slow down the tempo and really concentrate on bracing my core and keep in my spine nice and neutral through the movement and just down the tempo and really concentrate on bracing my core and keeping my spine nice and neutral through the movement and just master the technique of the movement and don't even though even if you're following something like anabolic which I know is a strength focus first phase, you know, don't worry about always loading the bar more and more weight, get more into perfecting the movement. I love your decision to go to the Bulgarian split squats.
Starting point is 00:52:07 I think that was a great call. But there's just so much value in the squat and the deadlift. And we don't want to, because basically if we say you're going to move away from it now, or we're just going to accept for the rest of your life, you'll never be able to squat or deadlift again. It's like, I don't think you want that. I don't want that for you.
Starting point is 00:52:24 And so let's first get some clearance from the doctor to make sure we're all good to go, but then let's just start from the ground up and move real slow. Yeah, just keep that load way down until you know, for sure. You can feel when it's healed up and things are sort of operating back to normal. And so, like the Bulgarian split squats and kind of doing the unilateral type training is going to benefit you quite a bit. You're still going to build muscle and you're still going to build a lot more stability and support for when you feel like you're now ready to then start stacking the load on.
Starting point is 00:52:58 So there's nothing wrong with staying in that type of mentality for a while. Yeah, and you might be surprised, like you might go to the doctor and the doctor might say, oh, well, that's normal, where we attached the mesh to the muscle. To start to issue and stuff. Scar tissue is changing and growing and, you know, not growing, excuse me, stretching. And that's just a normal process of, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:17 your body adapting to this particular procedure. So they might just say that to you. So, but nonetheless, get clearance. I've worked with people who've re-injured a hernia, and I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't wanna do that. It's not worth it. Okay, great, thanks guys.
Starting point is 00:53:33 No problem, got her some. I know a guy that had, he kept re-injuring a hernia, and obviously your gut starts to poke through the hole, and he would push it back in with his hand. Anyway, it got so bad, it pinched off a piece of his, I guess, his intestine which died. He had to go and get it removed. Yeah, oh, hernias can be really bad.
Starting point is 00:53:52 They can be really, really bad things. It's serious. Yeah, to the point where they can become almost life threatening, or you just keep re-enjuring this area and then you're left with this kind of permanent issue. And it's such a, like, a weak link right there. Like, it's susceptible to, I mean, it's easily, like, torn once it's done at once. So it's like, it's just a like a weak link right there. Like it's susceptible to, I mean,
Starting point is 00:54:05 it's easily like torn once it's done it once. So it's like it's just one of those things. You want to make sure it's really healed up before you start adding the intensity back. Now, given, say the doctor does clear him and he's fine. This is an example though of why I would not want to abandon those movements. It's just, and this is where you can play with things like
Starting point is 00:54:22 tempo and isometrics. Like, no, I mean, nothing stops you from, movements. And this is where you can play with things like tempo and isometrics. Nothing stops you from, obviously he does normal movements getting up and out of a chair and stuff like that. And so load the bar really, really light and pause at the bottom and pause midway through the movement and grip the floor and then squeeze and contract at the end and slow it way down on the centric portion of the exercise. So lots of different ways for you to play with it. And then unilateral, like Justin was alluding to, I mean, do some single leg deadlifts and
Starting point is 00:54:56 get really good at that and perfect the movement. We're always still hung up on moving weight on the bar as our sign of we're getting better and stronger. It's like you absolutely do not always need to do that. And here's a perfect example of somebody who, instead of us, like because the natural thing that someone at 24 wants to do is go like, okay, should I just stop squatting and then go leg press really heavy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:18 You know, because I feel okay leg pressing. So let's go stack six by the way, the leg press would be the worst possible. Well, I mean, that's well they would think though, right? I mean, that's a client with the or go to some machine lag extension stack the plates on there. It's just like we want to just go heavy and do something that we feel safe for doing. It's like, no, what you what we should do is just really lighten the load in those movements because, you know, being able to hinge at the hip, you know, and squat down,
Starting point is 00:55:42 parallel or fundamental movement. Yeah, we don't add a 24. I don't want to give up on you having that. Our next color is Rebecca from Texas. Hey, Rebecca, how can we help you? Hi, so I graduated high school this year, but I've struggled with like eating disorder since I was like in seventh grade.
Starting point is 00:56:00 And at this point now, I've been trying to like recover my period. And I started lifting and found mine pump and that's kind of helped me through my recovery process. I do work with a dietician and a therapist, but from consuming your videos and other content, I've realized that like, chasing health and will help me in the long run. I've been doing MAP Santa Ballock for like a while and I had DMed you sell like a while ago after I started doing performance and you had mentioned that doing MAP Santa Ballock would be better for balancing my hormones and so I went back to that but I still really haven't seen any progress.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I've been working on lowering my steps. So I was averaging about 25,000 a day ish, and I've gotten down to 13,000, and I'm still trying to lower it from there. But I was wondering if you'll have any suggestions if I should like cut down on exercises that so like I Thought maybe going down to two days a week, but like lifting has really helped me in my recovery process So I'm kind of like stuck on what to do. Yeah, what are you doing the the 25,000 steps? You just naturally get into that campus walking around campus or something. What's that? So I'm just naturally like I like to move around a lot and also just being like anxious minded.
Starting point is 00:57:32 I do work with horses like five times a week, but that usually gets me like around 3,000 steps. So. Okay. First off, I want to commend you on your your courage. It's really hard to talk about what you're talking about, especially on a podcast. Self-awareness. And yeah, and the fact that you're working with a dietician and a therapist, you are on the right track. Now, I know you're saying you're not seeing any progress. So I'm assuming you're talking about maybe physical progress
Starting point is 00:58:02 or even just the progress with your period. But I'd like to ask you a couple of the questions Rebecca. Do you feel any different or has your relationship with your body and with exercise has that changed? And do you feel any changes in your energy levels? I have definitely felt better energy level wise. I know I should probably like increase the amount of food I intake, but I'm still struggling with the whole guilt thing, but I was that person who used to do hit, but then it turned into more like while I was resting, I was still jogging in place. And I think my relationship with food has been a little bit better because
Starting point is 00:58:49 now, like, y'all really encouraged me to eat white rice because I was afraid to do that, but then on the days I'd work out, I started consuming that. So I was like, oh, this would be a quick absorbing carver. I can't think of the word, but like before like a workout and stuff like that. So. Yeah, okay. So you are progressing.
Starting point is 00:59:11 You are doing a great job. And I want you to understand a few things. Let's start with the physical, okay. Let's just start with the physical body, which is different from the emotional and mental side, which is also something that you're working on. Because you have had a challenging relationship with food for a while,
Starting point is 00:59:30 it's gonna take a little while for your body to recognize what you're doing now as the new norm. Okay, so there's a bit of a memory that's leftover. You just gotta be patient and allow things to work and do it very slowly. But I want you to focus on how you feel, how you view yourself, your energy levels, and your relationship to exercise and to nutrition. If those are improving, you are on the right track.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I'm going to tell you something, and I promise this is going to happen, Rebecca. If you keep moving in that direction and just focus on those things, I just said, the physical will follow. It's a matter of time before the physical follows. I want you to take your focus off of the physical. I don't even want you to care about that. Care about the most important things for now. That will drive your physical success, believe it or not more, than if you focused on the physical progress type of goals.
Starting point is 01:00:24 I have two suggestions. Do you have the ability to extend your workout time as far as how long you're in the gym with Maps and a bulk or do you have a small window to work out? Right now that it's in the summer, it seems like I have quite a bit of flexibility, so I don't know what it will be like once I get off to college, but for right now, it seems like I have quite a bit of flexibility. So I don't know what it will be like once I get off to college, but for right now, it seems like I have a pretty flexible schedule. Okay, so one of the things I would, more than likely, even if you are falling in a ball,
Starting point is 01:00:56 and if you have a tendency to, you know, fly through the workout like Maps Head and then also work between sets, you probably even follow the rest period times in maps and a bulk really closely or keep it moving along. And I would actually push you in the other direction where I'd say, let's have like some three minute rests
Starting point is 01:01:12 in between exercises. And actually slow the workout down where maybe it takes 90 minutes to get all the way through the full and a bulk routine. And that's what I would try and stretch that out. So that's one suggestion that I would do with you. The other thing I would see if you would be interested in and try and get you to do is maybe two times a week if I can get you starting there with yoga, you know, where...
Starting point is 01:01:38 Yin yoga. Yes, it's very meditative. You're not trying to, you're not sweating in beacroom. You're not pushing real hard. It's just really, I mean, if you say you're anxious, I just think, and we're also trying to cut back a little bit on the crazy steps all the time. I think doing something that's working inward more
Starting point is 01:01:56 would be a really good, insana work would be fine too. So like, I would try and get you to schedule me two or three times a week where we're dedicating an hour to 90 minutes of something that's very slow, yeah, restorative and calming and introspective. So I think like the sauna or jacuzzi or some hot cold plunge stuff or yoga I think would be a great to add to what you're doing. Yen yoga is a phenomenal recommendation. I can't recommend that enough for you and it's going to be frustrating. So consider this is for sure going to happen. You're going
Starting point is 01:02:33 to go into a Yen yoga class and you're going to be frustrated because it's slow. You're going to power yoga version. Yeah, and they're making you sick and you're stuck with your thoughts, but that's exactly why it's so beneficial. And then with the long rest periods in between sets, try something like this. Is there something you can do in that three minute period that's calming to you? So I'll give you an example. Paul Chek is a good friend of ours. He's a I consider him to be the godfather of wellness.
Starting point is 01:03:00 And he would have people paint or draw. We have a video on YouTube. Yeah, in between sets. So fascinating. Yeah, and that's because it's a very calming kind of meditative practice. Find something like that for yourself. It might be reading, it might be writing in your journal,
Starting point is 01:03:15 something that has nothing to do with the workout. Something in between each set that is calming for you and focus on that, and I promise you, okay, I, this is 100%. If you do these things and you focus on the mental and emotional aspects of your health and you do those things consistently, the physical will follow, I promise you. If you focus on the physical right now, Rebecca,
Starting point is 01:03:38 and push the physical to try and get results, you're not gonna get either one of those things. So just, and I know right now you're listening to me and you're like, okay, I know, South said it, but I need you to trust what I'm saying. Give it a shot. Give it six months. Give it six months and watch what happens. You will blow yourself away at your body's potential.
Starting point is 01:03:55 If you do this the right way. And I ask where we are calorie wise right now, where we at calorie wise. Um, I think I'm around, uh, 2500. My diet tissue won't give me specifics, but like I, I am around 2,500. My diet tissue won't give me specifics, but I am at like, she says that I'm at a healthy weight for like, she's actually kind of confused why I haven't gotten my period because she's like, you're at a good weight, but she thinks I might have like more muscle mass than I realize, but of course, I'm like, I'm not lifting like really heavy weight
Starting point is 01:04:25 and like I'm not super muscular. So I have been doing anabolic, I'm actually in the strength phase right now. So would you say just keep doing the strength phase for like six months? No, I mean, I would go from phase one to phase two. You can still do phase three, but I would, you can go back and forth between phase one.
Starting point is 01:04:44 Yeah, I would cycle through the whole program, right? one, two, three, start over one, two, three, follow it the way it is. The only suggestion I would do as far as changing it would be, like I said, is to stretch out the rest periods. Yeah, and consider this. Okay, when it comes to, I know, you're waiting for your period, it will eventually, it should eventually happen. It takes times. But it's not just the, again, it's not just the physical. So your thoughts are real to your body,
Starting point is 01:05:09 your feelings are real to your body. So although physically you might check all the boxes, if you're still in that anxious state of mind, your body might not feel ready just yet. So. That's why the yoga thing I think is gonna be good. Yeah, just, don't even, I would just slow down and do those uncomfortable, what's for you? Uncomfortable is gonna be good. Yeah, just, just don't even, I would just slow down and do those uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:05:25 What's for you uncomfortable is gonna be sitting still with your thoughts. So focus on that work on that. Yen yoga was such a great, a great recommendation. And by the way, and that was my recommendation, but I also, there's, you know, to kind of South's point with the, the art thing, I, I actually as a, as a coach, if you were my client, I wouldn't mind you picking something that actually doesn't require the gym or isn't considered an exercise. Like, if you just paint it for an hour or two.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Like, if you have, I would try and find something, a hobby that you become very present in the moment and into and it relaxes you and it gives you fulfillment and joy. And that could be anything. It could be comic books, it could be fishing, it could be painting, it could be doing knitting, I mean yeah, there's a whole host of things
Starting point is 01:06:10 that I would like to see you do and I would make you do that as a client, I would schedule that in your week and I just think that there'd be tremendous benefit from it and yes, yoga is a good example. Now Rebecca, I'm gonna send you the Intuitive Nutrition Guide for free and I don't want it to, it's not going to replace anything that you're doing with your dietitian but there
Starting point is 01:06:28 are lots of segments in there that focus on improving your relationship to nutrition that I think you may benefit from. In fact, I'm only going to send it to you under one condition. I want you to promise me that you'll show your dietitian before you read it because I do want to make sure that I get their clearance first. Will you promise me that if I send it to you? Yeah, I've actually talked about y'all a lot to her and she could truly excited every time I tell her information
Starting point is 01:06:53 about what you say. So she'll be excited to see it. All right, so we'll send it over to you. Before you read it, send it to your dietician, say, hey, the guys at mine pump sent this to me, but they would like your approval before I go through it. Send it to her or him, have them take a look at it, and then if they say it's all good, then take a look.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Okay. All right, thanks for calling Rebecca. Oh, thank you. Oh, you know, stuff like that really warms me because I've worked with people like this, and especially at this age, really hard to come out of. I've got to love though that at this age, really hard to come out of. Gotta love, though, that her age to have the awareness and for her to be already aware, reached out,
Starting point is 01:07:31 have professionals that are helping her, listening to Mind Pump at that. I mean, for sure, she represents a very small percentage. We don't have a lot of people, under the age of 20, listening, and we were definitely 25 and above for most people listening to show. So I always get excited when I hear a younger person
Starting point is 01:07:47 that's into the show. And then someone who's been challenged as much as she has with the Canadian source in seventh grade. And that's, you know, to her period question, like, you know, even though she's got, her nutritionist knows she's got everything right. If she's been struggling with this in seventh grade, it takes a while sometimes.
Starting point is 01:08:01 And to your point, she also still could be causing internal stress because she's still anxious and she's still worried. Which I love the idea and it doesn't have to be yoga though I think yoga was a good recommendation. It could be anything that just relaxes her and calms her down. Yeah, and it is a very big deal what she's doing.
Starting point is 01:08:22 So I hope she lists this podcast and what we're saying afterwards because stick to it. You do in the right thing. And on the other end of this is tremendous personal growth. In fact, the best coaches and trainers I've ever worked with in my entire life. The ones that I learned from started here. They started here, they got through it.
Starting point is 01:08:42 And on the other end of it, they became tremendously effective at their jobs because they understood things from an angle that most of us will never get to. Our next caller is Andrew from New York. What's up, Andrew? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on, I really appreciate it. So basically my question is, I work a job where I work four doubles in a row, 3pm to 7am, 16 hour shifts, and then
Starting point is 01:09:07 I have eight days off in a row. Right now, I have still been going to the gym in between my doubles, because I feel like taking four days off in a row is a little bit awkward. So I was wondering if it would be beneficial on the four days where I'm doing doubles to still go to the gym and do maybe like a lighter Workout or if it would be more beneficial as far as getting a couple extra hours of sleep in between doubles and skipping four days off and a row completely Yeah, yeah, nothing wrong with taking 40 days off a week Not a not or in a row not a big In fact, because of the hours that you're working, it's better to do that than it is to work out. But I will say this, you started 3 p.m. you said.
Starting point is 01:09:52 I would try to do some kind of outdoor walking where you get sunlight exposure earlier in the day. You're gonna need that to help with your circadian rhythm because that's really what's getting hammered with this kind of schedule. But I wouldn't do any workouts on those days. I would really focus all your attention on getting good sleep because I don't know if you've seen the statistics
Starting point is 01:10:14 on the health effects of those types of shifts that they have on the body. I mean, it's pretty bad. It's like smoking cigarettes every single day, throwing more stress on top of that with exercise isn't gonna get you a better progress. So get some sun exposure, do some walking, leave the workouts for the eight days off in a row that you have when you can get better sleep. You know you active that whole time in your job? Like are you moving around quite a bit? No, it's actually a pretty sedentary job. For the most
Starting point is 01:10:41 part, I'm in corrections, stay corrections. So on top of the 16 hour shifts, it might not always be physically taxing, but at least from the mental aspect, you're always on edge. So. And I mean, is there limited options in terms of you being able to get up and move or break that up in chunks throughout your day,
Starting point is 01:11:04 just doing like basic, you know, movements and walks and squats or something that you could do in terms of like, you know, around your desk. Yeah, so, I mean, for all 16 hours, I have to get up once every half an hour and do around wherever I am. So, like, it's not like I'm just sitting for 16 hours. I have the freedom pretty much whenever I want to get up and walk around do whatever. Well, I have a couple things. So the one, I think I wouldn't worry about taking the days
Starting point is 01:11:31 off. And I don't know, did you hear Andrew the episode where I referenced the study that Lane Norton posted about about a month ago? Did you hear that episode? Yeah, because I follow Lane as well. And I think it was a couple of weeks ago that I think it was like a month long study or something like that where they had two different groups and there wasn't really much difference at all. That's right. There wasn't at all. In fact, I believe if anything, the group that took the week off every three weeks was
Starting point is 01:12:00 as good or superior at the end of the, I think it was a 16 week study. And you had a group, one group that they trained consistently three weeks and they took a whole week off than three weeks Consisting a whole week off compared to a group who never took any time off trained consistent the entire time equivalent results Yeah, so And that high highlights just the taken seven days off in a row does not set you as far back as you would think and that's not taking into seven days off in a row, it does not set you as far back as you would think. And that's not taking into consideration your job. So your job that you're working 16 hours, those days off are even more beneficial for you because of the points that the guys are bringing up with stress.
Starting point is 01:12:35 Yeah. And again, to kind of counter some of these postural positions, like that's why I was trying to get out. If you have opportunities to get up and do some mobility drills or do things where you're addressing those forward shoulder, the foreneck, to be able to get your spine and get alignment and just get up against the wall, do a wall test, practicing those things, making ritual out of it will help to benefit you going back into your workouts the next week. So that's where the other point that I was going to make was,
Starting point is 01:13:05 I don't know if you have the flexibility for like an hour lunch or whatever, but and if you have somewhere at work where you could hook up like a suspension trainer, I would totally, if you're a client of mine, I would totally let you do one to two days during your workshops for a 20 minute, 30 minute, you know, suspension trainer type of workout. And I would, I'd probably, I'd probably modify it and get it around posture for a 20 minute, 30 minute suspension trainer type of workout. And I would, I'd probably modify it and geared around posture stuff. So I'd be doing like W's
Starting point is 01:13:30 and maybe some rotational exercises in there. But a suspension trainer, 20, 30 minutes, two of the days of the days that you're working the four days. And then most of you're like heavy weight training stuff. Just keep sending a signal to keep building muscles. Yeah, but honestly, if you focus on sleep and during that time, that'll give you the biggest benefit.
Starting point is 01:13:51 So like I said, get sunlight before you go to work, make sure you get some good sun exposure. And then two hours before, because I'm assuming you go to bed when you get home and get some sleep, I would two hours before your shift ends, put on some blue light blocking glasses, get your brain kind of ready, and then make sure you're room,
Starting point is 01:14:07 where you go to sleep is cool and blacked out, so that you can get some good rest, because I'm telling you, if you look at the studies on the effects that these types of shifts have on people's bodies, it can be very detrimental. So I'm very cautious to throw any more stress at your body during these periods of time. Yeah, because I know you had mentioned earlier and about the circadian rhythm. That's another thing that's hard about it too because I go from the four days of doing overnight shifts and then I have eight days off.
Starting point is 01:14:35 So like the first couple days where I'm trying to transition back to going to bed at like 10 to 11 o'clock at night like I barely get any sleep on those nights because it's going back and forth all the time. Yeah. Focus on sleep, get that sunlight during the day, wear those blue light blocking glasses. That's going to give you the biggest impact. Okay. Thanks a lot. No problem, man. I definitely, I definitely agree. We're all on the same page that well, dude, he's not only, he's not only doing those shifts. Did you hear what he said? He tries to go back. He's literally jet lagging himself. Yeah, I know. That is really, and this is where all these kind of little biohacking interventions do make sense because it's such an extreme
Starting point is 01:15:10 schedule that it does take a toll on your body. Oh yeah, I mean, imagine that. You're up from 3 p.m. to 7 a.m., four days in a row, and then you're trying to tray or switch your body to go into bed at 11 o'clock at night. He's literally jet lagged every single week doing this. So sleep has got to be for a hundred percent, I agree that becomes the number one priority
Starting point is 01:15:32 and we have to address that first before I even consider letting you do anything in addition to that on those work days. But if I can include some Ws and some rotational stuff with the suspension trainer or some isometric stuff that's 20 minutes or 30 minutes on a stretch break. You gotta, because we gotta think too, him being sedentary all day long sitting at a desk.
Starting point is 01:15:54 Yeah, your body just forms into that. And like it becomes, it wants to stay in that state. So more as it to break it up, yeah. To get out of that state, I think is, right. Like I definitely wouldn't give him an hour break, go hammer the weights at the gym or what about that. Like I'm not trying to get after it. Just stimulate the muscles.
Starting point is 01:16:09 That's right. And I think he'll actually see an increase in energy throughout his day from doing something like that, plus counter the rolled shoulders and sitting forward all day long. So I do see some benefit to that. But of course, I would, as a coach who's coaching, you know, I would want like detail like how hard are you training? What are you doing? And
Starting point is 01:16:30 less is more with someone like that if we're going to be doing it on the work days. But yeah, I addressed sleep first. I love the recommendation to with the getting out, you know, blue blockers, blue blockers. And this is where all the biohacking stuff, you know, totally come in hand. You've light would help. Yep. Our next color is Sean from the UK. Hey Sean. How can we help you? Hi guys, thanks for having me on and Yes, I would just wondering is there a downside to doing maybe a full body split one week followed by push full legs the week after and then just sort of continuing in that rotation Not really I'd say the only drawback from doing such a, you know, back and forth switch is it's hard to identify which one's working better
Starting point is 01:17:12 for your body. So I would typically recommend sticking to one for four weeks, switching to the other one for four weeks just to see which one works better for you. But if you're pretty advanced, you know your body and you've trained this way before, not really, there's not really, I mean, as long as the volume is equated throughout the whole week, it's not going to, it shouldn't make that big of a difference.
Starting point is 01:17:32 Not to mention there's some consistency even in that, right? Right. Because he's doing the same rotation. So you still can get some feedback on where you're probably feeling better or making progress versus, I think we're, I think we talk mostly about this not being ideal is the people that change every workout. Yeah right. So you're full body one day then you're splitting up another day you're doing high reps, low reps, your like every workout is constantly changing. I think it's really hard to measure. But if you're being consistent in one
Starting point is 01:18:00 week and you're doing a body part split one week and then you're doing a push pull thing the next and then you're always kind of going through that rotation. I think that's okay. I think there's nothing wrong with that, especially if you've been lifting for a long time. Cool. Yeah, that's really helpful. So I will think about that because I'm trying to be as consistent as possible. And I wouldn't be like, because I tend to do a bit more volume on the push pull legs week, rather than I do more sort of super sets I guess on push pull legs and then how long you've been training Sean? So I'd probably about four years but I was pretty consistent before the first lockdown
Starting point is 01:18:37 and then the gym's closed and it sort of turned everything upside down but I've been backing for a few months and I think I've got over the hump of not being inconsistent. Now, you know, I mean, have you noticed the one thing that I noticed when I was doing the split routine more often I would overreach on leg day specifically too? So is that ever been an issue or is it pretty much, you know, you get a nice dose of intensity. Yeah, I stay, it's definitely a nice dose. That's why, because from listening to you guys, it was all I do mention the full
Starting point is 01:19:11 bodies, the best way to go, really. But I really, I really like doing a leg day, I like, I enjoy the feeling of really burning the legs out and the working then muscle groups together on push day, I really enjoy that as well. So that was the main thing behind it because I'm really enjoying push pull legs, but I want to get the best benefits by doing full body like you guys say to do. Now Sean, have you in your four years of lifting, have you ever followed a routine like to the tee, have you ever purchased a program or ran like somebody else's like a coach riding a program for you?
Starting point is 01:19:43 No, I've never purchased one. I've always just I've always really done post pull-lights and just scoured the internet and found and sort of made my own routines off from what I found on Google basically. So I mean if you'd be open to it I would love to see you follow one program all the way through and what I normally tell someone like you who's got experience and kind of knows what they like is like, listen, what I will tell you is that you can most certainly manipulate and change things, but if you just give me those three months, let me program your training for three months,
Starting point is 01:20:16 follow it to a tee, trust the process, and just let me see what happens from you. I actually think that you would see some benefit from just sticking to a routine that somebody who's non-biased has created for you because we all have our tendencies. And you know this because you listen to the show and we all talk about this,
Starting point is 01:20:37 and we're still guilty of this, to this day, with all of our experience of coaching and training and writing programs. I mean, there's never a shortage of what I should do in the gym. I still have tendencies. I still have exercises I like to do, rep ranges, body parts, split specific ways. And I always kind of gravitate back to those things. And one of the nice things about having somebody who's created a program for you is
Starting point is 01:21:02 it's you're not allowing that to creep in your decision on how you train, you're following a program. And if it's written very well by somebody who knows what they're doing, it should have some beautiful progress from it. So I would challenge you to try that at least once in your life where you stick to something and the guys would be more than willing
Starting point is 01:21:21 to probably send you one for free to try out. Yeah, let's shoot them over, maybe, maps aesthetic. Yeah, how does that sound, Sean? Oh, that'd be brilliant. Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably something that maybe I'm looking for, maybe then just to something that's a long program that I can stick to. And yeah, that'll be brilliant.
Starting point is 01:21:37 Thanks guys. Yeah, no problem. Well, by the way, I have no idea where leads is in England. I know you told Doug earlier, how close is that to Birmingham, is that far? To an off, I'll drive maybe. Okay, so I was just the reason why I'm asking, that's where Dore and Yates is Jim, as he's obviously the best English bodybuilder of all time.
Starting point is 01:21:56 So I want to know if you ever visited his gym. Oh no, no, I'm not going there. Yeah, go over there, take some pictures in DM me. I would love to check out his gym. Well, follow the program, Sean. Trust the process, follow it to a T, resist the temptation to want to change him and manipulate it just because you know what you're doing
Starting point is 01:22:15 and you've been doing this for a while. Trust the process and then circle back with us and tell me what you learned, what you felt about that whole process. So we're gonna send it to you for free, so you got it. Okay, so there's no excuses why you shouldn't do it, not just trust the process and stick with it, all right? That's brilliant, yeah, I'll get back in touch
Starting point is 01:22:35 when something else, I'll give you an update off with, and I appreciate it. I know at the end. Thanks, Sean. Thanks, guys, see ya later. Thank you. You know, some of my favorite listeners come from England. I just, I think they're actually, well, no,
Starting point is 01:22:48 it's not just because they accent, they're sent a humor. Yeah, it's just, so it's typically, you know, it's just, you know, kind of matches ours, but yeah, I've wanted to go there so bad just to visit Doreen Yates' basement gym. He's got like this old basement gym. You watch in these videos that are just, it's like beautiful.
Starting point is 01:23:03 It's glorious. It's that, where are we going? Yeah, It's glorious. That's where you would go. But yeah, what you said Adam's perfect because if he hasn't followed a structured program, he's gonna be, like you said, you'll be following into his old tendencies and never really potentially seeing his full potential. Well, I can say that so confidently
Starting point is 01:23:17 because this is still my fault today. It's everybody. Yeah, 20 years in this game, I think, I think I'm pretty good at writing programs, know what I'm doing, but I tell you right now if I follow ours and stick with it, I always progress. And if it accelerates the results, it does. I mean, if it's written well with that intention, it's because it's non-biased. You're not, there's no emotion in it.
Starting point is 01:23:39 We sat down, we wrote it with the intention of, this is the most ideal way for this avatar that we're building in our mind to follow a program So when someone goes in you just don't think that we feel like this today like I don't really feel like Turkish kid ups that you know saying and you start to model for it. Yeah, and is that okay? Sure, you're fine. It's not guy. It's not gonna hurt you and you're still gonna be helpful longevity Right. It's great But yeah, if you specifically want to change your body, that's right. That's right. An amazing physique. You want to do a legit program. Exactly. Look, if you lack our information, you got to head over to MindPumpFree.com. We have lots
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